April 3, 2025 • 56 mins
Air Date - 02 April 2025
How may trusting our Sixth Sense help us conquer fear and navigate life’s challenges. My guest this week on Destination Unlimited, acclaimed spiritual medium and popular author Carole J. Obley, says this may be achieved by developing The Art of Sensing. Carole has been the bridge between heaven and earth in more than 15,000 group and individual readings. Names, descriptions of loved ones’ personalities, and uncanny, validating details— as well as grief support and teachings about the afterlife— are typically delivered in her sessions. An advanced intuitive, Carole also regularly delivers specific, practical guidance in readings about a wide variety of life issues, including relationships, business and spirituality. She is recognized by clients for bringing compassion and integrity to mediumship via her sincere intent to be of service to others.
Her website is http://Soulvisions.net, and she joins me this week to share her new book, The Art of Sensing: A Guide for Staying True to Your Soul’s Journey through Challenging Times.
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How may trusting our Sixth Sense help us conquer fear and navigate life’s challenges. My guest this week on Destination Unlimited, acclaimed spiritual medium and popular author Carole J. Obley, says this may be achieved by developing The Art of Sensing. Carole has been the bridge between heaven and earth in more than 15,000 group and individual readings. Names, descriptions of loved ones’ personalities, and uncanny, validating details— as well as grief support and teachings about the afterlife— are typically delivered in her sessions. An advanced intuitive, Carole also regularly delivers specific, practical guidance in readings about a wide variety of life issues, including relationships, business and spirituality. She is recognized by clients for bringing compassion and integrity to mediumship via her sincere intent to be of service to others.
Her website is http://Soulvisions.net, and she joins me this week to share her new book, The Art of Sensing: A Guide for Staying True to Your Soul’s Journey through Challenging Times.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
My name is Victor Furman. Some call me the Voice.
I've always been fascinated with human nature, spirituality, science and
the crossroads at which they meet. Join me now and
we will explore these topics and so much more with
fascinating guests, authors and experts who will guide us to
(00:28):
Destination Unlimited. How may trusting our sixth sense help us
conquer fear and navigate life's challenges? My guest this week
on Destination Unlimited, acclaimed spiritual medium and popular author Carol
(00:50):
j Obli says this may be achieved by developing the
art of sensing. Carol has been the bridge between heaven
and Earth in more than fifteen one thousand group and
individual readings. Names, descriptions of loved one's personalities and uncanny
validating details, as well as grief support and teachings about
(01:12):
the afterlife, are typically delivered in her sessions. An advanced intuitive,
Carol also regularly delivers specific, practical guidance in readings about
a wide variety of life issues, including relationships, business, and spirituality.
She is recognized by clients for bringing compassion and integrity
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to mediumship via her sincere intent to be of service
to others. Her website is soul Visions dot net, and
she joins me this week to share her new book,
The Art of Sensing, A Guide for staying true to
your Soul's Journey through Challenging Times. Please join me in
welcoming to Destination Unlimited, Carol Obly Welcome.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Carol, Hi Victor. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
So nice to have you back on again. When we
last spoke about a year ago of February of twenty
twenty four, and today we're going to be talking about
your brand new book, The Art of Sensing, A Guide
for staying true to your Soul's Journey through Challenging Times.
But first, for listeners meeting you for the first time,
please share your early path.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah. I'm a professional medium. I've done that for about
thirty years, and I fell onto the path. Although I
believe in my heart, I know in my soul that
it was a calling and it came about through a
very catastrophic event. That event was a fire in the
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business I was running at the time, and it took
me completely out of that old life. And so about
a year later I was called to a little metaphysical
center in the small town where I live and I
started taking classes there one thing after another, went to
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Delphi University, which is near Atlanta, Georgia, and continued to
do readings that I started there, much to my surprise,
and today I think I have on my website about
fifteen thousand readings. It's probably more than that. I've also
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taught many workshops, a lot of them through Lilydale, a
spiritualist community in New York, both in person and through Zoom.
I've taught my own workshops, you know, with my own people,
and written This is my fifth book, and I have
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one in the pipeline as we speak. So that's the
synopsis of thirty years of working with spirit.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Now, as a child, did you have any cognition whatsoever
of these gifts?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
None whatsoever in fact, And I wrote about this in
Wisdom from the Spirit World. That's the book just previous
to the Art of Sensing that. I was a child
who was very fearful and particularly of death, ironically, very fearful.
And I recount the story of going to see my
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first grandparents who passed. I was only ten years old
at the time, and I remember being terrified of seeing
his body in the casket and having nightmares about it
and Interestingly though, I was always very fascinated and intrigued
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about what happens to us when we die. And one
of the stories I recount also is walking through a
graveyard at a very young age with my paternal grandmother
holding her hand. Was a Catholic matery, so there were
photographs under glass on some of the gravestones. Some of
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these gravestones were children, and I remember as a child
standing there gazing at that photo and wondering, where is
that child now? And why would God take a child?
Why would a child die? And does that soul know
that I'm standing here on their grave looking at their photo. So,
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at this very young age, I was very precocious, very inquisitive,
drove my parents crazy with asking why, why this? Why that.
I was raised in traditional religion, in a Christian Church,
and you know, it never felt complete to me. And
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although I really got into scriptures and so forth, I
was never I ever felt spirit in my rational mind
or you know, just studying scripture. And so then I
got into a whole bunch of trouble during my late
teens and early twenties with drugs and alcohol, acting very crazy,
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and my spirituality really began to blossom at the age
of twenty five when I went into twelve step recovery,
and so I got my hands on every spiritual book,
every twelve step recovery book. I could get women's studies,
all sorts of things, nonfiction books to try to understand
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who I was, because I really had no idea. So
unlike some mediums, I was not aware of the ability
of the sensitivity, although I know I had it because
I've studied astrology in depth. I offer astrology readings to
people basically on the movement of the soul. It's not
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mundane astrology, it's spiritual astrology and particularly karmaic astrology. So
I've studied my birth chart in and out, and I
see in my birth chart that I was born with
the sensitivity, but the fear, I believe, really kept it paralyzed.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Now you are an evidential medium. How do you define
evidential mediumship?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
It is mediumship meaning being a conduit or bridge between
the fiscal world and the non fiscal world or what
is called the spirit world, and presenting facts of the
spirit communicator who is blending with me, their soul, blending
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with mind. That's how mediumship is accomplished. Otherwise it would
not be possible, and presenting those facts during the reading
to you know, create the identity of the communicating spirit,
such as names, occupation, memories, you know, validating personality characteristics.
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All of that can be considered evidentiary mediumship.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Now, as you just mentioned before, you since after doing
your astrology and looking at your karmic background, that you
were actually born with this is it something that you
have to be born with or can others learn this?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I believe I'm from the school of a medium is
born and really not made. And in no way am
I suggesting that people can't develop intuitively. In fact, I've
taught intuitive development. I've taught mediumship development to people. But
I really believe it's sort of you know, I use
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the analogy of being an artist or a musician or
an athlete, that we come into a fiscal life with
certain predispositions and we've probably done those things in other
experiences here on the earth, and so it doesn't make
one superior in any way. In fact, you'll never hear
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me use the word gifted about myself. I believe it's
a skill that is developed, and it takes many years
to develop, but it's something that I believe the soul
chooses before coming here for purposes of service and importantly,
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its own evolution.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
In addition to the mediumship work. Have you had any
paranormal experiences?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Many? Many, and those go back thirty years that I've had.
One probably one of the most remarkable ones is I
was living in an older home and I was standing
at my bathroom sink one evening brushing my teeth. It
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was early in the evening, it was only about seven
thirty eight o'clock, and all of a sudden, as I'm
standing there, a huge cloud of ectoplasm or you know,
spiritual material kind of looks like smoke. It's white and diffuse.
It came out of the wall in front of me,
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and I took a few steps backwards and as I watched,
it dissipated back into the wall. Now this was just
one experience in this particular house. The ectoplasm would appear
in different places is throughout the house. I had dogs
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at the time, and it would sort of hover over
top of my dogs. They had dog beds on the
floor and this actoplasm would kind of hover over them.
And the other some other things that happened in that
house where I would get this strong smell of alcohol,
and I have not drank alcohol in forty one years,
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so nobody and nobody was drinking in my house. And
I would smell cigarette smoke as well, so it was
very strange. I was really frightened by it, and I
talked to this entity and said, please, don't you know,
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please don't do this, You're frightening me, and it stopped.
So's there's many others. Those are probably the most remarkedable
that I could tell you about in this segment. But
there are things that people would think I was probably
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making them up, but certainly I'm one of the more
grounded people. You know. In addition to be highly intuitive
and metimistic, I'm very grounded as well. And these were
very real experiences.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I don't recall if I shared this with you on
your previous appearances with me on these shows, but when
I was six and a half years old, I was
very close with my paternal grandfather, who was well into
his eighties at the time. And I was in my
room one day and I was reading a book or
reading something, looking at something, and I looked up my
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grandfather was standing there, and I said Grandpa, when did
you come in? And he just smiled at me. There
was no answer, and he sort of dissolved and disappeared,
and I went into the living room and I said
to my parents, Grandpa was here, and they were a
little upset by that because he had been at the
hospital in the hospital at the time, and within a
couple of minutes the phone rang with word of his passing.
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So that was probably my first recognition of the essence
of spirit and the gift of spirit. And I was
grateful that he came to me at that point and
gave me that opening, and it also showed his love
for me.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
It certainly did. And you know, I've had all clients
over the years who have relayed similar stories, and my
sense is it's that soul coming to say goodbye temporarily
because we know that the bond of love is eternal
and it's forever. It will never diminish through death. So
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you know, I believe that it is a way, and
that's a real blessing for that to happen for you.
It's a way of the soul saying, you know, goodbye,
but we're still acted I'll see you the next time around.
And I can imagine your parents were probably upset.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Absolutely many of the things that I shared when I
was a child were labeled as overactive imagination until my
mother a couple of years before she transitioned. I took
her out to lunch one day and the topic came up,
and I said, you never had any strange experiences, did you?
She said, no, except for that time, and she started
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all of these things, which confirmed for me everything that
I had known throughout our lives. So I'm grateful that
she gave me that gift prior to her transition. How
do you define the sixth sense?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Well, it's intuition, and we have our five physical senses,
of course, and we need those to navigate here on
the physical plane. Of course, there are people who are
mine as some of those deaf, and interestingly, I find,
you know the stories I've read over the years, those
people become particularly intuitive because they're missing, you know, some
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of the physical senses, so they become more tuned in
to the intuitive sense. Now, in the art of sensing,
I do distinguish between a sort of garden variety intuition,
in other words, that gut knowing something's going to happen,
or don't get on that particular road, or I feel
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strange I'm around this particular person, or I don't trust
that person. That's what I would call sort of a
garden variety, not to diminish it at all. It's very
useful and protective. But spiritual intuition is listening to and
importantly trusting and following the voice of our own soul,
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and by doing so we can navigate through challenges in life,
which almost all of us have at one point or another,
more successfully, more easily, and with much less suffering. So
that's the difference between those two.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Is this something that you would talk we had talked
about before being born with a gift or developing it?
Is this something that anyone can develop the intuition?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Spiritual intuition, I believe so, and one of the most
important tools. And by the way, in the art of sensing.
I give practical exercises in most of the chapters so
that people These are simple things that don't cost any money.
You can do at home or go out in nature
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in your own backyard and do to become closer to
that inner voice, the inner landscape. The first part of
the book I talk about there are sections the inner
landscape and then the outer landscape. The inner landscape being
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everything that's internal to the individual, particularly the soul, the
divinity of the soul, the sacredness of the soul, and
importantly the whispering of the soul, which is spiritual intuition.
The outer landscape is anything external to the individual and society, culture,
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other people, things, places. All of that is the outer landscape,
and all of that will invariably change, it's just a
matter of time. What will not change is the inner landscape,
as far as the perfection and the divinity of the soul.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
The last time you were on, as we had mentioned,
you shared your book Wisdom from the Spirit World. Life
teaching is on love, forgiveness, purpose and finding peace. What
did you offer readers in that book?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Wisdom from the Spirit World was a compilation of lessons
I believe there are nine or ten of them that I,
over thirty years of giving readings at that point twenty
five years, had gleaned from thousands of sessions, and so
I organized them in the second section of the book
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of what I personally have learned and observed from the
communication from the Spirit world from spirit communicators, and for example,
the first one is, and it seems rather obvious, there
is an afterlife, and so you know, because there are
people who don't believe that anything. You know, we just
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when we die, our consciousness dies. So that's a very
fundamental lesson that And how is that proven? Really well,
in my opinion and my experience, by my knowledge given
to me by the spirit communicator. Things that are very
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specific that I would have no way of knowing, that
are very specific to that soul. And you know, how
would I know that well, because that intelligence of that
soul lives on after leaving the fiscal body. So that's
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one of the lessons. Another would be forgiveness is the
cornerstone of all healing. Forgiveness meaning again, spiritual forgiveness. What
is it, Well, it's a conscious decision to not carry
the past and to be present in right here, right now.
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And I can't tell you how many readings I've done
in which a spirit communicator will come through and apologize
for their behavior, for the way they treated the recipient
of the reading, for you know, being maybe a workaholic,
not spending enough time with the family. And there are
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many others. So those are just two of the lessons
that the spirit world has really communicated. Is forgiveness as
in the book, is.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Forgiveness for the forgiven or the forgiver?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Well, I feel it's for both. I once heard someone
say forgiveness is probably the most selfish act that you
will ever do, meaning it is for you. Now. Do
I think that that has no effect on the individual
or individuals who are being forgiven? No, I think it
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does have an effect because we are unified at the
spiritual level. So anything that I do and put into
that greater mind of spirit or the collective consciousness will
have a ripple effect. That's what my spirit guides call it,
is the ripple effect, much like throwing a pebble into
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a pond and you see those concentric circles go out.
And so that's what our thoughts are like. And so
when we let go of the past, we release ourselves
from that burden. It's often an artificial burden, because you know,
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I'm a student of a course in miracles, and of
course in miracles talks about that the assault or affront
or whatever you want to call it, is really an illusion.
And that's hard, I think for us to grasp. But
we always have the power within ourselves, to reinvent ourselves,
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to transform ourself and to release the past. And it's
the liberation then of carrying that mental and emotional burden.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
My wonderful guest, Carol Obi her new book, The Art
of Sensing, A Guide for staying true to your soul's
journey through challenging times. Carol, please share with our listeners
where they can find more about you and your work
and your books.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
My website is soul Visions dot net and the book
is available at The official publishing date is May first,
twenty twenty five. It is currently available for pre order
through my publisher, Collectiveinc. Dot com and Amazon dot com
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and Barnesennoble dot com. It's also on Kindle and.
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Speaker 1 (23:57):
On Destination Unlimited. My guest this week Carol Obly her
new book, The Art of Sensing, A Guide for staying
true to your Soul's journey through challenging times. Carol, what
inspired this new book?
Speaker 2 (24:12):
I was inspired to write the Art of Sensing by
observing and actually unfortunately immersing myself in the current of
vision or polarities that are going on, and also the
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huge transformative energy that we're all facing at this time,
and I thought, I want to write something so that
people can understand that despite what we're seeing on the outside,
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despite the differences in our beliefs, our philosophy, these are
political divisions. All of those are really artificial. They're part
of that outer landscape. What the unifying factor is is
the spirit that each of us has and so I thought,
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I want to do something at this critical juncture. And
like all of my books, this came to me very spontaneously.
I absolutely have found that it never works when I
try to rush getting a topic or I try to
make it my way. It has to be inspired in
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divine timing and through the higher inspiration of spirit.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Absolutely something I agree with you about one. Let that
spirit flow through and this gives you the truth that
you're looking for.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
It does, and you know, when I was writing it,
I had somewhat of a different concept. Of course, my
editor who's very helpful, and she suggested a few things,
but as she always and she said it did all
my books stayed with the truth of the theme of
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the book, and how can I find my way through times,
difficult times, whatever that might be it can take. You know,
difficulties can take many different forms. You know, collectively we're
going through a lot of chaos, a lot of change
and transformation, and so I wanted to offer, you know,
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this to help people learn how to avoid the pitfalls
of you know, maybe uh the egos vendettas, you know,
with these difficulties that are often so challenging to see
our way through or in the midst of them.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Absolutely. We had mentioned earlier that the book is about
what you call spiritual intuition. You briefly touched upon that,
please go a little deeper into that. What is spiritual intuition.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Spiritual intuition is the whispering of the soul and what
the soul has come here into three D reality on
the physical plane to accomplish. And it's often very different,
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and it's a higher perspective, higher meaning not better necessarily,
but a different perspective than the ego's desires or demands
or wishes. The soul has infinite wisdom and actually plans
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what it needs to evolve spiritually before coming into the
body of the small infant. So if we are tuned
into that, and that's timeless by the way, time is
simply an artificial construct anyway, The soul is timeless. So
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spiritual intuition is a remembrance of whispering from the soul
of what we had planned to do before we even
showed up here.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Why is it important for people to pay attention to
their intuition?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Well, I think basically to avoid suffering, suffering in any form,
and that can take any emotional form it can take
the form of particularly loss. Loss is very compelling as
an opportunity to awaken spiritually. Now because of the faculty
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of free will, we can choose to do that, or
we can choose to remain in suffering and so to
avoid that or to lessen it, because I don't think
we really ever escape some form of suffering here on
the earthplane. Following the soul's promptings help alleviate some of
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that suffering. And importantly, the soul is always hopeful, and
I think that is something that is desperately needed more
in than midst of turmoil. I think most people need
to know that there is light at the end of
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that dark tunnel.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Absolutely. I don't know if I shared this with you
the last time we spoke, but in nineteen seventy five,
I was stationed in Korea, had correspondence with my mother
on a regular basis, but didn't know that anything had
or have any kind of indication that anything was wrong.
And then one morning I heard a voice, the spiritus voice,
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the soul voice in my head, saying you need to
call your mother. She needs to hear from you. And
I always listened to that voice that was something I've
been doing since childhood. So consequently I called and in
those days there were extension telephones so that you could
pick up the phone simultaneously in two locations in the house,
and my mother and my sister picked up the phone simultaneously,
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and I said, Mom, is there anything wrong? And my
sister goes, oh, my god, how did he find out?
And it turned out that she was scheduled for major
surgery the next day. And the voice told me to
tell her that the surgery would be a complete success,
She'd have a full and rapid recovery. Everything would be fine.
She needed to hear those words from me, and I'm
grateful that that voice came to me.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yes, that is an excellent example of spiritual intuition. Usually,
what I find is that that voice just so listeners
can understand the difference between the voice in the head,
as Ekertolli, this spiritual teacher ecertoally calls it the voice
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in the head coming from our rational mind, and the
voice coming from the soul. It's usually the spiritual intuition
is service oriented. It is comforting, and it's hopeful, it's inspiring.
And yes, it just as in your case, it can
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be to help someone else. And I bet you that
your mother went in there with that in mind, that you,
as her beloved son, had communicated that to her prior
to her surgery. So that's quite comforting to know. And
I find that with spiritual intuition, that that's really the tone,
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if you will, that it.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Takes absolutely and again the fact that time and space
have no barriers with this. She was six thousand miles
away when this occurred, so.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yes, and you're right, it's not has nothing to do
with geography, location, distance, none of that. And I always
you know, like when people say, how can you do readings,
you know, on the telephone, which this is how I
do all my private readings. Now I was on the
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phone or through zoom, and it's because I explained to
them I'm reading energy and energy is not confined to
a location or you know, geographical, It has nothing to
do with any of that. So sometimes, yeah, you have
to explain that to people, but it is timeless, and
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it is importantly people have to know it's always available.
It's not like you have to beg for it to
happen or you know, sign up. It's always available to us.
And sometimes it comes in very surprising ways. Oftentimes it
will come when we least expect it. I've found that
to be true in my life, that we're guided when
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spirit and its infinite intelligence and love knows that we're
ready to receive that particular guidance or message.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Absolutely. As you had mentioned that you've studied and practiced
astrology for many years. In the art of sensing, you
write about the useful information obtained from delving into one's
birth charge share with us how this is helpful.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
The birth chart is a map of the soul. It
is a divine, sacred in my opinion, map of the
soul's journey both before coming into the current incarnation, the
potential that the soul has. Why am I using that
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word potential because there is always the reality of free will,
the predispositions, the skills, the lessons, the karma of that
unique soul, and each soul is unique. Studying one's own
birth chart gives tremendous insight to understanding oneself at the
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deeper level, the soul level, and to then be able
to more easily understand why you know, do I have
this particular difficulty perhaps you know symbolized by the placement
of Saturn, for example, in the chart, Saturn is the teacher,
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the taskmaster, the lord of karma. You know why our
relationships difficult, you know, perhaps with the placement of Venus
or the aspects of relationships with other planets to Venus.
All of this is revealed in the birth chart, and
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it takes many years, just like mediumship takes many years
to develop and trust astrology is I feel, you know,
even after sixteen years, that I've just scratched the surface
of it. However, I do offer karmic astrology readings to
people who usually remark that it's amazing how accurate they
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are and how they shed light on why there's certain patterns,
you know, in their own lives that have arisen during
different times.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
In the art of sensing, you talk about soul pods.
What are soul pods?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Pod is another word for a group. The reason I
use the word pod is because I'm very tuned into
all animals, and I thought about dolphins and how they
usually travel in that small, close knit group for protection
and you know, for hunting and all of that. So
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soul groups are those souls who we have traveled with
in many lifetimes and actually even in between lifetimes, we
meet up with these sole group members and we're there
to help one another. We're there to learn, learn from
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one another, were there to encourage one another. And so
there are various soul groups, each one of them having
and I list some of these in the art of sensing,
each one having a particular theme that perhaps many incarnations
have been spent on emanating that particular theme or what
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are also called rays of the divine.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
And the concept of the soul pod what you're talking about.
I've recognized, especially over the last four or five years,
that many people that I've had the blessing of meeting,
I immediately recognize them as part of my soul pod,
or I call it soul family. Is there a reason
for this?
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Because there is a deep remembrance that is available through
that soul to soul connection. And it's beyond words, it's
beyond mental thoughts, it's beyond personality. It's a soul resonance.
And I've had that happen where you know, you meet
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a stranger and all of a sudden, you feel instantly
comfortable with them. You feel as though you can open up,
you feel vulnerable in a good sense that you can
show them who you are and vice versa without any fear.
And I believe that that is a deep remembrance from
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being with that soul or souls from previous.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Times and in particularly this concept of coming together at
this time. Is there a higher purpose in that?
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Oftentimes yes. In my previous books, I've written about these
soul blueprints, I call them blueprints, meaning there's sort of
a sketch or an outline compared to a contract, which
is binding. More of an outline that you know, we're
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going to meet up to work on a particular project.
We're going to meet up for a relationship, could be
a friendship, could be a marriage. We're going to you know,
could be an employer, an employee. We're going to meet
up for a purpose. And that's always a two way street.
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You know, there are no victims in any of this,
There are no non consenting souls. It's always an agreement.
Rarely do we consciously remember that, and then sometimes the
evolution of the relationship only becomes evident as we enter
into it and allow it to unfold organically.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
You write about spiritual awakening in the individual as central
to the current global transformation. Why is the so.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
The individual is a microcosm of the macrocosm, which we
would consider spirit, what some people call God, some people
call it Source. The individual is an intricate and indispensable
part of that. So let's say, let's use the analogy
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of a big you know, a thousand piece puzzle, and
each part of that puzzle. The puzzle is not complete
unless each piece is in place. And that's how importance
or essential you are. I am where anyone listening is
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to the totality of the bigger source energy. And so
when I transform, when I heal, that is separate from
the totality of source. It becomes part of it. And
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that is why its transformation must begin with the individual,
and that can take many different forms, changing our thoughts,
releasing old beliefs, you know, being connected with service, following
our divine voice, or our spiritual intuition. All of that
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begins with the individual, and then it goes out or
diffuses to others and ultimately to the entirety of the
source energy.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
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Speaker 1 (43:35):
Back on Destination Unlimited. My guests this week, the wonderful
Carol Obi. We're talking about her new book, The Art
of Sensing, a Guide for staying and true to your
soul's journey through challenging times. Carol, what is the primary
difference between the personality and the soul.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Well, we know we all have a personality and that
can rain from you know, being very introverted or you know, quiet,
to being very extroverted, outgoing, being a dared devil. Those
are all examples of personalities that will dissolve when we
leave this physical plane upon death. The soul is eternal,
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and so that is really all we take with us,
you know, that is what goes to the spare world,
to heaven as people call it. The personality is temporary,
and it's really it's actually and I know most people
might be, uh someone astonished by this, But the personality
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is chosen by the soul to advance its purpose here.
Now does that mean that you know, the soul never
makes mistakes on that. Well, again, there's that element a
free will. It chooses certain personalities in order to maybe
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they're difficult personalities. Maybe the soul chooses personality that is,
you know, angry or going to be violent, and so
through you know, a very difficult personality and unfortunately perhaps
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even harming others. There's still something that's absorbed there. But
of course there's also karma that is created or cause
an effect that is created by the personality. So the
personality should really be a servant of the soul, not
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the other way around. And so the personality can serve
the soul in many different ways depending upon its own
qualities and uniqueness. The difference is that the personality is temporary,
the soul is not.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Yes, you write about the importance of differentiating between personal
responsibility and choice, please explain.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Personal choice is something that we all have and we
can do that in myriads of way. We do this
every day. What am I going to eat for dinner.
You know, to have a simple example, you know where
am I going to go on vacation? You know what
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am I going to do with my life today? So
that's all choice. Personal responsibility is the implications of those choices.
So if I make a choice to uplift somebody with
kindness with an act of service, my personal responsibility is
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I will receive. That's not why I do it, perhaps,
but personal responsibility, which is always in effect by the way,
dictates that that will come back to me. That will
return to me. I am personally responsible for the choices
that I make, and the opposite can be is true
as well. I make a choice to steal, I'm personally
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responsible for that choice that I made, and the Creator
does not say no, no, you can't do that. The
gift that we all have by birthright is free will.
I know certain people don't believe in that. I happen
to definitely know that it is a reality, and I
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definitely know through years of mediumship that we are responsible
for every single choice that we make in life. I've
had many spirits come through and offer apologies for the
choices that they made during their fiscal life.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
And please describe the difference in perspective between the two
as you describe them as inner and outer landscapes.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
The inner landscape is, in its purest form, the soul,
which no matter where you go, what you do, you
drop this body, your body dies. That soul is intact.
That's the inner landscape. The outer landscape is anything external
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to that, and that would include the body, that would
include the personality, that would include the emotions. And I
know a lot of people perceive those well they're generating
from within me, but they're not truly the essence of
the individual, which is the soul. And everything on the
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fiscal plane is temporary. Everything at some point, some sooner
than others, will deteriorate and crumble or die. The inner
landscape will never die. And that's the fundamental difference.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
You've referenced the experience of dark nights in this book.
What are these and how may we successfully navigate them?
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Well, the dark Knight was first put out by Saint
John of the Cross many many centuries ago. He didn't
actually call it that, but he was in the midst
of a very trying time where he felt God had
abandoned him. He's a very religious man, and he felt
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that he was suddenly by whatever circumstances had happened, whether
it was the depression or you know, external events in
his life, he perceived that he was alone and he
was abandoned by God and why and what is the
meaning of my life? And so that's the dark knight
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when we feel very alone, we feel no one cares,
we feel that even spirit itself has deserted us. And
most of us will experience a dark knight. You know,
rare is the person who has not gone through a
time in their life. I'm sure there are some people
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who haven't. But even if we look at the life
of Jesus, he had dark knights, you know, where he
felt that, you know, you know, do I have to
go through with the crucifixion? And God, why have you
abandoned me? My father? So most of us will experience that.
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And the important thing to know when we're going through
that is that it's an experience that we're having. It's
not the reality of who we are. It's an experience,
even though it's difficult, challenging and there's a lot of
suffering involved. Perhaps it's not the definition or the reality
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of who we are as a divine.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Being and how may the art of sensing help those
who are grieving?
Speaker 2 (51:49):
And I do use the example from many years of
mediumship of people suffering a loss of a loved one
by knowing that, first off, that that loved one is
an eternal soul, and that they go on their consciousness
the essential identity of that deceased loved one is not gone,
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that the connection is intact. And secondly, knowing that that
difficult time of grieving, that there is light at the
end of the tunnel. There is hope in knowing that
your true identity is that of an immortal soul. And
I think it's very comforting for people to realize that,
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and I don't mean realize it intellectually, but know it
within their heart. And that gives great comfort in knowing
that in your heart that we will meet again, That
there really is not a separation between those in spirit
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and those of us here. The spirit world is right
here all around us. It's a matter of tuning into it.
I feel that is very, very comforting. And to know
that your soul is speaking to you, whispering to you
and saying this is really not the end. Death is
an illusion.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
Absolutely, what would you like your readers to take away
from the Art of Sensing.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
The knowledge that anything that happens here and again, using
the word knowledge, I'm using that not in the terms
of intellectual knowledge of facts, but knowing within the depths
of yourself that you are divine being who always has
the opportunity to transform, to reinvent yourself. You are the
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phoenix rising from the ashes, whatever those whatever form those
ashes might have taken in your life, and to cross
the bridge of transformation. There's a whole chapter called the Bridge,
and that bridge is metaphoric in representing the bridge of transformation,
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meaning change, and it's spiritual change, these deep, profound changes
that hopefully we go through during our physical journey.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
Here my guest, Carol Obi her new book, The Art
of Sensing, a Guide for staying true to your soul's
journey through challenging times. Carol, one more time, please share
with our listeners where they can get your books and
find out more about you and your amazing work.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
My website soul Visions dot net and the book. The
official publishing data is May the first, twenty twenty five
is It is currently available through Amazon dot com. My
website Barnes Andnoble dot com and my publisher, Collectiveinc.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Dot com and give us a little tease about the
one that's in progress right now.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
Yeah. Well, my working title is Spiritual Prescriptions, and it
will be remedies, so to speak, for different emotions. We
might have situations in life and viewing those from the
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perspective of the soul. And I'm feeling probably little meditations
and exercises that one can do as part of the prescription.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
And you don't need any health insurance for that, right
you do not, Carol, thank you so much for coming
back and joining us and sharing all of your experiences,
your wisdom and your big heart.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
Oh, thank you so much. It's truly been my pleasure. Victor,
thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
And thank you for joining us on Destination Unlimited. I'm
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Destination Unlimited. How may trusting our sixth sense help us
conquer fear and navigate life's challenges? My guest this week
on Destination Unlimited, acclaimed spiritual medium and popular author Carol
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j Obli says this may be achieved by developing the
art of sensing. Carol has been the bridge between heaven
and Earth in more than fifteen one thousand group and
individual readings. Names, descriptions of loved one's personalities and uncanny
validating details, as well as grief support and teachings about
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the afterlife, are typically delivered in her sessions. An advanced intuitive,
Carol also regularly delivers specific, practical guidance in readings about
a wide variety of life issues, including relationships, business, and spirituality.
She is recognized by clients for bringing compassion and integrity
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to mediumship via her sincere intent to be of service
to others. Her website is soul Visions dot net, and
she joins me this week to share her new book,
The Art of Sensing, A Guide for staying true to
your Soul's Journey through Challenging Times. Please join me in
welcoming to Destination Unlimited, Carol Obly Welcome.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Carol, Hi Victor. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
So nice to have you back on again. When we
last spoke about a year ago of February of twenty
twenty four, and today we're going to be talking about
your brand new book, The Art of Sensing, A Guide
for staying true to your Soul's Journey through Challenging Times.
But first, for listeners meeting you for the first time,
please share your early path.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah. I'm a professional medium. I've done that for about
thirty years, and I fell onto the path. Although I
believe in my heart, I know in my soul that
it was a calling and it came about through a
very catastrophic event. That event was a fire in the
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business I was running at the time, and it took
me completely out of that old life. And so about
a year later I was called to a little metaphysical
center in the small town where I live and I
started taking classes there one thing after another, went to
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Delphi University, which is near Atlanta, Georgia, and continued to
do readings that I started there, much to my surprise,
and today I think I have on my website about
fifteen thousand readings. It's probably more than that. I've also
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taught many workshops, a lot of them through Lilydale, a
spiritualist community in New York, both in person and through Zoom.
I've taught my own workshops, you know, with my own people,
and written This is my fifth book, and I have
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one in the pipeline as we speak. So that's the
synopsis of thirty years of working with spirit.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Now, as a child, did you have any cognition whatsoever
of these gifts?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
None whatsoever in fact, And I wrote about this in
Wisdom from the Spirit World. That's the book just previous
to the Art of Sensing that. I was a child
who was very fearful and particularly of death, ironically, very fearful.
And I recount the story of going to see my
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first grandparents who passed. I was only ten years old
at the time, and I remember being terrified of seeing
his body in the casket and having nightmares about it
and Interestingly though, I was always very fascinated and intrigued
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about what happens to us when we die. And one
of the stories I recount also is walking through a
graveyard at a very young age with my paternal grandmother
holding her hand. Was a Catholic matery, so there were
photographs under glass on some of the gravestones. Some of
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these gravestones were children, and I remember as a child
standing there gazing at that photo and wondering, where is
that child now? And why would God take a child?
Why would a child die? And does that soul know
that I'm standing here on their grave looking at their photo. So,
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at this very young age, I was very precocious, very inquisitive,
drove my parents crazy with asking why, why this? Why that.
I was raised in traditional religion, in a Christian Church,
and you know, it never felt complete to me. And
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although I really got into scriptures and so forth, I
was never I ever felt spirit in my rational mind
or you know, just studying scripture. And so then I
got into a whole bunch of trouble during my late
teens and early twenties with drugs and alcohol, acting very crazy,
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and my spirituality really began to blossom at the age
of twenty five when I went into twelve step recovery,
and so I got my hands on every spiritual book,
every twelve step recovery book. I could get women's studies,
all sorts of things, nonfiction books to try to understand
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who I was, because I really had no idea. So
unlike some mediums, I was not aware of the ability
of the sensitivity, although I know I had it because
I've studied astrology in depth. I offer astrology readings to
people basically on the movement of the soul. It's not
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mundane astrology, it's spiritual astrology and particularly karmaic astrology. So
I've studied my birth chart in and out, and I
see in my birth chart that I was born with
the sensitivity, but the fear, I believe, really kept it paralyzed.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Now you are an evidential medium. How do you define
evidential mediumship?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
It is mediumship meaning being a conduit or bridge between
the fiscal world and the non fiscal world or what
is called the spirit world, and presenting facts of the
spirit communicator who is blending with me, their soul, blending
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with mind. That's how mediumship is accomplished. Otherwise it would
not be possible, and presenting those facts during the reading
to you know, create the identity of the communicating spirit,
such as names, occupation, memories, you know, validating personality characteristics.
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All of that can be considered evidentiary mediumship.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Now, as you just mentioned before, you since after doing
your astrology and looking at your karmic background, that you
were actually born with this is it something that you
have to be born with or can others learn this?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I believe I'm from the school of a medium is
born and really not made. And in no way am
I suggesting that people can't develop intuitively. In fact, I've
taught intuitive development. I've taught mediumship development to people. But
I really believe it's sort of you know, I use
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the analogy of being an artist or a musician or
an athlete, that we come into a fiscal life with
certain predispositions and we've probably done those things in other
experiences here on the earth, and so it doesn't make
one superior in any way. In fact, you'll never hear
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me use the word gifted about myself. I believe it's
a skill that is developed, and it takes many years
to develop, but it's something that I believe the soul
chooses before coming here for purposes of service and importantly,
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its own evolution.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
In addition to the mediumship work. Have you had any
paranormal experiences?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Many? Many, and those go back thirty years that I've had.
One probably one of the most remarkable ones is I
was living in an older home and I was standing
at my bathroom sink one evening brushing my teeth. It
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was early in the evening, it was only about seven
thirty eight o'clock, and all of a sudden, as I'm
standing there, a huge cloud of ectoplasm or you know,
spiritual material kind of looks like smoke. It's white and diffuse.
It came out of the wall in front of me,
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and I took a few steps backwards and as I watched,
it dissipated back into the wall. Now this was just
one experience in this particular house. The ectoplasm would appear
in different places is throughout the house. I had dogs
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at the time, and it would sort of hover over
top of my dogs. They had dog beds on the
floor and this actoplasm would kind of hover over them.
And the other some other things that happened in that
house where I would get this strong smell of alcohol,
and I have not drank alcohol in forty one years,
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so nobody and nobody was drinking in my house. And
I would smell cigarette smoke as well, so it was
very strange. I was really frightened by it, and I
talked to this entity and said, please, don't you know,
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please don't do this, You're frightening me, and it stopped.
So's there's many others. Those are probably the most remarkedable
that I could tell you about in this segment. But
there are things that people would think I was probably
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making them up, but certainly I'm one of the more
grounded people. You know. In addition to be highly intuitive
and metimistic, I'm very grounded as well. And these were
very real experiences.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I don't recall if I shared this with you on
your previous appearances with me on these shows, but when
I was six and a half years old, I was
very close with my paternal grandfather, who was well into
his eighties at the time. And I was in my
room one day and I was reading a book or
reading something, looking at something, and I looked up my
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grandfather was standing there, and I said Grandpa, when did
you come in? And he just smiled at me. There
was no answer, and he sort of dissolved and disappeared,
and I went into the living room and I said
to my parents, Grandpa was here, and they were a
little upset by that because he had been at the
hospital in the hospital at the time, and within a
couple of minutes the phone rang with word of his passing.
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So that was probably my first recognition of the essence
of spirit and the gift of spirit. And I was
grateful that he came to me at that point and
gave me that opening, and it also showed his love
for me.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
It certainly did. And you know, I've had all clients
over the years who have relayed similar stories, and my
sense is it's that soul coming to say goodbye temporarily
because we know that the bond of love is eternal
and it's forever. It will never diminish through death. So
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you know, I believe that it is a way, and
that's a real blessing for that to happen for you.
It's a way of the soul saying, you know, goodbye,
but we're still acted I'll see you the next time around.
And I can imagine your parents were probably upset.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Absolutely many of the things that I shared when I
was a child were labeled as overactive imagination until my
mother a couple of years before she transitioned. I took
her out to lunch one day and the topic came up,
and I said, you never had any strange experiences, did you?
She said, no, except for that time, and she started
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all of these things, which confirmed for me everything that
I had known throughout our lives. So I'm grateful that
she gave me that gift prior to her transition. How
do you define the sixth sense?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Well, it's intuition, and we have our five physical senses,
of course, and we need those to navigate here on
the physical plane. Of course, there are people who are
mine as some of those deaf, and interestingly, I find,
you know the stories I've read over the years, those
people become particularly intuitive because they're missing, you know, some
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of the physical senses, so they become more tuned in
to the intuitive sense. Now, in the art of sensing,
I do distinguish between a sort of garden variety intuition,
in other words, that gut knowing something's going to happen,
or don't get on that particular road, or I feel
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strange I'm around this particular person, or I don't trust
that person. That's what I would call sort of a
garden variety, not to diminish it at all. It's very
useful and protective. But spiritual intuition is listening to and
importantly trusting and following the voice of our own soul,
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and by doing so we can navigate through challenges in life,
which almost all of us have at one point or another,
more successfully, more easily, and with much less suffering. So
that's the difference between those two.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Is this something that you would talk we had talked
about before being born with a gift or developing it?
Is this something that anyone can develop the intuition?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Spiritual intuition, I believe so, and one of the most
important tools. And by the way, in the art of sensing.
I give practical exercises in most of the chapters so
that people These are simple things that don't cost any money.
You can do at home or go out in nature
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in your own backyard and do to become closer to
that inner voice, the inner landscape. The first part of
the book I talk about there are sections the inner
landscape and then the outer landscape. The inner landscape being
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everything that's internal to the individual, particularly the soul, the
divinity of the soul, the sacredness of the soul, and
importantly the whispering of the soul, which is spiritual intuition.
The outer landscape is anything external to the individual and society, culture,
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other people, things, places. All of that is the outer landscape,
and all of that will invariably change, it's just a
matter of time. What will not change is the inner landscape,
as far as the perfection and the divinity of the soul.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
The last time you were on, as we had mentioned,
you shared your book Wisdom from the Spirit World. Life
teaching is on love, forgiveness, purpose and finding peace. What
did you offer readers in that book?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Wisdom from the Spirit World was a compilation of lessons
I believe there are nine or ten of them that I,
over thirty years of giving readings at that point twenty
five years, had gleaned from thousands of sessions, and so
I organized them in the second section of the book
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of what I personally have learned and observed from the
communication from the Spirit world from spirit communicators, and for example,
the first one is, and it seems rather obvious, there
is an afterlife, and so you know, because there are
people who don't believe that anything. You know, we just
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when we die, our consciousness dies. So that's a very
fundamental lesson that And how is that proven? Really well,
in my opinion and my experience, by my knowledge given
to me by the spirit communicator. Things that are very
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specific that I would have no way of knowing, that
are very specific to that soul. And you know, how
would I know that well, because that intelligence of that
soul lives on after leaving the fiscal body. So that's
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one of the lessons. Another would be forgiveness is the
cornerstone of all healing. Forgiveness meaning again, spiritual forgiveness. What
is it, Well, it's a conscious decision to not carry
the past and to be present in right here, right now.
(20:00):
And I can't tell you how many readings I've done
in which a spirit communicator will come through and apologize
for their behavior, for the way they treated the recipient
of the reading, for you know, being maybe a workaholic,
not spending enough time with the family. And there are
(20:24):
many others. So those are just two of the lessons
that the spirit world has really communicated. Is forgiveness as
in the book, is.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Forgiveness for the forgiven or the forgiver?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Well, I feel it's for both. I once heard someone
say forgiveness is probably the most selfish act that you
will ever do, meaning it is for you. Now. Do
I think that that has no effect on the individual
or individuals who are being forgiven? No, I think it
(21:04):
does have an effect because we are unified at the
spiritual level. So anything that I do and put into
that greater mind of spirit or the collective consciousness will
have a ripple effect. That's what my spirit guides call it,
is the ripple effect, much like throwing a pebble into
(21:26):
a pond and you see those concentric circles go out.
And so that's what our thoughts are like. And so
when we let go of the past, we release ourselves
from that burden. It's often an artificial burden, because you know,
(21:47):
I'm a student of a course in miracles, and of
course in miracles talks about that the assault or affront
or whatever you want to call it, is really an illusion.
And that's hard, I think for us to grasp. But
we always have the power within ourselves, to reinvent ourselves,
(22:09):
to transform ourself and to release the past. And it's
the liberation then of carrying that mental and emotional burden.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
My wonderful guest, Carol Obi her new book, The Art
of Sensing, A Guide for staying true to your soul's
journey through challenging times. Carol, please share with our listeners
where they can find more about you and your work
and your books.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
My website is soul Visions dot net and the book
is available at The official publishing date is May first,
twenty twenty five. It is currently available for pre order
through my publisher, Collectiveinc. Dot com and Amazon dot com
(22:56):
and Barnesennoble dot com. It's also on Kindle and.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
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On Destination Unlimited. My guest this week Carol Obly her
new book, The Art of Sensing, A Guide for staying
true to your Soul's journey through challenging times. Carol, what
inspired this new book?
Speaker 2 (24:12):
I was inspired to write the Art of Sensing by
observing and actually unfortunately immersing myself in the current of
vision or polarities that are going on, and also the
(24:34):
huge transformative energy that we're all facing at this time,
and I thought, I want to write something so that
people can understand that despite what we're seeing on the outside,
(24:55):
despite the differences in our beliefs, our philosophy, these are
political divisions. All of those are really artificial. They're part
of that outer landscape. What the unifying factor is is
the spirit that each of us has and so I thought,
(25:19):
I want to do something at this critical juncture. And
like all of my books, this came to me very spontaneously.
I absolutely have found that it never works when I
try to rush getting a topic or I try to
make it my way. It has to be inspired in
(25:40):
divine timing and through the higher inspiration of spirit.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Absolutely something I agree with you about one. Let that
spirit flow through and this gives you the truth that
you're looking for.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
It does, and you know, when I was writing it,
I had somewhat of a different concept. Of course, my
editor who's very helpful, and she suggested a few things,
but as she always and she said it did all
my books stayed with the truth of the theme of
(26:20):
the book, and how can I find my way through times,
difficult times, whatever that might be it can take. You know,
difficulties can take many different forms. You know, collectively we're
going through a lot of chaos, a lot of change
and transformation, and so I wanted to offer, you know,
(26:45):
this to help people learn how to avoid the pitfalls
of you know, maybe uh the egos vendettas, you know,
with these difficulties that are often so challenging to see
our way through or in the midst of them.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Absolutely. We had mentioned earlier that the book is about
what you call spiritual intuition. You briefly touched upon that,
please go a little deeper into that. What is spiritual intuition.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Spiritual intuition is the whispering of the soul and what
the soul has come here into three D reality on
the physical plane to accomplish. And it's often very different,
(27:42):
and it's a higher perspective, higher meaning not better necessarily,
but a different perspective than the ego's desires or demands
or wishes. The soul has infinite wisdom and actually plans
(28:06):
what it needs to evolve spiritually before coming into the
body of the small infant. So if we are tuned
into that, and that's timeless by the way, time is
simply an artificial construct anyway, The soul is timeless. So
(28:29):
spiritual intuition is a remembrance of whispering from the soul
of what we had planned to do before we even
showed up here.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Why is it important for people to pay attention to
their intuition?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Well, I think basically to avoid suffering, suffering in any form,
and that can take any emotional form it can take
the form of particularly loss. Loss is very compelling as
an opportunity to awaken spiritually. Now because of the faculty
(29:09):
of free will, we can choose to do that, or
we can choose to remain in suffering and so to
avoid that or to lessen it, because I don't think
we really ever escape some form of suffering here on
the earthplane. Following the soul's promptings help alleviate some of
(29:36):
that suffering. And importantly, the soul is always hopeful, and
I think that is something that is desperately needed more
in than midst of turmoil. I think most people need
to know that there is light at the end of
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that dark tunnel.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Absolutely. I don't know if I shared this with you
the last time we spoke, but in nineteen seventy five,
I was stationed in Korea, had correspondence with my mother
on a regular basis, but didn't know that anything had
or have any kind of indication that anything was wrong.
And then one morning I heard a voice, the spiritus voice,
(30:23):
the soul voice in my head, saying you need to
call your mother. She needs to hear from you. And
I always listened to that voice that was something I've
been doing since childhood. So consequently I called and in
those days there were extension telephones so that you could
pick up the phone simultaneously in two locations in the house,
and my mother and my sister picked up the phone simultaneously,
(30:44):
and I said, Mom, is there anything wrong? And my
sister goes, oh, my god, how did he find out?
And it turned out that she was scheduled for major
surgery the next day. And the voice told me to
tell her that the surgery would be a complete success,
She'd have a full and rapid recovery. Everything would be fine.
She needed to hear those words from me, and I'm
grateful that that voice came to me.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yes, that is an excellent example of spiritual intuition. Usually,
what I find is that that voice just so listeners
can understand the difference between the voice in the head,
as Ekertolli, this spiritual teacher ecertoally calls it the voice
(31:28):
in the head coming from our rational mind, and the
voice coming from the soul. It's usually the spiritual intuition
is service oriented. It is comforting, and it's hopeful, it's inspiring.
And yes, it just as in your case, it can
(31:49):
be to help someone else. And I bet you that
your mother went in there with that in mind, that you,
as her beloved son, had communicated that to her prior
to her surgery. So that's quite comforting to know. And
I find that with spiritual intuition, that that's really the tone,
(32:12):
if you will, that it.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Takes absolutely and again the fact that time and space
have no barriers with this. She was six thousand miles
away when this occurred, so.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yes, and you're right, it's not has nothing to do
with geography, location, distance, none of that. And I always
you know, like when people say, how can you do readings,
you know, on the telephone, which this is how I
do all my private readings. Now I was on the
(32:46):
phone or through zoom, and it's because I explained to
them I'm reading energy and energy is not confined to
a location or you know, geographical, It has nothing to
do with any of that. So sometimes, yeah, you have
to explain that to people, but it is timeless, and
(33:11):
it is importantly people have to know it's always available.
It's not like you have to beg for it to
happen or you know, sign up. It's always available to us.
And sometimes it comes in very surprising ways. Oftentimes it
will come when we least expect it. I've found that
to be true in my life, that we're guided when
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spirit and its infinite intelligence and love knows that we're
ready to receive that particular guidance or message.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Absolutely. As you had mentioned that you've studied and practiced
astrology for many years. In the art of sensing, you
write about the useful information obtained from delving into one's
birth charge share with us how this is helpful.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
The birth chart is a map of the soul. It
is a divine, sacred in my opinion, map of the
soul's journey both before coming into the current incarnation, the
potential that the soul has. Why am I using that
(34:24):
word potential because there is always the reality of free will,
the predispositions, the skills, the lessons, the karma of that
unique soul, and each soul is unique. Studying one's own
birth chart gives tremendous insight to understanding oneself at the
(34:49):
deeper level, the soul level, and to then be able
to more easily understand why you know, do I have
this particular difficulty perhaps you know symbolized by the placement
of Saturn, for example, in the chart, Saturn is the teacher,
(35:11):
the taskmaster, the lord of karma. You know why our
relationships difficult, you know, perhaps with the placement of Venus
or the aspects of relationships with other planets to Venus.
All of this is revealed in the birth chart, and
(35:32):
it takes many years, just like mediumship takes many years
to develop and trust astrology is I feel, you know,
even after sixteen years, that I've just scratched the surface
of it. However, I do offer karmic astrology readings to
people who usually remark that it's amazing how accurate they
(35:58):
are and how they shed light on why there's certain patterns,
you know, in their own lives that have arisen during
different times.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
In the art of sensing, you talk about soul pods.
What are soul pods?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Pod is another word for a group. The reason I
use the word pod is because I'm very tuned into
all animals, and I thought about dolphins and how they
usually travel in that small, close knit group for protection
and you know, for hunting and all of that. So
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soul groups are those souls who we have traveled with
in many lifetimes and actually even in between lifetimes, we
meet up with these sole group members and we're there
to help one another. We're there to learn, learn from
(37:00):
one another, were there to encourage one another. And so
there are various soul groups, each one of them having
and I list some of these in the art of sensing,
each one having a particular theme that perhaps many incarnations
have been spent on emanating that particular theme or what
(37:25):
are also called rays of the divine.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
And the concept of the soul pod what you're talking about.
I've recognized, especially over the last four or five years,
that many people that I've had the blessing of meeting,
I immediately recognize them as part of my soul pod,
or I call it soul family. Is there a reason
for this?
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Because there is a deep remembrance that is available through
that soul to soul connection. And it's beyond words, it's
beyond mental thoughts, it's beyond personality. It's a soul resonance.
And I've had that happen where you know, you meet
(38:12):
a stranger and all of a sudden, you feel instantly
comfortable with them. You feel as though you can open up,
you feel vulnerable in a good sense that you can
show them who you are and vice versa without any fear.
And I believe that that is a deep remembrance from
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being with that soul or souls from previous.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Times and in particularly this concept of coming together at
this time. Is there a higher purpose in that?
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Oftentimes yes. In my previous books, I've written about these
soul blueprints, I call them blueprints, meaning there's sort of
a sketch or an outline compared to a contract, which
is binding. More of an outline that you know, we're
(39:07):
going to meet up to work on a particular project.
We're going to meet up for a relationship, could be
a friendship, could be a marriage. We're going to you know,
could be an employer, an employee. We're going to meet
up for a purpose. And that's always a two way street.
(39:30):
You know, there are no victims in any of this,
There are no non consenting souls. It's always an agreement.
Rarely do we consciously remember that, and then sometimes the
evolution of the relationship only becomes evident as we enter
into it and allow it to unfold organically.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
You write about spiritual awakening in the individual as central
to the current global transformation. Why is the so.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
The individual is a microcosm of the macrocosm, which we
would consider spirit, what some people call God, some people
call it Source. The individual is an intricate and indispensable
part of that. So let's say, let's use the analogy
(40:26):
of a big you know, a thousand piece puzzle, and
each part of that puzzle. The puzzle is not complete
unless each piece is in place. And that's how importance
or essential you are. I am where anyone listening is
(40:46):
to the totality of the bigger source energy. And so
when I transform, when I heal, that is separate from
the totality of source. It becomes part of it. And
(41:08):
that is why its transformation must begin with the individual,
and that can take many different forms, changing our thoughts,
releasing old beliefs, you know, being connected with service, following
our divine voice, or our spiritual intuition. All of that
(41:31):
begins with the individual, and then it goes out or
diffuses to others and ultimately to the entirety of the
source energy.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Her new book is entitled The Art of Sensing, A
Guide for staying true to your Soul's journey through Challenging Times.
We'll be back with more of Caroa lobly after these
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Speaker 1 (43:35):
Back on Destination Unlimited. My guests this week, the wonderful
Carol Obi. We're talking about her new book, The Art
of Sensing, a Guide for staying and true to your
soul's journey through challenging times. Carol, what is the primary
difference between the personality and the soul.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Well, we know we all have a personality and that
can rain from you know, being very introverted or you know, quiet,
to being very extroverted, outgoing, being a dared devil. Those
are all examples of personalities that will dissolve when we
leave this physical plane upon death. The soul is eternal,
(44:22):
and so that is really all we take with us,
you know, that is what goes to the spare world,
to heaven as people call it. The personality is temporary,
and it's really it's actually and I know most people
might be, uh someone astonished by this, But the personality
(44:44):
is chosen by the soul to advance its purpose here.
Now does that mean that you know, the soul never
makes mistakes on that. Well, again, there's that element a
free will. It chooses certain personalities in order to maybe
(45:05):
they're difficult personalities. Maybe the soul chooses personality that is,
you know, angry or going to be violent, and so
through you know, a very difficult personality and unfortunately perhaps
(45:25):
even harming others. There's still something that's absorbed there. But
of course there's also karma that is created or cause
an effect that is created by the personality. So the
personality should really be a servant of the soul, not
(45:50):
the other way around. And so the personality can serve
the soul in many different ways depending upon its own
qualities and uniqueness. The difference is that the personality is temporary,
the soul is not.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Yes, you write about the importance of differentiating between personal
responsibility and choice, please explain.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Personal choice is something that we all have and we
can do that in myriads of way. We do this
every day. What am I going to eat for dinner.
You know, to have a simple example, you know where
am I going to go on vacation? You know what
(46:42):
am I going to do with my life today? So
that's all choice. Personal responsibility is the implications of those choices.
So if I make a choice to uplift somebody with
kindness with an act of service, my personal responsibility is
(47:07):
I will receive. That's not why I do it, perhaps,
but personal responsibility, which is always in effect by the way,
dictates that that will come back to me. That will
return to me. I am personally responsible for the choices
that I make, and the opposite can be is true
as well. I make a choice to steal, I'm personally
(47:32):
responsible for that choice that I made, and the Creator
does not say no, no, you can't do that. The
gift that we all have by birthright is free will.
I know certain people don't believe in that. I happen
to definitely know that it is a reality, and I
(47:56):
definitely know through years of mediumship that we are responsible
for every single choice that we make in life. I've
had many spirits come through and offer apologies for the
choices that they made during their fiscal life.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
And please describe the difference in perspective between the two
as you describe them as inner and outer landscapes.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
The inner landscape is, in its purest form, the soul,
which no matter where you go, what you do, you
drop this body, your body dies. That soul is intact.
That's the inner landscape. The outer landscape is anything external
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to that, and that would include the body, that would
include the personality, that would include the emotions. And I
know a lot of people perceive those well they're generating
from within me, but they're not truly the essence of
the individual, which is the soul. And everything on the
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fiscal plane is temporary. Everything at some point, some sooner
than others, will deteriorate and crumble or die. The inner
landscape will never die. And that's the fundamental difference.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
You've referenced the experience of dark nights in this book.
What are these and how may we successfully navigate them?
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Well, the dark Knight was first put out by Saint
John of the Cross many many centuries ago. He didn't
actually call it that, but he was in the midst
of a very trying time where he felt God had
abandoned him. He's a very religious man, and he felt
(50:05):
that he was suddenly by whatever circumstances had happened, whether
it was the depression or you know, external events in
his life, he perceived that he was alone and he
was abandoned by God and why and what is the
meaning of my life? And so that's the dark knight
(50:25):
when we feel very alone, we feel no one cares,
we feel that even spirit itself has deserted us. And
most of us will experience a dark knight. You know,
rare is the person who has not gone through a
time in their life. I'm sure there are some people
(50:48):
who haven't. But even if we look at the life
of Jesus, he had dark knights, you know, where he
felt that, you know, you know, do I have to
go through with the crucifixion? And God, why have you
abandoned me? My father? So most of us will experience that.
(51:13):
And the important thing to know when we're going through
that is that it's an experience that we're having. It's
not the reality of who we are. It's an experience,
even though it's difficult, challenging and there's a lot of
suffering involved. Perhaps it's not the definition or the reality
(51:39):
of who we are as a divine.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Being and how may the art of sensing help those
who are grieving?
Speaker 2 (51:49):
And I do use the example from many years of
mediumship of people suffering a loss of a loved one
by knowing that, first off, that that loved one is
an eternal soul, and that they go on their consciousness
the essential identity of that deceased loved one is not gone,
(52:16):
that the connection is intact. And secondly, knowing that that
difficult time of grieving, that there is light at the
end of the tunnel. There is hope in knowing that
your true identity is that of an immortal soul. And
I think it's very comforting for people to realize that,
(52:39):
and I don't mean realize it intellectually, but know it
within their heart. And that gives great comfort in knowing
that in your heart that we will meet again, That
there really is not a separation between those in spirit
(53:02):
and those of us here. The spirit world is right
here all around us. It's a matter of tuning into it.
I feel that is very, very comforting. And to know
that your soul is speaking to you, whispering to you
and saying this is really not the end. Death is
an illusion.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
Absolutely, what would you like your readers to take away
from the Art of Sensing.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
The knowledge that anything that happens here and again, using
the word knowledge, I'm using that not in the terms
of intellectual knowledge of facts, but knowing within the depths
of yourself that you are divine being who always has
the opportunity to transform, to reinvent yourself. You are the
(53:57):
phoenix rising from the ashes, whatever those whatever form those
ashes might have taken in your life, and to cross
the bridge of transformation. There's a whole chapter called the Bridge,
and that bridge is metaphoric in representing the bridge of transformation,
(54:20):
meaning change, and it's spiritual change, these deep, profound changes
that hopefully we go through during our physical journey.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
Here my guest, Carol Obi her new book, The Art
of Sensing, a Guide for staying true to your soul's
journey through challenging times. Carol, one more time, please share
with our listeners where they can get your books and
find out more about you and your amazing work.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
My website soul Visions dot net and the book. The
official publishing data is May the first, twenty twenty five
is It is currently available through Amazon dot com. My
website Barnes Andnoble dot com and my publisher, Collectiveinc.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Dot com and give us a little tease about the
one that's in progress right now.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
Yeah. Well, my working title is Spiritual Prescriptions, and it
will be remedies, so to speak, for different emotions. We
might have situations in life and viewing those from the
(55:38):
perspective of the soul. And I'm feeling probably little meditations
and exercises that one can do as part of the prescription.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
And you don't need any health insurance for that, right
you do not, Carol, thank you so much for coming
back and joining us and sharing all of your experiences,
your wisdom and your big heart.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
Oh, thank you so much. It's truly been my pleasure. Victor,
thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
And thank you for joining us on Destination Unlimited. I'm
Victor the Voice Furman. Have a wonderful week.
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