Pam Montgomery – Co-Creating with Nature

Air Date - 26 March 2025

The Earth is calling, and the time to answer is now. As we face a global shift, healing our separation from Nature is no longer optional—it’s essential. Only by reuniting with the living Earth can we co-create a world where all life—human and nonhuman—flourishes. My guest this week on Destination Unlimited, Pam Montgomery, says we can accomplish this by “co-creating with Nature. Pam Montgomery is an herbalist, Nature Evolutionary, international teacher, and Earth Elder who has passionately embraced her role as a spokesperson for the green beings. A founding member of United Plant Savers and the Organization of Nature Evolutionaries, she is the author of two books, including Plant Spirit Healing.

Her website is https://wakeuptonature.com/ and she joins me this week to share her path and new book, Co-Creating with Nature: Healing the Wound of Separation.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
My name is Victor Furman. Some call me the Voice.
I've always been fascinated with human nature, spirituality, science and
the crossroads at which they meet. Join me now and
we will explore these topics and so much more with
fascinating guests, authors and experts who will guide us to

(00:28):
Destination Unlimited. The Earth is calling and the time to
answer is now. As we face a global shift healing,
our separation from nature is no longer optional. It's essential.

(00:48):
Only by reuniting with the living Earth can we co
create a world where all life, human and nonhuman flourishes.
My guest this week on Destination Unlimited, Montgomery says we
can accomplish this by co creating with nature. Pam Montgomery
is an erbalist, nature evolutionary, international teacher and earth elder

(01:12):
who has passionately embraced her role as a spokesperson for
the Green Beings, a founding member of United Plant Sabers
and the Organization of Nature Evolutionaries, She's the author of
two books, including Plant Spirit Healing. Her website is wakeuptanature
dot com, and she joins me this week to share
her path and new book, co Creating with Nature Healing.

(01:36):
The wound of separation. Please join me in welcoming to
Destination Unlimited. Pamela Montgomery. Welcome, Pamela.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Very nice to be here. Victor, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Pam Your bio describes you as an herbalist, author, international teacher,
earth elder, and new paradigm thinker who has passionately embraced
her role as a spokesperson for the green beings and
has been investigating plants and their intelligence spiritual nature for
more than three decades. Please share with us your early

(02:10):
path and how this calling manifested for you.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Well, you know, I have that question asked me a lot,
and I have to say that it really goes all
the way back to when I was a kid, because
I was one of the lucky ones that had one
of those grandmothers that you just you know, she's like
you want to gobble her up. She's so incredibly wonderful.
And my grandparents this is my maternal grandparents, and they

(02:39):
lived in the eastern Hills of Kentucky, so the Appalachian Mountains,
and they were you know, when you say salt of
the earth, that's who they were. They were like these
people that were just of the land. They didn't they
didn't live on the land. They were part of the land,
and they were just so amazing. So she was a
plant person, and she had plants all through the house,

(03:02):
and you know then she had plants all all over
the place outside and in the in the South, you
eat your main meal at noontime, so she would spend
all morning in the kitchen and cooking and then cleaning
it all up. By around two or three o'clock in
the afternoon, she would come outside and she'd be picking
and pruning and you know, doing everything with her plants.

(03:25):
But she would she would talk the whole time. And
so I remember so distinctly going up to her, and
I was little, I was, you know, I mean maybe
at that point by oh seven, you know, kind of
the curious years. And and uh, I said, Granny, who
are you talking to? And she said, in her very

(03:47):
Kentucky accent, she said, well, plants are just like people.
They need friends too, And so so what happened, What
was so important about that was that I got the
message that you are in relationship with your with the plants.
You know, they're they're like your friends there and you

(04:09):
communicate with them. So as an herbalist, I feel like
I got this kind of jump start on. I just
assumed that that's the way it was, and I thought
that everybody did that. And then as I got older
and kind of got in the herbal world, it was like,
oh no, not everybody does do that. Not everybody does

(04:31):
things that way. So I just felt like I started
on this path very early of there's something about the
natural world in general, because I was when I went
for my summers to my grandparents place. I mean I
was just outdoors the whole time, and I was in

(04:52):
the stream, and I was you know, I was climbing
the trees and I was being with the plants. So
I feel like I've got a real head start because
of my grandparents, and they really encouraged all of that.
And then as I got older, I just I became

(05:12):
really well, what happened was things started to happen in
my garden that I couldn't explain, and I got really
interested in, like there's something else going on here. So
I really delved deeply into the bio intelligence, I guess,
if you want to call it that of plants, and

(05:33):
I got read everything I could get my hands on,
and I was having these experiences of so I realized, again,
this is early on, this was you know, this was
probably early thirties by this point, and I just realized,
there's a whole lot more than the chemical constituents, just
the chemical constituents to these plants. There's a whole lot

(05:55):
more going on. And that's what I want to know about.
I am really I'm gonna deal. So that's what I've done.
I just have gone deeply into this. The I would
have to say that there's the vast, vast intelligence of
the plant world. And then, of course I'm a real

(06:15):
nature girl, so I'm I'm outdoors a lot, and I'm
really really trying to understand what our part is in nature.
Then you know, we're a part of nature too. We're
an animal, We're a part of nature too, and so
what does that look like and how does that how

(06:36):
does that play out? And or not as the case
maybe and so anyway, I'm really fascinated by the whole
idea of being in partnership, co creative partnership with nature.
So that was kind of a lengthy answer to your question.
But that's how it all got started, and it just continues,
it continues to unfold. I'm not that that.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
It's a wonderful sir, it's not too long and interesting point.
You said that this really started manifesting for you in
your early thirties, and that's second chapter of life. And
many of us have a spiritual awakening in the second
chapter of life. Do plants have a spiritual awakening in
their second chapter?

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Oh? Yes? Well, okay, So here's the thing between plants
and people is that we're very symbiotically related. I mean,
we're way more related to plants than we are to
other animals. Some may you know, want to, you know,
kind of call me on that one and say, wait
a minute, you know, but I mean we breathe because

(07:40):
of plants. I mean real basic stuff here, which this
is not rocket science. This is real basic. It's like,
we breathe oxygen and the only oxygen on this planet
is from plants, trees, and sea vegetables. That's it. And
then we breathe out carbon dioxide, which the plants breathe in.

(08:00):
So we have this very just from something as simple
and mundane as breathing. We are already in relationship with
the plants. But then when you bring it into conscious awareness,
you bring it up a notch, and you become very
conscious that you're actually breathing in the outbreath of another being.

(08:22):
And then you're breathing out your outbreath and another being
is breathing it in. So there's this cycle of breath
between you and another another species on this planet. And
so it brings it into this this like, oh wow,
that's pretty profound. Wow that's actually oh I'm the breath
of another being. Oh that's pretty intimate. So it takes

(08:45):
it to a whole other level. So anyway, but here's
the cool thing is that plants have always preceded their
animal counterparts in evolution. So, for example, angiosperms, which are
flowering plants that have internal or have their reproductive organs,

(09:10):
you know, in intact within the plant, and so so
they evolved before mammals. Mammals are their animal counterpart, and
mammals needed something to eat, so angiosperms had to evolve first.
So this is the way it's been all through through
our evolution, is that the plants have always preceded their

(09:32):
animal counterparts in evolution. So I look at this and go, okay, well,
what is our evolution right now? And if you look
at it, it's like around about the sixties, maybe a
little earlier than that, but for sure in the sixties
there was this huge explosion of people being interested in
plants mostly that were open doors of perception, so psycho

(10:00):
tropic plants, cannabis, ones that just were like, oh, okay,
there's a there's another another whole dimensional reality here that
we haven't tapped into yet. So there was a huge
explosion of that in the sixties. And then from there
it was like flower Essences, which Edward Back was the
first one to kind of make bring them onto the scene,

(10:21):
and now there's like hundreds of flower essence companies and
what those are there. There's no there's no chemical constituents
whatsoever in the in the product. It is strictly the
vibratory resonance of the plants. Some would call that the
plant's signature. And it really works kind of like more

(10:43):
on emotional level. And then you know, some of the
work that I've done is with plant spirit healing, so
you don't really even have to ingest the plant at all.
It has to do with your relation with the plant
and how how well you can communicate with the plant
on what it is. The type of healing that needs

(11:03):
to be done. Now we're starting to do what's called
plant initiations, where the plants are actually stepping up to
take the role of the elder. Like in the old days,
initiations were young people coming into the tribe and the
elders would would would be the initiators to these young people.

(11:23):
And that's almost completely gone. It doesn't happen anymore. And
maybe in some rare places on the planet right now,
but it's pretty much so here we are a whole
culture's culture is full of uninitiated adults, which means we
don't know really how to live within the collective sanely.

(11:46):
And it's pretty obvious that we don't. And so these
plants are just preceding us in our spiritual evolution right now.
Or you might want to say, our raising of consciousness
to the next level where you know, hopefully we you know,
at least stop killing each other and destroying the planet.

(12:09):
So I feel like right now in this evolutionary process
of what the plant's evolution is is dependent on our evolution.
It's always the way it's been, and I feel like
we're right on this cusp. The plants are just ahead
of us. And if we would start to pay attention

(12:30):
to the plants in this way and let them guide us,
I feel like we're right on the cusp of a
huge leap in consciousness right now.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Well, yeah, it's exciting.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Absolutely. We're going to be discussing your new book, co
Creating with Nature Healing the Wound of Separation. But let's
start with your previous works. Tell us about your what
inspired your book Plant Spirit Healing A Guide to Working
with Plant Consciousness.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Well, well, as I just mentioned, you know, I went
into working in with well, I was just interested in
this larger aspect of the plants, and I found that
when I when I worked with the plants through communicating

(13:23):
and it's not plants don't communicate like we do. We do.
We make these sounds that come out of our mouth.
In the biological world, and this is all in the science.
In the biological world, the foundational way in which communication
takes place is through light and sound that carries a vibration.
So it's really this vibratory resonance, and the plants are

(13:47):
very good at. One of the things that the plants
are really good at is they confine tune their resonance
to us easier than we can to them where they're
not distracted, they're just being who they are, whereas we
get real distracted by everything else that's going on. And

(14:10):
you know, instead of like paying attention and being present
as we sit with plants and and we communicate and
we and we you know, experience the vibratory resonance of
the plant within our body. You know, we're getting distracted,
you know, balancing our checkbook in our head. Plants are
not doing that. Plants are just being plants. And so

(14:31):
what happens is because so the light, there's biophotons at
the nucleus of all all living all living organisms have biophotons,
particles of light at the nucleus of the cell, nucleus
of the cells at the DNA level. So when I'm
sitting with a plant and I'm being very present and

(14:53):
I'm focusing on that, you know that that I want
to be in communication with this plant, and the plants
easily doing that with me. Then what happens is what's
the two points of light in the nucleus is of
ourselves make a beam of light and they call it
a laser, they call it they actually call it a

(15:14):
laser beam. And that's called being coherent. And so when
we go into coherence, then there's this two way thing
that starts to happen. There's an exchange, and it's an
exchange of vibratory resonance. Now what I have experienced through
that is that everything, everything really has a vibratory resinence.

(15:40):
I mean, if it has a molecular structure, it vibrates.
So everything are and then also our thoughts, our feelings,
everything really has a vibratory resonance. And what happens when
you start to have this exchange is you start to
have sensations in your body. You start to you know,

(16:04):
from the sensations, what starts to bubble up our emotional
responses to the sensation. You start to be in what
I call the daydream of the plant. It's like you
are part of the daydream of the plant, and every
single thing that's going on around you in your environment

(16:25):
is part of that daydream, and all of it has meaning.
So you begin to kind of take all these bits
and pieces and they're like puzzle pieces and start to
put them together and like a picture forms and so yeah,
that's the best I can describe it. It might sound

(16:45):
really far out there, but it's not. I just want
you to know that that we because of our symbiotic
relationship to the plants and our longtime association with them,
it's that we actually do know how to do this
communication with them. It's just that our modern day life

(17:09):
is not super supportive, and it's it creates this like amnesia.
It's like we've fallen into this deep anichea and we've
forgotten that we are actually kin, that are that the
plants are our kin. We wouldn't be here without them.
We absolutely wouldn't be alive if it weren't for plants.

(17:29):
I mean, we don't make tissue from sunlight. Plants do that,
and they're the food. And if we didn't eat the plant,
then we ate an animal that ate the plant, so
on a physical level or totally relate, you know, in
symbiotic relationship with them. So so we actually it's in

(17:50):
our it's in our it's in our whole makeup. So
it's really a remembering process that we actually do know
the language of plants. And so did that answer your question?

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yes, and this is something that indigenous healers and shamans
have known for centuries.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yes, yes, and yes, many of them never forgot. We forgot,
but no, people who live close to the earth, it's
like they haven't forgotten how connected they are to nature.
It's those of us who have, you know, really gotten

(18:32):
entrenched in this modern world that you know, we're doing
other things that have nothing to do with nature really,
so we've just forgotten. And so it's a remembering process.
And how do we do that. Spend time with nature,
spend time with the plants, be there with them. I
happen to be in Belize right now. I spend my

(18:54):
winters in Belize, and I have fallen completely in love
with coconut palms, you know. And it's so funny because
I mean they're kind of like, oh, coconut palms. You know,
they're on you know, they line the beaches, and they're
they're everywhere, They're pretty much everywhere. Well, I have discovered

(19:14):
that when you lay underneath these palms and you're completely
present with them, and of course there's there's a key
element to laying underneath them. Don't lay directly underneath the
coconuts because they do fall out of those trees, and
you don't want one hitting you because they're heavy. So
you lay in the middle of you know, or on
the outer edges of so I have discovered these palm

(19:38):
trees that are just magnificent trees. They've got these great, big,
long branches. And then when they you know, there's always
a breeze on the beach. Oh man, they're waving in
the breeze. And then I have a friend here, Elaine,
and she she has a beach farm, and I'm like, oh,

(19:59):
a beach far uh huh, and what's that mean. She's
got forty different varieties of coconut palm on her beach farm,
and she just lets them drop. She doesn't whack them
out of the tree. She just lets them drop. She
has enough to drop that she every week she kind
of rotates through these these coconuts. She makes three gallons

(20:24):
of coconut oil a week. It's the most exquisite coconut
oil you've ever had in your entire life. And she
makes coconut milk and then from the meat of the coconut.
Oh my gosh, these coconuts have you could you could
probably just live on coconuts. I'm telling you, They're amazing. Anyway,
I'm I'm that's my new love, My new love is

(20:46):
palm trees, coconut palms.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
And that brings us to your newly published book, Cobaborating
with Nature Healing the Wound of Separation. In this book,
you share that being in partnership with nature is our birthright.
So many have forgotten this. What are the roots of
that forgetfulness?

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Well, that's a very good question, I I feel well,
I mean, there's a there's a lot of things, but
probably was the beginning of agriculture.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
And now it's being questioned about when that really was.
They're making new discoveries that it looks like it was
a lot early, you know, a lot further back than
what we originally thought, so you know, up to maybe
up to maybe twelve thousand years ago. But it's it's
kind of like when we stopped just hunting and gathering

(21:39):
and taking what was just there for us and started
putting seeds in the ground, and it was really the
beginning of the manipulation of nature and putting seeds in
the ground, not having to move around as much, started
storing grains, and you know, once you start storing storing things,
then you then you have something that's of value that

(22:02):
you can you you know, use later, and then of
course it moves into accumulating personal property, having property that's
just yours instead of the commons. I mean, you know,
way back then it was I mean people started living
in little villages, but they would go out together to

(22:23):
work the land and it was held in common. There
was no fences, there was none of that. And but
that began to change as as agriculture, and it got
into like, you know, then it did start to get
fenced in or more likely hedges, and there was domesticated animals,

(22:44):
and then then it moved into like the difference between
the wild and the domesticated, and the wild was beyond
the pale as the expression that was an expression in
the British Isles. If you went beyond the pale, with
the pale was like a area of land that kind
of was a designated point between your things that you

(23:07):
farmed and then what you didn't farm. And when when
you went beyond the pale, that was like, ooh, there's
the wild and you have to be careful because there's
wild animals out there. So people became afraid of the wild,
and so it just progressed to and then of course,
once you start to own land, and there's you know,

(23:28):
sequestering of resources, and then you know, then it's ownership
and then it's like, well I have I have more
grain than you have. So then it gets to be
a power trip and it just kind of snowballs from
there to the point of then we start to move

(23:49):
into empires. And then we get into the like the
empire thing and where there's oppression and and it usually
has to do with the the resources of the land.
It's like that's a lot of it. And so yeah,
and then and then you know, now it's like, I mean,

(24:12):
there's been so many empires that have come and gone
and we'll we'll see how that continues on, but it
probably will continue They come and go, and so you know,
then corporations become empires, and it just it just goes
on and on and yeah, and then and then so

(24:33):
kind of like once the you're the sovereignty is taken
from us, then that's the amnesia really sets in big time.
Once you're like you're you are not your own authority anymore.
It's taken from you, and then you start to forget

(24:53):
and then the stories stop being told about get handed
down from generation to gener and the young people don't
even know that what that land used to be and
what used to grow on that land, and that there
used to be this spring that was so gushing full

(25:14):
of pure wild water it fed the whole village. And
the young people don't even know that anymore. Nowadays, it's like,
you know, you mentioned broccoli and people are kids are like, oh,
what's that and what's that look like? I don't even
know what it looks like. So it's just been this
progression and to the point at which once we've lost that,

(25:40):
and we've lost and we stopped telling the stories of
the land, then we don't remember. We don't and it
only takes a generation. It takes one generation to forget absolutely.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
My guest is Pam Montgomery, her new book co Creating
with Nature, Healing the Wound of Separation. Pam, please share
with our listeners where you can get your books and
find out more about you and your work.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yes, my website is www dot wake Up too Nature
dot com. Wake Up to Nature is spelled allout dot com,
so you can find out what I'm doing and what
classes are happening, and you can you can certainly buy
my book there and I'll sign sign a.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Copy for you, and we'll be back with more. Pam
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Speaker 1 (27:02):
Back on Destination Unlimited. My guest this week Pam Montgomery.
Her new book is entitled co Creating with Nature, Healing
the Wound of Separation. Pam, you say that plants can
guide us in living according to our true essential nature.
How may we open to that guidance?

Speaker 2 (27:21):
My experience has been I described already, you know, kind
of coming into communication and what happens is that there's
like there's like this merge that that happens between humans
and the ability is there for e merging to happen.
So the way I see it is like the vibratory

(27:46):
resonance of the plant. I'm able to identify that through
the felt sensation. The felt sensation is a literal sensation,
like you know, tingling in your hands. That's a sensation.
So that's what I'm talking about. So I identify through
felt sensation the vibratory residence of the plant that's happening

(28:08):
somewhere in my body. My body registers it. I put
a handle on it. It's called putting a handle on
it where you with a few words you identify it,
or it might be a posture or some way you
identify that felt sensation, which is the vibratory resonance of
the plant. So then when now that you now that

(28:31):
you know what that vibratory resonance is, you can be
in communication with the plant at any given time, even
without the plant being present. So because you can tap
into it through the unified field, I would say, And

(28:54):
so what these plants do is they when you engage
with them on a healing level.

Speaker 5 (29:03):
What they do is they it's like going to the source,
which I would say is on a spiritual slash energetic level.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Because energy and spirit works together. Spirit being sentient energy
is just exists. It doesn't you know, it doesn't get
created or destroyed. It just is so the spirit, the
sentient spirit directs the energy. So it's at that level.
And so what happens with these plants is they can

(29:41):
go directly to that source level, the spirit slash energy level,
which is where disease or or compromise begins. It begins
at that level. By the time it reaches the physical level,
it's been hanging around for a very long time. So
ideally you catch it at that level. These plants have
a ability to do that. The other thing, this is

(30:03):
the other so incredibly cool thing, is that back to
the biophotons. So there was a man named Fritz Pop
and Albert fritz Pop he's passed on now that he
was a German biophysicist and he was the one that
discovered biophotons at the nucleus of the cells of all

(30:23):
living organisms. And he did work with plants. And what
he did was he found that cells that were compromised
or had weren't healthy let's put it that way, and
we're talking big stuff like cancer cells. He found he

(30:46):
said that the light at the nucleus of the cell
had gone awrye meaning that the pattern of the light
was not healthy, was not toward health. It was toward disease.
So what he did was he gave the biophotons from
certain plants to unhealthy cells, and what happened was the

(31:11):
light repatterned toward health. Now I call that leading edge.
This is what plants can do. And so, and it
happens at this vibratory level between light and sound. Sound
is a part of it, too. Light and sound on
this biophoton level, they're going right to the source and

(31:35):
they're healing at these source levels. So okay, that's not
your question, though. Your question is living according to your
true essential nature. So part of this whole being being
helping you to be as healthy as you possibly can.
Being true to your original blueprint. And our total original

(32:03):
blueprint is a brilliance. I mean, we're designed to be
quote unquote enlightened because we have all these particles of
light at the nucleus of all our cells. We only
have two intact strands of DNA, we have the potential
for twelve in tract strands of DNA. Anyway, that's a

(32:24):
whole nother, big, big conversation. So what these plants are
doing is really helping us to live according to our
true essential nature because they're helping us to come into
our own original blueprint of brilliance and that we are not.

(32:44):
You know, you mentioned to me earlier about a little
Bible story and that was kind of cute. But you know,
there's this whole thing about original sin and that were
born into original sin. Well, that came down later about
three hundred years after Christ became The Confessions of Saint

(33:07):
Augustine was what people are familiar with. Saint Augustine, who
was a Berber from northern Africa. He was the one
who talked about original sin. It was it's not in
the Bible. It was none of the words that Jesus
says anyway, So anyway, our original blueprint is of original brilliance.
That's who we are. That's really who we are. And

(33:29):
these plants help us to live according to our original blueprint,
which is that of brilliance. It's of being light, being
light beings and once this and they help us. I
feel like part of our evolution right now is more
of our DNA is becoming intact. More strands of DNA

(33:51):
are starting to line up, and I think there's even
children being born. They call them the blue babies and
Indigo children. And all of that that have more more
in tax strands of DNA, so it's all starting to happen.
And then epigenetically speaking, if we look at epigenetics, which
have to do with gene expression through more through our
environment and our experiences, then within one generation the DNA

(34:14):
expression can change. So I feel like, what's happening right now,
and it's such an exciting time to be alive, is
that we're more of our DNA is becoming intact, so
it's making beams of light because it's in a strand
instead of just little points of light. And so I
think what's happening is we're actually making use of this

(34:39):
DNA and as we do that, we become more and
more enlightened, Our consciousness raises more and more and more,
and we really move into who we truly are and
we start to realize that, oh, there's this whole other
way of being on this planet where we're interconnected. It's
called inter being. Actually were interconnected, were interdependent, and we

(35:04):
actually and they also use the word interpenetration, which is
about the merge where we have this capability of merging
with other species in order to thrive on this planet.
All life thrive, not just humans, all life. So I yeah,

(35:25):
it's exciting.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
And you talked about this before as plant initiation. You
offer the steps for creating and facilitating plant initiation with
common plants. Please share with us the basics of that initiation.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Okay, So, as I mentioned, initiations are basically young Originally,
we're young people coming into the tribe and finding their
place within the tribe. And usually they would take on
new names and all that, so they knew the place

(36:01):
and they knew how to be within that collective atmosphere,
collective tribal atmosphere. And so here we are now, and
the plants are stepping up to take on the role
of the elder to initiate us into what it means
to be truly human living walking the path we came

(36:25):
here to walk this time around, That's what they're doing.
So this initiation process is one of those ways to
answer your previous question of how do we live to
our true you know, how do we how do we
live according to our true essential nature? This is one
of the ways the plants are teaching us. So basically
what we do is the way I'm doing them. Are

(36:45):
three days where we are, we are focusing on one plant,
and I do not choose the plant, choose the plant
chooses me. The plant steps forward and says, I'm going
to be the initiator this year, and so that's who
it's going to be. And so we basically we make
and usually it's an ingestible plant. You can do plants

(37:07):
that are that you don't ingest the meaning the physical
properties of the plant, but you can work with the
flower essence, which there's no chemical constituents in that, so
you could do that. But usually we're working with ingestible plants,
which means we're creating what I call an elixir of
different parts of the plant, different mediums, water, alcohol, hydrosol,

(37:30):
which is the byproduct of distilling distillation process. Maybe you know,
if it's got a strong lot of all oils in it,
then we might work with the scent of the plant
as well. And so we make this elixer and everything
is done in a ceremonial context. So we are in

(37:52):
ceremony in this initiation, ceremonially for three solid days and
we ingest the We do do sixteen ounces a piece
of the of the elixir, and so we drink like
eight times. We'll do two ounces eight times throughout the
three days, and then we do all kinds of different
things with the plant. We'll do We'll do shamanic journeying

(38:17):
with the plant. We'll sit with the plant, of course
and do our communication thing. We embody the plant, so
like we make masks and we we actually take on
the plant. We embody the plant. We have a council.
We'll have a count. So if the plant is dandelion,
we'll have a council of dandelions around the fire at night,

(38:37):
and we speak for dandelion as if we are a dandelion,
so we're in council together. We do a process called
green breath, which is like transform transformational breath work, only
we're breathing specifically with whatever plant is the initiator, and
that is a super powerful process where we've seen spontaneous

(38:57):
healings happen during these these green bread sessions. We do
dismemberment journey, so we do all these we do. We
work with a labyrinth. Within the labyrinth with the plant
we do. We work with sound. So we do all
these different things with the plant, and by the end
of three days, I'm telling you people's lives have changed.

(39:19):
And you know this plant like lives inside you after
these initiations and you are come out of them like
a different person. It's it's quite phenomenal. So so yeah,
that's what that's basically what the initiations are. And you know,
there's a whole section in this new book of mine
that talks about how to prepare for an initiation and

(39:40):
then the whole process of doing the initiation, and then
there's a whole section on plants that we've done initiations
with and and what's come from those initiations, and so
it's quite it's quite powerful. I must say.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
I had an inadvertent what I would call natural initiation
with the Loveli azaleas in our small front garden that
was very healing for me during a time of grieving.
It actually inspired a poem that I wrote called the
Lesson of the Azaleas. Meshare that with you?

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Oh? Please?

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Do they return each spring in their full glory without
our hand and tending leave in three weeks. A very
short story, but no sadness in this ending, for they
grace us with signs of summer's return, lifting our spirits
with cheer, and we know they'll be back and blossom

(40:31):
again one full turn of the wheel of the year,
and the lesson they share with beauty and grace. Transition
is just Nature's way, a reminder will all return to
this place and blossom on some shining day.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
God, most beautiful Victor. I just love that so much.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Thank you, Thank you. It got me through the passing
of my mother. Actually, oh yes, that really helped me
process that grief and develop a deeper understanding. So thank
you for allowing me to share that.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
In the co creating with nature healing the wound of separation,
you offer six principles of developing the co creative partnership.
Please share a short description of these principles that the
readers will find in your book.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yes, and these are just this is I mean, I
feel like I'm just beginning this. This might be just
a scratch on the surface, and there may be a
whole bunch more principles that others come up with, but
these are the ones that have really stuck with me. Well. Communication,
which of course we've been talking about communication quite a bit,
and really discovering the vibratory resonance of the plants, So

(41:44):
that's an important one. Whenever you're in a partnership. I mean,
one of the key ingredients in a really healthy partnership,
I would say, is good communication. So that's one. There's
also this aspect of self love. And I say self

(42:04):
love because when you really know how to love yourself,
I mean, you really need to be able to love
yourself before you really can love another. And so there's
a whole process of going into self love. That's one
of them. And there's healing the split, which is kind
of the same thing as healing the separation, but the
split really it's where you discover the gifts. Every single

(42:31):
person carries gifts, every single plant carries gifts. We all
come in with gifts, and so this is where we
even when we think, oh, it's a poisonous plant. Oh
it gives me a rash. Oh, therefore it must be
not good. Now that's not true. It's just that, you know,

(42:52):
so we stop looking at it as the enemy and
we realize that, oh no, oh, well, that poisonous plant
actually is a really big protector plant and it can
really help protect us. So that would be an example.
So we look at that, we look at that of
the healing of the split, and then there's the thing
about trust and how important it is for us to

(43:14):
trust trust our own I call it the first voice.
It's like that primal knowing like that, which like just
it just is the first little, first little thing that comes.
That's the first voice. And so it's super important that
we go into our work with these plants realizing that
we can totally trust the plants. The plants are not

(43:37):
going to lie to us. They do not do that.
And so when we receive these touches from the plants
or these are these insights or these into our intuitions
from the plants, we can trust that. So yeah, and
then then there's this piece of about time. And this
has been so valuable for me, is that we've got

(43:59):
x internal time, which rules our lives, and then we've
got internal time. And the internal time is like you know,
being in your own rhythm. What is your rhythm and
what is your rhythm with nature? The tendency is when
you spend time in nature, quite a bit of it,
then you get on the same rhythm in the same
sink as nature. And what internal rhythm does or internal

(44:24):
time does, is it really helps you to be present.
You're not thinking about the future, and you're not dwelling
in the past. You just become in the present, and
in that present moment is where the magic happens and
you can like step into that inter dimensional reality. It's
so incredible. And this whole thing of external time, I

(44:46):
think has been one of the big ways in which
separation has happened, that we've gone into. The amnesia is
we're just on the clock all the time, and it's
helping us forget. And then there's of course joyful encounter.
And joyful Encounter is just exactly as it says, is

(45:06):
this interacting with nature in this way, this coming back
into the fold, this realizing that we're a part of
nature and that we can be in a co create
a partnership together. It is joyful and it's so much fun.
And we have these like wow moments or Aha moments
in nature and here we are just really being in

(45:28):
this space of joy and what better place to be
And so plants bring us to that place. And yeah,
so my.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
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Speaker 1 (47:57):
Back on Destination Unlimited. My guests this week Pam Montgomery
her new book co Creating with Nature, Healing the Wound
of Separation. Pam, you offer meditations as a means of
connecting with plant, energy and nature. Is there one that
stands out for you.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Oh my gosh, Well, there's a lot. I mean, it
depends on how you know, how detailed you want to
get here. But let's start at the let's start at
the very foundational level i'll call it, which is your breath.
And so I do this a lot, a lot with well,
with lots of people, but especially anybody new to like

(48:40):
this kind of work, or somebody who might well, yeah,
I would just I'll just keep it at that, anybody
who might be new to this. And really it's so
let's just take a minute and just you know, breathing
in and just be breathing deeply in, bring it all

(49:01):
the way down into your lower belly, and then breathing out,
and just feel that nice rhythm of breath. And maybe
you have a special tree that comes to mind, or
a plant, or maybe one of your houseplants even that

(49:23):
you might want to just bring them into your conscious awareness.
And as you breathe in oxygen, you become aware that
your plant or tree is breathing out oxygen as you
take your in breath of oxygen. And then as you

(49:47):
breathe out, you breathe out carbon dioxide, and you become
aware that your plant or tree is breathing in carbon dioxide.
And now as you realize that you are in a
cycle of breath with your plant or your tree breathing

(50:12):
in oxygen, which is the plants or trees out breath,
breathing out carbon dioxide, which is the plant or trees
in breath. Cycle of breath with another being. Every second
of every minute of every hour of every day, you

(50:35):
are in this cycle of breath with the green beings.
These green beings give you your very life. Feel how
connected you are through your breath. You're the breath of
another being. You share breath with another being. How intimate

(51:02):
this is. Realizing that you are in deep relationship to
this plant entry because they give you your very breath,
your very life. And taking one more nice deep breath,

(51:22):
being ingratitude for the gift being given to you by
your plant or tree, coming back into your awareness now
into this lovely chat that we're having. Now you can

(51:47):
do this type of breathing anytime because you've always got
your breath right with you. So this is a simple
meditation that brings you to a whole other level of
consciousness with the green world, plants, trees, sea, vegetables, and

(52:10):
everybody can do it. And it's simple. You can stand
in the grocery line and do this. Even all you
have to do is bring into your awareness, bring into
your mind's eye or into your heart a favorite tree
or a favorite plant, or if you love seaweed, then
bring that one into It is simple and at the

(52:34):
same time incredibly profound.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
You touched upon the expression heart coherence. Please tell us
what this means and how it applies to all of
this work.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Right, Well, our heart is the primary organ of perception,
and some may think it's our brain, but.

Speaker 7 (52:53):
It is not.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
The heart is what does all the perceiving, receives all
the data, brings it into the heart. Ideally, you are
in coherence with internally, meaning that again you're making this
between all of your cells. You're connecting all of your

(53:15):
biophotons together, making these coherent pathways. I'm going to say
of light, thus, vibratory resonance, energy, and the ideal is
that you are in total coherence with both your gut.
So we've got three areas of intelligence. We have our

(53:37):
heart intelligence. We have our gut intelligence, which is instinct
heart being on our emotional intuitive level. Then we have
our brain intelligence, which is the intellect. So ideally these
three are in sync together. And so your heart in
coherence helps you to instinctually know things. That's probably your gut,

(54:03):
is your instinctual brain or intelligence or brilliance if you will,
and that really helps you be super in touch with nature,
is on an instinctual level. And so your heart helps
you become coherent with your instinctual self and with your intellect.
So your heart tells your brain. Your heart says, Okay,

(54:26):
I'm going to decide. This is the decision I'm going
to make about all this data I have received. Here's
the decision. The heart makes the decision, sends that decision
to the brain says, here's what I've decided. Now, the
brain does what it's designed to do, which is carry
out the decision. That's what the brain is designed to do.

(54:46):
The brain is not designed designed to make the decision.
I need to be really clear about this because we
think sometimes that you know, if we just make a
decision in our brain, well no, it's it doesn't always
work out that well. So make your decision with your heart.
So that's what coherence is. I mean, that's a real

(55:06):
you know's the that's the twenty five cent version. There's
a whole book called The heartmath Solution that talks about
heart coherence and if you really want to go into
it deeply, that's a fabulous book. They're an incredible organization
that have done a ton of work with heart coherence. So,
but the heart is the big Khuna, and that's who's

(55:29):
we need to have the heart sitting on the throne
making the decisions.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
The green wisdom of Pam Montgomery her book co Creating
with Nature Healing the Wound of Separation. Pam, one more time,
please share with our listeners where they can get your
books and find out more about you and your wonderful work.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
They can go to my website Wake Uptnature dot com
and you can learn what I'm what kind of classes
are going on, and you can buy my book there
and I will sign it for you.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Pam, thank you so much for joining us and share
your experience, your wisdom and your big heart.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
You are so welcome and thank.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
You for joining us on Destination Unlimited. I'm Victor the
Voice Furman. Have a wonderful week.