September 12, 2024 • 14 mins
Janey welcomes Debb Cozzi back on the podcast to explore fall seed starting tips! Together, they discuss how to shift from starting annuals to perennials, with Debb sharing valuable insights on everything from understanding plant lifecycles to clever tips like using wet coffee filters and vermiculite on all her seeds. She’ll also share some of her successes, failures, and lessons learned as one very skilled seed starter.
Be sure to tune into the next episode for Part Two, where they’ll dive into the best seed-starting tips!Debb is a self-taught gardener who tends a two-acre property in rural San Diego County, Zone 9B. As Debb says, “The garden is a great teacher who whispers wisdom. My goal is to provide a place where you find beauty, encouragement, and friendship centered on the shared delight of gardening.”
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Be sure to tune into the next episode for Part Two, where they’ll dive into the best seed-starting tips!Debb is a self-taught gardener who tends a two-acre property in rural San Diego County, Zone 9B. As Debb says, “The garden is a great teacher who whispers wisdom. My goal is to provide a place where you find beauty, encouragement, and friendship centered on the shared delight of gardening.”
Check out Janey’s tour of Debb’s amazing property
Swallowtail Seed Company (Debb’s favorite seed supplier!)
For more from Debb, check out her instagram @acozzigarden.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Support for this podcast comes from Proven Winners, the plant
brand that gardeners of all experienced levels trust the most
and the brand that I have personally trusted in my
own gardening journey since twenty twenty. Proven Winners selections, including annuals, perennials, shrubs, trees, bulbs,
and even houseplants are simply amazing and all are trialed, tested,
(00:22):
and specifically chosen for one purpose and one purpose only
to ensure gardener success. Visit Provenwinners dot com and find
your next favorite plant today.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Callarogashawk Media.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Hi everyone, Jane here, welcome back to my garden and
welcome to the Dig Plant Water Repeat Podcast. If you
missed our last episode, you missed part one of our
conversation with Deb Cozy, so head back check it out,
and now let's pick it up again with part two
of Fall Seed starting. So, Dev, I want to hear
(01:13):
more about starting perennials from seed because I'm I'm good
at starting annuals. I can start annuals no problem. It's
the perennials that I'm a little intimidated about. So tell
me about your transition from starting annuals from seed to
starting perennials.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Well, I think for me with the perennials. So most
of the perennials I'm growing are native to the United States,
and so as I began thinking about how do I
want to germinate them, how do I want to grow them,
I started looking about where they're from.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
So, you know, a lot of the.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I grow penstemen, Akenesia, rude Bekia, Choreopsis, Gallardia. They're all
native to various regions at the United States. And so
if you start obviously you can look and you can
find the information about what's recommended about how to start
the seeds and everything. But if you start thinking about
(02:08):
the life cycle of where those plants grow naturally, I
think it helps you in understanding what the germination process is.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I'll take one instance.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah, acin Asia grows in the prairies of the Midwest
the right, so they get snow.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
In the wintertime.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
They need they don't need cold stratification, but they need
cold stratification. I have grown achin Asia without cold stratifying them,
and I get germination, but not as good.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
As if I do them. And what is it like?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
What are those seeds doing in the frozen planes of Iowa?
You know, in the middle of winter, the snow is melting.
It's not dry, it's you know, it's it's kind of moist.
So it's like it's a moist cold stratification, right.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
So explain can you explain what cold stratification is?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
So, cold stratification is a period of time that a
seed needs to be cold, built low, a certain chilled
for a certain temperature. And typically it's you know, somewhere
in the thirties or forties, and it will vary depending
on you know, what the plant is, but it needs that,
it needs some period of chilling time. And I have
(03:25):
with my Akenesha, I've done it. I've done it three
I've done it all three ways. I've just taken the
seed and planted it as if I would do any
other annual. I have taken the seed and just put
the seed packet in the refrigerator and left it there
for a month. I have this year, and I've had
in both of those instances, i've had germination. But with
(03:45):
the one I've had maybe twenty percent germination when I
put it in the refrigerator, I have fifty to sixty
percent germination. Well, I want to amp that up because
I want more and more plants. So here I am
trying cold moist cold stratification.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
So what I've done is I've just taken.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Coffee filters, gotten the coffee filter damp, sprinkled the seeds
on top of the coffee filter, folded the coffee filder
filter up, and put it in as a blocked bag
and put it in my refrigerator. So the seed is
getting a little bit of moisture. It's not a dry
cold stratification that it would be if it was just
sitting in its envelope. But it's got a little bit
(04:26):
of moisture is it's sitting in that coffee filter. And
then a month from now and well, I we're two
weeks out, so I put him in two weeks ago.
So two weeks from now, I'm going to take them
out of the refrigerator and I'm going to do the
same thing like I do with my annual. I mean,
the planting process is really the same. You have your
sea trays. The majority of my stuff I do start
(04:50):
in sea trays. I do direct so my wildflower meadow.
But you know things that I want to be intentional
about layer I want them to grow.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
It's just easier here.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
So I'll prepare my seat trains.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I'll plant them according to the directions I'll have to look.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I don't know off the top of my head.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I think ecnation needs sunlight in order to Germany, or
light in order to Germany.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
So I'll just lay them directly on the top of
the soil mixture.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I always use vermiculite as a top dressing on you
do regardless. I just find it every day, every depending
on now, if it is a seed that needs light
to aid extermination, I do it. I do a very
light brush vermiculate so the light I can get it varied.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Then I do you know, I'll do it heavier.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
But I just find that the vermuculi it helps with gnats,
it helps with moisture control.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
It just and it's a visual for me.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
You can tell if the seed train needs to be
watered because it gets kind.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Of dry and white.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
You can see it on the dry It's a clue.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
For you, you know, Oh you know. I mean, I
think one of the biggest veils that I have had
as somebody that starts from things from seeds, is I
take too good a care of.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
My plant of the seeds.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
You love them too much.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
I love too much. I want them out, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
So if you have those visual clueses, no, I know
you want to water them, but they don't.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Need to be watered right now.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, to the top of the surface just gets a
little bit dryer.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
And then you can go ahead and dry and do it.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
So for all those reasons, I use formiculi because it's
just a good tool and I've had great success with it.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
So I got to get my vermiculate out. I haven't.
I just haven't been using it.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I haven't been using it, and I love what you're
saying about the perennials is just kind of mimicking their
natural their natural you know their nature, you know what
they would do in nature. Because because you're right, if
the native area for Achanetia is the planes where it
does freeze.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Yes, that's exactly what we should be doing, you know. Yeah, yeah,
it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
You will find you know, if you if you if
you look online and you do research, some people will
recommend doing a cold stratification. Some people don't even mention
doing cold stratifications.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
So you know, you can find anything, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Any thing, and you know, I am not one to
say it must be done one way.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
I say, do what works for you.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
And and the learning process is so valuable. You know
you're going to you're going to make mistakes, you're going
to have I have had things that have not but
you know, I've had an entire seventy to cell country
and not a thing came up, and you know, thought,
what the heck did I do wrong? But you learn,
you know, you learn as you go along. And the
(07:40):
nice thing about seeds is it's not an expensive lesson.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
You know, yeah, you're not killing one hundred dollars plan.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Yeah, it's a pack of seeds. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, So Dub, when somebody's listening to you talk about
all the seeds that you're starting for your two acre garden,
I mean when I first met you, I imagine that
you had like this, this whole extra house for seeds starting.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Tell everybody how big your seeds starting station.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
My seed standing trade we have.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
We have one spare bedroom and I have a let's see,
I'm looking at it right now, one two three, four
five six shelf rack that I got at a big
box store. It is twenty one white, twenty one by.
I think, yeah, maybe it looks like it's five feet
(08:39):
yeah with you know, so twenty inches by five feet and.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
You know, so you start all of this on one
rack in a spare bed room. I do.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
I do incredible.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
That's just incredible because I feel like it's a really
like it's a misconception that you need a whole basement
or you need, you know, a whole shed to start seeds.
But here you are, you're doing You're like, you can
flex all you want on your seed starting skills, and
you're doing it with one rack.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
How do you get it all to fit?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Well, here's the thing, and this is one of the
best benefits about seeds starting.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
You don't do it all at the same time.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
You be mindful about what you're planting when you're planting it,
and not everything you know comes up at the same time.
I start some seeds in the fall, and I plant
I mean in the late summer, and I plant them
out in the fall. I start some things in the
winter and I plant them out in the early spring.
I start some things in the spring and I plant
them out in the late spring.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
So and there's even things, you.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Know, if I'm trying to squeeze in one last batch
of zenias or something that I will you know, count
and see, Okay, I got ninety days.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
I think I can do it just enough time.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
You know, I'll start in the you know, in the summer,
and I'll plant it out in the late summer. So
and I think also, I have to say, I live
in so nine B, so it allows me I garden
you around.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
So for somebody that's in a zone four and they're
listening to this, they're going to be like, what are
you talking about. I acknowledge that, and I totally understand it.
You know, we are really blessed in the you know,
in the climate that we live in and stuff. So
I do garden your round, which means I start seeds
year round. So it's not like one big massive seeds
(10:23):
that I'm doing in this you know in the late
winter early spring and planting everything out in the spring.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Right, It's kind of a year long process.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
So I'm always cycling in different things and you know
the other thing as much as I'm able, depending on
what insect pressure there is and roading pressure, I plant
my stuff out early.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
They're young usually, and.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
I think really the younger, the.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Earlier you can get things in the ground. The better
they are going to do. Now, more babies, more babies.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
And I'm not saying, you know, any bitty bitty although
when I climb my nissianthus out, they literally have two
true leaves.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
They are timy, and they're in a raised bed.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
And I do have it covered so that I can
protect it from you know, insect pressure and that kind
of thing. But you know, most of most it varies.
It depends on what I'm growing. Most things I will
plant out once they have three sets of true leaves,
four sets of true leaves, and as long as they're
they have enough of it have a root system that
(11:29):
it's holding together.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
When you try to take it out of the seed tray,
you put it in the grow.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I plot it up into a bigger plant, right into
a bigger pot. If you put if you've already got
the ground prepared, put it in the ground and let it,
put it on, you know, let it develop its its whole.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
You know, it's like, okay, this is your home. Now
send those roots down, start growing.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Settling.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Baby.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
I love it. I love so.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
That's another thing. And you know, obviously you have to
allow the time for yeah, partying off and all that
kind of.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Totally yeah, I just I love it.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I'm like going to go start a whole bunch of
seeds right now after listening to this. I just I
think it's fantastic. Thank you so much for sharing it
with all of us. And we need an update on
your on your echinationia, your.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Your moist stratification, like we need to hear. So make
sure you post that on your Instagram.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Will I on my Instagram, I have a little highlight wheel.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Now.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Some of my friends that followed were like, can you
because most of my seeds starting stuff because it's not
the prettiest looking kind of stuff, you know, I don't
post it on my feet.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Because it's on it's on your stories on.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
My stories well the stories only yes, last for twenty
four twenty four hours, So I did have several friends
who are like, I need to be able to reference that.
Could you just save that as a highlight. So I've
started doing that, so all my seeds starting stuff is
saved as a highlight so you can go in and
you know.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Kind of around the perfect and all link Deb's Instagram
down below. It's called a Cozy Garden and it's aco
zz I, which is Deb's last name. I love that
and yeah, keep us updated with all of this, and
I just I'm so inspired with this and it just
makes it. It makes gardening so accessible for people to
(13:21):
be able to grow and have such a beautiful garden
like your garden that you've grown mainly from seeds. So huge,
huge thank you Deb for being with us today.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Welcome sweet Hi.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Yeah, a huge thank you.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I thank for our friendship.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
And I know I love talking to Deb. She makes
me feel good every time I talk to her.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
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Speaker 2 (14:45):
Callarogashawk Media
Support for this podcast comes from Proven Winners, the plant
brand that gardeners of all experienced levels trust the most
and the brand that I have personally trusted in my
own gardening journey since twenty twenty. Proven Winners selections, including annuals, perennials, shrubs, trees, bulbs,
and even houseplants are simply amazing and all are trialed, tested,
(00:22):
and specifically chosen for one purpose and one purpose only
to ensure gardener success. Visit Provenwinners dot com and find
your next favorite plant today.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Callarogashawk Media.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Hi everyone, Jane here, welcome back to my garden and
welcome to the Dig Plant Water Repeat Podcast. If you
missed our last episode, you missed part one of our
conversation with Deb Cozy, so head back check it out,
and now let's pick it up again with part two
of Fall Seed starting. So, Dev, I want to hear
(01:13):
more about starting perennials from seed because I'm I'm good
at starting annuals. I can start annuals no problem. It's
the perennials that I'm a little intimidated about. So tell
me about your transition from starting annuals from seed to
starting perennials.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Well, I think for me with the perennials. So most
of the perennials I'm growing are native to the United States,
and so as I began thinking about how do I
want to germinate them, how do I want to grow them,
I started looking about where they're from.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
So, you know, a lot of the.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I grow penstemen, Akenesia, rude Bekia, Choreopsis, Gallardia. They're all
native to various regions at the United States. And so
if you start obviously you can look and you can
find the information about what's recommended about how to start
the seeds and everything. But if you start thinking about
(02:08):
the life cycle of where those plants grow naturally, I
think it helps you in understanding what the germination process is.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I'll take one instance.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah, acin Asia grows in the prairies of the Midwest
the right, so they get snow.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
In the wintertime.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
They need they don't need cold stratification, but they need
cold stratification. I have grown achin Asia without cold stratifying them,
and I get germination, but not as good.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
As if I do them. And what is it like?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
What are those seeds doing in the frozen planes of Iowa?
You know, in the middle of winter, the snow is melting.
It's not dry, it's you know, it's it's kind of moist.
So it's like it's a moist cold stratification, right.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
So explain can you explain what cold stratification is?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
So, cold stratification is a period of time that a
seed needs to be cold, built low, a certain chilled
for a certain temperature. And typically it's you know, somewhere
in the thirties or forties, and it will vary depending
on you know, what the plant is, but it needs that,
it needs some period of chilling time. And I have
(03:25):
with my Akenesha, I've done it. I've done it three
I've done it all three ways. I've just taken the
seed and planted it as if I would do any
other annual. I have taken the seed and just put
the seed packet in the refrigerator and left it there
for a month. I have this year, and I've had
in both of those instances, i've had germination. But with
(03:45):
the one I've had maybe twenty percent germination when I
put it in the refrigerator, I have fifty to sixty
percent germination. Well, I want to amp that up because
I want more and more plants. So here I am
trying cold moist cold stratification.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
So what I've done is I've just taken.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Coffee filters, gotten the coffee filter damp, sprinkled the seeds
on top of the coffee filter, folded the coffee filder
filter up, and put it in as a blocked bag
and put it in my refrigerator. So the seed is
getting a little bit of moisture. It's not a dry
cold stratification that it would be if it was just
sitting in its envelope. But it's got a little bit
(04:26):
of moisture is it's sitting in that coffee filter. And
then a month from now and well, I we're two
weeks out, so I put him in two weeks ago.
So two weeks from now, I'm going to take them
out of the refrigerator and I'm going to do the
same thing like I do with my annual. I mean,
the planting process is really the same. You have your
sea trays. The majority of my stuff I do start
(04:50):
in sea trays. I do direct so my wildflower meadow.
But you know things that I want to be intentional
about layer I want them to grow.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
It's just easier here.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
So I'll prepare my seat trains.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I'll plant them according to the directions I'll have to look.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I don't know off the top of my head.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I think ecnation needs sunlight in order to Germany, or
light in order to Germany.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
So I'll just lay them directly on the top of
the soil mixture.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I always use vermiculite as a top dressing on you
do regardless. I just find it every day, every depending
on now, if it is a seed that needs light
to aid extermination, I do it. I do a very
light brush vermiculate so the light I can get it varied.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Then I do you know, I'll do it heavier.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
But I just find that the vermuculi it helps with gnats,
it helps with moisture control.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
It just and it's a visual for me.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
You can tell if the seed train needs to be
watered because it gets kind.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Of dry and white.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
You can see it on the dry It's a clue.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
For you, you know, Oh you know. I mean, I
think one of the biggest veils that I have had
as somebody that starts from things from seeds, is I
take too good a care of.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
My plant of the seeds.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
You love them too much.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
I love too much. I want them out, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
So if you have those visual clueses, no, I know
you want to water them, but they don't.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Need to be watered right now.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, to the top of the surface just gets a
little bit dryer.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
And then you can go ahead and dry and do it.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
So for all those reasons, I use formiculi because it's
just a good tool and I've had great success with it.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
So I got to get my vermiculate out. I haven't.
I just haven't been using it.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I haven't been using it, and I love what you're
saying about the perennials is just kind of mimicking their
natural their natural you know their nature, you know what
they would do in nature. Because because you're right, if
the native area for Achanetia is the planes where it
does freeze.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Yes, that's exactly what we should be doing, you know. Yeah, yeah,
it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
You will find you know, if you if you if
you look online and you do research, some people will
recommend doing a cold stratification. Some people don't even mention
doing cold stratifications.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
So you know, you can find anything, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Any thing, and you know, I am not one to
say it must be done one way.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
I say, do what works for you.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
And and the learning process is so valuable. You know
you're going to you're going to make mistakes, you're going
to have I have had things that have not but
you know, I've had an entire seventy to cell country
and not a thing came up, and you know, thought,
what the heck did I do wrong? But you learn,
you know, you learn as you go along. And the
(07:40):
nice thing about seeds is it's not an expensive lesson.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
You know, yeah, you're not killing one hundred dollars plan.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Yeah, it's a pack of seeds. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, So Dub, when somebody's listening to you talk about
all the seeds that you're starting for your two acre garden,
I mean when I first met you, I imagine that
you had like this, this whole extra house for seeds starting.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Tell everybody how big your seeds starting station.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
My seed standing trade we have.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
We have one spare bedroom and I have a let's see,
I'm looking at it right now, one two three, four
five six shelf rack that I got at a big
box store. It is twenty one white, twenty one by.
I think, yeah, maybe it looks like it's five feet
(08:39):
yeah with you know, so twenty inches by five feet and.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
You know, so you start all of this on one
rack in a spare bed room. I do.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
I do incredible.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
That's just incredible because I feel like it's a really
like it's a misconception that you need a whole basement
or you need, you know, a whole shed to start seeds.
But here you are, you're doing You're like, you can
flex all you want on your seed starting skills, and
you're doing it with one rack.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
How do you get it all to fit?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Well, here's the thing, and this is one of the
best benefits about seeds starting.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
You don't do it all at the same time.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
You be mindful about what you're planting when you're planting it,
and not everything you know comes up at the same time.
I start some seeds in the fall, and I plant
I mean in the late summer, and I plant them
out in the fall. I start some things in the
winter and I plant them out in the early spring.
I start some things in the spring and I plant
them out in the late spring.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
So and there's even things, you.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Know, if I'm trying to squeeze in one last batch
of zenias or something that I will you know, count
and see, Okay, I got ninety days.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
I think I can do it just enough time.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
You know, I'll start in the you know, in the summer,
and I'll plant it out in the late summer. So
and I think also, I have to say, I live
in so nine B, so it allows me I garden
you around.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
So for somebody that's in a zone four and they're
listening to this, they're going to be like, what are
you talking about. I acknowledge that, and I totally understand it.
You know, we are really blessed in the you know,
in the climate that we live in and stuff. So
I do garden your round, which means I start seeds
year round. So it's not like one big massive seeds
(10:23):
that I'm doing in this you know in the late
winter early spring and planting everything out in the spring.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Right, It's kind of a year long process.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
So I'm always cycling in different things and you know
the other thing as much as I'm able, depending on
what insect pressure there is and roading pressure, I plant
my stuff out early.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
They're young usually, and.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
I think really the younger, the.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Earlier you can get things in the ground. The better
they are going to do. Now, more babies, more babies.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
And I'm not saying, you know, any bitty bitty although
when I climb my nissianthus out, they literally have two
true leaves.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
They are timy, and they're in a raised bed.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
And I do have it covered so that I can
protect it from you know, insect pressure and that kind
of thing. But you know, most of most it varies.
It depends on what I'm growing. Most things I will
plant out once they have three sets of true leaves,
four sets of true leaves, and as long as they're
they have enough of it have a root system that
(11:29):
it's holding together.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
When you try to take it out of the seed tray,
you put it in the grow.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I plot it up into a bigger plant, right into
a bigger pot. If you put if you've already got
the ground prepared, put it in the ground and let it,
put it on, you know, let it develop its its whole.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
You know, it's like, okay, this is your home. Now
send those roots down, start growing.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Settling.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Baby.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
I love it. I love so.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
That's another thing. And you know, obviously you have to
allow the time for yeah, partying off and all that
kind of.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Totally yeah, I just I love it.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I'm like going to go start a whole bunch of
seeds right now after listening to this. I just I
think it's fantastic. Thank you so much for sharing it
with all of us. And we need an update on
your on your echinationia, your.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Your moist stratification, like we need to hear. So make
sure you post that on your Instagram.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Will I on my Instagram, I have a little highlight wheel.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Now.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Some of my friends that followed were like, can you
because most of my seeds starting stuff because it's not
the prettiest looking kind of stuff, you know, I don't
post it on my feet.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Because it's on it's on your stories on.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
My stories well the stories only yes, last for twenty
four twenty four hours, So I did have several friends
who are like, I need to be able to reference that.
Could you just save that as a highlight. So I've
started doing that, so all my seeds starting stuff is
saved as a highlight so you can go in and
you know.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Kind of around the perfect and all link Deb's Instagram
down below. It's called a Cozy Garden and it's aco
zz I, which is Deb's last name. I love that
and yeah, keep us updated with all of this, and
I just I'm so inspired with this and it just
makes it. It makes gardening so accessible for people to
(13:21):
be able to grow and have such a beautiful garden
like your garden that you've grown mainly from seeds. So huge,
huge thank you Deb for being with us today.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Welcome sweet Hi.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Yeah, a huge thank you.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I thank for our friendship.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
And I know I love talking to Deb. She makes
me feel good every time I talk to her.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
All Right, everyone, I hope you enjoyed this and I
hope you all have a chance to get in your
garden today. Thank you so much to my podcast sponsor,
Proven Winners. Visit your local garden center today and look
for the white containers featuring the Proven Winner's logo. There's
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(14:02):
like me trust the most. Visit Proven Winners dot com
for tips, ideas, and so much more. Dig Plant Water
Repeat is produced in association with Klaroga Shark Media. It
was written and hosted by me Janie Santos, with marketing
and production assistance from Courtney Clark. Please consider subscribing and
(14:22):
watch us on YouTube or follow us on your favorite
podcast app of choice to get alerts on all new episodes.
And hey, if you like the show, give us a
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are Mark Francis, John McDermott, and Janie Santos.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
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