Final Destination (2000) The Fear of Fate – A Tribute to Tony Todd - Do You Even Movie? Exploring Obscure Gems and Cult Classics

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Why did you get off the plane? I got the feeling.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I saw a plane. It's not finished my nose. Next,
who are you guy?

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Now? Final destination Rated R.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
In a world where podcasts reign supreme, Two Friends dare
to ask? Do you even?

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Movie? Hosted by filmmaker Enrique Kuto and movie aficionado David Denyer.
Spoiler alert. That makes me a little sad.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Why is that?

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Well? You just pointed out that the gentleman who played
Bob in the new Thunderbolts Marvel movie is Bill Pullman's son. Correct,
that's awesome, But I'm I'm starting to get annoyed because
so many actors that are like making a big splash
right now are NEPO babies.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
This is a bad time to mention that. Why Russell
Kurt Russell Sun was Captain America?

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I knew that, Okay, making sure, but that's my point,
but not just in that, Like, think about for a
second the substance got nominated for an Oscar. That actress
is what's her name's daughter? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Are you talking about a Whaley? Uh? What's her last name?
Why can't I think of her name?

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Don't know? Maybe you don't like women?

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Shut up? That's not it.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Oh so that doesn't have any effect on it.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
My god, stop it. You're gonna make me lose it.
What is her fuck name?

Speaker 1 (02:01):
You have a computer?

Speaker 2 (02:03):
I wanted to look at it because I'm very ashamed
because normally I know that name.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Margaret Quality. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Quality.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah. I mean she's a NEPO baby yep. And you know,
saying NEPO baby is a little harsh except that, I
mean they are, like a lot of these actors are
literally direct children of movie stars, and you know, having
that access to show business is a big advantage.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
No, I mean absolutely is. But at the same time,
I will say that at least they're giving good performances.
I will, I will give that credit. I mean, yeah,
the NEPO baby thing is is definitely a topic that
is hot, right.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I feel like it hasn't come up a lot lately.
Like I didn't even know Margaret Qually that her mother was.
I'm trying to remember her mother's name. I mean, I
know where because she was in Scrooged and a bunch
of stuff. Oh oh wait, or no, am I wrong?

Speaker 2 (02:57):
I say, are you no?

Speaker 1 (02:58):
I think I'm wrong? Okay, no, no, Yeah. Andy McDowell McDowell. Okay, okay,
Andy McDowell was her mom. Yeah, took me a second
to remember.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
And also, Andy mcdoll's not unscrewed. You're thinking that's Karen Allen.
You're thinking of groundhog Day.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
No, you're totally right. No, I was totally I was
envisioning groundhog Day. Yeah, like entire like I was totally
off on that one, but I'm not. It just bummed
me out because you everybody was so excited about like,
oh man, and then they were so mad that, you know,
the substance didn't win, you know, didn't win it.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
No, it is pretty good.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
But what all I'm saying is, but then it was like,
but she's like the daughter of Hollywood people. Yeah, like majorly.
You know, when I wanted to break into being a
director in major movies, you know, nobody was like, well, hey,
his dad served at the Northeastern Correction Facility, let's get
him on on a set.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
But sorry, will report that Mikey Madison is not a neo.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Baby, I know, no, no, and and and that's not curious.
Oh sure, well and that's not because my point isn't
that there's nothing but nepo baby. Yeah, my point is
that I'm surprised how many are like jad jack Quaid,
who's in everything out and and that doesn't mean he's
not great, but you know, But also then it's like,
is this just an argument for eugenics? Yeah, Dave's like,

(04:12):
where are you going with this? But no, no, like
I don't. It's hard because it's not like I don't
enjoy their performances, but there is a part of me
that's like, your parents literally have such a massive foot
in the door in this business. So it is a
little hard sometimes to realize, like, oh, like the big

(04:34):
indie you know, movie that everybody was rooting for was
gonna like overturn the system. It's like they cast literally
a famous person's kit.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
But then I guess my question would be, do you
feel the same way on that track if like, for instance,
Joe Hill, who submitted his work as Joe Hill, didn't
tell anybody he was King's son until he was as
signed author.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Well that's I mean, first of all, I'm sure that
probably still helped.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah somewhat.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
I'm sure he had contacts and stuff from that. Yeah,
it I think it's a a little different when you're
writer a writer, maybe I mean, because when you're an actor,
it's all about like your look and stuff like that.
I think it would be less likely that Joe Hill's
writing would heavily immediately remind people of Stephen King's writing
compared to like, if they were actors, they'd be like,
you remind me of somebody who was really good, you know,

(05:17):
assuming that Stephen King were a good actor, which he's not.
Oh no, I love you know, throughout my childhood those
moments where I go, hey, that's Stephen King.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
What's his line in Creep Show two? When you get it?
When he the hitchhiker segment when he gets out of the.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Guy got creamed lady or guy got cream man happens
all the time? What happened to her? Guy got cream
happens all the time? And he lights up a road flare. No,
but it just it's just something that I've been thinking about,
especially since Stranger Things when Ethan Hawk and Uma Thurman's daughter,
who I feel bad I'm not remembering her name off
the top of Mayahawk, Yeah Maya, yeah, yeah, Mayahawk. I

(05:58):
felt back because when I found out she was literally
daughter of two famous actors, I was like, man, you
know and and it's funny because you know, they used
to make fun of b movie makers when they would
cast you know, Bruce Springsteen's sister or you know, the
esteve as nobody seems to know. But you know, in
this case, like I never once heard mention of of

(06:22):
Margaret Qually's mother. Oh yeah, Like I had never heard
a word about that.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
I think I only found out via an interview that
she was talking about and her mom did get brought.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Up well, and apparently Rainy Qually, her sister, is also
an actress. I think she's a bit younger is she's
born in nineteen ninety, so I think she's actually a
little older. But oh yeah, yeah, she's been in a
ton of stuff. But like, yeah, it's just I don't know,
I don't know what I didn't have, like a point
I was trying to brilliantly make about that. Yeah, but

(06:53):
sometimes I do kind of go like wow, and I'm shocked.
I'm just shocked. I don't hear more people talking about that.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
I feel like it was a hot topic there for
a bit, like I because I feel like it was
everybody had input on it that had kids in Hollywood,
especially because like even Jamie Lee Curtis was like writing
about NEPO babies at one point, because I mean she
is one obviously, sure of course, so but.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, and I think having the longevity of like a
Jamie Lee Curtis is evidence of her talent. And also
I want to say, it does not mean they're not talented. No,
absolutely no, they just had a very very strong advantage.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, very much.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, but it's it's just an odd thing to think about,
it is.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
But I mean, at the same time, I cannot put
down the fact that, like, like I said that, that
they're giving great performances, especially Lewis Pullman and Thunderbolts. I
mean that performance really tugged my heart strings for a
good bit.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Sure, No, I agree, It's just yeah, it's just something
that kind of pops into my head every now, and
this is I'm like watching it, I'm like, oh wow,
Like everything I'm watching is like two or three main
characters are a famous person's kit.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Well smile too, yeah, Jack Nicholson's son. And that was
not hard to figure out.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
No, well, I mean it was very on the nose casting.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
So, and that doesn't mean that they're not going to
be good or that they don't deserve it. It's just
kind of like I remember when everybody was talking about
Sydney Sweeney's family because you know, they're all normal Americans
is a good way to put it. They're they're they're
just not you know, California type people. Yeah, and she
was just kind of like, well, I have to send
money home, unlike a lot of the people that I

(08:23):
got my start with in show business, whose families were
financing their entire careers. Yeah, and getting them all the
connections at the same time.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
So I don't know. I don't know, because like at
the same time, like I I loved the performances of
like Mayahawk's a phenomenal actress. Yeah, So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Well, I mean there is also the argument to be
made that is it too much of a power to
have that influence, because like one of the biggest ones
I can think of is how everybody was shitting on
Trap because they basically said that Shyamalan had given his
daughter her own concert movie.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
I mean he did, yeah, but if you I mean yeah,
but I will say no, no, no, Well, I mean when
you get cast when your dad's the director, that's a
whole other, whole thing. Yeah, that's that's just your dad
wants to cast his kid. I don't that I see.
I find that fine. It's more just the idea, like
you could get a lot of meetings in Hollywood when

(09:17):
when you have a parent tied into it. And that
doesn't mean they shouldn't. I mean, we wouldn't have Bill
and Ted's excellent Adventures if it wasn't for a degree
of nepotism. Although from what I remember hearing, oh gosh,
Alex Wonder or no, no, no, the guys who developed one
of them was are you gonna kill me? Now? I'm
having a little off day. I'm having a little yeah,

(09:40):
a little off day concentration wise. Chris Matheson is is
the you know, the famous writer, Uh, Richard Matheson. That's
his That's that's his dad, is Richard Matheson, who wrote
a ton.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Episodes. Yeah, I mean Matheson is a big name.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
But what from what I recall, when he wrote the
stuff for Bill and Ted, his dad sent it to
like all his friends and they all were just like, uh,
we got nothing for this. Yeah, so you know, it
doesn't mean it'll guarantee to help you I forgot.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
That Matheson wrote Goofy movie. Mm hmm, forgot about that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Well, and and that's the other thing is a lot
of people don't realize Chris Matheson is Richard Matheson's kid.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, so I don't know. Uh oh, rapture palooza.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Also, he also wrote Mom and Dad Saved the World.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
I just saw that, yeah, which I've I've been wanting
to revisit that, but it's been a good bit.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
That was.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
That was when I saw on TV. I don't even
think I've ever seen an uncut I.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Mean I saw it on on like HBO. Yeah, no,
I love Mom and Dad Saved the World. That's one
that will forever have a hot a soft spot in
my heart because it was on HBO and Cinemax so much. Yeah,
I saw it so many times.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Well, I uh, it's funny with with Thunderbolts in particular
having having the Nepa babies and whatnot. Because like I've
been I've been thinking about what is that movie called?
Oh my god, now I'm gonna blank on it. Oh man,
this is embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
If you give me a general idea, I'll try and
find it.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
I'd say it is. It might just be gone. I
can picture face. I talked about it when we were
the flat Liners Flatliners like Julia Roberts and whatnot is
isn't she a nipple baby? And whatnot? And and Sutherland
is of course, and I'm Bacon is bacon one.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
I don't think Bacony.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
I don't think he would have started in Friday of
the thirteenth if yeah, that's fair actually, but I could
be wrong. I'll look into it, but I'm pretty sure now.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
But yeah, I feel like there was a lot of
just there. There's always been NEPO baby movies, even if
we didn't realize it. I mean matter.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Juliet Roberts parents are Betty Lou Roberts and Walter Grady Roberts.
Do you think to somebody else, I'm not sure that
those are people in chow. For some reason, I thought
flat Liners is a big Neppa baby movie. But now
I'm if your southerl One's the only one I'm thinking
of actually either way, and you know it well. And
that's the other thing though, is like when when I
was especially growing up, and to an extent, when you

(11:59):
were growing up, it was a lot more common because
the world was smaller. Yeah, you know, nowadays anybody anywhere
can audition for anything. The pool of talent is much bigger,
which means it's much more competitive. So when I see,
you know, Nepo Babies in like a big indie movie
that everybody's excited about, and I'm like, oh, they cast

(12:20):
a famous person's kid, Okay, I mean I'm sure they're
also talented. I mean I can't even think of an
example where I've been like, why did they cast them?
It's just after the fact of like, hey, that's so
and so.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
I'm sure there's a couple that I that we could
think of. But yeah, I mean, if they're not coming
to our head directly, I think it's not anything a
big issue in that regard.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Hey what you leave Frank Stallone alone?

Speaker 2 (12:42):
I mean I love his song that we actually had
on the radio station. We had that pulled aside in
the file.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Actually kind of just like Frank Stallone. I mean, he's
not the greatest actor, but I like his presence.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
He was on those those VH one talking heads a
lot back in the day.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh well tell yeah, Well since
the what what spark this conversation was we were talking
about Thunderbolts because we just got back from seeing it
in the theater.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yes we did. Oh, I mean I I thought I
had seen trailers for what would you say, easily like
four months?

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Now, probably longer.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, I wasna say, it's probably at least like half
a year at this point.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah. Well, they it's easy to feel like it's hard
to gauge how long you've been seeing trailers because they
massively shifted the style and the mentality of the trailer. Yeah,
about halfway through.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Well, hell, that one trailer we saw was from the
studio that brought you, and they weren't even saying Marvel.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
It was And they were like and from the set
decorator from Hereditarian And I was like, oh, okay, I
mean not lying, I was.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
I mean, I still I don't. I think I speak
for a lot of people when it's just like we are.
We are burned out on Marvel and have been for
some time, but some of us may or may not
have still been attempting to watch some of them. I
can't tell you the last one I saw in theaters
at this point.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Didn't you see Deadpool?

Speaker 2 (13:55):
No? I didn't see Deadpol three. I waited. I waited
until that came.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
You didn't see Deadpool Versus or Wolverine or whatever.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
I tried to it was sold out because I went
to go see it the same day I saw Cuckoo
and Last star Fighter for the first time, but that
was Matt and a week and naturally, well, dead Deadpool
Versus Wolverine was sold out. So yeah, I missed it
in theaters. I saw the first two in theaters, but yeah,
I think the last one I saw in theaters might
have been Quantum Mania. No, No, it's way too a man.

(14:25):
You weren't there for that one. That was you were sick.
That was when Matt was buying tickets for us.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Oh really, Oh we've seen stuff past past.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, it better not be eternals.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
I'm checking the release listing if I can, because now
I'm now you got me curious about when the last.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Time we went, because I mean, it wasn't No Way Home.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
No, why what is this?

Speaker 2 (14:46):
I'm blanking like.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Well, I know we saw Guardians Guardians three three, yeah,
and I feel like there's something after that. That's what
I'm trying to figure out. But it's not giving me
a timeline. Yeah, I'm on the Marvel Studio Wikipedia and
I can't seem to find it.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
But yeah, I mean I was. I was not against
seeing this. It was just like I may see it
or I may not. And I mean even you and
I have been talking about for the last like couple
of weeks that we've seen the trailers that just like
you know what, wondering what it's gonna do and whatnot.
I did not expect to go into this movie coming
out liking it so much as I did.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
As I did, it was super fun.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
It was super fun, and it feels like that return
to formula simplifying everything in a.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Sense, Homie. Guardians three was the last one we saw. Wow,
Because there was Guardians three. Yeah, then there was The Marbles, Marvels, yep,
then Deadpool and Wouverine, then Captain America Brave New World,
and then Thunderbolts. Wow. So May twenty three Wow.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
So two years. Yeah, so it's been two years. I
didn't think it was that long. I didn't either, but
at the same time, it kind of makes sense. But
I mean, I will say too that I also really
did like Black Widow. Thought it was a good, like
shoot them up action movie. Didn't really didn't really play
on Marvel aspect to me that much. It was more
so just a good action movie. So I mean the
fact that we brought some of those characters back for
this movie, I was on board with that already, and

(16:01):
I like Bucky, so that whole premise of it. I
was just like, this could be fun. But yeah, I
give this movie props for simplifying things, going back to
a simple formula of here's your new heroes, here's the villain,
and that was basically it for the most part.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Well, they waited to give you a villain until late
in the film.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Half hour left of the movie basically.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
But I enjoyed it. Yeah, I was. I was really
hoping it would be a fun time because I, you know,
obviously had not seen a Marvel movie in quite a while. Yeah,
and yeah, I mean I I pretty much after the Eternals.
I don't think I saw another one until Guardians except
for me the Spider Man, yeah one or whatever. Yeah,
but but yeah, it just kind of it didn't do

(16:47):
a lot of favors, no, so I yeah, I kind
of checked out for a bit, but this one was
a lot of fun. Yeah, I was hoping it would
be at least funny, you know, keep that sense of
humor going. I had a lot of good laughs. Yeah,
And I it was refreshing to although it was kind
of a threat to the whole world, it wasn't played

(17:09):
up that way that way and it could have been there.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
And I think that they also kept the kept the
breakout small even with it with just being on the city,
but monumental enough to be to see that threat. So
I mean we kind of saw where it was going,
but at the same time, they kept it on that
island well.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
And I remember when when the first of the newer
Spider Man movies came out, the ones with Tom Holland, yep,
I remember being so refreshed by that only New York
City was going to like, was the only place a
threat and it wasn't the whole world.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yet again, Homecoming is still so much fun.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
All those movies, all those Tom Holland and Spider Man's
are excellent, super fun. So it was cool to see.
It makes me kind of want to see what they
do next, which I now that I realized I took
over two year break, that makes sense. Yeah, I didn't.
I really had no idea to been that well.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Mine, They wiped the slate at one point for just
Deadpool and Thunderbolts, like that was basically the I mean,
Brave New World was on there too, but that was
still finishing out a timeline or continuing a current. When
I can't remember this.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
That's I believe that's that's the beginning of phase five. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
So I mean, yeah, the fact that like we are
getting a new Avengers supposedly, and it looks fun to
this extent, like I am back on board with with
at least this first movie. Yeah, and I hope they
can keep this going.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah. I hope so too, because I used to really
look forward to them. I mean there was, man that
that lead up, the entirely ten year lead up to
Endgame was an incredible time to be a movie lover.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
I remember being in Suncoast when I was working in
Avengers came out. First off, our manager put all our
copies in the safe because she was so worried about
them getting stolen because like we got them like two
weeks for the release or whatnot.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
That would be a big deal if they got stolen there.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, so there was that. But then also I watched
that movie so much because of being at work, and
that was like all we played naturally when it came out.
So when I actually finally got to sit down and
watch it as an actual movie and not just in
the background of me working, I'd already seen it like
easily twenty times.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
That's a good one to be forced on you, though,
because it's very quotable. It's got a lot of good moments.
Do they ever tell you the story of how I
saw the first Avengers?

Speaker 2 (19:12):
I remember, yeah, when it was Jeff, wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, But my cousin Jeff, who at the time was
working in another state. He and I are huge movie fans,
and he was like, dude, you've got to see Avengers.
And I was like, I don't like superhero movies. I
hadn't seen a single Marvel movie up until that point,
except maybe I might have seen Iron Man. And he
was like, dude, you don't understand. It's not like that.

(19:38):
It's great, and I was like ah, And then he
literally was like, I will PayPal you the price of
a ticket if you'll go see it right as soon
as you can.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
That's what I remember.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
And this was right when I first moved back around
that maybe at first two years I was back in Ohio,
so I literally paypaled me because I was broke. I
think I hadn't even gotten a job. So it was
probably the first like eight months I was here. It
was really hard to find a job.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, it would have been like twenty twelve, yeah, for
eleven twelve, yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
I think it was eleven. Yeah, And I literally he
just sent me the money. So I literally walked into
my car and I went straight to the theater and
I saw it on Saturday by myself and walked out
and I was like, goddamn, that was awesome. So he
was right. He was right, And then from then on
I was trying to catch as many of them as
I could.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
I mean, there's no denying that the first like ten
fifteen movies in the in phase phase one. I don't
even know how long Phase one is at this point.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Well, I think we went up to Phase three. Was
the end was an endgame, I think.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Because I really love the Iron Man movies, really really
like the Hulk of the Incredible Hulk movie that they did,
but they wouldn't even know that. I know that wasn't included.
But like the early ones that they did, I still
enjoyed it. Even going back and looking at Angley's Hulk,
Angley's Hulk has.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
A lot to like. I would agree with that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
So I mean, I'm I'm anxious to see where they
go with this. I think Julia Louise Dreyfus is amazing
in this movie.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Amazing, very interesting as a quasi villain. Yeah, very interesting.
I mean in the best way. She's very good. Yeah,
and it was cool seeing her. You don't really see
her be a villain very much, No, you don't. And
I imagine if she ever has played a villain, it
was probably cartoony. This was not cartoony.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
No, I mean cartoony. Also David Harbor having a blast
in this movie as well, who's having a great year.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
I mean, you know, I'm sure that anytime he thinks
about how that one hell Boy movie does, he just
gets into his swimming uv on water.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Now. So it's not Hellboy's not a bad his his
version of Hellboy's not a bad movie. It's just not
a good movie. It's it's fun and it's really really
gory and really like has some pretty uh heinous moments,
like revealing a Babba yaga that has eaten children. Pretty
pretty heinous moment in that movie.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Well, I mean he is a boy of hell.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yes, he is a boy of Hell. So but yeah,
I enjoyed it. I've seen it one time and I
don't know if I'll ever see it again. But it's fun.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yeah, heard Dave first hates it.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Selling point, even though I have it at my voodoo forever,
because that was the days of Black Friday and getting
those movies for like five dollars that still had the
codes in them.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
You have it until the heat death of the universe, yeah,
in which case this point, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
That also means you know, now we have Extreme Justice
and HD until they possibly give us a disc release.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
I mean, you never know. Now, there's so many things
coming out that you would never think LD coming out on.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Dis Dangerous Touch Extreme Justice.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
That would be a beautiful, glorious double feature. It really
would be, and it would make my birthday.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah, so there we go.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
I should just uh should text Ryan over a terror
vision and be like, you know, September's coming right up,
and I know that's not enough time to get this done,
but please.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, he would be the one to do it, wouldn't he. H.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
I mean, he'd be one.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Well, I think Lionsgate put out Extreme Justice recently.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
I want to say, yeah, but they're they're just barely
keeping Vestron alive.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
So that's true. True.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
I don't know they did just Sonnow it's May, and
I'm pretty excited about that. Oh they're putting oh yeah
on Vestron restaurant. Yeah, so I mean no, I mean,
I don't know if well that could kind of fit.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
I don't know, see what happens.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
But at the end of the day, what we're really
talking about is the fact that you can't fight fate,
whether it's the fate of the universe, yeah, or the
fate of physical media. Yes, But tonight we're talking about
a movie all about fighting fate.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
That we are, That we are, Yes, we have are
continuing May they Rest in Peace month tonight as we
are going to be paying tribute to the late great
Tony Todd who left us last year and talking about
Final Destination from two thousand.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
And while Todd's part and it is somewhat small, yeah,
very memorable, Yes, very memorable. When I was rewatching it,
it had been a long time, probably five seven, eight years, yeah,
and I was just like, damn, Tony Todd.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
In the movie for maybe four to five minutes max,
and then he makes an appearance in the next one.
I think he came back in one, two, three, and
then I think he came back in five. I don't
think he's in four. I'll review it in is a
filmographing here in a bit? But yeah. Final listenation from
two thousand one hour in thirty eight minutes. Rated R
for violence and terror and for language Terror terror, terror

(24:17):
not the terror. Oh well, I mean all this movie
is missing is Dick Miller coming out and explaining the
entire movie at the end.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
I mean, that's kind of what the last scene of
Final Destination is as much as I do, the kind
of just there like anyway in case you didn't get it.
But uh, but and there is language, both English and
French and.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
French indeed, yes, I interview. Synopsis for this says, after
getting a premonition about a plane crash on his school trip, Alex,
a student, saves a few of his classmates. However, the
situation gets complicated when death starts chasing them. Makes me
think of just like a grim reefer with a sithe though.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
But back here, guys, come on.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
My synopsis says when a premonition of a plane crash saved.
The saves the lives of Alex and five classmates, all
of them begin to question if destiny can be changed.
As the survivors begin to meet grizzly demises one by one.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
I feel like the PAM mean they're the same pictures.
I mean they're both they both serve a good purpose. Yeah,
you did good?

Speaker 2 (25:14):
All right? Well, are you ready to get into the taglines? Because,
oh boy, this week we got some tagline. Apparently this
film is just maggotty with maggotty starting with most people
have dreams for Alex. This is real.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
I mean that applies to the first section of the film,
So I guess that works.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Face your deepest fears before they face you.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
I don't like that one because it's not fear coming
for you. It's death itself. It's destiny. Death is the
final destination. Boarding starts now. I have to a half
point deduction for using the title of the film in
your tagline.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
In the best twisted tradition of the Twilight Zone.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
That must have been like on home video. That must
have been like on the VHS tape.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
A film that decapitates scream three.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Ok okay, I'd like to know the source of some
of these.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
On March seventeenth, figure out when it's coming back at them. Wow,
invention or intervention comes at a price.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
I mean that makes sense, But what Jesus?

Speaker 2 (26:33):
No accidents, no coincidences, no escapes. You can't cheat death.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
No escapes?

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, no escapes?

Speaker 1 (26:42):
What the hell is going on with these taglines?

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Death doesn't take no for an answer.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
I like that one. That's a good one. That's a
solid one.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Can you cheat death?

Speaker 1 (26:52):
That one's pretty good too.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Death is coming. I mean, to your little townshriff.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
That one's fine. I'll see you soon. What next stop?
It's you that one? I kind of like his Final Destination?
So next stop? Okay, that one's all right.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
And finally, are you ready to match wits with the
Grim Reaper or are you ready for Fox DVD video?

Speaker 1 (27:29):
I will say they go downhill quick quick quick quick wow.
Wow wow.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Out of fourteen, we have about two, maybe one and
a half. It's a winner.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
I mean, you know, uh, there were a couple okay
ones toward the end. It's just a few of them.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
I'm just like, what, so Final Destination currently available to
stream on Max You can also rent it or buy
it through Prime, Fandango or anyway you get your videos at.
There's also a currently I think it's on sale for
I want to say, like twelve bucks. There's a four
film Blu ray pack, and they also just release the
entire collection too, but the four pack is on sale
right now.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Nice No and I it's a great addition to any
horror fans collection.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
It is absolutely director and writer. One of the writers
on the film is James Wong. He directs The Final
Destination in two thousand, which he also has a screenplay
credit on The One with Jet Lee in two thousand
and one, which he also is the writer on Final
Destination three in two thousand and six. He also writes
and directs Dragonball Evolution two thousand and nine, Tower Prep,
The Event, X Files twenty eighteen. He's a writer on

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as well as directs, and most recently Nine to eleven
or Excuse Me nine one one in twenty twenty one.
He writes and directs on as well. Other things that
he's written or has writing credits on include The Boys
next Door from nineteen eighty five, So Charlie Sheen, serial
killer thriller Nice uncredited on Trigger Treat nineteen eighty six,
Wow Yeah, night Watch nineteen eighty eight. Also writes on

(28:51):
Booker in nineteen ninety, twenty one, Jump, street Wise Guy,
The Commission, Space Above and Beyond, Millennium, The Lone Gunman,
The Event, Rosemary's Baby, Make in twenty fourteen, and American
Horror Story in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
It did like Space Above and Beyond. That's the one
I haven't heard from. A long time writer.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Also on is Glenn Morgan, who also gets credited on
Boys next Door, uncredited on Trigger Treat, Nightwatch, Booker, same
thing basically, but where mister Glenn Morgan differs, and you
probably know this is In two thousand and three, he
writes and directs the remake for Willard, Oh Yeah, Black
exmus writer director in two thousand and six, Yes, By
No Way, Okay, The Event twenty eleven, The River, Those

(29:32):
Who Kill. He's a developer on Intruders, He's developer on
Rosemary's Baby in twenty fourteen, Lore in twenty seventeen, writes
on The X Files in twenty eighteen, American Horror Story
twenty nineteen, Twilight Zone, and most recently, Almost Paradise in
twenty twenty three, and our last writer is Jeffrey Reddick.
On the film. He gets writing credit for the screenplay
a Final Destination in two thousand, but in two thousand

(29:53):
and one he crafts Returned to Cabin by the Lake.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Hey, now we're cooking. I those movies, they're so I
guess they're underrated at this point.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
I don't hear a lot about them. Don't let anybody
say I don't like them.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
They were on Lifetime, they were on Sci Fi, they
were on USA back in the day, and they got
basically left on DVD and have not seen a release.
So you can find him on YouTube so you can
watch them. But if you have not seen Cabin by
the Laker, return to Cabin, like with Judd Nelson, really
really fun directive direct to TV movies.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
I wouldn't be surprised if part of the problem is
there's no film cut, there's no film print rather, so
you'd have to re edit them entirely, which can slow
things down.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Ryan about those, Actually, I didn't think about that.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
So.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Jeffrey Reddick also is a story credit on Final Destination
two Tamara in two thousand and five, Final Destination three
in two thousand and six, The Day of the Dead
remake Ina. He gets screenplay credit on the Final Destination.
He gets character credit on Final Destination five character credit
Goods samerited in twenty fourteen, The Final Wish in twenty eighteen,
Midnight Texts in twenty eighteen, Don't Look Back twenty twenty,
A Tale of Dark and Grim tent twenty one, and

(31:00):
most recently, character credit on Final Destination, blood Lines twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah, which comes out really soon.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah comes out this week this week.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
I don't know what the fight.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Don't know what that was.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
That was a little worriesome.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
A cinematographer on the film is Robert McLachlan. He gets
to start direct as director of photography on Abducted in
nineteen eighty six, Calgary eighty eight, Eighteen Days of Glory
at eighty nine, Neon Ryder, The Beach Coms in eighty eight,
Mcguiver in ninety one, The Odyssey in ninety two, Commission
ninety three, Win The val Breaks in ninety five, Strange
Luck in ninety six, Millennium Final Destination in two thousand.

(31:34):
He also shoots the High Noon remake in two thousand,
The Lone Gunman, The One Which at Lee in two
thousand and one, Willard in two thousand and three, Tarzan
in two thousand and three, True Calling, Cursed King's Ransom,
a little Thing called Murder, Final Destination three, Black Eximss
in two thousand and six. He also shoots Nice Bionic
Woman in two thousand and seven, Dragon Ball Evolution, Harper's
Island in two thousand and nine, The Boy Who Cried

(31:55):
Werewolf twenty ten, Human Target, The Secret Circle, West World Series,
Game of Thrones, The Affair, Ray Donovan, Batwoman, Love Lovecraft,
Country Shining Girls, American Jigglo series nineteen twenty three, Shot
Yellowstone in twenty twenty four, and most recently Landman in
twenty twenty four as well.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, he got into that TV pipeline and it's smart.
I mean where that's where you'll make a lot of
money as a director of photography. Yeah, no, kidding, Yeah,
he It's clear his trajectory once the two thousand started,
he just kept going up and up and up and up.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
I love the fact that he stayed with his writing
partners though, too, and shot their stuff, which is really cool.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
That is cool.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
I like that cast includes Devin Sawa, who plays Alex
Browning in the film. He gets a Start in nineteen
eighty nine and unsub then goes on to do Sherlock
Holmes return to ninety three NERF Commercials, Various Ones in
ninety three, Over That The Odyssey in ninety two, Little Giants,
previous episode in ninety four, Yes, Casper in ninety five,
Now and then Knight of the Twisters, The Boys Club,

(32:50):
Wild America, SLC Punk, Idol Hands Final Destination in two thousand,
then goes on to be in the Guilty the Stand
music video by eminem in two thousand, Slackers Extream Ops,
Spider Man series in two thousand and three, Extreme Dating
in two thousand and four, whoa Devil's Den in two
thousand and six, Ncis Los Angeles, Endured The Philly Kid
Nikita in twenty thirteen, A Warden's Ransom, Exorcism of Molly Hartley,

(33:14):
Life on the Line, Broad Squad, Punk's Dead, sc Punk
two in twenty sixteen, Hawaii five Oh, Escape Plan, The Astractors,
and then in twenty nineteen, alongside alongside the directing of
Fred Durst, he stars in the Fanatico.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
I Forgot he was in that Yeah Yeah, not a
terrible movie.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
That one bad t both does fun in it, Oh
for sure. Yeah, jar Head, Law of Return in twenty nineteen,
mc Guiver twenty twenty, Black Friday, twenty twenty one, Magnum
p I Hacks Chucky series, Murder in a Small Town,
and most recently this year was in twenty twenty five's
Hard Eyes.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yes he was. He was very well executed in that.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, spoilers, that's good.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
That's a good Oh yeah, uh, spoiler alerts. Some people
die in Hard Eyes. You what the best part about
that is it doesn't really spoil any No, it doesn't
because is he the killer? Is he not?

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Well, you don't know. Ali Larder, who plays Clear Rivers
in this gets Her started in nineteen ninety six on
Suddenly Susan, Chicago's Suns in ninety seven, Chicago Hope, Just
Shoot Me, Dawson's Creek in ninety eight, Varsity Blues ninety nine,
Drive Me Crazy House in Haunted Hill Final destination in
two thousand, Legally Blonde, American Outlaws, Jane Silent Bob strike
Back Final Destination two. In two thousand and three, Three

(34:25):
Way Entourage A Lot Like Love, Confess Resident Evil Extinction
in two thousand and seven, Obsessed Heroes, Resident Evil, Afterlife,
The League, Love Sick, You're Not You in twenty fourteen, Legends, Residentevil,
The Final Chapter, Curb Your Enthusiasm, The Rookie Creepshow TV
series in twenty nineteen, oh Ye Last Victim in twenty
twenty one, The Man with the White Van in twenty
twenty three, Spin the Bottle in twenty twenty four, and

(34:47):
also recently in twenty twenty four, Landman, Hot, Damn Yeah, Curse. Smith,
also playing Carter Horton in this film, gets his start
in ninety seven as Ad The World Turns, Bait Watch
in ninety eight, Hit and Runway, The Broken Hearts Club,
The Final Destination in two thousand, CSI in two thousand,
The First Saken in two thousand and one, The knockoff
Vampire Movie That Wanted to Be Lost? Boys. Do you

(35:07):
remember that?

Speaker 1 (35:07):
I Remember that?

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah? With Jonathan Shake The Outer Limits of two thousand
and one, Pressure two thousand and two, Critical Assembly, Dawson's Creek,
Cruel Intentions three in two thousand and four, Charmed CSI, Miami,
The Closer, Justice CSI New York, My Bloody Valentine three
D in two thousand and nine, Eli Stone, The Forgotten Life,
Unexpected ncis where Hope grows, Criminal Minds Stalker, Agents of

(35:31):
Shield Doubt in twenty seventeen, The Fosters n cis La
Into the Dark Pilgrim in twenty eighteen. He's the Dad,
Yes he is, Yes he is Riverdale in twenty twenty
and twenty twenty one he was also on the Resident
and bringing up our cast conclusion. Naturally the man we
are paying tribute tonight, the Great Tony Todd, who plays

(35:52):
William Bludworth in the film, Yes, two hundred and fifty
one credits on his resume. Not surprised at all, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
No, not at all.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Gets his start in nineteen eighty six on Sleepwalk and
then goes on to be in Platoon the same year,
and I mean Terry Territory in eighty seven, twenty one,
Jump Street, eighty seven, Colors, Lean On Me, Criminal Justice,
Night a Living Dead ninety, Cop Rock, Candy Man in
ninety two, then goes on to do Excessive Force in
ninety three.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Do you think do you think it was Night ninety
that got him kind of pushed into the being a
leading man? Or do you or do you think this
Candy Man. I mean, obviously they both had an effect.
They're closed, and I'm wondering, like, did that get him
Candy Man.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
I feel like he has a very strong presence in
ninety obviously, yeah, And I think it probably took attention
to that. And I mean that nineties probably got him
Candy Man.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
I would That's what I mean. It's just like, because
obviously candy Man is what like rocketed him to, at
the very least in the realm of horror movie fans,
being a superstar.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Well, but then I would hope that excessive force got
him The Crow in ninety four.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Oh, of course it did. Well. It was no force
on force successive Force two.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
It was not you know, it was not the Crow
in ninety four, Candy Man. Farewell to the Flesh in
ninety five, which I think is a really really good
movie and does not get enough credit as a sequel.
For one, maybe that should be your birthday, I mean,
I like it that much. I don't know about that.
I mean, we canna do Day of the Dead three
Star trek DS nine and ninety six, The Rock in
ninety six, NYPD Blue Wish Master Star trek Voyager. We

(37:19):
also have a Candy Man Day of the Dead ninety nine.
Then he does Final Destination, appears on Angel Smallville Charmed
Final Destination two, the Prophecy Forsaken, Final Destination three Hatchet,
which is one of my favorite roles because him is
the is the voodoo host of the Walking Tour, telling
that scary story and being like and then they slipped
and cracked their head on my goddamn curb and sued

(37:39):
me to Kingdom.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Come. No, he's so good that you don't get to
see him, get to just kind of go off very often. No,
but when he does, he's so much he's incredible. Have
you heard the stories about how he does takes? So
I had heard from some filmmaker who directed him that
if you don't give him any specific ideline, like if

(38:01):
you say, let's let's do one more and see how
it goes. You know, if you don't say one more
this time this, if you just said one more, let's go,
he'll never do it the same way. He'll assume you
want something different, so he'll do it. So if you
roll on him seven times without saying anything.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
You get seven different performances.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
I mean He'll go from like whispering almost the whole thing,
to like moving a lot, to not moving at all,
to like very serious. They said, It's a really interesting
way that he works because his thing is he's trying
to just kind of find what you like, Yeah, I mean,
which is an actor's.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
That's one thing that as I was reviewing his resume
that I picked up on to you that I was
just like, wow, he does have different I mean an
actor obviously, but he has different stages of Tony Todd.
Like It's just like, I mean, he can be that
over the top Tony Todd, he can be the subdued
candy man Tony Todd, oh.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, and he can also subtlety really well with that
deep voice he's got.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
And he can also be freaking hilarious like he is
in Holliston.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Oh no, I'm Holliston allowed a lot of those guys
to really show off how funny they were, and I
think it benefited Tony Todd and and and Kane Hotter.
But Kane Hodder didn't do a lot of stuntman.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
And nearly Mears Derek Muirs got to shine old. Oh yeah,
But I mean.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Derek Mears was a improv guy. So, I mean he
had people even though not a lot. Yeah, people had
seen it, but Tony Todd, we never got to see
him be that outrageously funny. I mean, he's truly hilarious.
And while I've never like had dinner with the man,
I had seen him at many conventions, at many shows,
and he was always making people laugh. Yeah, very very

(39:31):
funny guy.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
I did get to meet him one time. It's been
probably a little over a decade, maybe right about a decade.
He was at Scarefest one, so I got got to
meet him. That's awesome, very nice guy.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
No, I don't know anybody that had a negative word
to say about him even when he was with us.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah. So he does Masters of Horror, Vallery on the
Stairs in two thousand and five, The Man from Earth,
Boston Legal, twenty four, Transformers, Revenge of the Fallen, The Graves,
Hatch At two, Final, Destination five, and twenty eleven, Holliston
in twenty twelve Sushi Girl, The Young and the Wrestler,
which found out he has eighteen episodes like he was
on eighteen episodes Young and the Restless as a character.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I mean he he people
wanted to keep him wherever he went. That's why he
was in Star Trek Deday's nine and Voyager. Yeah, because
he was so well liked. Of course, then the example
of being almost too well liked on DS nine would
be would be Jeffrey Combes, who played ended up playing

(40:25):
two recurring roles on DS nine two two Brunt and Wayun.
If you know d S nine you'll know, but literally two.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
And even when I got the chance to work with him,
we were talking about DS nine because once I mentioned
that that was one of my favorite things he'd done,
he was just like super excited to talk about it.
But he mentioned that. At one point they were like, hey,
we're gonna make Wayoun like a recurring thing. And he's like, oh,
that's great. And then he got some pages and they
were like you brought Brunt back and he was like yeah.
He was like, but I played Brunt and he was like,

(40:55):
well we yeah. He was like, so I'm two recurring
roles this season and they were like, yeah, is that
a problem. He's like, no, not at all.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Does he get double the pay for two recording?

Speaker 1 (41:05):
I mean I would just well, I'm assuming you get
paid for the day, so he's working twice as much
for sure. Andy's in Yeah. I remember he was in
both of those characters for at least four to six
hours of makeup too.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, no shit, so.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
But uh and he was great now but yeah, Tony Todd,
I remember when he popped up on DS nine because
I was already a fan from the horror movies he
had done and stuff. He plays an adult version of
a of a of Jake Cisco, Captain Cisco's son, Yeah,
telling recounting a thing that happened because they messed with
Deep Space nine's time frames a lot, and he was

(41:38):
amazing as the adult Jake Cisco.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
He was where you saw him first.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Oh, it had to have been Night ninety. It had
to have been, because Night ninety was I saw nine
ninety like right when it came to tape.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Mine might have been The Rock if not Candy Man,
it was either. It's one of It's one of those two,
because I remember him in The Rock. He is so
freaking vicious in The Rock.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Now he's really good in The Rock. I just ninety
had to have been it because I saw it so young,
like super young.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
I saw ninety after I saw the original because Ghastly
came to our town with Creep showed the original right
around the time that text change all the beginning was
coming out, because I remember that because that was one
of the merch things that they had, was passing out
T shirts for it. So yeah, he does young and
the rest is in twenty thirteen, Victor Crowley in twenty
seventeen talking about bringing him back. He's literally in a
cell phone video in that movie. Death House in twenty seventeen,

(42:27):
Riverdale Hellfest Scream TV series in twenty nineteen, Candy Corn
Tails from the Hood three in twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Which I mean, you want to make your little faces,
but that was a big step up from from two two.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
But what every time I think of three, what I
always think of is the fact that the reveal that
the little girl is telling these stories, and then the
heinousness of one story in particular.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Yeah. Yeah, all the stories are brutal and gruesome, and
one has like very graphic sex and racism. So I
just imagine this little girl going so anyway, he's on
top of her, just pound inner and pound dinner, and
I'm like, uh, how did this little okay? You know?
Because then the worst part is it's like, well, no,
that's not what happened. It's just he filled in the blankes.
But oh so he's just fantasizing about sex will talking
to which Oh that's fine, great, that's right y yeah

(43:09):
wait wait, yeah, we're good, We're good. Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Spoiler alert Candy Man twenty twenty one.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yes, which which honestly is such a good reveal and
help that movie a lot for me personally.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
The Flash in twenty twenty three, stream in twenty twenty four,
and not his last performance, but what I'll credit him
with because it's the last one on IMDb at this time.
He has a by the way, twelve in production right now.
Oh wow, yeah, so he's got he's got some stuff
that's going to come out. Plus did you see the
reason about Cutter's Island finally getting a release? His nineties
horror film That Never Got Is is coming out now.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Oh that's awesome. Yeah, that's excellent.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
But yeah, Final Destination Bloodlines twenty twenty five. He unfortunately
passed November six, twenty twenty four, at age sixty nine,
complications from a very subdued did not say much about
it battle with cancer, which I believe he had been
fighting for about a decade.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
I want to say, really, yeah, I remember seeing a
video of him because there was a Tony Todd film
festival and he couldn't attend, and he sent a video
in and I remember seeing clips from that video and
just knowing, you know, unfortunately his time was about up.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Well, it's just like, I mean, the same thing we're
dealing with Reggie Banister right now. Yeah, I'm so sad, but.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
You're just keeping the keeping the vibe.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
I'm sorry, but yeah, Tony Todd, I mean, incredible body
of work. Rest in peace. This is I mean so
many movies here that I grew up with and influenced
me for that matter. So what was your first time
seeing Final Destination? Oh?

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Man, I mean rented it on tape because everyone was
talking about it. It was everywhere, and got it. I
probably at the Blockbuster near my house at the time.
And I remember even knowing what that that you knew
what the movie was roughly about. You knew that the plane,

(44:52):
you know that they don't go on a plane that
blows up. Yeah, but I remember the biggest shock when
I watched it for the first time wasn't the plane exploded,
like them all on it and the fireball or whatever,
because you know, it just kind of it happens. It's
freaky but whatever. Yeah, it was when they were standing
in the terminal at the airport and they're all talking
and then all of a sudden, the plane explodes in view. Yeah,

(45:13):
and the shadow the window shadow that I remember sitting
in my living room watching on VHS and going, uh yeah,
like even though I knew something bad was because we
knew that the whole point was something was going to happen,
part of me didn't think it was going to happen then. Yeah,
part of me was like, oh, well, it'll like are
they gonna like get halfway home and then find out
it exploded over the ocean or something. Nope, it barely

(45:35):
makes it out of the airport. Yeah, which makes it
so much more visceral and so much more memorable.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Well, and also spoilers it blows up earlier in his
earlier than his premonition, because in the premonition they get
up in the sky, there's turbulence and whatnot, and then
all the shit happens. But yeah, my first time watching
it was my sister had had a slumber party and
so Mom let her go to Family Video or Hollywood
Video and read whatever she wanted. And I distinctly remember

(46:03):
most of the stack of if not all of it,
which was Undercover, Brother, Fear dot com. Yeah, super Troopers, crazy, beautiful,
and Final Destination.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
That is an evening right there. That's a whole mood.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
It really is, though, And I remember they had watched
Super Troopers first, and I had peaked around the corner
and seen some of that, and then they started finding
Destination and naturally couldn't hang out with my sister. But also,
like I was still into horror a little bit at
this point. I don't know if I'd fully transitioned into
it at this point, and so I was peeking around
the corner and looking at the movie, and then you know,
eventually had to stop peaking around the corner. And the

(46:41):
next day my mom had taken her and her friends out,
so it was just me at the house and I
watched Follow Destination by myself while everybody was gone.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
How'd that go?

Speaker 2 (46:50):
It scared the shit out of me.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
YEA.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
What became more prevalent to me as the movie went
on was just, oh, everything can kill you, so like
it just became really scary as a kid to just
even exist in a house.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
It must be so weird growing up without severe crippling anxiety, right, Yeah,
I was just like yep, yep, yep, yep as everything.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
But from that point on, uh, I mean, I didn't,
you know, I was. I was eight years old when
this movie came out. But from that point on I
was a fan of these movies, even though it probably
took me about another five or six years to finally
see them. Like I remember sneaking out of my house
to go with my friends to see the Final Destination
at the midnight premiere back in the day.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Is that the one that was in three D?

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Three D? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Yeah, I didn't see it in three D, but I
saw it at the drive in Oh, that's awesome, and
that inspired me to go back and watch all of
them again. Yeah, because I had watched that was was
what was that? The fifth? One?

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Fourth, the fourth, the Final, the Final, The Final is
the fourth and then Final List Nation five?

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Maybe it was five I saw in the drive regardless,
I had fallen out at some point. I know I
had seen Final Destination two for sure as I could.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Cat was three in three D in the or did
it come out in three D format? I'm not sure, man,
because now I'm curious too because I remember the three
D being huge on DVD because then you also had
the option to change the scenes and whatnot, like it
was to choose your own demise at that point.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
The Final Destination was in three D. I don't think
three was.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
It came out on three I think it came out
in three D on disc or whatever, because that was
the point of like My Bloody Valentine too. Probably it
could be, could be, but yeah, from that point on,
I was hooked. I even have a distinct memory of
I had to cram for a college final, so I
watched all five Final Destinations while you were studying, while
I was while I was doing my work in my project.
Like literally started at like probably like ten o'clock, eleven

(48:37):
o'clock and watched all of them. Was done before five.
Because the one thing I love about these movies, not
many exceed ninety minutes.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
No, they don't. They don't tend to overstay their welcome.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Yeah, and even Final Destination blood Lines is the longest
so far of the series, and I think it's at
like one hundred and five minutes, So I'm excited about that.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
So it was Final Destination five I saw at the
drive in Okay, and I had not seen I think
it was three or four. Yeah, we're the ones I
missed because after I saw five at the drive and
I immediately sought out all of the films because I
wanted to catch back.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Well in five spoiler alert. Five has that brilliant pullback
on ending too.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
It was a great ending that maybe go yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
So getting into Final Destination, we open as we find
Alex Browning who's played by Devin Salwa, and he is
at his home packing for the school field trip to go.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
To Europe, well to go to France.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
France.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Yet more specifically, there was no I don't know if
the EU had had claimed France yet.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
But we also get the get we get the idea
that he's a little nervous about this. His mom tries
to take one of the tags off his bag and
he's like, no, can't do that, like it's bad luck,
and he just doesn't really have a desire to fly.
It sounds like.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Yeah, and and I have to say, whoever wrote this film,
I mean, well of the writers, yeah, whoever one of
them had substantial generalized anxiety, I would say, because they
were very good at depicting the idea of just being
nervous about every single thing around you. Yeah, and for

(50:07):
that I commend them. On a rewatch, I was like, man,
I'm getting nervous in the plane just by the way
he's watching everything that's happening around him.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
One of my favorite things is, like, to add to
his distress, I guess is he goes to the ticket
counter and she's like, Oh, the plane has the same
numbers as your birthday. No, that's weird because flight attendants
just say that apparently, I.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Mean, if they notice it thing, I guess, yeah, I
mean not everybody is like you who just walks in
with like a neck pillow and like sunglasses and earbudget
just like whatever serve me.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
There was one time, so I was trying to figure
out if when we had flown to Florida, if it
was a poster pre nine eleven was yeah, and my
sister reminded me. She was like, I don't know what
year it was, but I remember the very small plane
that we flew back on. My parents will not let
me forget you this day. So I'm like, I had
to have been single digits, if not, like just maybe
ten at most. And we get onto this this puddle

(50:58):
jumper for our final flight that was are connect back
to Dayton Airport at this point and we get on
this flight. The guy comes on, he's like, you know,
we're gonna be cruising this point blah blah blah, And
I apparently, like I just spoke up. I was like,
I guess we're not getting any drinks on this flight.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
I mean, you weren't wrong.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Now, the first time I flew alone, I was about
I was twelve, twelve or eleven. Yeah, yeah, I was
a little at your wings. No, I was too old
for that. Ah. Yeah, they don't really do that. Also,
they don't actually do that that often anyway, But I
remember being handed off to the to the the flight attendants. Yeah,

(51:39):
and they really did. They kept an eye on me.
They seated me with the one other on the way out.
There was one other young kid and he's flying by themselves,
so they sat us next to each other, which was
fine because I mean back then, you know, you were like, oh, no,
did I pack extra batteries for my Walkman? I only
have three CDs.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Bro I couldn't even hear. So I have my I
had my tape Walkman when we flew to Florida, because
I remember having the Batman soundtracking a couple other things.
I couldn't even hear. My headphones didn't go high enough
once the plane started.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
I had that problem. Yeah, where I mean I had
the volume all that? What I ended up doing I had,
I don't remember. I had like a little book of
CDs and I just remember I put on the loudest
one I had and I could hear that. But on
the way this was from Dayton to New Hampshire, no
connecting flights to keep things easier for poor little child
make Yeah, and on the way out there, I just

(52:29):
remember it being like the easiest flight ever. We're up
in the air, they're bringing you sprite. I forget how
the flight's not long. It's maybe an hour and a
half tops, which is awesome because it's a thirteen and
a half hour drive, Yeah, which is.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
What we normally red. Yeah, I'm here.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
And I just remember like getting my soda. I remember
all this stuff and uh. And the person I was
sitting next to was very like talkative, so we were
talking and having a nice time and just great. The
landing was scary because small planes landings, everything's worse than
a small plane. Yeah, so the landing's worse, you know.
Uh but whatever. On the way up, Oh and we

(53:04):
got there early because we were with the wind. On
the way back, we were against the draft. Oh yeah,
so the plane just like we get up there and
I'm like, okay, cool. I had like a and the
whole plane just vibrated for like forty five minutes straight,
and I thought we were all gonna die. And a
stewardess walked over. It was just like, are you all right?
And I was like, uh yeah. She was like, this

(53:25):
is normal. Yeah, it's just the way it is. This
is why the flight's longer on the way home than
it is on the way away.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Have a jack and coke?

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Yeah, here, why don't you just have a jack and
coke and hold on? It's the nineties, so here's a valume.
Here's a quick I just have I have sad one
left over. It's I have a it's in a role
like like like CERTs or whatever like, but it's it's
coludes in valume. But no, I remember being terrified for
that part. Yeah, and slowly calming down. I was not

(53:53):
a I didn't enjoy flying until I was an adult.
I get that because as an adult it was like, hey,
you need to fly somewhere for work. And I was like,
oh cool, where are we flying? They were like JFK
to to Los Angeles and I was like, so like
the longest flight while still in the United States, and
they were like, yep, it's like four and a half

(54:14):
hours in a plane.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Is JFK as chaotic as I've heard of this?

Speaker 1 (54:17):
It is pretty it's it's huge in chaotic, it's it's
a lot. It's a lot. And we had to fly
out of JFK because that was our airline was serviced
out of there. So we get up in the air
and I Am like squeezing my seat and I'm nervous
as shit and I'm nervous as shit, and after about
an hour, I just got tired of it. I was like, okay, whatever,
Like I'm just going to watch this. They had TV

(54:38):
you could watch, so I was like, I don't care anymore.
I'm just going to watch TV. And I just stopped caring.
The landing still gets me a little bit. Ye, just
heading toward the ground can be a lot, but even
still like the last time I flew, I flew down
to Florida a few years back. I just had a
fun time with it. Like I got I was by myself,

(54:59):
and on the way on the I had to connect
to North Carolina, and on the way to North Carolina,
it was just me. The plane was almost empty. They
were doing that thing where they're like, well, some people
like to move to the back so we could balance
the plane and all this stuff, and I just watched
my iPad. I watched movies on it. I was watching
airplane movies, which is always bad idea when you're on
a plane, so I highly recommend it.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
The last time I flew my my flying to Florida
movie was The Warriors, and then my flying back from
Florida movie was Eddie the Eagle. For the first time.
Oh yeah, nice, that was the recommendation from you.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
I watched American Maid, okay, and I watched Airport No.
I watched Executive Decision. Yeah yeah, I watched Executive Decision.
And when I was at the terminal for three hours,
I watched Terminal of course, because I I am hilarious
and clever. I it was actually the first time i'd

(55:52):
ever seen terminal, so I actually really enjoyed it. And
then I was like, man, now I'm hungry because you
made me.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Got to go gather these carts.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Now, I guess right, I'd never seen eating a whopper
looks so great in my life.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
I watched the guy recently. He I don't know what
he what his channel specifically is, but he does like
food breaks down and broke debt breakdown of movies for
the most part. And one of the things he did
was figure out how he could scarf the big burger down.
And he basically realized that they probably didn't have a
patty and it was all just like outer so that
when he bit into it, it just he could bite
just through the bread and eat it really quickly.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
I don't know why you wouldn't just assume that Tom
Hanks is that damn good. I'm not saying he's not,
but I think he's just that damn good. I don't
know how many takes Spielberg is known for at this point.
I didn't say he swallowed the burger. Do you know
that's a common practice. So the bucket they spit it
out into because of the amount of takes they have
to do.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
That's how Bill Murray got super sick on Groundhog Day.
He didn't spit he ate that entire angel food cake
and swallowed it.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Yeah, Maria, I really for names. Maria Sertis who played
who played Uh, I can't believe I'm forgetting Star Trek names. Oh,
I've been It's been a long week. But she was
on and start treking this generation she played. See, I
can't I can't believe myself. Okay, bud, But but she
uh not. Only when she had to do these these

(57:09):
few eating scenes, she was like, I have to spit
it out. And they were like, well, we're only doing
They were like, well, we're only doing four takes, so
you you know, and it's the end of the day.
And she was just like, have you seen the outfit
I fit into on this show. I will not be
swallowing any cake and I have not planned to swallow yeah,
which I thought was I was like, she no, I
mean like for real though, like that would be That's

(57:31):
that's a lot for her to you know, she had
to maintain a serious figure on that whole show.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
I saw a video recently. And then we'll get back
to the movie. Michelle Fiver went to visit the cat
suit from Batman Returns, and she was looking at us.
She's just like, I can't believe there was a time.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
I mean, I would be fascinated to know what her
diet was. I'm assuming like a spray of PAM cooking
spray in your mouth in the morning.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
She passed out like three times in the suit.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
And then you lick a power bar for lunch and
then and then dinner is a hot sauce packet all.
She was so so thin.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Yeah, I mean they had a vacuum sealer in it.
She passed out like two or three times, and also
had to learn how to use a whip in that
thing too.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Yeah, I imagine that was tough. It was Deanna Troy.
I can't believe I forgot Deanna Troy from Star Trek
the Nation Region. I'm embarrassed.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
You've redeemed yourself.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
I don't look it up either, I just my brain
just figured it out.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
So we're back at JFK Airport and oh yeah, they
flew out of JFK.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Yeah, I'm glad I didn't remember that when I flew
out of JFK, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
That's a good call. Mother Hubbard, so Alex also we
get to beat some of the other classmates, which includes
Clear Rivers. We have Carter played by Kurs Smith. We
have Valerie Luton who is the one of the teachers.
We also have Todd his brother Chad, and then we
have Billy played by Sean Williamscott in a backwards baseball cap.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Hey, my fellow kids, I was stiffler.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Or a should be Todd and George not Chad. Okay,
So that is when we also have Devin Salwa is
just starting to notice things around the airport. He's still
nervous and whatnot. And we also see that Clear is
picking up on it that he that he's got nervousness.
And that's also when Todd decides to ask if he
wants to go to the bathroom and take a pre
flight shit.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Yeah, you know, the altitude could do funny things to
a man and his guts. I liked that idea because
it's kind of that it kind of feels that human
need to find patterns. Yeah, it's kind of like deja vu,
you know how It's like I feel like I've done
this before, but I haven't. Why do I feel like

(59:37):
I've done this before. So it's almost like the idea
is to me, what I got from this is that
all these little things you noticing them, like your birth
date's the same as the whatever. So all these coincidences,
because you know, there's some people who don't even believe
in coincidences, that it's like that was death kind of
showing its hand in a way most people don't notice

(59:57):
because you've.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Got them sitting in the stall Rocky Mountain High by
John denverckhams on John famously died in a plane crash. Yes,
and deleted scene. I don't it wasn't on the disc,
but deleted scene apparently was they were gonna have the
girls also in their own bathroom as well, and clear
was going to be reading a magazine with an article
on Leonard Skinnard.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Oh man, that's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Yeah. So he uh, Devinsaw's character is sitting there and
he hears it and he's like, oh, John Denveres like
died in the plane crash. That's a little weird.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
I would have been like, let's let's switch the radio over. Hello.
It's like, all right, this is no music, no music,
no music. We're done.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
So they leave the bathroom they go back out. Devin
Saw was watching the flight boards at this point and
the heap seeing them flip. Some flights are canceling again,
just building on this tension, on this nervousness. And then
finally we move into the plane and the plane's a
bit chaotic. The classmates are all, you know, excited for
the trip. We also see that there's a baby on
the flight, a menutally challenged person, which prompts somebody to
be like, oh, well, then you know we're safe on

(01:00:53):
this flight. God wouldn't kill a baby or a mentally
a challenge person.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Yeah, yeah, God never does that. No, no, sa no suh. Well,
And and that's the other thing too, is international flights
are generally crowded, crowd like packed, and this is no exception.
It's just packed full of people. You've got a whole
high school class, You've got all these different people going

(01:01:17):
to Paris for all these different reasons, some connecting, some arriving.
And it does give you this really great sense of
the plane because you do see a little bit of
everything in an airplane. It's not uncommon to see nuns
and clergy and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
I always doctors love movie airplanes because they look so huge,
like they look like houses.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
On Well, international flights are really.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Big, really big. Yeah, because I always think of the
first time that I saw turbulence with Ray Liota. Oh yeah,
that plane is huge.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Well, yeah, because filming in a fake plane. Yeah, I've
heard so many stories. Well, just about the worst part
for Fred. Ray talked about this a bit with me
one time, because he did a couple of airplane movies. Yeah,
and he said the worst part was the seats, because
they're all you can pop them up and move them,
but it takes there's so many and it takes forever.

(01:02:08):
So anytime you want to reverse shot, you got to
move all those seats. But then you gotta find somewhere
to put them. Yeah, because if you take them off
the set, the plane set, or even sometimes a real plane,
but it's whatever, you know, fuselage. If you take them
too far away, it takes even longer to set up.
And then you'll you'll be like, well, let's stash those away,
we won't need them for a while, and then all
of a sudden it be like we got this bunch shot.
There's no seats in that in the back of the shot.

(01:02:29):
It's like, oh my god, somebody go find those cheers
and they're not light. Yeah, they're they're real. Yeah, So
because people have to be able to sit in them,
and it's like it's tight. You're breathing the same air.
You're trying to get air in, but you have lights
that are making it hot. I mean, now it wouldn't
be so bad with LED lights and stuff, but back then,
I mean you were, you were heating it up. I
mean I remember shooting in houses and stuff back before

(01:02:51):
LED lighting, and we don't have the level of lights.
You know, we'd have maybe four really strong lights and
we could just in the in the wind, we could
just turn the heat off because it would heat the house,
all the people, with all the lights, it would keep
the place warm. Yep. So yeah, I remember would not
want to be on.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
A shooting babysitter that we We did that a couple
of times. Is that thousand of the thousand watt? My god?

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
I love that light.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
It was so bright, so bright, and it hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Well, oh do you touch it?

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Oh? Yeah, couple of times yeah, that Matt and I
both did.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
We people used to laugh at me because I go
to a justice la there's yeah, and they'd be like,
don't you have gloves? Of course I have gloves. I'm
not using them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Yeah, you would laugh at me my gloves and be like,
oh oh, look at that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Somebody doesn't have chef hands.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
It's literally the one thing they instilled upon us in films.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Always have gloves if you're working in any capacity on
a set, and not just for that, because you just
never know when you have to lift up a couch
or something. You should just have gloves. Absolutely. But no,
So I've always heard that filming on an airplane can
be pretty awful. Oh I bet, and I mean obviously,
and this is it, and we're talking airplanes set. We're
not even talking a literal airplane.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
I mean, they can't look all as impressive as Freddie's
Nightmare is that one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
I almost out why he needed to fly out of Springwood,
but hey, it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Is what it is. So by this point, Alex sits down,
and he also is asked by two girls if he
can move seats so they can sit closer to this
one girl. He abides by it. He goes and sits down.
He goes to work on his trade table, but he
realizes that the table won't stay up because the button's broken.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Yeah, he pulls the button off and just was sitting there.
It wasn't actually attached to anything.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
And we also have this point have had some tension
between him and Carter. Carter's kind of a dick. We
pick up on that pretty quickly, and so eventually the
flight takes off. Everybody's cheering and they're like, you know,
our flight time is this, this and this. They get
up in the air and then hit some turbulence, makes
everybody nervous, and then it kind of straightens out. But
then there's a giant hole in the side of the
plane as a fire breaks out. The actually the oxygen

(01:04:47):
mask dropped down. Fire is sweeping through the plane. We
see Alex get it, We see a bunch of his
classmates get it. And the last thing that we see
is the fire reaching him, burning him as we zoom out,
and we show that he he just had a premonition
and they're still on the plane.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
And he's drenched in sweat. Yeah, and I want to mention,
by the way, if there was ever a way to
advertise like you need a surround sound system. It's just
all shit. It's just all the airplane crashes in famous movies. Yeah,
the Gray airplane crash amazing time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Oh the crashes in speed when we when we put
my Blu ray on that one night, Holy shit your
sound system.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Yeah yeah, it rumbles everything. You feel like you're in
a plane crash. And final destination was no exception no
on that. And one of my favorite things is when
he realizes what happened, he runs over to where he
where he was sitting. It is premonition is what he
thought was a dream at that point, and the button
comes from and comes off, so now he knows it's real.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
We start hearing some repeats of some things that I
think Sean Williamscott like costs on candy at one point,
and then also so he starts freaking out like the
plane's gonna fucking crash, the plane's gonna blow up, And
naturally everybody's like, oh my god, what, and you know,
Carter is like, hey, calm down. They get into a
huge fight. Long story short, they get kicked off the
plane then.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
And it's brilliant too because as I was rewatching it,
I didn't remember all the details. Yeah, he starts screaming like,
if you keep doing this, we'll take you off the plane.
But then Carter's just like dude stopping a dick. They
start finding he punches him. It's like, now you're all
off the plane because you just punched him too. So
they remove the five students. There's the two teachers.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Luckily, Luton goes over and she explains the situation that
they need to have a counselor in the air for
the kids, a chaperone, I mean, And so one of
the teachers goes back on the plane. Luton is stuck
with the students. And like you said, we see Shaw
Willams Scott watching the flight take off, and we see
Carter and Alex going at it still and he's just like,
you're fucking crazy, blahlah blah blah. And then Shaw Wiamscott

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looked at the plane as it goes up in the sky.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Bye, have fun in France or whatever. There they go,
and I love that it blows up right when it's
almost out of view. It's like at the last possible
second for you to see it happen, yeah, boom boom,
and it explodes the windows. It's a fireball, kind of
hits them a little bit. It's a huge shock wave.

(01:06:57):
It's so effective and it still got me just like
it did when I was a kid.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Yeah, no, it's it's it's unsettling. But also just even
though you expect it coming, like you said, it's just
still shocking when it happens.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Oh yeah, no, no, and and and I was just
so pleased that the movie still surprised me. Yeah, because
nothing's better than that. You know. I get no joy
out of rewatching something I loved as a kid and
it not being as good as I remember it, but
I get such a joy out of it getting me
one more time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
So naturally, some suspicion is now on Alex. How did
he know? How they know that was going to happen?
And the FBI is called in.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Well it does make sense. Yeah, and you know, and
this film, it's important to point out that it's pre
nine eleven, Yes, which is why you started wondering if
you'd flown pre nine to eleven. If it had been
post nine eleven, he would have been able to get
off that plane.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Real really eazy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
The moment he said like this play's gonna blow up,
they'd be like out out right now, right now, the
security is waiting for.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
They would have also had to get their like four
hours in advance and not gotten through security that easy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Yeah, I mean, I guess I've flown out of JFK. Yeah,
it was a long line of shoeless people.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
So survivors. Now we have Alex Todd Terry, who is
Carter's girlfriend. We also have the teacher Valerie Luton, Billy Hitchcock,
and Clear Rivers. They're all removed from the plane. They
all survived this explosion. Now and naturally, like I said,
the FBI is called in and they question Alex. But
we also have the names of the FBI agents, which
we have Agent Shrek and agent is it Whiney.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Agent Shrek and was it Whinney? Now I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Ween maybe, but Daniel Roebuck who plays Ween. And we
also have the great Roger Gouverner Smith who plays Agent
Shrek in this also it is two years before the
Shrek animated film comes out, Yes, and yeah it was
Ween Yeah, Ween Ween, And so they're asking him like,
you know, how did you know? And he's like trying
to explain his premonition. Immediately they are suspect of Alex,

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which I mean makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Yeah, And the actor who plays Agent Shrek, Roger Guenever
Gwenever' smith. I think I'm saying that right. He's a
great actor, great character actor. And I mentioned to you
when we when you came over while I was finishing
up the movie. Yeah, he's so intense in every role
I've ever seen it. Oh yeah, So he's a great
like off hooting character.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
One of my all time favorites of his. I don't
remember the year of it, but there's a movie called
Shade that has Sylvester Slone Melanie Griffith, Gabrielle Byrne, where
he plays a mob enforcer basically like the the second
in command, and he is terrifying even though he does
not raise his voice, he keeps it low the entire time.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Oh no, I mean he's so in two thousand and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Three eyes, his eyes are where that intensity is too.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Yeah, it was two thousand and three.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
No, he's he's so so good. And I first remembered
him really from being in Oz where he played one
of the uh he played one of the Muslim brotherhood
who was trying to kind of take over the brotherhood. Yeah,
and uh, he's just there's something about him. He can
so calmly say something that makes you really uncomfortable. Yeah,
he's almost like a red Herring, except that there is

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no red nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
We know who we know who's in this at this point,
or who's behind.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Me pretty much we'll give or take. Yeah. Yeah, so
but it's a very interesting He brings this interesting energy. Yeah,
which then Tony Todd's character also kind of brings this
likely quiet dread Well intensity.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
And Roebuck baby face Roebuck in this as I as
I said, uh, he Roebuck has a presence with him
that even when he's playing I mean he plays a
lot of cop rolls for one. Yeah, but even when
he plays these roles, he's still so good in delivering
like is he the good guy? Is he on our side?
Kind of thing. It's just like with this one in particular,

(01:10:36):
it's like he wants to believe Alex, but he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
I feel Dan Roebuck he's a phenomenal actor. Yeah, but
I find that his best like his type is bureaucrat
that you believe, actually care. Yeah, because there are a
lot of bureaucrats where like rolling your eyeses like I
have to lease s wort. But if he said, like
we just have to at least fifteen forms and then
I'll do everything I care for whatever you'd be like,
I believe you. Yeah, like let's let's he's got a

(01:10:59):
very disarming kindness to him, even I mean, even when
he played Monsters of History like Jay Leno.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Even even unpopular opinion he's one of the best parts
of the Monsters movie by Rob Zombie.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
I don't think that's an unpopular opinion. I think he
is absolutely, undoubtedly the best part of that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
I think that movie just has an unpopular opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Whether you like the movie or not, I think you're like, wow,
he's so good as Grandpa.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
So by this point, Alex is suspect number one. They
send him back home, and naturally everybody has to adjust
to the loss of the students. There's a huge uh situ,
a ceremony at the school. They have a statue that
they dedicate, which they have live music during the statue dedication.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Yeah, which is nice. They're well, I mean, they're rich
enough to go to Paris.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Well, and and the real thing is now everybody is
there's a split between grief, confusion, and anger and wondering
if this mother Hubbard over here is a soothsayer.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Well, he says, clear is the only one that believes
him basically about the premonition. She's the only one, and
she's she is the weird girl of this group. She
is she's an artist, she's reading all the time, and
she's not really friends with.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
That and is typical with any good horror film, she's
like super model hot while being all of those while
being the unpopular nerd girl.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Yeah, so by this point, she's one of the only
ones that really believes him. You've even got Todd's father
that wants to choke Alex at this point because he
Blameshi for George's death.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Yeah, that's and that's what I mean is like people
are trying to fer it, like is he a soothsayer?
Is he some kind of a supernatural cursed being? And
that's something that after years away from it, I kind
of forgot that element because you get so obsessed with
the idea, like in this film, luck is Jason Voorhies,
So I had forgotten that there's a whole element of

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people just wondering like are you a witch or are
you a psychic? Like what what is with you? And
then of course it's like if you saved you and
these people, Why did you save everybody? Yeah? Of course,
you know in reality, these would be the same people
who are like, just get all off the plane, let
us go to Paris. It's like he would have happily
had everybody stay on the ground, but that wasn't his call.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
That wasn't his call. So like it's thirty nine days
later at this point as well, when we have the
memorial service and we find out that Todd does not
have any permission to be near Alex at this point.
His dat is strictly forbidding him to be around him.
And so this kind of brings a tussle into Alex's
life because now he is suspect number one. He's very
well known in the community now, but not for a

(01:13:26):
good reason. And he's troubled. I mean he's troubled with
this because now he's trying to figure out, you know,
what is going on exactly well.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
And one thing I love about this movie is that
it explores survivor's guilt. Yeah in an unusual way, yeah,
still in a way. And I think survivor's guilt is
one of those things I wish was touched on more
because I think that it's easy to only focus on
victims are who are gone. Yeah, but to have that
moment where you're like, why me and not them? You know,

(01:13:55):
it's a really.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Hard pill to swallow, though, it really is.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
It's a hellish way to live knowing that you were
spared for for some reason you'll never know. And that's
the the big thing is, you know, there's no there's
never any closure in being the survivor of a tragedy,
especially when it's like you lived and hundreds died very
very hard. But of course then they'll I'm sure he's
also being torn apart by like was the premonition to

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save me and my friends?

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Or or what else?

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
Or what what is this? I mean, really, that's really
the question is what is this?

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Well, my biggest question is if most of your class dies,
do you automatically graduate or do you actually still have
to do studies at that point?

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Well, I mean, what is this? That that that movie
about when you're in college of your roommate on campus,
because it's like it's like the dead Man on Campus rule.
It's like, well, I mean I imagine they'd be like, well,
we really can't have you failing, because well, no child
left behind hasn't started yet, but we might lose our
funding anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Have you seen the horror version of Dead Man on
Campus called The Curve with Matthew Lillard?

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Oh god, yeah, yeah, no, yea, that's a fun that's
a I haven't heard Mark af ever. Yeah, that's a
great one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
Yeah. So by this point, obviously there's tension between Todd
and Alex and he's worried about Todd. And uh, one
night he's he's home alone, he's in his room and
he's flipping through a magazine. But then he ends up,
you know, deciding for a little tug time. So he
gets out a porno mag and he's getting ready to
do his thing, and then an owl comes out of
nowhere and lands on his window, scaring Alex, throwing the

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magazine into a fan, and that's when we get the
beautiful of because Todd only has one D in his name.
So the magazine hits the fan, shreds everywhere, and then
perfect piece of the word today Todd lands on sauwas
leg Now.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
Would an owl stop you or would you would just
be like no, You're like, I've trained, I've trained too
hard for this.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
I just love the fact that literally they named the
character Todd with one D so they could use that gag.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
I don't know how common one D Todd, but it is.
It is a thing. But no, it yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
I mean you see his house. His parents were not,
you know, so poor. They couldn't buy another vowel or
buy another letter.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Sound like my grandpa. And they asked him, do you
have a middle name like I do? He's like no,
Like why not? He's like, we were too poor to
afford middle names in the village I came from. That's
what he used to tell me.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
I thought he was serious to tell I was a teenager.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
I was like, what does it cost more? I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
But Todd, on the other end, is at his home.
He goes into his bathroom and he just needs to
shave at this point, apparently this is.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
Such a weird scene because oh, because not only does
he decide randomly to try and shave himself dryly. Yes,
and I get it. I like a smooth neck whenever possible,
and it is very hard to achieve for those out
there of the female variety. I don't know why I

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said it like that. The hard thing about shaving your
face is your hair grows in a bunch of different directions,
so you have to really learn the grain of your face,
and even then you may not be able to get
it all. So I understand like walking in the bathroom
and you're like, oh, that sounds scratchy. I'll just get that.
But he picks up a safety razer. Not Now, this
is a common misconception. A safety razor is not one

(01:17:08):
of those razors with the blade encased in plastic. That
is not a safety raiser. That's a disposable razor. A
safety raiser is a little metal handle that holds one
blade razor blade, and you can get an incredibly close
shaved with one of those, if you know what you're doing.
I actually really like safety blade shaving. Well, when I
saw that razor, my first thought was is that his

(01:17:28):
dad's because like, who wasn't just handed a Gillette yeah
when you were a kid. But also he goes to
shave dry with it, which you cannot do because with
a Gillette razor or whatever, those plastics's actually well and
they often have those little you know something or other. Yeah,
but he goes completely dry, so he immediately cuts himself.

(01:17:50):
But I just I just could not stop. It couldn't
get over the whole safety Razor cuts himself.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
That's the first part, right, And then at this point
he's also knocks something over into the sink. But what
he doesn't realize is that his toilet mysteriously starts leaking
blue water.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
Well are you are you not familiar with Oh you're not,
are you? Oh? With it's more it's more popular back then. Yeah,
but we used to have these thingies. You could either
they could either be attached to the side of the
bowl that would yeah yeah, yeah, and that's why the
water the tank was blue. That was my assumption, was

(01:18:26):
the water was blue, and which is also smart because
it made it easier to see on camera. Yeah, but no,
I remember, you know, like it was always like older
people's houses. I'd go there and I'd be like, the
toilet waters.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Does I say we had that at my parents' house.
I mean they I think Mom would just usually just
put the thing in there. But I've seen the ones
on the side that are also clipped out.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
I think there's one you can put in the tank.
I don't know. I just bleach. I just bleach my
toilet every week or so. But why do you bleach
my toilet?

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
I already do it, not your toilet, my toy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Oh sorry, maybe be a little bit more specific next time.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
So at this point we also get a bunch of
fake outs. There's an electric radio, there's a you know,
other things that they're just going around this room that
are just like, eh, could it happened this way? Could
it happened?

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
This great example of what it's like to live with
the constant anxiety of death.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Yeah. So he finally ends up slipping on the water
and doing so knocks all the shampoos down in his tub.
As he lands into the tub, a clothesline wraps around
his neck and starts completely choking him and hanging him.
And he can't kick because the shampoo is there, and
he also can't get to these scissors to cut it.
And the thing I love about this scene that is
also so haunting is his eyes start going super bloodshot.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
Oh yeah, yeah, no, they show what's causing his death. Yeah,
And I do love the fake out mm hm. I
really love that you think it's gonna be this way,
and you think it's gonna be this way, and then
it's this way. That was actually why when I saw
a Final Destination five. Yeah, in the theater after I
saw how great and fun it was. Yeah, it might
have been you. It was there was somebody probably wasn't you,

(01:19:51):
But there's somebody I talked to. No, there was somebody
I talked to. I said like, whow, I was really great,
and they're like, oh, you need to see the other ones,
you know, because it's been wild, like at least four.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Very welcome to me because I was a big I
was a big pusher for these movies.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
Yeah, I just don't think we were that close of
friends in twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
We were leaning because that would have been Babysitter was
shot twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
Yes, yes, the end of twenty yeah twelve, Yeah, maybe,
but either way, I just I just remember being told, hey,
that one's you know, the other one's are really good too,
because I think I'd only seen two at that point.
But that was what made me want to go see us.
I was, damn, they are not messing around, like there's
still It's kind of like how those later saw movies.
No matter how you felt about the story, they still
went all out and coming up with the contraption.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Absolutely did No, I I will defend the Saw movies
except for Spiral, which Spiral I don't hate. It's just
I really had a lot of promise with that movie
and was let down.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
He hates it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
I do not hate it. But anyway, so back to Todd.
He is his eyes are going bloodshot. He is trying
to cut this wire, can't get to it. Alex is
approaching his house more and more, but by the time
he gets to it, Todd's dead. And then we get
to the only instance of this happening in any of
the final of this Nation series. Death basically undoes the
water slip and sucks everything back into the toilet, making
it seem like it was a suicide.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
Well, and I think that I know you said, like,
this is the only time Death covered its tracks. Yes
and no, because because this was just the only one
that definitely looked like a suicide.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
Suicide. Yeah, at first like accidents.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
And then start to look like Devin Salah's committing murder. Yes,
so the teacher's wacky dead. Oh my god, we'll get there.
We'll get there so good. So by this point his
death is ruled a suicide. His dad straight up tells
Alex that he does not want to see him anymore,
calls him a murderer and says that it's all his fault. Yeah,
he blames He says that, like, my son was so

(01:21:39):
distraught with guilt that he killed himself. And he's like,
why would he kill himself? He makes a really good point,
says like we were making plans, Yeah, why would he
why he was not suicide and then kill himself.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
Yeah. So by this point Alex and Clear have spoken
a little bit more on it, and they get the
idea that they're going to sneak into the funeral home
to examine Todd's corpse, and ladies and gentlemen, this is
where we get our honorable cameo of the late Great
Tony Todd is William Bludworth. They break into the name too,
I know, they break into the mortuary. They're looking for

(01:22:10):
his body. They find his body, but it doesn't look
anything like him at this point because of the strangulation.
And that's when William Bloodworth comes in and tells them
that he basically knows who both of them are, knows
Alex by name, and I mean at this point he
goes into this monologue about how you cannot change the
path of death. Yeah, when death comes for you, it

(01:22:32):
comes for you, and if you miss it, if it
misses you, it's still gonna come back. Because one of
my favorite lines is that that's one mac daddy you
don't want to fuck with.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
Well, and he's a great it's a great pivot moment
to make you understand what's going on without like totally
spelling it out, because yeah, who is going to have
more of an opinion of death than the guy at
the mortuary who sees dead people every single day.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
In death, there are no accidents, no coincidences, no mishaps,
no escapes.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
It's it's it's a damn fine scene.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
Yeah, And I mean that is that is basically where
we get the idea that Tony Todd is death in
this franchise. But I have some trivia at the end
that may or may not change that for us.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
I'm very curious.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
So by this point, Alex is realizing that now death
is coming for them and he's got to figure out
what the order is that they died in the premonition
because there is a change to that, and also they're
just discussing their next move. They end up going to
a cafe and that is when we see Kurt Smith
is out with his girlfriend. We see that Shawn Wallis
Scott's riding Behy on his bicycle. One thing leads to another,
and Carter decides to run. Oh god, I can't think

(01:23:43):
of his name in the h What is his name?

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
Is a Billy you're talking about? Deal? No?

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
No, no, I know, Alex is it? I think it's
Billy is Shawn ways Gott? Yeah, Billy Hitchcock. Billy runs
Billy off his bike and all while this happens right
in front of Clear and Alex also val Lewton, their
teacher comes out. So now all the survivors are gathered
on a corner, and.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
Have we appreciated yet?

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Val Luten, Val Luton, Oh, I've got the whole list
at the end.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
Is that okay? Good? Yeah? That's a deep cut, good cut.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
I guess you didn't hear the other teacher's name. Now
what was it? Now? Yeah, m you are in a you?

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
Oh yeah, that one doesn't ring a bell for some reason.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
I think that's the director of No Saratu. Oh really,
I'm not mistaken yet.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
Well, and then I mean Shrek was the name of Yeah,
there's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Yeah, so by this point, they're at the cafe. They've
all caught up and uh, his girlfriend, h Carter's girlfriend
is freaking out, and she's just like, you know, if
this is what you're go if this is what you're
gonna do, like I don't want to be a part
of it, and this this is how you're gonna waste
your life, then you can both drop fucking dead, which
is the famous line as she walks into the street
and gets ran over by a bus.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
And and it's a great example of so you thought
you understood because we had this long drawn out thing,
but yeah, so just get you, just get you, just
get you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
And it sprays Alex with blood, who also now has
a seven on his face if you look really closely.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
Yeah, there's a lot of Easter eggs in this. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
So, after watching a news report on the cause of
the explosion, Alex then deduces that death is reclaiming the
survivors in the order that they took on the plane.
And now he's realizing that it's coming to miss Luton.
So Luton has by this point decided that she is
leaving town. She's left the school, and we cut to
her house and she's packing, she's talking to her a
psychiatrist on the phone, and everything that happens.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
This, my god, this is honestly probably the most famous. Yeah,
I would say, so, yeah, I would say. So.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
We see that she is uneasy, she's drinking some tea.
She finishes her tea and she puts some new one on.
And one thing I forgot to mention so far is
that every time death is sneaking into these people's lives,
we get like a black cloud like figure of it, almost.

Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
A shadow, like a shadow with nothing, kind of like
ghost with Patrick Squayze, you say that about every movie
I do, every movie? No, no, yeah, yeah, I would agree.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
So Luton is packing up her stuff, she hangs up
with a psychiatrist, and she wants to make more tea,
so she goes to the stove, puts another tea pot on,
and by this point she realizes that she's not moved
for tea because she gets spooked again, and so she
goes to the closet grabs a record to put on
that just so happens to be Rocky Mountain High by
John Denver.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
Oh boy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
And since she got spooked by I think it's like
a spider or something in her glass. She decides that
she's going to switch from hot tea to vodka from
her freezer. From her freezer, which automatically cracks the mug
as she's pouring in with a cheap mug, so she's
walking around her house the vodka is just dripping on
the floor. She doesn't realize that it's cracked at this point,
and also goes over to start packing up her computer.

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As she's holding the mug over, the water drips or
the vodka drips into the computer and starts shorting it out.
She goes back to packing another box, and also by
this point too, Alex is walking somewhere around the neighborhood
and we get another premonition of ashes. Ashes surround him,
and he knows that something's up.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
Not just ashes, they're like ember ashes, They're like they're
freshly like lighting up. They're on fire currently.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
So by this point now Alex realizes that she's in danger.
He was probably already walking over there for that matter too,
and he rushes over. But Luton is packing a box.
She hears her computer short out, goes up to it,
and right behind her is the shot of her front door,
which is the glass design of a dagger, which just
so happens to be very good foreshadowing as the computer
monitor burst sending a piece of shard right into her neck.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
Yes, which I mean, I guess it was a dell.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
So when the computer shorts out naturally, it also catches
all the vodka on fire that is dripped. So now
fire is going up to her and by this point
she is bleeding from the neck. She slips onto something
that I think it might be the vodka, so I
can't remember. There's so much that happens.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
Yeah, So she's reaching up trying to she pulls the
shard out of her neck, and that's when she decides
that she's also going to pull this towel up that
is over this night she's.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
Trying to her because now she's laying on the floor.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
And I do want to say, just real quick, uh huh,
that I know you were talking about, like vodka probably
wouldn't light up like that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
I don't think it would and stuff like that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
And my response is in this film, death kind of
uses cheek codes a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Yeah, but the Rube Goldberg cheek.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
Yeah, I said, I said. This ghost also known by
the other name Rube Goldberg, well the other the other.
If I had written this scene, yes, I would have
had her be like I would have had her open
the freezer, pull out the vodka bottle, have it be empty,
and then she'd go and grab a box like uh
like this other just said like from mom with love
and it just says like Kentucky on the address or something,

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and have her open it up and it'd be shine. Yeah,
that would be my way to fix that, but of
course that would make the scene a lot longer, yes,
when what we really need to do is talk about
getting that towel off of the Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
So by this point she's fallen on the ground, which
also skipped the record which made Rocky Mountain the High
start over. So she's also trying to get this towel
off a knife rack. Naturally, it's sitted right over the
knife rack to where she pulls it down. The knife
rack goes and gets she gets rained on by blades,
one specifically right into her chest, right into the middle
of her chest, and by this Alex has gotten into
the house. He's like, you know, how can I help?

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And then and she's just looking at like because she's
dying yeah. And then the fire is caught up to
the oven, which makes the oven explode. Yes, and then
knock a chair down that hammers the knife into her chest,
killing her.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
Which that that it was like a vampire movie. The
chair tips over and just deep digs it deeper in.
But what does he do? And I will say, Yeah,
you gotta give his character a little bit of a break.
He's a kid, Yeah, supposed to be like seventeen or
eighteen years old. So the first thought he has is
he pulls the knife out of her chest, try and help.
But now he's standing in the with a blood knife,

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dead teacher. And as he walks out, you see his
footprints in the blood.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
Yes. And then by this point also Billy is riding
past the house on his bike. Alex comes running out
of the house. The house explodes, knocks both of them
to the ground, and now the cops have him by
another or near another body.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
Yeah, it's not looking great.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
It's not looking great.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
It's starting to look like I believe what they determined.
They were saying that his survivor's guilt had pushed him
to kill.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
Yeah. And it gets worse because they interrogate him again
and he basically says, the longer you keep me in here,
somebody else might die. But what if we keep you
in here and nobody dies is basically.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
The question I did like that's line.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
But they have nothing to hold him on, so they
have to let him go. So by this point everybody
is nervous.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
Had bloody shoe bloody would he have OJ's lawyer come on?

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
Apparently, So Carter clear Billy all end up meeting in
Carter's car as they're all driving, and that's when Alex
is trying to explain to them that there is a pattern,
but he won't say who's next because Carter wants to know.
Carter is fucking scared at this point. He's just like
I can't die, but like who's next on the list?
And he will not tell him, and he's like it's me,
isn't it. So there's a whole scene where Carter has
them speeding in his car. He's playing dangerously and then

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trying to go past traffic, ending with them parking on
the train.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
Tracks, which why not?

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
Why not?

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
Right? Come on?

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
So everybody gets out of the car, of course, because
the train is approaching, except for Carter, who's just like
I can't die, you know, And if I am going
to die, then I want to be the one in
control of it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
Well, he does say something great right before his girlfriend dies,
where he says like, I'm never gonna die. Yeah, I
was like, wow, teenager just saying what.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
The And so by this point now he is also
the only one left in the car and stuck with
his seat belt because the seat belt will not unbuckle
when the train is approaching and approaching. Finally Alex pulls
him loose from the car. They all hit the ground.
The car gets smashed by the train, and they're fighting.
You've got Billy who's freaked out at this point, and
he's just like, I'm not gonna be here any of
you guys. Before all this is happening, we see a

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piece of metal, a jagged piece of metal on the
train tracks, just flipping up and down while the train
goes past it. And then a wheel hits it, spins it,
and Billy.

Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
Gets decapitated straight up, head cut off, head.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Cut off, falls to the ground. The corpse is standing
in that classic fashion for a couple seconds and then
topples over.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
And I want to point out that so far the
deaths in this film have been consistently different, yeah, from
each other, because you have the of the plane explosion,
but then you have the quasi suicide, which is strangulation,
which was very slow drawn out and gruesome. Then you
have the teacher getting stabbed through the art. It's very
gruesome in your face, visceral. Yeah, but I would say

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very different. You had the bus just before that, you
had the bus smashing the girl out of nowhere, really startling. Yeah,
and now and now you have just an out of
nowhere decapitation. And I love that because it keeps you
really on edge. It does because you're like, okay, so
it can either creep up on you or just just happen.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
Just happened. And I mean and as we get further
into the movies, that happens way more where it's just
like the deaths are one shots. There's no Rube Goldberg
of this pipe hit going there. It's just like, oh no,
this thing broke loosen and paled you.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
They usually go the most on that in the opening, yeah,
which I appreciate, which the opening is of course the uh,
the premonition, remedition.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Yeah. So now Alex is completely paranoid. He's also talked
to Clear. By this point, there's a really cute scene
where he goes to see Clear, who is working on
she does like shop work and like does like steal
sculptures and actually as stulted Alex because she basically says,
like I look at you and like we used to
be close, but like I didn't know you for so long,
and then that night at the airport, I feel like
I understood you again. Yeah, but you also still confuse me.

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But by this point the chicks are weird. But by
this point too, Alex is completely paranoid, and he has
isolated himself from everybody in this cabin that he's fortified.
He's duct taped everything so that it doesn't fall down lamps.

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
And I gotta say his level of care perfect for
a teenage boy. He's putting duct tape against all the
things on the side of the wall to keep it all.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
There, and the edges are taken care of.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
He's eating one can of cat cat food with gloves
with yeah, he puts on gloves to do anything. Yep,
it's and he has a fire extinguisher right next to
where he's sitting and even still was in a fishing
pole falls over and starts opening a door.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
Death is a caddy bitch and blows into the into
the cabin, knocks over a trash can, which knocks over
a can that goes into a fishing pole that pulls
that falls over, and the holes the hooks, the door handle.

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
He holds it shut, and a blade. Apparently that whole
closet was just full of death implements, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Fish hooks a site that God knows what else is
in there, and he basically tells Death, I got you,
like you can't get me. I got you. You may
not be able to get me right now, or you
may be able to get me later, but you can't
get me right now. I got this place fucking sealed up.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
Yeah, which it's adorable. He thought that this was. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
So as we get to the conclusion of Final Destination,
he is in this cabin. He's shooting paper wads, and
we also see that Clear is back at her house
home alone this night, and a storm starts moving through,
so he throws one ball of paper and it leads
him to his yearbook, where he sees the two girls
that swept seats, the feeling that he did not, so
his order is off. Now and now he realizes that

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death is going for Clear. Yes, and it's clear. It's
clear as day, clear as day. So as he's running
out of the cabin, the FBI agents have actually arrived
at this point, and he gets into a canoe and
escapes the authorities on a canoe.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
For as serious as this whole situation is, yeah, him
escaping on a canoe with a paddle is very funny.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
Especially if they have guns drawn, and they easily could
have stopped him.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
Well luckily Roebuck, as I said, the trustworthy bureaucrat. Yeah,
in any film, Yeah, it was like, well, just get
in the cars and we'll drive around. We'll catch him
over there. It's like, yeah, you don't know that he's
done anything, don't shoot him.

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
So Clear is at her house and she is in
her bedroom. A candle suddenly blows out and we start
to hear some shorting out. So she goes out of
the bedroom and at this point the bedroom just catches fire.

Speaker 1 (01:35:21):
Yeah, out of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
Yeah, So everything starts catching fire in her house and
by this point Alex has somehow made it across the
lake and record time and is approaching her house. He
goes through the Woods ends up tripping, almost getting him
paled by a log at one point.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Yes, oh man, that's one of those moments I always
remember too. He rolls down a hill, yeah, stops right
in front of a big splinter.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
Which reminded me of Steve Martin in Planes Trains. And
that's basically what this movie is missing is del Griffith.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
It's the only thing that's going to say, we've got
I'm gonna get you back to Chicago and away from death.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
So he gets to clear his house. By this point,
a live wire has broken loose and is going everywhere.
Clear is in the backyard trying to save her dog,
and by doing so also breaks her pool, which now
has water going all over the backyard. So now the
live wires is getting ready touch the water. She ends
up missing it just barely and is like clinging to
a uh oh shit, what do they call it? What's

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the thing on the side of the house that you
can climb? A trellis truss? So she clean she's clinging
to a trellis. By this point, Alex has arrived. He's like,
you know, I'll take care of it. She gets back
into her house, somehow gets into the garage is in
the is getting it ready to drive the car out.
The garage door fails, the wire breaks loose again in
the garage. It's a crazy ass scene.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
It's an incredible scene, and I apologize I lost my
concentration because I just started thinking of Del Griffith, Del,
what are you doing here? My wife's been gone for
nine years. I was supposed to be in that car too,
but I had eaten some clams and they weren't settling right.
So I told her i'd catch up with her anyway
so I could.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
The next time. Desk coming for you have a point?

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
Okay, it's so much better for the person you're trying
to kill, Like, am I gonna die because the mouthwash
is flammable? Am I gonna die because the bed's electric
and you've got beer all over it?

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
Blanes trains all destinations like your final So she gets
the car out. By this point, also, the wire has
now gone right by the car, and he's like, you know,
stay in the car. The rubbers grounded, Like you're good,
I'm gonna take care of this. He grabs the wire.
It blows him back in the garage. The power completely
of gets shut down by this point and everybody's safe.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
And this part I had actually forgotten how the movie
ended somewhat. I forgot that, like it was it all
happens like that because the concept of him dying than
getting resuscitated to full death because I had seen all
the sequels. Yeah, my brain was like, no, death is
way too pernisial. Oh we haven't established that. Yeah, we

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haven't established that death is impossibly pernicious. That's in the sequels.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
This it's taddy.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
So in this one, it's like it's like a you know,
a technicality.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
Yeah, so we get a fake out. We see that
like there's a white light, but then we see that
they're exit and airplane, and that's when we see that.
It's six months later now and Alex Clear and Carter
have finally traveled to Paris. So they're enjoying some beers
at a local place. There's some atmosphere going on, and
it's it's a good time, except for Alex is still unsure,
and he reveals that he thinks that death never skipped

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them because after saving Clear, he's now kind of restarted everything.

Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
And why would he be worried. I mean, everything's going great.
They're in Paris and Clear are both blonde now.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
For some reason.

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
Yeah, you know, everything's coming up good.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
And then the guitar guy behind them that was playing
some other songs starts playing a French version of Rocky
Mountain High Yep. And we also see that a pipe
is rolling across some some like scaffolding that knocks over
all these nails.

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
Yeah, we see a lot of mouse trap ass shit happening.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
We do. As a bus is coming closer as well,
we see that Alex is uneasy. He's like, I'll beat
you guys back at the hotel and Clear He's like, no, no,
I'll go with you. He's like, no, stay here, And
as he's walking out of the street, Clear uh you know,
gets his attention. The bus barely misses him in doing so,
goes off path, runs into a car, runs into this sign.
This sign gets knocked loose and it's getting ready to
head right for Alex. Carter comes in and pushes him

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right out of the way, and that's when he's like, uh,
you know, I told you like we're okay, and he's like, no,
it wasn't me. And he's like, well then who is it?
As the sign swings back one eighty and that is
two thousands its final destination.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
Yes, yes, and and like I said, solid ending, but
after seeing all the sequels, I forgot that the first
one had such a quaint yeah ending basically that he
cheats death.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
By coming back and then yeah, Carter gets it in
a one eighty sign that literally says one eighty as
it comes back.

Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
The flight number, which is another They hide so many
great little little tidbits in there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
So would you like to know what the budget was
on the film? Yes, twenty three million.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
Oh that's pretty reasonable.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
Opening weekend is March nineteenth, of two thousand, takes in
ten million US gross, ends up being fifty three million,
grossing worldwide one hundred and twelve million dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
Not bad, especially back then. That would definitely be considered
a hit.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
Yeah. Absolutely Filmed in Vancouver, Victoria, Canada. Filming began January
eleventh of ninety nine and wrapped May twenty eighth of
ninety nine, with one pickup shot in November. I want
to say, nice.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
Yeah, yeah, that's it's crazy because like that's actually a
pretty expensive horror movie for that time period especially, and
it really paid off.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
Yeah. So the story was originally going to be a
concept for an episode of The X Files, which was
inspired by Soul Survivor, the movie you told me about
from eighty four.

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
I love Soul Survivor. Extremely underrated.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
I need to check it out. In this movie. It's
still not cheap. Oh I should. Yeah. In this movie,
a woman who was a sole survivor of a plane
craft starts to be haunted by dead people that death
uses temporarily as vessels trying to kill her to correct
explan in killing everyone who suspected.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
Yeah, and for those trying to say it's a ripoff,
I wouldn't call it a rip off because sole survivor
is very it's very different death is in these like
zombie like beings. Yeah, it's basically in sole survivor. Anyone
who dies, anyone can now become this vessel trying to
kill the people that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
Were almost like, don't kill it. Kind of yeah. Kind
In the first draft of the script, the survivors that
get off the plane were seven strangers. Due to teen
Slash's popularity at the time, the survivors were changed to
high school students.

Speaker 1 (01:41:26):
That makes sense. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
A miniature model of a Boeing seven forty seven airplane
was created for the explosion scene. The model, one of
the most detailed miniature scenes in the film, was about
ten feet long and seven feet wide. The landing gear
was made from all machine metals. According to visual effects
supervisor Aerial Vascalo Shaw, the miniature had to be launched
about forty feet up in the air to make it
look like a real Bowing seven forty seven exploded into

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a fireball. If blowing up a four foot plane, the
explosion must be a minimum of eight feet in the air.
To film the explosion in detail, the crew used three
cameras running one hundred and twenty frames per second and
one camera running three hundred frames per second. If they
had filmed using a real time camera, the succession of
the explosion would not be filmed in particular order.

Speaker 1 (01:42:05):
Well, and it's important to keep in mind that when
when things get smaller, yeah, the mass decreases, So the
bigger something is, the slower it is able to move.
So there's actually, I don't know it, but there's a
Brett Piper actually taught me this. He's a guy who's
all about stop motion animation and miniatures and stuff like that.
He taught me that you can do a mathematical equation

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for what frame rate the camera should roll at in
order to create the mass of the object. Okay, and
it's why. One of my favorite examples of this is
when Godzilla roars in the old Toho movies. I'm sure
you probably remember that. There's always that moment where you're like, Oh,
he's gonna do it, He's gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
He goes Eh.

Speaker 1 (01:42:45):
The reason for that long wait is because they had
to speed the camera up to make him look like
he has masks. Yeah, so when the actor in the
suit is told like, now roar, that's gonna happen like
seven seconds later because time is way, way faster. So
that makes perfect sense.

Speaker 2 (01:43:02):
Two hundred and eighty seven people die in Flight one
eighty disaster. The plane was built on a gimbal to
make it shake. The plane was set. The plane set
was later torn down and changed to Clear's top floor,
which she runs through in the storm sequence.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
Oh nice, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
The flight charterboard in the airport was not part of
the scene. It was a CGI effect. When everyone stares
at Alex after the plane explodes, both Billy or both
Terry and Billy's deaths are foreshadowed. While Terry is staring
at Alex, there's a picture of a bus in the background.
While Billy is looking up at the plane taking off,
the reflection of the plane is shown across his face.
It is flying in line right where the piece of

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car decapitates him later in the film, That's perfect. Much
of the news footage shown is actual footage from the
July nineteen ninety six explosion and crass of TWA flight
eight hundred off East Marches Long Island, New York.

Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
Oh wow. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
The Alka Selter sequence which follows Terry getting hit by
the bus had to be extended as test audiences were
still recovering from shock.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
Yeah, that is now that you mention it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:58):
It's long.

Speaker 1 (01:43:59):
It's a bit long, which makes sense. It gives them
a second to catch their breath and figure out what
the hell's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
Yeah. On his way to missus Luton's house, Alexy's ashes
floating around his head, foreshadowing the fire. The exterior of
miss Luton's house was built in five days. The residents
of Vancouver didn't want the filmmakers to blow it up,
as they thought it was a nice house.

Speaker 1 (01:44:16):
That's the most Canada thing I've ever heard in my life. Obviously,
hope you have to blow it up. Eh, it's pretty nice. Eh.

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
The piece of glass that went into miss Luton's neck
was from the computer was done backwards. They shot the
glass being yanked away from her neck with a line
which was digitally erased. Actress Kristen Kloak was put under
a fake wooden floor with silicone body on top. This
was so the knife couldn't pale the character without injuring
the actor.

Speaker 1 (01:44:38):
I mean, you know, that's one way to do it. Now,
That's why it's so effective, because you really see it
just go in.

Speaker 2 (01:44:43):
Yeah. The train scene in which Carter's car is smashed
by the train was one of the most difficult scenes
to shoot. The car used for the crash was a
replica of the original severed and half prior to filming.
According to Sonderhoff, in order to ensure the safety of
the actors, they had to make sure that there was
no real sheet metal in the car.

Speaker 1 (01:44:59):
Is absolutely true. Yeah, that would be really hard to
do safely.

Speaker 2 (01:45:03):
In the opening scene, Devin Sawble was supposed to pretend
to be asleep. He actually fell asleep for four hours.

Speaker 1 (01:45:09):
Well, good for him. Get your rest King.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
While Alex is sitting in his bedroom reading a magazine
and Al lands on a tree branch outside the window.
And many cultures, owls are viewed as omens of death.

Speaker 1 (01:45:19):
Hmmm.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
The scene where Carter elbows, Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
Yeah, who's gonna die? Hooo oh No.

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
The scene where Carter elbows Billy in the car was
added in because the day of shooting, Sean William Scott
had a sore lip. To hide it, the makeup team
added blood and the end result was of Carter elbowing Billy.

Speaker 1 (01:45:35):
That's a nice way to hide that, yeh. Smart.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
In the last scene at the cafe, the sign that
breaks Reey from its holding brackets spells one to eighty in.

Speaker 1 (01:45:42):
Reverse, which is the name of the flight. That was
one of my favorites because that one I really caught.

Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
Most characters of film are named after filmmakers or stars
from black and white horror films. Terry Cheney was named
after Lawn Cheney. Todd Wagner after director George Wagner, Alex
Browning after director Todd Browning, Larry murnaw now after director F. W. Mornaw,
who directed Do s Farratu, A Symphony of horror agent
Shrek after Max Shrek who played in Nose Farratu, Blake

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Dreyer after Carl Theodor Dreyer who directed Vampire, Howard Siegel
after Don Siegel, who directed Dirty Harry, Billy Hitchcock out
after Alfred Hitchcock, and Valerie Luton after horror film producer
of value.

Speaker 1 (01:46:20):
I whanted you be like Hitchcock after Bucky Hitchcock, who
owned a chain of chicken restaurants in the nineteen sixties.

Speaker 2 (01:46:25):
Considering his extensive knowledge of death design and how it works,
many File Destination fans have theorized that William Bloodworth is
the human personification of death, or at least comes some
kind of representative for death. However, both Tony Todd himself
and File Destination producers have denied that being true. So
for the purposes of this theory, Bloodworth is a human
being with no known connection to death itself.

Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
See well yes and no yeah. See to me, he
had a poetic connection to death. He had a literal
one yeah, because he sees death all the time, so
he would have a better understanding of death in that
he could be like, I see every type of person
come through here. I see everyone I see people who
you know, jog five out five miles a day to
and eat only lettuce die of heart attacks. I see,

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you know everything. I see people who are eighty years
old and did nothing but cocaine and fried chicken their
whole lives, and they made it to eighty one and died,
you know, peacefully in their sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
I just never know.

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
That's what the vibe I got was not that he
was literally supernatural.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47:23):
Well, and and his creepy tone helps the movie. Yeah,
it really sells a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
I mean he, like I said, he's in the movie
for four minutes if that, and steals that entire scene.

Speaker 1 (01:47:34):
Oh god. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:36):
The DVD features the following deleted scenes, a love scene
between Alex and Clear on the beach, a pregnancy test
which reveals that Clear is pregnant from having sex with Alex,
and a third ending where Alex is electrocuted and dies
after having their child. Clear has the gift of seeing
death before it happens. Carter also survives.

Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
This was a New Line movie, right, you know why
they cut out the pregnancy test, right? Was that h
somebody there? It was probably bob Sha. Bob Sha was like,
do you remember Nightmare on Elm Street five because what
they learned from that movie was teens don't want to
go and watch a movie about an accidental teen pregnancy.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
Yeah, I mean they don't. The opening of five is
still one of my all time favorites because it's just
so unlike any of them.

Speaker 1 (01:48:15):
Oh for sure. Now there's a lot to like in five,
even for all of its drawbacks. But I've always heard
that that was the big thing was people were like, yeah,
the teenagers don't want to come and see a movie
about the penalties of teen sex.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
They do not. And finally, the film had major impact
in the horror film audience, earning the Saturn Award for
Best Horror Film in two thousand. Saw Will won the
Saturn Award for Best Performance by a Younger Actor the
same year, and Larder won the Young Hollywood Award for
Breakthrough Performance by a Female. So what are your final
thoughts on two thousand's final destination?

Speaker 1 (01:48:46):
I mean, it's at the very least a rent it.
But if you're a horror movie aficionado, this movie has
become a classic without a doubt, without a doubt, and
it spawned an incredible amount of sequels. I think that
the best thing to do is buy a set. Yeah,
so you could have all of them, because even if
the other ones degrade in some degree of like own

(01:49:07):
it quality. Yeah, having it all in one package just
guarantees that if you ever really need a good excuse
to eat a bag of popcorn, you're set.

Speaker 2 (01:49:16):
I mean. The impact of Final Destination is the fact
that what is the number one scene that anybody remembers
from the entire series, the log truck, which is in two.

Speaker 1 (01:49:23):
Yeah. So I mean yeah, I mean every time I
see a truck full of logs, I'm like, I don't
think so it's just I'm gonna get it. No, I
mean it's it is a rent it with a caveat
to buy it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:33):
Because this is a very important franchise in in Horse cinema,
but not just Horse and a Cinema entirely. I mean
it was this This ran for a long time in
the sense that it was a very popular franchise and
still is. We're getting a sequel literally the end of
this week.

Speaker 1 (01:49:47):
Yeah, we'll be talking about it next the follow us.

Speaker 2 (01:49:49):
We will. But yeah, I mean, this is this is
a very important film and also, as we've you know,
made this episode as an honor to Tony Todd. He
is great in this and he's not in it very much,
but just again that presence, I mean he was. He
was a character actor that had a body to not
had a body of work that went so many decades

(01:50:10):
and never did I tire of seeing him in anything
does matter?

Speaker 1 (01:50:14):
I couldn't agree more. He was like, it was like
bringing in a ringer. We need this scene to be chilling.
Let's get Tony Todd.

Speaker 2 (01:50:19):
Yeah, yeah, I mean literally. His appearance in the Screen
TV series, which is I think season three again another
one of those campuises, which is the whole shit that's
Tony Todd.

Speaker 1 (01:50:27):
Yeah, I mean so I like the season one and
two more because three was was actually a revamped revamping.
But he was my favorite part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
Oh yeah, without a doubt. So we always liked on
the show. With a couple of recommendations this week, I
have two, starting with twenty eighteens Blumhouse is Truth or
Dare Rentable currently on Prime and Fandango. A harmless game
of Truth or Dare among friends turns deadly when someone
or something begins to punish those who tell a lie
or refuse to the Dare I really love that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
Yeah, I need to revisit it. I remember when we
walked out of the theater, I was like, damn, all right,
dark ending.

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
But it has filled this nation, vibes to it all
through it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:00):
It totally does. I mean. Yeah, the idea of some
unseeable force getting revenge, yeah, I mean it's I think
that very little anything that I'm not thinking of right
now that did it first, Final Destination did it in
the most memorable possible way.

Speaker 2 (01:51:17):
No, it absolutely did. And my second recommendation kind of
astray for this one, But I think the general idea
of not trying to die when death is for sure.
Twenty twenty two is Fall, currently available on twov You
can also rent it on Prime and fandango. When a
high rise climb goes wrong, best friends Becky and Hunter
find themselves stuck at the top of a two thousand

(01:51:37):
foot TV tower. If you are afraid of heights, do
not watch this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:51:41):
Or if you're like me, if you are afraid of heights,
watch this movie immediately.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
On a giant screen.

Speaker 1 (01:51:46):
Yes alone.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
God, dude, some of the shots in this movie are.

Speaker 1 (01:51:50):
Oh no, it's brilliant. It's so good in the theater.
It was an incredible experience. I get nervous thinking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
We're getting a sequel some point, Oh yeah, fall harder
for harder. So what's your recommendation?

Speaker 1 (01:52:00):
My recommendation. We actually alluded to it earlier. It's nineteen
eighty four Sole Survivor, because this is such an underrated
great film. The IMDb synopsis is a lone survivor of
Planyegrass is haunted by a feeling unworthy of a feeling
unworthy of survival. Dead people start coming after her to
collect her. And that's pretty much it. It's just the
way it's done is so creepy and simple and scary.

(01:52:26):
You see a very very young Brink Stevens in it.
This was like right after she did slumber Heady Raps. Yeah,
And two things about this movie. Number one, I had
never heard of it. I was literally hanging out one
Friday night. It was just me and my buddy Jeff,
our buddy Jeff, and I was flipping through shutter and
I picked it at random.

Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
I think Joe Bob had wrapped it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:46):
Wasn't that it, I mean it wasn't the same night
as No, we just it was only us, so Yeah,
but I picked Soul Survivor because I'd never heard of it,
and we were in a smasher trash like, Yeah, we
would either keep watching it or we wouldn't. We watched
it all the way through. We were shocked how much
we liked it, how creepy it was, how scary it was.
Sadly no longer on shutter, it is available to stream
free on Fossome, which is awesome with an f yep,

(01:53:08):
or you can rent it wherever you rent your movies.
But Soul Survivor is super creepy. But here's the thing
people don't talk about enough about this movie. It is
a dark, gritty, creepy, eerie movie directed by a guy
named Tom Eberhart. In nineteen eighty four, Tom Eberhart made
another movie that's much more famous and well known that

(01:53:30):
is absolutely nothing like Soul Survivor. And I love this.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:53:36):
He directed Night of the Comet. No shit, the Comet
is the most youthful, sunny, even though it's sad and dark, sunny, youthful, energetic, colorful,
wild experience.

Speaker 2 (01:53:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:53:49):
Same year he made one of the most like it
was It's from eighty four. It feels like nineteen seventy seven.
It's very old school but very worth your time. I'm serious.
We'll get my blue you can take it home. Let's
your homework, young man. Sounds good, but yeah. Sole Survivor
from nineteen eighty four is my suggestion. I do think there.
It gives a little feeling a final destination, but it's very,

(01:54:11):
very different.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
There is a movie that's an ospilitation that I've been
wanting to get, and I think seven put out the
blu Ray It may still have it at this point,
called The Survivor, which is about a bus crash that
happens and one person walks away or no, it's a
plane crash.

Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
It's place.

Speaker 2 (01:54:24):
It's a plane crash out, oh okay, and one person
walks away, and then all the survivors form into like
vengeful beings to come after the one that was supposed
to be with them.

Speaker 1 (01:54:35):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
Yeah, okay, So I'm dying to see that. So do
we have any emails this week?

Speaker 1 (01:54:39):
I'll double check. But last I saw nobody loves us anymore?

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
Sadness.

Speaker 1 (01:54:43):
We had so many emails for such a while. So yeah,
nothing here today's week. But if you want to send
us an email, yes, all you have to do is
type in do you even movie pod at gmail dot com.
We would love to hear from anybody who wants to
write in, whether it's commenting on the movies we watched,
telling us a movie we should watch, or whatever you
want to want to send our way. We do appreciate

(01:55:04):
that a whole lot. You can also just go to
dooevenmovie dot com. There's a contact form. Every way to
get a hold of us can be found there as well,
and a fixed web store and a web store that works.
Still nobody's used it, but it is up and running
and running, so it does exist. And we do have
a T shirt and coffee mug and a few other
things that might just fend death away.

Speaker 2 (01:55:24):
Not a guarantee, but don't put boiling liquid into that
mug and then switch to cold liquid.

Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
No, I say do it because if it breaks, I
will complain to the manufacturer for you.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
That's fair, yeah, because it should be able to. So
would you like to know what we are talking about
next week on the show?

Speaker 1 (01:55:38):
Well, I don't, I mean I guess so, since there's
nothing I can do to stop fate.

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
So we are kind of cheating next week. But we're
cheating because of a listener request. We got a request
from Nicole El who wanted to us to discuss nineteen
seventy six is Carrie Oh with Sissy Spacek on the
show for her birthday, which is I believe a couple
days after. I want to say, well, I'll have that
information for sure. I haven't written down, but yeah, Carrie

(01:56:02):
currently available on Max, Hulu and Roku. This is going
to pay tribute to two actually, because back in twenty
twenty three we lost the great Piper Laurie, who originally
was going to be the cheat for this in unfortunately
and fortunately we also had a death recently from the
film Priscilla Pointer passed a couple weeks back, and she
plays the teacher in the film Wow. So we are
gonna have two honors on that of nineteen seventy six

(01:56:24):
Is Carrie, which I am excited to revisit. I have
not seen that in a while. And between you and me,
I might have a four K because Hubret Music and
Video has one for sixteen ninety nine right now, and
that's a really good price for the four K because
the slipcover's fucked up. Ooh, so I might go pick
that up.

Speaker 1 (01:56:39):
Well, Hell's Bells and taco shell.

Speaker 2 (01:56:41):
Yeah. But yeah, we're gonna be talking about Kerrie next
week on the show as we continue. May they rest
in peace.

Speaker 1 (01:56:46):
It sounds pretty uh, I'll say good, even though it's
really dark, really sad. So but thank you guys so
much for joining us for another episode of Do You
Even Movie? We do appreciate it. As I said, you
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And I do read and respond to all of them.
And if they're pertinent to David, I can David in
on it. Yeah. Yes, so that's all I have to say.

Speaker 2 (01:57:22):
So I guess that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:24):
I guess that is it for this week.

Speaker 2 (01:57:27):
Yes, maybe maybe maybe, but so.

Speaker 1 (01:57:32):
I guess all that's left to say, my friends is.

Speaker 2 (01:57:34):
We will see you next. They're all gonna laugh at you.

Speaker 1 (01:57:38):
Oh god, I was gonna go with the you know
you can't fight fate, but that works too. Oh man,
plug it up, Plug it up,

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