Hard Rain (1998) – Explosive Action in a Flooded Town! - Do You Even Movie? Exploring Obscure Gems and Cult Classics

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Storm of the century. Oh, we all gonna Dad
and the opportunity. We have the money of a lifetime.
But you're the sheriff and the what Morgan Freeman Christians Later.

(00:25):
Hard Rain Rated R starts Friday, January sixteenth, in a
world where podcasts reign supreme. Two Friends Dare to Ask
Do You even? Movie? Hosted by filmmaker Enrique Kuto and

(00:51):
movie aficionado David de Noyer. Spoiler alert. I know that
you know you had the very wholesome upbringings. No, I'm

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just saying, like you did you know what was the
first concert you went to?

Speaker 2 (01:20):
If we're going by the standard of the actual concert
first concert I went to, it would have been Aaron
Carter at King's Island when I was like six or seven.
If we're going by the first concert that actually confirm
and will actually stand abide through, the first concert that
was been Alice Cooper. How old I would have saw
Alice when I was I thank you for a second,

(01:46):
Probably like thirteen. I think thirteen when I saw Alice Cooper.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
That's a little young to see Alice Cooper. Yeah, it's
so funny because my dad would have loved more than
anything in the world if I had wanted to see Alice,
that makes sense. Yeah, but no, my first concert sixteen
years old Buckethead. Yeah, God lave that at Bogarts in Cincinnati,

(02:12):
and my dad bought the ticket as a gift for
my I think seventeenth birthday or fifteenth one of those.
I can't remember exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
My early concerts included. So the first one was the
like I said, Alice Cooper, which Mom took me to phrase.
Pavilion was where I went for a lot of them.
So that's where I saw Huey Lewis in the news.
That's where I saw Chris Christofferson. That's where I saw
I think zz Top was. I think it was my
first time seeing zz Top was at Yeah, it was
definitely a phrase because it was raining and we were
in the nosebleeds. And then I saw Sticks at the

(02:41):
County Fair one time. This is so wholesome. I'm trying
to think what else. Yeah, I've I've seen Alice ten times.
I know that much like he's the one that I've
seen multiple times. I've seen Stone Sour a couple of
times because I won tickets to one show. I've seen
Event sevenfold, a couple of times, but as far as
like repeats, I will always go and see Alice for

(03:03):
the most part.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
You probably have seen Alice Cooper more times than I've
been to concerts.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah, I actually would believe that.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
I mean I I depending on how you define concert, yeah,
because I consider concert different than going to a show.
Going to a show. A show is like I played
shows yeah, yeah, yeah, and went to my friends shows
yeah around town.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Going to a show is definitely different than a concert.
Like I would consider like ex Fest of course being
a concert because it's a day of concerts.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
I would consider it's a concert if you have to
pay a ticket master, yeah, basically, or Live Nation or
whatever the balls it is.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Or if the merch is like forty and up, well,
now it really is.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, but yeah, I've probably been to four.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Did I tell you about the time that we were
at the Alice Cooper show at the phrase. This would
have been probably like my third or fourth time seeing him,
and there was a band that opened up for him
called ven Rez, which is still I think an active
band of this day. And I remember I may have
even said the on the show. I can't remember, but
I remember like we were walking to our seats from
like coming from concessions, and I was like, Mom, there's
Andy Dick, and she's like, that's not Andy Dick. And

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then halfway through Alice's show, we looked over to the
side where ven Rez was partying on the side of stage,
and there was Andy Dick because they were friend. He
was a friend of the of the band ven Rez.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Where was this phrase, Pavilion, I thought you said phrase,
but I was, yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, Andy Dick was there.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Oh, I guarant of course he was. Yeah, Wiley's Jokers
Comedy Club because what year with us.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Been would have been two thousand, like it would have
been eighth nine.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, so I mean he was probably there for Wiley Yeah,
or maybe I can't remember when Jokers closed. I know
he was because he was friends with the lead singer
of ven Rez. I knew that much because that's what
we figured out. But yeah, it was it was weird
seeing him at the show. Well, there are lots especially
because we had Wiley's for so long and Jokers, which
was joke good, Yeah, exactly, joke good Wet Tornado did.

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But between those two comedy clubs, they both Wiley's had
the reputation of being local and where people like Dave
Chappelle started or not started, but like grew a lot.
A lot of people came through Wiley's. But Jokers was
a more corporate comedy club, so they got touring acts
like Crazy as well. Oh yeah, because it was joke

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I went to.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
I feel like I went to Jokers once, but I cannot,
for the life of me, remember why I was there.
But I feel like I was there at least once,
but I have no recollection.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Of why are you sure it wasn't Wyley's.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
No, because I know Wyley's because we shot there for.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I went there to see Brent
Bowser performed. I went there to see my parents couple.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Bob and Tom acts there too, So.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, rest in peace. Wiley's so so well. Yeah, I
mean Jokers, it sucked that they closed. They basically closed
because the Funny Bone was opening, which is, you know,
another kind of corporate comedy.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
The Green is the Green.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah. I saw Mick Foley do stand up there with
Okay Cool, which was really his stand ups re aw good.
My favorite thing about his show was that he warned
us that the show was relatively family friendly. But in
the act there is one F bomb. Yeah, so he
wanted to make sure that he was aware. Yeah. So

(06:21):
then he does his thing. He talks for an hour,
hour and twenty minutes. He's really funny, really engaged, and
then he goes, thank you all so much, and then
everybody applauds, and he goes, oh fuck, and then he leaves.
It was so good. It's pretty solid. No, he's he's
truly really funny. It's funny.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
I have actually not really seen a lot of comedy acts.
I've seen concerts more than I have comedy acts. I've
seen Jason Mughes. I saw him do a live thing
out Columbus area. I've seen actually Kevin Smith speak one
time as well.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Which I wouldn't call that stand up No, I mean
mused with stand up McK foley is quasi stand up,
more storyteller. I mean, he's very, very funny, but it's
just kind of a different mused would stand up Kevin.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
I mean, anybody that listens to Kevin's podcast or has
seen his Evening with Kevin Smith knows it's just him
with I.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Like his evenings with Kenvin Smith more than I like
his movie. Yeah, personally, Yeah, I find him very funny,
very insightful. So but that allD to say concerts are
they're not a massive part of my life. They're they're expensive,
and they're they've gotten way expensive yet, but they've always
been expensive. They've always been expensive. Well, I mean they
haven't they have it. It's like because like I mean

(07:28):
a ticket for x FS was like thirty five bucks
back in the day. That's expensive, but that was an
entire fucking day for where I came from. That was
a lot of money to spend. I mean that was
like that was like go to King's Island. You know,
like if you're gonna spend that money, you may as
well go to like King's Island or something.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
I mean, probably the most expensive was taking my mom
to see Elton John. Well, yeah, no, Elton John was
expensive because those were well, fuck it was either Elton
John or Phil Collins, because Phil Collins and Elton John
both were like two hundred dollars tickets.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Well, and I believe that, Well, well Phil.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Collins, I'm I paid the money because that he's done now,
like I mean, he's not doing any more shows. And
I mean he even sat ninety percent of the concert
and stood up for two songs.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
I mean, what do you you know? He had just
a knee surgery, so well, yeah, I mean Mick Foley
stood the whole performance, but then sat the entire meet
and greet because I mean the poor guy's knees. Oh yeah, stuff.
That was. Apparently he's gotten a replacement since then. So
that was when he was still on his original his
OEM parts, which had been well used. The funny thing is,
growing up, what I was most obsessed with was pro wrestling. Yeah,

(08:30):
and I went to a million wrestling shows because I
got in to the crew. Yeah makes sense. So I
was seeing wrestling shows for free. Every week. We would
do occasionally a big show out at the Grand Victoria
Casino and I would get comp tickets. We weren't allowed
to film those shows because they would have w stars

(08:51):
as a gift, like we got one year, we had Caine,
one year, we had Chris ben Waugh, one year, we
had Booker t We would alway get a big show.
We had big show one year, and because of that
we couldn't film it. We're not allowed to put that
on TV or a. Yeah, but because I worked dutifully,
I would be given some some cop tickets. There you go. So,
because yeah, growing up, if a show wasn't like five bucks,

(09:16):
it just wasn't gonna happen, I get. I mean, I
mean they were occasional.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Well, it's like it did to piggyback off of that.
It's like you were the one who showed me that
I could actually go to the movies for less than
you know, ten dollars.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
When I moved, we had moved back to Trump Oh
yeah about discount. No, I mean like that was the thing.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Was I I wentific like I didn't go to the
theater very often because when I moved, I mean when
I moved away for college and everything, you know, I
was by deer Field and all those expensive ass theaters
and AMC and whatnot. So I kind of fell out
of the movies at that point. And then it was
like when you and I started doing Tuesdays and Mattinee Days,
I was just like, oh shit, I actually can keep
up on these new movies. So, I mean, no, I

(09:53):
feel that entirely.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Well, I was. I didn't go to the movies more
than once a year until like two thousand and twelve. Yeah,
that's when I started going quite a bit. And then
when I became self employed, there was a while there
where I lived at the movie theater. I get that.
I was never not there. I was almost always at
opening shows before I had podcasts to manage. There were

(10:17):
two things that were true. Number one, I had a
lot more free time, and number two, I did not
have much money at all, So that was quite a trade.
I get that. But it used to be like, I
mean if I was stuck at home working on some
project and all of a sudden, I was like, I'm
not an impasse, and I look at my watch and
be like, I wonder if anything's playing at twelve forty five,

(10:39):
and I would just go and watch whatever it was showing.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Well, it's like I miss I mean, we've talked about
before I missed the Dan Barry dollar Saver, because it's
like now, I feel like I would absolutely take way
more advantage of it than I did back then, because
I missed the days of being like, oh I can
go rent Gone Girl, or I can just go see
it in the big screen, because like they would have
that little that time there almost.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
It didn't happen all the time that it would be
at home and at Danburry. Yeah, but it definitely happened
here and there. Yeah, but you would also have opportunities,
like especially around Oscar season, if a movie got a
ton of nominations, Yeah, it would be at Danberry, which
was the second run theater. And no. I spent a
lot of time at Danbury, and at one point a

(11:19):
friend of mine from high school's little brother was running
day shift, and they never let me pay for a ticket.
I mean, granted, the ticket was three dollars a dollar
fifty on Tuesday or dollars on me five, so it
wasn't the biggest thing in the world. I'd buy some
popcorn and stuff like that. But yeah, so, I mean
it got to a point where I could go there

(11:39):
and know if it was before four o'clock, I wasn't
paying anything anyway, and I had a great time watching
a bunch of movies there. I definitely miss Danberry.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
I feel like I would go to our local theater
more in Piqua if I just liked those seeds. But
I'm so spoiled by where we go for our recliners
and everything because they don't have the recliners.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Last I they don't have them at pick with that's
the pick with cinema. Yeah, I gotcha, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Because the last thing I saw there was The Batman,
which was three hours in a chair that didn't recline
and or move.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
You know how you can check if they've switched. Check
with my friends. Oh, I mean, or you could just
open up your app and act like you're gonna buy
a ticket and if it lets you pick a seat. Oh,
because the Greens fully converted to these really weird chairs
that try to steal everything in your pockets. Yep. Yeah,
because instead of just leaning back, they lean back and
push your butt upward. So the first time I took

(12:31):
Rachel there, like as soon as she sat down, I
was like, she was about to recly, like take everything
out of your pockets, just put it on the chair
next to you or in the couple er. She was
like huh and I was like, trust me. And then
when we pulled the seats back, she was like, oh man,
everything falls. Then you got the tray that slides over you,
to which I love, Yeah you would. I mean it's
nice because then you could eat a full spaghetti and
meat balls dinner while you're watching the movie.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
I may or may not have eaten an entire thing
in chicken wings last time I went to the Green.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
I mean, their chicken wings are actually surprisingly good. They're
really good. But the reason I bring all this up
is I just recently went to a concert. Yeah, and
oddly enough, I saw Buckethead at Bogart's twenty some years
late later, and I was looking forward to it. But
I'm kind of in a spot right now where work

(13:15):
is very demanding and I have a lot of responsibilities
work wise. I'm dealing with my taxes right now, which
is always a friggin' nightmare. Just you folks out there
who get number one get a return, and number two,
whose taxes are as easy as oftentimes taking a photograph

(13:35):
of your W two, and that's it, You're very luck lucky,
especially when you work in the field I work in.
Like if you make a movie, you're talking about hundreds
of itemized deductions, hundreds, and some of them are like
six dollars here, twelve dollars there, fifteen dollars here, four

(13:57):
dollars there, you know, and then there's like and that's
five hundred and that's a thousand dollars. But like all
those little items you have to track them, because the
IRS doesn't give a fuck about you. They just want
you to pay them. They're like the mafia. Fuck you
pay me, fuck you pay me. So I used to
I remember one time I was I was my mother
helps me do my taxes and file them because she's very,

(14:17):
very good at it. And at one point I had said, like,
I don't know if I should deduct that, like and whatever,
and my mom was like, don't cut the IRS a break,
because they'll never cut you a break in your entire life.
So if that can be deducted, and it makes sense, deducted.
And it's always hard because because I work in the
field that I'm very interested in. It is weird because

(14:38):
for years of my life, the things I'm buying for
work were things I bought for hobbies. Yeah, So I
remember one time being like, it feels weird writing this
camera off and my mother was like, what do you
do for a living, And I was like, I make
movies And she's like, how would it go without a camera,
And I'd be like, couldn't and she was like, deduct
that fucking expense because it's a big expense to me.
And that was when we were in college.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
We had a teacher that it showed us basically that
if you had anything relating to your field, whether it
was even a streaming service or if like you had
I mean that given that's a gray area, you want to.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Be careful with that stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
But like that was that was like shown to us.
It was just like, if you have those things for
your job in a sense, then yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, it's I don't write that stuff off because it
gets harry. Oh yeah, just like legally I can't actually
write off how much of my house I use for work, Yeah,
because they just don't allow that much, like.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Unless you get ben Affleck in the Accountant. Well I
love that scene. Oh that's a wonderful scene. I can't
wait for part two, I know.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
But so my point is just that the reason I
brought this up, the reason I said, like, what's the
first concert you ever went to, is because I think
you probably have a slightly more relatable like musical experience
to like the people who are listening to the show.
I could see that. Yeah, I mean, your your music taste,
it he goes a little older. But you know, like

(16:03):
like I said, my dad would have loved if I
had listened to the music you were a a kid.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
As I had to remind you recently, I don't have
an FM radio in my car, so I can't listen
to anything new music at least that's like out on
the airwavesun Lets I pull up my ass.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Weird because most of us just pretend we don't have
an FM radio. Yeah no, right, no, I mean we're
literally talking on one of the most disruptive things to
radio in the world. We're on a podcast basactly. But
that all being said, there's a lot that's said about Buckethead.
Some people don't get it. Some people think, oh, he's cool,
but like all he does is shred or his music's

(16:37):
to whatever. I have always found Buckethhead's music to be
highly emotional. There's no lyrics generally, and he never sings.
He plays. And I got into Buckethhead when I was
about twelve or thirteen years old. Yeah, so I was
listening to his music ad nauseum all the time. I
used to joke that because it's true that friends would

(16:57):
not let me bring CDs to parties or in the
car because I'd always bring some really weird Buckethead. So
when I saw it for the first time, it was
amazing seeing Bucketed perform. I had an amazing time. Was
the first concert ever went to. I was very nervous.
I was afraid to try and get up close to
the stage because I just didn't understand anything. And it
was in the middle of him being in Guns and Roses,
so he was relatively known. It was. It was during

(17:20):
Guns and Roses, but before Jordan came out on Guitar Hero.
So he did play Jordan because that was actually a
concert only song which they then started they he recorded
for Guitar Hero. So anyway, so we go down there
and we go to the show, and I'm like totally distracted.
I'm just kind of like, oh, this is cool, but
like god, I mean, it's hard to take this time
away from work. It's it was a Thursday night, and

(17:41):
often Thursdays are kind of my crunch day because I
always try to take Friday night off to hang out
with my friends. Understandable, and occasionally, you if you're if,
I make it. If you're if you're if, you're my
friend that day. But we get there and yeah, I'm
just kind of like yeah, okay, okay, and then like
the lights go down and I'm like cool, and then
Bucketeed comes out, and I'm like, this is really cool.

(18:01):
It's been a while since I sat and really listened
to Buckethead. So then they start doing you know, intro's.
Bootsy Collins wife Peppermint Patty came out and did the intro,
which was really cool. I wish. I was so sad
Bootsy wasn't there though. I ran the first time I
saw bucket had Bootsy had a cold, so he didn't perform,
but I ran into h the bathroom. That's what you're saying. Yeah, yeah,
sounds just like he does on his records. Hey there,
Hey Bob, enjoy the show. But he started playing a

(18:27):
song and I was like, oh my god. But then
the way bucket Head performs is it's almost a medley. Yeah,
you get a lot of songs in one song. Yeah,
and he plays NonStop for two and a half hours. Yeah,
he slowed it down and played Big sur Moon from
his album Colma, which I think is his most emotional
or his first most emotional album, and I just start sobbing,

(18:51):
like I couldn't even help it. I mean, tears were
pouring out of my eyes, and I just remembered all
the times I'd listened to that song and got something
from it, you know, my whole because you got to
I mean, I'm telling you it was from Little Kid,
and I was just like, holy crap. And then throughout
the night there were multiple times he would do a
song and I'd start crying because I'd be like, oh

(19:11):
my god, I love that song. I can't believe he's
playing it right now. And I've never really had that
because most of the music I grew up with that
meant a lot to me was very out of step
in multiple ways, either by being very underground or by
being really old, like I was into body Count in
nineteen ninety nine. They had not been a band at

(19:33):
that point for like four years.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
The metal kid at my school got me into body
Count because I think it was a wasp song that
he'd like that I had posted, and he was just like,
you used to listen to Cop Killer by body Count,
and I was like, I should well.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
The funnest part about that first bucket ed concert was
I took my buddy Andy cop and it was wild
taking him because he was the person who introduced me
to body Count, to Oingo Boingo, mister Bungle, public enemy
No I was. I was into hip hop before him.
For the most part, body Count I just never heard of. Yeah,
I knew Iced Tea, but I've never heard of body Count.

(20:06):
But he'd introduced me to all these wacky outsider bands camp.
I actually found KMFDM before I met him, but that
was thanks to the Mortal Kombat soundtrack, which helped a
lot of people discover a lot of interesting music. Ramstein
for oh really, Oh most people found typo negative from
that from Mortal Kombat.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
I found Ramstein like I technically, I guess I had
found Ramstein more so through Triple X because they opened
the fucking movie.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
And du Hastmesh was a gigantic hit and was.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
The first one I heard, and that was off the
Mortal Kombat Annihilation soundtrack.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Oh lord. Yeah. Well so anyway, so very long, silly
story short, like I was really into Buckethead and Mojo
Nixon and uh Oingo Boingo and Stuck Mojo and like
none of those bands were touring, and if they were,
it was highly limited.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Oh yeah, it was local to their areas for the
most part.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah. Well, you know what's funny, I could have seen
Mojo Nixon friggin' every month. Yeah, if it been, if
I had been old enough. In nineteen ninety eight, when
he was living in Cincinnati and performing at Canal Street
all the time in Dayton.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Typo Negative was apparently performing in Dayton all the time
too in the late nineties almost.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
I know KMFDM played at the Pearl Hmmm, yeah I
did hear that? Actually yeah yeah so or no, no, no
Switchblade Symphony anyway, I'm digressing too much. I did want
I always start with some digression. My point is I
have never been hit that hard by a level of
personal nostalgia like that. Yeah, And it was really it
was a cool experience and I really enjoyed it. But

(21:32):
it also was just like wow, Yeah, I was not
even like if you had told me, like, you're gonna
cry when Bucket plays plays Big sur Moon, I would
have been like maybe no. No. The moment, the moment
I heard the second riff, I was like, fucking love
this song, like I was so happy. So it was
a great experience, and I promised myself, I'm going to

(21:54):
keep an eye out. Yeah, you should, especially well for Buckethead.
I've tried to see Stuck Bojo times. I tried to
see Mojo before he passed last year this time last year.
I tried so hard, but he only plays in Texas
and on that cruise right, well, that was new, Yeah,
that was that was only two years old, I think,

(22:16):
or maybe four something like that. But he would play
it south by Southwest with the toad Lickers because his
piano player owns the Continental Club I think is what
it's called, one of the big venues in Austin. Yeah,
he's the owner of it. So he and so the
toad Lickers would play there. And I kept telling myself, like,
one of these days, I'm just gonna pilgrimage out there

(22:37):
just for that, and unfortunately I could not. But now
I'm like, man, I know bucketheads come to like Columbus
and stuff, and I've missed him, so I'm like, now
I'm gonna keep my eye open for that from now on.
I don't know. I just thought it was interesting because
like it's just yeah, the stuff I was into, it's
just like, you know, Oingo boing Go is not gonna
friggin play you know.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
I mean, he played Danny played uh what was it Coachella?
I think you played Coachella a year ago. Yeah, and
that's like the suit Little Latest.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Well that's what I mean, and like I just I'm
not going to go to it. I'm not going to
go through Coachella. Well you can watch online. I did. Yeah,
I'm yeah, Now you're right. Yeah. So but you know,
if I ever got to see Stuck Bojo live, I
would lose my shit. No. I feeling very rare that
their original lineup ever played a feel you on them,
So I don't know. My point is, it was just
a cool experience. I wasn't expecting. But speaking of cool experiences,

(23:28):
I was expecting. Mmmm. We just got back from seeing
Working Man. We did, and I was shocked. You didn't
like it?

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, you're full of shit, You're a real full of shit.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
No, I was.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
I had a bad day at work today. I'm not
going to get into it, but basically, we had a
lot of technical difficulties that I could not do anything
about because I had to get information back from somebody
who was not responding.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Back to me.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
I digress. I was looking forward to this all fucking
day and Working Man is done by David Ayir, who
did be Keeper. It's written by Air Chuck Dixon and
Sylvester Salon.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Chuck Dixon wrote the novel, Yeah. Sylvester Salon and David
Air wrote the screenplay though, and it is literally Jason
Statham's taken.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
It isn't. It isn't. I mean, it's not his daughter, it's.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Not his daughter, but but he is asked to go
retrieve his friend's daughter and then he fights Russians and
bikers and I mean it's just the movie was everything
I wanted out of it. Today I could agree with that, yeah,
because I mean we, you know, we previous episode, we
did Beekeeper, because last year that just knocked our Dixon

(24:35):
the dirt because that movie was just so wild and
working Man is Keeper.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
I expected good and fun, but not that good and
fun working Man. I'm already ready to go watch it again,
to be honest. Geez.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Oh, no, I really liked it because I mean, I
I told you this off, Mike, but it's like I've
been I've been in and out with Statham because I
was really the first movie of his I remember seeing
was Cellular and he played the villain, and then shortly
after that was Transporter.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
That technically but.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yeah, but no, he was a great in Cellular, and
then from there we got into Crank, and then we
got into The Expendables, and then we got into his
remake of The Mechanic, which is a Charles Bronson film.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Originally when I the way I first saw Crank was
I was with my buddy Josh Petrino out in Jersey
when I lived out there, and he mentioned, yeah, like,
you know, they used some of those cameras on Crank.
We were talking about filmmaking stuff and I was like
and I was like, oh yeah, and he was like,
have you seen Crank and Crank two? And I was

(25:34):
like no, and he was like really And I was
like I haven't, and I'm not joking. We're on Long Beachilenge. Yeah.
We get in the car and drive across the bridge
back to the mainland to a Hollywood video and found
them both on DVD. There you Go, and brought them
back and he was like, he was like, I'm an
orders pizza.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
You basically had Point Brick of Bad Boys too, which
one we watching first.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
It was it wasn't far off, and I was blown
away by Crank. Yeah. So, but it also made me
like Jason Statham a lot, because he's you know, i mean,
all of the action guys that have lasted have shown
that they have a capacity for humor, a capacity for
self deprecation. Yeah, all of that. Statham it's like another level. Yeah,

(26:21):
I mean, like he can be funny without even winking.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Well, it's like when I had seen when I had
seen Crank and Crank two, I went back then to
his guy Ritchie stuff, which is like his first stuff,
so lockstock too, smoking barrels, snatch. I mean, he's been
in a lot of Richie's films at this point, but
The Bank Job was one of his movies which wasn't
a Guy Richie film, but The Bank Job was probably
one of his best movies in my opinion of all time,

(26:46):
next to like Wrath of Man. And it's just a
straight up crime drama. Like it's not like even an
action movie as much as it's just a straight up
criminal story. And he's really good in it.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
I believe it. I mean, he's just he's good. And
I think, though, what put the the nail in the
coffin of me ever having a problem with Jason Statham
was Paul Fieg's spy Spy Is Good, where he's just
this ridiculous super spy. He's a perfect foil to Melissa McCarthy,
I mean a perfect foil. And his stories was like

(27:15):
jumped out of an airplane, used my own arm to
you know, like dislocated my arm and beat the man
to death with it.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
You know.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
He's just like, she's like, how how are how do
you have legs? Again, though you'd be like, that's a
tough secret, you know, like it was.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
So it's it's just him and his delivery that make
it so much. I mean, because you know this is
this is essentially the same team writing wise for home Front.
Sylvesteris alone wrote home Front, and that was another one
that I cannot recommend enough.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
That's really really good. Yeah. I cried in the theater
because well, not only is the movie emotional, but yeah,
because that was within a year of losing his son.
It was, and the movie is so it's so clear
to me he drew from that mm hm, which is
what a good artist does. Yeah. But it's also like
all I could think was like, my god, you lose

(28:04):
your son and then you write a blockbuster screenplay about
fighting every villain imaginable to protect your child.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah, and then you do Rambo Last Blood, which is
just like let's just do a double gut punch.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Well that was a million gut punches.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, Workingman, I cannot recommend enough. It's
so much fun. It's insane. It's under that two hour mark,
just barely. But I was never bored. I was never
looking at my watch, and I was absolutely loving the
fact that it just went places that I didn't expect
it to.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah. I liked it a ton. I might like Beekeeper
a little bit more. I may have liked the world
building in that a little bit more, but it was
a little bit well, no, it was a lot more
kind of ostentatious, yeah, is a good word for it.
But overall, I really I really dug what they did
with The working Man. Yeah. I thought Statham, of course,
you know, super likable. I liked David Harbor's part, and

(28:58):
it was a nice foil.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
To ending just straight up felt like a video game.
Like it just felt like you were playing the level
of the video game.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
A lot of these action movies start to feel that way.
John Wick is kind of.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Oh yeah, I mean John Wick definitely went there, but
like this one specifically, I was just like, I've played
this level, like on Army of two, I.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Played this boss mode. Yeah, but no, but I really
enjoyed it too. The the honestly, both it and Beekeeper
had a few hokey moments. Yeah, that don't ruin the
movie at all. So I can't even really, I can't
really complain because Beekeeper was just well it's like who.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
If I had to like, I mean, you can't really
compare the two movies. But like one thing that I
that I was not the biggest fan of with Novacane
that we talked about last week was I the villain
wasn't bad, but I just the villain just kind of
felt half baked to me a little bit.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Well, yeah, I do think that was on purpose. The
probably because because the main villain is not what you
think he is at all, that's kind of the I mean,
we don't want to spoil him, but there's a great twist,
the great twist going on.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, it's just it just he got very threatening at
the end, but like as far as his build up
scenes and whatnot, it was just kind of he felt
a bit like he almost felt a little bit like
the cold Pursuit villain.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, but he was really scary during the heist.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
The heist and it's easy, but it's easy to forget
to him or was it his partner?

Speaker 1 (30:13):
It was him?

Speaker 2 (30:14):
It was him.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
No, that's and that was what I was about to say. Yeah,
he was in a costume. Yeah he only pulled his
beard down a little bit, but he was of the
entire crew, the kill happy one. Yeah. I remember what
raised the stakes and Novakane for me was when they
revealed he was the mastermind, because I was like, god, damn,
the guy who just was like, oh, guess I got
the face. Guess I got to kill the cops too, Like,

(30:35):
uh no, I.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Thought that was the first he thought. That's why. That's
why I was thinking.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
No, no, no, that was just the first guy he
could find. Yeah, okay, but no, no, the guy who
was killing everybody was that. That's and that's what makes
it so scary, because like, as we're seeing him act
like a normal guy, it's like in the bank, you
weren't a normal guy at all. You had no value
for human life whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
And he gets completely unhinged at the end as well.
But yeah, working man, I just everything about it worked
for me, wasn't It wasn't just the fact that I
had a bad day to day and watching Stathum kick
the living shit out of human traffickers.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
I mean, you're allowed to have to have it elevated
by having a bad day. And I know I'm not
saying I'm not saying I'm not. It's why Jackass Number
two will always be my favorite Jackass movie. He's the
meanest one in my opinion. Well, David, I saw it
three hours after I watched my grandmother die in the hospital.
That's fair, and I needed that. I needed that release.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
So I remember recent watch of it, because I watched
all of them when Jackass Forever came out recently, and
I just remember on a recent watch of two, I
was just like, they're really just fucking.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
I'm not denying. All I'm saying is that your movie throwing.
What I'm saying is your mood going in. You're allowed
to be like and I had a really bad day,
so it just hit great because I was ready to
have a good time. You know, you're allowed, is all
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah, but I was more so saying that that wasn't
just the sole reason. But yes, no, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
So, no, No, I I do recommend everybody go if
you if you like a popcorn sling in action movie. Yeah,
you need to go and see a working Man.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Which has only been out for like a couple of
days as the time you're hearing this.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
So yeah, oh by the time you're hearing it, yeah,
because we saw an opening night.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
So with a working Man out of the way, you know,
the weather's been nice, but I'm worried that there might
be something on the horizon soon.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
I full disclosure. Yeah, I thought I was hitting a
sound effect. Oh that would make sense, and it didn't.
It didn't do anything. Well, that's one. You know what,
We're gonna just stop the folly of me, move on,
fair enough.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
We're talking about hard Rain from nineteen ninety eight. The
label literally says thunder. Yeah that was not that was
a cash redistry.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Oh thank you, doctor nor I appreciate.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Well you can get this two sounds confused sometimes, I know,
just being in the line a line at the grocery
store and be like, oh, she had a thunder.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Does everybody down? This is the big one.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
But yes, we are talking about hard Rain from nineteen
ninety eight. And uh this I forgot how much I
love this movie.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Really because when I was watching it, rewatching it earlier
today with Rachel. You want to know what I described
the film as, tell me I described it as a
Dave DNA movie. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair because this
is and I mean this with no disrespect to Hard Rain. Yeah,
this is one of the one of the list of

(33:35):
random ass movies that you just adore obscenely. It's dumb,
it really has.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
It has several plot holes in it, but I don't
mind it because it's just it's so much fun.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah, yeah, it's just it's just it's one of those
where I'm like, Dave thinks the world of this one.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
I get Hard Rain cool as ice u s slaughter high.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Obviously, I feel like those aren't, you rely as random
as Hard Rain. They're just they're just they're just certain
movies that you just I mean, I'm sure I have
ones too, Yeah, but there are just certain movies that
it's like Hard Rain, just hard yes. Oh yeah, And
there's nothing wrong with that. Well, no, not at all.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
So one hour and thirty seven minutes rateed R simply
for violence. By the way, there's only one F bomb
and you probably remember it. Oh yeah, yeah. IVB synopsis
says the partner and nephew of an armored truck driver
tries to prevent three million dollars from being taken by
a gang during a catastrophic flooding caused by a severe storm.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yes, every time I rewatch the movie, I don't know why.
I always forget the setting is Midwest. Yeah, and my
brain always tells me it's a hurricane. It's a hurricane, Yeah,
but it's not. It's not. It's it's flooding and and
a levee breaking and stuff like that. It was funny
when Rachel and I were watching it. She had mentioned like,

(34:52):
there aren't a lot of dams, you know that we
hear about here, And I was like, well, we call
them levees. It was, oh, yeah, we have a ton
of levees. And I was like, yeah, we have a
ton of lefs.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Because my synopsis says, when an Indiana town floods due
to a massive rainstorm, the guard of an armored truck
must fight off a violent gang out to steal the
trucks haul.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Pretty solid.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, So now moving into taglines, Oh dear, in the
worst storm in living memory, one guard stands between five
men and three million dollars.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Not bad, A little long, yeah, but that's not bad. Yeah,
it's a little wordy. Take a deep breath, you'll need it.
That's good. That's a good one. Prepare for hard rain.
I'm assuming. I'm assuming that the way that tagline was
used was it just said prepare for and then the

(35:44):
title was. I think that I.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Could say that, I could see that's the title normally
be If that's the case, though, they'll do this the
dot dot dot and then it'll just not say the title.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
I'm just it'd be weird to have the title of
the hard Rain prepare for hard rain or prepare for
hard rain, hard rain.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
And last a simple plan and instant fortune. Just add water,
not bad, not bad.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Not great. I like that, it's clever. I do like that.
I'm honestly just floored by that one, because Wow, yeah's wild.
I like that though.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
So as of this recording, Hard Rain is currently available
to stream on Pluto. It's also rentable on Prime and Fandango.
And if you can get your hands on the Blu ray,
which is out of print now, you are lucky because
it is a little pricey. So this is one that
you if you don't have it physically, you may want
to check it out digitally, and if you haven't seen
Hard Rain, stop this podcast right now and watch it.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah, I would say it'd be a good IDEA.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Director on the film is Mikhail Salmon, who gets his
start as a DP in nineteen eighty eight with Stealing Heaven.
Goes to shoot Torch Song Trilogy in eighty eight, The
Abyss in eighty nine.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Oh you know, and it's funny because one of the
first things I mentioned when I was rewatching it, because
Rachel was just kind of hanging out while it was on,
was the Abyss about how they dealt with water. Yeah,
in the Abyss. Yeah, And then oh, that makes that
would be a smart Hire.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Goes on to shoot Aractophobia in nineteen ninety, followed by
Backdraft in ninety one, then does Far and Away in
ninety two. It's not until ninety three he gets his
first directorial with Space Rangers, followed by A Far Off
Place Hard Rain in ninety eight. Goes on to shoot
episodes of Nash Bridges After Shock Earthquake in New York,
Soul Survivor the Fugitive TV series reboot in two thousand, Okay,

(37:28):
Glimpse of Hell in two thousand and one, episodes of Alias,
Band of Brothers, The Agency, Salem's Lot remake in two
thousand and four, The Grid, episodes of Rome, Fallen, Nightmares,
and Dreamskates, The Andromeda Strain remake in two thousand and eight,
Hawthorn Camelot COMA Freezer in twenty fourteen, Falling Skies, Big
Driver Damien in twenty sixteen, Criminal Minds, Beyond Borders, The

(37:50):
Brave in twenty seventeen six and Last in twenty twenty
was Instrument of Hope. Hmmm, so pretty decent resume.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
There, I would say so. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Writer on the film is Graham Yost, who gets to
start writing in nineteen eighty eight with the Chair, Then
in nineteen eighty nine writes for a little show called
Hey Dude.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Real. Oh yeah, Graham Yost did start Hey Dude I
remember reading that, followed by Herman's Head in ninety one,
The Powers That Be in ninety two, Speed in ninety four,
Broken Arrow in ninety six, Speed two, Cruise Control in
ninety seven, Hard Rain in ninety eight, From Earth to
the Moon in ninety eight, Mission to Mars, Band of Brothers,
The Last Castle, Boomtown, The Pacific, Falling Skies, and then

(38:31):
in twenty ten, he just happens to create a little
series called Justified. That's where I know the name Graham
Yost from The Most Is the Most The Most Baby
is from Justified, which I consider one of the finest
programs on television. Immaculate.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Then does Sneaky Pete in twenty seventeen, followed by The
Grizzlies in twenty eighteen and most recently Silo in twenty
twenty three on Netflix.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Silo Yeah, Okay.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Cinematographer on the film is Peter Menzies Junior.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
He gets his start as a DP.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
On nineteen ninety two with White Sands, followed by Posse
the Mario Van People film in ninety three. Nice shoots
The Getaway remake with Alec ball One in ninety four,
Die Hard with the Vengeance in nineteen ninety five, then
goes on to shoot Hay Ride to Hell in ninety five, Okay,
A Time to Kill in nineteen ninety six, follows that
up with Hard Rain, then goes on to do the

(39:18):
General's Daughter The Thirteenth Warrior, Disney's The Kid Blessed the Child,
Lori Croft, tomb Raider, Kangaroo Jack, Man of the House, Misconnality,
Two Armed and Fabulous, Four Brothers, The Great Raid When
a Stranger Calls remake, Shooter with Mark Wahlberg, Traveler, The
Incredible Hulk Hawthorne, Clash of the Titans, Abduction with Taylor
Lautner in twenty eleven, oh Man Playing for Keeps in

(39:39):
twenty twelve, Killing Season in twenty thirteen. Have you ever
seen Killing Season? By the way, which is John Travolta
versus Robert de Niro is like one's a Russian and one's.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Yes, dude, that movie's insane. I actually really like that movie. Good,
It's but it is way out It's out there. No,
I actually really liked that movie.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Then goes on to Shoot The Expendables three and twenty fourteen,
Gods of Egypt, Roots remake, All Eyes on Me, The
Bad Seed remake, A Dog's Way Home, The Right Stuff,
Peter Rabbit two, The Runaway, and Time Traveler's Wife in
twenty twenty two. Okay, moving on down to our cast,
we have mister Christian Slater returning to the program from Heathers,
who plays Tom in this film.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Yes, and this was a would you say this is
at his most Christian or his most slater, probably his
most slater. Yeah, I have to agree.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
So he get one hundred and forty three credits to
just review a few. We got Legendibilly gen in eighty five,
The Name of the Rose, Tucker, the Man in his Dream,
Heather's in eighty eight, Gleaming the Cube in eighty nine,
which I keep kicking around if that would be.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
An episode or not.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
You haven't seen Gleaming the Cube where his stepbrother gets
murdered for the wrong reasons and he's a skateboarder the
right reasons, the right reasons, you know, hard sig. Gleaming
the Cube is really hard to find, for one, and
I looked into a DVD a bit a while back
at my old Fye but it's it's not a good movie,
but it's entertaining, Okay. The Wizard eighty nine, Tales from

(40:58):
the Dark Side, the movie Young Guns two, Pump Up
the Volume, Robin Hood, Prince, the Thieves, Mobsters, Cuffs, Ferngully,
True Romance Interview, the Vampire murder in the First Broken Arrow,
Hard Rain in ninety eight, then goes on to do
three thousand miles to Graceland, Wind Talkers, West Wing Mine
Hunters alone, in the Dark, Hollow Man two, My Own
Worst Enemy, Entourage, El Gringo, Guns and Girls in Gambling,
Nimpo Maniac asked me anything, hot Tub, Time Machine two,

(41:21):
The Wife, the Public, Mister Robot, Willow Archer Blink twice
in twenty twenty four. Yeah, yeah, and most recently is
currently on Dexter Original Sin, which I have not watched yet.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
I'm he's one of those guys. I'm really glad got
his career back on track. Yeah, because there was a
hot minute there where he was just his name was Mud.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
I don't think I concluded in the trivia because it
was kind of a downer. But right when this movie,
at least he was in prison for drugs.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yeah, that sounds about right.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yeah, because this was his this was a bit of
his rough period right here.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Well, I know Fred Ray talked about when he cast
him in one of his westerns. I think it might
have been had Yield's Bloods. Yeah, yeah, I think that
was the one that he was in, and he did it.
He was great in it. Yeah. But uh, Fred said
that he had gotten like a basically a thank you,
like months and months later, because he said that even
though it was a very small movie and he only

(42:07):
worked a day or two yeah on it that all
of a sudden people were back in. They were picking
the phone up and calling him because he was working
and he'd had you know, good there were good word
from that production. That's awesome. And I've always heard he's
a really nice person. Same.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
I've had a couple friends meet him. I've heard he's
a good guy.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
So I'm happy, like I'm happy when I see him
pop up now in tons of stuff. Yeah, And he's
been getting a lot of good TV stuff lately, especially
with that Dexter.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Series Sleazy and fucking Blink twice.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Yeah, as opposed to the wholesomeness of most of the characters.
Yeah movie.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Moving down to our cast, we have Morgan Freeman, who
plays Jim in the film. One hundred and forty nine
credits on his resume starting in nineteen sixty four with
The Pawnbroker, nineteen seventy one, Electric Company, Blade, Sesame Street, Brubaker, Teachers,
Twilight Zone, Street Smart, Clean and Sober in nineteen eighty eight,
which is getting a Blu Ray release my birthday month.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Oh yeah, man, if only you had an original one
she for that movie.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
I do It still hangs by my bathroom, right by
my skin. Deep Original one shot.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
You'm sure I found that for you? You did?

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah, you texted me, lean on me in eighty nine.
Johnny Hansome Driving This Daisy Glory, Robinhood, Prince of Thieves, Unforgiven, Shawshank, Redemption, Outbreak, seven,
Chain Reaction, Kiss the Girls, Amistad, Hard Rain, Deep Impact,
Nurse Betty Along, Came a Spider, High Crimes, Bruce Almighty,
million Dollar Baby Batman begins Lucky number seven, Gone, Baby Gone,
the bucket List, The Dark Knight, Red Olympus has fallen.

(43:28):
Now you see me, Lucy Ted two Going in Style,
The Poison Rose, The Comeback Trail, and most recently Lionesse
in twenty twenty three. Oh yeah, And wrapping up our
cast for now is mister Randy Quaid, who plays Sheriff
Mike Ah.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
What can be said about mister Randy Quaid?

Speaker 2 (43:47):
First off, one hundred and twenty credits, which I did
not realize.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Oh yeah, he were easy.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
He did for a bit and then something happened, So
he gets this started nineteen seventy one on the Last
Picture Show. Then goes on to be in an episode
of Night Gallery, What's Up, Doc? The last Detail Breakout,
The Choir Boys, Midnight Express, Foxes, The Long Riders in
nineteen eighty which I'm gonna take a second if you
have not seen The Long Riders and you're a Walter
Hill fan, Western fan, either any of those. The Long

(44:13):
Riders is one of the best Jesse James brother like
the James Brothers movie that you can find. And it's
got everybody in it from David Carrody and Robert Carrodine
to I mean Randy Quaid, Dennis Quaid. Like, it's got
a bunch of real time, real life brothers in it.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Okay, it's really good.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Of meis and men in eighty one Heart Beats eighty three,
he does National Lampoon's Vacation, followed by The Wildlife, The
Wraith LBJ of the Early Years, Moving Caddie Shack two
and nineteen eighty nine does one of your favorite movies, Parents.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
And that movie fucked with me real bad when I
was a kid. Still pretty disturbing, I mean it still is.
But man, the idea of your parents becoming the enemy, Yeah,
very scary concept. I love it.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Another one of the does that really well that I
just actually saw for the first time. Last year was
The Invasions of Mars remake.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Oh oh god.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Yeah, that movie's terrifying.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
But the difference though is Invaders from Mars it's your
parents have been replaced. Re placed As to where parents,
it's you're realizing who they really really are. Yeah, So
that that's the extra. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Out Cold in eighty nine, Christmas Vacation, Days of Thunder,
Quick Chains, Texasville, Frankenstein in ninety two, which he did
a Frankenstein movie, and I think it's based off of
Dean Koons's like first novel. Really yeah, I'm gonna have
to check it out. Freaked in ninety three, which is
getting a four K soon. Yeah, The Paper in ninety four,
Bye Bye Love, Streets of Laredo, Last Dance, Kingpin Vegas Vacation,

(45:38):
Hard Rain in ninety eight, The Adventures of Rocky and
Bullwinkle in two thousand, Not Another teen Movie two thousand
and one, Adventures of Pluto, Nash in two thousand and two,
Grind Home on the Range, Elvis Broke Back Mountain, the
Ice Harvest previous episode in two thousand and five, Blade
TV series All You Can Eat, and then Most recently
last year was in the Christmas Letter in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Oh mm hmm, wow. Yeah, I'm surprised he ended up
in one of those Christmas movies.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
After the finding time he's had fun but not real fun.
Fact Ice Harvest is and five Blade TV series is six.
He does not appear in something again until twenty eighteen. Wow,
so he had twelve years down.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
That's that's nuts.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Well, star whackers will do that to you.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
The nineteen ninety two Frankenstin by the way, it was
made for TV. Yeah, and it's based on Mary Shelley's
Frankenstein and yet Randy Quaid plays the monster. Dude. Okay,
I gotta see that. I'll find it.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
So first time watching Hard Rain for you?

Speaker 1 (46:36):
What was it? Gosh, it was a I don't think
I rented. I think it was on HBO. I'm almost
certain it was on HBO. Yeah, and it kind of
had everything I love in a in a in a movie.
It had extreme weather, which I'm a sucker for. I
love a good extreme weather thing. It had lots of gunplay, yes,

(46:59):
and lots a suspense, so I always had like a
fond memory of it. But it was also kind of
a lot of those movies, especially because I was, you know,
very much growing up. Yeah, through the nineties. They kind
of bleed together after a little while, so I had
Hard Rain confused with other stuff a little bit. That's easy.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
I confused parts of it with Dante's Peak at one point,
No shit.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
I could see that. Yeah, So I always remembered liking it,
and then I feel like you got me to rewatch it.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Definitely as an adult, probably because I had that Blu
ray and I know we screened it one day. M
HM had being keyword there. I still would love to
know why the hell I got rid of my copy
of Hard Rain. I'm a terrible person, I'm aware. But
my first time watching it it was on TV, because
I would have been six when this came out. I
remember distinctly catching it on TV at the one point

(47:46):
where they're going through the cassettes in the car, because
I remember that scene just being really funny. Yeah, but
it was one that I saw it on TV. I
never caught it in a complete sitting. I would always
usually hit it up right around the time of either
the church ambush or the cemetery ambush, and it was
just one of those movies that like I knew existed,
but I had not seen it, like completely all the
way through until I got that Blu ray and then

(48:07):
watched it, and I was just like, No, I really
like this movie. It's a lot of fun, it's it's dumb.
It's a disaster action movie with great actors. I mean,
you can't go wrong with any of that.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
No, No, And I mean everybody's cast very well. Yeah,
you know, Christen Slater, great casting on that. Morgan Freeman,
I don't think I've ever seen him do a bad job.
And Randy Quaid is perfect because the great thing about
him is he can play straight. Yeah, and but when
he does, you always wonder, like, but is he gonna

(48:38):
get real bent? Yeah? And usually he does.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
That's and that's the one thing that I will say
about like his acting in particular with this movie is
you see it definitely coming a mile away that he
that he's probably going to turn, but he's still fucking
scary when it happens, and you're.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Just like, oh, I don't like this. I don't like
this at all. He's really good at when he turns evil,
he goes like he's really good at like at like
projecting sociopathy through his eyes into your brain.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Yes, no, absolutely. So the movie opens and we are
in the town.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
You know, he'd be great for he should play Gacy.
Oh he could. Yeah, he would be terrifying as DC.
Although I don't think he's chubby anymore. Think he is,
that he's lost a lot of weight.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
But we are in the town of hunting Huntingburg, Indiana,
and it has been a heavy rainstorm. They've been collecting
water at the dam, but it's gotten to the point
now where they're flooding and they have to evacuate the town.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Right and uh and a real town, a real town, yes, yes,
Well they don't actually have any dams nearby or anything.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
So we meet Sheriff Mike, who is played by Randy Quaid,
and he's closing down roads telling people to flee, and
we also cut over to the local bank, which I
love the fake out of them with the guns.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Oh, it's great, so good. Yeah, they're walking through and
they've got like the bag of money and the guns,
and it really feels like it's a heights heist. And
then as they pull back, they're going into an armored car. Yeah,
and they're basically emptying all the banks in this town out. Yeah,
because because because there's hard rain coming, hard rain coming, yes, exactly,
so they they need to evacuate. And that is when
you know, they get on the road and we meet

(50:09):
uh oh, like what's name Tom who was played by
Christian Slater, and he is with his buddy Charlie, who
is his uncle, and they are the two that are
driving the armor truck, and so they are getting on
the roads.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
The roads are flooded. We also find out around this
time too, that there are some locals that have also
decided to hang around, one of which being Karen, who
is taking care of the stained glass windows at this church.
And then you've also got Betty White and her husband
that are locals, and they are trying to booby trap
their home basically because the last flood they had in
like seventy three. They say, whatever wasn't stolen was broken

(50:44):
just for the hell of it.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Yeah. Yeah, and they're and they're a great example of
like the I leaving my home period people.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
So and and well, Randy Quait's just like, you know,
that's illegal, and she's like, yeah, we're gonna We're still
gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Yeah, what are you gonna do arrest us? No, it's
it's it's no. It's a great touch. And having that
couple in it is is a very at times a
very wonderful source of levity. Really needs some levity, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
It does, because, as you say, levity. We also cut
over to meet Jim played by Morgan Freeman, and he
and his buddies are just in a car heading into town.
But they've got guns and there's something going on.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Well it's Indiana, you know, maybe you could shoot the
flood away. Maybe you could shoot the flood away. Right
there we go. Yeah, so the town is evacuating.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Everybody's trying to get out, including Charlie and Tom, and
they end up getting on a road and that's when
they basically strike up conversation about you know, how long
do you think you're gonna be able to do this?
Charlie' talking to his uncle and he's like, you know,
there's this job worth it, and you know, is the
money worth it?

Speaker 1 (51:44):
At this point, Yeah, we're getting the heart to heart
moment that shows that they're closer than just coworkers. Yeah,
and also though you know, Asner saying like, you know,
I don't know how much longer I could do this.
I've been doing it so long. You're like, well, I'll
just start carving a tombstone.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Yeah, oh, I'm just I'm retiring tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Let me just put a photograph of my beautiful wife
in the island. We're going to live. Hello insurance.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Yes, I'd like to cancel the life part of it.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Yeah, I just got a good bill of health from
the doctor. Guess I'm gonna live forever.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
So they end up getting on the road and they're
striking up conversation and then we start to see that
the incline goes down a bit on the road and
now they are completely up to the tires, covered in
a armor truck in this water and they're stuck.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Yeah, the rain is coming in fast and furious, and
they are they're gonna have a hard time.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Yeah, they're gonna have a hard time with a hard rain.
So that's when Charlie says that he's gonna call the
National Guard. He calls somebody says they're gonna be there
in two hours. And Christian Slater's character is just like
two hours, Like what are we supposed to do? And
he's like, we wait, we wait with this money, which
we find out is like three million dollars if I
remember correctly, Yeah, something in that neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
So three million dollars.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
They're sitting there waiting, and that's when Christian Slater decides
to get out. He starts wandering around and they're just
checking the truck and everything, and they start to see
lights approaching them from the other side.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Yeah, I'm sure it's a help. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
The light shines on them and then a shot rings
out hits Charlie right in the neck, and that's when
you know that something is wrong. And it turns out
that it's Jim Morgan Freeman's men, and there.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
When he gets shot in the neck is when you
realize that. That's when you realize something something. That's when
you realize something's up. That's fair. Yeah, dead dead body.
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Well he doesn't die right away, actually no.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
No, no, he gets a chance to suffer. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
They so he drags him around back and the thing
I love about this movie is everything from this point
on takes place in knee knee and up water like
there is really no dry spots.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
One of my favorite things about the movie is that
they use the the there's a statue in the middle
of town. Yeah, and they use it to show you
how high the water is. Yeah, because at the beginning
it's sitting there, there's just puddles everywhere. Yeah. And then
as we go on, you start to see it's like
covering his horse. I think he's on a horse. It's
like it just it. It's a great way to like
make it clear to the audience.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
The rain is rising and this is this is a
small town, so I mean you're looking at you're looking
at like a handful of buildings, and we basically stay
in the center of town for the most part because
that's where a lot of the action takes place.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
So uh, that is when, uh, you know, he realizes
that that those guys are not good, so he starts
trying to save Charlie. Charlie unfortunately passes, and that's when
he decides to take the money and run.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
I mean, is there ever a better thing to do
when there's money than take it and run?

Speaker 2 (54:29):
So, I mean, at this point, you gotta do what
you gotta do. So the gang is chasing Tom and
he ends up taking refuge in a nearby church. He
also sacks away the money, which do we we don't
see him hide it originally, so we be as a
viewer don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Where it is. Yeah, we just know that he knows.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Yeah, he stashed it somewhere close. He goes into a
nearby church and that's when he's looking around. He hears
some music playing, he sees the lights are on, and
he also sees that somebody is trying to pump the
water out of the church and he gets hit with
a giant cross.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
I mean, you know, it happens to the best of them.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
So he's mistaken for a looter. Karen, who is trying
to restore the stained glass windows in the church, she wakes.
He wakes up in a cell and that's when he's
like telling Sheriff Mike, like, you know, hey, there's these
robbers in town. They're looking for this money. They just
shot my partner. And of course Randy Quid is like,
all right, I believe you. Like we'll go out and look,
but just in case, we're gonna keep you here in
this station while it's flooding.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Well, and the other cop who's kind of a hard ass,
Wayne Wayne, he's the one who's like, we're gonna lock
you up in case you're lying. Yeah, which my first
thought was, why would you put someone in a cell
during a flood during a flood, but uh, don't worry,
comes up, comes up later.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
So that's when he tells the Yeah, he tells Wayne
to go ahead and take Karen back or is Phil?
I think Phil fills the one. Yeah, because he has
Deputy Phil and Deputy Wayne and then you, Mike. So
he tells Phil to go ahead and get Karen back
to her place. So they get on a boat together,
and that's when Karen takes an opportunity to push Phil
out of the boat and steal the boat.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Yeah, yeah, she does.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
So that's when they also decide that they're gonna go
out and look for these guys off and she takes
the boat back, returns it to go to the church.
And that's when we also meet the town's damn operator, Hank.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
He's a damn operator. He's a damn opera damn operator,
and he is a character actor that's in a ton
of stuff lately. Yeah, no, I can't. I'll see if
I can find his name real quick. Wayne to Ball,
Wayne Wall.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Wayne to Ball. Yeah, he was recently in the hunt.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Yes, yeah, that's what I'm I'm I'm seeing I think first,
because that's a great role.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Have you ever seen on his credits for The Hunt,
his name is his question His name is Don with
two question marks.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Because we don't know is he don uh? Yeah? Because
he was in oh yeah, he was in a Quiet
Place too. He was in Werewolves Within Yeah. Oh yeah,
yeah he was. He's been in a bunch. He was
in Richard Jewel. Yeah, yeah, he's been.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
And he's that he's again that good character actor that
can play good and bad because like when we meet
him in Hard Rain, he's kind of he's kind of
a loof. I mean we literally meet him coming out
of the bathroom because an alarms going off.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Yeah. I think that now, you know, twenty almost thirty
years on from that character, yeah, or from when we
saw him in that Yeah, I think it's a lot
harder to think he's a threat now because he comes
off as just like a sweet old guy. Yeah. Yeah,
that's my even in the Hunt. Well, in the Hunt,
I mean we still don't know. I still don't know,
you know, if he was a bad guy or not. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
So the town's damn operator Hank is open. He's opening
the spillway, because that's gonna release some water, but that
also releases a large wave and the town starts to
flood a little deeper.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Oops oops oopsy Daisy.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
And in doing so, Tom is still trapping the cell
as the water even starts to rise in the cell.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Yeah, and it starts to rise u surprisingly fast, very fast.
Now I'm not a scientist, but if he can't get
out of the cell, yeah, I think he might drown.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
I think he might drown. And also they might be
at fault.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Well, yeah, they don't control the weather, David.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Yeah, but they control locking someone in a fucking cell.
So Karen gets the church protected as best as she can,
and that's when she realizes that the water is getting higher.
She's worried about Tom and actually goes back to the jail,
and by this point the water is completely up to
the top. He's trying to get his some keys out
by a desk, which the desk starts floating and then

(58:20):
floats by him so he can get to it. But
right as that happens, Karen's on the roof. She opens
this hatch where the cell is Apparently.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Remember he gets the keys, No, he does, And and
I love it because he looks at the keys and
they both have big Ford logos on him. He goes, great,
I'll drive here. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
She opens the top of this hatch that just happens
to be right above this cell, luckily, and so now
they're on the roof of the jail and the water
is still absolutely rising.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
One of the most suspenseful scenes because he's literally up
to this grate, this top grate, and he's trying to breathe,
and then it gets past the grate. He gets a tube,
so he starts breathing through, but eventually the water gets
that's above the two two really quick, real quick. It's
awesome because he's constantly like, okay, I can get a

(59:06):
few more breaths, and it's like, no more of that.
It's like, okay, I can get a few more breaths,
No more of That's It's one of two, in my opinion,
brilliantly planned suspense scenes, the other one being later on.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Well right here is one of my favorites. So they
get on the roof and that's when they also see
the guys are still out looking for the money. So
he sees Tom's gang and everything or not Tom Jim's gang,
and that's when also Kenny one of his gang notices,
who is actually the guy that shot Charlie. Kenny's kind
of the wild guy because one of my favorite parts
with him is him in the beginning talking about the
money and Morgan Freeman hands him that crossroad puzzle that says,

(59:41):
if you talk about the money again, I'll kill you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Yeah, so good. It's a really good one. The dichotomy
of their group is really interesting.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Yeah, So Kenny spots them, he goes off chasing them,
and by this point Tom and Karen are out in
the street trying to swim. The water is just rising
and rising, and also now they see that a transformer
is getting ready to hit the water.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
It was Optimist Prime if you are correct.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Wow, So the transform is getting ready to hit and
by this point Kenny catches up with them. They're fighting
in the water for a little bit, even uppercuts him,
and then they realize that like they're in serious danger,
so they climb up onto this thing that turns out
to be metal. So then they have to move to
the side of the building, which is what I love
because it's just getting there by second and second.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Yeah, and Rachel and I had an interesting conversation when
we were watching this because she was like, well, water
doesn't conduct electricity, and I was like, fresh water doesn't,
but I'm sure this water's been polluted by all this
stuff that's gotten in and I looked it up and yes,
so fresh distilled fresh water. Yeah, and generally pure fresh

(01:00:39):
water is a poor conductor of electricity. But if you
get any junk in it, even remotely salt, yeah, any
kind of minerals, it becomes a better conductor. So when
he gets roasted, yeah he does. It is somewhat realistic, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Because he's holding onto the metal, the metal thing, and
then he also falls into the water and it just
completely bites it, but doesn't bite it just right away
because his buddies end up finding him. They pull him
into the boat in one of the most chilling scenes
that like, every time I see it, I just think
it's gonna go a different way, even though I've seen
this movie multiple times, because Morgan Freeman's just like, oh no, no,
the pain's the pain's gonna subside, You're gonna be okay,

(01:01:19):
Like everything's gonna work out, And you're thinking, like he's
either gonna off him or he's just gonna like toss him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Well, because at this point we don't really know what
kind of crooks they are. Yeah, and it seems like
they're kind of like mad dog killers, but they're not. No,
there really not. And yeah, is he's talking to me,
he's like lying to me. He's like, I wouldn't lie
to you. And then he dies and Freeman seems legitimately surprised.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Oh he does that because he was is his nephew
or something like it's somebody was he was told that
he would take care of him, because he's even like
he wasn't even supposed to be here, like he just
I told him I would take care of him something
like that. So by this point, Tom and Karen have
made it off the streets and they have made it
into Doreen and Henry's house, which we find immediately because
as they go into the window, there's two fucking bear

(01:02:02):
traps just ready to go.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Yeah, and this scene is, like I said, the much
needed levity, Yeah, because as they come in there, it's
just non stop bickering. Why did you come to our house? Yeah?
With all their their valuables? Yeah, you know, why are
you coming to our house? Is like we thought it
was abandoned, Like, well, all the other houses are abandoned,
just not ours.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
So they end up going in the attic with them,
and that's when Tom realizes he's got to sneak out
and try to secure the money because otherwise they're gonna
find it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Well, also, they don't want them there anymore because he
tells them what's going on and oh, yeah, you're just
gonna bring it and he's like, you're you're right, I
would just bring him to you and he doesn't want
to do that anyway. But one of my favorite scenes
is as he's like, they could take our boat, and
he's like you're gonna give our boat? You know? Well
then what do we have to float away on or whatever?
So but as he's getting on the boat, he's like

(01:02:51):
she's yelling at him. He's like, hurry up already, what
are you gonnakiss him goodbye? And he's like, you're sure
you don't want to come with me? And I love
that he thinks about Literally it's like, hey, I'm gonna
take this boat and go try to avoid these killers. Yeah,
and he's like I'm thinking, yeah, that killed me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
So he gets the boat goes out a bit, but
as he is going back out, we see Freeman's gang
and they're like, okay, well we know where he's going.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
It's so creepy because as he goes by, we realize
they're just hanging back way behind well, just waiting for
him to pass them by. Which, think about that, think
about it, think about it. But it makes sense because
in a flood, no one is standing still. You're not
going to just stay in one place, especially not if
the water keeps rising. If you're whether you're swimming or

(01:03:38):
you're in a boat, you're gonna go somewhere. Yeah. So yeah,
they just parked in basically a front yard, except you know,
it's eight feet above the front yard. They just park
their waiting and he passes right by him, and there
he is, but where he's going. But when they say,
like we should go get him, he's like, he's like,
we can't just go after him. He might electrocute another
one of us or whatever. Yeah, So now he's making
it clear that like he's kind of afraid of this
guy dangerous because he didn't see how his guy got electric.

(01:04:01):
All he knows is that guys are turning up dead dead. Yeah,
so he's got this cautiousness that I thought was really refreshing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
So we see him do, we see Tom go out
a little bit. And by this point, also Sheriff Mike
has radioed Hank and he's basically asking him, like, how
are things going, And he's just like, you know, it's
getting bad out here. I don't know how much longer
the dam's gonna hold. And he basically recruits him to
come join them, because he's like, come out, come out here,
and bring your gun.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Well, I think he said, I deputized you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
I deputized you, and that meant that you follow my orders.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Yeah, because I think I think that the original reason
he deputized him was so that he could stay in town,
in town, to stay at the thing, because because the
evacuation orders for all citizens civilians, Yeah, so only the
police could stay there. So that's why I would assume that,
so he wouldn't be liable or so.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
By this point, Tom reservices at the truck and Morgan
Freeman's right on top and they have kidnapped the elderly couple. Yeah,
but he also finds out that Karen's back in the
attic she was hiding. They didn't see her. Yes, So
he's like, you know, okay, well, now you're gonna show
us where the money is or I'm gonna kill these
nice people and it's gonna be your fault. And he's like, no,
I'm not doing that. He's like, let them go and
I'll show you where the money is. So he does

(01:05:10):
end up letting them go, and one of my favorite
lines ever is she's Betty Betty White. Deen is in
the is in the back of the boat and he's
rowing and they row away from him. She's like, go faster,
I want to get away, and he turns the boat around.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
And she's like what are you doing. He's like, well
you do trust me? Like you do you want me
to go? All right? Then shut the fuck up. That's
a great moment because Betty White's character, I mean, she's
been early on, like when she was arguing with the sheriff. Yeah.
She actually at one point said like, were you even elected?
Because I know for a fact I didn't vote for you,
and neither did my husband. He's like stop, yeah, picking
fights with him.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
So Tom, Yeah, Tom says he's gonna reveal to them
where the money is. And by this point we have
a little conversation between him and Jim, and Jim actually
reveals that they were the ones called by char Early
originally and the truck.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Went out right, and that's why there's no national guard
national Guard coming.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Yeah, he was in cahoots with them. They had been
old working buddies and like you know, Tom doesn't want
to believe this. Christmas later is just like no, like
you're fucking lying, Like he wouldn't do that, And he's
just like, oh well no, like he this is this
is the situation of things.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
So that's when he was only killed because Kenny was
told was not told by Charlie that was in on
the gang. So Kenny fired a shot and killed somebody
that he didn't realize was in on the heist.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Well, and now we know why. After the shooting stopped,
Morgan Freeman called out to him says everybody, okay over there. Yeah,
and that makes a lot more sense because it felt taunting. Yeah,
but now it's like, no, he there was supposed to
be a very simple transaction, yeah, but everything got messed up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
So by this point we have found out that Tom
hid the money in the local cemetery. He tied it
to a tombstone, so he dives into the water because
Morgan Freeman's like, go get it. And he goes down
there and the rope has been and cut loose and
the money is gone.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Yeah, so good to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
That's when he resurfaces and we see lights on the
other side of the cemetery as Sheriff Hank and his
crony show up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Oh, thank goodness the law and they waste no time
getting a gunfire going. No, they're ready to rock. They
are ready to rock.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Yeah, and we get the first like really good shootout
in the movie, which is in the cemetery, which again
they're up to their fucking shoulders in water swimming to
the cemetery doing a gunfight while they're in a boat like,
oh no, it's slick as hell, it's insane. So that's
when they're ambushed by Mike and his deputies and also.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Hank shows up.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Hey, and that's when Mike tells him because Hank's like, hey,
what's what's going on here. Hank's got a really nice rifle,
by the way, yes he does. And Sheriff Mike says, hey,
you know that money that they're transporting out of town
we're keeping it seven hundred and fifty thousand each, so
it's three million split four ways. And he's like, all right,
all right, So they're in on it now. So Mike
is completely abandoning his town and he is going after

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this money and he will kill any witnesses in the
way of it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Well, if you think about it the old time, the
older folks there, like like his character would be, and
like Betty White her husband, they remember the last flood,
So of course his first thought would be, yeah, the
chaos of that last flood was so mad, like no
one would know, like no one would be able to
be blamed. It just would be one of those things
you just write it off as like it was a
horrible flood. But they also don't realize that the weather

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is actually getting worse than anyone could have imagined. And
this is why I love natural disaster movies where the
disaster is not the key element, because the biggest folly
you could ever make is not paying attention to the
real threat. And they're not. They're like, oh, yeah, it's

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flooding stuff. But it's like you do realize, like the
water just has not stopped rising once. This is probably
gonna be worse than bad. This is going to be
so bad you guys should not be here at all.
Is really dangerous, and I love that. It's it's kind
of funny because you know what, what who like kind
of mastered that element, that concept, that that idea is
George Romero. Yeah, because the big thing about his Dead

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movies is you always got eaten by the zombies when
you forgot about the zombie that that was the original threat, yea.
And the reason for everything that's happening, the reason you're
hauled up in a farmhouse, or the reason you're hauled
up in a mall, or the reason you're hauled up
in an aircraft bunker. You're a bunker thing. It's all
because of the zombies. But then you get so caught
up in the human element of arguing and bickering and

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disagreeing and being annoyed because you know you're stuck with
these people you don't like, in their farting and being annoying,
and it's I love that. And that's one of my
favorite things in this movie is that all of a
sudden it realize like, oh, yeah, this flood is dangerous.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Well, it's like when you put the human element in
there of anybody that can backstab and go about their
own ways and everything, and then you put the element
of the weather in there. It just makes everything kind
of go up to eleven because you just have people
that are not paying attention to the situation focused on
this greed.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
For example here exactly no, exactly right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Yeah, so we lose one of the guys, mister Mayler
and Ray are killed in the shootout, which.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
He gets it right through the fucking eye. That's brutal, brutal.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
And that's when Jim and Tom escape because they end
up chucking a grenade over which tips one of the
boats over, and they end up stealing a boat and
riding off. So they're riding through town with the guys
right behind them, and that by this point, also Karen
has been found in the water because she went back
to the church. Randy Quaids picked her up. He and
his other guys decide that they're going to follow Tom

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and Jim, of course, and that is when Jim and
Tom decide to hide in the church.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
I mean, why not.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Oh my god, this is probably my favorite seat of
the entire movie.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Yeah, Now this is where it gets real, real good.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
So they're hiding in the church and by this point,
also Christian Slater's been shot, so he's got to find
something to take care of himself. They have a little
bit of a heart to heart about Charlie and everything,
and he's like, you know, Charlie wasn't a bad guy.
He just wanted himself taken care of and.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
This was the cash out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
This is the way to do it. So he was
going to retire and everything. And then we have Deputy
Wayne who decides to take Karen back to her house. Yes, yeah,
Deputy Wayne, who is played by what is his name?
It is Mark? I think what Mark Ralston?

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Who?

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
If you don't know that name. He plays Bogs in
Shawshank Redemption the.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Rapist, I'm looking him up. Yep, yep, Mark Ralston. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Mark Ralston plays Bogs and he also plays Wayne in
this movie. So he takes Karen back to her house
because he's always kind of had a thing for her.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
People would probably mostly know him from Soft five five
yeah and six, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
But he handcuffs Karen to her own banister. And keep
in mind again the flood is still going. There is
water inside her house, but it hasn't gotten serious.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Yet, yes yet.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Yeah, but he handcuffs her to the banister and he
starts spouting off about a deer penthouse letter and just
really nasty stuff. The power goes out, he lights a candle,
and he's basically getting ready to rape her, but she
ends up getting a Swiss army knife and stabbing him
right in.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
The back of the fucking head. Yes, and this is
where we lead into what I think is the other
best suspense piece. I mean, there's a lot of great
moments with standoffs in action. But yeah, but now she
is handcuffed to a banister and the water is rising. Yeah,
and this was so well thought out because a banister

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has every maybe three feet a support, you know, so
the banister doesn't fall lean on him. Yeah. So, now
as the water's rising, her only option is to take
her Swiss army knife go and unscrew each of the connections.
So every time she's about to drown, she gains three
feet and then has to work up to the gu
top and then has to go three But then when
she gets when she finally does get to the top,

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now there's nowhere else to go.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
We should also mention that when Wayne got stabbed in
the back ahead he went and drew his gun, tried
to fire her, missed her luckily, but also has the
keys on his belt for the cuffs. So she's stuck
and his body's floating out in front of the house
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Yeah, he would have been too far away even if
he wasn't floating.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
So she's trying to work up the banister. By this point,
we also see that Sheriff Mike and Hank have found
them in the church and they're throwing Maltov cocktails into
the church on top of the church, but it's so
wet nothing's catching, which.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
Is hilarious that they're using fire in a rainstorm, yeah,
and a flood.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
And that's when they decide to completely run their boats
through the stained glass windows of the church, entering at.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
The exact sense to mention is the best part of
that isn't that they go through the stay glass. It's
that they do it in perfect synchronization. So they punched
through these giant stained glass windows, huge shattering, splashing, epic
as fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Oh yeah, And so by this point we've got Deputy Phil,
We've got Sheriff Mike and Hank, and they are all
in the church and we don't see any sign of
Tom or Jim, and then both of them rise out
of the water like any good action movie and just
start laying fucking way.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
We're like one of the greatest action movies missing in action.
This section was them two I think it was two, yeah,
or no, that's what one. It was one, which clip two? Yes, yes, yeah, no, No,
that's one of the greatest moments in cinema history when
Chuck Dorris just rises up out of the water with
a giant machine.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
What I love is like Morgan Freeman rises out with
two pistols and is just laying waste, but you get
pistol pov for a second. Yeah, and it just feels
like a nineties First Shooter, which I love.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Oh yeah, no, no, it's it's a great it's a
great touch. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
So they're they're into a firefight for a little bit,
and then they all stop because something starts happening, which
would be the alarm from the dam.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Which means the dam is about to overflow, the damn
is about to give yeah, and and that's very bad. Yeah, mean,
anytime you give a damn, you set that one up
a little bat No, but this is and this is
again what I was talking about of ignoring the real threat,
because no matter how tough you are, no matter how

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smart you are as a crook, this is this is
a natural disaster. This will kill you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
This will kill you and not have a second thought.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
Yeah, there is no thought at all. That's the thing
is Mother Nature could give a crap.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
So I love that moment where it happens because then
they're just kind of like what does that mean. It
was like, it's gonna be bad. Yeah, it's gonna be bad.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
So the damn alarm's going off and he's like, you know,
how much time do we have, Hank, And Hank's like
not much. He's like, you know, it's old. It's gonna go.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Yeah. And that's the guy who was keeping up, keeping up. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Yeah, So Sheriff Mike is like, all right, boys, drop
your guns. Then this is what we're gonna do. You're
gonna give me a couple of bags of money and
we're all gonna go our separate ways.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
But yeah, he said, I'll just take a couple of those.
I'm not greedy. Yeah. Jim is not having it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
He's like no, because the whole movie, Morgan Freeman has
said he is here for the money. He doesn't care
about anybody anything else. I'm here for the money. So
he's like, no, we're not We're not doing it. And
he's just like, oh, come on, are you really gonna
let this go? And then all of a sudden, that
is when the tom decides that he's gonna save Karen.
So he rides out on the one boat.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Well, well you forgot though one of the one of
the cop guys. Oh yeah, it was injured. Yeah, and
he was like kind of left in the water. You've
got Hank.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Hank and Deputy Phil have Christian Slater both on their
bear rights, and that's when Phil can't do it. So
then Hank shoots him and goes woos falls into the
water and that's when he's like, you know, well, where's
Karen and Mike won't tell.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
Him, and that's when boy and give give us the money?

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Yeah, And that's when Phil floats by and he's just like,
she lives on Boy Street, second floor, a big house.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Yeah, even he says, like a blue siding, yeah, you
know all this stuff. And that's a great moment too,
where he's like that I don't care about it. I
don't care about this. I'm dying and I didn't sign
up for any of this. I wasn't I didn't come
here to freaking Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
So that is when, like I said, Tom rides off
to go save Karen, and that at this point, Mike
and Jim are kind of at a standstill, and Mike
puts down his gun. Jim puts down his gun. But
that's only when Mike goes into the water, pulling a
revolver out of his shoe and says, you should have
killed me when you had the chance, and shoots Jim
out of the boat, steals the boat, yes, rides out
of the church. So now Jim and Phil are still
in the church and Mike and Hank escape in the boat.

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Hank is looking at the alarm stops and that's when
we start to see that the dam is breaking.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
Yeah, and it's awesome. It's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
There is a huge, huge wave coming from them as
they ride out of this church, and even Hank's like, hey, man,
go faster, and he's like, all right, I will pushes
Hank out of the boat.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
Yeah, He's like, we gotta go faster. He's like, you're right,
and you just push him bout. I love that. Not
only does he push him out of the speedboat, but
then he hits a pole.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Yeah, it hits a pole, and he grabs onto the pole.
But then the water keeps going. So then Hank gets
pushed into this alley which also then breaks free of
this fucking propane tank. Yes, that ignites goes shooting right
at him, and another great explosion, an excellent explosion, And
I love it because his hat lands in the water toasted.
So Tom gets to the house. He finds Karen handcuffed

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to the banister. He's trying to kick it free, but
nothing's happening. So then he's She's like, you know, there's
a saw in the kitchen. He goes to get the saw.
Saw breaks on the first cut, so then he ends
up just shooting it off. Yeah, because that's the only
one thing they can do.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
So it's life in the big city.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
He gets Karen free, and by this point the water
is up super high. At the point they just climb
onto the roof, but then the house foundation completely breaks
free and Karen's house starts going washing away with the
with the water.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
Yeah, a lot of things are now washing away the
water like most of the town.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Most of the town, but so the house breaks free.
They're climbing up on the roof of the house, and
that's when Mike is just right there waiting in his
boat and starts firing on them while they're on top
of this house. Yes, so they're floating on this house
as it's going through. Sheriff Mike's in this boat shooting
at them, and we see Jim is off to the
side in the boat that he took and he starts
hearing the shots, so he follows it out. So then

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he starts approaching Mike starts firing at him. They have
a firefight exchange. He ends up hitting Jim's boat, which
then he has to completely just do what he has
to do, which is completely accelerated ramps off the house.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
Mike is taking shots.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
At the boat as the boat lands, But what he
doesn't realize is Jim launched the boat the fricking engine
and the propeller came off, Yes, And as he launched it,
that launched off too and hits a killer crocodiles.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Sheriff Mike the boat. The boat just barely misses him,
and he's like, ah, and then the engine yes, clobbers,
hurdles and right at him. It's brutal.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
Well, I said Killer Crocodile, because remember that's how they
defeat the crocodile.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
And at the end of Killer Crocodile, they love me
some Killer Crocodile.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
If a dear listener, view er, if you have not
seen Killer Crocodile, which was beautifully released one and two
through seven several years ago in Blu ray do it
just just yourself. It's on two B, it's on Voodoo.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Great great example of just a Bonker's Italian exploitation movie.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
So, Sheriff Mike is knocked in the water and he
pops up bloody at this point, and he's trying to
grab a bag of money. But also Karen is in
the boat that he gets into, and Karen picks up
a rifle. She's getting ready to shoot him. And by
this point Tom and Jim have found each other again
at the side, and when he goes to bring his
revolver up, she goes to fire the rifle. It's empty,

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and then Tom and Jim just light Sheriff Mike cup.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
Yeah. Yeah. The final moment is just shooting an obscene
amount of bullets in slow motion. Oh of course, yes,
of course, I mean how else could you do?

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
So he is kid Squibb City holding this bag of money,
falls back into the water, bloody, and everything's fine now
because Indiana State Police show up just in time. And
that's when Jim asked Tom if he's going to turn
the money in, and he's like, well, I've got to.
He's like, I have to turn the money in, and
he's like, you better get out of here. And just
as he's riding out of town or rowing out of town,

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he comes across the body of Sheriff Mike and just
picks up a bag of money and puts it in
the boat with him and rows off into the moonlight.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
Yeah, off into the inevitable sunset, into the inevitable sunset.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
So that's when Tom rejoins Karen and she's like, you know, hey,
how is the church?

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
Like is the church okay?

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
And he's like, I'll give you the good news, like
there was some fire damage, but the flood put it out.
And she's like, well, what do you mean flood damage
And he's like, oh, well, like you know, the roof
of damage, fire damage, And he's like, oh, you know,
it's nothing to worry about. They seemed fine enough to
drive their boats through those stained glass and then they
just freeze frame with them holding their hands up in
the air. And that is nineteen ninety eight's Hard Rain.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
And it is quite a little film and quite a
little piece of nineteen nineties joy. Oh yeah, I mean
it is. It's nineties as hell. It's it's ridiculous. It's
kind of silly and a lot of fun, A lot
of fun, a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
So the budget, I think you already know, but do
you want to guess?

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
I Unfortunately, I think I was. It was not one hundred,
but it was like seven.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Yes, yeah, seventy seventy million dollars is the budget.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
And it didn't do so good at the box office.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
It opens January nineteenth, nineteen ninety eight, so it was dumped, yeah,
to eight million dollars opening weekend, grossing nineteen million dollars
worldwide when all is said and done. So that's like
a fifty million dollar loss.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
It's not great, not great.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
So shot at Huntington, Indiana.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
There is no major river or dam nearby, but there
are two reservoirs that near the town, plus a six
million dollar set in aircraft hangar that was done in Palmdale, California.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
Yeah, And that was one of the first things when
I was rewatching and I was thinking about was I
was like, I'm I'm gonna guess this was all. I mean,
all the big flood seats were done in a in
a studio. And actually one of the first things I
thought was like, well, I mean they could go like
the Abyss and just rent an aircraft carrier or aircraft hangar. Yeah.
And they did and they did, and it makes sense
because I mean, the amount of water, the amount of

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being wet, yeah, would be so unpleasant.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Production of the film was a collaborative effort among numerous
film studios, one of which was British Broadcasting Corporation. Christian
Slater himself served as co producer. At one point, John
Wu was attached to direct this film, and he left
to direct Face Off instead, and the project was then
taken over by Mikhale Salmon.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
I could see that being a John Wu production, Oh, yeah,
for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
At the time of filming, the movie had the largest
painted scenic background ever used in a film.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
I believe that too. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
Was originally titled The flood, but was changed because the
filmmakers didn't want audiences to assume it was primarily a
disaster movie.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
Yeah, I agree, the flood would make it sound like
it was all about the flood. I think Hard Rain
is a solid title, a solid title that kind of
tells you there's a little more going on.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
Director Mikhale Salmon Solomon was hired to direct his film
based on his work on James Cameron's grueling filming of
The Abyss, in which most of the sets were in
underwater tanks, much like this film required misery.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
Oh yeah, it's miss If.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
You haven't watched the behind the scenes of The Abyss,
it's sad.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
I mean, the actors are just flat out there like
this was really awful. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Christis Later's contract for this film stated his body temperature
should not be allowed to drop more than point one degrees.
To accommodate this, all fake Rain was kept at one
degree above body temperature. Because of this, the film's heating
budget was almost triple the special effects budget.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
God damn that, my friends. That's called having a really
good attorney. Yeah, that you may put in the contract
your body temperature can't drop. He must have done he
must have worked with water before, or heard the nightmare
stories from the abyss or impossible or are some of
those because that's a fascinating demand. Yeah, but honestly, I

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bet everybody was thankful.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
Oh, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Although it must have been weird to have like that
much water and it was like bath water warm.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
I just think it's it's insane to think that this
is one year before Titanic.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
That's a good point. Yeah, yeah, I didn't think about that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
Executives were so fearful of an outbreak of Legionnaire's disease
while filming that they insisted all pipes used for water
effects were fully flushed every hour. Technical crew tried to
inform execs that the pipes were technically being flushed continually
by the flow of water. It fell on deaf years,
and the resulting insistence to pause production hourly made the
movie go over budget by fifty million and completed sixteen

(01:24:10):
months late. There was no true risk of Legionnaire's disease.
It was fifty fifty million.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
There's no That doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
It says that's that that's IMDb says.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
Fifty million doesn't make any sense. I mean because because uh,
if the movie had a seventy million dollar budget, that
they would never get try they would never have to
make that twenty twenty though, that sounds I mean, I
believe even a maybe a million or two even that,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
That's a SIMDB for you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
Yeah, that one sounds a little scurless. Fifty millions an
insane amount of money. Yeah, Like I feel like, yeah,
I feel like nobody would have ever worked again. But
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
According to Ryter Graham, Yeo's producer Mark Gordon, and he
briefly considered the film as a potential sequel to Speed,
The studio wasn't interested in a story so disconnected from
the first film. They decided to move on with Christen
Slater and Minnie Driver playing new characters instead of Keanu
Eves and Sandra Bullock repliesing their roles, Replies applising their role.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
So they were like, we don't want it to be
so far from the original premise, you know, anyway, Cruise Control,
how can the same thing happen? Oh God, I love that.
That's one of the best parts of the diart too.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
The producers wanted to hire Oscar winner Jerry Goldsmith to
write the film's score, but could not afford his salary.
Christopher Young from Urban Legend, lobbied hard to get the
job and ultimately got it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
He did a good job. I will say, had they
gotten Goldsmith old Smith, Oh yeah, if they had gotten him, though,
I do think it would have been very memorable. Yeah. Maybe,
I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I'm sure
he would do a great job. He was one of
the greatest composers of all time. But like his kind
of sentimental swells and stuff, I don't know, it's hard

(01:25:42):
to say it. I'm really yeah, that makes me curious.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
And finally, according to Morgan Freeman, his character was supposed
to die in the end of the original cut, but
producers changed it after a negative test audience screening. Morgan
Freeman commented on his character surviving in reshoots. I played
a bad guy in a movie and they showed it
to an audience, and we're letting an audience tell us
what to do. Now, you know, an audience said, well,
I don't want him. Morgan can't die and I was
a thief. He should get some money. We went back

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into the studio and reshot it. So that I didn't
die and I did get some money.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
Now, I overall agree with Morgan Freeman on many things, yeah,
but especially in many ways that but it's not like
the movie wasn't setting up. He had like a heart
of goals. Yeah, you know, he didn't turn out to
be like Hans Gruber no something.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
I mean, he didn't even fire a single shot like
into any of our any our heroes.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
Yeah, but I mean one of the big twists is
that he's not really that bad of a guy. So,
I mean, I think that in that case, the audience
being like, I don't like this tragic ending for him
because he wasn't that bad of a guy. I see,
I could see it. I see what they're they're going for. Plus,
you know, if they have to make up a fifty
million over I feel like that would be more than
almost any film has ever gone over budget in history.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
I would think, I mean, Bonfire the Vanities is up there, though,
I will say that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
Now I'm very curious.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
So what are your final thoughts on nineteen ninety eight?
It's hard rain, oh man.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
I mean, well, before we give our thoughts, m m
oh oh, yes, oh my, you should we check in
how could I forget that we have to check in
with the greats Roger Eberts and Gene Siskel. Yes, yes,
let's see hips all wrinkled up.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
Morgan Freeman looks way too smart to continue trying to
pull off an impossible job under deadly conditions. I mean,
after about an hour of that, wouldn't you just say
I'm just going to go to dry Land and check
into an ice motel, get a warm shower.

Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
And the plot is ridiculous. That's where this falls down.
These are good actors in this thing. Why can't why
can't they read a script? This is not a close call.
This is a very bad screenplay.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
Maybe it was positioned as a big action picture with
a big payday and they thought, well, I.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Do think there's some truth to that Houston Rockets game.

Speaker 4 (01:27:48):
One of the players, Matt Buller, comes over during the game.
It says to me, he says, did you see hard rain?
I said, yes, it stinks. He says, yeah, we saw.
It's awful. Well, Matt our show plays in Houston Channel eleven,
khow you just after midnight on Saturday take a triple
overtime game to keep you away from our show? Channel
eleven in Houston, Matt. This is why we exist.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
This is why we exist in the show. Wow Jesus.
I mean, I guess fair enough. I do enjoy occasionally
peeking at what they said. Now, I will say time
has been kind to hard Range, absolutely without a doubt.
So I I but I can't give it a rent it.

(01:28:32):
I gotta give it a stream and I think it's it's.
Your best bet is to watch it for free. That's
fair free with ads. It's on Pluto right now, which
is a great way to watch it with ads. Yeah,
so I would highly recommend sitting on and watching it. Now.
You know, if the nineties is your comfort food, then
you probably want to own it, yeah, or you probably
should desperately see it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
I really hope we get a four K of it
soon because this just feels like one that Paramount would
absolutely put out.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
Again. Yeah, I could see it getting a four K.
I mean it's got an all star cast, and like
I said, it's aged well yeah so.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
And it has the Jars of Clay song at the ends,
as Rachel pointed.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Out, apparently he does.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
But yeah, I'm actually gonna give it a rent it.
I personally think it's a lot of fun. It's if
you're looking for that dumb action movie that you can
sit down with your friends in a six pack or
just have a good time on like a Saturday night.
This is like the perfect movie.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
Oh it's totally a pizza movie. Yeah with friends. Oh sure,
It's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
The action is is nuts, The performances are great, and
I mean you just you don't realize the length that
this movie is gonna go to to be like holy shit, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
No, no it does. And I really cannot overstate there
are some great suspense moments and I really think that
that jail cell one and the chain and the handcuffed
to the banister the banister are like really really right
there well, and they're really inspired, especially because I mean
really you would have to come up with that. Yeah,
you would have to look at a banister and just go,

(01:29:58):
oh yeah there's a stop the Oh man, if you
were stuck to that, you just you would have to
save yourself again and again and again. It's just a
great it's a great and inspired piece of a filmmaker. Yeah,
so I've got to give big props to that, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
So we always like to end the show with a
couple of recommendations. My first one for this week is
twenty eighteen's The Hurricane Heist, currently available on Peacock Plex,
Prime Roku and to be Thieves attempt a massive heist
against the US Treasury as a Category five hurricane approaches
one of its ment facilities.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
This movie is really stupid, yes, the like considering what
a category five means. Yeah, not very realistic, like anybody
who had But then again, I think they were stealing
like one hundred million.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
They were stealing a lot. But like, and this movie
is I mean, it borrows a lot from Hard Rain
for one, but on top of that, the effects are
the same people that do Fast and the Furious. So
if you're going to go into a into a movie
and think you're not gonna see some shit from those people,
you're insane, because Hurricane Heist really just packs a punch
to where it's just like they're really going there. Okay,

(01:31:06):
they're really doing this.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
No, I yeah, I would have to I would have
to agree.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
And then my second recommendation, It's gonna be a little
difficult for you to find unless you want to buy
a Blu Ray, But this was one that you and
I watched just sporadically one moment because I had bought
the Blu ray over. I think we watched this the
same night as we watch Pray for Death, which is
nineteen ninety one's The Taking of Beverly Hills. God that
movie's not currently available on Keno Lauriber Blue ray. A

(01:31:32):
group of embittered X cops use a chemical spill to
raid the banks and homes of Beverly Hills. Is this synopsis.
But the one thing it leaves out is there is,
of course one man who's not gonna stand for that,
who may just happen to live in Beverly Hills as
this occurs.

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
I yeah, I freaking love that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
No, this movie is insane taking up Beverly Hills. I
cannot recommend enough. If you can get a hand on it,
then absolutely do it. And if you do watch it,
please right into the show because I would love to
hear your thoughts on this batshit insanity of a movie.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
I want to mention, by the way, I got curious
about movies that went the most over budget. Another film
that dealt with water water World, water World, who Yeah,
seventy five million dollars over budget.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
But then it actually was somewhat of the hit because
of video. That's the one thing that a lot of
people forget. They're all is like a huge box office bomb,
but like video cue.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
Oh well, I'm not even talking about box office. I'm
just talking about like it went over budget by seventy
five million against one hundred million dollar budget. And apparently
Titanic had one hundred million dollar budget and went one
hundred million. Oh yeah, over budget. But it didn't matter.
Nobody cared no, no, because it was an insanely successful.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
So what's your recommendation, sir?

Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
Oh goodness, Well, I went with something. I didn't go
with the weather thing, because we're talking about some of
the best weather movies this whole month for April showers.
Yes kind of thing. Yes. So I went with a
movie that to me, I think of and I thought
of the entire time I was watching Hard Rain and
a movie that is a lot better. It was a
movie that growing up, when it was on cable, when

(01:33:05):
it was on HBO, I would never not watch it.
And that is nineteen ninety six is Broken Arrow, Broken Arrow? Great?
Broken Arrow is a great film, good starring John Travolta
and of course Christian Slater. Yes, for those who don't
know Broken Arrow, which is shocking to me. Terrorists steal
nuclear warheads from the US military, but don't count on
a pilot and a park Ranger spoiling their plans.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Probably the movie that got him hard ran originally before
he left it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
I would guarantee it, yeah, and directed by John wu Yeah.
Also written by gram Yose Yeah, which when you mentioned
I was like, oh, yeah, because I had already picked it.
But that's a great one, shockingly only available to rent
right now. Shocked that that's not I actually the funny stories.
The last time I watched it was actually on this TV. Yeah,
Like I was on TV. Yeah, so I was like, oh,
just like the olden days, say there's a Blu Ray

(01:33:48):
that there's a Blu.

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
Ray triple pack that's like ENTRAPMENTT, Broken Arrow and fuck
what's the other one. It's ENTRAPMENTT, Broken Arrow and speed ooh,
or you can get Broken Arrow by itself. But yeah,
that hasn't hit for which I'm kind of surprised at it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
It's one of those that sometimes the really big movies
just nobody does anything with it. Yeah, for a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
You know, well, I feel like Broken Arrow isn't talked
about much these days, and that movie is criminally underrated
at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
I remember, so I was a kid, I mean I
was ten when it came out. Yeah, and I remember
the big thing was a campaign to get people to
know what broken arrow means. For those who don't know,
broken arrow is government military right terminology for a lost
nuclear weapon. Yes, and and it's it's great because when

(01:34:36):
you know that, when you watch the film and they
report like we have a broken Arrow, they're just like
like every like the blood dreams that everybody's faces when
they hear that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
One of my favorite scenes in that movie is when
it's like, I think the first car chase between Slater
and Gibolta, and Slater is like on the hood of
the car as its speeding, and John Travolta goes such
and such, what the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:34:58):
Yeah, no, it's so and throws the guests tank and
John wu especially, I mean because face Off is a
great example too. Yeah. He was always so good at
letting the actors be wacky at the right, especially Travolta.
Oh yeah, and that's why I mean his any of
his work with I mean his work with Nicholas Cage. Also,
he was like, and now go for it. Yeah, and

(01:35:20):
he'd be like, Okay, you know, I I love Broken Arrow.
Broken Arrow is a must watch if you haven't seen it,
and really if you haven't watched it since you know
Blockbuster Days, really good revisit.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
Holds up and also borrowed. Broken Arrow was borrowed music
in Scream for Dewey's theme.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
That's funny. M hmm, I love that. Yeah. So do
we have any emails? You know what? Shut up? We
actually we actually do. We actually got because we actually
to record these episodes very close. We actually have an
email here and it's from Brandon Gore. Well, I don't
know if he wants to give his last name, I'll
say Brandon. The email gives his full name. And he'd

(01:36:01):
actually been commenting on our Spotify, which you can comment
on Spotify. I'll usually reply directly over there. Yeah, but
he commented here, and I like the way his subject
line is perfect. He said, I like the thing you
are doing. And I really appreciate this because I actually
mentioned on the last episode that I really get touched

(01:36:22):
when people tell me that a podcast I'm doing brings
them the kind of happiness that podcasts have always brought
me because I've been a lifelong podcast listener. Yeah, he said.
I have been stuck alone for a few days because
of a screwed up ankle, and the pod has been
a wonderful tool to feel less lonely. I would like
to suggest you're gonna love this and we are going

(01:36:43):
to do it. Okay, we have to, I don't care.
I would like to suggest the return of the Texas
Chainsaw Massacre aka Texas Chainsaw for the next generation. Fuck me, okay.
Wonderful movies that are movies that break your brain, and
then he put good luck.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I I'm actually a fan of
TCM four, but it is the farthest from a TCM movie.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
I mean, they're not even then. No, we may we no,
we may have to. We may have to do that.
That's a movie that I need to revisit it even
once more, because.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
I need to watch the alternate cut on your Blu
ray too.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
I'm down because the thing with that movie is it's
so bizarre and so mindless in certain ways that I
that it's entertainment values high. Oh yeah, and you know,
based on the fact that I consider Jaws for the
most enter not best, most entertaining Jaws movie means I
would be curious to judge it again because I remember

(01:37:43):
after we rewatched it the one time when we rented it,
I bought the Blu Ray immediately I was like, I
kind of love how dumb this is, Like I kind
of need it. Yeah, it's so it's out there. I mean,
that's that that Brandon.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
We we will definitely entertain that idea, and it most
likely will happen.

Speaker 1 (01:37:56):
Yes, and and and Brandon, We're happy to hang out
with you, talk in movies and have it a good time. Yeah.
I also want to mention if anybody else wants to
email us, you can either send us an email at
do you even movie pod at gmail dot com or
send a message to dooeven movie dot com. We'd love
to hear from you, guys, whether it's to suggest a movie,
to tell us what you think of our opinions of
a movie, whatever it is, we'll be happy to hear

(01:38:18):
from you. You can also leave us a comment on
Spotify or if you're watching us on YouTube on YouTube.
If you're watching us on YouTube, please do subscribe, yes please,
And if you're listening to us via podcast. Make sure
you're subscribed there too, and why not leave us a
star rating? Yes, ideally five stars, you know I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
And if you want to come see us in person
this Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Yes, the first weekend of April. Yes,
a few days after this has gone live. We'll be
at the Cinema Wasteland convention in Strongsville, Ohio, which is
just outside Cleveland, just outside I'll be there vending and
Dave will be lurking.

Speaker 2 (01:38:53):
Lurking and drinking shop.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
I was gonna say sit thing, I was gonna be nice,
But yes, will be there. I will be there, and
if the weather's nice, you might even catch us smoking
cigars in the parking lot. Nice. It would be nice.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
I'm so happy that I have a room at the
hotel for the first time ever.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
Oh God, you're gonna get so drunk. No, I'm not,
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
I might get high. I don't know if I'll get
super drunk.

Speaker 1 (01:39:15):
Oh god, it's worse. It's not worse, guys, It's worse. Okay,
But yeah, we'll be at Cinema Wasteland. Go to Cinema
wasteland dot com for more information about the event. It's
a really fun horror movie expo, tons of guests to meet,
things to buy.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
If you're a collector of Felicia Rose, Michael Berryman is
the name a few that are gonna be there this time.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
Ye see Felicia for the first time since we worked together.
Hell yeah, I'll see if she remembers me, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:39:40):
I'm sure she will. I know you made her laugh
pretty good on set from what you told me.

Speaker 1 (01:39:45):
I had my moments. Yeah. Oh, and Lynn's is Lynn's
still gonna be there? I think I still saw Lynn
Lowry on the.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
I think she may have canceled last pot.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
I can't remember. She's a sweetheart and I enjoyed working
with her too. But we'll be there, so, yes, we will.
If you happen to be anywhere near Cleveland and you
want to hang out with us, let us know. Nothing
would shock Dave more than somebody walking in and say
I listened to Do you even move? Yeah? Yeah, but
be pretty shocking.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
So, speaking of do you have a movie? Would you
like to know what we're talking about next week as
April Showers rolls on? No, too bad, because this was
your suggestion, Oh, yes, it's time because do you want
to party? Yes, I do want to party. Because originally
it was gonna be Hurricane Heist, and you texted me
back and you said, hey, what if we swap Hurricane
Heist for the Return of the Living Dead from nineteen

(01:40:30):
eighty five?

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
Baby, I mean number one, it's an absolute classic and
a movie I haven't sat and like harshly watched it
harshly as a strong one, harshly, but like really like
watched the hell out intent I usually watch it, you know,
I just kind of put it on. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
Well, I mean I think we're both at that level
where we've seen it so many times that we can
just hear dialogue and picture the scene.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
Sure. Sure, but I have that brand new four K
Yes you do, so we gotta screen it in four K.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
And if you have not seen More Brains documentary, one
of the best documentaries going in depth of a single
film I've seen in a while, Well it not.

Speaker 1 (01:41:02):
To be that guy, but read the More Brains book. Yes,
because not only does it go into incredible depth, but
it talks about all five yeah, of the original Return
of the Living Dead movie All five. Well, look the
chapters about and Rave to the Grave Part four and five. Yes,

(01:41:24):
it's better than the movies because there's so much that happened,
and so much that went on, and so many good
things and bad things that led to it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
Be go to lengths to say that, even even though
I'm a little biased on this because speaking of Alice
Cooper Cold Machines, his song from one of my favorite album's,
Brutal Planet, is featured in Necropolis. Necropolis is actually way
more watchable than I remembered it, being Raved to the
Grave less so, Raved to the Grave docless much.

Speaker 1 (01:41:47):
But they one of their marketing things was they filmed
a portion of the movie in Sure Noble.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
Yes they did, Yes they did, which takes balls or three.

Speaker 1 (01:42:00):
Of them by the time you leave. Yeah. Yeah, And
Peter Coyote is just bizarre in it. Yeah. I do
enjoy a minute though, But a Return.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
Of Living Dead and from nineteen eighty five currently available
on Pluto MGM plus two V. As you mentioned, there's
also a great four KO It's very easy to get
ahold of, so if you haven't seen it, which I'm
shocked if you have it, but uh, we're getting ready
to party next week bab.

Speaker 1 (01:42:20):
So make sure you're subscribed on your favorite podcasting app.
And uh also please pack an umbrella because you just
never know when the hard rain might show. Well, so, uh,
until next time, we will see you.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
Next drowning, drowning, hard raining?

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
Next, do you want a partying rain? Pun? Next showering.
I'm gonna We're done here, all right, I'm leaving

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