JAWS: The Revenge (1987) – Shark, Sequel, and Summer Horror Gone Wild! - Do You Even Movie? Exploring Obscure Gems and Cult Classics

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It has attacked her family.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
It picked up Sean, It killed your father.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
And haunted her dreams.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
When it killed Sean, I knew where absolute certainty it
had come for help.

Speaker 4 (00:10):
Now there is one last battle to be fought where
it started. Born Loreene Gary and Michael Jane yours the revenge.
This time It's personal rated PG thirteen starts Friday at
theaters everywhere.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
In a world where podcasts reigned Supreme Two Friends Dare
to Ask.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Do You Even?

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Movie hosted by filmmaker Enrique Kuto and movie of ficionado
David Denyer.

Speaker 5 (00:59):
Spoiler alert, that's one of my favorite lines in UH
and John Leguizamo's Freak is One man show. He's talking
about how his dad would like throw a little bit
of it was it was his grandma would throw like liquor,

(01:20):
like a little bit of liquor on them and be like, ah,
it burns. He's like, that's because you're wicked. And then
later his dad's shaving and he throws the after shave
in their eyes, like ah, He's like, that's because you're wicked.
Oh my god, that's funny, man. That's that's a great show.
Great performance.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Was No that was his last one because he did
like four for HBO, right, he did.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
He did Spicarama, which was actually kind of an HBO
like pilot for him doing a sketch comedy show, and
because it was like really sketch heavy, heavy in character heavy. Yeah,
he was like doing all kinds of different characters. And
then and then he did Sexaholics Anonymous, Yeah, and then
he did Freak. Okay, so he did those three. Freak

(02:01):
was directed by Spike Lee.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
I think I remember that. Yeah, I knew that. I
guess would say, I do know some things. Do you occasionally?

Speaker 5 (02:13):
Mhm, catch me later on that one.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
I'll catch outside? How about that?

Speaker 2 (02:18):
So?

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Oh god, so.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
I have been It has been quite the last few
weeks for me.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, I would say.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
So.

Speaker 5 (02:26):
I had a long filming session, very long. Ended up.
We ended up going about an hour ten over because
we just there was no other choice.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, did you guys go ten to ten? Originally was
the we.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
Went ten to about Actually we didn't go quite that long.
We went to ten to about eleven fifteen.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
I said he went ten to midnight.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
No, thank god we didn't, because I was like about
to die. I had tweaked my back for the second
time in my whole life, like like tweaked my back
where it hurt for days. Shit, And ironically, the first
time was when I was filming a ton of stuff
and it hurt a ton.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Didn't you? You injured yourself backwise on a production that
I was on. This babysitter too, is a babysitter. Okay,
it was when we were shooting the key the key
characters in that, Like it was longer than that, but
I guess it was a while ago. And no, that
that was really bad.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
But I was able to take pain medicine, which I
can't take pain medicine during the day now without skipping
the other medicine that I need. And I'd much rather
have that, although I might feel different after how Sunday went.
So I was powering through the back pain, and I've
never like powering. I know, you have bad back, so

(03:35):
you throw out your back every now and then, and
I'm not used to that kind of pain. I've always
had a pretty strong back. Yeah, I do believe it's
from the you get taught through cruelty and orchestra to
sit up straight.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
I could see that, and I've heard friends say the
same thing.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
Actually, well, they don't just yell at you to sit
up straight. They also like teach you habits to help
you sit up straight. Because I remember when we first
doing this, started doing this podcast, and I would keep
telling you to stop slouching. And then I realized that literally,
anytime I sit anywhere, like right now, my back is
perfectly straight. It's just I sit up straight. I just do.
I mean, I'll you know, it's different if you're on

(04:10):
a recliner or on a couch or something. But I mean,
like if I sit down in a chair, set up straight. Yeah,
you know, there's just there's just that's all there was
to it. But so I was powering through it, like
to the point where I was feeling it. Like I
would go up the stairs and it would be I
would be in so much pain. I was like feeling
at my fingertips and like seeing spots. I don't recommend it,

(04:31):
but not. But it's it's almost over because now I'm
in the post production thing and this is one of
the few breaks I get from it is to record
the show. And but because of that, there's a reason
I'm bringing this up. And it's not just a bitch,
It's I have been trying to find ways to unwind
because I've been on this intense post production and pre

(04:52):
production schedule. Yeah where I mean, my days are twelve
to fourteen hours. It's just average right now, So I
need something to un so I started watching I've always
had a soft spot for the nineties thrillers and weird
just weird stuff from the nineties. Yes, and I will,
But unlike you, I was watching a lot of them, yeah,

(05:14):
as they were airing, which is the crazy thing.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
I had to find them via secondhand VHS's or back
in the day when YouTube like was like Newish. I
remember I found some on there too, well.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
Surprised because a lot of these aren't available anywhere. Yeah,
but I started watching Old Joe Bob's Drive in episodes,
which featured some of the weirdest late night cable movies
I could ever find. And I've been what. I have
a giant list of them, and what I've been doing
is picking them based solely on title in year, nothing else,

(05:46):
nothing else. Some of them I recognize, but most I
do not, So I started writing down the ones I
watch because I'm watching like four a week or five
a week, depending, So I didn't I was like, I
won't be able to bring these to you, but I
made no other notes. There you go, because I don't
believe in it, because I'm not some letterbox cock. You

(06:09):
know what it is, letterbox cook. I remember that's my
nexte y.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
It's not original. I've heard that before.

Speaker 5 (06:16):
Well I haven't, so I'm a changing.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Well that's fair.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
So since I started writing these down, I've watched Liar's Edge,
which features David Keith, and it's a thriller about a
guy who a kid who's like sixteen seventeen years old,
who basically they show him trying to escape a mental
hospital and almost killing himself. Yeah, and then he ends

(06:40):
up going home to his mom played by Shannon Tweedt,
who takes her clothes off. Never very surprising for a
nineties film. It was from Oh, I didn't write down
the year on this one. I think it was ninety
three or ninety two. But it turns out that the boyfriend,
the stepdad, is some kind of a criminal. And then
it turns out a woman's been murdered and nobody believes
the son because he's a mental patient. Formerly it was

(07:03):
pretty fun. It takes place in the Canadian side of
Oh Gosh of Niagara Falls. So Madam Tussaude's wax museum
is in it.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
That's awesome.

Speaker 5 (07:14):
Then the next night I watched Animal Instinct Instinct with
Shannon Worry. For those who don't know who Shannon Worry is,
she was the queen of erotic thrillers for a very
long time. And this one. It was a thriller about
a husband and wife who discovered that like, their favorite
thing is him filming her having interludes yea with people,

(07:36):
So she becomes basically a prostitute, but for him to
film her in secret, like I mean, she knows and
he knows, but the people that come in don't know yea.
But it gets you know, crazy. David Carodine is in it,
and nobody dies in it. It was very weird, and of
all the ones I've watched so far, this one had
the longest love scenes, like it was very drawn out,

(07:58):
very much more on the erotic side than the thriller side.
And not all these erotic thrillers the just they tend
to be. Then I watched a movie I'd never heard
of at all that I really enjoyed, called Dark Tide
from nineteen ninety four and had I can't believe how
much I'm remembering about them. I literally So what I
do is the reason these are relaxing is I sit down.

(08:21):
It's usually about midnight or one in the morning. Yeah,
I put these on and once I choose it and
hit play, it's not allowed to be skipped dumped, like
there's no trash. You watch it all the way through,
like all you have is this channel, Yeah to watch,
and you know, I'll pause it to go to the bathroom,
and I usually have a cigar and I watch whatever
is coming my way. Dark Tide with Chris Sarandon. It's

(08:44):
about a guy who's living in a well. It's the
main character is his girlfriend in it, and she has
come to be with her or his wife. They newlyweds. Yeah,
and they're living on this island community where he's making
crazy money by milking sea snakes and selling their venom
for a ton of money. Interesting, and on the island
everything's really cheap, so they get like five grand per

(09:07):
per ounce of sea snake venoms. They're making stupid money.
But she encounters, oh gosh, one of the locals. It's
gonna drive me crazy. The actor who I, in my opinion,
became forever known for Big Bad Wolf. I can't remember
that guy's name, something Murphy. Maybe I can't believe you
don't know that guy.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
I know I know Big Bad Wolf, but I can't
see the name.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
You're very hurtful. It's a very hurtful thing you've done.
Richard Tyson.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yep, I wouldn't. I would not have got that.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
You don't know Richard Tyson.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
I bet I do. I just probably don't know the name.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Well.

Speaker 5 (09:39):
I mean, he's the star of Big Bad Wolf. He
plays the dad.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Oh that guy. Sorry, I know him from kindergarten cop.
My apologies.

Speaker 5 (09:46):
I thought you liked movies, but I was mistaken. As usual,
go to hell. But he ends up becoming obsessed with
her and they try to like kill them, kill the husband.
They do all this crazy stuff. But the third act
goes from like this island kind of mystery thriller to

(10:07):
just full blown straw dogs. These island guys, all run
by Richard Tyson, want to break into their mansion and
kill the husband and probably kill the woman too. But
he's in love with her. But it's some psycho thing.
There are a lot of weird flourishes in it. At
one point, he takes her to the Caves of the Snake,
which is like the island religious place, and introduced her

(10:29):
to his aunt, and his aunt's like blind and looks
like she's straight out of Evil Dead Two. Really weird movie,
really fun, And when it ended, I just went, God, damn,
how I not heard of that one? And of these
Liar's Edge and Dark Tide, I couldn't. I don't think
I could rent them anywhere. It's like they were not
available at all. Animal Instinct was Then the next night
I watched what was probably the most Oh and by

(10:52):
the way, when I was watching Dark Tide, I'm almost
certain I saw it on cable when I was younger,
because I didn't remember big parts of it, but the
whole part where they were setting everything up in getting
snake venom and talking about it came, I really remembered it.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
So then I watched Night Rhythms from nineteen ninety two.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
That's a title.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
You can rent this one, it's out there. But this
is like the quintessential erotic thriller. There's a radio host
who he does a talk show where he just like
gets women all hot and bothered, and.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
I think I've seen a little either I've seen bits
and pieces of it or I've actually seen it.

Speaker 5 (11:26):
You would remember if you'd seen it.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Carrodane's in this right. Yeah, He's in a lot of those, Okay.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
So basically it's the perfect example of an erotic thriller
of that era, because there's this guy who's like kind
of attractive and basically like his shoelace, comes uptide, trips
and falls into having sex with two women at the
same time. Like every scene, it's like, I have to
figure out who killed this woman that I was sleeping
with when I went unconscious and woke up and she
was dead. So then he like goes, He's like, I

(11:52):
have to find this person. He finds the witness, it's
a beautiful woman. They sleep together. Then he goes to
the next place. It's two beautiful memen. They sleep together.
It's NonStop. It has a pretty good but obvious twist
at the end, but it was very much that era.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
I love the director's name, Gregory Dark.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
He did a ton of them. He did Animal Instincts
as well. And then See No Evil.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah, I was gonna say that's and also some breaking
Benjamin videos is how I know him too well.

Speaker 5 (12:18):
So then last night I watched one that I would
say was probably the biggest surprise. Okay, it was called
Prey of the Chameleon. Pray like p r e y
Pray of the Chameleon. This woman escapes from a mental
hospital and she basically murders someone and takes their identity.

(12:38):
But it turns out that what she does is she
meets someone, makes them her next victim, and then believes
she is them for a period of time. That's cool,
but the way that she keeps that going is when
she switches identities, she dresses the person that she just
killed up as the person she was pretending to be,

(12:59):
and bit and dumps their body.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Doesn't angelies do that? A couple points, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
That's more disguises. You're like a version of split personality.
That's like really really nuts. So she's going across the
country doing this, like dumping bodies and just totally transforming herself.
Meets this guy who we met early on, who is
from the small town in Texas. He went away, left
his girlfriend. She was all mad. He comes back home.
Now she's the chief or the sheriff of the deputy sheriff,

(13:28):
and she ends up trying to be the only person
who believes he's not going on this crime spree because
he doesn't know that this woman's a psycho. And then
she steals his identity briefly, it goes really crazy. It's
really fun. I don't think that one's available anywhere, Okay.
And it starred an actress that you would that has
been in a ton of stuff And now I'm trying

(13:49):
to remember. Her name was Daphney Zunga.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Oh, the chick from She's in Spaceball, She's in the.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
Initiation, Zuniga Yea. She plays the psycho the chameleons. Sh
She's really really good. It's it's a good one. And
one thing I've learned because I grew up watching Monster Vision,
not Joe Bob's driving. Joe Bob opens and he'll tell
you if it's a bad movie, he'll tell you, like
there were a couple I watched. None of these that
I when I started listening, But he was like, this

(14:18):
is just a bad film. You literally say, like, if
you have something else to be doing, do it, you know,
why not go do a load of laundry? Come back
at the end, like you could say stuff like that
that sounds like something'd say, but but when it was good,
he would say, like, this is a really good one.
You'll you'll like it. And usually when he says that,
I'm always shocked by how good it is. Yeah, these,
and especially because most of these are like severely unknown.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
That's awesome. Oh yeah, she's indormed. That your blood. She's
I think, like the first body. I think so because
she's the one that gets put into the incinerator. If
I'm not mistaken or she's machines murdered. I can't remember
whish Yeah.

Speaker 5 (14:53):
I thought it'd be fun. I started writing them down
so I wouldn't. I'm surprised how much I remember about them,
although I'm not.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
At the same time, I also dove into a Ron
thriller because I've been doing those skin Max DVDs that
I got on my birthday from MBD put out a
bunch of them, so there's like twenty titles. But the
one I watched was Snapdragon from nineteen ninety two, Pam
Anderson's film debut. Wow, one thing I want to say,
So that's ANOPS on IMDb says two men have already

(15:17):
been killed during intercourse by a prostitute. The young Sergeant
Peckham is transferred from vice to homicide squad for the investigation. Basically,
the story is that there's somebody that's slitting guy's throats
and they're usually with this last call girl like before
their death. Okay, and well, the opening of this film
could not believe this. First five minutes of this film,
we see a girl who's supposed to be young Pam

(15:38):
Anderson in a tent sleeping with her parents. These people
break in, kill her parents right in front of her,
kidnap her, sell her into Chinese sex slavery. She is
then being shown getting tattooed by a woman who says
you're going to be the best ever. And then it
goes into this celebration parade and over the credits with Snapdragon.
Anything memorable in it though, So movie's fine, Like it's okay,

(16:02):
it's not bad. I've seen a lot worse. I've seen
a lot better. My favorite thing is Stephen Bauer is
one of the actors in this He is a scarface
to Tony Montana's main partner in Scarface, and he plays
the main detective. At the very beginning, his girlfriend's Chelsea
Field in the movie and they're in bed and she
gives him a hickey and he goes, oh my god,
he gave me a hickey. Now I'm gonna have to
wear sweaters the whole week. From that moment on, anytime

(16:25):
he's in this movie, he is rocking a new sweater.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
I bet you there was a reason he committed to
the bit, That's all I'm saying. I'm saying, or like
they shot most of it when it was cold or something. Yeah, though,
but it was I was like, I took note of that,
and I was just like, oh my god, he's in
a different sweater every time you see him, basically after
Guy's got style.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
So sweater game's strong.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
But I'm so I've been. It's been a very amusing thing,
and it's been shockingly it's been a really like it's
been really fun to wholly dedicate, even when the movies
are bad. And I watched a couple of dogs and
even like Animal Instinct, it got kind of boring. Although
Shannon Worry is an incredible actress and she's and she's

(17:09):
like she was built for these movies. She's literally got
girl next door face and an insanely like full blown
Penthouse pet body, I mean like nineties like just ridiculous body,
you know, tiny body, big, big waist, big breast, like
completely like built for this. And apparently she was in
like fifty of these was she was very very well

(17:30):
cast over and over. And there are two more Animal
Instinct movies, of course there are. I also watched one
I honorable mention called Hollywood Dreams, which was a comedy
about guys making a sleazy movie, a sleezy like a
raunchy comedy, and everybody's just banging each other the whole
way through it. But it had a really cute ending.
And I think that was directed by Greg greed Tark

(17:51):
two actually, but I wouldn't be shocked, but that one
was really cute. I thought that was really fun because
it ends with the lead actress of the movie, who
wasn't very good, I mean in the actual movie wasn't
very good and in the movie in the movie she
wasn't very good, running away with the assistant director guy
and they decide they're going to go back to Boise,
where she's from, and her brother works at a radio station,

(18:13):
and this guy's dream is to be a DJ. She's like,
who knows what we could make happen if we go
after our own dreams instead of making everybody else's dreams
come true. And I was like, that's a sweet ending.
It is. So.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
The other one I watched was Bare Exposure, which was
basically about a guy that was in deep with some
loan sharks and he was friends with all these females
and they were trying to get a new roommate because
the roommate females. The roommate comes home and she's catches
the other roommate having sex and she's like, you're always
having sex. I'm moving out, and like that was basically
what happened. But the rest of the movie was them

(18:43):
trying to put on a wet T shirt show like
contest show to earn the money to get him away
from the loan sharks, of course, and then they did.
It was a happy ending.

Speaker 5 (18:54):
These these are fascinating, so but yeah, it was. It was.
It's been nice to just sit down and have to
watch it. I put my phone away. Yeah, I occasionally
I get tempted to just for a second see like
who the director is and stuff, because I love to
know that stuff. But overall have just been watching these
like movies that are either painfully dumb or shockingly good, Like,

(19:15):
I can see why they were successful.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
On Joe Bob hosting them. He starts it and he
ends it. You're watching the whole movie straight way through.
There's no him interrupting right now.

Speaker 5 (19:23):
No, No, He's like, and I'll be back afterward, and
sometimes he doesn't come back afterward. So, but then the
other thing I want to mention was when he showed
Prey of the Chameleon his outro, he actually said, like,
and that was the the cable premiere of it. So
it was actually the first time I ever aired at
like eleven o'clock at night. Yeah, on the movie channel.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
You said he'd showed like one hundred and sixty episodes
of that or.

Speaker 5 (19:43):
What it was probably more, Okay, he would he would
sometimes host three in a night, Yeah, starting at like
I think he started at like ten pm, so.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
There'd be a lot of them.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
Yeah, So I'm I'm gonna dig more and I'll I'm
sure everybody's riveted to know about these movies that nobody
cares about, but I care about them.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, I got eighteen more to go, and I'm watching
them in the order they were released. So I have
to jump around a lot.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
I bet. Yeah, I'm mostly leaning towards anything nineties. Yeah,
and there's also I mean I have there's action movies.
There's all kinds of stuff, and like Dark Tide, I
had no idea what I was what I was walking into,
and it's kind of it's it's pretty much an erotic thriller.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
But say the next one is illicit Behavior? Is my
next one? Oh yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (20:24):
Well Tweet was like the queen of those and I
always forgot her sister is in these we do because
I forget her her sister's name, but she's in in
Night Rhythms Tracy Tracy Tweed Twyty Tracy Twacy Tweet Twetwacy Tweed,
But she was in Night Rhythms because when I saw her,
I was like, why did she look so familiar? And
I looked I was like Tweed and I looked up.
They have like because they did like a photo spread together. Yeah,

(20:46):
so oh yeah, but uh, anyway, so stupid stupid movies
that I that I love. There's something There's nothing I
like more than something that's forgotten or meant to be forgotten. Yeah,
when things are because it's like when you look at
Roger Korman's career, like Little Shop of Horrors. Everybody remembers

(21:07):
the Little Shop of Horrors. Everybody's fond of it. They
didn't even bother renewing the copyright on it because they
were like, well, it's done. It played for like two
months at the drive ins and then it played you know,
over here and over there. That's it. Yeah, and everyone
you know recalls it. Like So, I'm fascinated by these,
especially when they're just not available anywhere. And most of them,

(21:27):
i mean, nowadays, most of them are.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Somewhere somewhat available.

Speaker 5 (21:30):
Yeah, but then you'll find one where it'll be like, oh,
it's just there's just a VHS. Oh that's it.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Well, I mean following fred Fred Olinray on Facebook, I
mean he's been posting a lot of his movies that
I've been going after since reading his book, and yeah,
a lot of those are just not available.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
They're they're hard to get, and he hasn't. I mean,
the later the late nineties was really crazy and he
was making so many films and I'm dying to read
that part of his book because he's doing one that
focuses more on the nineties in the two thousand.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
I can't wait.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
So but with that all being said, we're doing summer films. Yes,
Life's a beach, Life's a beach month. And I because
you chose that theme, I think you are to blame
for the heat wave.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
I mean that's fair.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
I think that's only fair.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
That's fair freaking what is it ninety four degrees outside
right now?

Speaker 5 (22:14):
I don't know about right now, but it was ninety
four degrees was the high today?

Speaker 1 (22:17):
It was ninety seven when I was driving here.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
According to my car, cars are always hotter though, because
they're in the middle of the sun. And so, but like, yeah,
it's been. It's been. To immortalize the words of my
great aunt Betty, it's hotter than two foxes fucking in
a forest fire out there.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, that's a good way to put that.

Speaker 5 (22:34):
So yeah, so and it is. It's real hot. That's
one thing I am happy about is even with all
the pain. When I was filming, we filmed the whole
day in an air conditioned mansion. Yeah, very well air
conditioned mansion. That's why I knew the pain was what
was making me sweat, because I was like, it was
actually kind of chilly, because.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Calamity Jane was the hottest we shot in, right, because
that was the one I remember where we were very
very careful prolonged.

Speaker 5 (22:55):
Yeah, because the other Western Jesse, James Unchained, was also
really really hot.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (23:00):
And uh, but no with Jane, I mean we we
had cold packs, cold we had cold uh their rags
basically to put on your neck, and tons of water.
And but of course the people on the cowboy costumes,
they can't use that stuff. They just got to figure
it out in theory. But but no, So it's yeah,
it's definitely, it's definitely feeling summer now. It is indeed,

(23:22):
as we're melting. Yes, I'm excited for this heat wave
to end.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Me to so me too.

Speaker 5 (23:29):
Well, your apartment gets pretty warm, right.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Gets pretty warm. And from what I looked at, we're
basically going from extreme heat to extreme wetness because it's
going to be raining for like four days straight for
what they're calling right now.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
Well, we had two weeks of basically rain almost every day.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
And now the grass is probably going to like die
a lot, because I hope with all of this and
then the rain, so I hope.

Speaker 5 (23:52):
So, I mean I mowed the lawn last Thursday because
it was finally dry enough and it was a jungle.
I mean, I was really hard to mow it all.
So I'm hoping the grass isn't growing very much because
right now it's very dry. And they were saying it
might rain today at one point, and now they're saying
it might rain tomorrow. I'm thinking it might not rain
till like the start of next week.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
I know the heat advisory is supposed to be up
tomorrow at eight, so at least we're going to go
down to like eighty six. I think is like the high.

Speaker 5 (24:20):
Oh you hope, you wish, you wish, But.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
I mean we could cool off and talk about a great,
great sequel that you and I have an affinity for.

Speaker 5 (24:30):
I mean I wouldn't say affinity. I would say love affair.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Love affair.

Speaker 5 (24:34):
I I love. Oh. I decided to check the weather
right now. It says feels like one hundred degrees.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yeah, I can see that.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
No.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
I freaking love this film. Yeah, and I believe it
is the one true great Jaws film.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
I think we did both agree before we went on
here that it is better than Jaws three.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
I just revisited Jaws.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Three and three d and not in three D, but
I revisited it.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
They're not the I'm not going below the nineties till Saturday. Yeah,
and then we'll be back to ninety on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Well, let's cool off then and talk about Jaws the
Revenge from nineteen eighty.

Speaker 5 (25:09):
Seven, probably my most notorious hot take. Yeah, because I
sincerely I have nothing against Jaws, but I do not
find the original Jaws movie as memorable as Jaws The Revenge.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Be wrong.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
Jaws the Revenge is so unmitigatedly entertaining it is. There
is something to enjoy in every frame of that wackad movie.
And after rewatching three which I think we'd all agree
is not a great film on its own.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Lacks It lacks any big major points that would push
it to memorable likeness except for the ending.

Speaker 5 (25:49):
After watching it, I felt like it comes off kind
of cynical. It's just kind of like, here's a Jaws movie.
It takes place at a SeaWorld. Yeah, and that could
be a lot cooler. And they had a great cast,
to be Lea Tanis.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Had a great cast, but like, also, a lot of
the kills are off screen, if not all of them,
and there aren't a lot of them. No, No, there's
like four or five. I want to say, because like
the one I really want is the two guys that
are going after the coral. I think that would be
a cool.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
So the Russian guys who are stealing stuff.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Yeah, I would think that'd be a cool scene. But
we just see the boat get basically deflated and then
the guys come down there to go down. They don't
come back up.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
Yeah, And I mean there's stuff to like in Jaws three.
I think a lot of the weird, like the underwater
buildings and stuff are kind of cheesy because like they're
not really a thing.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
They're not great. Yeah. I would also say that you
and I are probably split on Jaws two because you
revisited a while back and you weren't the biggest fan
of it.

Speaker 5 (26:39):
You thought it was fine, that's fun. It's a fun
follow up to Jaws.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
I think it's a lot of fun.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
But I mean, and I think Jaws is good. I
think I think that Jaws is a pretty standard a
pretty standard thriller, elevated by the performances in the directing. Yeah,
but I think that the script itself is relatively standard. Yeah,
and that's not a dig. No, I mean that's celebrating
the fact that I mean, like Quint's speech is amazing,

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it's amazing. I mean, there's tons of wonderful things about Jaws,
but a lot of them really do come down to
those actors and Spielberg.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Oh yeah, one hundred percent. And also the fact that,
I mean everybody knows by now that like the Shark
was the biggest complication with that movie because they had
to shoot around the fact it wouldn't work half the time,
if not, I would say probably three fourths of the time,
because they only really got it working towards the end.
Because that's why it's a lot different than what it
was originally supposed to be, with how we saw the Shark.

Speaker 5 (27:33):
Having to lean into suspense, which helped it a ton immensely,
And that's kind of that's kind of my point is
that's why Jaws the Revenge is so great.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
There's shark work.

Speaker 5 (27:44):
God damn it, it did, it did indeed, But no,
there's just there's everything about Jaws the Revenge is so
far out. Yeah, so such a strange situation.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
It's an odd story. Also, I mean, given you know,
they completely ignore the three entirely so we basically go
from Jaws one Jaws two to Jaws the Revenge in
the story element, but it's such an odd story that
they chose to go with this fourth one, and the
novel is even more whacked. Well, it's the novelization, yes, yeah,
I believe. I can't remember if it came first or

(28:17):
if it Yeah, it.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
Didn't come first, I don't know. But no, but because
the back then novelizations were made on the first accepted screen. Yeah,
so all of the stuff they cut out of Jaws
the Revenge is still in the novel.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah. I just finished the Batman nineteen eighty nine novelization,
and there was a whole uh you remember the scene
when he a joker, goes to Vicky's apartment and harasses her,
shoots Bruce, and then leaves. Originally in the novel, he
kidnaps her. Batman gets on a horseback and chases him
to the center of the square where they're getting set
up for the two hunterd festival. He takes the mayor hostage,

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and I can't remember how he gets the feed, but
he gets defeated and they'd run off.

Speaker 5 (28:54):
Well, okay, okay, then.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
It was interesting that novelization was interesting.

Speaker 5 (29:00):
Sounds like it. Yeah, I mean, I mean, you know,
it's a ridiculous movie too. Oh yeah, that's that's pretty
far out.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Craigshaw Gardner was the writer, and he also wrote the
Lost Boys novelization, along with like several other big novelizations
like Back of the Future and the One thing I'll
say about having read some of his now, he's very
big on the action sequences of the film itself. As
far as description, there's not much, because I mean, that's
what I love about novelizations, is that extra detail and whatnot.
There was only like three added scenes in the novelization

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for the Batman book.

Speaker 5 (29:28):
M because I mean, usually a movie isn't as dense
as most novels would be, so well, you have to
use every piece of material, yeah, and then also add
a little bit more, yeah, add a lot more detail.
One of my favorite novelizations I ever read was the
original Reanimator novelization.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Which just became available again like two years ago, yeah,
two three years.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
But it had like so much more about doctor West
and where he was before he got to Miskatonic, Yeah,
and stuff like that. Another novelization I really enjoyed was
thirteenth Part six. Obviously there was a lot going on
in that novelization that wasn't in the film.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Halloween three has an amazing novelization.

Speaker 5 (30:07):
I'd be very curious about that. I mean, and I
don't doubt that it has one, because that was the
era of novelizations were always happening.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Well, I've read, so, I've read the first three Halloweens,
and the first one alone opens with soloin happening and
like a description of all that that Loomis would say
in part two. But then the novelization for part two
also has a explanation for why the hospital is so barren,
and also has the death of the reporter that was
cut out of the movie.

Speaker 5 (30:30):
Hmm. Yeah, okay, So with that all being said, speaking
of great works of art, indeed, I know that a
lot of people have a lot of opinions about Jaws
the Revenge, just some, and they're wrong because Jaws the
Revenge is non stop entertainment value. Yeah, because every choice,

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the weirder they are, the more amusing they are. And
for a film that should be this cynical to have
like Michael Caine in it, to have like to have
Mario van peebles in it. To have all these great
actors who are clearly game like they're trying, like when
we were just rewatching it, like Michael Kaine's romance scenes,
he's going all in on them.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
You know, he's trying.

Speaker 5 (31:16):
To to be legitimate because he's one of the greatest
actors you know, to ever live. It is a hell of.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
A thing, it really, it really is.

Speaker 5 (31:24):
So if you think Jaws the Revenge sucks, I beg
of you to reconsider how you watch movies, how you
view it, well, how you view anything, because Jaws the
Revenge is such a mess. But I don't believe it's
a mess from lack of care. It's a mess from
a combination of bizarre choices, yes, and studio intervention a

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lot combined with said bizarre choices, and a lot of
the bizarre choices being removed. That's another thing, because like
the voodoo subplot is gone gone, You heard me, right.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
But I'll talk all about the novel. Don't worry.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
There are little elements of the voodoo subplot throughout all
of Jaws the Revenge. Oh yeah, so they make some
things just make almost.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
No sense sense.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
Yeah, but that also makes the movie even weirder. Yeah,
like this weird telepathic connection between the shark and the victims.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Not only that, not only the telepathy, but also they
really hone in on nightmares in this movie more than
any other Jaws film. Yeah, and some of those primarily
for the scares.

Speaker 5 (32:31):
Definitely well, and like the way some of the effects
and stuff are done so messily makes me think that
there was a version of this movie that was done
with care. Could be that the studio is like, uh,
there's not enough bite. Yeah, if you will, and I
will and you did. So that's one of the things
that also fascinates me about the movie is they'll be like,

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on one hand, it's like, oh, it's a quick cash grab,
but also we spent out the ass for Michael Kane.
They spent out the ass for oh, what's the actress's name,
Long Gary, Lorraine Gary, who was in the first Jaws movie.
I think she was in two Seconds. She's the wife
of Roychider's character in it. So like they spent out
the butt for that stuff.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:10):
Also they said it in the Bahamas, which one of
the big differences between modern shark movies and Jaws is
modern shark movies are almost always in the tropics. Yeah,
they're in much prettier places than I'm sorry, New York
and New Jersey. However you want to look at it.
So in a way, it's kind of a precursor to

(33:31):
all these shark movies that were gonna come along in
the nineties, the late nineties, especially in the early two thousands. Yeah,
that were almost always set in island community.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
And it's funny because I remember somebody saying, like, man,
shark movies, you know, they must be really you know
this or that, that's why so many people are making them.
And I was like, it's also really easy to sell them,
like and we'll all go to Hawaii for two weeks.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Yeah, I mean, that's a pretty easy cell at that point,
it is. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:55):
So but yeah, so Dave, you want to you want
to introduce people to our film dejore.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
All right, so we dedicate this this episode to our
buddy Patrick. Of course, let's go ahead and just get
that out of the way. Patrick, This one's for you, Homie.
One hour and thirty minutes, rated, PG. Thirteen for shark attacks,
language and brief sensuality.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
Nothing is more sensual than metalworking.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Metal working I'm synopsis says Chief Brody's widow believes that
her family is deliberately being targeted by another shark in
search of revenge.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
I mean that's as correct as anything. I suppose my synopsis.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
When her son is killed by a shark in amity,
Ellen Brody travels to the Bahamas, unaware that a shark
has followed them in search of vengeance.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
That's a better one. I give you that one, a
y I'll tell them.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Taglines this episode include this time it's personal, which the
big one.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
Became a meme before there were memes. Yeah, the idea.
This time it's personal. Yep, it's a shark.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
I love that. Oh it's great. On Friday, June seventeenth,
Man's deepest fear will rise again.

Speaker 5 (35:05):
I like that deepest fear.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
And then Man's deepest fear has risen again.

Speaker 5 (35:11):
Okay, those are basically the same path.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Jaws of Revenge currently available as we record this to
stream on Peacock. You can also rent it via Prime
in van Dango as well. Peacock does have all four
Jaws films at this time, so if you are looking
to binge them, that is the place to go.

Speaker 5 (35:25):
And we just very recently celebrated the first Jaws's fiftifieth anniversary.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yes we did. Director on the film is Joseph Sargent.
He gets his start actually as an actor in nineteen
fifty one with her first Romance. Goes on to be
in I Am the Law From Here to Eternity. I
Led Three Lives, Doctor Hudson's Secret Journal, The Lone Ranger,
State Trooper, Pied Piper of Hamlin, Gray Ghost, Navy log
Sheriff of co Cheese, Tales of Wells Fargo, The Detective Torbach,

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Carolyn Ivory Hunters. It's not until nineteen fifty nine, though,
that he does his first directing on Street Fighter Street
Fighter not the Sunny chiev onety nine early so. Then
he goes on to shoot Lassie in sixty four, also
shoots an episode of Bonanza Kentucky Jones Mister Novak Gun
Smoke the Wackiest Ship in the Army in nineteen sixty five.
Then he goes on to shoot One Spy Too Many

(36:14):
episodes of The Fugitive Girl from Uncle, episodes of Star Trek,
episodes of the Man from Uncle, FBI Spy in the
Green Hat Hell with Heroes. It takes a Thief in
nineteen seventy The Tribe, Longstreet, Man on a String, Buckin
the Preacher, The Man, The Man Who Died Twice. Then
in nineteen seventy three he shoots what is probably one
of the best known exploitation films, White Lightning. Really he

(36:39):
is the director of White Lightning. Okay, now we're cooking,
so then he goes on to shoot Sunshine in seventy three,
Taking of Pelham one two three in nineteen seventy four,
goes on to shoot Hustling, The Knight That Panicked America,
MacArthur Amber Waves, Playing for Time, Coast to Coast Freedom.
Then in nineteen eighty three he shoots an anthology film
entitled Nightmares The Bishop of Battle with Emeliu Estevez. He

(37:03):
directed that goddamn Okay, goes on to shoot Memorial Day
in eighty three, Choices of the Heart Space, Passionflower, There
Must Be a Pony in eighty six, of Pure Blood
in eighty six, then in eighty seven Jaws The Revenge.
He then basically goes on to work for TV that
moment on for a CBS Summer Playhouse Day one Caroline
Ivory Hunters Never Forget Somebody's Daughter, Skylark, My Antonio Streets, Laredo,

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The Wall, Crime and Punishment, A lesson before dying, Bojangles, Salem,
Witch Trials in two thousand and two, the TV movie
Okay Ye, then he goes on to do Warm Springs,
Sybil and Sweet Nothing in My Ear.

Speaker 5 (37:38):
Wow. Yeah, so he worked a lot.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
He definitely you know, he definitely had I mean, White
Lightning is a movie that I grew up on. My
dad loves Burt Reynolds, so White Lightning, the Longest Yard.
I grew up with those movies. So the fact that
he did that and did put that together, until I
was watching this, I was like, holy shit.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
I mean it sounds like they hired a you know,
they brought in a guy had a ton of experience,
but by bringing in a guy who had done a
lot of TV, they wanted somebody who was disciplined. Yeah,
because that's the big thing on TV. You keep your schedule,
you keep your budget. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
We did, unfortunately, lose him back in twenty fourteen, December
twenty second, he passed from chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. It
does not give his age unfortunately. Really yeah, wow, I
could put it together. Oh eighty nine. There we go.

Speaker 5 (38:22):
Oh wow, yeah, okay, yeah, he was eighty nine wheny passed.
I mean that's you know, if there's any argument for
there being a god, it's like God was, like, you
gave us Jaws of the Revenge? Can you can stick
around as long as we can stand.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
One of the writers on the film is Peter Eventule.
He gets a character credit, of course, but he gets
to start writing the novel of Jaws in nineteen seventy five,
where he also does the screenplay, does the novel and
screenplay for The Deep in seventy seven, character credit for
Jaws two and seventy eight The Island in nineteen eighty.
I was gonna ask you about this. Have you ever
seen The Island with Michael Caine and David Warner.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
That's not the body farming one, right, No, this is the.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
One where Michael Kane and his son are on an
expedition on the sea and they end up coming across
modern pirates ran by David Warner. No, and David Warner
kind of Captain Hook's the kid, trying to make him
his apprentice and whatnot in turn him against his father.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
That sounds pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
It's a pretty sweet movie. I haven't seen it in
a bit. I would love to revisit it. But yeah,
does that in nineteen eighty does the novel and screenplay
for that, gets character credit for Jaws three D and
eighty three, Jaws The Revenge in eighty seven gets character credit.
Then he goes on to write Dolphin Cove the Beast
in nineteen ninety six, Creature in ninety eight, which is
a movie I remember because my mom showed me the
TV Guide ad for it, which was like a Jaws

(39:30):
creature with like the arm coming through the porthole of
a ship. Pretty badass. Okay, So he does that ninety eight,
Then he does Amazon, which he's the creator of, in
ninety nine, and then we unfortunately lost him back in
two thousand and six, February eleventh, at sixty five from
an idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis.

Speaker 5 (39:45):
Jeez.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Yeah, but benually, I do want to say something in
regards to you. Watch the Sharks Flotation documentary that shuttered
it right, Yeah, so you saw all this stuff about
how Peter Benchley writing Jaws made him a huge activist
for the ocean and sharks and everything. Very cool guy,
and it would not have been done had he not
written that novel and then actually realized how sharks are
completely different from what he actually put on the page's

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and screen.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
So he was like, Oppenheimer, cool, and we'll stick with
that Wright. Oppenheimer was like, we gotta regulate atomic power,
we gotta regulate atomic weapons. I am become death, Destroyer
of worlds our.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Other writer on the film is Michael de Guzben. He
gets his start as a writer in seventy five on
Rock and Magic Fun Show. Then he goes on to
do a Stranger's story of a mother and daughter in
seventy nine, Active Love in nineteen eighty, Thornwall, Winter of
Our Discontent As Summers Die, Amazing Stories in eighty six,
We Are the Children in eighty seven. Then he also
writes to Jaws The Revenge, followed by Red Earth, White Earth,

(40:46):
Carolyn Babe, Ruth to My Daughter with Love, Redwood Curtain,
Hidden in America, Angel of Pennsylvania, Avenue, Lost, Treasure of
Dos Santos, and King and Queen of Moonlight Bay in
two thousand and three.

Speaker 5 (40:58):
So he worked on amazing stories. That means he worked
in some way, Yeah, with Spielberg.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Silberg yeah, and mcgarrison a bunch of other people.

Speaker 5 (41:07):
Well, but Spielberg, that was Jaws. But I'm just saying, like,
because you mentioned the director directed something with Michael Kin
and David Warner. Yeah, and so Michael Kaine that might
have helped bring Michael Kine on board.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Or no, Peter Benchley he wrote he wrote a novel.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
Sorry, sorry, that's oh well, then never mind.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Our cinematographer on the film is Josh McPherson. He gets
to start as a DP in seventy seven on The
Incredible Hulk, goes on to shoot for Kojak Bride of
The Incredible Hulk, The Archer, Dark Room, the series from
eighty one Okay, yeah, yeah, then goes on Tod You Senior,
Trip eleanor Firs eleanor First Lady of the World, Voyagers,
Voyager from the Unknown, Saint Elsewhere, Powers of Matthew Starr

(41:47):
V in eighty three ah V. Then goes on to
do Trauma Center, Legman A Reason to Live. Then in
nineteen eighty five he shoots Just One of the.

Speaker 5 (41:56):
Guys, finally a real motion picture.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Then goes on to shoot Hot Pursuit, Shadow Chasers, Acceptable
Risk Shoots, Episodes of Amazing Stories in eighty six, then
goes on to shoot Jaws The Revenge in eighty seven.
Then same year shoots Batteries Not Included, Oh No Shit,
follows that up in nineteen eighty eight with Short Circuit two.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
Ah, Los Lobos kick your ass, Los Lobos kick your face,
Los Lobos kick your balls into out air space.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Also after that directs Fletch Lives another sequel okay, then
then goes on to shoot Baywatch, Panic at Malibu, pir
The Littlest Victims, Yabba Dabadoo Celebration, Alien Nation both the
pilot and the film really.

Speaker 5 (42:37):
Mm hmm, okay, I Love Alien Nation.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Bingo in nineteen ninety one. Also in this time he's
also directed episodes of The Incredible Hulk Dark Room Alien
Nation Strays in nineteen ninety one, the TV movie. Then
goes on to shoot Dirty Work, not that one, Fade
to Black, not that one, Swamp Thing series in nineteen ninety,
What What, the Untouchable series in ninety four, Okay, Incident

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at Deception Ridge in ninety four, The Watcher in ninety five,
Extreme Strange Luck, episodes of Jag, episodes of Sliders, Babylon five,
Nash Bridges, Beverly Hills, nine oh two, one oh and
even seven days in two thousand and one. We unfortunately
lost him back in two thousand and seven, December twenty first,
at age sixty five. No cause of death given.

Speaker 5 (43:17):
Wow man, talk about a career in TV just catapulting.
So interesting. So the DP and one of the writers
worked on amazing stories although a lot of people did
work on amazing stories yet, but it makes me wonder
if that was somehow an element to getting them in
Jaws four. It could have been, not one hundred percent sure,
It's just interesting to me because I wonder has Spielberg

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said anything about the Jaws sequels that he wasn't involved.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
With or not any not that I can recall, because
I just watched literally all the making ups. I mean
he's only the first one obviously, and they brought up
the sequels at the tail end, and he just said,
like he said something along the lines of I'm aware
of them. I've never seen them.

Speaker 5 (43:54):
Damn never seen them. Spielberg.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Out of our cast, we have Lorraine Gary, who plays
Ellen Brody in the film. She gets her start in
nineteen sixty seven on Dragnet goes on to be in
Name of the Game in sixty nine, The Bold Ones,
The Protectors in sixty nine, The Bold Ones, the New
Doctors in sixty nine as well. McLeod the Virginian, the City,
Excuse me, the City, O'Hara us Treasury, McMillan and wife
her Ramsey Night Gallery in seventy two, Marcus Nelson murders

(44:23):
in seventy three, which is where Spielberg ses are to
put cast her in Jaws by the way, really m
Okay Partners in Crime in seventy three, Wide World of
Mystery in seventy three, the FBI in seventy three, Ironside
Kojack Pray for the Wildcats, Marcus Welby, MD, then the
Rookies in seventy two, Jaws in seventy five, then goes
on also being car Wash in seventy six. I never

(44:43):
promised you a rose Guard in seventy seven, Jaws two
and seventy eight, zero to sixty and seventy eight, Crash
in seventy eight, Just You, Me and the Kid in
seventy nine, Jaws, The Revenge in eighty seven.

Speaker 5 (44:55):
She came out of quasi retirement. Yes, that is correct.
Did you do anything after DAWs The Revenge.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
No.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Oh, so that was straight up was it?

Speaker 5 (45:01):
Because a lot of times we've seen with a few,
especially female actors, we've seen them come out of retirement
and then have an entire second career as like in
their in their older age. Yeah, we've seen a few
people who like did had just as long a career
after a Yeah, while Pyper Laurie Yeah, yeah, and was

(45:23):
like in I think easily as much stuff as she
was in before. Yeah, I mean Carrie launched her at
that point obviously, and then I mean it was not
even a decade later she was in Twin Peaks.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Wow. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, for those who don't know, Loring,
Gary also married to Sid Sheinberg, who was the MCA
president at Universal. So that's why she came out of
retirement for that one specifically.

Speaker 5 (45:44):
Well, I mean I'm guessing, I mean she probably got
Do we know how much they paid her?

Speaker 1 (45:48):
I don't it. Maybe it may be in my notes,
but I don't think it is. Moving down to our cast,
we also have Lance Guest, who plays Michael Brodie in
the film. He gets to start as an actor in
seventy eight on Dallas, goes on to be and Why
Us in eighty one, Please Don't Hit Me Mom in
eighty one, as well Halloween two and eighty one, Cassie
and Company in eighty two, I Ought to Be a Prince,

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Lou Grant, Saint Elsewhere, Confessions of a Married Man, The Roommate,
then The Last Starfighter of Course in eighty four, The
Star of which I only saw not that long ago,
for last year for Me on the big screen, and
it is good. That's a really great film, so much fun.
Just the Way you Are in eighty four, ABC After
School Specials, Walking to Walking to Act in eighty five, Jaws,
The Revenge in eighty seven, then goes on to be

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in the Wizard of Loneliness, Favorite Sun Knots, Landing, The
Wonder Years, Liz goes on Heart to Heart, Returns All
American Girl, episodes of The X File in ninety five,
Party of Five, The Burning Zone, Plan b Becker, Thanks
Stepsister from Planet Weird in two thousand, Mock two in
two thousand, episodes of jag NYPD Blue House, shadow Box, Jericho, Flubird, Horror,

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Least of These, and Wake Up Late Show with Letterman.
He appears on Night of the Wolf. Late phases in
twenty four He's the Sun no shit, all right, yeah, yeah,
Traces in twenty twenty one, The Patient in twenty twenty two,
which is the Steve crelscho.

Speaker 5 (47:11):
Right, yes, yeah, oh that's such a great.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
And alter Perceptions in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 5 (47:16):
Oh man, no, the Patient is that's seriously one to watch.

Speaker 6 (47:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
We also have Mario van Peebles in the cast, who
plays Jake. One hundred and eleven credits on this man's resume,
by the way, which I'm sure you're not surprised by.
What was it, one hundred and eleven credits on Mario
van Peebles.

Speaker 5 (47:31):
Wow, I actually thought might be more. You'll have the
more well I think he got he was able to
get more picky, yeah, which is good.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Oh. Absolutely so. He gets his start in seventy one
with a sweet Sweat, Sweet Sweetbacks, badass song of course.

Speaker 5 (47:43):
Sweet sweet Backs, badass song.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Cross Current in seventy one, the sophisticated Jents in eighty
one one Life to Live in eighty three, film debut
for his later career in Exterminator two in eighty.

Speaker 5 (47:54):
Four, That's where Your Career Really launches.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Goes on to be in another one of my favorites.
The Cotton Club in eighty four, Delivery Boys eighty five,
Rapping in eighty five, Children of the Night, South Bronx Heroes,
The Cosby Show three fifteen, Moment of Truth, Last Resort,
La Law, Heartbreak Ridge in eighty six, Facts of Life
down Under in eighty seven. Same year he does Jaws
The Revenge, then goes on to be in The Child Saver,
Identity Crisis twenty one, Jump Street, Blue Bayou, New Jack

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City in ninety one, which he also directs, Yes, Stomping
at Savoy in the Line of Duty Street War, which
those in the Line of Duty movies are so much fun,
and that one was one of the best. Yeah Yeah,
Street Wars fantastic, goes on to do in Living Color
in ninety three, Posse in ninety three, which he also directs, Gunmen,
Full Eclipse, high Lander, Final Dimension, Panther Solo, Riot, Gang

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in Blue, Strangers, The Outer Limits, Crazy Six Killers in
the House, Judgment Day in ninety nine, The One with
Iced Tea.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
I love Judgment Day.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
It's a good movie. Marshall Law in ninety eight, The
Hebrew Hammer in two thousand and three. I Love The
Hebrew Hammer. That thing played Comedy Central Incess.

Speaker 5 (48:58):
It was an original. Yeah, that's why.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yeah, Badass, the making of a Sweet Sweet Sweetbacks Badass song.

Speaker 5 (49:04):
It's kind of the story of his father. Yeah, and
he plays his father. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
It's a great film. Soul Food two thousand and four,
Carlito's Way, Rise to Power, Hard Luck, Lawn Order, All
My Children, Damages, the Game, Hellcats, We The Party, which
he also directs, Red Sky, Drumline of New Beats. Yes,
there's a drum Line sequel, Okay. Then he goes on
to do Bloodline, Deception, Z Nation, A Clear Shot, Empire,
Salt and Peppa Wu Tang in American Saga, which he

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also directs, Black Cake in twenty twenty three, and Outlaw
Posse in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 5 (49:34):
I am embarrassed to say I didn't know he was
so active. Still, Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Directing that I didn't mention includes Gang in Blue, hard Luck.
He directed episode of Sons of Anarchy, episode of Damages,
episode of Lawn Order, episode of Lost, episodes of Boss,
episodes of NCIS, Once Upon a Time, The Last Ship Roots.
He also directed the USS Indianapolis Men of Courage, the
Nick Cage movie that's a Mario van People's directed film.

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Do watch that one? You did?

Speaker 5 (50:01):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Because it was hit Netflix?

Speaker 5 (50:03):
Oh no, I've liked it.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
It was pretty good. Episodes of Empire, episodes of Power,
Sultan Pepper, The Sultan Pepper, the VH one or I
think it was a VH one original movie. I think
CSI Vegas and that Wu Tang. So he's been out now.

Speaker 5 (50:16):
I know why his credits as an actor dropped because
he became a prolific television director.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Oh yeah, good for him. Oh hell yeah.

Speaker 5 (50:23):
R Evan People's Badass.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Posse from nineteen ninety three, the western he did with
Billy Zay. Fantastic movie that does not get enough credit.

Speaker 5 (50:30):
I'm pretty sure I have Joe Bob hosting that on
down my list.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
I know Andrew really loves that movie too. So what
was your first time watching Jaws The Revenge?

Speaker 5 (50:41):
Well, David, I was so young that I can't pinpoint
an exact moment, but I can tell you that I
watched it many, many times because I taped it off
of HBO. And this says a lot about me. I
had to have been five six years old because it
scared me. The opening sequence, we're gonna be talking about

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here in a minute where the shark bites the guy's
arm off. Yeah, scared me so bad and gave me
so many nightmares as a kid that I used to
when I would want to watch Jaws, which is you
know five, I was like, I'm gonna watch Jaws. When
I used to watch it, I would fast forward past
that and I would start after that.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Was over, because it was scary traumatizing as a kid. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (51:25):
Absolutely, and it's still a pretty effective scene except for
the weird mishmash of edits they did for the attack
where the shark comes up, because I I, this is
based on nothing, but I believe that likely the original
version was just like a quick shot of the shark
and then like splashing water and then him going and

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realizing his arm was gone, which would have been scary,
even more scary. Yeah, but then they just like Hodgepodge
in all these sharks. Yeah, and some of them it's
clearly daytime footage. They've turned yea turned blue. But that
scene stuck out with me forever, and I've always had
a fear of the water, so I really liked as

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a kid the sequences once they end up on the
boat for like that last act, you know, where they're
all trying to figureut how to kill the shark. Yeah,
and it gets, you know, spoiler, progressively stupider as you go.
But no. So I saw it insanely young and watched
it many many times, and then revisited it as a teenager,
realizing like, oh, hey, I you know now the DVD

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is really proliferated. I'm going to watch Jaws and then
Jaws two, and then Jaws three and then Jaws The Revenge. Yeah,
and I'd be like, whoa, Jaws the Revenge. But then
it was It was years later when I was watching
it at my buddy's beach house on Long Beach Island,
New Jersey. He was like, dude, you want to watch Jaws.
And I was like, I want to watch Jaws the
Revenge and he lit up. He's like, I have a

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copy of the pack, the multi pack.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:50):
We were watching Jaws the Revenge. And that was the
first time that I insisted on dissecting all.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Of the weird things, because you could at that point. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (53:00):
So I was pausing it and going like whoa, whoa,
and my buddy, who was with my buddy, Josh, and
Josh was a film guy. Yeah, so I would stop
and be like, dude, because he would joke about like,
these edits are so bad, and I was like, let's
see just how bad these edits are.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (53:16):
And that's the birth of the event screenings of Jaws
the Revenge that happened in my home impromptu backyard. Well,
we did the backyard, but the first time I did
that was in my living room.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
That was because so originally we went to go see
Conjuring two and Conjuring two was sold out, and that
was the day that Amazon had graciously delivered my Jaws
blue rays of two, three, and four. So we came
back here because Conjuring two was sold out and we
put on Jaws the Revenge.

Speaker 5 (53:39):
I remember because I was like, have you have you
framed by frame? And I like to think I've given
an entire generation of people slightly more of an appreciation
for how nuts Jaws the Revenge.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
I think, And that so Jaws the Revenge is ninety minutes.
As I said at the beginning of the show, I
think that particular watching of Jaws the Revenge at your
house when we frame by framed it made it into
a two and a half hour event easily.

Speaker 5 (54:03):
It also established things like singing The Revenge to the
to the tune of Noel of the first Noel and stuff.
I love Jaws the Revenge. It's very much like some
people feel about like like Rocky Horror. Yeah, I think
that there's so much to love about how weird Jaws
the Revenge is, and every weird choice is worth dissecting.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
So the first time for me watching it, it was
I was a young kid. I'm not sure how how
young I was, but it was late at night. I
think I was the only one left up in the
house and it was TNT and I was watching whatever
was ending on there have no idea, and it went
into Jaws the Revenge, and I'd never seen I had
seen all of one, had seen bits and pieces of two,
had never seen three, and had knew about the Revenge,

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but I had never seen it. So it started, and yeah,
that scene of the of the Sun getting his arm
bit off and then getting his head basically a bit
off with everything was just so fucking traumatic that I
stopped and went to bed, like I was just like, Nope,
this is too intense. But so then several years later
caught it on TV again, watched it. Always had that

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understanding of it was the lesser of the Jaw sequels,
so really didn't pay much attention to it. But when
Amazon had announced that two, three, and four were coming out,
while I have to get the entire collection, how can
I not, Well, yeah, so of course got them, and
then yeah, you and I watched Jaws Revenge. I was
never a big fan of Jaws of Revenge because I
always felt like there was not much shark in it.
And what's hilarious is I think honestly it probably has

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the most screen time next to two.

Speaker 5 (55:34):
Yeah, there's a lot of shark. Actually there's a lot
of shark. There's a lot of shark.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
But it was the screening in your Backyard in particular,
where I was just like, oh, this is actually a
pretty fun movie.

Speaker 5 (55:43):
There's so much going on. It has. Like I said,
the best part about the film is the choices. The
choices are so strange, they're just it's just offbeat enough.
Oh yeah, and Michael Caine really kind of throws a
weird kind of monkey wrench in it by being Michael Kine. Yea,
he's not phoning it in. He's doing his best because

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he's Michael Kaine. You know, he's he always does his best.
I think, I mean maybe maybe I don't. I don't
think he's ever phoned it in.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:10):
I could be wrong on that though, but it kind.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Of shocked me he wasn't the the what the top
tier of the casting because when I when I did
my notes, I was just like, Wow, Michael Kaine's not
in the top three.

Speaker 5 (56:19):
I could tell you why that is. Wouldn't let them,
Oh that makes sense, that's a big that's a major
negotiation point.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:25):
So the whole thing would be like, oh, if I'm
going to do it for this amount of money, then
you can't credit me like I have to be when
and the few films I've done where we worked with
celebrity cameos where they were only a day, that was
one of the first things was like, you cannot top
bill me, like, you're not allowed because I'm only in
it for a day. And and fair enough, I mean

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I get it. They don't want they don't want their
name to become cheap because oh, you know your top
building then you're in four scenes. Yeah, so I get it,
I get it. But yeah, so I guarantee that was
a part of it was that he couldn't be credited
in the top two, or he just plane wanted even
more money because I'm I don't remember how much they
paid him, but it was a lot two million, It

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might have been that much.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
It's two or three million, I want to say. I
feel like so opening with Jaws of Revenge, obviously we
have to start like any other Jaws movie. We are
under the sea, and we have we have the theme playing.
We're going through the town of Amity, Amity, Amyville, Wow
of Amity and seeing that there it's nighttime, there's a
bunch of boats around, and we immediately go up to

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basically the eye of a dead fish as we are
in the kitchen of the brodies.

Speaker 5 (57:34):
According to some reports one point five million, some just
one million, but that was.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
For two weeks Jesus two weeks work. I know he
wanted to go to Hawaii because that's in my notes.
So that's like he read haw that the first page
said opening Hawaii, and like the notes in the script did.
So that was like, oh, yeah, I'll take.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
It, which is pretty good till yeah, still too.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
But yeah, so we are in the kitchen of the
Brody's We see that Sean, the son, the youngest son
from the movie, is now a deputy at the Amityville
police station. He is cooking fish. We see Ellen Brody
is talking to Michael about his job in the Bahamas
because he is now working with Sea Life as well.
And then we cut over to Christmas time and amity.

Speaker 5 (58:14):
It's actually kind of cute, you know. There's a little
bit of snow on the ground. It's supposed to be
upstate New York, so they have white the winters. There's
Christmas lights up.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Everywhere, children are singing.

Speaker 5 (58:25):
And unfortunately that doesn't last very long.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Does not bode well for Sean because he stops in
the police station before going home, and Polly tells him
that there's a call in that there is a hunk
of wood that is on a booie that is keeping
it blocked, that they need it removed before the fishing
boats get back in the morning. So he decides to
go on out and get it unblocked, and he pulls
up to the buoye. We see everything's calm, We're hearing
kids sing the first snow el.

Speaker 5 (58:48):
The revenge Revenge, and he goes over to the buoye.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
He goes to remove the piece of wood. We cut
to POV of something approaching the boat, and suddenly a
lot of cuts in edits later his arm is missing.

Speaker 5 (59:02):
Yes, and it's still even with those cuts. I mean,
he falls back and just kind of looks around and
then he realizes like there's no arm there.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
And my memory, for some reason thought you saw bone.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
See. My memory was that I was almost certainly rewatching
it as a kid on an EP VHS. Yeah, and
for those who were too young, EP meant you could
fit like six hours or something ridiculous. Yeah, it was
like six hours on a two hour tape. Yeah, but
the quality was very low, and I remember it being

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dark and him just kind of falling back into being
all dark and murky, and then him revealing like by
moving his hand over his arm should be Yeah, because
on the blu ray it's you kind of see that
he's clearly hiding his arms. Yeah. But in but on VHS,
I was just like ah ah, because the idea that
you would you would something would happen really sudden, and
then you'd fall back and then realize you have no arm.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
And I always felt like it was pretty violent for
a Jaws movie of what we'd seen so far, because yeah,
we'd seen a they're usually in the water. For him
to actually fall back and have something missing that usually
didn't happen, Yeah, I mean that was a pretty big
jump from previous Joss films.

Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
Yeah, and it's a good way to catch the audience's attention.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Yeah. So he starts panicking, of course, calling out, screaming,
and we see the POV of the shark again approaching
the boat as he is leaning against the side of it,
more edits more jumpy camera. There's one shot in particular
that they use throughout this movie, which is a shot
of the shark opening its mouth and you just see
the teeth out wide, and that is the shot they
keep using over and over.

Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
Oh yeah, and they use shots from the first film.
They do all kinds of reuse, recycle.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
That they do. So Sean ends up in the water.
When we cut back, we see that the boat's completely
been bit off of the side. It's starting to sink. Actually,
Sean's screaming for help. We're hearing the first Noel or
Silent Night from the kids on the shore, and then
suddenly it gets pulled under along with the.

Speaker 5 (01:00:49):
Boat and then it's quiet quick it was also really scary.
Is then it's silent other than hearing the kids singing
off in the distance.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Yeah. So we cut over to the funeral. We see
that Michael and his wife and her his daughter are
in town with them. We also see some regulars from
Jaws return. Missus Kittner returns, and so does the one
woman who's are you going to close the beaches?

Speaker 5 (01:01:12):
There's a lot of easter eggs. Yeah, and that takes
effort and care, Yeah, to try to make a proper
sequel to the first one. That's kind of what I
feel like they were actually going for, yeah, was that
after three had done what three did, they were like, Okay,
we need to bring back people from the film. We
need to go back to amity briefly. And which is

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why it's extra funny that the movie turn out the
way it did, because it's it's like there's so much
there's so much attitude of like who cares, just get
it done, like whatever. And then also, but it's a
sequel to Jaws, we should do this and this and
this to try and make it all work.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
I think the best reveal of all is right here
where we find out that they're going that she's going
to go back with them to the Bahamas and everything.
But they show this piece of wood on the beach
that was what was on the buoy. It's a piece
of the Orca.

Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
Yeah, that's a hell of a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
That is a I mean, that's a fucking Easter egg now.

Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
Yeah. And the fact that the mother, you know, is
dealing with the fact, like I lost a husband to
was didn't she say? It was like he didn't die,
he didn't water.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
He didn't die of he didn't die of a heart attack,
he died of fear of it coming back.

Speaker 5 (01:02:16):
Yeah, he was just he lived his life in terror. Yeah,
and that gave him early great Yeah, and I can't
imagine he was very fun to live with during that period. No,
but I mean this sad story.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
We see Roy Schreider in a shot in this movie
as he's a picture in the police station, which is
one of the promo shots and Jaws that I love,
of course, of course, but I've always loved that little
touch that we see that that's a piece of the Orca,
that that is literally starting the events of this movie.

Speaker 5 (01:02:41):
Yeah, So it's like it all comes back yeah, it
comes back around.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
So yeah, she flies out with with Michael and his
family and that's when we meet Hogy, which is Michael
Kine for the first time.

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
The name Michael Caine. Hogy is just great, Yeah, it really,
Hogy is such a hilarious nickname and but for a
British man, very funny.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Pretty great. So yeah, Michael's convinced her to come out
with the family and everything. So they're flying out, they're
flying into the Bahamas, and the first shot we get
is them approaching the house in a limo with the
limo drivers seeing Chris's music mind you, of course.

Speaker 5 (01:03:15):
Because it's festive, because it's festive time of year.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
And immediately Ellen arrives at the house in is freaked
out because there's a rope swing that hangs over this
pier where the little girl is swinging, and she just
wants no one near the water. Even back at the house,
she has said, you know, I want you to quit
your job, get away from the water. I don't want
any of my family near the water. And that's what
the whole thing of your father being afraid is what
killed him.

Speaker 5 (01:03:36):
Yeah, and it's hilarious because with all the events of
the Jaws film first two films. Yeah, both sons worked
with the water.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:03:45):
Of course, one works where it all happened. The other
works on the other side of the world in a
totally different type of ocean, doing research on conk shells. Yeah,
and everyone, not the shells, but the conks themselves. He's
an aquatic researcher, yeah, which is of course he is.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
And for those who don't remember, Michael is the one
who's in the pond in the original Jaws film. Michael's
in the pond. That's that's when he encounters the shark.
In Jaws one, he is. Also they're both tormented by
the shark again in Jaws two, and Michael gets concussed
in Jaws two and Sean is left with everybody on
the island in Jaws two. So these kids have not
had an easy life with water, well or sharks.

Speaker 5 (01:04:19):
In their defense, it's been like twenty years years, so
it has been a long time and no SeaWorld, and
most people, you know, they just they just forget childhood trauma.
It doesn't really stick around stick around now.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
No, No, that is shocking that Michael did seek out
a job for ocean work.

Speaker 5 (01:04:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it is. You know, it's
a totally different place though, I mean working in the
Bahamas than warm water. Yeah, totally different. I assume I've
never been in warm ocean water.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
I haven't either. I mean I've been the Florida.

Speaker 5 (01:04:52):
I think that's close. I think it's warmer than I
mean the furthest south i've been in the ocean is Jersey.
That's fair and it's cold.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Yeah, yeah, I've heard that.

Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
Yeah. The first time I went to the ocean was
was I think it was New Hampshire was right nearby.
It was way up in New England. That water was
freezing cold in the summer.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
I can imagine.

Speaker 5 (01:05:08):
But honestly, it's very nice when it's hot. But yeah,
cold water.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
So, uh, there's not I'm gonna go ahead and say,
and we've and we've discussed this off, Mike, there's not
a lot that per se happens in this movie, so
we may throw some events around and rush through this
pretty quick.

Speaker 5 (01:05:23):
Except everything happened. Everything happens in this movie because you've
got you've got a killer shark, you've got family dynamics,
you've got generational trauma, you've got a new love blossoming
in the Shadow of Death, David Dave.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
I mean fair Michael works with with Mario Van People's
character Jake. They are studying snails at the bottom of
the ocean, con shells specifically, and his wife is a
metal worker that is doing this big sculpture for Bahama's U.

Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
She's a metal artist, metal artist. She's she's not building
peers and stuff out of steel. She's she's creating things
out of metal. Yeah, And I want to make sure
we don't pass over the fact that Marvan peebles and
this has been cast as a Jamaica as a Jamaican,
So he's got his dreadlocks and he's doing his whole
mom thing. He's doing his accent and he is chewing
that scenery. Yes, it looked like he was having some fun.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Oh yeah. I think a lot of people are just
having fun in this movie, because how can you not.

Speaker 5 (01:06:19):
I mean, they literally all get to hang out in
the Bahamas. Yeah, they get to hang on the Bamas.
Do you notice how tan Michael is, like he is really.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
Tan, Like yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
So some events that happen, we have Lorrangarry has a
nightmare that she's swimming in the water and the shark
attacks her another some quick edits and some whatnot. She
wakes up in the bed and THEA is like, you know, Grandma,
are you okay? And we also see that we talked
about the voodoo element that's cut out of this movie.
She is on the beach playing with THEA at one
point they're making a sand castle and she just looks

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out into the water and just gets a vibe of something. Yes,
And right as they do this, they cut to the
best fucking shot of the shark, in my opinion, throughout
the entire movie. It swims through the this huge, huge
shark with its mouth open the entire time.

Speaker 5 (01:07:03):
Well they do, they do, just catch whatever they catch
and they'll eat it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
They do. But I mean it's pretty great.

Speaker 5 (01:07:08):
No, no, it's and the shark. How the shark looks
underwater varies from really good yeah, to quite silly, quite silly.
But but the main reason it's silly is because the
shark is not real, so when it passes the camera,
it's just a big puppet.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Yeah. So Michael is back to work on his first
day and they're not fighting any con shells. Him and
Jake actually get into it for a little bit and
he has to, like, they have to both take a
second because like Michael is just like, you know what
the fuck man, And Jake takes a second. He's like,
I'm sorry about your brother, man.

Speaker 5 (01:07:37):
Yeah, because yeah, when they're starting to find a way,
it's like you left me all alone to do all this.
It's like, dude, his brother suddenly dies horrifically.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
And we get the take two that they're really tight
with the family. They actually live pretty close to each
other as well.

Speaker 5 (01:07:48):
Oh yeah, they're clearly best friend.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
Jake and his wife are over at the house. They're talking,
you know, to his mom about stories of them and
as kids and even the little girl. Thea is just like,
was uncle Sean ever bad? Did you ever have to
spank him? And that breaks Lorraine Gary's character down several
times in this movie.

Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
Yeah, out of the mouths of babes. Yeah, thanks kid.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
So this leads up to the introduction of the shark
being in the in the film and at the Bahamas
Is Jake is down there in the submarine doing the
conch study, and all of a sudden, the shark just
appears right.

Speaker 5 (01:08:21):
By him and it's not really a submarine because they're
in they're in scuba gear. Yeah, it's more of just
a transportation transportation of ice. It's like it doesn't keep
air in or anything. The water fills it up and
you just go around and you're already in the scuba.
I don't know there's a word for it, but I
can't think of it. But yeah, it's like a little
car for underwater. He's literally just we see a shot
of the conch shells. We cut back and there's Jake

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and there's the shark just next to just this giant,
great white shark head. And honestly, the fact that there's
no like music scare right there is actually really scary.
It's just because underwater there's no sound. You know, everything
is the same kind of underwater sound, you know. So
the idea that that it could just come right up

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to you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Yeah, terrifying, terrifying. Well, and then it also like so
it bumps him a little bit and then just swims
past him, and he's like, you know, Jake, you know,
why are you quiet? Why are you quiet? Then the
shark leaps up, bites onto their boat, gnaws on it
for a bit, and this shark's again, it's huge.

Speaker 5 (01:09:16):
It's gigantic, gigantic, just.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Gnawn on this boat, and Michael is immediately just like whoa.

Speaker 5 (01:09:22):
But of course instead of being mortified, they're fascinated. Yeah,
because they're aquatic experts. They're they're marine biologists. That's the
word I was trying to think of. They're marine biologists. Yeah,
so they know that, like, while it's not impossible, it's
pretty much unheard of for a great white shark to
be in the warm Caribbean waters. Correct, this is completely

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not out of the ordinary, not expected at all, which
means that there must be a really interesting scientific explanation. Yes,
and because nobody thought maybe it's just voodoo, because that
shark would have swam I think it was like seven
thousand miles.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
There is I'll talk about what we'll gets in the notes,
but there is a whole section in the book about
it coming in contact with a sperm whale, which basically
dictates where it's at in the water of crossing over.

Speaker 5 (01:10:08):
Apparently that makes sense, I mean, and sharks can travel
an immense distance, yeah, get it seemed to get there
pretty quick though, from New England. Yeah, well, well not
from New England. Remember this was this was New York.
So that saves us like four hundred miles, like six
thousands a little bit. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's assuming
that he swam and didn't, like, you know, take the

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the Amtrak.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Well what shark Speedia tract, you know what route he
would have taken at that point, sark Spedia. You're welcome.

Speaker 5 (01:10:36):
That's all right, that's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
So while this is all going on to HOGI is
trying to calm Ellen down, like make her have fun
on the island, have her explore, but also have her
let go of like the fear and just like the
trauma that is held on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:10:50):
They want her to get away from the town where
she lost so much. Yeah, which, honestly, I think it's
a it's a wild that they stayed in that town.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
It really is for so long.

Speaker 5 (01:11:00):
And I know that there have been many jokes made
about like if you're afraid of a shark, you know
where you don't want to be near the water, near
the ocean, Like how about Idaho? Yeah, you know so well.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
And you get the sense that the family itself doesn't
really talk about much because there's that whole scene in
the beginning right before they leave to go to the
Bahamas that Michael and his wife are walking on the
beach and she asked him something about Sean and he
just like starts running and she's like, where are you going?
He's interested nowhere?

Speaker 5 (01:11:22):
Yeah, No, it's definitely avoidance has been a big thing,
and if you think about it, Michael would be the
avoiding child.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
He's the one who did move really far away. Oh yeah,
really really far away. Yeah, so Hogi is trying to
persuade her to let go. There's several scenes where they're
at a festival dancing. There's a huge New Year's Eve
scene where because Jake wants to study the shark, he
basically has Michael tell him do not see a word
about this to my mind?

Speaker 5 (01:11:46):
Yeah, well, because Jake is flat out like the concho
will always be there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:11:50):
This could be something that could bring us an insane
amount of grant money. It could get us a ton
of attention, it could make us famous, it could set
our careers up for life. Because this is an animal
that people already don't understand very well, and now we
have it in a place in the world where it's
never supposed to be.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
So let's tag it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:07):
Let's tag it and find out where it came from,
where it's going, and why it's here.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
So they set up this whole scene where he has
this transponder that he is going to attach to the
shark via like basically stabbing it in the side. Yeah.
And so he's got Michael holding him back on the ropes.
They're waiting for the shark to come about. They've gone
through the water, they've chummed the water as well, and
then finally the shark pops up, Jake gets it and
nabs it aside, and now they have a trackable shark.

Speaker 5 (01:12:29):
Yeah, and they and they basically the transponder broadcasts it's heartbeat. Yes,
that's how it works, so they know when it's coming
because their machines will start to get the yep.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
So now this also allows them to be safer again
when they're studying the conches and the rare times that
they do as well. So they think, well, that's that's fair.

Speaker 5 (01:12:50):
And I believe this was around the time that Van
Peebles makes the Jaws.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Sound yes, but so yeah, go ahead, no.

Speaker 5 (01:12:57):
No, So this has been a popular thing to pick
on Jaws the revenge about which I love. And now
as I'm rewatching him like man memory changes things. The
critique was always that when Van Peebles is talking to
him on the radio when he's doing in the water
and they know the shark is nearby early on that
he's going dud dudu, and people like, what is he

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referencing because Jaws doesn't exist in this universe?

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
This is Shaws.

Speaker 5 (01:13:23):
But then I watch I watched it tonight and realized
he isn't going dud now unless they changed it after
the fact, which I don't think they did.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
I don't think they did.

Speaker 5 (01:13:33):
But he's not. He's actually just kind of it's more
of a generic like suspense done done, done done, and
that's not I mean John Williams.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
John Williams is John Williams score.

Speaker 5 (01:13:44):
Well, he's a genius scorewriter, but he didn't invent going
done done, yeah, done done. He did not, so I'll
give it to you. Though it's still funny the idea
of like doing a movie scary thing, but he isn't
straight up doing John Williams score. Although right after that
that we do get the first real big dirt.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Because as Michael is going through looking at the conscious,
he doesn't see from the side that the shark comes
in and starts biting at the sub immediately.

Speaker 5 (01:14:09):
Oh yeah, it wants to eat that that's submersible and
wants to get itself some.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
More brody, wants some brody. So Michael decides that he
is going to ditch the or the submarine boat, whatever
you want to call it, the device, and he sees
a sunken ship nearby that he swims into. And this
is probably my favorite scene of the movie.

Speaker 5 (01:14:26):
It's it's the most lengthy underwater photography. Yeah, and it's
really it's really solid. Yeah, you could tell they spent
money on this.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Oh absolutely. I mean this scene in particular has a
really good chase to it because he goes inside this
sunken ship and the shark, of course, is too big
to go in where he goes in the first time,
so the shark has to swim around, So he's swimming
through the ship. We see up above where the opening
is that the shark is going over and then suddenly
is down into the ship. Quickly.

Speaker 5 (01:14:51):
The shark is fast.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
The shark is very fast, fast, damn fast. So he
is swimming through this sunken ship. The shark is gaining
on him. At one point he makes it to this
to this porthole door and opens it and gets out
right as the shark comes through, and he gets up
to the second tier of the ship and the shark
bursts through the fucking wall.

Speaker 5 (01:15:09):
Yeah. So the shark fast able to leap quite a
ways out of the water.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:15:16):
Yeah, this shark has got a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Going for And I will say that the wall burst
especially is a great shot of the shark, because there's
several times during this chase it does not look great.

Speaker 5 (01:15:24):
But there were a few moments, especially when it's attacking
like the side of a boat. Oh yeah, it looks
pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
It looks pretty good. So he escapes the situation by
using his tank to burst and shoot to the top
of the surface. They get him on the boat and
he is safe for now or now. So by this
point they've had this celebration. There's a New Year's thing
that we talked about where they've had everything going up
all the way to this festival that she has been
crafting for this metal piece for so it's the ceremony.

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And also through the movie, we get the idea that
their marriage might be having some issues.

Speaker 5 (01:15:57):
It's more I get the sense that it's not that
their marriage is having any kind of unusual issues. It's
that Michael has become between losing his brother and seeing
the shark and dealing with his mother's grief, he's just
not himself. Yeah, because she Honestly, one of the best
bits of writing in this film maybe is is their relationship,

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because she is very sweet and playful and overall supportive.
And one thing I remember every time I watch this
movie is like they go to great lengths to make
it very clear that Michael and his wife love each other.
Oh yeah, like they are in love. Yeah, they can't
keep their hands off each other in nearly any scene.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Well, and there's the whole scene where Michael catches HOGI
and his mom returning from the day out at the
first time, and she's like, come to bed, Like I
can make you forget about that.

Speaker 5 (01:16:48):
She literally, while he's looking out the window, she puts
her hands under the covers and then takes out a
pair of panties that she was wearing and flicks them
at him and they hit him in the chest. And
I was like, that's good writing, though, that's like fun
and funny, and you can see why he's a very
serious person. You can see how they would end up together.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Well, and then there's the the quote unquote fight scene
where they're in the garage and she's supposed to be
working on the project, and then they end up having
sex in the woodshed.

Speaker 5 (01:17:11):
Which is which is it's a metal shop, metal shop.
Excuse me, but honestly, that's one of my favorite like
bizarre choices is there's this metal shop yeah scene, Well, I.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Do like the shot. So the shot is focusing on
her our metal work that she's doing, which does look
a little bit like a shark jaw. So they do
have this really cool shot whereas they're going down on
each other. Yeah, they pan into the window and you
see like a shot of like the jaws around the water,
which is a pretty cool thing.

Speaker 5 (01:17:36):
No, there's there's a lot of good shit in this movie.
There is, but also we don't want to over, you know,
skip over too much. Michael Kaine's character and his relationship
developing with the mother. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, because they
are having this kind of reluctant, burgeoning romance. Yeah, because
she's on this island and happens to on the way

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there get flown by HOGI meeting like the perfectly age
appropriate attractive man who apparently has.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
No job, no job that we know of well, and.

Speaker 5 (01:18:08):
I love that he was supposed to be a drug runner.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
Yes he is.

Speaker 5 (01:18:11):
And there's a part where he later on when he's flying.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Michael.

Speaker 5 (01:18:17):
When he's flying them, they say like, you know, what
do you what do you fly on this place? As
I deliver a laundry and he just gives this smile
like ah, And I love that that. It's just kind
of an undertone, is that like this, this rich white
guy who flies planes on the island is doing illegal stuff,
is to make a living. But he and her love
affair is really adorable. It is. No, it really is

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and super uncommon, especially for that era, that a woman,
like a much older woman is having a love affair
with a man of the same age. And that's kind
of a major point of the film, is that she's
trying to move on and Hog he's trying to help her,
and I I've always found that to be a really
interesting choice. Again, there's so many odd choices.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
You develop Hogy's character more because of the fact that
Michael is inquiring about him to Jake and that scene
where they're trying to tag the shark and everything right,
and you know he's even like, you know what, when
when did he arrive here? I don't know, man, he
just showed up one day. Well what do you know
about him? And I love that that Jake just flips
up his sunglasses and he's like, he's going after my mom.

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:19:17):
Yeah, no, it's so good. It's so good. No. And
and so I just want to make sure we didn't
skip over that because that's one of the best done elements.
They have great chemistry, both of them are great actors. Yeah,
and you believe it. This this this thing, and it's
also the kind of the thing that keeps her from
being just this NonStop crazy wreck.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Well, and that also leads us up to the scene
that they copy from one where Michael's at the table
with thea and they start mimicking the things that Brody
and Sean did in the original movie with like you know,
the hands under the chin.

Speaker 5 (01:19:47):
Faces miming each other.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Yeah, and that also like, uh, she sees that, and
that's kind of the point where she's like kind of
starting to relax. But also Michael knows that he was
just attacked by a shark. He's also had a nightmare
about it. Yeah, So, I mean, all this thing's going on,
so yeah, this leads us to this, to this event
that's going on where they're dedicating the statue. And while
they're at this event, there's this banana boat that's out
in the water with kids riding it and everything.

Speaker 5 (01:20:10):
It's more of a banana and like an inflated la
raft that looks like a big banana.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
Yeah, that's being towed by a boat. And Thea's like,
you know, can I go do that? And her mom
lets her go. So we've got Lorraine Gary and we've
got Michael's wife are at this event, along with Jake's wife.
But the guys are gone, yeah, and wouldn't you know
it that in the water just so happens to be
the shark, and.

Speaker 5 (01:20:30):
Of course she sees it. The mother sees it first's
the fan feels it too, yeah, and starts screaming the
you know, get in, you know, get out of the water.
And she's trying to warn everybody, and everybody doesn't know
how to react at first, because there just aren't big sharks,
no in this part of the world.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
No. And so the boat's going along and one of
my favorite shots again is the boat's going along, You're
seeing it ride and the kids are going up and down,
and the shark just pops up really high. Yeah, bearing
the teeth bites a woman off off the front of
it and snacks on her as the boat keeps going on.
And the thing I love about it is the kids
are really afraid in this shot because they really were

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in real life because that was the first time they'd
seen the shark.

Speaker 5 (01:21:09):
And it's huge, I mean huge. Yeah, it's scary, and
it's a great moment. It's scary, scary, tense. Most of
the time, the shark looks great in these sequences, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Especially when they pull away. In the shot. There's a
shot where it's got the woman in its mouth and
it's still up in the air and the boat's going away,
and it's like somebody's looking back on the boat and
the and the kids just see this shark just pulling
this woman down, and we see it as the audience
that she goes underwater, and that's the end of the
shark for that scene.

Speaker 5 (01:21:33):
Yeah, and the panic that spreads. And now the secrets
are revealed, Yes, because Michael's gonna have some splaining to
do about how he knew there was a great white
shark out there, yeah, and kept it to himself.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
Yeah. So he comes home and of course they're consoling
THEA in the room, and that's when he's like, you know,
well what I missed? And she's like, there was a
shark attack. You know, THEA has got attacked. She's in
a panic, she's in shock right now. But while this
is going on, we didn't mention that l Brody has
already left on a boat. Yeah, at the beach at
this event. Once this happens at THEA, she steals the boat.

Speaker 5 (01:22:07):
Yeah. And that's where I forgot how quick the movie
moves to the third act, Because once she has the boat,
I'm like, oh man, we're going into fighting the shark.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:22:13):
Yeah, because she is. She is not the moment she
knows that her fears are legitimate. She's ready to face
some head on. Oh yeah, all by herself on a boat.
I believe her argument was she thought that it wanted her, Yes,
so she was trying to get it away from everybody. Yeah,
and then what happens happened.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
And keep in mind, once again, she doesn't know the
sharks being tracked. She doesn't know it's whereabouts. She doesn't
even know it's around, except for the fact that Michael
kept that. So she's going again by the instinct of
what we see in the movie, which is not Voodoo.

Speaker 5 (01:22:39):
Well, I mean, at the very least, it's clearly following her.
And that's the thing is, even with the voodoo subplot removed, Yeah,
there's still a telepathic connection between the shark and Ellen Brody.
And again, what a choice it is. It ends up
and the fact that they were like, well, we can't
leave all of those those pieces out because then it
really makes no sense at all. It's pretty it's prey nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Well, and she is she has stolen a big ship
like this isn't a small boat like? She has stolen
a pretty big sailboat, yes, with a with a mast
on the front and everything. So Jake and Michael will
find out about this. He admits to Carla that the
shark was around, and she's like pissed at him, which
obviously Yeah, So that's when Michael and Jake decide that
they're going to go out. So they get on Jake's
motor boat and they just so happen to go past

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Hogi and he's like, what's going on and they're like,
my mom stole a ship. He's like, well, you're never
going to make it there in that and he's like,
well you have a better idea. Cut to them flying
in his plane.

Speaker 5 (01:23:28):
Yeah, And this is where the movie just does the unwinds.
It just lets it all happen. So they're flying over
the ocean, they're talking to Hogy. They're trying to find
this plane, this boat. They don't really know where they're going, No,
they're just looking looking for the boat. And then when
they find the boat, Hogi decides I'll do a water landing,
yes on a plane not built for water landing Nope,
Which does tell you how much Hogy values hers Yeah,

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but also you know how little Hogi values his airplane, yes,
because he he gently skitters it on the ocean yep.
And then as it comes to a stop, it starts
to slowly sink. Yeah, and Van Peebles and Michael just
jumped the hell out trying to swim to the boat,
and Hogy stays at the plane.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
Well, they warn him to get away from the plane
because the shark will pick up on the electromagnetica. Right,
So yeah, they so Jake and Michael jump out into
the water. We see an underwater shot of them, so
we know the shark is close by. Obviously, because of course,
as the plane was coming in, Michael Kane even says,
is that what I think it is? Because the shark
is tailing the rain at this point, right, So, yeah,
they've landed in the water. They've gotten now, and Hogy's

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telling them, you know, oh, keep swimming, I'll be fine.
The shark rises up out of the water and we
get the best line of the movie.

Speaker 5 (01:24:37):
Oh shit, exactly like that. Yeah, no, because it's so
it's so perfect. He doesn't it's not huge, No, he's
just oh shit, oh shit, it's so good. And I remember, well,
that was one of my favorite jokes they did on
the movie crypt was that that they said, that was
the moment Michael Kane realized he was in the Jaws sequel.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
So the shark latches onto the plane. We don't know
what's going on, Hogy, and we see Jake and Michael
have made it onto the boat, and that's when they're
down in the basement of the boat trying to figure
out what they're gonna do. Also, by this point, HOGI
does make it back to the boat, and that's another side.
They're going to make both another tracker that is also
a bomb and then one that'll shock it as well.

Speaker 5 (01:25:15):
Right, I mean, they're basically trying to capture the shark,
and Van Peebles gives a line that I'd forgotten about
that is one of the best lines. Oh yeah, just
because he's when he's explaining how it will work, he says,
sharks spend half their life looking for food, in the
other half eating it. Yeah, And I was like, so
they'll eat whatever's in front of him, and I was like,
that's such a great line. Half their life looking for
food in the other half eating it. Yeah, that's good shit.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
So Jake obviously has to get this bomb into the
shark now, but they've turned the tracker into a shocker, and.

Speaker 5 (01:25:40):
You may be thinking, if you haven't seen Jaws the
Revenge in a while, like that, we're skipping over a
lot of details. Nah, they're just kind of like and
it'll be a bomb.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Yeah. Yeah, they basically make that in about two minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:25:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
So yeah, he reverses the plarity to make the one
shock him, and now they're making a bomb to throw
into the shark to blow up the shark. So he
goes out to the to the tip of the mast
and waits for the shark to pop up, throws it in,
loses his grip on the mask because the shark bikes
down on Jake and pulls him into the water. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:26:03):
Well, the shark hits the boat. Okay, it breaks it,
that's exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
Yeah, So he.

Speaker 5 (01:26:08):
Doesn't just like whoopsie, dude. Yeah, he gets pulled in basically.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:26:11):
And in the theatrical version, Van Peebles gets gnawed and
then he's gone.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
Yeah, because we do still see the shot of him
dragged underwater. Bloody, Because I will say the one thing
with the shark attacks in this movie, even though the
edits are crazy, they are pretty bloody.

Speaker 5 (01:26:25):
Yeah, They're very bloody.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:26:27):
Yeah. Well and the original shot of Van Peoples dying
in the original ending.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
Yeah, is insane.

Speaker 5 (01:26:34):
I mean basically, see I'm getting bitten half.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
Yeah. So Van Peoples gets pulled under. That's when Michael
is like, okay, we got to finish this. So he
starts shark shocking the shark as the shark is now
swim back away, but it's coming back towards the boat. Also,
as this is happening. Ellen starts having flashbacks of the
of her son dying. Of what else is there? I mean,
there's a bunch of stuff. She starts having flashbacks on

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the other movies, and that is when she decides that
Shark is coming up. They've been shocking at the shark
is also roaring at this point.

Speaker 5 (01:27:03):
Which is my favorite. It starts roaring like a lion. Yes,
because as they're shocking, has been ah, like up out
of the water. It's so silly but so fun. And
I want to mention because I mean, not that you're
one of the people who heavily critiques this part. Yeah,
but I've always heard people critique like she's remembering things
she didn't see well number one, Yeah, yes, but it's

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it's because they're telling us the story. Like I'm sure
that her husband told her how he beat the one
shark now the sun, you know, screaming for help and stuff.
That's just that's either just trauma, well that's either the
telepathic connection, yeah, which I don't think it is in
this case specifically, I don't think it is. But more
so it's her her imagining of what had happened, because

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she knows that he died horribly and the shark killed him. Yeah,
so would it be that shocking for her to have
a mental image that would be relatively accurate? I mean, like,
what do they want? You know what?

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
I do also want to add there was one thing
we did skip over that I do love, which is
the shot as Hogi and the guys are landing, the
shark does jump up at Ellen and she is just
barely missed by it.

Speaker 4 (01:28:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:28:01):
Yeah, no, it's he's he's straw dogging that Yeah, that
that boat right now, trying to get in there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
So yeah, so they are coming right towards the shark.
Ellen's having all these flashbacks. We cut back to Roy
Schreider with smile you said, of a bitch. The mask
gets jammed into the shark as it's shocked one final time.

Speaker 5 (01:28:16):
Well, first, the shark pulls a Jesus Oh, he stands up.
The mail leaps right up. Yeah, find legs. It doesn't
have any legs, doesn't yet. That was gonna be Jaws five.
The mutation that's basically the creature is Jaws with legs.
I damn. Yeah, but he like leaps up, he's like
out of the water, and then she rams the mast
into the center. Yep, and for reasons, for reasons, the

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shark just friggin explodes explodes. It explodes, And this is
one of the best points to frame by frame because
when it explodes. Yes, you see about five different shots
of miniature sharks, minature shark that are probably made out
of like fit like fish and fake blood. I would say, Clay,

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I wouldn't know, because they're bloody.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
I mean they're bloody.

Speaker 5 (01:29:02):
It looked to me like it was made out of
like that, they made it out of like salmon could
be and they're like being exploded by like firecrackers. If
you're watching frame by frame by frame, it is so
clear that like it's just like a tiny fake shark boom. Yeah,
it's really really ridiculous. It is.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
If you literally go to Google right now and type
in Jaws of the Revenge ending, you will see them.
They will pop up in your images. Yeah, because you
will be like, that can't be it. That's it.

Speaker 5 (01:29:27):
It is fascinating. It makes me wonder because they had
to have been the studio. Yeah, the studio had well,
I mean the whole ending, that whole ending was the
studio anyway, because the original ending was.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
Very different well, the original ending, so we'll just go
ahead and say it now. The original ending is she
impales the shark. The shark is just bleeding out of
its mouth in every direction, and then it just sinks
with the mast inside, to the bottom of the water,
and Jake is of course dead in the In this version,
Jake swims up from the surface. He's alive, apparently floating. Yeah.
And also we should point out that this this ending

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was shot on the Universal lot in a tiny little pool.

Speaker 5 (01:30:01):
I mean tiny big but not huge.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
Yeah. Yeah, And so the water had to be dyed blue.

Speaker 5 (01:30:08):
Yeah. And there are a few little spots like when
Michael Kane first gets on the boat, you could see
a shirt is dyed blue lightly. Yes, it dyed blue
because they're trying to match the Bahamas water. Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
And also if you look in the back, especially towards
after the shark has died, if you are looking in
the back of these shots while they're in the water,
you can see the water splashing against the back of
the back.

Speaker 5 (01:30:25):
And the wide shots were an odd choice because the
sky is oddly not exposed very brightly. Nope, because it's
a painting yep. So it is yeah, there are a
few points where you really tell and all I could
think was, like, why would you show any wide shots? Yeah?
That but it Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty hilarious. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
So, so the shark is dead. Everybody is okay for
the most part at this point, and the final shot
is Ellen is now flying back with Hogi as they leave,
they leave the Bahamas to go back to Amity.

Speaker 5 (01:30:54):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
And that is nineteen eighty seven's Jaws The Revenge.

Speaker 5 (01:30:59):
The finest of the Jaws films. The amount, I'm sorry,
the amount of entertainment value is so high on this movie. Yeah,
you can't watch it and not have a good time
unless you're actively trying to have a bad time.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
Yeah, I mean it is the movie Jaws The Revenge
is is a sequel to a Tea And I know
I say that a lot on the show, but I mean,
this is exactly what you get with a sequel. You
get an expansion on certain characters if if you are
lucky enough, you may just get new characters, and our
and our villain's usually in a new spot or returning
to the new spot with new intentions. But I mean,
this is this is the epitome of a sequel. It's

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just not a very well done one.

Speaker 5 (01:31:34):
No no, I mean, well, well that's the thing. Some
of it is, some of it is. That's the weirdest part,
is I really do I really would be curious to
see a director's cut of the whole film same because
it had to have been more seamless.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
There's no no deleted scenes I have ever been released,
except for the ending, of course. There is. Really the
only thing. The only behind the scenes you can find
is currently on YouTube is a making of that was
a TV special that's like about a half hour, I
want to say. Other than that, nothing else has been
released on these editions, So you're left with the novel,
which I'll get to here in a second. So what
do you want to guess the budget was for Jaws?

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The rue It was high.

Speaker 5 (01:32:09):
It was like twenty twenty three, twenty three, you know what.
Honestly it was probably twenty and then the three million
to pay for Michael Kine and what's her lorrange, Gary, Lorraine, Gary,
thank you? It's probably that was probably three was tacked
on to pay them.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
So opening weekend it makes seven million dollars, okay, grossing
in the US twenty million and grossing worldwide fifty one million.

Speaker 5 (01:32:30):
Does that tote all together everything? Fifty one? Yeah, so
it was it was a somewhat of a hit.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
Someone of a hit. Yeah. Shot in Edgartown, Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts,
and the Bahamas as well as the Universal backlot. Shot
in nine months, So from start to finish nine months
is this production?

Speaker 5 (01:32:44):
And they only had Hogi for two weeks, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
Point for two weeks, mostly set in the Bahamas. The
bulk of the movie was filmed on the north shore
of Ohio, Hawaii, near Turtle Bay and on northeast side
of the island.

Speaker 5 (01:32:55):
Oh wow, okay, so it was shot in Hawaii.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
Nice the first Universal Pictures film to be shot in
Super thirty five format.

Speaker 5 (01:33:02):
Really, yes, really, well, it did look great. Have we
watched the Forecat Yeah, yeah, and it looked it looked
really good at Super first one. Is that's what surprising Wars.
That's the first Super thirty five. Isn't that big of
a deal. Yeah, necessarily, I mean we could talk about
I mean, no, it is. I mean it's a little
bit higher resolution, but yeah, it's still thirty five films.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
Michael Kane accepted his role after seeing only the first
line of the script, which was fade in Hawaii. Kan
had wanted to shoot a movie in Hawaii for a while.
According to director Joseph Sargent, the film had gone through
so many story pitches that once they were settled on
the preposterous idea of the shark actually seeking revenge on
the Brody family, they were just so burned out creatively

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that being given the go ahead from Universal made everyone
happy and excited.

Speaker 5 (01:33:46):
That sounds right.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
Everyone was aware of how ridiculous the concept was, but
though but thought there was a chance of a fair
chance of making it to the screen.

Speaker 5 (01:33:54):
I mean, the whole fact that it's this time it's
personal alone is very funny.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
Pretty. Director Joseph Sargent briefly looked into the possibility of
producing the movie in three D and contacted the company
that had applied the cameras for Jaws three D. However,
it told Sergeant that it could guarantee the cameras would
be reliable in the climate of the Bahamas, so the
idea was.

Speaker 5 (01:34:14):
Scrapped, well, the climate of Hawaii, I guess in reality,
but good that they didn't try to do it in
three D. All, how would you do it again in
three D.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
No. No, this allegedly cost between twenty three to thirty million.
One of the most expensive movies of nineteen eighty seven.

Speaker 5 (01:34:28):
That I believe. Yeah, the only really quick.

Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
Oh yeah, the only Jaws movie that doesn't take place
in summertime. Jaws nineteen seventy five took place around fourth
of July, Jaws two took place in June, Jaws three
took place at some point in summertime, and this movie
takes place around Christmas and.

Speaker 5 (01:34:42):
New Year's Yeah, January baby.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
Michael Kaine said. One on ju mean Michael Kaine said,
won an oscar, built a house, and had a great holiday.
Not bad for a flop movie. He was paid one
point five million for seven days work in the Bahamas,
and the schedule was so tight that the producers were
unable to spare him so he could attend the Academy Awards,
and he went on to win the Best Actor in
Supporting Role for Hannah and Her Sisters in nineteen.

Speaker 5 (01:35:05):
Eighty He did.

Speaker 1 (01:35:08):
You can find recorded video.

Speaker 5 (01:35:10):
Oh it's so funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
The shark's infamous roar during the climax actually comes from
a Tom and Jerry cartoon called the Milky Waif. Reportedly,
this was actually done because the sound editor refused to
make it original sound effects, thinking that the idea of
the shark roaring was ridiculous. Wow, yeah, jeez. The water
in the tank where the climax was shot was filled
with blue dye, which turned Michael Kine and the rangary's
hair blue.

Speaker 5 (01:35:32):
Well they both were blonde, so well he was gray.
But yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
According to Joseph Sergeant, the Banana boat sequence was the
most difficult sequence to shoot, with involvement of children and
adults both being both seeing the shark for the first time,
plus coordinating the technological logistics of the sea with the
horror of the attack. Sergeant was quoted as saying he
felt as though the scene was like a visual ballet.

Speaker 5 (01:35:52):
I could see that, I mean kids, special effects, water. Yeah,
it's a lot to manage.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
Roy Schreider was offered a cameo but declined, Statington himself
could not get me to do Jaws Part four. Reportedly,
if Schider had accepted the bit part, the shark would
have been would have killed his character at the start
of the movie rather than Brody's son Sean. The end
result was shier in this movie through archive footage from
Jaws that was inserted during some scenes.

Speaker 5 (01:36:15):
That I could see not wanting to be the opening death. Yeah,
although also they were probably like, we can't give another
guy a million dollars, damn it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
I guess it would depend on how the death was.

Speaker 5 (01:36:25):
No, it would just be killing off the main character
from the original movie in part four. Yeah, I mean
Chider was was at a point in his career where
he didn't have to say yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
Imagine though, if he pulled the wood from the Orca
off the buoy and that was his demise though.

Speaker 5 (01:36:39):
That would have been amazing. That would have been so
cool though, because he could have like pulled the wood
and then looked at it and see Orca on him
like duh du d d and then that would have
been so cool.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:36:48):
No, I wish he had done it. Yeah, but I
see why he didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
Lorrange Gary briefly came out of retirement to reprise the
role of Ellen Brody. This film stands as her final
acting role to date.

Speaker 5 (01:36:57):
Damn and she didn't. She passed away in like twenty
nineteen or something. Yeah, she was around for a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
Murray Hamilton was asked to reprise his role as the
mayor in a short appearance at the beginning of the movie. However,
he died of cancer before filming had started.

Speaker 5 (01:37:08):
Damn, that would have been so many Easter eggs.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
The nes video game Jaws, published in nineteen eighty seven
by LGN, was originally titled Jaws the Revenge. The object
of the game was to stab the shark with the
bow of the player's boat, much like the original uncut
ending of this movie. I've always thought that when playing
the game, it just looked exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:37:24):
When they used the cover art from Jaws the Revenge.
Even it just as Jaws.

Speaker 1 (01:37:27):
Yeah. The shark's head exploding is explained when Jake throws
an explosive that's powered by electrical impulses into the shark
before he is grabbed by the shark and taken under
the water. Then later, when the shark is impaled by
the broken bow spirit in the exact spot where the
bomb is, it ignites the bomb, which causes the shark
to have its explosive demise. The scene of the sinking
shark corpse without its head is the same shot from

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the end of the first movie. After Martin Brody shoots
the tank.

Speaker 5 (01:37:51):
Yep, that's something I always noticed that. That's the shark
dying in part one, sinking to the bottom of the hotion.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
The movie has the lowest body count of the series,
with a total of three victims depending on which version
you watch, Sean Brody, Margaret's mother on the Banana boat,
and Jake in the original theatrical cut of the movie.
Throughout the four movies, there were nineteen deaths shown or implied.
There were five in Jaws, seven in Jaws to five
in Jaws three and three two or three in this movie.

Speaker 5 (01:38:15):
Yeah, yeah, though there's not a lot of shark killing
killings in this film, not at all.

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
A crucial subplot involved Hogy smuggling drugs onto the island.
The scenes were shot and then deleted during post production
because it took away from the main premise involving the shark.
It's fully detailed in the novelization.

Speaker 5 (01:38:30):
Well, and it would, it would, It would be a
lot to follow.

Speaker 1 (01:38:33):
In the novelization, based on the original script by Hank Cerels,
included many scenes and subplots that were ultimately removed. Some
of the excise material includes the discovery of Sean Brody
by Ambiti police department, THEA being hypnotized and almost wandering
into the water at night, where the shark waits, the
death of a windsurfer, a humorous scene involving a drunken
retired newscaster and the shark, a drive by shooting where

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Brody's are nearly injured, and a foot pursuit what Mike's
secrecy of shark tales strain on his marriage. He also
retains monitoring a device in the bedroom. When Carla has
her unveiling, Mike goes to a bar and he and
Carla argue. She then mentions that she shut off the
monitoring device, not knowing what it does, because she believed
Mike needed to sleep. Okay, It's only then they realize

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THEA may be in danger on the Banana boat. Deleted
characters include an island gangster who befriends Ellen Brody, who
is ultimately killed by the shark, Hogy's law enforcement partner,
and Papa Jacques, a voodoo doctor. Of course. In the novel,
Papa Jacques is a local man to whom the Islanders
turn for advice and guidance. Mike Brody does not like him,
as he believes he exploits the islanders, including his assistance.

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After an altercation with Mike, Papa Jacques what leads to
THEA walking outside towards the water in a zombie like trance.
Several segments also take place from the shark's point of view,
and it is revealed that the shark is actually upon
and can't understand the force driving where it needs to go.
Oh wait, let me rephrase that. Papa Jaques summons a
shtark to do his bidding. He also has Thea's pale
stolen so he can curse it. This is what leads

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her walking outside.

Speaker 5 (01:39:58):
Okay, gotcha? Well, and I want to say hey, speaking
of remember I keep saying the most interesting thing about
this film is the choices that were made. Yeah, if
you were making a Jaws sequel and you just wanted
to get it done, and you wanted the cheap thrills,
would you amp the body count way up and instead
it ends up way down? Yeah? Another strange choice.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
It is no very strange choice. The original script features
a cameo for marine biologist Matt Hooper, and Hooper seen
he calls the Brody's and is greeted on the phone
by thea who knows him as Uncle Matt. Hooper is
established as being close to Michael and Carla, who calls
him my second favorite marine biologist, and he gives them
his condolences about Sean's death. Hooper and Michael discussed their careers,
the late Martin Brody and Hooper's once spending Christmas with

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the family with Martin dressed as Santa Claus. The scene
ends when Michael heads off to summon Ellen to the
phone to talk to Hooper Ah she had an affair
with in the book Whoops. The only Jaws sequel not
to be enumerated, the reason being that this film is
retroactively the third film. Universal was so disappointed by Jaws
three D critical and box office response that the film
was now noncanonical to the third film. This is reinforced

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by the fact an ad that went out in newspaper
saying see the final installment of the Jaws trilogy. However,
critics and audiences were less than receptive to this film,
which led to this being the final film in the franchise.

Speaker 5 (01:41:11):
Damn, I can't said the trilogy. That's hard, that's hard. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
And finally, this movie is listed amongst the hundred most
enjoyably bad movies ever made in John Wilson's book, The
Official Razzie Movie Guide.

Speaker 5 (01:41:23):
I mean I would have to agree. I mean it transcends.
Oh it does.

Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
So before we get to our final thoughts, should be
checking with our buddies to see what they thought of
the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:41:32):
If by buddies you mean Ciskel and Ebert, I do.
I suppose, so we'll see what they have to say.
I'm sure they loved it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:39):
Oh yeah, great, right, Shark Attacks again and Jaws the
Revenge the fourth movie just when you thought it was
safe to go back in the theater. And I'm Roger
Even of the Chicago Sun Times. That's one of the
four movies we'll review this week. And the question I
always have is when you see the shark at the
top of the water, you only see its fin right now.
And yet when you get the shark's point of view,
like we just sucking at the paper, it's like its

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eyes are.

Speaker 5 (01:42:01):
Above the water too.

Speaker 3 (01:42:02):
The logical error among many logical errors.

Speaker 5 (01:42:05):
Wait, like what I'm gonna need. I'm gonna need a
signed Affid David with all the list of the list
of logical errors.

Speaker 6 (01:42:13):
Come on you've got that right. We saw the same movie.
I'm Gene Cisco. All the major players are gone from
Jaws the Revenge except Roy Scheider's wife, and her name
is now just a trivia question. Ellen Brody played by
Lorraine Gary, wife of the boss of mc A. Universal Pictures,
which happens to make the Jaws movies. Three D failed
to say the series the last time out. This time

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an idiotic script sinks the whole show. The premise, Ellen
Brody is a witch. They didn't like it enough sense
the public.

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
I hated.

Speaker 6 (01:42:43):
Wife of the film is convinced that white Shark is
a grudge against her family. Now you could just hear
those sharks talking. That's the last thing I do. I
guess that's what.

Speaker 3 (01:42:54):
They say, realistic shark talking.

Speaker 6 (01:42:56):
Interesting than the movie anyway. Here's with Ellen Brody's fear
is very early in the picture, so veteran moviegoers should
be able to figure it out.

Speaker 5 (01:43:05):
Well, that's a that's a shark doing some shark stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
There's no teeth or anything.

Speaker 5 (01:43:11):
It's for television.

Speaker 6 (01:43:13):
Like they say, I'm sad and I hate when that happens.
A dream sequence. People were growing in the theater when
that happened.

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
I mean, I want to go up, so they're just
gonna have Ellen Brody get.

Speaker 5 (01:43:24):
Attacked in the next sequence.

Speaker 1 (01:43:27):
Another there are quite a few dreams. They lean heavy
in the movie.

Speaker 6 (01:43:32):
If there's anything that annoys an audience, it's the dream sequence.
I hate that stunt. It's old, it's cheap, it's a
lousy gimmick, and I wish they would stop doing it.
And then that describes a whole movie. You want to
probably see what the shark looks like. They show more
of it this time, and by showing more of it
actually at the end it sort of looks fake.

Speaker 5 (01:43:52):
As for the confrontation, Michael Caine was pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
I love it.

Speaker 6 (01:43:56):
One of her sons the others dead and one of
his friends and trying to drive the shock crazy by
first making a swallow an electronic beeper box death by noise.

Speaker 1 (01:44:04):
It's kind of funny because Universe Studios use the banana
boat attack in a lot of their ads for the.

Speaker 5 (01:44:09):
For the part, I mean, it was a good attack scene.
It was yeah, and I think Cis Leniver it might
have been hitting the sau since this time around, because
I mean, come on, like it would have been I
would be so happy if one of them just loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
I mean, that would be great.

Speaker 5 (01:44:26):
But then he happened.

Speaker 6 (01:44:27):
This movie is so badly made that the death of
the Shock isn't even set up well. There's a key
shot missing so that we don't even get the whole picture.
We walk out of the theater very frustrated, and that
last scene is preceded by one of the most glaring
errors in recent movie history. Michael Caine has been in
the water, has swimm to safety onto the boat. Very
next scene, his shirt is as dry as it had

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just been freshly.

Speaker 1 (01:44:49):
Laundered, probably because it was blue. This is the end of.

Speaker 6 (01:44:51):
The Jaws series. The first film was thrilling and well acted.
The rest have been trash.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:44:59):
Actually over the hates too. He hates to dry.

Speaker 3 (01:45:02):
I'm a city new theater and I said his shirt
is dry, and.

Speaker 5 (01:45:05):
Preview were like, Roger, Yeah, appreciated that his shirt is dry.
And then somebody turned around and shot him dead because
it's Chicago movies.

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
But I don't know that seemed to go over pretty well.
You know, I got a question for you. I may
be very badly confused here in this. You know, I
usually am in this movie, this shark wants revenge against
the Brodie fans.

Speaker 1 (01:45:23):
We got it?

Speaker 3 (01:45:23):
Yes, Okay, Now, in the first movie, what happened the
first movie blown to pieces? Right, what happened to the shark?

Speaker 1 (01:45:29):
In the second movie?

Speaker 3 (01:45:31):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:45:32):
What happened to the shark?

Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
And they all died?

Speaker 3 (01:45:33):
They all die? So in that case, the fat Shark.

Speaker 6 (01:45:36):
Is this a friend of the other sharks?

Speaker 5 (01:45:38):
Yeah, it's a friend of the family, the shark's godfather.
You see.

Speaker 6 (01:45:42):
By having this gimmick, that means that even though this
one dies, she's still was going to stay living in
that stupid town instead of moving into the Middle West
where she should be away from.

Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
So in any event, all like it?

Speaker 1 (01:45:55):
You got it? I got that.

Speaker 5 (01:45:57):
Okay, Next move live in Iowa. Man, live in Iowa.
That's the answer, Like I you know, I I I
damn I get where they're coming from. I couldn't imagine
any critics liked it. Oh no, it had to be
universally panned.

Speaker 1 (01:46:11):
I wonder, I bet I could find maybe one review,
but I'm gonna have to dump that down.

Speaker 5 (01:46:14):
So probably written by me, it could be.

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
So, Speaking of which, what are your final thoughts on
Jaws The Revenge I.

Speaker 5 (01:46:20):
Mean, I'm gonna have to be realistic. I mean, because
I would say it's a by it, but most people
would simply not agree. Yes, I think if you've never
seen it, renting it is very wise. I think it's
beyond a stream it. I think you should rent it
and watch it with friends, Okay, or watch it by
yourself if you're not a loser like a fucking fuddy duddy.
I'm I'm unfortunately going to give it a stream it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
Wow. As much as I love Jaws the Revenge, this is.
This isn't a quired taste. This is an acquired taste movie.
I mean, for one, it's it's the fourth entry in
a series of you know, a blockbuster masterpiece that started
a craze. Basically sure, And I mean I, as we've
already said on the show, I love too. I think

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two is a lot of fun. Three I have probably
seen the most out of any of the Jaws movies. Honestly,
Now I think about it, and I'm good for the
next five years, if not more. After watching it recently,
I feel bad that.

Speaker 5 (01:47:14):
I haven't warmed up to it more. But I really haven't.

Speaker 1 (01:47:17):
It's just there's not a lot there's not a lot there.
There's really not. And then Jaws Revenge is just a
hodgepodge of choices. I mean, and it's fun, but I
mean it is definitely an acquired taste film. So it's
a streaming for me. But I have to say that
if you haven't seen it, give it a watch.

Speaker 5 (01:47:32):
I mean, to me, Jaws one is like a steak
dinner with a baked potato and some green beans. Jaws
two is like a deep dish pizza.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
I was thinking steak sandwich.

Speaker 5 (01:47:43):
Oh stiksy. It's like, it's like like a deep dish pizza.
It's like it's pretty good, but you get it, you
get it quick, and it's cheap. Jaws three is like
a cost Co cheeseburger fork sandwich.

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
I'll kill you.

Speaker 5 (01:47:56):
I'll kill you and I won't even regret it. I'll
kill you and then I'll walk right into the police
station while I'm talking your parents on the phone. And
then Jaws four is like a peanut butter and banana
sandwich fried in bacon fat. It's it's it's it's like, look,
this is gonna be this is wild. It's not good
for you, but you're gonna be surprised how tasty it
can be. You're gonna like, you gotta give it a chance,

(01:48:16):
you gotta take two bites.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
Yeah, minimum, I mean it's could could you say that
it is a good movie? Debatable? Is it?

Speaker 5 (01:48:23):
You could say? I could say anything, but I stand
by it's not that it's the best Jaws movie. It's
that it's the most entertained, entering. I will never watch
Jaws One as many times as I've watched Jaws The Revenge.
For the sheer joy of Jaws The Revenge.

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
I'm genuinely curious. Is it the shortest of them?

Speaker 5 (01:48:42):
I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (01:48:43):
Two is like over two hours. Two is right at
two hours, three is ninety nine minutes. This is the
shortest Jaws film. Jaws the Revenge is the shortest Jaws film.

Speaker 5 (01:48:53):
I mean, I believe it cut. They cut all the
voodoo out, cut the drive by shooting out.

Speaker 1 (01:48:58):
I can't wait to read that novel now, man.

Speaker 5 (01:49:00):
Yeah, I'm curious as hell.

Speaker 1 (01:49:01):
Oh yeah, I'll give you a full report. I'll probably
even bring it to the show. So we always like
to end the show with a couple of recommendations. First
one I got this week is continuing into the Jaws infamy.
We're gonna go with Jaws five aka Cruel Jaws.

Speaker 5 (01:49:15):
Jaws, Dick Brain, Dick Brain, dick Brain.

Speaker 1 (01:49:18):
That movie is a fever dream from nineteen ninety five,
currently available on fossome Plex Pluto. In two B, it
says a huge shark terrorizes a beach in Florida, and
the locals try everything to kill it.

Speaker 5 (01:49:29):
Oh, they try everything, including like three tons of dynamite.

Speaker 1 (01:49:32):
That's deep blood.

Speaker 5 (01:49:33):
Oh, that's deep Blood. Yeah, the same movie.

Speaker 1 (01:49:34):
In my I mean that both of them borrow footage. Actually,
Cruel Jaws has footage stolen from Deep Blood Last Shark
and Jaws one, two and three.

Speaker 5 (01:49:42):
Oh yes, stolen, shamely, not borrowed, shamely stolen. Yeah, stolen.

Speaker 1 (01:49:47):
So you get that on like I said, fossom Plex,
Pluto and two B. The second recommendation I'm Gonna go
with is two thousand and four's Twelve Days of Terror
and Animal Planet original movie. Currently available. It's entirety on YouTube.
You can also rent it via Amazon. Twelve Days in
July of nineteen sixteen, a shark patroled the waterways of
northern New Jersey. This docu drama is based on Richard
Fernicola's account of those days.

Speaker 5 (01:50:09):
It's really good.

Speaker 1 (01:50:09):
It's a solid flow. Yeah, it's a solid one. Yeah,
basically the true story of Jaws.

Speaker 5 (01:50:12):
Yeah. What's your recommendation, sir, Well, there are many wonderful
ripoffs of Jaws. Yes, and I decided to pick I
have my top two. Okay, I'm not going to give
both because one of them is Grizzly. I think Grizzly
is one of the best Jaws ripoffs ever. And it's
about a Grizzly bear. Absolutely, But number two in my

(01:50:35):
eyes has always been nineteen seventy seven's Orca.

Speaker 1 (01:50:38):
I was wondering, and Orca is a lot of fun.
It's about a killer whale, a killer killer whale. Yes,
and I remember this one scaring the hell out of
me when I was a kid. Yeah, it's got several scenes.

Speaker 5 (01:50:50):
Oh yeah, it's very scary. It's again it's this if
becomes personal the tagl or the synopsis on IMDb as
a fisherman and his crew are targeted by a killer
whale seeking vengeance for the death of its mate, and
it is a silly fun time. It's available to rent
on Amazon Prime. It's not currently streaming anywhere free with ads.

(01:51:11):
But that is totally worth a rent if you've never
seen Orca. They play it deadpan, they play it serious,
and that's why it works. While being ridiculous, it also
manages to be decently scary and suspenseful at the same time.

Speaker 1 (01:51:23):
Killer whales are terrifying. If you haven't seen a documentary Blackfish.
Cannot recommend that documentary enough because my god, that.

Speaker 5 (01:51:30):
Why are you trying to actually scare our audience? Because
is a lot terrifying.

Speaker 1 (01:51:34):
They are, they are.

Speaker 5 (01:51:36):
The way they retreated is not great, not great either.

Speaker 1 (01:51:38):
Yeah, but yeah, no, orc is a great recommendation.

Speaker 5 (01:51:40):
Don't you want to just pet its big flat tongue,
stick your hand in his mouth, pet it's tongue.

Speaker 1 (01:51:43):
I've been wonder I do want to revisit that movie,
but honestly free Willy holds up. Oh, I'm sure it does.

Speaker 5 (01:51:49):
It's actually really solid time and it's duite little directed.
That's true that one. Yes, so the director of Halloween four.

Speaker 1 (01:51:55):
Yes he is. Do we have any emails this week?

Speaker 5 (01:51:58):
Last I checked, we had one, so let's see if
that's still they took it away. If you guys want
to get a hold of us. By the way, you
could do so by sending us an email at do
you Even Movie Pod at gmail dot com or going
to do you evenmovie dot com for all the information
you could ever hope to have. This one's from our
good buddy, the guy the reason for the program.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
Patrick Patrick.

Speaker 5 (01:52:19):
Awesome Yeah, subject says Hi, guys, I was wondering what
you think about covering Tropic Thunder. I know it's controversial
or maybe Happy Gilmore. Thanks for the entertainment, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:52:32):
Patrick, possibilities of both.

Speaker 5 (01:52:35):
I think Tropic Thunder is one. It makes no sense
that it's aged so well, but it's just it's funnier, yeah,
now than it was then. In my opinion, every time
I've revisited it, I'm always like, God, that's a funny,
great film.

Speaker 1 (01:52:50):
We revisited what like a year ago. Yeah, it still
holds up Happy Gilmore. I don't dislike Happy Gilmore. I
I've been a big fan of that one. I don't know.
I don't know if I would do an episode on
or not.

Speaker 5 (01:53:02):
I have more nostalgia for Billy Madden Madison, saying, so,
if I was going to talk about one of those,
it would probably be that one. But I'm not like
crazy about those movies. No, but Billy Madison is just
the one that was always on yeah when I was
growing up, much more than Happy Gilmore.

Speaker 1 (01:53:16):
Yeah one had Happy Gilmore. Has the sequel coming out
now too?

Speaker 5 (01:53:19):
Oh yeah yeah it does.

Speaker 1 (01:53:20):
But yeah, those are definitely possibilities, Patrick, So we will
entertain those for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:53:25):
Tropic Thunder. I would not be shocked if we end
up doing as long as Dave is willing to wear
a blackface.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
No, that's not happening.

Speaker 5 (01:53:32):
What if?

Speaker 1 (01:53:33):
No, No matter what you say, No, it's not happening.
But would you like to know, Gid, you like to
know what we are talking about next week on the
show as we continue lives of each month.

Speaker 5 (01:53:42):
Well, I can only assume we're gonna do Jaws the
Revenge again.

Speaker 1 (01:53:45):
Oh that's it. Yeah, all right, that's aloo the show.

Speaker 5 (01:53:47):
Thank you guys so much for joining us.

Speaker 1 (01:53:49):
No, we are going to be taking a step back
to nineteen seventy nine for a movie I bet not
many of our listeners have seen, let alone have heard of,
called Malibu High, currently available on Fowesome, Plex and TB,
And all I can say is, if you haven't seen
Malibu Hi, First off, it's available very easily right now
with those three apps. But also, you definitely want to

(01:54:11):
watch this movie before we talk about it. I don't
want to spoil this movie for you, but I absolutely will.

Speaker 5 (01:54:16):
But this is the weirdest. It's really fun. Yeah, it's
so far out there, so far. I was honestly thrilled
but confused. You chose it, yeah, because I was like, well,
that's a it's a harsh one. It's a harsh one.
It's a harsh it's a harsh one. No, it's it
is really funny, it is easy.

Speaker 1 (01:54:32):
It gives you the premise that it's gonna be a
t and a comedy and it's not.

Speaker 5 (01:54:36):
No, it has me maybe if you're like, if you
have a good head injury, that's recite.

Speaker 1 (01:54:40):
Yeah, but I mean, yeah, this movie is one you're
not ready for. And we're going to talk about it
all next week on the show.

Speaker 5 (01:54:46):
Oh yeah. So make sure you're subscribed, whether it's on
your favorite podcasting app or if you're watching us on YouTube,
make sure you subscribe to my channel. And remember you
can email us at do you even Movie Pod at
gmail dot com. We're always excited to hear from you. Guys,
whether it's to recommend a movie, to comment on a
film we've talked about, to praise my coverage of Jaws,

(01:55:06):
do and and talk about how finally someone is brave
enough to speak the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:55:11):
Genuinely cannot wait for these shorts that YouTube to see
what people are gonna say about Revenge.

Speaker 5 (01:55:15):
I mean, bring all the hate you want. I don't
care as well, because it's the best. It's it's so good.
I I I have no problem saying it's more entertaining
than Johnson. So you and I will forever say that,
so you will.

Speaker 6 (01:55:30):
Well.

Speaker 5 (01:55:30):
With all that being said, I guess all that's left
to do is say thank you guys so much for
watching or for watching us listening to us. Yes, we
do appreciate it. We'll be back next week with Malibu High.

Speaker 1 (01:55:40):
Yes we will. Boy howdy.

Speaker 5 (01:55:42):
So I guess all that's left to say now is
see you.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
I'm gonna say that was personal.

Speaker 5 (01:55:47):
Okay, it would make more sense, but we cut off
the voodoo something. The ending doesn't really work as well
as it because

Speaker 1 (01:55:54):
It oh shit, oh shit,

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