The Crow (1994) Love, Vengeance, and Rain-Soaked Justice

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In a world without justice, one man was chosen to
protect the innocent and to make the wrong things right.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's not a good day to be a bad gaz guy.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
The film, the critics are calling dazzling and piercely hypnotics.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Brandon Lee is sensational triumph.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Brandon Lee the pro rated R now playing at theaters everywhere.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
In a world where podcasts reign supreme. Two Friends Dare
to Ask, Do You Even?

Speaker 4 (00:43):
Movie hosted by filmmaker Enrique Kuto and movie aficionado David Denyer.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Spoiler alert.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Rolling on both also is it as what it?

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Uh is? What it is? That's a great way to
start the show. I mean, as if it wasn't enough
that I have to put a warning at the beginning
that if anyone has recently watched American History X, why
is it aimed to be prepared for your hair cut every.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Time I shave my head? That that's the joke?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Well, first of all, I mean you answered your question
with the every time because you do it, You do
it enough that you know a good joke is worth remembering.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah, but this was kind of a mental health shave
this time around.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Uh do I dare?

Speaker 3 (01:47):
I mean I'm not going to go into it, wonder. No,
I'm not going to go into it much this time.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Okay, because I mean, like, in general, shaving your head
for mental health is not.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Man It was an episode. No, I was on, was
in a manic episode.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
This is the first time hearing about it.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
No.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
I texted you right after it happened, when I said,
am I being Have I been off to you lately?

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Oh? Well, no, there's that. But you didn't say I
shaved my head in a manic episode?

Speaker 3 (02:11):
No, because I mean I did it didn't really have
a reason to say that just yet, So.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
You saved it for now when I was trying to
politely banter about your.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Haircut basically, yeah, sure.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
I mean if I had known that you shaved your
head out of a moment of like of like a
mental struggle, I probably wouldn't have made a joke about
you looking like a skinhead from American history X, at
least not so immediately. Yeah, I might have tried to
like cushion it.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
I did also make a Facebook post that said, sometimes
you have to shave your head and clean your apartment
and then all about mental health.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
I know if only I, I and I should have
read it. I wasn't doing anything over the weekend.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
I was.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
I was definitely on the on the web the whole time.
I mean I did see that you were cleaning your apartment.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, which definitely needed it. And who doesn't, well my
my situation. So basically what led what led to me
getting rid of my hair was a combination of I
had my six month review at work and then also
on top of that too, like I had been struggling.
I mean, as as I said on the show before,

(03:21):
I'd been struggling with with what to do with my hair,
and when it wasn't for anything of lack of not
having solutions, it was lack of action.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
You you refuse to own a hair brush?

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, well no I own a hair brush now like
I owned I own a hair brush. It's more so
like it didn't didn't buy a hair dryer, didn't change
my shower routine at all. I was I was in
a very depressive state on and off for a bit,
and it was just genuinely no guidance, like no, no, no,
no path for me to go on. So I was

(03:50):
just going loosey goosey, which when I had my six
month review, that was brought up, and I was honest
with my boss on that matter too, because my boss
is an awesome person and she is a cancer survivor.
She's genuinely like one of the best bosses I've ever had.
And she expressed concern like it wasn't even it wasn't
even about work. It was it was mainly just like, hey,

(04:13):
not even out here, not even in there, like you know,
are you are you okay? I'm concerned, was like basically
how she started. And I straight up told her, I
was just like, you know, I just have felt very off,
and I mean, there's no other easier way to say that.
It was simply that. So sure, when I got out
of the meeting, it was it was a combination of

(04:34):
told her that I was going to absolutely try to
do better obviously, and I mean, and she was very
receiving to the information and also like had feedback for
it was like giving me mental health podcasts and like
some stuff that she listened to as well. So it
was a really good meeting. But when I got home,
I was like, what's the one thing that I could
possibly do that would show her that I not only

(04:55):
heard her, but also that I'm like taking what she
said to attention, and.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
You were like killing animeahborhood cat.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Kill a neighborhood cat. Indeed, No, but no, no it was,
and I can I can say it on on here
for the first time. That like the when I took
the when I took my razor to my head and
did that initial just stripe down the middle, which is
usually how I start. It's instantly just felt better, just
instantly felt the electric razor like clipper clippers. Okay, first,

(05:23):
not like a straight razor.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
I think it was a straight razor, I thought, but
I was like, not like a shaving.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Like electric electric clippers, And it was just that initial
down the middle just immediately fell off my shoulders and
then you know, ten minutes later I was looking in
the mirror and I was just like, fuck, I feel
so much better.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
The freedom from being skunked. That's the term that like,
especially like cranks. Well, but but just any shave right
down the middle was cold sunk.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yeah, yeah, but no, it was when I say a
manic episode, it was mainly I had texted several friends
you included, and had been had you andly asked like,
how have I been the last few months? I mean, honestly,
most of twenty twenty five where we're you know, as
we're recording this, we're rapping towards the end of April,
we now, so, I mean we're almost into five months

(06:11):
into the year, and it's been it's been a struggle.
But when I took the clippers to my hair and
also decided that I was going to take my Friday
off and clean my apartment topp to bottom, which is
what I did, and then the next day also went
and got a chore like chart basically like to put
on my fridge and like keep myself in a routine

(06:32):
because that's what I need. That's what I came to
the conclusion of was that if I don't have a
routine and just go at it, Lucy Goosey, I will
lose my fucking mind because I just don't have any
balance and I will not put my feet to the
fire on action if unless it unless it needs to be.
And that was kind of a wake up of just
being like depression hairstyle whatever we want to call it

(06:53):
at this point, like it was, I didn't do anything
with it. I picked it out, I you know, shampooed
it and everything. When I showered, didn't call barber, didn't
even try until literally that day I tried to get
into I called my text, had like gone through like
three of them, like right or after my meeting, had
gotten on the website of a couple of them and
checked none of them had openings because it was good Friday.

(07:13):
It was Easter weekend, so everybody who had appointments for.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Everybody was giving their hairs up for lent.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah, I was giving their up for lent. But no, yeah,
I mean it was just you. You've made the comment
that I've shaved my head before. Yeah, I like, I
I've gotten pretty damn good at it at this point,
because I don't think you can really fuck it up.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Oh okay, that's what that was my look. When you
said you gotten pretty good. I was like, yeah, but yeah, yeah,
I can't.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
You can't really fuck that up unless you just miss splashes,
which I did a couple, but I plucked those on
the drive too, on the drive to pick one, I mean,
fair enough, not like patches, Like it was just like
a few stray hairs like behind my ear that I'd missed. Yeah, yeah,
but yeah, no, it was I me on this show
right now, has probably felt the best I have and
in a couple of months. Honestly, like it's just I

(07:59):
This past weekend has been a refresh for me looking
at my apartment as a whole in regards to like
cleaning it. I had been looking at dust bunnies. I
had been looking at like, you know, just stuff in
the corners and whatnot, and had been like, yeah, I
should get to that. You and I share a similarity
though that sometimes when I look at something that needs
to be done cleaning wise, I'm like, that's gonna take

(08:19):
me all day and talk myself out of it.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah. Yeah, adderall helps with that, I bet. But but
I mean, but instead I work all day. Yeah, uh sometime,
I mean my average days could be twelve hours or
more and I'll see the mess and be like Jesus,
I wish I had an hour. Yeah, Like I would
kill to have that hour to clean that. That's been
a big change since I started ADHD treatment. Yeah, has been.

(08:45):
I used to just completely avoid it. I just be like, ah,
I forget it. Now I'm just like, ah, if only
I didn't always fill my cup with work.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
I get that.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Which, uh, It's it's hard to explain I was talking
to somebody the other day. Not to steal your thunder,
but I was talking to a friend. I think it
was actually Michelle I was talking to about it. But
I mentioned that the way I live is I wake up,
I get out of bed, and then within two or
three minutes, I am in my office and I'm fully

(09:18):
in work mode. And she was just mortified. She was
just kind of like, how, And I was like, I
don't know how. It's it's just what you do. It's
it's my thing, that's.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Your routine, that is your routine.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Well, sure, sure, and and but most people, you know,
they have like a little bit of a transition time
from a wake to work, you know, the old cliche
like reading the funny pages and drinking your cup of coffee.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Do you think that you go directly to it because
you just see your workload as never ending.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
No, it's because it is never Yeah. I mean no, no, no,
I was just being silly, but no, no, I mean
that's part of it. I'm obsessed. I was actually the
other day I was watching Top five. I'd love that movie,
the Chris Rock movie. I was rewatching it and he mentioned,
you know, as an alcoholic, how he was at a

(10:12):
restaurant and he saw a guy just leave his beer
half of drink on the table, and he was like, man,
how do you do that? And that made me think
of the story in Stephen King's autobiography on writing about
how he had to at the end of every night
he had to pour all the beers left down the
drain because he couldn't sleep if there were beers in
the house undrank, and I was like, man, that sucks

(10:35):
to be that addicted. And I was in the middle
of an incredible battle with my printer, with my disc printer,
which is really important to a major facet of my business.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Was this before or after you had run doss to
get it to a.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
This was during during? Yeah, this was during And I
had that moment where I was like, man, that would
be really awful. And then I stopped dead, and I
was like, could I sleep if this problem we're still
going on?

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Maybe maybe I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
I wouldn't be willing to say I couldn't, because I've
definitely had points where, like I've been working because problem
solving is a massive part of my job, I've had
moments where, you know, at about one thirty in the morning,
I'm like, I gotta go to bed. I'm gonna hit
it tomorrow. I'm not like, you know, I'm not like
literally manic about work often, you know, but last week
was extra crunched because the plan was for the week

(11:24):
to be easy, and then I had the audity show
get tacked on, which I'm happy about. I mean, it
was a really cool experience. But because of that, then
the week became normal load and then when problems persisted
or joined the call, then it became you're screwed. You've
got to work as hard and fast as long as

(11:46):
you can, and that is never fun. And I promised
myself I was going to step away from that, because
I did that in October and November and in most
of January and then leading up to Wasteland, and you know,
so most of March was that as well. So I'm
trying to ease up on that, sure, But it's important

(12:07):
to keep in mind that a routine is very important,
especially if you're relatively solo living. When I lived like
all on my own in Jersey, I like my weekend.
I had to have like a regimented weekend or else
it would just suck. And like when I first started

(12:32):
working for myself, the routine was pretty much non existent
because I didn't even know what the days would be like.
Now things have grown to a point where there's so
much to do and there's always something that could be done.
It used to be that I would sometimes spend two
or three days just generating a new project or new

(12:55):
thing to work on. And now I do that mind set.
I do that mindset while I'm already on something else
because there's so much to do. And it's a blessing
and a curse, because I mean I was also like
super broke all the time during that period where I
could like run to the movies three days a week, Yeah,
I was. I was like dead ass broke. I would

(13:17):
literally be like pushing together quarters to see if I
could get a coke at the theater because I'd be like,
oh my god, like you know, so now it's like
I don't have I could I get whatever I wanted
the movie theater if I can find the time to go,
So you know it. But my point is you suck, no, no, no,
but no. My point is like, so do you feel

(13:40):
like your routine did you feel like you had a
routine going and you lost it like from I know.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
I'll be I'll be perfectly honest. When when I went
when my partner and I split up last year, it
was it was a situation to where we we we
had had a routine obviously, of course, and I've got
my routines in the sense of like you know, you
and I record on Tuesdays. I've got stuff that happens
like usually Thursdays with another podcast or with friends or whatnot,

(14:11):
and then Friday with you guys. So it's like, it's
not that I don't necessarily have a routine. I don't
have a routine for like you perfectly made like said it,
my solo time, My solo time is spent a lot
that was spent a lot of me sitting at my
apartment or thinking about being at my apartment, being free
at my apartment to do all these things, and then
overthinking every single fucking thing I could do and doing

(14:33):
nothing instead.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
David, this is a family show. No, there's a thing
and I'm trying to remember the name of it that
I was. I learned about when I first got my diagnosis,
and it was called like revenge relaxation or something along
those talk about Yeah, and I think that's a thing
that a lot of people deal with, where they'll have
some time to themselves and then decide that they're not

(14:56):
doing a good enough job doing something for fun.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
It's not uncommon for me to pull I don't want
to say an all nighter, but I mean it's not
uncommon for me. Like so, for example, Friday, when when
the guys left my place, which is little after twelve
thirty or so, I saw seven am.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Geez, yeah, you have had that's been a problem in
the past that we've talked about.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
And that was and that was even after this, but
that was mainly just the fact it was just like,
had a day off, you know, took the day off
and clean. The guys come over, smoked cigars, eight pizza,
watch movies, and then they left, and I was just like,
you know, I want to watch a couple things, and
I did. But then I did realize, like after a while,
I was literally pushing myself to like stay awake for
this movie, and it was just like, dude, I can
go to bed anytime and finish this tomorrow. Well it's

(15:40):
even weirder today.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
It's even harder when you think about like you don't
work Saturdays anymore. No, so you could literally get up
whenever you want on Saturday and just pick up whatever
you want exactly, but you kind of push yourself. Yeah,
And that's something I've been really trying to fix on
my end, is like I have a really hard time
with deciding what I'll do with the little bit of

(16:01):
free time I get, Yeah, and then I'll end up
wasting most of it, and then I'll be mad.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
So I've been pushing myself to just like I have
to watch some like I just this is what I'm doing. Yeah,
there's not a debate.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
I basically. So along with along with the cleaning routine
that I made for myself, I've also made it so
that I that I make myself read a chapter of
whatever book i'm reading a day, and it doesn't have
to be just a chapter, meaning you know, if I'm
reading and want to read more, obviously I can, but
I need to have just that separation at least you
get my phone out of my hands, get anything distraction

(16:34):
wise way, and just like focus on my book because
I love reading, and this this year especially, like I've
been reading more than I have in the past, which
has been enjoyable naturally, though this like last month, I've
barely touched my Freendil one ray book and I'm in
the last like fifty pages. So I mean, it's it's
hard for me to pinpoint exactly, you know, what is

(16:55):
causing it. It's just I mean, it could be a
clump of things at this point. But what I sole like,
what I solely realized in all of this in the
past week, is just that I have to have some
kind of schedule. I have to be able to have
something that I can look at and be like, Okay,
I need to get that done and that done, and
then you know, also making progress for myself on whether

(17:16):
keeping my apartment clean or just like you know, tasks
that I need to have done. That's been the hardest
thing is just kind of figuring out what's gonna get
me to do that. And luckily, I am now three
days into having this short chart up and I have
not missed a single day of my chores.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
That's good.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
See, It's funny because from my perspective, I'm envious of
your work schedule because that would anchor every day or
five days a week to me. So it's interesting to
hear you know, somebody struggle with with constructive time for
just the evenings and weekends.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
I think it's because that combating the fact that I'm
also in night out. I mean, you know, it's not
hard for me to stay up, like I am nocturnal
as far as I'm concerned. So I mean, it's not
hard for me to stay up. It's literally harder for
me to sleep, which is why I sit on the
show a while back. Like you know, I've started trying
to be in bed at ten, so that way, at
least I'm laying down, and for the most part, that

(18:11):
has been working out. But like when I choose to
stay up, oh, I will go as long as my
body will let me, or as long as I'll make
my body.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Go for that matter. Yeah, I was gonna say, I mean, I.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Mean, because Jeff and I drank a cup of coffee,
like when we started long Good Friday, and so I mean,
like nine thirty we each had a cup of coffee.
But that wouldn't move well. But that wouldn't that wouldn't
carry me to seven am.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
It could carry you further than you realize though, Like
you know, you know that the experts recommend you shouldn't
consume caffeine after like three or four pm.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
What do they know.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
I'm just saying. I'm just saying, like that's their their recommendation,
So having it at like eight thirty at night, that's
pretty late.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah, but I also wasn't planning to go sleep any
times soon too.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Well yeah, and there you go.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Yeah, but no, I mean it was it's it's been
a lot better the last few days. I genuinely am
trying to stick to this because I want to, and
it's like I have not had that feeling in a while,
and I don't I'm if that sounds sad, it probably is.
But at the same time, it's just like I've had
a really tough twenty twenty five so far, and it

(19:17):
really hasn't even been that much of it except for me.
We're almost a halfway point, like two months away from
it at this point. But like, not even a lot
has happened in regards of like negative stuff. It's just
been changes, and I think the changes have just thrown
me off. Well, you're a warrior, oh big times.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
I know I didn't think. I didn't think you didn't
know that. I'm just saying, but oh, now, you're worried
about what I meant by that. That makes sense, But
but you know, just having that mentality of of everything
that comes up could be a new big problem. Yeah, Well,
whether they are or not, the way your mind and

(19:57):
your body take it will be as if it is. Yeah,
And that's something to consider as well, is you know,
you have to try to find perspective on your problems
as they come. And that sounds easy, and it kind
of is, except if you over diminish your problems, then

(20:18):
you'll just have a horrible time, yeah, because you'll be like,
I'm really worried because I'm stupid and I shouldn't be worried,
and then you're beating yourself up instead of having a
healthier mentality towards your problem.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
What's harder for me, and what really does become the
biggest obstacle sometimes is that I love to help people.
I love to be there for people as much as
I can be and everything, and in doing so, that
will make me cut pieces out of me that I
should probably hang on to for my own spoons for
that matter, And then I can't really hold on to

(20:51):
helping people if I'm not well myself, and like that's
that's kind of been to come to Jesus. It's just
been like I don't I don't have the spoons to
deal with a friend messaging me sometimes, and I hate
it because it's just like I can't be like, I don't,
I can't deal with this right now, even though I
absolutely can, and I mean that's my right, but as
as David, I can't. Like it's hard for me to

(21:12):
tell somebody like I just can't help you right now.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Well, and it's hard if the habit has become that
they come to you to ask you for things, yeah, often, Yeah,
because that's kind of the catch twenty two.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Luckily, I don't have really many of those. I did.
I mean I did back in the day, I remember, yeah,
But like I mean that that has kind of been
cut out that that was more so twenties than it
has been thirties, luckily, because it's gotten to a point
where it's just like if you if you're in your
thirties now and you're asking me for money every week
or you know, every month or anything, I don't know
what I'm supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
I mean, Jesus Christ, that was yeah, that that was
That was a couple of things.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah, that's not okay, No, it wasn't. And I had
told that person. When that person got mad at me
for telling them, I was just like, we're no longer
friends because this is not Yeah you're you're not You're
not receiving me on this.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Hell no, No, that's like that's way the way the line.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
So I mean that, you know, it's it's been a
really really good couple of days. I'm I'm holding onto
this feeling, not in the sense of how long can
I make this last? How do I make this last?
Is how I'm feeling right now, because you know, normally
you feel happy and you're just like, oh man, I
hope this, you know, last a while. I'm feeling good
to a point where it's like if I keep this going,
then I can at least stay focused on this and

(22:24):
make the progress and build off.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Of that that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
And just have a regiment at that point too.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
I mean, having something to focus on, having something to
keep you on track is very important, yeah, and very valuable. Yeah,
but yeah, it it sounds like, I mean, you've went
through a lot of changes, especially in the later half
of last year, so and it's going to make you

(22:50):
feel a certain way. As you head into the into
the anniversaries of multiple changes, you're going to feel a
certain I mean, I'm going through the anniversary of both
of my dog's deaths right now. Yeah, and there's that
moment of just like wow, so much time already, and
you have to you have to find where to put that.

(23:13):
You know, you have to arrange the furniture of your
mind and you don't want that furniture getting knocked over. No,
So it's a it's a challenging thing. I mean, I
appreciate that you're talking about it candidly, little annoyed because
I tried to see how you were doing earlier and
you just said fine, yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Because so this is no offense to you. There are
there's times I want to talk about it, and there's
times I don't. And given you know, I'm not I'm
not going to say what I was just telling you
out in the in the living room about what what Well.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
That was very that was very yeah, yeah, no no detail.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
But what I'm saying is that also that kind of
brought me to where it's just like, okay, like this
is something that like I've done all I can with it.
Now and I need to let it go. And that
was just kind of the thing where it's just like
me being like, Okay, you've helped the friend out, you've
done what you can. Stop dwelling on it, stop thinking
about it. If anything else comes of it, we'll deal
with it tomorrow. Don't think it, don't say it. Don't
think it, don't think it, don't say it.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Bye bye man.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
So, but I mean, yeah, it's no, it's no offense
to you on that. I mean, And I know, I know,
I'm stubborn. I know, but there's also times that I
just genuinely don't want to talk about it, and then
there's times where it just pops out of me.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
I understand that. It's just sometimes it comes with anger.
I get that, and that can be frustrated.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Yeah, I know, I absolutely get that.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
So Luckily I I first studied anger management when I
was very young, and I'm pretty good at catching myself
once I'm pissed, and that helps a lot with I mean,
with all of my relationships in the world. Yeah, because
when people I care about piss me off at first,
I almost never you know, fully snam I.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Mean, and to be perfectly honest with you. I thought
the text had kind of given you an idea of
what I was going through, but you didn't know the
after of that.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, and and I think it may have not been
very clear how taken away I was.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
And that's one of the last it is in the
sense of you hadn't when I sent that text. That
was Thursday, and you hadn't left yet, so that so
that was you haven't. Yeah, you and I haven't really
spoken much since then.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, it was just a hell of a hell of
a trip to pull together all at once.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Oh yeah, man, I understand.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
No, I'm not saying you're you're denying that. But but
with that all being said, you probably need Jesus, Which
takes us to our movie that we just saw before
we came into the studio. We finally got to catch
Ryan Coogler's Sinners and overall really liked it a ton.

(25:44):
It feels like it's been a while since we had
a vampire movie in the most in the most pure sense.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Of being a of being a well of being a
successful vampire movie, or I.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Mean, like, it's not a Racula movie. No, it's not
a sequel, it's not a it's not it's original. It's
an original vampire concept. You know, it's a bunch of
vampires doing vampire stuff. Yeah, you know, like from Dusk
Till Dawn or Interview with the Vampire, which we're like,
although I think that was based on a book, but
it doesn't matter, no Interview.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Of the Vampire interview. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
But I mean, like, we had a lot of these
vampire things in the eighties and nineties, you know, Near
Dark and stuff like that, but we've had quite the
drought of successful vampire movies. Doesn't mean they weren't good.
I mean, we had Abigail, although technically that's loosely tied
into a Dracula universe thing, but that doesn't matter. It
was really good, but it didn't do well at the

(26:42):
box office. Yeah, and I got really curious and started
pulling up info. And it's been a really long time
since a non Dracula. Well, first of all, even with Dracula,
Dracula Untold was twenty fourteen. That was a big hit.
I was that it was not either, but I'm just saying, like,
but apparently that one was considered a hit. Yeah, but
then you had like No s Faratu, which is a
remake but it was a hit. And but before that,

(27:04):
like according to the research I was doing, like it
was Hotel Transylvania was like the biggest vampire movie that
mal and then Twilight. Yeah, so it's really cool to
see Sinners right now. If it can keep the momentum going,
which it really looks like it is, yeah, it's going
to be a big hit.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
It's got the best word of mouth that I've seen
of a horror movie in a while, because I like,
I had non horror friends asking me if I'd seen
Centers yet, and I was just.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Like, the I do you have literal like horror friends?
They're just like ghouls and goblins.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
I mean, you know it is, but yeah, No. I
had friends that normally don't go see the horror movies
that I go see or in general, and it was
just like, have you seen Sinners yet? And I was like, no,
have you? And They're like I loved it, and it
was just like, Okay, this is this is something big
And for those who aren't aware, it's uh, it's basically
about these two brothers that have got gotten out of Chicago.
There they're little uh like not I guess they I

(27:53):
guess they worked for capone, is that what the idea was.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Well, they keep hinting that they were in organized crime,
but they would horror crime. They went to war and
then organized crime because this I forget the exact year
was nineteen thirty.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Yeah, and they've basically come back to their town. They're
buying this little mill it was a former mill, to
turn into a chery, to make it into a juke joint,
and then some vampires end up stumbling upon it one night.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Well, and it takes place in Mississippi during Jim Crow,
So there's segregation and a lot of hostility a lot
and the setting was really great. We didn't really get
a hint of vampire until about thirty minutes or so in.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah, about thirty Yeah, I think you're right, Yeah, because
the first the first appearance, and then from there I
just kind of even even with that first appearance, it
still takes like about an hour twenty for it to
really get into vampire territory.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Something like that.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Yeah, Because I mean it's a it's a period piece
horror movie. Musical is the best way that I could
put it.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
I mean, I wouldn't call it a musical, but it
has a few pretty big moments of a lot of
music numbers do well, and the theme is music. I mean,
the element the concept of like a fire starting for
music is a very old concept. I mean goes way
back to like mozart Era and those two brothers. They
start their juke joint up and basically they have this

(29:12):
incredible almost seance transcendent performance yeah, at their juke joint,
which attracts these vampires to come and want to crash
the party.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
And it's it's really fun and spooky.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
It goes places you don't expect it to. I would say, like,
not not so much like story wise, it's more so
like the musical element that carried even over to the
vampire side. I wasn't expected, oh like them performing to
them performing. Yeah, that was That was really cool And
I really wouldn't consider that a spoiler much because I
mean that happens a lot.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
The little moments of voodoo in there, yeah, were pretty
cool and interesting things really.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Moving minded me. A lot of idle wild meats from
us till Okay, Yeah, I can see that.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
I mean it definitely. It had tons of from dust
till Dawn vibes. Yeah, going for me for.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Sure, especially the last thirty minutes.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, well, and we had like the main character is
a guitar the guitar player who kind of summons everything,
and he's the son of a preacher yea who's expected
to become a preacher.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
So you've got like a lot of those elements going
for it. It was pretty creepy. It had some great
jump scares.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
I wouldn't consider it like super scary all the way through,
but it had some great scares.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
It had some. It had some really good violence too,
I would say, especially towards the end of the siege,
like it was very violent. It was very violent at
that point especially.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
No, but I mean like the the the blood spray,
it was. It was really crazy. And I thought overall
it was just it was a solid film. I wasn't
a huge fan of like the last fourth but it
wasn't bad. I just I just wasn't as into it
as I was the rest of the film. And that's
a very minor critique because also the there's a mid

(30:50):
credit sequence that is excellent and I think really ties
the film together even better. So don't be like the
people sitting next to us who got up and left
you know. I guess they finally decided to go talk
somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
But were they talking the whole movie?

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Ah, A bit, a bit.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
And the guy seemed annoyed when I had to go through.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, he was annoyed when I did too. I was like,
it's not my fault, you have long legs, but no,
it was. It was a damn fine film. And one
thing that's really interesting is if this film becomes a
huge hit, and I want to mention and I did
not get this vibe from the trailers in the marketing.
I did not get the vibe this was a big movie,
and it is. It clearly cost ninety to one hundred

(31:31):
million dollars. But one of the really interesting things about
this film that they just started reporting about, I think
in Variety is Ryan Coogler. You know, he came off
of doing two Creed movies massive hits, and two Black
Panther movies.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Mattered with Fruitvale Station, though with Michael B.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Jordan Oh yeah, nice h But so he's had four
monster hits in a very short span of time. Yeah,
And when he made this film, he basically chose his
own deal, and he made a deal that's really uncommon
for movies this big. He gets a cut of gross
profits or not profits, just gross earnings, which, for those

(32:10):
who don't know, net means after expenses, gross means immediate.
So that means that from the moment tickets starts selling,
regardless of how much the movie's made, he begins to
see a portion. We don't know what percentage, but he
begins to see money. That is a big move. But
the even more surprising one was he was able to
make a deal with Warner Brothers that after twenty five years,

(32:32):
the film is going to revert back to him like
in its entirety. And that is something that filmmakers have
made those deals, but not at this scale, not with
a movie that costs one hundred million dollars. It's extremely unusual.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yeah, and it's kind of made the industry panic a
little bit. From what I've read in the articles too.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
I think that was just how they got us to
read it, Yeah, because I don't see why they'd be panicked.
It's like, well, you're afraid that somebody's gonna want to get.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
To see Ben Stiller go off on Variety by the way,
Why Because Variety had put up a article basically saying
you know it's a huge hit, but it's got a
ninety million because it.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Made sixty some million, well against ninety the.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Advertising campaign and Stiller was just like, this is a
really fucked up way to say, like how this movie's
like a hit, Like the movie like this doesn't deserve
a headline like this.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah, but they're trying to get you to read it.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
I mean, and when I saw the first box office,
I was like ah, And then when I saw the
next few days, I was like, Okay, no, it looks
like it's gonna upswing really great. Yeah, because I'd like
this to be a very big hit because it was
a really great film. Yeah, it was surprisingly packed and
on a Tuesday night, So I think it'll do well.
I think if anybody is debating going to see it,

(33:38):
it's not really a debate.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
This is a movie made for theaters. Oh sure, this
is a movie made for movie sized screens.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Ah. Well, they shot it in sixty five millimeter and
seventy millimeters, so it's I'm out. I mean, we saw
an XD look great. That looked really good. It was
a bit dark on purpose, yeah, Like it was a
bit dark, and I think that served it.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
I think vampires only said one time, by the way.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
I was surprised it was said one at all. Yeah,
I thought it wouldn't be said at all. So I
I really really dug Sinners, and I think I think
people should go see it, support it. I think it's
a it's gonna be a very interesting It's gonna be
interesting to see where things go from here with Ryan Coogler,
Like is he going to go back to making box

(34:20):
office hits or is he going to insist on making
original things now that are his because his four box
office hits were all other ip you know, Creed was
to take off of Rocky, and he did an incredible
job of both of those, obviously Black Panthers Marvel. So
I'd be very curious to see what's next, assuming this

(34:41):
trends the way it is, And I do think that
it's very likely the word of mouth will push this
way over the top.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
I would hope.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
So, I mean it, I mean it worked for Knives Out.
Knives Out was a great film and it came back one.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
I'm so sorry what like I did, Glass Onning was
a lot of fun and I want I want a
third one already.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
I don't know, right, you know, right, your congressman. So
but speaking of congressmen, oh, tonight's film Okay, No, I
just I just was like we should probably segue. That's
fair so well, and not just because you know, we
should get to the movie, but because this is a
you know, kind of a seminal movie for you today time.

(35:24):
So it's it's funny because our ages aren't massively different,
but but they're different enough that like, there are a
lot of movies you really like that you weren't there
when they first came into existence. And I was, yeah, yeah,
I mean I was what year was it, ninety three, four,
ninety four? Ye, so I would have been eight ish

(35:44):
somewhere in that neighborhood. So I remember the the in
the moment pop culture, noess, I remember the news pieces,
I remember the commercials, and I remember the VHS releases
of a lot of these as well, yea, like when
they got pushed out. So tonight we're talking about nineteen
ninety four's The Crow, Yes, as part of our wrapping

(36:04):
up the April Shower Showers. Yes, because in this film,
it can't rain.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
All the time, but it fucking does almost.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Its damn near does so and this is a film
that I know you've wanted to bring onto the show. Yeah, you,
and honestly, you kind of just cheated so you can
get two birthday picks out of doing this.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
I still do't even know my actual birthday picks. Go
to be it might be nothing but trouble, but we'll
find out.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Oh I thought it would be. Uh, I'll always know
what you did last time.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
No, that's that's your birthday pick for me.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
You're right, I'll just make that my birthday pick.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
There we go. Yeah, but no, I mean this was
this was a movie that I did not realize was
going to honestly change my life. Like I mean, that's
the best way I can put it. Is because I
remember being aware of this movie, and I remember how,
and I'll tell and I'll talk a little bit more
about it when we get into how how I got

(36:54):
a hold of this movie. But this movie and From
Dusk Till Dawn ironically were bought the same day on
VHS and taken home, and I watched both of them
the same day, and Lo and behold got two of
my favorite movies of all time. But The Crow is
one that I could not tell you how many times
I've seen it at this point and getting busy.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
It's sick, it's not sex.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
It's more than six. But I mean getting to see
it on the big screen last year around my birthday
was is an ultimate gift, and I mean it was.
It's just a movie that I have that I absolutely
have a lot to say about. But also it's become
a way of me to connect with a lot of
people in my life too.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Honestly, people have been murdered, people have been so it
makes sense, makes sense.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
The Crow from nineteen ninety four is one hour and
forty two minutes rate. It r for a great amount
of strong violence and language, and for drug use in
some sexuality.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Well are you just gonna steamroll past? Or did you
want to watch this clip?

Speaker 3 (37:50):
You brother? Oh no, I'm I'm gonna get there. Okay,
I'm gonna get there, Storry, there's a place for it.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Oh okay, Well, it'll be nice to know since on
the one has I set you everything?

Speaker 3 (37:57):
We kind of we kind of just rolled into it
and that's my and I was literally this freaking my apologies,
but anyway, i'mdd synopsis says the night before his wedding,
musician Eric Draven and his fiance are brutally murdered by
members of a violent gang. On the anniversary of their death,
Eric rises from the grave and assumes the mantle of
the Crow, a supernatural avenger.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
That's an okay, I mean it gets all the points.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Yeah, my synopsis. When he and his fiance are murdered
the night before their wedding, Eric Draven rises from the
grave one year later to take vengeance on those responsible,
assisted by a crow with supernatural powers.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah that works.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Taglines, Oh yes, yes, can't rain all the time?

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Oh that was actually a literal tag It can't.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Ran all the time was a tagline yet Okay, okay,
nothing is trivial.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Hmm, okay, that's not a good tagline.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
This is one that I knew like verbatim because it
was on the T shirts and the poster Believe in Angels.
It's on every single poster for the most part.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
So freaking like teenage girl cringe.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
In a world without justice, one man was chosen to
protect the.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Inn since it makes them sound like the Phantom or
something real. Love is Forever No one works. Okay, And
finally you'll love this one. So keep in mind ninety
four what superhero movie would have just come out tail
into the eighties Batman darker than the Bat, But that
one works better because it would be darker than the Bat.

(39:21):
The Crow, Yeah, because it was like it leads into
the title. Okay, uh yeah, No, I don't like very
those taglines much at all.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
It can't read all the times the best one next
to uh nothing is trivial.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yeah, I mean I think that if you're I would
probably say that the best would be the loved one
forever because that would get I mean, because this movie.
You've got to understand, David, This movie lived and died
by the teenage girls. My sister was a teenage girl
when this movie came out, which is why I saw it.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
I have bought in Boughton Boughton, I have bought seventy
five percent of my original Crow merch off of women,
I would say checks out entirely. Yeah, so no, that
absolutely checks out.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
So it's currently available to stream on Pluto TV. You
can also rent it through Prime and Fandango, and it
is also available on a beautiful four K that came
out a couple of years ago, or not even be
a year ago now.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
It was about a year.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Yeah. Director is Alex Proyis on the film. He gets
his start as director and writer on Spirits of Air,
Gremlins of the Clowns in eighty seven. Okay, yeah, Fleetwood
Mac Everywhere Video in eighty seven, writer and director on
Dark City in ninety eight, Garage Days in two thousand
and two. But as far as his directing goes, Yes,
Rhythm of Love in eighty seven, cock Robin Just around

(40:38):
the Corner in eighty seven. These are music videos, yes,
Rick Springfield, Rock of Life, Mike Oldfield, Magic Touch, Crowded House,
Better Be Home Soon, Joe Jackson nineteen Forever Sting all
this time. Then he directs The Crow in ninety four.
That's his first theatrical film.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Then he goes on to do I Robot in four,
Knowing in two thousand and nine, and Gods of Egypt
in twenty sixteen.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Wow. Yeah, so he's had realized he had some more movies.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
He's had some more movies. Yeah, writer on one of
their three writers on the film, first one being James O. Barr,
who is the writer of the graphic novel in nineteen
ninety four. He gets his credit on that as well
as characters for City of Angels, Crow, Stairway to Heaven, Crow, Salvation, Crow, Wicked, Prayer,
and Crow twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Ah, Yes, Yes, Yes Crow twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Other writer is David J. Scal. He gets a start
on nineteen eighty nine's Freddy's Nightmares. Writer on leather Face,
Texas Chainsaw three in nineteen ninety, Creators three, he gets
screenplay credit on in ninety one, Creators four, screenplay credit
on in ninety two, Crow in ninety four, The Outer
Limits ninety five, Perversions of Science in ninety seven, The Hunger,

(41:42):
Texas Chainsaw The Beginning. In two thousand and six, he
gets a story credit on Masters of Horror, Both Pick
Me Up and We All Scream for ice Cream. Then
he has a teleplay on The Hills Run Red in
two thousand and nine.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Oh Yeah, for some reason they call it a teleplay.
It was really a TV movie as far as I
can tell. Oh been for tax reasons.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Yeah, Mob City in twenty thirteen, creep show series The Finger,
and Mums. In twenty nineteen. He's the writer on Well.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
It's worth mentioning. David Skal got his name in the
world by being a splatterpunk O. Yes, yes, and that
was his big his big thing. He'd written novels and
novellas and things like that.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
A couple is I've got like Seeing Red and I've
got one that he has like I think it's like
four other writers because him and Nick Garris wrote together,
even on a couple. Oh, okay, yeah, other writer on
it is John Shirley. He gets his start as in
nineteen eighty six with Defenders of the Earth, The Real
Ghostbusters in eighty six, Brave Star in eighty seven, Robocops
series in eighty eight, The Crow in ninety four, The Specialist,

(42:38):
which he is the he wrote, I think The Specialist
novels or something or had a credit on that. I
want to say. Then he does Star Trek DS nine,
al right, Poultter Guys, The Legacy, hey All Roads, Adventures
of Sinbad in ninety six, Red Shoe Diaries in ninety six,
Twist of Terror in ninety seven, Profit Spawn TV series,

(42:59):
Batman Beyond the Tomb in two thousand and nine, Iron
Man Armored Adventures, and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in twenty sixteen.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Oh that took a turn.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Yeah, and our cinematographer on It is Darius Wolfsky. He
gets his start in nineteen eighty seven with Suzanne Vega's
video for Luca Sting be Still My Beating Heart, shoots
Van Halen when It's Love, Steve Winwood holding on the
Bengals Eternal Flame video hauling Oates Downtown Love. Crosby Still
is a nash American Dream, Paula Abdul Forever Your Girl, Aerosmith,

(43:28):
Jamie's Got a Gun in eighty nine Pointer Sisters After
You zz Top Give it Up. Then, in nineteen ninety three,
as the cinematographer for one of the most underrated neo
noirs that I've seen and also cannot recommend enough, Romeo
is bleeding with Gary Oldman, Roy Schreider. Who else is
in the note? But it's a really good mob story.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Are there any overrated dio noir thrillers?

Speaker 3 (43:53):
I mean sure, but I don't know that.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
I was just saying, when you say underrated dio noir thriller,
my first thought is, I think that's all of them
are underrated.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Neodo war is also a turn that gets thrown around
a lot nowadays.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
That's kind of my point.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Then he goes the Crow in ninety four, then shoots
Crimson Tide in ninety five, follows it up with The
Fan in ninety six, which is the Wesley Snipes rubbed
a Nero, Yeah Yeah, Perfect Murder in ninety eight, Michael
Douglas Dark City in ninety eight, Alex Froyes Shocking eminem
featuring Dido, the Stan music video, which was a big
music video when it came.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
I remember the Stan Music Video.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Then you had The Mexican in two thousand and one,
which is one of my favorite movies. Bad Company two
thousand and two, Pirates of the Caribbean, Curse of the
Black Pearl, Hide and Seek in two thousand and five,
Pirates of the Caribbean, Dead Man's Chest, and six At
World's End in seven Sweeney Todd, Demon Barber of Fleet
Street and seven Eagleye and eight Alice in Wonderland, Pirates
of the Caribbean On Stranger Tides, The Rum Diary, Prometheus,

(44:47):
The Counselor, Exodus, Gods and Kings, The Martian, The Walk, Alien, Covenant,
War Machine, All the Money in the World, Sakaria Day
of the Sodado Wow raised by Wilson twenty twenty. News
of the World, The Last Duel, House of Gucci, Napoleon,
fly Me to the Moon, and most recently Mody The
Three Days on the Wings of Madness in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Wow, yees, his career really picked up in the last
ten years. Like crazy, You shoot.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
The Crow, then go to shoot Crimson Tide, which we
just recently revisited, and that movie is shot beautifully.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Sure. No, but but like man, I mean, I've seen
a good eighty percent of that of that last bunch
you were talking about, like News of the World, and
although I mean they're all really new, the world was
really it seems like he got pulled into that kind
of Burtany Ecosystems.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Shoot the Martian and the Walk back to back pretty crazy.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yeah. I wonder if the Walk was shot in three D.
I know that it was released in three D.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
That's a good question. Actually I don't know. So moving
down to our cast, we have Brandon Lee, who plays
Eric Dravid in the film. He gets to start in
nineteen eighty six on Kung Fu. The movie goes on
to do Legacy of Rage in eighty six, CBS Summer
Playhouse in eighty seven, Crime Killer in eighty seven, Laser
Mission in eighty nine, show Down in Little Tokyo in
ninety one, Rapid Fire in ninety two, and The Crow
in ninety four. As I'm sure most of our listeners know,

(46:03):
he was tragically taken from us on this production at
age twenty eight March thirteenth, nineteen ninety three, accidental gunshot
wound from a faulty prop revolver. To explain it in
a little bit more basically, a scene was filmed two
weeks before Lee had been called by the same gun
that had been chosen for a close up in the movie.
Revolvers often used dummy cartridges fitted with bullets but no
powder or primer during close ups, as they look more

(46:26):
realistic than blank rounds, which have no bullet. Instead of
purchasing commercial dummy cartridges, the film's prop crew, hampered by
time and money constraints, created their own by pulling bullets
from live rounds, dumping the powder charge but not the primer,
than reinserting the bullets. Witnesses reported that two weeks before
Lee's death, they saw an unsupervised actor pulling the trigger
on the gun while it was loaded with powderless but

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primed round. Since the primer was still live, it could
launch the bullet with enough force to push it out
of the case and wedge it into the barrel in
the fatal scene, which called for the revolve to be
actually fired at Lee from a distance twelve to fifteen feet.
The dummy cartridges were exchanged for blank rounds, which feature
sure a live powder charge in primer but no bullet,
thus allowing the gun to be fired without the risk
of an actual projectile. As the production company had sent

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the firearm specialist home early, responsibility for the guns was
given to a prop assistant who was unaware of the
rule inspecting all firearms before and after handling. Therefore, the
barrel was not check for obstructions when the time came
to load it with the blank rounds, since the bullet
for the dummy round was already trapped in the barrel,
a condition known as squib load. This caused the forty
four magnum bullet to be fired out of the barrel
with virtually the same force as if the gun had

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been loaded with the live round, and it struck Lee
in the abdomen, mortally wounding him. Basically, it went through
his stomach got lodged in his spine. He did not
die on impact. He made it for about twelve hours
and then passed the hospital.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
And it was a serious tragedy and a big wake
up call. Yeah, And as we'll find out when we
talk about the Crow a little bit later. Yeah, there
were a lot of unsafe corners being cut yea to
make this production, because it was a big, big movie
with not that big of a budget in comparison. And

(48:03):
I mean, people get hurt on movie sets more than
they should, and a lot of that has to do
with the homogeny of following the director's lead, of the
fact that everybody wants the movie to get done, and
then when you get into the nitty gritty of it,
everybody wants to go home, everybody wants to make their day,
everybody wants to you know, whatever goal they have, it

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always leads to we need to wrap up today. And
when you cut corners like that, it can usually it's
annoying ye at worst, but sometimes it can be deadly.
And we had that incident with rust, which although that was,
as far as I can tell, such an incredible dereliction

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of duty on the part of the armor. The last
I heard there were actual live rounds of ammunition on
the set, which is completely not even but like like
not just irresponsible.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
But when I say like live round should not be
on the set, I don't mean they shouldn't be on
the set that day. I mean they should never be
anywhere near the set, even on an off day, because
if one live round ends up anywhere, somebody could die.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Yeah, and unfortunately we've seen that firsthand.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Yeah, and that's that's something that's shocking to me that
you would that you would ever think, oh, we'll take
live rounds out there for fun later on. That's insanity,
that's true insanity. And the idea of a bullet being
lodged in the barrel and then getting shot out by
a blank round is a real danger, and it's why

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generally after the crow firearms are usually inspected by the
director and the two actors involved. Anyone who's near the gun,
and anybody who's firing the gun, they all inspect them,
whether they're real or not. And that's also really important.
I remember working on a movie once where somebody had
to shoot themselves with a gun, and we don't use

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real firearms on the set unless there's no other choice.
There have been a few times, but there's no live
ammunition anywhere near us, and we definitely don't use blanks.
And the gun was airsoft so that it recoiled when
it shot, so it looked very convincing. And I remember saying, like,
you can hold it to your cheek and pull it.

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It won't do anything other than like a little puff
of air. And he was like, it makes me nervous.
I was like, I totally understand. I put it into
my hand and I pulled the trigger like eight times,
and I was like, if you still don't want to
do it, that's fine, if you want to do that
to your hand and see like but I felt nothing,
and he ended up doing it because it felt like nothing.
But that was a very good like. There was no rush,

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there was no urgency. It was just like, hey, I'd
like to do it this way. I will do it well.
And it's not dangerous.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Pretty much on any set, you should be able to
call an arm or over anytime to check a gun,
no matter what.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
If there are real firearms capable of firing real bullets, yeah,
then yes, because even a blank by itself can be
dangerous if pointed in your direction. Generally speaking, I think
it's up to ten feet. It's really not a danger
anymore because the projectile it could shoot out it you,
was basically a little tiny piece of cardboard, yeah, or

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wadding if it's a shotgun. So generally speaking, it can't
go very far. But even so, if you actually look
back at some of your favorite movies where people shoot
at each other, you can actually see they're they're aiming away.

Speaker 5 (51:34):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
One of my all time favorites is how noticing on
rewatches of Diehard they do not show you Hans Gruber's
face when he fires that gun half the time.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Well, they had a double loaded there, which is twice
as much gunpowder as would be in a normal cartridge. Yeah,
to give a big, big fireball.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Yeah, they cut away a lot because he was apparently
wincing when he would fire it.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Yeah, because it was insanely loud and right. And that's
the thing. So I'm glad that the crow that, if
anything could happen from it other than showing how good
branded Lee is as an actor, as tragic as it is, Yeah,
it is good that it got a conversation going about
like should people be in danger making movies? And the

(52:16):
answer is no, no, never, And that's coming from somebody
who like, my entire life is movies in every way. Yeah,
my favorite things are movies. But I make a living
on our movies. Everything is movies. But I I don't
even think. I think that if you get a sprained
ankle on a set, somebody should be in trouble. Yeah,
you know, unless the actor is straight up like I
just ran up that hill like a dumbass or whatever.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
On Not Quite Hollywood, the the Ouspilitation documentary, there's that
scene where they're talking about the movie Turkey Shoot and
Steve Railsback is talking about how David Hemming's had the
scene where Olivia Hussey was going to chop off what's
his face's hands with that sword and he goes, okay,
cut and she did not. Nobody instructed her about cutting.
So she's about to literally take the sword and chop
dude's hands and he had to come and run it
and be like no, no, no, no, don't don't cut, don't cut.

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I mean, it's there's a lot of a that needs
to be brought to those kind of things.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Well and well that's a whole other thing, a whole
other with actual sharp blades and stuff. I have a
friend I don't know if she'd want me to talk
about it, but who got very hurt by handling a
blade that she was handled handed and not told that
it was sharp. Yeah, Usually, unless it's a very brief sequence,
we would never have a sharp knife on set at all.
We would have a knife that had been dulled, and

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we would maybe warned that the tip is still pretty pointy,
because it's hard to get rid of a tip. But
it's safety should be the number one priority. Absolutely, And
now as much as it is it, you know, some
people hate it because it's you know, they're purists or whatever.
For the most part, I just don't see a reason
to have blank firing guns on.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
A movie set.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
CG does it great, And I know that it's like
but all the movies we loved watching were like that.
It's like, yeah, but that's not a reason. Well, and
but people did get hurt. Yeah, and you can you
can watch well pieces about people getting hurt.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
We were just talking about it last week. How There
on the Road of British episode how the Tommy gun
was first introduced in nineteen thirty two Scarface, and there's
rumor that they were literally firing at people and telling
them to get out of the way. Yeah, given that's
you know, that's thirty two.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
And granted though, and if that was true, we're probably
missing some detail that made it at least half as dangerous, yeah,
if not more, because even in nineteen thirty two, like
lawyers existed and people could still die. Yeah, so I'm
pretty sure that death and lawyers were invented within six
years of each other.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
In the seventies, we didn't believe in death yet, we
didn't believe it was the eighties.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
We didn't know kids could die yet. That's quoting my
own movie yet, quoting your own moviet Yeah. Yeah, but
it was the eighties, we didn't know kids could die.
Also says that's so perfect. He does he had children
in the eighties, so he got it. But no, So
I just wanted to harp on that because I really,
I so desperately care about that.

Speaker 5 (54:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Well, and it's not just injuries either. I heat stroke,
extreme cold, frostbite. I worked on a movie last year
in March, and I got my thigh and I was prepared,
and my thigh got so badly frostbitten that it didn't
regain full feeling for almost eight months.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Jesus.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
I actually I didn't talk about it because what can
you do. But I actually, for a little while when
it would have been months and it was still kind
of numb, I was actually worried that I had like
a nerve disorder.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Jesus.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
I mean, it would have been mild at that time,
but I kept an eye on it because the side
of your thigh is not full of nerve endings anyway,
like when you scratch it, you can't feel how many
nails are on it or whatever anyway, because it's just
not that advanced of a feeling. But like that was,
with me wearing long John's and thick pants and trying

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my best to stay safe, I still ended up too
cold because you can only do so much. And I
once got heat exhaustion on a movie set and it
wasn't my I mean, it was my fault. At the
end of the day. You know, the production had said
multiple times, like we have water over here and stuff,
and I was like, yeah, but I want to get
all the stuff done. And I'm nineteen and dah dah dah,

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dah dah. And that's why I have a saying on set,
which is remember four minutes for you to drink a
bottle of water beats the hell out of forty five
minutes waiting for an ambulance. Yeah, so don't be afraid
to say, can I have a second just to drink
a bottle of water? Because you'll never hear no.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Yeah, you just won't.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
I mean you might hear uh, we'll get a bottle
of water to you in five minutes.

Speaker 6 (56:26):
You know.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
That's the worst you're gonna get, is like, where's a
bottle of water? But usually they're never far away anyway.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
No, And I mean, and I remember, I'm not gonna
name names, but I remember there's people that we've worked
with on set, on your sets that would not seek help.
And you were just like all right, I like, if
you're gonna do this, you're not gonna impress me like
I would rather you.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
I used to say, remember you don't get bonus points
for suffering. Yeah, that was my favorite thing to say
to people who were just kind of like, oh no,
I'll just keep walking. I don't need a chair to
sit in or whatever. I'm like you should. There's a
chair just empty right there, sitting it for five seconds. Yeah,
rest your damn feet, like you're not gonna get like,
I mean, the only way gonna press me as if
you crucify yourself, and even then only if you rise

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after three days. Sorry, Easter was just that's okay.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
So yeah, moving down to our cast, we also have
Michael Wincott in the film, who plays Top Dollar. Did
not realize this man's resume until I was looking. Oh yeah,
so he gets to start in nineteen seventy nine on
a film called Title Shot. Goes on to be in
An American Christmas Carol in seventy nine, The Family Man
in seventy nine, Wild Horse Hank in seventy nine, Ticket
to Heaven, The Littlest Hobo Curtains in eighty three. I

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did not know he was in that until I pulled
it up the other night, because I was like, where
is he? Oh some of those faces, Yeah, he absolutely is.
Night Heat in eighty five, The Sicilian Crime Story, Talk
Radio in eighty eight, The Equalizer series Bloodhounds on Broadway
Born on the fourth of July, and eighty nine The
Doors Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves, Romeo is bleeding, The
Three Musketeers, The Crow in ninety four, then goes on

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to be in Panther dead Man in ninety five, Strange
Days in ninety five, Strangers Metro in ninety seven with
Eddie Murphy, which he plays a vicious killer in Metro,
like his Ni Sholl introduction to that movie, when he
stabs a cop is one of the most brutal scenes.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
As opposed to how generally childlike and cute stabbing a
cop as.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
In most movie. I mean, it's just you don't expect no, no,
it's a.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Really good scene. I'm just trying to bring a little eleven.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Yeah, I get you. Alien Resurrection in ninety seven, Gun
Shy in ninety eight, Hiddenn Agenda Along Came a Spider
in two thousand and one, Count of Monte Cristo, Treasure Planet,
Seraphim Falls, The Diving Bell, and the Butterfly in two
thousand and seven, What Just Happened in eight, Hitchcock in
twenty twelve, twenty four, Live Another Day in twenty fourteen,
Knights of Cups in twenty fifteen, Westworld in twenty sixteen,

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and most recently Nope in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Which is a highly memorable character so good.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
He one of my favorites when he.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
When he basically Bill Shatner's purple flying Purple people eater.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Is I'll never forget that sequence. Yeah, because it was
one of those things that it started happening and you're
just kind of like watching it. We're just kind of
like and then as you in your brain goes, this
is what's happening, You're like, am I witnessing this right now?

Speaker 1 (58:58):
It was?

Speaker 2 (58:59):
It was so good. I was actually just saw people
on social media bitching about Nope, and I was like, yeah,
you guys, really some people hated it. I mean, some
people hate everything, but I really liked Nope. So I
was just kind of shocked when I saw people just
bitching and bitching about it.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
So many good moments too. The opening alone makes that movie.
The opening, the opening, The opening of Nope alone makes
that movie.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Then opening of Ope, would you stop it? Oh sorry,
sir from Ohio? I say, oh, what do you want?

Speaker 1 (59:27):
So?

Speaker 3 (59:28):
We also have Ernie Hudson in the cast, who plays
Sergent Albrecht in the film two hundred and sixty credits
on his resume.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
That doesn't surprise me. He's incredible.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
It didn't surprise me, but I guess I just didn't
realize how much he has been working and it's been NonStop.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Yeah. No, he's always There's always worked for him because
he's so authoritative and gentle at the same time.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Do you know.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
So he gets a start in nineteen seventy six on
Lead Belly. Then in seventy six he's also in The
Human Tornado.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Really yes, man.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
So then he goes on to be in The Management
Atlantis in seventy seven, Fantasy Island, Last of the Good
Guy Roots, The Next Generation in seventy nine, The White Shadow,
The Main Event, The Octagon in nineteen eighty, Jazz Singer, Taxi,
Penitentiary in eighty two, Space Hunter in eighty three, Going
Berserk the eighteen. Then in eighty four he gets Ghostbusters,
Joy of Sex and eighty four, super Friends in eighty five,

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Give Me a Break, Full House, The Wrong Guys, Leviathan
in eighty nine, A Collision Course in eighty nine, Ghostbusters
two in eighty nine, Cop Rock in nineteen ninety, Hell
yeah in Top Rock, Hand That Rocks the Cradle in
ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Oh yeah, which is that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Should probably be a future episode? I really liked that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
What oh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Whenever I hear Hand That Rocks the Cradle, I think
of the episode of Blossom where they make a home
movie and it's hand that chokes the baby. That's why
I chuckled, because they did a couple of day did
an Aliens parody one time too, that was very funny.
I love Blossom growing up. I'm not ashamed.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
The Ben Stiller Show in ninety two, Batman the animated
series in ninety two, Tails from the Crip in ninety three,
sugar Hill, then does the Crowd in ninety four, follows
up up with No Escape in ninety four, that Rayliota movie,
then The Cowboy Way in ninety four, Airheads in ninety four,
Speechless in ninety four, The Basketball Diaries in ninety five,
Congo in ninety five, Grace under Fire, The Substitute, The
Cherokee Kid, Mister Magoo Rless. Then in ninety seven he

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lands a little series called Oz.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Which is one of his finest roles. Yeah, because Leo Glynn.
He plays the warden of the prison. He's so multifaceted,
he has so much going on. He's so complicated. You
think you have him figured out and you never really do. Yeah,
he's it's one of the best roles he's ever he's
ever portrayed, and he's portrayed so many great ones. I

(01:01:41):
mean his When I revisited Ghostbusters as an adult effort,
not seeing it for nine ten years or something, Yeah,
I was shocked how much his character was my favorite
bar nune Ye, because everybody else was a cartoon and
then he was just a guy.

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
And and now that you know, as as an adult,
I'm watching it and like him saying like I'm saying, like,
do you believe the parently is like I believe in
whatever gets to be a paycheck. And I was like,
I I identify with this man.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
If I do have bills, I'll believe whatever you say.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Yeah, I'll believe whatever you say. No, And he's but
he's so earnest in it too. He's not He's not cynical.
He's just very honest about the fact that his pragmatism
is I got a family, Yeah, I gotta make money.
I'm just I'm just happy to be here, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
So Oz in ninety seven, then Shark Attack in ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Okay, I stand corrected, that's finest performance.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
The Watcher with Keanu Reeves in two thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
I stand corrected again.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Miscongeniality in two thousand, I ever would in two thousand
and two with Treat Williams. Oh yeah, mis congeniality to you,
Armed and Fabulous in two thousand and five, You are
Hood of stoop Dog's Hood of Horror in two thousand
and six, kind of like, do you remember his story?
It's been so they did a remake of the story
and teal from the crip with the military or the
military guys that are in the institution that the guy

(01:02:59):
takes over completely, like takes away their blankets, takes away they're.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Like the House for the Blind. Yeah, in the original
talesmen cripp.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Yeah, because it's that that the chick and the and
the military guy move into their place and they fuck
up the same thing, and that's and then they turn
on them. Man, I need to revisit that. I need
to watch Bones, Bones holds up. I still like Bones
a lot. Hood of Horror has problems.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
I would I'm I'm now getting so old that things
I kind of liked. Yeah, the nostalgia and age on
them makes them great. So I would be really curious
to revisit that one.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Bones is a lot of fun. Desperate House five, two
thousand and four, Bones in two thousand and eight.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Well, but for the record, Bones doesn't need nostalgia. Bones
is just a solid fucking horror movie.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
Yeah, Dragonball Evolution. Torch would Hearted Dixie Scandal, Ghostbusters twenty sixteen,
leave the Weapon, the series in twenty sixteen, Ghostbusters Afterlife,
and most recently Firebugs in twenty twenty four, which is
a TV Seriously, he does a voice on. He does
a lot of voice work.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Well, dude's got an incredible voice.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Yeah, absolutely does. So what was your first time watching the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Well, you know, if you had told me that, or
if you'd asked me that question a year and a
half ago, I would have said I would guess that
I watched it on tape or on TV. But when
I went to see it in the theater with you
when it was being revived, I realized, Well. I started
to say to myself, like have I seen this in

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the theater before? I asked my mother, and my mother like, oh,
your sister took you, And I was like, of course
she did. She was like sixteen years old, she had
a car. I was eight or so, and I loved
movies and it was one of I'm sure it was
one of those like well, take your brother. He likes
that stuff. And I was obsessed with Bruce Lee, like
very obsessed. My sister was obsessed with The Crow. We

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had the soundtrack and she was always playing it on
her fucking June Your boombox in her bedroom. And I
remember very little, but I remember seeing it in the theater,
being startled by some of the violence because it was
very like in your face, very MTV, and it obviously
left an impression. Then I remember, you know, a year
and a half later, renting it on tape. I remember

(01:05:05):
catching it on cable here and there. The Crow has
always been around, and I don't know anybody who doesn't
like the Crow, to the point where it is funny
to me to say I don't like the Crow to
you because you like it so much, because I literally
don't know anybody was like, eh, the Crow's kind of overrate.
I don't know anybody like that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
So when I think of The Crow, I think of
the fact that it was like, it was very representative
of gen X, which I was looking up to being
an older millennial. All my sister was gen X, all
of her friends were gen X, so and that movie
was just such a seminal gen X Movieah, so that's

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I mean, that's how I remember seeing it. And then
I think I revisited it on DVD in my early twenties,
like I rented it from somewhere, and I've always liked it,
but it was really awesome seeing in the theater that
last time. It made me realize how how much I
do like the movie, but how silly it is in
some ways great and in some ways just really silly.

(01:06:11):
Like him. I had completely forgotten until we were in
the theater that he like shreds a guitar on top
of the building. Yes, And I was like, oh my god.
I mean it's cool, but like it's almost too much,
Like it's almost too much.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
It's a little too much. So if you want to
pull up that video, I'll explain. So, oh geez, the
crow is seminal to me because this is this is
one I had on VHS and the way that I'm
able to figure out my movies is VHS two DVD
ratio in that sense. And I had gotten my first
two VHS tapes that I had ever bought in myself

(01:06:47):
at the flea market, and one was Ferris Bueler's Day
Off and the other was Ransom and Ransom just so
happened to have this trailer on. It's on the tape which.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
We're about to take a look at. Here goes Nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
So this is the first time that I'm ever seeing
like anything about the Crow.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
Really.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
Oh so you got Judge dread.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Some bitchy stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Then we go into terminal velocity, only showing the scenes
at the end.

Speaker 7 (01:07:19):
Well, of course, because that's where all the action. I
love Tombstone, but that's where the big action is. Yeah,
dimension of course, the finest of them for the Crow.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
So my initial look of this movie is, Okay, it's
just it's it's a horror film.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
It does look like a horror movie. And I would
say that it's debata Pillar of Night. Of Night. I
would say it's debatably a horror movie.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
I mean, it's in horror if you buy it. Meth
Wade hand rocks the cradle, the hand that chokes the
baby Crimson inside. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Yeah, oh yeah, I remember the music and everything, the
era of the music videos at the beginning of your
DVDs and the residents.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Yeah, again only showing the end of the robbery.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Well, you'd also get really interesting combos Bad Company Company,
you'd get like a really interesting combination to pulp fiction
fiction because sometimes stuff would be released nowhere near each
other in theaters, but they'd all come out on video
at the same time, especially when DVD came out, because
then it would be like, we're releasing everything from the Night.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
Pulp fiction.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Yeah, and now we're getting a recap of all these
excellent releases. Man, I mean, this stuff is just is
so early too.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
I remember the music like Verbatos continue, and what hilarious
is to find that trailer to send to you. I
literally just typed in the Crow Tombstone, Color of Night,
Guilty of Sin and found it because it's a pitching
guitar solo like Hollywood Pictures, Mirrormax, et cetera lineup basically.
So so that was my initial concept of the Crow.

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So fast forward about a year later, maybe even half
year later, and I'm at the I'm at Caesar's Creek
flea market with my dad. We've actually set up to
sell there, okay, and so I went there specifically to
hang out with him and also sell some stuff, but
also shop. And there was a booth that had a
bunch of horror stuff, and I wanted to get a
copy of from dustilled On. Got my copy from dustilled On.

(01:09:19):
I was happy. That's really all I needed. So then
it was towards like midway through the day or so,
and Dad's like, why don't you go like walk around, like,
you know, see what else is out there? And I
was like, okay. So I find myself over by this,
by this booth and there's just these two rubber maid
containers full of VHS tapes and two guys are talking,
and I go into one and I pick up the
crow right on the top, and I'm just like, I

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bet I would like this movie. Didn't really know anything
about it at this point, just had known that trailer
and had known that like it was an action movie
with some horror elements and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
I want to mention I feel like at a flea market, Yeah,
anytime I see a rubber maid container, I'm like, that
better be full of VHS tapes or baby alligators. If
not both, Oh, go ahead and get one. No, they
can barely take your finger yet, that's fair.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
So funny enough. I pick up the crow and the
guy is like, I was like, oh, yeah, I watched
that last night. It's a great movie, you know, it's
sad about the guy, which I didn't even know about
Brandon Lee's death at that point, so I was like, yeah,
you know, just making small talk with an adult. And
so I grabbed the crow buy it from him for
like a dollar, and then this guy comes and buys
the entire tub of VHS tapes that he was talking to,
So go home with from Dust Till Dawn and the

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Crow watch him both. And I remember the Crow ending
and me actually being like I kind of want to
watch that again. And I watched it again right after,
and I don't do that often, Like that's were you exactly?
I had to pretend like twelve thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Oh probably yep, yep, yeah, you were, like I am
Eric Craven. That's how every teenager or.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
I mean, I may I may even been in eleven eleven, eleven,
twelve thirteen, we'll say it somewhere in there, but yeah,
it was. It was a it was a feeling of
I want to watch that again immediately, and I hadn't
really done that like that was that was not something
I did often.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
I just imagine after the second viewing, just like walking
into the doorway of your mom and dad with like
a blanket round your shoulder and my mom dad, where's
the hot topic?

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
If I it's so funny story enough, If I, if
I had planned the show a little bit better, I
was going to try to institute a gag where the
more we just kept cutting back to me, just crow
makeup kept playing going on the cop if I talked about.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Part of me was like, if we weren't going to
the movies, I wouldn't be shocked if you had you'd
done that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
It was, it was, it was a thought.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
It's one of my favorite gags in the South Park movie.
Nobody dress them like the crow by the time of
the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
That's just how that's the seperwin right after his passage.
Oh yeah, but yeah, So ended up loving it and naturally,
you know, ended up upgrading on DVD. And it was
one that I showed to a couple of friends even
I think I even showed to my parents honestly, And so,
I mean it was it was a seminal moment that
that that when that tape hit my VCR. Sure, so

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it's one that I go back to. I this is
a movie that I literally watch every year, if not
multiple times each year.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
So as a teenager when you went through a breakup,
did you like blare the opening theme and like put
on makeup looking in the mirror at yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
For the record, I did not get the soundtracked until
like probably like two or three years of owning the
VHS or even the DVD at that point. And then
once I got to the soundtrack, there was no going back.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
No, there is no that's a good soundtrack too.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
And I mean, and to be honest to you, I
didn't watch the sequels for years. Well. I remember specifically
getting City of Angels for a Christmas gift one year
because I told my dad because that was back in
the days of Dad doing eBay constantly, and I was like, hey,
can you look for this? And sure shit, it surprised
under the Christmas tree the net last year.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
I remember the first Crow sequel because I remember my
sister when it was over, we watched it on tape.
I remember when it was over her hitting the rewind
button with anger. I'm serious, I believe she was pissed.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
It had to have been City of Angels, right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
I'm assuming that was the first one, the first sequel.
It was that one for sure. Yeah, yeah, she was
like literally just like like I'm taking this back, but yeah,
it was.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
It was a movie that made an impact on me.
And then also genuine love for Brandon Lee and sadness
that he was taken from us because I think this is,
you know, his absolute best performance.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Well yeah, although he was actually really so I love.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
Him in Rapid Fire is he's really good and showdown
a little Tokyo And even most recently, I just saw
Legacy of Rage, which is the Hong Kong movie he did,
which is done by the director of Bride of Chucky.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Is escaping me around? Yeah, it's uh shit, yeah it's
it's annoying.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
I'll look but yeah, no, I but I mean Lee
Lee's performance in this movie is memorable. Ronnie, you yeah,
is memorable. It is when you when I tell you
who was up originally for this movie, you will ship.
That's all I'll say.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Well, I also want to mention my sister had Rapid
Fire and Laser Mission in her personal VHS car.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
I've never seen Laser Mission to this day. I want
to pathetic. Well, it's it's public domain, so I don't
know what is a good copy. How the hell did
laser Mission become public dame, it's public domain. I think.
I'm pretty sure because I've seen a lot of releases
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Could be.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Yeah, but yeah, I want to see that one. But yeah,
legacy erasers when I knocked off the list finally. But yeah,
I mean this this is just fuck it. Let's just
get into it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
So we open on Devil's Night. We are in a
wide shot. We're seeing a lot of fires in these
city scapes, and the city scapes are are miniatures, really
well done miniatures for.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Their budget, for their budget. I mean, I'm not trying
to pick on them, it's just the four K especially
just really shows the limitations of what they could do
with the miniatures and with the cars, with the cars,
with the the compositing of the fire and stuff like that.
You can, but it feeds that kind of comic bookiness,
just like when he's on top of the roof and

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it's so clearly not real. It does feed that aesthetic
quite a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
Oh it does. But I mean, and the Gramm Ravelle
score kicks in throughout this movie and starts right at
the and we hear Sarah, a voiceover of Sarah say,
people once believe that when someone dies, a crow carries
their soul to the land of the dead. But sometimes
something so bad happens that a terrible sadness is carried
with it and the soul can't rest. Then sometimes, just
sometimes the crow can bring that soul back to put

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the wrong things right now.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
I don't know what people, but that was my first
thought when I was watching it today, is I was like, Okay,
that's one of those things you do where you go
people say this. Yeah, So it's a sweet opening though
it is.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
And we're flying with the crow. The crow eventually comes
up to Eric and Shelley's apartment window, where we see
all brick Ernie Hudson standing out of a broken glass window,
and we look down we see Eric is dead on
the street, Shelley is inside being taken care of by medics,
and basically we get the reporting that there's one hundred
and forty three fires in the city going on right
now for Devil's Night because Top Dollars gang that's their tradition.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Well, and one of the cops comment says like they
must have been lazy this year because last year was worse. Yeah,
which tells you, well, this takes place in Detroit.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
Right, Detroit, yes, yeah, and a ravage in a ravaged
and decrepit Detroit as Wikipedia described.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
It, Detroit, so I said, Detroit.

Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
So we find out that Shelley has been assaulted and
she's seriously wounded. The medics are attending to her. Eric
was thrown out of the window or shot out of
the window. We're not one hundred percent sure at that point,
and that tomorrow was going to be their wedding. So
they are murdered before, well, murdered an attack before their wedding.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Well, and one of the haunting lines and somebody says
who gets married on Halloween? Gets married on Halloween and
Hudson says, no one, nobody, because they're both dead. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
So Albrecht is told by the medic he's like, you know,
we got to move her, and he's like, you know,
go ahead and do it. So they get her outside.
By this point, Sarah rolls up on her skateboard and
she's like, you know, what's going on and he's like,
you know, hey, you know, Shelley your sister. She's gonna
be okay. And she's like, oh, you know, Shelley's not
my sister. She just takes care of me, her and Eric. Yeah,
and he's and she's like, you lied to her because

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she even asked on Eric. And he's like, oh, he's okay, Like,
you know, we just got to get you taken care of.
They get Shelley out. He's like, you're lying to me
about Shelley too.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Now that's probably the thing that I didn't recall until
I rewatched it much later. Yeah, was how sad that
whole element is. Yeah, because Eric and Shelley appear to
be bizarrely good people living in a place where not
a lot of good people live.

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
No, and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
The cruelty of that city just kind of swallows everybody up. Yeah,
So it's kind of a it's not kind of it's
deeply heartbreaking.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
And we also meet one of the ship bag cops
I'll call him, which is played by Marco Rodriguez who
was Torres, and he's the superior to Albrecht and basically
tells him that they shouldn't move Shelley without his authorization.
And this is where we kind of get a taste
that him and Allbrick don't get along.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Don't say.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
So.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
One year later, we see that Sarah's visiting the grave.
We also see that a crow flies to the grave,
lands on it, and pecks it. And shortly after that
Eric rises back from the grave.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Yes he does, and we don't waste a lot of time.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
We don't, Unlike twenty twenty four, what do you mean?
You know where? Technically he is crow adjacent forty five
minutes into the movie, you mean, and then the last
twenty minutes he's full on crowed.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
But in their defense, that time was necessary for them
to establish the deep depth of love. You're gonna fucking me.
You brought it up.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
You brought it up.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Man, I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
I'd make My favorite part of our experience of seeing
Crow twenty twenty four was you just leaning over to
me and realizing it was okay for you to make
jokes finally, because I I sincereously want to know you
wanted to be a good friend.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
And I was like, what if what if Dave really
digs this like this movie and I just don't. I'm
not gonna piss all over And I was like this
is not good. And then I was like no, I know,
I know, no, Because because they do such a good
job in the original Crow of establishing how in love
Eric and Shelley are and how deep their love goes,

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and how and how important they were to each other.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
Whereas Scars Guard and FKA Twigs are two toxic people
that break out of a rehab center together.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
They knew each other for weeks. I mean, wouldn't you
rise from the dead for a when you met? You know,
a week or two?

Speaker 5 (01:19:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Yeah, yeah, actually you might.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
I think it's a week. I don't even think it's weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
It could be that short.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
I think it's weak.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
I I don't. I don't trust your memory of such trauma.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
Well here, so here's the thing. I have now seen
that movie unfortunately three times? What twice in theaters?

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
Who?

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
Why did you do? Why do you hate you?

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
You and I saw it for the first time obviously right,
And then my friend Tosh asked me because she was like,
no one else will go with me? Will you go
see this?

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
And they're all correct.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
I mean I did say that. I was like, I'm
not gonna have a good time, but yeah, I'll absolutely
go see it with you. So we went to see it.
At the very end, she was like, that's not very good,
and I was like, I know, right then, Slice and
I and our friend Melissa the day before Valentine's Day.
I wanted, I wanted. They had not seen it yet,
and Melissa is a huge Crow fan, so I was like,
So you were like, don't watch it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:02):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
I was like, if you're gonna watch it, let's all
watch it together. I will put myself through it, and
we like to give you perspective. I was streaming my
my laptop to my TV and we were watching it
through Discord, so like I had a screen like.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
This big on my TV and it was too big.
That was too much, too much.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
Yeah, so yeah, I've seen twenty twenty four and I
technically own it digitally in four K, Now.

Speaker 5 (01:20:25):
I I.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Don't know why, Like people say, you pick on Dave
too much. Do you see like Dave treats himself.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
I am kind of a cinemasochist, I guess you could say,
and in the sense I'm not touching that one, that's fair. Well,
I mean no, I mean that's it. But yeah, anyway,
back to the good movie. So by this point, yeah,
he comes out of the grave. He's screaming and like
the rain's coming down. At this point, and also all
this is going on, we meet T Bird and fun

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Boy and the rest of the little party pals as
he calls um, they're getting ready to blow up an
arcade and uh, like you do, Yeah, just like you do.
So we see them set a bomb, we see them
smashing machines, we see him set the bomb, and then
they go out. They're driving. While this is all going on,
Eric's climbing out of the hole. He's trying to figure
out what's going on. And we also see that Sarah
is now friends with Albrecht, who's at a hot dog

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stand and he's getting his hot dog. Sarah rides up
and he offers to buy her dinner. Then behind them
the building explodes and that gets their attention pretty quick.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
One quick question though, Yes, it would be fair to
say that Draven climbed out of his hole just to
run rock and roll.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
I saw where you were going with that. I love
that cover her.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Demo demo recording Man Behind the Mask.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
Done to what became the song trick Bag by Alice Cooper.
Title available on Constrictor. So why T Bird and his
gang getting a car? They're driving They passed some cops,
but the cops don't come after them. By this point, though,
Eric has gone back to his original apartment building and

(01:22:00):
he's gone up. There's still caution tape on the door.
And keep in mind this is one year later, so
the building is basically empty at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
They were already the only people living there appeared.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
Yeah, yeah, So he goes in. He finds his old cat, Gabriel,
who bites him. And while this is going on, while
he's inside his apartment, we get flashbacks of what happened
and Shelley was home alone. T Bird bust in because
we find out that Shelley was fighting a viction in
that building owned by Top Dollar and she was basically
putting out that like the building was not safe, there

(01:22:29):
was a lot of code violations and all this stuff,
and so Top Dollars sent them in to deal with her.
So she gets attacked by them. She gets raped by them.
Eric comes in, he gets stabbed as soon as he
walks in the door, sees them basically assault Shelley, and
then they end up putting him in front of the window,
shooting him and he falls out. While all this is happening,
we're seeing the flashback, and he also jumps out of

(01:22:49):
the window, grabs onto this glass and swings and comes
back in and we see his hands completely heal themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Which is a great showdown tell moment to really get
across that he's some kind of supernatural being. Yeah, has
his cut up hands, heel and it's a very it's
a it's a classic moment of the movie. One of
the most memorable images of him swinging through Yeah, it's
it's all. I mean, any moment where where Brandon Lee
is the crew crow is doing something physical, Yeah, became

(01:23:16):
like everything to every teenage girl.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
Well hey, and speaking of physical activities, then we cut
to the pit, the local bar, yes, where we find
t Bird and his party pals taking bullet shots. And
no that's not just the name of the shot. They
are literally swallowed swallowing bullets and taking a shot with it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Which I don't really recommend.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
Would that like if you farted, that would would that
like blow out.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
Of your It would depend depend on your barrel size.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
Yeah, Like I just don't know, like what that would
essentially do to you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
I mean it wouldn't be good. You'd probably get lead poisoning.
Oh yeah, depend I don't know, or it might just
pass out as one whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
That's a horrible thing. I just imagine just going to
ship that out and just like shooting.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Your toilet like Elvis Presley.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
I don't like the show, so naturally they're they're they're
having a good time, swallowing their bullets and also doing
their fire it up, Fire it up, Fire it Up.
That draws over Darla, who is the waitress at the
bar and also fun Boy's girlfriend, and that's when we
meet fun Boy, Darla, the rest of the whole crew
at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Yes, yes, and they're all just living their best incredibly
shady lives. Yes, everything is so dirty and sad, yes,
deeply so.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
Later on we also see that t Bird has to
go see Top Dollar and he goes into the club
and we see that the band's performing. We also meet
Grange played by the late great Tony Todd, who is
Top dollars right hand man, and he's like, you know,
is he busy? And he's like he's having a meeting?
Where is He's actually just I think killed a prostitude
or a young woman, I can't tell which, and they're
getting ready to cut her eyes out.

Speaker 5 (01:24:56):
Well, like you do, like you do.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
Tony Todd's performance in this movie is really interesting. Yeah,
because everybody is larger than life except him.

Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
Yeah, he's just.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Like their accountant.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
Yeah, like he is just a.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Very normal guy in a very abnormal situation.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
Well, I mean you've got so You've got David Patrick
Kelly who plays t Bird, which is he's the guy
from the Warriors. He's in k Pax, He's in Twin Peaks.
I mean, he's in a bunch of stuff. You've got
Lawrence Mason who plays Tin Tin, and you've got Michael
Massey who plays fun Boy from Tails the Hood and
a bunch of other things, and even Angel David who
plays Skank, which is a hell of a character. Yeah.

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So we meet top Dollar and his sister, who is
who's played by Bi Ling, whose name is Micah, and
we just get a sense that Top Dollar is a
guy you don't want to fuck with.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
What makes you think that?

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
Well, the deep Michael Wincott voice for one, Yeah, and
the hair, and he also is looking at a snow globe,
like a really gothic snow globe, and he basically says
that my father told me childhood's over the moment, you know,
you're gonna die. That's like how we meet top Dollar. Yeah,
and then he's like, you know, make him passes at
his sisters. They're also smoking that chick's eyes at one

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point in the next scene.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
To yeah, yeah, these villains are something.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
So cutting back to Eric, he decides that he is
going to uh get himself all crowed up, and he
has flashbacks of what happened to Shelley. He gets Rachel,
punches the mirror, puts on his makeup while the Cure
plays burn which is one of my favorite songs off
the soundtrack.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
He chooses the look of the crow based on a
mask I'm assuming he was going to wear on Halloween, Yeah, which.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
Was a min Yeah my mask. What there's a name
for it with with it's the laughter and the sad face.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Well that's the drama and comedy faces.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
Yeah, but there isn't there another name for it? Yeah?
I think there is. But yeah, he punches the mirror.
We slip into Burned by the Cure and he's putting
on the makeup. He's putting on his coat. Comedy and
tragedy mask codan trend may Okay, So then he is
just jumping from rooftops rooftop because he is now on
the hunt for Tintin. And we meet Tintin, who is
visiting Gideon's pawn shop because he's just robbed and or

(01:27:07):
killed somebody, and Gideon is like, you know, oh, you know,
well there's blood on this purse. You know, I'll give you.
I'll give you twenty bucks. That's the best I can
give you. Him and ten Tin have a relationship of
selling stuff, but he knows exactly where it comes from.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Yeah, So Gideon kicks Tintin out and he locks up,
and that's when Eric eventually reaches Gideon's pawn shop, knocks
on the glass and Gideon's like, we're closed. But that
is not going to phase mister Draven. As he breaks
through the glass, the crow flies through, and he quotes
Poe as he walks in and says, suddenly there came
a tapping, as is someone gently rapping, rapping at my

(01:27:40):
chamber door.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
That was a raven.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
Yeah, I'm sure, oh, speaking of ravens that wait for
the trivia Oh okay, oh yeah. So he basically says,
you know, I want to know where Tintin is. I'm
looking for an engagement ring. And he's like, you know,
you're looking for a corner. Shit for brains shoots him
right in the hand and that's when he looks at
it hand. He's laughing, he's acting like it's hurt, and
then he shows Gideon as his hands completely just closes

(01:28:04):
up and laughs more.

Speaker 4 (01:28:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
It's a it's a pretty great like superhero moment. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
So he ends up getting it out of Gideon that
where the rings are, and he goes through and we
see him going through the box and he finally is like, no,
that's not it, that's not it, and then he finds one.
Flashes back to him giving Shelley the ring, which was
a really sweet proposal of her going into the attic
and he had everything set up for her. So the
they were together for years at this point. Yeah, versus
twenty twenty four, which was a week.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Again, I didn't even bring it up.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
No, I'm just I wanted that movie to be good
so bad.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
I know, buddy, I know, I know, And but you know,
watching it two more times did it help it made
it better?

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
Right? No?

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
No, it didn't. Actually no, although I will say the
soundtrack on that movie's not bad. It's got some It's
got some pretty good songs, not not as great as
the Crow soundtrack. The Crow soundtrack from ninety four is amazing.
Twenty twenty four soundtrack has a couple good cuts.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
What I feel like the best response to just look
at you, just keep looking. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
So he gets the ring and he confronts Gideon and
he's like, you know, h Tin or oh wait, no,
I'm actually getting ahead of myself. So he actually falls
off a roof in front of ten ten and that's
how they get into the fight. So Tin Tin is like,
you know, what are you all paying up for? Crackhead?
Halloween's not until tomorrow. They get into a fight. He
can even Tintin confesses that, you know, he's the one
that killed Shelley, and then Draven stabs him with all

(01:29:25):
of Tintin's knives because tim Tin is a knife guy
mostly yeah, And so he gets all his knives stabbed
into him, and that's when he's like, you know, do
you like the coat when you're seeing Gideon confesses that
he killed Tin Tin. He can fight it to me
before he ran out of breath is the line, and
so that's when he tells him that fun Boy and
all those guys hang out at the pit. So now
his target is fun Boy and he's gonna go find
fun Boy because he lives above the pit.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
Right right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
But he also by this point is pointing a shotgun
at Gideon and pouring gas over the place and says,
you have one chance to live, and he's like, take
anything you want, and he's like, thank you. And then
as he's walking out, he's like, you know you're they're
gonna erase you. You're nothing but street grease, motherfucker. And
he's like, is that asilen I spell? He dumps the
rings into the shotgun and goes outside and blast and
blows up Gideon's paunch shop. He sure does, and Gideon

(01:30:08):
makes it out in time.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Yes, just barely the skin of his dick. And and
that's the thing. I mean, most of what this movie
really is is like the hyper romantic Gothy moments. Yeah,
with Draven kind of accepting his circumstance and then pretty
straightforward but very creative vengeance killings. Yeah, that's pretty much
the Crow. Yeah, yeah, no, it absolutely is.

Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
So from this point now he goes to see fun Boy,
fun Boy, and Darlar above the pit getting high in
his apartment. Eric comes in and like they're high, so
they don't even think he's real. And he's like, you know,
you should take your burd and leave Freako. And then
once again he's like, you know, take your shot, fumboy,
you got me dead. Bang fun Boy shoots him in
the hand. We get the whole laughing thing again, and
that's when he's like, holy shit, like don't you ever

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fucking die, shoots him some more. And that's when I
love it, because he uh, he shoots fun Boy and
right in the leg and he goes, look what did
to my sheets?

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
Yeah? I remember that even from when I was a kid.
I thought that was hilarious.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
So by this point, Darla is hiding in the bathroom.
She's got a straight razor Eric bust In and she
tries to swing at him. He knocks the razor from
her and then he takes her arm and he's like, look,
you know, mother is the name of God on the
lips of children. Your daughter's out on the street. Because
we find out that she's actually taking care of Sarah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Yeah, well she's Sarah's mother, Sarah's mother.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
Yeah, And so she is taking her arm and he
sucks the morphine out of her arm as he's as
he's talking to her and he's like, you know, go out,
your daughter's on the street. Leaves, and then fun Boy
is on the ground. Eric goes to him with a
syringe and he's like, you know, no, don't do it.
You're wasting it. By this point, Grange has now gotten
into fun Boy's apartment because Gideon has been found at

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the pit, and he's like, you know what's going on.
Darla comes down screaming, and when he gets upstairs, he
sees Eric go sh and ducks out the window, and
then Funboy now has a syringe in his chest of
blood of the crow symbol.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, Like I said, it's it's the
imagery strong. The revenge is very creative. Yeah, you know,
my comment wasn't to negate the film movie or that
there's a simplicity to the Crow. There is, which is fine.
It works very well for it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
Yeah, no, what I mean, and that's I think that's
what twenty twenty four is. I mean, there's a lot
of things that twenty twenty four is missing, but that
is one, especially where our villain is completely supernatural at
this point, there's a whole storyline going on with him
infecting younger people. And yeah, I could talk about that movie,
but I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
You don't know. Oh, I'm sorry, I'll stop bringing it up.

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
Then it's hard for me.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
I know it's called trauma. David. I'm surprised that a
year later, on the anniversary of the Crow remake coming out,
you didn't rise from the grave and get vengeance on.

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
It's coming everybody, It's coming literally next month. Actually, yeah,
because wasn't it, because it was right before my Bert. No, No,
it was October, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
I don't think it was October.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
Fuck it. Well, now I'm curious.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
I'll look at it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
So anyway, by this point, Allbrect has now found Tintin's
body and he's like, you know, this could be a
gang hit. We don't suspect anything. And also after Gideon's
pawnshot blows up, all Breck pulls up and he stops Draven,
and Draven immediately recognizes him and he's like, you know,
stop or I'll shoot, and he's like, I thought the
police always said freeze. And he's like, well, I'm the
police and I'm saying stop or I'll shoot. And I'm dead,

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so I move. It's Draven's line. Basically, we find out
that Draven still remembers all Breck, still remembers what he did,
and they kind of form an alliance at this point.
But that's when he goes to seem in As apartment.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
That right now August twenty third, Okay, that's the release
date of the Superior Crow.

Speaker 3 (01:33:46):
Superior Crow. I'll fucking kill you, I know. So he
goes to see all Breck, and all Brek by this
point has both alerted us as the audience that he
has been put on the beat by Torres because he
got a little too close to something back, and also
he's kind of suspecting that something might be up with
the anniversary of their death. He's even got a picture
of Eric's band Hangman's Curse, and he's drawing on him,

(01:34:08):
like the face makeup.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
Yeah, yeah, trying to put two and two together.

Speaker 3 (01:34:12):
So we meet all Or. We go to all rex
apartment and he's got his hat on. He's looking at
the picture and Eric comes in spooks him, and he's
looking at the picture and he's like nice likeness, So
he's figured it out.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
This is one of my favorite scenes. Yeah, because I
remember I said, like, it's funny, and then it's also funny.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
M hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
It's funny because it is legitimately funny. Yeah, and then
it's a little funny because it gets silly a few times.
But this is one of those really great sequences, genuine
where he's just talking with him. I love you know,
when he takes the cigarette from himuffs it says, you
should smoke these d But.

Speaker 3 (01:34:44):
My favorite, though, is when he comes in and he's like, uh,
He's like, you still have your hat on because he
doesn't have any pants, you still.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
Have your hat on. But the way he says it
is so like matter of fact. My point is that
that that these are the moments that make you see
what a fucking movie Brandon Lee was ready to be
because his levity is humanity goes right through the lens
and into you, and he had it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
He did.

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
And that's kind of the part that I hate about
those sequences where he gets to say the funny thing
here and there, because and like toward the end, you know,
when he's when he has the little levity moments when
he realizes he's you know, he could die again. Yeah,
I love that stuff. Because but I hate it because
he's so good and it's so clear even if the

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Crow would come out without that accident and had been
like a minor hit or even a kind of a flop,
I think he still would have ended up getting cast
and he would have a huge movie.

Speaker 3 (01:35:46):
And I mean this, this scene in particular both builds
the relationship for him in All Breck, because not only
do we find out that all Brecks stayed with Shelley
the entire time while she was fighting for her life,
and and he gets that by great by He's like,
you know, Shelley, you know, passed at this point. And
by this point, Eric goes up to grab his head
and he like sees his thoughts, sees or sees his
vision and everything, and he passes through it and he's like,

(01:36:07):
you know, can I help. He's like, don't touch me. Yeah,
and he's like, you stayed with her. He's like, I
saw I saw her through your eyes. You stayed with her.
And he's like, yeah, I was hoping she would come
out of it, and like, give me something to go
off of. And he basically says, you know, little things
to so Shelley seems so trivial, but now I found
that nothing's trivial because we also find out that all
Reck and his wife are separating, Yeah, and that's kind
of a moment for them to relate and everything. And

(01:36:28):
my favorite point of this whole thing is he basically
go he goes, so are you going to disappear now?
And he's like, actually, I thought i'd use your front door.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Yeah, that's another great line. Actually I thought i'd used
the front door. He's so good at saying those things
so matter of factly. Yeah, And honestly, you couldn't have
asked for a better person for these scenes, especially for
your big feature debut, your huge feature debut. Yeah. Then
being in these scenes with Ernie Hudson, who is just
one of the best actors of a generation. I mean,

(01:36:59):
he's so good at being subtle and earnest and authoritative
all at once. He could be so many things yeah
at the same time. So their chemistry is just right
there from the moment it starts. And I think that
a lot of that has to do with Ernie Hudson's experience,
because one of the best things you can do for
a younger actor is put them with somebody with much
more experience. Absolutely, because they'll they'll feed off each other.

(01:37:21):
It's very rare that somebody's so bad they make an
experienced actor worse. It's usually always the experienced actor makes
everybody better.

Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
Yeah, I actually so. I actually got to meet Ernie
Hudson back in two thousand, probably been like twenty ten
or so. It would have been at Scarefest, and I'm
naturally I was a huge Crow fan at that point too,
So I asked him, you know what it was like
working with Brandon, and he said, Brandon was just a
was just so human that he was just so fun
to talk to. He had a great sense of humor,
but also just loved being like there in the moment,

(01:37:50):
and that's why they had such great chemistry. And even
Ad lived most of that scene too.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
I believe that, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
So by this point now he knows that he's got
to go after t Bird, Skank and a couple other people.
So t Bird has gone to top Dollar at this
point told him that one of his crew got himself perished.
Tintin got all his blades stuck in his organs in
alphabetical order. One of my favorite line alphabetical order, and
I love it because he's like, oh well, homent of
silence for Poro Tintin does blow.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
Yeah, yeah, Top Dollar he's you know, he's he wears
his heart on his sleep. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
So Top Dollar reminds me and he's working for him tomorrow.
But also by this point, Gideon has been brought to
Top Dollar because they want to know why his pawn
chop exploded, and that's when he tells him that it
was His name was Draven, he had a bird. And
that's when Top Dollars heard enough of him and sticks
a sword right through Gideon's throat.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
Gideon played by the Great Joe Blito. By the way,
Oh yeah, yeah, Joe Alito is fantastic in this movie,
but fantastic and pretty much everything he's hit and.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
He was just that guy, yeah, like all of the
nineties in the early two thousands.

Speaker 3 (01:38:52):
So by this point now he's moving on to T Bird.
So T Bird and Skank have gone to T Bird's car.
They're waiting on to show up, but obviously fun Boy's
not gonna show up, huh. So that's when he sends
Skank into the gas station for road beers and smokes.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
I love the line road beers, road beers, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
Smokes, road beers, be quick. So fun story deleted scene
wise or chopped out of the movie entirely when this
was in the work print. There are two kids that
go into this convenience store when Skank's in there, that
start robbing it. Skank gets shot. That's why he's limping
when he's chasing the car.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
Oh yeah, he is limping.

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
Mm hmm. Yeah, he gets shot by the kids that
are trying to rob the convenience store. So anyway, uh,
Draven is actually in Tiebird's car and tie Bird goes
to light of smoke. The wind blows and Draven pops out,
points a gun on him and says, you know, you know,
who the fuck are you? And he's like, I'm your passenger. Drive.
So he's driving tee Bird through the city. They get
the cops attention by this point. But anyway, fun Boy's
chasing him and he ends up stealing a car and

(01:39:52):
also chasing him, gets ran into by the cops. It's
a whole fucking sequence.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
Fun Boy, by the way, runs in the middle of
the street to see what's going on, gets hit by
a car. Oh sorry, what was his name?

Speaker 3 (01:40:01):
Skank skank.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
Oh yes, skank skank gets hit by a car.

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
The guy gets out of the car and goes, what's
wrong with you hit my car? Stupid ass hair, You
hit my car with your body. Stupid ass hair, you
hit my car. But like you're a pedestrian. He's yelling
at the pedestrian you get with his car, and then
he steals.

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
The seals his car, gets him in the nuts, steals
his car because I love god damp Ford cars. Because
then you also have the cops. So Teebird is racing
because he dreams got his gun on him. They go
past his alley and the cops are having their coffee
and he's like, what is this creamer? I can't believe
they can't even call it creamer legally. They speed past.
He goes, what the crap and then the cops just
get coffee dumped on them. Yeah that's going ah so,

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So by this point they get away from the cops
and he takes a teber to the docks and he
ties him up in the car. He gets a road
flare and by this point, like tee Bird's like, you know, oh,
you know what, what what are you talking about? Man?
Like you can't be here, like we put you through
the window. There ain't no coming back. There ain't no
coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
Yeah, And he's he says it so matter of factly.
So scared, Yeah, terrified.

Speaker 3 (01:41:03):
And t Bird through the movie quotes Paradise lost, bash
the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is. He's
doing this quote the whole time, like that they're attacking Shelley.
And he also starts doing it here because Draven takes
a road flare lights it throws it right into his crotch,
So his crutch is going to be gone even before
the car explodes. By the way, because those flames burn.

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
Hot experience, I think it. It looked it up one day,
right of course, so college man.

Speaker 3 (01:41:31):
So by this point Tebird is now sent down the dog.
Eric's also got gasoline going, the flare is going, there's
a grenade in the trunk. And also and by the
time he goes off the dock, the cars already exploding
before it hit the water. Yeah, And naturally, after he
does his little explosion, he does a little thing with
some gas on his end and lights the infamous crow
in flames symbol.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
Yeah, which is I mean, one of the most memorable
images of the entire film. Yes, is that big fiery crow.

Speaker 3 (01:41:57):
So by this point, Allbrect has been brought to attention
by Taurus that they found Tebird's car. They got to
figure out who it is, but they don't know it's Tebird,
And he's like, oh, that's te Bird. You know, I
guess he should have zigged when he should have zagged.
Torres is pissed. He's like, you know, who's the cartoon
character with the painted face? And he's like, I don't know.
You're the detective. You tell me. That ends up getting
all Breck suspended. Yeah, so all Breck is now off

(01:42:18):
the case.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
Well in theory.

Speaker 3 (01:42:20):
In theory, yes, but also we see that the next morning,
Sarah wakes up and her and Darla actually reconcile because
she's trying to make breakfast and she's like, you know,
I don't like eggs, and she sees that Darla is
trying well.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
She also said, I don't like eggs to be a dick, yes,
because it's not like her mom has ever been has
been very good to her. Yeah, so she's really just
kind of resistant to it because she's like, oh great, Well,
because her first thing is she's like, so what did
you What are you on now?

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
Yeah? What are you making you mother of the Year?

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:42:47):
Yeah, And she's like, oh fuck it, like I wasn't
even good at this, mommy shit, and Sarah stops her.
She's like, over easy, I like my eggs over easy.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
Which every little girl likes over easy eggs.

Speaker 3 (01:42:56):
So also by this point, she sees that something has
happened to Darla, and she's curious because she's seen glimpses
of Eric around the city but hasn't been able to
confirm it. So she goes to the apartment and she's like,
you know, we find that Eric's also burning some pictures
and everything. He's also played the guitar by this point
as fashioned, so he's burning pictures in the apartment. Sarah
comes in and we see the apartment's desolate as it

(01:43:17):
was when he walked in and everything, and she's calling
to him like, you know, I care about you, and Shelly,
you know, why don't you talk to me? Screw you.
I thought you loved me. And then he appears in
the window and he's like, Sarah, I do care. They
run up and embrace, So now she's confirmed that he
is back for the time being, and she kind of
just known, Yeah she did.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:34):
So top Dollar at this point decides that he's also
going to hold a meeting because his people are dropping dead.
And also now it's Devil's Night. They got to figure
out what they're gonna do.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
Yeah, you're having a staffing issue on Devil's Night.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
Yeah, so they're having a staffing issue. And Eric's also
playing guitar on the roof and then ends up smashing
the guitar on the amp and breaking everything, and we
cut to the meeting where My Life with Thrill Kill
Cult is playing in the club below. By the way,
of course, what the hell else would we play? And
Top dollars meeting is just all his henchmen at the
table loading guns, all kinds of guns.

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
Yeah. Yeah, No, it's very cartoony. I mean what I
mean with the villains are cartoony. Yeah, so it's it's
it fits very well. Yeah in the rest of the film.

Speaker 3 (01:44:16):
And by this point, they rounded up Skank because they
know that Draven is working his way back to the
speed Freak as they call him. Yeah, and so they
put Skank into the meeting and he top Dollar basically
says to his guys. You know, well, Devil's Nights upon
us and you know this year, you know, I don't
know what we're gonna do, Like, you know, I had
an idea. You know it's ran. You know what they
have now, Devil's Nights greeting cards. Isn't that precious? Now?

(01:44:36):
I guess it is like the best time to quit.
And he's like and the guys are like, well, let's
no reason to quit, and he's like, no, it's the
best time. But I want to have one more night.
I want to light as many fires as we can.
I want to look at you boys one more time
and say are we having fun?

Speaker 4 (01:44:49):
Or what?

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
What a romantic?

Speaker 3 (01:44:52):
And he goes, hey, skank you are What do you
feel like? I feel like a little worm on a
big fucking Oh the.

Speaker 2 (01:44:56):
Way he says it to he just blurts it out. Yeah,
he's like being as on this he could possibly be, Ah.

Speaker 3 (01:45:01):
Billie worm of a big fucking hook. Well, boy, your
mother must be damn proud.

Speaker 2 (01:45:05):
No, it's it's a great line.

Speaker 3 (01:45:07):
So the guys are all into it, and then all
of a sudden, the bird flies in and he's like,
how'd that thing get in here? And then Draven walks in.
He tells them that he just wants skank, and Top
dollars like, well, you can't have him, and Draven goes, well,
I see you've made your decision. Now let's you enforce it.
Stands on the table in front of the guys, and
Top Color goes, this is already boring the shit out
of me. Kill him, and everybody fires into dravens.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
Yeah, and uh, it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
This was rumored to be the to be the scene
that they left in the movie of his of his
Demise for the longest time, by the way, but that's
the kind of thing, the urban legend stuff that happened
all the time I found out what scene it was. Yeah,
wasn't in a flashback flashback. Yeah, it's a flashback because unfortunately,
and I may have kept in the tripe some of
that stuff I kept out of the trivia because it's
very sad in that sense. But Michael Massey, who plays

(01:45:53):
fun Boy, was the one who pulled the trigger and
he left acting for a long time. It haunted him
and we actually lost him a couple of years back.
I want to say, Yep, very tragic, but by this
point so they've shot Eric. He's fallen under the table
and top collar goes, well that's that. One guy goes
to look and he's like he's gone, and then gets
shot in the head. And then this is probably one
of the most violent sequences in the film.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
Oh yeah, yeah, I spit everywhere. Well, I mean where else.

Speaker 3 (01:46:17):
Hey, So he's just shooting people, slicing people. If you
want to see the violence that was cut out of
this movie on the Blu ray of the DVD, the
four K is the deleted scene, and like he's chopping
hands off, he's cutting people's throats with bottles, like, oh yeah,
it's insane. It's and just NonStop, NonStop. So naturally the
cops get called because a chair goes out a window
with a guy in it into the club, so the

(01:46:38):
club gets flee they're they're shooting all over the place.
He catches up to Skank and he's like, you know,
I guess it's not a good day to be a
bad guy, is it, Skank? And he's like, I'm not Skank.
That's Skank over there. Skank's dead and he's like, that's right,
throws Skank out of a window as he lands right
on the top of a cop car.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
Well, I mean perfectly placed.

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
Perfectly placed. So the cops come in, they're like, you know,
that's all, it's all she wrote, move and we shoot
and he does a little dance towards the window and
they shoot. Now he's running on the rooftops, like all
the cops in the city. You're after him. Helicopter running
from the rooftops. Helicopter's going after him, and also all
brecks on the street and ends up like landing right
where he falls off the roof at Well.

Speaker 2 (01:47:14):
He's following him, yeah, he's he's following the helicopter, Yeah,
because he figures that's how he can follow the action.

Speaker 3 (01:47:20):
Well, he even has the line where he's like, so
many cops you think they're giving away free donuts. Yeah,
So they're driving through the street. At one point he
pulls over and Eric gets out and he looks over
He's like, no, you were gonna do that. So by
this point Eric is wandering the streets. The cops are
looking for him elsewhere. Top dollars also driving the streets,
and he's just like, look at the city. There should

(01:47:41):
be a thousand fires going on right now. And Grange
and Micah. Both are talking kind of about the crow
and like, that's the infamous Eric Draven the crows his power.
Take the crow, you can take his power away. So
he gets this idea of what they're gonna do. They
end up driving to a cemetery or driving to the
church near the cemetery and waiting because Sarah is waiting
at the grave. But before we get to that, there's

(01:48:02):
a really sweet scene I love where Eric is just
walking the street and he's like, you know, Shelley, I'm
coming home to you soon, because as he sees it,
his time's almost done. Yeah, he's got the one day
to basically do what he needs to do and then
he's gonna be back. And so he's wanting the street
and he's like, Shelley, I'll see you soon. And then
right has that happen, this flashlight falls on his face
and it's these kids in Halloween costumes running up to

(01:48:22):
him and they circle him and make him laugh, and
there's a really sweet freeze frame before they go away.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
Yeah, it's a nice little moment.

Speaker 4 (01:48:30):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:48:30):
It's a really good moment. He smiles. It's really sweet.
So he finds Sarah at the cemetery asleep at his grave,
and she's like, you know, you're gonna be mad at me,
and he's like, actually, it's the safest place to be
and she's like yeah, because everyone's dead. And he's like,
you know, it's really late, Sarah, and she's like, I
wanted to wait for you, and he's like I can't
always say bye, Like this is gonna be something you're
have to forgive me for. And then he ends up
giving her Shelley's engagement ring and he's like, you know, Shelley,

(01:48:53):
I gave this Shelley, she would want you to have it.
Sends her on her way, and then Grange grabs her,
pulls her into the church, and that it's when Top
Dollar takes the ring off of her, and now they
have their captive.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
And now we're heading into the very finale. Yeah, an
incredible finale that I always remembered. Yeah, because of the
gothic rooftops and the pouring rain. It's it's iconic, without
a doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:49:19):
Yeah, Sarah has been abducting the church. At this point,
she's calling to Eric because the crow can actually see
a vision. So Eric sees with the crow sees and
he sees Sarah calling for help, so he walks into
the church, the epic poster posed as he goes through
the giant doors into the thing, and that's when we
also see the crow fly in. Grange has a really
serious rifle. Crow sits down on a perchase, on a

(01:49:40):
on a a pew and Grain shoots it, and Eric's like,
what the hell's going on? And then we have one
of my favorite top Dollar lines as he comes out
and he goes quick impression for you caw cow bang, fuck,
I'm dead.

Speaker 2 (01:49:51):
I as a kid, that was like the epitome of humor.

Speaker 3 (01:49:56):
So Eric tells him give me the girl and I'll
let you live. He's like, let me think about that
for a second. Fuck it shoots him and by this
point Eric is just like, oh, well, no big deal.
But then he actually sees that he's bleeding now it's
not ceiling, and he goes, oh fuck. It falls over and.

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
He realizes that this invincibility is not permanent.

Speaker 3 (01:50:14):
Not permanent. So by this point the crow is limping
and Grange is like, the crow is still alive, and
he's like, you know, well then kill it is what
top Dollar says. Grain is getting ready to fire on it.
Then all Brett comes in with his shotgun and his
pistol kills Grange. They get into a firefight as Micah
takes Sarah up to the to the tower and also
Top Dollar flees as well. So that's when Albrett goes

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over to him and he's like, you know, got a
great idea. You stand in front of me, let them shoot.
When they run out of bullet's all rest them. And
Draven's like it's a great idea except for one thing.
And he's like, I thought you were invincible. He's like
I was. I'm not anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
Yeah, And it's and it's a great moment of levity
in this like very tense yeah showdown is where he says, yeah,
it was.

Speaker 3 (01:50:53):
So he's like, I guess you're gonna be my help
after all. They end up going up the steps and
Micah shoots on to all Breck. He gets shot and
he's like, I thought you were gonna stay behind me,
and he's like, I messed up. So now Albrek's out
of the picture. He goes up and faces up against
Micah and she's like holding the crow and she's like
this is all the power you ever had pity. Then
the crow comes to life and pecks her fucking eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
Out, which is considering her obsession with eyes, Yeah, is
a delightful little turn of events.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
Yeah, So gets her eyes pecked out, falls down the tower,
and by this point Top Dollar has Sarah out in
the rain on top of the tower, on top of
the cathedral, and he's like, you know, uh, this isn't
about her, this is about me and you you know,
and he's like, all right, if you Eric actually surrenders himself.
He says, you know, I'll get you can have me
let her go, and he's like, I will throw Sarah
to the side off and she's hanging on to the

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cathedral at this point, and that's when they get into
a giant sword fight, except top Dollar has a sword
and Eric has a lightning rod.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
Yeah it's a lightning catcher, but it's a it's just
a oh gosh, like a weather vein weather vein.

Speaker 3 (01:51:58):
Yeah, yeah, giant weather vein. So they're fighting in a
storm on top of this church and it's epic. There's lightning,
there's rain, and naturally, uh, he gets the upper hand,
but then Top Dollar betrays him and stabs him with
a little blade, and that's when he's sitting down there.
He's like, you know, well, you know, I'm sorry for
spoiling your wedding plans. Friend. You know, nothing in this
town happens up. I say, so, I cleared that building,

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you know, I will say, though you put a smile
on my face. I am gonna miss you. And he's
getting ready to gut Eric, and Eric looks at him
and says, I have something for you. I don't want
it anymore, grabs on a top Dollar's head and says,
thirty hours of pain, all at once, all for you.
He's basically passing everything that Shelley went through onto him,
and we see top Dollar taking this pain and everything.

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He's completely disoriented, falls off of the church below, onto
a spike, on top of a cathedral, or on top
of a fucking gargoyle, and.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
The blood starts, starts pouring out of the gargoyles. Gut
her mouth, yes, and what an image, yes, but all
so like one of those those moments in a movie
where you're like, well that guy's dead as.

Speaker 1 (01:53:05):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (01:53:06):
So so top Dollar is now out of the picture,
Mike is out of the picture, Grains out of the picture,
everybody that basically wrong. Draven has been corrected at this point,
I guess correct. Okay, I like that. So he rejoined Sarah.
They gets her off of the ledge. They walk back
down to all Breck and he's like, you know, stay
with stay with him until the cops arrive. And all
Brick's like, give me a cigarette, takes it, lights it,

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and he goes, yuck, I'm quitting now if I live and.

Speaker 2 (01:53:32):
D to the record, he quit if he doesn't either, yeah, true, true,
he's gonna win.

Speaker 3 (01:53:36):
Draven thanks him. He's like, you know, thank you, what
you kept in here saved me. And he's like, you know,
I couldn't have done it without you. And by this
point they're talking at him and Sarah and then look
back and Eric's gone, and he's like he does that sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:53:49):
Well, and that's a really beautiful moment because what he gave,
what he did was care about her life. Yeah, And
that's what ends up saving Draven was being able to
project that into somebody, project all that pain and suffering, yeah,
which was caused by top dollar.

Speaker 3 (01:54:08):
Yeah. And I mean, by this point, Eric is a mess.
He's been stabbed, he's been shot, and he's feeling all
of it now. As he's basically limping back to Shelley's grave,
he gets to her gravestone, He's like, I'm coming, Shelley,
and then right behind him, Shelley walks into the cemetery.
The spirit of Shelley touches his head. They share a kiss,
and then we see that the holes have filled themselves
as they're back together, and we see also the next day,

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the crow is sitting on the tombstone with Shelley's wedding
ring in its mouth, and Sarah comes up takes it
and we hear basically Sarah say, if when some oh
my god it let me get this line right, was forever?

Speaker 5 (01:54:43):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (01:54:44):
The people we love are stolen from us. The way
to have them live, the way that had them live
on is to never stop loving, never stop loving them.
Buildings burn, people die. Real love is forever, and that
is nineteen ninety Four's the crow?

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
But which I mean? Okay, Alley doesn't really hold a
candle to twenty twenty four?

Speaker 3 (01:55:02):
Oh you're right, yeah, yeah, but what happened in twenty
twenty four? Go ahead? Can you recall?

Speaker 5 (01:55:07):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:55:07):
Oh? I can I know?

Speaker 2 (01:55:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's your own fault, Like you're looking
at me like I like it was me really gonna
be like, well, I know because I had to watch
it a Bunchet's like, dude, I only went the one time.

Speaker 3 (01:55:17):
Yeah, fair enough. So do you want to know guess
what the budget was on the film?

Speaker 1 (01:55:21):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
Wasn't it like forty It was lower twenty twenty three?

Speaker 3 (01:55:27):
Okay, estimated twenty three million dollars opening weekend. It takes
in eleven million, which is May fifteenth, nineteen ninety four. Worldwide,
it ends up grossing fifty million dollars. It was a huge, huge,
huge hit on this video. No, yeah, that's what brought
the numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:55:41):
Well, but even back then, I mean back then that
would be a hit anyway, Yeah, fifty against twenty. That
was back before things got so out of hand spending wise.

Speaker 3 (01:55:49):
Yeah. Movie releases so filmed in Los Angeles, California, as
well as Wilmington, North Carolina. Filming begins on February first
of ninety three. First round of filming raps marts thirty first,
ninety three with the death of Eric or with the
death of Brittan Lee. Unfortunately, filming then resumes for reshoots
May twenty six of ninety three and wraps June third
of ninety three. Body count in the film is thirty

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one Pretty handy. James Obarr originally began writing The Crow
as a means to cope with the unexpected death of
his fiance, who was killed by a drunk driver. Obarr
had a meeting with a major studio to adapt the
comic to a film, but Obar left the meeting after
that had heard the pitch of their idea as a
musical with Michael Jackson as the lead. Obar eventually oversaw

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three different script treatments before he ended up working with
the writer and producers Jeff Most and John Shirley. Shirley
would end up penning the third and fourth drafts himself,
earning himself the screenplay credit from the WGA. David J.
Scow was brought in.

Speaker 2 (01:56:45):
For rewrites that sounds right yeaheah.

Speaker 3 (01:56:48):
Producer Edward Pressman was encouraged by Jeff Most to look
into music, video and commercial directors to give the film
a specific look and feel. Eventually he would land on
Alex Proyes, while Paramount Pictures picked up distribution rights for
the film.

Speaker 2 (01:56:59):
Yeah, there was a lot going on with them. In
the movie made.

Speaker 3 (01:57:02):
Paramount Pictures initially developed and finance this film, but after
Brandon Lee's tragic death, which caused production to shut down
with an incomplete film, they wrote the project off. Entertainment
Media Investment Corporation was created for the purpose of buying
the film and completing it, using the groundbreaking CGI special
effects and body doubles for lease scenes. The film would
return to Paramount's hands in twenty twenty after the studio
bought a minority stake in Miramax, which picked up distribution

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rights after Paramount left.

Speaker 2 (01:57:25):
Oh Yeah, River.

Speaker 3 (01:57:28):
Phoenix, Christian Slater, and Johnny deppt turned down the role
of Eric Draven.

Speaker 2 (01:57:34):
Wow Yeah, How the hell did they land on Brandon Lee?

Speaker 3 (01:57:38):
Then Oh Barr wanted Depp. The studios wanted River Phoenix
and Christian Slater.

Speaker 2 (01:57:43):
Were They wanted them both to play Draven. Two Dravens, Yeah,
The Tale of Two Dravens.

Speaker 3 (01:57:48):
Alex Proyes originally wanted to shoot the entire film in
black and white, closer to the comics and using only
color in Draven's flashback scenes with high contrast theme, but
the studio executives didn't allow him to experiment with the approach.
This made shoot much of the movie in monochromatic color
theme mixed with red and dark gray.

Speaker 2 (01:58:04):
Yeah. I I yeah, shooting things in black and white.

Speaker 3 (01:58:08):
Uh, it's tough.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
Well, the studios are terrified of it because it because
of the well, yeah, people will think it's old. They
just won't go to it. Remember do you remember when
when they did Young Frankenstein in black and white? They
literally put in the trailers it's in black and white,
which is really not a big deal.

Speaker 3 (01:58:23):
Yeah, like yeah, Freya said that Brandon Lee was unhappy
with the way his face paint looked when the makeup
department applied it to him before shooting. Lee and Froys
then agreed that it would be best if Lee applied
his own makeup every night before going to bed, so
that when he woke up, his face paint would naturally
look more worn out.

Speaker 2 (01:58:40):
So I feel bad for the hotel maids. Okidding, right, Yeah,
they were like, wow, this horror wore some really strange makeup.

Speaker 3 (01:58:48):
Brace yourself, we're here. There was a lot of cost
and corner cutting on set. One of the crew recalled
they were trying to make a thirty million movie for
eighteen million. The film was filmed in Wilmington, North Carolina.
Because North Carolina was a right to work state. This
allowed the producers to get away with pay conditions and crucially,
production schedules that would have been new by unionized Hollywood.

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They began filming at night outdoors, but the aforementioned hurricane
destroyed the sets, so they moved the production indoors without
changing the schedule. As switching production from nights to day
as requires a twenty four hour turnaround time, the Harry
production didn't have it, and it was still so cold
that camera rails had to be de iced during filming
by riggers with blow torches hiding out of the shot.

Speaker 2 (01:59:28):
Jeez well, and for the record, doing it non union,
I mean the unions would have worked those long hours, yes,
just they would have been murdered by the overtime. Yeah,
by the cost of the overtime.

Speaker 4 (01:59:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:59:40):
There were several accidents that befell production crew. The carpenter
suffered serious burns on his upper body during the first
day of filming. A manual worker had a screwdriver get
embedded into his hand, an equipment truck burst into flames,
a stunt man broke several ribs after falling through a roof,
a rigger was horribly electrocuted. A disgruntled set sculptor went
berserk and drove his car through the prop rooms, destroyed it,
and a hurricane destroyed several of the sets.

Speaker 2 (02:00:03):
The only one in there that is not that unusual
as the broken ribs. Yeah, because stunt guys break ribs
a lot. Yeah, my god, dude, that's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (02:00:11):
According to Empire magazine, cocaine abuse was rampant on set,
with cameraman shooting whilst high crew going into toilets, a
snort between shots, and people cutting around. One crew member
recalls hearing the sound of a sneeze on set one
day and an annoyed Brandon Lee equipping someone just lost
fifty dollars.

Speaker 2 (02:00:28):
That's funny. That's really really funny.

Speaker 3 (02:00:32):
The production didn't have money or the space to shoot
a car chase sequence, so they did it with miniatures instead.

Speaker 2 (02:00:37):
I think it worked fine.

Speaker 3 (02:00:38):
Yeah, I think so too.

Speaker 1 (02:00:39):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:00:39):
Darius Wolsky achieved the look of the film by filming
with Sepia filter and then in printing adding lots of
blue to eliminate the brown. This meant that the production
designer Alex McDowell. Art directors John Marshall and Simon Merton
had to leave out any instance of color blue because
it would get overly saturated. They had to be so
strict that certain smoke machines had to be removed because
the smoke producer had elements of blue in it. Blue

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was only used in flashbacks.

Speaker 2 (02:01:02):
Wow, that would be a lot to manage.

Speaker 3 (02:01:05):
According to James Obarr, he didn't like casting Brandon Lee
as the main lead for his comic book adaptation. At
the time. He had only seen him in Showdown in
Little Tokyo and feared it would end up like a
kung Fu movie and go straight to video. But he
was thrilled when he first met Brandon on the set
with the makeup and the crow outfit. He was amazed
by Brandon's take on the character when he spoke the
exact line from the comics.

Speaker 2 (02:01:24):
I mean he owned it. There's no doubt.

Speaker 3 (02:01:26):
Brandon Lee lost forty pounds for the role. Alex Proys
recalled that he and Brandon Lee had a long talk
before filming began about how the main character, Eric Draven
should be presented as a well oiled machine that came
back from the dead already built for the sole purpose
of killing. Alex specifically said that Eric should be someone
who was made of nothing but muscle and bone. Brandon
agreed as well, so he devoted himself to an intense

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regiment of diet, a regimen of diet and exercise to
achieve a specific athletic look before filming began.

Speaker 2 (02:01:53):
I mean, and luckily, I mean, it's not like he
was a slouch anyway. He was always athletic.

Speaker 3 (02:01:57):
He was always athletic. While most of the scenes of
Bran and Lee's death were digitally composed, there was in
fact a mask that had been made directly from a
mold of Lee's face. It had been intended for the
use of stunt doubles if needed. They attempted to create
the scenes using this mask. However, the cast and crew
were far too unsettled by the prop that it was
destroyed and digital means were used to fill in the gaps. Yeah.
If you watch shutters Cursed films, they show pictures of

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the stunt guy in the moss. See it's very creepy.

Speaker 2 (02:02:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:02:24):
The phrase it can't rain all the time is inspired
by an encounter that James O'Barr had as a team
while living in Shepard, Michigan, prior to enlisting in the Marines.
Down on his lucko Bar found himself unable to pay
for groceries. Frustrated, he decided to just buy rice, to
which the man in line of him stated, you can't
eat rice all the time while paying o'bar's groceries. The
man turned out to be Lee Coughlin, the mayor of

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Shepherd himself, and is also the basis of the character Albricht.
Oh wow Yeah. One of Brandon Lee's favorite movies was
The Warriors from nineteen seventy nine, which created a breakout
role for classically trained actor David Patrick Kelly, who plays
Tebard in the film. So naturally, Lee was overjoyed to
have a great character act known for his villainis roles,
starring in his own movie.

Speaker 2 (02:03:02):
I could see that.

Speaker 3 (02:03:03):
That's really cool. The latter part of the scene in
Aubreck's apartment was ad lived by Brandon Lee and Ernie Hudson.
The line about Shelley believe me nothing as trivial was
not in the script.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
Wow really mm hmm. That's a hell of a thing.

Speaker 3 (02:03:14):
Even though the movie based on the comic is called
the crow. None of the birds using the film were
actually crows. All of them were, in fact ravens, which
are much larger than crows and have longer, more impressive beaks.

Speaker 2 (02:03:24):
Oh yeah, and there from what I heard, they're easier
to train. Yeah, so that's a big, big element.

Speaker 3 (02:03:30):
Eric shirt is cut down the back when he first
emerges from the grave. This is a common practice in
funeral homes as it makes it the dead easier to dress.

Speaker 2 (02:03:37):
Yes, yes, I didn't even notice that detail. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:03:40):
James Obarr constantly listened to the songs of Joy Division
and The Cure while shaping and creating the graphic novel
of the film is based on. He was delighted when
Robert Smith of The Cure agreed to write an original
song for the movie. Although a hugely popular song, introducing
legions of new fans to The Cure, they only performed
Burn live once nineteen years after the film's release, even
though it was often requested. When a fan asked if

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they'd play the song on a concert, bassist Simon Gallip replied,
did we do that one for a soundtrack? I don't
remember it. The Cure has since played the song on
their twenty sixteen North American Tour. Wow Yeah. Although the
tone of the film is very similar to the comic,
there were many changes in the comics. Top Dollar is
a member of t Bird's gang as opposed to heading
up the crime in the city. Micah and Grains were
also not present in the comic, and there was never

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any mention about the Crow being a power source. Also
in the comics, Skank was not involved in the murders
of Eric and Shelley. Instead, a character named Tom Tom
was Sarah also served as a minor role, first meeting
Eric after his death, and Albrecht as he appears in
the movie is a combination of street officer named Allbreck
in the comics and police captain Hook. Another major change
is Eric is a mechanic in the comic and his

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last name was never mentioned. He was changed to him
as a musician as an homage to all the music
references that James Obarr had in the comic. In the comic,
the murders are actually a twist of bad luck with
te Bird's gang while high on drugs and bushing Eric
and Shelley when their car breaks down, and in the comic,
Eric is actually the one who lasts for thirty hours
of intensive care, with most defense implied as possibly being

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a revenge fantasy as he lies in a coma.

Speaker 2 (02:05:06):
Okay, I mean that all checks out.

Speaker 3 (02:05:08):
Yeah. The following scenes were completed after Brandon Lee's death,
as follows. During the scene where Eric Draven first enters
the apartment after digging himself out of the grave, footage
of Lee walking through an alley in the rain was
digitally composed. In the scenes where he walks through the doorway,
computer technology added drops of water to the doorframe to
make the water on his back not seem out of place.
The face in the smash mirror was Lee's. It was

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digitally altered to fit the shards. The shot of Eric
falling from the window was made by composing Lee's face,
complete with simulated blood, onto a body double. The scene
where Eric puts on his makeup was filmed using the double.
The image of Eric walking towards the window with the
crow on his shoulder was a double with Lee's face
digitally added. After lightning flashes, and when Sarah visits the apartment,

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we never see Eric's face. It is actually a double.

Speaker 2 (02:05:51):
I never realized it was that. I thought it was
a lot less yea to be honest.

Speaker 3 (02:05:54):
The film was submitted to the MPAA five times before
receiving an R rating. Each previous time resulted in an.

Speaker 2 (02:06:01):
It's a pretty violent movie.

Speaker 3 (02:06:02):
Yeah. The song a Grave Mistake from American metal band
Eisteine Kills is based on the story of the film.
The song comes from the Silver Screen, the band's fifth album.
Each song on the record comes from a different horror movie.
You cannot recommend both of those albums enough. And finally,
The Crow was ranked thirty seventh in IGN's Top one
hundred Comic Book Heroes in two thousand and five. Creator
James Obarr claimed The Crow was the best selling independent

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black and white grack novel of all time, translated into
almost a dozen languages, and has sold over a quarter
million copies worldwide. The second American comic book to get
its author the Storyteller Award by the Angelet International Comics Festival,
held annually in Anjebe, France.

Speaker 2 (02:06:39):
Wow, Okay, I don't know any of that.

Speaker 3 (02:06:41):
Yeah, what are your final thoughts on nineteen ninety four's
The Crow.

Speaker 2 (02:06:46):
It's it's a hard that's a hard question for me
because I don't know if it's quintessential enough to me
to be a by it, but it is an important
movie to watch.

Speaker 4 (02:06:58):
It.

Speaker 2 (02:06:58):
It's very it really represents the time frame very well.
It became such a major part of pop culture. So
I don't know if you need to own it, but
you definitely it's more than worth a rental to. If
you've never seen The Crows, It's a movie you should
desperately see.

Speaker 3 (02:07:17):
Yeah, it's a buy it for me, simply for the
fact that, unfortunately it is Lee's last performance. I think
the soundtrack is unbeatable, It's got great action sequences. It's
a superhero movie to the extent that we don't really
get like this anymore.

Speaker 2 (02:07:34):
I would say we just had one.

Speaker 3 (02:07:37):
Well, I mean I will kill you. Yeah, Yeah, but no,
I mean it's it is nineties as fuck.

Speaker 1 (02:07:45):
It is.

Speaker 3 (02:07:46):
It is a It is just that I'm trying to
think of how I want to say that. It is
that concept of a revenge tale that we've seen a
thousand times obviously, but in this sense of the way
that it's executed, in the emotion that it had, as
in the performances that it has. I think the movie
just has a lasting power that has that has carried

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even to generations today.

Speaker 2 (02:08:09):
Now, Well, I think and I think you're right and
having it be Lee's such a tragic story of Lee's
final performance, Yeah, has given it a lot of staying
power with a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (02:08:18):
And I think that's rightfully so absolutely has, so we
always like that in the show. With a couple of recommendations,
My first one this week is nineteen ninety eight's Blade,
which is currently rentable on Prime and Fandango. Half vampire,
half mortal man becomes the protector of a mortal race
while slaying evil vampires. If you haven't seen Blade in
a while, it's definitely worth a rewatch a lot of fun.
And second, I'm gonna go with nineteen nineties dark Man,

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currently available on AMC Plus rentable through Prime and Fandango
as well. A brilliant scientist left for dead returns to
Zach revenge on the people who burned him alive.

Speaker 2 (02:08:51):
Dark Man would have been my pick? Dark Man, Yeah,
I have a feeling would have been my pick. I'm sorry,
so I had to rack my brain.

Speaker 3 (02:08:59):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (02:09:00):
About what would my pick be? And I think you're
going to be surprised because I think my pick would
probably be twenty eighteen's Mandy Solid solid because it's about
love and revenge. Yeah, it's visually so striking for those
who have not seen it, that's a good one. It
stars Nicholas Cage.

Speaker 3 (02:09:20):
That's a good pick.

Speaker 2 (02:09:21):
The enchanted lives of a couple in a secluded forest
are brutally shattered by a nightmarish hippie cult and their
demon biker henchman, propelling a man into a spiraling, surreal
rampage of vengeance. That's maybe one of the best descriptions
of a movie I've ever heard. That's so accurate. It's
a hard movie to describe, but a fascinating movie to watch. Yeah,

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and yeah, I think that that would be my pick.

Speaker 3 (02:09:47):
I will throw another recommendation out there that's basically a
female crow called Avenged, that is about a woman, a
deaf woman that is driving back from the country to
meet up with her fiance. She ends up having a
car break down. He gets attacked by these people and
has a Native American spirit bring her back and to
seek vengeance. And it's a really really good flick, very violent,

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very horror based, extremely violent actually the more I think
about it, But yeah, Avenge really good. Flick as well.
Should we check in with our buddies to see what
they thought of the movie?

Speaker 2 (02:10:17):
I suppose so if I didn't I pull that up,
I don't know here it is, you know what, Like
you're the one who sends me this stuff, and I
have to I only this is the first.

Speaker 3 (02:10:28):
Time I sent you to videos that I wanted to
pull up on the show.

Speaker 2 (02:10:31):
Yeah, because you realized you could be a bigger prick
than ever.

Speaker 3 (02:10:33):
Hey, you know, hear him Avenger.

Speaker 2 (02:10:40):
A little bit.

Speaker 6 (02:10:42):
Brandon Lee plays the Crow in that scene, a murdered
rock musician who comes back to life and vows revenge
against the evil mastermind behind a gang of thugs who
on the eve of their wedding wells everybody knows. Brandon
Lee himself was accidentally shot dead during the filming of
the Crow gun mistakenly a lethal charge in it, and
that adds a special poigns to this movie, because not

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only does the story ironically mere real life, but Lee
is so good here and the movie is so good
that this could easily have been the beginning of a
starring career for him. Just look at the visual mood
of this scene where Lee as the Crow burst from
the grave and prepares himself for his mission of vengeance.

Speaker 2 (02:11:22):
Oh yeah, I'm going to talk over that son. He
still might I mean.

Speaker 3 (02:11:32):
Something, something though, would have been responsible for. The two
murders have.

Speaker 2 (02:11:43):
Just exclusions.

Speaker 3 (02:11:46):
Oh there you go.

Speaker 2 (02:11:46):
Yeah, there's the big Fiery Crow.

Speaker 6 (02:11:48):
The story of the Crow is a pretty straightforward revenge fantasy.
The murder man comes back from the grave and goes
looking for those who destroyed his life. What's special about
the film is it's look, it's style, and it's energy.
Director Alex Kroyis has put together sort of a cross
between Blade Runner and Batman, but darker, grungier, and more
threatening than either.

Speaker 2 (02:12:07):
One of those pictures.

Speaker 6 (02:12:08):
And Brandon Lee, in his last performance, shows here that
he clearly had the potential to become a major action star.

Speaker 2 (02:12:14):
Well.

Speaker 5 (02:12:14):
I don't compare this film favorably to either Blade Runner
or Batman. I don't think it's as good as either
one of those, and I think it does borrow from
Blade Runner, in particular the physical look and that I
think History is one of the most influential art directed
pictures of all time. And I do think that the
story is, as you described it, straightforward revenge fantasy.

Speaker 2 (02:12:34):
What I like I do like the comic book camera angles.
I do like him.

Speaker 5 (02:12:37):
I think he is charismatic. But I can't recommend the
picture because the story bored me so much.

Speaker 2 (02:12:41):
Roight wow, gene go.

Speaker 6 (02:12:45):
But this is a very daring attempt to film a
comic book. I think that the whole movie is a piece.
For example, all the heavy metal music on the soundtrack
is very effective. The look of the film is sensational
when the camera is flying over that city.

Speaker 2 (02:13:01):
For example.

Speaker 5 (02:13:02):
I thought that the stories in both the pictures you
named were more complicated. Both Batman another comic book story,
and also uh.

Speaker 2 (02:13:10):
Is actually pretty complicated. There's a lot going on his
love interest Joker.

Speaker 6 (02:13:15):
That is't the point here. You know this movie is
in your It's not a story. All these stories are made.

Speaker 2 (02:13:20):
Why did you Why did you?

Speaker 5 (02:13:21):
Why did you describe it as a stay straightforward revenge
And I'm using your own words.

Speaker 3 (02:13:26):
Because you know this story is that I was criticizing.

Speaker 5 (02:13:30):
Criticizing it because but all of the good looks and
all the good look in the picture, it got very
repetitive to.

Speaker 2 (02:13:35):
See a movie like The Crow. In order to have
a nice subtle.

Speaker 5 (02:13:38):
No I go to see a movie like the Crow
have some complication of the story, so that all that
I don't see is the raining, the rain and the visual.

Speaker 2 (02:13:47):
Damn, damn, that was brutal.

Speaker 3 (02:13:51):
That was brutal.

Speaker 2 (02:13:52):
I mean, I take back all of my review. I'm
with Ciskel.

Speaker 3 (02:13:55):
I will leap over this table.

Speaker 2 (02:13:57):
No, No, but I get what he's He's coming But
like I mean, I think Ebert is onto something more. Yeah,
just because this I think the problem is Ciskel wasn't
interested in the style. No, he was more interested in
strictly the substance. And I even opened my points with
saying that it's relatively simple. Ye, it's just executed in
a really amazing way, and you've got a really charismatic lead.

Speaker 4 (02:14:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:14:20):
So and I do think again, like I said, time
has been incredibly kind to revealing how poignant this movie
would be for like all of gen X. Yeah, so
I could see where Siskel's coming from. I mean, he
didn't say it was a big pile of poop, although
he did say he was bored. Yeah, which is damn.

Speaker 3 (02:14:36):
I just I think what I think that Ebert nails
it though. Just the style of the movie in and
of itself is nothing that I've seen in a good while.
And I mean, and that could be the fact that
the movie from ninety four and.

Speaker 2 (02:14:49):
I guess was this. I mean that well everybody was
doing that for a minute. Yeah, they were a bit
yeah here and there, but a dark city, no dark
city especially. Yeah, but this is this is one that
it's just like, every time I watch it, I'm just
I'm sucked into the that this movie creates. Oh, I
would have. I mean, without a doubt. I mean, the
colorful characters, the not so colorful literal world. Yeah, I
mean there's a lot that really pulls you in.

Speaker 4 (02:15:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:15:09):
And I do think that the story is simple, but
I think that it's kind of like there's a beauty
to the simplicity that it's just about love making death
not really a factor.

Speaker 3 (02:15:18):
Well, and like you and I said off Mike, it's
it's unfortunate to say that. I think the movie was
made lasting and stronger by Lee's passing. Oh, without a doubt,
because they had to cut the corners that they did
and do the things that they had to do. One
of which we should mention is that Michael Berryman was
originally in the film as the Skull Cowboy and the
Skull Cowboy in the text of the Crow is the
crow Guide. Basically, he's the spirit guide to him and

(02:15:42):
tells them what's going on. So there is footage out
there of Michael Berryman as a skull cowboy, but when
Lee unfortunately passed, they couldn't shoot the remainder of the
scenes with him, so they just completely cut him out
of the movie entirely.

Speaker 2 (02:15:53):
Honestly, the thing that surprised me the most about watching
that clip was I'm shocked that Gene Siskel didn't rise
from the dead on the day the remake came out
to get vengeance for the original movie. In rip, Dave
is angry. Do you want me to get on a
weiji board we can see what he thought of the remake. No,
maybe it'll make it feel better. Okay, Okay, I just offering.

(02:16:14):
It's just offering.

Speaker 3 (02:16:15):
Even let me see what the IMDb rating is on
that right now, because it was low for you. It's
not snow white low, but it's low.

Speaker 2 (02:16:23):
It's it's.

Speaker 3 (02:16:25):
Lord have mercy. So do we have any emails this week?

Speaker 2 (02:16:29):
I know for a fact we have one. Okay, because
this feeds into something I wanted to mention on the
show anyway, But before I do, I want to remind
you guys, you can contact us by either sending an
email to do you Even Movie pod at gmail dot
com or heading to douevenmovie dot com and sending us
a message. So, uh, this one came from Paul. Paul says,

(02:16:51):
what's up, guys, longtime listener, first time emailer.

Speaker 3 (02:16:54):
Awesome.

Speaker 2 (02:16:54):
Firstly, love the show week in and week out. I
get so many recks from y'all and even more from
Dave's life boxed. Anyways, I was just reaching out for
a link to your store. I'd love to buy a shirt,
but when I click on the store the pod pages,
it takes me to store Env's page, Baine page, and
I can't find a shirt. Well, the good news is
I fixed it. I have no idea why that happened.

Speaker 3 (02:17:17):
Yeah, shout out to our buddy Mike, who brought that
to our attention.

Speaker 2 (02:17:19):
By the way, while I was in the midst of
working at a conventional weekend. Yeah, but when I got home,
I took a look at it, especially when I saw
that email which I got earlier today, the day we're
recording this, and I was able to fix it as
far as I can tell it's working. So all you
have to do if you want to grab a shirt,
which we would very much appreciate the support, all you

(02:17:39):
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dot com and we would love to hear from you guys,
So do you Even Movie?

Speaker 3 (02:17:54):
Pod?

Speaker 2 (02:17:55):
At gmail dot com. You can also comment if you're
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(02:18:17):
and if you can leave us a rating, we do
appreciate it. Yes, so even if you want to, if
you want to be shitty, you could absolutely well. We
got we got one.

Speaker 3 (02:18:25):
I mean, if you want to, if you want to
hear me be if you want to hear me be
shitty on a little bit more of the Crow, our
buddy Mike Ashuey. On this week in Geek, we did
an episode all about The Crow and its sequels. So
we talked about City of Angels, we talked about Salvation,
we talked about Wicked Prayer, we talked about the TV series.
So you can find that episode anywhere that this week
and Geek is carried at. And that is where I

(02:18:46):
really go off on some things. Oh wow, I.

Speaker 2 (02:18:48):
Mean thank god, you were so so dued here. Yeah goodness.

Speaker 3 (02:18:52):
No, no, I didn't start the show talking about a
middle breakdown basically.

Speaker 2 (02:18:55):
Howdy no, no, no, it would only it's nothing. A
spike bracelet can't fit, right.

Speaker 3 (02:19:00):
So this wraps up April showers and fuck you, this
wraps up April showers. So that means we are moving
into May. Would you like to know what we are
talking about the month of May? And also kicking May
off with sure So we unfortunately in twenty twenty five,
have lost some big names that have had some great
careers in great films. So we are doing a theme

(02:19:20):
called May They Rest in Peace, where each week we
are going to feature one of the recently past and
one of their favorite movies or one of our favorite
movies from them, kicking it off with the respect to
the late great Michelle Trachtenberg with nineteen ninety six is
Harriet the.

Speaker 2 (02:19:36):
Spy, one of my first favorite movies as a kid.

Speaker 3 (02:19:39):
Currently available on Paramount Plus. Does not have a Blu
ray at this time, even though I argued with him
that there was.

Speaker 2 (02:19:44):
But you know, it was funny because I was so
out of it because I was like, David, if there
was a blue ray be on Amazon, and yeah, well
it would be on my shelf. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:19:52):
I swear that it was announced or something.

Speaker 2 (02:19:56):
I don't know, but I got nothing for you because Good.

Speaker 3 (02:19:59):
Burger's on blue. They've got I think the Ruggar Arts
movies even all blue right now too, So I mean
they're going through some of their nick catalogs. So this
one's gotta come soon, I would think, I especially now. Unfortunately. Yeah,
but yeah, we'll be talking about Harriett the Spy from
nineteen ninety six next week, currently available on Paramount Plus.
So if you want to revisit and cry along with us,
that's what we're talking about next week.

Speaker 2 (02:20:20):
What a sales pitch. Yeah, So on that note, it's
time to take off. So thank you guys so much
for joining us for do you even movie? We really
do appreciate it. Make sure you're subscribed, YadA YadA, et cetera,
et cetera. And uh, Dave, I'm gonna let you have
the final word, okay, because this is no, because this
is like one of your favorite movies of all time.

Speaker 3 (02:20:41):
No, absolutely, we.

Speaker 2 (02:20:41):
Talked about Terminator too. I'd hope you just shut.

Speaker 3 (02:20:43):
That's fair once in your life. So to wrap up,
I would say, if you have not seen the Crow,
whether ever you've seen, if you've never seen the Crow,
or if you haven't seen it in a while, it's
absolutely worth the rewatch. It's a great time to check
it out now with the four K transfer as well too.
And I think I think the only way for me
to say this and end this is it can't rain
all the time, or at least not next Tuesday.

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