Wishmaster (1997) – Djinn Horror, Gore, and 90s Cameo Chaos - Do You Even Movie? Exploring Obscure Gems and Cult Classics

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Don't make a sound, don't make a move, and whatever
you do, don't make a wish. Wes Craven presents We Wishmaster,

(00:23):
Be careful what you wish for? Rated R coming soon.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
In a world where podcasts reign supreme.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Two Friends Dare to Ask?

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Do You Even?

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Movie?

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Hosted by filmmaker Enrique Kuto and movie aficionado David de Noyer.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Spoiler alert, So, Dave, so hen you're wanting everybody to
fucking oh it's his birthday? Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
I mean, by the time they're hearing this, if this
is the early that they're listening to, it's dropped on
my birthday. But by the time this is dropp into
the masses, it's been what three days past birthday?

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Wait? Early? Is this Friday your birthday? No?

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Well, the June sixth when this would come out?

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Oh well, because the early yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Week before, so it'd be this Friday. Never mind, I'm
just stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
I was about to say. I was like, look, I'm
not like the best, you know, but I'm pretty sure
I remembered when your birthday was.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Are you sure?

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Well? I'm pretty sure I knew it wasn't this weekend,
because otherwise you know, I would have gotten you a
gift already that's there, or it would have been here,
would be here already.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Keith got me a four kay of the longest yard.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Hmmm, Well then Keith can also rest the.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Show by go ahead and call him just put him in.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Through the blue tooth. So how old is you now?

Speaker 2 (02:07):
I will be thirty three? Yeah, it's that exciting.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
It's a good age.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
That's not bad.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
I don't know how the how how have your thirties been?

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Honest? They've been on it, They've been honest, like it's
it's been a it's been It's been a lot of
grounding myself in the sense of realizing only homework, more
so just realizing that I can't I can't behave like
I did in my twenties too much anymore.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
What does that? What does that entail?

Speaker 2 (02:37):
I mean that entails mainly just kind of knuckling down
on getting a little bit more serious to my job,
to saving money, to that kind of stuff, like realizing
that I'm an adult and that, you know, it's it's
not a surprise that a lot of my friends and
myself included can't like party like we used to anymore,
like have more of a care for you. A lot
of my friends have kids, now that's also been a

(02:58):
big thing.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yeah, which is impressed because the birth rates are so low.
I mean, good on them. Well let's see, because this
is dropping on the third yes, yeah. Well first of all, well, okay,
so let's get philosophical. So cut one human being, a

(03:20):
child in half to save five million strangers. But you
have to do it with your bare hands.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Sure, no tools.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Sure no, that's not philosophical, it's rhetorical. But I wanted
to say something terrible.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
That's fair.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
So well you said thirty three is where you're at. Now.
I find with a lot of my friends, I basically
have decade is where I know them. I'm like, I'm like,
they're in their twenties, mid or late yeah, or they're
over thirty, or they're over forty, and they're over fifty.
But when it comes to your thirties or three years

(03:56):
in my thirties have been over all the best years
for me.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, the last few years have been a bit tumultuous,
but overall very good time for me.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah. How do you feel like, do you feel like
your thirties are on the right track or do you
feel like you're still you're still getting them right.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
I feel like they're on the right track. I mean
it goes with that saying that going through the breakup
and relearning everything in this last year to kind of
get a new routine going, as I've sure all the
show before has helped Imnsally, I would say they're going well,
going as well as they can. Yeah, I mean there's
definitely some things I can knuckle down on a little
bit more. But at the same time, it's sometimes I

(04:35):
have a very bad habit of my anxiety coming out
to a point of analyzing something that I don't need
to overanalyze.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Is that newer? No, I'm not trying to pick on
you necessarily.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
That's more so that that's more so me just becoming
a lot more aware of it through these last like
five years, especially.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Aware or annoyed both. That's fair. Yeah, I'm not trying
to pick on you. I when I I was, when
I was your age, when I was thirty three, that
was I believe right when I had my goalbladder turn Yeah,
and I had to have a surgery and I got
a real, like just lovely reminder of my mortality, which

(05:15):
is always fun always recommended. Yeah, always a good time.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
I mean, I'm starting to think I might have plantar
fasci itis in my left and my right foot because
I've been stretching.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
My the the.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Arch of my foot has been felt like it's been
stretching a little bit lately, to the point where like
it's painful ew in a certain way I walk. It
could be my shoes that I wear for work. It
could be do you use insoles not on these?

Speaker 3 (05:40):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
I haven't. I haven't put these in yet. I've got
I've got professional insoles because of my my feet.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Oh you've got like really nice high end. Yeah, you
should always wear remember i'd have my plate I remember, yea, Yeah,
you should always wear good insoles. Ow.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, it was. It sucked because I was looking up
for the symptoms today and I was like, oh, yeah,
I've got like three that match into plant fascia ida.
And I'm just like, I'm not loving that.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
I mean, you haven't you have health insurance you just
go to a doctor.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, I got health insurance that doesn't fucking cover an
urgent care view or a visit.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
I mean that surprises me. I I but but then again,
you're talking to a guy who has had insurance for
about nine months. Yeah, and before that, I had insurance
for one year when I was twenty.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Ever since I have gone to my current workplace, it
has been a surprise as to what is covered and
what is not. Because you remember that time that I
got my physical and they wouldn't cover it because I
had actually gotten a full fledged physical versus the physical
that they want at work, which is basically just blood
work and checking like a couple other things.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Well, that's strange because generally physicals are one of the
few things that's inarguably covered because it's because anything that's
preventative or for general health is not supposed to be
an issue. I'm surprised. Like with my insurance anyway, which
obviously I had to buy myself, it does say like

(06:57):
right there, what copays are for a normal doctor, is
what kops are at urging care, and what cops are
or what the co insurance is at a emergency room. Yeah,
so that does surprise me. I felt bad for you
because you were like, hey, I just got hit with
the spill and I had literally just paid twenty bucks
to go to urgent care the day before well.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
And that's the thing is like it was back in
March when I had the flu really bad and I
didn't get anything until just like a week ago, and
I was just like, damn took long enough.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Well that's normal. Yeah, that is normal because it was
a bill from your insurance, not from the urgent care place. Yeah,
they just scanned my insurance number and then we're like
us twenty bucks.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Did I tell you about what happened in Troy about
a week ago? I don't think so Kettering Health that
we got hit with ransomware.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Oh no, I heard about that. My mother was telling
me about that. Because that happened. I thought that happened everywhere.
It happened everywhere, but I mean in Kettering Health that work, Yeah,
Kettering Health over yeah, which I was relieved because I
had my my ear taking care of the day before. Yeah,
that weekend.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Because they even said anybody that logged into my chart
was susceptible to it.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Thank god, I haven't logged in and yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, same, I haven't logged in since it happened.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Well, you know, all I'm saying is your your insurance,
I would assume, is more transparent than you might realize.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
From what I saw on the bill, there was like
I said, like, and I said, I sent, I sent
it to you. I believe there was like one hundred
dollars that was taken off. And I don't know if
that was insurance because on the on the line it's
at insurance zero dot. No.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
What what was taken off was the discount that your
insurance bargains with the healthcare providers for you, because even
when they cover everything, it'll say like health insurance discount
and then insurance covers and then you know what you owe.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
And fifty four dollars to get steroids, to find out
I didn't have flu airb and to get my temperature taken.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Well, in their defense, they were willing to do it
rerectfully when you requested, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean
I didn't think you should go to urge Care.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Well, I mean it was more so just I don't
want to get into that because that that was actually
something that really pissed me off.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Not gonna lie that I didn't think you should go.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
It was a combination of just how I was feeling
versus interacting with people. It wasn't it was specific you were.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
You were clearly just generally overwhelmed.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, trust days, I had burned all my fucking work
days and that like all my sick days were gone, right,
And that had been a month before that when I'd
gotten like that little throat incident and whatnot. And then yeah,
then I got full fledged flu and yeah, then.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
No, I mean I understand being frustrated. Yeah, and that's
kind of the hard part. Like, for instance, I had
a really pernicious something or other a few months back,
and I just had my physical three weeks ago or
something like that. But I mentioned to my doctor that
I had been struggling with it, and I told him
kind of what was going on, and I was like, yeah,

(09:40):
if it had gone on like another week, I probably
would have called you. And he's like, yeah, really, we're
not going to do anything. Yeah, you know, I mean
we'll look at you, but like what can we do?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Like getting getting the steroids was my main, my main
goal because it was just like whatever I was doing
wasn't working.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Well. He had just and I get that. Yeah, well,
he basically said, now I feel bad. He basically said
like that, Like all we could really do is like
give you stories to placate you. Yeah, because in general,
it just takes as long as it's going to take.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
He said that. The big worry is if it ramps
up worse, but if it's getting better but just really slow.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
And this is the things because life sucks. It didn't
it wasn't getting better anything.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
But it wasn't getting worse.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Uh no, it did because remember I got a full
fledged fever and was breaking out in sweats. Yeah, well
that wasn't first up.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
No, no, but but your illness has to hit a
has to hit a peak. Yeah, and then it begins
to go down. Well, so the worry is if it
starts to go down and then goes right back up. Yeah,
that's when it starts to become worried.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
The biggest concern that I had was I had had
people in my car that weekend before, So I mean
that was that was basically me trying to figure out
what the hell was going on, and then taking the
medicine that I did suppressed it, which suppressed the fever,
and then that that was a whole other thing.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
My god. Yeah. Well, and and that's the other thing
is I think that we got especially after everything you know,
over twenty twenty, I think we got a little too
sounds weird, but a little too mindful about getting sick.
Not that we shouldn't try not to make other people
sick or YadA YadA, but I mean it used to
be when you got sick, you just dealt with it.

(11:13):
Dealt with it, yeah, until either it got got wory, worse,
or it went away. Like over December, I was sick
like it like the congestion and sore throat hung on
for a month, yeah, and it was so annoying, and
I remember literally thinking, if I don't start getting this
flem doesn't start leaving, I'm going to go to urgent care.
I was actually out of town where I had that thought,

(11:33):
And then two days later it was almost completely gone.
I was like, but I'd waited. That was a long
time in it sucked.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Well, it was the what what alerted me to the problem,
not just the fever when the fever showed its face,
but what alerted me to the problem was the not
to get gross. But the mucus just got thicker and
became more frequent, and that was not something I was
used to.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
No, No, it probably probably getting dehydrated, which sucks. And
because I'm not here to pick on you like, ah,
you should have went to the doctor. That's not my point. Yeah,
My point is that that sometimes it's hard when you
get it in your head like no, I need this,
this should be done, this should be done. We get
that in our mindset, and it's very hard when it's
like a general infection that that everybody goes through as

(12:15):
time goes on. It's not an easy call. No, it
really isn't. So I'm not you know, I'm not here
to pick on you. I'm glad that you got the
peace of mind you needed, which is a part of
getting better at all. So but but so, to move
away from that specific thing, if you had to choose
what was the biggest what was the biggest change to

(12:39):
you did? Do you feel like your twenties was the
biggest one or you feel like your thirties is the
biggest one.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Thirties has probably been the biggest because I've definitely felt
that my maturity has gotten a lot sharper, even just
going back through some of my Facebook statuses in my twenties,
that's some of them have magically disappeared, you know, when
it's bizarre. Yeah, it's weird, But no, no, I would
say definitely. It's my maturity has as gotten a lot

(13:03):
sharper in the last uh yeah, probably the last three years,
I would say, because it's just like it's it's that
whole mindset of I'm I am am a legal adult,
and I need to act like one. And also there's
a point where you become your own worst enemy with
those situations.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
I would say that in life. Yeah, usually if you
have a worst enemy, or even an enemy at all,
it's gonna be it's.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Gonna be you. Yeah, And I think that was that
was the issue, was it was just you. You kind
of have to come out of a place in your
mind where the problems are not yours. And I don't
and I don't mean that everybody's in denial of being
the wrongdoer in that situation, but more so it was
just I was I was completely okay with being miserable

(13:49):
with the fact that my college had screwed me and
that I'd had a boss that was completely a monster before,
and yeah, was living on those on those times and
those thoughts and just predicting that that was the issue
and that it wasn't my fault. Whereas when I finally
started like being like you know I could actually change
it if I if I actually wanted to like and
I could and I could find better And I mean
that's kind of been the hardest thing, is just coming

(14:11):
out of my mindset of the stubbornness of waiting on
things to happen and not making them happen. That's that's
been a very very big one because it's very easy
complacent in your laziness. I mean, it is the best
way to put it. Well, I I mean I I wouldn't.
I mean, I think that's a little on the harsh
side to me to throw. I mean, you're not the laziest.

(14:35):
I'm not. But there's there's time there there are times
where I really do We've had this discussion before where
it's just like I think about doing the thing and
the things that I could do and whatnot, and then
I waste all my time thinking about them rather than
doing them. M And yeah, I mean that's that's just
falling into a web that I have to break out of. Sometimes.
It's just like that whole thing with like cleaning my
apartment top to bottom, like it needed it, and it

(14:57):
needed it for a while, but no one was going
to do it except me.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Well, the funny thing is, I mean I will feel lazy, yeah,
and I know if I stop, you know, collaborate and listen.
But no, I know if that if I stop and
look wide, I know that I'm one of the busier
people I know. And that's not a humble brag. It's
just like I can sometimes I will beat myself up

(15:22):
and it's like it's the third fifteen hour day in
a row, and I've accomplished a lot of you and
I could even like see you know, a pile of
things that are done or whatever. But sometimes you just
can't accept that. So it is good that you're looking
at yourself in that way. But that's the hardest part

(15:42):
is there's a fine, a very fine line between holding
yourself accountable and either pitying yourself or even worse, resenting
yourself yourself, because once you resent yourself, you'll get more
of the thing that you don't like, because resentment really
he likes to feel well.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
And it's like you know somebody, you know, you can't
relate to this at all, but as somebody that's like
a collector and you know, like has movies and all
this stuff like surrounding it, there's times where I would like,
look at my apartment and I would be like, you know,
why do I have these money issues? Hmm, I wonder
And it's just like that was you know, that was
kind of a wake up too, where it was just
like retail therapy, for one, is such a dangerous pitfall

(16:22):
to get into.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Oh yeah, and it's very popular.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
It's very very popular. And honestly kind of accepted it
in a sense because I mean it's it's widely thought
that you know, sometimes just you know, treating yourself is,
treat yourself is the thing to do. And the problem
is is when you do that consistently and you just
pile up more things, then when is it? When is
it enough? And that was that was where I was
getting to where it was just like I have all

(16:47):
these books and I want to read more, and then
yet I keep buying more books and makes no sense.
Same thing with movies. It's just like, you know, I
the amount of movies I owned it one time that
I hadn't seen used to be a brag, and then
I remember, slowly it became a this is a fucking problem.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yeah, it became a bit of a depressing thing. Now
I get that I mean, you're talking to a guy
who I think I just checked it. I've sold somewhere
in the neighbor of seventy or eighty items on eBay
from my movie collection. Yeah, and mostly nothing rare, mostly
stuff for a dollar, you know here, seventy cents. Sometimes

(17:21):
I even let a few things go when i'd lose
three or four cents, I was like, yeah, but at
least somebody will enjoy it. I do think it's a
sin to throw away a movie, even if it's something
as you know, that's everywhere and everybody can always get it.
It just sucks to think it would just be in
the trash. Yeah, some people worked really hard on that movie,
so it's been an interesting exercise. And I don't even

(17:43):
need money. I mean, the money doesn't hurt, but I
need shelf space desperately because I refuse to grow that.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
I made that decision, and that's where I've gotten to.
I've got essentially, I have three shelves that I keep
on movies on. One is a giant black bookshelf that
houses my movies, my novelizations, movie tie in books to
all that stuff. And then I've got two shelves that
house the rest of my collection. It's just I've told myself,
I'm not getting any more shelves, like I will fill
these and that is it. So anytime that I get

(18:12):
like my surplus in that, I'm going to reorganize my
collection for I'm usually polling stuff while I also reorganized.
That's the easiest way to do it.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, actu already and then yeah, thick of it.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
And that was I mean, that was also something that
it just took a while to do because even even
though there were there was a time that I held
on to movies that I knew I wasn't going to
watch again, it was just to have them as the collection,
to have that number in the collection. I used a
program that cataloged my entire system and all that stuff,
and I've just kind of gotten away from that because
it's like I want to keep the stuff I enjoy,
Like it's fun to have the conversation talking movies, Like

(18:44):
do I want to get another copy of Cannibal Holocaust
at some point?

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Absolutely, But I don't consider Cannibal Holocaust a conversation movie,
though I consider it one of the best problems.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Tell me it's a great movie. But I mean, I
don't wake up. I don't wake up on a Sunday
and be like cannibal Holocaust. Maybe that's why your mood
isn't Maybe that's exactly why.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Maybe that's your problem.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
But no, like it's just there's there has been a
deep like expiration, expiration inside of me to figure out
what it is that actually makes me happy and actually
what what and what do I want to keep versus
what do I think that I want to keep.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
So what you're saying is you feel that materialism is empty? Yeah,
is it time for Christ yet?

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Or we had our days with Christ for good?

Speaker 3 (19:26):
No? But I mean this is a real thing, oh yeah,
that people are dealing with all the time, is realizing
that buying things isn't necessarily going to get you where
you want.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Well, I mean, and it's gotten even worse in the
sense of digital because it's like, you know, people will
spend money on digital items, myself included, and it's just
like I could wake up tomorrow and my voodoo could
be wiped out. I hope it's not. Really it would
be a big deal if it be a big deal.
But that's what I'm saying, Like, it's just like that
that that option is there. It's very unlikely, but like
that option.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
I mean your home could also burn down and also
burned down. Yeah, I mean, like that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
It's like, it's that that's the whole thing of just
like I have been really trying to be better on
not jumping into retail therapy and more so just trying
to pick up a movie I own, pick up a
book I own, and enjoy it. And I mean that's
that's honestly been a big wake up because it's just
like there's so much that just sits after a while
on my shelves that I'm just like, I remember how

(20:20):
excited I was when I got it from Amazon or
when I got in the store, and then I never
did anything with it, because.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
It becomes a job to watch all of these things
when your mood is really to just doom scroll.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, which is very easy to do nowadays, especially.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Nowadays, especially Yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm definitely I've been
trying to do attention like I'm trying to be the
word like I've been trying to work on my attention
span by refusing myself my phone, Yeah, which is I
hate how great it feels when I put it in

(20:53):
the other room and then I won't Yeah, at night,
I know. I mean I mean at night, not when
I have to work and stuff, because you know, sometimes
I really have to reap all the time, which is
a delight and I love every aspect of that need.
But no, it's it's a tough spot to be in.

(21:14):
I I didn't have a big philosophical thirties moment, but
I think my twenties were way too intense compared to
most people. I definitely have noticed that a lot of
people friends I have, you know that around thirty twenty nine,
thirty or whatever, they start to get that feeling of

(21:35):
like I need to like do things. And I was
compulsively doing things very early on, constantly, and I didn't
have a care free party time in my life. Ever. Yeah,
that that literally didn't didn't happen, which I'm not It's

(21:55):
not really something I regret, although it is funny because
a lot of my friends will be like, now I
need to buckle down and work more, and I'm I'm
at the I need to work less and I need
to find ways to enjoy some of the things. Yeah,
So it is a weird spot to be in because
the day after this is a special day. Well what's

(22:17):
that when this episode airs?

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Oh, oh, it's going to be your Independence day?

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Independence day, as I call it, independent Day.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
I call it Independence Day.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
I'll take it because June fourth is the anniversary of
when I stopped having a jobby job and started doing
whatever the fuck it is that I do. Yeah, and
making my living doing that. That'll be eleven years.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
I can't believe that.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah, I thought. I feel like I just got done
celebrating ten and being like, holy crap, ten, Holy crap, ten,
Holy crap ten and now eleven eleven, Yeah, which is
exactly what all my friends saidould happen.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
And I mean in that time, you also completed it
with your Master two, which was the bird hovering over
you for a good bit.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
I mean we're really getting.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Really but I mean, like principal photography is done.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Oh yeah, no, it's and and that's cut and everything.
So no, it's I guess it's a time of reflection.
I'm glad that you're that you want to hold yourself
more accountable. You just definitely need to try not to
beat up on yourself the way. It's hard.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
I think it's hard because I feel like it really
has to get through me sometimes, and sometimes the only
way it can is by the absolute like beat down
to get it like and get me into sumission. I
guess the best way to say it in that sense,
and I think where it stems from most is just
not wanting to fall back into those routines by far,

(23:39):
but then also seeing a lot of people that I
know and I'm friends with kind of having those issues
that I did, and and kind of like not wanting
to reciprocate that I don't like, I don't know how
to put it, like, It's just like I I worry
that sometimes bad habits of those around me can can
bleed onto me.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
Oh yes, yeah, now that's a very sincere issue. Yeah,
you do have to kind of be careful how you
spend your time.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, absolutely, And.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
I guess actually, I mean the best thing I did
in my twenties really and into my early thirties was
I just got rid of the people, yeah that I
noticed weren't very happy for me.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
You have to, I mean you have to, because it
just it just gets to a point where you are
weighed down by that and you may not even realize,
like one of the things that I've made myself recently.
Is a rule for SLL for scrolling, actually like it
for social media is I don't look at comments, like
I'm done looking at comments, because sometimes I would literally
go searching for comments that like were either of the negative.
Like if there's like a news article or something, which

(24:42):
I don't even follow of any of the news like
places anymore. But if there's like a news article and
I and I see what the topic is and I'm
just like, oh, I'm sure people have something to say,
I would go look for those.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Comments and then maybe drop a little anger.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Not that much, not so much then it was more
it was more so, I would say, not so much
now it was more so, Yeah, more so back, Yeah,
that was that was a very big issue of just
wanting to engage when it had no endgame at all.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Sure. Well, and because I would usually my my signal
to try and help, as I would, I would just
send you a little salty Dave is striking because some days,
you know, we're pissed.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Oh yeah, And I mean it was and it was easy.
That's the one thing I hate about just how things
have become the way they have, is it it's become
so easy to be vile online. It's become so easy
to just completely be unpleasant and do it for the
sake of just doing it. I mean, my no shade
to my roommate. He loves to rage bait. He like
he loves to troll and rage bait. Yes, so I

(25:41):
see that stuff, and I mean, I'm not surprised by
him at all, but I see that stuff and I'm
just like, oh, yeah, I remember what that was like
and how it was not fulfilling at all.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
It's a quick fix.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
You have an idea that you're going to change somebody's mind.
You're never going to change somebody's mind online. Now you're
hoping you make them kind of mad. Yeah, you're hoping
that you'll be right. Yeah, Well that's it. I mean winning,
winning in our mean or yeah, or giving giving a
different viewpoint that is going to lead somebody in different directions.
A never gonna happen and be Yeah, you're either going
to piss yourself off or with not other people in
doing so.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Except that one guy on Instagram that I convinced they
come or else they come at night was good. Yeah,
that was the weirdest it actually worked, he rethought. He
was like, maybe wasn't that bad. I'm gonna watch it again.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Well, it's like even to even go through in some
of our some of our shorts on your YouTube channel,
which just like I see some comments that A you
haven't engaged with and I haven't either, and it's just
there's somewhere of just like what are you getting at?

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Sometimes sometimes I get a kick out of engaging. Yeah,
Like there was that guy who somebody commented something along
the lines of like guy mustache, pink glasses. Guy, Oh
my god, Yeah, you wouldn't get in several of those. No,
that was just one.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Well I've seen two that were just specifically calling out
I like your vibe was one of them.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
I thought you meant that were negative. Well those were
the same day, on different videos, one personally following this
guy solely for vibes, and the other one was this
guy so like this is so desperate for attention, which
was extra funny because first of all, I mean a
couple of points. Number one, those glasses are insane. Yeah,
they If I could design my own glasses, my pink

(27:13):
glasses or magentas what they really there would not be
that big. Yeah. I don't actually like glasses that huge. Yeah,
that was where I could get the color from. But
number two, no shit, I want attention, for fuck's sake.
What do you think birds these microphones? Do you think
these microphones just popped up and then these cameras have
popped up? No, I had to have a father that
didn't love me in order to get all this stuff.

(27:33):
Are you kidding? Come on? Come on? But I did
enjoy commenting to that guy, and all I said was, ah,
got attention from you works like a charm. And I
meant it too, So I mean, I don't love when
people are mean though, But I mean I I lived
through the IMDb message boards. Yeah, so with movies out.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
I've just gotten I've gotten to that point of not
seeing any any real I mean, like even on our
local town page like I used to. I used to
thrive on there.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Oh that's the worst place.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
And that is a place I do not get way more.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Well, that's the worst place because now you have people.
I mean, what's the one thing that can gather people
together that has nothing to do with who they are
as people? Your geography. You're generally speaking, the people that
live in your town are going to be of every opinion,
every creed, every everything. Yeah, so you can find a
fight as.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Quick as as you want, oh yeah, or you.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Can have what I had had to happen, which is
somebody bought a bunch of rare movies off me on
eBay and then it turns out they live literally in
the same town. There you go, which was really funny.
And he messaged me on Facebook and he was like,
I think I just bought a bunch of movies from you.
And I was like and I was like, I think
I mailed them today and he was like, oh, that
I'll have tomorrow. I was like, yeah, you're like down
the block. Yeah, so don't leave a bad feedback because
I'll just come and kill you. But no, then that's

(28:46):
but it's good. And I've noticed that you haven't been,
you know, arguing with people and stuff like that. It
is hard. I don't really think that it's necessarily the
easiest time to troll. I mean most people not you
know on like the facebooks and whatever it have their
real names. Yeah, to some extent, the trolls really have
to go out of their way now to be anonymous

(29:07):
as to where like in the days of IRC chats
and message boards.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Boy, you can keep there and be a fucking menace.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
And you still can if you know where to look. Yeah. So,
but no, I'm glad that you're feeling your thirties. I
think it scares a lot of people. Yeah, their thirties.
I'm curious how I'm going to react to my forties
because I didn't have a big weird thirties moment. Yeah,
other than but maybe before my thirtieth birthday when I
noticed the first really long gray hair, yeah, on my head.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
That would do that on my head, I think. I think, honestly,
what it comes down to is you are you're going
to go in the path that you choose to go into.
If you want to hold on to things that have
been either creating negativity or struggles and not taking the
advantage of just trying to cut that stuff loose or
even just change those habits, then you're gonna get stuck

(29:58):
that way. Sure, And I mean that was that was
basically what I had to tell myself was it was
just like, no one's making you read these comments, no
one's making you go after the stuff. No one's telling
you to be the voice and the right In this sense.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
The hardest realization in life is that no one's making
you do much of any no.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
And that you're not special like that's those are words
that I live by now because it's just like everybody
who's ever had a problem thinks that their problem amounts
to something different than anybody else, and you're not taking
into account that this world is pretty fucking huge.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean I think that we have a
problem with accepting that. There was a thing I read
in a book that really like hit me hard, which
was that we have to understand that grief is gaseous,
like it's like a gasp, and our hearts are like
a big open chamber. Yeah, and it will fill it
no matter, any amount of grief will fill a heart.

(30:53):
So while it is easy to be like, oh my god,
like you, you know, oh my god, you have a
flat tire and you're gonna have to go you know,
you're gonna have to borrow money from your mom to
pay for it. Well, my family was in the Holocaust. Yeah,
you have to have some empathy.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Yeah, well, yeah, you absolutely do.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
But it can be hard because sometimes people are dicks, yeah,
with their pain, and that's where it gets really hard.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Well, and I think That's also a very big struggle
for me, is that I try to be somebody that
is helpful to people and will give my time and
whatever I can to help some people. And it's just
like I don't see as much of that as I
guess I would be happy to see. I mean, that's
you mean, like on the open Internet, Yeah, I mean
like and honestly out in general nowadays, because it just

(31:37):
seems like there's again just kind of going back to
that whole negative mindset of things. It's just like if
you if you look for the bad things, you're going
to find the bad things. It's more so if you
actually open your eyes up to see something good. That's
kind of the challenge sometimes mm hmm. So to appreciate
things is hard, yeah, And I think that's where you know,
I've really had to strive, is just not focusing on
the negative so much and looking at what is good.

(31:58):
And also it could always be worse. Like That's been
the big thing that I've really tried to keep in
mind lately, is that it could always be worse. Like
even with those car troubles I had or the breakup
and everything, it was just like I have an apartment Yeah,
it's you know, it's lonely now and I don't have
the cats or anything like that, and I'm by myself.
But then my roommate came and like my roommates about
me for a year now, and it's just like there's

(32:19):
always things that could be worse, And if you look
at it from that standpoint, it helps make things a
lot better when things actually do improve, because then you're
not so dour and waiting for that to happen. And
also like can also make that happen for that matter.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Sure, well, if you don't appreciate something, then it may
as well not exist. Yeah, if you don't acknowledge something
that it may as well not exist. Yeah, it's very
very easy trap to fall into. Yeah, whether it's because
you believe everything's fucked, or if it's that you believe
you deserve so much more or what have you, it
gets hard.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
It gets very hard. And I mean it hasn't gotten
easier in the last five years with COVID and all
that stuff. I still stand by the fact that I
think it fucked a lot of people up, and they
still have not realized that they either need some kind
of help or just need to cut some things loose.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
I think a lot of people know that they're not
quite as right as they used to be.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
I would hope, I would hope.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
I think it's a lot I would hope because that
was that was a mess and u and very hard
on people, especially people who already had emotional issues to
begin with. Yeah, I mean I I could. I couldn't
tell you how many friends have told me that they
drank too much. I ate too much. That was my
go to was I was eating and eating and it
wasn't good for me obviously, So yeah, it The biggest

(33:34):
thing is, you know, really lean into that that nobody's
making you do much of anything. It's funny because people
that's I feel like that's the most popular opiate of
the masses, is to believe that they're not your choices.
Like you have a job and you have a boss,
But how much do they force you to do in
a day? Not very much?

Speaker 2 (33:55):
No, I mean, in all honesty, like, where a lot
of my issues were striving from, I would say in
the last year was not not before the change position,
because I mean this is even kind of carried over
to the change position. But I was upset because I
was being made to work at work. And I mean
that was that, And that was like where I had
to take a step back and be like, why are
we upset that that we're supposed to be doing the

(34:18):
thing that we're getting paid for. Like it was just
that whole realization of stop being such a little bitch
about it and just do the job. Sometimes we get
entitled to things because we're getting them. We think that
we just deserve to always have them. Yeah, that's a
really hard lesson. That's one thing I appreciate about how
I make a living. For all the complaints I can have,
and I have plenty of them, I never feel entitled

(34:39):
to anything financially because everything I get I get through
through like direct work. Yeah, as opposed to like when
you work in an office, you're you're however many you know,
delineations from where the money actually comes from. You know,
you don't really feel like you are earning money as
a part of the machine. That can be hard too,

(35:00):
and a lot of people get like that, and that
is what leads to you treating yourself is because you
think every day just feels like the hustle to it
and then you're just like, oh, I need something to
take the edge off. Well, when you're doing that every
single day, that's a problem.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Well and especially when you think that, you know, just
doing your job alone is enough bullshit. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
It's a vicious cycle.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
It is. It is, And I've had My biggest problem
in life has been that I've I've run into many
people over the years who don't appreciate if I have
a complaint, you know, because they're like, oh, well, you
get to do what you want every day, and I'm like,
you don't even know what it means to do what
you want every day. Yeah, it's not what you think
it is. It's very different. Oh yeah, I'm not independently wealthy.
I just do what I want.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Well.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
And also for money, I think a lot of people
don't realize that when you are your own boss, that
means that you have to be the one that makes
the money come in. It doesn't there's no schedule to it.
It's basically how you get your work done on the
timely matter. For that matter.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
It was like when I had that ear infection, you know,
and my mother was like, well, hopefully you'll get to
like really rest and and everything, because this was a
Thursday after I've been diagnosed and you've got in my
meds and I was like, not now, and she was like, well,
when will you finally do that? I was like Monday
and she was like are you serious? And I was like,
I already planned my weekend.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
And if I don't do it, nobody does, so, you know,
And I try. I try to take care of myself.
I try not to hustle and grind to death. But
I do feel bad for people who just look at
the things they have to do to maintain the life
they literally want. And there are plenty of people who
realize they don't want it. But that's another problem too,
because at some point you lost a little bit of

(36:38):
your perspective.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, And I would say that also falls in line
with the fact that I think some people want to
be compensated for the things that they enjoy doing. But
the problem is is that you don't get that lucky
well well, or you're not willing to do it for nothing.
That's the biggest thing is it's just like, you know,
I do podcasts. I don't get paid for these podcasts.
I just do them because I enjoy doing them.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
I know I pay for this podcast I know well
that it's funny because the pod, you know, Weekly Spooky,
which does do very you know, we're not the most
successful podcast at the wall, but it is definitely a
profit that took four years before it broke.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Even Yeah, and you never missed a day in those
four years.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Still haven't. Yeah, still haven't, still haven't. And believe me,
I I'm like, but when am I going to break that?
And then every time I'm like, maybe you don't. Yeah,
it's like, oh that's a great mentality. We'll see, we'll
see how long that lasts. But no, so yeah it
and and then the grass is always greener is a
big problem too well.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
I mean I think went to some all this up,
I would say, you you are the one that dictates
your future. I mean, you're the one that dictates basically
how things go. It's all your actions, it's what you
think in that moment and all that stuff. And if
you do not take the second to take notice of
what you have versus what you want and how to
get it, then all you're gonna do is keep wondering

(37:57):
why I don't have these things and repeating the cycle.
I mean that that is verbatim what one can do
to piss themselves off more than anything is just completely standstill.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
And then some people decide, well, the problem is capitalism
or the Jews, or some combination of those two.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
I mean, people are gonna name their problems, so they're
gonna name their problems.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Yeah, but they tend to be those two things a
lot of the time, which is a bizarre turn of events. Yeah.
I'll have to bring that up at the next Satyr
I attend.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
So speaking of bizarre turn of events, a bizarre.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Turn of events. So before we get to the film
real quick, we did just get back from seeing a
movie that was friggin' awesome, Yes we did. We just
saw best Friend or not best Friends Friendship? Yeah, I
keep wanting to call it best friends, Yeah, friendship, best fiends,
best friends best fiends. But this is a movie that
kind of came out of nowhere. Yeah, and blew my mind.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Pretty well, which shocks me, because I think you should
leave with Tim Robinson is a show that you would love,
and it shocks me that you haven't seen an episode
of it yet. But like, now that you've seen his humor,
you know exact actly what you're getting into, because this
movie was basically like a full length feature episode.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Of that, except it seemed to be lampooning him for
being the way he is.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
That's how he just completely is.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Well, I get that because I think you should. Is
that a show? Where's his skitch?

Speaker 2 (39:13):
So it's it's it's sketches on like fifteen minute episodes
on Netflix.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
That's wrong with that? I just I just bet, like
I guess, when you prolong it, then it becomes what
that movie becomes. No, I'm curious to give it a watch.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
It's fun, I'm curious, but yeah, Friendship, The IMDb synopsis says,
a suburban dad falls hard for his charismatic new neighbor.
That's all it says.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
I mean that is the long of the short.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yes of it. It's it's not a horror movie per se.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
No, but I guess.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
There's elements, But I mean it's it's a I wouldn't
even call it a dark comedy like I would you would,
Oh yeah, okay, black comedy. Sure, okay, it's a black comedy.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Then no, it's a very I mean, the humor is
about very dark parts of an individual person. It is
very much and about a weird amount of honesty. Yeah,
a weird amount of honesty. I mean, the movie opens.
This is not a good spoiler. So the movie opens
with this guy and his wife in a support group

(40:15):
for survivors of cancer. And when I look back at it,
because he just kind of makes a couple jokes, he's
not He's not like inappropriate or like overly whatever. There
is awkward, but he's very awkward. But what what I
really gained from that as I watched the movie later on,
was most people gain perspective from something like that.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah, he did not.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
It seems like he didn't get a lot from it.
He did not, and that's sad and scary in a way.
So I don't know. I really did enjoy the movie.
But it also it said some stuff about friendship that
I thought was really interesting. So that I can't mention
or totally soiled a freaking movie, but I thought it
was great. I thought he and Paul Red were a

(40:59):
very good voices.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Kate Mara, I was really happy to see you back
in action.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Yeah she's she's phenomenal and everything. So but yeah, definitely
worth going to see. I hope I didn't check how
it's doing in the theater.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Uh, I don't need if that has anything yet, let
me check. I'm on the page literally. Okay, So it
does have budget, but it's grossed about eight million so far.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Probably costs around fifteen so it's it's doing all right. Yeah,
and it could get an upswing from good word of mouth,
unlike Mcgruber, and I wouldn't be surprised if it got
a huge upswing from word of mouth.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Speaking of which, I have watched the first two episodes
of the show on Peacock and it completely like goes
right into the after the movie, so like the series
starts with his wife singing a song about what happened
in Macgrober and then getting you caught up the speed
on what's been going on, and then we are introduced
to Macgroober getting out of prison. Billy Zane's the villain.
It's really really funny. Okay, good, So if you have

(41:53):
not seen the series and you liked Macgrooverer, check out
the series. It's been pretty good so far.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
And I want to mention real quick before we jump
into the film in a shocking turn of events, where
there is a topic that one of the films that
has touched me the most in the last decade or
More has just hit Netflix. Yes, Pig starring Nicholas Cage,
and I just cannot recommend enough that people watch it.

(42:17):
When it was on Hulu, I was always telling people
to watch it. Well, now it's on Netflix, watch it.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
It's a five star film.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
It's an excellent movie about what it is to be
great at something, what it is to want to be great,
what it is to experience greatness. There's a lot, it
covers a lot.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
It's one of Nicholas Cage's best films. It's one of
his most loved films by himself, like he that's one
of his top three movies that he picks that he loves.
And also it is the trailer is very deceiving. It
is not Liam Neeson style taken with a pig.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Yeah, it's not John Wick with a pig. It's very
very different. Yeah, but totally worth watching. But Dave, now
that you are older and apparently gaining.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Wisdom, wisdom and d what would be.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Your birthday wish?

Speaker 2 (43:02):
My birthday wishes? God, that's a good question. Probably more
than anything right now, it would be that I can
get my car situation figured out this year successfully.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Okay, so the turn on that is you die in
your car.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
That's fair yay, because we're.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Talking about a movie that I have always had a
soft spot for since I rented it on tape.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
I could see that at Blockbuster. Wish Master from nineteen
ninety seven, and.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
This is Dave's birthday pick.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yes it is film, Yes it is.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
And it had been a little while. I think I
hadn't rewatched it since you and I watched it when
the box had.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
The box that came out.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Yeah, weak script.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Oh yeah, it's not. It's it's not a great movie.
It's not a good movie. It's a great movie.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
It's it's a fun as as as fun as a
barrel of monkeys. Yeah, but so give us the pertin
indeeds Davy.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Wish Master from nineteen ninety seven. One hour and thirty minutes.
That's right, ninety minutes on the nose rate it R
for horror, violence, gore, and language. Oh that's IMDb synopsis says,
a damata gin attempts to grant its owner three wishes,
which will allow him to summon his brethren too earth.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
That's kind of my synopsis.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
After a priceless statue is destroyed and evil gin is
released and takes human forms, claiming lives and souls in
an attempt to bring the end times unless a young
woman can defeat him.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Wordy but accurate, much better than the IMDb synopos taglines.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Oh Lord, if three wishes are granted, hell will be
unleashed on Earth.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
That's a good one.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, be careful what you wish for.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Obvious, but an oldie, but a goodie. I mean, if
it works, it works.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Don't make a sound, don't make a move, and above
all else, don't make a wish kind of like that one.
I mean that's like for the video store pis. Oh yeah,
because it's a really long beg for your life, pray
for your soul. But whatever you do, don't make a wish.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
That one's okay, not quite as good as the last one.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Your next wish could be your last.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
It's okay.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
That one's all right and finally magically powered, supernaturally evil, Okay, okay,
magically delicious wish Master at this time. Currently available on
Prime Movie, Sphere, Plex, Pluto, Pluto, Roku, and Tubi everywhere
you want to be, Yes it is. Our director on
the film is mister Robert Kurtzman. He gets his start

(45:27):
as director and writer on the Demolitionist in nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Yeah yeah, I forgot. I always forget about the Demolitionists.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Goes on to both write and direct The Rage in
two thousand and seven. He is the director on wish
Master in ninety seven, Buried Alive in two thousand and seven,
Deadly Impact in twenty ten. He also gets a writer
credit on the story from From Dusk Till Dawn in
nineteen ninety six.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Yeah yeah, he worked on that event, yep.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
And then buckle up because we've got special effects for him.
He does special effects on Terror Vision eighty six, From Beyond, Predator,
Deep Star six, Nightmare, Downs Street three, Dream Warriors or
No night Mare, dum Street five, Dream Child, Sorry to
say that's yeah, Little Early Tremor's Brighter Reanimator Jason goes
to hell Skinner, Little Nicky Hulk, Buried Late Phases Secret

(46:08):
Sanna also does make up for Knight of the Creeps
in eighty six, Evil Dead two, The Hidden Phantasm, Intruder
Night Mamary elm Street five, Halloween five, Fan of the
Opera of Robert England, Leather Faced Texas, Chainsaw three, l
Excuse Me A Tales from the Dark Side of the Movie, Misery,
Army of Darkness, Doctor Giggles, Make Maniac Cop Three, Badge
of Silence, Body Bags, Pumpkinhead two, Blood Wings, Pulp Fiction

(46:28):
From Dust Till Dawn, Scream, Boogie Knights, Wishmaster in ninety seven,
John Carpenter's Vampires, A Simple Plan, previous Episode, Oh Yeah,
The Faculty, The Green Mile, rat Race, Ghosts of Mars,
Cabin Fever, Bad Boys two, Hostile three, John Dies at
the End, Texas, Chainsaw, Tusk, The Funhouse, Massacre, Don't Kill It,
Gerald's Game Ma and Doctor Sleep in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Oh, now, did you say you worked on Phantasm the first.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
One he worked on? I want to say Phantasm two?

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Okay. At first I thought I heard just Phantasm. I
was like, that seems a little surprising.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
It could be, though, Is it Phantasm two? Yeah, Fantasy
two eighty Yeah yeah. A writer on the film is
Peter Aikins or Atkins, depending on which credit you go with.
It's Aikins on IMDb, It's Atkins in the film.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
That's interesting, Okay.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
He is the writer on nineteen ninety eight's hell Bound
Hell Razor two screenplay.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
For Okay, that's a good screenplay.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Inside Out in ninety one, Hell Raisor three, Hell on Earth,
First north Star or Fist of north Star. In ninety five,
Hell Raisor Bloodline gets character credits for version of Science
Wishmaster in ninety seven wish Master two. He gets credits
for character Wishmaster three, Beyond Gates of Hell, Wishmaster four,
and Prisoners of the Sun.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Okay, Prisoners of the Sun.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yeah. A cinematographer is Jacques Hapkin. He gets his start
on nineteen They have that name? Yeah you do nineteen
seventy twos, ABC After School Special. Goes on to shoot
The Hitter in seventy eight, Swap Meet the Prize Fighter,
The Private Eyes, Galaxy of Terror in eighty one Okay,
then goes on to shoot the House where Evil dwells,
Angel of Heat making the Grade, the Lost Empire in

(47:58):
eighty four and eighty. He also does a little film
called a Nightmare on Elm Street.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Uh, never heard of it.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
India goes on to do My Demon Lover, the Hidden
Cherry two thousand, to Die for Shocker Buried Alive. Yes,
that one. The ambulance strays Mom and Dad Save the
World Maniact Cop three, Badge of Silence, Relentless three.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
I don't love that movie.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
I don't love that movie either. Scanner Cop in ninety four,
No Shit, No Shit, Evolver in ninety five, Fist of
north Star, Bloodsport two, The Big Squeeze, Buried Alive two,
Wishmaster in ninety seven. Then does Inferno, Last Man on Earth,
The Base of ninety nine, Chaos Factor, Blowback, Faust, A

(48:43):
Month of Sunday's Bad Karma, Global Effect, Face of Terror,
Twelve Days of Terror in two thousand and four, The
Jaws True Story movie, Oh Wow, The Deal, Hidden the Camera,
The Lost and Forgotten twenty twenty two. He also in
that time does Second Unit On Break Into Electric, Googloo, Herbie,
Fully Loaded, Talladega Nights, The Expendables, Fast five X Men,
First Class, The Last Stand, Captain Phillips, tmn T, Out

(49:05):
of the Shadows, Kong Skull Island, Black Panther, Venom, and
twenty one Bridges. He left us in twenty twenty three
March twenty first, at age seventy two from lou Garrigg's
disease and leukemia. But what a fucking resume.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Yeah, and his his interviews in Never Sleep again, very
very He had a lot of really awesome insight into
the making of Nightmare on Elm Street that I highly
recommend watching that documentary regardless of how long it is.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
It's worth every as long as Crystal Ad Memories. But
it's long.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Will there are on as many movies?

Speaker 2 (49:34):
That's fair too. Andrew Divoff starts off our cast as
he plays the Gin and Nathaniel Demrist in this. He
gets his start in nineteen eighty six is Neon Maniacs.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
I don't remember him in about Neon Mania h that's fair.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
The A Team mcguiver mackin me The Hunt for Red
October another forty eight hours, Graveyard Shift in nineteen ninety
Toy Soldiers previous episode, Ah You Kid, Extreme Justice Future episode.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
We just revisited this.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
We did a Dangerous Touch in ninety four.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
He isn't dangerous. He is ah Divaf I Love Me
Some div Off.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Hong Kong ninety seven and ninety four, Low Down, Dirty
Shame in ninety four, Highlander TV series Blast Air Force
one in ninety seven, same year, he does wish Master,
then does Martial Law wish Master, I Faust Walker, Texas Ranger,
Bluehill Avenue, Jag, The Unit, The Rage, Indiana Jones and
the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Leverage, Criminal Minds, The
Dead Matter, Nikita, The Strain, The Hatred Remember that movie? Yes, Yeah,

(50:33):
Vault in twenty eighteen, Perry Mason revamp in twenty twenty
Camp Pleasant Lake, most recently in twenty twenty four. He's
got three things coming out this year today.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
I met him so many times because he was promoting
The Dead Place for a really long time. Yeah, so
he was at a ton of events and conventions. I
could see that, and super nice guy. Yeah, super nice
guy and really interesting backstory. Yeah, because I got curious
after noticing that there was a, uh, that there was
a consistent element to his career, which was that he

(51:03):
was playing Hispanic roles. Yeah. I got curious because you
know one movie where he's playing a Hispanic role. You're
like they just were like, dive off, do this, and
he's like, okay, but three four five Hispanic roles in
a row. I started to wonder. So I looked into
him a little bit, and he's from Venezuela originally, so
you're telling me, yeah, And in fact spoke English very

(51:24):
late in life and was not good at it. According
to Wikipedia, which we know is completely and always accurate,
he went to Spain to further study as a as
a young man and became obsessed with learning languages and
teaching English, and supposedly the voice we hear was him

(51:44):
after years of working hard to get rid of a
very thick accent that, according to this which who knows
if it's true or not, was holding him back even
in school in the United States, that his accent was
so thick. Yeah, of course this is He was born
in nineteen fifty five, so he's he's almost seventy now,
so that was a very, very very different time. Yeah,

(52:05):
but it is very interesting that he came from that background.
His father was Russian and his mother was from Venezuela.
So I just thought that was worth mentioning because he does,
especially in the nineties, he seems to play a ton
of Hispanic roles and he's very fair skin. Yeah, I mean,
I'm very fair skin. So it was kind of cool

(52:26):
to find out, like, oh, no, that makes sense, and
that's why he speaks Spanish, so you know, beautifully. But
it is funny seeing very early in his career playing
vatos and playing terrorists from Central America or South America,
which which I and I honestly am very fond of
him playing those those kinds of characters. But I am

(52:46):
glad that, especially after wish Master, he really became one
of the most in demand character actors there was, and
a quasi not even quasi a celebrity in the realm
of horror fans and stuff like that, you know, not
as big as Robert England, of course, but everybody loves Devoff. Yeah,
and when they see dev Off, everybody always thinks wish Master.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
I always forget he's an air Force because he air
Force one, because he's a he's a hitchman.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Oh yeah, he was a great hench. Yeah he has
that fixed scary face.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Yeah it does.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
So.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
We also have Tammy Larren, who plays Alexander Amberson in this.
She gets her started in nineteen seventy seven on Fantasy Island,
goes on to be in Morgan Mendy, Out of the Blue,
Quincy m The Last Flight of Noah's Ark, which is
an interesting title.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Okay, here's Boomer.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Foul Play, Facts of Life, Little House in the Prairie, Chips,
The Best of Times, mcguiver, Fresno Stepford Children in eighty seven,
which I didn't even know that was a movie.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Oh, I've never seen it, but I heard I've heard
about it. It was I think it was a TV movie,
h spin off, That's.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
What it looked like. Wise, Family Ties, Tiger Warsaw, I
saw what you did and I Know who you are
in eighty eight, The Bronx Zoo, People Across the Lake,
Desperate for Love, The Hitchhiker in eighty nine, Home Front,
Matt Locke, Diagnosis, Murder, Grace, under Fire, Radio Land Murders, Walker,
Texas Ranger does Wish Master in ninety seven, followed by
Mad City, The Visitor, Marshal Law, Home Improvement, The Drew

(54:01):
Carey Show, Crossing Jordan, Young and the Restless, The Game,
and Criminal Minds in twenty fourteen.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
I want to say she was Jill's one of Jill's sisters.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
That would make sense.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
I think on Home Improvement.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
She had one hundred and six episodes of Young and
the Restless and was only on it for two years.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
I mean that checks out. They do like four or
five episodes a week. I used to I used to
watch Guiding Light with my aunt Betty, and.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
I was an all my children in General Hospital Fan
with my mom. Couldn't tell you a single character on
any of the show outs.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
I mainly just remembered the music and the spinning light
on guiding lightly.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
So wrapping up our cast. But there is a lot
of cast in this movie. But we also have Robert England,
who plays Raymond Beaumont in the film. He gets to
start in nineteen seventy Four's Buster and Billy goes on
to be in Stay Hungry in seventy six, Eating Alive,
A Star is born, Dead and Buried in eighty one
Galaxy of Terror V Nightmare and Elm Street Not Mary,
elm Street two, Freddy's Revenge, Huh Never Too Young to
Die not Rey Elm Street three, Dream Warriors came back

(54:53):
for that one Nightmare Elms Street four, The dream Master
eighty eight does or eighty nine to this Family the
Opera one of my favorite versions Nightmare, Elm Street five,
Dream Child, Freddy's Nightmares, The Event is a Ford Fair Lane,
Freddy's Dead, The Nightmare, Cafe Dance, maccabb Night Terrors, New
Nightmare in ninety four, The Mangler Walker Texas Ranger Married
with Children, Wishmaster in ninety seven, does Urban Legend the

(55:14):
following year in ninety eight, then Strangeland Python, Freddy Versus
Jason two thousand and one, Maniacs, Hatchet Jack Brooks, Monster Slayer,
Red Zombie Strippers, Fear Clinic, Supernatural, Workaholics, Fear Clinic, the film,
The Funhouse, Massacre, Regular Show, The Goldberg, Stranger Things, Natty Knox,
and most recently in twenty twenty four, Curses ah Well.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Obviously everybody knows Robert England for playing Freddy Krueger. I
will say one of my first thoughts the first time
I saw Wishmaster, which would have been in like two thousand,
somewhere in that neighborhood hum was that the film was
basically cast at like Fangoria Weekend Horrors.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
I mean, we've got Reggie Banister, we got Tony todb
We've got Caane Hodd, We've got Buck Flower.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
I mean, the hits just keep on tunning, raymy Yanny Hicks. Honestly,
the only person I'm shocked we didn't get in there
was Bruce Campbell. I'm surprised he wasn't in like one
scene because he could have easily fit somewhere in there.
But he may have been too expensive at that point because.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Uh, Army and Darkness had been out, So yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Army of Darkness was a flop if I remember correct.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Well, mom and Pop you know made mom and Pop
company made it.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Oh yeah, the universal who said that that was so
silly one of our friends. Oh yeah, I remember now
I remember, but no, no, but I was surprised. But
I think he might have been on like Briscoe County
Junior or something that would have been available.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Yeah. Well, and I think this is also around the
same time he does that in the Line of Duty
movies that series I watched, he also does that one
called Blaze of Glory, which is him and Lori Laughlin
as robbers.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Okay, yeah, but no, it's got a really fun cast.
It's definitely a horror movie fans. Oh yeah, movie because
you get all of those you get, I mean, like
Reggie Banister popping up with such a delight. Yeah. Even
back then, when I was a kid, I was just like,
hell y you Actually I was like hell yeah, Reggie,
because I think by two thousand I had already met
Reggie at a convention. I met him before I saw Phantasm,

(57:00):
like because I was a little too young.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
I never got to meet him, but one of my
favorite movies. It's not Fantasm, but his Cemetary Gates. I
think Cemetary Gates is a blast.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Yeah, he's extremely underrated, but he's he was. I'm so
sad that his health has declined so much. He was
just such a nice dude, really friendly and outgoing. Also
shocked Bill Moseley didn't pop up in this. I feel like, yeah,
I feel like I feel like if Campbell had popped up,
if Moseley had popped up, if Loudumond Phillips, Lynn Shay,

(57:29):
why she wasn't just someone there in there because she
was at that point she was still kind of, you know,
just popping up here and there. But I'm shocked she
didn't pop up somehow. But we do get just an
incredible Duraf. I bet was just too busy. Yeah, I mean, well,
and you know a lot of those guys were very.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
They were probably shooting. Actually brought a Chucky around the
same time. Now I think about it.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Shoot, yeah, wow, that's that's a wild thought. Because Bride
of Chucky was so trailblazing. This movie feels like it's
five years before Bride of Chucky and it's like a
year before because it is a little on the it's weird,
like it feels like it was made in nineteen ninety,

(58:09):
Like it doesn't feel like an eighties throwback. It feels
newer than that. But it doesn't feel as cutting edge
as like what they were doing with Bride of Chucky,
which felt like it was from like three or four
years after it was made, at least to my opinion.
But it's still a very fun ride. My biggest complaint,
and we'll get to laugh about it a ton, is
that the rules of the wish Master don't really make

(58:30):
a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
So what was your first time watching wish Master?

Speaker 3 (58:33):
It was definitely renting it on tape. I want to say,
I did see it before the Boogeyman compilation or boogy
Men compilation. Yeah, I had rented it on tape because
it was considered just like a quintessential you have to
see it, and they had the tape at one of
my It was either Blockbuster or the Hollywood Video which
was basically next door to my Blockbuster. Yeah, one of
those had it. I had to wait until they did

(58:55):
a two, and I think they did a one and
two DVD set. That was when I finally saw two. Yeah,
because that came to Blockbuster and then I read or
I might even bought it, so I hadn't seen the sequels.
It took while hunting those downs. Yeah, but they're fun
as hell. Dive off. It steals the show in every
scene he's in. Mm hmm, he's great. I think that

(59:16):
in many ways, Wish Master two is even more fun
because they just were like, all right, div off, now
just do whatever, just do what do you.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Want to put you in prison? Half the movie? Have fun.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
We presold this to all the territories to make enough money,
so like just go crazy.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Yeah. My first time watching it was due to Boogeyman.
I had gotten that compilation because I'll be honest, I'd
seen the cover and it always struck me as a
vampire movie because it looks like he's got the fangs
on it and everything. Because if you always see that cover,
it just spoke vampire to me, which I probably would
have seen it at some point had that, you know,
not been it. But yeah, I saw the Boogeyman compilation, which,

(59:49):
for those who aren't failiar with the Boogeyman compilation, it
came out in the early two thousands. It was a
showcase of Michael Meyers, Freddy Krueger, Chucky Leatherface, like.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
All those guys had even had puppet Master Puppetmaster.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
And it had the unnameable on it, which was such
a weird movie. Yeah, I that's the Ugly. The Ugly
is what I'm thinking of. Oh really, it has the
Ugly and it has the Guardian because you've got that
whole scene with Miguel Fair chopping that gory ass tree up.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
So I'd seen it, seen that clip and then immediately
went to YouTube watched the climax at the party, like
the huge like party going crazy scene and everything, and
I was like, I've got to see this movie. So
luckily tracked down a copy it probably I think it
was half priced books on one of my gos there,
and I watched it and immediately was just like this
movie was made for me, like it just it spoke
to me. And the reason that I chose it for

(01:00:36):
my birthday movie is this is one of my old
time favorite horror movies that I can basically show anyone
because there's there's something in it for anybody, even if
they're not a huge Gore fanatic. There's still a lot
of fun to be had in this movie, and it
was one that I actually recently got the show to
our mutual friend Courtney, and we ended up watching two
immediately after it because she had such a good time
with it, and that kind of made me remember how

(01:00:58):
much fun this movie is. Oh, it's a total blast.
Any any picking on it I do is simply because well, yeah,
and just it is comical.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
How how much more interested the movie is and being wild,
Yeah it is in making sense from a from a
story standpoint, because yeah, the big problem is that he's like,
I have these limitations. Someone has to wish. But then
it'll be like somebody else go like, yeah, I'd like
a cup of Coffee's like wish granted.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
It's like that's not that's not worry.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
But then it'll be like, oh, a cup of coffee,
Like your wish is granted, they're on fire. It's like
that's the twist. You know. They get a little fast
and loose with twisting the wishes pretty early on. Because
we've all seen the monkeys, Paul, we all understand the
whole Be careful what you wish for me. You just
might get it. Yeah, but with wish Master, I mean
we we like to make the jokes. That was like
I wish for a sandwich and they just it's just
two slices of bread with a butcher knife between it.

(01:01:48):
It's like, this isn't a sandwich take out? You know,
It's like this isn't a big twist. But and they
get wait but by the by three by three and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Four, it's out the window. It's out the windows. So
I mean, I will the one thing that I will
say about I think why it like why people will
have a hesitation with it if there is any is
I think people think like an evil genie. It's just like,
well that doesn't sound that exciting, but like it's it is.
You have to suspend. Like like they said the Rob
Williams of the Barber Eden, It's just like, this is

(01:02:17):
an evil being that can do basically whatever the hell
it wants within reason.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Within reason. Well, and the and the whole concept of
the gin is where the concept of a genie came from. Yeah,
it's a it's an old concept from the Arab world
and generally they were mischievous creatures who.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Would function up, fun it up and tricky boy does
he he does. Indeed, so we open as we see
this gem being made. This this is an opal, Yeah,
Ruby Opal, and we hear the voice of mister Angus
Scrim read the narration, which says, once in a lifetime
before time, God breathed life into the universe, and light
gave birth to angels, and the earth gave birth to man,

(01:03:00):
and the fire gave birth to the Gin, creatures condemned
to dwell in the void between the worlds. One who
wakes a Gin will be given three wishes. Upon the
granting of the third, the unholy legions of the Gin
will be free to rule the earth. Fear one thing
in all of this fear the Gin.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
It's a solid I mean Angus Scrim had the greatest voice. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
For those aren't where that's the tall man from Fantastic Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
And another guy that's Horror Royalty. Yeah, straight out of
Fangoria Weekend of Horrors and here for you now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
So we waste no time at all getting to the carnage.
As we are in eleven twenty seven Persia, and we
are watching an emperor go through this lobby of people.
As we hear a voice say, your wish is granted,
and then we see chaos going he was.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
A wizard, yeah, because he the Emperor is the guy
hiding in the back room. Yeah. And apparently the wish
was that this party would be remembered forever, I guess,
and that allows the gin to just have people's like
stomachs tearing open and creatures crawling out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Of them people. One guy has his skeleton come out
of his body. He killing people on somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Well, And the best part is the best parts of
this movie are that K and B effects are just
They're allowed to do almost whatever they want. So this
party is just unthinkable horror and terror. But it is
funny when you look at it and go, so these
are all because of a will, which I wish like
he really takes he really runs with it, like you know,

(01:04:24):
it would be just as easy to be like, I
want this party to be for a remembered Okay, everybody
turned to a pillar of salt. That would be memorable.
Having a skeleton crawl out of a guy's body in
gruesome detail and start killing other people.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
That's pretty fun, too good.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
So, I mean, so the the Wizard is trying to
get to the Emperor and by this point, he's crossing
everybody that is like trying to ask for help, screaming.
Their flesh is coming out all that stuff, in one
of which is actually a man that's basically a half
snake at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
Yeah. Yeah, he's basically like about the you know, fifty
five minute markings.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Yeah, and he's like he's like, he's like, you must stop.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
The man.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
So solid he gets into the chamber where the Gin
is and he's telling the Emperor that he must stop,
that this creature is evil. And by this point too,
we also see that the Gin is in full effect
also in this room, because we see the spirit realm
is kind of opening up because he's getting ready to
make his third and final wish, and once he does that,
the Gin will be free, Hell will be released on Earth.
So that's when the Wizard presents this opal and says

(01:05:22):
these magic words and traps the Gin inside of it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
Yes, and it's an awesome scene.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Talk about hooking you by just showing you just unmitigated violence,
so bloody special effects non stop.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Yeah, and it's not gonna get it. Basically, once that
tone is set, that tone basically keeps most of the
movie like this is a gruesome fucking movie.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
It's a wacky flick. It's got a lot of wild
things going on. And uh, now we go to present day,
present day America, and I want to say, after years
of being a fan of this film, I never really
realized the true villain is capitalism. Oh, I was gonna

(01:06:06):
say union dockworkers.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
And then there's that too.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Yeah, because if the.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Union dock workers were not lolly gagging and being drunk
on the job, none of what we're about to describe
what happen.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
So we see Raymond Boma played by the Great Robert England,
and he is supervising as workers are lowering a box
of the sculpture that he's bought. And we also have
assistant ted Ramy who is yelling at the guy running
the crane.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Yeah, being dick in only a way ted Ramie can be.
And of course Danny Hicks is the custom Enforcement's agent
sitting next standing next to him, which you couldn't clock
him because he's clean Eiot's sunglasses on, so it wasn't
like you're gonna spot him right away.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
So the crane operator we see is Mickey Cirelli, and
he is drunk on the job, and he's.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Joe Pilato from Day of the Dead. See what I'm
saying about this like Fangoria Weekend of Horror podcasting.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Yeah, so he is drunk on the job. He's pouring
whiskey into his coffee and Ted Ramy's still shouting at him.
The guy ends up knocking the coffee onto the panel, fries,
the panel drops the create right on Ted Brady, killing
him and breaking the statue into a thousand pieces.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
And revealing that there's a gem inside the statue, not
as a part of the statue but inside And of course,
yet another terrible union doc worker.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Goes up and steals the fire Opal. See what I'm saying, Yeah, yeah,
you're fair. So then we immediately cut over to uh
A to a Regal Regal Auctioneers, and we see that
a guy is bringing the gem in and he basically
says the doc worker came to him he runs a
pawn shop, and that he gave him some money, but
he figured that there was something else worthwhile with it.
They wanted to get it appraised. And immediately the guy

(01:07:35):
that runs the place with just Nick is very happy
that he brought this Opal.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
Oh he's throws oh, we'll write you a receipt right
now and get it a praise. Yeah. Oh, because it's
it's a gigantic I mean, it's like about the size
of the palm of your hand. Yeah, a piece of
pure red opal, which could be worth a fortune. Of course,
he asks, do you know where it came from? Jefty history,
He's like, the guy said he got it from his grandma,
And he was like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Oh, we get a lot of those out here. Heard
that one before. Yeah, Nick is the guy's name. And
that is when he is instructing his appraiser Alexandra to
examine it, and she looks inside of it, does not
see any flaws of it or anything like that, until
she ends up having a is it a premonition? At
this point it's something like that because the because the
wind blows to the office, and that we hear we

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hear the initial word of the gym. Because she's rubbing it,
we kind of get the sensation. It's like, oh, is
it gonna be like a lamp or if she rubs
it the gym comes out No, not quite, but it's
warming the warming the opal up.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
Right, And wasn't it right before this? We met her
and her best friend.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Yeah, he was a Jason.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Simple scene. They're playing tennis and afterward they're talking about
being best friends and Jim is like, why don't we
be more than friends? How about I take you on
a proper date Josh Josh. Yes, And she's like, oh no,
you know, I just.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Want to my friends, you know, I don't want to
ruin that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Yeah, And so now she's at this place, but of
course with this gem appearing to be weird, Yeah, she
takes it to Jim Jim Josh Josh. She takes it
to Job Jim Osh, she takes it to him. It
turns out he's a kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
He's a student at a university and it's something because
she's a gemologist, and he's something along the lines of
being able to run tests on it. So I don't
know what he is.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
He's like, I'm not a gemologist, but I can run
it through the machines and whatever and whatever. So but
unfortunately him tinkering with it causes the gem to open. Yep,
the gin arises and poor Josh Josh is hurt by
the explosion.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
The explosion enters him and by this point he's on
the ground. He's burned, and we also see a young
vern Schreuer mini me himself.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
You could tell because he was so small young, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Exactly, crawling towards him in full gin, gross crazy makeup. Yeah,
it's awes so slimy, so gross. And we also hear
Divov's voice basically asking him, you know, is the pain
too much? You want me to take it away? And
as he does, he claims his life and basically comes
anew into a body.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
Yeah, he causes him to die. Yeah, that's his big thing,
is like, do you wish this pain to stop? Yeah?
Kills you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
What a twist, you know. But it's an excellent starting
scene because you see this little baby creeper creature gin
thing creeping you out, and then it turns into dive
off in the full gin get up. Yeah, we don't
get full blown dive off being the gin for a
few more scenes.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
No, now for a few scenes, because he's got to
get his face. But before we get to there, Alex
ends up like she's on the phone after a basketball practice,
as we forgot to mention that she is a basketball coach,
which doesn't really matter high school high school girls, and
she goes to call Josh to check up on the status,
and she immediately like has a pain. Like we when
Josh is like dying, She's feeling it, and that becomes
a thing throughout the movie. Anytime the gin goes to

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claim his souls or anytime he's committing fuckery, she's feeling it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Because she was the original wisher, Yeah, the original person
who summoned him. So he's beholden to her, and it's
caused a kind of psychic connection. So anytime he does
anything heinous, she gets an episode.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Yeah. So by this point, now she's been informed of
Josh's death. She goes back to his research place and
the cops are like, you know, no, I'm sorry he passed.
And that's when she's like, you know, what happened to
the gym? And they're like, well, we've got to, you know,
run some tests on it, but like other than that,
we don't really know much.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Yeah, and she's positive something is inside the gem, Yeah,
which I forgot to mention would be really bizarre because
getting something inside a gem while it being a perfect piece, yeah,
basically impossible.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Be pretty impossible. So that's when she decides to track
down Raymond Beaumont and she goes to visit him at
his home, and that is when she talks to him,
and we immediately get the sense that Beaumont is an
aristocrat type. He's walking around his house smoking, he's enjoying himself.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
Oh yeah, he is a house. His home is a museum.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
It's a fucking mansion too.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
Of all the collectors, it'd be funny if it was
just like aft, yeah, it's just like come in, come in,
please wipe your feet.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Because the first instance we get of how he is
as a person. So when Ted Raimi got crushed by
that crate, all they cut to is Beaumont and he's
just going because the statue got destroyed and it was very,
very rare. So the first thing she asked him is like,
you know, so, how are you doing. He's like, oh,
you know, it was irreplaceable. And she's like, well, you're
talking about the death of your sister, and he's like, oh, yes,
of course, course, of course, yeah, yeah, oh yeah yeah.

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So that's when she starts asking him about the questions
of it. He takes her into this room to show
her where he had this little altar made for it,
where the Mazda her a Mazda was going to be
on this little podium that is now empty.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
And I want to know how you'd fit a whole
car thing. No, Mazda's fitting.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
This is gonna date me really, really easily. But it
reminds me of there's an episode of Failure Fairly Odd
Parents where the dad throughout the entire series has a
ongoing feud with his neighbor Dnkleberg, and uh, there's one
point where he was supposed to get this trophy for
like perfect attemps or something like that, and he has
a podium and everything set up for it, and there's
a huge joke where he's like, and here's where I
put a trophy if I had one. Yeah, that's exactly

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what reminds me of. So I see it, and.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
So she asks him was the statue bijeweled, Yeah, to
which he says, no.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
No, it wasn't. It was you know, it was completely
modernized or not modernized, but it was completely original. It
was just stone. There was nothing special about it. It
was just very rare that it actually.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
Escaped about a thousand years ago. Yeah, and we find
out that that, you know that then tells her like, then,
how it must have been buried inside of it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
So we cut away from them and go back to
the Gin, who is now approaching the same university that
Josh was at, except he goes to the School of
Medical or the School of a Mortuary Science. Yeah mortuary science, Yeah,
thank you. And he's walking through the halls. He goes
into one of the rooms where the cadavers are and
he's getting ready to pick a face, which just so
happens to be Andrew Divoff.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Yeah. I guess he has been in a horrible skiing accident.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
So he is getting ready to carve up the face
of div Off. And that's when one of the assistants
walks in and he's like, Hey, who the fuck are you, Like,
what are you doing here? And then he sees it.
He's like chopping this face off, and he's like, oh God.
And he's like, I guess you don't want to see this.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
Wish you didn't have to see this?

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Yeah, And he's like he's like yeah, and he's like
granted and turns his eyes sealed basically.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
His eyes are just sealed. Chi he has no eyes
or something, but there's like skin all like stretched in
weird yeah, over his eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
And While that's happening, dive Off chops the rest of
the face off puts it onto him, and now the
Wishmaster has Demeris's face, which is Divoff's face, and Alexander
is freaking out in front of Beaumont because she's seeing
him smiling weirdly into the camera.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
And I have to say, when Divoff is the wish Master,
they had him wear these really overly blue, not natural
looking contacts, but I actually think they work really well
for the wish Master because he's supposed to be a human,
but when you look at his eyes, you don't quite
fully get human, yeah, from his eyes, So I actually
think that works awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Yeah, So now she knows that something is going on,
so she goes to find a woman named Wendy Derleth
who is a folklore professor at the university.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
And she's quite a mouthy lady. Hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Yeah, she's watching there's a drama production mixed with the
folklore department that are putting on this play. And she's
just there until the one professor gets there because she's
trying to get a word in with alex and alex
is just like, well, I can't talk to you. Until
your full attention to here. She's like, well, I like you.
She's like, oh, I like that. So she basically tells
her that, you know, forget everything you know about like
Jeanie and Barbara Eden, like a gin is an evil presence,

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like it grants wishes, but it all so we'll take
exchange of souls and it's a demonic presence.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
Yet she says, forget Barbara Eden, forget Robin Williams. But
after watching all four of the wish Master movies, it's
still true. You ain't never had a friend like him.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
We never had a friend like him. Indeed, I wonder
if he was gonna say that at one point there,
like we're not getting sued by Disney.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
We're not interested in that lawsuit.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
So she decides that she's going to learn more about this,
and we go back to her apartment and she's sitting
down smoking a cigarette. Her sister comes in, and we
find out that her sister was a survivor of a
fire that Alex saved her from right and didn't get
to save her parents though, and so like her sister's
kind of worried because Alex is definitely off because she's
feeling these premonitions of the gin and everything going on.

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But she ends up studying the gin a little bit
more and figuring out more about it, and then her
sister comes home and is just like, hey, it's time
for basketball practice.

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
The most white girl studying with the wine, cigarettes, a
bottle of white wine, cigarettes, an uneaten sandwich, and books
all over the table, just all over maggotty with all
these research books, which I I just the fact that
they show her like, get up and go to and
go and get a bottle of white wine. I was like,
fucking a.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
So we also cut over to the nighttime city at
this point, because now we get to see mister buck
Flower as a homeless guy who was hanging outside of
a convenience or a pharmacy owned by the great Reggie Banister.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
And buck Flower, by the way, quite possibly one of
the greatest homeless character actors of all time. I wonder
how many times he's played homeless. No, I would bet
a good amount. Most famous for his character and they
live well and and for being the homeless guy future
Back to the Future one and two.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
But yeah, so she she goes to.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
We cut over buck Flower and him and Reggie Banister
get into it because buck Flower's trying to get a
dollar from somebody out front. He comes out and he's like,
you know, hey, get out of here. And he's like, hey,
you're running the business in here. You got customers there.
It's not really a good idea. They get into a
little bit of a squall to the point where basically
bluck Flower toes the go fuck himself. He says it
right back to him, and he walks down the alley
and guess who's sitting right there but mister Gin himself.

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And the Gin is like, you know, do you mean
those curses that you said to him? And he's like, oh, yeah,
I mean them. And he's like, well, what would you
give to see those happen? And he's like, well, I
got a cigarette and handshake and he's like no, you
have your soul and he's like, I guess I could
give that. And he's like, what death would you wish?
And he's like, ah, he should get cancer, should get
cancer and die. And inside the store we see Reggie
Banister start to freak out. He completely shrivels up, he

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foams at the mouth, his face starts pussing, and he
dies in front of all his convenient or all of
his pharmacy customers.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
And it is fassy and gruesome.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
And at the moment the Buck Flower sees this, he
drops a cigarette goes running off, and that's when the
Gin picks up a cigarette and smokes it and goes
basically tell him, yeah, go ahead and run and tell
them that evil is here. But it's too late.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
Now I'm trying to find how many times Buck Flowers
played a homeless guy. Yeah, it's it looks like it's staggering. Yeah, yeah,
I can see that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
I think like one of the last things that I
remember you and I watched him in. That was a
first time watching both of us. A cheerleader camp. Oh yeah,
he was that janitor guy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
Quasi homeless than that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
So by this point now Alex is at basketball practice
and we also see that not only is she there,
but the Gin is there as well.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
Forty time forty times, it's estimated he played a drunk,
homeless man or vagrant approximately forty times. Most famously, Back
to the Future They Live Wish Master Power Rangers Light
Speed Rescue episode the Great Egg Caper, Remember that one.
There's a YouTube video called how One Man played a

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homeless guy in Hollywood for years, and I've heard that
he was like the nicest dude. I also heard that
some of the movies, like the indie stuff he did,
he put he might have produced them. Oh no shit,
So that's something i'd always heard. Yeah, so but anyway,
I just buck Flower truly a legend of this this industry.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Yeah. So alex is at the game. She's coaching her girls.
Her sister is also there, and she's trying to get
a hold of Wendy because Wendy hasn't got back to
her yet, so she uses her sister's cell phone to
call Wendy doesn't pick up, and then that's when behind
her sister appears dive off and he requests to use
her phone. So she takes the phone, realizes who she called,
and that's when he is out and Alexander looks over

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to see him for a brief second and then he's gone.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
Sorry to keep on buck Flower, But one hundred and
sixty seven credits dam And as producer nine. That's awesome,
you know, Oh my god. He produced the Bikini car
Wash Company, No Shit, which I just got the Blu
ray set for that. He produced mostly softcore movies. Yeah,
teenage Seductress, up Yours in search of a Golden Sky,

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the night Stalker, taking it all off, party Favors, bikini
car wash company, Hell's Bells, and taking it off out West.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
There we go.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
So just a little side note for everybody. But uh, yeah,
so div Off is a borrowing a cell phone.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Yep, he gets Wendy's name, and he appears right out
side her house or her apartment, I guess, because that's
what they show a little later on. Yeah, so he
appears at night. We cut today and now he's inside
just looking around, and one of the coolest shots ever
because by this point, oh wait, am I getting ahead
of myself? Has the police thing? The police things happen
by this point too, forgot about that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
Oh yeah, there's so.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Much, so much going on. So we cut over to
a police station because he is trying to get Alexander's name,
specifically her address, to track her down. And that is
when he is at the police station and he's trying
to talk to the cop and the cop looks over
at a Purp and he's just like, you know what,
I would love I would love to catch this guy completely,
you know, dead, to rights with the gun in his hand,
murder one, all of us as witnesses, and div Off's
like granted, and this guy suddenly comes alive, grabs a

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gun off the cop, starts a firefight inside the station,
shooting a bunch of cops. Four of them get on
top of him on the desk, trying to wrestle the
gun away, and that's when Divof gets the card. The
guy is looking back over the cop is now and
notices div Off. So div Off winks at the guy
or like throws eyebrows at him, and suddenly the guy
comes back full power rose guys, Yeah, throws three guys

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off and rips a CoP's jaw completely off, right off,
right off and close up, and naturally he gets lit
the fuck up by all the cops in the station
at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
Which again the idea was to catch him dead to rights,
as in, you know, arrest him. Yeah, but you know,
the wish Master plays fast and loose. Oh we and
we forgot about the woman at the clothing store.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
There's so yeah, so yeah, he's gotten a suit by
this point as well, and he's trying on the suit
at the store. This nice woman is like, you know,
it looks good on you, you know, do you want to
go for a bigger size? And he's like, no, I'm
not used to confinement or a tighter side. I've had
enough confinement. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
He basically asks her like, aren't you worried your beauty
will fade? And she kind of eventually goes yeah. And
what's funny is about this movie is he always has
this like psychological almost like Hannibal Lecter approach kind of thing,
except it seems like nobody buys it. No, like but
then but then it's like a thing snaps and then
of a sudden go, yes, do buy it. So he

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says I could make your you know, just say you
wish your beauty would last forever. She says it. Then
as he walks away, they reveal a mannequin of her
ye standing there, And.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
I love the reveal because a woman like is ready
to check out and they just pand over the counter
and it's just her in full her full attires before,
but now she's a mannequin with the name tag Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
And hopefully someone will take that necklace off and we'll
have a wild Inzaney we.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Go, but to make it even more gruesome, the eyes
roll in the back of her head as she's a mannequin.
And then we'll also get to the other thing that
we forgot about, which is he goes to visit Alex's
boss at the at the.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
Yeah, I mean that's the thing. It's a slasher movie,
so he's killing a lot of people. But the thing
that I love about this movie is that most of
the twists are not much of a twist, not much.
He wishes for a million dollars, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
The good the guy the guy has Nick has a
like a little piece on his desk and he's like,
you know, hey, be careful with that. And he's like,
would you like to make it more valuable? And he's like,
what I like to be more viable, of course, and
divoff just runs his hand over it and now it's
solid gold with diamonds in the top of it, which
he pours out right.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
But then when he says he wishes for a million dollars,
it cut this old woman filling out her son's name,
which is him on her beneficiary getting in an airplane
in the plane exploded, just explodes.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that'd be my son.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
Nick.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
He owns an auctioneer house, million dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
Yeah, well, anyway, I have so much to live for.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
And then the plane explodes, so yeah, now we've all
caught up with the death. So yeah. Alex goes to
visit Wendy at her place, and Wendy is there and
she's talking with her and you're like, she's like, you know,
what can I get you a drink? You know, is
it cold in here? You know, when she like something
super weird, asking super weird, and she also basically says, oh,
you know, don't worry about Jin's like, you know, you
have such twenty first knowledge now that you don't have
to worry about little things like that, so completely disregarding

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everything she said the previous.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
Yeah, and saying like, oh well, how how would we
even deal with that? Yeah, this is a whole other time,
you know, because.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Alex is looking for some kind of spell or something
to throw out the gin so that they can defeat it.
And that's when she goes to leave because she's not
getting anything Wendy, and that's when Divof's voice comes out
and he tells her to sit back down, revealing that
Divoff is there, and she's like, you know, oh my god,
it's you. And we see that he has killed Wendy.
He took her face, that's how he was disguising himself.
And that's when he's like, you know, we've got to
get on with these wishes and she's like, you know,

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I'm not gonna do them. And she's like, okay, well
I'll do one. You know what if I wish to
kill you and he's like, oh, that's so original. Oh,
but then she's I wish she'd blow your brains out.
He even offers it to her as a free wish, right,
so a free wish, and I wish you would blow
your brains out, and he's like, very well, puts a
gun under his chin, pulls the trigger. We see his
brains blood out of his head, and then completely reform again,

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and he goes, you know that is which is eternal,
cannot die. But if it's any consolation, Alex.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
That hurt like hell and his voice is so iconic.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
So then her next wish is that she wants to
learn more about him. She wants to see where he
comes from, and that's when we go to the set
of what is a Primus video, if not the lost
scenes from Hell Racer that we never got.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
She wants to see who he really is, so he
shows her this gin hell place, So this huge red place.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
There's black like black things all around. We see that
everybody who has submitted their soul to him at this
point is being tortured. We see the one guy with
his chest open, We see the one woman getting whipped.
We also see that the blind guy for some reason,
was putting in a sana asylum, which you pointed out.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
Yeah, here's like it's like, oh my eyes are gone, sure, buddy,
but it's like he had eyes before. Yeah, but yeah,
for some reason, he looks like he's in an insane asylum.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
Because there's a whole montage that we skipped over where
the Gin is sitting in Wendy's apartment. He has the
gem broken up and then as he puts his fist
around it makes it whole. He's completely the Gin now
and he claims all those souls, so she's seeing all
the souls that have been claimed. He also has a
hell razor dog at one point that chases after her.
And one of my favorite things that you pointed out
is there's a scene where he's walking down this corridor

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of this place and he looks like a fucking Melvin
the way that he's holding his hands. Yeah, because the
body suit he has it makes them funny. Yeah, So
she wishes to be free. So now that's two wishes
now that she has used. And she gets out and
immediately is trying to figure out, you know, what is
the next move. And she wants to make sure that
her sister is okay because the Gin actually made a

(01:25:58):
comment on her sister as well.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
I mean, you have to go after you know who.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
They care about him of course, so he threatens her
sister Shannon, and Alex hurries out of out of the
Gin's realm back to her apartment. The phone rings and
the Gin, I can't remember what what does he say
to her on the phone, something along the lines of
I can't remember, but she basically says fuck you back
to him, yeah, and slams the phone, sees that the
note is on the table that her sister went ahead
and went to Beaumont's party because Beaumont was having a

(01:26:24):
big party as a celebration for the statue. But now
it's just a party.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
And see this is the problem, Dave. We even we
forgot Kane Hotter's death because we're really so fast. Caine
Hotter is like a security security guard and he basically
it's it's one of the funnier moments the whole film,
because I wish you'd go away, and he's like, he's
like no, no, he's like turning around.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Turned around, yeah, and he's like he's like, well, you
have to get through me. And I just love to
see you try that. Love to see you try, I wish.
But so then he turns him into the door. Basically
the door encapsulates Can Hotter and he just walks right
through him. And then Kane Hotter explodes.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
For reasons, a lot of the things just explode, and
I love that. That's the moment where the wish master says, uh,
do you know what it's like to have infinite power
but not be able to use it? Yeah, which I
always wish. Kan Hoder's care will go Yes, I do now,
go away, go away. That's what I would do if
I was dealing with a crazy person. But he says that.
But then it's it's really funny because they have somebody
wishes that He's like, Okay, well I'll just do whatever

(01:27:20):
I want and that's because you wished for whatever. Yeah,
like he just really could go off the deep end.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
So by this point, Alex is racing to the party.
She's driving down the street and she gets stopped at
one point and the gin just breaks her window and
it's just therek.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
Grabs at her. I guess he's just scaring her.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
Yeah, just scaring her. So she finally gets to the
party and she runs into the door man played by
the late great Tony Todd, who is Johnny Valentine, and
she's like, hey, this guy's harassing me, please take care
of it. Goes inside the party and that's when the
gym goes to face against Johnny Valentine and he's like,
you know, get out of my way, and he's like, no,
you're not on the list, like you're not expected. And
that's when he basically goes into this whole monologue about

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how like you know, is this what you want? Day
in and day out? Like you know, is this the
job that you want? Can't you think of anything better?
Don't you want to escape?

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
Don't you wish you could escape? And then he goes yes,
and then it cuts. Now, Okay, so this gag is awesome,
but it makes no fun sense, no sense. He says, granted,
and as he walks by, there's a water chamber like
Houdini and he's he's tied up, you know, straight jacket

(01:28:24):
in this water tank, screaming and and uh and he says,
Hudini did it in two and a half minutes. And
I was like, that's not granting someone the wish to escape, No,
that's trapping.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Trapping somebody and killing them. And well in the end,
the water kills them.

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
Yeah, there is that, but but I was like, Okay,
that's a bit of a stretch, like yeah, you know,
but but they get the stretches get so much better
as the series continues.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
I just love the fact that like this, this scene's
always played out. Weird to be though, because like Tony
Todd as Johnny Valentine is just like at first, he's
just like, you know, what the fuck does that have
to do with the scape, And he's like, has to
do with everything? And he's like, don't you wish and
he gets like emotional for something.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
He's like yeah, it's like it's like, like I said,
just all the sud Yeah, all of a sudden they're
into what the wish Master's saying. Yeah, and you can find
that a little bit jarring.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
So Tony Todd out of the picture. Now we're in
the party and Alex is trying to find her sister Shannon.
She's going around the party, finds one one looks like her,
but it's not her, and then sees her across the bar,
goes to her and she's like, you know, we need
to leave here, and she's like, oh, well, you know,
your your friend just arrived. And she looks across and
div Off is talking to Robert England and they're talking
about how Beaumont was at a party where apparently divorce

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papers were served during dinner, and he's like, you know,
I would love to have a party like that. And
he's like, oh, I remember one party where it was
talked about for centuries. And Beaumont's like, oh, I I
would kill to have a party like that, and div
Off just goes granted.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
And and and here's why this is hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
Yeah, this is this is what this is the end,
by the way, I mean, it's a slasher. Maybe it's
a ninety minute slasher movie. Yeah, but here's the thing
I love about this. So now we get chaos, very
similar but still but wildly creative. The first thing that
I want to point now is a woman is sipping
champagne with friends and she makes the comment, oh man,
you can see right through me as she turns to

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glass and then just explodes. That's the thing though, as
things explode for reasons. But what I love is if
you look at what that wish is, if we're trying
to make some semblance of sense of the Jin's powers. Yeah,
he's granting the same havoc and chaos that that party
at the beginning had. But the problem is he caused
that havoc and chaos as well.

Speaker 3 (01:30:28):
Yeah, so he's literally granting that he'll make things like
he did in the first place. It's not do you
see what I'm saying? Oh yeah, it's like, uh, like
you would you like me to do this? Just like
then it's like, but you did that too, so you're
just gonna do whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
You want against Yeah. Well, because by this point when
we say that the rules are off, at this point
in the movie, the rules are off because this party
goes completely unhinged because we have the woman that blows
up at his glass, so everybody's getting cut. The piano
comes alive and kills Robert Kurtzman our direct.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
His head off, rips his head off, strang the string.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
A fire poker is in this guy's face as he's
pulling it, and it looks like really odd.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
Ripping his whole head apart.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Basically, we see that the statue has snakes all of
a sudden that come out and attack people.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
Yeah, that was another one where I was like, oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
The fireplace blows up and ignites a guy who falls
through a window.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
And another guy catch, guy catches on fire. Start coming
to live, are.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Coming to life, painting start coming to life. We have
Jack the Ripper up here at one point.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
At one point, Robert England vomits up this random yeah
gunk and then it turns into like a tentacle trying
to grab actress yeah, and and capture her.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
So by this point all hell is broken loose in
the party. She's trying to find her sister. She's running
through the hallways, and as we said, statues start coming alive.
So there's one Poseidon statue that throws its trident and
then that's it. It can't do anything else. There's an archer,
there's a warrior. All these things start coming alive. And
beating the security. One guy gets hit in the face
of the mace, one guy gets stabbed with a sword jack,

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the ripper cuts a guy's head off basically, and then
we get back to the to the room that Beaumont
had been showing Alex to begin with, and she's looking
around and she's trying to figure out what to do,
but she also realizes that she's trapped, and as she
turns around, the Gin's there with his army of statues now,
and he basically says, all right, enough enough, like no
more places to go, like make your third wish and
she's like, I will not, and he's like, all right,

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well do you like my new piece? I call it
Dear Sister? Why have you forsaken me? And now this
painting on the wall is Shannon inside of this house
this window, and there's all these tentacles around her. So
he's like, you know, you know what does that make
you want to wish more? And she's like, no, I'm
not gonna I'm not going to like let you win
in this case. And he's like, all right, well fuck it.
Then you know what I say, if you can't beat them, burn.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
Them, baby, yeah, baby baby.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
So now the sister's painting is on fire, and there's
live fire inside of this painting. And that's when Alex
takes a moment of stillness, because that's what she told
her team, her a besketball team, that they need to
have stillness to make these shots. So we see her
going through in her head, like all the things that
have happened. She saw the newspaper article, and that's when
she gets the idea that the last wish that she's
gonna make is that she wishes that Mickey Terrelli had

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not been drinking on the job two days ago, which
means that now everything that has happened is null and
Boyd as the Wishmaster, is sucked back into the gym.
The spirit realm comes alive and they're pulling him back.
The gin is getting completely pulled back into this. The
statues start exploding for some reason.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
Yeah. Yeah, the ones that were killing everybody start just literally.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
Boom, which brings up my point, which is, if she
just basically reversed time, why are these statues exploding? And
also why is what's gonna happen when she's just in
Beaumont's house and everything's back to normal. Yeah, yeah, no,
it is. It's it's a bizarre one. But also the
fact that, like I.

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
Said, not the best screenplow, not the best her saying
I wish she wasn't drinking that morning. Yeah, you know,
but of course my imagine they'd be like granted and
then he's doing PCP instead or something. But you know,
but it's funny because when she wishes he die by
blowing his brains out. It's like my first thought was,
there are a million things you could wish for that

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would fuck him over. There are a million things you
could wish for that would that would fuck him over,
Like you could just couldn't you just wish he'd be
trapped in the jewel again? Couldn't you just wish that
he could no longer grant wishes any more? Like I
don't know if that you know, probably.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
There's probably a lot of stipulations to those rules. But like,
at the same time, this brings up our bit that
we made years ago when we watched this, which is
basically wish Master General.

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
That if he starts granting wishes and they're not clever,
they're in they're turnabout, you have to call the wish
Master General to come in and be like this is
not up to snuff for our cursed wishes, Like you're
gonna be back in the monkey Paw division.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
Yeah, like Percy Percy. This guy wished, you know, to
be a life forever and you gave him a sandwich
with a knife in it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
Yeah, that doesn't make what he says. This guy wished
he could have a million dollars, so you just cut
him in half with a skateboard. I don't and he
doesn't even skate, so like, it's not I don't even
know what made you think to do a skateboard. Yeah,
you know, he's like wishes that we know wishes, but like,
come on, but but it's one of the things that's
really endearing though. And I will say that while sometimes

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it feels kind of cheap with the Wishmaster and all
of the movies, because like I said, it gets sillier,
Yeah it is, it does kind of endear him as
just a son of a bitch because he never keeps
his promises. Obviously, No, so I'm not I don't want
it to sound like I'm just crapping all over this.
It is such a fun and so.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
Such a good time, super fun, so she's got the
gin back. We cut back to two days ago. We're
on the dock, the statue gets delivered. Fine, everything's all good.
Now Josh is back alive as well, and she might
even give him a chance for them to go on
a date. And while all this is happening, we also
cut back to Beaumont's room, where we close in on
the statue, and as we go to the credits, we
zoom in we see the gin waiting in his little compound,

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and that's Wishmaster nineteen ninety seven.

Speaker 3 (01:35:40):
Darn Tuton, And I'm shocked they didn't. I mean, they
left it open for a sequel by saying like he's
obviously not dead, but I'm shocked they didn't go for something,
you know, a little bit more hinting at a sequel. Yeah,
but I mean we get three more.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
Well, and I mean at the end of spoiler, but
at the beginning of the second one. Beaumont's collection has
now been donated to a museum, So I'm curious as
to what happen.

Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
And he's right killed by Indiana Jones. That belongs in
a museum? Is that a German name?

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
So would you like to guess what the budget was.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
I would love to know. Oh uh uh.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
Five yeah, five on the nose.

Speaker 3 (01:36:13):
This is an era I'm very familiar with, like what
they were spending the live entertainment in them because this
was their big one. Live would probably usually spend more
like a mill or two. Yeah, but this was their
big tent.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
Pole only theatrical wish Master film because two went direct
to video.

Speaker 3 (01:36:27):
Oh it did go to theaters.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
Okay, so Wishmaster did go to theaters opening weekend. It
makes six million, thirty eight dollars on September twenty first
of nineteen ninety seven. Nice grossing worldwide fifteen million, seven
hundred and thirty eight thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
So not a bad hit. But I'm guessing that the
home video sales were just all the charts.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
Filmed in Wilmington, Los Angeles, California, the shoot itself lasted
thirty three days, not bad. The opening sequence, set in
ancient Persia, was shot in only two days. Peter Aikins,
who was the writer, was approached to write an evil
Genie movie and initially turned it down until the studios
sent over hundreds of xerox papers containing research on the
gin and the lore, which got him back into the
writing project okay. According to a twenty sixteen interview with

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Pop Horror, it took three and a half hours to
get into costume, with one and a half hours to
get out of it. According to the Star Andrew Divoff,
He also said his favorite scenes for the film were
the ones where he shared scenes with the Monstrous Brethren.

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
Oh I can believe that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
Yeah. Wish Master of Robert Kurtzman says this wish Master
was a great experience. I had a very short schedule
and had to deliver the film into theaters and six
months start to finish, so it was very stressful, but
very fulfilling. Sam Rainey actually recommended me for the film,
and after half a dozen meeting with the studio I
got the job. I had to go in and pitch
my takes on the film and its design. We shot

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it in thirty three days in la which was tough
as we had dozens of locations all around the city,
so we had a lot of company moves. We had
hundreds of effects, which was a bit of a challenge
as the schedule was tight. I was very lucky to
find Andrew Divoff and Tammy Lorraine Divoff is a very
close friend who I enjoy working with on whatever we
can together. We now have his second hand when we
now have this second hand when we work together. And

(01:38:04):
that is from Backwood's Horror interview with Kurtzman in two
thousand and nine.

Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
Nice. Oh, I've never heard a negative word about Divos.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
Yeah. One of the standout features of wish Master is
its groundbreaking special effects. The team behind these effects incorporated
practical techniques along early side CGI technology to create stunning
visuals that captured audience's imaginations. Effects artist Greg Nikoto played
a pivotal role in designing some truly horrifying sequences that
remained memorable today. These innovative approaches helped realize visions of

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magic gone wrong while keeping viewers on edge. During the
climax of Beaumont's party, the scene involving exploding statues caused
a fire to break out on set. Four charges had
been placed to show the blow up in a sequence. However,
after the first two charges went up, the remaining bottom
two fused together and exploded, engulfing the set and cameras
in flames, which caused the crew to rush in with

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fire extinguishers to save the set and their cameras, so
much smoke remained that the set was shut down for
the remainder.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
Of the day.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
Holy crap, not once, but twice was this movie shut
down for a day. I'll get there in a second.
WHOA Andrew Divoff did not blink while playing the gin
Nor Nathaniel Demris. Kurtzman thought it was an intentional addition
by Divoff, and he was only surprised when Divoff admitted
he wasn't aware he was doing so interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:39:13):
Usually that comes from I believe it's called animism, is
a style of acting where you choose an animal to
kind of represent how you're acting. And usually villains are
represented by birds and reptiles. I could see that that's
usually how they kind of go, and reptiles don't blink. Yeah,
but I've always I've always heard bad guys don't blink.
That's just kind of a thing. Yeah, you don't want
to see them blink. But uh, I'm an extra impressed

(01:39:35):
he didn't blink because he was wearing those contact lens
as the Wishmaster and as divoff Master.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
He said that suit weighed forty five pounds.

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
I believe that a thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
Divoff suffered a minor concussion in the scene where the
gin blows his head off. Filming was shut down the
rest of the day after one take when the fake
head blew off along with the rattle of the prop gun,
causing Divoff to become unresponsive for a few till he
could go to the medical tent.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
Geez, that's scary.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
Yeah, Tommy Loren left the very first screening as she
had trouble watching her acting choices on a giant screen.
She has since come to terms with Wishmaster being one
of her favorite projects, largely largely due to the great
experience she had working with Andrew Dibble.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
She's a great part of the movie. Yeah, she's excellent.
Her expressions are great, and I found her very likable.
Yeah in a you know, thirty something year old woman
who's being thrown into something crazy. I think she's really
a lot of it. The problem is that, like a
lot of these films, she gets over outshined by div Off,
much like everybody gets outshined by Robert England, you know,

(01:40:34):
So it's tough to really notice that she's doing a
lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
Great scenes with both for that matter.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
Many crew members including Robert Kurtzman, who is the man
killed by the piano, had small roles in the film,
sometimes appearing in different scenes as different characters.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
Yeah, I noticed. I mean I didn't notice it like glaringly.
I just noticed a few times they're like, this guy's
kind of like have a similar body shape in.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
The scenes with the Jim Caine Hotter. Hotter's name tag
on the uniform reads Jay vorhees Ah Beautiful George Buck
Flower improvised the profane insults that he says to the pharmacist. Moreover,
Flower removed his false teeth when he auditioned for the
part of the homeless man.

Speaker 3 (01:41:09):
No, he was really looking homeless, Yeah, he was. You
know what's shocking is we lost him in like four Yeah,
and it feels like we lost him more recently than that,
because he's just in everything.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
Yeah. Characters named Finny, Beaumont, Darrelyth, and Merritt are all
references to early twentieth century science fiction or horror writers
Jack Finney, Charles Beaumont, August Darrelyth, and Abraham Merritt. One
of the statues Raymond Beaumont's room with the statues is
the statue of Bazuzu from The Extorcist all Right. In
the commentary, it is stated that while filming, someone had

(01:41:41):
broken into one of the sets and stole the cameras,
even making it on the news.

Speaker 3 (01:41:45):
Holy crap.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
Yeah. According to director Robert Kurtzman on the Blue ray
special features, the studio originally wanted Dina Meyer to play
the role of Alexandra, but couldn't as she was already
committed to Starship Troopers in ninety seven.

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
I think they got the right one. Nothing against Dina Meyer.
I think that it really worked the way it came out.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
Greg Niccotaro, one of the special effects creator for wish Master,
also worked the special effects in George A. Romero's movie
Day of the Dead, and he played the character Private Johnson.
Joseph Pallato, who played the drunk crane operator and wish Master,
was the main villain in Day of the Dead as
Captain Rhodes. Yeah, and lastly, Jack Schulder was approached to
direct this film but declined as he felt the script
wasn't very good. When it came to the sequel, he

(01:42:23):
asked to direct it, which he also turned down initially
until producers told him that he could write the screenplay
for wish Master too Evil never dies and despite having
to follow some basic guidelines, he could have creative freedom
with the story.

Speaker 3 (01:42:34):
And he had fun with it. He did. And Jack
Schulder for those who don't remember, I mean he directed
Night Renine Elm Street two, as well as Alone in
the Dark. Alone in the Dark, which is so underrated,
like a really good scary.

Speaker 2 (01:42:44):
Movie that will most likely come to the show. It's
so point is that all I have a couple you miss?
What do you got?

Speaker 3 (01:42:49):
Well, this one's minor trivia. But the music was done
by Harry Manfordini, Yes, famous for for doing not only
the music for Friday the Thirteenth, but also the Children
in nineteen eighty swamp Thing. We don't have to talk
about that, No, but its Slaughter, High Hills of Ice
Part two, Oh the Dog, Flashback one House, Oh yeah, yeah,

(01:43:13):
nineteen eighty five, not that one, not the other one,
but also doing Deep Star six, the Horror Show, Aces,
Iron Eagles, Iron Eagle three, but yeah, and then of
course Jason goes to Hell Jason X wish Master, the
Omega Code, of course, one of his greatest a talking
cat yep of course, But no he's he's a very

(01:43:33):
underrated but horror movie fan favorite. Yeah. But I listened
to an interview with Andrew Divoff years ago where he
told an anecdote about wish Master that I always remembered
because I loved this anecdote. Okay, about the voice, Yeah,
do you remember this at all?

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
I probably when I did the podcast A bird Man,
I probably watched.

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
So div Off was talking about I think this was
on like Killer POV years and years and years ago.
Divoff was talking about how that how we came up
with the voice when they were trying to do whatever,
that his voice was not being affected much at all.
What he had done was he was at that time
really into fitness.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
I do you remember this.

Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
So he was drinking these protein shakes yea, and he
noticed that if he drank his protein shake and then
didn't didn't clear his throat, that sound this like really unnatural.

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
I think he also added skittles into the mix of
I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 3 (01:44:24):
Gummy beer beer. Yeah, he would. He found out that
if he also ate a bunch of gummy bears and
didn't drink water or clear his throat, he'd have this sound.
So he was constantly slurping and eating these things, and
it would make his voice have this like it's really gross.
It's a fascinating sound. Yeah, and when you know that,
you can't unhear it. It sounds like he just needs
to go m M. But it's it's so memorable and

(01:44:45):
I love hearing stuff like that. It makes me think
of another story, not about this movie, but another story
I love about voices. Yeah, how Ron Howard Ron Howard
Clint Howard every day on the way to set for
ice Cream Man to get his voice that gravelly. He
would just scream at the top of his ung's the
whole twenty minute drive. So when he got there, his
voice was super super horse and a.

Speaker 2 (01:45:05):
Nasty punk songs. Maybe I think he also screamed a
punk songs is what I heard?

Speaker 3 (01:45:10):
That could It sounds right, But I just love that
little factoid about Divoff's voice. Yeah, and I wanted to
make sure we mentioned it because it's one of the
things I think of the moment I watch Wish Masters.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
I could see that. So what are your final thoughts
on wish Master?

Speaker 3 (01:45:24):
We wish Masters are rent it one hundred percent, but
if you're a horror movie fanatic, it is a really
incredible piece of nineties horror, especially somewhat pre Screamed. Although
I think Scream had already come out, it was not
affected by Scream. And that's something that I love to ponder,

(01:45:44):
is what would the nineties have been like if Scream
had never happened in the realm of horror movies? Because
once Scream happened and it made its fortune, every movie
became these really good looking kids that look like they're
straight off the wb Sometimes they were, and I have nothing.
That's where I kind of when I think of those,
I call them like teen screams, slasher movies. You know,
they're they're they're, they're something like that. But I just

(01:46:07):
I loved, I love this movie. So if you love
horror movies, then the Royalty alone is a by it,
and that wish Master collection, assuming it's still in print,
is a great bargain. You get all four movies. The
one and two are worth the price alone, three and
four are a lot of silly fun So it's a
rented But if you love horror, then it's a by
it because he deserves to be maybe not on the

(01:46:29):
Mount rushmore of you know, horror, but at least selling
T shirts out of a cart underneath.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
Yeah, yeah, it's a buy it for me simply because
this movie is so much fun. I think even non
horror fans will still appreciate because of how badshit it is.

Speaker 3 (01:46:44):
Oh, it's so much fun. It's so much fun.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
It's it's nineties as fuck. It's a time capsule for
the who's who of horror at that point. But also,
no matter how many times you've seen this, you can
still find something fun in it every single time. Absolutely, So, Yeah,
it's a buy it for me, And that's why it's
also my birthday pick for this time. It's true, so
we always like the show. With a couple of recommendations,
The first one I have this week is nineteen eighty

(01:47:08):
nine's Warlock. It says a Warlock flees from the seventeenth
to twentieth century with a witch hunter in hot pursuit,
currently available on Plex and two be featuring the great
and late late Gray Julian Sands. If you haven't seen Warlock,
Warlock as an absolute blast and blends right into that
wish Master field.

Speaker 3 (01:47:22):
That first Warlock movie is so good. Yeah it is,
And it's in a kind of kind of understated way
because two like a lot of that era. Two got
way more to work with, kind of like Critters one
and Critters two. Yeah, you know how Critters two. I
like Critters one a lot. Yeah, in particular because it's simple. Yeah,
I love Critters two is a blast. But you could

(01:47:43):
tell that they had everything to work with that time.
M hm, So Warlock really underrated? Yeah, but one and
two Lah Chef's.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
Kiss and then the second recommendation. This is a must
for anybody. If you haven't seen this movie yet, I'm
sure we've talked about it on the show before. I Inpact,
I know we have. But it's Night ninety five, Tails
from the Crip presents Demon Night.

Speaker 3 (01:48:02):
I just love that movie so much. Nothing not to
love about that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:48:06):
Currently available on Stars, Rentable on Prime and Fandango. High
level demons collect low level demons as warriors in an
attempt to obtain a key containing the blood of Christ
as the battle of Good versus Evil takes place in
an abandoned church.

Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's pretty solid.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
But yeah, Demon Knight is such an absolute blast. Billy
Zaane is our wish master in this case and is superb.

Speaker 3 (01:48:26):
Do you remember, back when I used to throw big
Halloween race, I would always struggle with what's the midnight movie?
Because we'd have a midnight movie, Oh yeah, which would
often start at eleven thirty because my friends are all
getting old. But one year, usually it was a Halloween Yeah,
like a movie takes place on Halloween. But one night,
I just remember when how about Demon Knight? Yeah, and
you were like yeah, and we watched it and everybody

(01:48:47):
was just the.

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
Entire time, Yeah, what's your recommendation?

Speaker 3 (01:48:50):
So I wanted to go with something that gave me
a similar feeling of that like super thick nineties, because
I tried to go with like wishes Grand and blah
blah blah. I do enjoy that wish Upon movie. It
was pretty cool, But I decided that what really made
me feel the way wish Master does to an extent
is nineteen ninety four's brain Scan.

Speaker 2 (01:49:12):
That was one that was on my list.

Speaker 3 (01:49:13):
Possibly of course, it was saying the concept of brain Scan,
a teenager is part of an interactive video game where
he kills in his victims. Later the murders become real,
super super fun And of course it stars Edward Furlong
of the crow fame and exactly Terminator two. It's a
great film, great makeup effects, highly memorable. I'm so happy

(01:49:37):
it's not a lost movie. It was so lost for
a really long time. But now I'm happy to say
it's on two B and you can rent it on
Amazon Prime.

Speaker 2 (01:49:45):
And it has a great blu ray from show.

Speaker 3 (01:49:47):
Oh it's gorgeous, and brain Scan is just one of
those films. I caught it on late night cable and
didn't know what it was for years. Years. I see,
I just remembered, like the kid from Terminator two's in it,
and Da da da, and then one day I found out, Oh,
that's brain and then it was like, oh, and you
can't get a copy. I had to buy a bootleg
in like two thousand and two at a convention in
order to finally see it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:05):
Well, then I remember there was that bootleg blu ray.
We I don't know, I didn't. I don't think I
bought it. I think you grabbed I bought it. Yeah,
And then yeah, because that was like the only way
we could get it for the longest.

Speaker 3 (01:50:14):
It had I believe it had brain Scan and Fright
Nite two one.

Speaker 2 (01:50:16):
No, you're thinking of return living Dead and Friday.

Speaker 3 (01:50:18):
Oh it was Dead with the original soundtrack. Yeah. So,
but yeah, brain scan is my suggestion available on to.

Speaker 2 (01:50:25):
Be So, do we have any emails this week?

Speaker 3 (01:50:27):
We do, And before we get to this email, I
do want to mention if you guys want to email us,
we we love them. We really appreciate hearing from you guys,
and Dave actually took it, took it upon himself to
painstakingly track down every request you guys have ever made. Yeah,
I did, and we're going to get to a lot
of them this year, yeah, of this month actually well yeah,

(01:50:47):
so Dave literally put them down and then put down
like multiple requests and stuff like that. So if you
want to email us, recommend something, tell us what you
thought of our thoughts on something, or just like Judge
Dave on his life choices, you can send us an
email at do you even movie Pod at gmail dot com.
That's dooeven movie Pod at gmail dot com, or just
head to dooevenmovie dot com and send us an email

(01:51:08):
through there. We would love to hear from you, yes, would?
You could also comment on Spotify, which is a pretty
fun thing, and I respond to all of them and
show them to Dave if it's prudent. So this one
is from Jake and the subject is still love your recommendations.
Hell yeah, Hey guys, Jake here again, just coming back

(01:51:28):
to say that I really loved listening to the Carry
Show and learned quite a bit about it that I
didn't know before. I hadn't actually heard of the documentary DiPalma,
and now I'm very interested in watching it since I
like a lot of his films. Thanks for bringing it
up and I'm looking forward to the next episode as always.
Take care. Awesome, Thank you, Jake. We always love hearing

(01:51:49):
that you are learning something, because, frankly, I'm shocked people
aren't stupider when they listen to you and I talk
about movies for an hour or two. Fair, But I'm
so glad that you got more curious about Carrie and
about Brian de Palma. Yeah, because who doesn't love a
little Brian dout then in your life?

Speaker 2 (01:52:06):
That to Palma documentary is literally just him in front
of a camera for nearly two hours, and it's just
de Palma on DiPalma. Yeah, it's the absolute epitome of
what you would want to hear a director talk about
when they're about their films.

Speaker 3 (01:52:18):
And speaking of documentaries about movies, especially popular movies, John
wick Is Pain, the two hour documentary about the John
Wick series. Yeah, highly recommend it. I got a lot
out of it. The first hour is harrowing, it's just
them trying to get the first movie made. Yeah, and
then the second hour is basically just about how awesome
everything they've done is. But they go into huge detail

(01:52:41):
about how they did it, the elements that they invented
in order to do the effects and to do the stunts.
It's really really fascinating and it's totally worth two hours
of your time. John Wick Is Pain. I rented it
on Amazon Prime. I don't think it's streaming anywhere for
free or with the membership at this time. But John

(01:53:02):
wicks Pain.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
You probably also mentioned the other doc you watched, because
I think that's definitely our core audience.

Speaker 3 (01:53:07):
Oh the We Kill for Love.

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
We Kill for Love.

Speaker 3 (01:53:10):
So that's a documentary I caught. It's now available on
two b I watched it on Amazon Prime. But it's
called We Kill for Love, and it's basically a rundown
of the erotic thriller, a genre that came in like
a lion in the mid eighties and left with a
whimper by the early two thousands. Yeah, but at one

(01:53:32):
point in the nineties there were over fifty of them
coming out in one year.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
I believe that.

Speaker 3 (01:53:36):
And the other strange thing about those they were huge
on the video market, They were huge on cable. They
most of them didn't go to theaters. There were a
few exceptions. Yeah, but most of those movies, like a
good chunk of them are just they're not available. Yeah,
like you can find them on tape. A lot of
them are now available to rent. Finally, but I was
taking down names of movies I'd never heard of. Because

(01:53:57):
the documentary is three hours. I mean it is expansive.
I watched it with just baited breath emphasis on baited.
But it was super fascinating. They go into why the
genre died. They try to figure out why. They talked
to a ton of people who produced and directed those films.
They talked to a ton of people who were studio
heads at the time. They talk to people who were academics.

(01:54:18):
It's a really interesting, deep, deep, deep dive. I mean,
it being three hours long tells you that it is
not for the average person, is for somebody who's really
curious about such a niche concept. But I adore it
and it's turned me on to some really interesting erotic thrillers.
Because the nineties was the time of erotic thrillers, and
that was the time that I was watching cable way

(01:54:39):
too late at night. I caught a ton of them,
and I've been slowly finding several of the ones that
I saw when I was a kid. The biggest one
was Dangerous Touch with Them and Phillips. I discovered that
i'd seen that as a little kid. Yeah, should not have.
So I do really recommend we kill for Love on
tub That is awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
So would you like to know what we are talking
about next week on the show as we are basically
gonna be doing a listener request month?

Speaker 3 (01:55:04):
Actually whoa, yeah, well, Hell's Bells and Taco shells.

Speaker 2 (01:55:08):
Tell me the most requested title out of our entire
run from what I could find, nineteen eighty four's The
Karate Kid. As we are also getting ready for I
just lost is it Karate Kid Legacy? Is that what
it's called. I think it's called Legacy Legacy?

Speaker 3 (01:55:21):
Yeah? And uh good? You just want me to cry
on the show, I will cry.

Speaker 2 (01:55:26):
I'm sure you will Karate Kid, but yeah, it is
currently available on Hulu. You can also rent it wherever
your video's from. There's still a great Blu ray set
out there that I think is one, two, and three
together that you can also get your hands on. I mean,
Karate Kid is readily available and we are going to
talk all about it next week on the show, and
I'm excited to get into that.

Speaker 3 (01:55:43):
Yeah, it's karate Kid legend legends, that's yeah, yeah, and
I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:47):
But yeah, we are doing a listener request month. I
basically went through every single episode, listening to the ends
of them, writing down both our recommendations as well as
your request from emails. So I have everything in front
of me now and we will be taking care of
some blind spots this summer.

Speaker 3 (01:56:02):
I was shocked when you were done pulling that together
and you texted me info. I was shocked you didn't
just say do you read and that was all you
could say to me. So, but no, I'm looking forward
to talking about Karate Kid and talking about a bunch
of fascinating movies that the audience wants us to talk about.
And as your birthday gift. I hope you enjoyed. You
got to smell a very good cigar. I did smell though.

(01:56:24):
That one is a treat for the room.

Speaker 1 (01:56:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:26):
So, But I would also like to say, you know,
we've been doing the show for every year now. I've
celebrated two birthdays on the show now, and I'm I'm
very grateful both of the listeners that we have that
come back every week, but also our new listeners as well.
It's been it's been an experience to kind of just
have that the realization of oh, people enjoy hearing us
chat and whatnot. We usually our riffing that we would

(01:56:49):
do just by ourselves.

Speaker 3 (01:56:50):
Enjoy with a lowercase.

Speaker 2 (01:56:51):
Yeah, the lowercase but yeah, no, I cannot express any
more how grateful I am to those listening the tune
in every week to send us emails. This is this
is a highlight of my week, usually because I get
to hang out with you, but also, like I said,
this is shit that we've been doing for a decade now,
and now that we have a listenership that tunes in
every week and wants to hear from us, it just
gives me more oomph to do this show every week.

Speaker 3 (01:57:13):
So you heard the man stop listening to the lah
of God. No, no, it's been it's been a blast,
and I've really enjoyed since we kind of we didn't
say it, but we changed the format at the beginning
of the year, and I think it's made the show
even more fun, a lot more fun as people sit
here and go, yeah, thirty one minutes of you guys
talking about your personal life. Well, you know, as I
always like to say when people say they take for
it to get to the movie. There are plenty of

(01:57:33):
other movie podcasts that you can fuck yourself off to, and.

Speaker 2 (01:57:36):
There's also a skip button too that somebody nicely pointed
out on one of our reviews.

Speaker 3 (01:57:40):
I mean, hey, have fun I stand by my fuck
yourself off to comment, which I didn't realize I was
going to say. You know what's funny is I've been
in a little bit of a mood for a couple
of days. Yeah, And I don't agree with that so quickly.
I'm just being funny. But yeah, that's the only time
it stuck out during this whole episode, so that's fair.
I guess at that'll just say thank you again for listening.

(01:58:01):
We'll see you guys. Very soon. But remember, if you're
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If you could leave a review on Spotify or Apple
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(01:58:24):
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to say is we will see you next wishes We
didn't even have to plan that. Nope, that's just how
it goes. So let's go and not clear our throats.

Speaker 2 (01:58:45):
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