September 10, 2025 • 36 mins
Wherein Zena and Ebrima say goodbye. Andy and Arrah sleep in a moseluem and cry at the airport. Shorna and Adnand finally go their separate ways.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hey everyone, I'm wa and I'm shy, and this is
DOCU Sweeties. Chris is not here. Obviously you've been listening
to this, you would know. But the normal intro is
we are too long time friends to discuss the rubining
and sometimes trashy world of reality TV and docuseries, but
through our own lens, which can be disgusted, sick, excited, sad,
(00:32):
but hopefully at the end of the day, mildly sweet.
So with me today is Shae Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Shae Hi. Friends, Hi wa, how are we doing.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
We're good, We're good. Uh So, let's just step right
in and let's start with Let's let's put them last.
Let's start with odd in the villain's via.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Okay, I'm interested to hear about your feelings about them.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, I took pictures. I thought I took pictures of
her because I thought her makeup was was really quite
shameful this episodisode. I guess I didn't. Her makeup is terrible, Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yes, yeah, her hair, I would her hair hair.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, it's it's bad, and I'm like, she okay, First
of all, she needs she needs a color correct and concealer,
because we can still see that there are bags. But
that's okay. She's a woman of a certain agent. Maybe
she's out there hustling and doing her Yeah, but then
there's no excuse for those eyebrows, and there's no excuse
for the eyeliner to be wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
She's very weird, and you know what, she has what
looks like a teenage early adult daughter who, even if
she herself doesn't know much about present day makeup, there
are people that are in her world that I'm sure
I could check it almost immediately. For me, it's less
the makeup more the hair. I don't know why, but
(01:57):
I specifically wrote at the end of the episode, like,
oh there's a hair change. I like this one better,
Like I made a note of that from her segment.
That's all I walked away with from her segment. Yeah, ye,
but yeah, but that's really stood out.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So we didn't really have a segment. It was more
so just a reiterating of what had happened and then
a glass of water being thrown because she was so annoyed.
So basically they were having a good time. This is
her words. They were having a good time. They were
out in the town, and then there was an argument
because they were in a car, in a taxi, in
an uber and the uber man had just gotten his
(02:34):
hairline done, and so she's like, oh, I have a
friend who wants to get their hairline done. Let me
get your number and let's you know, I'll hook you
up with my friend. And this upset odd non to
no end to the harmless. It does seem harmless in anoqualus,
but like culturally it to him it was mad disrespectful
to get that person suffer. She didn't think it wastful
(02:56):
because it happened in front of him. She's like, I
wasn't doing an afairs you have in front of him. No,
I don't. But I tend to not think these things
because you know, I'm not somebody who wants a whole
I don't think that anything that I do is going
to stop someone from cheating on me.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Oh agreed, I yeah. I think that's a nugget of
advice for everyone to walk through life with. I do think, though,
that he was using any opportunity to start a fight
to create further distance. I feel like when he's close
to her physically, he feels like he can tolerate her,
(03:36):
and then when it's not a physical connection, he's annoyed, irritated,
and wants to do whatever possible to drive a wedge
between them. And I think this was his out. Sounds
like to me, it's I mean, it's not it's not
the first it's the first event. I mean, it's the
one of many from this season. But I think he
jumped out the opportunity, and I think she felt blindsided
(03:59):
by it. But I think if you put a pin
and reflect, you'll see that there were countless red flags
and this is kind of right up there with all
of them.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yes, I do agree. I think that. You know, she
says at the end of this retelling of the story
that she felt like she's hopeful that him and her
could work it out, and then when they get together,
his first thing that he says to her, so you
have anything to say to me, and she's like, no,
she did a recap. She's like, let's recap of what happened.
And when I could just tell that at that point
(04:33):
he doesn't want her anymore, Like he's not interested, he's
not interested in that.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, but I feel that was clear. I felt like
that was clear so many times. And even that one
bit of you know, that one moment where she says,
you know we're gonna I want to see him again,
I want to connect again. All I wrote down was like,
she's delusional and she's desperate, Like this is such a
this is so sad like. I think at the beginning
(04:56):
I was, and even in the middle of the season,
it was very much like, oh my god, this this
is hilarious, this is like sick, it's so sad like.
At that point, I just couldn't it physically hurt me,
Like it was so cringe to see her wanting that.
And I do think that when she did show up
to speak with him, I think a part of her
did feel that there was potential for reconciliation. But I
think because he led without anything you want to say
(05:18):
to me, and his energy was already off, I think,
by the grace of God, that she started to stop
seeing potential and started to see the reality of this
man child in front of her.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, I do think so too. I also think that
she actually says that. I think she says that the
reason why she kept it on so long with him
is because people were telling her that it was like
a holiday love and she wanted to prove them wrong.
And that is no place that has no reason to
start a relationship with someone, especially if you change your
(05:52):
religion and remove sex from the equation. I don't know
why she thought this little boy was going to marry her.
I don't know why she thought that it was appropriate
for her to go through this rigamarole with him and
try to prove everybody wrong. There was so many things
stacked against them, and it just seemed like she was
just I mean, even to me, the biggest egregious thing
(06:13):
was like, oh, no, you have to marry me for
us to have sex. No, but I've already had sex
with you. So that's why I think she's a villain
in all this, because she's the older party. She's the
one that needs to know, she's the one who needs
to make the better decision, and it felt like she
was using him and wanting him to deal with her nonsense.
And also, black people should not be Mormon. I mean
(06:36):
that religion was based on racism and they didn't want
people of color in their dumb religion. That is what
it was built on. So for any black person to
be like, oh yeah, Mormonism, that's it, it's like no,
like it's one of the new ones. It's one of
the new Christian sects of Christianity. And specifically they were like,
(06:58):
we don't want the colors in here. The reason they
have a whole mythology as to why the people on
earth were not white are the way they are.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Maybe she's not up to that part in all her
sermons because this is obviously very new to her, But
you know, I do think there's a there's something here
because she did make a statement saying that she's got
two years under her belt with him, and that she essentially,
like you said, didn't want it to be for nothing.
And obviously there were countless people that were saying that
(07:27):
it wasn't gonna work, and instead of heeding that advice,
she doubled down and did the opposite. I just think
there's there's such a large sector of women who moved
that way, who have said, like, I've already invested this
amount of time in this relationship. I have to keep going,
or I have to try everything or release everything in
my arsenal so that I can feel that if and
(07:47):
when I do walk away from this, I truly, truly,
truly would have given it my all, and I'm not
gonna lie. I think it is crazy. But also I
would be lying if I said that there wasn't a
part of my like or a relationship where I felt
like I had like been together X amount of time.
This is frustrating me, but I have to I have
to keep going. I have to keep going. Yeah, I'll
be honest about that. I think it's hard to admit that,
(08:09):
but I've seen so many examples of women making that
kind of decision for themselves. And on the other side
of that, though, it is so much growth where you
start to unpack that and unlearn that and realize that like, actually,
I don't have to move that way, But I think
it's all operating from a place of fear.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
If you're in your twenties or your early thirties and
you still have this fantasy of marriage, yes yes, yes,
one hundred So for her to be forty five and
doing this to me doesn't make any sense. As well
as like, this is not your last ditch effort. You're
so relatively you're still good looking, and you can find
a man your age. Look, you know what it is.
It's because I don't have kids that I think that
(08:47):
the choices for me are very slim, because most people
do have kids at my age. And so as a
woman who already has a kid, she's going to probably
meet a man who has kids and it'll be fine.
Like she it's so weird to me that she's like, oh,
I have to get with this twenty five year old
and if they've been together for two years, that means
that she shocked up on him when he was twenty three.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
No disgusting, yeah yeah face.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
So anyways, he's like, he tells her to go, he
doesn't want her anymore. She feels like he's being disrespectful,
and she calls him, she calls him fake and or
he calls her fake and she calls him a user,
and he then whistles at some point to like really
(09:34):
show that he doesn't care, and so she gets upset
and she throws water at him and calls him a
little boy, and she's.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Like, I'm so upset. There was no consternation about, you know,
or it off afterwards, and I was like, you withheld
sex from him and demanded that he marry you that
is what you did. You changed your religion with held
sex from him, and demanded that he marry you after
you had sex with him and you were forty two
(10:02):
or whatever and he was twenty three.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
No, no, I think that in the scope of their dynamic,
I think they both had many faults. I agree with
you wholeheartedly that I think she it was the aggressor
in this situation by kind of puppeteering all of this,
like I will have sex with you, but not anymore,
but now you have to marry me like that shit
is weird. I do think, just specific to this scene,
(10:29):
I thought he showed his age obviously. I thought he
was rude as fun. I thought that whistling shit, the
fact that she waited that long to throw that glass
of water. Once you whistle at me, it's a rap,
like I would have been tossed that shit. And I
am someone who is a big believer, like you don't
put hands on other people no matter, like in any
situation type shit, you know, But that was crazy. I
(10:50):
thought how he was just so it's just weird to
me from for a man who essentially the whole season
has been saying like I don't want this I don't
want this. I don't want this. He or she is
saying like, hey, you're right, this isn't gonna work, and
now you're being rude about it. Why that's weird. You
just got like you essentially got what you wanted. Like
she's walking away from this and she's telling you that
(11:11):
you guys aren't a fit, and now you're being rude
and being weird. I thought if he had that energy
early on, I would have been like, yeah, I get it,
like you're you're fighting fire with fire, like you're having
these ultimatums for this man, and now he's getting like,
chill out, you're doing too much. All that, then that
energy would have been warranted to me. But to do
it now I thought was childish as hell. And I
(11:33):
thought this was the first time, first scene that I
saw her have a glimpse of a backbone a little
bit to just be like hold on, I cause she
really even listen. Even at the point where she was
like we can end this with a hug, I was like, no, girl,
do not do that. Do not go back saying that
you now you want to hug this man after he
just gave you so many examples of being rude to you. No,
but you had a backbone for a smidge when you
(11:54):
threw that water. Now you no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
cancel this. Get these people off my screen. It's app.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
So she gets home and she talks with the about
the church dating website and she you know, then they
play hot gospel music and I was mad about that.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Oh I didn't even went right over me. Is that
what that was?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah, they played gospel music at the end while she's
like talking to be and I'm like, different religion. Do
not put gospel music under a church whose doctrines that
the people of color who are on this earth are
on are this way because they were devils in the
past life. Don't put that music under it was real.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Just like that's productions, ignorance.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Ignorant okay uh. Next couple is Ibrama and Zena. This
fool goes down on one knee and he's in the
sand and proposes and she says yes, and he's like,
thank you for accepting.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Mine and yeah, because that's still going yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
And then then he says, I'm very happy for you.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It seems transactional. She's like that's so kind, and he's like,
thank you, this is for you. I'm like, are we
selling cement? What's happening?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I'm just overwhelmed with love
for Abramham. I'm overwhelmed with love. And then so it's
just like she's like she sits down with him and
she's like, I've been thinking about it and I want
to talk to him about what he expects. And she's like,
so what do you expect? And he's like, I want
to marry with you and go to the UK. And
(13:40):
she's like, oh, I was worried you'd say that. Yeah,
my family's not gonna like that.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
It's just the first time they're having this conversation. Because
I thought this is an overdue understanding. You're already traveling
back and forth to see him, you've had the surgery.
He's you know, like, I'm just so confused why this
is the time where she's finding out what his intentions
are and where he wants to live. Babe, you're tardy
(14:09):
to the party. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah. They have an engagement meal and I wanted to
try it. I was like, I don't know if I
was hungry, but I was like it was fish and chips.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
No. That was the second meal.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Oh yeah, the first meal on the beach was the
second surprise.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, it was like a rice.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
It was like a rice with like it looks like
a coconut type situation over something.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
She loved it.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
She loved it. I felt like the chicken, it looked
like the skin wasn't crispy enough or greed in my sauce. Yeah,
And I was like, I need to see what that
looks like underneath that sauce. But she loved it, which
means it probably wasn't good.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Oh girl, Clockett, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Taste books and so oh yeah. So then they yeah,
they have that that meal and he's eating, gobbling it up.
This man is eating this food like he's never.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Had food, not a care in the world.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
And then the next day is when they have their
final meal together and it's fish and chips, and she
needs to go pack, and that's when she tells him,
like I do, I got to talk to my family
about it. And that's the one thing I think that
I enjoy that he understood is that she does have
to talk to her family. It's not a typical Western
thing to do, right, but she's using that as a
(15:20):
thing that and he seems to understand it, like, oh, yeah,
we family is involved with marriage. Yeah, And I was like,
oh that works in her favor.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, I didn't expect him to be understanding. I also
didn't expect him to understand, like, I still feel that
there's a disconnect here. I don't know why I feel
that way, not just on his end. I think it's both.
And I think they're speaking very different languages, literally, very
different love languages. I think there's just so much difference
here that I think they're like ships in the night,
like they think they're understanding, but they're just appeasing one another.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, and she's crazy for not knowing that he doesn't understand.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
That, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I don't know. I guess I
appreciated that he was understanding, but I said, I don't
think he grasped the totality of it, because it did
seem a little to be a little bit upset or
maybe shocked. I guess maybe in his aim to seek
an older woman such as her, that she that that
was something he could skip.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah. Maybe, But it also is interesting that he is
He's he's not arguing with her about it. He's just
like she just changed the story. He's like, oh, I
can live in the Gambia too, that's not a problem
as well, even though I just said I would want
to live in the UK.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Because she hit it up, she's like, oh that was easy,
and I'm like no, no, no, keep going.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
So she has the pack and she leaves him eating
his burger on the beach. He later joins her and
she's like, oh.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
I've got my water, I've got my pants, I've got
my braziers, I put my money and I'm.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Ready to go. Yeah, ready to go. She's like, I
just can't commit to marriage.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I love the fact he asked me to be his
His looks like the we offianced that he asked me
to be his wife. But I'm to it because I
have a nagging feeling and I just speak with my
family and I was like yeah girl. And then while
they're packing, he's like, yes, you need to convince your family,
and she's like, oh, no, convince it's not what I'm
gonna do. I'm just gonna talk to you about it
(17:19):
how they feel. Yeah, yeah, they're going to convince me.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
He did say something about wanting to get a message
back to her family. Then they have to accept the marriage,
and and that's how he said it. That's how it
came across on the screen. Whether that's how he meant
to for it to come across, I'm not sure, but
I think this is part of the communication challenges that
I keep seeing in this segment. Yeah, it just sounded
(17:44):
like he's very much like, yeah, let me know what
they say asap, because they got to get on with it.
That's not how he meant for it.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I mean, it's it is. He cannot they can't.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Girl pack it up? Yeah, Grover too so far exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
So then we've got Aura and Andy, and Andy's at
home and he's sitting in front of his computer and
he's like, oh my god, this email just came through.
Lo and behold just happened. I feel like what happened.
If the email came through and he called producers, She's like, quick,
get over here. So they passed up their ship, they
went to his house. I don't know what I'm gonna do.
I got to open it. So he opens it up
Hill and he's approved. They are approved, And I was like, Andy,
(18:24):
you're already married.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
But he did say that it was within two weeks,
even though they said it takes about six months. That's
a faster that's a very fast runum, regardless if you
have a lawyer or anything. But I would say a
lot of times from what I've seen in these applications
and things like that, if you are someone who is
employed in a STEM industry, you're likely to get approved
so much faster because those are industries that most countries
(18:50):
want their citizens or their they want those families to grow.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah, okay, so yeah, so they got approved and he
calls her and she's just fresh out of the shower
and she's like, oh my god, I feel like it
must have been the piece of conversation. And he tells
her that they got it. So they're both very happy,
but at the same time just super sad. But he
is going to the Philippines for what feels like the
third time now to pick her up.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
He's serious about our girl.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, I'm like auntie boy. Thirty hours each way.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
It's gotta cost him a pretty penny, but he said,
say less.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
It's his body right right right hours. It's crazy each
way he spent just what he went what three times?
So thirty I don't know the math. Sixty sixty times
three is one hundred and eighty Is that one hundred
and eighty?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Oh? Check math? All right, and.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Eighty hours of travel for her and yeah, but travel
but also for her oh yes, yes, or her and
so anyways, they get he gets there and there's one
last family tradition that they need to do. It's or think, Yeah,
(20:11):
which is the first.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
He was like, oh for Halloween. Yeah, no, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
So they get to the He's like, okay, so they
told me that we have to sleep in the mausoleum.
So he's thinking, it's very Western in these cribs. Girl,
it's a whole picnic.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
It is a two, it's a duplex, it's a condo. Yeah,
it's Florida c glass windows, stunning architecture. I was like, Oh,
they're rich, because I'd be at the Madolium where my
grandparents are buried. It's hot, it's muggy, there's hundreds of
other people in there. I'm not sleeping there. When he
(20:46):
was on the road, he found out with us in
the car with the producers, and I was like, Oh,
that's gonna be terrible for you, man who already struggles
with mobility. How are they going to seek comfort for him,
and then when they pulled up, I was like, oh,
you got money.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
It's a park, It is a full like barbecue. It
looks like the fourth of July at night.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
It's beautiful. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
And they're like making like skewers mob yeahlious. Yeah, they're
having a good time and they're making jokes at each
other and you know, it's it was. I was like,
I think this. And so the mother ends up saying
that it's good that you're doing these traditions with us,
and I want you to give me my grandchild and
I was like can.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
I literally was like does it work?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah? Can?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I m hm.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
And so he's like, oh, I don't like that. They're
immediately telling me to get and I'm like, you guys,
don't don't have children yet. Wait two years, wait to enjoy.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Enjoy the UK is a life.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, And so she's like, we're gonna give you a
basketball team of grandchildren. Ha ha ha ha ha.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
I see hot Asian kids. Yes. I was like okay,
miss ma'am, Yeah okay.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
So then she says that this is the life that
she chose and she's going to stay in the UK
with Andy. She says that she's cried three times in
her life, and one of them is leaving her family
at the airport.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
That's a crazy I sick. I cried three times just
season one of Great Anatomy. I know, Like I'm like,
I crossed so much repeatedly all the time. Yeah, And
I think she has a beautiful life, have.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
So many emotions. Yeah, and so she's definitely just like, well,
this is the life I chose. Now I want to
see her in the UK. I want to see her
in the UK. So if there's the season five and
Aurra is on it, I want to watch it.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Do you think this is the end of them on
this season?
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, we only have oh maybe not maybe.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
A little transition I'd like to see because she's never
been right, so what if she guess her she's like, oh,
rain gloomy, Like I want to see her raw reaction.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah that's true, but I want to see it after
she's been there for a while, Like it can't just
be like the first onset. And because it's like I
love the weather, all the sun's out. I love the
weather right now. I wanted to stay that way, but
it cannot be that way for months on it correct,
And so yeah. Anyway, so she she's just gonna push
(23:09):
through and see and we'll see. Because we do have
three more episodes. I imagine that we're done with Shorna
and we have not talked to Daling. We haven't talked
to them in like three episodes.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Are they gonna circle back around? I think once there's
like a happy ending.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
There was no happy ending.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
No, he proposed on the boat. Oh yeah, so I
think once, like the it seems like the ninety day
Fiance world doesn't care about happiness. They only care about chaos.
They're like, y'all are happy, boo bye.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
There's more chaos with I don't know. But then yeah,
so we do have Ali and Sandra, and we have
Sarah and Marco, and we've got dialing, and I don't
know what's gonna happen with uh, welcome month. I don't
know what's going to happen with Abram. Yeah, so we'll
see they and there's a tell all, which they never
(24:01):
have a tell all for UK some episode or is
an episode, So it's the fourteenth episode.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
That's okay, did you see I hope?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, last couple. We've got Finn and Sandra. So Finn
is is a wild beast. He's a he's a he's
a weird he's a weirdo. So okay, they're going to
uh his mother's house so that Sandra and the mom
can meet. Did you notice that Sandra's mother's eye shadow
(24:32):
had either dissipated or she had put like one little
blot of blue and just went about our business like
I was just really confused.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Did you notice anything about that Finn's mother. Yeah, no,
I didn't notice that at all. I only noticed her temperament,
like her being quite chill and agreeable.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yes she was, but it looked like she had she
had put on some blue eye shadow, maybe earlier in
the day, and doesn't know that we need to like
put a base on that you can just like put
it on and go by your bed. By the time
they got there, the oil from the lids just dissipated
in and it was just like a It was sad.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
A lot of these people did make up in the
eighties where you didn't need the primer and all that stuff.
There's it's just a application at a different time.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, the mirror and reapply it. If that's the case.
You know, the cameras are coming like it's not a secret.
They don't just show up.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
With you said, have some decorum.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
You're on TV together, get it together. I do judge
the people who come on nine Day.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Obviously, I'm never gonna be on TV in front of you.
I'd be like, it's my makeup good because wats checking?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, I am checking. You're on TV. Get it together.
Those there are those of us who want to be
on TV.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
No fact, that's the fact. I'm prepared or spot I
hear that.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
So anyway, so she tells mom. She tells the mother
that she hates the UK, that she's not into it,
and she wants to go back to Brazil post taste
and uh, Mom thinks that he should move to Brazil,
but he just go and live his life in Brazil.
Yeah so the language.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
So then he's like, I'm gonna go make another cup
of tea and he goes away so that he could
have a secret conversation with hellousa.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I hated that part.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I hated it. So he sits down and he calls Helloisa,
and he's like, just I heard that you were trying
to have her ex at the party. Are you trying
to like push me out? And you want the ex
to take my place and helloiss like weirdo. No, okay,
first of all, he's a good time. He wasn't good
for my sister. But he's actually the father of my
(26:28):
niece and nephew, and my niece and nephew are still
in his life, so we're gonna invite him to family gatherings.
And if he happens to speak the language, so be
it right. You happen to speak the language too, but
you happen to not want to.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
And he is friends with Luisa's husband, Yes, was saying
that they had casually bumped into each other when they
were out and about, and that's when the husband was like,
oh my god, we're gonn have a barbecue and you
should come through. We're gonna link up. And she even says, like,
what did you want me to do? Just like say
no to my husband, And in that moment he's like yeah,
he's nodding. Yes. The irony of the fact that Sandra
(27:05):
asked him not to do something and he did it anyway,
So okay, rules for thee but not for me.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah yeah, yeah. So Heloisa is annoyed that he's even
calling her I like her a lot. I like it too,
So she actually doesn't think that Finn is gonna move
to Brazil and says it to his face, like, come on,
stop playing with you know you're not gonna move here.
You don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
She's calling his luff. Yeah, you're not. You're not doing nothing.
First of all, yeah, first of all, you ain't doing shit?
How about that. I was like, okay, I heard you. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Then he's like, well, I guess the proof is that
they're pudding, and I'm ast spotted dick and spotted dick
is a type of pudding. I let me look at
exactly what it is.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, it's funky, but I I think the thing is
I don't know that anyone has ever been direct with him,
and I don't think he's confrontational. So I think I
think him up against Eluise is such a beautiful thing
to see because I don't think he expected things to
go that way. I think he expected, like, not only
am I speaking to my partner's sister, so I'm speaking
(28:08):
to a woman, but I'm being very direct with her.
I think she might buckle, but it's it's not in
Brazilian culture to buckle women. Are the head of the
households predominantly, you know, And I thought it was so
spot on when she's like, I don't buy it. I
don't think you'll marry. I don't think you'll move here.
I don't think you'll learn the language. I don't see
(28:29):
you being capable of doing any of those things. So yeah,
and I'm only telling you because you called me yeah,
so you don't.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Get yeah, okay. A spotted dick is a traditional British
steamed sponge pudding made with suet, flour, sugar, dried fruit
such as currants, are raisin and given a little giving
it a little spotted experience, I mean appearance. Typically it's
served with a sweet, warm custard, and the name dick
is thought to be shortened term from the word pudding
(28:59):
or put dnc. So people would say say pudding, people
would say pudding ink, and then now it's dick. Now
here's the thing. I thought, oh my god, that looks
so delicious, because it actually does look good. It looks
just like a little pound cake with the like fruits
in it. But then I looked down and it said,
toell me, what suet is? What is rendered beef or
mutton fat used in a pudding, or butter or lard
(29:23):
can be used a substitute, so it's basically instead of
just I'm like, why do you have you gonna have
to add the suet like it's just butter, Just say
it's butter. You have to tell me that it's like
rendered animal fat in a pastry. Dick was with custord,
so it doesn't look that bad, and I was like,
how is pudding putting a pound? I don't know, but
you know, we have different words for different things. Okay.
So he's like, oh, my boof is in the pudding
(29:44):
and I'm a spotted dick.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
So he goes into the kitchen and he's like, well,
I didn't come back with any tea, but I did
come back with some perbial tea and they're like stuff called.
He's like, I called your sister Hallows and asked her again,
was she's trying to sabotage our relationship? And Standard's like.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
My sister alone exactly like I specifically asked you. She
doesn't ask for a lot. She specifically asked him, don't
do that today. It's not the day. Can we have
a day where we don't bring this up and he said,
you know what, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, he said no, and she's like, I said it
was not the right tenant to talk to my sister.
And he's like, can we move on?
Speaker 1 (30:28):
And she's like, I would have cranked that soldier boy
by on the forehead.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
He's like, she's like, what do you mean move on?
Do you mean that you don't want to talk about
this anymore? And he's like, yeah, no, I don't want
to talk about it anymore.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
And she's like, she said, you lucky your mama's here
the way I would have.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yeah, And it did happen. So later on the next
day he tells us that they got into a huge fight,
a huge.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Fight until the energy was off.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, And so she she and of calling her sister
to the next day and Sandra says that she's tried
a lot for this relationship to work, and now she
said a loss as to what to do. And he's
decided that he's going to propose to his longtime girlfriend
live on the radio and we don't want to read
it a yeah. He thinks that that's gonna make it
(31:19):
better after he did the thing that she asked not
to do. And it's like not learning the language. I mean,
he hasn't spoken one sentence of Portuguese to her since
she's gotten to the U Kid to even improve anything.
And so he's he decides he's going to do it
on the radio, and so he's like, he's like, oh yeah,
because that's the only place I feel comfortable, Like the
(31:41):
late great MJ said he only feels comfortable on stage,
and I only feel comfortable in front of my podcast.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Mike, I'm like, are you comparing yourself to the great
Michael Joseph Jackson that?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
And how how many like little like metaphors are you
going to add? In this episode? Spotted Dick outside swimming
like the swans, like just continue you hate me, continuously
trying to be clever with his words. And that works
on the telep It works on the radio, I'm sure,
because he actually sounded pretty good and clear when he
(32:14):
was doing his little spots on the radio. And then
he's like, we're talking about bucket lists today, and the
thing that we're going to talk about on bucket list
is I'm going to propose to my girlfriend on up.
It's going to be a surprise to her, and so
he asks her to sit there and put on headphones
and she's like, no, now.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
It was already a sour energy between them too, like
he just wanted to skip over it. I think that's
such a shitty sign for relationships when somebody just wants
to like not address what's clearly an elephant in the room,
like smooth that over before you can move forward, because
that is the fastest way to piss me smooth off, Like, oh,
you don't see me here, you don't see my attitude
(32:55):
and what I'm annoyed at, and you just want to
ask me what I want to eat. Don't piss me off.
I'll take a pizza. But still, we got to get
back to what we are meant to talk about. You
could tell that she was like really nearing her breaking point,
I feel, and towards the tail end of this episode,
I felt really badly for her because we never see
her being emotional. She seems to be a pretty sound person,
really level headed, and she's obviously crying in the confessional.
(33:17):
She's stressed out. She's telling her sister like he wants
me to go to this radio show, I'm gonna go,
which I think her even showing up there shows that
she's still willing to go above and beyond and to
meet him halfway. I thought it was so out of
pocket for him to announce it to the world that
he was going to do this. I was like, you
know what, you deserve to be embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
I would have embarrassed him, just on straight, just because
of that, just I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I would have
been like, hey, audience, I'm sorry. I have to say no,
because yesterday we got into a huge fight and now
he's pretending like it didn't happen and proposed him to me,
and that's weird. And so until your man can talk
to me and have a conversation with me about our
feelings and not just spring things upon me, it's not
(34:00):
going to work out in the marriage.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Night, right, congratulations, Because I just got you hundreds of
more followers. Good night. People are gonna be like, oh shit,
oh shit, oh shit.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, what's he gonna say about it? Follow up episode?
All kinds of stuff. He's got that ring out in
front of her and she's just staring at him, and
she's like, are you sick?
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Are you sick? I think today's not a good day
to ask I like that. She said that on the air.
You just make me want to buck at him.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I hate but it's crazy what people.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Like don't upset me.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
It's crazy what people will do when they help them
try to manipulate and not think that they're manipulating it.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
That's why I'm not a fan of public proposals for
that reason. Like, even even if I walk with you now,
you like, why come on?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's awkward too, unless
we've already talked about it and we were been like
you were going to get married, and like you're just
waiting to do it maybe as a grand thing, but
we've already talked about the fact that you both want
to get married and I want to marry you, and
things have been good for for a very long time. Yeah,
you can't just bring it on on me at any moment,
like unless we've talked about it.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, But I also feel like if you've talked about
it before, you would know if your person does not
like public proposals, like you would also have captured that insight,
and then you'd be like, hmmm, actually, she doesn't want
me to get on one knee at the fifty yard
line in the fucking us bank Viking Stadium. Don't get
the fuck up. My mama's watching like no, yeah, shows up.
(35:34):
Show ass is exactly what would have come out. I
would have been like, if you don't turn off the
record button, it's about to be a movie, you.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Spell, you don't turn off that record, right?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Do you wanna before I sor and throw this gatorade?
Speaker 2 (35:55):
As all right, you guys, that's the episode. Thank you
so much for joining us, Thank you Shae for doing
this with me. Tell tell the people where they can
find you.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
You can find me on TikTok, Sheleen said, and you
can find me on Instagram as sugar shehet come find.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Me, and you can find me on all social medias
as just call me WAW and you can follow the
podcast on all social medias as doc you sweeties. So
you guys, thank you so much for joining us, and
we will talk to you later. Bye bye
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hey everyone, I'm wa and I'm shy, and this is
DOCU Sweeties. Chris is not here. Obviously you've been listening
to this, you would know. But the normal intro is
we are too long time friends to discuss the rubining
and sometimes trashy world of reality TV and docuseries, but
through our own lens, which can be disgusted, sick, excited, sad,
(00:32):
but hopefully at the end of the day, mildly sweet.
So with me today is Shae Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Shae Hi. Friends, Hi wa, how are we doing.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
We're good, We're good. Uh So, let's just step right
in and let's start with Let's let's put them last.
Let's start with odd in the villain's via.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Okay, I'm interested to hear about your feelings about them.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, I took pictures. I thought I took pictures of
her because I thought her makeup was was really quite
shameful this episodisode. I guess I didn't. Her makeup is terrible, Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yes, yeah, her hair, I would her hair hair.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, it's it's bad, and I'm like, she okay, First
of all, she needs she needs a color correct and concealer,
because we can still see that there are bags. But
that's okay. She's a woman of a certain agent. Maybe
she's out there hustling and doing her Yeah, but then
there's no excuse for those eyebrows, and there's no excuse
for the eyeliner to be wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
She's very weird, and you know what, she has what
looks like a teenage early adult daughter who, even if
she herself doesn't know much about present day makeup, there
are people that are in her world that I'm sure
I could check it almost immediately. For me, it's less
the makeup more the hair. I don't know why, but
(01:57):
I specifically wrote at the end of the episode, like,
oh there's a hair change. I like this one better,
Like I made a note of that from her segment.
That's all I walked away with from her segment. Yeah, ye,
but yeah, but that's really stood out.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So we didn't really have a segment. It was more
so just a reiterating of what had happened and then
a glass of water being thrown because she was so annoyed.
So basically they were having a good time. This is
her words. They were having a good time. They were
out in the town, and then there was an argument
because they were in a car, in a taxi, in
an uber and the uber man had just gotten his
(02:34):
hairline done, and so she's like, oh, I have a
friend who wants to get their hairline done. Let me
get your number and let's you know, I'll hook you
up with my friend. And this upset odd non to
no end to the harmless. It does seem harmless in anoqualus,
but like culturally it to him it was mad disrespectful
to get that person suffer. She didn't think it wastful
(02:56):
because it happened in front of him. She's like, I
wasn't doing an afairs you have in front of him. No,
I don't. But I tend to not think these things
because you know, I'm not somebody who wants a whole
I don't think that anything that I do is going
to stop someone from cheating on me.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Oh agreed, I yeah. I think that's a nugget of
advice for everyone to walk through life with. I do think, though,
that he was using any opportunity to start a fight
to create further distance. I feel like when he's close
to her physically, he feels like he can tolerate her,
(03:36):
and then when it's not a physical connection, he's annoyed, irritated,
and wants to do whatever possible to drive a wedge
between them. And I think this was his out. Sounds
like to me, it's I mean, it's not it's not
the first it's the first event. I mean, it's the
one of many from this season. But I think he
jumped out the opportunity, and I think she felt blindsided
(03:59):
by it. But I think if you put a pin
and reflect, you'll see that there were countless red flags
and this is kind of right up there with all
of them.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yes, I do agree. I think that. You know, she
says at the end of this retelling of the story
that she felt like she's hopeful that him and her
could work it out, and then when they get together,
his first thing that he says to her, so you
have anything to say to me, and she's like, no,
she did a recap. She's like, let's recap of what happened.
And when I could just tell that at that point
(04:33):
he doesn't want her anymore, Like he's not interested, he's
not interested in that.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, but I feel that was clear. I felt like
that was clear so many times. And even that one
bit of you know, that one moment where she says,
you know we're gonna I want to see him again,
I want to connect again. All I wrote down was like,
she's delusional and she's desperate, Like this is such a
this is so sad like. I think at the beginning
(04:56):
I was, and even in the middle of the season,
it was very much like, oh my god, this this
is hilarious, this is like sick, it's so sad like.
At that point, I just couldn't it physically hurt me,
Like it was so cringe to see her wanting that.
And I do think that when she did show up
to speak with him, I think a part of her
did feel that there was potential for reconciliation. But I
think because he led without anything you want to say
(05:18):
to me, and his energy was already off, I think,
by the grace of God, that she started to stop
seeing potential and started to see the reality of this
man child in front of her.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, I do think so too. I also think that
she actually says that. I think she says that the
reason why she kept it on so long with him
is because people were telling her that it was like
a holiday love and she wanted to prove them wrong.
And that is no place that has no reason to
start a relationship with someone, especially if you change your
(05:52):
religion and remove sex from the equation. I don't know
why she thought this little boy was going to marry her.
I don't know why she thought that it was appropriate
for her to go through this rigamarole with him and
try to prove everybody wrong. There was so many things
stacked against them, and it just seemed like she was
just I mean, even to me, the biggest egregious thing
(06:13):
was like, oh, no, you have to marry me for
us to have sex. No, but I've already had sex
with you. So that's why I think she's a villain
in all this, because she's the older party. She's the
one that needs to know, she's the one who needs
to make the better decision, and it felt like she
was using him and wanting him to deal with her nonsense.
And also, black people should not be Mormon. I mean
(06:36):
that religion was based on racism and they didn't want
people of color in their dumb religion. That is what
it was built on. So for any black person to
be like, oh yeah, Mormonism, that's it, it's like no,
like it's one of the new ones. It's one of
the new Christian sects of Christianity. And specifically they were like,
(06:58):
we don't want the colors in here. The reason they
have a whole mythology as to why the people on
earth were not white are the way they are.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Maybe she's not up to that part in all her
sermons because this is obviously very new to her, But
you know, I do think there's a there's something here
because she did make a statement saying that she's got
two years under her belt with him, and that she essentially,
like you said, didn't want it to be for nothing.
And obviously there were countless people that were saying that
(07:27):
it wasn't gonna work, and instead of heeding that advice,
she doubled down and did the opposite. I just think
there's there's such a large sector of women who moved
that way, who have said, like, I've already invested this
amount of time in this relationship. I have to keep going,
or I have to try everything or release everything in
my arsenal so that I can feel that if and
(07:47):
when I do walk away from this, I truly, truly,
truly would have given it my all, and I'm not
gonna lie. I think it is crazy. But also I
would be lying if I said that there wasn't a
part of my like or a relationship where I felt
like I had like been together X amount of time.
This is frustrating me, but I have to I have
to keep going. I have to keep going. Yeah, I'll
be honest about that. I think it's hard to admit that,
(08:09):
but I've seen so many examples of women making that
kind of decision for themselves. And on the other side
of that, though, it is so much growth where you
start to unpack that and unlearn that and realize that like, actually,
I don't have to move that way, But I think
it's all operating from a place of fear.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
If you're in your twenties or your early thirties and
you still have this fantasy of marriage, yes yes, yes,
one hundred So for her to be forty five and
doing this to me doesn't make any sense. As well
as like, this is not your last ditch effort. You're
so relatively you're still good looking, and you can find
a man your age. Look, you know what it is.
It's because I don't have kids that I think that
(08:47):
the choices for me are very slim, because most people
do have kids at my age. And so as a
woman who already has a kid, she's going to probably
meet a man who has kids and it'll be fine.
Like she it's so weird to me that she's like, oh,
I have to get with this twenty five year old
and if they've been together for two years, that means
that she shocked up on him when he was twenty three.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
No disgusting, yeah yeah face.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
So anyways, he's like, he tells her to go, he
doesn't want her anymore. She feels like he's being disrespectful,
and she calls him, she calls him fake and or
he calls her fake and she calls him a user,
and he then whistles at some point to like really
(09:34):
show that he doesn't care, and so she gets upset
and she throws water at him and calls him a
little boy, and she's.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Like, I'm so upset. There was no consternation about, you know,
or it off afterwards, and I was like, you withheld
sex from him and demanded that he marry you that
is what you did. You changed your religion with held
sex from him, and demanded that he marry you after
you had sex with him and you were forty two
(10:02):
or whatever and he was twenty three.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
No, no, I think that in the scope of their dynamic,
I think they both had many faults. I agree with
you wholeheartedly that I think she it was the aggressor
in this situation by kind of puppeteering all of this,
like I will have sex with you, but not anymore,
but now you have to marry me like that shit
is weird. I do think, just specific to this scene,
(10:29):
I thought he showed his age obviously. I thought he
was rude as fun. I thought that whistling shit, the
fact that she waited that long to throw that glass
of water. Once you whistle at me, it's a rap,
like I would have been tossed that shit. And I
am someone who is a big believer, like you don't
put hands on other people no matter, like in any
situation type shit, you know, But that was crazy. I
(10:50):
thought how he was just so it's just weird to
me from for a man who essentially the whole season
has been saying like I don't want this I don't
want this. I don't want this. He or she is
saying like, hey, you're right, this isn't gonna work, and
now you're being rude about it. Why that's weird. You
just got like you essentially got what you wanted. Like
she's walking away from this and she's telling you that
(11:11):
you guys aren't a fit, and now you're being rude
and being weird. I thought if he had that energy
early on, I would have been like, yeah, I get it,
like you're you're fighting fire with fire, like you're having
these ultimatums for this man, and now he's getting like,
chill out, you're doing too much. All that, then that
energy would have been warranted to me. But to do
it now I thought was childish as hell. And I
(11:33):
thought this was the first time, first scene that I
saw her have a glimpse of a backbone a little
bit to just be like hold on, I cause she
really even listen. Even at the point where she was
like we can end this with a hug, I was like, no, girl,
do not do that. Do not go back saying that
you now you want to hug this man after he
just gave you so many examples of being rude to you. No,
but you had a backbone for a smidge when you
(11:54):
threw that water. Now you no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
cancel this. Get these people off my screen. It's app.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
So she gets home and she talks with the about
the church dating website and she you know, then they
play hot gospel music and I was mad about that.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Oh I didn't even went right over me. Is that
what that was?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah, they played gospel music at the end while she's
like talking to be and I'm like, different religion. Do
not put gospel music under a church whose doctrines that
the people of color who are on this earth are
on are this way because they were devils in the
past life. Don't put that music under it was real.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Just like that's productions, ignorance.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Ignorant okay uh. Next couple is Ibrama and Zena. This
fool goes down on one knee and he's in the
sand and proposes and she says yes, and he's like,
thank you for accepting.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Mine and yeah, because that's still going yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
And then then he says, I'm very happy for you.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It seems transactional. She's like that's so kind, and he's like,
thank you, this is for you. I'm like, are we
selling cement? What's happening?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I'm just overwhelmed with love
for Abramham. I'm overwhelmed with love. And then so it's
just like she's like she sits down with him and
she's like, I've been thinking about it and I want
to talk to him about what he expects. And she's like,
so what do you expect? And he's like, I want
to marry with you and go to the UK. And
(13:40):
she's like, oh, I was worried you'd say that. Yeah,
my family's not gonna like that.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
It's just the first time they're having this conversation. Because
I thought this is an overdue understanding. You're already traveling
back and forth to see him, you've had the surgery.
He's you know, like, I'm just so confused why this
is the time where she's finding out what his intentions
are and where he wants to live. Babe, you're tardy
(14:09):
to the party. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah. They have an engagement meal and I wanted to
try it. I was like, I don't know if I
was hungry, but I was like it was fish and chips.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
No. That was the second meal.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Oh yeah, the first meal on the beach was the
second surprise.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, it was like a rice.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
It was like a rice with like it looks like
a coconut type situation over something.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
She loved it.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
She loved it. I felt like the chicken, it looked
like the skin wasn't crispy enough or greed in my sauce. Yeah,
And I was like, I need to see what that
looks like underneath that sauce. But she loved it, which
means it probably wasn't good.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Oh girl, Clockett, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Taste books and so oh yeah. So then they yeah,
they have that that meal and he's eating, gobbling it up.
This man is eating this food like he's never.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Had food, not a care in the world.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
And then the next day is when they have their
final meal together and it's fish and chips, and she
needs to go pack, and that's when she tells him,
like I do, I got to talk to my family
about it. And that's the one thing I think that
I enjoy that he understood is that she does have
to talk to her family. It's not a typical Western
thing to do, right, but she's using that as a
(15:20):
thing that and he seems to understand it, like, oh, yeah,
we family is involved with marriage. Yeah, And I was like,
oh that works in her favor.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, I didn't expect him to be understanding. I also
didn't expect him to understand, like, I still feel that
there's a disconnect here. I don't know why I feel
that way, not just on his end. I think it's both.
And I think they're speaking very different languages, literally, very
different love languages. I think there's just so much difference
here that I think they're like ships in the night,
like they think they're understanding, but they're just appeasing one another.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, and she's crazy for not knowing that he doesn't understand.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
That, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I don't know. I guess I
appreciated that he was understanding, but I said, I don't
think he grasped the totality of it, because it did
seem a little to be a little bit upset or
maybe shocked. I guess maybe in his aim to seek
an older woman such as her, that she that that
was something he could skip.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah. Maybe, But it also is interesting that he is
He's he's not arguing with her about it. He's just
like she just changed the story. He's like, oh, I
can live in the Gambia too, that's not a problem
as well, even though I just said I would want
to live in the UK.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Because she hit it up, she's like, oh that was easy,
and I'm like no, no, no, keep going.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
So she has the pack and she leaves him eating
his burger on the beach. He later joins her and
she's like, oh.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
I've got my water, I've got my pants, I've got
my braziers, I put my money and I'm.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Ready to go. Yeah, ready to go. She's like, I
just can't commit to marriage.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I love the fact he asked me to be his
His looks like the we offianced that he asked me
to be his wife. But I'm to it because I
have a nagging feeling and I just speak with my
family and I was like yeah girl. And then while
they're packing, he's like, yes, you need to convince your family,
and she's like, oh, no, convince it's not what I'm
gonna do. I'm just gonna talk to you about it
(17:19):
how they feel. Yeah, yeah, they're going to convince me.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
He did say something about wanting to get a message
back to her family. Then they have to accept the marriage,
and and that's how he said it. That's how it
came across on the screen. Whether that's how he meant
to for it to come across, I'm not sure, but
I think this is part of the communication challenges that
I keep seeing in this segment. Yeah, it just sounded
(17:44):
like he's very much like, yeah, let me know what
they say asap, because they got to get on with it.
That's not how he meant for it.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I mean, it's it is. He cannot they can't.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Girl pack it up? Yeah, Grover too so far exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
So then we've got Aura and Andy, and Andy's at
home and he's sitting in front of his computer and
he's like, oh my god, this email just came through.
Lo and behold just happened. I feel like what happened.
If the email came through and he called producers, She's like, quick,
get over here. So they passed up their ship, they
went to his house. I don't know what I'm gonna do.
I got to open it. So he opens it up
Hill and he's approved. They are approved, And I was like, Andy,
(18:24):
you're already married.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
But he did say that it was within two weeks,
even though they said it takes about six months. That's
a faster that's a very fast runum, regardless if you
have a lawyer or anything. But I would say a
lot of times from what I've seen in these applications
and things like that, if you are someone who is
employed in a STEM industry, you're likely to get approved
so much faster because those are industries that most countries
(18:50):
want their citizens or their they want those families to grow.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah, okay, so yeah, so they got approved and he
calls her and she's just fresh out of the shower
and she's like, oh my god, I feel like it
must have been the piece of conversation. And he tells
her that they got it. So they're both very happy,
but at the same time just super sad. But he
is going to the Philippines for what feels like the
third time now to pick her up.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
He's serious about our girl.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, I'm like auntie boy. Thirty hours each way.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
It's gotta cost him a pretty penny, but he said,
say less.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
It's his body right right right hours. It's crazy each
way he spent just what he went what three times?
So thirty I don't know the math. Sixty sixty times
three is one hundred and eighty Is that one hundred
and eighty?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Oh? Check math? All right, and.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Eighty hours of travel for her and yeah, but travel
but also for her oh yes, yes, or her and
so anyways, they get he gets there and there's one
last family tradition that they need to do. It's or think, Yeah,
(20:11):
which is the first.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
He was like, oh for Halloween. Yeah, no, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
So they get to the He's like, okay, so they
told me that we have to sleep in the mausoleum.
So he's thinking, it's very Western in these cribs. Girl,
it's a whole picnic.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
It is a two, it's a duplex, it's a condo. Yeah,
it's Florida c glass windows, stunning architecture. I was like, Oh,
they're rich, because I'd be at the Madolium where my
grandparents are buried. It's hot, it's muggy, there's hundreds of
other people in there. I'm not sleeping there. When he
(20:46):
was on the road, he found out with us in
the car with the producers, and I was like, Oh,
that's gonna be terrible for you, man who already struggles
with mobility. How are they going to seek comfort for him,
and then when they pulled up, I was like, oh,
you got money.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
It's a park, It is a full like barbecue. It
looks like the fourth of July at night.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
It's beautiful. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
And they're like making like skewers mob yeahlious. Yeah, they're
having a good time and they're making jokes at each
other and you know, it's it was. I was like,
I think this. And so the mother ends up saying
that it's good that you're doing these traditions with us,
and I want you to give me my grandchild and
I was like can.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
I literally was like does it work?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah? Can?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I m hm.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
And so he's like, oh, I don't like that. They're
immediately telling me to get and I'm like, you guys,
don't don't have children yet. Wait two years, wait to enjoy.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Enjoy the UK is a life.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, And so she's like, we're gonna give you a
basketball team of grandchildren. Ha ha ha ha ha.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
I see hot Asian kids. Yes. I was like okay,
miss ma'am, Yeah okay.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
So then she says that this is the life that
she chose and she's going to stay in the UK
with Andy. She says that she's cried three times in
her life, and one of them is leaving her family
at the airport.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
That's a crazy I sick. I cried three times just
season one of Great Anatomy. I know, Like I'm like,
I crossed so much repeatedly all the time. Yeah, And
I think she has a beautiful life, have.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
So many emotions. Yeah, and so she's definitely just like, well,
this is the life I chose. Now I want to
see her in the UK. I want to see her
in the UK. So if there's the season five and
Aurra is on it, I want to watch it.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Do you think this is the end of them on
this season?
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, we only have oh maybe not maybe.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
A little transition I'd like to see because she's never
been right, so what if she guess her she's like, oh,
rain gloomy, Like I want to see her raw reaction.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah that's true, but I want to see it after
she's been there for a while, Like it can't just
be like the first onset. And because it's like I
love the weather, all the sun's out. I love the
weather right now. I wanted to stay that way, but
it cannot be that way for months on it correct,
And so yeah. Anyway, so she she's just gonna push
(23:09):
through and see and we'll see. Because we do have
three more episodes. I imagine that we're done with Shorna
and we have not talked to Daling. We haven't talked
to them in like three episodes.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Are they gonna circle back around? I think once there's
like a happy ending.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
There was no happy ending.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
No, he proposed on the boat. Oh yeah, so I
think once, like the it seems like the ninety day
Fiance world doesn't care about happiness. They only care about chaos.
They're like, y'all are happy, boo bye.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
There's more chaos with I don't know. But then yeah,
so we do have Ali and Sandra, and we have
Sarah and Marco, and we've got dialing, and I don't
know what's gonna happen with uh, welcome month. I don't
know what's going to happen with Abram. Yeah, so we'll
see they and there's a tell all, which they never
(24:01):
have a tell all for UK some episode or is
an episode, So it's the fourteenth episode.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
That's okay, did you see I hope?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, last couple. We've got Finn and Sandra. So Finn
is is a wild beast. He's a he's a he's
a weird he's a weirdo. So okay, they're going to
uh his mother's house so that Sandra and the mom
can meet. Did you notice that Sandra's mother's eye shadow
(24:32):
had either dissipated or she had put like one little
blot of blue and just went about our business like
I was just really confused.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Did you notice anything about that Finn's mother. Yeah, no,
I didn't notice that at all. I only noticed her temperament,
like her being quite chill and agreeable.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yes she was, but it looked like she had she
had put on some blue eye shadow, maybe earlier in
the day, and doesn't know that we need to like
put a base on that you can just like put
it on and go by your bed. By the time
they got there, the oil from the lids just dissipated
in and it was just like a It was sad.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
A lot of these people did make up in the
eighties where you didn't need the primer and all that stuff.
There's it's just a application at a different time.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, the mirror and reapply it. If that's the case.
You know, the cameras are coming like it's not a secret.
They don't just show up.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
With you said, have some decorum.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
You're on TV together, get it together. I do judge
the people who come on nine Day.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Obviously, I'm never gonna be on TV in front of you.
I'd be like, it's my makeup good because wats checking?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, I am checking. You're on TV. Get it together.
Those there are those of us who want to be
on TV.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
No fact, that's the fact. I'm prepared or spot I
hear that.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
So anyway, so she tells mom. She tells the mother
that she hates the UK, that she's not into it,
and she wants to go back to Brazil post taste
and uh, Mom thinks that he should move to Brazil,
but he just go and live his life in Brazil.
Yeah so the language.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
So then he's like, I'm gonna go make another cup
of tea and he goes away so that he could
have a secret conversation with hellousa.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I hated that part.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I hated it. So he sits down and he calls Helloisa,
and he's like, just I heard that you were trying
to have her ex at the party. Are you trying
to like push me out? And you want the ex
to take my place and helloiss like weirdo. No, okay,
first of all, he's a good time. He wasn't good
for my sister. But he's actually the father of my
(26:28):
niece and nephew, and my niece and nephew are still
in his life, so we're gonna invite him to family gatherings.
And if he happens to speak the language, so be
it right. You happen to speak the language too, but
you happen to not want to.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
And he is friends with Luisa's husband, Yes, was saying
that they had casually bumped into each other when they
were out and about, and that's when the husband was like,
oh my god, we're gonn have a barbecue and you
should come through. We're gonna link up. And she even says, like,
what did you want me to do? Just like say
no to my husband, And in that moment he's like yeah,
he's nodding. Yes. The irony of the fact that Sandra
(27:05):
asked him not to do something and he did it anyway,
So okay, rules for thee but not for me.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah yeah, yeah. So Heloisa is annoyed that he's even
calling her I like her a lot. I like it too,
So she actually doesn't think that Finn is gonna move
to Brazil and says it to his face, like, come on,
stop playing with you know you're not gonna move here.
You don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
She's calling his luff. Yeah, you're not. You're not doing nothing.
First of all, yeah, first of all, you ain't doing shit?
How about that. I was like, okay, I heard you. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Then he's like, well, I guess the proof is that
they're pudding, and I'm ast spotted dick and spotted dick
is a type of pudding. I let me look at
exactly what it is.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, it's funky, but I I think the thing is
I don't know that anyone has ever been direct with him,
and I don't think he's confrontational. So I think I
think him up against Eluise is such a beautiful thing
to see because I don't think he expected things to
go that way. I think he expected, like, not only
am I speaking to my partner's sister, so I'm speaking
(28:08):
to a woman, but I'm being very direct with her.
I think she might buckle, but it's it's not in
Brazilian culture to buckle women. Are the head of the
households predominantly, you know, And I thought it was so
spot on when she's like, I don't buy it. I
don't think you'll marry. I don't think you'll move here.
I don't think you'll learn the language. I don't see
(28:29):
you being capable of doing any of those things. So yeah,
and I'm only telling you because you called me yeah,
so you don't.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Get yeah, okay. A spotted dick is a traditional British
steamed sponge pudding made with suet, flour, sugar, dried fruit
such as currants, are raisin and given a little giving
it a little spotted experience, I mean appearance. Typically it's
served with a sweet, warm custard, and the name dick
is thought to be shortened term from the word pudding
(28:59):
or put dnc. So people would say say pudding, people
would say pudding ink, and then now it's dick. Now
here's the thing. I thought, oh my god, that looks
so delicious, because it actually does look good. It looks
just like a little pound cake with the like fruits
in it. But then I looked down and it said,
toell me, what suet is? What is rendered beef or
mutton fat used in a pudding, or butter or lard
(29:23):
can be used a substitute, so it's basically instead of
just I'm like, why do you have you gonna have
to add the suet like it's just butter, Just say
it's butter. You have to tell me that it's like
rendered animal fat in a pastry. Dick was with custord,
so it doesn't look that bad, and I was like,
how is pudding putting a pound? I don't know, but
you know, we have different words for different things. Okay.
So he's like, oh, my boof is in the pudding
(29:44):
and I'm a spotted dick.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
So he goes into the kitchen and he's like, well,
I didn't come back with any tea, but I did
come back with some perbial tea and they're like stuff called.
He's like, I called your sister Hallows and asked her again,
was she's trying to sabotage our relationship? And Standard's like.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
My sister alone exactly like I specifically asked you. She
doesn't ask for a lot. She specifically asked him, don't
do that today. It's not the day. Can we have
a day where we don't bring this up and he said,
you know what, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, he said no, and she's like, I said it
was not the right tenant to talk to my sister.
And he's like, can we move on?
Speaker 1 (30:28):
And she's like, I would have cranked that soldier boy
by on the forehead.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
He's like, she's like, what do you mean move on?
Do you mean that you don't want to talk about
this anymore? And he's like, yeah, no, I don't want
to talk about it anymore.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
And she's like, she said, you lucky your mama's here
the way I would have.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yeah, And it did happen. So later on the next
day he tells us that they got into a huge fight,
a huge.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Fight until the energy was off.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, And so she she and of calling her sister
to the next day and Sandra says that she's tried
a lot for this relationship to work, and now she
said a loss as to what to do. And he's
decided that he's going to propose to his longtime girlfriend
live on the radio and we don't want to read
it a yeah. He thinks that that's gonna make it
(31:19):
better after he did the thing that she asked not
to do. And it's like not learning the language. I mean,
he hasn't spoken one sentence of Portuguese to her since
she's gotten to the U Kid to even improve anything.
And so he's he decides he's going to do it
on the radio, and so he's like, he's like, oh yeah,
because that's the only place I feel comfortable, Like the
(31:41):
late great MJ said he only feels comfortable on stage,
and I only feel comfortable in front of my podcast.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Mike, I'm like, are you comparing yourself to the great
Michael Joseph Jackson that?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
And how how many like little like metaphors are you
going to add? In this episode? Spotted Dick outside swimming
like the swans, like just continue you hate me, continuously
trying to be clever with his words. And that works
on the telep It works on the radio, I'm sure,
because he actually sounded pretty good and clear when he
(32:14):
was doing his little spots on the radio. And then
he's like, we're talking about bucket lists today, and the
thing that we're going to talk about on bucket list
is I'm going to propose to my girlfriend on up.
It's going to be a surprise to her, and so
he asks her to sit there and put on headphones
and she's like, no, now.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
It was already a sour energy between them too, like
he just wanted to skip over it. I think that's
such a shitty sign for relationships when somebody just wants
to like not address what's clearly an elephant in the room,
like smooth that over before you can move forward, because
that is the fastest way to piss me smooth off, Like, oh,
you don't see me here, you don't see my attitude
(32:55):
and what I'm annoyed at, and you just want to
ask me what I want to eat. Don't piss me off.
I'll take a pizza. But still, we got to get
back to what we are meant to talk about. You
could tell that she was like really nearing her breaking point,
I feel, and towards the tail end of this episode,
I felt really badly for her because we never see
her being emotional. She seems to be a pretty sound person,
really level headed, and she's obviously crying in the confessional.
(33:17):
She's stressed out. She's telling her sister like he wants
me to go to this radio show, I'm gonna go,
which I think her even showing up there shows that
she's still willing to go above and beyond and to
meet him halfway. I thought it was so out of
pocket for him to announce it to the world that
he was going to do this. I was like, you
know what, you deserve to be embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
I would have embarrassed him, just on straight, just because
of that, just I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I would have
been like, hey, audience, I'm sorry. I have to say no,
because yesterday we got into a huge fight and now
he's pretending like it didn't happen and proposed him to me,
and that's weird. And so until your man can talk
to me and have a conversation with me about our
feelings and not just spring things upon me, it's not
(34:00):
going to work out in the marriage.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Night, right, congratulations, Because I just got you hundreds of
more followers. Good night. People are gonna be like, oh shit,
oh shit, oh shit.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, what's he gonna say about it? Follow up episode?
All kinds of stuff. He's got that ring out in
front of her and she's just staring at him, and
she's like, are you sick?
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Are you sick? I think today's not a good day
to ask I like that. She said that on the air.
You just make me want to buck at him.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I hate but it's crazy what people.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Like don't upset me.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
It's crazy what people will do when they help them
try to manipulate and not think that they're manipulating it.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
That's why I'm not a fan of public proposals for
that reason. Like, even even if I walk with you now,
you like, why come on?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's awkward too, unless
we've already talked about it and we were been like
you were going to get married, and like you're just
waiting to do it maybe as a grand thing, but
we've already talked about the fact that you both want
to get married and I want to marry you, and
things have been good for for a very long time. Yeah,
you can't just bring it on on me at any moment,
like unless we've talked about it.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, But I also feel like if you've talked about
it before, you would know if your person does not
like public proposals, like you would also have captured that insight,
and then you'd be like, hmmm, actually, she doesn't want
me to get on one knee at the fifty yard
line in the fucking us bank Viking Stadium. Don't get
the fuck up. My mama's watching like no, yeah, shows up.
(35:34):
Show ass is exactly what would have come out. I
would have been like, if you don't turn off the
record button, it's about to be a movie, you.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Spell, you don't turn off that record, right?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Do you wanna before I sor and throw this gatorade?
Speaker 2 (35:55):
As all right, you guys, that's the episode. Thank you
so much for joining us, Thank you Shae for doing
this with me. Tell tell the people where they can
find you.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
You can find me on TikTok, Sheleen said, and you
can find me on Instagram as sugar shehet come find.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Me, and you can find me on all social medias
as just call me WAW and you can follow the
podcast on all social medias as doc you sweeties. So
you guys, thank you so much for joining us, and
we will talk to you later. Bye bye
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