Episode #157 w/ Q Well

Qwell grew up in Bed-Stuy, Brooklyn — where street smarts met survival. At 22, he began his career in law enforcement, working at MDC Brooklyn and Rikers Island, eventually earning a spot in the high-stakes Emergency Services Unit (ESU). That experience gave him a firsthand look at the violence, corruption, and trauma inside the walls.

Now a police officer in a major metropolitan city, Qwell’s impact is undeniable — earning “Officer of the Month” four times for his proactive, community-driven work. What makes him unique is his dual perspective: someone who’s worked inside the system and now walks the beat with a deeper understanding of both sides of the law.

In this powerful episode, Qwell opens up about his time behind the walls, how being a Black officer comes with its own set of challenges, and why he joined Season 9 of “60 Days In” to expose the truths about jail conditions from the inside.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Himself.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
That'll be.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Hope a South darks A over your mouth, regulous, clear,
that's right?

Speaker 2 (01:29):
What up?

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yo?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Didn't know your boy Pistol Pete walking back to the
dog in the yard? Today we got q Well in
the building from Brooklyn. This episode was totally different. His
brother never been to prison. He became involved in the
law enforcement at the age of twenty two, regardless of
where he came from in regards to his background in Brooklyn,
you know, and he accomplished to become a CEO police

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officer in the Fast MDC Brooklyn. He also volunteered sixty
day polgrin In on TV, which has to do with
brothers that volunteer to do sixty days in jail to
see how they manage. With all that being said, let's
get right to it. Man. You already know your boy
pistol pee dog in the yall. What you already know

(02:17):
with your boy Pistol Pete walking back to the dog in
the yard? Is it there? We got called in the
building from Brooklyn. You know what I'm saying this, Uh,
this episode is definitely different. You know what I'm saying.
Hopefully it inspired and motivate all the youth out there
the young brothers out there that live that come from
our environment, our neighborhoods, and and it's had to do

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the right thing and not go to jail, you know
what I'm saying. And with that being said, Man, thanks
having you my brother.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yes, sir, bro I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. Nice
having you man now, is its been a long time coming.
A lot of people like, yo, you gotta do an
interview with Pete. Gotta do it to be with pe. Yeah. Thanks,
so yeah, I feel like, you know, it's probably definitely
a legendary one.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, no question. I'm happy that I have it. You know,
have to have you, you gotta, you gotta uh you know,
is your story is different than what I usually you know,
come up here. I usually come up here, you know,
and guys that you know that my guess, they come
up here. They you know, done time in jail. You know,
a lot of time in jail, been through all kind

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of other ship and this this this episode is totally different,
you know what I'm saying. We talked about a young
man that came from all that, you know what I'm saying,
because you know, he's from Brooklyn, where I'm from. The
best start in Brooklyn where you know it's not you know,
there's no luxury ship over there, so you know, the
slums in the hood and all that. And he was

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able to, you know, manister, to not go to jail. Well,
he got into little little jail, little little early stages.
You go three days in the bucket, then you go, hey,
you go he did three days in the bucket at
what age.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
Shoot, I think it was like right after my twenty
first birthday when it got rid, like oh nah, this is.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Really yeah, you see so so and and they just
get right into it. Man, tell us a little bit
about yourself. You know, your upbringing, you know your background,
you know, and when that moment came that you got
in trouble, and a little bit about your background as
regardless to your parents. You was raised more parents, you know,
siblings and.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
Yeah, so so my background it's a little interesting, Like
I know a lot of people coming here with you know,
they little stories and stuff, but my story is a
little different. I grew up in Brooklyn, bad style. I
grew up with my moms and pops. Moms and pops
well known in the streets. Everybody know them around the style.
You know, everybody knew my pops, Everybody know my moms,
everybody know my uncles. You know, my uncles used to

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throw like one of the biggest block parties in the style.
You know, everybody used to come in front of grandma
house rapping. You know. So I grew up, you know,
in that you know area, you know, just in with
my mom's pops, uncles, a village. I had a village.
I ain't gonna lie. I had that village of people
that took care of me.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
I always was dressed nice, you know, kept family, kept
me in check. And then you know, after that, you know,
you go to school, you know, you live, live your life.
You come outside, go play with your friends, fighting from
the grandma's house, the regular stuff. Everybody else go through
nothing too much. The only thing about me is that.

(05:24):
So I'm just you know, talking some stuff.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah. So, so you you had your moms and your dad.
How many siblings you have?

Speaker 4 (05:34):
I got one, a little brother named Booka. That's that's
my heart.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Like you should, that's your brother. It's a sibiler. So
up being raised in the star, I mean, how complicated
you know, was it was? It you know me at
an early age, what you did? You knew what you
wanted to become? You know what what was what? What
was the motivation that kept you from I mean you went,

(06:01):
you did, got in trouble, you did, like you said,
you mentioned, you stayed. You went through the bullpens for
three days. Back in the days, that's the way it
used to be. You you go to the boots for
a couple of days until you should judge right, So
what was it? So tell us about that that experience
and what was it you know at that point? What

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what what trigger that that told yourself this is not
what you want? You know, this is not you know,
like what happened?

Speaker 4 (06:31):
Shoot, when when that situation happened, it was just like
going through the bookings and you sitting next to bombes
and everybody crammed up in that area like that. And
when I went through that situation, I was like, oh, nah,
I'm good. You know what I'm saying, Like that was
a reallyality checked. Some people would be like, no, I
could do this again. Nah. For me, I like to
be fly, I like to be clean. I don't want
nobody thirty next to me. That just my lifestyle. You

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know what I'm saying. I was a clean cut dude,
you know what I'm saying. But if I had to
get busy, I'd get busy, you know, because I was raised.
Don't be no sucker, right, That's how That's how it was.
You know my uncle I told you about. You know,
my uncle Eddie. You know, he he was you know,
he's a jail guy. You know. It was him. He
the one told me how to put the razor blade
in my mouth. If y'all need to hide it, yeah,
go outside shopping the tooth brush if you you know,

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if you ever go to jail, that's what you do.
You go outside, get your tooth brush, bing it out,
you know, and you're hear new business if you have to.
You know, people come to grandma house, want to fight.
He the one yo go back outside and fight.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
You know.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
That was That was That's just how I was raised.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
You know.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
But I I saw my uncles and my pops. They
always had nice cars. They always was, you know, fly.
So I want to be like my pops and my uncles,
you know, and that you know, everybody that they hung
out with, it always was nice and fly. So I
want to be like that. Group, you know, and everybody
I knew. They work every day. My pops work every day.

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I see him work. You know. That was just this.
They got up every morning, went to work.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
So that was that. That that also it also helps
to see your dad. You know, you're with your mom's
your dad ain't working, you know what I mean, Like
you're not coming back from a back fuck the background
where nobody's really doing anything, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
I gotta I got a chance to see it all,
you know, because like I said, my uncle was kind
of like a little bit of.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
What was the reason you went to uh in the
bullprincsil three days.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
I had a fight. I had a fight with a dude.
You know, he mixed up the story said I did
something extra, you know what I'm saying. And it wasn't that,
you know, it was you know, you know how I go,
They charge you with whatever the person say it is,
and you know, of course if they don't come to court,
you still get stuck with it, you know what I'm saying.
So it was just a just one of those type

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type of situations and you know and just be like yo,
it was dumb too, you know what I'm saying, on
my behalf, it was and that's a really ility check.
You gotta grow up and know when you do something dumb.
And it was an l and I don't say it
was a it was just a lesson for me, you
know what I'm saying, learn a lesson for me. Like
and that's when I just decided, like, yo, I'm putting
all that extra street stuff tough got ship ain't mm hmmm.

(09:01):
I don't want I don't want to do it because
I just almost threw my life away from nothing, right.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
At what age?

Speaker 3 (09:07):
This?

Speaker 2 (09:08):
This? This? This? You decided that one.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Twenty one years old? And you know I got checked
by my uncles. You know when that situation happened, Your nephew,
Straighten up, your nephew. You know. You know what this
come with. You know what I'm saying. And when I
did it, it was on something, yo. You know what
this come with. If you want to do it, that's
what it is. Because I was all sad like nah.
If you if you want to be missed big and bad,

(09:32):
this is what it is. You know what I'm saying.
If you missed the big and bad, this is what
it come with. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
The repercussions.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
There's the repercussions. So now you got to deal with it.
Get your lawyer money, get your money up. Now that's
where it come in and play grown in business. You
want to be out here. It's grown in business, be
cause everybody ain't got no lawyer money, got no belt money. Well,
you want to be in the streets, you gotta have money.
That's the streets to come with money. If you ain't
got no money, don't come in crying.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
That's right. So so at that at that point, going
through the bullpenp for three days, you said, you know what,
I'm not. This ain't for me. And obviously he came
home and what you decided to do, like what was
next after that?

Speaker 4 (10:14):
I was working, So I was when I did, you know,
get arrested or whatever I was. I was working for
the boarder ad. I was a janitor, eighteen, fresh out
of high school. Always had a job. I always kept
a job McDonald's six as sin as I turned sixteen
because I saw that in my family. Work, work, you're
gonna get what you need.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
To get, get you able to buy your own ship. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, by your own stuff, working
hard for your stuff, like it should be.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
Like my pops every two years from when I was
a baby, My pops every two years got a new car.
You know what I'm saying. He ain't never had nothing
more than five years. Yeah, you know, so I saw
that my uncle you work mt A. Yeah, you know
what I'm saying. He got everything. His trip could have
been Brooklyn worth about three million dollars right now.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Here.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Good punching, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (11:02):
All that, Yeah, and that we just get tricked. We
get we all get tricked. I got tricked because like
I was at thirteen, when you when you're becoming that
you know thing, you becoming that man, you get tricked
into a lifestyle of fast money. You know, everybody get
caught up in it. That fast money lifestyle is a
trick because it's fast as the money is coming there
as fast as it could.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Stop as fast. You can go to jail too, go to.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
Jail right right, and every and every and it's savages
out here, you know what I mean. So you you
got to know what you want to do when when
you get into the money too. I agree with you,
and that's how everybody start to elevate to different things
and get really caught up in the streets. You know
what I'm saying, some people, you don't get money, be quiet, chilled.
Now I don't work like that.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
It's right. So now you're twenty one years old and
you decided, let me get myself together, let me let
me And that's when he decided to become a correction officer.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
Yeah, I took the test. You know you take all
the tests you take FDN and why you take sit
you know you just wound up taking all your school safety.
You know you just now you just I'm just like,
now I want to get a city job, like because
that's why you lock in that. And when I used
to be outside when I was young, you always hear
certain dudes that you know, older dudes. I always hung
up with older dudes. So some a lot of them
be like, yo, if I could start all over, I would.

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If I could go and take a city test, I would.
So I'm hearing everybody say this, I'm like, man, maybe
I should just do it. If they telling me that
this lifestyle like worth it, And I'm seeing them with
money and cars and hanging out.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
With picking up on it smart. Yeah, you're like what
you got this old head telling me if he had
an opportunity, he would go that way. M I mean,
that's that's it right there.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
Because real real, I mean a lot of if you're
a real one, and you know, he's gonna come with
a lot of sleepless nights when you're in that street
life and you gotta worry about you gotta worry about
the cops, you gotta worry about the snakes in the grass.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
You gotta worry about everything.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
Everything, and that's stressful. And that's why when I got nabbed,
when the older dudes used to tell me, like yo, bro,
telling you just get a job to work or just
go to work. You good, like your head is on
your shoulders. You're not nothing. These dirty dudes like that.
When people used to look at me. You know, people
knew my pops in the streets too, so when I
was outside doing things like oh, bro, be like your pops, man,

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I'm telling you, and everybody respected my pops. And I
never really knew why, but everybody loved my pops, you
know what I'm saying, loved him to death. Like I
couldn't go nowhere and there's nobody be like, Oh, your pops.
You know what I'm saying, he knew everybody.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
And that's a good feeling because you're pop representing good ship.
He works, you know what I'm saying. But gut himself,
you know. Yeah, even if he did got his sef
in trouble back in the days and all that, he
still was a good a good uh role model for
you in regards to working and letting you know that
that's the only way to do it is by working, working,
not by going out there stealing and robbing or selling

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drugs and ship. That's gonna take you away from your
loved ones and your family, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
And that's that's the thing. My pops are just like that.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
He ain't cared, so blessing man. That's good. That's that
That was That was real cool that you you had
that support. You know what I'm saying. You had to
do and when you decided you become to become a
corresional over at twenty one, that you took the.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
Yeah, I just started taking the tests and just like hey,
I want you know, I started correstional some police thing
and I wound up working in the FES first. They
actually got back to me first. That's the first place
I was like twenty two when I first started out
doing like law enforcement and stuff like that. I went
to go be a CEO in the FEDES at MDC.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Okay, yeah, so and.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
You know what the stuff I got into, you know,
because you know, when you're outside the streets, cops, you know,
take your name down. So the lady, you know, she
was black, and she she was like, I'm gonna give
you a chance. She's like, ma'ma vouch for you. It
seemed like you because if you if you know me, like,
I got a good background. I used to be in
a Brooklyn step As marching band as well too. What
is that it used to marching band? Like music because

(14:51):
I'm a big music I like music, like that's my thing.
I'm into music, like that's why you know you see
me like a few rap videos back in the day.
I was big on music and stuff like that. So
I was in Brooklyn mar Brooklyn Steppers marching band. This
guy named Tyrone Brown right, and he used to take
like you know, trouble kids from the hood. Put him
in the marching band and there used to be dudes
with inkle bracelets. As marching in the marching bands was

(15:12):
going city to city traveling. I was on the Brooklyn
Nets and Nick's drum line. Okay, yeah, you know, so
I'm getting free tickets. I'm traveling. I mean jay Z,
I mean Vince Card like I. So that's how I
grew up. So you know, as far the bad stuff
that they look at, you know, when I'm applying for
these jobs, I got a lot of good stuff that's
behind me too.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
You know what I'm saying. They looked at that. She
looked at that, so they gave it. They gave it.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
She gave me a chance. And when I got that chance,
I said, I'm not fucking stuff for nobody, like because
people got an image of you. You know, you look
like this. You got an image already like he looked
like that. He's gonna do something. So I'm not gonna
mess this up. And I'm gonna do it. And I'm
gonna do it, and I'm gonna show other black brothers
or you know, other from the community. Just look, it's
on the five. Look at me. It's okay to work it.

(15:58):
I still got it.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
So your first job, I was m c C, m
d C. Ye for those that don't know, that's the
feederal attention.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
The MDC, the one you was in Brooklyn, MC m DC.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Okay, the one of MDC they got too of the
one of the m d C, the one they got
one of mad So you worked in Brooklyn, worked in Brooklyn,
and you from Brooklyn and I'm from Brooklyn. Did you
when you first got the job that you see people
as you know, that.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
Was off the back soon as you walked through the door.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
The thing is you're looking at dudes that watched you
grow up in the hood. You know what I'm saying.
They watched you grow up, Yo, dude, like Yo, ain't
you ain't you such and such? Son? Ain't you such
as such? Nephew?

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Like yeah?

Speaker 4 (16:38):
Or work and then from then because at first time,
I wasn't sure if I want to do law enforce
because you're like, damn, my family, my friends, what I
gonna through Like anybody, gonnass.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
You have a little you have that little pit, little pressure.
You know how they gonna look at you, think of
you and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
So you know, but when I walked in there, they
was like, yo, I'm proud of you. It's like, oh, shoot, nephew, Yo,
that's what's up. Yo, dap me up, you know, like
it's like, yo, that's what's up. Like I'm proud of you, Like,
don't mess this stuff. And I saw one of my
pops friends in there and he just was like, Yo,
let me tell you something. They're gonna see that you
from around the way. They're gonna they're gonna see how
you move. They're gonna know. Don't do nothing for nobody

(17:14):
in here. Yeah, don't do it, he said. You know
how the street stuff go, Like that's worse.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
It's worse when you even do it for somebody that's
already in jail. You're gonna be find yourself in there
with them.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
It's just dumb.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
It just don't make no sense that you be sucking
up everything you work for and respectfully, you can't do it.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
You can't do it. And then the facts you sitting
around people you know got money. You know they good
for it. You know what I'm saying. You know you
know they're good for it. So you just had to
sit there and you know that was the first thing,
like he told like, don't do nothing for nobody.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
How long? So how long you see your at like
the year okay and that in that year, Uh, what
was the things that you that you you could think
of that you can remember, you know what I'm saying,
that you love like whether you know something like whether
it's horrible or something you was like damn, you know
the fast is like anything you could think of.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
Shoot, I can't even The fast was chill. The fast
was real chill. They actually, the Mason effects told me
how to be a CEO, like you know, because they
knew me. So they look like, yo, look this is
what you do. Don't do nothing for nobody in here.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
They're putting you up on games.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
They put it that I got mentor about it because
you know you go to little Academy is like do
it by the book, yeah it Mason, just like listen.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
You put your don't put your job in jeopardy. Put
just because they knew you from the hood or they
and they know your power, your parents, your pops or son,
and they're like, man, you know, just stay focused at
stay grounded like and that's real because you know a
lot of you a lot of real good brothers in jail.
You know what I'm saying, Just bad choices.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
Listen, I tell you I learned more from dudes in
jail than than probably learned in school, because these dudes
are talented, and I'm like, you just don't use this
to like you can start business focused. That's how my
uncle was too. He was the black sheep, like he
let's watched him my whole grandma's basement, I mean kitchen redo,
it remodeled the whole thing, and but you know, wasted

(19:12):
his life, you know what I'm saying. But that was
my favorite. Like that was my between my uncle Buggsy
and my uncle Eddie. Those are my two uncles that
really you know, checked me and kept me like I
don't do the wrong thing. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, kept fust.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
Want to listen to Yeah, you know, you're nobody listened
to their parent parents. Of course your parents and your parents,
But when my uncles talked to me, it was just
more like yo, nephew, Yo, look I feel you. I
know Pops might be tripping, but he trying and just
tell you, like you don't want to really do this life.
You know, he didn't risks everything for you to mess up.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
I'm saying, So you was on MDC for a year. Uh,
they have the woman's there too. Oh yeah, I was.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
That's the only I work with women in the rockets,
but there I did. And man, yeah, I mean you
get tricked up. You know what I'm saying. It's easy
to get tricked up if you're not a strong minded
person and know how to deal with people trying to
manipulate you. Because you know, like you always say about
female CEOs getting caught up with dudes, it's the same

(20:19):
thing with the with the females too.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
The females get cald with.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
The Yeah, you know, because they could trick you too,
because they yeah, because you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
They look they're looking for a way out.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
Yeah they so. So if you don't got your your
mind right.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Like that's always always tell everybody the fast is the
difference between the state and the fast is like a
mental mental lock up. Mentally, it's all mental and the
state is more physical, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
And everybody trying to get home. Yeah, and everybody trying
to get home because the bushes.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
No case, everybody, everybody get serious numbers. You know what
I'm saying. And you already know it's not it's no joke.
Once you in the fest were talking about God lives
and all kind of other ship.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
You know, like the female you know, there ain't no
more females because the plug this is wife this is
showed you that. So they used to get in shower
with the shirts and what the shirts and come out
you got like yo, shure, yo, come on, what you're
doing you know, because they trying to trick you into
of course, you know you're doing your.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Your man, so you know, they try to try to
push you to see if you could go.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
If you go, so if you do that, you know
it ain't really getting nothing outside of like you know,
used to getting girls that right there, gonn trick you,
especially when you when you see a girl from that's
from around the way you know her and you're like,
oh that she trying to talk to me. Now me,
I'm like, sure, you ain't pay me, don't mind, don't
pay me, don't mind now, So yeah, I'm paying you

(21:44):
no mine. So you just gotta you gotta be strong
minded even while you're in there, becau, you're gonna run
into dudes. That's just like yo, look bring me if
you bring me a pack of cigarettes is eight hundred
dollars for a cart and is only seventy dollars. You're
talking about eight hundred a pack. So if you if
you get tricked and you ain't comfort you ain't got

(22:04):
no money, ain't like me. I knew how to like,
I'm not doing I'm.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Not you was just not going to jeopardize.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
Your job because first of all, don't know these dudes.
That's one. And then the dudes that knew me from
around the way, they never asked me. So some random
dude that I don't know, like, I don't know you crazy,
you know, and sometimes like dudes like oh I find
your family. Hey, bro, you find my family. I give
you the address. I give you the address. Ain't gonna

(22:33):
play that game.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
So it's not too easy to write down the block
about it.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
And then it was crazy because I was got into
a situation and the dude that from around the way
you watch me grow up, you know, I'm a little man,
little dude from the hood. Yeah, he boy, like, yo,
what you want me to do with some of you crazy?
I'm like yeah, He's like all right, bad got you
Like no, no, no, don't jeopardize yourself for me. It's cool.
Like I got it. You know, I don't need you.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
That's another thing. That's that's well, hold on, let me
check them with all that for you. You know what
I mean, you're from the hood and all that, Like
you know what I mean, trying you like that?

Speaker 4 (23:08):
Yeah, so he like now you like you know, because
if it was in the hood, he would have looked
out for me.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
So that year NBC was it was cool.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Yeah, it was cool.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
It was so why what were you trying for? Like
what made you?

Speaker 4 (23:22):
The island had more opportunities, Like you know, they got
u s U like the records down is like his
own little island for real, Like you know, they got
a fire department saying, it's just a lot more opportunities
to grow. And you know it's good money over there too,
Like you know, I spend the old money. I'm still
spending see old money, you know what I'm saying. So,
like there's a lot of money to make you I

(23:42):
was just putting the overtime and work for it, you
know what I'm saying. You make a lot of money.
You go to some of these captains and them higher
ups and people with five plus years on the job
go to the house.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
So how was that transition from from the Fast to
working in the state, you know, which is totally different, Like,
you know, even going over the bridge, like you like what.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
I was good? I was like, all right, because you
know you do the academy a little six ones, you know.
I'm like, I see you on the Fast. I could
do this. It's a thing. Alright, cool, go over the bridge.
I'm like, all right, cool, it's every chelse should be
the same. It should be not different. Man, first day
you get go to the crib, these dudes is just
like monkeys, like they just everywhere, like they just in

(24:29):
your head. They bothering you from like you shoes, I'm
gonna take your shoes, like yo, bro back.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Up with me, like you know, a whole different vibe.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
We're talking about the adolescents because I was, yeah, I'm like,
first of all, you sixty like like talking to stop
playing me. So I was getting a lot of stuff
because you know when you when you were were you
like in law enforce and you gotta be like perfect.
Can't be somebody say S and D you knock them out, yeah,

(24:57):
because then it's oh my god, you know the world's
in the friend. But if you're street dude, You're not
somebody else, or it's like all right, cool, you know, yeah,
you should have been talking like that. So this is
where the part where it's like it's hard to do
the right thing. It's hard because it's like getting tricked
into doing what we consider gangster will make me lose everything.

(25:18):
I'm gonna lose my job for somebody that don't eat,
that ain't even like not to disrespect, but somebody ain't
even finished high school, you know what I'm saying. So
now you you know, I had to get pulled, pulled
to the side a couple of times, shout out to
like big white you know, big White DC standing in them,
and they pull me to the side. Yo, you can't

(25:40):
act like that. They're gonna trick you. They want free money.
And when they see you like that and they see
you got that energy, they gonna get you every time.
So you gotta chill. Gotta chill. And when I worked
the ractors and my man, you know, I saw people
from the hood again and they be like, yo, bro,
they want that energy from me. He's like, because I'm
the type I look for the CEO that that want

(26:01):
to be mister the tough guy or high headed, and yeah,
I'm gonna get the bag over him. I'm gonna wait
for him to do something, trick him into doing something stupid.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
So I had to learn him because you know, anything
you do to it may just just by putting your
hands on just because on person, you get law suitsan
you get fired, those kind of shitcusions.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
Yeah, you getting more trouble than them. I'm like, yo,
they get to cut each other, do whatever, and nobody.
They don't get nothing, no punishment, no nothing. That's crazy.
I was like, so, but me, I'm just defending myself.
It's like, you know, like one time, you know, I
had a situation, dude, you try to palm the top
of my head like you like my little man. Mind.
You were talking about somebody I think he was like probably

(26:40):
like eighteen nineteen. So him in the credit, they're like,
yeah you hit now. So I'm standing at the door.
He tried to palm it like he like he's my
little man.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Try to.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
I lost it like drop like I lost it, dropped him.
They jumped me whatever, but I I'm more trouble than
he did.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Wow, So they jumped you. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
I mean luckily I had my man's you know a
few of my's, a few other CEOs with me. But yeah,
they yeah, we was all in there getting it on
wow and being that. You know. Unfortunately for him, he
had noodle legs. You know what I'm saying. You can't
hold it, so he dropped. I handle business. You know
what I'm saying that That's just how it was.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
You know, at that point you lost it.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
I had to, like you know, he would he puts.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
His hands on you, so you know, it's like almost
like he assaulted you real cause he put his hands
on you.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
But they don't see it like that. Like me, I'm
from the hood. So somebody paw on the top of
your head, like whoa, that's an automatic.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
No.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
No, you know what I'm saying. Now you get the
civilians and people that they're like, oh yeah he did
was touch you? No he like no, he just told
me I'm his little man's and he put it. He
try to palm the top of my head. That don't
work like that, you know what I'm saying. This dude
like six something like oh, he was a big, big
like nineteen years.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
After that he was after that, he was gonna have
you bring sandwiches in.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying like that, And the
crazy thing is that CEOs and inmates all got to
go through the same thing of don't let nobody try you. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, don't let nobody try you.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Well, you lucky that you had you know, some thorough
brad thorough brad. Let's just say that correctional officers that
was dead to to pull you by the who you
do commit?

Speaker 4 (28:29):
Yeah, so but talk but you know, but most of
the time, most of my time on the island, know,
it was a lot of mentoring, a lot of mentoring.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
You know.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
I so the kids that you know that spent the
night in my mom's crib. That's in my mom's crib,
you know what I'm saying, Kids that rode in my car.
Kids my little brother used to play football with.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah you know. Yeah, you see all the all the
young brothers for the neighborhood because that's where they come from.
How long he was allowed for?

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Five years?

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Oh wow?

Speaker 4 (28:56):
Five years?

Speaker 2 (28:56):
So what what what building? You worked there? Seventy four
the whole five years.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
No, I was SU too, that was the Mergency Service Union,
you know.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Okay, yeah, I was I was.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
You know those guys that you know come through, you know,
ready to go. Oh yeah, you know, I mean everybody
want you know ESU is just you know that that's
the squad you want.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
That's the squad un that's the ones that going there
when it's like a riot. So you know everybody that's private,
that's that's separate from being like regularly.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
It's just a different unit. You know.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
It's like you trained different for you trained different.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
You like it's like you walking there, you straight handling
business like I'm not talking when you're on that. When
you're on that, there's no talking.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
There's no talking, no talking.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
You do what I say. And if you do what
I say, we could have a good day. If you
don't do what I say, we're having a bad day.
And that's it. I mean that that's your reinforcements for
when Jel is crazy, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
And yeah, of course like something going on, even they
try to take over or.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
So we already that means that they exhausted all they
means now it's time for us to step in, and
we step in. We not talking.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Wow, So you did that most of the time as well.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
Most of the time because it was during COVID. Yeah,
you're doing twenty hour days.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
No sleep, Yeah, no sleep, and you're.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
Dealing with and the problem was is that you were
during that COVID time, You're dealing with dudescause they don't
want to lock in, they don't want to follow the
COVID rules. You know what I'm saying. You're dealing with
this dumb stuff. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Then you have very challenge, very challenging for you going
from yeah, going from from the fasts, well, you know,
the majority of you or most of the guys in there,
you know, meaning like you know, the inmates, you know,
young brothers, locked uble, the guys locked up their respect,

(30:45):
they come to you respectfully and all already talk to
you differently.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Yeah, I mean it was cool because I knew what
it was like. Being the c was like chilling on
the block. Now, like it was just like being on
the block. Fight gonna happen out of nowhere, you know,
but it's just.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Oh yeah in the island. Yeah. But yeah, so what
I'm saying, so it was way different than when you
was in. Yeah, you was able to just be more
relaxed Once you got to the island, you was at
work every day.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Because the the fest. So everything in there you knew
what it was. You got your poker, you know, you
got your gambling house over here.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
You have everything.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
When you get to rack As Island, you got the bloods.
Then you got the sets. That's living together.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Then the top said.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
The jets ain't no good. We can't live with the apes,
Like yo, hold on, why we are fighting that? It
was just good yesterday. But you're realizing that all this
is politics politics.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
It's a jail ship. All ignorant ship.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
Ignorant you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
It's a lot of ignorant politics, jail ship, you know
what I'm saying. So you was saying five years is
a little So what made you you quit?

Speaker 4 (31:47):
I ain't quit. I always just wanted to grow, Like
I always just wanted to, like just see how deep
I could go with law.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Enforce man and you want to just experience it.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
Yeah, just because I just want to see how, like, hey,
why they did this, so why this was done this way?
You know, just want to show.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Then you did the five years and decided you want to.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Quick Yeah, I mean, you know, because it was just
a lot. Everybody tried to get out of there. Yeah, everybody.
And and then I didn't want to leave. But you know,
I would talk to like a lot of the people
that been there for years, like you know, they they're like,
get out of here. I'm telling you. I'm like na,
but you know I like working. They're like nah. And
then I don't know if it was God or what.

(32:26):
There was a dude come in the locker room.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
He liked me.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
I should have took opportunities and I had him. I
don't know why I stayed here, you know, because you
you you like it's like you in jail too, for real,
Like you do it.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
You can't spend a lot of time. You spent a
lot of hours and every day it's like what job
the time is you locked up too?

Speaker 4 (32:43):
Yeahs it would be an easy job if the inmates
were just chill, but you dealing with dudes that's just
nagging all day.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
It was different than than what you came from.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
There's a lot of naggings, a lot of they try
you all the time and trying you.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
You can't sell those don't work, you know. So now
when you are SEEO on the island. You can't SEO
the way they want you to see. You gotta see
the way you gotta SEEO. Like I bet y'all want
to do this. This is how this's gonna run. Y'all
lealate today. We're not doing this like you ain't no
extra chicken today, like you know, like you had to
you had to put on the boots, like all right,
now I gotta now I gotta act.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah, everything is, everything is challenging.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
Yeah, you know you gotta act. You gotta be gotta
be the street dude. Now you gotta be here. You
gotta match their energy because they don't understand that certain
stop now you gotta you have to match energy. You
gotta match it because that's the only thing I understand.
Because if you talk to them, come on, chill, you
know the way they people think they need to know
you gotta really, yo, son, I'm not playing with you.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
So you left, you left there and you got into
a program.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
Uh uh So I did that. I was a police
officer for a little minute.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Oh no, talk to me about that. So you came.
So you left, you left correction and became a police officer.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
Yeah, Hello, what three years? Okay, uh yeah, nah, I
cant you know what I'm saying. Yeah, but I did
that for a little minute, you know really yeah, so yeah,
I mean how was that? It was good? I mean
I understood a lot. You understand what the hood need

(34:17):
to understand, like the stuff like when I used to
think I was getting just picked on and stuff like that,
Like you realize like, nah, that's that's that's not what
was happening. If you live in an environment where it's
gun violence, the cops going through because you got people complaining,
oh we got gun violence in the neighborhood, what the
cops job is to.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
I mean, everybody got this job.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
Everybody got that, but the hood. I realized, the hood
is always going to go against that. Yeah, because they
don't understand what to it. Yeah, you don't understand it, right.
It's like the dudes like when you when you know,
when we're young, we're hanging out in the project staircase,
but you ain't realizing that people taking a taking a
complaint to the precinct saying I got these dudes hanging

(34:59):
out on the staircase every day. In a way I
can't get up the stairs. The elevator and guess what
when the cops come through there, it's like, oh, why
y'all bothering them? It's like nah, people bringing complaints to
the you know. So once you learn your job, Yeah,
and I realized that us, you know, us in the community,
we just don't know how to be like deal with
the police. That was that was That was just something

(35:19):
that I learned.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
So you did did three years as as a New
York City police.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
Yeah not New York City but.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Okay, and them so and then you quit.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
Yeah, I ain't quit. I just you know, I wanted
to start my own little security bits. Did the TV
show I did the TV show talking about that. Yeah,
I did the TV show sixty That's what happened. Yeah,
you got how you managed to get involved with that?
Like I mean, shoot, you're a se rackets allan. You know,
everybody's like yo, you know, if your inmate or CEO.
Everybody just want to know that experience, like what it's like,

(35:54):
you know, everybody want to get that. Uh. Rackets Island
different than you know, like my story different. The way
I moved, the way I operate, the way I think
it's different. I'm not just oh yeah, everybody's wrong. Now
I know what the streets is. I respect what people
doing the streets and understand some people's situations and it
is what it is. And then I come over and

(36:15):
transform to this side where I see, like, nah, bro's
it's all of us. We all in trouble. You know
what I'm saying. We all are problem. You feel me.
So when you join the other side, Because like when
I used to watch the Coleete braut a documentary. When
I watched it as a civilian, you know, I thought
the CEOs was the worst people in the world, you know,
watching the documentary, But then when I watched it again

(36:37):
as a CEO, It's like, oh nah, and it ain't
go like that.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
You understand it.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
So then, like I said, I got into the TV show,
people reached out and like, all right, let's see how
you doing in jail. I want to see how you
operate and.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Show you guys, so you participated and.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
The participated because I just want to show people like
it's jealous. Yes, sixty days in sixty days in yep
sas in Utah. So you was in a jail in
Utah and Utah yep Utah County. So I went to
Utah County and hot No, it was it was it

(37:16):
was that jail was the most clear. I think it was.
I think that jail was the perfect jail. I think
every jail should reflect though. For that, I think the
way because they had every program. The set up was
good set up. I didn't feel like unsafe or nothing.
Maybe one time, and I think if you watch the show,
I told the sheriff about his gates, like, you can't

(37:38):
have handles on the inside of these gates. You know,
come from Rackets Island and knowing how to move and
stuff like that. Yo, you can't have handles because all
I gotta do is talk my shirt up on this
and me and my boys could get busy and handle somebody,
you know what I'm saying. So you know, but he
had a program where he had so if you watch
the show, you see I was in I was in
the units for probably you know, a couple of days,

(37:59):
a couple of weeks, was in there. Then I moved
to this thing called the Job Industry program where you
work like they take people from the It's like a
work release program. So they take people and put them
out their inmates, but they go out into society and
work like construction.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, they they got them and uh and the having
them in a like in like out there in the
field like always.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Nah, they working like like construction. Like some of them
working like they got they working in like the the
the adoption center for the pets and all that. Like
they actually working like like red regular clothes, go out work,
irregular food and come back. So I worked the you know,
I was like, nah, this is perfect. But the problem

(38:52):
is and was happening times at the time. The camp
you've been in Records Island like recently, you see all
the programs they got. Yeah, you know, so this is
another thing people don't you're not taking advantage of it.
You know they want to do They're doing it for
the wrong purpose because you know, I'm in there. You know,
I'm listening to what they're saying. They doing it so
they could.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
A lot of use respect the programs that go that
that that walk up in there. Yeah, they even changed
some downty toy be like no, we don't want that,
get up out of here. Yeah, these guys be crazy
with it. So uh, you know, like ship, I'm blessed
they like they love dogg in the yard going there
and I'm going this Thursday.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
But because you know why, because it's like dudes like you.
It's like they're gonna respect it more because you know
where you But then dudes, that's the working dude. You know,
like you had teachers right, like you know your teachers,
Like you know what I'm saying. But every everything is
changing a little bit now, you know, like teachers is
a little bit more in style.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
You know more here.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Yeah, you know, even the police correction you know you're talking,
they ain't trying to hear you because they think you
you know, you were goodie too shoots Like nah, bro,
I'm telling you before you really get wrapped up and
then change it like up and changing because they want
to trick you to not getting these good benefits. They
want to trick you not to get a house. They
want to trick you, like come on, I just bought
a four story house. Yeah, working nine to five, you

(40:11):
know what I mean, a little extra everything is you know,
you always could work and get a little extra, start
your business, use your use your job to benefit your business.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Absolutely, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
And a lot of CEOs that's what they do. A
lot of them got security, you know, design clothes, you know,
cook whatever. They got on DJ always. But that's how
my family was. My uncle's work MTA. He was a DJ.
You know, he hung out DJ rail Alert. He was
running around going on to it. So everybody had You
always gotta have that second incoming. That's okay, and that's

(40:39):
what you get, right man. Yeah, it's the same thing
that's working on the block when you got to do overtime. Man,
And when you're a CEO for real, you don't even
need a second job because you work so much over time,
you're making enough money.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
So sixty days in, how was that? Man? I was
your first day in?

Speaker 4 (40:55):
My first day was cool? I mean, like I said,
nobody like I was ready for it. I'm like, all right, man,
I'm gonna get pressed down.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
You was pressed you was you was? You was?

Speaker 4 (41:02):
You was? Yeah, I'm like I got this, like now
you know, now I get to do everything. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
of course.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
You know it's TV. You need TV, that's the national TV.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Yeah. So he was in jail for real.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
I was in jail for real. The the cameras is
there not, you know, it's not set up to where
like people could notice it, but the cameras is there.
So you in jail and that's it. Like you you
in there, they we all know if not gonna happen
to you, it's gonna have it quick. And you could
do what.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Were you in jail with? Just the people that they
picked to do show you was in jail with.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
Regular, regular regular people, regular regular people. Felt like I
was in Central booking all over again. Crack.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
What people were there?

Speaker 4 (41:47):
Asked you what you Yeah? They actually they're like, yo,
what you where you're from? You know, I'm from you
what you doing?

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Like what you got you here for them?

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Yeah? You know that's everybody think. And then the energy
was different than you know, like I'm from from Brooklyn.
You know, our energy, you know, New York energy is
just always different. So as soon as you walk in there,
like what you're doing out here? You know, you know,
I had a good I had a good little story,
you know, so it was believable a little bit, you
know what I mean. So, but nobody but they ain't
checked Yeah yeah, you know ja yeah, you know, but

(42:16):
they wasn't doing no New York Times like you know,
walking Racers Island and from what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Here, like nah, who you know they wasn't.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
Nah because that it didn't happen. I was prepared for
it though.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
For Utah.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
Yeah, Utah.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
You talk county jail, County jail, and you did sixty days,
did you see any fights anything or anything crazy?

Speaker 4 (42:39):
These dudes was just chill, like everything was respectable for
the police, Like like everything these dudes wasn't. They wasn't
like nobody else. You know, you go, they're like noth
fun that I ain't locking in And if you watch
if you watch the show, it's a dude named Fabian
on it.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
You know.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
He came in there with that energy like I'm gonna
do whatever I want that. Yeah, I'm gonna show you
how to make a bag. You know. I like, YO,
better chill. Like I try to tell him, like yo, chill,
like this ain't the place for that, Like they like
this is right, They're gonna like these the Seals had
on cowboy boots and cowboy hats, like yeah, exactly, you
know what I'm saying. I'm like, yo, like yo, don't

(43:19):
do that head.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Like chill man, you get lost the sister.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Yeah you know so. But he came in the with
that energy and they broke him down. Any s could
break you down for real, Like I'm but that's any job.
Like anywhere you go, anybody that got control over you,
they could break you down. We already locked in twenty
hours a day I was there.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Ship being in Utah is even more.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
You know, you're in a pro police state, you know
what I'm saying. Ain't no activists coming to stave you,
none of that. This is where they if you could
quit crime, they're not gonna play with you.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
So the seals and everything, they know that you was different.
You know he's successfully did and what you're doing now.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
Right now, you know, armed security business, you know, definitely
probably about to get back into law enforcement a game
you know, okay, skilled because you know my mom said,
and my training and feel like I could impact a
lot of people and things like that. So and that's
the goal, you know, try to impact people and change
the narrative a little bit.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
So do you have to take the test of Yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
Yeah, you know, you gotta go through the process and
everything like that.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
You know, but you know you you're young, you could
do it.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
Yeah, of course, I like I like I like the job.
You know what I'm saying because it kept me in tune.
You know, I stayed with the streets and I was able.
I still was able to keep in tune with the
young boys. You know what I'm saying, Like, like you know,
you're just telling like your boat it's good. But and
I realize bo in the hood, boat, everybody need the police, bro.
You need them, bro, And I don't.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Care if we have the police, it be probably crazy,
That's what I'm saying, Like, I like the enforcements needed
in jail.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
You in jail because of because of somebody that put
you in there. It's not really the police, I mean
unless you was like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
It seems just this the way we we. It's our
mindset's mindset from the hood where you think anything that
happens and this the police is the bad guy. But
it's just throughout the experience in the and the and
the and in the history of of of of of
man con you know, the police have a bad history
of also being abusive to us, you know us and

(45:22):
throughout the years, you know, you've seen all these things happening,
which you know, CEOs killing inmates. You know what I'm
saying you got you know, uh ceo of police killing
kids from running you know, like you got so that
show people people from the community, which is us. You know,

(45:44):
we we we we we we we get enough people
getting their feelings because it's like it's like we all
raised together, so we all like family, all well, we
all live in the same community, the same hood, right,
So it's like if your child gets killed by the police,
you know, he was running away, whether he was stealing
a car, who gives the fuck? And he was just

(46:04):
running and the police kills him. So it's like, you know,
should you have to grow that animosity that the hood doesn't.
It affects the whole community because the whole community is
like what they kill?

Speaker 4 (46:17):
Who who's ski they killed?

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Oh my god? And they don't, you know, so that
kids just and it's just history of that ship.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
So but I know that'd be the thing like like
every everything is wrong, and I always say wrong is
wrong and right is right. But when we in the
hood and we watch our friends get killed that was
running away, that was trying to get away, he get
his brain stomped out. He's trying to get away from
these dudes that just chasing him for a sneak.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Don't understand no, of course, you know we know that
police doesn't me as the guy that come from the
opposite side, I realized that, you know, it's a job.
You know what I'm saying. As long as you don't
abuse the job, abuse it, that's it's okay, you know.

(47:05):
You know, And and things are a little bit I
mean it used to be a little bit crazy back
in the days. I think things are a little bit
more tight in regards to the law. You know, we
got the badly body cameras now, I mean even though
you see the crime happening and it's and it's like
more I'll think if you got social media, you can
hear about it more, right, so, you know, And and

(47:27):
throughout these couple of last years, the car hasn't been
they haven't been getting a good look. Yeah, you know
what I'm saying. Because and that's what brings animosity with
the community.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
Because that's the thing, like sometimes it just because everybody
it's just like the wrong people. You don't know, like
it's a mistake. You can't make a mistake as a
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yeah, you know, I mean that's shure but we we
we we're not we're not perfect, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
But people don't think that because it's like, and I
know the situation you talk about. You see it like dude,
jump out the car, gun fall out, supposedly, like I
don't know this whole situation, gun fall out. Other person
saying gun gun gun, you know what I'm saying. So
like I don't want to talk about it too much
because I don't I don't know the full story. Still
details coming out, so it's like I don't know. That

(48:12):
was just one of those situations.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
And you know what, it is sad for both parties.
So that's in that situation, that situation sad. Both parties
loses because he lost his son, and then the law
which you know, the Blue they lost too because they
lost a fellow, a fellow officer. You know, I mean,

(48:33):
he was just doing nothing to nobody. He wasn't even
like the actual he wasn't even a guy that killed
your son. He was just a random guy that was
just was wearing the same uniform that we were all wearing.
That's that's that's a job. So it's really, you know,
it's it's sad for both sad. They both lost everybody's
in their feelings and at the end of the days,

(48:55):
no good is going to become out of it.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
No good and that's why people need to you know,
you gotta tell your kids. Yo, listen, I would do
anything for you. Don't go out here and be stupid.
Don't do nothing. I mean, you know I'm not saying
his situation, say in jungle, just in general. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Because teach your kids these things, yeah, because you know,
teach them. Listen, man, police come, put your hands up.
You know what I mean, open the eye up up
in the end, you know, don't run, do nothing. Don't
do nothing. You know that. Don't funny ship you itchy
in your eye, your left side, none of that. Get
your hands high, keep them high and and and ride
with the punches, you know. I mean, all we could

(49:33):
do is teach our kids. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
And the crazy thing. Let me tell you something and
that my little brother know everything right, like for me
being alone, like cops come around, do this, do that?
You know, because I had an arm. She was a
cop too, and it took for her to tell cause
I used to get pulled those like, oh, they bothered
me cause you know I used to put that all
to black and one time, you know, she's just like, yo,
you gotta stop being so combattle with them, Like just

(49:55):
turn on all the lights, keep your stuff in arm
reach where they could see him. You know, she taught
me that. You know what I'm saying, if you got
ten on your car, roll down all your windows, turn
the lights. She told me that, And then now I'm
teaching that to my you know, my little you spread.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
That because it just makes the job easier for everybody.
Like if you know the cop is going to stop you,
and they stop, you put the windows down real quick.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
But then you got the cops that like, my little
brother was outside drinking the slushy in front the crib.
He get me on the phone like yo, what's up.
Like they're like, oh, he outside open container. He's like, Yo,
I'm drinking a slushy. They're going they're going in.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
You know you have those.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Cops, those the ones you gotta watch, and those those
be the ones that be dangerous. They wound up killing
the wrong person, the wrong innocent guy here. It should
be whack as fuck. So you know, we just listen.
Just this is life, man. You know what I'm saying.
You gotta make the best of it and live. And
you what you do, being that you're going back to

(50:57):
law enforcement, you just try to always change an error.
That's try to try to always represent so when they
see you, you know, they respect you because you're going
you're gonna you're there to serve the public, you feel me,
so not to harass the public. You know what I'm saying.
You there to serve the public.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
And when I was, I was doing it. It's like
I'm putting my life on the line for people stuff everything,
Like when people call, like it's like, Yo, your car
got stolen. You want me? They use guns and everything,
and I gotta go get it back for you. But
you don't even like the police, you know what I'm saying.
Like it's like that's crazy, you know what I'm saying, Like,
you know, situations be happening, they call the police, and

(51:38):
then you get there like, hey, what's what's the problem.
I don't even want to talk to y'all'viate Like it's like,
you know, it's like that's why I don't even like
the police.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
But you know, you know, that's just the community. That's
just the community.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Man. Just like when you were see the dudes that
the dude that was talking the most, he get cut.
What happened there was after me five minutes. And it's just.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
My thing to you is keep keep doing your thing.
Lift you know, live, keep uh know, you're showing a
good example for the younger brothers out there that you
don't have to, you know, necessarily go to jail to
become something great. You always, you know, learn from those
around you the mistakes that they had done. You know,
your uncles, your aunt, your father, your brother, whatever, whoever.

(52:28):
You know, your friends, your friends, those around you that
didn't whatever time you know, and just listen, stick to
your goal. You know what I'm saying, don't be ashamed
if you want to be a correction over the police,
over stuff and all that, man, stick with it, you
know what I mean, Like, don't let nobody got you
in any different direction. I even tell my own kids.
I got one of my kids he's like, yo, I

(52:49):
want to become a CEO and his dad and yeah,
and I'm like, yo, do it. So get on that
because that's what you need. You needs good, good benefits.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
And you can't getting up now. And now they like
this dude just spit on me. You know what I'm saying.
It's like who's You're gonna be?

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Like?

Speaker 4 (53:05):
Who's on? You know what I'm saying it. And that's
the thing. These dudes they be thinking old just because
I'm in a uniform or something like, you could disrespect
me your like you don't know sometimes you don't even
know who you're disrespect it, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Yeah, because they look at you different. You know, trust me,
you ain't gonna win. You go against the Lord, you
know you're not gonna win regardless no matter what what
it is. You could have been right wrong, You're gonna lose.
So the best thing is just to avoid avoid any
conflicts with the Lord, with the police, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
Nowadays, you know, everybody start like they put the phones out,
put all and like it's just like.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Yeah, it's just it's you know, because people want to
be secure.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
I'm talking about people that don't like it. Don't even
be a situation.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Yeah, yeah, you know, the world changed, don't worry about that.
You got you got. You gotta be able to accept
that the world change is different, Saint twenty years ago.
It is ain't none of.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
That because your ever, you know my own y'all. You
know you grew up with my uncle ever. Y'all ever
was your police come around out?

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (54:09):
Police over there. We're going this way. You know what
I'm saying now this generation is police come around. What happened?
Why you bother? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Different, Like I said, living on a whole different time.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
You know what I'm saying. That's like, you know, my
thing to you. You gotta be uncle Pete. You know,
you know you gotta tell a young kyo by what.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
I do, I do? I do?

Speaker 4 (54:28):
I do?

Speaker 2 (54:29):
I do I do? Come around tell them, yo, man,
forget about that. You don't want that. Don't don't be
looking for drawing with the cops. You know, there's no
reasons not to like the cops. He never did nothing
to you. You don't know them. You know what I'm saying.
Something happened to you. Who you're gonna call the cops?
So you know, And I try to you know, teach
brothers and stuff like that, like you know, morals and principles,
you know what I'm saying, And to respect, you know

(54:51):
what I'm saying, you get respect, you get respect. You
know what I'm saying. So I tell them, I tell
anybody all that. I tell all the young brothers all
the time that now when I go to Records Island,
I tell them now, I said, listen, you want to
give respect for the CEO, you got to give respect.
And I also tell the CEO as well, listen, you
have to you have to give these guys respect in

(55:13):
order for them to respect you. You know, and I
and I you know, and I mattered to like, you know,
ease things around, easy, easy, you know.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
And that's the thing about being a CEO and racordsale,
and that will humble you and prepare you for like
if you do go into like the police, like going
into the street, it will humble you because you have
to have respect for these dudes, because if you don't,
you're gonna you're gonna have a problem, like because ain't
nobody coming to save you, Ain't no backup like that
like where you know you got a partner. Now you
by yourself for real. So if you see every CEO

(55:43):
knowledge like mad chill, like nobody really broom up the
ass type they all chill because we all got it
we all got to stay here together. I gotta stay
here with these dudes. So yeah, everybody gotta gotta have
that respect. Like, listen, do you want to do this?

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Everything in life is respect, man, whether you were inmate,
whether you're McDonald's respect.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
Like, look at mt A workers. They they can't even
do their job sometimes because they getting disrespected. Like you,
I ain't patient, you know what I'm saying. Like they
go through it. Everybody go through it.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
So anyway, with that being said, right, I want to
I want to, you know, first and foremost, man, keep
doing your thing, you know what I'm saying. You know,
keep living for as an example for the younger brothers
out here, you know, and the sisters. And you're doing it.
You know, you live with it. You ain't trying to.

(56:33):
You doing it because you have done it. You became
a CEO, you became he was in the Fast, he
was a CEO. You was right, Azalas ceo. He was
you know law, he was a police officer. Now you're
going back. I mean you're doing you're doing what you
want to do. Is what's making you, what's gonna make
you happy, and that's listen, that's it, you know, what

(56:56):
I'm saying and my thing to you is, and this
apple is to encourage those brothers out there, to let
them know that you could come from the you could
come from the best style. You could come from anywhere
and still make it. You know what I'm saying. If
you you can still make it, you can still go
out there and have good job and get money. And
it has to be drug money on to be outside.

(57:18):
Money have to be robbery, y don't have to be
none of that. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
It's gonna be slow sometime and that's ship pick up.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
And with that being said, man, I want to thank
you so much for coming through app You know what
I'm saying, Your boy Pistol Pete, dog in the yard.
What what you know is your boy Pistol Pete walking
back to the dog in the yard. I want to
first and foremost thank you well keep doing your thing.
Appreciate having you brother. You're living as an example for

(57:47):
the young brothers and sisters out there that you could
do whatever you want to do regardless of where you
come from and your background. And with that being said,
you already knows your boy Pistol.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
Thank god, Kay sit out it was sliding.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Nigga, we'd alive and South shot. Niddy, We're alive and
self shot. We the gods, we have got