July 21, 2025 • 37 mins
Dr. Trell “Donk” Webb was sentenced to life plus 90 years at Angola — one of the deadliest prisons in America. Paralyzed by gun violence. Targeted in a shooting that almost took his voice. And yet, Donk came out of that darkness with a mission bigger than himself.
Known now as The Voice for the Voiceless, Dr. Donk travels the country sharing his truth, his faith, and his message of transformation. From the streets of Baton Rouge to the pulpit, Donk’s life is raw, unfiltered proof that grace and grit can break any chain.
This is more than an interview — it’s a spiritual awakening. Don’t miss it.
Known now as The Voice for the Voiceless, Dr. Donk travels the country sharing his truth, his faith, and his message of transformation. From the streets of Baton Rouge to the pulpit, Donk’s life is raw, unfiltered proof that grace and grit can break any chain.
This is more than an interview — it’s a spiritual awakening. Don’t miss it.
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
L'll be.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Hope a south darks a over your mouth, but you
less clear. That's right.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Up with up, with up, it's your boy, BX tone here,
dog in the yard. Today we got Dunk from bat
Rules Louisiana. He had life plus in ninety years. He
had to tell us his story with that. Let's get
right to it, BX tone Dog in the yard. Let's
do it, Yoe. What's good with you? How you feeling?
(01:49):
Dog in the yard? Me my broke pistol Pete you
already know. Shout out to my BX bombers. Shout out
to abody across the across the United States internationally and
all that dog and yard were in the building. Today,
got my boy Dunk from Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Handling that. Getting to it, man, I'm grateful to be here.
What's up to? Everything is good, man, get it? Everything
is good. How you feeling, man, I'm grateful man.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
You know what I mean, y'all City of the big
city of lights, man, and so you know nice, you
can't come through this city without stopping man dog in
the yards man. And so he's one of the ones
I've been dying to get here.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
So I'm here, you know copy Yo, thank you, appreciate
you for pulling up.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
You know what I'm saying. We want to dive right in.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Man.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
You got a real interesting background and development and transition.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
What I'm saying, tell us.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
A little bit about yourself, like you know, we know
you dunk and all of that, but tell us you
know about your foundation, like you know your your early
development or whatever, and you know, and I mean, take
us through it.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
You don't get with us.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
So mine pretty much like most of us, Man, I
grew up in a single home from bad Us, Louisiana,
and we had it hard bro like we come from
them trenches in Louisiana.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
They behind time. So I grew up in that era
of crack.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Cocaine hit ripped my family, everybody died. So like my
story kind of started. Grew up in a in a
in a home to what my mom and dad was
in the house at first, got the voice hit, we
ended up in the hood.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Mom packed it up. We ended up in the hood.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
And the hood that we went in was the worst
hood in Baton Rudge. And so I went from the
suburbs to the trenches to the hood overnight in the
time to where crack cocaine arrow just hit and so.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Man like I saw a body, my first body at
like eight, you know, and what year what like what
year like framing like what.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Years ago that was like that, I would say, like
in nineteen eighty, gotcha around nineteen eighty, around that time
when that crack cocaine era hit man and so come
across man. So that's all I saw. That's all we
saw coming up down there in Louisiana. Like it's small,
but it's it's treacherous.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Got you.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
So you're basically talking about like you know, unstable home environments,
definitely dysfunctional neighborhood, marginalized community, underprivileged, neglected from you know,
government support and so on and so forth, where you
find individuals in those communities striving or surviving, working to
kind of get some type of sustenance any way possible.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
So we was pretty much, yeah, we was poor man
like down there, poor minimum wage man, Like you're not
making no money. So you know, like how you may
go to some cities to where you got black folks
own stuff and we ain't own nothing.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Got you.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
So it was pretty much like get it how you live.
You know, you're living with your auntees, you know, the
average thing. So mama working two jobs, trying to make it,
do it to do but and my dad, Man, I
come shout out to my pop.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Man. I had a great pop.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Him and mom just ain't work out, gotch and so
you know, he tried everything that he could try with me.
But you know, my role models was the dope boys,
and so I took their advice man and I jumped
off that porch young.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
So you know what's important here, right, And in many
instances we think about it.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
In other instances we don't.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
But Dog in the Yard is a different type of podcast.
We type of podcast that we're not only speaking about
individuals experiences in the mindset shifting and the changing, but
we want to give individuals an understanding of what you know,
mainstream society may be thinking about when it comes to
these particular communities. Right, the reality is that the social
determinants of health is something that needs to be considered
(05:53):
when we begin to think about the development of individuals
coming from these neighborhoods. So when we speak about the
social determinants to help, we're speaking about how environments impact
the way that living organisms, but specifically human beings develop
to be who they are physically but cognitively, like in
the mind, how we begin to make decisions. Many of
us think we making the decisions that we want to make,
(06:15):
but we don't realize that it's the environment that's influencing
the way that we make our decisions. So ultimately we
find ourselves in bad such a circumstances, prisons.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Environment and the jails and so on and so forth.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
But talk to us about, you know, how how you
transitioned into making some flawed decisions that put you in
bad situations.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
So that's crazy, man, because that was my That's what
happened to me. Like I had to adapt, and it
been like this my whole life, Like I had instantly
coming from the suburbs to the hood, coming from playing
basketball on the court where all the basketball nets good.
There ain't no nets, you know, to where you dribbling
(06:57):
over they shooting, ha run all kind of stuff. So
I had to adjust, man, it so fast, yeah quick,
so instantly. Man. I was eight when I went over there.
I was seven eight. I saw my first body at nine.
I'm shot playing with a gun. I'm shot at my
stomach with a forty four mag man, Me and my
cousin playing with a gun. Gun went off. I get
(07:19):
shot in the stomach. I met my cousin, my cousin
that I'm looking up to, because down there you got
to you gotta have a tool, gotcha. So this at
nine years old, and so I get shot tone and
I'm paralyzed. So I get shot in my stomach, colostomy bag.
I get paralyzed. I get put in a wheelchair and
(07:40):
they say that I'd never be able to walk again.
So I went through five major surgeries. Man, I'm at
nine years old, So from nineteen leven to twelve, from
nine to twelve, I'm in a wheelchair with a colostomy bag,
and it's messing with my mental man, because my parents
did my family had enough money.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
That's how bad it was. My My family.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Ain't have enough money to get me, no new bags
to change.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So I used to have a stench that used to
be with me.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
It used to stink because you know, when you got
a colostomy bag, you you.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Pooping in the bag.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
And so everywhere I'm going, So as a young boy,
I'm I'm messed up. And so man I would go
around people in my my I'm depressed, I'm angry, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I'm thinking this is gonna be my end. Man.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
But I had a praying grandmother. Like my grandmother used
to always pray. She used to always pray, Man. And
I remember going through my fifth surgery and they about
to push me into the hospital room and my grandmother
stopped the bed. She stopped the bed and she gave
me this look. She was like Trail. That's what she
called me, Pete. She was like, Trail, you think God
(08:51):
can heal you? And I looked at her. I ain't
about to say no, but she give mom. She giving
me that look like do you believe?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (09:02):
And I'm like yeah, because it can't happen without you
believe most definitely.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
So I remember I went to surgery, man, and I
came out in What was so crazy is to where
grandma and used to let nobody stay at the hospital.
It's real talk. So but my grandmother used to have
a snowing problem, and I remember, Man, because only one
person could stay in the hospital. I remember she used
to sleep on the couch and something happened different than
(09:26):
that happened in years. The medicine wore offed me my feet.
I started feeling the tingling in my feet again. And
so I'm trying to reach over there to Grandma because
I'm seeing like I didnet got healed. Man, I dodn't
touch Grandma. Yeah, I didn't touch Grandma. Told she wake
up like a man. That's how that's the first miracle
(09:47):
that I ever saw.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Man.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
And like, coming from where I come from, you know,
the hood, Man, this made me the biggest gangster.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
You know, like I'm thinking, I'm about to get out, man,
and I'm you know, I'm about to be the biggest gangster.
And that's what I did.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Man.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
And so so that transitioned you. Although it was a
positive thing, it liter firing you. That transitions you into
what like at that point, we're real gangster, gotcha?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Like I begin to talk out, Yeah, I'm outside.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Yeah, it's like out, let's finish.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
It's up.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I'm outside now. Now I done got my rank. Hold
you at fifteen or fifteen, I'm fifteen. I'm fourteen, about
to be fifteen.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Now I got ranked.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
I'm you know, I didn't survive the forty four magnum.
I'm slanging I everywhere.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Drugs.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Yeah, I'm slaying drugs. I'm slinging drugs. Then at nine,
ten years old, like were starting young. Once you came
back outside fifteen, Now i'ms jacket okay, So I became
I became a jack boy. I'm doing kickdolls, kidnappings, like
this is what I'm known for. This where I get
the name dunk it from this what don't come from Dunky?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Gotcha? So I get the adapt the name of Dunky.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Like so the whole city, whole state of Baton, rude,
the whole state of Louisiana knowing donkey, I'm fifteen years old,
but I ended up catching some bodies, get charged. Me
and my father probably get charged with some arm ribbers,
some bodies at fifteen years old. Fifteen years old, they
tried us as an adult now in Louisiana. This is
(11:22):
why I like dog in the yard because it's different.
On this platform, you get a chance. And this is
what I admire about what y'all doing, bro, because we're
watching this from a distant from a distance the real
ones and understand the language of what's being spoken on here.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I can't know anywhere speak about this unless.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
You didn't have the experience and walked and dogged on
that yard. Can't know anybody come to dog in the yard.
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, like I understand that
I dogged the yard man and so walked, yes man,
And so fifteen man, I get sentenced to life plus
ninety years. Go to trial and in Louisiana, Man, it's different,
(12:04):
like I ain't never beat like it's slavery days. Ain't
no winning like and when I say ain't no.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Winning, like, I don't even have a clue.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
So like it's it's to where they don't play. There's
no plan.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
By the rules.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
So I'm fifteen years old at this time, man, Like,
we don't have no money. So for y'all, no boosie,
that's my man, Like I come from that. This is
the family that we come from, Boosy, we sisters kids.
This is my main man. This is my man at
this time. He ain't no rapper. We don't got no
money for no lawyer. I'm just knowing, like, don't tell
(12:42):
whatever you do, you got to take your leak. So
we go in there, we go to trial. So when
we go to trial, I go to trial with a
public pretender, you know public, they pretend to defend you,
but it's just me and my fall partner keeping it solid.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Man.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
And so they railroaded us. Man, They didn't let us
cross examined, no witnesses, none of this man, and so
my mom them fall out in the courtroom. The racism, Yeah, racism, man,
like it's whites against black Like, no blacks in power
that can cause no shot. If a black person in
power down there, they don't have a voice, and so
(13:20):
you have no win. So our prison is ninety eight
percent black. Some of them is one hundred percent. How
we go in these prisons and we saw different nationalities
up here, Pete, that's not like that in Louisiana.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Like you go on these pots everybody black.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Everybody got tired, everybody like, So the conviction rate is
nine times out of ten, you getting convicted. And so man,
we blue trial, we blue trial. They try me as
a doult I get we get arrested, tried, sentenced to
life plus ninety years without the benefit of probation and parole.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
There's no parole, got you.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
So I was sentenced to die. We were sentenced to
die within a year. So like what within a year,
I get picked up sign sealed delivery within the year.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I'm here.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I'm in the penitentiary. Man, I'm in penitentiary. I go
to Angola, man, And so what's so real about Angola
is you hear about all of these stories coming up.
You know, you hear the old heads on the block
talking about Angola. You may get one that then did
forty years. He come home, he been to Angola. So
you know about Angola in Gola and Gola like this
(14:36):
is one of the largest bloodiest prisons in the world.
So here I was man chained to a guy that
got three hundred and some years.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I'm little, I'm on my way up the road.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
I got life plus ninety years, and I make it
to Angola, and Gola is long road to where you.
The ending of it is just a sign with Louisiana
State Prison. And that's where I ended up at.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Got you.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
So I go to this prison, man, I.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Go to the yard. Peek.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I go to the yard and like you frushy young,
and I'm young, You've got life plus a ninety.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
I mean, you're going a lot of shit going through
your mind.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
And so I'm thinking, because I'm hearing these stories. But
I'm about my business, like I get straight off the
bus and get straight to it. I jugged me something
first day because I'm young, I'm bright, I got cat eyes.
I'm young, I'm a little boy. I'm knowing one thing.
And then you get off. It ain't gola. You know,
(15:34):
when you hit the yard, they on the yard, so
you you fresh, everybody looking at you.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I had never experienced nothing like this. Man.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I wasn't no jail guy. I was just somebody off
the street that was wild. But I ain't know this
part of it. Like right now, you know how how
they wilding now? They don't show them what we just
saw today. You know, they got them switches and stuff.
They don't see what.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
We just saw.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
They don't see people doing forty fifty years crying off
for one mistake. And so that was that was my story.
So man, I ended up in this prison, man to
where I get out and get straight to the business man,
because I meant that I was gonna I was gonna
make a name for myself. Man, And so that's what
I did win in this prison. And but the thing
(16:23):
about it is the difference where that goal is there's
no hope nobody going home. Nobody ain't talking about home.
Nobody can escape. Nobody ever escaped and got away. You
working in the field for three center hour. That's why
I got these gristles still on my hand. You working
(16:45):
for three center hour. You get up every day, you
working in the field. You it's so hot out there.
The horse is falling out, damn like it's so it's
it's you see feel doing what you saw the moving life,
because you watch the move. Yes, it's exactly like life, Pete.
It's no different how you saw them on life. That's
(17:08):
how it is today. It ain't no, it's no difference.
You go in there and you're working in the field.
You got the man on the horse with the gun
that's following you with slavery days got you got the
you got the houseboy, he on.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
The front running the line.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
So it's this this our everyday life, man. And so
that's your everyday life, My everyday life man.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
So it's no library. So they got them, but they
got the libraries in there. Or who you go file to.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Ain't nobody going home.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Right because it just as you mentioned a minute ago.
Even if you got you know, black politicians, they don't
really have the power understanding now, so we understand that
context and when you can't with how you how you
developed into the individual you you became, and how you
find yourself yourself inside of the car stole setting right,
(18:03):
So talk us. So there had to be a beacon point,
a point where there was a shifting a turn right,
tell us about that. So, man, like, what's what's so
unique about my story is to where I really saw
God do a miracle in my life. It's real talk
all and it came from esteemed from what I saw
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my grandmother do. I used to watch Mom and them
pray when mama getting beat on, when we ain't had
no food.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Mama used to pray. I used to watch this. I
come up watching them struggle, but they would pray. And
that's one of the things that I held on going
into this place to where I see everybody dieing there.
Like some of our jobs we digging graves at the place,
at the place in the prison. Some of our jobs
was tom we straight digging grave. So you wake up
(18:53):
in the morning, you dig the grave. Later on that
day you're gonna see a black carriage coming down there
with the casket in there. Because people dining in there.
And if they don't, if they don't identify your body
in seventy two hours, you going in one of them. Great.
And so what click for me is so I did
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all together. I did eleven years. I did eleven years
all together.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Man.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
But what click for me is to where.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I just start praying in there.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Man.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
I cried out to God, you know, like I literally
sit in that cell and I cried out to God.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
One day.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
I'm like, man, God, like I need your help. I
don't seen mom and them get out the impossible. It's
one of my impossible situations, like I don't seen it.
And so they had this old head come to me
one day man, because I was still wilding in there.
And this may be for some of the ones, I'm
still getting it in. Yeah, Man, I'm staying.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
On locked down.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
I'm on the box in kemp J kim J.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Like is our lockdown? I was said m J.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
So every time I'm coming off of lockdown, I'm getting
in trouble, man, going back in because this is all
I knew. This is what my environment had birth. I
became this, I became this monster. I had this reputation
that I had to.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Live up into survival. You know what I'm saying, You.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Know how to go man, and and and so I
did it and so, but what stuck with me? Man?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
One day old head.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Come to me. He was like, he was like, hey, dunk,
He say, I see you be praying and you won't
God to do great things for you, he say, but
your behavior got a shift and that did something from me.
Like that did something for me, man, And so I
started just applying and start reading. I start seeing myself
(20:55):
what I'm at today, Like I start seeing this person today.
And at this time, it's when Boosie would come visit
me and rap. He would rap and say, Man, I
like I think I could rap, he'll rap. So I
remember he we end up sending them to the people
(21:16):
that he ended up signing with. But he started in prison,
skipping school. Come and see me in prison, Like, because
this is my little cousin. I grew up in the
same house.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
This my man and one day Man were reading. I'm reading.
I get a newspaper in there.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Shout out to Boosy, Man, stand up, you got some
peoples out in New York.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Man.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Next time you come you over.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
You know, we outside straight up. Man, so man and
so man.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
That's what I ended up reading the newspaper, Man, and
my name popped up in a newspaper, something that had
never happened. The case. The court overturned my case without
me even knowing prayer, the power, prayer, power prayer, without
me and even knowing my fall partner, I would prayer,
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and so I ended up getting a new trial going back.
The only thing different, Man, Now, I'm my mindset had
to shift. I had to been praying for two things.
This high priced lawyer, Lenny Perez, he charged five hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
He took my case for free.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
They're talking about miracles. These are the things that happened
in the box. Like when you in there in the yard.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
You know when you be needing to come through and
you can look back. I know y'all got them situations.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
The man was talking about that going in there, Man,
And so I went back. They offered me ten years
credit for time serve and I took it. Man. So
that's how I ended up coming home out of that prison.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
So we know we did never come home. So we
know we know you here now, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
I ended up coming home in two thousand and six,
two thousand and six. Okay, talk to us about that.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
So here now we know you here, talk to us
about that transition, that mindset ship.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
So this the thing about it. Man, when I come home.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
So you know how it is before you're about to
get out that box. Man, I got a vision, you know,
because I done told God, you get me out of this.
I ain't gonna do it no more. I got a vision.
You know, my life had them pretty much change what
I thought. But at this time Boost had to blew up.
He this big rapper number one song, wipe me down.
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So it's up. I'm in every song, you know, like
they waiting on me to come home. Man, They waiting
on me at the gate with a bens and a
whole lot of money. So man, my vision went one way, man,
and we too at the world man. And so in
the midst of me tour in the world with Boosy,
Boosy ended up catching eight murder charges. And so Boosy
(23:51):
ended up getting charged with eight murders.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Everybody left them.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Everybody left them but me the fist hitting everybody, hitting
all the houses and everything. At this time, I'm in Atlanta,
is hitting my house. Boosie on death row in Angola
hadn't got fund this, how louisianna is he get charged
go to Angola, not the parents jail. They send them
straight to the penitentiary without being convicted or nothing, because
(24:19):
they thought they was gonna get a conviction.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
So everybody left for man. Man Boosy went against the
state and won. One.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Congratulations to that stand up boozy talk man. So we won,
beat those bodies man and moved to Atlanta. I was
already there, and in the midst of us doing this, Man,
I had an encounter with God and changed my life. Man.
Nice I gave God Yes.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Nice, I gave God yes.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
And the rest being history.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Man, So what you're doing today?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
So now I'm a pastor in Atlanta. I get a
chance to serve the struggle though, Man, I get a
chance to go in pre is all over the world.
A lot of the people that's in the industry they
go to, especially around my way, like the booses, the
wife and looting them. They're popping them, you know, all
(25:13):
of the ones that come up. Why beating them down
my way? They saw my they know what it was
to not and then on the yard and I serve
a lot of prisons. You know, my heart and the
prisons because I've been there.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
It's good. You know, you segued into prisons. What do
you think about restorative justice?
Speaker 4 (25:32):
And I think that one of the things that I
think for sure is that is needed because that's something
that they don't give enough attention to, especially across the board,
like what.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
We saw in New York.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Your prison is bad, but when you go down south,
it's a whole another level. Like how y'all have at
least I opportunity to get programs. There's no programs down
there at all at all. Like you gotta fight for everything.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
You waiting to die.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
So you're waiting to die, man, Like it's really like
the fartiest you know what I'm saying. And so I
think that I think that what needs to happen is
they need to shed more light on it. They need
to send more help. You like them brothers need help
behind that wall.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Man.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
So that's what my heart had to him, definitely. So
straight up, I've.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Been home now seventeen.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Consistent, strong, seventeen doing guard's work.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
You know what it is, man, Gangs has changed, that's
changed too, you know what has changed too?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Man?
Speaker 4 (26:45):
And so This is why I love whether I'm seeing
the work that y'all doing, appreciate it because we're doing
it from the same place, just a different address.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
And we're doing a collaborative right there. You know, we're
doing it. We collaborate.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
By the way, He's part of dog in the yacht up.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
You know, that's what we do, all my guys, that
we run around, you know, with creating these changes and
and and and and and and taking our time and
going out to these jails, these prisons to deliver the word.
You know what I'm saying, Not only God, but you know,
just just us as a whole going to the prison
and just to just to get see we could get
(27:22):
a mind a mindset different, different mindset, that mindset shifting. Yeah, exactly,
you know what I'm saying. Just so we working, you know,
we we we're doing. I'm doing something I never thought
i'd do for real, you know what I'm saying. So
it's like it's a blessing for us to all be together,
you know, and able to go to prison, to the
jail to aspire to you know, you know, uplift the
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brothers that they knew they needed. Yes, you know what
I'm saying because we we know the feeling I'm and.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
It's one thing.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
It's one thing when you can this, this would always share.
It's one thing to go into a prison and speak,
because I do it. I do it on a level
to where it's great and impact is made. But it's
another thing how we move and take over the whole
prison like it's different. And especially when you can go
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to them same brothers that you worked out with them,
same brothers that you know toune. They like man that
they call you out their sale because you getting busy.
They like hold up like these and to come back
as us now though, so they can see.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Like hold up.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
If they can do it, I can do it. Like
there is hope man and soul man. There's nothing greater
than this, nothing.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Andre Norman Academy of Hope.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Yeah, the Academy of Hope. You transformative program. You're taking
a different, different, different on New York State facilities. Give
brothers the opportunity to see that anything they can imagine
they can do right. So it's about mindset shifting. It's
about understanding that where you are at today is that's
not where you need to where you have to be
at tomorrow. That's not where you need to be at tomorrow,
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right understanding that is a greater purpose in life. But
Dog in the Yard is about building community, building community
on this side of the wall, and building community on
that side of the wall, and connecting and given resources
to individuals that want something more for themselves. We believe
in putting your own work in around here. So yo, listen,
dunk Man rules little booze straight up.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Man, oh man, I love it, man. I think that.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
One of the things that I know about it is
it worked. I'm evident you know what I'm saying. And
I think that they we don't we don't have. I
think that we don't have enough of us doing it.
And when I say us those that was dogs in
the yard, you got something that that that may be
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doing it. But I'm talking about the ones that was
dogs in the yard in.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Fact exactly what those that really matter that can make
that impact.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Most definitely, because it's difference.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
There's a difference between Because you get that, I'll get that.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
It's a difference, a.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Difference, man. And so I think the shift of what's
happening now is a is a great thing man, and
I think that things take time and the impact of
what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Shout out to all the Louisiana.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Man, let me just talk. Shout out to my people, man,
Shout out to the entire Louisiana. The boot, every prison,
d C, I hunts way. Man, y'all already know what
it is.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Man.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Listen, we dogg in the yard way up here in NYC.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Man, facts, talk about it, talk about it.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
So now let's talk about what's so.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
What's your experience in New York? Man?
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Man, it's crazy when I tell you, man, everybody is moving.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
It's bigger than big. You know.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Now I understand where when I meet people, when I
meet people that's from here and they come down south,
when I meet people that's here and they come down south,
Now I see why y'all'll be mentioning. I got you definitely,
so man, New York, the city of Lights, New York. Man,
(31:22):
it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Man, it's been a blessing.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
But man, I ain't never saw nothing like this.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Ship. The whole day that.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
You see this ship, because I know from what we're from,
we see it from a distance. When when when what
they're showing us from a distance, Man, they sugar coating directly,
we get a chance to get in the heart of it.
I'm walking down hall them. I'm all in Brooklyn. You
know what I'm saying For me, Man, I'm the drenches
as well.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Man, Like take me there.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
I understand times, squad, but man, I need to see
where it's popping at. Man.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
You know, but.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Man, there's just a whole problem outside.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
So we're gonna hit the good areas. We're gonna hit
every area is good to me.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
In fact, we're gonna take your away if you can
see anything.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
It's been down though.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Man, it's been. It's been, it's been. It's been great.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Yeah, we appreciate you showing up, great man, giving brothers
the inspiration, giving brothers that spiritual that spiritual energy, that's
spiritual boost that's always necessary to count the conquer adverge situation.
So definitely want to shout you out and thank you
for that. One more thing to before he goes. What's
one of the worst things you've seen in your time?
And cut read that that never left your thought. I
(32:41):
forgot to ask.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
You that, man.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
One of the things that stick with me, man, is that.
So when I went to Angola, we went there. They
tried a couple of us as an adult, and all
of us went there with a life sentence, so.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
It was about four of us.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Every one of us went there with a natural life sentence,
and we got shipped there together. So I remember we
used to be having these conversations about Angola. What is
going to be like when we get there, So we'll
kick it and be like, man, you better go there
and fight.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I knew what I was gonna do.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
When I got off the bus, and I did that.
I stood on business. But they had this one young
man man that went there. This was my man man.
He went that man and they got this thing and
ain't golda to wear because it ain't penitentiary no more.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
It's pay attention.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
So they got this play that they run to where
it may be two of them when you come through.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
The door, and if you a young boy, they'll come
to you like they know the law.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
So you will have one of your men sitting on
their bed with all them law books while your other
man cut in to them. My man was green, so
they cut into him like you know what your case is?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
He tell them about their case.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Boom boom, boom boom, boom, and so he give them
their paperwork because they promised him that they could get
him home because he ain't got no lawyer. Or what
they did was they filed this paperwork and bought him
from ever going being able to follow again. So when
they borret him, that means that he could never go home.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
You see what I'm saying. They bored him. They got
his paperwork. Yo.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
So now I'm telling you so now what they're doing
now they got life.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
He got life.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
So every day they about to work on him. And
so man, it touched me. Man, they gave him a
knife and they kept a knife, and but it wouldn't
he wouldn't about that, so he gave a knife back.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Man, he ended up becoming you know.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
They raped him and so man, they ended up turning
them out. Man, and that messed me up, man, because
I saw this.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
You know what I'm saying. I saw this.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
I saw this. I saw this, man, So that was
one of the worst.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Things that I saw in now because but life was
turned forever.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Thanks for sharing that.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Yeah, it was real talk like that's you know, that's
what goes on behind I always ask that because it's important.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
It's imperative that these brothers out there, brothers and sisters
out there know what's going on and this actually happens,
what does happen.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
And that's why we need to support our people in
those situations. Right open the eyes of our people in
those situations so that we don't find that. And whether
it be in Baton Ruge or whether it be in
Louisiana or New York State or New Jersey or California,
the individuals are not being taken advantage of because they
got support right individuals. Talk to them so they can
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open their eyes and be mind for the predators that's
in those environments as well as in these streets.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Real talk with that. We're gonna close it out.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
My bro Dunk from Louisiana, Baton Rugeiana.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
You know your boy pistol.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Dog in the yard, your boy tone b X tone.
We hear doing the good work.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Having you man, Dunk, Pete Man. What we're gonna do
something different?
Speaker 5 (36:05):
Give us a little prayer, man man, Let's do it, y'all.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Let's get it God.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
We just say thank you, thank you for this moment.
We speak blessings over Dog in the yard. We speak
blessings over everybody that will watch this, and our prayers
that you make a decision to never make it to
that yard.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
And so we thank you her name. We pray a man.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Let's get it.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Up with Up, with up your boy, b X tone,
Dog in the Yard. I want to thank Dunk for
coming through Baton Rules Louisiana. You got life plus ninety years,
did his time, came home. But what I want to
emphasize is the prisons Louisiana are totally different from the
prisons of New York. As he stayed in inside of
his interview, those prisons in Louisiana are similar.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
To like the movie Life.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
It's not like New York where you're doing it this way,
you're doing it that way, You're doing that way. It's
almost like being on a plantation. But the bottom line
is that he made it out of it through a
middleicle guard.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
He home. He's doing good work.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
He visiting the prisons, giving brothers hope, and he's doing
what he gotta do with that. I close out Dog
in the Yard, b X Tone, Until next time, We'd alive.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Shelf shining
L'll be.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Hope a south darks a over your mouth, but you
less clear. That's right.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Up with up, with up, it's your boy, BX tone here,
dog in the yard. Today we got Dunk from bat
Rules Louisiana. He had life plus in ninety years. He
had to tell us his story with that. Let's get
right to it, BX tone Dog in the yard. Let's
do it, Yoe. What's good with you? How you feeling?
(01:49):
Dog in the yard? Me my broke pistol Pete you
already know. Shout out to my BX bombers. Shout out
to abody across the across the United States internationally and
all that dog and yard were in the building. Today,
got my boy Dunk from Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Handling that. Getting to it, man, I'm grateful to be here.
What's up to? Everything is good, man, get it? Everything
is good. How you feeling, man, I'm grateful man.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
You know what I mean, y'all City of the big
city of lights, man, and so you know nice, you
can't come through this city without stopping man dog in
the yards man. And so he's one of the ones
I've been dying to get here.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
So I'm here, you know copy Yo, thank you, appreciate
you for pulling up.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
You know what I'm saying. We want to dive right in.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Man.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
You got a real interesting background and development and transition.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
What I'm saying, tell us.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
A little bit about yourself, like you know, we know
you dunk and all of that, but tell us you
know about your foundation, like you know your your early
development or whatever, and you know, and I mean, take
us through it.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
You don't get with us.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
So mine pretty much like most of us, Man, I
grew up in a single home from bad Us, Louisiana,
and we had it hard bro like we come from
them trenches in Louisiana.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
They behind time. So I grew up in that era
of crack.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Cocaine hit ripped my family, everybody died. So like my
story kind of started. Grew up in a in a
in a home to what my mom and dad was
in the house at first, got the voice hit, we
ended up in the hood.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Mom packed it up. We ended up in the hood.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
And the hood that we went in was the worst
hood in Baton Rudge. And so I went from the
suburbs to the trenches to the hood overnight in the
time to where crack cocaine arrow just hit and so.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Man like I saw a body, my first body at
like eight, you know, and what year what like what
year like framing like what.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Years ago that was like that, I would say, like
in nineteen eighty, gotcha around nineteen eighty, around that time
when that crack cocaine era hit man and so come
across man. So that's all I saw. That's all we
saw coming up down there in Louisiana. Like it's small,
but it's it's treacherous.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Got you.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
So you're basically talking about like you know, unstable home environments,
definitely dysfunctional neighborhood, marginalized community, underprivileged, neglected from you know,
government support and so on and so forth, where you
find individuals in those communities striving or surviving, working to
kind of get some type of sustenance any way possible.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
So we was pretty much, yeah, we was poor man
like down there, poor minimum wage man, Like you're not
making no money. So you know, like how you may
go to some cities to where you got black folks
own stuff and we ain't own nothing.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Got you.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
So it was pretty much like get it how you live.
You know, you're living with your auntees, you know, the
average thing. So mama working two jobs, trying to make it,
do it to do but and my dad, Man, I
come shout out to my pop.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Man. I had a great pop.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Him and mom just ain't work out, gotch and so
you know, he tried everything that he could try with me.
But you know, my role models was the dope boys,
and so I took their advice man and I jumped
off that porch young.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
So you know what's important here, right, And in many
instances we think about it.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
In other instances we don't.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
But Dog in the Yard is a different type of podcast.
We type of podcast that we're not only speaking about
individuals experiences in the mindset shifting and the changing, but
we want to give individuals an understanding of what you know,
mainstream society may be thinking about when it comes to
these particular communities. Right, the reality is that the social
determinants of health is something that needs to be considered
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when we begin to think about the development of individuals
coming from these neighborhoods. So when we speak about the
social determinants to help, we're speaking about how environments impact
the way that living organisms, but specifically human beings develop
to be who they are physically but cognitively, like in
the mind, how we begin to make decisions. Many of
us think we making the decisions that we want to make,
(06:15):
but we don't realize that it's the environment that's influencing
the way that we make our decisions. So ultimately we
find ourselves in bad such a circumstances, prisons.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Environment and the jails and so on and so forth.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
But talk to us about, you know, how how you
transitioned into making some flawed decisions that put you in
bad situations.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
So that's crazy, man, because that was my That's what
happened to me. Like I had to adapt, and it
been like this my whole life, Like I had instantly
coming from the suburbs to the hood, coming from playing
basketball on the court where all the basketball nets good.
There ain't no nets, you know, to where you dribbling
(06:57):
over they shooting, ha run all kind of stuff. So
I had to adjust, man, it so fast, yeah quick,
so instantly. Man. I was eight when I went over there.
I was seven eight. I saw my first body at nine.
I'm shot playing with a gun. I'm shot at my
stomach with a forty four mag man, Me and my
cousin playing with a gun. Gun went off. I get
(07:19):
shot in the stomach. I met my cousin, my cousin
that I'm looking up to, because down there you got
to you gotta have a tool, gotcha. So this at
nine years old, and so I get shot tone and
I'm paralyzed. So I get shot in my stomach, colostomy bag.
I get paralyzed. I get put in a wheelchair and
(07:40):
they say that I'd never be able to walk again.
So I went through five major surgeries. Man, I'm at
nine years old, So from nineteen leven to twelve, from
nine to twelve, I'm in a wheelchair with a colostomy bag,
and it's messing with my mental man, because my parents
did my family had enough money.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
That's how bad it was. My My family.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Ain't have enough money to get me, no new bags
to change.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So I used to have a stench that used to
be with me.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
It used to stink because you know, when you got
a colostomy bag, you you.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Pooping in the bag.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
And so everywhere I'm going, So as a young boy,
I'm I'm messed up. And so man I would go
around people in my my I'm depressed, I'm angry, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I'm thinking this is gonna be my end. Man.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
But I had a praying grandmother. Like my grandmother used
to always pray. She used to always pray, Man. And
I remember going through my fifth surgery and they about
to push me into the hospital room and my grandmother
stopped the bed. She stopped the bed and she gave
me this look. She was like Trail. That's what she
called me, Pete. She was like, Trail, you think God
(08:51):
can heal you? And I looked at her. I ain't
about to say no, but she give mom. She giving
me that look like do you believe?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (09:02):
And I'm like yeah, because it can't happen without you
believe most definitely.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
So I remember I went to surgery, man, and I
came out in What was so crazy is to where
grandma and used to let nobody stay at the hospital.
It's real talk. So but my grandmother used to have
a snowing problem, and I remember, Man, because only one
person could stay in the hospital. I remember she used
to sleep on the couch and something happened different than
(09:26):
that happened in years. The medicine wore offed me my feet.
I started feeling the tingling in my feet again. And
so I'm trying to reach over there to Grandma because
I'm seeing like I didnet got healed. Man, I dodn't
touch Grandma. Yeah, I didn't touch Grandma. Told she wake
up like a man. That's how that's the first miracle
(09:47):
that I ever saw.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Man.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
And like, coming from where I come from, you know,
the hood, Man, this made me the biggest gangster.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
You know, like I'm thinking, I'm about to get out, man,
and I'm you know, I'm about to be the biggest gangster.
And that's what I did.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Man.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
And so so that transitioned you. Although it was a
positive thing, it liter firing you. That transitions you into
what like at that point, we're real gangster, gotcha?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Like I begin to talk out, Yeah, I'm outside.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Yeah, it's like out, let's finish.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
It's up.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I'm outside now. Now I done got my rank. Hold
you at fifteen or fifteen, I'm fifteen. I'm fourteen, about
to be fifteen.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Now I got ranked.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
I'm you know, I didn't survive the forty four magnum.
I'm slanging I everywhere.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Drugs.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Yeah, I'm slaying drugs. I'm slinging drugs. Then at nine,
ten years old, like were starting young. Once you came
back outside fifteen, Now i'ms jacket okay, So I became
I became a jack boy. I'm doing kickdolls, kidnappings, like
this is what I'm known for. This where I get
the name dunk it from this what don't come from Dunky?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Gotcha? So I get the adapt the name of Dunky.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Like so the whole city, whole state of Baton, rude,
the whole state of Louisiana knowing donkey, I'm fifteen years old,
but I ended up catching some bodies, get charged. Me
and my father probably get charged with some arm ribbers,
some bodies at fifteen years old. Fifteen years old, they
tried us as an adult now in Louisiana. This is
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why I like dog in the yard because it's different.
On this platform, you get a chance. And this is
what I admire about what y'all doing, bro, because we're
watching this from a distant from a distance the real
ones and understand the language of what's being spoken on here.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I can't know anywhere speak about this unless.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
You didn't have the experience and walked and dogged on
that yard. Can't know anybody come to dog in the yard.
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, like I understand that
I dogged the yard man and so walked, yes man,
And so fifteen man, I get sentenced to life plus
ninety years. Go to trial and in Louisiana, Man, it's different,
(12:04):
like I ain't never beat like it's slavery days. Ain't
no winning like and when I say ain't no.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Winning, like, I don't even have a clue.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
So like it's it's to where they don't play. There's
no plan.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
By the rules.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
So I'm fifteen years old at this time, man, Like,
we don't have no money. So for y'all, no boosie,
that's my man, Like I come from that. This is
the family that we come from, Boosy, we sisters kids.
This is my main man. This is my man at
this time. He ain't no rapper. We don't got no
money for no lawyer. I'm just knowing, like, don't tell
(12:42):
whatever you do, you got to take your leak. So
we go in there, we go to trial. So when
we go to trial, I go to trial with a
public pretender, you know public, they pretend to defend you,
but it's just me and my fall partner keeping it solid.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Man.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
And so they railroaded us. Man, They didn't let us
cross examined, no witnesses, none of this man, and so
my mom them fall out in the courtroom. The racism, Yeah, racism, man,
like it's whites against black Like, no blacks in power
that can cause no shot. If a black person in
power down there, they don't have a voice, and so
(13:20):
you have no win. So our prison is ninety eight
percent black. Some of them is one hundred percent. How
we go in these prisons and we saw different nationalities
up here, Pete, that's not like that in Louisiana.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Like you go on these pots everybody black.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Everybody got tired, everybody like, So the conviction rate is
nine times out of ten, you getting convicted. And so man,
we blue trial, we blue trial. They try me as
a doult I get we get arrested, tried, sentenced to
life plus ninety years without the benefit of probation and parole.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
There's no parole, got you.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
So I was sentenced to die. We were sentenced to
die within a year. So like what within a year,
I get picked up sign sealed delivery within the year.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I'm here.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I'm in the penitentiary. Man, I'm in penitentiary. I go
to Angola, man, And so what's so real about Angola
is you hear about all of these stories coming up.
You know, you hear the old heads on the block
talking about Angola. You may get one that then did
forty years. He come home, he been to Angola. So
you know about Angola in Gola and Gola like this
(14:36):
is one of the largest bloodiest prisons in the world.
So here I was man chained to a guy that
got three hundred and some years.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I'm little, I'm on my way up the road.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
I got life plus ninety years, and I make it
to Angola, and Gola is long road to where you.
The ending of it is just a sign with Louisiana
State Prison. And that's where I ended up at.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Got you.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
So I go to this prison, man, I.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Go to the yard. Peek.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I go to the yard and like you frushy young,
and I'm young, You've got life plus a ninety.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
I mean, you're going a lot of shit going through
your mind.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
And so I'm thinking, because I'm hearing these stories. But
I'm about my business, like I get straight off the
bus and get straight to it. I jugged me something
first day because I'm young, I'm bright, I got cat eyes.
I'm young, I'm a little boy. I'm knowing one thing.
And then you get off. It ain't gola. You know,
(15:34):
when you hit the yard, they on the yard, so
you you fresh, everybody looking at you.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I had never experienced nothing like this. Man.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I wasn't no jail guy. I was just somebody off
the street that was wild. But I ain't know this
part of it. Like right now, you know how how
they wilding now? They don't show them what we just
saw today. You know, they got them switches and stuff.
They don't see what.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
We just saw.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
They don't see people doing forty fifty years crying off
for one mistake. And so that was that was my story.
So man, I ended up in this prison, man to
where I get out and get straight to the business man,
because I meant that I was gonna I was gonna
make a name for myself. Man, And so that's what
I did win in this prison. And but the thing
(16:23):
about it is the difference where that goal is there's
no hope nobody going home. Nobody ain't talking about home.
Nobody can escape. Nobody ever escaped and got away. You
working in the field for three center hour. That's why
I got these gristles still on my hand. You working
(16:45):
for three center hour. You get up every day, you
working in the field. You it's so hot out there.
The horse is falling out, damn like it's so it's
it's you see feel doing what you saw the moving life,
because you watch the move. Yes, it's exactly like life, Pete.
It's no different how you saw them on life. That's
(17:08):
how it is today. It ain't no, it's no difference.
You go in there and you're working in the field.
You got the man on the horse with the gun
that's following you with slavery days got you got the
you got the houseboy, he on.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
The front running the line.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
So it's this this our everyday life, man. And so
that's your everyday life, My everyday life man.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
So it's no library. So they got them, but they
got the libraries in there. Or who you go file to.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Ain't nobody going home.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Right because it just as you mentioned a minute ago.
Even if you got you know, black politicians, they don't
really have the power understanding now, so we understand that
context and when you can't with how you how you
developed into the individual you you became, and how you
find yourself yourself inside of the car stole setting right,
(18:03):
So talk us. So there had to be a beacon point,
a point where there was a shifting a turn right,
tell us about that. So, man, like, what's what's so
unique about my story is to where I really saw
God do a miracle in my life. It's real talk
all and it came from esteemed from what I saw
(18:23):
my grandmother do. I used to watch Mom and them
pray when mama getting beat on, when we ain't had
no food.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Mama used to pray. I used to watch this. I
come up watching them struggle, but they would pray. And
that's one of the things that I held on going
into this place to where I see everybody dieing there.
Like some of our jobs we digging graves at the place,
at the place in the prison. Some of our jobs
was tom we straight digging grave. So you wake up
(18:53):
in the morning, you dig the grave. Later on that
day you're gonna see a black carriage coming down there
with the casket in there. Because people dining in there.
And if they don't, if they don't identify your body
in seventy two hours, you going in one of them. Great.
And so what click for me is so I did
(19:17):
all together. I did eleven years. I did eleven years
all together.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Man.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
But what click for me is to where.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I just start praying in there.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Man.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
I cried out to God, you know, like I literally
sit in that cell and I cried out to God.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
One day.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
I'm like, man, God, like I need your help. I
don't seen mom and them get out the impossible. It's
one of my impossible situations, like I don't seen it.
And so they had this old head come to me
one day man, because I was still wilding in there.
And this may be for some of the ones, I'm
still getting it in. Yeah, Man, I'm staying.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
On locked down.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
I'm on the box in kemp J kim J.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Like is our lockdown? I was said m J.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
So every time I'm coming off of lockdown, I'm getting
in trouble, man, going back in because this is all
I knew. This is what my environment had birth. I
became this, I became this monster. I had this reputation
that I had to.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Live up into survival. You know what I'm saying, You.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Know how to go man, and and and so I
did it and so, but what stuck with me? Man?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
One day old head.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Come to me. He was like, he was like, hey, dunk,
He say, I see you be praying and you won't
God to do great things for you, he say, but
your behavior got a shift and that did something from me.
Like that did something for me, man, And so I
started just applying and start reading. I start seeing myself
(20:55):
what I'm at today, Like I start seeing this person today.
And at this time, it's when Boosie would come visit
me and rap. He would rap and say, Man, I
like I think I could rap, he'll rap. So I
remember he we end up sending them to the people
(21:16):
that he ended up signing with. But he started in prison,
skipping school. Come and see me in prison, Like, because
this is my little cousin. I grew up in the
same house.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
This my man and one day Man were reading. I'm reading.
I get a newspaper in there.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Shout out to Boosy, Man, stand up, you got some
peoples out in New York.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Man.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Next time you come you over.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
You know, we outside straight up. Man, so man and
so man.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
That's what I ended up reading the newspaper, Man, and
my name popped up in a newspaper, something that had
never happened. The case. The court overturned my case without
me even knowing prayer, the power, prayer, power prayer, without
me and even knowing my fall partner, I would prayer,
(22:04):
and so I ended up getting a new trial going back.
The only thing different, Man, Now, I'm my mindset had
to shift. I had to been praying for two things.
This high priced lawyer, Lenny Perez, he charged five hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
He took my case for free.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
They're talking about miracles. These are the things that happened
in the box. Like when you in there in the yard.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
You know when you be needing to come through and
you can look back. I know y'all got them situations.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
The man was talking about that going in there, Man,
And so I went back. They offered me ten years
credit for time serve and I took it. Man. So
that's how I ended up coming home out of that prison.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
So we know we did never come home. So we
know we know you here now, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
I ended up coming home in two thousand and six,
two thousand and six. Okay, talk to us about that.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
So here now we know you here, talk to us
about that transition, that mindset ship.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
So this the thing about it. Man, when I come home.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
So you know how it is before you're about to
get out that box. Man, I got a vision, you know,
because I done told God, you get me out of this.
I ain't gonna do it no more. I got a vision.
You know, my life had them pretty much change what
I thought. But at this time Boost had to blew up.
He this big rapper number one song, wipe me down.
(23:30):
So it's up. I'm in every song, you know, like
they waiting on me to come home. Man, They waiting
on me at the gate with a bens and a
whole lot of money. So man, my vision went one way, man,
and we too at the world man. And so in
the midst of me tour in the world with Boosy,
Boosy ended up catching eight murder charges. And so Boosy
(23:51):
ended up getting charged with eight murders.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Everybody left them.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Everybody left them but me the fist hitting everybody, hitting
all the houses and everything. At this time, I'm in Atlanta,
is hitting my house. Boosie on death row in Angola
hadn't got fund this, how louisianna is he get charged
go to Angola, not the parents jail. They send them
straight to the penitentiary without being convicted or nothing, because
(24:19):
they thought they was gonna get a conviction.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
So everybody left for man. Man Boosy went against the
state and won. One.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Congratulations to that stand up boozy talk man. So we won,
beat those bodies man and moved to Atlanta. I was
already there, and in the midst of us doing this, Man,
I had an encounter with God and changed my life. Man.
Nice I gave God Yes.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Nice, I gave God yes.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
And the rest being history.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Man, So what you're doing today?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
So now I'm a pastor in Atlanta. I get a
chance to serve the struggle though, Man, I get a
chance to go in pre is all over the world.
A lot of the people that's in the industry they
go to, especially around my way, like the booses, the
wife and looting them. They're popping them, you know, all
(25:13):
of the ones that come up. Why beating them down
my way? They saw my they know what it was
to not and then on the yard and I serve
a lot of prisons. You know, my heart and the
prisons because I've been there.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
It's good. You know, you segued into prisons. What do
you think about restorative justice?
Speaker 4 (25:32):
And I think that one of the things that I
think for sure is that is needed because that's something
that they don't give enough attention to, especially across the board,
like what.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
We saw in New York.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Your prison is bad, but when you go down south,
it's a whole another level. Like how y'all have at
least I opportunity to get programs. There's no programs down
there at all at all. Like you gotta fight for everything.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
You waiting to die.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
So you're waiting to die, man, Like it's really like
the fartiest you know what I'm saying. And so I
think that I think that what needs to happen is
they need to shed more light on it. They need
to send more help. You like them brothers need help
behind that wall.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Man.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
So that's what my heart had to him, definitely. So
straight up, I've.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Been home now seventeen.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Consistent, strong, seventeen doing guard's work.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
You know what it is, man, Gangs has changed, that's
changed too, you know what has changed too?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Man?
Speaker 4 (26:45):
And so This is why I love whether I'm seeing
the work that y'all doing, appreciate it because we're doing
it from the same place, just a different address.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
And we're doing a collaborative right there. You know, we're
doing it. We collaborate.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
By the way, He's part of dog in the yacht up.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
You know, that's what we do, all my guys, that
we run around, you know, with creating these changes and
and and and and and and taking our time and
going out to these jails, these prisons to deliver the word.
You know what I'm saying, Not only God, but you know,
just just us as a whole going to the prison
and just to just to get see we could get
(27:22):
a mind a mindset different, different mindset, that mindset shifting. Yeah, exactly,
you know what I'm saying. Just so we working, you know,
we we we're doing. I'm doing something I never thought
i'd do for real, you know what I'm saying. So
it's like it's a blessing for us to all be together,
you know, and able to go to prison, to the
jail to aspire to you know, you know, uplift the
(27:43):
brothers that they knew they needed. Yes, you know what
I'm saying because we we know the feeling I'm and.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
It's one thing.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
It's one thing when you can this, this would always share.
It's one thing to go into a prison and speak,
because I do it. I do it on a level
to where it's great and impact is made. But it's
another thing how we move and take over the whole
prison like it's different. And especially when you can go
(28:13):
to them same brothers that you worked out with them,
same brothers that you know toune. They like man that
they call you out their sale because you getting busy.
They like hold up like these and to come back
as us now though, so they can see.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Like hold up.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
If they can do it, I can do it. Like
there is hope man and soul man. There's nothing greater
than this, nothing.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Andre Norman Academy of Hope.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Yeah, the Academy of Hope. You transformative program. You're taking
a different, different, different on New York State facilities. Give
brothers the opportunity to see that anything they can imagine
they can do right. So it's about mindset shifting. It's
about understanding that where you are at today is that's
not where you need to where you have to be
at tomorrow. That's not where you need to be at tomorrow,
(29:04):
right understanding that is a greater purpose in life. But
Dog in the Yard is about building community, building community
on this side of the wall, and building community on
that side of the wall, and connecting and given resources
to individuals that want something more for themselves. We believe
in putting your own work in around here. So yo, listen,
dunk Man rules little booze straight up.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Man, oh man, I love it, man. I think that.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
One of the things that I know about it is
it worked. I'm evident you know what I'm saying. And
I think that they we don't we don't have. I
think that we don't have enough of us doing it.
And when I say us those that was dogs in
the yard, you got something that that that may be
(29:55):
doing it. But I'm talking about the ones that was
dogs in the yard in.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Fact exactly what those that really matter that can make
that impact.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Most definitely, because it's difference.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
There's a difference between Because you get that, I'll get that.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
It's a difference, a.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Difference, man. And so I think the shift of what's
happening now is a is a great thing man, and
I think that things take time and the impact of
what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Shout out to all the Louisiana.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Man, let me just talk. Shout out to my people, man,
Shout out to the entire Louisiana. The boot, every prison,
d C, I hunts way. Man, y'all already know what
it is.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Man.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Listen, we dogg in the yard way up here in NYC.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Man, facts, talk about it, talk about it.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
So now let's talk about what's so.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
What's your experience in New York? Man?
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Man, it's crazy when I tell you, man, everybody is moving.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
It's bigger than big. You know.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Now I understand where when I meet people, when I
meet people that's from here and they come down south,
when I meet people that's here and they come down south,
Now I see why y'all'll be mentioning. I got you definitely,
so man, New York, the city of Lights, New York. Man,
(31:22):
it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Man, it's been a blessing.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
But man, I ain't never saw nothing like this.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Ship. The whole day that.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
You see this ship, because I know from what we're from,
we see it from a distance. When when when what
they're showing us from a distance, Man, they sugar coating directly,
we get a chance to get in the heart of it.
I'm walking down hall them. I'm all in Brooklyn. You
know what I'm saying For me, Man, I'm the drenches
as well.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Man, Like take me there.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
I understand times, squad, but man, I need to see
where it's popping at. Man.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
You know, but.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Man, there's just a whole problem outside.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
So we're gonna hit the good areas. We're gonna hit
every area is good to me.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
In fact, we're gonna take your away if you can
see anything.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
It's been down though.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Man, it's been. It's been, it's been. It's been great.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Yeah, we appreciate you showing up, great man, giving brothers
the inspiration, giving brothers that spiritual that spiritual energy, that's
spiritual boost that's always necessary to count the conquer adverge situation.
So definitely want to shout you out and thank you
for that. One more thing to before he goes. What's
one of the worst things you've seen in your time?
And cut read that that never left your thought. I
(32:41):
forgot to ask.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
You that, man.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
One of the things that stick with me, man, is that.
So when I went to Angola, we went there. They
tried a couple of us as an adult, and all
of us went there with a life sentence, so.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
It was about four of us.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Every one of us went there with a natural life sentence,
and we got shipped there together. So I remember we
used to be having these conversations about Angola. What is
going to be like when we get there, So we'll
kick it and be like, man, you better go there
and fight.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I knew what I was gonna do.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
When I got off the bus, and I did that.
I stood on business. But they had this one young
man man that went there. This was my man man.
He went that man and they got this thing and
ain't golda to wear because it ain't penitentiary no more.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
It's pay attention.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
So they got this play that they run to where
it may be two of them when you come through.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
The door, and if you a young boy, they'll come
to you like they know the law.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
So you will have one of your men sitting on
their bed with all them law books while your other
man cut in to them. My man was green, so
they cut into him like you know what your case is?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
He tell them about their case.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Boom boom, boom boom, boom, and so he give them
their paperwork because they promised him that they could get
him home because he ain't got no lawyer. Or what
they did was they filed this paperwork and bought him
from ever going being able to follow again. So when
they borret him, that means that he could never go home.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
You see what I'm saying. They bored him. They got
his paperwork. Yo.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
So now I'm telling you so now what they're doing
now they got life.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
He got life.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
So every day they about to work on him. And
so man, it touched me. Man, they gave him a
knife and they kept a knife, and but it wouldn't
he wouldn't about that, so he gave a knife back.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Man, he ended up becoming you know.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
They raped him and so man, they ended up turning
them out. Man, and that messed me up, man, because
I saw this.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
You know what I'm saying. I saw this.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
I saw this. I saw this, man, So that was
one of the worst.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Things that I saw in now because but life was
turned forever.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Thanks for sharing that.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Yeah, it was real talk like that's you know, that's
what goes on behind I always ask that because it's important.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
It's imperative that these brothers out there, brothers and sisters
out there know what's going on and this actually happens,
what does happen.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
And that's why we need to support our people in
those situations. Right open the eyes of our people in
those situations so that we don't find that. And whether
it be in Baton Ruge or whether it be in
Louisiana or New York State or New Jersey or California,
the individuals are not being taken advantage of because they
got support right individuals. Talk to them so they can
(35:36):
open their eyes and be mind for the predators that's
in those environments as well as in these streets.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Real talk with that. We're gonna close it out.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
My bro Dunk from Louisiana, Baton Rugeiana.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
You know your boy pistol.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Dog in the yard, your boy tone b X tone.
We hear doing the good work.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Having you man, Dunk, Pete Man. What we're gonna do
something different?
Speaker 5 (36:05):
Give us a little prayer, man man, Let's do it, y'all.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Let's get it God.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
We just say thank you, thank you for this moment.
We speak blessings over Dog in the yard. We speak
blessings over everybody that will watch this, and our prayers
that you make a decision to never make it to
that yard.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
And so we thank you her name. We pray a man.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Let's get it.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Up with Up, with up your boy, b X tone,
Dog in the Yard. I want to thank Dunk for
coming through Baton Rules Louisiana. You got life plus ninety years,
did his time, came home. But what I want to
emphasize is the prisons Louisiana are totally different from the
prisons of New York. As he stayed in inside of
his interview, those prisons in Louisiana are similar.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
To like the movie Life.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
It's not like New York where you're doing it this way,
you're doing it that way, You're doing that way. It's
almost like being on a plantation. But the bottom line
is that he made it out of it through a
middleicle guard.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
He home. He's doing good work.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
He visiting the prisons, giving brothers hope, and he's doing
what he gotta do with that. I close out Dog
in the Yard, b X Tone, Until next time, We'd alive.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
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