August 25, 2025 • 39 mins
Charlie B’s story is raw, unfiltered, and straight from the heart of the struggle. Growing up in an environment where survival meant adapting to the streets, he faced arrests, gang life, and prison sentences before he even understood how the justice system worked.
Locked up on Rikers Island, Charlie taught himself criminal law from the law library fighting his own case and negotiating his sentence down from 10 years to 7, representing himself “pro se” against the system. Before that, he had already done nearly 2 years in DFY, 6 years in prison for armed robbery, and multiple parole violations. He beat 5 counts of attempted murder on two different occasions and survived both the streets and prison.
Charlie B has worn many titles: crack baby, gangsta, big homie, drug dealer, scammer, pimp, robber, rapper, actor, and even his own lawyer. But today, he wears the title of Father, CEO, and Author. He is the founder of HatBoy Records, LLC and a co-founder of Mentoring Young Rising Achievers Kids Inc. (MYRAS KIDS INC) a nonprofit dedicated to at-risk, justice-impacted youth and families.
This is The Lil Homie Story a testimony of survival, growth, and redemption.
Locked up on Rikers Island, Charlie taught himself criminal law from the law library fighting his own case and negotiating his sentence down from 10 years to 7, representing himself “pro se” against the system. Before that, he had already done nearly 2 years in DFY, 6 years in prison for armed robbery, and multiple parole violations. He beat 5 counts of attempted murder on two different occasions and survived both the streets and prison.
Charlie B has worn many titles: crack baby, gangsta, big homie, drug dealer, scammer, pimp, robber, rapper, actor, and even his own lawyer. But today, he wears the title of Father, CEO, and Author. He is the founder of HatBoy Records, LLC and a co-founder of Mentoring Young Rising Achievers Kids Inc. (MYRAS KIDS INC) a nonprofit dedicated to at-risk, justice-impacted youth and families.
This is The Lil Homie Story a testimony of survival, growth, and redemption.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Being about Wood's Burgers and all that that was real
in my life. I remember being three years old and
my uncle he had a lexus, I believe, and I
remember him that saved me on his lot, you know,
like a kid dropping a steering wheel. And I couldn't
actually remember being in that caravan in real life. So
when I saw the movie, it was like a like
a matrix. It kind of blew my mom because I
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was a teenager when I saw it, and I'm like, old, well,
that's real shit, that really happened. I was a baby there,
you know. Of course a lot of people don't believe it,
but the people that know who my family was, they, oh,
you know, I could see you being a baby there
because he had you outside with him.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
So it tapped into you emotionally where it was it
like like an emotional draw to it, and it kind
of you know, kind of I could see it on
earth is some type of feelings or what have you?
So talked to us up, like talk to us a
bit about that, like you know, different things that you
experienced that pulled on you emotionally.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I remember I was verbally a bruised as a kid.
So the family that raised me on. They used to
say shit like, that's why your mom's crackhead. You know
what I'm saying, you gonna be just like your mother.
And I'm a little kid, so I was told that
my first words were versus gotcha? So you know, I
think that that was my way of defending myself. God you,
as a kid, I didn't have anybody to protect my
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innocence from me. And you know, a lot of that
stuff happens, you know what I'm saying. You have kids
that come into this world, they're kind of abandoned, and
you know, they not treated well, and they grow up,
you know, with kind of dysfunctions and people wonder, you know,
what's going on with this person? And back then it
with no real or psychiatrists or psychologist establishment.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Or you didn't have access to it.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Right, So that's basically you know what I'm saying, what
you're saying, and all that's understandable. You know, we're gonna
get to the other parts of it. But I definitely
love where you're at now. So I know that you,
you know, to a degree, you begin to overcome some
of those obstacles and resolve from it to a degree.
So tell us about you know, the first time you
you know, you been begin to get in trouble and
what that looked like.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I try to say it's like everybody else story, but
you know, everybody didn't have the same story, Like my
story started off similar to I feel like a lot
of people I don't call novege in school lights, things
like that. And on the first time I ever got arrested,
I actually or I did something real, you know, ignorant.
I told the girl, you know s indeed, little girl
you know, she told her family told him, and they like, yo,
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you're gonna get him arrested. And I got arrested sexual harassment.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I was in school, in school.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I came out of school two thirty three o'clock from school,
let out, and police was the away from me. I
was like the first kid from my neighborhood to get arrested.
And on that changed, like everybody love, you know, it
impacted a lot of other people, made them feel like, dang,
we gotta go to jail, because you know, Charlie Be
went to jail, gotch.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
We were all kids, you know what I'm saying. So
what happened after that?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
How did that cause some type of spiral or upliftming
or like you know what happened after you and defining
yourself in jail just for using work. You said some
things to the young girl, they call the cops on you,
and you find yourself in the bad set of circumstances
and handcuffs.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Like how did that change your life?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
It changed my life drastically. On They sent me back and.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Forth to court for like six months. They gave me
juvenile probation and at that time, shoot me.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Ship. That must be all going to jail for some
ship like that? Yeah, man, that's at that team at
that time, twelve years old and at that time an era.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
And I want to say apologize, you know, to that
young lady you know today or as a man, you
know what I mean. I was a kid, you know
what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, I'm amiliated and barrass you know.
And I don't you know, but I grew up in
the w w F era, you know what I'm saying.
But they was like the sucking and all that, you know,
that was my error.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Shit back and you was learning from your environment, what
was aaring? You was learning and then you were regurgitating.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Everybody in my we always doing that and me I
was just wildly like you know what that's indeed like
you know, little stupid kids, and that she got me arrested, bro,
and that led into a whole bunch of you know,
I went to spoff with Horizon, you know, violated my probation.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
And then what year was this?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I got arrested in nineteen ninety nine, sonet nine. I
was like twelve years old then I really I really
hit spot was like two thousand and one, early two thousands,
you know what.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
So gotcha?
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, So after that incident, you know, you know what
took place, what was taking place in your life to
end up leading to I mean, I don't know. I
know you told me that you've had, you know, a
few different instances. You just explained one just now. But
after that, like what was your trajectory like like leading
you to you know, to prison?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
It was just like crazy, Like you know, once once
I got on probation, it was like I was a
part of system forever. It's like since then, I've been
on probation role from the age of twelve, Yes, sir, right,
you know what I mean, It's just been a continuous cycle.
Once I was released from that situation.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
It was like I thought I was a man, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I started getting involved with you know, gangs and different
shit in the streets, and you know, I thought I
was a man. I had electronic incubration on bro fifteen
years old, running around you know what I'm saying, to
be and then on and trying.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
To be gangster.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
And it was glory because my teachers they couldn't believe it.
They're like, yo, how you got an incubation on? Like
and making me show everybody. So once I start showing people,
they were amused by it. So now every time I
walk past the girls, they're giving me extra highs and
buzes up bing and that.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
You know what I'm saying, Almost like a badger honor
to have an ankle braces a little hot.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah yeah, but that is real.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Ship.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
So your last standing of incarceration like that you just
came home from, like you know, maybe tell us what
led up to that and to tell us like how
you know you had like some type of mindset shift
while you was inside, you know, behind the wall or whatever.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah, like, yo, I went through mad craziness beloved, like
we all have.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
It's crazy how people look look look up to certain ship.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Yeah, you know, environs, environments like it's like he had
an ankle brasist so he's the coolest one in the building,
not knowing the ship that you've been through.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Fuck, no, you know what I'm saying. You far from
being the coolest motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
The most stupidest mom, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
But I thought I was living all the cool g
sweaters with the braslet like, and.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
That ship made me, you know, it went to my head.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
But you know when I when I was inside, when
this last situation.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
So you finally went to jail, Yeah, at to prison.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
My first time I went to prison was for robbery.
Rob Okay, I got six years.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Okay, So you went to the island, Yeah, okay, it's
not the first time on island.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
That was my first song first after DF How was that?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
How was that experience going to the island?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
That was crazy too.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
When I was on a bus, I had to put
in my mom like your older dudes, that's in there.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
It's the same niggas is in the street.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
So I'm not about to go ahead and be pussy
because I wasn't pussy out there.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
So that was my mom set.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I'm trying to say, what what kind of you know,
drop me through because I wasn't with it, Like you
wasn't gonna come at me with nothing. I'm ready to fight,
I'm ready to do whatever. And then I had a
lot of dudes from my neighborhood. They were already incarcerated.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
They was somebody.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
So it was like like, you know what I'm saying,
you got there, We're building. You went to straight to
the four Building. And for those that will know about
Right As Island with that, it's that that are in
different states that will know because you just playing to
what's right As Island.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, Right As Island is it is the most dangerous
security prison in New York City.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
It's your city jail.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
It's a city jail.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
It's our New York City Jailah.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
The four Buildings where they put their adolescents at.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
So that's where you went at.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, straight there, okay man?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
That was that was crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Like as soon as I went there the first week,
I brooked my I broke my wrists and all that,
you know, punching.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
In in his face.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
For some sneakers, because I had the protack his room
that used to take anybody sneakers an intake on police CEOs.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
So you know, first week.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I'm I ain't about to wait for my peoples come
bring me some sneakers. That shit probably gonna take two months,
and then I'm I'm gonna pressed because I'm young.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I'm like, I'm going to be flowers. I'm knocked the
out of uptowns and tickets uptown and break my finger.
I met your man catching over, okay in that same house, Well,
catching over, that's my man shout the casting over free.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Cash really right? So what was that process like? While
you were there? You trying to you trying to level
up a little bit so you could be comfortable. Right,
How long you was there? How long you was on
the island before before you know, you transitioned.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I was on your for like six months at that time.
What was that experience? Like? M Like I said, it
was crazy man, like, you know, because my family ain't
have no bread to bail me out, give me a day.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
What was a day like for you on on an island? Like,
because it's a crazy experience. And when you say that,
that's what people hear, but they don't really know how
to imagine it, right, So give us a day, Yeah,
give us a day. What's a day like? That's a
day you could go, you could go. You could give
us a quick synopsis of them. But give us a day.
On a child breakfast, come on out on a count
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in the morning.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
You sleep and knocked out on a count. What's early
in the morning, five o'clock? Love it? Some jails is
six o'clock, now, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
But some of them want you to be up before
the count, so you could put there for what you
want for the day for the go around.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
So copy, you got to.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Be up and ready or get your water, you remember,
because sometime to give out a hot water earlier in
the morning because you can't take a shower from jails.
You can't take a shower every day, right, you know
what I mean? So you got to have hot water
in your bucket to wash up like that, you gotta
be up. They walk quite pastial. So after breakfast, then
what we're doing after breakfast, we're going to the yard. Okay,
we're going to the y'all.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Me.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I ain't really you know, I did I got my
GED on the island. So when I went up top,
I ain't having programs, gotch like, I'm going outside of smoking,
you know, do whatever the hell of homies is doing.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
So when you was on an island, you was going
up to the school building and see seventy four to
work on your GED.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, I got my GD on the island. Bright and
how long? Like what time? What time of the day
was that? What time would you go there? We had
to go on the daytime. So we're talking about back
when I was adolescent. Yeah, we would go to school
every day. But it was lit too, because we banging
on the school floor. We're seeing you know, our big
ops and you know dudes from other clicks and gangs,
and you know they did they lit too.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
They're not scared. They that's Charlie.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
But I'm gonna punch him in his face. He with
them niggas, you know, or they trying to cut me.
I'm trying to cut them.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
It was the reason why I asked you that because
we got a lot of the younger bros that's looking
at the podcast and Washington podcast, and they figured, y'all go.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
To that Alan is lit.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Dudes got iPhones, I'm chilling, and it's a whole another hit.
When you get to the Allen, you realize that you
only get parts of the story, and you realize this
ain't the place you want to be.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
At all, because like I said, I have my menstam
people that I knew, but when they wasn't around because
you ain't gonna aways be with them, always be in
the house with them. So you got to stand on
your own too. And Nick gonna try you because I
know his man here for a body, but he don't
see what he gonna do. I mean talking about he
won't get on the phone and all this extra shit,
and you're gonna have to go some time. They're gonna
be mad bigger than you. Sometimes gonna be mad niggas.
(10:31):
You're gonna you're gonna ride out or you're gonna be
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
So that's right.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
So then you end up making a transition from from
there and you went up top. But while you was there,
you handled your business. You said you got your ged
while he was congratulations to that, or I mean that
your mind was you know, we had one of the
bros here, uh not too long a or he was
talking about the first thing you do right when you
get locked up.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
It's beginning playing in your release.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
It sounds like you was already you on that, whether
or not you could verbalize it or not by going
to get your Yeah, you was was on by the
time I touched that.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Let me let me mention this though, since we on
that topic. The funny ship is that always was a
small individual, you know what I'm saying. Like growing up,
they had something called the Top Intelligent Class whatever they
called that ship. I was always in that ship from
so a lot of people that knew me growing up,
they were shocked to know that. Yo, you were in
jail and you party, you know, so getting my ged
was easy. He was like, what get my g d hell,
y'all want my ship? Let me get like and I'm
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telling him. He's like, yo, let's go do it. And
you know what's so crazy? My men shot at my
man William still, you know, I mean, they call him shot.
He was like, yo, bro, we both came home home
doing this thing. True, you know what I mean, shoting
my brother and he like, yo, bro, you don't remember
he was on the aland I was fighting in case
and you helped me get my g D. Bro, you
shot and the dying with me facts and you shot,
you got your ship and you sat there studied with me,
and I went, I got my ship, but you was
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already ob north.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I'm like, Yo, I didn't even know that.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
No, Bro, you helped me get my g D. Give
me yo, let me tap.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Into that, because Bro was just talking about building community.
We was just talking about with another one on our
visitors that came to talk or on the podcast, about
what do you do when things seem to be rough,
when you behind the wall and the ged seemed to
be rough and the math problems seemed to be rough.
You gotta tap into somebody that's around you. What you
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just said, a smart dog got more wisdom to get
it done. And that's what y'all did. So that's just
an example of something that we was already talking about.
That's why your emphasis on that that you tap into
the community around you, the dudes that's smart around you,
Because there's a lot of smart dudes around you. You
tap into that community and you get to it. Ain't
no shame with that. I'm going to Charlie B.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Charlie be smart, Charlie be gonna help me get this gedsel.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Fact, you know, the crazy say is that we didn't
know what our fate was gonna because I still was
gonna caught you.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I'm saying. I was a young dud. I had a
coup mad robberies and you know, my man was fighting
a murder.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
So we in the day room, bro, and we didn't know,
like you know what I'm saying, what life would be.
We didn't know at all. All we knew was like, Yo,
we did something we're gonna do. I got to help out.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Bro. Were from the same neighborhood. That's right.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
We grew up together. It's my man six years old.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
That's a fact. That's a food building, you.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Know what I'm saying. Like that ship was crazy both
so it's.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Like you'll health down, that's right.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
So yeah, so when you got up top, so you
transitioned you with up top and all of that. So
tell me about up top. Tell us a little bit
about up top and what that life was like and
some of the.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
First day you in downstair.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yeah, I went to know.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I went to Olster. I had an all number, okay number,
the first bid I had a number. I went the
Oaster oaster is a reception jail that you go to
before you go to your actual facility. So they send
me the oster. I went the oaster. All the homies
out there workout, gotta go work out, gotta come to
the yard. So it was one of those things like
I'm you know, I'm a monst. So it wasn't like, yo,
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just do your time, No, you gotta come out. We
gotta check in, dudes, what you locked up for? It
looked over your eyes and see if you're about that mess,
because he could get nasty out here.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
You they beefing with them over there.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
That's what when you like, when you're involved with a gang,
you gotta make sure you check and check it, make
sure that you offish you and all that before you
got to go out to the yard and ain't out.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
That's a fact.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Sometimes when you gotta be a part of it game,
you still got to check in.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Who's gonna know who is?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
While you're just lingering around, nobody's talking to you, you
know what I'm saying, not me, But so you're not
checking in, that's a bad thing.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
That's good that you're breaking that down though, because we
we you know we I have done so many interviews
and a lot of you know, different gangs, and and
you broke it down a little better. You know what
I'm saying. You broke it down right to the point
like you know that's right what your process was.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
But let me give you as a gang.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
But I'm gonna give you some connectivity with me and
fed with me and peoples of the fans and now
the anybody from New York, b X or whatever. They
had to check it, pull it out, and we were dude,
just pull it out there like yo, listen all so
you have to be a gang.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
It was just what's good with you? That's right. We
want to know what's happening with you. Yeah, you know
what I'm saying. So you know I pulled up and you.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Know that it was like it was you know, you
always got that little timmy because you don't know what's
gonna happen. Be actially, we're not prepared, you know what
I'm saying. So I knew, you know, anything can happen.
I don't got a weapon right now at this moment.
But it was like you got to have the coverage
to put your pins on and say, you know what
I did this clime you know I'm gonna do this time.
I'm gonna go outside, I'm and work out him and
checking them and look men in their face and get
you know what I'm saying, to keep my head up
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high and do this time. And I let this make
me feel like I'm like I'm less than or this
is over. At that time, That's how I felt as
a young man. I'm like, nah, it' still not another chance, right,
let me go outside, me, let me do this what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
It was like getting my weight up. And then they
sent me shake the Green war zones. Talk about that,
right Green? What was Greed War zone?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
That was I know, y'all era was crazy. My error
was still crazy. Y'all went to Green and O fire bro.
You know what I'm saying, And it was totally different
than you know when y'all were there. But for me
to have been in that facility, I'm telling you, we
were still you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
What happened?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And I pulled up and.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
So Green is a is a So we go all
be on the same page. Green is as a median
upstate New York. You know what I'm saying where they
send most of the young others that get incarcerated and
get sentences, they usually just go there.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
So imagine just.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
You know most of that lessons and one I mean
a prison that you know is a compound with the
messholes like probably half a man way, you know, all
kind of shit. So a lot of things was happening, but.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
It's wide open, like your cell door don't get locked
and Zoe Q you got always member.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
You know. The mentality even from the police is different.
They're not on you like they're on you on the island.
Because the seos on the island, he from the he
from Queens or he from the hood, so he be
he'd be up, he'd be hit a little bit on yo.
These two motherfuckers here got beef. I gotta figure this
out up top. It is like they don't give a fuck.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
That one police he's sitting in the booth all the
way down there. Let you go, another police sitting in
the booth all the way down there.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
So whatever happened to you between that point and that point,
that's all.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
You need to have.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
That's a fact. Man. It's a whole totally different things.
So go ahead, man, I would just want to break.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
That, you know, the whole out.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
And I you know that was crazy for me. I
pulled up, you know, never checking what I'm saying. Now,
you gotta checking the game for the brothers that's dead.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
They want to know who you raise.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
No, like, you know, so I had the same thing.
You know, I'm a young brother. I pull up to
the yard.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I'm on. I was on the south side at first.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
No, you know, everything was healthy because you know, I
know how the step. You know what I'm trying to say, bro,
Like I'm a man of been checkerty always sister, young dude,
you know what I mean. I know how to move
the crowd. So I never really had no you know,
crazy instances. Everything that I've been through is always because
it's somebody else, you know what I'm saying, affiliations or
for the most part, you know what I mean, I
always get to you know what I mean. I don't
really got issues with nobody, bro, because I'm a humble dude.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
You I mean, that's the fact. Yeah, it's weird to
be it's weird.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
It's weird like that. I ain't gotta be that's grown man.
That's grown man. Time to say what.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
We're going hand.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
You know that I was able to get brothers together,
you know what I'm saying. And you know, putting in mind,
you did your whole bit green, No, I left Green.
I ended up on blowing the spot.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
I left bring into the box, you mean blowing the
spot with that man.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I ended up popping it off.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Okay, so you got into this.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I got into an incident where we call it a fight,
but I went up there and popped it off. I
attacked somebody, okay, because they did something to to my
main bad news shot at my man, bad news from
Polo Browns, he home tool, shot at you bro, And
I lost my seat all day for this, dude. What
I'm saying, because that's how much I loved them, And
I'm like, what they bust bad news? Head open to
lock in the side.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
What And you know, I.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Felt like, if the man's his man's in them that
still behind, somebody's gonna get it. You know what I'm saying,
You're not just gonna be you know why y'all let
that happen to him? And I went up there and
I popped it off, and then everybody followed suit, all
my mans, and we just start popping all they mens.
It was crazy, you know what I'm saying. It was
like real bad.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Like what year was that?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
This is two thousand and six now, So I was
there for like a year and a half, got you
and I left that, and then I went behind the wall.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Hey, where do you want to?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I went to l micro Okay, how was that? That
was even more crazy because now the violence that we
thought we was doing in the medium, these old niggas
behind the wall, these niggas are psycho paths.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
We think we go psycho paths, but neever we really
meeting the cycle paths because the ship is super calculating,
you know what I'm saying. They playing chests with you
on the whole level level that you wouldn't even believe.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I mean like I've.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Seen I seen dudes, yo, Bro, I seen dudes get
a whole faction of another set of dudes all out
to jail at one time. Bro, somebody was getting touched
in the gym. Somebody was getting touched on me. God,
somebody was getting touched the field house. Somebody getting touched
on the block. It was like lawns everywhere. So police
can't go and diffuse everything. And that was one of
the most craziest because you know, you're in prison, people
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in the street that never been through that, you would
never even think of.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
No ship like facts, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
So I'm sitting back and I'm like, Yo, these are
the niggas that I gotta I gotta get the fuck
out of this shit real.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, real and shit real.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
And I ended up blowing that spot too, bro, bro.
So it was just like you was in a mind
for how long I was there for Like I was
in the like a year.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
And then and then you got into another incident.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Me, I got into another incident. I end up cutting the.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Dude, okay. So now you got on the saw and now
I gotta saw, okay. And then where you want to
go into the box?
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Into the box?
Speaker 4 (20:03):
How was that experience?
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Fie?
Speaker 3 (20:04):
That was another crazy experience.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
So it's just like, you know, trauma after trauma after trauma,
and you just endoring the journey, you know what I'm saying. Like,
I got eighteen months in the box and I turned
that ship into three four years, bro.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
I did the same fucking max out deeper, deeper, deep ship.
They sent me eight It started eighteen months and I
ended up with fucking's doing three years and fuck it changed.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Shit with me. Bro, the thirty one month straight crazy,
thirty one month straight in the box, Bro, and that
ship changed my life. Bro, That sh changed my life
because at first I'm thinking I'm gonna get out and
goa the population, but they made sure you stay in there.
So they say you pulled up and he's like, Yo, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Pistol pee in the spot. And what's my mean?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I get on to get your pistol.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Nigga walked out?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, when you when your gate, Charlie b all right,
going back the level one nigga, the police will write
you up with on your gate, Bro. Bro, Like in
other jails, were they not really on that you're getting
a ticket for what was that? What jail was the
college s block?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
The niggas is mad oppressive. God, you know them, A
lot of them is repressing them spots, Bro. But I
turned that into max out. Bro. But that that right
there was pivotal, pivotal for me in my life because
I taught myself how to start a running business. I
started my own company in the box. I started and
formed a nonproper organization in a box which is running
right now. I wrote and published a book that's out
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on Amazon right now.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
What's the name of the book.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
It's called A Little Homie Story.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Got you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
It's basically about my life and how I, you know what,
became the oars Man by the grace of God, bro,
Because I mean, it wasn't on me. It was I
went through a journey and he pulled me out the
fire and saved me and put me in the mister freedom, Bro,
I could live my life and take care of my kids.
And that's yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
You just the story.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
You you just painted a dynamic picture, right it didn't
you transition into because I don't even have to ask
you about your mindset shifting because you just explained it fast, right.
So as you made it back to the street, tell
me about that, Like, so now you got all this
stuff in the place, and that you make it back.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I've been home a year and a half now.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
But look, it's more to story because that's the first
big okay you think you got to figure out? So
I had all this shit that I'm doing now playing
back then at twenty three years old, and you think
you ready for all the shit that you got in
your mind.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
See prison, prison, I wrote this in my book.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
To prison puts things in your mind and make you
envision things that's not real, so you can envision what
you want to be, you know what I'm saying. And
a lot of niggas freestyle about the nigga they used
to be. You know what I'm saying, and they take
pictures that's not real. So now you came in the
futureistic lifestyle that you're not even ready for that, but
love you, you know what I'm saying. So I came home
to the same thing. Mom's on drugs, family don't got shit,
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and I'm like, you're a grown man now even I'm like, yo,
year was twenty ten.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
In the first bid you five years post release supervision.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
So what my cycle continue was was back then, if
you smoke weed on parole, back then, you was going
to jail. Like now they can't lock you up. You
know what I'm saying. Back then, if you get caught
with a dirty in your ass, was going to jail.
So I had dirty yurines. I ended up catching misdemeaning cases.
I did every single parole violation. Bro ended up doing
the whole five years. So the six years I did
deer five six years, then five years parole every single year.
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You see how you know what I'm saying, It kept
so it was just like crazy belove it.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
It's just been on paper forever. It felt like my
whole life, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
And I continue to make mistakes. But at the same token,
I just had a job, you know what I'm trying
to say.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I still have my music.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It didn't pop off exactly then how I wanted it to,
and I had different things my nonprofit, but I wasn't ready.
You know what I'm saying, Like, you have to be
ready for certain things, feel me, BRO, and I wasn't ready.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Your heart gotta be really in it, you know what
I'm saying, Because the plan could be there and you
can say this and all that. Yeah, I wanna do
this because you know that's what you're doing. I'm gonna
do this now. I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Talk is cheap, you know.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
You know you come home, you gotta be your mindset,
gotta be on that, and your heart gotta be on that.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
No doubt, Bro, And one of the things too. This
is why we're doing my organization. We try to give
a youth recal, you know what I'm saying, because then
that's what it's about. I didn't feel like it was
a lot of resources out there fit for what I
wanted to do, be an entrepreneur, and everything was like
plumbing or you know, you gotta do a vocational you
know what I'm saying. But there was like a lot
of brothers that's come on from prison. They wanted to
be their own you know, they wrote a book. You know,
dudes got labels and and this is our mindset because
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we want to be bigger than just the average nine
to five workers, you get what I'm saying. So I
wanted more than what I my lifestyle will be fitting for.
It was like you gotta go to work, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Say you got a girl with kids, you gotta you gotta,
you gotta face reality. You gotta face reality, you know,
And that's the reality is you gotta come home, you
gotta get a job. You gotta keep that job because
you on parole, you gotta, you gotta. That was the
hardest ship for me, you know what I'm saying. For me,
it's coming home and being on probation from the Fast
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that was like the world. That was the biggest challenge
five years. I'm like, oh, man, know how the fun
I'm gonna do this. I never had a job my life.
I'm like, yeah, you know, and I got to figure
this ship out. They they got me in Brooklyn. I mean,
I'm in Massy Projects at the Halfway House, so I'm
from the Bronx. I'm like, I'm walking two blocks to
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the Jay train passing Massie Projects the hood. Anybody I'm hooking,
I'm like, you know, like I gotta really do this. Man.
It becomes very talented. You know, it's very challenging, you
know what I'm saying. That's why you know, we need programs.
We need we need that knowledge, We need brothers. We
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need to embrace those that come home, you know what
I'm saying, and and and put them positions and help
only if it's in their heart. That's because you know,
we can't we can't. We can't do it. We can't
we go. We can only put it there for you.
You gotta be able to heart.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I think you're the perfect example of speaking about different
things that you were planning to be successful. When you
came home from that first sentence, you were planning it.
But you know, the human addition is about being in
the stay of conflict, right, and so sometimes our hardest
pulling us in one direction, then our mind is pulling
us in another direction. But when we beginning to increase
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our emotional intelligence, in many instances, our heart and our
minds falling sake.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
You said it right then and there, My emotional intelligence
wasn't because you know, I still was hot headed, I
still was ready to go. You you called me, I'm
still ready to pull up. You know what I'm saying.
When when your mind set is still on those type
of things, all of those positive things you say you
want to do, that's not going to come into fruition.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Bro, And the energy is not there.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
It's not there. And once I tapped into that, you
know it was over.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Bro. I took up to the moon. I start accomplishing
a type of ship.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
So, but that's after your second bit.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
After the second bit, I started accomplishing things.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
You know that period you went back how much you.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Did so, like I said, I did the six years valley,
every year, five years of parole.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Oh she did all that.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I did the whole thing, and I came home. I
came home on my son's birthday. So this is crazy
today my son was born. It's like I've been through
so much shit, bro, and straight to the hospital. And
that same year I ended up catching the tent murder
the year my son is born.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Since you've been home.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
No, this is back after I finished that that first
big parole.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
So I was free sun board, my son born, I
got a son.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Everything is lit and you know, a whole that's a
whole nother story, you know, by the grace of guard.
And I was not guilty. I beat the ship, but
you know what I mean, I got charged with the
tenth of murder, Bro, and it was like now it's
back and the tunes back on, Allen Bro, Like you
know what I mean, I went right back into that
cycle of situation. So now I'm just when you go back.
Now I'm getting back into jail, beefs and ship that
(27:37):
I thought I left in the past. And that ship,
you know what I'm saying, boy, continue to follow me.
So now it's like, all right, come here, nigga. Now
I'm catching niggas that you know, if I wouldn't have
never came back to jail.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
I would probably seen them again, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
So now I'm getting back involved in ship and it's
just boom so recycles the same and it keeps your
mindset like now, fuck you, fuck that positive ship. I'm
already going on out, so now you're doing even more
negative ship.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
I'm trying to stay, bro, it was just a fucking
crazy cycle. That's why said I give my grace for
the creative bro for me to you know, to be here.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Right demons, you know the devil was alive, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
So, so tell us about that last bid because that
last bid, that's the one that's that's the transition.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
That's the transition.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Because you've been over a year and a half down,
so tell us about that lasts.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
As long as I've been home. So bro, you know
what I'm saying. So I want to clap for that
for myself. Definitely give you that congratulations.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Better stay home, man.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
It's over.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
It's over for that bro, you know what I'm saying,
not doing.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
He ain't be upping dog and the y'all make this
right here and go back to.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Jail boat and you know, I shot there. It took
for me to lose almost everything. Bro. My mom's passed
away right before I caught the bed, you know what
I'm saying. And during the bed, I lost my little brother.
What I mean, eat bags and eat bags.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Eric, that's my that's my for your losses, bro.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Bro. He helped me put all my music together, you
know what I'm saying, for my label, Half Boy Records, Bro,
and he was my producer. He believed in me from
from the street and I was like, Broke, now we
come on, we're gonna do this. He recorded like over
one hundred songs with me, Bro, and my brother died
when I was locked up, So it just made me
feel like damn. You know what I'm saying, Like I'm
losing everything that I love, Bro, you know, and I
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couldn't see my children, you know what I'm saying, you know,
beefing with the family and just different things like that
that made me say, you know what, Bro, we got
another chance to get out of here. This might be
the only shot you got. Love it, you know, and
which way you wanna go? If you know, don't don't front.
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If we're gonna go do it, Go do that, but
you know that's not what you're supposed to be doing.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Bro. We're getting too many chances.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I mean, people don't get these type of chances.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
And once I took that in heart, you know, I
sat myself, I was a sing, sing and I started
writing my book bro, and I started telling my story.
You know what I'm saying to myself. I was writing
on the tablet, you know what I'm saying, and just
writing my thoughts down and I'm like, you know what
I remember, put out my story out there, bros. I
wanna I want to help. I want to help people.
You know what I'm saying. I want to help my bros.
That that they got the same vision I got and
he got the same heart I got, but they can't
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say it. You know what I'm saying. They everybody so
niggas don't know how to convey it.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
But I was always the one like, nah, Bro, you
know we're doing that, but we could be doing this too,
you know what I mean. But you know when you're
talking that and you not so again, you know what
I'm saying, Like you said, your heart gotta be in it, Bro,
So I learned to put everything else in the garbage. Bro,
And just this is what I'm doing, whether you respect him,
not your two and shut south up all lot. They
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loving it, Bro, They like nah, that's what Bro supposed
to be doing, big going, he supposed to be doing that.
Other shit is over.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
So now you're home what you've been doing?
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Tell us about that journey, yo, Bro?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
So yeah, half great this immediately, you know, got to
put my editing book together. You know, I edited my
finished version of my book immediately published on Amazon.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
So coratulations on that.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Graulations, Bro.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I wish I would have been prepared to, you know,
bring a copy and.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
We should be here. You could come back and visit us.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
All yeah, definitely, man, you know, drop my book on Amazon.
And like I said, you know that the you know music,
A lot of people that is gonna watch this know
me for doing music, They know me for prison, they
know me for the streets, but they know, like yo.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
That boy is a rapper.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
That boy can spit. So immediately I went to booth
and I dropped another mixtape like that ship fired for
all my people that following me.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
You know what I'm saying, but did you besides that,
that's because because that's the past I wanted to do.
That's what you want to do. Your dreams, that's what
you what you love. But what you're really doing to
take care of yourself, that's what I want to know.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
The organization for the youth. So right now, we're self employed.
We got our own non proper organization. I'm executive director
and a master motivational speaker within this organization. I went
to school and became a massive motivational speaker. So I'm
cutified and we're going to court and we're shaving the youth.
We're doing all turn into incarceration. We're doing anger management.
We have a podcast workshop where we teach them how
to do their own podcast, a lot of music studio
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where you teach them how to do music and audio.
We got a lot of producers that's doing that work
with bucks and different duties in Harlem, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
So they rocking with us on our team.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
We got a team of brothers that they was incarcerated
as well, so we you know, we got gang specialists.
We do gang intervintion. Okay, we do violence interruption. These
are all of the list of things that we do
the same to you.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
We're all in the same fings Save industry. Baby. What's
the name of the organization agains. It's called Mirus Kids.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
It's called Mirus Kids Motivating Young Rising Achievers. So y'all
can check us out on lines just type of an
n y r A Kids.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
So what you think about prison reform? Do you think
that's necessary or unnecessary?
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Yeah? It is necessary? And why and how would you
do it? How would I do it? Or give me
the why is it? Why is it necessary? And to
tell me why how would you do It's necessary?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Because the individuals that they have that's running that system,
they have no real concern for the individuals that they
have incarcerated that they're governing. Yeah, this is like their
dogs in the cage. So me, I would change the
people who they hire, like like how they I heard.
I heard you got to go through a process to
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get hired by the FBI. I know this that shit
you have to go through a process where you know
you don't got that painless bull shit in your heart
slave master the mentality you know what I'm saying, before
you could get this type of job. So now you
know people could probably trick the system.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I don't really know how sick work, but that's how
I start. I was starting a person's character because you
got these officers, they killing them, you know, these brothers,
and they gotten dirty.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Now thanks for sharing that.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Now I want to ask them one more thing, so
hear everything you're doing. Of the greatness you're doing, which
is great. Think what those guys, because are you still
like active member your gang member?
Speaker 3 (33:39):
I'm not active like active you know that's define active.
Active means that you're out there.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
You know what I'm saying, You out there still putting
in pain and you you're sewing up when it's time
to go.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Yeah, that's the purfase. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
When you someone like me who you know you've been
a part of the culture for so long. You know
what I'm saying, This is not just a uh how
they try to put it.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
You know what I'm saying, a glwifying thing. You got
a lot of brothers. We'll come to from the same neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
You know what I'm saying, from the same blocks, and
that's how a lot of that stuff is form.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
So what we taught you a community organized.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
You're organizing your community, support your community bringing. So I'm
giving you words because everything you're saying there's words that
conceptualize that.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
So you building your community, organizing your community, giving the
young people guidance, and I want you to keep building
on it. But just think about yourself as a community organized.
I mean that's what I just.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Call myself a real dude that's trying to do real
ship bro that you know, know what's real out here?
Speaker 3 (34:30):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
We need brothers like you. You know you're important. You're
all important, you know what I'm saying, And be happy
to have brothers like you could First and foremost, I
love your honesty, you know what I'm saying. You know
what I'm saying. You came in here, you being yourself.
I can see that's right. I appreciate that ship. You
know what I'm saying. Tone, I know Tone does it
as well. But you know, my thing is in this
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platform is for brothers like you. So you could show
them young brothers out there that, yeah, you could be
a part of something, but this is the life, this
is the way you live it. Yeah, man, I mean,
you ain't gotta you know, I mean, just because your
part of the son doesn't mean you gotta be ruthless.
And you know you gotta be out here. You know
you could you feel me?
Speaker 3 (35:10):
So acts of violences with talk.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
That's why you. I salute you and I appreciate having
you up here because you are when you rep who
you are, you feel me. But you're doing it right
because you're showing those that goes after you, that come
after you, that they don't have to go through what
you go what you went through. They don't got the bank,
they don't got they don't got to do.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
It, don't. We don't got to do none of that, bro, Brothers,
that's going to really show you the way. You know
what I'm saying, and I'm one of them and pe
in what y'all doing. I salute you all too, bro,
because this is a platform that's giving brothers like me
a chance and y'all story too. So it could be
heard not to glorify, so y'all can know you don't
want to go there like you could be on a
fortune five hundred company. You can own your own. Paul Cashu.
We did all that because we felt like it was
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an opportunity as far us. But what I did was
I took my cruel dudes and we made our own LLC.
So that's what we teaching the kids too, how to
be their own entrepreneurs, how to start their own LC
from start to finish. So if anybody out there want
to be a part of that, y'all want to invest
in you from East Hollm, I'm gonna drop the line
of where y'll can higher.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
At us because ye're telling people how to get a
contact game.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
The name my organization is called Mirus Kids. Y'all can
hit us on the internet, you know, just type it
in Mirus Kids is N Y R A K I
D S. I'm the CEO of hat Boy Records. That's
my label, that's my company, you know what I mean.
The name of my book is called A Low Homy Story.
You could type it on an Amazon the L I
L Homie Story. You're gonna see me up there. And
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you know we're just moving, bro. You want to have
your kids a part of it. You gotta have your
kids part of We also caught mandated, you know what
I'm saying. So we were in the court system where
we can go and convey in front of the judge
that you know, this young person or this individual may
not need in custorration.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
They may need cognitive behavioral therapy, or they may just
need you no job services, or they may need mental
health services. You know, incarceration is not always the answer,
because we did so much time that we know that,
you know, the fucked up things that can transpire about
just having somebody there on pre trial like I did
four years straight on my second bid on the island,
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four years during during COVID and all that, and I
thought my case myself as my own lawyer, true, Pete.
That's another thing I wanted to mention as well, that
you brothers and sisters getting locked that you better know.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
The law, because I advocate for yourself.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
I sat there and I had to learn the law
and the little library my bro like and really see
that the things they were trying to.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Do to me wasn't right.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
I had six different legal attorneys because you know, we
ran through all the bread and now you can't really
affil no layers. You spending money this, that and the
thirsd you like, I don't see him try out with
the legal lad and see, I'll give it I get.
I got six of them trying to tell me to
take some time that I know it's not right. So
I learned my case and I fought my case myself.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
But love it.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I acted as my own chance, and I got less knowledge.
Did you know what I'm saying? Then what the attorney
was trying to give me the pleate guilty to them,
I ain't have to give no information up on nobody.
So it's like if you really run a little but
loved you could really you know what I'm saying, And
you know I was. I was, you know, guilty for
some problems and I paid my time for that. Give
what I'm saying. But there was a lot of shit
they didn't trying to do to me that was accurate.
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They're trying to give me forty years. Bro, Nobody died,
nobody drive, no bullets ever flew. You know what I'm saying.
It wasn't a big amount of ship that I feel.
Anybody just say that nigga deserved to get forty years.
You talking about you gonna get me forty years at trials,
I say, he's bugging. I'm gonna fight this myself. Now,
I got my case dropped down dramatically. Belove he pre trial.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
I'm hunger, Bro, Charlie B. Welcome you to the platform.
Dog of the yard. B X toe my bro, Pistol
peet on that we close out. Appreciate you, Bro.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
We're look at me boy, You're looking at my boy.
That was fire dog of the yard.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Yard. Ye you know your boy Pistol p walking back
to the dog in the yard. First and foremost, I
want to thank Charlie B for coming through. Stand up harlem.
We got a real one out there that's doing greatness,
changing lives. I mean, has taken his own experience of
all the trials and trivilegious he's been through in his life,
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and he had converted that into something positive, something reductive.
Yeaut here saving young brothers lives, you know, motivating the youth.
He has a book out that he's publishing right now.
He's working on his craft and we're here to support him.
With that being said, you already know is your boy
Pistol Pete dog in the Yall.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
We' the live shout shining, live shout shot God
Being about Wood's Burgers and all that that was real
in my life. I remember being three years old and
my uncle he had a lexus, I believe, and I
remember him that saved me on his lot, you know,
like a kid dropping a steering wheel. And I couldn't
actually remember being in that caravan in real life. So
when I saw the movie, it was like a like
a matrix. It kind of blew my mom because I
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was a teenager when I saw it, and I'm like, old, well,
that's real shit, that really happened. I was a baby there,
you know. Of course a lot of people don't believe it,
but the people that know who my family was, they, oh,
you know, I could see you being a baby there
because he had you outside with him.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
So it tapped into you emotionally where it was it
like like an emotional draw to it, and it kind
of you know, kind of I could see it on
earth is some type of feelings or what have you?
So talked to us up, like talk to us a
bit about that, like you know, different things that you
experienced that pulled on you emotionally.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I remember I was verbally a bruised as a kid.
So the family that raised me on. They used to
say shit like, that's why your mom's crackhead. You know
what I'm saying, you gonna be just like your mother.
And I'm a little kid, so I was told that
my first words were versus gotcha? So you know, I
think that that was my way of defending myself. God you,
as a kid, I didn't have anybody to protect my
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innocence from me. And you know, a lot of that
stuff happens, you know what I'm saying. You have kids
that come into this world, they're kind of abandoned, and
you know, they not treated well, and they grow up,
you know, with kind of dysfunctions and people wonder, you know,
what's going on with this person? And back then it
with no real or psychiatrists or psychologist establishment.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Or you didn't have access to it.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Right, So that's basically you know what I'm saying, what
you're saying, and all that's understandable. You know, we're gonna
get to the other parts of it. But I definitely
love where you're at now. So I know that you,
you know, to a degree, you begin to overcome some
of those obstacles and resolve from it to a degree.
So tell us about you know, the first time you
you know, you been begin to get in trouble and
what that looked like.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I try to say it's like everybody else story, but
you know, everybody didn't have the same story, Like my
story started off similar to I feel like a lot
of people I don't call novege in school lights, things
like that. And on the first time I ever got arrested,
I actually or I did something real, you know, ignorant.
I told the girl, you know s indeed, little girl
you know, she told her family told him, and they like, yo,
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you're gonna get him arrested. And I got arrested sexual harassment.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I was in school, in school.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I came out of school two thirty three o'clock from school,
let out, and police was the away from me. I
was like the first kid from my neighborhood to get arrested.
And on that changed, like everybody love, you know, it
impacted a lot of other people, made them feel like, dang,
we gotta go to jail, because you know, Charlie Be
went to jail, gotch.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
We were all kids, you know what I'm saying. So
what happened after that?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
How did that cause some type of spiral or upliftming
or like you know what happened after you and defining
yourself in jail just for using work. You said some
things to the young girl, they call the cops on you,
and you find yourself in the bad set of circumstances
and handcuffs.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Like how did that change your life?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
It changed my life drastically. On They sent me back and.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Forth to court for like six months. They gave me
juvenile probation and at that time, shoot me.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Ship. That must be all going to jail for some
ship like that? Yeah, man, that's at that team at
that time, twelve years old and at that time an era.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
And I want to say apologize, you know, to that
young lady you know today or as a man, you
know what I mean. I was a kid, you know
what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, I'm amiliated and barrass you know.
And I don't you know, but I grew up in
the w w F era, you know what I'm saying.
But they was like the sucking and all that, you know,
that was my error.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Shit back and you was learning from your environment, what
was aaring? You was learning and then you were regurgitating.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Everybody in my we always doing that and me I
was just wildly like you know what that's indeed like
you know, little stupid kids, and that she got me arrested, bro,
and that led into a whole bunch of you know,
I went to spoff with Horizon, you know, violated my probation.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
And then what year was this?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I got arrested in nineteen ninety nine, sonet nine. I
was like twelve years old then I really I really
hit spot was like two thousand and one, early two thousands,
you know what.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
So gotcha?
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, So after that incident, you know, you know what
took place, what was taking place in your life to
end up leading to I mean, I don't know. I
know you told me that you've had, you know, a
few different instances. You just explained one just now. But
after that, like what was your trajectory like like leading
you to you know, to prison?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
It was just like crazy, Like you know, once once
I got on probation, it was like I was a
part of system forever. It's like since then, I've been
on probation role from the age of twelve, Yes, sir, right,
you know what I mean, It's just been a continuous cycle.
Once I was released from that situation.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
It was like I thought I was a man, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I started getting involved with you know, gangs and different
shit in the streets, and you know, I thought I
was a man. I had electronic incubration on bro fifteen
years old, running around you know what I'm saying, to
be and then on and trying.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
To be gangster.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
And it was glory because my teachers they couldn't believe it.
They're like, yo, how you got an incubation on? Like
and making me show everybody. So once I start showing people,
they were amused by it. So now every time I
walk past the girls, they're giving me extra highs and
buzes up bing and that.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
You know what I'm saying, Almost like a badger honor
to have an ankle braces a little hot.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah yeah, but that is real.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Ship.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
So your last standing of incarceration like that you just
came home from, like you know, maybe tell us what
led up to that and to tell us like how
you know you had like some type of mindset shift
while you was inside, you know, behind the wall or whatever.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah, like, yo, I went through mad craziness beloved, like
we all have.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
It's crazy how people look look look up to certain ship.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Yeah, you know, environs, environments like it's like he had
an ankle brasist so he's the coolest one in the building,
not knowing the ship that you've been through.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Fuck, no, you know what I'm saying. You far from
being the coolest motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
The most stupidest mom, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
But I thought I was living all the cool g
sweaters with the braslet like, and.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
That ship made me, you know, it went to my head.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
But you know when I when I was inside, when
this last situation.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
So you finally went to jail, Yeah, at to prison.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
My first time I went to prison was for robbery.
Rob Okay, I got six years.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Okay, So you went to the island, Yeah, okay, it's
not the first time on island.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
That was my first song first after DF How was that?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
How was that experience going to the island?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
That was crazy too.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
When I was on a bus, I had to put
in my mom like your older dudes, that's in there.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
It's the same niggas is in the street.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
So I'm not about to go ahead and be pussy
because I wasn't pussy out there.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
So that was my mom set.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I'm trying to say, what what kind of you know,
drop me through because I wasn't with it, Like you
wasn't gonna come at me with nothing. I'm ready to fight,
I'm ready to do whatever. And then I had a
lot of dudes from my neighborhood. They were already incarcerated.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
They was somebody.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
So it was like like, you know what I'm saying,
you got there, We're building. You went to straight to
the four Building. And for those that will know about
Right As Island with that, it's that that are in
different states that will know because you just playing to
what's right As Island.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, Right As Island is it is the most dangerous
security prison in New York City.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
It's your city jail.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
It's a city jail.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
It's our New York City Jailah.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
The four Buildings where they put their adolescents at.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
So that's where you went at.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, straight there, okay man?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
That was that was crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Like as soon as I went there the first week,
I brooked my I broke my wrists and all that,
you know, punching.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
In in his face.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
For some sneakers, because I had the protack his room
that used to take anybody sneakers an intake on police CEOs.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
So you know, first week.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I'm I ain't about to wait for my peoples come
bring me some sneakers. That shit probably gonna take two months,
and then I'm I'm gonna pressed because I'm young.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I'm like, I'm going to be flowers. I'm knocked the
out of uptowns and tickets uptown and break my finger.
I met your man catching over, okay in that same house, Well,
catching over, that's my man shout the casting over free.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Cash really right? So what was that process like? While
you were there? You trying to you trying to level
up a little bit so you could be comfortable. Right,
How long you was there? How long you was on
the island before before you know, you transitioned.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I was on your for like six months at that time.
What was that experience? Like? M Like I said, it
was crazy man, like, you know, because my family ain't
have no bread to bail me out, give me a day.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
What was a day like for you on on an island? Like,
because it's a crazy experience. And when you say that,
that's what people hear, but they don't really know how
to imagine it, right, So give us a day, Yeah,
give us a day. What's a day like? That's a
day you could go, you could go. You could give
us a quick synopsis of them. But give us a day.
On a child breakfast, come on out on a count
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in the morning.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
You sleep and knocked out on a count. What's early
in the morning, five o'clock? Love it? Some jails is
six o'clock, now, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
But some of them want you to be up before
the count, so you could put there for what you
want for the day for the go around.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
So copy, you got to.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Be up and ready or get your water, you remember,
because sometime to give out a hot water earlier in
the morning because you can't take a shower from jails.
You can't take a shower every day, right, you know
what I mean? So you got to have hot water
in your bucket to wash up like that, you gotta
be up. They walk quite pastial. So after breakfast, then
what we're doing after breakfast, we're going to the yard. Okay,
we're going to the y'all.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Me.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I ain't really you know, I did I got my
GED on the island. So when I went up top,
I ain't having programs, gotch like, I'm going outside of smoking,
you know, do whatever the hell of homies is doing.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
So when you was on an island, you was going
up to the school building and see seventy four to
work on your GED.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, I got my GD on the island. Bright and
how long? Like what time? What time of the day
was that? What time would you go there? We had
to go on the daytime. So we're talking about back
when I was adolescent. Yeah, we would go to school
every day. But it was lit too, because we banging
on the school floor. We're seeing you know, our big
ops and you know dudes from other clicks and gangs,
and you know they did they lit too.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
They're not scared. They that's Charlie.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
But I'm gonna punch him in his face. He with
them niggas, you know, or they trying to cut me.
I'm trying to cut them.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
It was the reason why I asked you that because
we got a lot of the younger bros that's looking
at the podcast and Washington podcast, and they figured, y'all go.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
To that Alan is lit.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Dudes got iPhones, I'm chilling, and it's a whole another hit.
When you get to the Allen, you realize that you
only get parts of the story, and you realize this
ain't the place you want to be.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
At all, because like I said, I have my menstam
people that I knew, but when they wasn't around because
you ain't gonna aways be with them, always be in
the house with them. So you got to stand on
your own too. And Nick gonna try you because I
know his man here for a body, but he don't
see what he gonna do. I mean talking about he
won't get on the phone and all this extra shit,
and you're gonna have to go some time. They're gonna
be mad bigger than you. Sometimes gonna be mad niggas.
(10:31):
You're gonna you're gonna ride out or you're gonna be
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
So that's right.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
So then you end up making a transition from from
there and you went up top. But while you was there,
you handled your business. You said you got your ged
while he was congratulations to that, or I mean that
your mind was you know, we had one of the
bros here, uh not too long a or he was
talking about the first thing you do right when you
get locked up.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
It's beginning playing in your release.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
It sounds like you was already you on that, whether
or not you could verbalize it or not by going
to get your Yeah, you was was on by the
time I touched that.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Let me let me mention this though, since we on
that topic. The funny ship is that always was a
small individual, you know what I'm saying. Like growing up,
they had something called the Top Intelligent Class whatever they
called that ship. I was always in that ship from
so a lot of people that knew me growing up,
they were shocked to know that. Yo, you were in
jail and you party, you know, so getting my ged
was easy. He was like, what get my g d hell,
y'all want my ship? Let me get like and I'm
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telling him. He's like, yo, let's go do it. And
you know what's so crazy? My men shot at my
man William still, you know, I mean, they call him shot.
He was like, yo, bro, we both came home home
doing this thing. True, you know what I mean, shoting
my brother and he like, yo, bro, you don't remember
he was on the aland I was fighting in case
and you helped me get my g D. Bro, you
shot and the dying with me facts and you shot,
you got your ship and you sat there studied with me,
and I went, I got my ship, but you was
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already ob north.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I'm like, Yo, I didn't even know that.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
No, Bro, you helped me get my g D. Give
me yo, let me tap.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Into that, because Bro was just talking about building community.
We was just talking about with another one on our
visitors that came to talk or on the podcast, about
what do you do when things seem to be rough,
when you behind the wall and the ged seemed to
be rough and the math problems seemed to be rough.
You gotta tap into somebody that's around you. What you
(12:18):
just said, a smart dog got more wisdom to get
it done. And that's what y'all did. So that's just
an example of something that we was already talking about.
That's why your emphasis on that that you tap into
the community around you, the dudes that's smart around you,
Because there's a lot of smart dudes around you. You
tap into that community and you get to it. Ain't
no shame with that. I'm going to Charlie B.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Charlie be smart, Charlie be gonna help me get this gedsel.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Fact, you know, the crazy say is that we didn't
know what our fate was gonna because I still was
gonna caught you.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I'm saying. I was a young dud. I had a
coup mad robberies and you know, my man was fighting
a murder.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
So we in the day room, bro, and we didn't know,
like you know what I'm saying, what life would be.
We didn't know at all. All we knew was like, Yo,
we did something we're gonna do. I got to help out.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Bro. Were from the same neighborhood. That's right.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
We grew up together. It's my man six years old.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
That's a fact. That's a food building, you.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Know what I'm saying. Like that ship was crazy both
so it's.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Like you'll health down, that's right.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
So yeah, so when you got up top, so you
transitioned you with up top and all of that. So
tell me about up top. Tell us a little bit
about up top and what that life was like and
some of the.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
First day you in downstair.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yeah, I went to know.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I went to Olster. I had an all number, okay number,
the first bid I had a number. I went the
Oaster oaster is a reception jail that you go to
before you go to your actual facility. So they send
me the oster. I went the oaster. All the homies
out there workout, gotta go work out, gotta come to
the yard. So it was one of those things like
I'm you know, I'm a monst. So it wasn't like, yo,
(13:41):
just do your time, No, you gotta come out. We
gotta check in, dudes, what you locked up for? It
looked over your eyes and see if you're about that mess,
because he could get nasty out here.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
You they beefing with them over there.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
That's what when you like, when you're involved with a gang,
you gotta make sure you check and check it, make
sure that you offish you and all that before you
got to go out to the yard and ain't out.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
That's a fact.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Sometimes when you gotta be a part of it game,
you still got to check in.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Who's gonna know who is?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
While you're just lingering around, nobody's talking to you, you
know what I'm saying, not me, But so you're not
checking in, that's a bad thing.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
That's good that you're breaking that down though, because we
we you know we I have done so many interviews
and a lot of you know, different gangs, and and
you broke it down a little better. You know what
I'm saying. You broke it down right to the point
like you know that's right what your process was.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
But let me give you as a gang.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
But I'm gonna give you some connectivity with me and
fed with me and peoples of the fans and now
the anybody from New York, b X or whatever. They
had to check it, pull it out, and we were dude,
just pull it out there like yo, listen all so
you have to be a gang.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
It was just what's good with you? That's right. We
want to know what's happening with you. Yeah, you know
what I'm saying. So you know I pulled up and you.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Know that it was like it was you know, you
always got that little timmy because you don't know what's
gonna happen. Be actially, we're not prepared, you know what
I'm saying. So I knew, you know, anything can happen.
I don't got a weapon right now at this moment.
But it was like you got to have the coverage
to put your pins on and say, you know what
I did this clime you know I'm gonna do this time.
I'm gonna go outside, I'm and work out him and
checking them and look men in their face and get
you know what I'm saying, to keep my head up
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high and do this time. And I let this make
me feel like I'm like I'm less than or this
is over. At that time, That's how I felt as
a young man. I'm like, nah, it' still not another chance, right,
let me go outside, me, let me do this what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
It was like getting my weight up. And then they
sent me shake the Green war zones. Talk about that,
right Green? What was Greed War zone?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
That was I know, y'all era was crazy. My error
was still crazy. Y'all went to Green and O fire bro.
You know what I'm saying, And it was totally different
than you know when y'all were there. But for me
to have been in that facility, I'm telling you, we
were still you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
What happened?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And I pulled up and.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
So Green is a is a So we go all
be on the same page. Green is as a median
upstate New York. You know what I'm saying where they
send most of the young others that get incarcerated and
get sentences, they usually just go there.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
So imagine just.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
You know most of that lessons and one I mean
a prison that you know is a compound with the
messholes like probably half a man way, you know, all
kind of shit. So a lot of things was happening, but.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
It's wide open, like your cell door don't get locked
and Zoe Q you got always member.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
You know. The mentality even from the police is different.
They're not on you like they're on you on the island.
Because the seos on the island, he from the he
from Queens or he from the hood, so he be
he'd be up, he'd be hit a little bit on yo.
These two motherfuckers here got beef. I gotta figure this
out up top. It is like they don't give a fuck.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
That one police he's sitting in the booth all the
way down there. Let you go, another police sitting in
the booth all the way down there.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
So whatever happened to you between that point and that point,
that's all.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
You need to have.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
That's a fact. Man. It's a whole totally different things.
So go ahead, man, I would just want to break.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
That, you know, the whole out.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
And I you know that was crazy for me. I
pulled up, you know, never checking what I'm saying. Now,
you gotta checking the game for the brothers that's dead.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
They want to know who you raise.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
No, like, you know, so I had the same thing.
You know, I'm a young brother. I pull up to
the yard.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I'm on. I was on the south side at first.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
No, you know, everything was healthy because you know, I
know how the step. You know what I'm trying to say, bro,
Like I'm a man of been checkerty always sister, young dude,
you know what I mean. I know how to move
the crowd. So I never really had no you know,
crazy instances. Everything that I've been through is always because
it's somebody else, you know what I'm saying, affiliations or
for the most part, you know what I mean, I
always get to you know what I mean. I don't
really got issues with nobody, bro, because I'm a humble dude.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
You I mean, that's the fact. Yeah, it's weird to
be it's weird.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
It's weird like that. I ain't gotta be that's grown man.
That's grown man. Time to say what.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
We're going hand.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
You know that I was able to get brothers together,
you know what I'm saying. And you know, putting in mind,
you did your whole bit green, No, I left Green.
I ended up on blowing the spot.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
I left bring into the box, you mean blowing the
spot with that man.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I ended up popping it off.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Okay, so you got into this.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I got into an incident where we call it a fight,
but I went up there and popped it off. I
attacked somebody, okay, because they did something to to my
main bad news shot at my man, bad news from
Polo Browns, he home tool, shot at you bro, And
I lost my seat all day for this, dude. What
I'm saying, because that's how much I loved them, And
I'm like, what they bust bad news? Head open to
lock in the side.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
What And you know, I.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Felt like, if the man's his man's in them that
still behind, somebody's gonna get it. You know what I'm saying,
You're not just gonna be you know why y'all let
that happen to him? And I went up there and
I popped it off, and then everybody followed suit, all
my mans, and we just start popping all they mens.
It was crazy, you know what I'm saying. It was
like real bad.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Like what year was that?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
This is two thousand and six now, So I was
there for like a year and a half, got you
and I left that, and then I went behind the wall.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Hey, where do you want to?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I went to l micro Okay, how was that? That
was even more crazy because now the violence that we
thought we was doing in the medium, these old niggas
behind the wall, these niggas are psycho paths.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
We think we go psycho paths, but neever we really
meeting the cycle paths because the ship is super calculating,
you know what I'm saying. They playing chests with you
on the whole level level that you wouldn't even believe.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I mean like I've.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Seen I seen dudes, yo, Bro, I seen dudes get
a whole faction of another set of dudes all out
to jail at one time. Bro, somebody was getting touched
in the gym. Somebody was getting touched on me. God,
somebody was getting touched the field house. Somebody getting touched
on the block. It was like lawns everywhere. So police
can't go and diffuse everything. And that was one of
the most craziest because you know, you're in prison, people
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in the street that never been through that, you would
never even think of.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
No ship like facts, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
So I'm sitting back and I'm like, Yo, these are
the niggas that I gotta I gotta get the fuck
out of this shit real.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, real and shit real.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
And I ended up blowing that spot too, bro, bro.
So it was just like you was in a mind
for how long I was there for Like I was
in the like a year.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
And then and then you got into another incident.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Me, I got into another incident. I end up cutting the.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Dude, okay. So now you got on the saw and now
I gotta saw, okay. And then where you want to
go into the box?
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Into the box?
Speaker 4 (20:03):
How was that experience?
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Fie?
Speaker 3 (20:04):
That was another crazy experience.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
So it's just like, you know, trauma after trauma after trauma,
and you just endoring the journey, you know what I'm saying. Like,
I got eighteen months in the box and I turned
that ship into three four years, bro.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
I did the same fucking max out deeper, deeper, deep ship.
They sent me eight It started eighteen months and I
ended up with fucking's doing three years and fuck it changed.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Shit with me. Bro, the thirty one month straight crazy,
thirty one month straight in the box, Bro, and that
ship changed my life. Bro, That sh changed my life
because at first I'm thinking I'm gonna get out and
goa the population, but they made sure you stay in there.
So they say you pulled up and he's like, Yo, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Pistol pee in the spot. And what's my mean?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I get on to get your pistol.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Nigga walked out?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, when you when your gate, Charlie b all right,
going back the level one nigga, the police will write
you up with on your gate, Bro. Bro, Like in
other jails, were they not really on that you're getting
a ticket for what was that? What jail was the
college s block?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
The niggas is mad oppressive. God, you know them, A
lot of them is repressing them spots, Bro. But I
turned that into max out. Bro. But that that right
there was pivotal, pivotal for me in my life because
I taught myself how to start a running business. I
started my own company in the box. I started and
formed a nonproper organization in a box which is running
right now. I wrote and published a book that's out
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on Amazon right now.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
What's the name of the book.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
It's called A Little Homie Story.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Got you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
It's basically about my life and how I, you know what,
became the oars Man by the grace of God, bro,
Because I mean, it wasn't on me. It was I
went through a journey and he pulled me out the
fire and saved me and put me in the mister freedom, Bro,
I could live my life and take care of my kids.
And that's yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
You just the story.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
You you just painted a dynamic picture, right it didn't
you transition into because I don't even have to ask
you about your mindset shifting because you just explained it fast, right.
So as you made it back to the street, tell
me about that, Like, so now you got all this
stuff in the place, and that you make it back.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I've been home a year and a half now.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
But look, it's more to story because that's the first
big okay you think you got to figure out? So
I had all this shit that I'm doing now playing
back then at twenty three years old, and you think
you ready for all the shit that you got in
your mind.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
See prison, prison, I wrote this in my book.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
To prison puts things in your mind and make you
envision things that's not real, so you can envision what
you want to be, you know what I'm saying. And
a lot of niggas freestyle about the nigga they used
to be. You know what I'm saying, and they take
pictures that's not real. So now you came in the
futureistic lifestyle that you're not even ready for that, but
love you, you know what I'm saying. So I came home
to the same thing. Mom's on drugs, family don't got shit,
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and I'm like, you're a grown man now even I'm like, yo,
year was twenty ten.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
In the first bid you five years post release supervision.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
So what my cycle continue was was back then, if
you smoke weed on parole, back then, you was going
to jail. Like now they can't lock you up. You
know what I'm saying. Back then, if you get caught
with a dirty in your ass, was going to jail.
So I had dirty yurines. I ended up catching misdemeaning cases.
I did every single parole violation. Bro ended up doing
the whole five years. So the six years I did
deer five six years, then five years parole every single year.
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You see how you know what I'm saying, It kept
so it was just like crazy belove it.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
It's just been on paper forever. It felt like my
whole life, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
And I continue to make mistakes. But at the same token,
I just had a job, you know what I'm trying
to say.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I still have my music.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It didn't pop off exactly then how I wanted it to,
and I had different things my nonprofit, but I wasn't ready.
You know what I'm saying, Like, you have to be
ready for certain things, feel me, BRO, and I wasn't ready.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Your heart gotta be really in it, you know what
I'm saying, Because the plan could be there and you
can say this and all that. Yeah, I wanna do
this because you know that's what you're doing. I'm gonna
do this now. I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Talk is cheap, you know.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
You know you come home, you gotta be your mindset,
gotta be on that, and your heart gotta be on that.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
No doubt, Bro, And one of the things too. This
is why we're doing my organization. We try to give
a youth recal, you know what I'm saying, because then
that's what it's about. I didn't feel like it was
a lot of resources out there fit for what I
wanted to do, be an entrepreneur, and everything was like
plumbing or you know, you gotta do a vocational you
know what I'm saying. But there was like a lot
of brothers that's come on from prison. They wanted to
be their own you know, they wrote a book. You know,
dudes got labels and and this is our mindset because
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we want to be bigger than just the average nine
to five workers, you get what I'm saying. So I
wanted more than what I my lifestyle will be fitting for.
It was like you gotta go to work, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Say you got a girl with kids, you gotta you gotta,
you gotta face reality. You gotta face reality, you know,
And that's the reality is you gotta come home, you
gotta get a job. You gotta keep that job because
you on parole, you gotta, you gotta. That was the
hardest ship for me, you know what I'm saying. For me,
it's coming home and being on probation from the Fast
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that was like the world. That was the biggest challenge
five years. I'm like, oh, man, know how the fun
I'm gonna do this. I never had a job my life.
I'm like, yeah, you know, and I got to figure
this ship out. They they got me in Brooklyn. I mean,
I'm in Massy Projects at the Halfway House, so I'm
from the Bronx. I'm like, I'm walking two blocks to
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the Jay train passing Massie Projects the hood. Anybody I'm hooking,
I'm like, you know, like I gotta really do this. Man.
It becomes very talented. You know, it's very challenging, you
know what I'm saying. That's why you know, we need programs.
We need we need that knowledge, We need brothers. We
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need to embrace those that come home, you know what
I'm saying, and and and put them positions and help
only if it's in their heart. That's because you know,
we can't we can't. We can't do it. We can't
we go. We can only put it there for you.
You gotta be able to heart.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I think you're the perfect example of speaking about different
things that you were planning to be successful. When you
came home from that first sentence, you were planning it.
But you know, the human addition is about being in
the stay of conflict, right, and so sometimes our hardest
pulling us in one direction, then our mind is pulling
us in another direction. But when we beginning to increase
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our emotional intelligence, in many instances, our heart and our
minds falling sake.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
You said it right then and there, My emotional intelligence
wasn't because you know, I still was hot headed, I
still was ready to go. You you called me, I'm
still ready to pull up. You know what I'm saying.
When when your mind set is still on those type
of things, all of those positive things you say you
want to do, that's not going to come into fruition.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Bro, And the energy is not there.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
It's not there. And once I tapped into that, you
know it was over.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Bro. I took up to the moon. I start accomplishing
a type of ship.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
So, but that's after your second bit.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
After the second bit, I started accomplishing things.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
You know that period you went back how much you.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Did so, like I said, I did the six years valley,
every year, five years of parole.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Oh she did all that.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I did the whole thing, and I came home. I
came home on my son's birthday. So this is crazy
today my son was born. It's like I've been through
so much shit, bro, and straight to the hospital. And
that same year I ended up catching the tent murder
the year my son is born.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Since you've been home.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
No, this is back after I finished that that first
big parole.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
So I was free sun board, my son born, I
got a son.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Everything is lit and you know, a whole that's a
whole nother story, you know, by the grace of guard.
And I was not guilty. I beat the ship, but
you know what I mean, I got charged with the
tenth of murder, Bro, and it was like now it's
back and the tunes back on, Allen Bro, Like you
know what I mean, I went right back into that
cycle of situation. So now I'm just when you go back.
Now I'm getting back into jail, beefs and ship that
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I thought I left in the past. And that ship,
you know what I'm saying, boy, continue to follow me.
So now it's like, all right, come here, nigga. Now
I'm catching niggas that you know, if I wouldn't have
never came back to jail.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
I would probably seen them again, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
So now I'm getting back involved in ship and it's
just boom so recycles the same and it keeps your
mindset like now, fuck you, fuck that positive ship. I'm
already going on out, so now you're doing even more
negative ship.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
I'm trying to stay, bro, it was just a fucking
crazy cycle. That's why said I give my grace for
the creative bro for me to you know, to be here.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Right demons, you know the devil was alive, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
So, so tell us about that last bid because that
last bid, that's the one that's that's the transition.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
That's the transition.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Because you've been over a year and a half down,
so tell us about that lasts.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
As long as I've been home. So bro, you know
what I'm saying. So I want to clap for that
for myself. Definitely give you that congratulations.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Better stay home, man.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
It's over.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
It's over for that bro, you know what I'm saying,
not doing.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
He ain't be upping dog and the y'all make this
right here and go back to.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Jail boat and you know, I shot there. It took
for me to lose almost everything. Bro. My mom's passed
away right before I caught the bed, you know what
I'm saying. And during the bed, I lost my little brother.
What I mean, eat bags and eat bags.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Eric, that's my that's my for your losses, bro.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Bro. He helped me put all my music together, you
know what I'm saying, for my label, Half Boy Records, Bro,
and he was my producer. He believed in me from
from the street and I was like, Broke, now we
come on, we're gonna do this. He recorded like over
one hundred songs with me, Bro, and my brother died
when I was locked up, So it just made me
feel like damn. You know what I'm saying, Like I'm
losing everything that I love, Bro, you know, and I
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couldn't see my children, you know what I'm saying, you know,
beefing with the family and just different things like that
that made me say, you know what, Bro, we got
another chance to get out of here. This might be
the only shot you got. Love it, you know, and
which way you wanna go? If you know, don't don't front.
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If we're gonna go do it, Go do that, but
you know that's not what you're supposed to be doing.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Bro. We're getting too many chances.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I mean, people don't get these type of chances.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
And once I took that in heart, you know, I
sat myself, I was a sing, sing and I started
writing my book bro, and I started telling my story.
You know what I'm saying to myself. I was writing
on the tablet, you know what I'm saying, and just
writing my thoughts down and I'm like, you know what
I remember, put out my story out there, bros. I
wanna I want to help. I want to help people.
You know what I'm saying. I want to help my bros.
That that they got the same vision I got and
he got the same heart I got, but they can't
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say it. You know what I'm saying. They everybody so
niggas don't know how to convey it.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
But I was always the one like, nah, Bro, you
know we're doing that, but we could be doing this too,
you know what I mean. But you know when you're
talking that and you not so again, you know what
I'm saying, Like you said, your heart gotta be in it, Bro,
So I learned to put everything else in the garbage. Bro,
And just this is what I'm doing, whether you respect him,
not your two and shut south up all lot. They
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loving it, Bro, They like nah, that's what Bro supposed
to be doing, big going, he supposed to be doing that.
Other shit is over.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
So now you're home what you've been doing?
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Tell us about that journey, yo, Bro?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
So yeah, half great this immediately, you know, got to
put my editing book together. You know, I edited my
finished version of my book immediately published on Amazon.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
So coratulations on that.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Graulations, Bro.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I wish I would have been prepared to, you know,
bring a copy and.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
We should be here. You could come back and visit us.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
All yeah, definitely, man, you know, drop my book on Amazon.
And like I said, you know that the you know music,
A lot of people that is gonna watch this know
me for doing music, They know me for prison, they
know me for the streets, but they know, like yo.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
That boy is a rapper.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
That boy can spit. So immediately I went to booth
and I dropped another mixtape like that ship fired for
all my people that following me.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
You know what I'm saying, but did you besides that,
that's because because that's the past I wanted to do.
That's what you want to do. Your dreams, that's what
you what you love. But what you're really doing to
take care of yourself, that's what I want to know.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
The organization for the youth. So right now, we're self employed.
We got our own non proper organization. I'm executive director
and a master motivational speaker within this organization. I went
to school and became a massive motivational speaker. So I'm
cutified and we're going to court and we're shaving the youth.
We're doing all turn into incarceration. We're doing anger management.
We have a podcast workshop where we teach them how
to do their own podcast, a lot of music studio
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where you teach them how to do music and audio.
We got a lot of producers that's doing that work
with bucks and different duties in Harlem, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
So they rocking with us on our team.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
We got a team of brothers that they was incarcerated
as well, so we you know, we got gang specialists.
We do gang intervintion. Okay, we do violence interruption. These
are all of the list of things that we do
the same to you.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
We're all in the same fings Save industry. Baby. What's
the name of the organization agains. It's called Mirus Kids.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
It's called Mirus Kids Motivating Young Rising Achievers. So y'all
can check us out on lines just type of an
n y r A Kids.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
So what you think about prison reform? Do you think
that's necessary or unnecessary?
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Yeah? It is necessary? And why and how would you
do it? How would I do it? Or give me
the why is it? Why is it necessary? And to
tell me why how would you do It's necessary?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Because the individuals that they have that's running that system,
they have no real concern for the individuals that they
have incarcerated that they're governing. Yeah, this is like their
dogs in the cage. So me, I would change the
people who they hire, like like how they I heard.
I heard you got to go through a process to
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get hired by the FBI. I know this that shit
you have to go through a process where you know
you don't got that painless bull shit in your heart
slave master the mentality you know what I'm saying, before
you could get this type of job. So now you
know people could probably trick the system.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I don't really know how sick work, but that's how
I start. I was starting a person's character because you
got these officers, they killing them, you know, these brothers,
and they gotten dirty.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Now thanks for sharing that.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Now I want to ask them one more thing, so
hear everything you're doing. Of the greatness you're doing, which
is great. Think what those guys, because are you still
like active member your gang member?
Speaker 3 (33:39):
I'm not active like active you know that's define active.
Active means that you're out there.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
You know what I'm saying, You out there still putting
in pain and you you're sewing up when it's time
to go.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Yeah, that's the purfase. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
When you someone like me who you know you've been
a part of the culture for so long. You know
what I'm saying, This is not just a uh how
they try to put it.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
You know what I'm saying, a glwifying thing. You got
a lot of brothers. We'll come to from the same neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
You know what I'm saying, from the same blocks, and
that's how a lot of that stuff is form.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
So what we taught you a community organized.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
You're organizing your community, support your community bringing. So I'm
giving you words because everything you're saying there's words that
conceptualize that.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
So you building your community, organizing your community, giving the
young people guidance, and I want you to keep building
on it. But just think about yourself as a community organized.
I mean that's what I just.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Call myself a real dude that's trying to do real
ship bro that you know, know what's real out here?
Speaker 3 (34:30):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
We need brothers like you. You know you're important. You're
all important, you know what I'm saying, And be happy
to have brothers like you could First and foremost, I
love your honesty, you know what I'm saying. You know
what I'm saying. You came in here, you being yourself.
I can see that's right. I appreciate that ship. You
know what I'm saying. Tone, I know Tone does it
as well. But you know, my thing is in this
(34:52):
platform is for brothers like you. So you could show
them young brothers out there that, yeah, you could be
a part of something, but this is the life, this
is the way you live it. Yeah, man, I mean,
you ain't gotta you know, I mean, just because your
part of the son doesn't mean you gotta be ruthless.
And you know you gotta be out here. You know
you could you feel me?
Speaker 3 (35:10):
So acts of violences with talk.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
That's why you. I salute you and I appreciate having
you up here because you are when you rep who
you are, you feel me. But you're doing it right
because you're showing those that goes after you, that come
after you, that they don't have to go through what
you go what you went through. They don't got the bank,
they don't got they don't got to do.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
It, don't. We don't got to do none of that, bro, Brothers,
that's going to really show you the way. You know
what I'm saying, and I'm one of them and pe
in what y'all doing. I salute you all too, bro,
because this is a platform that's giving brothers like me
a chance and y'all story too. So it could be
heard not to glorify, so y'all can know you don't
want to go there like you could be on a
fortune five hundred company. You can own your own. Paul Cashu.
We did all that because we felt like it was
(35:50):
an opportunity as far us. But what I did was
I took my cruel dudes and we made our own LLC.
So that's what we teaching the kids too, how to
be their own entrepreneurs, how to start their own LC
from start to finish. So if anybody out there want
to be a part of that, y'all want to invest
in you from East Hollm, I'm gonna drop the line
of where y'll can higher.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
At us because ye're telling people how to get a
contact game.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
The name my organization is called Mirus Kids. Y'all can
hit us on the internet, you know, just type it
in Mirus Kids is N Y R A K I
D S. I'm the CEO of hat Boy Records. That's
my label, that's my company, you know what I mean.
The name of my book is called A Low Homy Story.
You could type it on an Amazon the L I
L Homie Story. You're gonna see me up there. And
(36:29):
you know we're just moving, bro. You want to have
your kids a part of it. You gotta have your
kids part of We also caught mandated, you know what
I'm saying. So we were in the court system where
we can go and convey in front of the judge
that you know, this young person or this individual may
not need in custorration.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
They may need cognitive behavioral therapy, or they may just
need you no job services, or they may need mental
health services. You know, incarceration is not always the answer,
because we did so much time that we know that,
you know, the fucked up things that can transpire about
just having somebody there on pre trial like I did
four years straight on my second bid on the island,
(37:03):
four years during during COVID and all that, and I
thought my case myself as my own lawyer, true, Pete.
That's another thing I wanted to mention as well, that
you brothers and sisters getting locked that you better know.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
The law, because I advocate for yourself.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
I sat there and I had to learn the law
and the little library my bro like and really see
that the things they were trying to.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Do to me wasn't right.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
I had six different legal attorneys because you know, we
ran through all the bread and now you can't really
affil no layers. You spending money this, that and the
thirsd you like, I don't see him try out with
the legal lad and see, I'll give it I get.
I got six of them trying to tell me to
take some time that I know it's not right. So
I learned my case and I fought my case myself.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
But love it.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I acted as my own chance, and I got less knowledge.
Did you know what I'm saying? Then what the attorney
was trying to give me the pleate guilty to them,
I ain't have to give no information up on nobody.
So it's like if you really run a little but
loved you could really you know what I'm saying, And
you know I was. I was, you know, guilty for
some problems and I paid my time for that. Give
what I'm saying. But there was a lot of shit
they didn't trying to do to me that was accurate.
(37:56):
They're trying to give me forty years. Bro, Nobody died,
nobody drive, no bullets ever flew. You know what I'm saying.
It wasn't a big amount of ship that I feel.
Anybody just say that nigga deserved to get forty years.
You talking about you gonna get me forty years at trials,
I say, he's bugging. I'm gonna fight this myself. Now,
I got my case dropped down dramatically. Belove he pre trial.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
I'm hunger, Bro, Charlie B. Welcome you to the platform.
Dog of the yard. B X toe my bro, Pistol
peet on that we close out. Appreciate you, Bro.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
We're look at me boy, You're looking at my boy.
That was fire dog of the yard.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Yard. Ye you know your boy Pistol p walking back
to the dog in the yard. First and foremost, I
want to thank Charlie B for coming through. Stand up harlem.
We got a real one out there that's doing greatness,
changing lives. I mean, has taken his own experience of
all the trials and trivilegious he's been through in his life,
(38:56):
and he had converted that into something positive, something reductive.
Yeaut here saving young brothers lives, you know, motivating the youth.
He has a book out that he's publishing right now.
He's working on his craft and we're here to support him.
With that being said, you already know is your boy
Pistol Pete dog in the Yall.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
We' the live shout shining, live shout shot God
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