18 Inches From a Monster! - Dogman Encounters Episode 597

Tonight’s guest, James Glover, used to dread going to his grandparent’s home when he was a kid. That was due to how bored he would get when he’d have to spend time there. One night, in the summer of ’83, however, when he was spending time there with his siblings, it was anything but boring to him. He had more excitement than he’s had at any other time in his life. That was the night he found himself face to face with an 8 to 9 foot-tall-Dogman. The Dogman’s face was only 18 inches away from his too.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
At a book in.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Tonight's guest is James Glover. James, welcome to the show.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Thank you, good to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Well, it's great having you here. James. Please give us
a brief bio in yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Well, I'm just some average guy stay in Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
I'm a manager at my job Subway, and other than that,
I'm just old country boy from the country who loved
behind the country.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
What kinds of things did you do out there when
you were growing up?

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Oh, fishing, playing horseshoes, climbing trees, type of fearless, absolutely fearless.
Helping my dad, he was a farmer, and you know,
we set up irrigation pipes. And I actually learned how
to drive. Well, he taught me how to drive a tractor.

(02:18):
And I was one of the first high school students
out there that was down in there. It's called Airby George,
a little small town for about like i'd say, two
hundred people at the most. And it was so much
fun for me to be that young and able to
actually drive a tractor and plow a feel up. It
was so much fun.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Well, but that was fun. What did you grow on
your farm?

Speaker 1 (02:44):
They were growing? It was my dad's boss man anywhere
U from peanuts to cotton, the soybeans, you know, little
stuff like that. He had a pretty.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Large farm out there and a lot of pawns around.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Now that's how you know, I actually learned how to
fish because you would allow us to give us a
key to open the gates up and go back there
and do a lot of fishing as long as we
kept it clean around its ponds.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Well, that sounds like a fair deal to me, not
bad at all. Your encounter happened in the mid eighties
and Georgia there you said where in Georgia though, did
you say it was that the encounter happened? And what
can you tell us about the place?

Speaker 1 (03:21):
It was Viana, Georgia, and where I stayed. It was
about called Cordial, Georgia, who I stayed, and it was
about nine miles away from where we stayed at. That's
where my grandparents stayed at. And it was about four
miles four to six miles out from the city. They
stayed in the country, and I hated going there. I

(03:45):
just did not just boring, actually boring, nothing nothing but
country fields and woods, that's it.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
And that was a great place to go. You know
for peace and quiet, but that was too much peace
quiet for me.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
I don't think there's anything wrong with that. All that
piece and quiet and all the woods and being out
in the country like that. You can get into all
sorts of fun things and all as long as you
have that imagination.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
I guess that's right, especially at night and nfe and cool.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
I used to go out and watch the stars, the
moon when it comes up and all that, and just
clean air fresh it had to breathe, I mean nighttime.
We just set outside sometime, me and my brother and
just play with our little pett gun.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, it doesn't get any better than that. If all
kids grew up that way, the world really would be
a much better place.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
But yeah, we know it would be. It would be.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Unfortunately, if you grew up in the country like that.
Had you heard about cryptids for the night when you
have that encounter?

Speaker 1 (04:45):
No, never heard or even heard the word crypt it.
The only thing that I can remember from back then
was our dad taking us to see a I don't
forgot the name so long ago, but it was a
Bigfoot movie. It was a drive through at that time,
and you know, we're sitting in the car, little speakers
put up on your car and it was a bigfoot movie.

(05:08):
And to me it's just, you know, entertainment scared me
half to death, but you know it was entertainment. And
you know, like I said, that movie there it was
nothing like was anything in the wood because like I said,
me and my brother we feared absolutely nothing. We'd go

(05:28):
deep into the woods and just stay out there black Dog,
two and three miles away from home, no flashlight of nothing,
walking through the woods, pushing which it's allow way. Ton't
care where we come out at because we could always
find our way back to either the house in the
average quarter or even buying on my grandparents stadium.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, well that's all the fun stuff to do. So
that's a good way to grow up.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Do you think by chance that movie that you saw
at the drive in might have been the Legend of
Boggy Creek or do you think it was another movie?

Speaker 1 (05:58):
No, it was another movie, because the Legend of Boga
Cree I've seen that one. I enjoy any kind of
Manster pictures. I loved them, got Zella, King of Door,
any kind of master picture. I love to watch them.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
And like I say, the only I watched one word
worth moving back then.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
But it was just the guy, a human, just a human,
like the little hair on his face, nothing spectacular, the
same size of the people he's chasing.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
And I really didn't watch anything like that.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
If it wasn't god Zella or this kind of master
coming up a giant square, a giant shark or something
like that, or I never watched it. And the only
reason we went to see that Bigfoot movie was that
my younger brothers they wanted to go see it, and
since I was there, I had to tag along. My
dad forced us to go, me and my older brother.
And like I said, I never do anything about any

(06:50):
crypto other than, you know, something like a lock NES's
Master with you know it was Scotland. I'm saying, Okay,
they'll never find it because to me it wasn't there.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
To me, thing was there and over that. I had
that same concept until.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Until you found yourself about eighteen inches away from that
dog men you found yourself.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Instead, right? That changed everything?

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, I bet it did. And from the way you
worded that, I wasn't sure if you were saying that
they're never gonna find it talking about NeSSI the Loch
Ness monster, or if you're talking about Sasquatch, because after
seeing that movie, I was gonna ask you if you
believed at that point after seeing that movie, which I
kind of wonder if it wasn't the creature of Black Lake,

(07:34):
the creature from Black Lake that you saw. I'm wondering
after seeing that movie, if maybe you started to believe
in their existence or did you still not think they
were real?

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Nothing could convince. But like I said, I was so
used to seeing Godzilla and these Sea Masters out it,
which I was back there in one Sure, Okay, they're
not there, and here's just another movie. But this is
about a different kind of monster. This is some seven
eight foot eight bl like thing running around. And then
I couple that with me being out in the woods

(08:08):
so much in different areas of Georgia, even in Florida,
and I've never seen anything remotely close to anything like
I've seen on television, So I'm pretty sure I'm not
gonna see a three hundred foot five breathing monster. So
I've i had that same concept with something like a
Sasquatch or Bigfoot. And over the years, I watched snow

(08:31):
Beasts and I watched all these around here. I'm like, Okay,
all this snow, I'm not going up there, so if
if they exists, I'm never gonna see it.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Well, you had every reason to believe that, that is
until you the night when you have that encountering fortune.
Now that's right, and talking all that time that you
spent in the woods with your brother running around doing
all those fun things. What did seemed that dogged me
in from such a close range due to your interest
in heading back into the woods and getting into things.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
It did, absolutely It then stopped me at all, because,
like I say it.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
We were fearless then, and we figured we've in destructive.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
I've been at the tip top of pine trees. I've
been hanging out bridges, train tracks of anything, swimming and
snaking fested water and chasing snakes and water, picking up
round snakes, picking up a moccas and nothing scared me.
And as long as I had something in my hand
like a gun, there all at that aid thinking I

(09:32):
could stop anything anything that you're around it, because actually
I've never seen anything larger than a deer, so I
had absolutely no fear of anything. It'll either get me
or I get it.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Well, let's go a way to look at it. Yeah,
like I said before, you didn't have any reason to
believe these guys would have been out there. Now after
you saw that dog man, especially when you're face to
face with the thing that's different. Then you saw all
for yourself. You saw with your own eyes that these
things are real.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
But that's right.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
I'm glad it didn't hamstring your interest in heading back
into the woods. Thank goodness for that.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
That's it. But don't think it didn't put me on
alert when we went after that. I was one hundred
on alert.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Well, I can understand why you would be. Yeah, that's
what I would expect. All right, James, please tell us
about this encounter. Now, give us every last detail that
comes to mind.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Okay. Like I say, I grew up in Cordial, Georgia,
a small town of about like five thousand, and my
grandparents stayed in about eight to nine miles away Yama,
Georgia in the country, and I hated going to visit
my grandparents on the weekends. We just had absolutely nothing

(10:54):
to do. One television in the house. We couldn't watch
it cause the groans were watching it. So we're stuck
outside and I'm one of five, one of six siblings,
five boys and one sister. And I have a older brother,
and his name is exactly the same as mine, but
it's the middle name is step His name is James

(11:15):
Evans Glover. My name is James Pennzol Glover. I'm named
after my dad. I'm the second oldest, but I'm the junior.
And each Friday school's out, my mamaa get us in
the car and we go up there to spend the
end time weekend up there extremely boring and for the

(11:36):
first i'd say nineteen eighty three to eighty five, my
dad brought two one seventy seven caliber hok Heelic guns,
one for me and my brother, and so that gave
us a little bit excitement to go down there because
my granddad that's where they stayed at six miles from

(11:56):
the city, and it was a small city. Also, he
had fishing poles and stuff and rills and rods down there,
and we'd go to his boss man and just go
down there and go fishing. And on this particular day
we went down there and me and my brother went fishing.
We took our pelts gun with us and we was
fishing and my brother caught a pretty decent side catfish,

(12:21):
and so we brought it back and my granddad that's
when I first learned how to skin a catfish. He
show us how to do that, and then say, y'all
gonna go shoot rabbit squirrels inside there and bring them
back too. And so we go down there and do
the hunting come back to the old house. Now, the
house was sitting about ten yards from a dirt road

(12:44):
with a little mailbox out there. The mail dropped the
mail off and it was like a you you gotta
feel on the right side of it, feel on the
left side. And behind it was a field and just
that little driveway. So the house was sitting up on
concrete blocks all the way around it, and it was

(13:07):
sitting up pretty high. It slanted a little bit to
the left, but it was pretty high. And as we
go there, we could crawl up under the house. And
being so boring, if we wasn't a hundred with the
pelletsom we'd take old tires. My granddad had a shed
that it kept old worn out tires in. There was
an outhouse there there was.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
No running There was running water, but there was no.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Tilt in there. And so people generally used the outhouse,
and so we'd run around there and we'd play. And
it was an irrigation ditch about fifty yards from the
house where a little field go at where you can
walk around the driveway, a little dirt road. You can
go out there to get to the pond down there,

(13:48):
and for entertainment purposely, when it rained, it kind of
feels with water. We'd go out there and splash around
in the water and play in the water, or crawled
up under the house. And the house was just that
high enough we could crawl up under it and play.
We played hide and go seek, and the window while
seeing that thing at it was sitting up quite high.

(14:11):
It was a small one. It couldn't open, it couldn't
pull up or push out of anything. It just built
into the house. And I'd say it was about the
size of a small picture fire I say two foot
two by two foot. That did really small. To see
in that.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Window, we had to take one of our granddad old tires.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
That's when our sister little brother around there try to
hide up under the bed playing hide and go seek
or Police and robbers. We stand that tie up. When
I was about five foot five my brother's a little
taller than me, older brother, and even he had to
stand up on that time, put your handle against that
side of the house and tiptoe just to see in
that window. And so, like I said, that was the

(14:57):
only entertainment we had. And so later on that day
we went down there again. I said, you know, we
caught the fishes. My grandma cooked them and we ate.
We went down and hunted again, and like I say,
nothing out of art. Every couple of rabbits here, a
couple of quills we saw couldn't get in with the

(15:19):
pelt gun. They fly off. And we came back and
we just sat around the house and go down to
the little irrigation ditch, play in the water and come back.
And it started getting dust dark that night, and we
were sitting around there, just me and my brother with
the two pelict gun shooting pennies that we would put

(15:41):
out there on the mailbox that was like ten yards away.
And we had got just that good, excellent shots for
those pelta guns. And so well we start with what
happened before that until the bigger guns. My dad eventually
brought my brother gage revelation shotgun. I was mad and hurt.

(16:08):
At the same time, I'm with a one seventy seven
calib repellant gun. He had a twelve gage revelation shotgun.
And so as he's going down there with that shotgun.
When we used to go down there and hunt, I
really didn't want to go. I got this week one
seventy seven. He got this twelve gage shotgun with bird

(16:30):
shots and love shots, quel shots and all that. And
my granddad didn't like a moping boy, and so he
told me to open that trunk up, and I'm figuring
he's getting a belt out to hand my rear and
it was a bolt action shotgun. I sell it again,
a bolt action shotgun with a clip whole five shells.

(16:51):
He said, you take that gun, and I prayed that
that gun was a twelve gage to accommodate the shells
my brother had, and it will. And so we'd go
down there and practice shooting with the shotguns and all this,
and came back sitting out and back to where we
were sitting out just shooting with the pellet guns and

(17:13):
all that. We went pelict guns to shotguns, and it
was now getting to be a little bit fun to
go down to My granddad house. So on that particular night.
Inside the house, it was a three bedroom house. My

(17:33):
mother slept in the one room and the siblings, my
sister slept in a bed across from there was two
beds in that back bedroom. My sister slept in that
bed with my younger brother, and the four boys slept
in the other beds, a king sized bed, but we
slept at an angle so that everybody was fit.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
And by that little small window.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
I always slept there, and we had a fan to
the bottom of it, and we had and it had
an old grandfather clock with a very dim light, but
you can actually see the time, and it at night.
And so I'm laying in that bed that particular night,
laid down. I'll never forget this. It was one o'clock
because I remember looking over at that clock when I

(18:19):
woke up.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
And what woke me up? As I was laying down
back and from.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
The way I laid back, I could actually see the
couldn't see the glass part of the window, but you can.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
See who it was.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
And I was leanding up against the wall with my
face turned the wall and my head up against the wall.
I love to sleep that way, and that pardicular night
I was awakened to some tapping or scratching, like on
the window. It sounded like that, and I'm like, okay,

(18:51):
so well, something that's happened in the window or something
that's tapping somewhere. And if you were to sit up
from where I slept, you would be looking directly at
that window less than a full and a half away.
And as I sat up, I came face to face

(19:13):
with what I perceived as a monster or alien or something.
I'm just looking at it, and all I could see
was its face in its hands. It hands froze. Two things.
I noticed, Its hands stopped moving and its ears went backwards,

(19:34):
and it froze. It froze, I froze. And I'm just
looking at it, and it's looking at me, and I'm
looking at his eyes and his hands it had I
didn't at that time. I didn't see a snout, because

(19:58):
as I learned, its face was down, it had it
like down like his snock was into its chest as
it was looking down. But his hands were still both
hands and I say hands, I can guarantee you they
was hand like. I heard a lot of people say
raccoon like hands, rat coon like hands, And what I learned.

(20:22):
Like a little dog. I got and I washed this
thing for over an hour and a half then looking
at just sitting up looking at well about forty five minutes,
sitting up looking at it, and I laid back down.
But I laid at an anger, almost on top of
one of my younger brothers, and I laid at an

(20:43):
angle where I could wash this thing. And the only
thing on it move was its eyes. His eyes followed
me as I laid down. I'm letting that trying to
figure out what is this. I'm trying to eliminate. Like
I said, I feel nothing. It wasn't scared of nothing.
It didn't scare me because there was no aggression in it.
There was no didn't see no teeth, didn't hear no growling,

(21:06):
didn't see nothing that would say this thing is trying
to attack, harm or do anything. It was like it
was shocked that I set up and looked at it
was like curious. And as I'm laying back looking at
it from an angle, I glanced over.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
After a while passed by and now it's three o'clock.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
I remember when I looked at it half on the
window that it was one o'clock. Now it's three o'clock,
so I'm still watching this thing, trying to figure out
what it was. I eliminated a person because there was
only two houses other than my granddad's house. That was
his Fostman, which is about one hundred yards to the
right face house, and his son about four to six

(21:50):
hundred yards to the left. And they know full well
about those shot dones, and I'm quite sure that they're
not gonna come there and us that it wasn't going
to be tall enough anyway. They had to stand up
on the tires too, just to look into that house,
that window. And I'm watching this thing trying to figure
out what it was, and it's not moving. I'm not

(22:14):
moving it as a time, And all of a sudden,
it's like time just went by, and I awoke the
next day. And when I woke up, I immediately looked
at the window. Nothing. So I'm chalking this up as okay,
I done have a bad dream. Before I woke up,

(22:35):
I tried to eliminate an I all up there scratching
the wallow, chasing a little rat or something as long
as shot a deer kind of look in the window. No,
that wasn't what that thing was. But to me, not
believing in anything monstrous like that, I chalked it up
as a dream. Yeah. I talked it up into a
dream until my older brother, who slept on the end

(22:57):
by the two shotguns, told me, did you see that
in the window last night? I said, yes, I did say,
And I don't know what time he saw it. I
don't know if he saw it before I woke up
or after I laid down at her anger. I don't
know what that. We never discussed that, And so it

(23:18):
was that Friday night when I seen it. That Saturday morning,
me and my brother got up loaded the shot guns
Buckshot slug Buckshot, and I feared for the safety of
my grandfather and my grandmother. No one else said anything
remotely close about seeing something like that down now. My

(23:40):
grandmother did. My granddaddy didn't say anything like that. Never
heard anything from his boss man or his boss man son,
because we're seen him when we go fishing down there,
and his name was mister l y L. That was
my dad boss man, my granddad's boss man. And I'm like, okay,

(24:00):
my grand and my grandmother they're old, and he can't
maneuver that shotgun like we can't, And so me and
my brother said, okay, what we're gonna do. The ditch
in front of the house was about four to five
but deep. That what kept the water from coming up
into the yard. Having that muddy, that's why they dug
that ditch out and it led into that irrigation dish.

(24:21):
It's about forty to fifty yards away. That's why it
was pretty deep. When it was dry. You know, we
get in there and play in the dirt in our
old outside clothes. So that Saturday night, I said, about
eleven and twelve o'clock, everybody that's in the house laying
down for sleep, me and my brother went out.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
There were those two shotguns and laid in that ditch.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Waiting on it. And like I said, it was an
outhouse there, and the old ship had a really dim
light there that they should have had closer to the
our house in case anybody wanted to use it. And
at night when I saw that thing, I was thinking
at that time, if anybody go out that back door
trying to use the outhouse, my mother and grandmother pretty

(25:07):
much wouldn't because they had an old pant in that
they used in there to relieve themselves, but my granddad
would and my brothers would. We'd take our younger brothers
out there. They use the bathroom like that. My older
brother and me would just go out there unarmed. We
didn't care. And I said, if I hear that back
door open, I'm waking my brother up and we grabbing
those shotgun. But like I say, that never happened. So

(25:29):
when we was laying in that ditch waiting to see
where this thing come back, nothing twelve o'clock, twelve thirty,
one o'clock, nothing, And so we got tired of sitting
there in that ditch waiting on this thing. And so
later on my dad brought me up thirty or six.

(25:53):
And even then I was mad at him because, okay,
did this shotgun when he shoot his spreads out of
hit th I got this little one bullet coming out.
But eventually learned, you know, to shoot the shotgun had
a scope under thirty six. He had a scope on it.
Mister l had a thirty our six. He had targets

(26:14):
on a tree down going tarlet pond, and he told me, yes,
I could shoot that. And so one day I was
just shooting up that target and never hit it. I said, hold, look,
I'm flawless, little pelagon and that shotgun. Why am I missing?
And he eventually told me because your scope isn't sighted in.
That's when I learned about sighting in the scope. So

(26:37):
he did it for me, and hey, I go again,
perfect aim and so dust dark. On any given night
we were down there, it was an old pot in
the backyard. Now I'm trying, I want to see this
thing full body. The only thing I saw was face,
his ears, full back, head and hands. That's all I seen.
To this day. I wish I would have seen that

(26:59):
thing entire by, but I didn't because I didn't know
what it was. I wanted to know what I've seen.
I'm still in the mindset of I didn't think anything
about a dog man a well with anything like this
right that even didn't even cross my mind.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Bigfoot didn't even cross my mind. Not the only thing
it was the master.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Years went by, my granddad passed, and my mother and
my sister moved my grandmama in town. That eliminated us
going out to the country again, and so years passed by.
My grandmother's past, my mother's passed as far as I passed,
and all that and I came to Texas, got married,

(27:47):
had a son up here, and so he's twelve years old.
And like I said, I started working subway, I married,
became a sistant manager, moving to an apartment, nice apartment,
and my my son wanted a dog. I said, okay,
if I can find your dog, I will get you
a dog. I went on Craiglist and some Chewenis were

(28:10):
for sale, three boys, one girl, and I called the
guy said could you hold me one boy?

Speaker 3 (28:15):
He said, yes, I will, but they're not wean yet.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Anybody don't know what that means that when they're old
enough to be taken away from their mother dog, when
they're old enough, their eyes open and they're old enough
to be taken away.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
As soon as that happened, he called me. It was
about his belting Texas.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
I say, here in clean Texas, and I drove the
belting Texas in the country and got the dog. My
son named him Zero, And you know, we raised them
up to a good size. And you know, like I say,
that's when I was on here watching a big foot
move one day and then on YouTube and the automatically

(28:55):
when the movie went.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Up, it shipped the big kind of bigfoot encounters.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
And so I'm like, Okay, here we go again, people
seeing these things out there. And then I start watching it,
and then I start hearing it if anybody has a
dog man and kind I'm like, what's a dog man?
And so I clicked on one of those videos and
start watching it, and even then nothing clicked because from

(29:20):
what people were describing, they looked nothing like I said.
Granted I didn't see that entire body, but it didn't
trigued me. I mean, I love entertainment. That's where I
thought it was. Yeah, until this little dog I got,
got about three year and a half, two years old,

(29:41):
I'm playing with him one day on the bed. I
still got him now, and I'm looking at him right now,
and I'm playing with him on the bed and I
hold my arm up and he jumped up on my
arm and he threw his two front paws across my

(30:02):
arm and put his head across my arm, and he
bent his.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Entire head down.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
When he did that, images immediately flashed back through my mind.
That's exactly what I saw in that window looking at me,
only one hundred times bigger, bigger head waiter. And as

(30:41):
I started thinking about yes, That's why I couldn't really
tell of this, not because it was down. I seen
the nose. Why, black nose, similar to my dog's, same eyes,
black eyes, just a little bit of white. I can
see in there ears slightly like my dog, not identical.

(31:06):
But when I first set up and his hand stopped
and I noticed my eyes, I noticed movement. My eyes
noticed movement, snakes or anything. Nothing could sneak up on
me because they have to move. I'm gonna say a rabbit,
I'm gonna see it. And as ears went back, I
glanced up and caught him going back. They never stood

(31:27):
back up. They stayed folded back. And as this dog
did that when I'm messing with him, because when I
froze and looked at him kind of like he was like, okay,
what's wrong? And his ears went back, and that brought
back memories of exactly what I saw. And I'm thinking
that I actually saw a dog man, and it took

(31:53):
this dog palls of this dog. If you take my
dogs and make them twice as big, and I got
some pretty big hand, make them twice as big as
my hand, and stretch them out for about six to
seven inches for each ring, I didn't see. I knew
I seen four on each hand. I didn't kindt of,

(32:15):
but I'm pretty sure it was four. I didn't see
the filth when I'm pretty sure it was there, but
I knew I seen four long ones and they were
six to seven inches long. The coloration.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Exactly like this, pretty much like this dog.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
He's brown. You want to know the color cardboard box
peanut butter, You get a jar peanut butter.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
That's the color. That thing was.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Face wide, short hair. I didn't see shaggy hair anything.
It could have been on the body, but like I said,
I didn't see the body. I didn't see face and
hands and ears.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
I didn't see any hair sticking up on the ear
because like I said, it went back.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
They was folded. When they folded back, they stayed that
wait for that duration of that time, and I'm like, Okay,
I don't believe this. All this time we've been in
these woods down here at my granddad's house, starting off
with the pellet guns, graduated up to the shotguns, then

(33:22):
eventually with the thirty our six, and with that thirty
our six down I used to stand up on this
big iron.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Skill it up pot or whatever, It.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Was like a big Witchets pot if you to turn
it back over, but it was upside down with four
little metal less stick and I used to stand up
on that and scan down by the pawn.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
We used to go fishing net with muscope.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
It was a high power scope that came with it,
hoping that I could see this thing. Was it going
down to that paw and drinking water. I would have
had to see it before it got to the point
across the pawn slopes down. If you stand there fishing,
couldn't nobody see you from who I was or telling
my granddad's house. They had to walk back up the bank.
And so I'm scanning it with my thirty or six scope,

(34:11):
hoping that I could see this full thing. One day
my brother started dating a girl. Her name was Darthy,
and he was dating her and her aunt was bringing
her to Cardio. They stayed in Miner bring her to Cardio.
And it was Highway forty one and it was the
old It was a plant there Jarge Pacific. Once you

(34:35):
get to Jeorge Pacific, you're hearing nothing in the country
the road there, but you got woods on both sides.
And as it was coming up there. They eventually told
us they seen something brown running on two legs, ran
across the car and the headlight from the left side

(34:56):
of Jarge Pacific all the way to the other side
of the road into the would. They say it like
a brief second they saw it, and at that time
I'm telling me, I said, okay, yeah, I saw something too,
looking at me in the water, that we both seen him.
All it's a big deal. And that's the way it went.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
The only thing I say, until I had seen this.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Old crazy dog I got here, looked just like And
to this day, I will still tell people that that
thing in that window shrunk down and came back to
it because I got him right here.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
That that's the mindset it put me in.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Because every time I see this dog and he make
any gesture like that, even when he's playing with my
son or he's trying to he want to get up
on the bed, he'll throw his two front palls up
and lay his head down on the bed, looking at me,
want me to pick him up if he's two ladies
to jump up on it. It just reminded me of
that thing I saw exactly like coloration, black nose, brownish

(35:52):
black eyes with you, just a little white you can see.
And I saw the white as it was moving his
eyes watching me as I was laying back at an
aim And to this day, like I said, I wish
that I could have seen the entire thing. I wanted
to see its legs, to build up its legs, knowing
what I know now from watching mister Conde dark man

(36:16):
that kind of thing. And I don't know if it
was his or another one, but it was a lady
on that I was watching one night that actually saw one,
and she described something exactly what I saw. Her and
a son. She was coming from work or somewhere, and
she seen it at a garbage camp and she said, Chiwawa,
this thing looked like a giant chouina. I got a

(36:38):
CHOWEENI if you take my dog and stand him up,
that thing had to have been eight to nine feet
tall just to look in that woman. That tire was
about pretty good sized time on that carse it was
a full sized car. Oh Ford, Those tires was about

(37:02):
three three and a half three foot tied. I put
it at three foot tall and for us to stand
on that top that would put us at around eight
feet tall just to and then you had to pull
yourself up just to look into that little window. Like
I said, it couldn't open because I knew it couldn't
get in. I knew it. I mean, I knew it
couldn't get too if it stick it breaked the window.

(37:24):
You know, it couldn't just crawl through that window, would
have to bust through that wall. And then bring me
back to where I saw that movie Silver Bullet, and
I was saying, oh, I'm glad that thing didn't do
that buzz through the water. But even as I seen
Silver Bullet or the other weld war movie that I
never watched, but I just seen some previews come up,
nothing click until I seen this dog, or until I

(37:47):
seen that podcast for that lady said she saw a
chiahwahwah looking thing, bright shit, and I never forget she
was saying it was beautiful. I don't know if that
was mister big One or somebody else, but she was
saying it was beautiful. And this thing I saw it
wasn't hard. It just looked like a giant dogish. I
wouldn't even say, well, we probably would if I would

(38:09):
have seen the entire bill. I don't know if it
got it had a tail or not. I don't know
if its legs was like well they called it hocks
or something or whatever they call it, anything like that.
I don't know the length of its arms. I don't
know if it walked sloped over. I didn't know if
it had a hunk or anything in this back or anything.
I didn't know if it's arm was down by his knee,
because like I say, I didn't see the whole thing.

(38:33):
I wish now that I have seen the entire thing.
That was even time I was telling my brother, I
wish we could have snuck out the front door back
door and crawled up under the house for another angle
and shot in his leg and knocked it down or something.
But I'm glad we didn't knowing now, but it intrigued

(38:54):
me for forty some years, and it took me that
long to find out what I actually saw. And like
I said, when my dog did that, it came back
as if I was back there. Then it came back
as clear as that. I could now finally identify what

(39:15):
I saw, and.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
That put a lot of things into perspective.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
That's when I started watching this show more and more,
and I actually met people there was a man named
mister Rachel that stayed at Court of Georgia. At that time,
I'm a young man and I'm listening to him. I'm
in the Rachel supermarket. He's telling the story about he's
seen a sasquatch somewhere, and at that time, I'm like, yeah, yeah,

(39:41):
all right. But it takes you back now that I
know there are things out there that people have seen,
but they just can't identified, you know, and make somebody
believe what they saw. Like I said, it was the
time we was going on down there and there was
a rouse snake that we had to stopped because it

(40:04):
was crossing the road. And I knew it was a
rouse snack because I've seen the end of this rattles.
It was going from one field to the other. The
biggest roused nigger I've ever seen, nobody, Like I guarante
you that things over fifteen sixteen foot long, that's but
like I say, I can't prove it to me. I
know one hundred percent what I saw, no mistake about

(40:28):
my brother, same thing, same coloration, same eye, same hand.
He saw that entire thing. Never told anybody else other
than a couple of people at work, never asked my granddad,
my grandmother, never told my mother, never told my uncle
and now who used to come on the end visit
my granddad who was that sometime, never told my first cousin,

(40:50):
never told anybody, because I never heard anybody speak of anything. Granted,
there was only three houses that you got. Well, you
could see a fourth house, but it was further up
from a V shaped roll that road in one beard off.
It was one of the house about I said, a
little bit over a thousand yards you can see. Never
talked to those people, didn't even know them. No one

(41:13):
ever said any sane like that, other than mister Rachel
about he's seen a sasquad And I chalked that all
being young as I was, okay, he misidentified something. But no,
all these people they're seeing something. I know what I saw.
I know for a fact it was a dog man

(41:34):
exactly what not like the people described, but I guess
a different variation of being if you remember being the
same thing. It's just been the color all I could
see in that small I wish it was a well,
I don't wish it was a bigger wonder, but at
the same time, I wish it was a bigger window,
because I could have seen more of it snout lord

(41:57):
hands like it was like they said, put your hand
across the fence and then to hang down two hands
across the fence. That exactly had his hand up against
it as it was, had it hanging over something. The
screen was tore. It was grassy. My grandad a lawn more.
But you know, even if he molded no footprints. The
fields had no plants there. They had my granddad had

(42:19):
just plowed it up. And being that young, I didn't
think about to go out there in that field to
see did it go that way? It was a feeling
in front of on the other side of the dirt road,
and one on both sides of the houses behind it
leading back to the pond and the other wood. We
didn't think to go look to see. Was any footprints
out there to see, you know, try to gauge the side.

(42:43):
I know it was tall, and I knew it had
a big head and big hand, and that's it. Like
I said, I didn't see any other body chest wise
a little bit of the shoulder beat. Did it have
a tail or not? I don't know. I wish I
would have out there and check the plod up field,
cause I'm pretty sure it was some tracks that if

(43:05):
it went that way, because like I said, I fell
asleep as I was watching it, So I don't know
what time it left, what direction it went in. All
I know that it was there. It woke me up.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
It tore the screen a little bit to get to
that side, you know, I had to get this screen.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Screen was about I guess two inches separated the screen
from the actual little glass window, and that's two when
it's I didn't see any claws because of the way
it was bent down. I could just see the fingers
folded over. I didn't see any light claws, tielers or
anything like that. I just saw the brown coloration. There

(43:42):
was no hair on the fingers. You could see the
short hair on his face. I could see that clearly,
see that. And as like I said, it was this
peanut butter colored cardboard box color, just the whole color
and everything. And that's what I saw. And I'm sitting
down there and that's trying to by this thing. What
am I looking at? What is this thing? I'm not

(44:07):
scared because it never made any aggressive movement, gesture or anything.
That's one reason I wasn't scared. Second reason I wasn't scared.
I got we got too fully loaded shotguns, a boat
action and a pump shotgun less than i'd say, twelve
feet from eleven feet from me, from the other side

(44:29):
of that bed, leaning up against where that old grandfather
clock was, fully loaded, buck shot sludluck, buck shot flood.
So if the trick bust that winder, I'm gone for
the gun. Somebody go out the back door, I always stop,
or they get out there before we can get up.
We're running out there. My granddad had an old high
powered flashlight in case somebody need to use at our house.

(44:50):
They take that flashlight, oh yellow flashlight with like four bubbs,
and then you cut that thing on it. There's a
zoom in, a zoom out. And like I said, to
this day, I wish I had to took that flash
like that, me and my brother and just whether it
ran off or whatever it did. I really wish to

(45:11):
this day I could have. I know what it was
by face and hands, but I really wanted to see
the size of it, because like I see when I
wiped mister Connor thing, people seeing the entire thing. They
seen its legs and arm, his body the side, they
could gauge the weight of it. I couldn't do none
of that because, like I say, all I saw was
face and hands and his ears fold. But I never

(45:32):
forget the face, never forget the hand, and I'll never
forget the ears. And both ears folded back instantly like
if not in a fretting emotions. Like my dog, he'll
do it when he's see something he hears strained art though,
either he'll perk up and his ears to go back,
or I look at it, strange, it's ears to go back.
It's just like what you doing. I'm sure that thing

(45:53):
is trying to figure out what I was. And to
this day, how many times have that thing watch me fish,
watch me go down there and hunt or just walk
me just go down there, just to get away from
my accravating brothers and sister. Just go down there and
just walk up new woods. Sometime. I went by myself

(46:15):
hundreds of times, climbing trees down there, just sitting up
there in the cool breeze, up in a tree at
the time, with a pelic gun at the time, with
a mea big gun. I never went with the shotgun.
I never went down there with my thirty or six
Never I just stayed there with the scope on it,
scanning just around, trying to see, can I see this thing?

(46:41):
I want to see the whole thing. Will it come back?
Never did. From the years passed, I never seen anything
like it. I watched that window. There was time of night.
I woke up and I got in set straight up.
This time I went to an angle. Nothing. Never seen
it again. But I wonder how many time hasn't been

(47:02):
there watching us? Had it watched my mother in the
other room? Did it look out the other window? And
what did it watch? Was it watching my grandfather and grandmother?

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Those doors?

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Was you took a nail, took a piece of like
a six inch piece of wood, and nailed the nail
through it.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
That's the only thing kept the back door closed.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
You nail that nail into the walk of that stick
on and you turn that stick into the hole that door.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Front door had just a little silver thing screwed into it.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
And then the latch that they put that into it
like a circle on the end of it, of a
circle on the of the screw, and you screw it
in and then you put that latch on there and
you lack it. That was the only thing holding keeping
those doors from being open. My younger brother could have
kicked them in. I'm quite sure that thing could have
come for that, that flimsy house. It could have got

(47:56):
in if it wanted to. It could have come through
that one small show up that nail, and that thing
was coming out because we've done it. We've come not
thinking the door was opened it but it was locked.
And we pushed them that door and had to nail
it back in at a different place, because you know,
once you nail it and there it get loose. That
thing could have got in there, and that's would word
me and my brother. That's why we were sitting out

(48:17):
in that ditch hoping to see this thing. And yes,
at that time we were mad set on killing it.
But like I said, over the years, I wanted being grown.
I'm like that thing. It actually posed no threat. It
didn't threw me. I guess it's more like curious I was.

(48:38):
I was a bigger threat than it. I'm the one
to know what the shotguns over there. I'm a bigger
threat to it than it was to me. That's what
I've learned over the year. And now we would have
went out there. I don't know what it would have did.
It would have ran out, would the other attackers. Like
I said, it was no gesture of hostility from this thing.

(49:00):
I'm glad at this age that I actually got to
identify what I see. It put my mind at rest.
This little dog of mine laying here zero put my
mind at ease because I now know what I saw.
My older brother now know what he saw, and he
as we talked about it, no older than all that.

(49:21):
He didn't say, well wolf, He didn't say dog man
anything like that. And you know, I'm gonna ask him
one of these a saying I'm suggest I want you
to check out something. I'm gonna send him a picture.
I'm put this dog in the same position. I guarantee
you he's gonna say that's what I saw, because as
he told me, you know, the same coloration, same eyes,

(49:41):
same hands, everything identical. And I'm like, I done, sen Hey,
dog man, well wolf didn't come out because to me,
a man changed and growing bone masks and mouse stretching
out that that's inconceivable to me. But like I said,
once I seen that, that put me at like, Okay,

(50:05):
you didn't believe in that monsters you didn't believe in
when you was to watch thee podcast. You didn't believe in,
but you didn't believe in his dog man. You didn't
believe in that, but you just didn't know you saw one.
Took this little dog, and it took that lady seeing
it described it once she's seeing a garbage can. And
it took this dog for me to finally figure out

(50:27):
what I seen, and I could just close my eyes
and bring that image back up perfectly. I now know
that details of it. How it's not. If it would
have lifted the snot up, I would have seen it
was long. I can tell it was long because his
eyes was up a bull a little bit, even to
the top of that window, so I had about a

(50:50):
foot a window to see it it snop. So I
know that's not what it at least a foot long,
because I seen the tip of his nose as far
as showing his teeth note growling, No no sound, obviously
no smell, because nowhere inside the house nothing, only movement
was his ears, eyes and his hand when it was

(51:11):
tapping on that winter when I stood up, I mustn't
surprised it and it froze never took his eyes off. Never,
at no time did it take and at no time
when I took my eyes off. There a couple times
letting over the sea if anybody going out that door,
and then see what time it was. And like I said,
I'm glad that I got this dog or it put

(51:33):
my mind at rest because I I for years and
years and years, I'm trying to figure out what what
did you see, James?

Speaker 3 (51:41):
What did you see?

Speaker 1 (51:45):
I heard about these dog man now because I started
watching this right and I still do, and I'm gonna
earn that for this, I'm gonna watch some more because
now I'm intrigued. I'm like I said, I'm here in
Texas and I've even seen knowing some on the park
at people's in various parts of tees close around where
I said they have seen them. I go to a
ranch with a friend of mine. I help whole week.

(52:06):
Now I have a thirty or circle with night vision,
thermovisi and all there. And I go to his ranch
because it's the weak target practice out there, the sidey
guns and the Sini thermos in the night vision infrared
and all that, and I'm just wondering while we're out
here doing this, or how many times I've been here
in Texas in these wood fishing and hunting.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
What was looking at me? These noise I hear in
the wood.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Maybe could have been like I said, Oh, I get,
I wasn't paying attention because my mindset was the biggest
thing you're gonna see is a cow. But seeing some cayo,
there's no bearings up there for us, I know, And
that certainly wasn't no bear looking at me in that
wonder that I thought about that, it wasn't no barrel.
I knew exactly where the bear is. I know where
the bear looks. I've seen them. I've seen them walking around.

(52:58):
Was not at Zoo's and all that. And like I said,
that night, I eliminated everything. I eliminated deer. A deer
stand up. It would have been a very big deer,
but not with hands like that, not with a face
like that, not with ears, not with eyes like that,
and not a head that big that basketball. Take up
basketball and a football. Place that football at the bottom

(53:24):
of that basketball in that little bit and you'll have
basically what the size of that thing what I was
looking at and with his head down and it snouted down.
That's what I saw, and it took this dog here,
he's about I put him in fifteen pounds, a little

(53:47):
small dog. It's a little small chewena. It's a Chihuahua
and a winter dog combination to come up with a chiweenie.
He's got a little long body, pretty good decent sized
snat on him. Like I said, he's got pretty big eyes.
And the thing eyes were big.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Here.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Let me tell you that his eyes were big, bigger
than a Selver dollar. Yes, bigger than a Selver dollar.
The fingers far longer and larger than mine. That should
have scared me there when you see the size of
his fingers, Like I say, I focus on the finger.
What took my eyes off the fingers? When his ears

(54:25):
went back and I kind of glanced up looked his ears,
but then it rale up under that there go his
eyes and so we locked eyes. I know people say
thing get aggress if you locked eyes. When I learned
over the years, but at the age I couldn't help it.
When we locked eyes, we just it was like a
sense of I'm trying to figure out what it is,

(54:49):
and it's trying to figure out what I am or
why I'm looking at it like that? Why I guess
why I'm not scared. There was nothing like any mind
speak what I now hear something woman? Nothing like that,
no sense of dread anything. I had a sense of
security because A. I'm inside the house. B the small

(55:09):
woman c two lower shotguns over there, and so I'm
pretty much secure now. It was it a bigger wonder?
Did we only had a pallet gun that we were
been there, we would have came at that time, probably
would have scared me half to death if I would
have jumped.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
I'm glad my younger siblings didn wake up.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
The three between me and my h the two between
me and my older brother was six of us, my
sister and one of the two. And yeah, the two
between me and my brother come other younger brother slept,
my sister in other bed. Had they woke up and
looked at it, I guarantee you they would have been
hollering and screaming. The thing probably would have run away.

(55:50):
I probably could run outside with that flashlight. I probably
gotta look at it then. But I knew had they
would have said or somebody would out there doing that
thing would have confronted them. It would have been some
screaming and hollering. So I'm glad that didn't happen. Like
I said, it was no aggression to it. It was
nothing to scare me. It just put me on alert
to know, now watch your surroundings more. Because we went

(56:14):
hunting after that, we went fishing after that. Never seen
anything close or remotely close to what you know, I've
seen that one. He was on alert too, my older
brother because we we now find ourselves coming back up
out of there when we got a little light.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
We never took any flashlight.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
That was not that we were the only thing. We
took more shelves and our jacket pocket and that was it.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Sometimes we had the shotguns.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Tied a rope around because we didn't have the you
know anything that scrapped anything, tyler rope around, throw them
over our shoulder, and took the pelt gun because we
didn't want to shoot the new little birds little turtles
in the little pond with the shotgun, so we took
the peilant guns too. But we always made sure we
had those shotgun buckshots little buckshots slot and we went
down there. But like I said, we never seen anything
now footprints or anything or nothing like that. We wasn't

(57:03):
looking for it. And but that's my encounter. And like
I said, those two things, that gigantic snake and that
thing I saw in the woman, and it now put
me into I know there are things out loocause, like
I said, I've heard people say what they saw, things
of what they saw, the skin walkers. I had a

(57:24):
guy up here that was a guy up here, wrecked
his car coming from Gatesville, Texas. I met him in
Gatesville and I had to take my brother to want
of my brothers to court. Down there in the court
when he was talking about he wrecked his car because
he saw a skin walker. And that was the preson
that I ever heard that word was skin walker. He

(57:46):
wrecked his car for a skin walker.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
And I knew, like I said at that time that
before I had this.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Dog, I'm like, okay, what's a skin walker? Looked it up?
Oh yeah, oh yeah, okay, here we go again. You
probably drunk and just ran a car the rod. You
talk things like that. But after I found out what
I saw, I'm not putting nothing past anybody else what

(58:12):
they saw. I was in the Navy, San Diego, California,
seeing things paper wise. I was a radio man on
the ship It's Nimic Aircraft carrier, and I seen some

(58:38):
top secret document. Nothing like you know what crip was
anything like that, every but it was. It was things
seeing a gigantic shark go up on the A mya
coil the US is mind cord. It was the first
ship I was on before I got transferred to US
as NIM as a radio man telecommunication in there with
sound power telephone. I was in the US is mine.

(59:00):
I called ya frigate fast frigate FFG so not ff
g FF wasn't got it was at nuclear It was
just a fl and I just seen a big white
looking shark go up under it off big fish go
up on it and come back over. I used to
hang off the side of that ship, like I said,
I wasn't scared of anything at that that at young age.

(59:22):
Me and Darrel Dark, a friend of mine, new we
just hang out the side of the ship. Like I said,
nothing scared me. And I'm kind of glad I was
in that mindset because I didn't panic that night. I
didn't fire a shot through that window or nothing like that.
I'm just glad I was my I don't know. My
brother saying way that it wasn't scared of nothing. We
see it, we see it.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
It attacked us, We attack it. That's that's the mindset when.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
We freaking the shot ones can kill anything that we
seen down there, deer, wild boar, never killed a deer
on wild pig, anything like that. There's rabbit sculls and
the couple of ducks every now and then it land
in that pond and we catch them before because of
the anger. We crawl up on them and jump up
and they try to fly. Bring them down with the

(01:00:05):
shot guns. That's it. But to this day I wondered
how many times had that thing watch us down there hunt?
How many time I had to see my granddad clown
the field. How many time had to see you, mister
l out there target practicing with this ripper him in
the sun. How many time had seen you know, anybody

(01:00:26):
else that went down there fishing has just missed sitting
there watching. How long has it been down there? How
many is it more than one? That's you know? The
thing went through my mind. If it's one, that's another
they had young, was some smaller down there? Put the
little rustling in the bushes or could have been high

(01:00:47):
or scurrying away because we heard chalk it up to
a wild hit, right, because it was thick down there,
really thick. That's why we wanted jacket to keep from
the little sticks, from sticks on all that. We just
push our way through. It didn't make no difference. We
didn't try to find no alf or anything. We walked
directly through the bushes and we didn't care. At that age,

(01:01:09):
we go in black dog, coming back no light. We
know that whatever we coming at, we're gonna either come
out by the road Mr. Alehouse or his son's house
or the pond. We know we're gonna eventure come out,
and we walk full enough, we're gonna hit that dirt road.
You gonna guarantee hit that dirt road. And we just
no which way to walk left or right to get
back to my grandad's house. So we didn't care. They

(01:01:29):
didn't snakes didn't care. We ain't even thinking about dog
Man or big for nothing like that. But at that time,
you know, monster, this thing's still here? Is it gone?
Was that that thing that darkness saw running across her
and aunts in front of that car, was it was
five miles away joint the sippy to my grandma house
about five miles away leading back to card here. Was

(01:01:52):
that it? This iss gone? Did it die? It's still
allied to this day, that's the thing. Yeah, it's still
allied to the deck. Why I got it right here?
While I'm always it's jokingly saying, my little dog, is
it just struck down and came back to me? But
in reality? Is it? Is it still alive? I'm still alive?
My brother still alive? Is that my own simple still
a live? Is it still there? Has it moved on?

(01:02:14):
Has it made it? Or that more? Has anybody else
seen something that looked like it down there? Like I said,
when I moved to Texas, I haven't been back to Georgia.
One time that was my mom's criminal and other than that,
I went. We went to the area. The house is
gone now, it's a complete field now, mister el house
still down there, son, I was still down there brick houses.

(01:02:35):
But our grandfather's out there. It's been tore down. I
guess the pond's still there, just a complete field. There's
no mailbox. And we just me and my older brother
just went down there reminiscing. We went down to my
old and average arge where we went through the woods
down there, just as big as Bianna, matter of fact,
bigger and wood would like area. What. Never saw anything

(01:02:58):
like that, never heard anybody say anything like that until
you know, I got out his podcas. I hear people
from Georgia, certain parts of George that I know about that,
they've seen them here in Texas, up in Florida where
my aunt staying out. But no, I am said nothing
about that, So I only hear it on these podcasts,
but I know that I'm one of them. I saw

(01:03:19):
it two hours more, looking at it directly at it.
Couldn't mistake it for nothing at that time but the Mars.
But now I know that was their dog head even
went back just like this one, snout point it down,

(01:03:40):
eyes just like this dog mouth down black, No, just
like them, same color, same color. It was a time
I thought I was looking at my reflection cause I'm
about to saying, cause I'm peanut butter color, a black guy,
peanut butter color. That's what I'm big. Okay, I get

(01:04:01):
my I see my reflection at that time, I'm trying
to chalk it up. Went until my brother said, did
you see that thing in the window last night. I'm like, okay, yeah,
I saw it, and I left the shot going die.
I used to take it home with my granddad' shot

(01:04:22):
caught here then we go to Average to my grandmother,
my grandmother's house on my dad's side. Glad Now, but
I didn't take it. I left it buck shots love buckshot,
and that was for the protection of my granddad. Never
told them what we saw, never told anybody, Glad. I
didn't because, like I said, they never see anything over

(01:04:43):
the years of coming back that that one incident. And
like I say, to this day, I wish I could
see enough. I don't care what kind it is, what
type it is. If I learned there are different types.
Now I don't care. I wish I could be passing
out of my car and just see what one running
from front of me and y'all standing side the road WITHO.
I'm just gonna glance, Okay, thank you by and I'll

(01:05:03):
be satisfied. I still hope that because I want to
see a fool everything. I want to see the full body,
not just the head in hand. That didn't satisfy me
that now, it didn't satisfy me. Like then, I really
I didn't care because now I'm young, like I say, fearless,

(01:05:26):
thinking the shot guns were cannons could stop any thing.
But I'm so glad that I got this dot because
that finally put my mind at ease. I now know
exactly what I saw, big giant dog like creature looking
at me in the window, and I wish to this

(01:05:50):
day I could have seen the horse. I wish you
would have walked off, and I wish I could have
just peeped at the back door with I didn't know
an it, shine the flashlight on it, just to see
what its entire body looked like. Judging from the side
of his head and his hand, it had to have
been big. I knew it was tall to actually look
in at that windom, unless it was standing up on

(01:06:11):
that tie whatever. You no, the tires always locked up
in the sheds, and the old ball hited tied old
huged tie, but he always locked them up in a
little small shed, and I wish I could have seen it.
I wish I could have seen at least a track
if I done had no since then, I wish I

(01:06:32):
could have seen just how big these tracks were. The
Only thing I know the coloration how it looked, and
it was tall over eight big tall, and to this day,
I still can't believe it. Something that tall, hit that
big hand that big and wow, the same thing I'm

(01:06:54):
watching on mster Connor think I saw one. I have
joined those people. Uh well, I've been a member of
them all this wild and just didn't know it. But
now I do. And that's what happened. And I'm glad
this dog pretty much put me onto it. And that

(01:07:15):
lady that described it when she saw it took those
two things to take me back there to finally identify
what I seen, because back then the only dogs that
I had was my granddad's house, my grandmother and my
grandad house on my dad's side was sharp muzzled little
pit bull pit bull mixes, and like I say, the

(01:07:39):
smallness of the towns we went to that when nobody
didn't have You didn't see German shepherds or the other
dog when he lost that Wait, it just didn't happen.
People didn't know Chiweni's. I ain't know what CHIMWENI was
never heard the name. And the dogs we seen was
these big rock wallers pit bulls or or either these

(01:08:02):
one Lady of Saint. But no, and that's all I'm
used to, That's all I'm seeing. Like I said, I
never looked at Wellworth movies over the years I've seen
Tilly was. It was the only one I actually sat
down and watched the entire thing. And the only reason
I watched that because I was intrigued about I wanted
that well with Forget that boy's uncle because he didn't

(01:08:24):
believe him. That's the only reason I watched it. But
other than that, that's my encounter.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
One thing's for sure, James, you definitely don't frighten easily.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Dia. Oh no, that's I picked up Raleigh snakes, four
or five long Ralph snakes, I like I said, clam
chip top trees and all that. I've been in pins
with bulls down there on Araba, Georgia, my dad's house.
Whenever down in there wanted the slaughter the pigs for him,

(01:08:55):
I've done it for them. I've got in fences with
aggressive dogs and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
It did nothing scarcee me, I'd say, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
That one thing scared me. A catfish a catfish, I
am not picking up a catfish. I will pick up
a rattlesnake before I pick up a catfish.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Well because of the barbs.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
That's right. And I tried. My brother caught a very
big one at that same pawn down there in Vana, Georgia,
behind my granddad's house. He caught a really big catfish
out that pawn. That poe was known for a big catfish,
and it broke the line and it was flopping trying
to get back into the water, and me, being a dummy,

(01:09:42):
ran over there and grabbed that fish by his head,
and it made me turn it loose. From this day on,
I would never touch a catfish. He had to kick.
We got the fish. He grabbed it by his tail
and pulled it up over that back and through it
into the feel. That's all we got that fish. But

(01:10:02):
from that day I and anybody that know me, they
would tell you he would two things the James Blower
will never do. Either pickle or pick up a catfish.
Never I cut the line if I catch one, or
I have somebody else take it off. They kept trying
to show me, I don't know, put your hand behind
this box. I'm not doing it. I'm not picking up

(01:10:24):
a catfish. And I take a stick and push it
back behind a rob's neck head and reach down there
and pick him up. You'll pick up a rob snake
before you pick up a catfish. Yes, I will. I
sure will not picking up a catfish. I've been close
to alligators fishing. We had one about twelve foot long

(01:10:47):
in Cordeas who I stayed at that stayed in the point,
never bothered anybody. And I'm looking at it and looking
at me. I just walked by it and just looked
at it. It never did come out, And that's no,
young not scared of anything. And if actually the thing
you no, it did something and they took it to
the All Bennie Blue.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
They capt we were sitting there watching it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
They tracilized it and put it on something and took
it to the All Bending so they said it was
getting too big for that part. It was a pay
pond that people can go there and pay the fish,
and they paid for the fish by the pounds. And
that thing was eve carps and the other big fish.
And they finally called it trackilized and trapped it and
took it to the zoo and All Bennie and we

(01:11:30):
were still watching them at the haller down it's pretty big.
Another one, a guy had it in his pawn and
he wanted us somebody to eliminate it for him, and
he got us to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Yeah, I'd say you aren't afraid of anything if you
did all those things except for catfish, of course, for
the reasons you laid out. Yeah, that catfish. That must
have made quite the example of you'd have some fear
of these guys.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
But I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
It doesn't feel good when they sting you. We're over
an hour into this, James, and I've got plenty of
questions for you. Would you be okay coming back for
a part too, so I could ask you all these
questions and I might be able to get some listener
questions too that they want me to ask you as well.
Would you be okay with that?

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Sure? I sure would.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Oh good. Well, that's what we'll do then, and hopefully
when you come back for part two, you'll have some
good pictures of Zero. You won't mind me posting so
everybody can see them.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
I'm gonna get a picture of him in that same position.
I'm gonna capture a picture of him because he loved
to do it. I just have to throw my arm up,
and he loved to play. He'll stand up on his
high leg and throw his arm up at the truth
front piles across me and hold his head down and
just look at me. And then I would just say, yeah,
you know, I'll go back and if I can catch
I'll have my son catch that picture. I'll send it

(01:12:45):
to you and just make and then draw that up
one hundred times bigger. That's what I saw.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Well, that'll be the money shot. I sure hope you
can get it. And yeah, like I told you, thank
you so much for your time for coming on and
telling us all about that experience. And of course I'm
looking forward to having you come back for part two.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Okay, I'm looking forward to it myself.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
All right, great, well, yeah, thanks again so much for
your time in. I'll talk to you next week