Dogmen Weren’t on the List - Dogman Encounters Episode 588 - Dogman Encounters Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
At a book in.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Tonight's guest is Dave. Dave, welcome to the show.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Thank you, Vick, glad to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Well, it's great having you. Thank you for your time. Dave,
please give us a brief bio in yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
All right, Well, I'm living Alabama, coud On, Alabama, Georgia
line in my mid fifties, hunting fish my whole life.
I've done a lot of different trades in the past
twenty years. I've did uh fence work. That's my labor.

(02:06):
Just basically one of them good old boys down here
in the South. I try to keep to the South.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Well, there's nothing wrong with that. That's how you stay
out of trouble, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
That's the best way I can stay out of trouble.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Bit Well, it works better for some of us than others.
But now I understand, Dave. When you reached out to
me for the first time, you mentioned the fact that
dog Mean and Sasquatch had been around your whole life
due to the amount of time that you've spent outside.
What kinds of things have you done in the woods

(02:38):
in close to them?

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Though? Oh lord, I mean I've been in tree stands
and had them walk up behind me after it in
the you know, wee hours of the morning, I've heard
over the ridgetops chattering just uh and the dog man.

(03:00):
I just really had noticed him about twenty seventeen. I
would have never believed in anything like that. I mean,
I'd have believed in a lot of other things. For
would have believed in a dog man. But when you
see one, the whole world changes.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, that it does. And that doesn't make you any
different from most eyewitnesses, because most eyewitnesses they didn't believe
in dog men either until they saw one.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
That's right. You know, I said, I'd have believed in
a lot of other things. But just being in the
woods your whole life, you hear things, and you see things,
and you know some things you used to and there's
some things. It's a want of a time thing. And
if you're out there sometimes you mean you'll see it,
and if you're not there, you want and some people

(03:48):
are come and tell you that, Well, I've been it
was my whole life, and I've never seen nothing. Well,
you might have seen something and you just didn't know
what she was looking at.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, that's a good point. When I hear that coming
out of one hundred mouth or's someone who thinks they've
spent a lot of time in the woods. I just
ask them, Okay, well, if that's the case, how many
kestrels have you seen in the woods? And almost every
time I'll get this blank stare because most of them
haven't seen the kestrel or they didn't know what they
were looking at. But yeah, kestrel, that's a small predatory bird.

(04:18):
It's smaller than a hawk, smaller than a falcon, but
it's the most numerous predatory bird in the lower forty
eight states. So this argument is a really weak one
that if dogmen are out there, if sasquatch were out there,
then I would have seen one. Well, you haven't seen
a kestrel, and there are more of them than any
other predatory bird out there, hawks, falcons, you name it.

(04:40):
So what does that say about your argument about I
haven't seen a sasquatch or a dog man?

Speaker 1 (04:46):
And that's right, that's exactly right.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, definitely. You live in Lee County, Alabama. Have you
tried to find out if anyone else is reported seeing
a dog man in your area?

Speaker 1 (04:59):
I really, I mean there's on Facebook and stuff, there's
little pages on. Now. I don't prove that stuff. Now,
I haven't really asked around. I've had a friend called
he's recently deceased. But he's just a big old man.
He's bigger than I am. And he's been in the
woods his whole life. He's hunting all over the southeast.

(05:20):
He run dogs, a dog runner, avid dog runner. But
he called me early one morning, about six thirty and
his first words out of his mouth was, day coursing
these dead blame wood behind the house back there he lives.
The crows shot from me, probably about half a mile
through the woods on a creek back here behind our house.

(05:42):
And you know, to hear this man ask me that,
and that just kind of blows my mind. But it
went around his house and woke him up, got him
out of bed, and he was on the Bailly Cross
and to his hall with his three fifty seven in
his hand. And he said it was out and on

(06:07):
the front by the creek. And he went out front
and it would be on one side of the house
and more or less, howl, howl, a growd. He I mean,
he said, the way I describe it is like a
woman screaming. And then it turns into kind of a
howl and growl, and it's you can hear it a

(06:28):
long way off, and if you hear it up close,
it will penetrate your body. But you know, I kind
of describe what I what I've heard back here, and
he said, that's it. Nail on the head, Dave. But
it had jumped off into a ravine right next to
his and his neighbor's house, which is about forty foot deep.

(06:51):
And he didn't need to say. He didn't go looking
for it. He just sit up and drunk coffee and
call me when it got daylight. But yeah, there's me.
I've had a lot of folks tell me of a
black panther siting around here, something black crossing the road,
and everybody assumes it's a black panther. I have no
idea what it is, but I've got lots of neighbors

(07:11):
just seeing that. As far as this other. Now, my
neighbor across the street, I think he's seen what I've
seen the way he described it by without me giving
him any information. So I'm pretty much they seen it
after I did, trying to get their dog out of
their pen.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Oh that's not good. What kind of a dog.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
It was a blue healer and it was in like
two twelve by twelve pins put together. And they had
the guy and his girlfriend. They've been out riding dirt
roads that night and they come in. When he turned
in the driveway, they seen something at the dog pen
and she said it was had his head stuck in

(07:55):
through the pen trying to get the dog, and he
didn't really see it because he was driving, and but
she said when they turned in, it pulled his head
out of the pen, looked at them and sprang across
the pen into some pine trees, just a little pine
ticket of just seedlings coming up, but they were probably

(08:15):
about bigg around as your wrist and it was a
real thick area and she said it sprung into it
and he shot at it twice.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
He said he's seen the eyes down in the trees
down and he said he's seen the eyes before the
lights hit them. He said there was an amber color
and that's you know, kind of what you know. I
go by when I when somebody tells me something. If
they got the amber color eyes, I know exactly what
they've seen. But yeah, and how he had a shotgun

(08:46):
with him and he shot twice at it. He said,
I shot directly at his eyes the head the first time,
he said, the suckond shot was just uh, you know,
a back. But you know that that family moved not
because of this, they just sold the house and downside
since then. But uh, I hadn't really had any you know,

(09:08):
thing in the past lately or heard anything lately. That's
been about two years ago, three years ago when that happened.
But yeah, that's about all I other, you know, other
than what I've seen, you know. But like I said,
there's quite a numerous people that say they say a
big black panther around, and it could be the same thing,

(09:29):
because I mean what I've seen is very long, kind
of humped back and with a very long tail, and
it could be mistaken crossing the road at nine is
a black panther. Also, Well, I tell you I have
another friend and he said his sister seen one about

(09:50):
a mile and a half from here on another road.
It's a little bit more off the river than where
we're at. But uh, she was a nurse and she
was coming home at night after twelve I think, and
she said, is she come around a curve? She thought

(10:11):
it was a person at first, but it was just
walking across the road. She said. When she got to it,
she slowed and it had got it and she said
that she passed it. She looked and it whipped over
her shoulders and said it was a dog standing up right.
She called her a werewolf. But I mean, this woman,
she's as saying as they come. You know, she's an honest,

(10:34):
church going woman, you know, just and she really was
not really wanting to, you know, say anything about it,
but she said something to her brother, and you know,
he was good with it, and he told me, and
then you know, once I was good with it, she
told me. That's about all around this area.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Well it might come as bad news. You probably already
know this news, but yeah, there's new shorditch of dog
men down there in Alabama. So that would explain why
so many people, you know, have had these experiences.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Unfortunately, I agree, I really do, you know, you know,
and you know, and now the what the internet at
the way it is, you know, people will put stuff
out there.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
And who are used to you know, you didn't want
to go tell everybody in the community you had seen something,
you know that they think he was crazier therese don't
you know what you've been smoking or what you've been drinking.
But you know, nowadays the outlooks changed, I guess people
either wise enough, there's just more people are coming forward
with it. But yeah, there's things I tell that you

(11:43):
that most people wouldn't believe. They think we're crazy.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Well they can think you're crazy. All they want, you
know the truth, and they don't. And that's all there
is to it. But having said that, let's get down
to brass tacks now, Dave, please tell us about your encounters. Now,
give us every last detail that comes to mind.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
All right. Vick, my son was getting married in UH
twenty seventeen in October UH second week, and he wanted
me to cook home a brunch of stew or the
weading reception, and I told him I would, So I

(12:25):
got all my stuff together, and a few days before
the wedding, I went ahead and made the steer another way.
I cooked stews. I cooked my twenty gallon cast iron pot,
cook it on a real, real coal fire. I have
two or three fires burning at the same time, so
I can get my coals out and put under my pot,

(12:46):
and somebody's always stirring the stew if and if it's
just me cooking, I'm doing a lot of stirring. But uh,
this night, a particular evening, it hadn't got dark yet.
It was probably an hour two hours for a dust
when I got started. But I mean, this ski would

(13:08):
take me three days to cook and put together and
have ready to serve. And it's two long days. But
the first night I was had my meat on the smoker,
and I was boiling some chicken some hens in the
cast iron pot to make my stock with. And it

(13:30):
was smelling pretty good around here, and it was it
had been a pretty day in the evening, was a
real beautiful evening and had a blueberd. It's a few
clouds in the sky, but not mean, and you know,
it's just been a great day. Everything was going well.
And over here where I was going planning on setting
up my pot and cooking, I had to move some things.

(13:51):
So I went and got the long tractor and hooked
a little waggon up to it, and I pulled over there,
and I made two good hauls over to the other
side of the yard where my chicken hands are at,
and I put this stuff. I set it up over
there with some other junk should just jump. I had,
and I had about four or five more pieces over there,

(14:11):
and each load had took me about, you know, five
minutes to load it. So I on this last load,
I went over and I just throwed the pieces in
the wagon and took off back over there. And as
I come up, I had been pulling up to the
chicken pan, making a U turn, straightening back out and unloading.

(14:32):
When as I did this, I looked down my fence line,
which I have a right behind me. I have five
acres fenced in for my horse horses, and I run
an electric wire and each wire is about where the
bottom wires, about eighteen inches off the ground. The second

(14:53):
wire be a little bit over two foot right there,
around two foot a little over, and then the other
one will be up there around the top man about
forty seven forty six forty seven inches. But as I
turned made my U turn, I looked down my fence line,
and I've seen I thought it was a code. At first.

(15:16):
It was darker on this back down its mid back,
and I could tell it had a real long tail.
But what got me was the tail looked bushy, I
mean real excessively bushy like you when you a cat
is scared, have it this hair stands up. Well, this
tail was about big around as a chimney sweeps blue.

(15:38):
That's what it looked like for me. And I am
not but about at this point, I wasn't twenty yards
from it. And there's like I said, it's a field
and it's electric wire. I mean there's not even a
hogwire or field wire. I mean, it's just three wires
in between us, and it's going. It's headed away from me,
but it's the chicken pen is headed is in line

(16:01):
with the fence line. And so what I'm thinking it's
a coyote or something that's been behind it food with
the chickens, because I had been missing a few chickens
up to this point. And it done got enough to
where I was really noticing it, and so I said,
uh huh, I'm fixing to pop me a kode. And
I had on It's a rough Rider twenty two long rifle,

(16:25):
twenty two magnum of Ovrol cowboy style gun. It was
my son's, but I just put it on because I
was just gonna shoot it some while I was out
there cooking and getting everything ready. Usually I told her
forty five. I mean I care it every day. I mean,
I've got it on me right now, but this this
particularly evening, I didn't have it. And I said, what
I mean, I wasn't worried. Twenty two magnum. I pop

(16:47):
him right behind the head. I know this gun's very accurate,
the twenty two mag So I pulled a long track
trap and I did as I had before. All I
was doing was I just stop it sets parking and
I let down. I wasn't turning off. I did the
same thing. And when I stepped off the tractor, I
looked and it got a little bit further away, but

(17:10):
it's but it's got to turn, make a forty five
degree turn at what I call a dog leg, and
come back towards me to continue on this rounde well,
I mean, as I when I get broadside and I
can see it, I have my tea post from my
electric fence. They're set up sixteen foot apart. I use

(17:36):
a trampoline spring on the end of each run to
keep the wire's tart. And if something falls on it,
you know, I can just go stretch it back up
for a new spring. Want to be done, but my
you know, like I said, my post sixteen foot apart. Well,
and this thing is in this section sixteen foot and

(17:56):
there's barely enough room to see any light between the
nose of it and the tail. Now this is before
it's done, it, before it's got dark. This is a
righte pre dust hole. I mean, you can still seek out,
you can see decently, but it's fixing to me dark.
And twenty thirty minutes. Well, so I took two steps

(18:22):
and there's I have a gate there, and it's one
of these old riveted stamp metal gates. And if you've
ever seen one or used one, you know the noise
they make when you look at them much less when
you touch them. But so I walked over and I
was just gonna prop up on this gate and draw
good bead on this creature. But as I'm looking at it,

(18:43):
I'm like, I can't shoot this crew. I don't know
what this is. I can't shoot it. I mean, it's
not a it's not a kyote, it's not a cat.
I've seen. I've seen one cat back here behind my house.
I've had that on video in any fishing game in
Alabama or Georgia. Don't tell you. We don't have them

(19:03):
down there, but I got a camera that says they
do with a chip. But anyway, this is not I can't.
I mean, and just walking down the fence line, you
can tell it's back end, it's hind the ends. It's
above the eighteen inches not to the two foot marks,

(19:26):
probably a little bit over eighteen inches high off the
ground judging from where I have my wires, and you
can give a taking inch depending on how many times
I've changed those insulators. And the front of it was
a good deal above the center wire, and it looked
to be it looked to have a hump back. You

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couldn't make the head out. It didn't have a long snout.
And you can just see the head that come up
the back. Like I said, look hump back. And as
it broke over the hump back and come back down
to the head it is. I don't know if it
might have had a what kind of head. I didn't
say the head, Uh, just take But I mean, I'm

(20:13):
telling myself whether you're gonna shoot it or not, you know,
and I'm having to make all these decisions split second,
and I said, well, no, I'm not. I don't know
what it is, so I can't shoot it. What I'm
gonna do is I'm gonna shoot out in front of it,
and it's gonna run off, and I'm gonna get uh,
it's gonna turn this corner, and I'm gonna get to see,
you know, a better view of it, because it's the
way it's walking. It hadn't made that forty five degree

(20:34):
turning it. So I aim and I'm probably ten foot
in front of it and about six foot up. I
just wanted to concussion, to go in this way, to
scare it all because, like I said, I've been losing chickens.
So I cocked the gun and I laid my hand
up on this gate and when that thing, all it

(20:57):
did made one creak. Now taking mind, this long more
is still running, the long truck. It's still running. It's
island low and it runs good. It ain't it's loud,
but it ain't that loud. And the one little creek
off this gate, this thing turns and it don't look around.
It looked straight at me in my eye as I'm

(21:19):
looking it dead in the eyes looking for me dead
and the eye and there's probably thirty yards in between us.
I mean it's open grass, and I mean it looks
and when it turned its head and its eyes they
got they as big as the bottom of a cocoa chure,
and they were about eight inches apart. I mean at

(21:42):
this distance, I mean I could tell that they wasn't
I had never seen anything its eyes. It was this
far apart. In my life. That may be a bull
or you know, a chaos something of that nature. But
I mean, so, I mean that kind of that's surprising.
And I hadn't pulled the trigger yet, So I mean,

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I'm sitting there and this is all. It seems like
it took forever, but it's you know, it seemed it
went down quick, and it's I guess I surprised it.
I don't. I you know, I don't think it was
expecting me back that soon. But you know, it looked
at me and his eyes was that amber. I mean,
I'm like, my god, what is this? And I've already

(22:26):
had my gun up there and I pulled the trigger,
and like I said, I was about twelve foot out,
six foot down, and I didn't never see it. I
mean it didn't. I didn't see it run off. I
didn't see what it did, like I'd like to said,
we used to. I've run dogs my whole life up

(22:46):
until we couldn't or you had to have a lot,
a lot of land. But I mean, I shoot both
eyes open. I mean I've shot on the run so
much it's unreal. And you know, I'm I don't flinch
when I shoot a lot, I don't flinch. I don't
close my eyes. And when I pulled the trigger, this

(23:07):
thing it ceased to it to me, it ceased to exist.
And I'm like, my god, where did it go. I'm listening,
you know, my ears or they're working my my, I'm
looking on my I'm used to looking, looking, looking and listening, listening,
and nothing, just nothing, my lord, you know, where did

(23:28):
this thing go? And then I'm like, okay, so I
had my arm. It's getting darker now because I mean this,
you know, it wasn't that far before dark. Well I've
seen his eyes that I didn't have a light or nothing.
His eyes illuminated their self. I mean, I could still

(23:49):
have a good shot of his side. It was his
side corner and away from them, and you know, it
just blow my mind. But anyway, so I'm standing now,
I walk back over to the lawnmower, and I take
my headlight off and I just had to put a
new batteries in it. I don't know what loom it is,
but it's very, very very bright. And I put it

(24:14):
on my hat and I'm turned it on and it's
got a spotlight mode on it, and I'm running up
and down my fence. I'm shining it to the back
of the property as far as it'll go. And then
I mean, I'm looking out towards my neighbor's house over
here to in between men and his house. There's an

(24:35):
old trailer rut there and I'm looking, you know, over
this way, and you know, I just can't. I don't
see it. Well, I'm getting ready to go back and
just go back to cook and stew and I'm running
headlight up and down the line one more time. And
there from where it was standing to where I see

(24:57):
it at, it's probably about yeah, thirty to forty, about
thirty thirty five foot and there's a terrace in between
where it was at and where there's an oak tree,
a white oak, and it has been here forever because
it take it take probably four grown men to reach

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all the way around. And I had a chicken pen
down there, uh, and that I put a little cockrel in,
uh to keep them, you know, keep my hands. And
now when when the hens had the chicks and everything,
I had to go ahead and saw them and I'd
sell the hens, and then the little cockrels. I'd sell

(25:41):
them also at a flea market. But I had a
little pen down there, and when I belt it, I
mean it was six foot high. I had bought four
by fours eight foot to put as the corners down there.
And when I'm scanning the listen and this is right
up front of the white oak tree. And when I'm

(26:03):
in my light comes by and I say, just a
little glimmer of something, and then I lock back on
it and it's two orange eyes and they're not wide anymore.
It's like it had closed them and we had slits

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and it was peeping through slits right, you know, halfway open.
Or it might have been normal where I mean where
I scared it, and this might have got wid I
don't know. But anyway, I see this and I'm like, okay,
this is the heigh. Did it get right there? So

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you know, I'm all processing all this at that time,
so I still got my twenty two in the hand.
I said, well, if that thing didn't run off when
I pulled the trigger, I mean, that tells me right
there that you know I don't like this thing. So
I cocked a little pauses a single action. I cocked
it again, and I am right at the white oak tree,
and this was it was hiding behind this tree, peeping

(27:09):
out around it, looking up to ward where I am.
So I shot the tree and again, I just I
didn't see it run off. I didn't hear nothing. And
I'm like, okay, And I stood right there. I guarantee

(27:32):
you I stood in that position for ten womenutes, right
there by that gate, right where I was at, and
I turned the line off, I would listen, i'd turn
it back on, and you know, search over there, and
they just were. I mean, I didn't see anything. So
I said, well, I don't wasted enough time doing this.

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I got other things I need to do, because I
got chicken over in a pot boarding. I mean, and
I don't know where there I'm at, or is you
know how much stout water is in there. I don't
want to burn anything, so I'm kind of in a hurry,
so I'm going back up out, and I'm fixing to
get on the lawn more and just come on back
over here. And right before I stepped it back up

(28:12):
on the deck, I said, well, I didn't come from
behind the chicken pan. I'm all run over and check
it out. So I walk over to the chicken pan
and I look over in it. I mean, I've got
ten all the way around the bare bottom of it.
But I used to look over in the ten I
see the birds in there, and I mean none of
them disturbed or anything like that. I mean they're just

(28:34):
kim as they can be. And you know, I said,
I we'll turn you know, okay. It hadn't been fooling
them with them, So I said, I better go checks
if it's been digging behind it. So I walked behind
the chicken pan and between I had there's a three
strand bibe wife fans that filled up a gap of
about twenty five foot between a feld fans and my

(29:00):
chain links, and it I just had it. And there
where I let my horses in every once in a
while and eat the grass down instead of cutting it.
And it really wasn't much of a fence at all.
It was just some wire strunger, but anyway, and there
was about ten fifteen foot in between the back of
the pen in this wire. And I look behind the

(29:20):
pen and there's nothing. I mean that nothing's been digging.
The leaves on the ground hadn't been disturbed, pasted all leaves.
And I take that as I'm fixing a turn around.
I'm on, I'm looking up and gonna turn to my
left and look back down the fence line because I'll
be parallel with the way it was leaving. As I
turned my head to the left, low about ten foot

(29:45):
in front of me is these same two eyes. And
I didn't need my head lights, my headlights up high.
Where I'm turning my head. You know, I'm looking down
and I see these two slits about eight inches apart,
and it looks like it's, you know, peeping to what

(30:06):
I call it, Like it had done come up there
and got down low and it was peeping at and
you know, I just said the heck with it, and
I had to. I still had the pistol in my hand.
I had never putt I had never hosted it, and
I already had it cocked and as and I come
up with it, Uh, it was already about halfway up.

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I just had to move my arm maybe six eight inches,
and it would be pouring it right in between his eyes.
It's got five or optic sites on it, so I
mean I pulled up right between his eyes and I
pulled the trigger, and automatically I cocked it again and
I pulled. I just pulled up just a little bit
and pulled the trigger, and when it the gunshot quieting down,

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I didn't see any movement that close when it left
from the pit where it was at ten foot in
front of him. I mean, its head was probably its
eyes was probably about a foot off the ground, so
if it had this muzzle or the bottom of his
chin laid on the ground, and its eyes was about

(31:13):
a foot up where the eyes were. So I mean
that's the way I'm what I'm assuming, because there's really
nothing up there except times draw unless it just had
its head crops down there. But I didn't see I think,
I mean, I didn't the trees, the bushes, we wasn't moving.
And right behind this area of what I'm talking about,

(31:35):
it's where that old trailer is and there's a driveway.
It makes a you around the trailer and in between
my side of the property line and where that drive is,
it's probably about fourteen foot at the most. And it

(31:55):
was nothing but pivot hedge and it had been cut
at one time flat and he growed up bushy, but
the bushes had didn't got up higher, and it was
just more or less the stalt, you know, the down
hit at the bottom the truck over it, and so,
like I said, you could see up through there. And

(32:19):
when I pulled the trigger the first time, I didn't
see any movement, and that's why I come up and
just pulled it a second time, and just you know,
case it was out there anywhere, be anywhere close, But
you know, I didn't hear anything. And I stood there
for probably about another ten minutes just looking, and I

(32:41):
reloaded little twenty two May, and I never heard anything else.
And then about I come in and come back over
here and tended my food I had going in. I'd
come in the house and I told my wife, I
don't believe this, and I told her the story there,

(33:03):
and she said, well, I heard you shoot. I really
didn't think that. And now and he told me it's
gonna shoot. I said, well, yeah, I said, I don't
know what it was. I said, it wasn't no cat
or anything like that. And so about I don't know
that rocked on. It was about two weeks down the road.

(33:24):
We were right outside the back here, uh, kind of
the same area where I was doing the stew rat
and we just kind of steak on the grill, and
right by the time the states was getting done, I

(33:46):
heard that scream, high growl, whatever you want to call it.
And I mean the way it starts off, the scream
of it. I mean, it's like somebody is killing a
woman and you were. I mean, and I ain't never
heard anything like it, but I mean it's and it
was right over there, exactly where that oak tree was,

(34:13):
and that's probably about maybe fifty yards from my back door.
But you know, I just I told Debbie, I said,
let's just we're gonna go in the house and eat tonight.
And she looked at me and smile said that's fine
with me. But now on the prior to this, though,
I cooked stew that night, I stayed out till like

(34:37):
four o'clock that morning. By myself, I never seen I
heard anything else, and I was kind of looking that night.
The next night, I stayed out. Uh, probably at the
same time, and you know nothing. You know, I was
kind of looking for it to come back because I
got the sense that, you know, it was watching me,

(34:59):
and I called and surprised it when it left. It
wasn't expecting me to catch it. But anyway, I haven't
seen it since. But uh, that's it on that one. Now.
My neighbor across the road, like I said, about three
years ago, they had come in and they've been dirt

(35:20):
road riding. It was about one o'clock when they pulled
in and I heard the truck come in and then
I heard gunshots. I don't think nothing about down here.
You don't think nothing backgunshots. I mean sometimes out there
missing with somebody's chickens, they're gonna step out the back
door and shoot it. If they said coyote, they going
to shoot it. You know, we don't go call and asking, hey,

(35:40):
what you're shooting at. It's worth telling. We'll tell it.
But you know, next day I seen him and a
girlfriend out there in the driveway and I said, hey, man,
I heard you shooting last night, and he said, oh yeah,
mister David. He was gonna tell when the story, but
she jumped in there, and she said, oh, let me
tell you, she said, and we turned in there and said,

(36:05):
I looked over at the dog pin, and there was
something trying to get our dog. It was stuck about
halfway through it trying to get it. And we turned in.
It pulled out and looked back at me, and then
it jumped the dog pin and landed in some pine trees,
real thick pine trees out here. And that that distance

(36:26):
is probably about thirty foot because I went over there
and give them the material to patch the chain link hole.
And it had it stuck his paws, his claws, whatever
it's got, it had stuck them in there and pulled
the chain. Galvanized train had pulled them upon, made it
a big hole, stretched a wire. I did fence work

(36:48):
for living, That's what I do, and I'm here to
tell you it takes a lot to stretch some galvanized chain.
I mean, you don't I mean a car running into yeah,
I mean it don't break it, but it's stretched it.
But I mean this stuff right here, you just grab
it and then opened the hole. But when it went

(37:09):
in the woods. Uh. He turned as his truck turned,
he said, mister Dave, I seen his eyes for the
lights here, he said, Then when I jumped out with
a gun and shot at and I said, I asked
him what color his eyes were and he told me
yellowish amber color. And I'm like, okay, same thing I

(37:31):
seen and he uh, I said yeah. I said, I
shot directly at his eyes, you know, his head the
first time, and he said the second shot was just
to follow it. He just, you know, just in case
I could hit it. I asked, what do you have
in He said, buck shot and I said, well, good.

(37:52):
You know he did hit it, but I doubt he did.
I had never seen, like I said, I didn't see it,
and I'm that's what blows my mind. It's so fast
when it decides to move. If you they don't want
you to see it, you ain't gonna see it. I

(38:13):
don't know if they jump and then take off. Oh,
I don't know if they jump to trees and go
through the tree tops. I have no idea. But now
I hearing it. I've heard it back here behind my house.
Not as close as I quile ago when I told you,
but I mean I've heard it three other times back

(38:35):
in the woods behind the house here in this area.
We live in down here. It's a rural area, but
it's on it's on a power count Georgia power Country Lake,
and it's it's populated, but it's all rute. So you know,

(38:55):
they got to be willing to put up with people
around here. I mean, it ain't that he's around here.
They trying to be by theirself. They r out here
a monsters. But I've had a friend it's about a
mile down the creek from me here. He called me
one morning and asked me what was in the woods

(39:16):
that something had outside his wonder made the office noise
he ever heard in his life. And he couldn't describe.
I asked him what he you know what it sounded like.
I take it this is a big man, very big man,
and he has hunted all over the southeast and he's
asking me. I can tell by his voice it's rattling.

(39:39):
His good friend, and I can tell it rattling. But
he wants to know what's in these woods back And
I asked him, what do you mean? And he said, well,
last night about two or three o'clock, he says, I
think it's three o'clock, something outside his wonder made the
office noise. And said, I come to my senses. He said,
I was barely crawling of the hall on my three

(40:01):
fifty seven revolver in my hand, and now he sleeped
for the seven under his pillar. I mean a lot
of people around here do not necessarily three ft seven anyway,
he said. I went to the living room and sitting
down on the couch, and I mean sitting there scratching

(40:22):
my head, pondering, wondering. You know what that was? And
he said, did it again, except this side. This time
it was over up here on the front of the cabin,
on one side of the cabin, he said. So I
got up and went out to the porch, and I
take it this porch is it's uh, he used to

(40:44):
be scratched glass in and he's uh sitting out there
on his porch and he's looking and you know, he said,
he done got grinding, and said he stirs to go
back to bed, and said he when he stood up
and turned around, it did it again right outside the

(41:04):
door to the right. Uh, I mean to the left
of where you know, if he walked at it hit
the door to the dick and it went to the left.
So he said, he walked out and turned to the left,
expecting to see whatever this was. And you know, he's

(41:24):
standing there with his gun looking there and his glass
light looking and there's nothing there. Which he got floodlights
all around his house, and it's right, it's on the
other side of the deck, and it housed. I mean,
it makes this mud curling scream at him again, and
he said as he turned, he seemed like a blur.

(41:49):
And he walked over to that side and looked down
the side of his house and up to his backyard,
and then toward up to his backyard is clear. I mean,
it's a few little oak trees, and you turn to
your left and you're looking at a creek. I mean
it's a big creek, pretty big creek, but still, I mean,

(42:13):
it's just that's in his front yard and he can
say straight to it. But in between him and his
neighbor there is a ravine with granite outcroppings in it,
and it's probably forty to fifty foot deep, and it
makes a hollow and comes from the creek and runs
up between these two properties. And I get he guesses

(42:36):
it jumped off in there, but he passed away not
long ago, so I really hadn't had a chance to
ask him if he heard it anymore. But that's about it.
I guess on the dog man, I'm kind of figure
that as much as I hear around here and as

(42:57):
much as I'm in the woods, that our probably come
across paths with it. Again. I mean, I'm really not
that worried about it. It had been watching me that day,
and it didn't try to fool around. I mean, it
was that close, and I'd been shooting at it, and
it still had food with me. So I mean I

(43:18):
I said, I didn't know what they were to begin with,
but on that day I went on the search. That night,
I went on the search to find out what the
dog man was. Uh I had I knew it wasn't
a big foot, and I knew it wasn't a big foot,

(43:40):
uh and nothing. I mean, it just I don't know
the height of the eyes. The first time I seen it,
when it stood up behind that tree, I mean how
I couldn't understand how it got that high when it
was on the ground. But other than that, I guess

(44:01):
that's it.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
You told us about the neighbor that sleeps with us
three fifty seven under his pillow after he saw it.
Have you made any changes yourself to how you do
things in an effort to try to protect yourself from it.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Well, about that time that that happened, I had some
young punks that was trying to rob us, uh, and
they tried to, you know, come in the house. I
mean I heard them. I have uh catahulas. I don't

(44:36):
know if you know what a catahula is. A louis
Louisiana state dog. They're very beautiful. They're very, very beautiful.
But I keep those in bulldogs around and I always
got one in the house. And when they tried to
come in the back door, the one on the end
of my bed, he just went off the chain. And

(44:57):
I'm just that kind of guy. Heck, I mean, every
horn them the corner of my house. I got a
loaded gun. I mean, that's just the way it is. Uh.
And by the time I got to the door and
opened it, I mean I caught one of them and
it was a girl, but they were they were coming
into robbers, and you know, nothing could have come good
to that. But I put security cameras and motion detectors

(45:17):
up on the house to property, so I mean, I really,
you know, I hadn't seen anything, I think because of that.
But you know, I feel knowing that's out there, I
do feel safer because of what I've heard, you know,
listening to your show and to other shows that you

(45:40):
know that the security cameras help. They don't really like
to come out in the light, and they don't you know,
I want to you know, they try to stay out
of public side more or listen. But so I think
that might have helped me. But yeah, I mean far
as our security around here, I mean, so I've always

(46:00):
got I pistol alone me, and there's always very very
handy I mean, and when I go out and when
I'm when I'm out in the yard working or on
the back here with working with the horses, or out
here working on the fence men in the fence or something,
I carry three fifty seven magnum rifle with me. I

(46:21):
got my forty five, and there will be a twelve
gauge uh twelve gage eight seventy schlug gun in the backseat,
and you know, but I used to leave them and
leave them in the truck. I mean that's just kind
of how it is, you know. So, I mean I've
always got some handy protection so I really don't never

(46:43):
worry about it, but because but there's always the chance.
And like I said that day, I didn't want to
kill that creature. I didn't know what it was. I'm
not gonna killer now. You know, I'm a hunter, but
I'm not used to killing. I don't want to go
you shoot something to say I shot it. I mean,
I wanted to know what that was. Yah. Now, i'd heard,
you know, prior, you know that the Georgia Department of

(47:07):
Natural Resources had released red wolfs back into the environment
and directly across the river from my place in Georgia,
there's a a wildlife preserve over there. There's a campground
in wild i preserve. But you know, i'd heard the

(47:28):
d n R had to release the red wolf back
into Georgia and they had turned you know, uh, made
and pear loose overwhere. Yeah, I don't know. You know,
a red wolf can't climb no tree, and red wolf
when it stands on its back legs, it can't be
eight foot tall, you know. And I know this creature

(47:50):
was eight foot off the ground down there behind that
white oak tree because I you know, I used just
chicken pen I had built to manager it. But uh,
I do feel that that that just kind of throws
it off right there. I don't. In fact, I don't know.

(48:10):
I'm not. Yes, I need to look up and check
a red wolf out and see how they could be
off the ground, you know, but it ain't got the
eyes amberized itself illuminate. So I mean, you know, I
throw things around in my head, you know, and then
you know, I rethink things. I'm like, nice if you
don't waste your time, you know.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Oh sure, when you have an experience like that, or
experiences like you had more than one, obviously you're gonna
run through all sorts of options through your head. So
it's totally normal that you've been responding that way. I'm wondering, though,
dve if its tail was as long as its body,
did it hold the end of its tail off the
ground or let it drag?

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Uh, it's funny you say that big I went. It
was humped back, as I said, and at the front
end of the body was up higher in the back,
and that was very noticeable. I mean, it's you know,
it's kind of like it had a main maybe. I mean,
I can't say it did, but I mean it it
was thick hump back and it looked like it might

(49:13):
have had a maiden maybe not a thick me no,
not a long maine, but you know, an excessive growth
around his neck and right there on his back. But
as it comes down to this, the uh, the haunches
back there this tail, it runs straight parallel to the ground.
It didn't point up, it didn't point down. It runs parallel.

(49:36):
Because that's something else across my mind with my I
was looking at it compared to the fence wire, the
electric wire, and I use the heaviest uh electric wire
that Red brand offers. I mean it's a it's a
very very very thick wire and at distance you can

(49:59):
see it. I mean some of you know, it's not
like it's a little bitty electric while you buy. And
this is very very thick wire and you can see
it at a distance. And I was comparing where I
would think the backbone, I mean, the tailbone of that
tail would be and to that wire, and that just like,
I mean, what creature on Earth holds his tail like that?

(50:21):
I mean usually it either let it drag or it's
either curled or at least pointed up in the air.
This was parallel to the ground, and like I said,
it was as big as a chimney sweep broom. It
looked like a cat's tail. When a cat scared, he
just blowed out there. And this creature wasn't scared by

(50:43):
any means. So I don't want I don't know why
it had this tail blowed up like that unless it
was like that all the time, or you know, that's
just one of them questions, you know. I like, no
the answer. I mean, I said, I wouldn't mind saying
the creature. I didn't have no intent to kill it
that day. I just wanted to get away from my chickens.
I mean, if I run across it again and it

(51:04):
don't make me, no, it don't look at me funny.
I ain't gonna look at it funny. I believe in
live and let live. But you know, I'll dish out
what you bring. But yeah, that that kind of you know.
I've tried to kind of lighten people in the area
and you know, tell them about it, you know, in

(51:26):
a casual way. And my close friends they listen to
me because they know I don't be this now. Some
of my neighbors up here that don't know me in
that world. You know, they think I'm just joshing them
or something, but I you know, we've right behind the
house here is a it's an old railroad bed and

(51:50):
the tracks and everything's been taken up now, but I
maintain it. I've been doing so for about the past
twenty two three years from behind my house to the
creek back here, which the creek kind of just being
you know, in and out, in and out, then did

(52:10):
run parallel to this railroad track. But it's a beautiful
area and it's a beautiful air to ride horses. And
it's like I said, it's about two miles long back there,
and I'll take the bush hoog and run it up
and down it about twice a year, and then I'll
put some herbicide on it, and I keep it limbed
up with my pole sauce, so you know, riding through
it all you're gonna get on your spider libs. But

(52:34):
we have rode on that back there on many occasions
and never really smelt anything, but the horses pick up
on something. And I mean I had good I got good, good,
good horses. I mean they're very good, and many many

(52:55):
miles apartment and just never you know, any problem. And
then one day me and my wife's riding back there
and we get closer to the railroad bed, I mean
closer to the A's a trustle that crosses it. Now,
this trustle, it's been demolished, and only things it's still
there is the concrete and the risers that held the tracks.
You can't walk across the dreams. But anyway, we're getting

(53:19):
close down there, and we're gonna get down there and
stop and have a drink and a snack, wet turn
around ride back. We did this numerous I mean this
was like a week. Every week we do this three
or four times, if not more. Sometimes we did it daily,
just depending on how busy we were. But down here,

(53:40):
and you know, the horses just they refuse to go
any further. I mean they're they're on there on the
verge of standing up and you know, just spinning and turning.
I mean they're sitting there. They don't want it, like
they hit an invisible wall. I mean they're sitting there
and they're stamping their feet up and down, just want

(54:00):
to turn around and go. And you know, we're fighting
them as they do this, and finally we make them
come on back and go on and we get when
we go through there, they're looking one way and they're
their buddy ins facing the creek and they're looking up
a hill up one way. And we go on in
both both buires did this and we get on down

(54:22):
to the on the railroad bed to the trustle, you know,
and we talk about it, but we don't get off
our mounts. We stayed mounting. I flipped around the saddle
bag and got us a drink out and some trail mix,
and we just sit there and you know, discuss what
was going on. You know, we thought they might be
a cat or something out there, but like I said,
the game wands around here said they ain't no bears either,
and we got them swimming across the lake, but on video.

(54:48):
But anyway, uh, you know, we get through the drink
and you know, we put everything in our saddle bags,
our trash, and we turn around and ride back and
we gets back to the same spot and the same
thing happens, except when they get when we come through
this time, it's like they ready to go to the barn,
the barn babies, I mean, and they try to they

(55:10):
try to vote on us and my wife and I
would bear experienced riders, and we you know, we keep
them calm as calm as we can, and but they're
trying to go. I mean they're pushing the bit hard
as they can. They're sweating. I mean, they don't got nervous,
and you know, we get on them up the trail

(55:32):
there probably I don't know about halfway home and they
kind of quit pushing the bit, but they never quit
sweating on that whole ride. And then that repeated itself
probably about three more times since then. And it's not
always in the same exact spot, but it's always on

(55:56):
the lower end of what I call the end and
closest to the creek from Promise. And you know, I
just I've had a friend that had some dogs kind
of who was a matter of fact, he was training them.

(56:18):
It's been last year. I was listening to him running.
He was training him back here behind the house on
his creek, and every every time they had tree. I
don't know what I mean, I don't know what he
was training them. And I think he was training him
to uh kundogs. I'm not sure, but he never would

(56:40):
tell them. I don't know how. I really don't know what.
He had five of them in the mona dog, but
he had him back here running. And every time they
had tree, you'd hear the dogs just barking hard tree.
And the next thing you know, you'd hear dogs going
to yap and that's how the race. That's how the
race would end. And that went on for about I

(57:00):
don't know about a month, and then one night I
was out there and I heard him. I was pushing
him hard, and when they treed, I heard two rowers
or was kind of a war. I don't know it's
I heard anything like it, but you heard two distinct ones,

(57:23):
and all of a sudden you heard dogs go to Holland.
I mean Holland and Mike. A long story short. A
guy was working worked for me, was working for me.
He went and helped my friend that next morning, and
it killed killed three of them back there, and he

(57:46):
had to put another one down. So and I don't
he just tore him apart. And asked the guy worked
for him. He said, Dave, he said, just he said,
he's tore him apart. I said, you know, there'll be
a leg here and a leg over there. He said.
One of them was ripped in half. Yeah, I said,
what'd y'all do? He said, I just went up there,
and you know, we went over and got the tracktorin,

(58:07):
dug a hole and back and dug a hole and
went throw the bodies off it and covered them up.
You know. He said it wasn't really much f we
couldn't there. And he said that other dog, he said,
the mama dog and the other dogs that da ain't
it won't be worth that. And they, you know, they
was up at the house, just honked it down on

(58:28):
the carport. I don't know. There's something in these woods.
And I mean they say they travel on creeks and rivers.
So we got a double shot at it right here.
Need us to say, well an old Indian ground?

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Oh well, that would explain a lot.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Oh yeah, I mean I got it documented. I mean
in eighteen thirty six when they had the trailer tears.
You know you've heard of that, when they rounded all
the Indians up. I've got copies from the Courthouse of
maps that we made. It's a time when they did
a census of the Indians living in this area and

(59:06):
they told them I was giving them some land, but
they just letting them use it. Till they got ready
to come and get them, you know. But yeah, I
mean the Indians that it was on this land in
eighteen thirty six. I mean I know their names. I mean,
and at Fort Mitchell down here on the river, all
of them it was in this area that were rounded
up and sent to Oklahoma. All their names are in

(59:28):
the marble stone down there where there was a big
creek town on channel of chattahooch you down there. The
Indians that's on my map, they're on that stone down there.
So I mean, and there's you know, you know where
some burials are, but that's they're not necessarily on my property,

(59:49):
but they're in the area. You know, we all this land,
you know, back in the day, but you know, back
in eighteen hundreds and earlier, was you know, it was
all Indian land right here. But yeah, I think it's
probably got something to do with it too. I really do.
Like I said, I try to keep open mind and

(01:00:11):
just watch out. I mean, I have to. I go
out here and feed the horses, take care of the chickens.
Being hot, I mean, it's so hot here right now.
My wife told me earlier it was like seventy eight
with the humidity it was up in the nineties. I mean,
it's terrible out here where I'm at right now. But

(01:00:34):
you know a lot of times I ain't when it's
like this. I mean I do stuck in an evening.
I mean, you know, from it cools off up until nine,
ten o'clock, eleven o'clock, whatever it takes, because I'm not
going to get out there. I done got too old
to get out there. And the heat I ain't got
to it ain't going.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Yeah, I don't blame you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
I mean I do my get up and go to
work in the morning, knock off at twelve, and I
go back that evening and you know, whatever, whatever it takes.
But uh yeah, so, I mean, I you know, I
just always keep it in the back of my head.
I mean it never a day goes by, never a
day goes by that I don't think. I mean, I remember,
I'm looking. I can close my eyes and see it
on that in my mind. I can see his eyes,

(01:01:15):
him looking at me right now. I mean, you know,
it don't bother me, don't bother me at all. It's
just I kind of feel lucky I've got to see
something like that. I mean, that kind of en lightened
my scope. I mean, I'm a lot more open mind
than now that I used to be. Sure I am,
but yeah, now there's some other lands that we've hunted on,

(01:01:38):
and you know, we've had some other type of experiences
with I've actually had uh a place we camped at too,
deer I had. It was during dough days and there
was the first of these dough days. And there's old
house we stayed at and there was an old farmhouse
and it was built on a breeze, but it was

(01:02:00):
a big old house. But we didn't built us some
bunk beds and we used it quite a few years
in a row. But you know, I take some grass rope.
Every year we went put all the deer in front
of this house that we killed during those days. This
is back when it was got cold down south. It's
been many years ago. But we'd hang his deer out

(01:02:22):
there and you know, and just keep it tally on them,
you know, just kind of show off the other hunting club.
But we we I had to myself that I had
hanging out there on it and hadn't anybody else killed anything.
When we went to the other side of the county
to turn some dogs loosen making drive on fay we
had over there, hadn't been hunting all year. When we

(01:02:43):
got back over here to our house. Uh where was
camping at? My My deer were gone. The rope was broke.
One end of it was pouring out toward the road.
The deer were pulled off of it, and you could
see where something had sage grass, probably up a little
bit not quite ways high. Well, you could see where

(01:03:05):
something had just walked off through there. And that's the
way the rope went. And right directly across the road,
it was just an old tar gravel road what it was.
Other side of it there was another sage field and
then a big swamp right behind it, and I always
got the feeling something was over in that swamp edge

(01:03:26):
watching us when we kept over the man. Never a
bad feeling, just that, you know, that the perception that
you being watched, you know, But that same area, I
mean a lot of people seeing the guy that he'd come.
It'd come up on the tracks, the railroad tracks and
right before dust and it'd stand up there and kind

(01:03:47):
of swayed back and forth. But it was always so
far off that back in them days, I mean, you know,
some people would have a three by nine scope, most
of us had. She used old four power scope. Was
hunting thick cover and all these It wasn't like it
is these days, just fields everywhere. But we sit down

(01:04:10):
there on that railroad track at different places and you know,
catch them crossing, and a lot of people seeing it
down there. He always stay far enough. I mean a
lot of people thought it was the guy on at
least the land that was next to us. A lot
of them thought it was him. It would come out
there and just trying to mess up and mess their hunter,
you know. But you know, ain't nobody wants to do that.

(01:04:32):
They might get shot. You know. I know a couple
of it floats down down range, this creature. But I
mean I say it and I mean now I say
it was like maybe three three hundred yards four hundred
yards down railroad track, and it with a four pile
of scope. You can't really see nothing, said a blob,

(01:04:53):
but you could tell it was moving back and forth
in this same area. I had turned some dogs loose,
and when they jumped I shot. It was during door
days and we knew there was a lot of doors
in this little block of land. And I went in

(01:05:15):
there and turned my dogs loose, and they got down
through there just a little bit. They jumped, and I
seen about four or five come up, you know, and
I immediately I pulled down on the closest one. Shot
I seen it go down. Watch it hit the ground,
didn't move, and then I found another one, and then
I popped it and it went down, but it come

(01:05:38):
back up real quick, and the dogs was on some
other for these other deer, and the one I had
shot rint run off. I went up to try to,
you know, put it on down, and it had went
on down toward these railroad tracks and another guy shot it.
So I'm you know, I say him, he got it,

(01:06:00):
and they got my dogs out there, and so I
turned around and I'm wanting back to get my deer.
And when I get back to where it was at,
it's a big blood pool. It ain't no deal nowhere nowhere,
And you know, I'm like, well, I know it's ded
with did it's hair where I hit it? You know,
on the impact? This hair, you know, everywhere is up

(01:06:21):
on side of these little pine trees, and I know
I hit it. So I started, you know, making little
circles and you know, around this and opening the circle up,
you know, trying to find here. If it's all this blood,
it couldn't have went far, you know, and it's got
to be a good trail. So I didn't see a thing.

(01:06:42):
And after I probably got out about thirty thirty five
foot from where the blood was, I seen some but
it was up about a shoulder height. I'm six to
one and it was about my shoulder height. And I

(01:07:04):
looked at Hi, I'm like, and he hate to just
get up this high. And then I looked and on
up through this little pine thicket. You can see a
swipe here, a swipe there, and it's headed back off
in the direction of where we usually seen this. Whatever
it was come up on these railroad tracks, and it's

(01:07:28):
headed back off in that direction. There's a big beaver
pine back in there. And I'm just to myself, I'm like,
if something won't set that bad, it can have it.
I mean, I'm not going down adjasing it. But my
brother in law come up in there, and hey, he
looked around and he couldn't believe it either. But I
mean it just disappeared after a little bit. I mean,

(01:07:49):
you know, it didn't we followed it just be a
little bit and then it disappeared and we didn't see
any more blood. And the property line was not far
from us, so we couldn't have went much further with that.
Tres pass them anyway, So I just decided whatever guy
it could have it I get meant another one. I
had it one more over there, kind of close to
this probably it's about two miles from it. But I

(01:08:13):
had turned my dogs loose on the creek and actually
it's another creek that runs into the lake here that
I live on, but it's up at the headwaters of it.
But I come through this hollow and my dogs just
will not go anywhere. They were right there with me.
I had some real good dogs, blue ticks, red bones, julyes.

(01:08:34):
I mean, they'd smoke a deer and they turned around
and come back to That was a good thing about it.
I mean, not to hunt them all the time, but
now they you hardly ever turned them out, and they
wouldn't jump much less. Never turned them out, and they
wouldn't hunt, but you could. I turned them loose that
day and they was within ten to fifteen feet of

(01:08:57):
me for about I don't know, probably about a mile
after of Creek Bottom, and they just they wouldn't hunt.
And you know I talked to the landowner, uh that
was hunting with us that day, you know, so I
said they wouldn't hunt. He said, you know what, he said,

(01:09:18):
no dog eturn loose out here. Hunt. So evidently they
had you know, done it before. And but that's exactly
his words. And you know, their dog e turn loose.
Since then that area out there has been I think
two sightings out there on that area that's been recorded.

(01:09:41):
I think with that other organization that records them. I
don't you know, I don't promote nobody, especially you know,
some people like that. And and there they were very
recent when they was when they were made, uh, within
the past I think five of six years. But anyway,

(01:10:05):
I've had some up in Georgia, uh like just walking
up on you. Uh. I was young, Uh, right after
I first started hunting. I was probably about nine years old.
My brother in law he showed me where a tree
stand was and I'm like, okay, I'm finding it. There

(01:10:29):
was an O skitter trail going out there to where
it was at. There was a good tree stand. It
was up in three poplar trees and It was probably
thirty foot high way. It was real high, but it
had a good seed in it had sides built on it,
so you know, I liked But the first time I
went and got up in it, it was early morning.

(01:10:49):
I waved about, I don't know, forty five minutes before
it got down. I all went back in them days.
We had a little little bit of pen lights. I
had a little pen and I walked that skin a
trail and I got up in that stand. And by
the time I got my gun cooled up to me
on the rope and got settled, I heard footsteps by

(01:11:13):
pillar footsteps. I heard somebody walking, and I'm like, that's
got to be my brother in law come in to
check on me. So now I sit there and you
can hear it. It come right up behind my tree
stand and within probably I don't know, twenty foot there

(01:11:34):
was a clump of small birch trees back there and
a bush growing up in them, and it was right there,
I mean, And every time I went to that stand
that would happen. But come daylight there would never be
nothing there, but you would hear it come come up

(01:11:57):
in there. Every morning. As soon as you got up
in the stand. I sit in that stand one day
in the afternoon and somebody talking. It sounded like But
now since I've heard what the little chatter sounds like,

(01:12:20):
and I know that's what it was. I thought it
was people just that was right over the ridge that
you know. I just couldn't understand what they were saying,
but it was it sounded like Sammara.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
It was kind of funny. But my brother in law,
I'd ask him did he hear anything, and he didn't
hear anything. He never had any issues up there. I
don't know. I always felt like, you know, like I said,
there's something right there that come was watching me at

(01:12:55):
that spot. I didn't never feel any you know, bad things,
no bad vibes. It's just always felt like something was there.
And who wouldn't when you're sitting there and you hear
something walk up, it sounds just like what a person
would and you know, especially with how your mind is
at that age. But I was I was looking for

(01:13:16):
deer and that's all I was looking for. I didn't
want no big foots. And then you know, but I
killed one right down from there about a year later,
and they were standing in a big old club of
birch and they were looking back up the hill. And
this I had done. Had to go to the bathroom,
so I didn't go on the stand. I got down

(01:13:37):
from the stand and hit the logging road. It made
a way big loop around from to the where the
loading dock was. And when I got back there, you know,
I noticed there was quite a few deer standing at
in these birchs and they were all looking back up
toward the ridge stop. And it was the first day

(01:13:58):
of those days up passed. So I picked that's the
closest one. I dropped my rifle. I've dropped this crosshouse
on her. I hopped her and she hit the ground
right then and there, and the rest of them turned
around and run toward me and quartered away from me.
But when they turned the room, they come toward the gunshot.
I ain't never had never had a deer do that.

(01:14:21):
I'm always they always going away from the gunshot. But
these deer turned around and come too. I was looking
up one way, they turned opposite way and come toward
me and veered to the left, like they wasn't worried
about me all. And I went up there and drug
my deer out to the road. And you know, I
never had, you know, never thought anything else about it

(01:14:43):
until you know, when I got putting two and two
together and everything that went on, and how many times
I heard something in the woods. But you know, I said,
there was never a bad feeling. So now I've had
one bluff charge. And it's real close to home. Actually,
it's on the upper ends of this creek. It's behind
my house. It was on my My sister had married

(01:15:10):
this guy and his daddy was a huge landowner in
the area, very very very well off. But I worked
for this man from time I was twelve years old
on up until I was in my mid twenties. But
I had I had run of the land. I worked hard.
He liked me. I was there when he wanted me.
He like, you know what I mean. But uh, I

(01:15:33):
went out there one morning and well, I hadn't been
saying no deer over here where I've been hunting at
or I had been seeing a few tables, all of those,
And there's this section of land over here. It's on
the side Interstate eighty five, and there's an old textile
mill that sits trup beside the interstate, and this bunch

(01:15:54):
of trees. I mean, I mean, this land is never hunting,
but this gentleman owns one hundred ninety acres right there
next to it, and nobody had really been over there.
I mean, he hadn't developed in the cow pastu or anything.
It's just standing pain. So I decided, you I won't
go over here and try this. So I pulled in

(01:16:15):
that morning. And all I'm playing on doing is walking
through these little roads, through these set out panes, and
it's cut up in blocks, and it's easing down these roads,
slipping from tree to tree and grunting a little bit,
and it's scouting area. Well. I mean, I get out

(01:16:36):
there about you know, forty five minutes for it's daylight,
and I pull up out in the middle of this field.
I mean I can see their house from where I'm at,
out across this field probably about I don't know, two
hundred and three hundred yards, and there's a lake right
behind their house, and I just pull up out there.

(01:17:00):
I stopped right there, and I didn't want to pull
up too close to the fence because I didn't want
because right on the other side of the fence is
where this land starts. I just you know I don't
want to go hunt, so I get out and as
soon as I get out, shut the door and getting
make sure sure I got everything and getting everything situated.

(01:17:21):
I hear noise coming from right exactly where I'm playing
on entering the woods at and I'm like, what the
heck is this? And I listen, and I mean, it's
tearing the woods up. And like I said, I didn't
believe in dog man, I didn't believe in Bigfoot, and
so I'm thinking, what is this tearing woods up? And
it's got to be a big buck. You know, it's

(01:17:45):
ruts on down here, and you know the bucks are
they running good? And that's one reason I was going
to go up in here and do a little grunt. Well,
I you know, I'm sitting there and I'm gonna listening,
and I'm here in Dick's break turned out to be
trees breaking, and it's all kind of just commotion. And

(01:18:06):
this went on from the time I got out of
that truck till about I don't know, two minutes before
it got daylight enough to where you could see. And
I had done. Now, like I said, I don't know
if this is a bluff charge. I don't know what
this I called the bluff charge. But I had done
eased on up to the edge of this fence, and

(01:18:27):
I'm getting ready to slip up over the gate and
drop to the other side, but I wasn't going on
each other side, so I could see good. Well. When
about that, I got over and I said it done,
got be where I could see, and I hit this
little logging road and I ease up it probably about
I don't know, forty foot and it makes up like

(01:18:52):
a hard left hand turn. And when you make that
left hand turn, there was trees, pine trees. I don't know.
They were not all. They were probably down three four
five inches in demeter. Some of them they were broke
off about six foot up. Limbs broke out of these

(01:19:15):
trees from six eight nine foot out of the it's
ripped off side of the tree. All the pinestraw has
just been raped down to the ground out of the road.
And this is probably a section about I don't know,
I'd say, I'd say about thirty foot of the road all.

(01:19:42):
And it was fresh. You could tell it was very fresh.
I mean it smelled my fresh dirt. All the palestra
had just been raked up out of it, off to
the edges of the roads. All the limbs had been
broke with thod off to the edge of the roads.
But and it went up and it turned and there's

(01:20:04):
another road right there, and it did this on that road.
It might be where it started at, and come toward it.
I'm not sure, but the same thing it was up there.
I mean, it wasn't. I mean, I said, this place
was cut up in blocks. This little road right where
I'm talking. The first one it was on right where
the blocks met, so it was on the corner of

(01:20:25):
this one, and you turned and went up this one
about thirty forty foot and it was also up there.
And I said, it was a patch of about thirty
foot long maybe, and the width of the road. And
the road was a good wide road for you know,
be not and set out pines. It was kept up
very well. And I don't know what I mean. What
got me was when I got out of the truck

(01:20:45):
and I heard stuff breaking. And when I got up
and thought saw this stuff breaking, it was up higher
than any deer could ever think about, you know, breaking
something with this happening. But anyway, I proceeded to hunt
that day and I went up through there and there
was nothing. There was no there was no tracks, deer tracks,

(01:21:08):
There was no pecs on the ground. Really, there was
no birds, no squirrels. There was lots of mushrooms coming
up out of the ground, and you know usually the
squirrels tear them up. The deer too. But now, like

(01:21:28):
I said, did this land nobody went on it because
a major corporation owned it and they kept it fenced
in and you know posted. So I mean, nobody would
really disturb anything on this land. So I you know,
the more I think about it, I mean I think
it probably was a big big foot, sasquatch, whatever you
want to comment. But you know that kind of I

(01:21:55):
never really knew how to take that until I started
listening to a lot of well until I seen, you know,
found out about the dog. After I found out about
the dog man that started listening to all these crypt shows,
I mean, you put patterns together, you know, and I've
just got to thinking about my whole life about it,
and then you know, they're just weird things, you know

(01:22:17):
that you kind of put one and one together and
you know you didn't see it, but you heard it.
And what else I guess that's about it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
Well, I'll tell you what dave For anyone who wants
to have a cryptid encounter, I think they could do
a lot worse than head out to your area, because
it sounds like you're eat up with them. Sounds like
they're all over the place. But having said that, we're
about out of time before we get out of here.
Do you have any closes in comments you'd like to
put out there for us.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Well, I just like to say, if you're out in
the woods, just be very very careful, keep your eye out.
Don't stop going out and enjoying yourself, but just keep
y eye out because there's stuff out there that most
paper would never believe existed. And with that, I guess
that's it. Big.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Well, that's really good advice, because if we had any
clue what's really out there, I don't know that we'd
ever set foot outside again. But yeah, you've definitely seen that. Well,
thanks again so much for your time day, for coming
on sure and those experiences with us, And if I
can never help you out in the future, please let

(01:23:27):
me know. Thanks again so much, and have a great night.

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