James’ Dogman Encounter - Dogman Encounters Episode 600

On Episode 597, tonight’s guest, James, came on the show to tell us about the night he found himself inches away from a Dogman that was looking in his bedroom window at him. We didn’t have enough time for me to ask him questions about his encounter on that show so he’s come back to answer all the questions I have for him. Tonight’s show will be a livestream, so he’ll be ready to answer questions from listeners in the live chat too. We hope you’ll join us.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
At a book.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
If you'd like to be able to listen to the
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Dogmanencounters dot com forward slash podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so
much for joining us for another episode of Dogman Encounters Radio.
Really appreciate you listening. Tonight's guest was featured on episode

(01:50):
five ninety seven, and because of how much detail there
was to his encounter, we didn't have time. We didn't
have close to enough time for medians them all the
questions I had for him, and also on top of
that too, I wanted to give the listeners in the
live chatted chance to ask them questions as well.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Well.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
What we planned to do was I planned to have
them come back on last week for a special episode,
but unfortunately his cable went down right before we were
scheduled air that show, that special midweek live stream episode.
So luckily that's all back up and running, so we're

(02:29):
able to bring them back on tonight well without any
further ado, let's bring that guest on now. James, thanks
so much for coming back.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Oh, it's a pleasure, pleasures.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
All mine, James, For anyone who missed episode five ninety seven,
please tell them about yourself.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, that's simple. Country boy from the country. I loved it.
Now I moved to Texas, a big city of a
new experience for me, and I'm manager at Subway. That's
pretty much it. I got a little bat dog and Zero.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, speaking of Zero, you sent me that picture of him.
I think it was last Tuesday, and he's absolutely adorable.
I'm gonna post his picture here and just debits everybody
in the live chat. Everyone who watches the YouTube version
of the show can see him. But I can understand
why you love him the way you do. Oh yes, Yeah,
he's something else. James. When you sat up and locked

(03:29):
eyes with that dog men that was staring at you
through the window that night, what did you see in
his eyes? Did you see fear, anger or curiosity?

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Curiosity? It looked like it was just as surprised as
I was, because I know when it was looking in there,
it couldn't see me. It could see my brother's laying
beside me, and probably the knees owned down to the
feet of my sister and my youngest brother. But I
know I could have seen my brother Tony Bark and

(04:01):
James and the older one his name James, also James
Evans Love and I knew I could see them, but
it couldn't see me. So when I set up, I'm
pretty sure I surprised it just as much as it
surprised me.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Didn't you say that your news to news with that
dog man for about forty five.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Minutes qualty five minutes less than I put an a
half away from that thing. I watched that thing and
I didn't move, It didn't move, and we just I
was just locked. It was like I was paralyzed, like
it was paradized. I couldn't I couldn't believe it. I
was trying everything in the book to make out what

(04:38):
it was, but nothing, nothing clicking. Back then that time
in the eighties, that was I've never seen anything like that.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Oh no, I'm sure you hadn't you know, when you're
going through your encyclopedia of what it could have possibly been,
nothing would fit, nothing would match anything like that. So
I can only imagine the thoughts that were going through
your head. But talking about what you saw in its eyes,
if you were locking eyes with it for forty five minutes.
In most cases, eyewitnesses are going to report a shift

(05:10):
from one type of emotion in its size to the next,
and then to the next, maybe curiosity at one point,
and then you're steering me. You're steering daggers in my eyes,
anger because you're challenging me, and then maybe cooling down
a little bit and back to curiosity or some other emotion.
You never saw any shift like that in its eyes.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
There was no shift whatsoever. Nothing moved on it. After
his ears went back and his eyes followed me when
I laid back down to it at an anger, I
nearly laid on top of one of my brothers. Nothing
about it changed. It was just standing wonder looking at me.
The only thing moved with his eyes following me as
I laid back, and it was no anger, no nothing

(05:56):
like it was just like it was surprised. It was
like curious, and I'm I'm pretty sure I had the
same look in my eyes. I'm trying to figure out
what it was, and I'm thinking, you know, it's trying
to figure out what I am. And I say, that's
the reason I wasn't scared, because it is no teeth
showing nothing, no growling, no aggressive movement. Eyes would basically

(06:19):
like zero the calm.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
It's curious when it comes to having dogman encounters. I
think you hit the lottery as far as the dog
man that came to pee a visit that night, because
most of them had, they would have had a captive audience.
You're right there, nose to know, nos to nose with it.
They could have pushed all sorts of your buttons. But yeah,
that dog me, I thank goodness, it didn't do any.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Of that, none of it.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
That's really good now. I know you say when you
first locked eyes with it, that had its ears pin
At any point of that forty five minutes, did it
ever put its ears back up?

Speaker 1 (07:00):
It ears never went back up. When I set up,
what I noticed first was its hands. That's what was
checking on that one thing like digitive, and that what
woke me up. And I set up, and as my
eyes adjifted, I seen the hands stop. And then when
the ears went back, and that's what caught my attention
for the second thing that moves E went back And

(07:21):
from that moment until I watched it for those forty
five fifty minutes until that the rest of the two
hours I watched it. As I laid back, the ears
never came back up. They stayed pent backwards, that could
be see them come back up.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
That could be seen two ways. Obviously, if you're talking
about a dog or a horus, if they pin their ears,
normally that's a sign of anger. But it's going to
use it Zerrus for information gathering. Well, you're right there,
within less than a foot and a half from it.
If you're going to make any noise, it's going to
be able to see that you're making a noise, So

(07:58):
it doesn't need it serious for that. Maybe it pended
Seers just because of the intensity of the moment. I
can't think for this thing. All I can do is
just gues and as we go through tonight's show, I'm
not gonna try to put any words into your mouth.
That's the last thing I'd want to do. So when
I ask you about things like this, yeah, just tell
me what you experienced and I'll do the best I

(08:20):
cannot to influence you. But maybe it pended Zeers. What
I'm getting at here is maybe it pended Seers because
it didn't want to intimidate you, maybe or just because
of no other reason than it didn't need it. Zeos.
It had you right there nose to nose with it,
so there wasn't really any need to listen.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
So maybe that's what's behind it, like I say, Zero,
But like I say, the ears went back in the back,
back head, and that you may be right, and they
probably right at times.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Zero pennies is back is a little angry.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Well, that just had to be through the roof. It
really must have been. Not all, but a lot of
my witnesses who've been that close to a dog man
as you were for all that time, they reported an
unusual quality that the dog man's rettinas had. Did you
notice anything strange, any strange qualities about its rettinas when

(09:14):
you were that close to it? I know you said
it had eyes pretty close to Zero's, only quite a
bit larger, But did you notice anything strange unusual about
its retinas?

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Nothing strange about it? Blackish brown eyes and when I say,
it looked exactly like Zero eyes and you can see
just a little bit of white in them on both
corners of his eye and a limit in the between
it which knows was and that was it and it
eyes was just basically like Zero's. A German shepherd like

(09:46):
eyes or what not? A German shepherd. What's that down
called guene yes? Not to know? Not that GWEENI A.
I had one of those starts, a long time golden retriever.
I was similar like that, and zero eyes are similar
to a golden retriever.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Why you really did looking? You really did hit the
lottery when it comes to dog men. Yeah, you definitely
hit the lottery because in almost every other case it's
gonna be a lot more intense than that. Thank goodness,
it wasn't more intense.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Oh yeah, one thing I can tell you, I am
awesome with dogs. I own at least thirty dollars and
I could pretty much make them do anything I want.
They just loved me. I had so many of them,
like Zero he sleeps with me, and I had when
I was in every day father live my well, my

(10:45):
grandmother left my dad side, and I had dogs. I
tell them go do this, and they pretty much don't
do it. It's almost if they understood me. So I
don't know. I wasn't aggressive toward it, So maybe it
was just like, Okay, we're just gonna look at each
other until somebody gives up.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Normally, if these guys, they don't care if you're aggressive
or not, they're gonna just do all they can to
push your buttons and mortify you to within an inch
of your life. That's why I'm saying, you really hit
the lottery. When it comes to dogmen. You could have
had an encounter with Thank goodness, like I said, for
that as well, and as far as you being good
with dogs, that's great. But when it comes to these guys,

(11:24):
I don't need to tell you. We don't know how
much of that crosses over to them. Maybe somebody can
be great with dogs, but I really doubt that anybody's
gonna be able to count on being good with dog men.
I just don't think. I don't think that could be
the case.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
I don't even, like I said this from here around
like you say, I must have hit the lottery, and
I'm pretty much glad I did. I mean, if that
thing would have been growning or did anything like that,
I can only think back. I don't know, well, I
gotta gen ride up what I would have done. It
would have what's some fear in me and to see

(12:01):
something that you don't know what it is, and I
couldn't figure it out because like I said, it had
its head down and I couldn't really make out that
snock until Zero help had his head down, and I'm like, oh,
my goodness, that's what I saw.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Well, like I said, I can only imagine what must
have been going through your mind at the time, and
understandably so. Now you said that depended zeros right from
the start. But was there somehow, some way that you
got to beat on how long it's serious might have been?

Speaker 1 (12:32):
It is. I would put them as long long as
my hands, because when I looked up I saw them
going back. I would put this ear at about seven
inches seven to eight inches.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Well that's pretty long. That's pretty close to as long
as a mule.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
It was pretty long when I see him, and the
way they went back, I'm like, okay, look, could have
been like two horns. I wasn't thinking about horns then
on I think I seen was a brown ere coolor
zeros go back. But they were more pointed than Zero's ears.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
That's just amazing, it really is. Did this ear seem
to be on the sides of its head or more
on top?

Speaker 1 (13:15):
It was more on top of his head, more on
the top, further up than zeros would be basically proper
above his eyes. If you take it and take both.
His eyes would pretty wide apart and go up those
ears nearly level with his eyes.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
So pretty much the same positioning as a German shepherd.
Then yes, okay, well, I see that's kind of what
I expected. Did it have its mouth open or closed
at the time?

Speaker 1 (13:45):
If mouth stayed closed the entire time, never open, his
mouth never showed any teeth or nothing. Yes, stood there
looking at me frozen.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
So if he kept his mouth closed the whole time
and it never showed its teeth. With a lot of
dog men, even though their mouths are closed, you can
still see their canines protruding, it sounds like you never
saw anything like that.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
No, maybe they would have been protruded. But like I say,
its head was down, and it had it down like this,
all I could see was the black tip of its
nose at the bottom of the window and his nose
going leading them up into his eyes, And I like,
maybe if it had his nose out straight out, maybe
she may have been protruding out Kate and I might

(14:34):
have been sticking out. But like I said, it was
face to face and I was looking at it face
down and never see any teeth. Glad, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Oh, I bet you are glad. I'm glad you didn't
see any either. That wouldn't have been good at all.
When it held its head down in a posture where
it was almost looking through its eyebrows at you. I
don't know if a dog men his eyebrows or not.
I guess they don't. But anyway, had that head down posture.
Did you get the impression that did that, because if
it would have had its muzzle up pointing straight at you,

(15:06):
that it would have had a hard time keeping both
eyes on you. Or do you think it kept his
head down so it was less intimidating to this little boy.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
No, I guarantee you kept his head down because of
the snout that I know now was too long for
it to be that close. So it had to put
it snap down because, like I said, it was a
very small one and pretty much if it snout was up,
it would have been sitting back. It would have been
back a lot further from that window. So so his
hand is snapped down, it's closer with his eyes.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Oh that's right. Yeah, So if it's eighteen inches away
from you, that makes sense. Then its forehead was probably
nine inches from the glass, and your face was probably
nine inches so that does make sense. If it had
its head up, it couldn't have been that close.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Nope. Wow, And that's what tricked me. That's what tricked me.
I didn't at first. I didn't recognize the snout until,
like I said, when Zero didn't, and it took me
back to that night, just as if I was there,
and I'm like, okay, and I remember the snout down,
seeing the tip of the black nose, perfect example.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, I'd say it must have been. Before I go
any further with the questioning, I want to post a
picture of your main man here, Zero, so I want
to see him there.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
He is. How old is he that? He's two years old?

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Now?

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, he's adorable, he really is.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
And that's exactly how that thing had his head down
like that, and I was looking at it.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
I can only imagine the thoughts going through her head.
But I can't say that enough. I said that a
couple of times, and I just can't say it enough.
I can't only imagine what that must have been like.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Man, I gotta say I got that thing now that
when I say it's trunk down and I got him,
That's what I that would always tell myself if you
shrunk down and came back to me.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
That is amazing. So the same proportions everything, the length
of its ears to the size of its head, everything
was the same, pretty.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Much, pretty much the same. It just giganic. Just takes
zero head and sharp nose hills a little bit, put
them a little closer inward, and make his head the
side of a probably a basketball with a football sticking
out of it. And you got that thing.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
So the same eye color, same nose color, everything.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Ye had the black nose like it was a little
bit dark and you see a little brownish song I
guess on zero note. But his nose was solid black
and nose scratches of anything had that. And fir was beautiful.
It was nice. Peanut butter cardboard colored was not. It
just just seemed like it was groomed. And that's what

(17:54):
got me. I'm looking at something up there, and that's
the reason I wasn't scared, because it didn't look shaggy,
raggedy or it beat up with muddy and nothing like that.
It just like it was a well groomed Maybe the
body wasn't, but I didn't see that wish I would have,
but I didn't see the body.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
That's one of the strange, many strange things about these guys.
So many incredible eyewitnesses, such as yourself, they report that
just left the groomers look to them where they're first perfect.
Others see nasty ones, that kind of mangey, but a
lot of them report that that the dog men they
saw were just clean. It really makes you wonder how

(18:33):
that could be. But even though we wonder how that
can possibly be, it seems like that's a pretty common thing.
So it is what it is. Yeah, it is. Now
this might seem like a strange question, but you were
so close to its face. You're the perfect person to
ask at any time. Did you ever notice if it
had any whiskers or not.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
I didn't see any. Quis good if it did. I mean,
like I say, once I looked up and seen the
blacken up his nose, and his ears went back, and
my eye automatically went back to its eyes, and from
that moment on we locked eyes. I see. I mean
I could see my peripheral vision the face and all that,

(19:16):
but the eyes were the most important thing I was looking.
I was just looking at his eyes, and it was
looking at me. It never took his eyes off me.
I think I took my eyes off for in a
couple of times. See was anybody else waking up? And
looked over at that clock and shifted my eyes slowly back,
still looking at me. Didn't moved a muscle, nothing moved.

(19:36):
Maybe it fighting me in moved. I didn't know, because,
like I said, I didn't see it. But his head
never moved. Its hands never moved again, and they were
hands like zero, but longer, a lot longer.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
You can say a lot of things about that dog, men,
but one thing you can't say is that he was
some comfortable with eye contact. Have you kept eye contact
with you the whole time, all forty five minutes? That
says it all?

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Right there?

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Oh yeah, yeah, it really does. Now you've got a
really good look at its hands you just said. Was
there anything notable though about its fingers that you noticed?

Speaker 1 (20:17):
They were long and bent bent inwards? It had because
we were scratching. I seen them as it was still scratching.
The screen was pretty much torn and gone. It's just
a little window. It couldn't open this little small window,
and I guess it had tore through the screen. And
what woke me up is when it started tapping on

(20:38):
the window. So the way its fingers were, both of
them were up there and they was bent forward. When
I looked up and it just frozed both fingers, both
hands was in the same position, just really long, folded
over like that, and it frowed just it just froke,
froze out, and it looked at me. The only other
movement it made one it went back. That was it

(21:02):
brown hand that you see, a sharp brown furt like
it's net here Zero's trying to jump up on the bed,
but just like he has just stretched out so long.
And the way that little seal came up on the window,
I couldn't see if it had. I'm sure it did
because they tore that screen, but I didn't see that
any claw or anything.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
I put some thought into whether I was going to
ask you this or not, and I think I'm just
going to ask you at anytime after having that experience, James,
do you ever start to wonder how many times how
many nights you were laying in bed and I paid
your visit, but you didn't know about that.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
From that night forward, every time we visited back up then,
like I say, I always slept over there by that window.
I made it my business to lay at an angle,
and I washed that window until I fell asleep. And
I used to think, even to this day, I think
how many times that thing washed up in that I know,
how many time it washed my grandparents, my mother in
the other room. How many time it's been down there

(22:05):
by that corn and was just washing up, pushing those
tires and playing cops and robbers or down there in
that ditch. I mean, how many time it's been watching
the mister l who stayed about one hundred yards up
in my grandfather and it's fun about six hundred yards down.
How many times it had it been to their house
as a visited any you know those three houses, I've
seen it want a little bit further up, but it

(22:27):
just shocking to say, okay, we've been down here at night.
I used to be outside by myself at night, just
sitting on the hood of my mama car looking at
the dogs. How many time would I think behind the
shed looking at me, could have been opening that ditch
looking at me. It didn't know, but it put me
on the alert.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Ill bet it did. Back to the hands there, James,
when it comes to the joints of its fingers. It's
been a long time so you probably don't remember this,
but did you buy chance notice anything about it joints
that seemed a little off that you can remember.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
It's joints. It was like almost like three joints were
to the hand, like it could bend it. Well. We
got on our fingers about an inch the little slot
in the middle of it, and it was so long.
It just looked like just stretching the dogs all out
and almost like it's formed a hand, like it just

(23:26):
a dog paul so big that I don't know of
the actual hands, but they reassemble basically my hands, just
one hundred times long with color. I'm about to saying
close zero and its paws just stretch them out and
I could see they was just long and bent over
like it was almost a fist, about half a fist.

(23:47):
It was just like this right here, but three times
longer than mine.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, they do have big hands. I don't know if
you knew this or not, but the really big ones
twelve footer. It can have hens as big as a
trash can lead.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Oh man, they were big.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, all no doubt. They get really big yeah, that's
big enough to reach around your waist almost to pick
you up. Yes, yeah, that's too big. Right there after
the fact, you and your brother thought about the possibility,
But did you think about how easily that dogged man
could have come into your house broken into your house

(24:26):
before you fell back to sleep that night.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
The only thing I was thinking about as I laid back,
like I said, it was an outhouse back there, and
my grandmother and my mom they wouldn't go out there.
They had a pan or that they were even lead themselves.
But my grandfather and me and my older brother, we'd
take our younger brother that they need to go use
the our house, and we go out of ourselves solo.

(24:51):
Me and my older brother called like I said, we
didn't was scaling nothing. But at that time, I was like,
I hope I don't hear that back go open, because
I know if either my granddad's going out or I
could tell if my brother's going oucause he was the
end of the bed, that it would have had to
be my granddad. And I would have jumped up then
and said, okay, don't don't go out. There's something out there.
And I was just hoping that none of my siblings

(25:14):
woke up, especially the younger one that called, it would
have been a panic. They'd have seen that thing. And
I know, especially the youngest one, if you set up
one of other name with my sister, he would have
went to screaming and what's that thing? Any wonder? And
I don't know what would have happened.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Thankingnes that didn't happen, although that dog man really does
seem like it was one heck of a cool, calm,
customary dog man. So even if they would have woke
up and started screaming, I don't think it would have
done anything dangerous like that. But then again, I can't
think for these things. All I can do is guess.
That's all I can do. Now we've already established the

(25:55):
fact that you two remained locked face to face for
about forty five minutes. But as far as you locking
eyes with it and staying locked with it that long,
was that because you weren't afraid of breaking the window
and grabbing you or was it for another reason?

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Well, I wasn't afraid to cause, like I say, the
side of that window it probably could have been big,
as it would probably could have knocked that in time
side that being a little walls of the house. But
at that time, being so young and not really knowing
what it was, the side of that window. If it
would have broke that window, the only thing he could
have put it. Couldn't even put his head in there.
It would have been able to just put his arms

(26:32):
in there. One of his arm probably could have came
in there, but as far as it would have went,
and I would have just scurried on over to the
other side of the bed. And like I say, I
knew I seen it in the window, and I knew
it couldn't get in that window to me at that
time because of the smallness of that window. It could
have easily got in one of those back doors. But
like I say, it didn't seem to me like it
went anywhere near the fact because it was still in

(26:53):
the window. And like we had two loaded shotguns on
the end of the bed down there, and I could
have got to them shotguns far before UD have got
to that. Well, I don't know how fast I heard
it really fast, but as far as it getting in
that back door, I'm pretty sure me and my brother
had those shotguns in our hands before it comes through
that door. And if it would have buffeted that winder,
he could have just only stuck his hand in there.

(27:13):
That's as far as I knew.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
If it would have come to that door. I'm not
too sure that the guns would have kept you saved
from it. It's hard to say. Sometimes guns are effective,
sometimes they aren't. I'm just so glad. I'm tickled pink
that you never had to find out. Thank goodness, me too.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
I'm glad. Like I say, we, like I said, get
that young age and they have the boat like a
shotgun and brother had a revelation twelve gage pump action shotgun.
And when I say, at that age, and we were
thinking we were indestructible anywhere, we were like a thing
because the gun could stop anything. And that's pretty much
what really kept me from really panicing of being afraid.

(27:52):
Like I said, I don't fear pretty much nothing but
a catfish. But I wasn't scared because, like I say,
it didn't show any aggression at all, and that pretty
much kept me calm on, like, Okay, this thing is
looking at me whatever it is, and everything I know,
I'm wope.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Well, you deserve a lot of credit, James for holding
it together. Because very few people could have held it
together close as well as you did. Most people they'd
be sucking soup through a straw the rest of their lives.
But yeah, you had that experience, a really intense experiences,
not because of how the dog man behaved, but eighteen
inches or less from that dog man face to face

(28:32):
with it for forty five minutes, that's still intense, and
you're still holding it down. So, like I said, you
deserve a lot of credit for that because you've done something.
You're doing something that very few people could do.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Also, my brother, like I think, when he told me,
like I say, I'm chalking up as a dream. The
next morning he told me, did you see that thing
in the window? So evidently it really didn't, you know,
put too much of fear in him, because, like I said,
he saw it at some point when he saw it
before I woke up, Well, he saw it after I
laid back or when I fell asleep. That we never
discussed that. I don't know what time he saw it

(29:08):
or when he saw it, but I know he saw
it too.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, I'd say that's undeniable there Before I go any further.
If you're in the live chat and have any questions
you want me to ask James for you, please type
it in all caps. That way I won't miss it. James,
I'm so glad your encounter didn't stop you from heading
back into the woods. But can you do that present
day and enjoy yourself or are you still looking around

(29:36):
and almost paranoid about the possibility that another dog man
might be out there?

Speaker 1 (29:43):
No, I go fishing. I go hunting. I got a
friend that own a ranch, and we go out to
his ranch and he got targeting and stuff that that,
and we go out there and say in our shotguns
and rifles, and I mean about it's there. I want
to start getting night time. But I'm looking around. But
like I say, I'm the type of prayerson I got

(30:04):
fully full company. I'm saying my weapons, not that I
would use them. I mean i'd rather, like I say,
the riffles I got in the shots I got, they
got infrared and they can also record, and I would
love to see one try to record it. As far
as shooting it, note, I'm not I'm not gonna shoot
one if if that's the last thing I want to do.

(30:25):
I just want to put one of my knight business
camp which I can actually take it off the gun
and use it with my hands. I got several of
them that I could do that with. But like I say,
I want to see another I want to see a
full body. I just don't want to see their hands,
ears and face. I want to see jif how big.
I know they get big, and I know people describe

(30:47):
them seven to twelve foot time. I want to just
see one fully riding bypassing by eighty miles an hour.
I keep going, I just want to see one.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
You never know, somebody down the road, you just might
see another one. If you do have another encounter, though,
I sure hope it's a good one. It's one that's
not going to rattle you the way this one did.
It was pretty I'm not going to say it was benign,
but that encounter was as benign as a dog me
encounter could be. A dog mean encounter can be almost

(31:20):
I mean, you were eighteen inches away from it face
to face, so that right there is pretty intense. Whether
it snarled that you were acted aggressive, but still, I mean,
everything considered, it was a pretty good dog mean encounter.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
That's a good bang. I being at that age student
high school and like I say, I was just young
and old that feared nothing. Nothing. I've been in cages
with bulls and on the back of farcing down in Avery, Georgia,
and they wasn't broken in or just this was getting

(31:59):
nothing anywhere. I wanted to go clem trees, hanging out
bridge and hanging up a side of the usfnmics of
aircraft carrier CBN sixty eight. And it came into swimming
with snakes, didn't It didn't catching them. It didn't make
no different with it. Would I just wasn't skinner man
saying now, if that thing would have been growling small

(32:21):
and showing teeth and out of it probably so.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Oh yeah, that would change everything. Like I said before,
Thank goodness it wasn't that way with you, because that
would have definitely changed the complexion of it. It really
would have. Like I said, everyone, if you have any
questions you want me to ask James for you, if
you're in the live chat, please go ahead and type
it in all caps. That way I won't miss it. James.
After mister l cited in your scope for you, you

(32:48):
said that you had a lot of confidence when it
came to your ability to hit what you're aiming at.
But if that dog man would have come back around
that night, the night that you and your brothers saw it,
and or later on I'm laying in that ditch, how
sure are you he actually would have shot.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
It, because, like I said, after he sighted that riffling
in and to this day, I can take my riffle
and hit targets at one thousand yards.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
So it's I mean, it's easy. I've done it all
my life, like I said, me and my older brother,
we started out with pellet guns. We got so good.
We set the pet six sit matches, little strike matches
out there, the boxes out there and the matches, and
then shooting with pellet guns and I come over with shotgun.
With the spread of the buck shots of bird shots
coming out, we don't have to really too much aim.

(33:36):
But I got so good with that thirty dollars sick
and still I got thirty or six. Now I can
hear anything. I can hit a candload at five hundred
yards for that thing with that high power scope. It's
child's play.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
You're a nail driver.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Then, oh yeah, I'm one of the best. I consider
myself one of the best. I want to be the best.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah, I can understand why. If you can do that,
you're surgical. You've always been one of those people who
have had to see it to believe it. James, But
did your dog be in the encounter have any effect
on that present day? Are you more open minded or
are you're still skeptical about things?

Speaker 1 (34:18):
I was skeptical up until that point when until the
z Road got up on my offer, and because like
I say, I talked when I said, I used to
watch your dog man in counters, and I say, you
know a couple other people and sasquatching counters, and I'm
chalking up, okay, misidentifications. Somebody putting a suit on and
their friends over on one side of the road, and

(34:40):
as soon as a car come by, they run across
with the suits and then it free and take pictures
of it and hop on the back of the truck
and they go home and they go there clan they
seeing a sasquatch or a dog man. I don't think okay,
could have been a hologram. That means they something could
be a hologround projector or something like this right here.
A lot of people say, man, look like it was
floating right across the street, and I said, Okay, if

(35:02):
there could have been a holler round projected or something.
It's just all kind of wild. Things went through my
mind to try to rationalize the encounters I was seeing
on telling me you knew that. I know that I've
seen a live one, a real breathing, live one. And
I chalked it up. Like I say, and if people
making miss identifying a bear stand up against a tree

(35:24):
scratching it back like they do, maybe they saw that
maybe a deer was at an awful position. They said
that how long the dog man was going on four feet?
I'm thinking, okay, maybe you've seen one dog man with
his head down and another one was head up and
standing close to each other, and you misidentify that from
a distance how long it was? But like I say, now,

(35:45):
I know those people actually saw those things because I
saw one.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah that you did. No denying that.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Now.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Some of my witnesses, after having really traumatic encounters with
dog men, do all they can to wait even thinking
about them. Others, on the other hand, become obsessed with
trying to find out all they can. Which group would
you say that you fit into or fit somewhere between?

Speaker 1 (36:12):
I fit in the group of trying to find out
every I watch your dog Man in Council every night.
Every night I watched, so I even go and watch
one that I've seen before, and I'm listening and I'm
taking in all the information I'm taking in the area
they've seen them in, if they showed the time line,

(36:32):
or whoever they seeing them at, especially like I hear
I'm here in Texas, Clean Texas, so close around like Austin,
lampasas Gatesville, and I heard a few people say they've
seen them in Gatesville because of a bunch of country
out there in Gatesville. I've even taken my car and
rode out that with my night vision goggle and just
park side the road and took that night vision thing.

(36:54):
It'll go at least eight hundred yards and just in
the area. It got to me a point. I just
I get obsessed with seeing a full body. Now I've
seen this. I've seen some tears and wild hob and
iyotas stuff like this round here, and I'm like, stand up,
please don't. I'm telling myself seeing it's kind of your

(37:14):
please stand up tell us it.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Huh, yeah, you really caught the bug. That's pretty normal.
You live your life believing that the world operates one way,
but some days, some night, more accurately, you find out
that the world is totally different than you've been told
it is. It's only natural that you're going to try
to investigate whatever it was that upsets your your worldview.

(37:39):
You're going to research that all you can. So, yeah,
that's what I would expect when it comes to how
you've responded. There's no surprise when it comes to that
to me at all. There really isn't. Well, let's get
to some of the questions from the live chat members.
The first one up is from Pancha Zorch and Poncha
wants to know what its arms look like.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Well, I didn't see any arms, like I say. The
only thing I saw was his hands, its face, and
then his ears and the way his hand was like
he had his hands down, but his arms down, but
his hands up and hands up fold up like a
half fist. And that's how I never just I wish
I would have seen the arms, so I couldn't tell

(38:21):
you how long they were or were they shaggy? Was
it sharp fur or long fur? I just seen the hands,
never seen his arms.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
So it had its hands up and over the window
sell the left. Yeah, yeah, okay, that makes sense. The
next one up is from the Wellye Belly and they
want to know what color was it. He said it
was peanut butter colored. But they also want to know
did it seem to be more of a puff than
an adult?

Speaker 1 (38:49):
To me, it would just be I mean I get
at that time, well, like I say now, I would
put it as an a dope, pretty much an adult
as far as I know from what I've heard how
people seen, but like a sub adote. I put it
that way, a sub adope because, like I said, that
one though, we had to stand up on a tire
just looking at one and an I was at that

(39:10):
time five foot five, and I know that time was
at least three foot till I put that thing over
eight feet tall. And I don't know if it was.
It may have been bending over looking at the one
for an hour, I know, but I know it would
at least a little bit over eight feet tall.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, that's big enough right there. The next question is
from Scott Lee. Scott wants to know now before I
ask this question, I'm going to qualify it. His question
if you listen to James talk about what he experienced,
you might say, okay, well Jeams already answered that. But
Scott wants to know. I'll just read this question and

(39:47):
then I'll finish qualifying it. Scott wants to know did
it have a terrifying look about it? Or was it
a beautiful one? Now, even though it wasn't apoplectic, it
was just looking at James through the window without showing
any expression, it still could have been this one, wasn't
It still could have been frightening to look at. So

(40:09):
don't just dismiss his question out of hand as having
already been answered. But yeah, just understand that even though
it wasn't acting aggressive towards James, it still could have
been frightening to look at. But yeah, I just wanted
to qualify that before I I do share this question
with you. Anyway, I'm getting ahead of myself. Scott's question

(40:32):
is did it have a terrifying look about it? Or
was it a beautiful one?

Speaker 1 (40:37):
To me, it was a beautiful look. Like I say,
it looked like a giant version of zero. And now
I guarantee you that my younger sibling woke up heer
terror it would have scared them half to death. If
they're seen that the side of his head and you
know this fingers like the long hand fingers all that,

(41:00):
it would have gared them to death. Like I say,
I'm the type of person that I put my confidence
in those weapons, with the two shotguns we had down there.
Plus it was my older brother was down there and
we both could shoot real goods. Were thinking at that
time those shotguns could stop anything. And that's me And
it wasn't aggressive look and so it never put any fear.
It startled me when I first looked up because I'm

(41:22):
trying to figure out what it was. I had I
went outside and things may have changed. I may have
been running back in that house.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Well yeah, you just might have an understandably so, and
you just mentioned that you're right there trying to figure
out what it was. This is the perfect question to
follow up that statement with cookies and Cream wants to
know do you think it was a male or a female?

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Dog man? If I had to make a decision, I
would think it was male because, like I said, it
had the same and Zero's a male and they had
the same black characteristic of him. Just what the wideness
up his head, bigger head. But some female you know
of animals that they're larger than the male, So it

(42:09):
could quite possibly have been a female. Like I say,
I didn't see Chester or anything. I just, like I said,
from the head ears and half that's it. So it
could have went both ways. It could have been male
or female. I just don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Yeah, you're just doing the best you could to hold
it together and try to gather as much info as
you could. Like I said, I think you deserve a
lot of credit for the way you handle that. You
really do. Most people wouldn't have done really as well.
This next question is from Wandering Bull three six nine,
and he wants to know how old were you. I

(42:45):
think you must have missed episode five ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
I was young. I was around between fifteen to fifteen,
sixteen years old, fourteen, fifteen to seventeen, I would put
it fourteen to seventeen years I know, I was still
in high school. And like I said, the running around
those pellet guns shot gun, they eventually thirty or six,
I didn't have sense enough to have fear. I put

(43:09):
it that way.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Yeah, that's how most of us were back then at
that age, so can't faultunate for that. It looks like
I must have missed episode five ninety seven, because she
wants to know, James, did you say you're afraid of catfish? Why? So?

Speaker 5 (43:27):
My brother called a catfish at that pond behind my
granddad's house, and he had my granddad's old still relling
raw and very large catfish.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
And as he pulled them up on that bank, the
bank was like a slope, and that line broke and
that fish was flopping around trying to get back into
that water, and me, being an idiot, ran down there
and grabbed that fish with both my hands on the
side of his head, with those two whatever twenty things
on his side, and it must have stuck them both up,

(44:00):
and it made me turn it loose. And from that
day forward and to this day here, I will not
pick up a catfish for nothing.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah it hurts, doesn't it?

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yeah, yeah, I'll get your motor running. It looks like
the next question is from Lucky number six and he
wants to know where. She wants to know did James
see any here or fur or paw Prince left behind the.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Next day nothing. Only thing that was noticeable was the
torn screen. We know for a fact that screen wasn't torn. So,
like I said, was that previous day we pre say
hide and go seeking to get up there and looking
at our grandma would have killed us, My grandad would
have killed us. They would have told that screen and
the grass around the house. The house was sitting up
on bricks, old house and up home bricks or stone, bricks, whatever,

(44:53):
and couldn't see anything. And at that time I wasn't
thinking to go look at that field because the field
was plow up, but it had no plants there, and
it probably was footprints out there, but we weren't even
thinking about that, about looking for footprint. I wish I
would have, but we weren't even thinking about looking for footprints.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Well, it's totally understandable, it really is. It's not until
recent times when the idea of trying to collect evidence
is really in the forefront of most people's minds when
it comes to an experience like that, so totally understandable.
It looks like the next question is from Wandering Bull
and Wandering Bull wants to know James, at any point

(45:33):
did you think to take a picture of the dog men?

Speaker 1 (45:36):
I had nothing at that time. To take a picture
with it. Nothing, no back they have no cell phones
back then with us. If they were, we didn't know
about them. And the camera was an old polar rob
that I could shoot the picture out, but we didn't
have anything like that. I say, I wished I would have.
I definitely would have toruk a picture of it. But
like I said, probably even if I had a camp

(45:56):
I would have been thinking about that camera. I was
just been looking at that thing. And that's what I
say about a lot of people think they got their
cell phones and they see the thing, that's first thing
they think people are going to do if grab their phone.
Know that that half the people are being shocked. They
are not thinking about their cell phone. They're thinking about living.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
You're right, You're right. I heard somebody on a podcast
mentioned if we put you in a cage at the
zoo with a lion, how many pictures are you going
to get to that line? That's a great point.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Zero, that's right.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
I apologize if we've got that interference. Again, like I
said on an earlier episode, someone in the area where
the studio is has got an ungrounded antenna and that's
what causes that sound. So again I apologize. Hopefully they'll
stop it. But the next question for you is from
Kelly in I think she missed episode five ninety seven

(46:51):
as well. Kelly wants to know where did this happen?
What part of the country.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
It's Georgia and it's Old Country or Bianna, Georgia or Vienna.
I pronounced that Vianna. It was in Vienna, Georgia. It
was out from the town out in the country. Weighed
about five miles from town, out in the country, about
three miles away from Interstate seventy five that runs straight

(47:17):
through Cordia, Vianna, Dooley County all up Atlanta. It was
out in the country, got them with woods and fields.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yeah, perfect area for a dog man to be. The
next question for you is from Michigan meat eater, and
he wants to know have you had any other experiences
after this?

Speaker 1 (47:41):
No, and at that time I wish I did. Like
I said, after that, we've been down there one hundred
more times. Out said that I watched that wonder, never
seen anything about that. Didn't go outside and in the daytime,
I whatever. When I mentioned my dad brought to thirty
hour stix with the scope on it. I used to
stand up on a big iron pot in the back
of my granddad out and just scan that tree line

(48:02):
where the pond was, hoping that I would see it.
Need come to drink some water or just walk out
or either stand there looking at me. I just I
just never sing it again. I want thing I heard
anything close about that is when my brother theyvenge had
a girlfriend, ain't Darthy when they said something ran out
in front of their car in front of Georgia Civik.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Yeah, you handled it exactly how people would almost anyone
would handle a situation like that. So, yeah, that was
textbook how you handled that. The next question is from KL,
and KL wants to know did you say that from
Georgia that's my home state. Yeah, you just answered that,

(48:49):
so we can move on to the next one, which
is from to be or not to be? They wanted
to know did you feel like it was intelligent?

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Yes? I can tear from the eye that it was intelligence,
that those are I could look into his eye, same
with with Zero, like I say that same look in
his eyes, and I know Zero's intelligent. I've seen Zero
take a council in his mouth and get something from
on the table. I watched him do that.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
That is smart. Yeah, really smart little guy. This next
one is from Spicy Housewife and she wants to know
has your family been informed about your encounter and if yes,
what was the reaction.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
No, I've never told anyone my family. The only one
I know about there was me and my older brother
because at that time, we didn't want to scare you know,
the younger siblings or the older one. My grandmother, my grandfather.
My mother thought we were probably was crazy, and we
never did tell anybody, And they didn't tell him one thing.

(49:53):
Because there's been times when my mother actually went down
there by herself and we stayed home, me and my
older brother to the younger of us right there, and
we wanted to tell them, but like I said, I brother,
that thing probably long gone. So we never got because,
like I said, under the time after that we were dying.
There nothing nothing even remotely close to it, anything coming
to that woman except for the little small are light

(50:16):
from the light that was oldbody shed. You never told
about mother or my grandmother, anybody. That only pace people
I ever told what the people I worked with.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
It really was a different time back then. People are
so much more open to things like this now than
they were back then. It's totally understandable why you didn't
share it. I get it. The next question is from
Christina easter Day, and she wants to know did all
your dogs react at all when this dog man was
at your window for forty five minutes?

Speaker 1 (50:49):
No, my dogs, they were in about twenty miles away.
There was an airby charge at my grandmother's house on
my father's side. That's why I got was I never
had a dog down to my grandfather's house. And my
granddad had two black Labrador Retrievers and that was at
that time I was probably about twelve or thirteen years old,

(51:10):
And to this day, I don't know what happened to
those dogs. Only thing I know he had two levelod
we used to play with and after that they were gone.
And I actually I never had an owner doult that
I took down there to my grandfather's house and Bana
George that was my mother's mama and father. But I
never had a dog down there.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
It does make you wonder how they would have responded.
This next one is from Christina Ysterday also and you
touched on this already. She wants to know what color
worthy eyes sin color is zero. I guess a darker
brown in the dark brown or black. I think you said,
didn't you Yep, okay. And then she also wants to

(51:49):
know if it smiled at you, and you said that
it kept its mouth closed the whole time.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Yeah, kept no smile, no grimace, no bearing his teeth,
no lips going back like zero do sometime when I
accovate him. But nothing. It just it was like it
was a somebody just put a picture of it there.
It was just that still. I know it was living
if I can look at it out. The only thing
moved with his eye when I laid back down, his

(52:16):
eye would just following minutes, three things moved, eyes, those hands,
and it was when it went back. That's the only
thing that moved on that.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Thing, other than being there at your bedroom window in
the middle of the night to handle itself about as
well as could be expected or hoped, so thank goodness
for that. Steven truth seeker wants to know if there
was a smell.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
No, there was no smell, like I said, was I
was inside it was on the outside that no smell
whatsoever I could think of. No smell.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
That answer is that Christine yesterday also wants to know
if it had tufts on the tops of its ears.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
I did. If it did, I didn't see it because
I didn't have time to actually focus in on his ears,
because as soon as I set up, its hands stopped,
and when his ears went back, that's when I looked
up and I called him going back. So I didn't
see that that that the tip of them that didn't
didn't have I just know they was just long and
pointed from the its head on up and its ears

(53:22):
went back before I can actually see the tip of
they just folded back and they never came back up.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
It's no chance to tell for that tufts. That's understandable.
It looks like no more. Fundland wants to know. Do
you have a history of any pure normal encounters other
than the dog man.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
No, that's about the only thing other than this gigantic snake.
I saw. We well, we all saw that going across
that that dirt road stretched from one end that dirt
road all the way across the other.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Yes, that was fun, that rattlesnake. That was one heck
of a specimen. If there ever was such a thing
as a boon and crocket rattlesnake. That's definitely one that
was it. That's a big one. This next one is
from Currie Hellier, and Carrie wants to know, sorry if
this has already been covered James, but did the eye

(54:22):
seem to have an illumination of their own rather than
just reflected eye shine?

Speaker 1 (54:27):
No shine whatsoever? Is I the brownish black eyes with
a little bit of white I can see on both
corners of it. And that was it. It wasn't no shining,
no illumination in thathing regular dog black eyes to me.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Yeah, that helps too. There's no such thing as a
dog man encounter that's going to give you the warm
and fuzzies. But this one here that James had except
for the fact that being so close to the window
everything besides that it pushes all the buttons for being
about as team as can be. Thank goodness for that.
I still wish it wouldn't have come up to your
window the way it did. But other than that, everything

(55:07):
else it checks off all the boxes.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Oh yeah, Like I say, it wasn't no one that
went aggressive, just like it was just like looking at
the one like asci in time. Just look, okay, I'll
see you. You see me. We just look at each other.
And I guess when y'all fell asleep, maybe just say, okay,
he's not looking at me anymore. You sleep by. Maybe
it just walk. Maybe it just say, okay, you better

(55:33):
I got away from the winder. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
All we can do is guess. The next one is
from Jennifer Christiansen and Jim wants to know did the
dog man have claws?

Speaker 1 (55:47):
If it did, I didn't see him, like I said,
I had to have to to to that screen like
it did. But like I said, the one I looked up,
his fingers was folded down and it froze, so I
must have called it and down with motion. When it
froze up and it froze up, his eyes shifted. The
minute went back and I looked up in his ears
right quick, and I looked back down in his eyes,

(56:08):
and I just stayed locked with his eyes. But I
see when I first seen his fingers, I can see him,
you know, I'm looking at his eyes. I can still
see the image of his fingers down there, but it
was folded over, so I didn't see it. If it
had closed or not, I'm pretty sure it did. And
the way it throw that screen.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Well, you deserve credit for noticing all that you did.
Like I said, a lot of people, most people wouldn't
have noticed what you did, So hats off to you.
I've got another one for you. This one's from Bang
Bang and she wants to know, James, did you see
it tapped on the window?

Speaker 1 (56:42):
It was not I wouldn't call it tapping on the window.
It was like it was like scratching on it. Cause
once it got through that screen, that's when it hit
his fingers start hitting that window. And I looked at it, like, yeah, okay,
this thing. That's what woke up because I can, I can,
I can hear like a bunch of and that's what

(57:05):
woke me up. And it was still going on, and
so I'm like, okay, I woke up. Or something is
tapping in that window or something that's tapping in this
house somewhere. And as I set up and turned my
head to the window, and wow, I said, what is this?

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Oh I bet you said something worse than that, and understandably,
so I get it. This next one is from Frost
m See Dill and they wanted to know when it
looked in the window, was it concentrating on him or
was it looking up the inside of the room.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
It concentrated full attention was on me one hundred percent.
Is I never left me? It stayed focused on me
in my eyes, like I said, I may. I took
my eyes glanced away from it twice to see anybody
getting up, make sure women not trying to go out
that door, and looking at that old grandfather clock, the

(58:04):
little dim light. But its eyes never left me. It
stayed locked on me like like it was just just
looking at it intrigue.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
You know when you're in the conversation with someone, how
if you're close enough, you can notice I'm looking left right, left, right,
left right, looking from one eye to the next and
back and forth. Did it ever do that with you?
Or was it just locked in one eye of the
whole time?

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Locked on? Was it looking at me one eye like
I say, when I looked at it, I'm my eye
then moved. When I was sitting up, I'm looking into
his vibe. It never blinked. Maybe if it did, I
didn't notice it like it never blinked. I'm just looking
at it and bating the part of my month. I
laid back down at that angle and nearly laid on
top of one of my brothers. And that's the only

(58:51):
time is I moved boo and it kind of went
to the it space and the one that went back
to the right because I was laying I laid back
and at angles, I went to the looking at the
then move it out. Just his eyes moved, and at
that time I could see more fright on its left
eye than the right one.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
That's called the sclera of the eyeball. You most have
witnesses they never seeing that. So yeah, you were close,
up close and personal. The next one for you is
from to be or not to be? And they want
to know, do you have any friends who have seen
the dog man?

Speaker 1 (59:33):
I had one. She comes to subway and that she's
the one person I told and she called the werewolf
and she said she's playing the werewolf, said she passed by.
She was actually she was coming down one and she
works in Georgetown. She was coming back home down one
and said she looked over and seeing and I'm like,

(59:57):
why when I w you, I'm thinking that myself. And
I told her about how I was gonna do this here.
She said, well, that's when she told me she did
I've seen a were wolf. I'm like, okay, it's just
as a doult man. It's not a were wolf. It
call them dot man. I ended up telling her to
the day she would still saying it was a were
wolf standing up, walking on it's on two legs.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
You know what they say, Misery loves company. Of course
you weren't rattled by that encounter. You're not miserable about
that experience and just trying to deal with it, come
to terms with it. But it still had to be
a source of comfort knowing that you're not the only
person in the world to have an encounter with one
of these things. Now you definitely know that, but back
then when you spoke with her, you found that out

(01:00:43):
pretty shortly after the fact, and thank goodness for that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
And then the other one that was when, like I said,
a guy, you're on the supermarket, Rachel supermarket. His name
was mister Rachel, and I was in there one day
and he was telling about, you know, he had an't
kind of with a sash squad night At that time,
I'm highly skeptic. Go okay, yeah, here we go again.
Somebody has seen a nine foot eight walking thing on
the iron leg and I've been in these woods millions

(01:01:09):
of times, hunting, fishing, climbing trees that was anything like that,
And now I know how many times those things like
that saw me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Yeah, it's a pretty strange feeling.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
It looks like shalam Shaw wants to know. Do you
think that if you hadn't woken up and saw it,
that it would have gotten into your home?

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
I don't think so, because that as flimsy as that
house was, if it wanted to come in, it could
have gotten in. It took either one other doors. Like
I say, they took the old house back there, and
it took a nail and took a boy a six
foot I mean a six inch by two inches a
little more block of wood and knelt that nail through it,

(01:01:54):
knelt it into that wall and then turned its sideways
and held that door closed. And that was the only
thing holding that door open. And my mother had trying
to lock us. My younger brother hit that door thinking
it was open, and knocked that nail in that piece
of wood out that door, and that door flew right open.
That thing could have just it could have come in there.
With anybody knowing on the sign you would have heard

(01:02:16):
or that nail and that piece of wood hitting that floor.
That's the only sign that would have heard.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Well, as you know, it didn't have to use that
door or any window or anything like that to gain entry.
It could have come through the wall, any of the
walls in the home to get into the home. But yeah,
obviously I didn't want to do that. And thank goodness
for that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Oh yeah, me and my older brother probably because I
guarantee you, if we really wanted to man it took
us a little while, we probably could have went through
that wall. It was just that thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Oh, I understand it looks like cookies and cream must
not have heard episode five and ninety seven either, because
you addressed that in that episode. But no harm, no foul.
Everyone's busy. They want to know. So did you see
it leave or did you go to sleep?

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
I fell asleep. I only think I know. I was
laying back, almost on top of one of my brothers,
and I was watching it and watching that last glance
when I looked over and making sure nobody up, making
sure I wouldn't see if my older brother was sitting up,
anybody sitting up, I would have gepped my young wealth
and dead, and that that's when I've seen that. It
was three o'clock, getting close to three o'clock, and I
just turned around, well put shifting my eyes back slightly

(01:03:26):
and kept looking at looking at looking at it, and
next saying, I know I'm waking up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
It does make you want to how long it stayed there.
But it's a good thing you did just fall asleep,
because if you didn't, who knows what how much time
would have gone by with you still there? Locked ey
die with.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
That, That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
The next one is from Harrison Wargo, and Harrison wants
to know, apologies if this has been addressed, but what
was the overall feeling you got from it in the
moments you had looking into its eyes while it was
steering at him.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
The very first feeling that came to me when I
when I first set up it was unbelief. I'm like, okay,
and then I'm shifted from unbelief. Though what is this?
I'm trying to figure out what am I looking at?
What I mean, what's in this one? Is an owl?
In this one looking at it is some raccoon or
something like that. I'm going through all the little things

(01:04:25):
I've seen down there and those wheels down there, and
like I said, I couldn't. I could not match it
up with anything because the weight had his head down
and it, like I say, that basically tricked me because
at that time I didn't realize that it's it was
a snout down going down to zero, got into that
pasta and it just didn't. The feeling came over, like, Okay,

(01:04:46):
I'm curious. I'm trying to figure out what it was.
It's probably trying to figure out what I am. And
I'm just looking at it and looking at it, and
I'm thinking, Okay, I'm looking at an alien from out
a space or a monster or someun rock there. Because
like I say, back then, the term dog man never
would have crossed my mind to turn well wolfed, Yes,
well wolf crossed my mind. But the one I'm used

(01:05:08):
to is just a regular man with a little fur
on his face, and he had no snot whatsoever, and
he wasn't as tall as as victims. And well it's
big fling all that that one we've seen at the theater.
Nothing that didn't look nothing like that. And so I
didn't have no kind of this curiosity. I'm trying to
figure out what it was what am I looking at?

(01:05:29):
I'm looking at something that I've never seen before, so
I couldn't identify it to save my life.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
I'm glad you're able to get some answers. Got one
more question for you, and this is from Becoming Ama
Marie and looks like Emia wants to know. Hey, James
can't remember from the first episode, and I'm just now
hopping on the live, but did you or your brother
ever mention your citing to your grandparents and if not, why.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Because I didn't want to put them out. I really
didn't want to scare anybody. My mother, my father, they
probably want to believe me anyway that the first thing
they probably would have said, yeah, y'all was so bad
and probably de Ever looking at you in the wather,
and I guarantee you that's what they would have said,
and they wanted to believed me. And like I said,
all the time, me and my brother stayed down there

(01:06:20):
soil that time was in the dish trying to find it.
And I'm looking at that one and all that he
probably was too, and I'm scanning the horizon down there,
never seen it again, so I picked it up, and
that thing is long gone, so nothing to worry about it.
But I made sure I didn't take the boat out
the shotgun with me, like we went to my other
grandparents' house in the airbage gearge I left the shotgun down.
I loaded, Like I say, buck shots love buck shots.

(01:06:42):
So I'm figuring my granddaddy see something like that. He's
got that shotgun and so it really didn't worry us
like that. Plus mister l up there with its thirty
or six and he shoot really good because he basically
taught me, and I wasn't really worried. I'm figuring that
if I don't figure if I wasn't scared, and that's
my grandparent, maybe he would have been scared.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
You know. I said this several times before I said
one more time. You definitely don't frighten easily. Holy cow.
I Oh no, I'd say you don't. Well, definitely closing
comments you want to share with us, James before we
get out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Oh yeah, like I said, I'm that one person that, yeah,
all the skeptics on this planet, I was number one,
Like I said, I at that time, even after I've
seen that thing in the window, I knew that was
things out that you couldn't explain. But like I'm saying,
for a being of sas squad, I'm that last person

(01:07:43):
on earth that would have believed in that. Like I said,
I had a idea of what things were missed identification.
I even went as for a projection hologram and stuff
like that around people's and soups and all the people
with wouldn't put things making all that, and like I said,

(01:08:05):
it took zero and I'm glad it did because it
put my mind at rest. That was forty a little
bit over forty years, and all that time, I wonder
what was it that I've seen? And I am so
glad that when I some wanted that dog and I
got him and I was playing with him that day
and he got up on my arm, that put my

(01:08:26):
mind at ease. I was so glad, And like everybody know,
I know for a fact at least was one. I
don't know if it's still alive. I don't know if
it's still out there. I don't know if it went
away from Jordan. I know for a fact that it
was at least one of those things. And I'm pretty

(01:08:47):
sure everybody's seen these encounters and the different kinds I
don't know about the different kinds. I know that kind.
It's the one I saw. It may have been the
same kind as everybody else seen. Like I said, I
only seen the face, hands and ears. That's why to
this day I wish I would have seen his entire body.
Probably would have scared me half to death then, but
I still wish I would have seen that entire body.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Yeah, it probably would have, but it is what it is.
I mean, you obviously weren't in control of that encounter
it was. I'm just glad that you saw it and
it was a good thing. It hasn't ruined your life.
You can still function and do what you need to do.
Thank Goodness for that. So I guess all we can
do is play the glad game on that. And before

(01:09:29):
the night, when you had that experience, you never would
have believed that anything like that could be out there.
But after you had that experience, now you know there
definitely are. But having said that, James, I can't thank
you enough for coming on sharing the details of that
experience for us and episode five ninety seven number one,
but for you to come back and answer all these questions.

(01:09:51):
Really appreciate that too, So thanks again so much for
your time.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Now you're welcome, guinea time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
It's appreciated well. Having said that, thanks again so much,
and have a great night, so do you thanks, We'll see.
Well that's it for another episode. Everyone. If you've had
a Dogman encounter that you either want to speak with
me about to get help coming to terms with or
if you want to be a guest on the show,

(01:10:18):
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if you do that then I'll be more than happy
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There's no ever any pressure if you need help coming
to terms with your experience. Of course, there's never any
pressure to come on the show as a guest. A
lot of the eyewitnesses I speak with, I speak with

(01:10:39):
and in private you're never going to hear them on
the show, so please keep that in mind. But having
said that, thanks again so much for listening everyone. I
really appreciate it, and of course have a great night.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
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