Let’s Talk About Your Booger Bear Encounters - Dogman Encounters Episode 586

Tonight’s guest, “Phoenix,” came on last week’s livestream and shared some of the Dogman-related experiences he’s had, including the night when he was tormented by one when he was home alone, when he was only 12 years old (he and his family call them “Booger Bears”). Tonight, he’ll be back to share more encounters he’s had with you and to answer the questions I have for him, about his experiences. If you’re in the live chat and have questions for him, he’ll be ready to answer your questions too. We hope you’ll join us!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
At a book.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward slash podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so
much for listening to another episode of Dogman Encounters Radio.
Really appreciate you joining us. On last week's show, we

(01:50):
had Phoenix come on and talk about several of the
dogman encounters he's had, most notably an encounter he had
when he was eleven when he was home alone. Unfortunately
one night and between four and five am, unfortunately, a
dog man came paying him a visit. He and his family,
they call them booger bears. But to a little boy

(02:13):
like that, it's just a monster. You can't tell him
it's anything else. Well, we ran out of time on
that show last week, so I wasn't able to ask
him questions, and he still had experiences that he wasn't
able to share. Ran out of time. Luckily, he's agreed
to come back for a part too here tonight and
share those other experiences with you and give me a

(02:35):
chance to ask him a bunch of questions. And of course,
if you're in the live chat and have questions for him.
He's ready to answer your questions as well well, without
any further Ado, let's bring him in here now. Phoenix,
thanks so much for coming back.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
I think it's good to be back.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Well, it's great having you, it really is, Phoenix. I
guess right off the top, if you can just chair
the other experiences that you've had with dog Men, and
then after you do that, that's what I'm going to
dive into my questions for you.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Okay. So, like I said, I think the last thing
we mentioned was the furnace outside in the back, and
that was in twenty fifteen, and things were relatively quiet,
if memory serves correct, until about twenty twenty two. I

(03:36):
was in a party chat on PlayStation with one of
my friends and a cousin, and I was heating up
my leftover out back steakhouse. It was the onion bloom
thing and it was in the air fier and I

(03:59):
was just waiting for to heat up. And I have
a tendency to pace when I'm just in a party
chat like that, but not actually on a game, and
so I was pacing in the dining room between the
table and the window in the back, which is facing
the woods, and all of a sudden, as I'm you know,

(04:26):
pacing and standing around waiting for my dinner, I heard
what sounded like a roar. But the thing was is
it was it felt like it was so loud that
it kind of vibrated through my chest and I thought

(04:50):
maybe I had somehow gotten disconnected and it was something
from the game. But that's when both my friends and
cousin we're asking what that was. And so sitting there,
you know, like, oh, you heard that, So that wasn't

(05:13):
from the game, no, they said, And I didn't actually
see anything. I looked out the window and uh, these
these were lace curtains. So I mean, it's not like
I could have just remained hidden, but I didn't see

(05:37):
anything at that point, and I didn't have anything else
strange happened that night. Although I was a little shaken
on that because I had no idea what that was.

(05:58):
I think the next thing that happened may have been
the time where I was sitting out on the front
porch and I was on a mobile game. And I

(06:21):
feel like I talked about this in the last episode,
but I was just sitting there and something walked and
hearing the footsteps, it sounded like it was walking with
two legs as opposed to four, and they were very

(06:41):
long strides. And as I'm sitting there, I'm kind of listening,
and I hear it walk past the porch that I
was on, It goes down, crosses the road. I hear
the crunch of the gravel, and the dumpster lid opens

(07:01):
and then closes, and then it walks back up. And
as I'm sitting there and listening because now it has
my attention because there shouldn't be anyone there, and when
it gets parallel to me, it starts doing the heavy breathing,
very very reminiscent of what I heard when I was eleven.

(07:27):
And as far as that goes, I saw the silhouette
of it because there was a light source behind it,
but as far as that part of the yard it
was completely dark, and I only saw the eyes. They
were glowing like a bluish green, with like an amber

(07:50):
tent to it. And the thing about that porch is
it comes up about six feet off the ground and
I am about five eight, and whatever that was was
almost eye level with me from that high and I

(08:16):
collected my things and from my little table and went inside.
That's when I got in touch with my ex, who
was away with a friend at a birthday party, and
I told him that, you know, what had happened just then,

(08:37):
and we decided I should call the police. We had
a sheriff's deputy come out, and after he came out,
it took him like maybe half an hour to get there,
and the whole time I was I just felt really

(08:59):
un comfortable because of that. But when he got there,
he walked around the property, walked around the campground and
the store, which was the business that my ex's family has,
and he wasn't really looking for like any prince or anything.

(09:25):
But as I was following him with his flashlight, I
didn't see any prince. But once he got around to
the side of the house where it had walked, I

(09:48):
declined to go any further towards the woods because this thing,
like I said, was apparently very lard and from the silhouette,
it looked like it had those big pointy ears that

(10:11):
had they not been so elongated and pointed like that,
I would have maybe considered that was a bear, But
I I don't think I could rightly consider it to
be a bear. Because of those ears and the way
the eyes just seemed to glow like that without any

(10:36):
light source actually hitting them that I could tell. But
after he left, it just felt very like, very tense.
It's a difficult sensation to describe. I would almost describe

(11:04):
it like a kind of a pressure, like an external
pressure on the outside of the body. But that's all
I could describe it with of how I felt After
that sheriff deputy left and that night I loaded up

(11:29):
the shotgun, went upstairs to the office and slept in
the office computer chair next to that shotgun. And probably
it wasn't the next day, but it wasn't more than
a week. I think I was coming home from work

(11:59):
and as I pulled up, I could see the door.
The back door was just about ripped off the hinges.
It was just hanging by the lower hinge. And we
did call the conservation department out and when the when

(12:22):
the conservation officer came out, he assessed the damage on
the door, and we asked him, you know, what do
we do about this bear that tried to get into
the house. And he said, well, there are some very

(12:44):
large claw marks on the door, but they're not consistent
with a bear, And at that point we're like, okay,
maybe it's Mittens out Mittens is the mountain lion that
frequented our area, and that's just the name that I

(13:05):
gave it. But when I brought this up, he was like,
this is definitely not a big cat. So at this
point my ex husband and I looked at each other
in a kind of both shock and amusement, because like, what,
what do you mean? This isn't a cat, but it's

(13:27):
not consistent with a bear. And so then my ex asked,
you think it's a person. He said absolutely not. So
we were questioning what what else could it be? And
the only thing he said after that was, we don't

(13:53):
know what it could be, so we're just going to
have to go with bear. And he left some rubber
shotgun shells if we needed them, not that I needed them.
I had magnum shot slugs for the shotgun. So and

(14:22):
after that, for about maybe a week or two, every night,
from maybe one in the morning to three in the morning,
there was a helicopter that would fly around our area

(14:44):
and at first, you know, I thought maybe it was
just like the medavac chopper from the hospital, because they
occasionally would fly over, and I just happened to be
up late enough one night that I was out on
the porch and it flew by, but I could see

(15:08):
that it was using a search light, and I thought
that was really strange, and so every time I would
hear it after that, just out of curiosity, I would
get up and go and look, and every time for

(15:29):
that about two weeks, it was a helicopter flying around
with a searchlight around the woods and it was flying
fairly low, but it's like they were looking for something.
And I had no idea who that would be, because
it wouldn't make sense. I didn't think for like conservation

(15:56):
department to send someone out looking for something for like
a bay, especially in that area. And I don't think
there was like any escape convicts or anything. But I
just thought that was extremely odd. And as far as

(16:23):
the other incidents go, there's there was a storm and
so the storm blew over a half of a tree.

(16:50):
It's kind of was kind of growing up in. It
was not growing up in, but it was. The deck
was built around the tree, so it was basically part
of the deck which was the neighbor's house now our driveway.
The way it worked was. It was on the other

(17:10):
side of the cabin where they lived, and it would
just lead up to the back of our house to
the back door under the car port. Well, this tree
had been partially blown over, but there was one big,

(17:35):
long branch that was the only thing that was blocking
the car from getting out. When I noticed that it
was blocking my way out, since I did have to
work in the morning, I was like, well, we need
to get this taken care of so I can get

(17:59):
to work in the morning. And my ex came out
there with me and looked at it, and he was like,
all right, well, just give me about an hour to
finish this movie, because he was streaming on discord with
a few friends watching the movie together. And so I

(18:22):
go back in continued doing whatever I was doing, and
once he was done with his movie, we came back out.
He went and got the chainsaw. We met up at
the tree and that big branch was gone, and I

(18:46):
looked at where the branch had had been on the tree,
and it looked like it hadn't been broken and twisted off,
and I wasn't really sure what to make of that,
and my my ex tried to rationalize that it must

(19:12):
have been one of the neighbors who came out and
got rid of it, and I was like, well, they
didn't use a chainsaw. We would have heard that. And
I said that, you know, we both tried to break
it with our combined strength, and it was too strong
to break. It's too big, and so I was like,

(19:37):
it couldn't have been a neighbor because they wouldn't have
been able to break it either, and they used no tools,
and the way it's broken indicates that it was just
brute forced off off of the main trunk. He would
not hear any any other explanation, but I tried to

(20:04):
reason with him that, you know, even even if someone
were to have passed by, it would have been also
at that point too dark for them to even notice it,
and that if they did, we would have heard them.
We heard nothing, and he was just adamant that someone

(20:28):
that lived nearby had come and removed that branch. And
as far as anything else, I don't really have anything
of note, except for one evening after I'd gotten off

(20:49):
of work. I usually got off at about four unless
I stayed late, which would have been about six because
the drive through at the bank that I worked at
at the time was open until six, so either either

(21:12):
I was coming home late from work or I had
gone grocery shopping, and either way, it was dusk it
was starting to lose light. But the only other thing
that I can say that I may have seen is
on my way home on the road out in the country,

(21:33):
I did see something as I was coming down a hill,
and at first I did think bayre But the way
it stood so tall and moved down the embankment so

(21:54):
fast and seemingly on two feet, where it disappeared into
the really tall underbrush before going into the woods, it
kind of did resemble that. But as far as what

(22:16):
I've experienced, that would pretty much cover that.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Well a lot of experiences, especially considering how many encounters
you've had, Phoenix. How long did you know about me
before you decided to contact me.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
After the incident in twenty two where I heard the
breathing while I was on the porch and saw the silhouette,
I started researching into what that could have possibly been
because I had no logical explanations, and given the experience

(22:57):
I had when I was eleven, I wanted answers and
I could think of nothing logically, so I started to
expand my search and eventually came across your show as
well as other resources pointing to the dog Man. And

(23:20):
I'll say, initially I wrote it off, but I did
continue to listen to your show just because I like
to hear these experiences. But so I would say, since

(23:40):
about twenty twenty two is when I first started, well,
so listening to your show about three years.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Then, well, if you'd had all these experiences, how could
you write it off?

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Well, because since I hadn't seen like up close and
where they're close enough where I couldn't deny what it was,
I think that would be why, Because yes, I saw

(24:20):
what the silhouette looked like, I saw what the shadow
looked like, but I didn't actually see up close without
any possible other explanation. I mean, not that there is
really much explanation for the things that I saw, which

(24:40):
is what led me on that search. But I think
that is the big reason why, especially for so long
that I wrote it off as well. Typical response would
be oh, that's a bear, No, I don't think so.

(25:05):
And having reflected on them for a bit, it was
when I decided to finally contact you because I was
kind of hoping we could, I don't know, at least

(25:26):
me share the story, maybe gain some info out of it,
some insight.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Well, yeah, that was a compensation device, trying to write
it off, even though you'd seen the silhouette that one
night and you saw the shadow on your sister's window.
I can understand why you would do that, because the
world's a lot more comfortable of a place. It's a
safer place if you can somehow convince yourself, yeah, these
things aren't really out there. It was just my eyes

(25:54):
playing tricks on me. But I think deep down you
knew exactly what you were dealing with. And again I
understand it, but I think that's why you did that.
You think I'm on the right track here, Do you
think I won't?

Speaker 1 (26:06):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Actually, yeah, that would make sense, It really would. And
Phoenix being a kid is hard enough. Did you suffer
from many behavioral issues or other problems after you had
that really frightening experience in the middle of the night.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Now, I wouldn't say I would. I was a relatively
good kid, But aside from just not going on those
hikes with my dogs for a few months now, I

(26:47):
don't think I really had anything except for like I
mentioned before, I really you do not care to go camping,
especially anywhere that is more remote.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Well, that's totally understandable. It's one thing after having one
encounter to try to bring yourself to do something like that.
But you have a history of encounters with these things.
I can only imagine how difficult it's been to come
to terms with all that. I mean, it's just every
time you turned around, it was reinforced that these things
are out there. Wow, that's not good. The radio interference, Yeah,

(27:31):
I think someone in the area is using a non
FCC compliant radio that's way too powerful and it is
bleeding over into my equipment. So I apologize for any
of that feedback that we get or the buzz, but
we'll sol drawn and try to keep on going. But
it's one thing to hear your parents tell you that

(27:52):
booger bears are actually out there, but seeing them that's
totally different after you realize one was definitely out there.
I even night when you were eleven and that one
tormented you. Did you ever go outside alone again after
that point?

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Or yeah, ah, I did, but it was definitely a
good A good little while before. Uh, say, for example,
I would, uh, you know, take the trash out after dark.

(28:32):
And then when if I were to you know, walk anywhere,
say to my aunt's house or anything like that, I
made sure to always have one of the dogs with me.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah. Well, whatever you can do to make yourself feel
comfortable by all means, I'm glad you did that. Yeah,
whatever it takes. Like I said, being a kid, it's
hard enough you have all these fears, some are justified,
some aren't. But when you have this thrend to the mix,
that's just not right. No kids should have to deal
with that. They really shouldn't. It's also hard enough to

(29:09):
wrap your mind around the idea of how you could
possibly have one dog mean an encounter. But in your case,
you've had a ton of them. Do you think there's
something behind that, the fact you've had so many, or
do you think it's just dumb luck.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
I question that. Actually, I've noted, as you know, listening
to your show, it does seem to target specific people.

(29:47):
I don't know if it if they seem to just
like to go after more spiritual people were not, but
I do seem to notice a trend that they do

(30:08):
typically go after Christians, but or at least that's what
I've gathered so far. And now, mind you, I haven't
gotten completely caught up with all of your episodes yet,
but that is just the trend I've noticed. No, I
am not Christian, but I am more on the spiritual side.

(30:33):
But it's just one thing that I've noted.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
It seems like there is some sort of a religious
element to these guys, at least some of them. Well,
actually quite a few encounters when we get down to it,
But there have been plenty of atheists who have seen
these things too, So I'm not really sure what to
make of that. There's so many things to this old
dogmenon that it's just really hard to know what to

(31:03):
think about it. But that's just how it is. Do
you think that the same dog man has been present
and involved every time you've had all these encounters, or
do you think we're talking about different ones.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
I would have to say that I think it would
be different ones, just for this whole reason of you know,
the one when I was eleven that was in Mississippi
and the other one would have been in Missouri.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Well, I can appreciate you feeling that way because of
that fact, but I mean, there are people who have
been on vacation thousands of miles away from their homes.
They have a dog me in the counter. It shakes
them up, so they decide to fly home the next day,
and that next morning, that next afternoon they go out
back behind their house and have an encounter with the
exact same dog man. So yeah, you never really know.

(32:03):
It's entirely possible. And that's just another thing it's so
hard to wrap your mind around. I mean, there's so
many credible eyewitnesses who report things that point sallely towards
these things being either demonic entities or some type of
evil entities. But then again, there are other credible eyewitnesses,
quite a few of them who report seeing these things

(32:24):
do that point sallely towards them being nothing more special
than flesh and blood creatures that just try to make
a living out there in the woods. So maybe it's
a case where some dog men are flesh and blood
just normal creatures, and others or supernatural beings from the ether.
Maybe some are made in a test tube. But yeah,

(32:47):
it's really hard to know. It's hard to know what
to think about that.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Well, I have my own theory on that. Actually if
you're aware of the fae. I have a theory that
kind of ties in with the missing four four one
one cases. But uh, what's it called? Tirnanogue also known

(33:19):
as the other World or commonly referred to as the
Fay Wild. There is a bit of lore regarding that
area where it is said if a human ends up
in that area, they can, if they cannot control their emotions,

(33:43):
can be turned into beasts. And with so many people
disappearing and no traces and under strange circumstances, I mean, yeah,
it kind of does sound like that could be, you know,

(34:05):
some people falling into say a portal or something. Maybe
they're not all formerly human, but I think that's a possibility.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, it's really hard to know what to think, and
there's so many things about this where we're never going
to know, so all we can do is guess when
it comes to things like that. But yeah, like I said,
there are tons and tons of very credible eyewitnesses or
reports seeing them step out of portals and they witness
other things that point soundly towards them having abilities that

(34:49):
are well above and beyond what just a normal animal
would be able to do or have. So yeah, it's
something else. Have you ever played with the Ouiji board Phoenix?

Speaker 1 (35:06):
I'd probably say yes, I think, or at least was
there when it was played with.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
So you never had your hands on the board or
held hands with the people using it. No, okay, that's good.
Hate the idea that you're actually there. It might have
taken something home with you, but wow, yes's There's definitely
seems to be a connection between Oigi boards and a
lot of eyewitnesses because a lot of eyewitnesses have played

(35:42):
with them. So it does make you wonder. Do you
think the reason why that helicopter flew of your property
acting strangely the way it did was due to you
contacting the conservation officer and having them come out, or
do you think it's due to some other reason?

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Well being the Like I said, I don't recall any
escaped convicts being in the area, and this being almost
immediately after that gentlemen came out to assess things for us.

(36:19):
I would have to say that they were looking for something.
That would be I wouldn't know, but someone was looking
for something most assuredly.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Well, I'd say they were. Yeah, that's a given given
their behavior, So yeah, they probably are connected. Were you
raised to believe that cryptids didn't exist or were your
parents open minded about them being around? And it's a
two part question. Did they ever talk about things like.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
That with you? You know, not really No, it's it's not
something that we really believed in. I think we we
entertained the idea at times, but when all was said

(37:19):
and done, they were simply like, you know, well, if
these things existed, then more people would have h for example,
pictures or video. And I mean phone camera's not going

(37:41):
to do that good. Not all of us run around
with three thousand dollars cameras.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
So yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
As So yeah no. And and the thing is is,
uh my, my mom even has a couple of friends
who have said that they have seen several dog men.
They went on ah, some sort of camping trip, I

(38:12):
think is the story that I remember, and they were
across the It was pretty wide creek from what I
heard described, but they said that a couple of them
stood on their hind legs and looked at them and

(38:35):
they felt like they were menacing. And I don't remember
these friends names, but I wish I could get a
hold of them.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Well, you'll have that sometimes.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yeah, but she she doesn't necessarily believe in those things
because we would have confirmed that they exist by now.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Well, there are a lot of things that are out
there that we don't know about that aren't officially considered
to be extant. So that's a pretty flawed way of thinking.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
That's true. And I've tried to tell her that, but ah,
she wouldn't budge.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah. Well, some people have opinions that definitely aren't based
in fact. I say, she's definitely one of them. For me,
there's something about your second encounter that's got this extra
creep factor to it. One of the big biggest factors
in children feeling secure is or believe that their parents

(39:47):
can protect them from just about anything. Did that experience
blow any sense of security that you had out of
the water or was your sense of security unaffected.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
My sense of security was definitely affected, I would say, because,
like I said, I was always at home alone in
the morning because they had to get up and go
to work and drop off my siblings, so I was
totally alone. And so actually for quite a while afterward,

(40:27):
when I would wake up in the morning, I just
had this intense anxiety because of that experience, and I
knew that there was no one there to help me
because they were gone. They were at work or on
their way to work. And you know, back then cell

(40:49):
phones weren't widely in use. They had one, but a
lot of the areas that they drove through to get
to work because my stepdad was a farmer and mom
worked in a couple of towns away, and it was

(41:12):
a lot of country, back, roady areas that she would
go to u just because it was quicker from our location.
But there wasn't really any way for me to reach them,
typically because they were out in the middle of nowhere,

(41:32):
and so really the only the only person I had
in close proximity was my great grandfather and the other
neighbor who lived nearby.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Well, poor little guy. That's horrible. I'm glad your grandpa
was right there next door. But still, I mean, if
you have something that's going down, being able to contact
your parents immediately there's a lot of value to that,
and the fact that you couldn't do that that's horrible.
But then again, I'm sure they had to do what
they had to do. I'm not faulting them for that, because,

(42:11):
after all, they in their eyes. Your grandfather was right there,
but still they didn't make this any easier for you,
not by a long shot. Being an adult now, Phoenix,
after having had such a traumatic encounter talking about the
one when you were eleven home alone that night, what
advice would you like to share with any little kids

(42:31):
who had their own encounters with dog men who might
be listening to tonight's show.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Well, I would say, if anything like that were to
happen to another kid, try and get in contact with
someone who can be there relatively quickly. I wasn't able

(43:00):
to because I was afraid to go to the phone,
which was right next to a window, and I was
terrified that if I went to that phone, that whatever
that was was going to reach through that window and
snatch me out and drag me out of the house.
But I would say try and find it, especially most

(43:24):
kids these days have have a cell phone or you know,
just a means to contact someone nearby. But I would say,
try to not engage or provoke it, and try and
get someone to come help you at that house.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah, that's good advice, really good advice. It's always extra painful,
and hear about little kids having encounters with these things,
because it's bad enough when you're an adult, A well
adjusted adult is going to likely have tu will come
to terms with an experience like this. A little kid,
they don't stand a chance, but of course, you know,

(44:07):
they can try to get help and everything to deal
with it, but it just makes it that much more difficult.
It really does excuse me. Have you shared your encounters
with every important person in your life or do you
do that based on evaluating how their response is going
to be in your opinion?

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Well, I did tell my father about the incident in
Missouri where I was on the front porch, and he
wanted to say it was my ex and some friends,

(44:51):
but they were all the way in Saint Louis at
that point, and I had watched a couple of videos
on their fee of the party, so I knew they
were hours away. But he didn't seem to believe it
could have been anything but a person trying to mess

(45:12):
with me, which would be stupid. Everyone knew we were armed,
Everyone in that area was armed, so it'd be stupid
to mess with people like that. But he didn't seem
to believe it could be anything other than a person,
and that kind of irritated me actually, But the only

(45:37):
other person I've actually told I mean my cousin of course,
because he was there when I mean in the party
chat when he heard the roar over the microphone. And
then also that same friend is aware of both encounters

(45:59):
as well.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
It really is a shame that you have to value it.
Whether it's a good idea to share an experience like that,
a very traumatic experience like that, or in your case,
traumatic experience is plural with other people because you're not
sure they're going to respond to it when putting it
out there, especially with people that you love and who
are close to you. That's the best thing that you

(46:25):
could do, as long as they're going to support you
and not make fun of you. Of Course, that's why
I talk about the whole prison without walls effect, because
that's really how it is. It's like living inside one.
I'm not sure if you thought about this or not, Phoenix,
but if you have, when you hear people or see
people make comments about how they've never had an account

(46:48):
with a dog man, but they want to have one,
what goes through your mind.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
I have mixed thoughts on this because I I am
the same way, uh like I mentioned I've never actually
seen one full on. I would like to be able
to see one and not be able to deny in
my mind what it what it is, even though with
its features that that I have seen it most certainly

(47:22):
was not a bear. But at the same time, it's like, no,
you really don't want to see them because that that
the first thing that always pops up is is those
two encounters, and primarily the one when I was eleven,
because that one was where it literally tormented me, and

(47:47):
so I kind of view that as as like a
double edged sword, like, yes, that's that would be interesting,
but no, you don't want that.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
You're right, you don't want to have a dogman encounter.
There's life before and after a dog mean encounter. You
know that you've lived it. But there's so many people
out there who want to have encounters with these guys
who've never seen one that just don't realize that that's unfortunate.
If you have any questions you want me to ask Phoenix,
please go ahead and type them out in all caps

(48:20):
if you're in the live chat now, and then I'll
just go through those questions and I'll ask them some
of them, and also before I get back to the questions. Tonight,
I dropped four new episodes of my new dogman podcast.
The new podcast is called dog Me and Tales. You
can't find it on YouTube. You would need to use
your favorite way of listening to podcasts to listen. iHeartRadio,

(48:44):
Apple Music or Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, Spotify, Spreaker. You
name the podcast platform and the show's available again. It's
called dog Me and Tails and tales are spelled teas
and tom al Eu. Yes, all right, moving forward, You've
never seen a dog man, clearly, You've only seen the

(49:06):
silhouette of one that was standing in the dark that
one night, and then you saw the shadow of the
one that was on your sister's window deep down, do
you wish you could have gotten a clear view of
one or are you glad that you weren't able to
do that?

Speaker 1 (49:22):
I would say probably not the one when I was eleven,
because I was already terrified if I had seen, you know,
and you know, even seeing the shadow, I was already
a pretty big horror movie buff at that point. Anyway,

(49:44):
I knew what were wolves were. They were my favorite genre,
favorite mythical beast, and you know they still are. But
I don't think I could have handled that at that age.
When I was an adult and I had that encounter, yeah,

(50:08):
I felt an incredible anxiety and that primal fear like
I felt back back then. But I also felt a
little more secure because I had a shotgun, I had
the three inch magnum slug rounds. I felt more secure.

(50:30):
I felt if it couldn't be killed, it could at
least be repelled. So I think I would have handled
it better as an adult, yes, But as a child
now I would not have.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Yeah, well, you have so many more experiences to draw
upon to fall back on as an adult, so yeah,
that's a given there. That's one of the reasons why
it's so unfortunate that kids encounters with these guys too.
I really hate that.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
I do.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
When you had that traumatic encounter when you're eleven, Shadow
and Sasha were chained up outside, you said, Now, you
were just a kid at the time, granted, but would
you've gotten into trouble if you would have brought those
two in the house before you headed over to your
grandfather's house.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
I probably would have. Yeah, I would say I probably
would have.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Well, that really is a shame. Can you imagine the
tear they experienced that night, having that thing rooming around
the house, being chained up to a dog box. That's
just horrible, it really is. But like I said, you
were a kid. I mean, you can only do so much.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
That's true. I did want to bring them in, but
I knew Sasha was uh she was partially house trained,
but Shadow was not. He would have he would have
messed everywhere, and that's that's where I would have gotten trouble.

(52:12):
But yeah, I did definitely want to bring them in,
and I did get a bit more protective if there were,
you know, strange sounds out at night, and I would
go out because you know, I felt a little more

(52:34):
bold when when you know, everyone else was there and
I wasn't alone, so I would go out and check
on them if there was any kind of noises outside.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
I'm sure you did feel more bold. Yeah, that's natural.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
There.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Well, let's get to some of these questions here. The
first one on deck is from that's a mouthful that
you has a trade embargo on Britain. That's an interesting
name for a YouTube account.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
They want to know are there any caves nearby where
this dog man could be living.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
In? Mississippi. No, not that I was aware of. I've
been all over that property for for years, and on
my little hiking trips with my dogs, I never came

(53:39):
across any sort of cave. But in Missouri, yes, and
there was one. Actually, I think there were a couple
that were not terribly far away from the house, and

(54:00):
one of them, because we lived on a lake. One
of these caves in particular, because my ex had been
in that one basically goes under under the lake and
goes across that section of water and comes up somewhere

(54:23):
on the other side. And I'd never been in them.
But there are a couple out there.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Well, they love caves, so they're probably using them at
least sometime at some point. The next question is from
Bang Bang. She wanted to know Phoenix, did it smile
at you? But you said the one time you had
the sighting, all you saw was silhouette, So I take
it the answer.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Was no, Yeah, if it did, I didn't, I couldn't
have seen it.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Yeah, that's what I thought. Well. The next question is
from I like Ike and they want to know after
you had your experience, did you have odd or weird
events after that?

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Aside from the like I tried to describe like the
external pressure around the body, and I eventually took it
to mean that that was like a sign that they
were nearby. Other than that, not necessarily.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Interesting. The last one for you is from Beverly Jaeger,
and she wants to know, Phoenix, what were you thinking
when you felt the rumble going through your chest?

Speaker 1 (55:55):
At first, I really did think that I had like
unplugged the headset from my controller, and uh, maybe that
there had been a sound come from the TV because
we had a theater system, so it could it could
do that. But when I realized after both my friend

(56:15):
and my cousin were like, what was that, I realized
that was something outside, which was probably right behind me
at the window. And once I realized that, I immediately

(56:36):
moved away from that window. But yeah, I did legitimately
think that it was something from the TV at first.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Well that's understandable. Olkham's razor the simplest explanation, but unfortunately
that's not what it was. I wish that's all it was,
but unfortunately that wasn't the case. Got one more question
that popped up from Anne Console and Nan wants to
know were there any odors.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
No, not that I can remember. With the first one,
I didn't even come out of the house until I
heard what, you know, that sound that sounded like a gunshot,
and then everything went quiet and it appeared to be gone.

(57:35):
And it was at least ten minutes before I even
went outside at that point. And for the one in
Missouri where I was outside with it, I didn't smell anything,
nothing like what I've heard described anyway. I did kind
of get a hint of wet dog, but nothing like

(57:58):
the robbing meat that I that I frequently hear other
people talk about.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Yeah, sometimes I'll witnesses reports smelling that. Other times they don't.
Most of the time they don't, but yeah, sometimes they do. Well,
before we get out of here, Phoenix, do you have
any clothes in comments you'd like to put out.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
There for us, I would say that if you've had
any kind of experience, turn out to do what I
did and just deny it, because, yeah, while I didn't

(58:37):
technically see it full on up close, I know that
it was not something that I could logically explain away,
even though I tried two for years, and I think
eventually that will start to take a toll on you.

(58:59):
So it's good to find someone that you can talk
to about that.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Yeah, it would be so nice if you could just
explain away a dog meann encounter or as in your case,
dog me and encounters plural. But I mean, you can't
fool yourself. You know, you had those experiences, you know
something real was going on, and then you had irrefutable
proof when you saw the shadow on your sister's window
and then you actually saw that one. You saw the silhouette,

(59:28):
but you saw a dog mean nonetheless, So like I said,
you can't fool yourself. You can do things to try
to make yourself feel better, but deep down the truth
is always going to be there, so it's best just
to try to deal with it head on. But having
said that, I can't thank you enough for coming back
on and sharing those new experiences with us that you

(59:49):
shared tonight with us and answering all these questions. I
really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Well, it was a pleasure coming on and sharing that
with you all.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Well, that's great to have you. Like I said, thanks
again so much for your time, Phoenix, and have a
great night.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Thank you you do the same.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Thanks. I'll try we'll see well. That's it for another episode.
Like I said earlier, I've got a new Dogman podcast
I released call Dogman Tails. If you're having a hard
time finding a way to listen to it, if you
don't have a go to you podcast app or podcast platform.
If you go to Dogmanancounters dot com and visit the

(01:00:30):
podcast page, there's a link there for Dogman Tails that
you can click on, and it'll take you right to
the Spreaker homepage for the show. That way, it makes
it really easy to listen to it that way as
a fallback. But having said that, if you've had a
Dogman encounter that you'd like to get help with so
that I can help you come to terms with it,

(01:00:52):
or if you'd like to be a guest on the show,
please go to Dogmanancounters dot com and submit a report.
If you do that, then I'll be more than happy
to contact you and schedule a film conversation so we
can get to the bottom of what's going on with
your experience or experiences. But having said that, thanks again
so much for listening everyone. I really appreciate it.