Please! Don’t Come In! - Dogman Encounters Episode 587

Almost one year ago, to the day, tonight’s guest had an encounter that she’s, just now, coming to terms with. You see, when she had her first encounter, she saw the Dogman. It was less than 30 feet from her when she laid eyes on it. Needless to say, she didn’t waste any time getting away from it. What happened moments later, after she thought the two of them had gone their separate ways, however, was more traumatizing to her than when she had seen it at such a close distance, moments before. We hope you’ll join us for tonight’s livestream episode of the show, so you can listen to her describe what happened when she had both encounters. If you do, you’ll understand why they traumatized her the way they did.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
At a book.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so
much for joining us for another livestream episode of Dogman
Encounters Radio. Really appreciate you being here. For years upon years,

(01:50):
I've told Dogman eyewitnesses that unfortunately, these guys are masters
at pushing our buttons. They just know exactly what to do,
just the right or I should say, maybe you're the
wrong moment to really get the maximum effect out of
the encounters they forced to happen with us. It really
isn't fortunate. It's not like they're frightening enough to look at.

(02:12):
But when you add the fact that they're so good
and knowing how to frighten us on top of that,
it's no wonder that these encounters are so traumatic for
so many eyewitnesses. Well, when you listen to what happened
to tonight's guest when she had the two encounters that
she had, it's a testament to what I've been preaching
for all these years. The dog man she encountered it

(02:33):
did what it did for maximum effect. That's all there
is to that. Well, without any more delay, let's bring
her in here now. Tonight's guest is Mindy. Mindy, Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Hi, thanks so much for having me. I hope that
you can hear me well.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Loud and clear, and thanks so much for being here.
Really appreciate it. Mindy. Please give us a brief bio
on yourself.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Well, I'm originally from Georgia and I moved to Maryland
a few years ago and I live here with my
boyfriend and our two dogs.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Well, since one of your dogs plays a role and
what we're going to talk about tonight, first thing right
off the top, please tell us about her.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
The dog that was with me during the encounter is
now three years old. She was two years old at
the time. She is half American bulldog and half yellow
Labrador Retriever. She's the type of dog that you know
when you take her outside, she always wants to point
at the other animals. So you can say, look at
the bird, and she'll point with her paw at the bird,

(03:39):
or you can say look at the squirrel, and she'll
go and look for the squirrel, look at the deer,
so she loves to do that, and that also plays
a role in our encounter.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
That's an interesting combination there. Does she look more like
an American bulldog or more like a lab?

Speaker 1 (03:56):
She looks more like a lab in the face, but
she does have that chest of a bulldog, if that
makes sense.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, that does sounds like a neat dog. Lucky to
have her, you really are definitely yeah, I'll bet it
sure sounds like it. Without giving any details, Mindy, from
your encounters, please tell us about how those encounters have
seemed to affect her well.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
She has definitely. She used to be more outgoing. She
would walk up to strangers and want to be petted
and never had an enemy. But now every time we
go outside, if she hears a strange noise, she'll slip
out of her harness or slip out of her collar,
and she'll try to run to the door to get inside.

(04:44):
And when she saw this, she was shaking like a leaf.
And she was seventy three pounds at the time.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Poor thing. Yeah, it's no wonder she was shaken like
a leaf. That's how these guys affect almost all dogs
out there, even ones that are well over one hundred pounds.
They just have that effect on them. Won't that effect
on people also? And for good reason. They're awfully frightening
to be around and look at. Early in your life,
from what I understand, something happened to you that just

(05:13):
might play a role in you having these dog me
and encounters and these other pureanormal experiences that you've been
made beer. Please go into detail on that.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Well. I had some early childhood trauma at a young age.
I watched my sister get hit by a car and
become paralyzed from the neck down. And they were always
strangers in our house. Who were you know, the nurses.
She had to have twenty four hour nursing and at
a certain point in time, a team of the nurses

(05:44):
asked me if I wanted to play a game, and
they brought in a Weiji board, and so I thought
they were playing a game. I've had paranormal encounters because
of that since that time, and it's definitely not a game.
So I highly advise you to never touch one of
those things.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, that's really good advice for me. How they made
you participate and that was just even more over the top,
absolutely horrible. Please tell us more about that.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Well, they asked me. They came into my bedroom and said, hey,
do you want to play a game with us? Then
I said, okay, I think I was playing Nintendo at
the time. And so they said, all right, well, we're
going to come in and we're going to sit in
a circle, and they lit some candles and they shut
the bedroom door and they turn the lights off, and
they said, we're going to hold hands. And something you
have to know about this room is that there used

(06:37):
to be a door to the outside, and my dad
had walled that off and expanded the room and added
the bathroom, so I had my own bathroom and that
door is no longer there, but it would have been
right next to my bed. And so we're sitting in
a circle, we're holding hands, and one of the nurses says,
if there's anyone here with us, then move our hands.

(07:00):
And her hands started to move up and down, and
I kind of opened one eye and looked at one
of the nurses and I said, you're doing that, and
she said, no, I'm not. And then I looked at
the other nurse and I said, then you're doing that
and she said no, I'm not. And if you you know,
think that we're lying. Then you ask a question, and
I said, okay, And I looked at my bedroom door
and I said, if something's here with us, then knock

(07:22):
on the bedroom door. And there was a knock at
the door. But there was a knock at the door
from the garage, and it was just a continuous knocking.
It started off really softly, and then it knocked louder
and louder and louder and louder until it was literally
shaking the side of the house and it woke my
parents up from upstairs.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Wow, that is really freaky. It really is. Holy cow. Yes,
an experience like that that makes it awfully hard to
have a well adjusted life. But you have. After all
these things you've experienced, you're still very well adjusted, which
that's awfully impressive.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
I just do the best I can, so oh all
you can do.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
You're definitely doing it. You definitely are. I'm not sure
if you realize this, not mindy, but tonight is just
about a year, exactly a year to the day almost
from when you had that group of dog mean encounters,
because your encounter has happened on the twenty second of
June last year.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
You said, yes, June twenty second, twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Did you realize that I did?

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Okay, I figured out stry to make me a little nervous.
So do you realize this? It's coming up on a year.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Don't be nervous. Yeah, that doesn't make it any more
likely to That're sure you can have another encounter, so
you should be just fine. You should now that we're
about a year into the future from those experiences. Have
you been dealing with all those things that come along
with having two encounters?

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Well, like I said, I just do the best I can.
I don't like taking my dogs out at night by myself.
I prefer having my boyfriend with me, so there's two
of us. I just feel like we're less likely to
see something if there's more than one person outside. I
live in a really quiet community. My apartment building is

(09:19):
really quiet, so people aren't really up late that I've noticed,
at least not in my building in the building surrounding me.
So I'm just trying to deal with it the best
way that I can, which is just to pretty much
avoid being outside at night by myself.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Does your boyfriend know about those encounters?

Speaker 1 (09:40):
He does. I told him immediately because he was working
late at night when this happened. At the time, he
was working at a bar and the bar was open
until like two thirty at three o'clock in the morning,
and so this happened around one thirty in the morning,
and I messaged him to be really careful when he
comes home because we saw something in the grassy area

(10:03):
and it was big.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
How did he take that? Did he take that well?

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Or he did He said he would be careful, and
he believes me. He believes in cryptids. I was a skeptic.
I never believed in cryptids. I believed in ghost because
of the encounters that I'd had as a child, but
I never believed in any cryptids until I was face

(10:29):
to face with this one.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
And now, you know, unfortunately, y unfortunately yeah, yeah, I'd say,
all right, mindy, please tell us about your encounters. Now
give us every last detail that comes to mind.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Okay, Well, we have to start with the fact that
I was playing video games with my friends, and that'll
come into play later. I was playing Fortnite, which is
a very popular game, and the character that I was
playing ass is a white wolf character named Bulpees. So
I'm sure you can look it up and see what
it looks like. It looks like the white wolf. My
older dog came and notified me that she had to

(11:04):
go potty. So I told my friends, hey, I'm going
to sit out for a little bit. I've got to
take my dog's potty. I'll be back. So I took
my older dog out no issues, came back in, grabbed
my younger dog to take her out, and across the
street from me, like I said, is this field. The
field is owned by the power company, so it's about

(11:26):
a football field in length I would estimate. But my
apartment community at the time, they didn't do any maintenance
on the field. They didn't mow the grass or anything
like that. They just let it grow because it wasn't
wasn't their problem. It belonged to the power company, and
the grass had grown to about four and a half
to five feet tall. But typically there's beer over there

(11:47):
all the time, anywhere from you know, five to sixty
beer at one time you would see over there. They
just loved it. So we were outside and I was
letting my dog do you were busy. I heard what
I thought was a stick breaking, and I thought, oh,
there's going to be a deer approaching us. So I
turned around and I said, Diana, look at the deer.

(12:10):
And I just stopped mid sentence because what I was
looking at was not a deer. I was looking at
seven and a half to eight foot tall. What in
my brain I could only describe as a werewolf, which
sounds insane because I didn't believe in them. But my

(12:30):
brain literally went, that is a werewolf. Werewolves don't exist.
We're going to die. And I didn't know what to do.
When I first saw it, it had its head to
the side and it was sniffing the air, and then
it turned its head slowly and it looked at me.
It looked down at my dog and then back up

(12:52):
at me, and so to describe it, it was very muscular.
I could see one of its arms completely. Eggs were
in the grass. I couldn't see its feet from what
I could tell, they were more on the canine side.
It had a tail that was twitching, its ears removing
independently of each other. It had a long nose. Like

(13:15):
I said, I could see it sniffing the air, so
I could see its big ears with kind of like
German shepherd ears. It had five fingers for lack of
a better term on each hand, and the pawpad was
similar to like a raccoon's popad. It was black and

(13:38):
it had three inch curved black nails on each claw.
And I just thought we were toast. I didn't know
what to do. I started panicking. Time started to slow
down like it does when you're in a life and
desk situation, and I just knew this is a predator.

(14:00):
If we run, we're going to die, so for sure,
no question. So I thought, what would you do if
there was a bear or a mountain lion? So I
puffed up my chest, and I moved my dog from
my left hand to from my right hand to my
left hand because I'm right handed, and I planted my

(14:22):
feet and I stared at it directly in the eyes,
because I thought, if this thing charges me, I'm not
going down without a fight. I'm at least going to
try to save my dog. And I just waited on
it to attack, and I stared it down. I gave
it the meanest look I possibly could, and then I
started slowly walking backwards. And as I started walking backwards,

(14:49):
it made this really weird motion where it kind of
shifted its hips to the left and then to the right,
and it was halfway in the grass, and then it
shifted tips to the left and then to the right again,
and then I couldn't see it at all, so I
didn't know if it was going to pounce on us.
I didn't know if it was going to walk away.

(15:10):
I couldn't see it. So I continued to walk us backwards,
and I just kept my eyes trained on that spot.
And then I got us into the house. I immediately
dead bolted the door. I took my dog's leash off,
I hung it up. Like I said, she was shaking
like a leaf. I was having to pull her backwards
when I was walking backwards. She didn't bark, she didn't
make a noise. She was just shaking. And as soon

(15:33):
as I dead bolted the door, I kind of put
my back against the door and took a deep breath,
and then I looked at my hand, and I was shaking,
and I took two to three steps away from the door,
and something jiggled the door handle. And I don't know
if it was just bad timing or if this thing
scented us and followed us, but I am leaning towards

(15:56):
it scented us and followed us and tried to get
into my apartment. And my dogs, which are very reactive
if someone walks by outside, they're barking. They were very quiet,
and they just looked at the door and then at me,
and back at the door, and I just took a
queue from them and stayed as silent as possible, and

(16:18):
I tried to slow my breathing as much as possible,
and I just tried to wait it out. And then
when my dogs started to move around and act more normal,
then I walked all the way into the living room
and there was a close up of my character on
the screen on the TV screen, and I just I
didn't say bye to my friends. I just disconnected the

(16:40):
xbox and turned it off, and I messaged my boyfriend
and I said, I don't know what me and Diana
just saw, but there's something big in the grass in
the field, and you need to be very careful on
the way home. Do not run walking into the house,
but you need to be very careful. And that was

(17:01):
that was our n Conner.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
You poor thing. That's awfully traumatic. I'm wondering, though, well,
I'm sure it was. It's kind of hard to answer
this question, but how hard do you think this would
have been to deal with if it wouldn't have come
and jiggled your doorknob the way it did.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
I mean, it definitely still would have been traumatic, but
that was like the icing on the cake. That was
just another level of it knows where I live, Like
it followed me home, It knows where I live. And
then I I am just wondering what would have happened
had I not dead Both to the door. I know
that it clearly was strong enough it could have just

(17:43):
ripped the door off, but I was afraid to look
out the peopole to see if it was a person
or not, because what if it was staring back at
me through the peopole, And would that have given it
incentive to tear the door off and come inside? And
then what would have happened?

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, well, it didn't do anything it didn't want to do,
and it did everything it did want to do. Like
I told you when we had that first conversation, the
biggest enemy when you have a dogman encounter, In almost
every case. It's not always this way, because sometimes dog
mean encounters do go bad, but in almost every case,
the biggest enemy when it comes to having a dogman

(18:23):
encounter is what your own imagination can come up with.
What it can come up with it your imagination makes
you believe the dog man wanted to do or might
still do in the future. But like I told you,
it did everything it wanted to do, and it didn't
do anything it didn't want to do. That's the good
news of it.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Now.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
I hate the fact that it came back and or
it came over and jiggled at your door knob, but yeah,
these guys do that sort of thing all the time,
but that's just to get her more of a rise
out of you. I hate the fact that they love
to push her buttons away. They do, but that's clearly
why it did that, Like we talked about in that
first conversation, like you just acknowledged, if I wanted to

(19:06):
snatch that door out of your wall, it could have
done that, But it didn't do that because that's not
what it was out to do. It just wanted to
get a rise out of you. Like I said, now
to highlight how these things just love to push our buttons.
Perfect example. I'm not sure how many years it's been
since this happened, but there was a gentleman and his

(19:27):
wife who are sitting watching They're having a TV night
movie night, just sitting on their couch watching this movie.
I think it was a Saturday night or something like that,
and they had a bowl of popcorn and everything was
just great. Well, one of them heard, maybe both of
them heard this noise at this door that was on

(19:49):
the side of their house. So the husband, he got
up and walked over to investigate. Well, he grabbed the doorknob,
unlocked the door, grabbed the doorknob and twisted it. He
started to open the door to take a look out. Well,
guess what was standing right there on the outside of
that door with its hand on the outside door knob. Yeah,

(20:11):
a dog man. And when he saw it and it
made eye contact with him, he went he threw his
shoulder against the door to close it. Well, it stopped
him from closing it. I don't know how it did
that with his hands or whatever, but it stopped the
door from closing, and they basically had a push of war. Now,

(20:33):
you're never gonna be able to outpush a dog man.
You're never gonna be able to come close to it.
But I mean, imagine the trauma that he was going through.
His wife was going through. She could glance and look
out the crack of that door and see what was
on the other side, acting like it wanted to get
in again. If I wanted to get in, it could
have it could have just thrown that door open, even

(20:55):
if feels pushing on it or not. But they went
back and forth, back and forth. And I can't remember
how that ended, if it just gave up and went
away or what. But because that's been over ten years
since found out about that, But I mean, that's just
a perfect example how these guys will just go way
out of their way to push our buttons and get

(21:16):
a response out of us. It's horrible. It's horrible they
do that, but that's their mo And if you're an eyewitness,
it's vitally important you understand that it really is.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Well, it definitely was intimidating. It didn't snarl, it never
growled at me. I never saw its teeth, So I
wanted to highlight that it didn't seem like a bloodthirsty
animal to me. It just seemed like I stumbled across
the wild anal and I have no doubt that it
was an animal that I was looking at and I

(21:50):
could see the wheels ticking. I could see it trying
to figure out what it wanted to do in its brain,
because I can ask my dog, do you want to snack?
And sometimes you'll think about it. And that was the
same look that was on this creature's face, Like it
was look it was thinking, you could tell, like it
was pondering what to do with us.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Well, sure, it was just evaluating its options to push
your buttons, and unfortunately it decided its best option was
to cross the street and come up and jiggle your doorknob.
But that doesn't surprise me, and not in the least.
Talking about jiggling your doorknob. It's one thing to have
an encounter when you're away from home, indeed, but yeah,

(22:34):
your encounters when you were at home, Do them happening
there at your home make it easier or harder for
you to come to terms with them?

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Oh much harder. Because if this was some place that
I was visiting and I saw this, I would just
never go back to that place and I would be fine.
But I live here and I just signed my lease again,
so I have to be here for you know, more
than a year now and through next year and It's

(23:03):
always on my mind. Is this thing territorial? Is this
part of its territory? Was it just randomly passing through?
Am I going to see it again? I don't want
to see it again? Are there more? Do they hunt
in packs? Do they hunt by themselves? Like? Were there
more out there that I just didn't see? So that's
on my mind all the time, and that again affects

(23:25):
me from leaving my house at night because I'm always
afraid I'm going to see another one. I will say,
I do think my apartment or someone at my apartment
complex also saw this thing, though no one has approached
me and told me that they did. But two days
after I had this encounter, every single unit had massive

(23:49):
floodlights installed. They started paying the yard people to cut
a few feet into the field and that has been continuous,
and they also spend a couple of thousand dollar to
build a fence around the dumpsters. There's a couple of
dumpsters that are that butt up to that field line,

(24:09):
and so the apartment complex has taken some preventative measures
that I definitely didn't tell them what I saw because
I didn't want to be seen as a crazy person.
But I think somebody definitely saw something and took some action.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
It sure sounds like they did. Yeah, someone who works
for the building must have Those are pretty extreme measures.
Dogs obviously have to go out at night too, not
just during the daytime. I'm wondering, how did he handle that?
How did you handle taking her out at night time?
That couldn't have been easy at all for either one
of you.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
No, it hasn't been. It's easier for him because he
didn't physically see what I saw, so he might have
a picture in his mind of what that was. That
he didn't see it face to face and I did,
so there's a distinction there. He doesn't have a lot
of qualms about going outside. He doesn't think this thing

(25:06):
will be back. But he also has a different job
now where he has hours that are earlier, so it's
not a problem taking the dogs out because you know,
we can just take him out when he gets home
from work.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Well, he didn't have any problems going out after the fact,
But your poor dog had to be so difficult for.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
She does quite often wiggle out of her harness, wiggle
out of her collar if she hears the noise and
she's not expecting it. She just her reaction is just
a bolt to the door, and she will try to
jump on the door to try to get in into
the apartment. So she knows where she belongs, so that's

(25:50):
a good thing. She's not going to run into the street.
She will just run straight back to the apartment. But yeah,
anytime there's some noise she's not expecting, or if she's
not paying attention and a person walks up, now she
just runs. And she used to be the most social
dog where you could just walk up to her and
she would walk up to you and waggertail. And she

(26:11):
doesn't do that anymore. She's just more fearful, poor thing.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
I can understand why she is, but I sure hope
she moves past this and then time she's able to
go back to being her happy, go lucky self and
she can just live unencumbered. But of course time will
tell if that's ever going to happen or not. But
I can keep my fingers crossed on that, thank you.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
I mean, I also hope that eventually she snaps out
of this, but I don't know. She might be a
little scarred, and I don't blame her, because I'm probably
a little scarred. By this experience myself.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
So oh, that's only natural. I didn't cheer this with you, mindy.
But one of the things that struck me when we
had that first conversation, no, I'm sorry the second conversation
was I got the impression that you felt like there
is something strange about how you How should I put this, Gosh,
so it's not confusing, I guess the most concise way

(27:10):
I can put it is when we had our second conversation,
it struck me that it seemed like to me like
you thought that how you responded to all this was strange,
that this or that was kind of strange, how you
were affected by having all these experiences. But I just
want to make sure you understand now that nothing you've

(27:33):
told me about how you've responded to this is unusual.
I mean, it's textbook. I've spoken with thousands upon thousands
of dog me and eye witnesses, and I mean you
just come to expect certain things and everything that you've
told me about how you responded, how this affected you.
I did this, I did that, everything. It just it's

(27:54):
just exactly what I would expect to hear. So I
just want to make sure that I squash any idea
that you have that any thing to do with your
response to anything to do with your encounters is unusual,
because none of this has been unusual.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Well, the thing that I probably did that was wrong
that I see in hindsight is I should not have
stared at it in its eyes, but I did. But
I was trying to intimidate it back, I guess, so
that it wouldn't attack us, or maybe it wouldn't attack us,
or maybe it would be like, oh, this one's not scared,

(28:29):
so and walk away. But you know, when dealing with
any wild animal, you definitely should not look at it
directly in its eyes because that could be seen as
a challenge. But that's not what I was trying to do.
But in hindsight, I see that was an error on
my part.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Well, like I told, yeah, you're put in a very
difficult situation. You dealt with that situation, or both of
those situations the best you knew. How I think you
deserve a lot of credit for how you held it together. Now,
on your end, I'm sure you probably don't see it
as you holding it together, but you really did. I mean,
most people would have totally fallen apart especially when the

(29:10):
doorknob jiggled, but you held it together and you really
should be commended for that.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Thank you. I just didn't know what to do. I mean,
I couldn't call the police and say, hey, there's a
werewolf outside, you know, because then they would haul me
off to the psychiatric unit, you know. So there was
nothing I really could do other than, you know, tell
people who I knew would believe me what happened. Has

(29:38):
it affected me, yes, I'm afraid to go outside at night,
I have bad dreams. I have been really anxious leading
up to this one year anniversary of seeing this thing,
and I told you this as well. I recently found
the date because I wasn't exactly sure when it was.
I had to go back through my messages to my

(29:59):
boyfriend and to find the date. And I found the
date and then just had a curiosity because in my
mind I had no idea what a dog man was.
What I had seen in my mind was a were wolf.
So I put in the date June twenty second, twenty
twenty four, and the moon phase and it was a
full moon. And then that scared me even more because

(30:20):
I was like, oh my gosh, it is a were wolf,
and then later on I learned it was a dog
man and that they're seen all the time, But at
that moment, it was really frightening, like, oh, the legends
are real, you know?

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Is it better knowing that it was most likely a
dog man and not a were wolf. I've been public
about my opinion that I don't believe were wolves are
a reality. I don't think it's possible for a person
to somehow magically transform from the form of a human
to that of a beast like a werewolf. I just
don't believe it. But I'll still be the first person
to tell you I don't know everything. I'm not going

(30:57):
to say it's impossible. Anything's impossible in this crazy world.
But if there were were wolves with the ability to change,
to transform from a person to that of a beast
like that, then of course dog men. Are you glad
that it wasn't a were wolfer? Would have been better
if it would have been a were wolf in your opinion?

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Well, in my opinion, the name were wolf is just semantics.
So the best way I can describe it is if
you're showing a child a picture book and you say
this is a horse and there's a picture of a horse.
This is a cow. There's a picture of a cow.
This is a dog. There's a picture of a dog.
My brain immediately went, this is a were wolf. Do

(31:39):
I think people transform into wolves? Absolutely not. But I
do think this creature is real because I've seen it
with my own eyes, and I just I wouldn't I
wouldn't have thought of the name dog man by myself
because it doesn't look like a dog. It looks more
like a wolf in the face, soh to me, that's

(32:02):
just sem antics on were wolf versus dog man. I
do personally prefer the term werewolf, not for the transformative aspect,
because I don't believe in that, but just because that's
what it stereotypically looks like to me.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah, all we can do is just guess when it
comes to a lot of these things about what it
was that you saw that night. I mean, it's entirely
possible it was a were wolf. But like students are
told when they're pre med learning to become doctors, if
you hear a clicking of hoofs on the floor behind you,
on the tile behind you, think horse, not zebra. And

(32:40):
there's a lot of wisdom to that, saying, because is
it possible that it's a zebra behind you? Yeah, it
is possible, But the most likely explanation is it's a horse.
So that's why they're taught that, and that's why I'm
saying that most likely it was a dog man and
not a werewolf. But again, in this crazy world, what

(33:00):
is impossible? I can't tell you what is. I definitely right.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
I mean, now that I've learned a little more about
what dog men are, I mean, it definitely fits the
description of a dog man. But just in that moment
when I didn't know how else to phrase it, that's
what it looked like. It looked like a werewolf and
I had no other term. I didn't know the term
dog man at that point. But it definitely was a

(33:27):
dog man.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, I'd say it was now as crazy as it
might see Mandy. Some my witnesses who have had some
over the top traumatic encounters with dog men, they've told
me they'd give almost anything to have another encounter now
under controlled circumstances, of course, but they feel like that
would help them if they could have another encounter and

(33:51):
see another dog man some day in situations where they're
not at risk for being harmed. But as as far
as where you're coming from, would you fit into that
category where you would like to have another encounter if
the dog man was at a distance and you're not
at home, or would you just never want to ever

(34:12):
have an experience like that again.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
I don't ever want to see that again in my life.
It was terrifying. I don't understand why. People, it's just
my opinion, no offense to anyone who may be listening
who wants to see them again. I never want to
see that again in my life. And again, the one
that I saw, it wasn't snarling at me, it wasn't

(34:35):
growling at me. It was massive, and it easily could
have ripped me to shreds with one swipe of its claws.
And I just never want to be around that again.
I never want to see that again.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Well, that's understandable. Something I never did ask you about
that I'm wondering is, obviously you're strongly affected by those
experiences at night just about a year ago. How much
was your personal life affected by all this? Did you
have trouble at work? Was there other fallout as a
result of those experiences?

Speaker 1 (35:10):
I kept it pretty well compartmentalized, so it didn't affect
my work or anything like that. The worst issues were
just sleep disturbances, but I have those anyway because I
have a complex post traumatic stress disorder with anxiety anyway,
So it didn't really affect my work at all. It

(35:31):
didn't affect my home life at all other than me
being afraid. But my boyfriend's been really great about calming
me down and telling me I'm safe and making sure
that I feel safe when I'm at home.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Well, he sounds like a good man. I'm so glad
you have.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Thank you. He's a really great guy.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Me sure sounds like it. Now. Just for clarity, when
you say that you've been suffering from sleep disturbances, does
that mean nightmares or nightmares and something else.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Well, I get nightcarrors occasionally anyway, because of my PTSD
and what I've seen and what I've been through. But
right after this, I was having trouble falling asleep. I
was constantly worried about what was outside. So for a
few weeks after this incident, I just had difficulty falling asleep.
I felt safer sleeping in the daytime versus at night,

(36:29):
so sometimes I might stay up all night and then
go to work and then take a nap, and then
be up all night and then go to work and
then take a nap.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Ye After having experiences like the ones that you had
and other eyewitnesses have had, it's just not fear that
you have to go to work the next day. In
a lot of cases and deal with so many things
that it would be so nice if you didn't have
to deal with those for quite some time. But yeah,
life does go on. It's not easy, it really isn't

(37:00):
We have those night tears? Mindy, Are they repeating night
tears the same thing night after night or do they differ?

Speaker 1 (37:08):
They vary A lot of the times. I can't remember
the actual terror, but my boyfriend might wake me up
and say, hey, you were mumbling in your sleep, or
you are like screaming in your sleep, and he'll wake
me up, and I wouldn't know. When I wake up,
I don't remember the ones that I do recall. I'll

(37:28):
just reach for him and as long as he like
takes my hand or something, I can calm back down
and go back to sleep. But when the morning comes,
I don't recall those dreams, but I recall the feelings
I felt that the fear and the anxiety from them.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Wow, it was just horrible. You have to deal with that.
How long has it been since you had a night tear?

Speaker 1 (37:54):
The most recent one was about a month ago. My
boyfriend woke me up and said that I was screaming
in my sleep when he woke me up.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Wow, that's intense. Have you ever thought about looking up
lucid dreaming?

Speaker 1 (38:11):
You know, I have looked at that, but I'm not
really sure if that would help me or not. I
would have to do some more investigation into that to
see if that would be something that would work for me. Well,
something I definitely don't want to make anything worse. Sorry
not to put you off, I just just don't want
to make anything worse by delving into that. Either.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Well, highly doubt it would make anything worse. Understand that
a lot of eyewitnesses I've recommended that they try to
learn how to lucid dream That's paid huge dividends if
they've had a lot of trouble with nightmares or night tears.
So I'd recommend that you do look into it. And
it's a pretty common thing when I recommend that to

(38:54):
an eyewitness that they tell me why I don't know
where to start. Where can I learn how to lucid dream? Well, understand,
there are a bunch of groups on Facebook, for example,
that focus on the topic, where it'd be a piece
of cake to find someone in those groups that could
show you the ropes or at least send you all
the resources information resources that is that you would need
to learn how to do it. But if you do

(39:16):
learn how to lucid dream, like I said, it does
normally pay huge dividends. So just something to think about now.
Because of this ongoing trouble that you've had with night
tears and sleep interruptions, have you ever considered professional help.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
I have, in the past received therapy. I've graduated from
therapy for my post traumatic stress disorder, so I'm not
on medications or anything like that. I pretty well manage
it on my own. But with anything else, so you
have a chronic issue, you know, sometimes you get flare ups,
sometimes things happen, and that's what these nightcers are. They're

(39:57):
just flare ups of my condition and just these memories
and feelings coming back that my brain doesn't know what
to do with, and so they manifest in these really
scary dreams that I have. The good thing is I
don't remember them most of the time.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Well I'm glad you don't remember them. But even if
you don't remember those night tears, and a lot of cases,
the effects from those night tears still do linger and
affect your waking hours. So it's still horribly you have
to deal with all that. It really is, thank you.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
I mean, I've been dealing with it for a while,
since way before the dog man encounter, So it's just
something that I have adapted to and learned to live with.
And yeah, it can be hard when you have a
sleepless night, but you can get through it. There's been
a lot of things in my life that I've had
to push through and you can get through it.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Well. I just wish you didn't have to deal with
that period. It's not like life is not hard enough.
Just hate that fact you do have to deal with
that at all. Is there anything about your encounters that
if you could go back and have them again you
wish you could do differently outside of the fact that
now you know better than to make eye contact with

(41:12):
this dog man, But is there anything else?

Speaker 1 (41:16):
I think, honestly, that's the only thing that I would
do different differently is just not stare at it directly
in the eyes, because again, I don't want to seem
like I'm challenging this wild animal to you know, approach me.
I don't want to do that. I wanted it to
go away. I wanted, you know, to try anything to
get us to live. I thought that we were going

(41:36):
to die. I immediately thought, it's just these across the
street and we're dead. So I just wanted it to
go away. And that's the only thing that I would
change is just not having any eye contact with it.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yeah, well, if you only have one thing you wish
you could go back and change, that's a really good thing.
That's a lot better than a lot of eyewitnesses and say,
so that's good. That really well.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
It definitely opened my eyes because, like I said, I
was a non believer in any of the cryptids. I
didn't believe in you know, the snaly Gaster or the
Bigfoot or anything like that. I didn't believe in any
of them. And now with this dog man that was
directly in front of my face, I cannot deny that

(42:23):
dog meen't exist. So what else might actually exist that
I just haven't seen before.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Yeah, maybe it's better that you don't know, because if
we knew about everything that was out there. Yeah, if
we knew about everything that was out there, we might
not ever step foot outside of our doors ever. Again.
You never know.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
That's very true.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
And like you said, it didn't hurt me. It didn't
I said earlier, didn't growl at me, It didn't make
any noise towards me, sniffed the air, turned to look
at me and stared at me, and then it crouched
down into the grass. So it didn't make any aggressive
motions to me outwardly, And.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Thank goodness for that. You don't need to have to
deal with that, making it even more difficult to come
to terms with. Before I move, I'm sorry to interrupt
you there. Oh sorry, Oh no, you're fine, You are fine.
Before I move on with my questions for you, I
just want to let everybody in the live chat know

(43:30):
that if you have any questions that you want me
to ask Mindy here tonight, please post your questions and
all caps that way I won't miss them. And after
making that announcement, why there are going to be several
people leaving questions without capitalizing them that I'm going to miss,
but as always, I just do the best I cannot

(43:51):
to miss them.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Yeah, I'll be happy to answer any questions that anybody
you know may have to the best of my ability.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Yeah. I think when it comes to eyewitnesses come to
terms with their experience, coming to terms with their experiences
seeing this interaction with other people, people in the live chat,
for example, reading the comments that are left in response
to their shows on YouTube. That is just such a
huge help when you're doing all these things to interact

(44:25):
with a guest, with an eyewitness, when it wils down
to it, there's so much more than a guest. If
they come on the show. Most people will never understand
the impact they have on that eyewitness how much they
actually help that eyewitness. But I mean, it helps more
than you're ever going to know, and I can't thank
you enough for that. Wow, the question is already coming in.

(44:46):
I guess I might as well dive into some of them.
The first one is from Glenn Kamada, and Glenn wants
to know did the dog men smile at you?

Speaker 1 (44:55):
No, it didn't. It just turned its head and looked
at me. It looked down at my dog and then
back up at me, and it didn't have like a
readable expression on its face. It was just like a
wolf looking at you with its mouth closed. It never
saw its teeth.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Yeah, thank goodness it didn't smile at you, because I
guess just outside of having a dog man go from
all fourst to standing up on two legs, having a
dog man smile at an eyewitness, that's one of the
most intense things that affects eye witnesses the most in
most cases as far as things generally happen when people
have encounters with dog men. So yeah, thank goodness for that.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
That might have sent me over the edge. I was
already terrified. That might have sent me over the edge.
That might have killed me on the spot if it
growled at me or shown its teeth.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
So yeah, well, it sends a lot of eyewitnesses over
the edge. So I've got another question from Ian Ian
wants to know you mentioned never wanting to see one again.
What about an authentic, high quality video of one? What
if one was taxidermied? Thank you for sharing, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Ian, Yes, that would be fine with me if I
saw one that was taxidermaid, or if I saw one
that somebody had a video clip of that wouldn't affect
me so much. I just personally don't want to be
face to face with one. I don't care if it's
one hundred yards away from me. I don't want to
see that with my own two eyes. Again, like face

(46:29):
to face.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yeah, it's totally understandable too. I don't blame you. It
looks like Andre's Carizalez wants to know when the floodlights
come on at night, how much of the areas lit up?

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Hi andres. So these are super bright floodlights. Think about
those flashlights that are led. These are LED floodlamps, and
so they illuminate the whole front of the you know,
the area where my dog uses the bathroom, and they
also have a flood light, and I forgot to mention
that earlier, so thank you for asking. They also did

(47:04):
install a floodlight facing the dumpster. So not only is
the area you know where the dog uses a bathroom
lit up, but also the dumpster is lit up at
night as well, so it's really bright at night. They
come on at about eight pm.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Thank goodness they did that. That's got to be a
huge help for you. Having the whole area lit so well, Yes.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
If they stay away from the light, which I'm not
sure that is the deterrent for them.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
If it is, they don't always. Yeah, I've heard it
put out there quite a few times that if you
never want to have a dog man come around your property,
then put up bright lights and put up cameras well.
Sometimes that works, but there are plenty of cases where
dogmen have been reported seeing standing directly underneath flood lights
bright floodlights too, So that just hammers home the fact

(47:57):
that these guys go where they want to go and
they what they want to do.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Unfortunately, I think's grateful that the Sorry, I didn't mean
to cut you off there. I'm grateful that the apartment
has paid the yard people to mow a few feet
into the field. That has been most helpful for my
anxiety because I can see that it's not overgrown and
I can see what's in the grass.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
I'm sure that is helpful. Yeah, the more you can
see at night, that's got to be comforting. I'm just
going to go ahead and ask my question now before
i move on to the next question that the person
in the listener in the live chat wanted me to ask.
You have you ever thought over this year time since
those experiences happened. Have you ever thought about going into
the office and just in a roundabout way, trying to

(48:44):
fish for info on why they decided to put up
all those bright lights and make all those changes they
mow across the road and everything else they've done.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Well, I mean, I thought about it, but I don't
want to bring attention to it. I you know, I
don't want I'm still afraid that people might think I'm
crazy for sharing my story, so I don't want to
draw any more attention to myself. Whoever saw this encounter,
It could have been someone on the third floor. I
live on the first floor. It could have been someone

(49:16):
on the third floor looking out and seeing this happen,
seeing me back away and seeing this creature that reported
it to the office. So no one has approached me.
I feel like it would have been better for me
if someone had come up to me and they're like, hey,
I saw what you saw the other day. But I
didn't go fishing, and I don't think it would be

(49:37):
helpful for me or beneficial to go fishing with the
apartment complex. But those changes happened two days after I
saw what I saw.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Well, your concerns are definitely warranted and understandable. But you
could fish for answers in a way that wouldn't put
you out there, It wouldn't leave you vulnerable to blow
back like that. For example, you could always just ask, well,
why did you decide to put up all these bright
lights and start having the contractor move across the road
when you never used to do that? And maybe someone

(50:10):
would answer. I doubt that they would, but it couldn't hurt.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Well, that's the other thing, you know. You know, they
might not tell me the truth about why they installed
the floodlights, and then that doesn't give me any more
answers either, because they might equally be afraid of being
seen as a crazy person.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
You know, well, sure, and you know that's a given there.
But sometimes what people don't say says more than what
they do. For example, if you went in and ask,
and again, there's no pressure for you to do this,
you're the one who has to ultimately make that decision.
But if you really did want to know, if you
went in and you pop that question, why did you

(50:50):
make these changes with all the lights and all these
other things, If they start giving you the stink eye
in a certain way. Then, I mean that's pretty much
your answer. Yeah, exactly, exactly. All right, enough for my
questions for now. The next question on deck is from
Rose Smith. Hey, Rose, Rose wants to know do you

(51:13):
know if anyone knows if dog man is male or
female or maybe something else. I guess that's a general question,
or Rose. People have eyewitnesses have reported seeing dog men
that are clearly male, and most that are seen seem
to be males. But yeah, females have definitely been seen
as well where there's no doubt that they were female.

(51:37):
So it happens, but not nearly as often as males
being seen. I hope that answers your question there.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
And Rose, I couldn't see I couldn't see the lower
half of this animal, so I'm not sure if the
one was male or female that I saw.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Well, you were locked onto its eyes too, which totally
understandable in a situation like that. You weren't expecting to
see him or it. So that's just kind of wired
into our programming that you're gonna lock on its eyes
and you're just gonna try and do the best you
can to hold it together. So, like I said, you
responded to exactly how most eyewitnesses would you really did.

(52:18):
This next question is from Andrea's Sores, and Andrea wants
to know did the dog man seem more animalistic or intelligent?
Especially when using the doorknob?

Speaker 1 (52:31):
I mean, to me, it seemed like it had definitely
some sentience and intelligence. How smart I don't know. I
mean smart enough to know how to turn the doorknob
without ripping the door off the hinges. Like I said,
I could see the wheels spinning, and it was trying
to figure out what it wanted to do to me

(52:53):
and my dog. I don't really know how else to
describe that, but I could see it thinking definitely think
they're highly intelligent.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Oh, they definitely are. Yeah, that's a given there. The
next question for you is from Lori Mass and Laurie
wants to know, looking back, did I contact make you
more afraid or actually calm you a little.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
That's a good question, Laurie. I think it did calm
me down a little bit to stare at it, because
you know, I could keep an eye on it. I
could look for any sudden movements while I was, you know,
looking at it. But I just backed slowly into the house.
And that's the best thing that I could do. In
that moment. I knew that if we ran, it could

(53:41):
have it could have seen that as like a prey motion.
It could have seen us as prey at that point,
and I didn't want to do that.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
I'm glad he didn't. The next one up on deck
is from Moniqua, and she wants to know did he
mind speak to you?

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Hi, Am Moniqua. I actually have not heard of that.
But no, I didn't hear anything. It didn't even growl
at me. So no, it didn't mind speak to me.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Well that's a good thing. I'm glad it didn't. And
Consel wants to know hand did he smell? Did he
have a tail?

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Hi? Anne? I don't remember any smells. I'm sure that
would have stuck with me had I smelled it, because,
like I said, I just thought it was a deer approaching.
I did see a tail flicking. I didn't get a
really good view of the tail. It was fluffy and long,
but that's all I could really say about it. It
did have a tail. It was fluffy and long, and

(54:40):
it was flicking its tail back and forth.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Yeah, that had to be quite the sight to see
you never expected to see that that night. That's a given.
The next one for you is from Cookies and Cream
and they want to know how long after you got
home did it jiggle the doorknob?

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Oh seconds, thirty seconds, forty five seconds. I got in
the door, and I had just enough time to take
my dog's leash off and hang it up dead bolt
the door. I had my back against the door, and
I probably took two or three breasts and deep breast
and took a look at my hand that was shaking,
and then from that moment I took two or three

(55:20):
steps to the left and then the door knob jiggled,
so probably about thirty seconds.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
And when we had that first conversation, I remember you
asking me, well, I don't think you saw me after
I went around the corner. How could you know which
unit was mine? And I told you, well, yeah that's
the case. But he saw you leaning up against that
post so or the corner there, so all he had
to do was just sniff from there and track you
right to your front door.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
But well, and the first thing was the first thing
I saw was a side profile because it was smelling
the air. So in hindsight, it probably was getting my
scent and my dog sent at that time, and then
it just tracked us back.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Yeah, would have been easy for it to do that.
Andres Carisales wants to know. Was there any possible law
enforcement after your encounter in your area?

Speaker 1 (56:14):
No, not that I'm aware of. I live in a city,
but I do live close to Washington, d C. I'll
say that's about forty minutes from me, close to Fort Meade,
close to the NSA, so seeing law enforcement is not uncommon.

(56:36):
But there was no additional presence that I noticed, And
I think that might be your question. There was nothing
out of the normal that I noticed.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Yeah. Well, like I told you, you're doing good to
know your own name. So what you did notice is
very impressive. I'm impressed by that. It looks like Angel
Wake wants to know. Did you look out for I'm sorry,
did you look for or find any tracks?

Speaker 1 (57:03):
I did not look for any tracks. I was terrified.
I really didn't want to know anything else. It was
hard enough for me to process what I had just seen.
I didn't even go to look. I probably should have looked,
but I didn't even go to look.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Well, I'm glad you didn't go to Luck because, yeah,
I think that'd be too much weight on a young back.
You weren't ready to do that. I've got one more
question for you. Were coming up on an hour. I
need to get ready to get out of here. This
last question is from Cookies and Cream and they want
to know how many minutes did it take you to
get home? Five minutes or more? And how long did

(57:41):
you wait for the dog man to leave your door?

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Okay, well I probably should have explained that better, So
thank you Cookies and Cream for the question. But when
I take my dogs outside, I walked them out of
the apartment and then there's around the corner there's a courtyard,
and there's plenty of green space in a courtyard and
it's pretty big, and so they do their business and
we clean it up and throw it in the dumpster

(58:07):
and then walk back to my apartment. So it's really
right outside my door. So from the time I started
walking backwards, it probably took me a minute and a
half to get all the way back to my door.
If that's what you're asking, well.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
And the answer is that, and I think that's what
they wanted to know, So yeah, thanks for answering all
those questions before we get out of here, Mindy, give
any clothes and comments you'd like to put out there
for us.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
You know, I've always been told that monsters aren't real
and that the real monsters are humans. But these things
are out there, and just keep an open to mind
because you never know what you're going to see, and
you might not see a dog man, you might see
something else. It's just totally broken my worldview open. You know,

(59:01):
Like I told you, I don't know what else is
out there that I previously thought didn't exist, that might
really exist and be out there in the world. So
just keep your horizons open.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Well, that's great advice. And hope you never do find
out what that's what else is out there, because yeah,
that wouldn't be a good thing at all. Mindy, thank
you so much for coming on sharing the details of
those experiences with us and for answering these questions. I
really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Thank you for having me, and thank you all for
your questions today.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Oh you're welcome. Thanks again so much for your time,
and have a great.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Night, all right you as well. Good night everybody.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Thanks, we'll see ya. Well that's another one. In the
books before I go. Two things don't forget. Tonight I
published four new episodes of my new Dogman podcast, dog
Me and Tails. Having trouble talking tonight, I apologize and
also too. If you've had a Dogman encounter that you
need help coming to terms with, or if you'd like

(01:00:04):
to just come on the show and share your experience
with the listeners, please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and
visit the podcast page. I'm sorry. Please just go to
Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. If you do that,
then I'll reach out to you and we'll schedule a
phone consultation so I can find out what happened and
we'll just take it from there. But having said that,

(01:00:27):
as always, thanks so much for listening to the show everyone,
I really appreciate it. Then, have a great night.