Skinwalkers Don’t Scare Me. Dogmen Do! - Dogman Encounters Episode 589

On tonight’s mid-week, livestream show, I’m going to be speaking with a man who used to do things to try to taunt Skinwalkers into interacting with him. At the time, he lived just one mile from Skinwalker Ranch. Back then, he used to go to places that Native Americans warned him not to visit. After arriving at those places, he did things they would never do, for fear of suffering the wrath of Skinwalkers. Years down the road, he and his wife moved to Texas. As fate would have it, one night, not long after they moved to their new home, they were on their back porch, enjoying the sights and sounds of a thunderstorm. Suddenly, something made its presence known that caused the two of them to head into their house. After making it inside, he locked every window and door. What was it that motivated the man who didn’t fear Skinwalkers to do that? We hope you’ll join us, for tonight’s livestream, and find out.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (01:27):
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(01:47):
basically states that just because you wouldn't buy something, don't
think for a second that there's not someone out there
who would because or I should say who wouldn't. That's
because just because you wouldn't do something, that doesn't mean
that there are another people who would just jump with
the opportunity to do what you refuse to do. What

(02:08):
I'm getting at here tonight is one of the things
we're gonna talk about with tonight's guest Jack, is something
he did years ago, basically taunting skin walkers into revealing
themselves to him. Just because he would do that, or
just because you wouldn't do that, I should say, that

(02:29):
doesn't mean that someone out there wouldn't do that. So
please keep that in mind whenever you're listening to shows.
Just because a guest comes on and talks about doing
something that you wouldn't do, don't be so harsh on
them because just like I said, just because you wouldn't
do it, that doesn't mean that they wouldn't, and it
doesn't mean that not being truthful when they say that

(02:51):
they would. All right, now, enough of my speech there,
I can get off my soapbox. Let's bring tonight's guest.
On Tonight's Guests, wish is tommain Anonymous. With that in mind,
I'm just gonna call him Jack. Jack Welcome to the show. Hey, Beck,
thanks so much for being here. We appreciate your time.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, it's just kind of crazy how this all kind
of happens, you know.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, never a dull moment, that's for sure. Everybody understand
Jack is nervous, like almost everybody who comes on this
show is. I found its best just to put that
out there so that everyone listening knows. I've had people
come on dog Me in the Counties who have their
own podcasts who are so nervous you could almost hear
them shake. So like I told you before, Jack, that

(03:45):
doesn't make you any difference from anyone else. It really doesn't.
So please keep that in mind. Well, Jack, haven't said
all that. Please give us a brief bio in yourself.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Oh on twenty five, moved to Henderson County, Texas from
the you in a basin up in northeastern Utah, up
by uh Roosevelt and Bernal area. If anybody knows where

(04:17):
that's at. I I've got a little farm. I work
in the oil field. I work over in West Texas. Uh.
You know. It's when I was a kid. I used
to do stupid stuff. Still kind of do when I

(04:40):
go back home.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, well that's what being a kid's all about. So
we can't take you to task for any of that. Yeah, yeah,
that's no big deal. That's just part of it. Jack
used to live and this blows my mind. Used to
lived just one mile from Skinwalker Ranch. How long did

(05:03):
you live there in? What was it like living there?

Speaker 1 (05:06):
How? When I lived there, I lived there for about
three years. But the house I lived in, I was
I was continuously going to because it was my grandma's house.
So just because I lived there for three years doesn't
mean like I haven't been there constantly, because I really have.
I've I've been at that house for almost my whole

(05:28):
entire life.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Basically, I've only seen the place on TV shows, so
I can't say I've ever been close to the place,
but it really looks awfully creepy with her house being
that close to it just a mile away. Was the
area where she lived creepy too? Or did it seem normal?

Speaker 1 (05:49):
I mean, I don't know. Growing up over there and
just around the whole entire area, it was, it was
all just it all just looked like farm land, you know,
look like farmland. Some weird things would happen. You would
see some weird things and just kind of go on
about your business.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Well, I'm sure she was used to it, but I
don't know how I could ever get used to that.
That's something else, and you talked about something else that
blows my mind. I just can't wrap my mind around.
Back then, you actually used to taunt skin walkers to
try to get them to reveal themselves to you. And
there's a story behind that, quite a bit of a story.
Please share it with us now.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Well, So, growing up, we would we would see things,
and we would constantly just not It wasn't ever like
night after night or day after day that we would
see things or anything like that. But it got to
a point where I was like, you know what, I'm
I'm just gonna go find it. I'm gonna go see

(06:56):
what I can't find, see if I can't like invoke anything,
And they kind of led to me being marked by
a skinwalker and having a medicine man come in. Yeah,
it was kind of crazy because we wouldn't just see

(07:18):
things on Skinwalker Ranch when we would get onto the ranch,
when we would sneak onto it or anything. I'm not
advocating for anybody trespassing or anything like that. It was
a stupid thing to do as a kid, stupid thing
to do now. I wouldn't do it now, But yeah,

(07:38):
the whole entire activity out there with that type of
stuff everywhere though everybody thinks it's just Skinwalker Ranch, but
it was the surrounding area, so we would see things
not on Skinwalker Ranch. So eventually I got me and
two of my buddies had gotten to a point of like,
let's just go see if we can't find it. We'd

(08:01):
gone onto the ranch, we found weird things up in
the mountains. We'd seen plenty of weird, strange orbs.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, something that blows my mind, possibly even more is
you would sit down with Native Americans to try to
pick their brains on this whole skin walk or phenomenon,
and they would warn you to stay away from certain
places and what did you do?

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Oh, I did not stay away. Me and my buddies
would go out and in high school, we'd go out
find the places that they were talking about, and we
would we would literally just try to conjure up whatever
was was there, whatever the focal point was there, to

(08:53):
try to see or interact. And between saying the word skinwalker,
like a lot of people say that that word has
so many so much power to it because it can
draw them to you to where it's it's like a
magnet to them. But you know, we we didn't care.

(09:14):
We would say it out loud, We wouldn't we wouldn't mind.
We would take rocks from the one the one canyon,
Dark Canyon. We would take rocks from dark Canyon. Uh
randomly finding stuff like black arrowheads in our in my
yard and in my buddy's front yard. We had found

(09:37):
black arrowheads and the utes had told us don't touch those,
don't don't interact with them. In a couple of days
it will be gone. Make sure everybody knows not to
touch them. And with like my mom growing up there,
she automatically knew that you just don't touch them. A
random black arrowhead that just popped up randomly onto your

(10:02):
property that you knew wasn't there beforehand, you don't mess
with it. So everybody in my family kind of already
knew not to mess with.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
It, but you did, though, there's always that one family member.
Something that also really blew me away is you told
me that you would go to caves where you knew
there was cave art, and then you would do something
that just I couldn't wrap my mind around why you
do that? Oh?

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Oh, just like when I was basically just chit chatting
to the cave art and the petroglyphs and all that,
just having a hard day, go out and talk to it,
talk around it, just invent and everything. Yeah, I don't
know it. Being outside has always just been the place

(10:54):
for me. So finding somewhere that, like I know these
people have been, I don't know, it's something that I
found solace in. I don't know if that's helped my
case anybody you know, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Well it's hard to say. Maybe it did help your case,
It's really hard to know. All right there, Jack, Please
tell us about your encounter. Now, give us everal last
detail it comes to mind.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
So we had just gotten the boys to finally go
to sleep, and it was it was a first actual
big storm I've been able to experience.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
I've hey, not did Rep Jack, but please go back
further than that and tell us about moving to the
police where this will happen.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Oh, moving, okay. So after so moving on moving in
New Year's morning, we got to the house January first
of this year, and and uh, you know, we going

(12:04):
through just packing everything from trailers to the house and
everything that we didn't have. Anything weird happened. Then we
but a couple of days after just walking down the
property line and everything, we I'd seen some shadows, some

(12:24):
taller shadows kind of walking and running and just big
old footsteps going through the trees. And I was like, huh, weird. Okay,
I know there's hogs out here. I haven't had any
experience with hogs, but I'm pretty sure they don't. They
don't sit up that high if you see them moving around,

(12:47):
you know. And that that had happened a couple of
times just walking my property, we me and my wife
would have would notice it, notice the footstep and all that.
Nothing nothing really big up until the encounter like this
was just slight. Maybe it was it, maybe it wasn't.

(13:13):
I'm I'm not going to tell you it was, but
I definitely won't tell you that it wasn't, you know.
And so as we've lived here, there's been quite a
bit of pretty good rainstorms and thunderstorms, lightning storms, just

(13:36):
something absolutely completely different compared to what I had grown
up with, because in Utah you don't get that much
crazy storms. So throughout the whole entire time that we've
lived here in Texas, every time we've had a storm
at the house, it was I was at my rig,

(14:00):
my drilling rig that I work on over in West
Texas where it's dry, and my wife would call me
and tell me, Hey, this storm is absolutely crazy. I
really wish you could be here to experience it, and
a lot I haven't. I've only experienced one one storm

(14:23):
over in East Texas now, and that was a storm
with the encounter and uh, well it it definitely it was.
It was a good storm and everything like it definitely
wasn't anything I'd ever experienced. So I we had gotten

(14:47):
the kids to bed and finally a sleep if it
was about ten thirty ish we go out, we're just
enjoying the sound of the whole entire storm, and because
on our back porch it's covered with a tin roof,
and we sat in our swing, our porch swing, and

(15:07):
just it was bliss up until like looking out in
the field and everything, just enjoying everything, enjoying the company
with my wife, you know. And as we're looking at
the field, I notice something pacing my back tree line

(15:29):
of the field. And I'm sitting here. I'm like, I
really don't know what it is. I stand up to
try to get an even better vantage point, even though
it's not much of a difference for what I'll see,
and I asked my wife to to just stand up

(15:50):
and see if she could see it, because I guess
when she was sitting down on the on the swing,
she couldn't see it. This is what she had told me.
And then so I walked over where my car port is.
My car port sits about a quarter of the length

(16:14):
of my back porch and it's connected to my back
porch and it goes closest from the port swing. What
in the car port was my wife's car. And then
in the next spot for parking is my truck, and

(16:35):
I walked in between the vehicles and I sat here
looking at it at this just as it looked like
a gray mass pacing back and forth on my tree line,
on the back tree line, and I could see it
clear now, I could really see it, just a mass

(16:55):
itself when the lightning was slashing and everything. And I
had bugs my wife enough to get her to come
over and stand next to me and look at this.
And she's like, I really, I really don't know what
that is. And I tell her, Okay, stay here. I'm
gonna go get my binoculars and come back and see.

(17:20):
And as it's doing this, and I leave. When I
get back, my wife tells me, well, it's standing over
by the corner post on the far left on the
back of the property. Okay, so I'm looking there, but

(17:41):
I don't know if it was due to the rain
or anything else. But all I could see there was
again a gray mass and its head sat above that
corner post. And that corner post is five feet out
of the ground. And I'm sitting here thinking, I don't

(18:03):
know what the thinge could be. And it went back
to its pacing from except for the hole instead of
the whole tree line. It went from that corner post
to a tree that sticks out side of the tree line,
and as we're watching it, it is just continues pacing

(18:29):
like for I don't know, two three, five minutes. I
really don't know. I wasn't paying any tention to time wise,
and it stops and starts darting in and out of
the tree line, kind of closer to that tree that
sticks out of the tree line. And we're sitting here wondering, Okay,

(18:51):
we I don't know what this is. I don't know
anything that moves around actively during a rainstorm, especially one
this bad. And it was weird because it had done
its darting in and out of the trees for a minute,

(19:12):
and I I couldn't see it. After that, we didn't
see it. We looked for it. We sat there for
a while trying to find this thing, trying to see
where it was. And my wife she says, hey, there's
something crawling back behind our our garden boxes. The garden

(19:41):
boxes they're they're about a quarter of the way down
to our field. And I'm thinking, okay, and I finally
see it and it is.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
This.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
It looked like almost how would you say oh, say,
a guy crawling on hands and knees is what it
looked like. But it had the wolf head like a

(20:18):
dog head, and it was great. We could see it.
It was a lot closer now, and we back up.
My wife goes inside. She wrestles, she just she literally
more not even really rushes, but ran inside. And as

(20:41):
I'm seeing this still it's getting closer. It gets to
where it's kind of harder to see it now because
the truck's kind of in the way, but I can
still see part of it. And I slowly back up,

(21:01):
walk around my wife's car and get into the passenger door,
trying to keep my eye on the scene in which
the truck's in the way now so I can't see it.
And I grab my nind that we were keeping in
the car, and as I'm walking around the car again

(21:24):
in the truck just to see on what the sing
is because it didn't feel right. It felt predatory. When
I had seen it without my wife's there, it felt
very predatorial.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
And.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
When I had seen it, it had seen me. As
I'm walking around the cars and I'm pointing my gun
at it, and it stands up and where it was
where it had stood up. I had took my range
finder and found out that it was almost exactly thirty

(22:04):
five yards away, and it sat where it sat. It
was very much, at the very least eight feet tall,
and we had a stare down basically, and it's It
was absolutely horrifying because comparing it to my encounters with skinwalkers,

(22:33):
this thing was.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Here.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
It was flesh and blood. It wasn't anything from any
of the legends I've ever heard, besides from me listening
to your podcast. This, this is it. This is exactly
well I thought might not have ever been real. And

(23:01):
I am terrified now. And I take a step back
and it takes a step back, and it continues to
mirror my movements. And as it's doing this, I'm just
waiting and hoping that I'll be to my back door soon.

(23:27):
And it's like one of those moments where it phil's
like it takes forever, like time stop while you're doing this.
While I was doing this, and when I got to
the door, I reached over, not keeping my eyes off
of it, opened the door, pushed it slightly. As soon

(23:54):
as I knew that door was open, I started inside,
got it, locked it, and locked everything down in the house.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, after you locked everything down, what did you do? Then?

Speaker 1 (24:24):
I sat with my wife and I I was breaking terrified.
I couldn't sleep for the rest of the night because
just the thought of it trying to find a way
in for me, my wife, or my two boys. It
was it was absolutely terrified.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
You know, Oh, I'm sure it was. Like we talked
about in our first conversation though, the whole idea about
going around making sure the doors are locked and all
the windows are locked. When it comes to these things
and you know one's outside, that's folly. You didn't know that,
and you can't be blamed for doing that. It's natural

(25:06):
that you would run around the house with your hair
on fire trying to make sure everything was locked up.
But like we talked about, if I think really wanted you,
your wife, your kids, there's not a door that could
stop it, there's not a window that could stop it,
and there's not a wall that was in your house
that could stop it. But like we went over, the
fact that you're all here is a testament to the

(25:29):
fact that it didn't want to harm you. So please
keep that in mind when you were having that stare
down with it. What was your wife doing because she
wasn't with you, then.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
I have no idea. My guess is she was when
I when I got into the house, she was like
a little scared little girl that had just watched a
horrifying movie. She was in our bed, blankets her head terrified. So, yeah,

(26:08):
she doesn't really like talking about it because she kind
of blames me for all the weird and creepy things
that we've experienced, in which I don't blame her, you know.
It's Oh, I'm willing to guarantee even like me messing
around with skin walkers and everything is one of the

(26:28):
reasons on why this thing had came out.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that because I was about
to ask you if you thought what you did in
Utah had anything to do with this encounter.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, I think it might have. In all honesty, it
might have.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah, it's definitely possible. It really is. When you're having
that steer down with it, how sure were you that
you were going to die at any moment?

Speaker 1 (27:04):
I wasn't sure, Like I didn't know if my nine
would stop it, or if it would slow it, or
if it would give me a chance to be able
to try to get inside. It was basically at that
point just a comfort in my hands because I didn't

(27:27):
know on what it would do to that thing.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, that's understandable. When you first saw it, Jack, you
said that it was pacing back and forth at the
tree line back behind your property. How far was it
though from.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
You from that point when we were on the porch swing. Oh,
I'd say probably, I want to say a hundred seventy
five yards. Maybe not too far. It's not too big

(28:07):
of a field. It's only a one acre fill, but yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
That's a pretty good distance. When it started darting in
and out of the tree line, did it look to
you like it was interacting with anything back there or
just darting for no apparent reason?

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Do you know? I kind of quit asking myself that
because I can't wrap my head as to why it
was doing it, And that's I still wonder, but you
know it, it's I have no answer to that one,
because that's also a question that I had, WHOA why
was it darting? You know?

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Well, they do some strange things that DEFAIA an easy explanation.
I guess that dog means the only one that's going
to understand and know why it was doing that. That's
anyone's yes though, Yeah, I know when it got closer
it did. But did any time when it was back
there at the tree line, did it ever give any
indication that it knew that you were there watching it?

Speaker 1 (29:16):
See? I think it might have seen us when it
was just standing by the corner fence post, that back
corner fence post. I think I think that's when it
was maybe watching us. It's hard. It's hard for me
to say it though, because I have horrible vision and
with the binoculars it was still all just a mass.

(29:41):
But my guess would be that that it was watching
us watching it when it was just standing by the
fence post.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
I see, Thanks for clearing that up for me. Did
your wife have a hard time coming to terms with
that experience or you said the she doesn't like to
talk about it. Is that just her compensation device for
dealing with an experience that she hasn't gotten over. Where's
her mind at with all this?

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Well, so she just wants for the weird, paranormal, cryptid
type of stuff to stop. And so when she's kind
of thinking about it, like when we were in Utah,

(30:34):
if she didn't feed into it. She wouldn't be the
one that it was really kind of targeting, you know,
and that's just been her mindset about it.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
So yeah, well I doubt she's ever going to take
me up on the offer, but please do make sure
she knows if she ever liked to talk about that experience,
then I'll be there for always, will.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
I will?

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, definitely. How about you now that this is in
the rear view, I'm still kind of conflicted on this.
How well you're dealing with that encounter. Are you to
the point now where you can head outside at night
without too many troubles or are you still having trouble

(31:26):
going out after dark?

Speaker 1 (31:30):
So I'll still go out and walk my property line
and everything, like, it's not a big deal to me.
Like if I see something though in the trees, like
any large shadows moving around, I'll I'll make it very

(31:52):
clear that I am going inside. I won't rush or
run or anything like that. I'll keep it my normal
pace just because if it's if it is there, I
don't I don't want to to enact any predatorial chase
type of thing with it.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, that's a good idea. If you run your prey,
So it's good, and you know that I'm still a
little unsure about this. I shouldn't be, but I am.
You told me that your wife doesn't want to talk
about the encounter. But does she just not want to
talk with me about it, or does she refuse to
talk with you even about it?

Speaker 1 (32:34):
So she doesn't even really talk to me about like
with the stuff up in Utah. So it's it's not
really anything new to me that she doesn't like to
talk about it or doesn't want to talk about it.
Like I've asked her on what her thoughts are and

(32:56):
she says, just don't don't worry about it. Just don't
mess with it, don't feed into it, you know. Hmm.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yeah, sounds like she is pretty shook up then. Still, yeah,
that's understandable. Did the people that you bought that house
from ever give you any warnings or any inklings about
strange things that might have happened there?

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Uh? No, we actually so when we bought the house,
we we never actually met the sellers, Like we we
did a whole entire FaceTime walked through and everything, and
they had decided, yeah, let's buy the house, and so
we never met the sellers. We never talked to them directly,

(33:45):
like through my my real estate agent. I guess we
had talked through to him, but no, we we hadn't. Uh,
we hadn't had any actual contact with the sellers of
our house. But we did find out from my one
neighbor that the previous owners the sellers were Indians. So

(34:14):
I don't know it. It might be a connection, it
might not, you know it just because of the whole
entire skinwalker thing. I think it might be, but it
might not be.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, it's hard to say. That's anyone's guess. What's the
story with that forest back behind your property? Is it
a big forest or a thin belt? What's the story
with it?

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Oh, so there's ten acres back behind my property and
it is No one uses it, so it's kind of
just there. And then behind that property line, it's owned
by the city and it's all it's just continuous force throughout,

(35:09):
owned by the city of Athens.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
So it's yeah, so there are belts of trees that
lead from it to other places where it could come
and go from other areas without being seen.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Then oh very easily, yes, very very easily.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Huh. I see, well that does make it more inviting
for it. That's a given. Anyone listening in the live chat,
if you have any questions you want me to ask Jack,
please type it in all caps. That way I won't
miss it. And if you do that, then I'll be
happy to ask that question. As far as that medicine

(35:50):
man goes that you told us about that had to
bail you out after you did things that apparently caught
the attention of at least one skin walker, you told
us that you were paying the price for doing that.
To what extent though, what were you going through?

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Uh? During that time we were we would start so yeah,
where we lived there was the tribe and we weren't
too far away from uh Fort Duchane or Ayming, but
and they would do practice sessions for powows and everything
like that with the drums and all that. But there

(36:30):
wasn't any powows going on. We would hear in the
middle of the night, like woking up to as if
it was war drums right outside my bedroom window. And
my neighbor at the time had complained about it, saying
that I was building something in the middle of the night.

(36:52):
I was like, no, that is drums that we are hearing. Also,
we don't know what the hell it is. It's weird.
And then we would hear things scraping across the side
of the house on the outside, and everything like that.

(37:14):
Me and my wife had seen. So at the time,
my youngest was I want to stay one and he
was still having a hard time just sleeping in his
own room and everything. So my wife had woken up
to him crying and having a nightmare. And when she'd

(37:39):
walked out of our room, when you walked out of
our room in that house, it was the family room,
the kitchen, in the dining room, and it was all open,
and in the dining room there was a back door
and it was a sliding door, and she said she
had looked over there and there was a silhouette of
an Indian with what looked to be the old bone

(38:04):
armor type of shirt thing. And even then she had
told me and then that was it. She didn't want
to talk about it ever again. With that also, I
had seen it too, and it got to where we

(38:27):
were starting to have a really like she would get
mad over nothing, and I would get mad over nothing,
and we would start arguing, and then we would realize
we don't even know what in the heck court arguing about?
And we stop, we'd stop, and then it was like, hey,

(38:56):
we don't know where this anger came from, you know
well and yeah, yeah, how.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Much of an effect did that medicines man work have
on all those things you're dealing with?

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Uh? Well, it took a lot of time for the
things to like slowly peter out. And he told us
I would with them with me being marked. It's not
a surefire. Hey, you're good to go. It's it takes

(39:36):
time and a lot of saving and smudging the house.
And uh, like I'd started leaving my shoes outside before
I'd walk into the door. I would take my shoes
off and I'd leave them outside. Even if it rained,
I would leave them outside. I wouldn't. Yeah, I've started

(40:03):
following everything that he had told me of the things
to do if I'm going to continue down that road
of going and looking for these things. And that was
definitely one of them of after you go looking for
these they might not show themselves to you, but that

(40:24):
doesn't mean that they're not there, so you should. Definitely,
his reasoning was that they try to follow the footsteps
of whatever souls they know that you have on currently.
So your barefoot you're kind of as a well.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
So how were you able to convince him to help
you in the first place, because most medicine men, I
don't think they would be all that easy to sway
you to do that to help you out.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
I knew him personally.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Oh that's right, you did say that, that's right.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, I knew him personally. He was one of my
native friends, grandpa's, and he I'd met him so many times,
even before I was friends with my name my one
of my native buddies. And yeah, he he he. I

(41:27):
didn't even really reach out, is what it was. And
I was byes ing with my buddy and his grandpa
had came over and he had noticed that. I don't
know exactly what he had noticed, but that is when
he said that, like you.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Have.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
He didn't say aura, but that's like basically the equivalents
of what he was meaning, you have this that attracts
these things, whether it's good or bad.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
So yeah, that's definitely not the kind of news you
want to hear.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
I mean, you were me and you were going out
and looking for these things. It kind of made sense
on why you you would be so not successful but
able to find them.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
From what he told you, did he give the impression
that he thought you had that aura around you because
of all the things you did to try and taunt
them into revealing themselves. Or was it a case of
you just have this aura and that's all there is to.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
It, you know, I really don't know. He never delved
into it. He never got in any type of specifics.
He didn't ask me any questions about it, And in
all honesty, I was too ashamed to tell him that, Hey,
I was going, I'm looking for it because I do

(43:13):
deeply look up to him and everything that he's done
already for like me and my family on trying to
stop and helping us with that issue. And then my
buddy had told him that I go and look for it,

(43:34):
or I was going and looking for that stuff.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
So well, you know, when your buddy told him that,
I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
That didn't go over Well, No it didn't.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Yeah, I'm bad. You work as an oil rig. You
work at an oil rig for a living. Are you
ever alone there though? Or is there always someone else
there with you?

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Uh? You know, with my position, I'm I am a
backyard hand, solid control hand and I'm I'm pretty much
alone most of the time. I'll go and talk with
the Derek hand and everything and ah, you know I

(44:23):
but I'm usually just in my front end motor or
if there's nothing for me going on, if I have
everything cleaned up, picked up, garbage, whatever's around location, I'm
just kind of hanging out in my little office trailer
that they have for me.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
So right, hmmm, considering your past experience, is how easier
difficult is that for you?

Speaker 1 (44:53):
You know, it's it's not that bad. Like I'm I'm
not really scared of the dark, even with all of
my past experiences. I'm still not scared of the dark.
I just know that there can be things there.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Yeah, there definitely can. In most cases, the most frightening
thing that you're going to find in the dark is
what you take into it with you. So if you've
had a dog mean encounter and you have a hard
time going out after dark, please keep that in mind.
Is it possible that you'll bump into another dog man
or the same one that you encountered the first time around. Yeah,

(45:34):
it's definitely possible. But in most cases, like I said,
the most frightening thing that's in the dark that you're
gonna find is what you take out there with you.
Please remember that. Have you ever seen anything strange?

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Oh I'm sorry, I was just saying, yeah, you are
completely right with that.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Oh, definitely. Have you ever seen anything strange there at
the wheel rige?

Speaker 1 (46:01):
I've seen some strange lights up in the sky, like
and that wasn't just a me experience. That was like
the whole entire rig scene. It. Well, somebody beyond the
drilling the location had seen.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
It better something like that in the sky than on
the ground.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yeah. I'd say let's get to the questions now. The
first question for you is from Ann Console and Ian
wants to know, Jack, did you say it was eight
feet tall?

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah? It was every bit of eight feet tall. So
it sat when it was when I was sitting by
my fence post. The top of my fence post sits
at five feet exactly, and that dog man was sitting

(47:03):
at least the top of his head was at least
three feet taller than it.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Good observation there, I'm impressed. This next one is from
Glenn Kamada, and Glenn wants to know did you ever
play around with the Wuigi? Board.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
No, I haven't. I've always kind of just thought of
wigi boards as gimmicky. I'm sorry for the people that
have played with them and have had strange and unexplainable experiences.
I've just never been really interested in them. I've always

(47:47):
grew up kind of thinking they're gimmicky.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Well, whatever the reason, I'm just glad you never messed
with them. Thank goodness for that. This next one is
from Kelly in and Kelly wants to know what color
was the fur of the dog man and also she
wants to know did the Skinwalker change shape?

Speaker 1 (48:08):
So the color of the fur was definitely like a
darker gray, definitely a darker gray something that that made
it to where when it wasn't moving, it was a
lot harder to see at night. And for the Skinwalker,

(48:33):
I've I've seen an animal that was moving around that
it didn't look right at all, And it wasn't chronic
wasting disease it was it was definitely something weird and
when I turned back it it wasn't there. And I

(48:54):
go and check looking at tracks and I'm seeing a
little jack rabbits tracks and then nothing following its whole
entire Oh well, would you say trajectory of movement, there

(49:18):
was nothing. And then I started searching around and there
was nothing anywhere. There wasn't a hole that it could
have burrowed too. And yeah, it was. That was kind
of weird. I've seen a couple of things like that. Actually,
I've seen wolf up in Utah and there's no wolves.

(49:40):
I've seen it walking past the tree and it didn't
walk to the other side of the tree and go
and check those tracks, and it stopped dead center of
that tree.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
It's almost like it went into a portal.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Yeah, it was. It was very weird. I I've found
dumping grounds. Me and my buddy Colton, we have found
dumping grounds in the Mighten area. I won't say where,
but in the Mighten area we'd found dumping grounds of

(50:16):
and it was it was way too much. I don't
know any hunters that if they are poaching for the food,
they're not going to be doing the absolute prettiest of
skinning and doing a cape skinned on an animal if
they had poached it. And we had found at least

(50:37):
a hundred different skins that were caped out where it's
the whole entire skin of the animal.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Wow, that's a strange find. Are all these strange things
in the past or have they been continuing to present day?

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Oh? Those are all all in the past, like the
so the wolf was about three years ago, the skins,
they were all about I want to say two or
two or two and a half years ago. Uh.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Yeah, Well, thank goodness, it seemed to have stopped. Hopefully
the never do start again. I've got another question for
you from Patrick, and Patrick wants to know does there
seem to be a pattern to when you feel like
the dogmen are around or does it feel random and timing?

Speaker 1 (51:43):
You know, I I really don't know it. I've only
seen I've seen it once and it was during a storm,
so I seeing the shadows. I won't tell you that
the shadows that I had seen in the trees isn't

(52:04):
the dog man, but it is enough to get me
scared to say, hey, I'm going inside. So it's it's
kind of been random with the shadows that I've seen
in the trees further back in the trees and everything.
But yeah, just as random as my my encounter.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Yeah, it does sound pretty random. I've got another one
from me looks like it's from Anne console and she
wants to know. I'm not sure if you saw the
color of its skin or not, but she wants to
know if you did see it, what color was its skin?

Speaker 1 (52:48):
The color of its skin. I'll, I mean, I can,
I can give you everything for detail wise, like it
it had the darker gray fur. It was a shorter snout,
tall ears, and the snout was it was covered. So

(53:08):
I don't really know him skin wise. You know, it
could be any colored skin underneath the fur, like on
how a puller bear is has black skin but white fur.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Yeah, that does surprise a lot of people. That's how
it is. Though. This next one is from Glenn Kamada,
and that's related to what you're just telling us about.
He wants to know didn't have well groomed.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Fur in the rain. It was. It was definitely matted down.
It wasn't puffed up or anything. It was it was
matted down and wet and that could have been the
cause for it to look like a darker gray too. Like,

(53:58):
it was definitely wet and matted so it was. It
was hard to say and if it had groomed for
or not.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Yeah, it feels soaked like that, it would be almost
impossible looks like. The next question is for Ian and
Ian wants to know do you think that the storm
somehow brought it out or vice versa.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Uh, it could have you know, it could have been like, hey,
this is this could be the time to be able
to break through the tree line. It's darker than normal,
there's no shine from the moon or anything. I don't
even know what the moon was that night. Uh, yeah,
it was it. It could have had a reason for

(54:50):
coming out of the trees because of the storm.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Yeah, that's a good question right there.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Yeah, yeah, I really don't know because I don't I
don't know the attributes of these things. I don't know
what they run off of, what their ideology is on
how they go through with their their actions.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
So yeah, that's fair. The next question is from blood Vipa,
and he wants to know did you notice it smell?
If so, what was it?

Speaker 1 (55:29):
If I had to smell, I couldn't tell. All I
could smell was earthy rain right now, like right then
and there. If that's all I could smell.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
You know, if it's storming and blowing, I'll bet that's
all you could smell. I've got a question for you
from unreal estate agent double O seven. They want to know,
are there any burial grounds or places considered sacred near
where you've had the encounter?

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Not that I know of. I've I've only lived here
in Texas for what six months now? So yeah, not
that I know of. There was no burial grounds that
I know of. Now, if you asked me for the Skinwalkers, Uh,

(56:28):
there definitely could have been, because there was They dig
up old burial grounds all the time out there for locations,
drilling locations and everything like that, So there definitely could
have been for the Skinwalkers. I don't know for here
in Texas though.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Yeah, that's fear. You've only been there for a short
period of time, so you probably wouldn't know. This next
question is from Jerry Cahill, and Jerry wants to know
do you wish you didn't conjure the Skinwalkers?

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Uh? You know, me messing with it after living with
so many encounters throughout what I believe is my short
life that I've had. If I could have gone back

(57:22):
and done it in a different way, I would have,
if that makes sense. If yeah, yeah, if I could
have gone back and done it the way that was
advised to me, I would have done it that way,

(57:46):
but as of the way that I did do it,
I I kind of regret it. Yeah, but the way
that I had done it.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
You know what they say it could have should have
wor oh yeah, yeah, that's all there is to it.
This next question is from unreal estate agent double O seven,
and they want to know did you notice luminous eyes
and did you feel it near your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (58:14):
I didn't think that it could fill my thoughts, but
you know, at at the moment to me anyways, I
thought it was like a mutual of we don't know
the reaction time of either, even though I was already

(58:36):
not really believing in my nine. But yeah, and luminous eyes,
so they didn't glow glow like on how a flashlight
is or anything like that. It was more like when
you see a cat out at night, and it was
it was an amber color. It wasn't it wasn't like

(59:01):
super bright. It wasn't anything like that for the eyes.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Well, that's a good description. It looks like. Unreal estate
agent seven also wants to know did you see hands
and arms as well as legs like people bone structure wise?

Speaker 1 (59:25):
You know, it had arms. It had what looked like
it would be long arms for a human and hand wise.
I wasn't paying attention to the hands.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
I was.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
I was just trying to pay attention to it when
we were staring each other down when I had seen
it curling up, I was just looking at it, not
not at the hands.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
That's understandable. Did you ever get a glance at his
leg structure though, to see if it had dog like legs,
eggs or hominid style legs.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
See, that's that's I think that's why I thought it
was crawling on its knees, because it's its legs did
look funny when it was strown like not human ners,
if that makes sense. Kind of kind of looked like
I had the little backward thing on, like the back

(01:00:28):
knees on the dog hawks. Yeah, hawks hawks, Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
It's a Kielan tight dog man. It looks like Mike
triple seven E. I wants to know did you see
any black helicopters?

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
No? I did not. Actually I didn't see any black helicopters.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
I figured that was a long shot, but definitely worth asking.
The last question for is from blood Vipa. He wants
to know. Did you sense it before you saw it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
No, I did not sense it before I saw it.
My wife's seen it before I did. So if you're
talking about when it was coming up closer, no, I
did not sense it. And if you're talking about back
by my tree line, I didn't sense it either. I
had seen movement and that is what drawn me to

(01:01:29):
look at it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Do you think it's a good thing that you did
see it and didn't just go inside blindly because of
the storm and never were any wiser about it being
around or is it vice versa? Do you wish you
never saw it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
I I kind of I'm glad that I had seen it,
because I'm very I'm open minded about these types of things, right,
But with the way it was with my encounter, where

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if we could have seen it clearly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
When we'd first seen it, we definitely would have just
went inside.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Then, Oh, I'm sure you would have and understandably so well, Jack,
It goes without saying, I sure hope your days of
strange events like this or behind you. Hope you never
have a single event like this again. But if it
ever comes back, if you ever need my help period,

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just let me know and I'll be there for you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Okay, thank you, Vick.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Oh, you're welcome. Well, before we get out of here,
do you have any clothes and comments you want to
put out there for us.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Yeah, don't go looking for things if you don't know
what they actually are. That's not with my experience with
dog Man. That's just with my experience of the whole
entire everything that I've been there in my adult life.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Well, that's always good advice. Yeah, if more people follow
that advice, there'd be a lot fewer people out there
dealing with problems. That's a given. But having said that,
thanks again so much for coming on and sharing the
details of those experiences with this Jack. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Yeah, thank you for being over let me, you know,
get this out there. It's definitely different here in Texas
compared to the you in a basin.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Oh glad to do it, and yeah, I'm sure it is. Yeah,
quite a bit different all right then. Yeah, thanks against
much of your time, Jack, and have a great night.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Thank you youto. Vic.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Oh, you're welcome. Well that's another one in the books.
Thanks as always so much for listening to the show. Everyone.
I really appreciate it and of course, I hope you
have a great night before I do get out of here. Though,
if you've had a Dogman encounter that you either need
help with or say you want to come on the
show and share it with the listeners, all you would
need to do is to go to dogmanencounters dot com

(01:04:30):
submit a report, and if you do that then I
will be happy to contact you to schedule a film
consultation so we can have a good talk about your
encounter or encounters as it sometimes happens. But having said that,
thanks again so much for listening and have a great night.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
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