July 2nd 2025

Today the guys continued to recap what happened on Day 1 of NHL Free Agency yesterday and chat about what the 3 contract extensions mean for the future.

Joining the show is Thomas Drance (17:53), Thatcher Demko's Agent Jordan Neumann (29:39) and Craig Button (52:17).

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 1 (00:55):
Couldn't be better?

Speaker 4 (00:57):
I want to correct before we talk about brock Best
and what's going on with the Canucks and other Vancouver sports.
So I want to say something here yesterday on the show,
and look, we get a lot of time off in
the summer. Tons, So jokingly I said a couple of
times that Thursday would be our last show and then
we'll return in twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty eight. I

(01:21):
was having some fun there was It was tongue in cheek.
We've received so many texts in our Delaney's okay, Tyrian
Langley and all their grove inbox. What are you talking about?
You guys aren't coming back to twenty people.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
I thought you were serious, and.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
We got emails as well. We were flat texts and
I jailed. I guess people people know we get and
we're so thankful for it that we get a lot
of time off. They took me seriously.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
They did, they did.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
We'll be Thursday is our last show for the summer,
and then we return in the fall in September. We
don't know the date in September yet, but we'll come
twenty twenty five five. But we're hoping to come up
with the date. We don't have it yet. Yeah, but like, uh,
I know, like with myself, my salary is so low
that they make up for it by giving me a

(02:11):
lot of time. Yeah, well you're the opposite. You get
paid well and you get a lot of time.

Speaker 5 (02:15):
You know the way our industry is going not good,
not good, but we're hanging in there.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Connucks all right.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Brock Besser, Thatcher, Dampco, Connor Garland all committing to the
Canucks yesterday. I think the most surprising of them was
brock Besser. We just assumed he was gone elsewhere. The Rangers, Penguin,
the Bruins, Edmonton, all sorts of teams. So he he
commits to the Canucks seven years, seven point two five

(02:46):
million average annual value, and he spoke to the media
this morning.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Absolutely he did.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Don so brock Besser. His agent is Ben Hankinson out
of Minnesota. Yeah. Maybe the best Minnesota accent I've ever
heard since then, just the movie Fargo.

Speaker 5 (03:04):
I'm trying to get him on the show. I'm trying
to get him on the show. He's right now, he's
saying no, brock Bester.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
This morning, here he is. I believe he was at
his home in Minnesota. Yeah, Brock on how it all
came together.

Speaker 6 (03:16):
Yesterday, I was actually at the gym. I thought, I
don't know why. I thought I'd be able to maybe
train and work out. I ended up not even working
out and had to leave because I was on the
phone the whole time. But yeah, we were sitting there,
we were talking, and I was talking to Ben just
kind of going over everything and just trying to get
an idea of, you know, what could happen and whatever.

(03:38):
And then he said Patrick was calling him, and that
kind of, you know, kind of raised my eyebrows. I
was like, Okay, maybe we can figure something out here.
And then you know, they kind of went back and
forth a little bit and we found some common ground.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
And you know, I had other guys in my ears, like.

Speaker 6 (03:55):
Guard and DeMar and all those guys kind of pushing
my buns to come back to So it obviously plays
a big part to you know, have such good friends
and have belief in it within the guys in the room.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
So so something he said there at the end which
really struck me yesterday, despite all the bs we heard
about in the locker room last season, it seems like
this team, these players and and Connor Garland spot we're
gonna hear from him as well. He spoke about this yesterday,
that they're tighter than than people think. And I know

(04:31):
Miller's gone, maybe that there's something there, and you know,
Patterson's personality is interesting but it seems like that they're
they're a lot closer, a lot tighter than than than
people think.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
Miller Patterson caused a ton of issues. Don, let's be serious.
It was not a good dressing room. But here's the
great thing for the canucktion. UFA's don't want to play here.
I got a ton of agents tell me they don't
want their best or just saying hey, I'm going to
get there. UFA's don't want to play in Vancouver. I
got a ton of agents tell me, no, my guy doesn't.
Vancouver's not a But apparently the Canucks want to play here. Don,

(05:02):
Apparently Denko wanted to play here. His agent was talking
about leaving his UFA and he said, no, I want Vancouver.
Besser watched back, Garland, watch back. Apparently UFA's don't want
to hear, but hey, Canucks want to return.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
So here's Brockbest again from earlier this morning during his
media avail. Uh. He had other possibilities, and Rick has
talked about this. Other people have talked about this. Brock
Best had other possibilities, But sticking around in Vancouver it
just felt right.

Speaker 6 (05:31):
I mean, it was it was hard. I think, you know,
I really mentally try to throw scenarios in my head
on you know, different teams I could possibly see myself
being on and tried to envision it, but you know,
I can only get you so far, and just thinking
about it, I just felt like, you know, in my stomach,
I still had a weird feeling about everything. And you know,

(05:54):
when they called back, you know, I kind of lit up,
you know, just even after everything that's happened, and I
still kind of had that feeling in my stomach, and
you know, I just listened to it, and you know
it felt right. When they started talking and trying to
figure out a deal, I just started getting excited, and
you know, I just knew it was meant to be.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
There. You go, is this team? Is this organization? Is
it more together than we think? Not only just in
the locker room and the core players, but there's this
belief amongst these players that have been around for a
long time. And when I say amongst these players, we're
talking about Besser, Garland, Demco. They're all Americans, and they're

(06:38):
okay living in Vancouver, They're okay with the apparently with
with THEAM I mean, they're kind of they're getting paid
a lot. They're okay with all the attention that the
crazy hockey craze market and and maybe they're okay with
all of this despite you know what we saw last
year standings wise, and the turmoil within the organization and

(07:00):
something else.

Speaker 5 (07:01):
Don Brock had options. I've been told that he had
five serious offers on the table. They were going down
the pathway of cutting the deal with another team. Then
out of the blue, the Canucks call with one hour
to go in free and gee, you know why they
called John Because the Canucks' number one priority on July
first was not Brock Besser, it was Christian Devorak. The

(07:21):
Caducks got into a bidding war with Philadelphia over Devorak.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
Thank god they.

Speaker 5 (07:26):
Got into a bidding war Don, And he wasn't going
to be second line center. He's going to be third
line center. Just so you know that.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
That's why I say, think go, Yeah, he didn't have
a good season a month.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
But don't kid yourselves. The Canucks number one option when
they got up on July first was not brought Besser.
They went to Besser when they lost Devorak to Philadelphia.
Different positions though no I know but they get here's
the other problem. Their number one center target was Michael Granlin.
He said sorry, right, Devorak said sorry. They ran out

(07:55):
of options at Center Don they had to go to Brock.
They had to go to Brock and say, okay, we'll
fix the state position maybe early next year. In the trade,
they're trying to move two guys right now, Joshua Blueger.
Don can they move one of those two guys to
free up the cap space to get a centerman?

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Now, what about Suitor? They called his suitor coming back.

Speaker 5 (08:13):
They called his agent yesterday and they told him still interested.
The door is open with Suitor. The door is open.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
But they have to make a deal now. Right now,
they have just over half a million dollars in cap space.

Speaker 5 (08:25):
Don they got to move either Joshua Blueger to get
back in on suitor. Suitter's gonna sign today or tomorrow.
Suitors being held up by Nikolai Elers and where you
know that's going. Suitor's gonna go today or tomorrow. But
he's got to wait. But I really am hearing the
Canucks are souring on to go to Joshua for some
odd reason. Don his name's out there, well, do you

(08:46):
remember a couple of his name out there.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
You remember a couple of seasons ago and he ended
up having a good season when he came to camp
and there were conditioning issues. And I understand he's been
through a lot. You mentioned a hit problem. Oh, obviously
you give him a lot of room because of the
cancer last year for sure. So I think a lot
of people would find it surprising that they might be
souring on him. But I just go back a couple

(09:10):
of seasons. There's history there with the conditioning issues. Yeah,
would that be part of it?

Speaker 5 (09:14):
Yeah, I just they didn't want to sign him done.
They went to a number that they got forced to
go to a number with Joshua they didn't want to do,
which was three point two because he was going to
get three five, three six, three seven eight on the market.
They got scared and they signed it. They didn't want
to go there suit her. By the way, Don is
getting looked at by teams as a center and a
scoring winger as well, So I don't think a suitor

(09:34):
just hitting the market and getting a center spot. There
are teams looking for scoring wingers as well, and he
falls into He had twenty five goals done he falls
into that category. He is a winger and a goal.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
Was that a one off? Though?

Speaker 5 (09:46):
That's that's the scary shooting. What are they shooting? Percentage
was through the roof? I think it was eighteen percent.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
Don he got hot. He went on a heater and
now all these teams are after him, but I chance
as a suitor in Vancouver are limb. But he should
sign today or tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
Okay, So the other thing with Brock Besser, Derek, I'm
gonna throw a bit of a curveball, and I apologize
for that. But the top six that we showed yesterday,
that top six boarder, we still got it wit a chance.
There you go. If you can see that the Canucks
top six up front, you look at Besser on what
we feel is going to be their first line at least,

(10:25):
and I know Lions changed within the course of a game,
shift by ship, but this is what we're going with Petterson,
between Cain and Besser heatl We'll see what happens there
between nebrask and Carlan with Besser. And we heard this
as well that okay, you're trying to get a center,
but if you can't. You got to do something about

(10:45):
a top six forward, a winger, and Besser makes sense,
You can't. You can't. Look it looks like you can't
get yourself a top six center. So you got to
fill in around it. And Petterson needs somebody to play with,
somebody to pass to. I know it hasn't worked all
that well in the past. Besser was more of a
Miller guy. But yet you had to get something in

(11:08):
the top six and not somebody who has been pretty
productive over the last several years.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
Donnie, my biggest fear when you look at this chart.
If Besser doesn't get chemistry and Petterson, do you think
he's getting it with Heatel? Do you think he's Do
you see Hetel as a as a playmaking centerment.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
Well, let's go back to his debut.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
Well, Pavel Bray according to you, But Besser needs somebody
who can get him the puck. If it is not Petterson,
he's in trouble because his favorite centerment of Vancouver was J. T.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Miller. He's gone.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
J T.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
Miller's gone, Donny. If that Patterson does not get chemistry
with Besser, boy, oh boy, they're in trouble.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
They look and they could sign whoever. They could go
to eight rinks and sign nothing against the Beer leaguers
at one of them for a long time. Guys, everything
depends on I'll say it again, two things. That's your
damp goal. They sign, they extend him yesterday, his health
and Petterson bouncing back. So you can say, Okay, you

(12:06):
know Besser has to find chemistry with Peterson. It's up
to Petterson. I'm sorry, we've we've talked a lot about them,
we criticized him, but that's that is one of the
two keys to the season, along with Demko's health.

Speaker 5 (12:18):
You nailed it. You are one million percent right. And
if Petterson gets back to eighty ninety ninety five hundred points,
they're going.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
To have a good year.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
If he's stuck around forty forty five heatals never had
sixty seventy eighty ninety points, they're going to be in
trouble up the middle of the ice in terms of
creating offense and the power play done. If Petterson doesn't
figure it out, what's the power play going to look like?

Speaker 4 (12:38):
Okay, So we're running out of time in this segment, right,
Not right? Okay, I wanted to talk about what I
what approach I think the Canucks need to take. I'll
just go through this very quickly. I want to run
some Connor Garland clips later on because he had some
really interesting things to say. Hopefully we'll have time for that.
But you look at upfront, that's not that that the

(12:59):
upfront there not strong offensive. I'm sure they're not serviceable. Yeah,
right at this point, depending on what happens with Peterson,
where are they strong? They should be strong in goal, yes, right, yes,
with Lankanen and a healthy Thatcher damnco Okay, We'll see
what happens with Arthur Sea loss, okay, and then you've
got what may be the strength of their team, the

(13:21):
blue line anytime, led by Quinn Hughes and Philip Aronic.
And I got to go back to six oh seven Dave,
known as underrated GM in Knuck history. He was from
North Burnaby, by the way, that's why they acquire Roberta
Lauongo and nothing, not much was expected of that team.

(13:42):
They acquire Roberta la Wongo, they signed Willie Mitchell, and
they emphasized defense, and only four teams in the National
Hockey League that year allowed fewer goals in the Canucks.
Their goals for wasn't all that great in Lauongo and
he was the key. Of course, la Wongo ends up
being a art finalist, and as a finalist, Elin Vigno

(14:04):
Adams Award Coach of the Year. They they emphasized defense.
I don't know if this is Adam footz. By the way,
a lot of compliments for Adam Foot yesterday the role
he played in these signings. I don't know what his
plan is, but I look at that team back in
O seven they won the old Northwest Division over one
hundred points, and that was the toilet game in Anaheim

(14:24):
with the Luongo and they won that first round series
with a quadruple overtime again against the Dallas. It was
a pretty good season and it was all about defense,
and I wonder it's not the most exciting hockey, but
I wonder if maybe that's the plan this year, looking
at the strengths of that team.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
That's a good point.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
You know, well we'll look see what happens.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
Look at that top six. Do you see a ton
of goals?

Speaker 4 (14:43):
Don I don't?

Speaker 5 (14:45):
I depending on Petterson, well, no, depending I don't see
a ton of goals here. Garland hasn't been that top
six guy from start of the season to the end
of the season. Okay, is he going to bounce in
and out? We know they have no cap space.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
They're paying him six million, You.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
Can pay him ten million. He's never been a top
six full time center, but he brings so many other
good things. It's a great signing. Don't get me lost.
You putting in that touch thought, that's that's that was
got Oglander. Maybe that's why I'm telling you the goal
scoring might be an issue next year. Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
They had the NHL's best PK that year as well.
That's it was an underrated season. Yep, that's or maybe
one that people have forgotten about. And those were they
had had Mitchell, they had b x Salo, They had
a really strong defense that yearl Oland.

Speaker 5 (15:31):
And that helped build the base for twenty eleven.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
Yeah, Okay, here's what's coming up on the show, DTMZ.
Is it just me coming up in the eleven o'clock hour.
Craig Button is going to join us. Just after eleven.
You were criticizing Craig yesterday, Rick because of the Cameron
Schmidt situation. Craig had projected him to go in the
first round. He went to went to round three, so

(15:54):
you can rip into him about that. No, we kid
because we love big Rye the guitter guy. Coming up
later this hour, Jordan Newman is going to join us.
He is Thatcher Demko's agent, Thatcher committing himself to you guys.

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That's the only thing you know about That's I know
Newman that he was the chubby guy, right, yeah, that
guy yep, yep.

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And Jordan, well we recorded the basketball player, yeah right,
he's in shape. Thomas Drantz is going to join us
next to from the Athletic to talk more about the Cadducks.
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(18:18):
two five two three to two Canucks extending Connor Garland.
That's your demco. They keep Rock Besser, who was a
UFA here to talk about that in all matters Cannuck
from the Athletic Thomas drants a couple of days earlier
than usual, how are you.

Speaker 8 (18:36):
Doom well, gentlemen, thank you for having me. This is
my last hit of the season A so thanks again
for hosting me every week. It's been a blast.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
Yeah. And if we don't say it before the end
of this interview, Thomas, we can't thank you enough. Your
your your hits on this show'll always get a lot
of response. Absolutelysting for you, gentlemen. Yeahs out that hey
speaking a positive in our inbox, our Delaney's box, and
our emails. The reaction amongst most Canucks fans regarding you know,

(19:05):
keeping damp, goal keeping Garland keeping Besser has been positive.
Do you understand why? Well?

Speaker 8 (19:12):
I think the surprise a surprise to Brock Besser as well,
that the Canucks were able to pull him off the
market or early on Tuesday and get that done. I
think that's coloring a lot of it, right. I think
if Besser had walked, he's a huge fan favorite. This
market has connected to him emotionally, significantly over the course

(19:35):
of his career. You know, there's been the obviously well
publicized difficulties that he's had from a family health perspective,
and you know, Besser is for Canucks fans like our guy,
quote unquote, you know, And so I think the fact
that they were able to get that deal done right
at the death, right at the wire, at the eleventh hour,

(19:58):
I think that colors the perceptions of the fan base.
I think there's a sense of relief. I think there
is a sense of happiness for Brock Besser, and so
I think a lot of it stems from that, right
because I do think that the reaction would be different,
Donnie if the Canucks had extended Garland and Denco. But
Besser it's still walked, right. I think it's the parcel

(20:19):
of moves that is really coloring local perception. And I understand,
you know, we can get into like the individual bets themselves.
I liked that the team was proactive in their negotiations.
I think with the cap going up, going long, like
getting Garland done immediately, I think is good business for
this team, and honestly, every team in the NHL should

(20:41):
be signing guys now and locking in this market reality
as opposed to buying guys or kicking cans down the
road and dealing in two years with one hundred and
fifteen or one hundred and twenty or one hundred and
twenty eight million dollar cap environment as we go here.
So I like that side of it. There is a
part of me, however, that the you know, if you

(21:02):
if you have a chance to run it back with
a ninety point team for whom the vibes were off
last season and has missed the playoffs for the last
five years, you've got to do it right. Like, there
is a part of me that wonders why this club
is so intent on, you know, effectively opting for continuity

(21:23):
right as opposed to seeking something different, something hopefully maybe
a little bit more consistently successful. It's an unfinished product,
so the proof will be in the pudding. But clearly
this organization is comfortable betting on the guys that are
here to get it done with a new head coach
next season and we'll see how it turns out.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
Hey, Thomas, let's talk about the center position. What the
heck do they do now? Rutherford's on a podcast or
something back east. He just said that they'll make a
trade today if they if they can, like I mean,
in the next few hours, if they can to get
a centerman. They were in on Christian Devorak huge, like

(22:04):
massively huge.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
What have they heard?

Speaker 8 (22:06):
Multi year deal? They did, and I heard they made
a multi year offer.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
And they they they had Adam Foot and Connor Garland
they recruited to Vorak hard.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
They use those guys for recruitment.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
But listen to what do they do now if they
can't make a move, and then who can they move
to get a centerman.

Speaker 8 (22:25):
Look, it's complicated, first of all, even to sign you know,
one of those forwards that are center capable, right, which
is a favorite word of mine to describe a guy
who's a winger but can play center in a pinch.
You know, Pugh Suitor or Jack Rossovik still on the market,
for example. Like, even to engage with those guys, the

(22:45):
club would have to move out money most likely. I mean,
they can exceed the salary cap during the off season.
But you do that, everyone knows you're trying to shed
salary and all of a sudden your leverage is gone.
So even to even to shop in that sort of
mid tier UFA market for a guy who can play
center but maybe isn't a full time center. The club
would have to make moves to set that up. For sure,

(23:08):
adding a center remains this organization's priority. I don't know
if I get a sense of optimism that a deal
is close or anything, but the club certainly looks at
the roster that they have today on July second, and
thinks that this is still a work in progress, this
is incomplete. They're comfortable with their options. They're comfortable with
heatl and Au tou Ratu. You know, I would say

(23:30):
that atu Ratu, provided that he's able to train and
put this injury that he had in the playoffs behind him,
he has only got a couple months, right, but provided
that he's able to have another good summer. Like I
don't just think that he's got the inside track for
a full time NHL job, right, I think he'd have
to lose it actively, right. I Mean, this is a

(23:51):
team that's planning to have atu Ratu in the top nine,
and that's sort of where they sit there. They're going
to explore their options on the trade market, and in
the event that the right fit shakes loose here, which
you know, I think they're hopeful of, but I wouldn't
put a timeline on you know, then they're prepared to
shed the necessary cap space to make that work. But
I'd be a little bit surprised if they circle back

(24:13):
at that sort of suitor rosselvictire very seriously, at least
at the current price point. I think they're you know,
in terms of their posture and the unrestricted free agent
market at this juncture, and they and they're pressed up
against the cap, they'd have to move money out to
take money in.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Really, you know, I do think.

Speaker 8 (24:28):
They're more likely to be a little bit patient here,
let the market sort itself out and value hunt as
they frequently do once prices go down a little bit.

Speaker 5 (24:39):
So we're told the UFAs don't want to sign here.
Cannucks weren't on many UFA players destination lists, but all
of a sudden, bess are Garland and dem Goo want
to sign here. It's just just so weird that these guys,
you know, had the opportunity to leave Vancouver as UFAs
and they want to stick around, but UFA's don't want
to come here.

Speaker 8 (25:00):
Well, UFAs don't want to leave, period Rick. I mean
I would say that that shaped the entire offseason market.
I mean, you know, this was a surprising unrestricted free
agent process for me to watch unfold from the outside,
in part because I thought the numbers had an opportunity
to get really silly, like to really detonate our previous expectations.

(25:20):
And I think some did. But I thought it would
be across the board. You know, every guy was going
to be just throw two million on to what you'd
expect that player to earn given the role that they play.
You know, that didn't really occur, and then we see
all this sort of odd stuff where it's like Mikhail
Granlin signs for seven million in Anaheim and Aaron Eklad

(25:42):
gets six point one in Florida, and that makes sense
to everybody.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
That makes sense to.

Speaker 8 (25:47):
Everybody, right, Like, no, of course it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
Right.

Speaker 8 (25:50):
It's not a super efficient marketplace players. I think, almost
across the board, whether it's to Shane Tabares, the Florida
Panthers trio, are Able brock Besser, you know, like universal
across the league, players opted to remain where they're comfortable,
remain where they're happy, and if that cost them, you know,

(26:10):
a million here, a million there, a year or two
of term players. Generally speaking, we're pretty comfortable with that.
We're comfortable making that decision and prioritizing other things, And
that has massive implications, I think in terms of overall strategy.
I think it has massive implications in terms of you know,
I'm sure what the PA is gonna do to try

(26:32):
and educate their members on the benefits of chasing bigger comparables.
It's gonna make it harder for these teams like you know,
Chicago and San Jose to use their cap space in
a way that allows them to close the gap with
the rest of the league. How about the fact that
Florida kept all their guys, Mitch Marner goes to Vegas
and Carolina appears to be the clubhouse leader for elers, right,

(26:54):
I mean, is this is this a system that's driving
a parody of outcomes gentlemen? Or is this going to
make the rich richer and the middle class even more
stuck in NHL terms? Now, there are implications of this
for you know, the local anxiety about Quinn Hughes, right,
which is that generally speaking, and almost across the board

(27:16):
in this league, players didn't want to move. Players wanted
to stay where they were comfortable. So that's something to
just keep in mind as we frame that conversation, which
I'm sure we'll only have about sixty more times over
the course of the next what four or five months.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yeah, and Thomas, quickly, you're right, but quickly you face
staying with their old teams. Are we going to see
more of that with the cap going up when there's
when there's when there's more room, Will that play into
it as well?

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Again quickly, Yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (27:44):
I think it will because with the old system, you know,
like you'd be facing the Toronto maple Leafs with Zach Hyman,
would be facing a decision and they just say, hey,
we we can't afford it. We have to try and
replace this guy affordably. And now you have the ability
to retain your talent. So teams are going to be
able to keep their players. Fewer players are going to
shake loose, and the competition for those players is going

(28:07):
to be absolutely fierce. It's a fascinating, rapidly shifting dynamic,
and I think in some ways it's going to take,
you know, a few years for us to really grasp
all the implications and understand all of the rhythms of
what this league looks like in an era of steady
cap growth.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
Again Thomas, who can't thank you enough another outstanding year
contributing to Donnie and Dully the team on check.

Speaker 8 (28:32):
Well, it's always my pleasure, gentlemen. You'd be well enjoy
your well deserved summers.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
And by the way, I know if you heard it,
we are back in September, not twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, all right, just so wicked love it?

Speaker 4 (28:45):
Okay, thanks Thomas us Thomas grants from the athletic And yeah,
you think about Tavares and Besser and the three Panthers. Oh,
the sticking around and the teams have now that the
cap is going up and continue to The plan is
for it to continue to go up. Team's gonna keep
their own players. Did the pendulum swing to the players?

Speaker 5 (29:07):
Donnie? The teams can't afford to lose these guys. If
they would have lost Bester, how would they replace him?
How would they replace Suitor? You keep your guys and
then you don't have to worry about that. You have
to overpay, but that's life.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
Craig Button's going to join us at the top of
the eleven o'clock hour in the meantime and we have
business right now. No, we don't in the meantime. Up next,
Thatcher Demko's agent. Thatcher committing himself to the Vancouver Canuckts
three year extension yesterday. That we heard about. His agent
is Jordan Newman. He's going to join us. Next Donnie Delly,
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Baseball dot com or call six or four eight seven
two five two three two. Jordan Newman is with Edge
Sports Management. He's an NHL player agent. Among his clients
Thatcher Dempco, who has agreed to a three year extension
with the Vancouver Canucks with an average annual value of
eight point five million dollars. He's a busy man, but

(31:22):
he's joining us now. Jordan, Thanks for doing this, sir.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
How are you.

Speaker 9 (31:27):
No problem? Doing really well?

Speaker 1 (31:28):
How you guys doing very well?

Speaker 4 (31:30):
How would you describe the negotiations between yourself, Thatcher and
the Vancouver Canucks. How'd it go?

Speaker 9 (31:37):
You know what it was?

Speaker 10 (31:38):
It was slow to start and then really once we
got going, I would say things were were relatively smooth.
I think Jim and I have known each other for many,
many years. We had one or two really good conversations.
I think we both got got comfortable with the idea
that each side was going to kind of sort of
give up something, which is the essence of a negotiation,

(31:58):
and once we both were comfortable and agreed with that,
I thought it went pretty well.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
What should we read into the three year term, Jordan.

Speaker 10 (32:08):
I think more than anything, it was really important to
Thatcher that he signed an extension, simply because he views
himself as a little bit of a lynchpin, kind of
a symbol to the rest of the group that hey, guys,
we're all in this, you know, let's let let's see
if we can get together and win here. So I
think it was really important that he that he did extend,
And obviously it kind of had the desire to result

(32:30):
already based on a couple of.

Speaker 9 (32:32):
The signings yesterday today at the same.

Speaker 10 (32:36):
Time, in order to get paid what we believe was fair,
knowing that we believe Thatcher to be one of the
best goals in the world, we had to sacrifice a
little bit of something term wise, But in the end
it was something we're very comfortable doing.

Speaker 9 (32:50):
He'll be back at the table at thirty three years old.

Speaker 10 (32:52):
So I think it was I think it was a
really like I said, a really just result for everybody.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
Yeah, Okay, Jordan, you know the big question here, the
big question here in Vancouver when it comes to thatcher,
what can you tell us about his health?

Speaker 10 (33:06):
I mean, I certainly don't like to talk about other
clients' health, but what I can tell you is he
is one hundred percent.

Speaker 9 (33:12):
I was out there visiting with him two weeks ago.

Speaker 10 (33:14):
He's already begun skating as part of his off off
season program, which he's never really done this early.

Speaker 9 (33:20):
He feels great. He is not restricted in any way.

Speaker 10 (33:23):
It's the first summer in a long time where he's
not doing any rehab of any kind, and I think
it gives him just tremendous optimism and excitement moving forward,
which was another reason why he was very comfortable doing
a shorter term.

Speaker 5 (33:37):
Hey, Jordan, you know people talk about the can he's
been with this corps and they've lost a lot, a lot.
And I've asked you this personally, Like, I mean, he
went to you and said, get it done in Vancouver.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
What does he like about Vancouver so much?

Speaker 9 (33:51):
Yeah? I tell you have to ask thatcher that question.

Speaker 10 (33:54):
But what I can say is he is the most loyal,
I mean, fiercely loyal person that you'd ever meet. And
from the very beginning he's always felt which is a
little different than that I think most athletes. He's always
felt a certain obligation, if you will, that he owes
this franchise, he owes this organization, he owes these fans,
he owes his teammates everything he has to try.

Speaker 9 (34:16):
To win there.

Speaker 10 (34:17):
And so he's just never been a is the grass
greener kind of guy.

Speaker 9 (34:21):
He never has been.

Speaker 10 (34:22):
And you know, we had a conversation about, you know,
playing the contract out and then going to free agency,
maybe finding a place closer to home, potentially making more money,
and he had no interest in it whatsoever. From the
very beginning, he wants to win in Vancouver. It means
the world to him. He feels he feels that obligation

(34:42):
very very strongly. I think he's in part of that
obligation on his teammates. I think they know how he feels.
And he just has a tremendous pride in his job.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Did you get the sense that's right?

Speaker 9 (34:54):
An answer?

Speaker 5 (34:55):
Yeah, No, it's a great answer. Did you get the
sense because you saw the reports. I know you love
connects to but you saw you saw people saying if
you didn't get this deal done by July first, that
the Canucks could have possibly traded a Thatcher.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Was there a heat to get it done quick?

Speaker 9 (35:14):
I never felt that way.

Speaker 10 (35:15):
I've had I've had a very open dialogue with Patrick
and Jim for for a long long time. I never
felt that way at all. You know, in any of
these situations, player can always be traded if because no
move clause at any point.

Speaker 9 (35:30):
But I didn't feel that way. I felt it was
important to Thatcher to get.

Speaker 10 (35:35):
The deal done by July one, like I said, because
I thought I think he felt it would help get
other players on board and help move this program forward.

Speaker 9 (35:45):
I think that was that was the biggest reason to
do it this way.

Speaker 10 (35:49):
But no, I know I and you also can't get
caught up in reading social media and following that stuff either.

Speaker 5 (35:54):
This is the first time we've talked to you since
the populatias.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Uh, Jordan, Uh?

Speaker 5 (35:59):
What was that all about? Why did it take so long?
And you know what was what was up with that?

Speaker 9 (36:06):
First of all, I'm still trying to figure out how
to pronounce it. That's the first we got it.

Speaker 10 (36:12):
But I honestly, I think it's it's it's it's a
fluky thing. It's really not happened to a hockey player before.
So we really can't answer the question as far as
why it took so long, because it was really it
was a hurry up and wait kind of a situation.

Speaker 9 (36:27):
Nobody works harder than that.

Speaker 10 (36:29):
I've never seen more identication, more effort in the gym,
to do everything humanly possible to get it back to
one hundred percent.

Speaker 9 (36:39):
But in the end, we just had to wait.

Speaker 10 (36:41):
We just had to wait till till his body said, Okay,
I'm good now that we're past that point. I don't
anticipate it knock on wood ever being an issue again.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
How's your populateas Jordan?

Speaker 9 (36:55):
My palpats is okay.

Speaker 10 (36:57):
I have torn my calf muscle though, so I'm having
some trouble over here.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
How that happened?

Speaker 9 (37:04):
Basketball and old age bad combination?

Speaker 4 (37:07):
Yea, I hear you trust me, both of us. Hey, listen,
what's with you and goaltenders? On top of Thatcher Dempko,
you've got camp Talbot and Spencer night Casey to Smith,
what's with you and goalies?

Speaker 10 (37:22):
You know what, I've got a pretty big bald spot
that wasn't this big twenty years ago. That's the only
thing I can tell you about that. All big time,
big time.

Speaker 7 (37:32):
You know.

Speaker 10 (37:33):
The what I always say about representing goalies is you're
actually kind of rooting your life away. When the game starts,
you're just praying the next two and a half hours
goes by. You know, if you've got a forward and
he's got a point in the game, doesn't really matter how.

Speaker 9 (37:48):
The rest of the game goes.

Speaker 10 (37:49):
But when it's a goal, you're fully invested for the
full sixty and it takes years off your life, There's
no doubt about it. But you know what, over the years,
I do feel like goalies require a little bit of
a different touch in the representation. I just feel like
it's something we've my partner George Bezos and I have
just been really really good at and and we've had
a real, real successful track record with it.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
One more, Jordany, if you don't mind uh Thatcher Dempko,
your client is a three year extansion with the Canucks.
A couple of years ago.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
He's a vesent, a finalist is he going to get back.

Speaker 9 (38:21):
There, no doubt about it.

Speaker 10 (38:26):
I could not have more faith and more confidence in
him right now. I was excited to go see it
with my own eyes and spend a few days with
them a couple of weeks ago. And I've got no doubt.
He's one hundred percent healthy. And as I've been saying
all along, when he's one hundred percent healthy, he is
one of, if not the best goal in the world.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
John, you're busy man, like I said earlier, and we
can't thank you enough for joining us. Thank you so much,
my friend.

Speaker 9 (38:50):
No problem, and I'll have a great day.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
Guys. Jordan Newman Newman Edge Management. Yeah, Thatcher Dempko is
the agent, and again we thank him for coming on.
We have to get to the pole question. We haven't
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Speaker 5 (39:18):
Reck all right, the Waddling Dog pop pole question. Which
of these four most recent Canuck moves are you most
impressed with you got the Besser signing, demp go Garland extensions,
the Cane trade. No surprise here, eleven hundred votes, ready
to hoping. It's popping. Eighty one percent say Besser and
no surprise whatsoever. One of the most popular players you

(39:40):
know of all time in Vancouver. He's been here nine years. He's,
you know, model draft pick on and off the ice.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
But people still thought he might leave, right. I think
that's where this comes from.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
If they don't lose out on Christian Devorac, if they
get Devorak, they wouldn't have got Besser.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
And they were in on devorc.

Speaker 4 (39:56):
They look at Devorak's numbers before they made the divorce
from on face Offs.

Speaker 5 (40:01):
They Garland played with them. Adam Foots got a relationship
with him. You know why they lost because Rick hockey
coach in Arizona. That's why they lost to department Donnie Faceoffs.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
And he signed with Philadelphia.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
Yeah he did shigne Philly. Rick hockey coach that one
year deal, a one year deal, but the number was too.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
High, was over five.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
If they would and they offered term, that tells you
they were serious. If they would have got divorac. Brock
Besser would not be here today. He would not be
doing this what he did this morning, you'd be doing
in another city.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
I'll tell you right now. And again, Devorak, but didn't
he end up on the fourth line with Montreal last
year that there were one points if if he was
on that poll instead of he's not getting eight? And again,
I know brock Bester is not the perfect hockey player,
but very popular and relatively speaking, pretty productive in his
time in Vancouver.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
Yeah, and Rutherford, by the way, took a little shot
at the Besser cap, saying that they knew that we
were willing to give seven Don for a long.

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Just before we get to big Ryot Twitter, Guy Delaney
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and Comos. Have you seen the Garland, Bester and Demco
Instagram post. This is a tight group, beautiful photos again.
I want to get this Connor Garland clip in later
on the show for sure. Despite what everybody thinks. It
seems like this group bs in the locker room aside

(42:54):
with a couple of players last season, is pretty tight,
and that played into yesterday's news, Big Rye. They got
to work on the nicknames, though, Gar disagreed, ever disagreeing
best I've come around on hockey nicknames. It's now so ridiculous.
They're just such easy nicknames that I kind of enjoy it,

(43:18):
Like how bad can they get?

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Talk footer? What I'm in to? Juice? What happened to
the big am the Golden Jet? Well, I look at
Roger McQueen lightning.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
It's not bad.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
I love that.

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I'll go away, of course, why because it's too good?

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Speaker 1 (44:05):
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Speaker 11 (44:07):
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Speaker 4 (44:11):
What are you saying about Derek?

Speaker 1 (44:13):
If there's free food around, it could be anything. Derek
will eat it. It could be anything he might have
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What can I say?

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Speaker 1 (44:32):
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Speaker 11 (44:35):
Okay, I want to shot kidding. I want to show
this photo. This is our good pal soap eat. Remember
we showed his photo last week as well. He's continuing there,
He's continuing his travels. But that's his d and d
hat Okay, look at this. He's enjoying a beer at
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(44:55):
then he says Oliver, which I'm assuming it's his son,
was taking part in the Onse copuitar hockey camp. Then
he says, have a great summer off fellas your good palace, Soapy.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
How about that best of luck to Oliver. Looks beautiful.

Speaker 11 (45:12):
It's a drink with a few right there. That water
looks fake. I don't think it is, but I mean,
that's just incredible.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Thank you, Soapy.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
We appreciate.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
We've got lots of other photos we'll get to we'll
get to them.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
As have you ever been to this? You ever seen
water like that? No?

Speaker 1 (45:27):
You yeah, what Dawson Creek or something? Yeah, Dawson Creek.
The water up there was frozen sloops.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
No, the Caribbean.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
I've never been there. It's just amazing. I can't afford this.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
I just sat and I looked at it for hours.
That's my vacation.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
You were on holiday and that's what you did.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
Hey, No, it's unbelieved.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
You see how you are still married. It's just incredible.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
At the meal, my wife was the same way. It's
it's it's like it should be a wonder of the
world when you see the water that color.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Well, Dolly hasn't been to Mexico the Caribbean three times.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
The watch the other side, Yeah, to watch the water
like that like the water from Vernon to Kelowna is
very nice. It's not like that though, No, it's it's
it's dark blue like that, I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
And Horsehoe Bay.

Speaker 5 (46:16):
You go around horse Bay, beautiful water there too.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
But it's not the same slobia.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Beautiful British Columbia has got beautiful water everywhere.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
Oh so you're upset at me. Meanwhile, I say, Kamloops
is as nice as Spain, and you guys are all over.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Me because again it's ridiculous. Okay.

Speaker 11 (46:33):
NHL free agency is ongoing. I want to mention this
because this is a local boy from Salmon Arm former
Canucks signing a contract but an hour ago. Yeah, sure,
Curtis Lazar, Edmonton, former Edmonton oil king. You signed with
the Oilers one year contract aa V of seven to
seventy five depth signing by the other But those.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
People can be reminded that he played for the Canucks.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
That whole thing was.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
And they cut him, yeah, six weeks in of the season,
which is that's how you get in the bad books
with agents, is when you give out three year deals
and get rid of the guy.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Six six weeks in.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
I've just done a lot of that lately.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
This management group.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
Yeah, Sprong whining. Yeah, another local, the guy that went
to Chicago they got to pay for next year.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Jason Dickotson.

Speaker 5 (47:21):
No, no, uh no that the Russian McKay have. They've
signing guys and get rid of them. It's not a
good look. It's not explain what happened over the last
twenty four hours. Well yeah, but you know these guys
that signed it with the Canucks this week, they all
got no move clauses for the first three years. Garland
demp goo uh besser, no move, no move, no move,

(47:42):
So they ain't going anywhere.

Speaker 11 (47:43):
I maintained the NHL's got to do something. Not going anywhere,
But what the no move clauses. It's out of control.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
But you know if so, if if the two sides
aren't happy, you can you can work. Miller had a
no trade clause.

Speaker 11 (47:56):
Miller did, I get that, But I think it hampers
aid activity in your league because everybody gets a no
move clause because.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
It could be an attraction, it could be the deciding fact.
I know the team that you follow signing nobody.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
They can use it as a chip. I get that.
Can you just famously handed them out. I think everybody.
I think the trainer had a no move clause in
Vancouver with the way he was handing them out.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
I just first I had no move classe.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
See I had it with the trainer, and then you
tried to go with that. It didn't work, but good trick,
it did. Good try. Uh one guy, I don't know
if he has no move clause.

Speaker 11 (48:30):
This was signed yesterday, but we didn't get any play
because we were focused on the NHL. How about this
Taylor's good buddy SGA. Okay, hold on, look at this
two one hundred and eighty five million dollars for the
NBA MVP Shay Gilgess Alexander on a four year contract
in Oklahoma City, the.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
Highest one million a year.

Speaker 11 (48:53):
So here, I've got another tweet. It's the highest AAV
in the league. He's got the richest contract. Okay, here's
the break down courtesy bleacher Report. Seventy one point twenty
five million dollars per year. You could break it down
all the way to two hundred two dollars and forty
five cents per second he's making per game. He's around

(49:15):
just a shade under nine hundred grand, eight hundred and
sixty eight thousand dollars per game. Shay is gonna get
on this next contract. I mean, like, and we we
were joking about this off the area yesterday, like you
know some of the contracts that were signed in the NHL,
and I know he's the league MVP, and we're gonna
see McDavid sign for probably twenty million right next year.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
Like it's not even close, but still it's gonna be
twenty But why would he play more than one year?

Speaker 11 (49:41):
Because you're a competitor to professional ablem He's got his
he's got his title, he's got an MVP, and he's
got a final year.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
And then off I Slovenia eleven the water seventy one million.
It's over seventy one million dollars. Just incredible, And.

Speaker 11 (49:55):
I mean, look at I still cannot get over the
fact that the Clippers traded this dude.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Yea that Paul George, say everything, all the pieces, all
the pieces the Clippers gave up to get Paul George.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
I often say that when I look at these contracts
these days, they go in one year or not the other.
It's a lot of money. It's a young guy and
he's good, good for him, and he's gonna have a
great life. Probably not that money is everything you you
always say that, yeah for a lot of people is yeah,
they're not buying it. But that one got everybody's attention.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Seventy one million a year.

Speaker 11 (50:27):
Like again, like let's say let's go and say McDavid
gets twenty million, he's the best player.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
In the league twenty million times.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Yeah, it's just it's wild. But anyway, that's I mean
that that.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
You know what what I think of that when it
comes to like hockey and how far behind it you look,
it's my favorite sport and how but it is far
behind salary wise. It's when players that you've never heard of,
players in the NBA and MLB who don't get much
playing time. We talked about Kelly Olynnox making moorer than Connor.

(51:00):
That's what blows me up. That SGA's that's good for business. Yeah,
like people go to see him. Right.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
Well, the NHL is lucky boy, they got their CBA
done because they can't afford.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Stuff like that. That's true. I mean a lot of
the order force.

Speaker 11 (51:14):
I mean, look, I'll be honestly, even Oklahoma City, like
the small market team that's a big, big number.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
Man, you're I know you were with me, you'd quit
after one year?

Speaker 1 (51:22):
No, I wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
Vacant injury or something you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Hey, well we don't. Speaking of the NBA. Damian Lillard,
he's your new idol.

Speaker 11 (51:30):
Cut by the Milwaukee Bucks. He's getting one hundred million
dollars by the Milwaukee Bucks. To not believe for them
he's getting He's getting paid all this money for them.
Not to That's the dream, not Sga. The dream is
get cut and still owed a bunch of money.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
That is the dream.

Speaker 11 (51:46):
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about that and more TSN and the draft as well.
TSN scouting director Craig Button, who I understand is in Milan.
Is that is that right, Craig?

Speaker 12 (52:58):
That is absolutely correct, Donnie. I'm here for the uh
Bruce Springsteen concert on July third, But so happened in
about twenty four hours a time from now, and it'says
last show on this tour. I love Springsteen. I've never
seen him in Europe. So I said I'm going, and
so I flew out, flew out last night from Toronto,

(53:18):
took the trains from Rome up to Milan, and here
we are ready to go.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
Are you one of these people?

Speaker 3 (53:23):
And I've got number, there's my number. See my numbers.
So so that's the we're going to be. So you
got to you got to register, so hopefully we get
the right numbers.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
Well Uh, Craig, are you one of these people that?
And I've got friends like this who have seen Bruce
Springsteen five million times.

Speaker 12 (53:41):
I'm not in that category, but I've seen him quite
a bit. And you got to keep in mind, Donnie,
we're old, like rick'sy young guy. You're a little bit older.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Yeah you are, Rick, You're young, but Donnie had a
little bit older.

Speaker 12 (53:53):
So Springsteen has been around since the mid seventies or
even a little bit earlier. So we've had a lot
of opportunity to see him over the years, and a
lot of different albums, a lot of different tours, so
you know, even though you see him lots.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
We were talking fifty years.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
Now, so some kind of fan base there. Hey, you
mentioned being in Toronto yesterday. How emotional was that yesterday
saying goodbye to Bob McKenzie as he retires.

Speaker 12 (54:16):
Yeah, I think, well, I think that Bob said goodbye
to a country, Donnie. I mean, you think about what
Bob did. I mean, Bob was always a calming voice
for a country when things may not have been going well.
Well for a team candidate at the Olympics or a
world junior team at the World Junior.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
And he always had that calm, mean sense about him.

Speaker 12 (54:36):
And what I see with Bob, and Bob's wonderful, he's great,
he's a dear friend, but he's content.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
I don't see somebody that's got regrets.

Speaker 12 (54:44):
I think that when you can go out on your
own terms and on your own timeline, and you know,
the last five years and he's been, he hasn't been.
I mean, you call what Bob McKenzie does part time,
it's not really part time, Donnie, because you can't be
part time in that job, but isn't doing as much.
And I think that that really eased them into saying
it's time. But I mean, what a wonderful And I

(55:06):
thought he nailed it. I thought when he said it's
about the people, and let's not forget we talk about hockey.
The fans in our country love it and we try
to provide perspective and thoughts and whatever we have. And
you know, when when you talk about Bob, you're talking
about somebody that's irreplaceable.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
And certainly we'll feel it at TSM, but the country
will feel it too.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (55:27):
What did you think of the Canucks work in the
last few days? Besser Garland dempco All extended, what'd you
think of bringing those key guys back?

Speaker 4 (55:36):
Great?

Speaker 12 (55:37):
Okay, So I'm going to get into the into the
three players in just a quick second, right.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
But you know what pleased me the most because I'm
so sick and tired.

Speaker 12 (55:45):
Of hearing how all the American players don't want to
play in Canada, American players always looking and I'm going,
wait a second here, Besser resigns Gonner it stands, Dempto extends.
Really three American guys. Brock Besser loves playing in Vancouver office,
Demko loves playing in there.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
So does Connor Garland. So I think that that is,
let's just spell.

Speaker 12 (56:05):
With that stupid narrative. That's number one, number two. I
think it's really nice, tidy It's not tidy work. I
think it's important work that Patrick Alvin and the Vancouver
Canucks were able to execute. I mean, we know when
thatcher Denko is healthy, he's a top notch goalie. Three
year term, I think it's I think it's good. I
think it's a really good term for thatcher Denko. Connor

(56:28):
Garland at six million, I mean.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
He's wired to win and brought best. I don't know
where you find these guys.

Speaker 12 (56:33):
And you know, when you realize what you have is
sometimes when you don't have it anymore. And I think
for the Vancouver Canucks, they took that step back. They
evaluate and they go, wait a second, here, we got
good players. Where are we going to go find players
that are commensurate and ability and commensurate with dollars? And
I think it was just really strong work by the

(56:54):
Vancouver Canucks, and you know, coming on the heels of
them winning in the American Hockey League with Abbotsford, I
think that it's really positive. Now for the entire Finex organization.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
Greg Cameron Schmidt drops to the third round, What the
heck is going on?

Speaker 8 (57:10):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (57:10):
Is it just simply the fact he's five eight Craig.
I mean, the bottom line there has to be that.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
It is and and then there's no question about it.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Rick.

Speaker 12 (57:20):
I mean, the guy's a Dinamo, you know what I
think about him. I know if you guys think about him.
But you know, people want to look at the tape
measure and they go on these five ages, Oh my god,
he's got skills that are right up there with the
very best players in this tract and you know he
if I know Cameron and I think I haven't watched
him for the number of years I've watched him and
really like him as a guy. I think that he

(57:42):
will find his way to the NHL and sometime here
in the in the in the next few years. How
did the Dallas Stars get Cameron Schmid in the third round?

Speaker 13 (57:50):
That's what?

Speaker 12 (57:51):
How did the tab Lightning get bradon Point in the
third round? Like how to tuture off go late in
the second round?

Speaker 3 (57:57):
We all know the answer. We all know the answer.

Speaker 12 (58:00):
This is going to be the answer again with Cameron Schmidt.
But good for the Dallas Stars who don't get caught
up in that type of thing. We know what they
did drafting the logan Stan Covid and how he turned out,
and obviously he signs a long term contract in Carolina.
And I believe that what Camberon Schmidt brings to the game,
not just in skill but in competitive spirit. He'll be

(58:20):
an NHL player and teams will be regretting passing him.

Speaker 5 (58:24):
By Craig, over two hundred players drafted only thirty hunder
six feet tall. There's a CHL draft today. Some kid
was seven feet tall. He went in the draft today.
You scouts love size.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
You know that.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
Great, I'm not caught up in size wreck.

Speaker 12 (58:39):
You can say that like the scouts tap into it
and everything and I get it right. Like, I don't
know if I've ever said this on the show or
to you guys, but I think one of the dumbest
comments I ever hear in any type of draft analysis.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
You can't teach size.

Speaker 12 (58:55):
Yeah, like you're not You're not looking like you're looking
at everything being with respect to their skills. What translates
to the NHL skating puck handley the ability to think
the game and process at high rates of speed.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
That's what it's about.

Speaker 12 (59:12):
Now, everything being equal, you're going to take the bigger
player over the smaller players.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Here's the truth. Rarely is everything equal.

Speaker 12 (59:20):
So you better start overlooking a guy that it might
not be as tall as somebody that's bigger. I tell
you a story, Berendan Morrell. We drafted in the first
round in Dallas, and we had a couple of teams
that we knew we were interested them. I think we
drafted on twenty six or twenty seventh somewhere in there. Anyway,
we had a couple of teams come up to us

(59:42):
that we knew like them or so called like them,
and said, yeah, he's not a bad player.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Yeah, but five eleven, five eleven, and we would just laugh.
We would literally laugh and just go, okay, you just
and I'm not gonna mention.

Speaker 12 (59:56):
You go back and look through the draft and you
can see the failed failure the teams had, and you
can see that they didn't come close to drafting a
good player because they got caught.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Off on the side.

Speaker 12 (01:00:06):
That's what happens, Rich. And here's the thing too, Rick,
is that teams don't learn. Teams don't learn. How can
you continue to be so stupid?

Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
Yeah, okay, Craig, before you let you go, and this
is our last hit for the summer, and we'll get
around to thank you for your work. But the great
Alex delvakio less at the age of ninety three, what
do you remember about him? Thirty eighth all time in
NHL points.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Yeah, I was lucky.

Speaker 12 (01:00:34):
You know, my dad took me to the old Olympia
and Alex Delekiel was playing, and you know, I was
I'm going to say it was about eight or nine
years old, but I remember, like there's certain memories you
start to have as a young player.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Gordie Howe had Gordie Howe.

Speaker 12 (01:00:51):
Had retired and Alex was playing, and I mean he
had come into Pittsburgh to play, and so you watch
this guy. What I remember is the eyes with no helmets,
of the gray hair, and how well quoff they were
as they came.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
And played the game.

Speaker 12 (01:01:05):
I was always amazed the bull like, what do you
mean how their hair was? But you just remember somebody
that Detroit. Alex Tavechio was the elegance of the Detroit
Red Wings. Bellevau was the elegance of of the Montreal Canadians.
That's what I recall about Marcel Pronovo, who I knew

(01:01:26):
really really well and played with Alex and Detroit. And
to hear those guys talk about those players, I mean
I just used to sit there in silence. I know
that people find that hard to believe that I could
be silent, but I was to just hear those people
talk about it. And I lived at Michigan and I
got taken into the Red Wings alumni room mat Alex

(01:01:47):
Tavechio a number of times. And so even though it
was young memory, a young person's memories of him playing.
Those memories are still strong. But everything to hear from
his teammates and then after the to meet him in
the Red Wings alumni room really special.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
Yeah, number ten retired by the Red Wings, A longtime captain,
was a coach GM and Craig, I'll just say one thing.
It's funny you mentioned that I remember watching him as
a kid. Same thing that the hair perfectly quaffed.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
I want one word for you, real cream.

Speaker 12 (01:02:19):
Yeah, but why didn't I mean, why didn't they all
have real cream commercials?

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
I mean we all know that, Maurice Rockett.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
Why. Okay, Well, with that in mind, Craig, I'll say
this as we say goodbye to you for the summer.
Two minutes for looking so good.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Craig, there would go Greasi formula maybe on the gray now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Yeah, there's three people out there who got that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
Craig again, thanks for your work all summer with us,
all winter for us. We can't thank you enough. Wow.

Speaker 12 (01:02:50):
I really appreciate you guys. It's always a joy and
a pleasure. I always look forward to Tuesdays. Today's Wednesday
after Canada Day just always stopped and you talk about people.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
That are really good at their jobs.

Speaker 12 (01:03:02):
That's you two guys that you guys are all classed
just like Alex Stivet feelings.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
Enjoy the boss. Thanks Craig, Thank you appreciate it, Craig
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Speaker 5 (01:04:17):
Rick Oh Waddling dog pop pole question and it is
which one of these four most recent Canucks moves.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Are you most impressive?

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
We're best are signing and you had the Den Dempco
and Garland extensions and then the Cane trade. Boy, oh boy,
Brock is just running away with this one percent and
fourteen hundred votes already, no surprise at all, Brock running
away with it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
I said. Alex Delvecchio was thirty eighth all time at points.
He's actually thirty ninth. Jerome mcginnla is thirty eight twelve
hundred and eighty one NHL points. Wow, silver fox, Alex.
He was a great player, leaving us at the age
of ninety three. Overshadowed, of course, playing on the same
line for so long with the late great Gordy Howe.

(01:05:02):
Wasn't a bad hockey player.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Two.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
Yeah, okay, we haven't talked about the comen is one
thing we haven't talked about. The Cannucks preseason schedule has dropped.
As the kids say, let's take a look at it.
Six games. It starts Sunday, September twenty. First, they'll be
here before you know it. Against the Kraken to Seattle.
They played them a couple of times during the preseason.

Speaker 5 (01:05:25):
Yeah, you got the flames in there the owners obviously regionally.
Back in the day, Donnie, they needed training camp to
get in shape. Now these kids have to show up
to the two three day training camp in shape, be
ready to go, and then you might have an opportunity
to play in these games. But I still like to
see it cut down down and there's no need for this.
It will be games eight four. But back in the day,

(01:05:48):
as you we covered trainers eleven or twelve, eleven or
twelve and the guys drank beer all summer and they
use training camp to get in shape and not anymore
these kids.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
But preseason games are different. They didn't all playback, they
didn't know play that. But these kids now they're working
out twelve months of the year. They have to be ready.

Speaker 5 (01:06:05):
You can't be busted like Sammy Blaze for being out
of shape.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
First home game, by the way, home in air quotes
is in Abbotsford on the twenty four at that Wednesday.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
Game, okay against Calgary. I remember preseason games against the Islanders.
I remember the goal where the Pavla Burry's famous goal
where he kicked the puck up to a stick Boston
was against Boston A preseason game at Austin, Beca. I
think it was the first season wearing ninety.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Six preseason against Boston. And then the other thing that
the Cannucks would also always have back.

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
Then, going way back, as you know, I'm a little
bit older, but always have preseason games against La because
the Kings for years and years and years had their
training camp in Victoria. Yeah, they did put that in
your pipe and smoke it a little fact But why
do you roll your eyes?

Speaker 11 (01:06:57):
That's fine, that's a really nice factoid you got going there.
My beef with the thing is more like you see
that schedule, so it's six games. Some teams are playing eight,
so they only got six. Look at the space, like
the space you have two days off between games.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
What's the big deal is?

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Why is it to go about that? But get the
thing over with, Like it starts with the twenty first,
it ends in October third.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
What are we doing?

Speaker 11 (01:07:22):
Yeah, like it's just dragging it out. Nobody cares about
the preseason. Like we talked about this before the show yesterday.
Can you imagine if you're a Florida Panther getting excited
about the preseason.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
Okay, that means I think the Canucks are still recovering
from the twenty eleven Stanley Cup hangling. Somehow the Panthers
have been able to be okay, come about that they've
managed to overcome it three years in a row.

Speaker 11 (01:07:45):
I just like, even if they cut this down in
the next CBA they able to four games, Fine, what's
the timeframe of those four games?

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Fourteen days?

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
Moving on? I wanted to run this, okay, because the
one thing that surprised me over the last forty eight hours,
and I don't think I'm the only one surprised by this.
And Craig touched on this, the American players committing to
a Canadian franchise, Garland, Demko, Besser. Three American players committing
to an American franchise. You know who else is American? Quinn?

(01:08:16):
He is You think this would bode well for him?
Him sticking around. They're they're a close team, and I
think that's what has surprised me is that they've, especially
Connor Garland have and Besser did too. They've they've gone
out of their way to talk about how close they
are as a group. Despite what we heard last year
about the dressing room and Peterson versus Miller. But it's

(01:08:40):
a tight knit group. And here's Connor Garland yesterday on
that subject.

Speaker 13 (01:08:46):
We're a really tight group. I mean we you know,
we we had you know, went on a trip from
is Styles in game after the season ended, and you know,
just being on that on on that trip with that
with a group of guys that a lot of them
are returning, it's just, you know, it's a really neck
group that wants to win and enjoys being around each
other each and every day, and you know, we have
a lot of fun on the road. And it's kind
of how I talked about it with brock Is. You know,

(01:09:08):
he signed for seven years. I mean, you know, we're
with that group for a long time. We're gonna have
a lot of fun, and you know we're gonna try
to win with that group, and that's something special to
be on the same team and with the same guys
for extended period of time.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
You know, it's just it's just we're really.

Speaker 13 (01:09:22):
Excited about sticking with each other for this for probably.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
You know, the next bit of our career. There seems
to be so much dysfunction with this group, but there
was to amage yesterday they all talked about how how
tight they are. Did that surprise you as well?

Speaker 5 (01:09:37):
Two guys weren't tight. We know that these guys are.
Maybe these guys help Quinn. They got, you know, here,
here's the great thing. They got a year and a
half to work on.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
Quinn.

Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
Quinn, Quinn, Quinn Quinn. But again, I'm going to keep
telling you the only way Quinn stays is if they
start winning, do things proper, the culture's right, and quit
the chaos, the soap opera crap. He you know, nobody
likes that stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
Well, a couple of things, well, there were a few
things that stuck out yesterday, them talking about how tight
they are and how they are close friends. Again everything
colored by that Peterson Miller dynamic, and you just assume
that that wasn't the case. The other thing, Adam Foot
played a big part in these signings that Patrick Alvin
and Jim Ruththerford called on him a lot to talk

(01:10:21):
to the players to get the sense of the direction
that he was going going to employ his first season
as head coach the next year. The other thing too,
and Connor Garland, we don't have time for this clip,
but he talked about how this team, the core that's
been around for a bit is more focused on what

(01:10:43):
they feel is the reality of this team, and that's
the playoff stretch two seasons ago, when they won the
series against Nashville and took Evanton to seven games. I
get the feeling just listening to them talk that they
feel that's more and I know some players have left,
but they feel that's more indicative of this team than.

Speaker 5 (01:11:02):
The disaster that was last year. Absolutely, they have faith
or they wouldn't have signed on. And and just for
that crowd that rips the Canucks, oh they should have
signed Manny Mahultra. Oh, they made a big mistake. Brock
Besser and Demp Goo. And because I heard in the
Demp Goo negotiations Adam Food as well. He loves Adam Foot.
Garland loves Adam They got excited here, and Besser loves

(01:11:26):
Adam Foot. So for that crowd and these nutbars on Twitter,
the crowd that was saying, oh my goodness, they made
a massive mistake. They should have given it to Manny. Well,
three guys just re signed this week because of Adam Foot,
not Manny.

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
In part because Adam Foot like living in Vancouver. Just
play what people might think, Okay, look, I mean it's
one thing to talk now. We'll see what happens on
the ice come next season. But all indications are that,
you know, it's a Adam Foot looks like in terms
of player recruit in anyway, they like them as as

(01:12:01):
being the right choice. You got some business.

Speaker 5 (01:12:03):
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Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
You are corrects after spending time in Washington. Yeah, the
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Yeah, Well I brought that up and you said no, no,
that's Paneren and I said no, it's both, but.

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I didn't realize it was both.

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Vancouver Canucks signing and shockingly, it has to do with
an ex Penguin.

Speaker 11 (01:14:41):
Yeah, the Canucks andinazi moments ago, they've signed Pierre Olivier
Joseph defenseman to a one year deal with seven hundred
and seventy five thousand dollars. He was drafted by the Coyotes,
but Rutherford traded for him in Pittsburgh. So I know
that's surprising because they don't have any form of Penguins
on the roster currently, but Rutherford and Alvin bringing in

(01:15:04):
somebody that they are obviously familiar with.

Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
First round draft pick yeah, of the Coyotes back in
twenty seventeen, the Elias Petterson draft twenty third.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Overall, twenty four games last year.

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
Twenty four games. Actually, no, it would be forty seven
games last year, split between Saint Louis and Pittsburgh.

Speaker 5 (01:15:23):
Oh yeah, this could be Noad Juwlson's six seven guy.
One way. They didn't want to give Julison a one way.
He got his one way in Philly. This tells me
that this is your new six to seven guy because
it's a one way. So this is the guy essentially
that is going to replace Noah Juwlson as in case
injuries on the right side.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
This looks all though he is a left hander. Well
he's a lefty.

Speaker 5 (01:15:48):
Yeah, okay, but they're playing don't forget the young Peterson
on the right side.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
He's a lefty.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
Two.

Speaker 5 (01:15:53):
Maybe he's got a history in the pastor playing on
the right side. We'll keep an eye on it, but
it sure looks like that's to me a veteran guy
that can fill in on injuries.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Six to seven guy.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
That was a big trade of twenty nineteen. He was involved.
He went from the Coyotes with Alex Gilchanyak to Pittsburgh
for Dane Burk's round four pick in twenty twenty two
and Phil Kessel. So some significant names in there anyway.
So Pierre Olivier Joseph is your newest member of the

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Vancouver Cuducks. Born in Laval, Quebec. They produced their hockey players.

Speaker 5 (01:16:29):
And the key there is Johnny one way and that's
that kind of challenge you what they think of a
guy when they give a one way out.

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
Okay, let's get the birthdays then, Ryan, what do you think?

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Yep?

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
Let me just fire them up here and away we go.
We have seven birthdays on this July second, the day
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(01:17:03):
I'll get on that brock. Former Kamblo's Glazers center played
one game for the Blackhawks in ninety seven to ninety eight.
That was his only NHL game. He's now the head
coach of the Calgary Flames. Ryan Husker, there you go.
Nineteen eighty two Hoby Baker winner now Vegas Golden Knights

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President's President of the co Operation. You know what I didn't,
I'd forgotten he won the Hoby Baker One man.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
He remembers that he was a tough player.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
He was taught with the Rangers, former GM of the Capitols.
Of course with the Canucks front office. He was with
the Canucks when they went to the ninety fourth Downy
Cup Final. Ye, so you know I like him Ryan.
He's part of that ninety four team. London Nights Center
drafted twentieth overall by the Blues in twenty seventeen as
a rookie, helped the Blues win the Cup in twenty nineteen.

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Bobby Tommy let the Blues and points last two seasons.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Robert Thomas.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
That Bobby Tommy, Yeah, really, you're doing Robert Thomas.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
You also sometimes Moonlights is the lead singer of Match
Marks twenty. That's the easy clue, man.

Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
You don't think Bobby Bobby Tommy, No, I would have
done easy. I mean right, Australia, I should have put
that in though. Australian actress portrayed Tanya Harding and im
what's your name?

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
Sharon Tait and Once Upon a Time Wolf and Wall Street,
m R. Margot, Robbie Margot, Robbie Barbie two.

Speaker 4 (01:18:41):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
You know what.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
I didn't mind Bob Barbie.

Speaker 5 (01:18:45):
Thanks, no, thanks, no, thanks, no suicide squad. I can't
really imagine Dolly while watching Barbie. I know the Barbie song,
You're gonna be my Barbie? That Barbie song Aqua aqua
close a farm or something equal is the man? Yeah,
I'm about the girl with the kids. Yeah, the Barbie shong.

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You know what.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
I'd rather watch the movie than listen to that song.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
American actress Sucks.

Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
American actress and singer starred as Katie Herron and Mean Girls,
Freaky Friday, parent Trap. Yeah's your little hand? Co creator
of Seinfeld, creator and star of Curby Enthusiasm.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Larry David Man don't well, just like Larry David you
disgusted hockey fan. Hockey fan.

Speaker 4 (01:19:34):
I can't give you. I can't give you marks for
your grunt.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
There it's Larry David. Didn't you have an incident of shack?

Speaker 9 (01:19:41):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:19:42):
That was so good?

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Do you watch kurbyah?

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
Anybody? Oh my god?

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Why would you watch Carve if he doesn't watch Seinfeld's.

Speaker 4 (01:19:49):
Seinfeld was swearing, it's so good. It's so good. Leon,
former Athletics outfielder d h Born in Cuba, al Rookie
of the Year in nineteen eighty six. Come on al
MVP eighty eight. Jose there you go. Yeah. Yeah, when
you think of jose Canseko, what's the first play that

(01:20:11):
comes to mind? And it's not really fair?

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
Wasn't it the bounce off his head?

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
Ball bouncing off his head into the stands? Home run?

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
Was that here? What's the famous play at not Bailey Stadium.

Speaker 4 (01:20:23):
Rodney McCrae running through the fence. That's not even no,
but that was.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
Yeah, it's always on the TSN.

Speaker 4 (01:20:31):
They made a babblehead of that moment, him running through
the four. Yeah. Really yeah, I think I've got that right.
I say that a lot of these days. There's a
there's a lot of stuff going on up here. Okay,
Larry David Good is it just me? Is coming up
and again? Pierre Olivier Joseph new member of the Vancouver Canucks.

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Speaker 9 (01:21:17):
Is it just me?

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Late US move by the Canucks signing defenseman Canadian defenseman
from Quebec, left handed Pierre Olivier Joseph played for the Coyotes,
played for the Penguins, played for the Blues.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
Is it just me?

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
Rick? All right?

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
Here we go?

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
Is it just me?

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
But?

Speaker 5 (01:22:15):
The re signing of Besser was great for the locker
room culture, no question, But who's gonna pass through the puck?
Desperately need a play driving center and Nick and Newest. Absolutely,
if Besser doesn't work out with Patterson and heels the
number two center, boy, there's gonna be issues. Who's gonna
get Brock the puck? That's a big question. Big question.

Speaker 9 (01:22:38):
Is it just me?

Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
But do we not owe Greg and Yelletown some thanks?
I love stuff like this When Alex Devechio, it's history.
When Alex Davechio played his last NHL game November of
seventy three, he was second in all time NHL scoring
behind Cordiaa. He's now thirty ninth. As we talked about
earlier cover twenty six seventy three, he recorded his point

(01:23:00):
and assist on a Mickey Redbin goal in a eight
three loss in Vancouver, and people forget as great as
the Red Wings were with Alex de Vacchio early on
in the middle of his career, and as great as
they would become with Steve Eisman. There was a time
when Little Donnie saw them a lot because they were
so bad. When we got tickets, my brothers would go

(01:23:23):
see the but they would go see the Montreal Canadians.
The leaves and I was left with the Red Wings
and California Golden Seals tickets. They were they were very,
very poor then not because of Alex Devechio. He was
in the twilight of his career, but he leaves us
at the age of ninety three. Had a pretty good run,
but he got great history, great thanks to Greg.

Speaker 5 (01:23:43):
But absolutely, I guess the Vancouver fan base is content
with huvering run the playoff line with the same core.
Roger from Delta, that is a feeling out there. You're
bringing back the same band and expect the same results.
So I can understand, well, Roger from Delta.

Speaker 4 (01:23:59):
Say, hockey it tends to be a copycat group. Copycat
league teams are keeping their players with the cap going up,
so I guess you could look at that and say,
not a surprise that they're keeping this group together. And again,
these players I'm reading between the Lions here focused more

(01:24:22):
on what they did a couple of seasons ago, and
I know there are different players now, some of them anyway,
versus what happened last year, which was pretty disastrous.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
No, boy, go ahead, is.

Speaker 4 (01:24:34):
It just me? Ria is right? Hockey players need to
do a better job at coming up with nicknames. Demer
has no originality. This is unsigned and I'm going the
I've complained about hockey nicknames for a long long time.
Now I'm of the belief that these nicknames are so
bad they're good. There is I kind of enjoy it.

(01:24:55):
I'd love to go back back to the days of
mister Hockey and the Big and the Golden Jet, the
road Runner all that. I don't think it's gonna happen,
But there's something just so bad about Demmer and guards
and Misi. I'm kind of enjoying it. I don't know why.

Speaker 5 (01:25:11):
The suit case Smith, Oh that was There was so
many good nicknames in the past. You don't see those anymore.
You just don't see them.

Speaker 13 (01:25:18):
Is it just me?

Speaker 5 (01:25:19):
But in a world where Michael Granlin, of all players,
make seven million, we have to stop complaining about eleven
point six for a number one center. Scott different term
and the Canucks were, you know, Michael Grantlin And when
they heard the seven number, the Canucks were quickly out
of Michael grant.

Speaker 12 (01:25:37):
Is it just me?

Speaker 4 (01:25:38):
On sign? I wish they would get rid of eleven six.
I didn't hear his name mentioned once with the tight
knit boys.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
That is true. You don't hear him with the tight
knit group.

Speaker 5 (01:25:50):
Well off season. I mean he spent some time in Vancouver.
But these guys are on the Instagram. What's it called Instagram?
They're all the Instagram and each other. You know they
went to see how are the Seattle area? I know Ryan,
you know the name of the course to golf after
the season was over. You know, Garland, co Besser, Tyler, Myers,

(01:26:10):
et cetera. Not just the American players, uh, to celebrate
myers one thousandth game. I didn't hear if Pete was
there or not. Maybe he was, I'm not sure. We
don't know if he was there or not. As to
brock speed, Brett Hall wasn't that fast. DJ Burnaby makes
a good point. Brett just nicely found a nice soft spot.
Got a oh yeah, look who he had. He had

(01:26:33):
a great center. Adam Oats not always okay, but I
fed him the puck. If you get open and your
centerment can't find you, you're in trouble. Holing Oats, holing outs?
Is it just me?

Speaker 4 (01:26:46):
But these crazy contracts just me? The average fans still
can't afford to go see these games live ticket prices,
they are out of control. And again those these crazy contracts,
the hockey ones anyway, paling and comparison to what SGA
signed for. You know Oklahoma City, OKC over seventy one
million dollars a year and.

Speaker 5 (01:27:08):
Guess who's paying for it? Well, this is unsigned, bang on.
You know who's paying for the TV contract. That's why
they can give him seventy one million because the TV
contract they probably get fifty million years.

Speaker 4 (01:27:18):
So you're saying ticket prices are okay, but.

Speaker 5 (01:27:20):
No, but I'm saying the TV contract allows them to
give stupid contracts like seventy one million of That's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Uh Rick, You're right.

Speaker 5 (01:27:29):
Kalamalka lake between Vernon and Kloona does have water like that.
It's the lake of many colors, white rock Troy sticking
up for me that that that water between Vernon and Kloona.
But it's not like the care Yeah, it's that beautiful.
It's beautiful water Kalamaka as I recall, and beautiful water.
It's clear.

Speaker 4 (01:27:49):
It's like it's like the clearest lake I've ever been in.

Speaker 5 (01:27:53):
Yeah, and going to Wister, what do you see on
your left side? Beautiful water beautiful water.

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
But maybe a different color than it's.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
A beautiful here, just like it is where that guy.

Speaker 4 (01:28:03):
Was Nbi Raj.

Speaker 9 (01:28:05):
Is it just me?

Speaker 4 (01:28:06):
But I will always argue that the worst position in
hockey is goalie parent whoa my kid is in net.
I don't even sit with the rest of the parents.
I usually hide in the corner.

Speaker 13 (01:28:17):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:28:17):
That is so bang on and it is so difficult,
to the point where you see players who have made
the National Hockey League, so goaltenders who are absolutely fabulous,
and whenever they isolate by camera their parents they're having
they're having a tough time. Every moment is tough. That

(01:28:38):
is I mean it's tough if you've got a kid
who's a defenseman or a forward, but goaltender, that's another
level of anxiety.

Speaker 5 (01:28:46):
No, that's a good point. I know a lot of
goalie dads. You do too, and they are nervous all the.

Speaker 4 (01:28:51):
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Doug poll Rick, all right, let's get her up the
Waterling Dog pop pole question wars.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
Of these four most recent.

Speaker 5 (01:29:59):
Canucks moves, are you most impressed with It's obvious Besser
signing eighty one percent Dempco extension, Garden extension, the cane
trade fifteen hundred votes. Are already it's hopping, it's bopping,
but Brock Besser, everybody's happy.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
Everybody loves the signing. Of brock Besser.

Speaker 4 (01:30:15):
I think a part of that is the element of surprise.
I guess he could be surprised by all of these
move but moves, But I don't think anybody expected brought
bess here to come back.

Speaker 5 (01:30:25):
They went to him at the eleventh hour, eight o'clock
in the morning, an hour before free agency, because they
struck out on Christian Deborak, you know, and then they
went went and changed ways. They couldn't get a centerment.
I think they wanted to get a centerment first, and
when they couldn't, they shifted focus.

Speaker 4 (01:30:43):
Before we get to the photos, a special shout out thoughts, prayers,
condolences family and friends of longtime viewer fan of the show,
Margaret Dube. Yeah, what what do you got? A huge
fan of our show? Donny?

Speaker 5 (01:30:56):
Absolutely and we absolutely dulence to the family. All right,
where are we going here?

Speaker 11 (01:31:03):
This is a first one is Chris and Mount Pleasant.
He emailed us saying that now that he knows that
this is our last week, he wanted to get the
photos in.

Speaker 4 (01:31:11):
Oh yeah, so he says.

Speaker 11 (01:31:14):
This is me and the better half sporting our D
and D caps at our first stop, Dawson Creek. Miles
zero off the Alaska Highway. We're touring all the spots
up north where Ryan never paid his dues. I don't
know why this shade was necessary. From Dawson Creek to
Fort Saint John, all the way to Dawson City and
they got they said the photo.

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
You know what, I don't know if they've changed it,
but that that's you know, refurbished. That signs the exact
same as when I was there living there.

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
We used to go by that all the time. But
when the sign when you were there, that was in
black and white, not color. Nina laughed. That's all that matters.

Speaker 4 (01:31:48):
Yeah, okay, person, that sign is well, it's really got
famous around town during Stags.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
I yes, that is true.

Speaker 5 (01:32:00):
Forty five minutes from Dawson Creek to for Seen John
took that highway millions of times.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
So that was Chris and Mount Pleasant. We appreciate that.
This next one, I don't know if you've DoD the details, Rick,
but it's James in Duncan.

Speaker 5 (01:32:12):
Yeah, Buddy and I at Crow and Gatee, Pob and
Cedar this past Sunday. He took one look at my
sports page had and said, pick one up for me.
Don't tell my wife. Look at this beautiful, beautiful photo.
Absolutely uh, Buddy and I Crow and Gatee, Pob and
Cedar very nice.

Speaker 4 (01:32:31):
Yeah, thank them enough love those sports page hats we go,
We got any.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
Still get them before your son gets here tomorrow. That's
all I'll say.

Speaker 4 (01:32:40):
Well, my son's not the problem, as you know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
I know we had a first hand experience to that.

Speaker 4 (01:32:46):
Yeah, it's a little taste of the Taylor family that
I have to deal with on a regular basis. We
got more pictures.

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:32:53):
Mileo from Vancouver. Is it just me? But if can
can't give Petterson more courage to play the style of
the game he needs to be successful, I don't think
anyone can. Do we just assume we saw what we
believe will be the top six at least to start.
Do we just assume Kane is gonna play with Peterson?
That would seem like.

Speaker 5 (01:33:09):
I think so off the bat load up Petterson. Don't
give him any excuses. Yeah, give him Besser on one side,
give Kane on the other sides. Game game one and
no excuses. Here's the top two wingers, here's a couple
of veteran guys.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
Get him to the puck. Score a bunch of Can you.

Speaker 4 (01:33:23):
Hope he's in good enough shape? Eleven point six a year?
He can drive a line not It shouldn't be all
about his wingers.

Speaker 5 (01:33:31):
If he's average next year, boy are they in trouble? Boy,
are they in trouble?

Speaker 4 (01:33:35):
Thanks so much for tuning in, folks.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
One more show left before we're off for the summer
on behalf of.

Speaker 4 (01:33:40):
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