Doorway to the Dead Ep #12

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Episode Transcript

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There are things in this world wecannot explain, something hidden just beyond our
view. Journey with us as weattempt to pierce the veil between our world
and theirs. Join us as wepassed through the doorway to the day.

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Joy at WLFDESDB dot com for upcomingshows and so much more. Welcome in
everyone. It is Sunday, Septemberfifth, two thousand and one, six
pm. This is the first showof our new day and time. Unfortunately,

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we could not keep our Thursday slotbecause well, I got to get
up at three thirty in the morning, and it's a little harder to do
a show till ten pm and thenstill make it up time for work.
So we spoke with our producer atthe network. He was a very gracish

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man by the name of Ted Vincent, and he allowed us to switch our
day in time. So we willnow be every other Sunday from six to
eight pm AM. So this iswhat Sunday is. Ours next Sunday at
seven pm is Step into the Paranormalwith Paranormal inc and Day and Day and

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us will alternate Sunday shows, soit gives us two weeks instead of every
week to come up with better guestsand plan our content a little bit better
to bring you a better show.So we thank you for understanding. We
hope everybody's doing okay. We hopeyou're having a fantastic Memorial Day weekend.

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Don't forget why we get to havethis weekend. Welcome in Pam and Steve
if you get his Burg Ghosts Exchange, Welcome in Collette, Welcome in Jerry
Soaper. Should I say Casey JimJim Kelly from Jim Kelly Spirit Photographers,
our friend Holly Gatalu from Kine,our buddy John McGuinness. And tonight we

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have a guest who we've been friendswith for quite some time and hadn't actually
met in person until the bash thisyear, which turned out fantastic. We
crushed the previous record. I thinkwe raised over a little over nine thousand

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dollars for those two charities, plusall the proceeds from the dunk tank that
we had went to Chuck Timbrook andBlackout, and we were able to give
him a little over five hundred.So everything went well. No issues that
I you regarding issues, I thinkeverything turned out great. It was great

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to see so many people that wehadn't seen in a couple of years now,
and our guest tonight, like Isaid, is someone that we were
finally able to meet that weekend.He has been an investigator for about twenty
five years. He had started ateam in his home area of a high

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which is still functioning now that helives in Massachusetts, and he's traveled all
over the country and done some reallycool places. Welcome in Kiel from New
Zealand. Thanks so much. So, without further ado, let's bring in
our buddy Russ Stiver here. Heis welcome in Russ. How are you

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my friend? Guys? Oh,we're in there. We're hanging in there.
It's uh. We had to switchour show from Thursdays to every other
Sunday because I just I'm too oldto stay up till ten and then get
up at three thirty in the morning. So well, you don't have a
cigar in your hand, So Imean that as a sign of a good

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sign. This is true. Thisis true. So we want to thank
you for coming on kind of lastsecond. I appreciate it so much.
I mean every opportunity I really appreciate. So, how has things been going
in Russ Stiver world. You knowyour posts with uh with Pennywise. Oh

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yeah, yeah yeah. Finally gotthe full uh full costume going on now
and that'll be making appearance in theBash next year. And we are definitely
doing some good things coming up here. Um. I have an event at
um Wilson Castle coming up in Vermont, and also have an event in Portland,

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Maine with Chris Sanders. Nice soum after that it's pretty much free
ride sailing. Um. I'm gettingmarried on November thirteenth. We again because
deer covid. Um. So weare actually doing a paranormal road trip,
leaving Massachusetts, going all the wayacross New York, all the way into

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PA, stopping to see in mymom and dad at the Gettysburghostia Change,
Stephen, Pam and uh, gonnahit some places in Ohio, drive down
to West Virginia and loop back aroundand come back up. Very very cool.
Um. So are you gonna swingover to the Moover House when you

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come down? We are that ison our list. Excellent, excellent.
We were just over there yesterday forthe cookout. We had to thank all
the people who who donated their timeand efforts to help them bring the bash
back and make it the awesome thingthat it was. I was letting everybody
know. We raised nine thousand dollars, which shattered the previous record, and

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I can't even account the five hundredplus we were able to give a blackout.
I can't even imagine that. Italked to Pam and Steve thoroughly through
the weekend and that was honestly oneof the biggest and best bashes they've had.
I've been a member of the Bashedfamily, I guess you could say

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since the beginning of it, sincethe inception, and we uh this year's
bash was just absolutely amazing and handsdown one of the best and funnest ones
I've ever been to. Absolutely,and like I said, it was so
special because having that year off,everybody wanted to see everybody, and it

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was It just made it that muchmore special, at least for us to
get back there, raise some moneyfor these great charities and to get to
see everybody, you know, Oh, definitely, for sure. It was
one of those things that like theentire way there it was. I mean,
because it's it's an eight hour drivefrom Massachusetts down to Gainsberg, and

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the entire way there where We're sittingthere in the car listing off the people
we haven't seen in two plus yearsbecause of you know what we're going through
right now, and it's it's beenabsolutely amazing. And to see everybody,
to actually touch everybody and talk toeverybody, it was just have a cigar
with somebody exactly exactly. It wasabove and beyond what I could ever expected.

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And I think you know, Imean we being with Palmisteve at the
Hoover House, we got to seesome of the behind the scenes stuff.
Pardon me, and uh, youknow that we weren't privy two in years
pasted m so we knew this wasgoing to be bigger and better than what
they had previously done just because ithad been two years. But um,

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some of the things they added wereexceptional, Like perfect example was the cigar
lunce. That was amazing, youknow, I said, the dunk tank
that we were able to give theproceeds to blackout. Um, some people
who hadn't been there before we wereable to get to come in and the
screening of the Yep, Yep,Dave Spinks thing and big Gan Snitsky's movie.

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Yep. Um it's now I canunderstand why Pam and Steve start planning
next year's the day the first oneafter it's over. You know, Dave,
you don't even realize they're planning itprior to that year's event, right,
They're already adding on to the nextyear. And I know my mom

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and dad really well, and they'rethey're they're very um like I'm an adopted
son of theirs, and I don'tknow how that happened, but I kind
of just fell on their laps andh they what they do for this bash
is just absolutely amazing and hands downthe greatest time anybody's ever going to have

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at a convention because it's not evena convention. It's a reunion, yep.
It really honestly is a reunion forpeople that have not seen anybody.
It's it's a gathering of friends andfamily just to be who other people want
to pay to see so we cangive the money to charities. You know
what, It's not even I youknow what, even if I am a

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guest speaker, a lecturer and whatever, I would still give them money,
hands down over everything. I'm notpaying to see people. I'm paying to
help these charities that they're providing toabsolutely see me being a veteran as well
as you like. Yeah, that'sthat's what makes it so special for me.
Um. And I know I priorto um, the Hoover House and

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everything, talk to them about wantingto help out as much as I could.
UM and you know, any littleany little things they needed help with
that type of thing. So,UM, but let's get back to you.
UM. I don't like what gotyou started? I mean twenty five
years I'm not that we are behindyou actually, so I get it.

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What what gotch Dave? You knowmy story? You were on the panel
with me, I mean at leasta little bit that Jack Cannon wasn't talk.
So I got started, Um,twenty five years ago. I'm thirty
seven years old. UM. Myfirst ever actual investigation was actually at Mansfield

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Reformatory, UM Shahank Prison whatever anybodyknows, Ohio State Reformatory, Mansfield Reformatory,
you know. Um, it wasbeing twelve on the edge of thirteen.
Was amazing to actually go and dothat because I'm a big history person
to begin with, and UM,it was it was just one of those

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things that we got lucky to findout that we were working with the historical
side for a clean up, andwe were able to stay over after everything
was done and investigate. And Iremember that was actually yep, I'm smoke
now, but um, thirteen yearsold. That was the first time my

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dad ever found out that I actuallysmoked, because I had the absolute living
shit scared out of me in solitaryconfinement and I straight ran out of the
building and he founded by the trucklegit, just chiefing down one of his
cigarettes and he's like, I don'tblame you, It's okay. Yeah.

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Yeah. But since then, everything'skicked off and I've had an amazing time
doing you know, traveling everywhere,and uh, you know, I did
a lot in Ohio. Um,like I said, my parents got me
started in this, and my dad'sgotten to the age where he can't really

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is not very mobile, and Istarted a group with him in Ohio and
I just kind of I saw thefact that it was going to be a
one man show, if you wantto say it that way. I've never
once in this entire thing wanted publicity, fame, anything like that. I've

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always sought out it for my ownI don't want to say educational, but
my own curiosities. Curiosities, Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I
saw when I was running a teamin Ohio that they didn't really necessarily wife,

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picking up dinner, hold on.But m no. I saw in
the fact that they weren't really intothe whole doing events and doing things and
doing everything like that. And Iwanted to do events. I wanted to
get out there. I wanted tonot necessarily make my name known, but

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wanted to get out there and morefor the fact of meeting other people right
right right, more of a peerto peer type of thing, more of
a networking kind of thing, absolutely, and they were not into that.
And so I found myself more breakingapart from that and doing my own thing,
which has led me to Bobby Mackie'sWaverley Hills. I've traveled as far

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as I've actually gone coast to coast. I've done Alcatraz, I've done Virginia
City, Nevada. I've done theWashout Club, I've done the Alcatraz thing.
Do you gutta get special permission withthat through the government. Now,
I didn't really do an actual investigationat Alca Drazz. I did one of

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the self guided tours that they hadbut just being on there enough was just
oh sure, yeah, absolutely amazing. And uh it was one of those
things that like, I've been toVirginia City, Nevada four times now.
Yeah, I cut my teeth therequite a few times. That's an amazing

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place. Oh, that place willleave a part in your heart that you'll
never forget. Yeah yeah, um, it doesn't matter, Silver Queen the
Wash Show. I mean, yeah, where will you go that? That
place is absolutely one of the mostamazing cities. It's like you're being transported

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back to it an old time.Yeah. And now is that that's not
far from the Stewart Indian School.Great, well that's up toward Mino.
Okay, that's up towards Mino.But that's where we got the Cashumer's call.
Yeah, yeah, we get wehad years ago when they had that
show My Ghost Story. Um wewe Actually we were in a building.

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It's right through on Main Street inVirginia City and it's a lug in corpet
place and the basement of it servedin its time as the undertaker used to
have a shoot where they could dropthe bodies down unient. So we did
a filming down there and we pickedup very unique. I believe it has

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to do with the Indian energy,you know, with the Losso Indians.
But what it essentially was was therewas an energy ball enters into the picture
and this big blue talent comes outfrom up above and swipes it the energy
and seems to take a portion ofit out, a chunk of it out,
and then the energy pulls back.Now, the whole clip was just

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a mere couple of seconds, butwe slowed it down so you could see
it developing. And the giant bearsPaul or something, and the uh,
the odor which stores carpet sit downthere in the basement. He would go
down there no longer. He waslike, whatever's down here is coming up

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tonight and the rest of the inventoryis stuck. You know what. I
saw a meme the other day ofpeople saying it was on a paranormal side.
I follow and it was what's creepierin attic or abasement? What was
that? Now? Yes, what'screepier in attica? Abasement? Oh?

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Yes, hands down for sure.Abasement for me, really hands down,
hands down. That was my firstexperience was in abasement, and and uh
it definitely uh, let me seeif I have that video on my computer
somewhere that I can play at Leonardeverybody see. Yeah, if you have

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it, show it up. Um, I know you have it here.
Can you put on a thumb drivegym you cash min as well? Yeah,
I know he's got it, soget it, get it on thumb
drive and then put it on myI would never believe he'd have it,
as I never believe he'd have it, not at all. No. Um,

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yeah, I mean our friend Janet, who was on one of the
mediums on our team that usually remotesfor us, lives out in that area,
the Virginia City. I remember sayingthat, Yeah, and well it's
only like thirty minutes apart. Yeah. Yeah, And when I graduated my
course, Um, the plan wasfor as a gift for graduating my schooling

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that him and I were going totake a trip out there. But then
hello COVID so and now the goodlord they got two friend wildfire's what ten
miles from her house? Yeah?So yeah, right now, Tahoe right
now is looking really bad. Actually, I still have friends out in California
that I have actually been evacuated,and uh, it's it's it's it's not

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looking great for them right now,and especially from last year or two.
Yeah. Yeah, So you know, it seems like every chance that we
planned something like that, it getssix made, but it happens. Yeah.
You know she was going to comeout our way for the bash.
Yeah yeah, some some family issuesarose that she had to take care of

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them, couldn't make it, AndI said, wow, man, it's
just things are conspiring, the universeconspiring against us. Oh for sure.
She like, every chance I'm supposedto go see meet John Zaffords in person
for the first time. He liveslike twenty five minutes on the street for
me, you believe it. Shitfigures. All right, Let's see if

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he pulled this up real quick.Johnny is a is an amazing, amazing
guy. Yes, yes he is. He is just uh like I can't
say better things about him than whatI can because he is uh he's actually
guided me a lot of my journeyas well. So this is a w

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m V file. Should should be. Yeah, I'm gonna see if this
would go. Oh, let's seeit. Your browser is having trouble sharing
your video happening if the file isinvalid, So it's because it's a wave
file. You try to share it. They want like MP four and stuff

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like that. Now I can convertit. I can do that. So
I gotta do is click. Butthis Dave on the fly, Dave on
the fly, always on the fly, dropped this in here. And everyone,
I'm seeing your comments in the section. I can't comment. I can't
type back. Unfortunately, I'm notsigned up for stream to MP four,

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so see MP four. No,it don't want out, it's Facebook.
We just want MP four, let'ssee. Okay, and fun fact,
I'm actually heading up to sale withtomorrow. Okay, actually, go visit

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some friends and uh that does untilI can get my porterboy. Yeah,
no, noah, this should gookay, so that should go to converted
files and there it is. Okay, let's give this a shot again,

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new volume, converted files and thereit is. There you go, oh,
now, why is it's not working? That's a converted file. It's
giving you the big finger, itreally is. I'm telling you. Mm

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hmm. Follow these steps here.Select file from my computer. Hi kiya

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okay, kaya kia kia. Convertto before looting processing finished, okay,
download now downloaded? Who's giving methe Chad Benner Okay, now you know,

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let's try this one more time.Downloads beam all right, here it
comes now. Watch this is theslow motion. You've already missed the normal
speed. So you see this whiteenergy mask coming in from as you're looking

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at the left. What happened andwhat happened again? See that? Yep?
But it should break it down.It did, I think when it
converted it to cut it short,but which you can do playing Paul.

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See see there's the white energy onthe left and what looks like a bear's
claw coming out of nowhere. Thatis very um and as it strikes it,
you see it takes a gash rightout of the center of it.
Yea. And then the white energyretreats from where it came and the claw

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retreats from where it came. Veryinteresting, Yeah, and very unique.
What didn't you say that if youblink you miss it? Yeah, that
is very m we In all ouryears, we've never had anything even similar
to that. Um I personally,I think most of us were there believed

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that it had to do with thenatives energies, you know, Native American
energies, but that just our impression. Well, I mean, if you
look at the Native American. Uh, they're very heavily on the deer and
the bear and the fox and everythinglike that. I mean that could very

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well be. Now you know,they're in Virginia City at the saloon.
The was soo in the area wherethey store the hooch. That's where they
would in uh in if in thewinter time a lot of times, if
they got bodies, you know,waiting to take a motive. That was
a storage room. Yeah, yeah, sure. The owners when we were

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there last, they were very cooperative. They let us, They let us
go in that back area and dosome filming and all that. You know,
he said, just just don't touchthe hooch. See, I was
very lucky. We actually booked aprivate investigation when the last time, um
and we had the place from eightpm until four am, and at that

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point the entire place was cleared outlike that. We knew like there was
no one downstairs in the bar,there was no one on any of the
levels, there was no tours beingdone, and uh, it was definitely
we got some very good evidence,very good evidence. Now we had one

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other situation. We were there filmingwhen the stairs going up. Now at
this time it was not secure upstairs. They you know, they weren't allowing
anyone up there because structurally it neededsome work. But the stairs going up,
we picked up a mist coming upstairs. Yeah, we got that filmed

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and then the mist was gone,and then we spoke to it and requested
it come back. Wow, that'ssomething that's fantastic. And this is at
the Washert Club this picture. Nope, this is at the House of Wills
in Cleveland. Oh oh man.That was actually when we did a private

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investigation. My team and I,okay did a private investigation and I was
the one taking a picture. Youcan tell I have two investigators on the
right hand side. The person deadin the middle was not there. Oh
my gosh, that was that's amazing. I don't know if you can share
that or not or whatever, ifyou can pop it up on there or

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um see if there's a way.We actually, my team and I we
found that after the investigation, wewent back this in tra creating. Now
you when did when did you dothat? You know what time was here
June? Wow, so you werethere with the natives of restless, so

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to speak. I guess you couldsay, yeah, wow, so I
can do this. I can sharethis screen that is Yeah, there you
go, so that natal figure thereis what must picked up. Wow,

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that's that's fantastic. There we goand we we tried to recreate it multiple
multiple times, and uh, Icouldn't do it. Shadowing um everything like
if you shout a flashlight on somebody, the shadow would appear twenty feet tall.

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And we went through everything, andthat's what an investigator does, is
they try to debunk everywhere, everypossible way, every logical way that it
could happen. And here's something,UM forgotten shadows in the chat post of
this and I didn't even think aboutit, but because I had said it

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reminded me of a bears Paul andhe said looks closer to a panther.
Bears pauls are wider and the nailsare longer. Panther claws are closer to
a dog. And then he addedthis, which I didn't think about it.
If it interests you, it fitsthematically better too. Panthers in Native
American mythology or symbol of successful hunting, which that figures appears to do to
the orb. I never not beingvery familiar with the Native American culture,

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Thank you for that forgotten Shan.Yeah, that's very good. That's a
that's actually very awesome. Actually appreciatethat input. That's great. This is
you. This is what you're supposedto do in the paranormal community. You're
supposed to actually not only help people, but also educate people, yes,

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and share the information, push thingsback and forth. Because as long as
I've been doing it, I neverconsidered that here's somebody who who had way
more knowledge about the Native American culturethan I I would, and it fit
right in and helped us out.So good on you, man. It's
awesome exactly exactly, and that's whatit's supposed to be about. Yeah,
but what really has the paranormal communitycome down to nowadays that you're wrong and

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I'm right and you're bad and I'mawesome and too much backbiting. I'm gonna
step on you because I can geton TV show, absolutely absolutely, you
cares who I've got to hurt toget there. And actually, fun fact

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about me is I actually I toldyou this day when we were standing outside
the one day at the bash,I was actually in the last running for
a spot on ghost Hunters, onthe new one. And we're not the
new one years back, and Iactually turned I didn't get picked, but

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I would have turned it down beginwith. And I wasn't hurt about it.
I really wasn't, because the onequestion they asked me is can you
recreate what happens? And there's not. There's no recreation to it. If
you have something truly paranormal will happento you, you can't recreate it.

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You can't recreate it right, there'sno way because that emotion, that energy,
that adrenaline is not there. Ifyou can recreate it, then I
deserve an oscar. You just oryou just debunked your own stuff. Well,
we're having as you're probably aware ofus. We we we've sort of
become. I guess that the termI would say is specialized, just that

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we do it very frequently with thetable tipping, and we're sort of like
indirect community. Oh, Jim,come on, you're an expert. Well
just throw it out there and anyhow, you know, spirit will be Like
last night, we had a couple, We had several couples at the table,
and interestingly enough, there was alot of commonality we didn't even realize

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when we're at the table, andthen of the three groups there. Everyone
had lost the child except one person, and yes, we had all the
children come through at various times forthe family, you know, for the
people that had lost one and there, you know, their community was very

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emotional. There was a lot ofreally very interesting things, a lot of
healing in it. But then whenspirit when it you know, that takes
a lot of energy. Even thoughwe're oney, we won one EMM E
M pump probably to save us,to prolong the session a little more,
and also to just so it doesn'ttake as much out of us the sessions

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and at the end, all ofa sudden spirits it's gone. You know,
it's like it's just it most sometimesgoes the limit and it's gone.
So I don't even know how yougo about trying to recreate that law emotion
and what the people are all feelingat the table. And I think honestly

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at that point, like you,you can't recreate that raw emotion. That's
one of those things that has tohappen in the time. And the problem
with it is is these people thathave gone through it already, it's very
emotional for them because they're reliving it, right, Yeah, but it also

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helps them because it's given them closure. Yea, the very much is one
of the things. It's that wevery often do because of the sensitivity.
And now as a person doesn't haveto ask questions out, they can ask
it in their mind. Spirit willpick it up and react and answer that

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question. So you've got the tablereacting and the people are hearing stuff in
their minds are reacting to so there'sreally nothing. If you're recording from a
record, there's nothing you're picking up. So again, how in the heck
do I know you're not saying anything, but you're having reactions to your questions,

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and you're having your answers given byyour supposed you know, spirit that's
connected with you. And how doyou reach I don't know. For those
that think that you're manipulating the tablemanually to calm someone, I guess would
be the words thinking atmospherics are doingthis. If that's the case, then

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how is it that I knew youasked some question in your mind, not
out loud, and I knew tomanipulate the table to answer it correctly,
you know what I mean? Thatwould be one of the things. So
m I'm gonna send you a picturehere real quick if I could find it
actually. Um, but um,so my wife and I we got married

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last year on Friday thirteenth, twentytwenty at the Oliver House in Massachusetts,
which is haunted. Um it wasactually a I guess like these people have
destination weddings. Um, this wasa destination for me. I guess you
could say. Um, but ChristieParrish, who runs the Oliver House,

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she went in the next day.We actually forgot a cooler at the place,
and um, when we went back, I just sent you a text
message. Yea, there it is. Um. These words popped up on

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the obulus. Now, Russell isnot a very common name there, so
they had fingers Russell oracle sign Ithink candles in there, summer fingers.

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Yeah, it's just like for anobulus, for an obulus to call out
my name. That's pretty thought forwardright there. Yes, Um, And
I know, at least the oldversions of the ovulus that we used to

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use back in the day, theyhad no proper nouns nope, in the
in the database, so the namespeople's names were not programmed in that database.
And quite often we'd get a namepop up and you know, if
this isn't legit. How do youexplain a word that is not programmed into

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this database showing up on the screen. I've used the Echo vox. Um,
I don't know it's an app,right, yeah, Glenn Waas,
I know how people feel about appsand everything like that. Um, I
get that. Um, But we'vehad I've done an investigation at the Orleans
Wattlefront with samual Teresas he was runningan event for National Ghilst Hunting Day.

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Actually, and the Echo vox isjust like the Obulus. It's a predetermined
set dictionary. And we were gettingGerman, I've gotten Spanish, I've gotten
French, and it just um,words coming across. They should not come

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across on what it is. Jimdidn't we have well. Years and years
ago Jim took a cruise where theship was haunted. The group that there
was one of the ship was investigatorsand every place they stopped they took an

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excursion to a haunted location, locationactive location, i could say, and
down through the Caribbean, and oneof the places they stopped was Belize.
They went into the jungles of Belizewhere excavators had just finished unearthing half of
them Mayan village and one of thebuildings was the Sun Temple, where of
course they performed their human sacrifice ChristGod. And back then Jim was still

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able to do stairs well, somade it up to the top of the
Sun Temple and did a recording andgot an e VPS in the Mayan language
that they had to bring back tothe ship and have someone and translate for
them. Oh wow, So see, I've seen that a lot more lately.

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I actually just had a friend poston Facebook knowing if anybody knew Arabic,
like I can't say I do.This was state side. This was
state side for if anybody knew Arabic, and there was no Arabic related to
this question, this location whatsoever.So that leaves the question of do you

(39:35):
believe And I will say this verykindly because I have had an attachment myself,
but do you believe that spirits arelooking for a vessel to go from
one place to another? Wow?Um, I mean I would. I

(39:58):
think I would be remissed if Ididn't think that that was a possibility.
But at the same time, Ithink that once they've crossed over time,
as we know it is a human, physical person, physical constraint, which

(40:19):
they do not have in my opinion, so I don't think that they would
need that anymore. Now earthbound,that's completely different, you know. That's
to me, those are two differenttypes of energy patterns, earthbound and spirit.
Earthbound is what I would call aghost. It is for whatever reason
it has not crossed over, stillearthbound until it resolves whatever it is that's

(40:44):
keeping it there. And maybe thosedo. I don't know. I think
it's defferent possibility, but I thinkonce they've crossed over and become spirit in
one with universe wherever, when Eis completely up to them. So do
you think it is possible for oneperson to pick up an attachment at one

(41:05):
place and then go and investigate anotherplace in the attachment or the spirit that
is attached to them thinks, hey, this is a cool place to be
and coming to that place. Ido absolutely, I do think that's possible.
Yes, I mean, I thinka lot of these places that were
investigating, because they've now opened uptwo public investigators too, private investigations,

(41:34):
everything like that. You an attachmentis very hard to tell unless you're in
tune with it. Yes, AndI think a lot of these these places
have spirits that have been brought inby other people. Absolutely. So you

(41:57):
have these people that are claiming theskill as Murder House, Bobby Mackie's,
Waverley Hills, these places that havea demonic presence, I don't think those
are attributed to the actual time there, right, the location itself. Look

(42:19):
at Amityville, I don't think,Like I know Christopher very well, I've
talked to him on a daily basis, and I don't think that a spirit
that is tied to a location isthe only spirit there. I guess you

(42:42):
could say, right, because youhave all these people in and out,
you give the daily foot traffic.Yeah. So that's why I find very
hard to believe claims of a locationof oh we have this demonic spirit here,
we have this friendly spirit here.It's I think that where does vessels

(43:05):
for these spirits of places that wego to to jump off? Because I've
removed attachments myself before. I've hadone removed from me. It took two
and a half hours removed from me. And I think that we're just an
uber there. We're an uber.They're hitchhikers. We're an uber that we're

(43:30):
taking them to the where they feelcomfortable to going off of yeah, well,
yeah, I mean the kia.Yes, you're right, You're right,
they do actually do have aitacia toconnect to items as well. Yes,
but I think that's one of themost fascinating parts of our field is
that conversations like this where new ideasare brought up and new theories are suggested,

(43:54):
and now let's go out and testthose theories. Let's go out and
find a way to investigate that claimor that theory. Because anyone who says
they're an expertness field, I don'tbecause I would. I don't like to
do it this way, but apart of me wants to automatically dismiss them

(44:15):
right out of just go away fromme. I don't believe anything you say
because it's a theory of conjecture andtheory, and that's the field. It's
based on theory and conjecture. Howcan you've been expert in that? Do
you have a degree and paranormal studies, paranormal psychology, paranormal whatever I have?

(44:35):
Actually like I had, I livedin North Carolina for two years.
I had the great, great,great, great chance to actually visit them.
Now I was escaping me at Dukethey actually have a oh yes,
yes, from the nineteen seventies case. They moved the movie the entity is

(44:58):
based on. Yeah, they actuallyhave an actual is not associated with Duke
anymore. Right, they've moved offsite and I'm not sure. I haven't
looked in into it for a coupleof years, but um, it actually
is an actual thing. There isactually a paranormal psychology program. Yes,

(45:22):
it is not college accredited unfortunately,because if that was a thing, I'm
sure you'd have all these people outthere going, oh, I'm I'm certified.
Right, I'm a festival I knowyou know. Here, here's my
card. But no, it's um, I've met ed before, I've met

(45:46):
Lorraine before. Um, you know. The one person that I never got
to meet, unfortunately, was HansHolzler. Yes, and his work still
carries on just as well as theWarriors. Absolutely absolutely, and you'll see

(46:07):
it when you get a chance tocome by. But when we did our
walk through of the historic Hoover Housebefore we had set to purchase it with
the realtor, on the second floor, as soon as you come off the
steps, you're in like another fourierand there's bedrooms on the side. You
know, well, the one directlyto your left, the very first one

(46:30):
there. When I walked in,opens up. It's a big, beautiful
room. And then I turned aroundand obviously is built in bookcases, one
whole wall, over the doorway andaround the top of the other wall.
And the first thing that struck mewas Hans Holzer. This is a guy
who spends so much more time investigatingthe history doing his research then he actually

(46:57):
did investigating at the location. Honestly, to say, I wouldn't even say
he was an investigating. He wasdebunking, because Hans Holder was not the
type of person that was like,okay, that's paranormal. No, I'm
gonna look at every single possibility yesto debunk this and say, okay,
this is a wind coming through acrack glass before I say anything else at

(47:22):
all. Ye, okay, gem'sup. Now, come on, Jim,
won't be biting. I'm trying to. It's it's I'll be right there.

(47:44):
Sorry, come on over, Jim, It's all right, I won't
bite. Don't worry. We uhwith the Hoover House. Now we have
the account set up to the twelfthof the month, the money transfers over,
they pull do an automatic pullout onthe mortgage. I'm making sure that

(48:06):
he's in there for the mortgage.You know that is happening. Yeah,
it's the first you know, especiallytoo first year of our business. We're
trying to not have any giddy upsand all that up. Oh no,
I completely get it that we reallyAnd that's one thing I want to thank
the paranormal community. Oh my god, they've been so supportive. We do

(48:28):
have bookings on B to B andwe have bookings on a booking dot com
um and Pam does a great jobat balancing, and so if we have
a paranormal group booked the house,we don't take bookings on the other so
it's the house is basically available foreveryone to use with you know, investigating

(48:49):
and whatnot. On the other hand, if we have people coming in on
the B to B, then wedon't book it full of ghost hunners,
so that we're trying to serve twomasters. But the paranormal community has been
fantastic and you'll never find a greatercommunity. You'll never find a greater community.
They've been so great and the andthe spirits have been amazing. I

(49:15):
mean, I last week before thebash that Thursday. Um. I actually
I'm there at the house and I'mtalking to the spirits. I'm saying,
you know, Spirits, we're gonnahave a lot of people coming over and
to come visit. And I havea m I have the phasma box on
one and as clear as a bell, a company will be here just like

(49:37):
that, clear as a bell.And I want to throw one thing out
there, which I think is aminor miracle given the times we're in.
The Thursday before the bash, wedid a session with Spirit and we were
asking Spirit if and we had aprayers if if whatever they could do,

(49:57):
if they would work to protect thecommunity coming in so that the people traveling
both in and going home could doso safely, and also to protect this
from the pandemic and everything going on. And to our knowledge, everyone coming
and going got home safe and sound. And I we're not aware of anybody

(50:21):
having contracted COVID or that. Nowthink with the bash, I haven't heard
a word. I haven't we hadwe have unfortunately, I wouldn't say unfortunately
because I love spending time with everybodythere. We had a stay an extra
day because Hurricane Ida was coming in. Yes, yeah, and when we

(50:42):
were leaving and what we were drivingthrough the io was actually supposed to hit
right or we were driving through.So we ended up staying on an extra
day and we got home safe asound. My house was perfectly fine,
no damage, nothing. Well,we we actually had a session with spirit.
We we had prayers as well,when we asked whatever whatever powers they

(51:04):
could bring to bear and whatever ifthey could do that to protect and then,
like I said, with giving andtaken into account everything going on.
I think it is like a minormiracle of that. But I just sort
of threw that out for everyone.I'm not a spiritual guy. I'm not
a religious guy. Well let merephrase that. I'm not a religious guy,

(51:29):
but I am a spiritual guy.Yes, and um definitely, um
where am I saying, Michael,where are my saying? Benedict? Always
for sure? So um so soso Dave, let me ask you this,
all right, top five? Howdo the locations you would ever go

(51:55):
to in the world? In theworld finance is nothing in the world,
okay, just nothing? Told meback wherever I want to go? Okay?
Exactly? Um see, I thinkI do have a train coming in.

(52:21):
Um, I want to go tolike I said it could be anywhere.
This is gonna be like no,no, budget is not an option,
doesn't matter. I don't ever youwant to travel. I can't can't
pinpoint any specific one but the castle. No, no, just just for

(52:44):
this, like I want to gosee the castle? Is the haunted castles
in Ireland? I don't. Ican't pinpoint one specific castle, but that
is Ireland would be one. LepCastle would be probably the most known,
right the most known? Yes,Um, I know it's not Again in

(53:07):
your scenario, I can go,but I know as of right now it
is privately owned and the couple thatlives there wants nothing to do with any
kind of paranormal stuff. But theLuna Rehouse in New Orleans, Okay,
I think that would be fascinating.Everybody listening, put your put your your

(53:29):
top five in the comments as well, and now again in your scenario where
I can get in there and doa private investigation. The Winchester Mansion.
They are a very very tight lippedabout that, right. Um, I'd

(53:53):
have to say the Veliska Axe MurderHouse, only because not so much for
the what could be paranormal, butbecause I'd like to see if I can
make contact and get a play byplay exactly of what happened to try and
figure out who the person was thatthat committed those heinous crimes. After this,

(54:14):
I will send you a link ofsomething of a friend of mine.
Um. They actually I'll see hernext month. They did a private investigation
at the Miskella Axenburger House, andthe EVP they caught will send chills through
your spine. I will forward itto you after this is all done,

(54:38):
because that's their evidence, it's notmine. They send it to me to
validate. Okay, Okay, soyou're up to three. Okay, see
that you haven't even gone outside thecountry. I have went. You went

(55:00):
to Ireland. You went to Ireland, all right? Um? I think
them the Tower of London. Okay. Um, there's a lot of places
I like to go, but Iwouldn't even if I had your scenario,
or I wouldn't because I would thinkit would be disrespectful, like some of

(55:22):
them concentration camps or the speeches atNorman or something like that. I think
that would be disrespectful. So Icompletely agree with you. That's why I
don't investigate cemeteries. Um. Yousee, come on, anywhere in the

(55:43):
world. I'm trying to think.There's one in Spain i'd heard of.
It is Pavilion. Is that awfulSpain? Yep, that one island of
dolls? Yes, yes, theone I for a long time. No,
Jim, you five? You gotfive? Not just one? You
got five? Well, well alot of them, as said, I'm

(56:06):
just gonna keep one particular one.But I've changed. Screw Dave. You
ain't traveling with him? Where areyou going? Is? Have you heard
of wools Woo Woolsburg Castle, we w Yes, I have, and
I I was always sort of fascinated. But then on second thought, I

(56:28):
don't handle negativity. You know that, the extreme negativity, So I I
don't know that. I just havea feeling that would not be a good
place for me. I protect myselfa lot when I go into locations because
I am unfortunately I don't say thisa lot, but I am a psychic
medium, so I do pick upenergies very quickly, and a lot of

(56:52):
times it dreams me if I don'tprotect myself correctly. Yeah, and there
are just some places I can't gointo. About six years ago I went
to a Titanic eximit that they dida they actually had actual artifacts from the

(57:12):
Titanic, And I was in therefor maybe twenty minutes and I had to
leave because I was picking up onthe energy of everything that happened, and
I couldn't do it. I've heardthat from others before who've done some of
the rotating museums with a lot ofthe original artifacts. Yes, I've heard

(57:34):
that it was so heavy, itwas like it it really was so heavy
that it was ridiculous. Have youjust had a curiosity. I've looked.
I've never seen any evidence. Iknew that Wolfsburg is maintained as a museum,
so it is open to the public, but I've never been able to

(57:57):
find out where any but he's doneany investigation in there or had any kind
of you know, I don't thinkit's ever been done. I suspect it
hasn't either. I think they're they'rethey're using it as more of a tourist
location than a an investigation location,and that's what a lot of places are

(58:19):
doing these days. Yeah, SoI mean that I do agree with Dave.
I think with the concentration camps,I don't think I could just out
of respect and of that, Idon't think I could do it. Of
course, I like one of mydream sites is Aschwitz. I mean that
that would be like not not evenjust for the panormal investigation part of it

(58:43):
or the spiritual activity. It wouldbe more me going there to pay my
respects. Right now, this mightinterest you. This passed about a week
and a half ago. We hada good friend. I won't disco who
it was just because it's so personal, but his family in him. They

(59:06):
had booked a night at the HooverHouse and had requested if we could do
a session. He's very experienced inmany different fields and but had never really
done the table tipping, and aclose friend of his had done it and
we'd had really good results. Whilewe're doing it for his wife, she

(59:27):
had a relative came through who hadbeen a victim of the Holocaust as an
infant and as an infant, andhe told me after the fact that the
family had I guess very rarely talkedabout this particular relative. The father had

(59:50):
already been sent away to a concentrationcamp. The mother actually survived the war,
the infant did not. It wasvery young, and I guess the
family always he's discussed in terms likethe child had been starved to death.
He felt, and he's very sensitive, he felt the child had been actually
executed. Um, you know,but anyhow, that child presented and you

(01:00:15):
talk about starting with zero, Imean, you know, there was no
light, there was no and itwas it was amazing. It took about
an hour and a half. Everyoneat the table was having visions of this
escaping and we'd caught in angels andall that to help him. And I

(01:00:36):
really do truly believe we got thatindividual past. You could feel the release,
the energy released though that that's alwaysthe best feeling. That's always the
best feeling, is when you feelthat energy release. He was unforgettable.
That's the first time I've ever encountered. And then that's the first time you
ever actually encountered a crossover from fromthe Holocaust. Oh yeah, yeah,

(01:00:58):
okay, yeah, okay, allright. And it was something, like
I said, took about an hourand a half and I was drained for
about two days. It takes youdown, yeah, down. But see,
that's that's the beauty of this field. I mean, we're not I
don't believe we just thrill seekers andall this. No, no, I

(01:01:21):
mean, there's there's a lot oftherapeutic to all of this. I mean,
we can't there definitely is. Wecan't write the bombs of the world,
but we could try to help it. We can help the eternal energies.
Absolutely. Yeah. I've walked inthe locations before where I've known that

(01:01:44):
there have been things that have beentrapped, that have been held, and
a lot of locations now are puttingthe disclaimers when you signed the release form
to go to go there to investigatethat you can't crossover a spirit. You

(01:02:09):
can't. We've we've seen that,Yes, we've seen that at some places.
I you know what, there isno form you can sign that can
help that that it happens naturally.Yeah, like I've I've legit at a

(01:02:30):
location, fell to my knees andstarted crying because I knew something need to
be crossed over and I did whatI needed to do at that point.
Fuck the location, sorry language,screw the location, Screw was that was

(01:02:51):
going on. But that spirit atthat point is more important than the thirty
five dollars or forty dollars you're givento a location. I'm with you us
on that. I mean, theymight it's it's it's a higher order,
absolutely, And the problem with itis is these locations are trying to keep
spirits in there. Yeah, yeah, excellent point. They are trying to

(01:03:15):
keep it in there because guess what, it's good for a business. Yeah.
And I think that's going to bea costly error on their part because
you can't do that without repercussions.Oh for sure, hands down, hands
down. Just to interject, Idon't know if either of you knew this.

(01:03:37):
I didn't. Just now, youcan go on Airbnb, the same
place that you can use to stayat the Hoover House, Yeah, and
rent evenings to sleep at Dracula's Castleon Transylvania. But you better be a
damn good shape because get there isnot easy. You know where else you

(01:03:58):
can rent a room to sleep in? It's crazy? The Satanic Temple in
Salem, Massachusetts. I'm not sureeveryone want to do that, but yeah,
I guess there's some. I willtell you this before you get any
preconceived notions in your head. TheSatanic Temple in Massachusetts. They are the

(01:04:23):
nicest people you will ever meet inyour life. Really, they are.
Everybody. Everybody has this preconceived notionthat the Satanic Temple is evil, hanging
people upside down, blood, bloodingsacrifices, everything like that. That's not
how it is. They are actuallya very very good, kind hearted people.

(01:04:48):
And that is one of those thingsthat you have a name attached to
you, and everybody thinks the worst. But I tell you what, I've
been there before. They are thenicest people I have ever met. They
actually give you the full knowledge ofwhat is going on. They give you

(01:05:10):
the full knowledge of this is whowe are, and they answer any questions
whatever you have. Yeah, apparently, this says a horse drawn carriage.
Carriage you swiftly through Transylvania as thesun sets towards the horizon, heralding the
hours of swooping bats and howling wolves. When you come around the final beat

(01:05:33):
on the tree Line Road, you'llcatch a glimpse of Brown Castle. This
mistian mountaintop manner is at home,is home for the night. The chill
that suddenly feels the carriage is notthe evening mist. It's fear older than
the forest now grown up around thecastle rock. This is the layer of
vampires and you cannot leave until dawn. But yeah, but oh, I'm

(01:05:56):
sorry, Doctors Stoker, brom Stoker'sgreat grand nephew will answer your knock on
the castle's imposing wooden doors. Hewill be your host for the night and
resident expert on Transylvania. Loure,Wow, I'm sorry. I think that
would be awesome. I would absolutelydo that, but I would do that.
A number of years ago there wasan experienced group of guys, two

(01:06:20):
guys, and they they had donea rather rather strenuous height to get up
to the castle. Were they breakingin the actually going no, they were
going yeah. And the thing thatwas, I don't think they had anything

(01:06:41):
extraordinary happened while they were in thecastle. But what they saw, which
really was actually scared him somewhat.From from the vantage point there, as
you're looking down in the canyons,they saw like a pinkish light there was
actually tracing through the forest making itsway up toward the castle slowly, and

(01:07:05):
it just kept progressing and progressing.And they watched and they said it was
erie as hell, and it wasn't. There was nothing artificial. It wasn't
like it was that they thought itwas like a group of people coming up
with torches. It wasn't and itmade its way clean on up. I
mean, this was a lengthy processand finally as it got up near the

(01:07:27):
castle, it just dissipated. Butthey watched it the whole time, and
they were needless to say they werefull of anxieties. Well, I mean,
you know, me, traveling myself, you always have anxiety as the
places you go to are your anxietiespreconditioning you to see what you want to

(01:07:55):
see leading up to that location.You know, you hear all the stories
about out like State Side here.Okay, so you you have these stories
of Waverly Hills, trans Alleghany,Mansfield, you have all these You have
all these preconceived notions in your headthat you've heard from the stories of So

(01:08:15):
are you really putting that in yourown head and forcing to see what your
mind wants you to see? Areyou actually seeing something? Yeah? No,
No, that's that is an objective, critical analysis of what's going on.
Absolutely you have to take that intoaccount. I'm not saying they're wrong,

(01:08:36):
I'm not not at all. Butlike for me, like I heard,
the first time I ever investigated WaverlyHills, I had all this build
up in my head because I heardall the stories, I watched all the
shows I you know this, that, everything else, And when I got
there, I spent nine hours insidethat building and it kind of fell flat

(01:08:59):
for me. We didn't really havea lot happen. Waverly Hills are not
Waverly Hills Rolling Hills Asylum in NewYork. I tell you what. One
of the best places I've ever investigatedin my life. Yeah, one of
the best places ever. That placeis not disappoint one time over. I

(01:09:21):
did not know any information about itat all. One of my close friends,
Sharon, she owns it. Iknow her personally, I've talked to
her. Yep, I've known heryears, and every time I go there,
I am never once disappointed. We'vebeen looking to get back there for

(01:09:43):
years. Now, let's do it. Set it up. Unfortunately, the
time that we went, um youknow the giant Ted, the shadow figure
that's down that one hallway. Yes, who's the to a giant? Yes,
sir. Even he was being umless than cordial because the weekend before

(01:10:09):
we had gone, Zach Beggins andhis team was there and they're provoking and
all this shit. So everything therewas all angry and rolled up because of
that there. Yeah, yeah,I know, I know what's talking about.
Yeah, so, yeah, wewere wondering because you know, we've
we Big Jelly do not have issueslike that. And I talked to one

(01:10:30):
of the age and I said,what's going on? Actually, Marlina treat
Is, who we talked with,actually had a situation where I was using
my divining LODs and it sort ofswept me into this one room where they
had one of those picking plays setups, packing plays, and I just
sat down there. It's at thevery end of the shadow Man hall,

(01:10:53):
second floor to the right. Yeah. So if you're sitting there with at
the end of the hall, atthe end of the hall to your back,
and you're looking back towards the stairway, the only way you have is
from the exit sign and you couldjust watch the shadow people go back and
forth. Yes, he was inthe room at the at the end of
that hallway and goes down. It'sthe second door from from the um what's

(01:11:14):
the word to look for the notthe atrium, right, the second door
on the right hand side. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was.
Yeah, he was on my left, but I was sitting with my back
towards the end of the hallway,looking at the stairway, looking down the
hallway, yep, right. Andhe was in that room directly to my
left. And he set his diviningrods on the edge of the packing play

(01:11:36):
to get some equipment out, hadhis recorder running. I sitting down the
hallway in a chair, staring downthe hallway. I had my recorder running.
Was the wheelchair still sitting down there? No, no, okay?
And he said, do you mindif I do some recording in in here?
Something something to that effect. Andyou heard this whooh, and you

(01:12:00):
heard like some kind of nasty growlingthing, and then a voice that says
not in here, and I geton mine. The only thing I picked
up was this clinging clinkling clinkling,and me saying what the hell was that?
And Jim saying, where's my diviningrods? He picked up the voice
in there saying don't record in hereand throwing his rods out of the room.

(01:12:23):
I got his rods hitting in thehallway at my feet. So that's
how angry they were. And I'llgive you a very good interesting story about
Rolling Hills. My wife and Iwere up there two years ago before all
this COVID hit and we were there. We actually, I wasn't even a

(01:12:46):
speaker at the event. We actually, because who I am, I promote
and help everybody else. So weactually bought tickets for this event, went
drove ourself, you know whatever.So we were in the kid's room on

(01:13:09):
the second floor, first floor,first floor, excuse me, and we
sat down. There was a groupof like four of us. We sat
down out of the aquebox and started, you know session, and I kept

(01:13:30):
seeing something out of the corner ofmy eye shoutout past another hallway. Okay.
So I got up from the groupand I went out to the hallway.
No one out there. So Iwas thinking, because this was like
kind of the kid's word that Iwould tell the nurse or the orderly whoever

(01:13:56):
was looking over them, Hey,your kids aren't in bed right now?
Yes, they are right across theklebox. I'm like, nope, just
saw one run across the hallway.No in bed. Okay. So I

(01:14:17):
peeped back into the room. Howmany kids you have here? Eleven?
Okay? Where are their names?Shit? You not listed out all the
names of the kids? Wow,all every single one. And I'm like,

(01:14:42):
well, once not in bed yes, like nope, just watched one
run across the hallway in bed doneand I'm like, okay, we're all
set there. And I guess sothat that um Rolling Hills is a location

(01:15:03):
for me that has never once Ihave been there, I would say a
dozen times, and has never oncedisappointed me at all. It is a
location you can go to and completelyno, you're gonna get activity. And
that's that's That's the problem I havewith these places anymore these days is people

(01:15:27):
are like, come from my equation, you're going to get activity. I
can guarantee it. No, therethere are circus animals. See. The
Bellair House is like that for us. I think I've never been to bell
Air. I live in Ohio fortwenty seven years of my life, and
I have never been to the BellairHouse. Well, it just so happens

(01:15:48):
that we had again prior to COVID, we had booked a three day weekend
up coming Friday, Saturday, leaveSunday, and after accepting are booking in
the money, we get a messagefrom christ and the owner that who's at
the bash actually that Um She's accidentallydouble booked it and the other team had

(01:16:12):
never been there, so we backedout so they could have their first time
there, and as a thank you, she guaranteed us a free weekend.
So we have a free weekend atthe Bellianhouse, sitting on the books waiting
for us. Hey, November fourteenth, I mean, I mean we're gonna
be in Ohio that at that time. So I mean no, like I

(01:16:41):
said, we're taking a honey moonroad trip after we get married, and
we're hitting up Saratoga Springs in NewYork. I just want I'm a big
racing fan. I want to goto the thorough bed all the fame up
in Saratoga. Yeah, and Ithat's one place I really want to get
I never been up there. Well, my buddy Steve Brote, he actually

(01:17:02):
owns or he runs, excuse me, does not own. Do not take
that. He is the caretaker ofthe Saratoga County Homestead. That is a
shut down. I don't know ifit's a mental asylum or TV hospital or

(01:17:23):
whatever it may be. But UMgonna hit there. We're gonna hit a
hotel, Conniat and Conneade, Ohioand the amusement park. Actually worked there
as a kid. Yeah, nowthe no, no different, that's a
different Yeah, now that the thehotel, they're still open. Mind it

(01:17:47):
is correct, is still open andfunctioning. Yep, that's what I thought.
Yep. Um. The amusement parkhas experienced numerous unexplained fires to their
rides, to their food zands,to whatever. Conyote Lake Park. Yeah,

(01:18:11):
I've never been there. I've readabout it many times. I worked
there when I was a kid.Oh really, yes I did. But
what the hotel has activity as well, it definitely does. Actually the hotel
cash that caught fire. Wow,I knew it actually burnt down some of
the hotel. So they've been workingto renovated. And I know that it's

(01:18:33):
a lot of huge right pretty muchit is. It is very big.
Um. I went there when Iwas a kid, at I want to
say, fifteen years old. Iworked in the park as a food fender
to raise money for my homecoming dance. And uh it Actually I had a

(01:18:57):
very interesting experience there where during theduring the time, they actually held all
the vendors or employees on one levelof the hotel. They give them hotel
for free to stay, and theroom next to me was actually completely vacant.

(01:19:21):
No one was in there about oneo'clock in the morning. I hear
the adjoining door room start jiggling thedoor knobs starting to try to turn.
So my buddy I was with Iwas like, dude, somebody's trying to
get into of the door. He'slike no, and he heard it,

(01:19:43):
so he got up and went overand like checked the door. And as
soon as that he went to puthis ear against the door to see if
it indo his air, the doorstarted banging off the hinges. Him and
I both ran out of the room, went down to security and were like,
there's somebody in the room next tous that it is mess Away.

(01:20:03):
Oh, it's an amazing hotels,right, don't like erie, It's absolutely
amazing hotel. And uh we wentout. We went back and with security
there was no one in the roomat all, lights completely turned off,
all the beds were made everything.But the problem with it was there was

(01:20:27):
an imprint of somebody that was layingin the bed I'm talking pillow print,
head, wow, bed, everything, And I'm like, all right,
I'm out. And this was beforeI got really heavy into investigating, and
I'm like I can't do this.These old play like an old amusement park

(01:20:50):
or some of these old assignments.There's just something that draws me. I
mean, it's I don't know whatit is. It's just it's it's it
just fascinates the hell out of me. And it's it's a natural drawl.
It honestly is um. I meanin Ohio where I grew up, there

(01:21:10):
are actually two amusement parks. Thereare SeaWorld and Jiaga Lake. Actually that
got bought out by six Flags andit's actually now just an abandoned property with
all the rides still sitting there.And I would love to go back and
explore both properties, but they're veryWestern Pennsylvania. Western Pennsylvania. Who we

(01:21:34):
have now that the history of theKanyelle Lake Park so open. The eighteen
ninety two is Exposition Park located onthe west side of the Kanyelle Lake in
Western Pennsylvania. Mhm hm yes,sir, Wow, we had a play

(01:21:56):
We have a place not far fromthe from the Hoover House called penn National.
Okay, it used to be humIt used to be a popular area
in the summer because you know,I guess with the elevation, it was
always a little cooler in the summer, and they had swimming. Um.
They had a rather large established hotelthere. Um, and there's there's not

(01:22:19):
a lot left to it anymore,but it's it. Um. You know
those old places like that, therewere once a portion of most of the
people's lives, you know, backthen. There's a residual energy in those
places. Well, I mean,like look at the places of these ones

(01:22:44):
that doesn't exist anymore. I meanit's not I mean just amusement park.
Look at Buffalo Central coming up.Yeah, that's nasty. So that was
perfect timing. That was actutely perfecttime. Um, you can't Prop.

(01:23:09):
I would love to go to Prop. That's actually on my list of places
I want to go. And asUrban Sounds was the town that they built
to house all the workers. Yes, oh that's okay. Yeah yeah,

(01:23:29):
So I mean, like my fivelist, Like, honestly, if I
could go anywhere, it was apolitic island, Doll Island would be propriot
Webcastle, Ireland, it would bethe Catacombs in France. I would definitely

(01:23:51):
do it in a heartbeat. AndI honestly don't know what my fifth will
be because my fifth used to beapt Ass and I've been there. Yeah,
I hear it to catacombs. Uh. The security down there is very
intense about I guess when you finish, when you're ready to leave, yeah,

(01:24:13):
um, they they check you tomake sure you're not taking any well
I mean not probably With another topichere, you go into these haunted locations,
Okay, you go into any hauntedlocation, whether it be the Hymnsdale
House, whether it be Rolling Hillswhere translating any Waverley whatever. As an
investigator, you do not touch takeanything from any location you've ever been to.

(01:24:39):
You don't do it at all,plain simple. That is my That
is my thoroughbred standpoint. Like youdon't you leave location the way you went
to it? Right, absolutely,And I've seen people. I've seen people
take ship from places and it's notnot even not even the ramifications of it

(01:25:01):
of like if it was a hauntedpiece or whatever. But these people that
on these locations are trying to restorethem for the history purposes. Correct,
And you're taking away from that right. Well, we were supposed to do
about twenty minutes ago. Let ustake our one commercial break and then we
do it. I got a questionto ask you myself, So all right,

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So my question to you is,and you had mentioned it, and
I didn't want to bring it upbecause it's been so publicized, but you
mentioned it. So here we go. Um, since the big to do
in seventy five and so on inAmityville with the Dafaos and then of course

(01:29:09):
the lutz Is after that, hasany of the owners of that location since
then experienced anything? I don't know. I heard the one family in the
eighties and spoke up said they hadn'thad anything, but it has not been
measured. They changed the front ofthe house so it would not being recognized.

(01:29:30):
There has not been any reports sincethen. And of course you know
the warrants infamous photo of the ghostboy yea upstairs, Yes, yeah.
And I heard someone trying to bunkthat by saying it was one of the
cameraman and he was setting up somethingat room and was on his knees and
leaned out and looked over. Idon't buy that that was a little boy.

(01:29:54):
If the cameraman was from Willie wonkUp. I would believe it,
but I'm I mean, honestly,my point of it is like that picture
is one of the most highly regardedpictures in the paranormal community. Absolutely,
and I think that no one's evergoing to be able to recreate it.

(01:30:19):
The people that bought the house isthe same kind of people that bought the
Conjuring House. The Conjuring House,they're just taking advantage of it. The
Amityville House, they're choosing to putthat behind them, right. So,
unfortunately, that was one of thebig things. And I've heard from numerous

(01:30:40):
reports that do not stop at theAmityville House. They'll allow you to take
pictures, but don't travel onto theguard Yeah, so much like the people
they said. Jim was down inNew Orleans a year before COVID broke and

(01:31:02):
I was walking down the street andhappened to walk right in front of the
Madame Lellery house that I said isnow privately owned and it's an older couple,
I guess, he said, somewherein mid to late fifties, and
they were sitting out in the balconyenjoining you know, a tea or coffee
or whatever they were drinking and stopand take some pictures. It was kind

(01:31:24):
of this and inside they went wantednothing to do with it. You know,
you know I can, I canappreciate that it's it's your home now.
And you know, you know whatI get the people that you and
I are a different mold, We'rea different breeding um. We look at

(01:31:46):
locations and isn't haunted? What ishistory? Things like that, and these
people, I honestly, these peoplethat have bought Anville, you know,
all these places around the country thathad bought them up. You know the
history. You're not stupid. Youknow what the history is behind it.

(01:32:10):
You know what ramifications can come fromit if you're gonna buy it for a
private residence. Okay, great,made that clear. Don't be vague about
it. Yes, It's just likeI was out in San Francisco and I
took a picture of the full Househouse and to pick the people that owned

(01:32:31):
it actually came out. We're like, yeah, this is this is the
house. Like, okay, ifyou're gonna take a pride in it,
take pride in it. If you'renot, then you know, don't get
pissed off. People know their historyand do the research. Yes, you
know, the first time my wifeand I ever drove past the conjuring house,
it was actually owned. This wasprior to them buying the new owners

(01:32:56):
buying the house, and there werecameras posted everywhere to show there were cameras
posted everywhere of no trespassing, youknow whatever, you know, And now
they're like, yeah, one hundredbucks a night, come stay, you

(01:33:19):
know. So it leads up thewhole fact of what are you actually buying
this property for? Right, Andsee that was the thing when when we,
like I said, when we firsttook our initial walk through the Hoover
House, we knew the history ofit being a private residence, a senior

(01:33:41):
living facility as well as an upscalerestaurant. We had no idea if there
was any activity now, being thatit was a senior living facility. We
suspected that there may have been seniorswho passed on, but we had heard
new stories or anything like that asfar as um paranormal activity in the location.

(01:34:06):
Um. But while we were doinga walk through, Jim went up
on the second floor in the backsideby himself, and as Jim always up
there, Yeah, well that's thegood thing abourouse the main staircase. They
have a very short rise on theirsteps, all right, answer for him,

(01:34:26):
maneuver. Plus there's two elevators now, um. And he had his
recorder running as he always does forwhatever reason. Hey, I'm the same
way. Don't judge him. No, No, I'm glad he does because
many year ago he didn't and wemissed a lot of ship that we both
witnessed and didn't get it because hedidn't have his camera as recorder running.

(01:34:49):
Um. But he got an EVPthat said, is the deal done yet?
And so he hurriedly came back downto us on the main floor and
was kind of motioning us over awayfrom the real turn so as to not
give away his hand, and wasbasically like, we have to do this.
They're they're asking me if I've gotthe deal that we have to man?

(01:35:12):
You know, Yeah, it's turnedout for the best. It really
has. It really has, honestly, Like I mean, I've seen Stephen
Pam posts about it, and wecouldn't have better business partners, no,
never ever ever in your life becausethe pride and the care that those two
put into that place. I mean, Pam, it was not like she

(01:35:35):
just said, Okay, this boxgoes there, this box goes there,
will unpack put stuff away. Shewent room by room and she didn't start
another room until she was done withthis room and happy with the way it
turned out. And my mom hadstuff as she goes. But you know,
I mean, it was painstakingly obvioushow much time she put into making
that look the way it does.Okay, So I got a question for

(01:35:57):
you yet. Okay, okay,so we all know Ghostbusters four members?
Yes, besides for the original fourmembers of the Ghostbusters, who would be
your Ghostbuster team? I gotta pickJim. Shit, I sumped him.

(01:36:24):
I gotta pick Jim. Jim's gottabe there. This could be anybody,
anybody in the world. No,but I've got to have Jim. I'm
so comfortable working with him after twentyplus years. I think if I went
out without him it would feel awkward. It just would you grow comfortable with
the people year around? Yeah?Um oh no, the interviewee has turned

(01:36:54):
at the interview were Yeah, Iwas prepared for this obviously. Um,
I think I'd have to and andnow again, this is someone I've never
investigated with in any way, shapeor form, but I think I would
like to bring along Sean Austin.Okay, Um, so it'd be me,

(01:37:19):
Jim Sean Austin. No, you'renot included in this. Oh I'm
not included. Oh no you're not. So you have four select Okay,
so yeah, Jim Sean Austin.If I found that, then Jim doesn't
have to be I'd like Sean Austin. Kat Um, I would like yourself.

(01:37:50):
Um, I would like Ed Warren. Well, we're gonna be investigating,
yes, investigators. Oh, soit has to be someone who's alive.
Okay, No, no, itdoesn't have to be somebody else.
Lave, I'm just giving you hell. So you Ed, Sean Austin,

(01:38:13):
and a Hansholdser. You're right onpoint with that, because mine, how
can you do in a proper investigationwith all the history and the research for
that, have an anshold Runner.Okay, So I'm gonna hit you with
one here. I'm gonna do Hansholser, Ed Warren, Harry Houdini, and

(01:38:42):
then one living I'm gonna do BillMurray. Really, I thought you said
aside from the original for Ghostbusters,I did, but excuse me, no,
not Bill Murray. Ac right.Okay, his grandfather was actually has

(01:39:03):
written books on the paranormal. Yes, she's very intune with spirit, absolutely,
so that would be my team.Hans Holzer, Harry Houdini, ed
Warren dan Ak right, because youhave a skeptic in there, Harry Udini,
which is strange because he told hiswife, when I die, if

(01:39:26):
there is a way to contact youfrom the other side, I will do
it. And I knew she hadseances every year on the anniversary of his
passing for every years every year.Whether they had any anything happened, I
do not know. I don't thinkthey did. Um. I'm curious to
know if any anybody went back tothat area where they lived and has tried

(01:39:51):
that again. I don't know.That's that's one of the things I do
not know. And tried to usesome of the gear that we have now
that they didn't have access to backthen. So let's do another question.
Do you think the gear is subtractingus or confusing us from what actually is

(01:40:17):
going on? I think your bestpiece of gear is yourself correct in that
I will say that every single time. But I think gear, at least
for me, because even though I'vehad Several people tell me that I have

(01:40:38):
certain abilities and I just haven't comeout or use them or nurtured them or
developed them in any way, whichit may be possible, I don't know.
I consider myself dense when it comesto picking up on that stuff,

(01:40:58):
as in dense do you believe init? Do not trust yourself? Now
dense as in very rarely do Iwalk into a room and feel or pick
up on something. So you don'ttrust yourself enough to be able to do
that right right, Because one ofthe main things is I know so many

(01:41:20):
people who do, and I donot know how to protect myself. So
I have a fear that if Iwas to allow that to come through,
I wouldn't know how to stop it. I wouldn't know how to protect myself
from it, and things get wildlyout of control. And if it happens

(01:41:42):
to me, that's fine, butI still have to come home to a
wife and three little girls. Icompletely get it. So my wife actually
has video of me that things Ihave picked up on and actually have hitchhiked
with me home. And I amthe type of person that just out of

(01:42:05):
a nowhere snaps and can go rightinto a channeling mode. And my wife
is really the only person that canreally bring me out of it. And
she has recorded me. She knowswhen it's going to happen, and she
always has her phone out to recordme, and it uh, I my

(01:42:30):
voice completely changes, my facial featurescompletely change everything. And it's I've watched
the videos and I'm like, that'snot me, even though she's sitting right
next to me, that is notme. And I get completely where you're
coming from. And I don't wantthat to happen to myself. Like it's

(01:42:55):
definitely a very scary thing. Isa crutch. I use it so I
don't have to do what people likeyourself can do because of those fears.
If I had had any kind oftraining or mentorship as far as developing those

(01:43:16):
things, I probably wouldn't use alot of the gear I use now.
It's like two is. I useit for validation because there are certain times,
well, I know I just sawsomething or I know I just heard
this voice. Yes, let mego back and check this camera, check

(01:43:36):
this audio and see if it waspicked up, so I know that what
I heard or saw and or sawis captured. Okay, how do you
explain? Yeah, I've got somethingto validate. Oh, pardon that,
that's the somebody's cooking. I gonnasay it is the white burn something mother

(01:43:57):
in law. Ah. So nowI'll let you talk about just mute until
they get that take care of.No. But I honestly think, like
I agree with you one hundred percent, yourself is your best piece of equipment.
It really honestly is. And it'sone of those things where I don't

(01:44:25):
think a lot of people are comfortablewith because it's it's it's the high school
stage. It's the oh I cando this right. I'm afraid to say
I can do this right. Andyou know as well as I do,
there are a spit in the windof people saying I'm a medium, I'm

(01:44:53):
a psychic, I'm this, I'mthat, I'm that, I'm this,
And it's one of those things whereyou just if you know, you know,
yes, now it doesn't need bevalidated. Like I said, there

(01:45:13):
has been times here and there wheresomething I'll give you an example. We
were in Penhurst, Hey Janet.It was all four of us. Hailey
was with us and Janet had comein and went with us, and the
group that was there hosting was walkingaround, and I don't want to say

(01:45:34):
they were testing Janet, but theywere kind of like grilling her, what
do you pick up here? Wouldyou pick up here? Just to see
if she was picking up on anythingthat matched the history. Yeah, And
I was filming, basically, Iwas cameraman at that point, and we
went into one specific area and outof nowhere, I got this horrible sharp

(01:45:54):
pain in my right ankle. Imean like to the point where I'm was
like, just out of nowhere,just crump. I knew I hadn't hit
anything. I knew nothing that bitme. It just out of nowhere.
Yeah. And so the guy thatwas with jan and was asking on the
questions, I just kind of stoppedhis. Look. I don't I'm a
camera. I don't mean interrupt,but the energy that resides in this area

(01:46:16):
of the of the building. Isaid he had a bad ankle injury,
didn't he? He was like,yeah, I said it was right ankle,
he said yeah. I said hewalked with a limp, didn't he?
He said, yeah. How'd youknow that? I said, because
I just got a horrible pain inmy ankle. I knew it came out
of nowhere for no reason. Ihad to say something exactly, you know,

(01:46:38):
So I see that's like, that'slike when before she is my wife,
she came down is coming up withfive years now. I took her
for she came down from Massachusetts toOhio to visit me and her first ever

(01:46:59):
jail investigation present investigation. You justsay, what's that Mansfield? Because I
knew everybody there, right, sowe want to own up a private investigation
there. And like I said,I knew the jail at the back of
my hand because I've been there somany times. I knew the entire history

(01:47:19):
of the place everything. And whenthe people that were leading the investigation,
We're like, oh, we cango up here, and I'm just like,
nope, we're good. We're allright, We're gonna skip the entire
tour and everyone like that. Solike through the night, she had seen

(01:47:39):
some things, she heard some things, whatever, and I was testing her
because she told me that she hadabilities and everything like that, and I
was like, all right, I'mjust gonna in the back of my mind,
I'm like, I'm gonna test you. So I took her to the
location in the prison above the chapel, Oh yes, and the narrow stairway

(01:48:02):
through the wall. Yep, yes, sir, yes, sir, you
are familiar. So I took herup there and she immediately grabbed her chest
and bent over and she's like,what is this place. I'm like,
oh, this is where you know, the sick patients come and watch the

(01:48:27):
Sunday church services, you know,and she's like, I gotta get out
of here. Okay. So wego down about the two hours later,
asked her, and I'm like,so you kind of felt some things here.
I'm like, most notably up inthat area. She's like, yeah,

(01:48:50):
what was that? She's like,it hurt my chest and I'm like,
okay, well that was the areawhere the people that was diagnosed with
TB would come to have Sunday churchservices. Are you kidding me? She
was so pissed to me, butit validated for me that she could actually

(01:49:16):
pick up on things. I mean, TB is a very awful disease that
does affect the lungs. So butI've had very interesting experiences all over the

(01:49:39):
country. One of the places Iwant to make it too is actually Florida.
Originally, my wife and I weresupposed to go to Savannah for her
honeymoon, and dear COVID has madeeverything so damn expensive. Ye, it's

(01:50:00):
just not possible right now. Soum, so we're gonna do the uh
jap of the car less drive tosee where it takes us. Nothing wrong
with that at all. Um.When I was a kid, ten eleven,
twelve years old, we used togo down to visit my uncle who

(01:50:21):
lived in Saint Augustine. Oh yeayeah. If you've ever been as an
absolutely beautiful city. Oh it's amazing. Um, I've seen that. I've
been seeing the Ponston area. Um, I've been down and I don't remember
the name of the street. It'sa street not far from the Ponston thing.
Have you seen, Robert, though, what's that you seen? No?

(01:50:43):
No, that's down to the keys. I was it down the keys.
No, that's down to the keys. And I've never been down that
far. But there's a stream inSaint Augustine that it is lined with the
trees that grow up and it's agiant tree canopy. And so even in
the middle of the hottest and sunniestof summer days, it still looks like
it's evening. It's just beautiful.Um. But we went to the old

(01:51:10):
it was old Spanish for it wasn'tit old Spanish? For it down there
in Saint Augustine, which is incrediblyactive. Um. And again ten eleven,
twelve years old, before I evenknew what paranormal activity was, I
had no problems walking all around.Mom, I'm going over here and I'm
checking this out there, okay.And you know, back in those days,

(01:51:32):
you didn't have a problem and yourkid wander off at that age because
you know, I didn't have offsickness. We have now, but if
I didn't, right, Um.But even then, I remember going into
one of the prison cells in thelower levels and just remembering the feeling that

(01:51:56):
I got of if I'm in here, I'm probably not gonna make it out
alive. Um, the sadness,um, hopelessness in that room, right,

(01:52:16):
and then remembering saying out loud tomyself with no one else around,
I shouldn't be in here. I'mgoing back upstairs. Yeah. But yeah,
that place was beautiful. M allright. So well, here's what

(01:52:36):
we need to do, all right, you o the Bellair house that you've
never been to, yes, sir, and we have some some time coming
to us there, so as soonas we can set something up where I'm
actually able to attend because I don'thave to work Saturdays anymore. Um,

(01:52:57):
we will do so, and we'llschedule with you, yes, sir.
And then in the same token,since you're such good friends with miss Chearon
don coyle, anytime you want toset something up to get back to Rolling
Hills and I'm available to go becauseI don't have to work Saturdays anymore,
or whatever that may be, Ido want to set up. That's something

(01:53:18):
that the wife and I have talkedabout setting up a private investigation at Rolling
Hills with a group of ten people. That way, it is very small
and intimate. And I mean eventhat place, you could have twenty people
and they're not rolling a single person. Ye. So I mean that ironically

(01:53:41):
enough that you say there because itwas about twenty people that were there when
we went. And okay, soyou know the common room where you keep
your equipment, right, I'm out, You go to the left and there's
a so stairs it goes down.Correct when you come down to those stairs,
you come out of the stairwell,so to speak to the left of

(01:54:05):
that, at the end of thathall is a room and to the left
of the before you get to theroom on the left. It's almost like
a cutout, and there was itwas I think it was like lockers used
to be. Yeah, and there'sa steel door that if you were to
go through, it would come backout into the stairwell. Yes, yes,
okay, that steel door was weldedshut. Yep, okay. Jim

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is setting up just outside that lockerarea, facing the room at the end
of the hall, and I said, I need to go back up.
I left some batteries up there,so I go back upstairs to the common
room there. And I guess forsome reason he thought that I had come
back down, because he said,shared just told me the story too much.
A couple months ago when we weredown there, She just told me

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the story. Yeah. Where heturned around and saw man standing there and
excuse me, am, I inyour shot, thinking he was setting up
somewhere with this guy was already settingup. And the guy never said anything
to him and went through the doorwayand he and I had not come out
of the stairway. He said,where do you go? I said,
where do you go? The guythat just walked into the stairways said,
domine only went the stairs. Heswar he swore in his life, he

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saw and he went. I said, Natalie, how did he walk through
the door? Number one said numbertwo that doors welled the shot he couldn't
open it and went through. Soyeah, and again here he was thinking
he was running into another investigator shotand twenty people there. There was nobody
even in. You put thirty people. You could put thirty people in the

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rolling hills, and you never runin a single person that plays so massive
that you can't. The same withwith H'll be manor it's the same way
with another place you've never been.Hillview was amazing. I actually did a
Halloween event out of that my group, and it was absolutely amazing. Actually

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there's um I'll send you the linkfor it. But I had some very
interesting things happened to me at Hillviewthat was actually captured on camera, nice
that I cannot explain, and umit was probably one of the best things
that ever happened to me. Musthave you been to South Pittsburgh before?

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I have not. That's That's onewe've sort of really been anchoring for for
a while. COVID sort of knockedthings all back exactly. I've really wanted
to get down there, but Ihave not been down there yet, and
like when I lived, when Ilived in Ohio or right there, we'll
keep in mind, Yes, pleasedo that would be fantastic. And we

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have to get our buddy Mike Simpsonbecause he's been the number and we actually
have two good friends who are friendswith the owners, so they can hopefully
said something. You know, yes, please if you do do Old South
Pittsburgh, please let me know.I mean, that'd be awesome to do.
Um, I've never been there myself, especially living in Ohio. I

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don't know why I've never been therebecause it was just a short john,
but it'd be definitely great to see. Yeah, and I and I understand
that people are very very nice.It's a nice It's set up real nice
for you too. You know,you can you bring your betting and stuff,
but you can, you know,you can crash here and there.
I'm in my age. I'm crashand I my own writers are going.

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I don't blame you. I hitnine o'clock and I'm done. Speaking of
wish, we're we're now out oftime. That was a very quick two
hours, but a very interesting toit. It must thank you so much
for Thank you guys for having me. Yeah, no, it was really
interesting, really enjoyed all your talesand experience. Some of the questions that

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you pose were fantastic and you knowthat got into very good conversation and dialogue
about some things that I hadn't evenconsidered before, so that, you know,
that was very educational for me.Yeah, so I want to us
in the field. I also usedto be a radio show host, so
I know the question to ask,right, you go, but you got

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a good you got a good radio, you got you gotta you gotta face
for radio. I mean I voisfor radio. Yeah, I do not
the face, it's a face forradio. That's definitely sure. Thank you
again so much. And as soonas we can get some of these things
set up schedule willing, we willget these done because we've got to get
to an active location exactly. Whilewe really were yes, hey, Hoover

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House in November. Well, well, I mean we're always there, but
I want to get someplace news different. You'll you'll love it though, you
will, you will, you'll It'slike I said, you know, it's
uh, the spirits there are veryinviting, very comfortable, but Yeah,

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if you're looking for a place thatsomebody's gonna get pushed or scratched or you're
gonna get it get out, you'recoming to the wrong place. But they're
very revealing. I mean, wereally talk what I consider a lot of
high end intelligence and get some interestinginsight. And just to throw this out
there, we've even had with familyinsistance health issues and that we've had our

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loved ones come through and tell us, give us a heads up and it's
turned out to be true. Sowe really feel blessed. I mean,
what a what a marvelous gift tobe able to connect with your family and
they give your heads up on youknow, a critical health situation or something

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like that. That's awesome. It'salso yeah, you guys so much for
having me. I really appreciate itus. Yea, thank you so much,
my friend. The rest of yourMemorial Day weekend, and stay safe
and we'll be in cash Man.We'll see you all right. Thank you,
Thanks all right, and thank youall for staying with us. I'm
joining us on our new time anddate, so we will be back in

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two weeks and hopefully I should Imy god, I was trying to get
Lorie for next two weeks, soI should hopefully have a yea or name
on her this year, So assoon as I learn, I'll post that
up and we'll let everyone know.Lloyd when she comes on, we'll be
doing leadings on the line. AndI'm still trying to get that one special

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guest that was that movies in postproduction now, so um, as soon
as we have that guest, wewill let you know. Everybody, stay
safe and enjoy the rest of yourholiday weekend. H thank you for joining
Dave and Jim on Doorway to theDead. Catch us next week right here

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at eight pm every Thursday as weopen the door to paranormal discussion and more