Doorway to the Dead Ep#16

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Episode Transcript

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There are things in this world wecannot explain, something hidden just beyond our
view. Journey with us as weattempt to pierce the veil between our world
and theirs. Join us as wepassed through the doorway to the day.

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Join us at w l V DASHDVdot com for upcoming shows and so much
more. Welcome in everyone. Itis Sunday evening, six pm, January
ninth, twenty twenty two. Iam Dave. This is Jim. We're
one half of Keystone State Paranormal Societyand this is do our way to the

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Dead. First show of the newyear, first show and about a month,
a month, month and a half. Yeah, you know, I've
gotten covid um. You guys arevaccinated. You didn't get it. But
then came the big move to ournew house. So it's just been very,

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very hectic. We want to thankeverybody for two a m and we
missed you all and we hope thatyou know everybody's doing well. We appreciate
you hanging out and waiting for us. But tonight it's going to be a
very very cool episode. We havesome friends of ours that we met as

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we met a lot of people atthe Gettysburg Battlefield Bash. Not only do
they have their own paranormal team investigationteam, they also have their own event
team and they've booked a weekend todo an event at the historic nineteen twelve

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Hoover House Ben Breakfast. These guysare en gals, our top notch.
They they are very experienced. Iknow they do their own video editing.
They have I believe they have ashow on I don't know if it's Prime

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or YouTube or one of the streamingservices that they do, and I've watched
quite a few episodes fantastic Um andthey do it the right way. You
know, there's no provoking and allthis there's everything's not a demon. You
know, they show what's out thereand they let you make your own decisions
and what you think you saw warddidn't see or heard or didn't here.

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And you know their their style mixureis very well with ours. So,
without further ado, we're gonna getahead and bring in Lyle and Ton of
Loss and Brandon Johnson of Twisted ParanormalSociety and the Haunted Knights Paranormal Defense Team.

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Everybody, what's up? So?How are how is everybody doing good?
Doing good? Thank you guys forhaving us appreciate thank yeah, we
were coming so grateful to have you, especially after we found out, you
know, the big news about youguys and you're haunted. Knights Paranormal Events

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Service decide to set up an eventat the Hoover House. Yeah, you
know that's one of those places thatand we've said this, I don't know
how many times that we feel thespirits guided us to that location and even
amiss the lockdown and everything that wasgoing wrong in the country with COVID and
whatnot, that that place that wewere supposed to be there at that time

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and it fell right into his lap. And you know, we couldn't have
better business partners in pay and Stevethe barriers of course from the bash and
all the charitable things they do,so everything just fell to where it's supposed
to be. And now that we'vebeen there this well, next month will

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be a year February, Yeah,February, there was a year since we
required it. We really didn't havethe bed and breakfast certificates and all that
permits and jump foote lay in Aprilthat actually we're currently working on. We're
waiting for the count of Waynesbur they'vegot, you know, working with towns,

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it always takes it's like watching paintdrive. But we have applied for
and we've been told that they're rezoningtwo properties here. In other words,
the town about a year ago acquiredright on Main Street, the old Colgate
House. It's a two story brickhouse building the eighteen fifties and it served

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when they collected the tolls on theWaynesburg Turnpike back in the day. Families
lived there and then just about thirtyforty yards and back of it, going
up the hill, it's a beautifulcemetery. Right there, there's a log
cabin that was building the seventeen seventiesand served as the first church, the

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first school, and the first birthinghouse to eighteen hundreds. So we will
have with the v zoning. Wehave secured the mental agreement from the town
for that. Steve's gonna have theone property for his Gettisburg Ghost Exchange too,

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with equipment. But we've been toldby the spirits of the Hoover House
that both the log cabin and thetoll house have a lot of active spirits.
We've been told they make up ofspirits from both the residents and spirits
reflected from some of the cemetery personnel, and now we don't have to worry

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about the nature of those spirits arenot malicious, but we've been told they're
pretty active. So as soon asthe zoning permits go through, we're anticipating
the end of March, so hopefullywe'll have those properties available and they will
both be part of the Hoover Houseexchange, so that you know, as

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you come in to investigate the HooverHouse, you will also be able to
take some of your group up tothe toll Gate House, which I said
two stories. It has a bathroodfacility and it is air conditioned heated,
and then the log cabin. Nowthat doesn't have the amenities of bathroom,

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it does have heating I think,but they will both be open to those
groups to be able to set upand investigate. So that'll all be part
of the experience and much in thevein of what you guys are doing,
not on the on the grand scaleof an an actually offence company, but

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Jim and Steve purchased a short oldschool bus that is an amazing condition.
We will be doing handicapped to Quinns. Yes, got a live that we
will be doing historical tours and paranormaltours University of Waynesborough out of the Loccademy.

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Yeah, we're on board with WaynesboroHistoric Society. You were doing volunteer
where they actually all the cemetery recordsfor all the cemeteries in the area.
So we're doing a lot of researchand we've actually secured about three businesses in

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town that are noted on the GhostStore for activity and they're all on board
for even setting up some investigations investigationsof specific locations. And the other neat
thing is the library in town.It's two stories, pretty good sized building.
They have told us they believe it'shaunted. I don't know that there's

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ever been a public investigation, butthey want us to do it and they're
on board with allowing us to postpublic investigations at the library as well.
So we're hopeful that in due timewe might have five or six locations all
on that main street within three orfour blocks of one another for investigations.

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So this is a very new areaas far as being exposed to the paragormal
world. Investigations and like anything,you get two sides of the coin.
We have a whole group of peoplethat are very interested in this going on
and have been very friendly and open, and then we've been sort of worn

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that you also have, say areligious element that maybe not so cool about.
So we're not We're sort of takingthings in a proper manner, you
know, not trying to force anythingon anybody, but have a lot of
high hope. The town has beenvery welcoming and friendly, and this is

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pretty much virgin territory. So soI think this year should be really interesting
and hopefully it's a whole new bagof worms, and it should being prosperous,
not just for the business team ofthe Hoover House, but for the
town as well. Yeah, he'sgoing to bring a lot more tourism to
Pa we already had. There's abouta block block and a half from us,

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further up on Main Street, there'sa building called the Leland Home Townlets,
sort of a nursing hometown, andover the years it's been a flop
house and other things. And there'sa couple of ghosts noted in the tour
there involving that that particular residence,and we actually have had workers there at

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the Lelands. Some of the nursinghome workers have come down in the quested
we keep our spirits in our ownhounds. That's exactly. They're seeing these
spirits up in the Leland carrying on. And there's two or three up we
know about because we have their historiesand they've come through on some of the

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table sessions. So but that wasfunny to come down and saying, you
know they're causing us in troubles.Can you keep your spirits in your own
location so you have the answers tothat. I'm over. Yeah, okay,
so real quick before thrilling you guysabout everything, I did want to

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make a special announcement. Love.It's really really sad news. You guys
are aware of John McGinnis. I'msure does a lot of film, you
know. John. Yeah, hehad put on Facebook just yesterday or today
that Pam saw I think it wastoday. Pam saw it. His autistic

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son passed away in his sleep lastnight, so not from coming, just
in his sleep, and they don'tknow that's that's basically always said, he
passed away in his sleep. Sospecial shout out to John and his family.
I know that how Rex got tojust be horrible for him. Jesse

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was you know, obviously with autism, there are difficulties with you know,
parents have with autistic children. Buthe would bring him to events and he
was just the most happy, golucky kid, always nice, love to
investigate, was very respectful of thespirits, and our hearts go out to
John and his family. So justa little prayer for them. But back

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on to you guys. So Iknow that you guys have had Twisted Paranormal
Society for quite a few years.Yes, um, I was saying that
in the introduction, and it's myfault. I didn't do enough of research.
I don't remember where are you guys? Are your shows that that you
do and that that Brandon works onso well both of us? Is that

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on Prime? Amazon Prime? It'sactually on uh well you get I think
it may still be able to beseen on Prime because when we were you
can buy the episodes on Prime.Yet when we were with Vitty Space,
they had it there. But we'veactually moved now to uh to Paraflix okay,
which is basically the Netflix of theParallel, which is awesome. There's

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so much no I see, I'mfamiliar with that he can give us a
little He fell on that well backin UM we reached out to them.
We were with Vitty Space and wereached out. We saw this new thing
was coming. And it was backthe beginning of twenty twenty one. I
want to say it was um,actually was weird. We were all sitting

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right here at my table where we'reat now and UM, we sent a
prombo over to them next day andit was wasn't even ten minutes and they
were back to us and it waslike, we want to have you guys
on paraflicks so well that at thesemeetings and do all this. We did
and they fired up the actual paraflictsof streaming service. I think was March

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twenty first, twenty twenty one.And it's been UM, it's been awesome
And there's so much great content onthere. UM, so many great people.
UM. And we're proud to bea part of that. Well yeah,
owned by Natalie Jones. UM.There's quite a few people that are

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a part of the board there,like Patty Negrie from Ghost Adventures. UM,
she's one of the board members.The father of Sebastian Yeah, um,
Nick, I can't say Nick's lastname yeah, and then of course
said out Mike Hatcher that works withthem on the you know, and he's
one of the main crew there too. So it's been just awesome because they

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display you and they market you,and there's so many great things that come
out of it. And um,we're proud. I mean, we're really
proud to be a part of it. I know, we're We've had our
full season one running there for theyear. They just did a broadcast of
it's October through December twenty three,I think that's what it was. They

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ran the whole full season again calledTwisted Thursties, and and now we're getting
ready to kick off season two realsoon. We're finishing up our first we've
got second episode in editing as well. This guy, this guy gets up
before he gets up about five o'clockin the morning, he edits. Then

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then he comes home from work,edits half the night anytime. Then he's
whole. He's editing. It's crazybetween myself and a gentleman below me right
here, I can't you can't seemy point. Everyday. Uh, you
know, we do a lot ofwe do a lot of work on it,

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um and you know, I wantto give you a shout out people
to realize Oh my god. Imean to the casual observer, they don't
realize the sacrifice behind the scenes.Oh my god. I know, like
an art case. We're so manyyears behind years, you know. And

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and I almost think it's just thingbecause um, so much great stuff that's
just not out there for people toenjoy. But it's just because of the
diligence and the dedication that you guyshave. But that's stuffs out there and
available to people. I'm just realshout out for appreciating Red the people that

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are so willing to do that.It is a giant now. Oh yeah,
I mean, you know, we'vebeen doing it for a quite some
time. I think we started offthe Twisting Realm. We started as a
DVD series and that was back andwe started our first episode for that back

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in late twenty thirteenth. Yeah,and we ran. We did a five
DVD run um, but I thinkwe finally kicked over to the streaming part
um that started doing more. Wewere gonna do more episodes for DVD,
but we decided to go to thestreaming side and that's when vide space came
along. And then next thing youknow, now Paraflix has come along.

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So between Brandon and myself and therest of the crew, um, you
know, we've got the Realm crew, We've got the Hunted Nights crew,
which is basically the Realm crew.Um, so you know, we put
a lot of work into its.Brandon and I actually have our own production
company called L and B Media Productions. So between he and I, we

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we we go. We do thefull b roll filming, um, you
know, full everything you need tobuild up to an episode, then to
carry the cameras while we're investigating andfilming and doing all that as well.
And it's like there's a lot thatgoes into it. I mean, we
don't sleep. Do you still getthe enjoyment out of the investigating with all

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that behind the scenes? You knowwhy? You know what's different is because
we're not just camera operators that arethere filming other people. We are actually
a part of the whole thing.Okay, and most of the time we're
both filming at the same time,so we're looking if something happens to me
or whatever. Brandon's like, it'slike we feed off of each other.

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It's like we look at each other. Yeah, yes, so you know,
we we've gotten it down to wherewe know how to do it right.
And um, you know the greatcrew that we have, the Twisted
Paranormal Society team, which is youknow, of course myself, Brandon,
Tanna, and Melissa Sikes. Andthen we've got two other break Um crew

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members, John Lynn Harris, whoare from RBA Paranormal Um. They've jumped
on board with the Realm crew andand like I said, Saint people have
jumped over from the Realm two hundredKnights when it comes to the invest because
I love to investigate, and it'sreally good to go and investigate, and
I have to carry cameras you know, and work with people get on your

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back. Yeah, that's especially withBrandon. You're just having a young one
not too long ago. Um,I mean that's a hell of a balance.
Now I got three daughters and theyoungest is ten, so I mean

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they're old enough to kind of besell myself sufficient and it's still a balance
of time issue between the work andthe kids and the wife and now the
new house and oh yeah, we'vegot this event we're gonna go do or
we got this paracom we're going toor you know, we want to book.
There's so many places we want tobook. But it's yeah, it's

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definitely interesting. You know. It'slike when it comes to Haunted Knights,
my wife is also a part ofthe crew, so she, uh,
we go together, so you know, and then when it's filming and I
go away with the crew, it'salways he knows where we're going. It's
dead and mama ghosting. That's that's, that's what he says. Well,

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I've always admired your work. Youguys really present an accurate depiction of what's
going on, and that's something youknow that that that's something that sometimes leaves
a lot to be desired. Um, and I'm really excited for you guys
coming to the Hoover House and beingable to experience. We always before our

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groups come in, we always havea full possession with our spirits and sort
of vouch for the groups we havecoming in because we've we've actually made a
pact with our spirits that will maintainthe integrity and respect for us and they
sort of protect us. And soit is. It's it's a two way

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relationship. And there's groups, quitehonestly that we have turned down. You
know just because um, I know, yeah, I know, we said
we take but in that we alwaysask our spirits say, look as team's
coming in, they're really good,We're going to vouch for them. You'll

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love their orders when they get here. And generally speaking, we just had
such amazing results. I mean,um, it's it's really been interesting.
So I'm very excited about y'all comingand seeing we have Mike Man. We
have a heavy overdose of children becausePam does the Haunted Orphanage and get Hissburg

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here. At the end of Novemberand December, before Christmas, we had
done a couple public investigations and atthe one we hooked up with all these
children they're at the orphanage and theycame back with us. We had fifteen
and they gave us their names andall. And then on two or three

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weeks later we had another session.We had three came back, so we
had in our we agreed we putup a tree for him, so we
had a little child's tree. Sowe just recently this past week, we
asked them if they were going backto the orphanage, if they were going
to stay, and they're staying.So so as for right now, yeah,

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we have a lot of children,and evidently the original couple, the
father and the daughter that often sortof vet our spirits as they come,
they've been tied up taking care ofthese children. So it's the mother.
It's we're learning a lot by theseat of our pants. Yeah that's cool

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though, Yeah, so I'm reallyuh so they've been playing games. A
matter of fact, I guess abouta week ago we had a group in
and one of one of their membershad had a flatulence problem. So,
yes, the guys exploding. Allthe ghost kids are wrapping for jokes making

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to the other side. I wasin the room for as long as my
old factory census could take and everysingle time he did it rampots and it
was pretty strange. But the goodthing is they don't seem to have an

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issue using the equipment. And it'syou know, like Jim loves his table
tippings, so Jim's around. Theyknow we're gonna go and play with the
big tables when groups come in.Some of them prefer rampods. Okay,
we'll play with these. Other onesdon't have so many rampots, but they'll

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have flashlights. Okay, we'll turnnos one and all. The big thing,
especially with the sense of kits havebeen there's the little cat bowls they
play. They're like like they're goingout of style. I mean, it's
they're very cooperative because, like likeJim said, when we vouched for the
teams coming in and they come inand they as soon as they come in,
ye have an unpactors. Hey,how are you? You know what's

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the agenda? They're getting read bythe spirits, and the spirits is like,
okay, we can work with theseguys. And it's uh, I
don't think we've had in disappointments.But as I told you, if you're
there to have a scary experience likeyou know, confunding all, yeah,

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you'd probably be a little disappointed.Right. We have a lot of lats,
and we have a lot of tearsbecause you know, when we do
them we do with the table tipping, we connect a lot of family members
a false devoid and it can bequite emotional. Yeah, So we we're

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between the tears and the laughter,so you know, not so much.
And the thing about it too iseven if we were the type of people
who wanted that that negative presence thatcan get that scare that jumps scared.
You know, even if that wasour style, which of course it's not.
We don't don't. We try toavoid that as much as possible.

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Right, it wouldn't be allowed inthe house. The original builder and owner,
he is king of the mountain andhe anything that's trying to come in
if he did. A friend ofours had bought a table that had an
attachment and he wanted to bring itinto the house and try and do some
table tipping and that thing. Youcan feel a fire, but it would

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not go anywhere. So switched toone of our tables, and I basically
came to and said, I don'tlike the energy with that. I don't
want in my house. Get outof my house. Wow, they don't
allow the negative stuff in there.So and because of that, the very
first event we ever did was mywife actually organized a thing with my daughter's

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school to have the school kids comeover with their families and we had like
a little hayfire forty five minute sessionwhen we about the equipment and all some
stuff, and then we do wasequipment, just let them do at the
house, and they had a greattime. They were parents that we were
like my kids aren't even at school, but I still come and we had
no issues with that because we knewthere was nothing there that was gonna hard

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the shorter. Yeah, so Imean we have we have our path,
those stories and you know obviously therebut uh and and the basement is a
little open because it used to bea speak easy there, speak easy end
to day what was called the mindshow mine, coal mine, coal mine,

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and uh there there was some sadcases and a little thing. So
the basement has sort of its ownyou know. But anyhow, I won't
get in anymore. Good I'll letyou guys experience all yours. But awesome
to hear about it all because youknow, I mean we've only we made

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one visit there and that was backum it was July fourth weekend. Yeah
we were there. It was beforethough, Yeah, we were that we
came there. We actually were workingat her Ridge Weekend with dinner with a
ghost who we kind of partner upwith. And this is one of those

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times where I went there to gokind of learn there what they do as
part of their events. So becausesince we're co working together on multiple things,
we just wanted to learn. Iwanted to learn their process. So
when that was over, we decidedwe were going to go out and go
visit Pam and Steve. It's atthe Hooper House, and you know,

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we we loved it when we came. It's beautiful and we were like,
because we'd already talked to him,I think about events, we just had
locked any dates down yet, andso basically, you know, we're doing
our Rate Chaser event in March andthen we're doing our Denner with a Ghost
event in June. So we wantedto get a good feel and just hearing

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the great stories. Something we loveplaces like this, that's you know,
people love it. So speaking ofwhich, Okay, you've got your your
normal everyday family life, you've gotyour normal everyday jobs. You've got your
children or grandchildren, whatever the casemay be. You've got your paranormal investigations

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with the Twisted Team, which we'regonna have time to start an event organization
like this. Let alone have ablow up the way it has. Yeah,
well, I were you low youkind of you had divisions on bout
you just you blind my mind headwell and and Haunted Knights. I know

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we did our first event and Ithink it was April, was a April
okay. But before that, youknow, we had attended you know,
many events, you know, thebig pay money events, and you know,
it was kind of getting and itjust kind of fed back to me
certain things that I liked and Ididn't like about them, and I was

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like, you know, down theroad, you know, working with Twisted,
you know, we were like manytimes we were asked about can we
come investigate with you guys and dothis? You know, when you're doing
a shoot, it's kind of hardto do that. Yeah. Yeah,
So we were like, this wouldbe a great opportunity. And we had
done a realm shoot at a placecalled the Silver Thatch End, which is

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in Charlesville, Virginia, and thelady there wanted to do a big event.
So we decided, okay, welllet's work together. And you know,
we had booked Scott Porter and StephanieBurked for that event, and closer
to the event, it was likehopin she We started booking in January and
the event was in April. ComeMarch. First, the lady that owns

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the location just up and set up. We're going to cancel this, just
pull the plug. And then Scottand Stephanie were like, well, wait
a minute, we got this.What are we gonna do? What can
we do? So we kind offound another location and we had a very
successful event come April of twenty eighteen, and that was kind of the kickoff
of Haunted Knights Arritable events. Butthen Haunted Nights Parl events kind of disappeared

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for a while because a lot ofrealm shooting took place over the next year
and a half. It was likerealm, realm, realm boom, boom
boom, doing stuff like that,which finished up our season one. And
and then come I think it wasit was probably late summer of twenty nineteen

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is when we Tna, myself andBrandon. We just sat down, It's
like, well, why don't wethink about bringing Haunted Knights back, you
know? And then we did,and we put our first event together in
March I think it was, itmight have been in April of twenty twenty
event, but you know what happenedin March of twenty twenty. We all

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know it happened. The whole worldone to hell. So of course our
very first event that we've been promotingfor months, we had to cancel next
event that we had booked we hadto cancel. It was like, okay,
is this really gonna work? Isthis? Is this a bad sign?
What's going on? So, youknow, the kind of things kind

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of calmed down a little bit,so by June July we were able to
kick off. Now, let's seetwenty twenty. We only had five events
in twenty twenty, okay, butthen we know at the end of twenty
twenty, things kind of peeked backup again. Had to cancel things for
almost the first half of the year, and then next thing, you know,
we started off in Our first eventwas Saint Albans June of twenty twenty

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one, and we had nine eventsthat particularly year until we wrapped up in
December. So this year is goingto be this year we've got probably two
times events yea. And but it'sjust because people were like, man,
we had so much fun. Wewant to do it again, you guys,
do it right, we want sowe kind of followed. We play

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off of our people and we've gotsuch a great clientele. We call them
our Haunted Knight's Family because that's whatthey are. I mean, they come,
they support, they bring new peopleall the time and it's just it's
it's amazing to watch people because alot of times when you were at the
events, well, well, Iask, okay, how many people have

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actually done this before? You know. So there's some locations where we'll get
okay, probably may have done it. But then there's some locations where you
might have five percent that have doneit, and you're breaking in a whole
lot of new people. And bythe time they leave that night, they
had a blast their hooked right.And that's the thing. Once you get

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in yes, you get that,you get it in there, their hooks
don't come out. Yeah, it'sit's it's great. So and then we
have a great crew that helps tomake it work. So and some of
our crew we've actually like some ofthe people we just recently brought on.
We're from our event at Saint Albansin June of twenty twenty one that they

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started coming every time we turn aroundthere they were. They were at the
events, and we were like,and they had come from another event company
and decided to come try us out. And then we were like, okay,
you cow much. You guys reallyliked this. You do do you
want to be a full timer inthis not full you know what to bean
by full time? Right? Notso yeah, next thing, you know,

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we've got three new people that comeon board, and you know,
and but our clientele keeps growing,so it's almost like we got to have
some more people. So it's likethat to handle the amount of people and
that are coming, well, Ithink so much to have a flex on
the quality that you have with thoseevents, right, people know the genuine
article, Yeah they do, andand it we get a lot of people.

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It's weird. We get a lotof people who come to the Hoover
House and they'll tell us I don'tknow why I'm here. Well, we
know, sometimes this is no life. Sometimes a relative of their shows up
like the day before they come andthey're waiting for them, and they'll actually
come to me and tell me,how can you get so and so on

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the table, And I'm like,like, I promise, I'll try show
up. And generally, I mean, it's it's always a beautiful thing.
You know, it's um but it'suh, we get that a lot.
And I think people are drawn.I mean people are searching for something right

(35:45):
now. I mean we're losing mosttouch with so many of our standards.
You know, they were part ofour life and so I think people have
sort of a spiritual quest right now. And hopefully I don't mean to offend
anybody. I'm not equating, butyou know, for your work in the

(36:07):
field, very high spiritual value inall of this. I mean there are
sometimes sessions where I'll get is upliftingand a growth experiences if I was in
my church for something right, andI think that's what if you're putting on
an actual, truthful event and allowingspirit to manifest to that point, I

(36:32):
think it touches that pace is growing. This is you know, let's face
as long as as long as I'vebeen involved with this, if this was
a craze, it would have endedyears ago, and I think we're still
on an upward was doing and especiallynow coming out of COVID, people are
tired, suck down and restricted andthey want these new experiences. I think,

(37:00):
I think really what it is.Also, it's like if you when
you come to one of our events, Um, you don't just come in,
sit down, kind of look aroundand wait for the investigation to begin.
You know, we come up,we talk with you. We pretty
much It's like Olive garden when you'rehere your family, you kind of walk
in and right away you know we'reinteracting. And because you're here for a

(37:22):
reason, whether your wife drug youhere, your your girlfriend drug you here,
you had a general interest, youknow, in the paranormal. It's
almost kind of in a perverse way, kind of like a reverse a meeting
where you're here for certain reason andyou want somebody to talk to. You
may be new to the paranormal,you may have had an experience to where

(37:44):
you don't know what happened to you, but you're around people that have the
same kind of store your quest,so you feel this level of comfortable,
like you're being very comfortable exactly.You know, we treat it like we
treat it like a rock show partywithout the rock show. We have the

(38:05):
we have the music, but wetreat like a really good time to where
if you're not sure about the paranormal, you know, we're not trying to
convince you, but if you canleave at the end of the night scratching
your head, yeah I don't knowwhy that happened, and that's almost mission
accomplished. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. That's a good point.
But at least for Gemini. Iknow that's one of the things that

(38:30):
you know, we've just together alittle over twenty plus, twenty one years
now, you have longer than thatbefore I was around, you know.
But there's still things that we seehappen on the events that still amazes us.
You know. A perfect example.We have a friend named Katie Turner

(38:51):
who is a very powerful psychic medium. Lives up in Canada, Toronto,
right yeah, and she's dying toget down but you know, with the
border and the vis and all that. But she has told us, I
don't know how many times I've beenthere. I've never physically been there,
but I've been there. And shebefore she had never seen any pictures.

(39:13):
She can tell us, Okay,if you walk from where you're at right
now, if you walk ten feetand make a left, you're in this
room and it looks like this.You know she's she's there. She's found
herself fasterly projected into the Hoover Houseon four or five occasions when she's not
trying to do it right, andso she's really perplexed right now what it

(39:34):
is you India. But she'll sendme, do you have a radiator?
Looks like this, you know,deffy things like that, and she goes,
I really do hope you know whenthis ends, I've got to get
there because something has drawn her inthere where she actually sees it and visualizes

(39:54):
it, but she doesn't know whatand what. Ways. The other one,
the the people just kind of wanderedit and they asked if we had
a room available for that night,and it was well, they had some
kind of personal link to the placeher. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We've had just a lot of wonderfulbut just very range connections. Yeah,

(40:15):
we're We even had one where therewas two couples. They were coming in
on an event and the next morningwhen they were having breakfast that they're looking
at each other and the guy goes, oh, my gosh, she's just
I think I took your wife tothe senior prom. Now twenty some years

(40:36):
ago. They had been each other'sdate for this time and had you know,
had I kept touched them And herethey met the next morning at the
house and they took pictures in andabout, and of course Pam's going and
it's kids met. You know,what are the odds they just had the

(40:57):
same ways from the same weekend likethat you know. Yeah, so paranamal
draws you man, it does,it does, and they guide you the
last place, which we don't mentionthe name because we want to get suited
or anything, but the last placethem were in charge of. You guys
have been too I'm sure there.Really we were going to do there and

(41:20):
we had to cancel it. Ohokay, well it was it was a
special place. And when this wholebusiness then came about, that's what he
was trying to get first, tosave that place. And the owners just
would not work with us in anyway. They wanted nothing to do with
payment, Steve. But while wewere in the process of trying to save

(41:40):
this place, the spirits there kepttalking about a green room, green room,
green room, so much so thatwe thought that they wanted us to
take the smoking part of which waspurple and painted green. And we're point
out some one, well this wouldlook okay, but it's a little too
creepy, and you know, itfell through. It didn't work. And
then his sister found the Hoover Housejust by random chance on the internet,

(42:05):
and we went there and walking throughand one of the first rooms we got
into, one of the main levelscreen well, if they were talking,
they were leading us here the wholetime, but we were just too human
to get it. You know,well always say do we not? There
are no coincidences? There isn't notat all, And to be true with

(42:27):
that, I think that's the reason. That's what something or somebody led me
to Lyle Antana. You know,it was just a weird series of events.
You know. Um, I wason another paranormal team for a while
and it just got very toxic.And that's one thing. Also, It's
like I preach it a lot.If you're not happy with the team or

(42:52):
people you investigate with, get out, man, because that negativity you bring
into a location, it's it's notgood mentally, spiritually, physically, it
could lead to bad things. SoI decided to walk and then by happenstance,
I had to walk into a foodlion and then there's Lyle and we

(43:13):
kind of engaged in the conversation andit's just all been downhill ever since.
But we all came home and toldme he said, hey, I talked
to Brandon and he's leaving the otherteam and we brit him on it.
At first, is just the cameraguy, and then um, it led

(43:34):
to a bigger spot. He yeah, were shifting here, we shifting one
second, Yeah, shifting here,we got shifted. I'm too slow for
shape shifting. That's better. Hegot interesting that the house swimming here that

(44:00):
day just got it was built ineighteen ninety and they all upgraded and all
new and they're they're they're having activityin here, the kids. A couple
of times they've all heard somebody callingout or the kids will hear a conversation
down here. So we haven't reallyfigured out who it is. But you

(44:24):
know who knows this place might bepart of the tour? Is that Wayne
Sporol too, Yeah it is,Yeah, he's They're about two blocks from
the Hoover House, well a lotof the main street. So yeah,
it's this weird the way everything's beendrawn. Us. I live in Chambersburg

(44:47):
about I don't make twenty minutes away, Okay, okay, we're we're about
twenty five miles west due west ofGettisburg, and then our town was burnt
during the Civil War in eighteen sixtyfour. Southern troops came up in the
lance in the town. They'd alreadytaken all the money out of the bank,

(45:09):
so they wound up burning some ofthe town. And that's the other
neat thing is the history of here. We have like five major Civil War
battles that all took place within abouttwenty miles in the various directions, So
a lot of neat history. Andthen we also have several Indian massacres that

(45:31):
happened, you know, within fiveor six miles. In the seventeen what
was at the seventeen seventeen sixties,we had the first, I guess there
was the first school massacre in theUnited States. Was here. There was
a schoolhouse and the Delaware Indians happenedupon it and wound up killing the schoolmass

(46:00):
in ten of the children, scoutthem all. One young boy survived.
He lost about three quarters of hisscout but survived, but he was never
he was never right, and they'vegot him in a mass grave over there.
But anyhow, so we've got alot of interesting history in the area
and some has really drawn up.There's I'm as you were saying, there's

(46:23):
no circumstance. Something's telling me thatthey want this story to get out about
about what all you know going onit? And let's face it, there's
tons of small little cities like thiscountry that no one's really bothered getting involved

(46:44):
with and developed. Right, soyou know, we're always drawn to those
famous locations and all that. Everybodyyou know likes the name Droppers, but
oh my gosh, stuff you getin a new area. Spirit hasn't been
talked to in a long time.They just can't get enough. They all

(47:06):
have a story that they want toget out. It's just like we're Lala
are in Brandon. We're in Fishersville, but the city right beside us is
also Waynesboro, and it's very haunted, but the city will not let you
do anything. See that's that's theother play. Yeah, yeah, we

(47:30):
years ago we got approached in Chambersburg. We have the oldest jail in Pennsylvania,
predate seastern penn and it's the andit's no longer in use, but
it's they're in really good shape andit even has the original dungeons and they

(47:50):
did hangings there. I think thelast one was in the sixties. Um.
But anyhow, they had invited usin. No one in that done
like a full investigation. So wewent in there and had a really interesting
night, a lot of cool things. But then the Franklin County Historic Society

(48:10):
sort of rose up and got Idon't know, they just got angry and
yeah, blocked it. So noone's ever been able to I feel bad
about that. I mean it's reallynothing we did, right, But you
do want it into that still,right, Yeah? Yeah, you do
run into that a lot, especiallyaround here. I mean even you know,

(48:34):
if we've got Stanton, Virginia ofcourse Waynesboro, a lot of cool
places there that they just don't wantyou touching. Yeah, they don't want
the history brought up or whatever itis. Um, you know, but
that's okay. I mean I hearstories all the time of people breaking into
these locations and you want to gointo trows Like God, no, no,

(48:54):
that's not up to me. Idon't do that. You know,
we do it the legitimate way.Yeah. I used when I was in
high school. In my college days, I was big in the National Speological
Society. So I've been down yourneck of the woods. Yes, you've
been surprised. We actually did atwo It was either two or three hour

(49:19):
investigation at Grand Caverns. Oh wow, that's cool. We got to go.
It was crazy. It was weirdhow it came about. But we
got ourselves in there and got toinvestigate the caves, like I said,
for two to three hours. Thelocal news team was there with us walking
through. That's crazy, I meanso, I mean, but then after

(49:44):
that it was like we don't wantthat going on and and this and that,
and you know why not. Imean, it's it's a it's a
big draw for a lot of people. I mean, people that don't want
to explore the haunted side out oftheir locations. Um, you know,
they miss out on a lot ofrevenue us to that. What what kind

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of spirits do you think you werein touch with? There? You know
in the caves there, they actuallyhave the Civil War soldiers during there with
the battles that were Yeah, theyused to hide in there, um,
you know, especially the wounded.And you know, so you've got names
actually scribbled on rocks inside of thecaves there, and you get deep in

(50:32):
and you know, you got likethat. I think it was Devil's dim.
It was Devil's something that is notDevil's Den, but I think it's
Devil's Something in there. It's justa little hole up in the rocks.
We got to go down normally it'soff the walking path. You have to
go down and go up to itwith her, you know, her recorders
inside of the actual hole. Butthat whole leads back into a whole different

(50:57):
spote of caverns, and it's reallydark, and they think a lot of
bad energy comes from there. Wow. See I was in the cave and
before I was in the spirit worldbecause I and at that point I really
probably wasn't picking up on energies likeI do now. So I mean I
may have encountered quite a few.I was probably vious, you know,

(51:22):
but I'm the melos caverns used tobe commercial down on your neck, and
they had a whole lot of areaswhere the soldiers had designed their names,
you know, with the smoke andeverything. And I think they've even been
a minor skirmish toward the face ofthe cave mistaken. But yeah, and

(51:45):
then also we've seen a lot ofthe old This would be back in the
early sixties. I guess we actuallyfound sluice trades where you know, they
used the saltpeter to sound God,their saltpeter from the caves in that area
for the Civil War. When Ifirst started, there were some of the

(52:05):
old sleuth trays in there with allthe flow stone like over it and everything,
and the walls with the saltpeters.So you know, I wouldn't it
all be surprised if there was someuh static energies and whatnot from that period.
It's nothing like being down in thosecaves. Yeah. They we say

(52:27):
okay, it's time and they justcut the lights. Yes, you want
to talk about dark, I knowhe's and it's quiet and so dark,
and it's like you can you knowif something happened a mile that way in
the caves, you would hear it. Yeah, you know, just how
it was. But it was veryinteresting. I think that was like twenty
fifteen. Oh yeah. Yeah.The people, the people at Endless cavernss

(52:52):
Old will always feel nice. Theyhad a camping area I believe there and
stuff. Yeah that they were allstate. Yeah. I love the opportunity
to go do that again. There'sa lot of places around especially like they
sit around here that you know,you can't touch it. But what they
don't understand is a lot of businessesand organizations locations really were hit hard by

(53:19):
the pandemic, very heavily hit hard. And it's a niche market that people
just don't tap into the paranormal field. You know, you have people that
spend either their retirement or that's theircareer. They're their vloggers or film people
that that's what they do. Theytravel these locations and it can get you

(53:40):
really good publicity and you can youknow, the money you charge for investigation
fees or overnights could help. Imean, it's not gonna put all the
money back into your bank, butit can help you keep the lights on.
And I think what it is isjust like you have some some teams
or some companies or whatnot that thatunfortunately give a lot of bad names.

(54:04):
I know there's been locations that hadbad experiences, people leaving trash everywhere,
leaving batteries, conjuring up things,and that puts it. That's why,
you know, we always say,if you're not supposed to be there,
don't go there. Don't give everybodyelse because yeah, you may get a
million views on your TikTok for this, but you're ruining it for everybody else

(54:25):
because guess what, I hope thatmillion views is worth it because nobody else
is ever going to get in there, right, Yeah, So this is
the respect factor. Then you know, you have people not bad or anything.
I don't know which your makeup,your spirit killers. I haven't had
that. We're oh my gosh.I mean they can just walk in the
room and it's like the spirits arerunning out of them like, oh my

(54:52):
gosh, I don't know what thatis. Like just something about and not
that they're a bad person or anything, right, something about their makeup is
just in strict dia opposite of whateverattracts. I think it's the energy they
bring in, Like if you're havingsaying you're having problems that you know you

(55:16):
can't help, whether they're emotional problemsor you know, problems on the outside.
But if you I think if youbring that with you, the spirits
can sense it. Oh yeah,no, no, they need And that's
one of the things I often do, Like you know, if we're making
initial contact and I'll tell them,I'll say, we you know, look

(55:38):
at our oars set check us out. You'll see, you know, like
we're we're approaching this in an openmemes and stuff like that, we really
just want to communicate with you.And then I constantly thank spirit every time
finished sessions. I really I letthem know how much I appreciate their openness,

(56:01):
the willingness to communicate and most ofall trusters, but it's you know,
they there in many ways, thereis relying on us as we are
them. Yeah, a lot ofthis. So it's definitely two way three.
Yeah, definitely trying. I wasjust at seven. The day will

(56:25):
be we take a little I thinkit's like a two or three little minute
break. It's the ads or whatevercome on, so we'll be one and
that in a few minutes with one. I'm trying to actually about here so
I can join in those conversations theU. But yeah, you're I'm really
excited to uh uh to have ourspirits get to know you guys and the

(56:52):
and the way you treat things.I know it'll be a really neat time.
We actually keep um records, youknow, of of of many of
our sessions, and there's certain facetsthat we've learned that are very consistent.

(57:12):
I guess spirit constantly reinforces to us. Like one of the things we found
out is let's say you have anew addition to your family, a grandchild
or whatever. That oftentimes, whetherit be the parent or the grandparents passed,
they'll hold that child before it comesto the air, they've actually held

(57:36):
it and connected with that spirit.And oftentimes we get with a table will
do like a walking motion. It'sreally very touching and slow locking motion and
stuff. Wow. Another thing I'vefound is when someone passes, you may

(57:57):
you know, you may have afamily relative that you've had grievances with,
maybe you'll haven't spoken in several years. That person passes and they're on the
other side. They sort of seethe whole story now, so they want
to sort of re establish that familybond. But oftentimes it's the person here

(58:21):
has not been able to drop whateverthat resistance is. And so sometimes it's
the person's ready and we're able torepair damage. And sometimes that's got a
table for another time. Yeah.Yeah, But they constantly reinforce us with

(58:44):
the facets of eternal life and theeternal nature or families, and they really
get the idea of what really mattersin life and what doesn't. And I'm
just more and more. I justrealized that we're all probably about eighty five

(59:05):
of what we spend most of ourtime with. It's just badge. That's
really mad. Yeah, we saidthe quality is squeezed in a very small
thing. Yeah, well it's funny. Lyle. At one of our Realm
shoots for season one, um Lyleactually speaking of family members that have passed.

(59:30):
Um. We actually got an eVP of his aunt saying something to
him. Did she sound like youknew your aunt? Or voice? Okay,
that's real there. What was crazywas what was that thing that was
called I can never forget what thehell it's called. No, give me,

(59:52):
I'll look at you. Keep thatlook up box the fans my box.
Oh yeah, that's what I used. I love it. You know,
we used that in our It wasour season ending episode for season one
on Para Flix. What was wehad? It's a two part of Boats
Part one and we were from thethird floor and it was one of those

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things where, you know, wehad a couple of responses come from the
Fastma box and then all of asudden it came through and it says and
the FAsMA box showed the name Terryon it, and next thing you know,
it goes hay Lyle and I wasBut the thing was, I didn't

(01:00:34):
catch the hay leal until I wasdoing the editing on the right. So
it was something we didn't hear itdidn't come through the FAsMA box. The
FAsMA box caught the name, butit didn't come from the box because every
time one of our names was said, we mentioned it, Like Brandon's name
was said a few times, andevery time we heard a name, we'd
always call it. It was soclear that the way we would have never

(01:00:58):
heard it. And yeah, youget straight line e vps with the Phasmad
box that are not the box hasn'tgenerated yet, right, And that's the
only time we've ever used one onour on our investigations for our shoots.
But the responses that was coming throughthat dag On Fastbad Box that night was

(01:01:19):
like it was crazy. I mean, TNA was having a hard time on
that third floor, getting very weak, and I can't remember the exact words,
but it was like it asked thequestion, is she faint? And
then we heard that and we said, is she faint? We look so
you faint? She said, well, I'm not doing to it, and

(01:01:39):
then all of a sudden it camethrough and said or she will fall down
yea. And I mean the responsesand I'm like, you always wondered these
things are can you believe in whatthey're saying? But it was so spot
on, Yeah to what was goingon? Can I ask you a question?
And this we sort of stumbled onthis by accident. A couple of

(01:02:00):
years ago. A friend of minehas this place called the Haunting Trails and
get his birth The home was thereduring the battle and he's got about eight
acres and evidently there's a lot ofsoldiers still on the field and that stuff.
And evidently it had been a whilesince I've been able the spirits,

(01:02:22):
who are always very receptive there.So I mentioned her. I said,
do you mind if I go downand say hi to your spirits? Now?
I'm going down. So I godown to the basement this house and
I'm talking to him and I didn'trealize it was Christmas Eve eve, okay,
And all of a sudden they weretalking Christmas, We've sent you a

(01:02:45):
king. All men unite, andI'm like, you're talking about the Lloyd
Jesus Christ of course, And itwas all this talk about the holidays and
Christmas, and I'm like, soyou celebrate this period? You know?
It's like, yeah, what doyou think dumb? You know, It's
like and I'm really, we musthave got the word Christmas. You six

(01:03:07):
or seven times just blew me away. So last year with COVID didn't happen.
So I went back this year ChristmasEve Eve again, same spot,
and I didn't get Christmas, butI did get Galilee. I asked where
the Savior was born? They saidBethlehem. Wow. Probably seven or eight

(01:03:30):
times I had choir's break in singinghim I'm gonna, I'm actually an applausis
now of editing it to put allthem clips together to form one single thing.
But it was again very Christmas orientedseasonal. And my question is not

(01:03:52):
again not to be sacrilegious. Idon't think we as a community do much
paranormal investigation around Easter or Christmas becauseof the religious implication, but not you
know, not meaning to be sacrilegious. But I was really shocked when I've
done that what I got right?And if you heard anybody else doing anything

(01:04:18):
in and around that period where theymay have picked up something, just say,
yes, nobody's really doing it.Yeah, I mean we did.
We did our Ghosts of Christmas Pastevent December fourth at the Dunlore End in
Mineral, Virginia, and I wantto say it was probably one of the

(01:04:40):
active nights there. Yeah, thepeople there, and we had a small
crowd that night. We made itkind of smaller because we just wanted to
enjoy it and have fun and letthe people enjoy it. And I'm telling
you, everybody in there was gettingthe craziest stuff. We had some guys
that was these two guys were loadedwith equipment and they just were having a

(01:05:02):
blast. And so it was veryactive. Um you know, but we
kept doing the theme of you know, ghosts of Christmas Pass you know,
and stuff like that. Throw Christmasin there, and I don't know did
that kick it in? I haveno idea, but I mean it was
like and then we've been at doneLaura a few times and but around the

(01:05:23):
holiday time it's very active. Itis, it is. I mean,
she says that's her one of herum most active times is around Christmas,
and you wonder, yeah, yeah, but you but you bring up a
great thing there, you know,because now I'm curious about next year about
trying to do something closer to Christmas, an investigation maybe with my realm team,

(01:05:45):
just to see something, you know, maybe not really an event,
but more of the realm team goinginto a location and doing something like that.
If you ever do that, Iwould love it, if you know,
just to get back to me andlet me know what what you picked
up, because I think it's somethingwe just in general don't do right busy

(01:06:06):
everybody's getting mad for the holidays.But I think also nobody wants it to
be falsely perceived what we're doing,you know, and you kind of wonder.
It's one of those times of theyear where it's very active, you
know, because of happiness and sadness. It is, you know, be

(01:06:26):
either way for people. It is. It's one of the saddest times of
the year besides her up all thatkind of emotional Yeah, so very very
much. Yeah. Wow. Letme see. Is Dave here if I
can, because I'm not sure howhe punches in on the on your break

(01:06:50):
time, Yeah, on the breakhere he's he does all the technical I'm
just the old man. I'm thecrazy old man. Let me see here.
We're trying to contact Dave. Dave, were you in the house,
Dave? We need you. Idon't want that. Maybe gets banners.

(01:07:20):
Do you help? Do you banners? Somebody asked if you had to do
your break I don't know. Ithink you know, what we're going to
forego till he gets back here.He got to break in. It could
be the last. In the lastsixteen minutes. Yeah, something went up
with the plumbing upstairs. I knowthis is this is the first podcast of

(01:07:45):
this fastivity. So maybe the spiritsare not too pleased. Never know.
I remember when we came to Itwasn't this past year, and of course
in the year before, I don'tthink the bash happened. It was the
year before that when we came outwith you guys. We had Fattius Steven

(01:08:06):
yea. That was a great time. Yeah, yeah, we uh yeah,
we we had that particular weekend wehad a very interesting thing. We
had a spirit of a soldier camethrough the cabin on one of the evenings
and he had been wounded and druginto that into the cabin, but he

(01:08:30):
had been taken up to where Lee'sheadquarters were u several blocks going west and
that's where he passed and anyhow supposedlyhe hadn't crossed and he wasn't going to
until he found it was like afamily heirloo who was a belt buckle that
he had been wearing, and evidentlyit was buried up near a tree in

(01:08:57):
that vicinity of Lee's headquarters, andour psychic was there and they went up
with another psychic the next day andactually found this tree. Now, problem
is you can't do on that propertywithout getting invested, and this poor soul
wasn't going on until he could havehis belt buckle. But that's why he

(01:09:23):
was definitely appearing at the location andin that back area where we did the
broadcast. He was roaming in thatlittle back as well. So that was
that was pretty interesting. And ohand the last time we did that was
the summer where all the George Floydremembered they was yeah, and that that

(01:09:50):
particular weekend, they weren't talking history. In other words, we were we
were coming up with the history gettingno response. They were talking about soy.
We got the word George Floyd threeor four times and DPS and they
were talking about social unrest and theywere aware of what was going on,

(01:10:15):
but it was totally different frame.Wow. So I'm really sort of convinced
that spirit is also oftentimes motivated bythe environment we find ourselves in. And
uh, you know, like Isaid, I don't know. I guess

(01:10:38):
I couldn't swear on a stack ofBibles. But there's stuff that just seems
to be constant. Yeah, ohyeah, I think especially up in your
area, no doubt. Yeah.We we had about two weeks ago,
we had a visitor. A guywas staying with us for the week.
He's a dog food salesman and hewas just staying the house. Wasn't connected

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with the paranormal, and we weredoing a table tipping that evening and a
spirit that did not identify itself comesthrough and tells us we have a hidden
room in the house. It's wallpaper, it has a working light, but
the staircase that went up there issort of sealed off. We don't really

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know the whole extent of this room, but you can stand up in it
and to get to it now youhave to move this partition and get a
little ladder and you can climb upin there. So while we're doing the
session, spirit tells us that itemsare hidden up there underneath the foreboard.

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So it tells us that there's someitems that could be worn, and then
it tells us that there's a religiousitem, and then it tells us it's
a book. And then I hearvery loudly it survival so when the session
ends, Steve and our guests,the salesman, they go to that area

(01:12:08):
and the salesman actually climbs up inthere and he's checking boards on the floor
and find some loose ones. Sothe first one he finds some infant shoes,
like a two and three month oldbaby, little white shoes, and
they're in a cigar box hidden underthe board. Then later we find another

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cigar box with black and white photosfrom the forties of the town in and
around, and finally he moves anotherboard and sure enough under that there's a
Bible and it's a Martin Luther Bible, and it's in German. And actually
you can't need the day of eighteenI believe it's eighteen fifty eight and a

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name, and we had it translatedbecause like the Old Testament, in this
Bible doesn't have Lavinicus and Exodus Genesis. It's got Moses one Moses too.
Oh wow, And we have thatBible. So when you come, we'll
show you the Bible. This guywas like totally not connected with the patent

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walker climbs up there and he's findingthis stuff underneath these boards. Well now
he's so he's like Oh my god. So he's actually coming down and wants
to do a table tip be sessionwith his wife. Wow. Oh wow.
So we put the shoes back wherewe found him, because we know

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about shoes being hidden in homes andthe implication. But we do have the
Bible out and we haven't had anythinguntoward happened. But I still the spirits
still won't tell us though, whyit wanted us to find that Bible.
Yeah, so how do you makethis stuff up? You know, it's

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it. Go up there and pullup some boards and you're gonna find this
underneath. Wow, that's wow.You know, it'd be cool. I
know, Well we come in,we're gonna be I know, because our
guests are actually coming in Thursday evening, so we're gonna come up here and
slide in on Thursday evening too,before the rest of the crew comes.

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That'd be cool to do that.Sure, well, just you know what
you were able to come over thatnightmare mind, Pam. And then we
we have we have tons of tables, very active, but we we there's
a divine pecking order and the powerhas to do with like knowledge and spirit
based. So our top table isnot at the Hoover House. My sister

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has it with her in Shepherdstown closeby, so you know, we know
in advance we'll bring him in.But then we've also like our second,
third, and fourth tables are allvery strong and they all have an internal
spirit with them and they identified thewhole family history and all that, and

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they can all bring through family members. Wow. We have some tables that
are not as defined and where theycan connect with spirit and they can give
the answers and different things. Wefound that the ones which have a defined
spirit with them are the ones thatpossess the ability to bring through family members

(01:15:38):
and also to help cross people.So we actually this year probably our most
intense crossing A gentleman. Have youever met Brian Bowden. He's from New
York. He's pretty well known.He does a lot of stuff in the
spirit field, but also ut bowHe's had a number of TV shows and

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all that really interested. He camedown with his family and we had earlier
connected with his wife's mother, whichis he was hoping that would happen.
Then she had an uncle come throughand this uncle had been a one year
old child in Hungary during World Wartwo and had been killed by the Germans

(01:16:27):
as a one year old child.The family had always felt that the child
had been starved to death, butin reality, it had been shot and
killed. We connected with this spiritand it literally started with the base of
nothing. I mean, you canimagine the darkness. And we brought in

(01:16:47):
angels like it was like some angelicassistance. It was like five of them,
and it was a two hour session. We're running em bumps, and
we were able to pass that childover and we're able to browt it or
to realize it and then finally topass over. And at the end,

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I mean, oh my gosh,you could see you could ask everybody at
the table, we're seeing visions andyou could see the excitement of the child
as it realized the warmth and thelove and the light, and it's going
like it's you know, and literallylike leaping into the light as it crosses
and it's over. I mean itwas. We were trashed for three days.

(01:17:35):
That just sucks the life at Yeah, we had a we had a
This is personal to me, butjust because you shared that. Um My
dad passed um summer years ago andI still have an extremely tight bond with

(01:17:56):
him. Um and we just wewere at the beach and we decided one
night, Okay, this is thenight I need to try to let him
go because I've been holding onto him. Long story short, Um, I
could see, I could literally see. I could see it so well that
I could see what he was wearing. And the cloud it had been kind

(01:18:19):
of cloudy, and when we didthis, the clouds parted and it was
just as clear. I could seehim go and wave to me, and
the clouds came back together. Butwhen they did, he'll tell you it
shaped the heart from the heart.It's still to this day. Yeah,

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No, I mean that that's that'sthe beauty, that's the power that see.
That's exactly what our question is about. When you come, I'll show
you before when we had friends linedup to help us move into the Hoover
House, what we mean the pieceof furniture in I have written a dedicatory
prayer or the house that you alwayswould be a place where spirit could educate

(01:19:10):
us and we could all intertwine andlearn a lot of truthfulness. And that's
sort of what's being fulfilled. I'llshow that to you, and it's that's
that's what we sort of quest afterand it's just, oh my god,
it really makes life so beautiful andhow blessed are we that we know those

(01:19:34):
truths? Yeah, you know,and you have no doubt of your father
Andy, Well, he's in hiscurrent existence. You have no doubts about
any of that now. And foryour own personal self, um, a
lot of doubts or concerns you hadabout when your turn across the fear has

(01:19:59):
been removed. It's like, right, it's an experience we're all going to
have. Yeah, right, yeah, and yeah, that's that's the beauty
of it. And to me,that's what really makes this field so so
so genuine and really what the questafter? Yeah oh yeah, yeah,
you can't beat and we when Itell you that we have those kind of

(01:20:21):
experiences like two, three, fourtimes a month, seriously, I mean,
I just I'm humbled by it.I truly am. It's like,
wow, we we just we,like I said, we have people,
they'll show up, they'll book aroand it goes, I don't know why

(01:20:42):
I am here, And I said, well, you'll find out. And
then and then we're there, andwe had a guy who's a truck driver,
a burly guy. You got tattoosyou know, and we're at the
table and here um his his daughtercame through. And this was a child
who had had a stroke in thewound, and so it was born with

(01:21:06):
this myriad of problem, severe cerebralpalsy and everything. And this guy had
learned how to do all this advancednursing techniques, two feedings, all out
with the child, and then shehad seen it lived to the point of
six years of age when she neededa new procedure, and in that procedure

(01:21:30):
it went amiss, and he hadbasically signed the papers to take her off
of life support. And we thiswas years ago, but it had devastated
and not going to go into allthe personal things, but it was quite
quite problematic. And evidently they neverknew, never done any event, paranorm

(01:21:56):
or anything. And here this littlegirl came through and what didn't leave her
dad's side. The table was literallylike climbing up and in the sky's lap.
And we got it. We coachedit over to the mother a couple
of times. But the father wasthat the nurturer and and the and the
giver, and he was it justhe was like, oh, my God,

(01:22:19):
like freedom from this burden that hecarried years and then I was just
after that I noticed he had abig tattoo of his daughter. Um and
uh, they're they're coming back.I think in April are met me.
What's good? You know. That'sone of the things that we um.

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You know, we used to doa talk years ago and we're kicking it
back up again this year and actuallywe may do it before the bash,
but the bash right now was ourfirst five UM it's called the thing.
It's it's a talk called Let's TalkParanormal And basically what you're talking about is
what it's all about. It's aboutas you know, kind of what we

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talk a little bit about it andthen we kind of opened the floor for
people to share experiences because they've neverhad that chance before. Maybe they've never
they've been afraid to talk about thesethings like what you're talking about and be
able to share it amongst people,and people can be there to love on

(01:23:27):
you and share things along with whatyou're doing. We did it before,
and I'm telling you it's it's oneof the most rewarding experiences that I've I've
had doing these talks, is listeningto people share. Yeah, it's kind
of like you know, you cango to these things and have people talk
at you all day long. Iwant to hear what you have to say.

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Right, we know what we dealwith, we know what we've been
through, what have you got?What is it that you want to tell
us? And and it's what wayto bring it back? Because it's gonna
be a whole new way of doingit, and um, it just given
people that chance to share. Youknow. One of the highlights of doing

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that particular talk is we did aTalking Dead conference thing one time when we
set up as the only little paranormalteam. They're representing Twisted Paranormal in the
Twisted Realm, and um, youknow, but they wanted us to talk,
and of course less talk paranormal wasour thing. And so basically what
we did was what was bad waswe were going on at the same time

(01:24:41):
some of the season one Walking Deadpeople were going on. So it was
like, oh boy, this isgonna be really good. Well, come
to find out there were more peopleinterested in talking paranormal than talking Walking Dead,
encouraging history people that they brought ina lot of the people were over
in our room or want anybody overthere. But you know what they had

(01:25:04):
to finally come in in an hourand a half and say, hey,
guys, we gotta break this.We got we gotta have more, have
more stuff going on in this room. It's because when you open it,
they just keep coming. They wantto share, they want to talk about
what they've experienced them And I don'twant to give my talk away or our
talk away, but I can't waitto get back to it because it's it

(01:25:28):
gives people a platform, a chanceto talk well. And I thank you
for your story because that's like Isaid that, that just brings a lot
of joy to mine, to myheart, because that's that is that is
exactly what it's all about. Yeah, definitely, And we're excited to do
that. I mean, yeah,we're excited to come to the Hoover House.
Yes, we're excited to bring ourI know the spirits are gonna love

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you. Yeah, I know thatthey're gonna they'll they'll be out in hearts
right if anybody out there that islistening is interested. I mean, we've
got two great guests. We've gota great host team right here, yeah,
with Jim and Dave. And youknow when we bring usually do our

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events with the guys and I'm whenI talk guys, I'm talking about Mike
and Christian and the rate Chasers.Those are two guys that are have such
a following because they're so personal withtheir their their people. They enjoy their
following, they enjoy talking with people. It's not like they're going to stand
off on the side and watch.They are in the middle of you and

(01:26:39):
they want to work with you.And that's one of the pleasures of working
with these two guys. And itwas an honor for them to ask us
to jump on board with them intwenty twenty two and represent them at what
is it close to ten events?Yeah, this year, and you know
in the Hooper House is one ofthem. I mean our very first one,

(01:27:00):
which is in two weeks UM atSaint Alvin Sanatorium and Ratford is sold
out. UM. So we wantto bring that same enthusiasm to all these
locations that we have Mike and Chriswith and um and then even you know
Haunted Nights. We don't do badourselves with our with our own crew and
the events that we do. UM. We we do sell out events and

(01:27:26):
UM. You know a lot oftimes we don't have guests, we do
have host teams come in and uhbut uh, you know, and we
found that like the Octagon Mansion andwith Bill, Virginia is a very popular
spot. Um uh, it's becomingpopular. Commercial bank here, Okay,

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whatever, then we're going to gowithout a commercial break, commercial break day.
We don't have something to finished.No commercial break today, no commercial
not verymmercial one. No. No, I was trying to I knew is

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one of these buttons to get over. But I but, I mean,
we've got a number of events that, like the locations haven't worked really well
with cour Saint Albans, the OctogonMansion. M A new location for US
is Tucaho Plantation at right outside ofRichmond, Virginia. Um, let's see

(01:28:32):
where else? Help me help mehere? Well, I know, but
I don't know if I can talkabout it. Are you sure? Okay?
One real big one which requires fartraveling one that I'm besides the Whover
House. This is the other onethat I'm super excited about is Missouri State
penn. Oh yeah, he shouldn'tbe man, that was gonna be.

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My next question was, are youguys branching out of the Virginia area.
We're stepping out of our our area, our comfort zone. Well, actually
stepping out of Virginia, coming tothe Hoover House is our first chance to
step out of state. And um, you know we did have our event
at her Ridge Book last August.Um. But but you know, coming

(01:29:18):
to Hoover and of course doing thattwice this year, Hoover House, which
is good. M We've got ofcourse you had Missouri state penn. Um.
Help me here, Brandon, helpme. I can't think you got
the list, brother, I dothe list. We do so much crap,
I have to write stuff down.Oh, the USS Wisconsin, Um

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is our April events. And whereis that located? Norfolk, Virginia.
Yeah, that's one of the newestbattleships added to the Haunted fleet, if
you ask me, I mean,now, was that point of the World
War two group of battleship Actually itwas a part of it was built back
then Desert Storm, big part ofDesert Storm, And of course it's been

(01:30:08):
decommissioned. That sits down in thecity of Norfolk, right down at the
waterfront there. And we were thefirst team to actually go into the Wisconsin
and we filmed a realm episode thereand yet to come but but then we
decided we wanted to do an eventthere that same year we did it was

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very successful. So now we're bringingthe guys there in April. That's really
all the events that we've got announcedso far. That's all. Well,
there's more behind it. There's anumber of events happening at Saint Albans Uh,
there's a number of events happening atthe Octagon Mansion. Um there are

(01:30:53):
help me out kind of why Idrawing such a blank here. There are
a few dates that we have opened. We are in talks with places at
right now. So but I know, just for what we've announced right now,
as far as what's publicly known,these locations are incredible and each one
has an amazing backstory. You lookat Saint Alban's with all it's been,

(01:31:15):
all the platforms that's been on andone sleeper one you know, with the
exception like Hoover House is a greatstory, has an amazing story. You
know. Thomas Jefferson, I livedthere as a kid, you know,
and wow, he's it's and youkind of wonder, with the times that
he had lived there, did hedevelop the knowledge and skills to push him

(01:31:41):
into politics, to become a futurepresident. So you know, and that's
one of the best things about thisplace and where all places actually in general,
with the Wisconsin with Hoover House,with Saint Albans, and you don't
always just have you know, thelady that unfortunately committed suicide. You don't
have those kind of stories, butyou also have the history. Yeah.
Have you know you're walking in thesame Let's take paranormal completely out. Let's

(01:32:05):
take that out of the equation.To walk the same place like on a
battleship for these men fought in picktedour country to walk the same pathway that
a young Thomass Jefferson walked to walk. You know, you know all this
stuff. I mean, it's you'rewalking through time. And you tell me
that's not time travel. I mean, that's as close as we can get

(01:32:26):
physically the time travel. Close youreyes, you're there. Yeah, the
little one room schoolhouse. Yeah yeah, Westward he learned a lot of his
uh schooling was in that one littleschoolhouse right next to the house. And
it's funny, you guys got thatbattleship when I was a kid, Mike.
While she still owns it, myaunt owns vacational properties down in a

(01:32:46):
place called Kerry Beach, North Carolina, and it's about ten minutes south of
Wilmington. Yeah, and we woulddo her every year for a week for
vacation, and coming over this bridgeinto Wilmington there was the USS I believe
us Carolina just right there and weum went when that so many times and

(01:33:11):
not even knowing anything about the colnormalas a kid, I just remember thinking
exactly what Brandon just said. Youknow, I'm standing where somebody was standing
during a war, you know,and it's something like that that really featus
your interest. And then you throwinto the that that guy's still there in
spirit, that just kicks up anothernotch. Yeah, we had some of
our some of our crew, theRealm Crew and Haunted Knights crew were actually

(01:33:35):
on the North Carolina last night investigating. So yeah, so that's a very
hot spot. UM. We're hopingwe're we're actually in talks with them for
a Haunted Night Slash then with aghost EVENTUM, so hopefully we'll be able
to lock that down here in thefuture UM as well. But if anybody

(01:33:57):
has any places that they would liketo see us come UM for an event,
just message me, um, andI'll reach out to the location.
Um, yep, um, tryingto do all the you know, it
would be great though. There's Idon't know if you guys have ever been.

(01:34:17):
There's a place that a friend ofours, Mike Simpson, has been
several times, and that we weresupposed we were really trying to book for
this year, that we really wantto get to Old South Pittsburgh Hospital.
Oh yeah, uh, that's gotsome history with us, Yeah, real
history with us, that's for sure. I mean that was remember when I

(01:34:39):
talked back our very first episode DVDepisode like twenty thirteen. Well where was
it? It was Old Sath PittsburghHospital. It doesn't sit well with me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Mike. Mike said there was an area
in there that he wasn't quite surewhat it was, but very good.

(01:35:00):
Oh yeah. All I can sayis if you is it on YouTube?
Yes? It actually it is onYouTube if you if you watch the segment
where I got attacked. Um.We've had several of our friends, paranormal
friends that have tried to watch itand they end up cutting it off because

(01:35:23):
they said, I knew you wellenough, and that is not you sitting
there. It's not my face,it's not. I mean that that almost
began. That that happened right whenaround the time we were first starting this.
Um. But I look back nowand I'm glad that I stuck it
out because it made me stronger.Yeah. Paraflicks. UM, there's a

(01:35:45):
new series coming out on Paraflis calledMy Paranormal Experience that captures four of our
personal experiences. And and it's doneby Nathan Withers, who's with HIT of
course he's from My Paranormal Experience Guyhimself or fifteen, And so that particular

(01:36:12):
capture is on that particular is onthat show. You can see you can
actually watch the full thing on theTwist Realm YouTube page. Um. You
can watch from start to finish whathappens to her. Wow, from the
time she's getting worked up to thetime she's attacked to the time she's on
the ground to the time she's sittingin a break room doesn't even look like

(01:36:32):
her. Um. You know it'sabout it's about a twenty minute probably process
of watching a full experience of somebodybeing attacked physically. Was it? Was
it your group? I remember seeingsome from South Pittsburgh with a also had
it was a door, and theyfilmed it from both the UM hallway an

(01:36:57):
inside the room with the door whereyou could see the door open and you
could see it. Wasn't that anothergroup? Yeah? Probably somebody else.
Yeah, there was a It's kindof weird. There was a great um
the experience that we went through.There was a series that came out on
tv UM that kind of mirrored exactlywhat happened to her on a production.

(01:37:21):
Yeah, and it was because Iwas so furious when I saw that,
to the point I was like,are you serious. It's almost like copied
from that, particularly from start tofinish. I was like, Wow,
I wonder where they got that informationfrom, how they got that, But
you know, it happens. That'sjust the way that goes. You put

(01:37:43):
your stuff out there, It's it'sgoing to be that way now. Whether
it was or whether it was thatsomebody experienced the exact same thing that she
did, maybe it was did youhave any residual after that? Or or
um for a while. UM evennow I still get I do, I

(01:38:05):
do UM even when I talk aboutit, because it was it was just
that. Yeah, you know,I didn't know back then, I didn't
know how to protect myself. Ididn't know how to close when I needed
to. I didn't know any ofthose things. And I can actually say
now learning from that has actually beena good thing. But at the time

(01:38:31):
I could not talk. I couldHow many blankets did y'all have around me?
She was wrapped up like you.You only could see her head,
Yeah, I mean even stuff aroundher head. She was was so tight.
If she was so cold, Imean, yeah, she just didn't
she wasn't responding. She just itwas weird. And finally she started snapping
out of it. It's just oneof those experiences that, yeah, I

(01:38:57):
was disable last year. Last year, Yeah, we went up to Hinsdale
and we had a couple. Itwas gonna be a couple of us,
but they couldn't make it. Sowound up being Gabe and I I love
you, Hindale or not Brandon,Yeah, and then Grandon knows that place.

(01:39:19):
Let's just say, at least inmy opinion, isn't entirely too powerful
for just people. And that wasjust who are the big baggure crazy?
And our psychic medium who was onthe line with this, she told us
in event, she said, don'tgo into basement which we didn't um,
and we were doing our show fromthere. And while we're doing our show,

(01:39:43):
the rampod and stuff we had inthe kitchen, that's all going off
now, and we're watching the shadowMan walk back and forth between the thist
one goes off when we watched walkingad and this one goes off on the
show. We took the laptop andturn it around and people on the show
we're seeing it wo and uh soanyhow, um, people were seeing something

(01:40:05):
walking around us while we're doing theshow. Yeah, and uh anyhow,
we ended the show and we weregoing to start a life a live session,
and all of a sudden, Imean it'd have been five minutes.
Something literally sucked everything out of me. And here was the house, no

(01:40:28):
air conditioning, not even a fan. Was ninety five inside the house,
hot, sweating, hot, freezingto death. I mean, I'm like
uncontrollable vigors and just and luckily therewas a blanket there on the sofa,
so I dove under it. Allthe body heat was out of me and
I couldn't control myself, and hehad to run into town to get something,

(01:40:53):
and he didn't want to leave meby myself, but I told him,
you're in the middle of nowhere.Yeah, I said, I'll freeze
the death. Going out to thetruck, I wasn't coming out from under
the blanket. So we got thereand back I was okay, was I'm
praying. And I was under thatblanket for a good two two and a

(01:41:14):
half hours so I could stabilize mytemperature, and that I was pretty much
done. All my energy was gone. We weaving through the night. I
did go up to the tree inthe back to make a sacrifice of some
beef jerky, you know, tothe native spirits. I guess because of

(01:41:36):
my Christian backing, I don't pickup on native spirits real well, sort
of blindsided by him. And Iwas told that the Indian chief who nailed
me was trying to be my friend. He wasn't trying to harm me.
He was really didn't know his ownpower right right, And it took me.

(01:41:59):
It took me ten days. AndI mean, I yeah that that.
So I don't know that I'll evergo back. Dave wants to get
back up there with you know,some other people right right. I don't
know. I don't know that itwould be small of me to go back
there. Because they funny story realfast with Hinsdale. It was I saw

(01:42:24):
Hoover on here, so Hoover findthis funny. Hoover was a friend of
mine. We used to be onthe same team together back in the day,
the toxic one that we all kindof split and did our own thing.
Um, we were up in thewoods kind of. I don't remember
if Hoover, if you were withus or not. We're up in the
woods. We're doing any of theape session and um, it was no

(01:42:46):
flashlights, none of us brought one, and we're running the recorder. All
of a sudden we hear what soundslike coyotes and there coyotes or wolves or
something is killing something. It waslike the screaming sound and like a bunch
of roaring, and all of asudden it just stopped, like stopped,

(01:43:09):
complete silence. Here's three you know, people just chilling in the woods.
Don't know really where that sounds comingfrom. The quarter running and like literally
the next words are, well,shit, what do we do now?
Let's just stand here and just seewhat happens. So we're all standing there
just just envisioning. At any moment, this pack of werewolves is gonna take

(01:43:31):
us over. We're gonna had threenew spirits to the Hinsdale house. And
we make our way back down andI'm thinking, okay, fine, that's
done. We're good. So wego over by the pond and we did
something down there and nothing really andthen it was like a bull frog the

(01:43:54):
size of Texas just made that sound. I don't know if anybody was filming.
I really hope somebody did. Youcan see my frame stature just jump.
At least I had a religious experiencebecause I ascended at least thirty feet
in the air. So whether that'sthe house, you know, playing with

(01:44:17):
you, you know, making thatmaybe those sounds never occurred because I never
I mean, I saw the bullfrog, so that's one thing, But you
know, the wolves. We don'tknow where that sound came from. We
don't know. We never found anythingthe next day. We didn't find anything
that night. So was that somethingin the woods making that sound for us

(01:44:38):
to leave or was it legit somethingthat actually happened. So it kind of
makes you wonder, is the houseplaying tricks on you or did it really
happen. Yeah, well, thething about the house playing tricks, we
booked that place twice. Yeah,and each time something happened from going there
now and the very first time beforewe had booked it, before we even

(01:45:01):
got there, is before we evenwent to the Bash that year, and
we were supposed to go, Ithink in October. Of course Bash is
always August. It was right beforethat. But it's a weird experience.
And it's just like I'm in theshower and I'm it's almost like a black
out. It's weird. It's almostlike a blackout in the shower, and

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I'm at the Hensdale House looking outthe back door and I'm looking up towards
that hill that goes up the backand there's this creature that comes across.
It's almost like I'm looking through aDVR system watching this creature come across the
screen and his eyes are looking rightinto my eyes, and we're looking at

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each other, and it's a tall, lanky figure, um distorted figure.
And it was the weirdest thing.And you know, Daniel, when we
were at a think it was theBash. It might have been right after
that at the Bash that he broughta picture that somebody had captured of something

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that was peeking around a tree,and he said does this resemble what you
were talking about? And I saidwhen I when I saw the picture,
I was like, holy shit,that's exactly unless you certain Holy crap,
that's exactly what I saw looking atme. Oh my gosh. It was
like and it was almost what didthey call it was some kind of elemental

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or something, but it was thelankiest looking, grayish figure that I've ever
seen, the barest contorted head thing, eyes just as black as could be,
looking at me, straight into myeyes, and I'm like, what
in the world. So and thenafter that, some people that have abilities

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were like, it was trying totell you. That was your your thing,
telling you not to go there.It's telling you not to come that.
It was warning you. And Inormally and I'm not in tune right,
but I feel like after ten toeleven years of doing this that you
get more in tune to what's happening. And I feel like that was probably

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that was one thing that I wasnot expecting. Yeah. Um, and
then after that I started happy.Things started happening where I could see more,
and I'm like, it just scaresthe crap out of me. I
don't open my door. I don'twant to see that right pre for that,
you know, she can do that. There's other people that can do
it. Brandon and I usually likeyou feel that. I think you feel

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that. Get the as far asit goes, Hey, do you feel
that? Yeah? Well that wasthe only thing that happened. I had
the dream. She had a dream, had a dream that warned me.
Yeah, And I talked to Danielabout that, And the one thing that
was in my dream was a box, some kind of little box, and

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he said that they had just foundthat particular box. So it's like he
and I both had things that justfor right now, ye feel that it's
we're supposed to go? Yeah,Yeah, I appreciate the location. Yeah,
Daniel is a great person, that'strue, But you've got it's got

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to be. I don't want togo there just for the hell of it,
you know, because I feel likesomething's keeping me or her. Believe
me, I'm not scared of me. I want to go there. I
want to go. If she doesn'tgo, eventually, maybe Brandon and I
or or whoever will go to doit. Because sometimes when that stuff happens,

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it's like you gotta go face it. But right now, certain things
we're like, okay, let's letit calm down a little bit. Well
we we I of person we justmet here recently with his group. Um,
we had a pretty like two weeksago, we had a pretty amazing

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session where um, uh this thisperson, I don't want to mention a
look, it's very it's famous inmovies and jump like that, and uh
it's um. He tas to workfor another event company, but and he
was to events there all the time, and anyhow, it was it was

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very deceiving. He said. Itwas actually quite well welcoming initially and it
made you feel but it was takingyou over like it was. And he
was there for an extended period oftime, several weeks, and anyhow it
turned very He showed me a pictureof himself someone had taken. It was

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all distorted and just very bizarre.It wasn't him. Well, anyhow,
he was coming with another group downto the Hoover House and he called Steve
in advance and told him he'd beenbattling a potential attachment from this and should
he come down to the Hooper House. And Steve felt impressed that he should.

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There was a reason he came downand we were at the table,
and this entity evidently tried to emerge. Wow, And I did not pick
up on it at all, butI could see Steve knew, and I
could see Rob. I could seethe guy, and they could see his

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face. They knew. So webroke from the table immediately, he said
break. We broke, so itwas not able to come through, and
we didn't give it name or anything. The amazing thing is like, within
literally a minute or two of thatexperience, suddenly I perceived this enormous,
powerful, white, pure a finelight, and I said, go back

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on the table, and we did, and it was an It was some
kind of guardian angel order this individualand himself, and he named himself.
His name was Invictus felt it out, which stands undefeated in Latin, you

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know. And he basically identified himselfas his guardian, and he wanted him
to know that he was gone,that he literally done taking care of taking
care before now, and basically butgave him a warning that he should never
go there again. It also gaveboth Steve and I a warning that we

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should never set foot on that propertyalone. And anyhow, so, boy,
it was so powerful. I actuallydocumented this because it was amazing to
see this owl for life and theswarm. What else was really amazing to
see was after Invictus had come throughand against this message for him, you

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could see him go from sitting therelike this to just kind of yeah,
you know, just like you physicallysaw the way come off of him.
Wow, just like you know,I'm me again. You know, he
came back just a couple of daysago, this individual, and Invictus came

(01:52:27):
back through on the table and toldhim believe me when I tell you he's
off of you, and and hespelled his name out again. And basically
the neat thing this guy that wastelling us the first game things that all
turned around very positive in his life, been trying to do with his Yeah,

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they've been banked company and they reallylooked cool. But Victus came back
through just to plant that his mindagain. You're okay, don't worry about
this because it is really late.But it was so neat. Now I

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didn't pick up on that horrible negativityat all. So that's what has chose.
You know. I can be expecsthat, but I could feel I
could feel the bright light right away. I think one thing that's one of
the things like, no matter whereyou go, if it's somewhere you've been

(01:53:30):
to a million times and you feelat home, you feel comfortable, this
is a place I've been to,and you kind of let your guard down
a little bit. You know,things can occur and happen, and it's
there's nothing like Tana's story. Umthat's to do this day. Actually,
ironically enough, I've never watched thatepisode. Just because of that, I'd

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never have watched it. I've seenclips of it because we filmed that that
series for my Paranormal Experience. I'veseen those clips, but I've never watched
the full episode just because of that. We were at Saint Albans for Paranormal
Dares did an event there and we'regood friends with them. They hit us
up saying, hey, would youmind giving us a hand because Keith that

(01:54:14):
ran it had some medical issues,and like, hey, you mind helping
us out. We're kind of regularsthere. It's right in our own backyard,
so sure. And uh, wewere all spread out, stationed out
throughout the location and I was downin an alcoholic recovery, which, as
weird as it sounds, that's thatwhole place feels like home. But the

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paint chipping off the walls, andyou know, the rundown, the abandoned
look. It just feels like home. We're down there and we're kind of
hanging out, and I don't knowwhat had happened. It was in the
middle of the second rotation, sowhen the group's come down, they investigate

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with us, and then you know, they go on to the next one,
and then the new group comes tome, and something had happened in
between that rotation to where my happy, go lucky kind of jolly mood turned
into I want to hit everybody inthis room. I want everybody get the
hell out. I really feel likeI need to get out of this building.

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I need to go way from thesepeople. They can tell you my
whole demeanor changed. I was pissedat them for no reason at all.
I would add at everybody in thatbuilding. It wasn't to the point where
like, hey, I need tokill everybody. I didn't go all Jeffrey
Dahmer. That's always that's always apleasant thing. But it overtook me enough
to the point of everything like ablack veil came over the eyes so where

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I can still see, but somebodyelse was driving the car. Yeah,
and it didn't break until the nextday. We went to eat a cracker
barrel and I still felt like Ireally resent everybody. I don't want to
do this anymore, and on theway home fine, yeah, and it's
never happened ever since. So Idon't know what the hell happened that night,

(01:56:05):
why it chose me who it was. It shows me, but show
you can go to the same place, but always still have your guard up
because you never know what could comethrough that too. Sure, we've got
like five minutes left in the show. So one last question I want to
ask you guys, was as thisis a new place for you, the

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Hoover House, Obviously, the mainthing is for everybody that's going to come
in and experience this with you guys, to enjoy it, take their own
experience away from it, like tomake their own decisions and make their own
judgments from what they experienced. Butjust for you guys, yourselves, what
would you like to get out ofit? Like? Is that? I

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mean? Because some people that lovethat great EVP, some people love that
great photograph, some people just wantthat personal experience. You guys, think
you would like to get out ofwhen it comes to the events and stuff
like that. I I like towatch the people. I like to watch
them enjoy themselves and get out ofit what they can get out of it,

(01:57:11):
because most of the time we're therewith them, so when they can
experience, we're experiencing them with them. And that's very that's rewarding, I
mean for me. And now thisis gonna be a first time location for
us because and I don't know,people that are going to probably come to
the event have probably been there beforemaybe, so it's going to be a

(01:57:31):
learning experience for us. But welove going into places the first time because
we love to see what we canbring out. And you know, because
I feel like I've grat a greatteam that knows how to investigate and help
people that have never done it beforedo it. Plus we've got great host

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team which is right there. Yeah, that can help as well. And
then of course two great guests thatare going to be there experience it for
the first time themselves. I'll giveyour heads up. We have a lot
of dolls around the house and someof them are very active. The one

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was giving Steve they fit to Wefigured the table session came out and it
was disclosed that this one we hadbrought her in from a antiques who was
giving a fit to Steve because hewasn't paying enough attention to he wasn't say
he wasn't talking to her. Sohe has when he comes out stairs,
he says hello to this doll andgave a little piece of jewelry. Yea.

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So we've got dolls there that areactive. One of them just told
us a favorite color was orange,so we're giving him a sport. We
also have which have energies about him, and so just be aware. There's
a lot of and the one thingthat we also have there that I really

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think that especially the three you're goingto dig because of the history aspect of
it, is what was the bigtragedy in nineteen twelve but's Titanic exactly.
So when we first got into thisplace, the town wanted to do some
event to I don't want to saycelebrate, but memorialized the tragedy. R

(01:59:25):
so, and because the house wasbuilt ninety twelve, they obviously they came
to us. We have a curiocabinet in one of the rooms and everything
in it. Wow was created innineteen twelve National biscuit company, the Biscuit
Oreo Cookies, Light Sas Light Saversand Morton Salt. But one of the
coolest parts is and this thing isso tiny it doesn't register to most people,

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but if you're in the history,you'll love it so much. And
it has energies you can feel whenyou pick it up. There was a
traveling museum throughout England of relics broughtup from the seafloor where the sinking of
the Titanic occurred. And when thecurator passed away, his wife sold everything
off because it was his passion,not hers. Jim was able to get

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in touch on. We actually havemetal flakes, tarty little metal flakes that
broke off of the railing of seadeck from Titanic. Wow. Wow.
And that's to dive classified. Youknow where they got it and all that,
And I'll tell you when y'all gethere, I'll tell you personal story.
You'll definitely have us locked up butas insane. But we've had a

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tie in and we're sort of interested. We're gonna this April, We're going
to try to create some kind ofpsychic residence and see if we can feed
into that again. Wow, butlike I said, that that whole Curier
case is history, and just beingable to look at some of the pictures

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we've got, I mean their copies, but their old, old copies of
menus from the restaurants on the likewhere the rich people ate and stuff like
that. I mean, it's it'sreally fascinating stuff We actually had. There
was a cafe on the Titanic,right, it was the Tribe Adventure.
In other words, a business ownedit and mend that space, so it

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wasn't owned by the Titanic and therestaurant tour who landed and operated it.
He had sixty seven workers, andanyhow, on the tragedy he passed away
along with sixty five other world onlytwo people from that group got out alive.

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And anyhow, in a session,he came through to us and wanted
his story told. And what hehad told us was the reason that so
many of these people under his carepassed away was that the room members had
locked him and his crew into theirquarters so they couldn't one lifeboats, they

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couldn't charge the lifeboats. All theseso he's sort of locked with the guilt.
Did all these people who he hadcharge and passed away in it all.
And what was round on the floorwas this teddy bear that his son
had given him. It was foundwhen they recovered his body, and they
did it was in his waistcoat,right, And we have an exact replica

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of that teddy bear with an exactreplica of the letter that his son had
written to him about the teddy bear. Wow, but that was the deal.
Was all these people passed. Therewere two ladies who were like cash
shears, and they somehow survived,but all the other people associated with them
went down. So we're going totry to April. We're going to try

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to hook back up with this.Yeah, yeah, you know, we're
we're we're sort of exploring new ventureshere. And yes, you get the
idea that it's not sort of oneof the mill I don't mean to make
things. I mean, I'll tellyou one thing. We're excited to be
bringing haunted knights there. Um maybeand you might want to there's two,

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there's a hundred knights. But thenthere's hard nice paranormal events. Oh just
well we do. Yeah, let'slet's point that out too. You know,
we say haunted nights, we're hauntedknights, paranormal events. There is
a Haunted Nights Events company out thereas well that we found out about after
the fact that we get many responsesto. But just remember it's Haunted Nice
Paranormal Events and you can follow uson Facebook at Haunted Nice Paramal Events,

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you know Facebook. I'm actually postedfor that and your website for well.
I'll make sure that when you guyscoming on Thursday, I'll get in touch
with my sister that will have himat the house. Yeah, that's what
we'll bring in the number one teamor the number one team. A little,

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one little request, you know,when we come to our events,
we bring our own little dogs.Her name is creepy Doll. Yeah,
let them get in my doll,please please, Actually, my doll is
not allowed in the house. Itstays out in the gage. We won't
allow it. So you guys,it's it's been fantastic. I can't thank

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you enough. I've really enjoyed utalking. Again, thank you for all
you do in the field. Umand again, well we'll get the word
out. I mean, if peoplewant a really first class experience, whether
you're a novice or whether you've gotsome experiences, it really does make a
difference who you lining up. Chemistryis everything, definitely, so you can't

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can't do enough of out recommending thisgroup, and I really charged to get
together and see what, yeah,what what our spirits had birthday? Awesome?
Man, it's gonna be an awesomenight, awesome weekend. Actually,
yeah, everybody, thank you somuch. And yeah, before we go,

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Brandon, may I comment and commendyou on your decore. I see
the Three from Hell on one end, at the Doors on the other end,
love it. Yeah, Three fromHell. You got the Doors,
you got the haunted mansion, andthen you got Lizzie Borden Everard somewhere over
there. So thank you guys somuch. Thanks for watching. Check him

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out on Honda Nice Paranormal Events onFacebook, Twister Paranormal Society dot com on
the website. UM, if youlive four or five hours within driving distance
an event that these guys are doing, it's worth it. Take take the
trip, spend the money and gohave yourself a first class event and we
can't wait to have you guys up. Thank you guys, Thank you guys

(02:06:05):
pretty much. Thank you so much, by hill right, and thank everybody
for staying with us. I apologizethat I was not around most of the
show, but I'm having a prettycrappy night. Everybody, stay safe and
we will see you in two weeks. And I thank you for joining Dave

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and Jim on the Doorway to theDead. Catch us next week right here
at eight pm every Thursday, aswe opened the door to paranormal discussion anymore.