Doorway to the Dead Ep#17

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more. Welcome in every one.It is Sunday evening, January twenty third,
six PMS or someone. Actually,I am Dave, This is Jim.
We are one half of Keystone StateParanormal Society and welcome all of you
two Doorway to the Dead. Tonightshow is going to be first for us,

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and it's gonna be uh. Ithink it's gonna be a great show.
We're bringing in a couple of gueststonight that are newly acquainted friends of
ours that we met over at theHoover House UM and they are the co
creators of the Get Haunted network.You can find their network group page on
Facebook. You can look them up. And we're without further delay, we're

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gonna bring in Rob Statowitz. Ihope I didn't butcher his lay's name,
and Bill Bill Bryan, the cocreators of the Get Haunted Network. Let's
bring these guys in. Rob,Hey, you guys, welcome in.
Yes, you're the first person toget my name right ever, I think

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okay, so right, all right, so let me see maybe I'm gonna
exchange the volume down a little bit, see if that's better. Okay,
So, uhay, the guy Rob, we sent you over at our your

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investigations over at the nineteen twelve UverHouse. And Bill I think I met.
Yeah, I think we're in alittle of the week ago you walk
through. That's right, partner alongwith Rob. They there, that's right,
Um, and I think we allat least I didn't get a chance

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to talk to the Bill that offthat much. Yeah, I had some
other things that I was working on, but um, Rob, you and
I hit it off pretty well rightoff the bat. I think you and
Jim did as well. We allsat and talk for quite some time about
your experiences, but we want toknow what's going on with this network,
what's all about? What started it? And it was And also I knew

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y'all hipp cross stub into staging eventsand that too, So by all means
you know, whatever events you hadon tap to feel free to promote it.
That the word out and we'll do. Yeah. I don't know.
Is everybody else getting crazy feedback oris it just me? I think it's

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just it's just echo from the threeof us. So when we're not speaking,
I'll mute doesn't come all right,So, yeah, it is good
to see you guys again. Um. You know, the first time I
met you guys, I was like, all right, finally you know some
people I'm having fun with and werelated pretty well, so it was it

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was a great first night for me. And then yeah, Bill, Bill
came back with with me about aweek or so later. But get Haunted
network. Um I used this termon another cast, sorry, but um,
I kind of like it. Icall it a shape shifting para normal

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playground. And you know the initialinitially, it wasn't supposed to be anything
other than a place to get somecool merch and and things and supplies and
things like that. But you know, um, I did public events for
about five years and I left thecompany I was doing that for, and
I was kind of back at squareone with at least with getting out there

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and doing public events. And youknow, I truly enjoy it. I
love, love love helping people obtainthat, especially their first experience right when
you when their eyes light up andyou hear their you know, harem gasp
because something incredible just happened. Iwanted to keep doing that. So,

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you know, you guys know,and a lot of people know, it's
a challenge if you're especially if you'rejust starting out or if you're a small
team. Um, you know,getting into places, affording to get into
places, making the right connections,even just linking up with another team can
be very very difficult because people are, you know, they're kind of happy

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with what they have and bringing newpeople in can be, you know,
a challenge sometimes. But you know, at least that became the vision for
me and and Bill. We startedtalking. That's a whole that's a whole
other story how we met, butwe started talking about this, and I'm
like, you know what, let'swe need to build a network for for

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a lot of reasons, and firstand foremost, I wanted people to come
together, right to push what wedo in the field forward in a positive
way, right because it can bechallenging sometimes, and to give everybody the
opportunity to do the awesome things thatwe've done. So, you know,

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the get Hound of networks. Itprovides services to people depending on what your
role is. If you're just anenthusiast and you want to go somewhere and
share cool evidence, ask questions,whatever, the network's a great place to
start. If you're a team that'sinterested in doing public events. That's one

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of the things you know, webuilt this thing on was building these taking
in charter teams is what we callthem right now. And those are teams
that we know and kind of trust, and we're getting to know we really
trust them, but we're kind ofgetting to know them. We knew some
of them and the ideas and somuch that look, you know, these
locations it's like a stage, rightAnd people ask me all the time,

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I do you want to share thestage, And I'm like, it's not
my stage, you know, Iwant everybody a chance to get up there.
So you know, if we canbring other teams in, ay,
we can learn from each other,right because everybody has their own styles and
techniques and disciplines that you know,we may not even know exist. And

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getting them a little exposure and whichis turning into a lot of exposure now
and some FaceTime practice and getting theminvolved with people, I think is a
tremendous thing. So you know,in my mind, you know, yes,
we do public events, and wecharge for tickets, but I'd rather
make less money and build the networkand push this thing forward than to keep

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all that money for myself. Sothe events that we're going to put on
are much smaller than ones that peopleare probably used to when with the big
public events. For a lot ofdifferent reasons. One is always hated crowded
events that makes a clean investigation nearlyimpossible. We have a format that's really
different and unique, I think,and we're fun. I mean, at

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the end of the day, ifif we go and nothing happens paranormally,
you gotta have fun, and we'refun people most of the time. And
then another fascinating really quickly to theyou know, to the network is also
you know, location owners spend anawful lot of time, effort, money

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trying to keep these doors open forteams to come in and investigate. And
we're finding different ways and working outdifferent ways that we can actually give back
to them, you know, whetherthat's volunteering to help paint the place or
sweep out, sweep out a room, charity events, whatever we can do
to help, because there are reallythe people that make this all even possible.

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So there's a lot to it.And it started out as something simple,
but you know already I've done logosfor teams, doing shirts for teams,
and I can. I'm like alittle factory downstairs in my baseback and
do shirts, mugs, hats,and I'm able to give that to teams
way cheaper than they can do anywhereelse. So you know, it's nice

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to be able to give back alittle bit. You know, if I'm
down there and making my own shirts, what's another fifteen minutes cranking out ten
more for a team, A plugfor anybody, anybody joining us tonight.
I've met both Rob and Bill andI've done some investigative work with both of
them, and they really do itright. I Mean, like Bob said,

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we defab different styles and whatnot.But there are certain Yeah, they're
the intent behind it, and there'sthere were some calls paths you don't want
to call. And they do itright. And I I tell you Rob,
Rob is an amazing individual with theVPS, very talented as a real

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date days days are ear. Rob'sgot that amazing ear as well. And
yeah, and so in that,Um, it really does pay who you
go with. Uh, there's alot to be said for someone with the
experience to know how. There's evena protection about that as well. So

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something is getting askew. Um,you really want someone some experience and all
that that knows when something's not quiteright. So I can't give enough kudos
to these guys. They really providehim an excellent event. And it's always
best, especially if you knew itthis get with someone who does it right

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and knows what they're doing. Well, thanks, let me throw that right
back at you. You know.The first day I walked into the Hoover
House, the guys were there,you just welcomed me in. It was
like family I built can at testyou know? Afterwards, I was like,
man like, that was one ofthe best nights I had in a

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long, long time. And it'sbecause of the house is amazing. But
the people people there were amazing too, you know, the living people,
that's the two of you, Pat, Steve, everybody that was there that
night just made it really really reallyamazing. So thank you for talking about
it for days afterwards. So hewas really excited. You guys are awesome,

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and you know, it was alot of fun and it was just
different. You know, the HooverHouse is so different. You like,
Steve's all tickled pink. But theother day Friday, during the day,
um, he got he's going downthe basement too, stairs and he has
a habit of you know, greetingour spirits as he gets down to you

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hear him bounding down the stairs saying, okay, spirits, how are you
doing today? Blab today blah blahblah. And just as he gets down
to the base and to flick onthe light, he got a great EVP
is going, hey Steve, what'sup? Nice? Hey he's tickled pink.
Yeah they knew and all that thathouse talks. I mean more than

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a lot of places I've been to. And yeah, I was I was
very very surprised at the EVPs wecaught that my first night there, and
then even on the second night wegot some great stuff. We'll get into
that house that the house is amazing. It's definitely one of the most special
places I've ever investigated. Well,that means a lot to us. Thank

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you. We really, we really, we feel very blessed. And believe
me when I tell you, we'retrying to work to make sure it stays
Christine, if you get where I'mcoming from, you know, sort of
to keep the less the less thanpositive energies away and uh and and the

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people make it sense. Yeah,But you know what was even more special
for me? Um. I mean, it was great there. You guys
got there and you got some goodevidence vps of personal experiences, that type
of thing. But I think whatmade a special at least for me,
was knowing what you had gone through, Rob, and we sat and talked
at length about where you were comingfrom and and you know, you weren't

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even real sure if you want tocome back, um, and to trust
us to be that first time back, and the security you kind of felt
once things got rolled, especially whenthat guardian angel comes through. That that
to me was more special than anyof it because that means that you took

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a chance on us and it pannedout for the best, and you trust
us, and that meant a lotmore to me than an EVP. You.
I one hundred percent agree, Andit was another thing talked to Bill
afterwards. It was you know,it was it was all fun until it
felt like it wasn't going to befun for a minute. But you know,
you guys were you were all awesome. And it was nothing about the

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house for anybody. That's the thing. It was. That's something I had
going on. And yeah, everynow and then I stick its head in
and some people don't. I didn't. I'll be honest. I didn't really
know how to handle it at thatpoint. Um thought I did. But
when it when it finally popped backin, I was like, well that's

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pretty strong. But you guys weretremendously helpful and you know everything about that
at night, you know, evenending up there because honestly, um,
Christina invited me from the Coast Paranormaland yeah, I was just expecting an
investigation, right. I didn't evendo any research on the Hoover House,
just because I wanted to go inkind of blind. Um, so I

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was expecting like just an investigation,standard investing. I walked in and it's
it's like a paranormal party. Imean, it's just so fun and it's
so welcoming and warm and happy,and yeah, you just don't want to
leave. That's the problem. Mysister Jennifer and your husband mob Prob you

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got to meet. They're listening tonightand they just wanted me to tell you
they were just riveted the other weekwith your stories and with your awesome Hi
guys. I really your sister justshe's a right had so much fun talking.

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Yeah, everybody there that the nightthat the two of us were there
was fantastic. We had such agood time and it's it's kind of crazy
leading up to Rob being invited therethe first time. Back in August,
me and my fiance we were atthe in Pine Bush, New York,
at their UFO festival, and weran into a paranormal team. We were

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talking. We mentioned Gettysburg and theysaid, oh, you got to go
say at the Hoover House. Theplace is amazing, and we're like,
oh, okay, we'll keep thatin mind. So to put a note
in my pandic, to put anote in her phone, and then we
completely forgot about it, and monthsgo by, and it was early December
and it just randomly just opened onher phone to that note saying that Hoover

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House. So we looked into it. We're like, Okay, this place
seems cool and we love Getty's Burg, so you know, maybe we can
work something out here with get Haunted. So I was actually drafting an email
to Steve and Pam to to,you know, see if they'd be open
to having us come down and allthis, and then Rob calls me and
says, hey, I just gotinvited to the Hoover House. Yes,

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we're used to that kind of stuffhappening. Yes, Well, um,
what was the one? We hada couple of guests that were staying there,
just ben breakfast guests. They weren'teven paranormal and enthusiast or anything,
and they happen to be staying therethe same night and they come down for
breakfast the next morning and the oneguy is with his wife and another woman

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is with her husband. But thisguy and that woman just cut look at
each other and I don't nowhere.He was like, I know you.
I took you to my senior proms, like what are the odds of stuff
like that? You know, that'sawesome. Yeah, I think they each
other since they're high days. Youknow, they will live in out of
a jersey or something, you know, said Pam's going, Oh it's kids,

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man, you know that's great.Yeah, it's a it's a fantastic
place even you know, even ifit wasn't haunted, it's it's an amazing
building and structure, and but it'sit's it's pretty freaking haunted, that's for
sure. Yea. So one ofthe other things where there well should say

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that we Jim and Steve are inthe process of doing, is they have
the lease on the toll house,the old toll house and the log cabin
behind it, and the toe houseSteve is going to turn into getting his
birth goosest exchange number two and outof the log cabin. They purchased a

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short bus and they're going to bedoing haunted tours and historical tours for the
town of Waynesboro. And now Iknow we have the movie theater we're talked
with. What are the other buildingsin town that we have talked with trying
to get public investigations? First off, The first good news is we passed
the first turtle. They had theirmeeting, the town did and they passed

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the measure to rezone it, sothat's you know, they had told us
some funch, but until they actuallydo it, you're never quite sure.
So then they have to formalize it. And then by the end of March,
sometime in March, we'll have accessto both of those buildings and they'll
be open for investigations and part ofthe Hoover House, so that'll be pretty

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nice. And then we also bythen, hopefully we'll have the public library
open for public investigations. This um, I don't know if it's Friday or
Saturday. We're back to the Jamesand jess antique store and Wayne spur are
doing another investigation and that's always beeninteresting and all said the candy store in

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town, Oh, the original owna really neat Greek lady. Well she's
still there and they got her originalchair and where she used to sit,
so it'll be interesting. I fullyexpect to be able to pick her up
on some EVPs. You know.Awesome and so much like you guys.

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That's one of the things we're tryingto do is as much as we love
Gettysburg, I don't know a betterphrase to use, and it's going to
sound to my horspit. It's kindof played out like everybody goes. There's
one like thirteen different ghost walks youcan do, and we're trying to bring
some of that excitement to this townand open it up for the paranormal and

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help the local businesses here as well, you know, because this place we
I just moved over here last month, because when I see this town,
it reminds me of fifties six viewsof Americano parades or families, and that's
how I want to raise my kids. And it's it's really like a throwback
in time. And if we canopen up to some of these places like

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this and help them wind their pocketsand make their businesses success um even better,
you know, And that's much likeyou guys are trying to do with
your stuff. Everybody wins, andthat's that's a beautiful thing, you know.
And you know, diners and eventhe gas stations, everybody wins.
When you start bringing tourism into aplace or tours um, it's a it's

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a beautiful thing town. It wasamazing Friday. We were in the orphanage
that gets for orphanage had a group, you know, and they were running
late. There was a group ofolder, older ladies and they were coming
down fourth They're up in the MontoursWilliamsport area, Pennsylvania, and so they

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got there late. What he setup was Dave, myself, Pam,
Steve, and my granddaughter and wewere in the basement with the table and
Steve and I had hooked into somelittle girl and she was attracted to Steve
and wanting to come over to theHoover House. So we were just contacting

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her when the group of vibes andso they come bounding down the basement stairs
with a little girl. She's gone, and almost immediately could feel there was
another spirit, of a much strongerspirit present, and right away they're starting
to spell and the woman to woman'sspirit and she spells out her name,

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Regina, and the lady with thegroup that had just come in, she's
like, oh my god, AndI said, what's that? And Regina
was her son's girlfriend who they hada child together, a daughter, and
they've been and she o d ateighteen years of age, and she come
through. It's been been a numberof years because I think the little girls

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like eleven now beautiful little girl.And she come through. She'd been able
to forgive herself for the pain shehad inflicted on others, and so she
had crossed over and they were ableto and she she reflected her age and
all that stuff came through and youknow, the woman, it was like

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amazing, and then went over andit hugged her. And then she had
her friends at this and this tablesliding on the cement and debasement hugging your
friends and uh, you know,you can't make this crap up. You
just like you just go with it. And that was pretty neat. We
had a nice session there and thenthey have have you been to the orphanage

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before, either of you? Theyhad these long tables they're what like seven
feet longer. They're big now theyhave separate benches that to sit on,
but I mean they're heavy tables.And we we want to pump in the
were all on the table and theguy who was loads it running it,

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he was amazed. We actually gotthis huge table to move about six inches
just sitting at him. He wentin and he says, I can't believe
this crap that so you only therea couple hours and you know how that
goes. It's a little you know, short, but it's amazing what the
spirits were willing to come out anddivulge in just a couple of hours.

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But anyhow, it was a itwas a it was a it was a
fun event. Yeah, I needto check that place out one day.
I haven't been there, um,honestly, and living in Pennsylvania should be
shame to myself to get us birthonce. Um. But you know,
I was always on the road forfor the last five years, from you
know, the Queen Mary to youknow, New England. Is just always

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on the road. And when Iwasn't doing you know, working, I
wanted to just be home and notbe tired. And for the audience,
both Rob and Bill they've been toyou name the places. I mean,
they've been to a virtual who's whoof the the name list of the famous

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places and all that, and theirexperiences are amazing and hopefully we can talk
you know, well, what doyou feel comfortable talking about tonight, because,
like I said, my sister said, oh my god, good,
here's some of your stories. Butthere's also lessons to be learned in them
as well. There are, yeah, there are yep. Yeah, we've

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learned some of those lessons a hardway. So how are you? I
guess who was the brain child?Like I knew Robin said you were doing
the merchandise outside of it? Whowho was it that said, you know
what, why don't we started insteadof doing eventually people, why don't we

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start doing this for ourselves and doit better? And do it are?
You know? I don't know.Rob and I started talking about this back
in August. You know, wewere both because because I worked for Rob
with Rob as he likes to putit, but I worked for him,
he was my boss um. Butwe were both a little disenfranchised with with

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what we were the place we wereworking, and you know, we knew
it can be done better, andwe started talking about it, and it'll
evolved naturally into the into the network. I don't think either one of us
really pushed for it to be thenetwork. It just that's just what it
became. That's what it was alwaysmeant to become. Yeah, I think
spirit probably had a hand in that. Yes, you know, it's funny

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to say that because I was thinkingthe same thing. And yeah, it
just happened organically, and I don'tknow if we had to have discussions or
any thing. It just started happening, you know, and it just even
the way Bill and I met waswas odd. Um, that's the whole
thing, the whole story. Andeven you know, we talked about this

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that night. Me said, endingup at the Hoover House that night probably
that was probably on some somebody's listsomewhere, like it definitely seems like we've
been pushed towards this by by apower above ourselves. Yeah, yeah,
we get it. Yeah, I'mway out of my comfort end rob.

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Rob mentioned it a couple of timeshow we met, So I'll tell the
story real quick. Uh So,my fiance she bought me a birthday present,
which was a trip to Mid OrangeCorrectional Facility for a paranormal ghost time
and it was supposed to be Decemberof twenty twenty. Well, that got
canceled due to COVID, so theygot rescheduled for March of twenty twenty one,

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and then that got canceled for somebizarre reason. So we rescheduled for
the end of April. So excuseme. We show up and this place
usually has like thirty forty people there. Me and her are two of five
people, and it was the nightthat Rob was there working, and it

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was so bizarre that we're there thatnight, Like it felt like we were
pushed there that night. Everything keptcanceling everything but leading up to it,
so it and with everything that's happened, it definitely feels like Rob and I
were meant to meet. But youknow, as soon as we met,
we became friends pretty much immediately,you know. But we was at location

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the city. Yeah, it werewith New York. It was a boys'
school and then became a prison.You had told me that I had forgot.
Yeah, it's a cool place.It's great, and you know,
we were I was lucky enough tobe, you know, one of the
first people to really investigate it,and you know, it was it was
a story that was just unfolding overall the months I was there. I

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was there a lot, so Igot to know the place pretty well and
the spirits there and then and Billsaid it like, there's normally thirty forty
people, and that's what that placelike. It's just like a big battery
and the activity really starts kicking.So when I figured out it was five
people. I was like, thisis gonna this is gonna suck, right

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because with five people like you don'tget it, you don't even get a
break, Like you just gotta keepgoing. So Bill shows up and the
other three people all were all fiveof them were awesome. Bill walking around
with his this equipment that I havenever seen before that I'm like, Jesus,
what is that? And he's like, oh, I make this stuff.

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And I'm like, all right,what would you charge me for this?
And he gave me a ridiculous numberthat I yelled at him for it
was too much ridiculous because it wastoo it was too low. It was
That's why I yelled at him.But anyway, that night turned into probably
one of the best investigations I hadthere over a couple of years of going

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Bill. You know, Bill's reallygreat. I focusing and like he's got
his camera and he and I like, you know, I just I'm all
over the place. So I seethis figure walking through through this room there
in the hallway. I'm standing ina room across all the way. I
see this shadow figure walking. Ilose my mind because even after a hundred

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investigations, thousands of hours. Ijust I lose my mind every time I
see something like that. And Billhad to wear it with all that actually
swing his camera and he got partof that apperson on film, which was
just made my day because I thinkwe talked about this. I do feel
like I'm crazy sometimes I'm like,I just saw that. I know what
I saw, but I really seethat at my losing my shit, I

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don't know, um, but hecaught it on film and that that made
me happy, which U save mesome money on im Terraby because that thing
was real. I think it wasreal. Guests excellent. Yeah, I
think I'll mention for the audience,say, keep Bill builds some outstanding equipment

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for the field. And I knowhe was in some folks. Simon Steed
discussed and I think Steve is reallyexcited about Carrie the items. Uh at
the Guest Ghost Exchange this up thisyear. Yep, yep, you'll be
able to find my stuff. Uh. Empty Casket is my company, my

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name brand. Uh. I makeK two's and rampods and you know,
Luiji boards and Spirit communicators and allkinds of stuff. And yeah, it
was the exceptional kat. It's oneof the best out there. I just
say thank you. Yeah, Ihad sound to it and in a temperature
sensor. Um, yeah, no, it's really it's really yeah, yeah,

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I think the thing it was justover there dropping something, also picking
something. I didn't have time tochair the big chair had a chair.
The sensitivity just perfect. Nice.Nice. So what are the immediate plans
as far as the Haunted Network?Do we have um locations planned or we

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didn't talk for any anybody or anythinglike we got we got we got several
locations. Our first official event isgoing to be at White Hill Mansion in
Fieldsborough, New Jersey. That'll beFebruary nineteenth, and then we have the
Shanley Hotel on March twenty six thatwe definitely want to do that with just

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this year. Shanley is awesome.Yeah, Shanley's awesome. That one's sold
out. But we have at leastone more date. But with the Shanley
coming up this spring, white Hill, we have a couple events coming up,
and then we'll be at the HooverHouse in June for a very special
event that we're still kind of workingthe details. Yeah, that's gonna be

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different. Um, So we havethose We have five dates locked in six
now with UM, I'm talking toa couple of other places, one of
them up here that's kind of localthat hasn't had anybody investigate it yet,
so I'm excited about that. Hopefullywe get it um. So yeah,
you know, and then end ofFebruary, I've got meetings with a couple

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of different places, so we're tryingto get them lined up. The truth
is, we weren't going to launchGet Haunted until early this year, and
I don't know people had heard wehad something brewing, right and the day
after the war in Para Con Iwoke up. I wasn't there, but

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I guess people were talking in thereand my phone was blowing up and they're
like, what are you working in? M oh God? So Dylan,
I had some a mansion RNT Irented out. We were going with some
friends to someone mansion on Halloween.So I was like, you know what,
let's just launch it and see whathappens. So that's what we did.
I mean, we're at seven hundredand something subscribers already and just a

(34:22):
couple of months, UM, we'vebeen able to help a bunch of people.
So I'm just I'm happy with howit's going, and I honestly never
thought we'd be where we're at rightnow. Um yeah, we've got a
bunch of bunch of things in store. It's just I like when I had
my day job, I didn't workthis hard. I literally think I'm working

(34:45):
like twelve hours a day and nowit's ridiculous, but it's worth it because
I love it and be Steve.I loved doing you know, what we
do, and meeting folks like you, Like I said, how we met,
Why we met? I don't no, but I'm glad it happened.
Yeah, absolutely, And unlike Rob, I do have a day job and

(35:07):
then I do this at night.And I do mean that I haven't slept
really in about two weeks now becausewe have a we actually have a show,
a paranormal horror noddity show coming upnext Saturday that we're gonna be vendors
at. So we've been cranking outstuff well, you know, try and
get stuff done for that. That'llbe at the Scranton Cultural Center in Scranton,

(35:28):
Pennsylvania, from eleven till five thatdate again, that's that's January twenty
ninth, next Saturday. Okay,Yeah, that'll be the first time I've
ever been to one. So itis, but yeah, I've ever set
up at one. Let's put itthat way. So I get a bunch
of stuff I'll bring him and seehow it goes. The end of whatever

(35:52):
allowing for that block was tied andso on. Um, he got that
going up there for the Rochester community. Um. And because he is such
a dear friend and he is theproducer of this network that we're on for

(36:15):
our show, UM, we wantedto help him out. So a lot
of the people who have shows onour network are going to be up there
for that one. So again,weather allowing miss Steve area, he said,
I know I'm not racing any blizzard. Yeah, you can get pretty
pretty snowy up. It can.It absolutely can. So are there any

(36:40):
places that are on your wish listas far as um, places that you
haven't reached out to yet that youwould really like the host offender everywhere?
To put it simply, there's there'svery few things places that are not on
our wish list. Um, butwe're we're gonna try to take it a

(37:01):
little slow. Uh, you know, build a reputation with these couple of
places and start, we'd like tostick more with some of the smaller,
more you know, obscure places atleast to begin with, because they don't
get a lot of the traffic.You know, a lot of the other
companies do this kind of stuff.They go to the big you know places,
the uh the bucket list that everybodyhas. But you know, we

(37:23):
want to help out the smaller guybecause then we can bring smaller groups of
people there, so it's a moreintimate experience for everybody. It's it's a
little easier on us. And youdon't have a place like Waverley and you're
trying to, you know, haveten people there. You know, Waverley,
you kind of have to have alot ton of people, and that's
just not what we want to do, at least not yet. And you

(37:45):
know, I really believe that especiallysome of these new places that have really
helped minimal with any exposure. Umspirit has a story and want you to
get it out there. And notto say that you're not gonna contact spirits
and be involved with this in thesefamous places, but I'll tell you,

(38:08):
you get in these new areas andsometimes you get very intimate personal interactions with
spirits and that I don't know thathe could have his quality and experience.
Some of these nap to still Dave'sthere is somebody's here once to listen to

(38:34):
us and can Yeah, and nowwe don't do what we've been wanting to
do all this time. Yeah,Dave Distill, you're phrasing. A lot
of these places are kind of playedout. But one thing I've I've I've
have my bucket list, and I'veslowly, you know, crossing them off
the list. And I've noticed thatthese places that are the bucket list items
that have hundreds of people going throughit every week, you don't get like

(38:59):
Rampo and K two's don't go offthere. They don't play around with those.
So I mean, we we alwaystry to do something a little bit
different, think a little outside thebox. Um, we carry around a
piece of yarn with us and we'llput it in a doorway and shut the
door and see if something tugs onthe yarn on the other side. And
you know, we're always trying todo something different. But a lot of

(39:19):
these smaller places, the places thatdon't get a lot of traffic, you
get a lot more really cool evidencefor the exact reason you mentioned that they're
not really they don't get to talkto many people very often, so I
think it really excited when when youget that opportunity. Yeah, I mean,
there's there's a place that we're it'snear and dear to us. It's

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about what four hours from us calledCane, Pennsylvania, and the big hotel
up there is this ancient place calledthe Kane Manner, and we've been blessed
to have been invited, well threetimes. I didn't make it the one
time, but so I've only doneit twice. But this place is fantastic.

(40:07):
We've had some stuff there that wehave never seen before or since.
In the basement of this place usedto be a gentleman's only club, and
I don't mean like strippers, butI mean like a men's club. Women
weren't allowed unless they were there toentertain a male guest. And while Jim

(40:31):
and the rest of the group thatwas there were out kind of seeing the
sights in the town and here inthe history of the town. This afternoon,
it was middle of the afternoon,I stayed there and was doing a
live feed on Facebook from that basementarea, and the first thing that came
across the fasilbox is a man saying, let's have a drink. Well,

(40:54):
this used to be a bar typething, so sure to pour one down,
you know. And then the nextthing was a female that said you're
cute, and you know, asthe tech guy who's always behind the camera,
I'm like, finally I get alittle appreciation here. Well, it
wound up. She followed me everywherethat night. When I was in the

(41:15):
room with them, in that sameroom investigating that evening, she was there
when I moved to a different room. She followed me in stock Coomer Costs
on their faszilbox. And then thebuilding that Jason Tilts across the street is
owned by the same people. It'scalled the Longhorn, and they have some
rooms over there you can stay aswell, and that's where my room was,

(41:37):
and she followed me over there andwe did a live session over there,
and we have it on flour kcamera and the live feed of her
talking on the fazzil box and settingoff rampods in the room and basically telling
Jim and all them to get out. She wanted to be alone with me,
so we were like, oh,we're gonna have to change this from

(41:58):
paranormal X. So I and soI went up sleep and then night with
the four k on me in nightfashing all night just to see and there
were there's a couple of times Iwas dead ass asleep and then Renpos started
going off. Man, I meanshe was. She was hanging out me
for a while, stuff that I'venever seen. But nobody's ever heard of

(42:19):
these places, you know. Um, and we have a dear friend that
lives right up there, right inthe heart of town, and she she
did all the set up and talkedto everybody and um got it all set
up. And the very first timewe did it was Jim and I and
our psychic medium Haley Um Dan Clayswas there from the Hymnsdale House. Um.
Just it's a good group of people, you know, and we had

(42:45):
some really interesting, fantastic stuff.UM. So, I can understand what
you're saying, and I completely agreewith you. These smaller places they don't
get the foot traffic. So thatquote unquote that psychic battery hasn't been used
help as much. It's still supercharge and ready to go, you know.
Man. So, so let meask you, because your story reminded

(43:07):
me of a story that happened tome. So you have you guys been
to the Shanley. I'll tell younot yet, all right, so yeah
you gotta come. Um, similarkind of thing there. You know,
there's a former there's a brothel areathere, and yeah, when she liked
me, it was weird. Itwas one of the weirdest things ever.

(43:30):
And a lot of people were there. But uh, yeah, I'll save
the story for when we were hangingout there. But it is, uh,
it's it's a fantastic place. Butyeah, I love I love the
quieter places. Oh yeah, that'sa great question. Now, I I

(43:51):
don't know if you, um,well, one of our one of our
very loyal viewers, Collette, shewas asking, have you ever invested instigated
any place that's really scared? Yeah, and I know you personally, Lob
have had quite the experience. Idon't know if you really want to reveal

(44:12):
about the place or or um,you know, we're just touch base on
that without really it really is afascinating story. It is when you're listening
to it, yes, um,But it's also it's also warning to others.
This this is not this is notYou're not going out to to go

(44:37):
and have someone jump out and scareyou this. I mean, this is
seriously enough. You need your facultiesabout involved with this. So so yeah,
to answer that question, yeah,there's two places that scared me.
Um. Both had me take abreak from from the conjuring from from paranormal

(44:58):
investigation for a little while. Onewas Old Montana Prison and Dear Lodge,
Montana, and the other was theConjuring House up in Rhode Island. So
you know, Old Montana is anold territorial prison out in the middle of
nowhere, and there's just something aboutthat place that is foreboding, like you

(45:22):
you know when you go there,that you're like, this is gonna be
a tough night. And that wasThose were long events. Those were like
it would go from about seven untilabout seven in the morning, which is
too long, and I'd be thereprobably, you know, two or three
days. Sometimes. It was justit was just one of those places where
it was really like in your face. And I had an experience there where

(45:47):
I saw this figure. I waswith a family. I saw this figure.
We kind of kind of followed itand I ended up losing time there
and you know, I spent whatI thought was five minutes turned into me
standing alone in a room with twopeople that I thought were real in the

(46:08):
chapel for almost an hour and Idon't know what happened to me. I
don't know where I was. Idon't know anything about what occurred during that
time. But that rattled me prettyseriously, like it's it scared me.
And they have they do have adog there that's like my best friend all
the time. Was my best friendall the time. And you know,

(46:31):
once I went back up to thegift shop, that dog wanted nothing to
do with me. They couldn't bribeit to come near me nothing. So
you know, when animals start reactinglike these things can be sticky sometimes it's
the truth. You know, whenyou when you're playing in this world,
you know there's a little bit ofa gamble that you're taking that you know

(46:53):
you can get something stuck to you. Whether it's for an hour, a
day, or year, it dependsreally, So that one scared me just
because I don't know what happened tome and I can't remember anything. It's
the weirdest thing. Then the otherwas and I don't really talk about this.

(47:14):
These guys know my story I spenta lot of time at the Conjuring
House in Rhode Island, And youknow, depending on who you talk to,
Right, some people go there andthey're like, it's the easiest thing
in the world, Like place isn'teven scary. And then there's people that
have had some pretty pretty big experiencesthere. I'm one of them. Don't

(47:37):
know why. The first from thefirst day I ever got there, weird
things happened to me, and weirdthings would happen to my vehicle on the
way home, and weird things werehappening to my kid here. And it
was a gradual build up. Ispent eleven nights there, not consecutively,

(47:58):
two three out of time max.And every time I went, it would
give me a little bit more,a little bit more, you know,
And it was you know, whenyou go to these places, especially one
like that kind, there's a psychologicalfactor that you have to take into account.
Right, this is the Conjuring House. This is supposed to be scary,

(48:20):
So I thought. I wrestled withthat a lot. With some of
the things that I experienced personally.There were nights literally where I had guests
there that lasted forty five minutes youknow, and they left. They spent
two hundred and fifty dollars and theycouldn't deal with it. I saw people
curl up in the fetal position onthe floor there, and I saw people

(48:42):
having parties in there and jump intobed and wanting to go to sleep.
Nothing was attacking them. I'll tellyou this, what I saw there from
the day one rattled me. Itchanged me what I felt there and recorded
there. Everybody, so you don'tknow, you know, the holy grail
of recorders EVP recorders of the DRsixty. If you ask, a lot

(49:07):
of people will agree. And they'rereally hard to get and they're super expensive.
Um. I recorded things there thatmade me sell mine, and I
love that thing and I live byI came back and sold mine. I
sold it. I didn't even wantthe tool anymore to hear some of the
things that I recorded. I brokedown about another one, but I did

(49:30):
sell it. I had to.I love EVPs. But the long and
short of it is like, yeah, I had some issues from there,
and I won't go back. Ilove Korey and gen Um. They're they're
wonderful people and and I hope youknow, and I know they're trying to

(49:51):
sell the house. Um, andI hope they do honestly, because it's
it takes a toll on anybody Ithink that owns it is gonna is gonna
pay a price. And it's alot of work, you know, it's
it's you got, it's constantly apeople trying to come onto the property.
So UM, I'll say this,you know, without saying too much,
and because I really thought I wascrazy, and I think it's fair to

(50:15):
throw And again I don't mean thisto um to disparage the owners of the
house and that, but we hadan experience at the Hoover House with this
very powerful spirit of good and wewere basically told, both Steve and I

(50:35):
in love that we were never toset foot on that property again. And
we've never been there, so that'seasy for us. But the only reason
I throw this out is please,UM, I don't know. I you
know, it's like them off andthe candle kind of stuff, but it's
not it's not something to take light. Yet people have gone there not had

(50:59):
anything happened to them County busings.But UM, I don't know. You
might you might have to pay aprice. Yeah, you know, A
word of warning. Yeah, andthat can become in ways that you don't
even think. Right, It's usuallynot a physical harm kind of thing,
right, it can affect people aroundyou, situations around you. Um,

(51:20):
even talking about it is you know, some people are like, this guy's
crazy. I get it. Andyou know, there were moments I thought
that I was crazy because you know, and Bill will tell you, right
Bill, Bill went not, youknow, one night he had to work
it and I told him three nightsover. Yeah, So I'm like,

(51:42):
it's gonna be different, right,you're gonna go there, You're gonna never
stop thinking about it, blah blahblah. But it makes you feel,
you know, whatever happens there,my observation makes you feel comfortable with the
house. And you know Bill,I talked to Bill honest way home and
check on him. He's like,yeah, it was pretty quiet, and
then he started I'm like, well, what happened When he started rattling off,

(52:06):
you know, like list of investigationsand get a maybe the shadow figures
things moving, sls, hits likepretty much everything that could happen happened,
And I brushed it off as ifit was nothing he did, and I
knew he was going to and Isaid, listen to yourself, like because
he wanted to go back. Hecouldn't wait to go back to get more

(52:27):
and more. And that's what happensfor people. So when I get the
natural fascination with it, you know, there's the movie, there's the book,
and then there's reality, and thereare all three of those things are
probably very very different. Um,but what I will tell you is like,
yeah, like if you're not preparedthat it can it can scare the

(52:47):
hell out of Yeah. So yeah, gotta protect yourself. I'm very sorry
that Rob had to go through whathe went through, but him going through
it probably saved me from going throughit because knowing his story, you know
what both what he saw happening tome and what I've realized was happening where

(53:07):
it's the early stuff that was goingon with him. And so I'm like,
Okay, I can't go back.I was actually supposed to go back
in February and I decided not to. I'll never go back there again.
I'm not good. It's not worththe risk. I've seen amazing things there.
It's I've seen it. I'll gosee those things inplace else. It's

(53:30):
not worth the risk to me isit, Bill, is there's some other
place that Um, I know you'reall partial to the shame because you you
know, totally lovely experiences, butis there another place that's sort of really
special to you on any kind basis? Um? So, So, my
favorites are Mid Orange Correctional Facility.I've been there a handful of times,

(53:52):
and every time it's it's a goodtime. You don't always get tons of
evidence, but what you get isreally good. And that's war with New
York. Okay. Um, TheShanley the very close second. The last
time Rob and I were there,we went there with some friends and we
had some really weird stuff happened.Uh, both Rob and I saw shadow

(54:16):
figures and mists and stuff moving throughon the third floor. Um, you
know. He he mentioned that hishis little um interaction with one of the
Ladies of the Evening. Well,there's two Ladies of the Evening there,
and I had interaction with the otherone, although mine was not I've definitely
got to go to the shower nexttime, Dave. Um. Yeah,

(54:39):
the Shanley is a lot of fun. But then locally, to me,
uh, my favorite place locally isthe scrant Cultural Center. It's a Masonic
temple and theater and all that.And we have a local group here that
does um ghost tours and and alot of the you know in our valley
and they do a great job.And with them, I've gone a few

(55:02):
times to the Grant and Cultural Centerand that place is just incredible. Again,
it's not a ton of evidence,but what you get is really mind
blowing. I've heard from a numberof different groups in locations around the country
that have done investigations at local Masonicmeeting holes and stuff, and I mean

(55:25):
had like the full range of activityfrom the good end to the bad end,
and just I don't know, somethingabout those seems to create some kind
of energies and scenes. Yeah,and the Great and Cultural Center is doubly
because you know, theaters always havea lot of stuff going on in them,
and so here you have them signa temple, natheater, all in

(55:46):
the same building. And even ifwhen nothing I've been there before when practically
nothing happened, but it's still it'ssuch a beautiful building. I don't care.
I'm just happy being there. It'sa really cool places. Never been
there, but He'll be there onSaturday when we have that at that show.
Have you ever have you ever likeblab was explained, He said a

(56:08):
couple of times where the experience madehim me think whether to be involved with
all this or not. Has thatever happened, Not to the extent that
Rob has had. I've had afew experiences that made me rethink how I'm
going about it, and if I'vehad a few scary experiences that, like

(56:34):
just in the moment, scared thehell out of me. I was at
a prison, an old prison inLunapa. I was leading a group,
and we were on the chapel andthe property, and so everybody's sitting down
in the pews. I'm standing upfront explaining what we're going to be doing,
what equipment we're using, it all. And throughout the night I've been
seeing shadow figures in the front ofthe church, and people had kept seeing

(56:58):
things behind me. And to mysecond group, I stupidly said, you
know, I really wish they wouldstop standing behind me and it would stand
at the place where I can seethem, because it was a recurring thing
that any place I went people wouldsee things behind me. So my next
group, I'm explaining everything and Ilook over to my right and two feet

(57:20):
away from me is a person standingright there. You know, I could
see every detail of them, exceptthat could also see through them a little
bit. And it scared the hellout of me. I had I had
a rob moment where I jumped backand you know, created some new curse
words and completely freaked out. Itwas terrifying. And yet after you know,

(57:40):
my heart stopped beating, I'm like, okay, I'm ready for more,
bring it back. So that's whenI knew, okay, this is
I'm I can really do this fora long time. But the most terrifying
thing that happened to me we wereat a local cemetery. One of my
favorite cemeteries around here was absolutely beautiful. We've investigated a handful of times and

(58:04):
always get really interesting of the resultsthere. Well, this one night,
we were doing the the Estis method. My fiance was under and she was
sitting at a stone where it wasa whole family um mother, daughter or
mother's father, and I think itwas three kids. They all died in
a tragically in a theater fire.Um. So we made contact with them

(58:28):
and we had we were getting alot of very permanent information it was one
of the best estis methods that weever had. And then everything changed,
like the whole, like the feelingand everything just kind of changed. And
and Ty my fiance, says,we are the advocates. We've been watching
you and will bring you up.What the hell is this? And so

(58:52):
my first thought was alien. SoI'm looking up in the sky expecting to
see something go through the sky orwhatever. So, you know, we
didn't get anything else for another minuteor two, and like, okay,
we're gonna call it. I goover and as I'm walking over to her
to pull her out, she goes, they keep showing showing me a lake.
They're showing me a lake. SoI shoulder. She pulls the blindfold

(59:16):
off. She's crying and said,what's the matter? She goes, I
just saw a goddamn gray. Whatdo you mean you saw a gray?
She opened up her eyes under themask, and so she sees nothing but
darkness, but out of the darknessa gray as it like like the aliens
that you see and like X filesand stuff stepped out, and that's what

(59:36):
said, we are the advocates,We've been watching you, will bring you
up. And then in her headshe kept saying, we'll show me the
coordinates, and they started flashing thispicture of a lake to her. And
it wasn't until about a week laterthat we were actually looking for the lake.
And earlier I was listening re listeningto the session, and at one

(59:57):
point, just randomly, she said, Eerie. So okay, well,
I'm gonna search for pictures of LakeErie. The second picture she pointed at
and said, that's the lake theyshowed me. But well, it was
really scary about all that. I'vebeen terrified of aliens since i was a
little kid. That night, wewere both heading to my house in separate
cars, and there's an area wherewe passed a lake, and we lose

(01:00:22):
cells service around that lake. Sowe were on the phone the whole time
because we were both terrified, andthen we're both passing this lake. Just
you know, it was difficult todrive past that without completely freaking out,
and especially knowing that on that roadjust a couple of months prior we saw

(01:00:45):
you a vote on that road wenthome from a ghost time once. So
it was it was a truly terrifyingnight. I thought it was over my
fear of aliens. I was notthat mean that doesn't stop me from asking.
Whenever we do the s this method, I always ask, you know,
are the advocates listening? You knowwho are the advocates? Do you

(01:01:05):
know who they are? Just totry to get some more information. But
um, yeah, that was thatwas scary personally. All right, well,
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I don't know why I keep freezingup. Mm hm h m hm

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m m. I don't know.I don't know what I can do.
No, me if it changes.Maring is bad. Let's see it.

(01:10:23):
Don't get if you Okay, sowe'll try and leave them chills us the
issue. What a great MS orderfor students and just want to be on

(01:10:56):
board with a really cop cop notchtrue. Um, I really I think
you'll have a great time if youthe advantage of a lot of years of
experience. You get some really neatplaces and I'm playing things and chewy things.

(01:11:25):
It's not it's not a mass production. It's it's more one with the
sperience. I think it had aneven better time if you join the event
they're having, Yeah, that wouldbe twice as good. Still breaking up
huh wow, I don't get it. I don't know. We'll here,

(01:11:48):
we'll put them in and we'll leavefor forty seconds. Yeah about that?
Yeah, okay, so it's notyou guys. They said that we were
still breaking up. When you guysweren't there, you were so well guitar.

(01:12:11):
So so for the folks still watchit, this is I'm loving it
and hating it. But so yeah, the Hoover House event that we're gonna
do in June, um, we'regonna officially launch it all right in the
next week or so about it parttwo weeks because we have a few things
to iron out. It's gonna betotally different. Um, we're gonna take

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an entirely new and a unique approachto the first half of the night.
High collect and by by new,what he means is really old. Yeah,
that's all we're gonna say, becausewhen this is gonna be cool,
is gonna be one of the coolestthings. Hey, Steve, we took

(01:12:58):
over the show. We believe you, Dave and Jim, we're here,
Nana, it's ours now. HeyHolly, Yeah, we hope to meet
you too. It's gonna be it'sgonna be a unique and fun um night.
You know, it's all of myexperiences there have been fun, but
we're gonna try to We're gonna tryto kick it up a little and make

(01:13:20):
it different and even more unique fromthat house already is Yeah, it's gonna
be a lot of fun. We'rewe've been planning this for a while and
it's gonna be good. Okay,exact better so far? All right?
Excellent? Maybe it's Jim, Yeah, maybe it's him. Did Um speaking

(01:13:44):
of Jim, did what I wastrying to ask you? Through all of
that was did he tell you guysthe story of his graveside session with HH
Holmes? Yes he did, yep, Okay, I just want to make
sure that's that's why we have afriend. I don't know if you guys
are familiar with Steve Hummel, buthe used to do all of the investigations

(01:14:08):
through Moundsville for a while, andthen he has Archives of the Afterlife,
which is a museum of his collectionsof haunted artifacts, and he was getting
with dirt for him for that museum. We actually found a chair that came

(01:14:30):
into James and jess antique store thathad a really negative energy attached to it
that Jim was going to talk tothem about purchasing and sending to Steve,
so that some just random general rememberthe public didn't buy it and have that
thing come in and made their home. So yeah, if you ever get

(01:14:54):
a chance to check out his museums, it's pretty seat, a lot of
cool stuff. He's got a acap that was used during electrocution and und
so pretty cool. I hate thatstory. I'm assuming as you go because
I asked them and you had toldthem, But apparently she hates that story.

(01:15:15):
So I'm guessing that's a bottom.Yeah, so, um, what
what are the long term plans?Like to get as many places I'm spit
on here, but I'm guessing,yeah, many places as possible, but

(01:15:36):
still keep them small intimate groups whereyou can have more of that personal interaction
with as opposed to two guides andseventy people. Yeah, that will never
let that happen ever. Ever,I think we both think we're both familiar
with that company that we won't namebecause we don't do that. But yeah,

(01:15:58):
so that won't happen that I canpromise, and you know, I'd
rather not do it than do itthat way. But yeah, So so
right now, you know, wehave kind of the Northeast covered in terms
of we have us UM. There'swhat we call the Corps, which is
Bill, Tanya, myself and aboutsix other people that could handle events pretty

(01:16:20):
much anywhere, right, Plus wehave a bunch of different UM charter teams.
Right Paranormal New England. We haveSilence Paranormal who hopefully you guys get
to meet one day. They're theregroup of deaf women and I can't imagine
it. They're so they're so amazingand they're They're just beautiful people and watching

(01:16:44):
them investigate is it scares me?Right because I wear I wear hearing aids
and I depend on my hearing tomake me feel safe. I don't know
how they investigate without being able tohear. Um, it's got to be
kind of creepy. I would think. I don't know, I know when
when my hearing aids die on events, I'm done. I'm like, okay,

(01:17:06):
going back to the car, nomore. But we have Silence Paranormal,
we have Paranormal New England East CoastParanormal who you guys know. Well,
Um, we got a bunch ofteams that are ready to get going.
So you know, at least inthe northeastward cover right now, um,

(01:17:29):
and then we're gonna try creeping southand west and see what happens right
and you know down the road.If so, there's a couple things right.
We have the insurance that a lotof places require. That's important.
Um. The charter teams need to, you know, follow our standards.
We have standards for things right andyou know we'll always be there with them

(01:17:49):
to help. But and that's whythe charter teams are who they are right
now, they're they're just they're greatpeople. They know how to investigate and
more more importantly, you know,it's it's cussed Stamer experience, you know,
And that's I like to sell peoplethat we sell an experience and not
a ghost hunting ticket, right becauseit's there's a big difference in in those

(01:18:13):
two things. You know, andexperiences everything, right from how you're treated
from the minute you walk into youknow, what you go home with,
and how you go home if you'reif you leave there angry or annoyed about
something, somebody dropped the ball,and we won't let that happen. So
you know, if you're sitting ina room with forty people when there should

(01:18:33):
be ten, that's the problem aswell. So none of those things are
going to happen, um, atleast not on our watch. Right.
It's it's just not so. IAgain, I think I said it earlier.
I'd rather do less places and andmake less money than do some of
them. Now, do we wantto do some big ones? Yeah?
I don't know. If you guyshave ever been like Missouri State Penitentiary,

(01:18:56):
it's it's, oh my god,this place is magic, like God.
But you can have one hundred andfifty people there and never see each other.
It's that big. Um. Youknow, you'd have to have like
ten groups. But that's fine.Um, that's a beautiful one. And
you know you can pull that offat Malainsville too, with a decent amount

(01:19:16):
of the people. That's another scaryplace. I forgot about that Manaseville.
He's got me scared one night.Yeah, we've been. There's a couple
of times we've had some equipment thatus. It's been broken and it's irreplaceable,
like they don't make them anymore.Talk to that guy on my screen,
he's he's he's below me. Tryto help. I gave the one

(01:19:39):
piece to see because he'd asked theball. Yeah, we get shattered.
But yeah, So so long termplans, you know, I want to
get more and more Hopefully we canget more and more charter teams involved and
again get everybody out there, youknow, working side by side. UM,

(01:20:00):
grow the grow the network group page. Part of another part of that
we didn't even talk about, rightis we're trying to build a director of
skill sets. There's seven hundred peoplein there right now. There's there's accountants,
there's designers, there's videographers. There'sall kinds of different people and and
you guys know as well as wedo, like you might need somebody with

(01:20:26):
that skill set and and you canmaybe find that person in the inside of
the network to to give you ahand. That's a really good idea.
Has been talking for years about,um, you know, everybody talks about
pair of unity, but having likealmost like a Yellow Pages of paranormal teams

(01:20:51):
because there's so many private residences thatpeople need help and they don't need to
turn to. So if we havea view or someone's watching our show and
they live in you know, Idon't know, Burbank, California, Well
maybe we've got this director and we'vegot somebody that we've made contact with that

(01:21:14):
lives close to you. And here'swhat you're called. We trust them.
We're going to take care of you, and you're not going to come in
and make a big mediator, butthey're going to come in to help you.
You know, something like that.We've got that beyond that to day,
they aren't even doing that. Likeyou know, if you want to
start, you know, a podcast, for instance, but you don't really
know where to get started on it. We have podcasters that you can go

(01:21:36):
talk to and get some pointers.If you want to do a YouTube channel,
you can you can go on anduh, you know, ask something
the YouTube guys. You know whatcamera should I get? What? You
know? How should I? Howcan I get started on this? If
you need a logo made, there'speople in the group that have a background
and graphic design or just how graphicdesign and can help with that. So

(01:21:58):
not that you're not enough, butthat's one thing. Well we want to
try. I don't know, ifnot this year, certainly next year.
We wanted to have a vent atthe Hoover House with have a couple of
equipment makers in and go through thevery you know, where people can people
interested that can actually see and sortof see from the builders what's doing and

(01:22:21):
all that. I mean that Ithink that would be very successful. Yeah,
that's that'd be a lot of fun. I'd love to do that.
Yeah, that's some Steve and Ihave talked about, you know, because
he has contacts with so many ofyou equipment makers. Not to overwhelm them,
but have just the select group andvarious things where people are interested in

(01:22:44):
that equipment can come in and maybeyou know, talk one on one with
the people and see how the stuffworks because so often, um, it
really is a shame. People spenda lot of money on this equipment and
most of it doesn't come with theuser man annual. Yeah, I know

(01:23:05):
there would be a lot of interestin that. That would be right up
my alley. Absolutely, And wewe wrap it around a real nice luncheon
into Hoover House so everybody could bein a relaxed atmosphere. And you know,
well we've we've done a number oflike psychic fairs there and on had
just great turnout. Everybody was fishy. Yeah, that's cool, that's you

(01:23:29):
kind of reminded me of something elsewere we've been planning, is you know
seminar like seminars like ghost on inone on one right, Um, not
just for adults, like like,there's a lot of kids that are into
this. You know, my daughter'ssixteen, she's been into it since she
was little. But she's the reasonI GHOSTI. But there are kids that
have experiences and don't parents don't knowhow to deal with that. Yeah,

(01:23:55):
absolutely, there's support group type ofdeal. Yeah, you know, But
so back to Mid Orange, wedid I did a video there with a
pretty famous photographer, and um,he didn't believe in ghosts. He just
didn't. And we did this overnightthere with him and these ballerinas, and

(01:24:16):
he left, you know, believingin ghost like he wasn't. He left
a different person. And yeah,he said, hey, can I come
back with my kids? And Iwas, yeah, sure, no problem.
I assumed they were a little older, but they weren't. So he
showed up like two weeks later withhis his his daughter, who was at

(01:24:36):
least she was ten at the time, and I was like, oh,
this is at mid orange. SoI was like, well, keep an
eye on him. And like,this guy's pretty famous. He couldn't go
anywhere, so like we can kickthe guy out. It was tough,
but he's he's really nice and hiskids are are just the coolest. So
anyway, his daughter we were inthis one building that we call a three
and and it's probably the creepiest locationon the whole property, and it's where

(01:25:01):
we got just weird activity. SheI was doing my thing in the middle
of the room. That kid sawshe somebody hit their their light for a
second, and that that kid sawsomebody standing behind these two women. I
know, I knew who she sawbefore she ever said anything. She freaked,
so they had to go outside.She wanted to leave badly, and

(01:25:26):
I went out and I was talkingto dad and he's looking at me,
like dude, what do I do? And I'm like, you know,
I talked to her. I waslike hey, you know, I'm like,
you saw somebody, didn't you?And she like she couldn't believe what
I was saying and she's like yeah. I was like she had like a
beard and she's like yeah, likeshe I was validating her experience for her

(01:25:48):
where her dad didn't know what todo. And you know, you can
make kids feel really silly by notembracing the things that they say they see.
So go stuning one on one wouldcool, you know, kind of
touch on the equipment thing. Andyou're right, Jim, People a lot
of people buy equipment, and alot of it does not get used properly.

(01:26:08):
Even on the shows we watch onTV. I laugh sometimes because you
know, they're like walking around,they're putting the well music box facing the
wall and it's going off. It'sworthy, especially as somebody who makes it.
And I'm watching it and I seea rampod go off, and it's
a series of beeps that get fashionand fast and faster, and then it's
just on for a long period oftime and they're all freaking out with all

(01:26:29):
the activities they're getting. I'm like, no, that's a rampod. That's
batteries dying. That's what it does. Battery guys, Yeah, I see
it all the time, or anSLS where they're walking around with it.
The SLS is going to give younothing but false positives if you walk around
with it. It has to beon a chart pod stationary, not moving.
Yeah, that's how it was designedto work. Yeah, well,

(01:26:50):
Alicia, Alicia, Yeah, I'mlooking at Alicia's comment. Yeah, I
mean that's a perfect example. Andespecially if you have three three bulls seeing
and hearing things, you know,how do you argue? And it's got
to be difficult, right, especiallyif you don't even if you can't,
I don't know. It's tough.Yeah, it's a tough one. But

(01:27:13):
I always tell people, you know, just embrace your kids and make sure
you're you're supporting them and not youknow, if it's people, you know,
when kids are telling the truth ornot, and especially the young ones.
My daughter started at two talking aboutthese monsters she was seeing when we
visit my dad in the hospital,and she wasn't watching monster movie. She

(01:27:38):
didn't really know what a monster wasat that point. She used to freak
man out. She's creepy, butshe's what got me going. So it
was it was pretty cool. Sothis network that you guys were looking is
that what this attachments page is onthe website. So so no, that's

(01:27:58):
not complete. So if you're onmy website, it's it's not God,
Facebook's a better place, like yeahfor attachments. That's pretty much anybody we're
friendly with ends up there. Doyou need to build a wall of fame
still, because you know, we'regonna do some paranormal challenges at some of
these events and people people that winthe challenge, you know, will get

(01:28:21):
there, get their mug up onthe website if they want it there.
Um, and also that all thecharter teams. I need to build that.
So there's a lot that needs tohappen on the website. Still.
Facebook has just been like a beastfor us. It's pretty it's pretty wild.
How yeah, quickly this thing caughtfire and there there's there's two Facebook

(01:28:41):
pages there's to get Haunted page that'spublic. Um, but if you look
for to get Haunted uh network grouppage, that's a private page. That's
where all the fun stuff is.That's where everybody meets us. That's where
all our members are and you know, please come and join it. Well,
we'll everybody in. It's you know, we make it private just so

(01:29:02):
that we can get rid of peopleif they're a problem. But we haven't
had any problems. Yea, everybody'sbeen amazing so far. Yeah, and
we do cool giveaways, give away, crystals we'll give away and when we
get a thousand, I'm gonna getbuilt up give away and maybe something.
Sometimes I think all the sort ofthe amateur status of this field. You

(01:29:24):
know, so many people, youknow, whether it's quit making, putting
on podcast, doing events, Um, it just is really I think kept
the interest going and yeah, growingso much in that Oh you know,
I think it cold just the vastmajority of people who had at least one

(01:29:47):
experience in their life that they justcan't explain. Lash. Now, what's
really funny, Jim, is soI'm gonna electro magnetics engineer. I work
for a big defense contractor so it'sall engineering and science types. And I
don't hide the fact that that I'minvolved in the paranormal and do who are

(01:30:08):
doing any of this stuff, andpublicly I get made fun of for it.
They mocked me a little bit.It's all in good fun. But
as soon as I get these guysalone in the hallway or wearing a room
together and it's just the two ofus, every one of them has a
story that they want to share becausenow someone's going to listen to them and
not think they're crazy. Yeah.Yeah, people are afraid of being ridiculed

(01:30:32):
or you know, made fun of, and yet you know, we really
talk to them like one on one. It's an experience that I'll never forget.
It's ingrained in their in their beingand uh yeah, it's yeah.
It's why I love doing public eventsbecause you know, a lot of people,

(01:30:55):
the vast majority of the people I'vetaken on overnights over the past five
years were first timers, right,And most of the time it's you know,
not to generalize, but it's thewife who's really into it, and
then it's the husband who's like,all right, she dragged me here and
there. But they're the ones they'rethe ones that react. And man,

(01:31:15):
when I when it happens, it'sjust a beautiful thing. Um at all.
That family at the bel Air Housewith the guy who was with well
brob you know Mike Simpson, wedid we did a public friend at the
bel Air House with him, andhe had brought a family that he knew

(01:31:36):
from his home count in Columbus,No from Detroit, and the son was
really into it, the mother wasreally into it. The father was kind
of like whatever. And sure enough, by the time they left, that
father was like, this was awesome. I'm never coming back to this place,

(01:31:58):
but this was awesome. We goteven video of a pinwheel spinning on
its own and then stopping, thenspin a little bit stop and he's like,
oh, well, there's an ACunit in the window across the other
side of the room. Said Aright, come on, we'll go up
there and debunk it. Should wego up there? And I said,
put your hand in front of thatpinwheel and at the time it's not moving.

(01:32:20):
I said, can you feel airfrom this AC unit? He's like,
not really. I said, lookat the penwheel behind your hand and
it starts moving and it stopped.He pulled his hand back and I said,
good, it's all right. Iknow exactly who this is. Trust
me, She's fine, I said, put it back. He put his
hand back. I unplugged the ACunit. I said, now, is

(01:32:40):
there any air coming in this roomout now whatsoever? He's like no.
So look at a pinwheel and itstarts moving again. He's like, I'm
out. That's very yeah. Asimilar story in Missouri Day Penitentiary. It
was two two sheriffs showed up.Their wives were so excited. You know,
it's it's an iconic place to beginwith. I mean when you walk
up to it, it's just Idon't know if you've been in the eastern

(01:33:01):
state, but take that and magnifyit by like twenty to law enforcement.
They had their own they had theirpolice flashlights with them, and we were
joking around. I banter with everybodyprior to you know, taking them in,
and they're like, this is youknow, you guys are gonna fake
it. I'm like, we don'tfake it, man, But I was
like, I'm gonna have fun withyou guys. So once I had them,

(01:33:24):
brought them up to the hate Crimesunit in one of the buildings.
Passing unit three, and I justwalked them up to the catwalk to this
area where that was that's pretty prettyactive, and I was like, all
right, guys, I'm like,I have two l eos here too,
law enforcement here have fun with them. And I started walking away and they

(01:33:44):
were like, but where are yougoing? Kind I'm like, I was
like this this is this isn't real, right, and they're like no,
but you can't leave. So Ikept walking and I was like, just
turn their flashlights on for me andguy his hand if god they're one of
their flashlights comes on, then theother one comes on and they are like

(01:34:04):
freaking because it's their light and theiractual push button is not like the whole
maglite thing. And man, bythe end, you know, they came
and they thanked me and they werelike, dude, I don't know how
to explain that, but like theywere taking it apart, trying to figure
out what was wrong with their ownflashlights. I like, you can fight
it all you want, like,but tonight, when you're laying in bed,

(01:34:26):
you're gonna be going how the helldid that happen? And yeah,
but those are the moments, man, It's just so much fun. Absolutely,
um do you either even have plansto get back down in the area,
just just you guys, not forthe ventery, just come down and
check some things out. I thinkyet show I plan on being in Gettysburg

(01:34:51):
at some point in February. I'llbe there. On March nineteenth, I
go to Gettysburg lot and now,you know, getting involved with you guys
and working with Steve. I expectI'll be down there quite often. I'll
be at the Farnsworth House Wednesday.I love the Farnsworth Me and Tanya stayed

(01:35:15):
there October of twenty twenty. Thatplace was amazing. Yeah, I'm going,
it's my first time. They We'regoing to hang out with Lawrence from
from Mondo Ducks years and years ago. Jim I we first got into that.
We didn't go that there were placesyou could go and rent, like

(01:35:39):
a bel Air House or Moldsville andstuff like this. So all we knew
was Gettysburg and Tetam Harper's Ferry becauseyou could go there anytime. They were
free, you know, and theywere active. So every year, for
I want to say three or fouryears, Jim and I would pick a
weekend and spend an entire weekend investigatingat the Farnsworth House one year. We

(01:36:03):
actually they were so nice they lefteverything unlocked for us except the kitchen.
Except the kitchen, right we Imean, we could get down to the
basement of the catacombs, all ofit, the attic, everything, and
then we got iced in storm,so we couldn't have left if we wanted
to, and we got some suchfantastic stuff that night. And then I

(01:36:29):
think the reason we stopped doing itwas the final year, you know,
and they knew us by that.We requested same rooms every time. They
tried to put us in one ofthe cabins outside. Yeah, and so
okay, well of course those arebrand new type of nothing nothing, and
we couldn't get into the buildings.You know, one neat thing. I'm

(01:36:50):
glad you mentioned it again. Thisis when we would knew it. This
least to have those old Sevy nightcans, you know, big ass things.
And so we were in we thatthat one time. We had the
whole place to herself and we goin Jeremy's room. You're familiar with Jeremy's

(01:37:12):
room and the toys and all thatdelay that's where we stayed in Jeremy's room.
Yeah, We put all the toysout on the four jeers zoom and
then we take our cam quarter.We set it up on a stand and
I'm, you know, got itgoing, and we locked the door.
So we all went got a bikingplaces, all locked up. When we
come back, we unlocked the doorand all the items are back in the

(01:37:39):
box. Holy shit. So Igrabbed the cam quarter. The entire circuitry
was flied, was destroyed, hadnothing, And I took it to a
you know, I took it toa shop and I'm like, what the
hell you know? And he goesall that. He said, so are

(01:38:00):
your micro served? The trees gone, It's just like the street. And
I said, what the hell causedthat? And he said, had to
be some kind of giant powers.I got zapped. Yeah, it's like,
but we lost more than that.This is awesome. That's the that's

(01:38:29):
the silver lining. Yeah, wewe had what, in my opinion,
is the worst thing that ever happenedto me on a ghost time happened in
Jeremy's room. Um So, onthe trunk there right by the door,
I had lined up a bunch ofpennies, all face up with Lincoln face
in the same way lined them upto see if they would change while we
were out to dinner and walk inthe battlefield and on this. So we

(01:38:51):
go out, we come back andyou know, Tiny's on the phone with
her kids, and I walk inand immediately go over to to take a
look, and the pennies spell highOh wow, hold hold up. So
I start freaking out and I'm tryingto get her attention without yelling and screaming
because she's on the phone. Sofinally she comes over and I'm like,

(01:39:13):
look, look, and she looksdown and she goes, oh, yeah,
I did that before we left.She disappointment. Hey, you guys,
that's that's I would be upset.Well, I'm upset. Walcome have
you guys done? He'll view,He'll view manner yet No, And that's

(01:39:34):
on my bucket list because it's sodamn close. Yeah, it's good.
It's so good too. I rentit for my birthday every now and then,
so you guys can come along.Man, when is that when?
Whenever it doesn't have to be mybirthday, I'll go there anytime it is.

(01:39:55):
It is one of the most hauntedplaces I've I've been. Just it's
just it's good. Watch I talkit up and we're gonna go on.
It'll be it'll be dead quiet.But I've had people hum in my ear,
humming songs. It's just crazy.I love, love love. There
are the places that are on mybucket list that I mean, they're very

(01:40:17):
well known, but I don't knowif they get a lot of um foot
traffic. As far as paranormal investigatorsgo, is well, I know the
one does Malford matter. Yeah,but the Vliska Acts Murder House. I
know everybody knows it, but Idon't know if it gets investigator off.
I don't. I don't know ifthey allow investigations now they do they do.

(01:40:40):
We were actually planning on going outto U Vliska and then in the
Sally House. It's only about twohours from there. Oh I have.
We were We were planning on doingthat this year, but get Hunter started
taking off. I'm like, we'llhold on. When Stephen Pam still had

(01:41:01):
the RV. We were planning aweek long trip. We're gonna hit both
of those. But COVID yeah,yeah, code it's killed more dreams and
well we won't get into that politicalstuff. Um, So okay, so

(01:41:23):
let's let's start to take off.You guys are are getting it out there.
What's next on the list, Like, what's the next thing? Like
on your itinerary? Okay, we'vewe've launched this, We've announced this place,
We've announced this thing. What's nextfor get haunting? Our first official
events? The next thing on ourlist of February nineteen. Okay, I

(01:41:45):
believe we're still tickets available for thattoo. White Hill man, Um,
Dave, you've punished connect Yeah,I personally for the Facebook group one,
tickets are still available for that forWhite Hill. Yeah, it's February.
It's if anybody here is thinking aboutgoing, I'll be honest with you,

(01:42:08):
it's gonna be a little cold.It's the house was built in seventeen twenty
three before we're having ever even incountry, so it's not the best heat
that you'll ever find it. There'sa heated trailer outside. Yeah. White
Hill is a red place. Weget it amazing. I've been instead of

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been there dozens of times. I'mactually I think technically a volunteer there.
So but um, it's a greatplace with great activity. That's our first
official event. While we're doing that, um well, yeah, looking for
more places also i'll announce we're doingsomething else and we're going on to is
Yeah, I'll just say it.So so we're trying to We're not trying,

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We're ready to. We're gonna threeD scan as many of these haunted
places as we can the interiors sothat people can do virtual walkthroughs on.
Yeah. I have the gear,I have all the I have all the
technology. I have the gear weneed. We just got to get a
good day to get down and dothe first one. Um. So that's

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something we're gonna be working on toget out there. You know, I
have friends, my daughter as friends, people that are stuck in wheelchairs or
can't get out of the house whowant to see these places. And this
is about as close as you cangive it as an experience. Wow.
Um, you know, because youcan put you can put information inside of

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these three D tours. So somethingwe're gonna we're working on right now.
Um. There's a lot happening.It's like never ending. Um. And
then cool, you know, theshirts and the merch and that stuff is
starting to take off a little bit, which is nice. Um, but
it keeps me, keeps me busy, keeps me awake and well that's it.

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That's the thing. I mean,God, damn, time just blows
by like nothing, and I knowI'm behind in so many of our projects.
Good gun in it the dalting taskof the evidence review. We are
years behind that. So far behindon evidence review, it's not even funny.

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When we stayed at the Hoover House, I only just pulled everything off
my recorders a couple of days ago. I haven't even gone through it yet.
Yeah. Same, I know Igot to clear it off too,
because yeah, I will send youthat chapter. I have two. I've
got your email, so I willsend that to you this week. Yeah,
that'll be great. Here's what I'llsay. Like the Hoover House,

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man, So like when we wereup in the eaves of the house,
is that what I don't know?Yeah, yeah, yeah, I call
the walkouts? But I know we'retalking all right. So yeah, wherever
we think Arthur is or that thename, at least, I swear hand
to god it was. It's darkin there. Who's out there with Steve

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and Bill right and telling you,yeah, well yeah they stepped me in
there by myself. Yes, ButI I swear to god I saw somebody
something walk right, past me likethey're sure that's on the recording. Could
you just hear me go? Ohno, no, no, no,
all right, you gotta let meout, Let me out, because I
couldn't find aging couldn't find the friggingdoorknob or the light. Um, It's

(01:45:29):
it's like every four was something clad. It was nothing menacing. It's just
right. I turned into a chicken. Sometimes it happens. And but when
they're like in past you, Iwas like, holy crap, Uh we
have we have a ghost cad atthe Hoover House. We haven't. And
then we had people come up likein the bash last year were when they

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come out, it was brushing theminto language and stuff. Yeah, and
uh we have seen it for likethree and I'm saying, what's where's work?
Evidently it's going back to Jenny andBob's house. Oh my sister.
They was taking it back with themwhen they do one day, because that
know it's with us. I needI need to see I need to see

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that. And then Michael brings upthat rocking chair. That's where we got
We got some pretty wild EVPs onthat chair. But the front, the
front TV and just man the housetalk so both times. That was really
it's really yeah, it's available.I mean it's only three hours. First,

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what's um man February birthday. There'salso one of mean, uh we
also have April open, so thatone's like, yeah, me double check
which can she's got the master bookerthere. Um. Yeah, White Hill

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is a really special place, man. That's cool. That guy Michael that
you're talking about, that's a friendof mine that I've known since I was
saying tenth grade year of high school, so thirty plus years. He's actually
the one the picture you have ofthe Hoover House. Yeah, he took

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those pictures for us. Yeah,he's a fantastic photographer. Thank you,
Michael. So um he came upat the Lookout the old place to Lookout
house and did the photos for that, and then he came up and did
the photos we used for the HooverOh. I know, this is pretty
neat um. The Historical Society herein town. It's literally right a close

(01:47:43):
to the street and up maybe likethree or four hoomes. Okay, it's
called the Oiler House O I LE. R. And anyhow, I
volunteered there once a month, mywife and I and they gave me a
key so I can in there anddo EVPs. It's very haunted. So

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anyhow, there was the lady Iworked with. She's native here to Waynesboro,
and she had last time I workedwith her, she wanted to come
over to the Hoover House when wewere finished. She used to go in
there in the forties when the barwas downstairs, so she was trying to,
you know, place things where,and she said that like on Fridays

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and Saturdays, you couldn't even getin down there. She said, if
you weren't there by a certain time, there were no seats, so you
would have to have someone saved yourseats and all that. But that was
sort of interesting to actually talk tosomeone who remembers it, you know,
from from from that period. Sheloved the place, you know, she
really really did. But when weSteve, Pam and I and my wife,

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we'd gone over the oil House tomeet the people in the Historic Society.
Steve's walking around with his record andwe got into one loom with there's
all kinds of records and stuff.He picked up a really cool e VP
that said, oh, the Hooversare here. So I said, I'm
taking that is I'm taking that ispraise, thank you. That's awesome.

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Yeah, you know, it's justa cool place. Man. I can't
I can't wait to come back,Like I can't wait to be down in
the area Wednesday. I'm like,I wonder if I can pop out and
say hi, I hate imposing No, absolutely no, no stops and yeah,
you know, I mean absolutely no. You guys are great, love

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you. Um yeah, let uscheck make sure our schedules are free.
I mean, I know that's Kingdom'sbirthday, but should be upset. Yeah,
um, and you know, aslong as everything's open, we may
just pop over and do that WhiteHill with you guys. Yeah, that's
very cool. Hill is a lotof fun. The the first time I

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was, well, the only timeI was there, we actually had a
disembodied voice up in the attic thatwe all heard with our own ears.
Nice, I've seen it all there. I one of the very first times
I was first time I ever reallysaw like a full second time full like
apparition is. I saw this womanstanding downstairs and man it it's like and

(01:50:27):
of course my photographer was with man, he was he was doing something on
the camera looking down and I'm likeso I screamed. He almost dropped his
it was she was. It wascool man. There is the link to
anybody who wants to get tickets forthe Get Holded Networks events. Um,

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and I've already put in the Facebookgroup. Uh infill up there, so
check that out. I know comensI have to be on it. When
it said that Collette head uh putin a thing asked to join the group.
So so there, that's that's there. Um. Obviously we can't wait

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to see you guys again. Haveyou back in town get together and do
some stuff. Um and uh,I really hope it works out. We
can make it the White Hill withyou guys. That would be amazing.
Starting to get his house together here, so that's actually looking Look, I
got lines up. It's cool.People are like the people across the street.

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Can't sit on their porch and watchmy TV shows. So but thank
you guys for taking time out.It was obviously a very busy schedule and
spending it here with us tonight andhe was a real pleasure of getting to
know both to get over the house. Absolutely, yeah you guys are you
guys are let's come back. Absolutelyopen invitation whenever you're in town, pop

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going by and again and hopefully fortoo long and low half will be able
to take you up there to thetoll Gate house and another be neat to
take you in there and just seewhat you pick up. Um. You
know, once we start getting theseother locations and panel together, maybe they

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would that would be something that youcan get for them to do public events
at. Yeah, like the libraryjob might be able to provide to seven
play new location have never been doneall Virgin Territory. Here wids brow so
great, Dave. Were you inthe army? I was all right,

(01:52:40):
we'll chat out absolutely yep, threeyears after five years National Guard? What
ms I'll do this later? Sorryeveryone, good money gotcha. So well,
you guys have a safe time.I'm doing what you're doing and protect

(01:53:02):
yourselves as you know we need to. And we can't wait to talk again.
And thanks so much for coming on. Thank you guys, Thank care
guys. Thank And that was Roband Bill, Bill Bryant and Rob Stankowitz.
I'm glad I pronounced his name correctly. And the butcher of the Gethuna

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network. The new guys in town. But man, they got a plethora
of experience Um, like I said, Rob's been doing yeah, ghosting everything
for years and build builds his ownstuff and Bill's equipment. It is really
Yeah, he brought a couple piecesdown. Yeah, they're going to be
a very hot Yes, yeah,get him get it on the bottom floor.

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Check out the group page on Facebook. And I know Steve is talked
with Bill and uh he I thinkthere's several of the items that he's going
to be carrying in his stores.Okay, So definitely the ghost Gettysburg Ghosts
Exchange obviously in Gettysburg and coming soonGettysburg Ghost Exchange two right here in Waynesboro

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a couple of months yep. Sothank you to everybody who took some time
and spend with us night special Aliciawho was in I have a picture she
sent me and I have to showto you, discussed with you and get
back to our She had some questionsabout it, okay, so it's something
I have to pull up on thecomputer because it's kind of greening on a

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cell phone. So we will takecare of that tonight before Jim leaves.
Alicia, and we'll get back toas soon as we ken. Everybody else,
thank you and we will see youin two weeks. Take care,
stay well. Thank you for joiningDave and Jim on Doorway to the Dead.

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