Doorway to the Dead Episode #20

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Episode Transcript

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There are things in this world wecannot explain, something hidden just beyond our
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Would probably do it. Sorry aboutthat, folks, I had a brain
forst Welcome in it to Sunday,February sixth, six pm. I'm James.
This is Jim. We are onehalf of Keystone State Paranormal Society and
this is Doorway to the Dead.Tonight we have a return guest, a
dear friend of ours that we metthrough Um, Brian Bowden who we met

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through Cisco and Katie. Yeah,he's part of the New York Canada contingent
Um. Welcome in Michael Lack,my buddy. Um, oh yeah,
he's he's back up in Alaska fora few months visit his wife's family and
he's like he can't wait to getback. Two damn code up there.

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But without further ado, let usbring in our guests. Uh. Good
friend Alfred Santa Rigo there, Yeah, yeah, Hey fellas, how are
you good? How you been good? Good? Good? How are you
guys doing good? Excellent? Keephim warm up there. How's your daughter?
Dave's okay, yeah, yeah,she's fine. They they up term

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medication another fifties so she's on twohundred twice a day now. But we'll
see if that takes care of herthing. But right now she's doing well.
Good God. How's your back?Uh yeah, yeah, okay,
that's what happens when you get ourage, right. Oh, absolutely absolutely,

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Jim, how are you? I'mgood? I um, I've been
in for about a week and ahalf hour. Was just telling Dave I
was in some kind of funk.I don't know what it was. I
it wasn't the usual noise or thefeeling from all this political crap and everything
going on in the country. Honestly, I I think a lot of it

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might have been sort of picking upon waves with all this Ukraine crap or
what China's doing. I was alittle foreboding that something big was in the
works, you know, something thatwould have a lot of trauma. And
then just last night we had agrouping at the Hoover House and they wanted

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to do some table shipping. Strangesometimes when I needed the most to communicate
with spirit, I sometimes have areluctance to tie in the spirit, you
know what I mean. Yeah,And so we did yesterday. We had
a number of amazing sessions and Isaid, we probably were many good our

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two hours with a few breaks,some really neat sessions and really healing sessiments.
Oh my god, it was sucha relief. It's exactly what I
needed. I don't know if somethinginside was reassured or whatever, but oh
my god, I feel so muchbetter. I feel like some of that

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weight in trepidations have been lifted.Yeah. So I really feel so much
better. And then we in townhere, we had a number of people
got together and put in amaze usinghistory disc to get two hundred years of
Waynesboro. Wow. Just some amazingphotographs and the history and all that.

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So we played it at the GeneralTheater today to public come in. It
was free except I think it paida dollar for popcorn and soda, you
know. And it was really touching, I mean, and a lot of
stuff was really speaking through that.So Steve's going to have that. We
have we have the disc and whenhe opens up the Tollgate House we're going

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to have that playing this. Thosepeople come in, they're you know,
we've got a number of historic photosof his wife's Some of my wife's relatives
were very key, you know forcloth industries. They got early photos of
them. Um a week ago Sunday, a matter of fact, I'm a

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volunteer with the Waynesboro Historic Society.I volunteer a day a week. And
we had redone some chairs for himas a gift from the Hoover House.
So we took him up and Steve, Pam, my sister, you met,
and Bob and myself, the fiveof us were in there. He

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took the fasten the box broke outan EVP session. Yes, and while
we were there, we had meantto take a table with us, but
for good but we found a smalllittle elliptical table in one of the parlors,
so Steve took the doiley off webrought it in. The house is

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known as the Oiler House O.I L E. R. And it's
wide across the street and up maybethree or four doors, so it's very
closed. And the one there wasa lady the first point Schild. The
house was built early eighteen nineties.The first point schilder of the house was
this particular woman in eighteen ninety five, and her first name as Oil is

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spelled backwards, so it's r.E. L im Man. She came
through in Spain. She lived therea whole life, bequeathed the home to
a lady who's a volunteer there now, who then bequeathed it to the town
as the historical society. Beautiful threestory house, tons of historic documents,

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photos, items, And when wefirst went in the house introducing ourselves,
we got an e VP of aspirit saying, oh, it's the Hoovers.
And so she came through and shetold her she was the one who

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said that. Very nice. Shehad a delightful she had a wonderful lady.
She never married. She used togive free music lessons to the children
of the town to enhance their appreciationand use it. Just a sweet ladies.
He came through. She was holdingthe house had been maintained as a

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residence, you know, as opposeda museum or that. But we just
had to night we were there.She was telling us there were twelve other
spirits president wow, some grandchildren.So we're hopeful that going forward we'll have
maybe two three times a year.That house available for investigations for the public

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to raise some funds to help maintain. And then we're going to have the
Tollgate House coming online, probably hopefullyas early as April. And the old
log Cabin which was our built ina seventeen seventies and was the first church

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and the first school of Waynesboro intothe early eighteen hundred. So you guys
are buying the whole town. Isthat what's going on? Yeah, So
that will be part of the HooverHouse package going forward. Wow. And
the cemetery sits about fifty yards andback of the Gatehouse in the middle of

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a beautiful cemetery there in town.So and we've already been told by spirits
that both of those have spirits ofthe residents as well as from the cemetery,
but nothing malicious there, just wewe we've been told there's a whole
lot of communication that wants to godown. Wow. That's great. So

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I think this will be a reallyneat we have Obviously we have somebody on
the other side covering our back andwatching things on and the especial experiences are
on an ongoing basis. That's amazing. So house, Pam and Steve and
your sister and Bob, everyone doingwell. I mean, my sister and

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Bob did have the COVID dysamicron,but they were just down a couple of
days. For them, it wasall in real bad sign us like Robert
Cement. So they got over that. Pam, Steve, myself, we
have we've been spared and we've gotwe We actually through one of the school

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systems here. We purchased an oldbus which accommodates ten people and has handicapped
whips, and so we will bestarting. My guess is Bobby Early May
the Ghosts, Ghosts and History ofwaynesborog a driving tour, stopping at several

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sites, and we've already had asmany as five retail establishments with spirits interested
in coming on board. Jesus man, you guys are unbelievable. Who's going
to do all this work? Who'sgoing to run all these houses? We're
going to drive, But I thinkif it takes off as well, I
think we're gonna I think we're gonnawind up having to get some help.

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Yeah, I mean obviously using mein the new store in town, and
then I went toward Yeah, bro, my oldest daughters just turned fifteen,
so she's soon coming up with theage where she can go get a job.
So we have a re an actorand his wife. They're both interested
in doing the ghost tours and youknow, saying, so we've got we've

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got the materials. There was aghost and history tour here about fifteen years
ago. Oh wow, and theguy's up in his ears now, he
just can't do it. So hegave us all of his materials and we've
been working and expounding on them.And you know, we had several Indian
master creves here, you know,riding the vicinity. This was in the

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day like seventeen seventies, like seventeensixties. Um, this was the edge
of the frontier. Yeah, absolutelysure. So yeah we're really Um,
I just took my health holds upand my physicality. Yeah, n come
one, absolutely yeah. Yeah.So I just I just want to show

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you guys something that my crazy partnerput together for me. The squatch Father
dolls. It's a little teddy bear. He calls it closed the squatch Father.
Brian out of his mind, youknow, but yeah, we gotta

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love me. Yeah, Brian putthat together for me. Caused me up
when Day says, you got somethingcoming in the mail, let me know
when you got it. And whenI opened it up, I just started
laughing. I go, what thehell is it? He goes, it's
a squatch father, and he said, actually, Brian said, Jim has
been having the same feelings and dreamsexperiences. Text you with a bit Oh

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wow, and I hear, congratulationsare in order on your retirement. Oh
hallelujah. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, thirty two years is long enough,
brother, You know what I mean? Yeah, Who's who's gonna take over
the uh the building by the parkNow? I have no idea. I

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don't even care, No, Icould care less. Hopefully somebody closing in.
But um yeah, no, Imean, you know, so I
got I got things planned. I'mgonna I'm gonna, you know, maybe
I'm gonna take a month off andthen I'm gonna go back to work,
and when I do, I'll announcewhat's what I'm doing gonna do. But

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you know, right now, keepingit on the wraps. But I can't
sit around do nothing all the time, you know what I mean? Yeah,
you know, you know a reality. I mean I used to work
two tweet jobs and all this crash. I'll tell you, your day gets
filled up. You don't know wherethe hell it wins. No, yeah,
no, I like to stay busy, you know what I mean.

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So, um, right now it'sstill brand new. I'm taking I'm taking
it and taking it easy. I'mjust chilling out. But um yeah,
like I said, maybe in amonth from now, well, well I'll
get the wheels rolling on the nextchapter, you know what I mean.
And see what that takes me happy? Trying upstage Brady on his announcement,

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Now get up, get up stagethe goat, no way escape. You
believe me. They were happy toget rid of me. Man. You
know I first thoughted I wasn't theguy most likely to come in with a
machine gonna kill everybody, you know, Postman, that's not most likely to

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go postal. You know, wehaven't had that in a while. Remember
when we're having an outbreak of postaldisease. And yeah, because all the
all the regular carriers are retiring andit's just filling those voids. But part
timers and those guys don't last morethan a month, so they never get
that's stressed out, you know whatI mean. Plus they Hold, they

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hold the part timers, uh alot less accountable than they do the career
employees. You know what I mean, there's more pressure on the career employees.
But is that I mean because myand and uncle was in the spent
his whole career with the post officausehe was an inspector. Oh nice,

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And I mean that was always considereda really good job. I mean,
does that still there's there's being there'sworking for the postal. They don't carry
after after cheers and Steinfeld all fuddyrespects to mailman anymore. Now we got

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a bad rap, you know whatI mean? Hold, you remember the
Cranmer one where they knew man andthey had to bucket on his head.
Absolutely, yeah, Now, Imean you know it's it's it's it's not
considered a good civil service and ajob anymore, you know what I mean?

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Just too many bad, bad situations, too much bad press, you
know that. I think unfortunately that'sjust true of a lot of government.
John's right now. Yeah, Iwouldn't want to be a police officer right
now, that's for sure. Yeah, absolutely not. Don't have a couple
of friends that are hold that line. But oh my god, Yeah,

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Um, so as far as theGreater New York area, what is going
on one up there in the paranormalcryptod slash UFO scenes. Um well,
um, you know, I gottabe honest with you. The COVID and
the weather has kept us in recently, we haven't gotten but um, a

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couple of weeks ago, Brian andI we were going down to the range
to shoot, and um, wegot to the range and the range was
closed, and you know, it'slike, I don't know. I'm talking
to the girl at the window andI'm like, I checked them. The
checked the site and the site saidit was open, and she said,
you had a website is outdated.Now we're closed for the season now.

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So Brian's like, well, whatdo you want to do? And I
was like, well, we gottwo huge state parks on either side of
us. Um, why don't wedo a little squatch and see what happens,
you know what I mean? AndBrian's like okay. So we went
to the one that was closest tous and just just casually roamed roamed the

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the woods, you know, likethey have tracks where people running everything,
you know, pads and stuff,and we was just kind of staying out
on the path, and man,we found so much stuff between bends and
breaks and arches and eggs and theselittle stone carns that were built like all

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in a row leading down into theswamp. And I had my I had
my army boots one because the rangersoutside, so I was dressed for the
weather. Brian had a brand newpair of sneakers, the white sneakers,
like two hundred dollars because I can'tgo off off track. And I was
like, oh, I'm going,I'm being pulled this way. And I
was being pulled and I found thisarea that was very weird. There was

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a break over it that pointed rightdown and below it it was cleared out,
like all the leaflet was cleaned out, and it didn't make any sense.
And then we noticed that there wasanother break at the other tree pointing
down to it. And then whenwe started to examine it, we actually
found two footprints. We found ahuge fifteen ft fifteen inch footprint and then

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right next to it we found likea twelve inch or maybe ten inch footprint,
like smaller one. So I'm tellingBrian, I'm like, Brian,
you gotta see this, you know, he's like freaking out. So he's
like, oh, help my sneakers, I'm coming in, you know.
And he came in and he's gotthat lightar on his phone, so he
took pictures. I mean, weboth took pictures of it, but he
was able to get that lightar onit, you know, and he took

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some pictures of that. And thenm and there was a firebreak whether they
had plowed a break for a caseof a fire. And I found another
footprint on the fire in the firebreakthat had to be seventeen eighteen inches long,
so it must have been must havebeen big Daddy ahead of MoMA and
the baby. And then we werewalking, you know. We spent a
lot of hours just walking around.And the park was so big that we

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basically only covered like one percent ofit. And the state park, yeah
it's a state park, you know, and don't usually do state parks or
federal parks anywhere. Ever since I'vebeen warned by the men in black to
stay out of him, you knowwhat I mean. But we were just
casually, you know. Um,it was a plan B. So it

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was hell with it. You know. The park was closed anyway for the
winter, not that it was closed, but there was nobody in it.
And I found we found then Inoticed that there was um like a water
water waterway, like what where waterwould come off the top of the mountain
run across the road. And Isaid to Brian and said, looked all

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that in there at one point musthave been all swamped, because you could
see the runoff where the water ran, you know. And I said,
I don't know, I'm being pulledin this way. So I started walking
in that way and again on thatside of the outside of the road,
exus and arches and the and thearches. The way they in them down
with other trees is incredible. Justthe the engineering that goes into it is

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mind boggling. And then we foundlike all these little stone carrons and they
all started leading down into the swamp. And you know, you know,
you know that there's no human walkingdown into the swamp making these little stone
figurines, you know. And itwas a very successful plan. B You
know, of course we would haverather shot all day, but you know,

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it is what it is, andit was very very enlightening. And
you know, like I said,we didn't even go down to the back
end of the park where like nobodygoes. We were like in the front
end of the park where people picnicand everything, because the back end of
the park is a just a giantlake back there, and it's all woods

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and it's like no picnic area,there's no hiking trails. And I told
Brian, I want to where Iwant to go next time. I want
to go back there, you know, and He's like, yeah, absolutely,
And you know, basically it wasa plan B. But we got
we found tons and tons of evidence, tons of evidence, and you know,
we're both getting reports from people fromother people we know that go to

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these parks and walk their dogs andthey're seeing all kinds of stuff in the
woods, you know, eight footshadows going from tree to tree the dog.
One minute the dogs bark and thenext minute the dogs is scared for
its life. I had a someonecontact me and said they've actually seen a
wolf in the park, you know, so it was like the biggest wolf

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they ever seen, you know,And I was like, sure it was
a wolf, you know, Imean, I know, we got quit
dogs and quoite wolves and you know, they get as big as German shippers.
And but the crazy thing about itis that this person told me it
was laying down on a hill likelooking down at this person and her friend

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walking their dogs, and it didn'trun when they seen the other dogs.
It didn't bark, it didn't move. And the crazy thing she said that
it, um, it was allby itself, which made no sense to
me, you know what I mean, because this is a pack animal unless

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you know, it's a long wolfthat got driven out of a pack.
But the way they explained it tome, it was so big that it
should have been the alphae, youknow, and not you know, not
the omega, but it was,you know. And I said to Brian,
we got to get in there.And you know, Brian got another
report of a sasquatch type creature downin the city of all places, in

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the Bronx Vancultland Park in the Bronxcoming over just underneath underneath the Thruway that
leads to the city of Yonkers,and there's another big park and on the
other side of that park it's calledTibbitts Brook Park. And then somebody was
in there, um hanging out youknow, at night whenever it's supposed to

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be there and having a few beersor whatever with their girlfriend, are fooling
around whatever they were doing, andthey said they heard a screen and this
eight foot giant shadow stepped out fromand threw a log at them. They
said it looked like a telephone polethat was cut into pieces and threw it

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at their car, and they said, okay, it's time to get at
it, Dodge, now, youknow what I mean. Yeah, So,
I mean we you know, likeI said, we were, Um,
we're trying to get to these places. You know, it's scheduling as
a nightmare. You guys know whatthat's all about. And um, so
it's just as soon as we getwe can get our schedule coordinated. And

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maybe now we have like six inchesof ice out on us out in the
woods. You know, we hadthis huge ice storm come through over the
weekend and some mess, just thelittle mess, and there's no way I'm
gonna go trump and through the woods. Well you know, three three or
four inches of ice underneath my feetjust too dangerous, you know. But

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um, I haven't done any really, we haven't really done any ghost stuff
in a while, you know whatI mean. So, um, COVID's
really sort of knocked a lot ofthings all. Yeah, and you guys,
you're still pretty things are still prettytight up there. Isn't oh this
is it's a night It's a nightmareup here. Nightmare, literally a nightmare

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up here. Yeah. We werehearing from our guests this weekend who were
from the Philadelphia area because the manhere is you really wouldn't know. I
mean, you'll you'll see a personhere or there wear a mask, but
generally you don't be mask. Youdon't. There's really nothing. We're just
sort of open. We just right, we're done with it, you know.

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Yeah, But we were talking toour guests from filling and it's all
locked down. You just can't youknow, it's like ridiculous passports. You
gotta show you got I said,damn, I wouldn't even think it was
the same state to hear now,you know what, in the same thing
up here where I live, Ilive up in the country. Um our

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County executive said he's not going toabide by the governor's mandates because they're not
law. And he says he's justnot gonna bide by himself up here where
I'm at, you know, umin the in the mid Hudson valley,
it's a lot looser and laxer,you know what I mean. But once
you get closer to the city.Closer you get to the city, the

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more insane it becomes. Yeah.Yeah, I'm not really trusted by your
governor. No, yeah, Idon't think anybody is yet. Um and
I know we talked about this Hitlankthe first time I do on the show.
But um, as far as investigationsgo, does anybody investigating unto my

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Park across the street there or isthat still one of those when the lights
go down everybody just kind of clearsout because they don't know what is going
on? Another? Um? No, they invested millions and millions of dollars
into the park and they did anamazing job, they really did. Um.
Um, there aren't anybody, notnot that I know. No,

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you know, um, nobody's gettingin there anymore unless you get into the
back the back door, you know. I mean you can still get into
the back door. But m asfar as like just being able to walk
through the front gates. Um,now there's there's like security now and everything.
But um um, we did aninvestigation literally a building that was right

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behind unto myers. You know.Um it was built in the woods.
It looked like at one point itwas a carriage house or something to either
do with the main mansion of theof the park or um there was also
there also there was a big schoolup on top of the hill at one
point too. Maybe had something todo with the school. Not really sure,

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but um, we were we werewe went to investigate that there and
uh um Katie actually read it forus and she said, you know,
do um one of those UM woulddo one of those experiments where somebody sits
there with the headphones and the andthe and the blinders on, would listening

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to a spear boss while somebody's inthe next room asking questions. And we
got a lot, we got alot of We got a lot. I
don't know what Brian was saying,but we got I got a lot of
I got a lot of it.At one point and even said Katie and
I'm sure they were talking about youknow our girl, you know, and
we um, we we did some. Uh, we we got some.

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We did get some like stuff onthe the SLS camera. We got some
images on the SLS camera. Wedid get some hits on a lot of
a lot of we got a lotof hits in the place with a lot
of stuff. Oh but the greatestthing, the best thing that happened.
But then Brian did the experiment.I went in the other room and he

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got some stuff and there was alot of on the ghost radar. There
was a lot of stuff going onaround us. And you could, you
know, you could, you werewe were getting touched while we were in
there and everything. But I believeit was Katie who said the person who
runs it, she said it wasit was a barn or a carriage house

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or something to that effect. Shesaid there was gonna be a little kid
in there. We did get alittle kid voice on an EVP, and
we did get a little boy.We got a name of Billy and then
um. But Katie said that theguy who runs it, the foreman or
whatever lights tobacco. Bring cigarettes.We brought some cigarettes and Brian lit one

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up and we put it and wefilmed it and we said, okay,
you know this is for you,enjoy the cigarette. And we got a
video of an visible entity smoking acigarette, which blew both of us away.
We were like, oh my god, we were bouncing off the wall.
Once we've seen that. You know. Brian's like, you're getting it.
I go, yeah, I'm gettingit. I'm getting it, you

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know. And we left more cigarettesand matches for him too, you know.
And uh, it was great becausewhen we first got in there,
you could feel like there was anegative entity in there, you know what
I mean, like somebody was watchingyou and like what you And then after
we did the thing with the cigarette, the whole vibe of the place changed.

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It was like, hey, kameil, let me show you this.
And then they brought us upstairs wherethere was where there was we didn't even
know there was an upstairs. Wewalked around the back of the building there
was an upstairs where there was afire, and uh, you know,
and and it was telling us likeon the on the ghost radar and the
spirit box is saying, don't goin this this room. This room is

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really really dark, don't go inthis room. But these rooms are okay
to go in and investigate, youknow, all kinds of stuff. And
we we did a little digging inthe dirt, and uh, I don't
know if we we left something behind, some kind of gift. I forgot
what we did. I know wedug we dug a hole in the dirt.
But I don't remember what we whatwe what we put there, what

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we left. I think it wasa stone or something, But um,
yeah, I know it was.It was an interesting time considering we didn't
know what we were getting into.We didn't know if it was actually belonged
to the mansion up on top ofthe hill that belonged to the Antimize,
or if it belonged to the tothe school there was this giant college up
on top of the hill at onetime too, if it had something to

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do with the college, because it'slike right in the woods behind both of
them, you know what I mean. And we could really find any history
on it, which was very verystrange, like somebody built this building,
and somebody took care of this building, and if somebody paid taxes on this
building, so it should belong tosomebody, you know, somewhere somewhere.

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There had to be something about it. But um, you know, because
I I when I used to passit when I worked in that area,
I used to pass it. Tome, it just looked like something that
the city owned, you know,like a city owned building. You know,
maybe they stored stuff in there,and stuff like that, but um
apparently it wasn't at the back endwas was the stables and the barns,

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and the front end was I guesswe should have been added on earlier later
like in the seventies, and thecity was using the front end for storage.
But it was a combination of both. But it was a very very
strange place. And uh yeah,we got some great stuff there, great
stuff there, you know. AndI wanted to go store to um AUNTI

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Meyers, but I forgot what happened, but we never ended up getting there.
You and I said we should gowhere right here? All we have
to do is cross this one littlestreet and you know, we're in those
woods right there, you know,on the other side. And uh an,
if Brian had to leave early orwhatever, and I said, okay,
you know, the hell would it. Let's just go man, we

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Bilt. But you know, butaunto Myers is you like I said there,
they really spent a lot of moneyfixing it up. And really,
um so now they have like policepatrols and stuff like that. You know,
it's not as bad as it wasback in the day. Yeah,
you mentioned about Katie. Is Katiefully recovered now from when she had to

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go. Um, last time Ispoke to her, she didn't mention anything
to me about still suffering from anyill effects. So I'm not sure,
you know, I really I'm reallynot sure. I don't want to speak
for her, but um, yeah, I spoke to her yesterday about something
I don't remember. But but yback with the horses and all that getting

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around, so I figured she gotto be feeling much better. Yeah,
I would imagine. Yeah, Iseen a lot of pictures of her.
What theres is out on the corralsand stuff. Yeah, I M just
one lady. Were good friends withHolly from up in Kane, Pennsylvania.

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She was telling me something interesting yesterdayand I wanted by Steve. I hadn't
heard of this before, but heverified he'd heard of it. Evidently in
the town of Kane, there's somethere's some places where if you look at
their home and it's pretty obvious thatin between various homes there used to be

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a residence or a lot there.But you know, whatever home or whatever
was on it, he's gone andfor whatever reason, they haven't rebuilt,
you know, or a home.And she said, you'll see that,
and I guess she was researching itout and come to find out they were
homes and over the years there havebeen a fire at that home and a

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child died as a result of thefire, and for some leason, I
don't know, superstition or whatever,they just won't rebuild there. Wow,
I've never heard of that before,but evidently in some locations that was the

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case. I just never heard ofthat before. Yeah, No, I
mean, I don't know, I'venever heard it. I guess it would
depend on the religious beliefs of thepeople in the area. Yeah. I
remember one time I was in theVirginia City areas of Nevada, the arena

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in that area, and in theday, like the eighteen eighteen eighteen nineties,
Virginia City was a real happening place. You know, the notables of
the time, the US Grants,Mark Queen, those those kind of famous
people. They often went there.That's why they had that Millionaires club with

(36:19):
the gambling and and it evidently hadthree or four opera houses and I think
four or five five star hotels.And our local took me this one area
where it was obviously a huge structurehad been there, the foundation in terms

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of the rocks or the building wasstill present, but that was it,
you know, there was nothing elsebuilt there. And she informed me that
I guess in that period there'd beena major fire and a number of people
were killed as a result of thefire. So I was here just taking
pictures whatever. And later when I'mback and going through all my stuff,

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oh my god, I get thispicture and it's the building. It was
like all hazy and it wasn't infocus, but I mean there was this
large structure there that my camera catchyou. And I was like, what
the hell? And you know,she said, we were just theorizing about

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that that while you know, thinkof the ghost ships that are often seen
on the seas were in an inanimateobject. But I'm just thinking with the
human trauma and the loss of soulsor whatever as a result of a catastrophe,
if that might leave some kind ofpsychic infant or residual energy that it's

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the conditions are right, you cansometimes capture. Yeah. Absolutely. As
a matter of fact, Brian andI we had a long discussion the other
day about cameras and everything, youknow, because I got this new camera
that films and uh infrasound and everythingyou know, and records infrasound, and

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I was telling Brian, is,Yeah, I'm so tired of all these
digital digital blob squatches and all that. You know, when you when you
enlarge those digital all you get allthis crazy stuff. I said, I
think I'm going back to all theold ways with thirty five millimeter in film,

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and I think I'm going back topolaroids. I said, this way,
whatever you get on the negative,you get, and there's no mistake
in it, and there's no argumentabout it. Because you know, everybody
seeing stuff of Paradolia, they makestuff up because they see it because all
the the digital effect and everything.And I'm just so tired of it now,

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you know what I mean. I'mjust like I'm done. I think
I'm done with digital. I toall them. You know that picture I
alluded to with the building that wasshot with an old camera, you know,
with the film and a negative.Yeah, yeah, yeah, Sometimes
it's just the economics of it all, you know that gets a little price.

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Yet I think a lot of ushave had to go to the digital.
But I agree with you, yeah, just you know, I always
did stuff old school, new school. I love going old school new school
on all and I believe as muchevidence we get with all the high tech
technologies equipment we have nowadays, right, I get the same results with the

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old school stuff that's so low techit's ridiculous. And yet I get the
same kind of results, you knowwhat I mean. And it's just but
you know, like I'm so,I'm so tired of fighting people with that
paradolia effect with the digital cameras,you know, I mean, I get

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it. You take the picture,you can look at it right then and
there. It's a beautiful thing,you know, But then once you start
blowing that thing up, you putit on a sixty inch TV, and
you're seeing all kinds of stuff that'sjust not there, you know. And
I said, I felt, Brian. I went and I checked around and
found the store that still develops thirtyfive millimeter. You know, I could

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still order it the film online.I said, I'm going back to the
old school ways I took when Iwas going to school for photography, and
and that's all we used for thirtyfive millimeter back in the day. A
and I was going up to Stateon the weekends to hang out with my

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friends and my girlfriends. They hadup in the Catskill Mountains. We would
you know, we wouldn't pass bythese old burnt out resorts from the fifties,
you know. Um, one timewe decided to go in and check
it out, you know. Andwe went in and we went in and
there wasn't much left of the buildingstanding, you know, from the fire,

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because they're all made out of wood, you know. And I took
a picture of something. Something justsaid take a picture of the stairwell.
And I took a picture of thestairwell, and there was this little girl
in a nightgown leading between the bars, just looking down at me, you
know, And it was there onthe It wasn't there when I took the

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picture. I didn't see either ofyou find it. But when I developed
that film, it was there.And when I showed everybody that was with
me that night, everybody freaked out, you know, and I hadn't even
freaked me out, you know.So what I did was I got the
negative and I got the photo,and I put in a little box.
And the next weekend we went upto check this girl's house to hang out

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and party and everything. We stoppedthere and I dug a little hole and
me like a little grave and Isaid, I said, everything on fire
and I buried the ashes and playinga little cross and I was like,
you know, this is you belonghere, this is where you're supposed to
be. And I left her there, you know what I mean. So,

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but there's when you get that,when you get that in the on
the Dirty Five moment the camera,you get that on the film. There's
no mistake in it, you knowwhat I mean. There's it is what
it is. You can see itplaying its day. There's no there's no
effect and no kind of effects thatcan be possibly going to be. It's

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either there or it's not, youknow. Yeah, And that happened to
me twice. And the first timewas that time with the little girl up
in the Catskills, and then thesecond time we went to um. One
of my good friends I'll call himHank. He was going to school in

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Connecticut for auto mechanics, you knowwhat I mean. He was always a
car guy, like you know,Barracouta and everything, and h and his
roommy was was a kid from northernConnecticut and the kid like lived up in
the Perkshire Mountains, you know,And he was telling us about this house
giant mansion that's built in the middleof the woods. Nobody goes there.

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It's haunted as hell. And tothis little creepy, creepy little town,
you know, and and then heyou guys got to come up, you
got to investigate. So we said, I think it was like over Thankgiving
holiday. So we drove up me, Hank and my other friend and we
went up there. We met thiskid in this little town and it was

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weird town. It's like you comeoff the main road and you're going onto
this little dirt road and you endup in this little town in the middle
of nowhere. And we're in thistown and we go to the diner to
wait for wait for my friend,Hank's buddy, and the sheriff comes over
to us and he's asking us whatwe're doing and everything, you know,

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and we explained to him we're waitingfor somebody. And we go into this
We go to this mansion in themiddle of the woods and h to get
to the house. The driveway waslike a quarter mile long, you know.
And we get to the house andwe get in there and I stepped

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in the floyer and the floyer washuge. It had this grand staircase and
everything. And I took some picturesand it was there was there was like
marble stas shoes and marble floors andyou know, crystal chandeliers, and I
mean place was beautiful. And Ijust got a bad vibe, you know,

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something said, don't you know what, maybe you shouldn't go in this
house, you know. So whatI did was I started working the outskirts
of the house and the property,and I was walking around the property taking
pictures of every angle of the house. And I was in the backyard taking

(45:25):
photographs of the house. They hadthis giant Olympic swimming pool, they had
a beach, they had a boathouse, and I was I was taking
pictures of the back of the house. And then it started to get dark
and it really got creepy, andI told my friends, was so listen,
I'm not going in. I gota bad vibe about this joint.
You know, I'm not going in. And I gave my friends the cameras

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and I had two thirty five millimeters. It gave one to each and my
one friend ed he was he wentupstairs and uh, he was upstairs on
the balcony and he was going fromroom room taking pictures and doing EVPs with
the old fashioned recorder that you hadto press down and everything, you know,
the magnetic strips and every dingy.And he was doing EVPs upstairs,

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and Hank was downstairs, and theroom downstairs was insane. It opened up.
It must have been like I thinkthey called it the game room,
because it opened up like a billiardroom or something like that. Game and
it was huge, and it hadall of his weird stuff, and it
like stuff you would think were likehad to do with deep dark dark entities

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and stuff like that, just creepystuff red and black and statues and and
there was there was a mantle inthe front like a like a like a
church, and those guys were inthere taking pictures and stuff at night.
And I was sitting in the carwaiting. I said, yeah, I

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got a not going in this place, man, you know, something telling
me not to go in. Andthey were in there, they were going,
they were in the end, andall of a sudden, I heard
Hank screaming and I heard Edge screaming, and they both came flying out the
front doors, and like, I'mlike, what's going on? What's going
on? And he's like Ed said, something grabbed him, literally grabbed him

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and threw him down the giant staircase. And when I tell you, the
staircase was huge. It was eightto ten feet wide. And something threw
him down the staircase. And Hank, who was downstairs in that game room,
said he felt like he was beinggrabbed by three or four people,

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and they were like, he feltlike he was being dragged to the altar.
He was going to be sacrificed orsomething. And he came charging out,
and you know, we jumped intoBarracuda and we hit the we hit
the ground run, and we drovethrough that town at one hundred miles an
hour, got back on the throway, headed back to New York. And

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when I developed the pictures in schoolthe following week, um, you know,
there was really you know, therewas there was really nothing in any
of the photographs. There wasn't anyorbs, there wasn't any smoke, there
wasn't there wasn't any shadows, Therewasn't any any anything in any of the
photographs that they took inside the house. You know. But the one photograph
I took from the back yard,looking up, you could see like a

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dark figure in the window looking atback at me, and it almost to
me it looked like a woman inmorning dressed in black, you know.
And and that was the only picturethat we got from that from that investigation
that um but I remember on thetape, we got some crazy stuff like
get out, you know, oryou know, like being threatened, you

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know what I mean, get outor we'll kill you and you just crazy
stuff. And I were like,look, you know, nobody wanted to
hold. Everybody gave it to me, you know what I mean. I'm
like, oh, man, Ireally don't want this stuff either, you
know. And but I think Ieventually I went to a cemetery and again

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the photograph I burnt and hit itwith some holy water and everything, and
and the tapes I just threw out. And I didn't want those things.
I didn't want to bring anything tomy house, you know. So but
this place was so strange when Iwhen I tell you, it looked like
this giant mansion in the middle ofthe woods that people just drove away from

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and left everything. And the crazything to me, and I don't know,
maybe it was just me a kidgrowing up in the city. Is
that nobody went there and vandalized theplace. Nobody took anything. There was
no spray paint on the wall,you know what I mean, Like I'm
one of the local kids hanging outthere. That's a great place to go

(49:58):
and party, you know what Imean. If it's raining, if it's
gold, you close the doors,you start one of the fireplaces up,
and you relax and you chill out. But nobody hung out there, nobody,
And it was just like that wasn'tthe biggest thing that that I got
out of It is like, man, all this stuff in here is worth
a fortune and nobody's taken it,and there's no spray paint anywhere, you

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know, And I think there wasa reason for it. I can't hear
you guys. One of our guestsis asking, how do you feel about
thermal footage? Did you ever messedwith that? I love thermal footage,
absolutely love it to get Yeah.Absolutely. I mean we got some we

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got some incredible stuff on thermal too. But you know what, even thermal
footage sometimes doesn't produce what you thinkyou would produce. You know, we
were we did an investigation where wewere in the woods, Okay, and
we had a thermal imager a fullspectrum and I our camera and a LOWLI

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camera all going at the same time, and we had something come up to
us and whoop three times. Thatjust shook the ground and pounded our chest,
and we turned all those cameras inthe direction of where the whoop was.
We were up on a ridge andthis came down from the We came

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up from the swamp. But weheard the creature walk over to us through
the woods because I had a parabolicmic and I love a parabolic mic tool
again, that's another one of myfavorite tools. And we couldn't see it.
We couldn't see it on any spectrumof light that we had. And
you know, I don't know whywe could see. I mean, unless

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it was standing behind a giant rockor a giant tree that it was covering
all of its body heat. Thecreature was there, you know, it
was fifty feet away from us.It whooped three times. I mean the
ground vibrated, the vibration went rightup through your body. There was no
mistake in what we were dealing with. But it wasn't in any of the

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spectrums of light we were filming in. And I was talking to another researcher,
another woman who has the podcast herself, and she had she had a
guest on as part of her teamwhere these people were out squatching one night.
Listened to this great story. Theywere out squatching one night and in

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the middle of a field a blackbox showed up. They didn't know what
it was. They filmed it inthermal and it was lit up white hot.
So two of their members of theirteam walked out to this black box
that was darker than the dark thedarkness. Walked out to this black box

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and literally stepped into it. Andthe minute they stepped into this black box,
and again, I don't know whatit was. They don't even know
what it was. You know,their thermal, their body dermal image went
away just invisible. You couldn't seehim inside the black box. It was

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like they didn't give off any bodyheat. But they were still in communication
with a two way radio and theytold them to step back out because they
freaked out all of a sudden totheir members walk into this they don't know
if it's I don't know if it'san alien craft or an interdimensional doorway or
what it was. And yeah,and they stepped in and all of the

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cameras they had going. They thoughtfor sure the thermal would be the one
to keep them in. Say,as soon as they stepped into this box,
their thermal image of them went away, and they called them out on
the on the two way radio,and when they came back out, their
body heat was right there again.Like whatever this thing was, it's just

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it's just engulfed their thermal, theirdermal image. You couldn't see them.
So, I mean, I thinkthere are different spectrums of light that things
come in and out of. Andyou know, I don't think we know.
We don't, we're not, butwe don't have the technology the government
has, so we don't see everythingaround us like they do. I think

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there are some there are some morestuff around us than we know. We
just don't see it because it's indifferent spectrums of light. You know,
think back to physics when you're dealingwith light. And one thing that don't
used to always I don't know,for some reason, my mind always had
a trouble with it was if youshow an image into a mirror on the

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other side of that new again anequivalent standard, you have what's known is
a true image. Now that imageisn't conveyed because it's blocked by the mirror.
But by the laws of physics,you have a creation of a true
image. And I've often thought,you know, along those things and with

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the science, the physical science oflight, who knows, you know,
because we we I know, we'vegot a lot of weird stuff out of
mirrors. That's a whole other topic. Yeah, you know, I don't
really like to play with mirrors.To be protally honest with you, every
now and then occasionally I'll get I'llget the nerve up to take photographs into

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them. You know, I've neverseen anything come out of any of my
photographs, but mirrors, for somereason, they just freaked me out.
They just freaked me out. Idon't know why. I've never had a
been experienced, but it's just Idon't know, it's just an energy off
of them that just freaks me out. We had an old picture with it,

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won't check knowlogies, and of coursewe were like a lot of groups.
If you've been at this a while, you've probably got a lot of
evidence and stuff that you can't bringback anymore because the technologies passed your by.
You don't have one of laws yeah, digital, But I remember we
once got a photograph of a mirrorand it was like part of the arm

(56:23):
coming out of the mirrors, Likeour interests are so coming out of the
mirror. That's crazy. I dohave a profound respect for mirrors stuff.
And if you know, if youget into some of the Eastern cultures and
then Sway and all those kind ofthings, there there is a profound respect.

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Well just look how much they wereused term of the Sentry and the
spiritualist movement with the psychomantheums. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I
mean, you know, it doesn'tmatter what um continent you come from or
what time frame you're talking about.Mirrors were always used in some kind of

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rituals for stuff, you know.I mean, it was always tough with
covered the mirror when somebody dies,you know what I mean, don't don't
face. Don't face two mirrors andagainst one another, you create a portal.
I mean, just all kinds ofstuff. You know. One of
our users has or one of ourviewers has a question. But before I

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get to their as, I hadone for you back on the subject of
squatching and sasquatch, big foot,whatever you want to refer to him as
depending on where you're coming from.Um, you know, you get these
like you were tolling us a storyabout the footprints in the state park and
these type of things. But howoften do you get these what I would

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consider probably more rare piece of evidencesuch as scat or tufts of hair that
you find that you can't um giveto any known animal that would be in
that area. Yeah, it depends. It depends on what you find,

(58:13):
you know what I mean. Ithink if you look hard enough, or
if you have a gifting area,you know what I mean, you could
set something up like I have agifting area. Okay I have. We
have like five hours. It's like, I don't even I will tracked.
But what I did one of thegifting areas is you know that six sticky
stuff that they put in the storesthey catch the flies it's time. Well,

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I've tied a couple of them tothe trees that lead back and forth
to the gifting spot, you know, to try to try to get some
hair, you know, And Iget a lot of hair, but most
of the time it's deer, raccoonor skunk or something like that, or

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squirrel. Um, that's a goodidea. Yeah, No, I'm gonna
keep trying, you know what Imean, because sooner or later, I
mean, we're having interactions, we'regifting, we're regifting when all kinds of
stuff is going on. So theso the creatures are definitely coming in and
um interacting with us. I justhaven't gotten lucky enough to have one of

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them turn around and having get stuckto its hair or his shoulder or something.
You know. Um, we foundscat before. We have found scat
before, but when we found it, it was early on and we didn't
know of any place where we couldgo to get it tested, you know
what I mean, So we justleft it where it was. Um.

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But yeah, I mean, youknow, there are techniques you can use
to get the if you if youif you come across again or a structure
that they've been using, whether there'sjust sleeping in it as they're going through,
or maybe they're they're betting down therefor a couple of days or whatever.
You could go in and you know, people have people believe me,

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There are tons of researchers out therewith tons of DNA evidence, tons of
it, you know what I mean, a lot of people don't talk about
it because they don't want to havethe men in black show up at their
house. You know what I mean, every day is done down the I
mean, if you're a researcher andyou know every we were all. You
know, it's a small community.Everybody knows everybody else. You get word

(01:00:30):
of mouth to the grapevine. Youknow, hey, did you hear with
this one? God, they foundthis here, they found that there.
But you know, it's all aboutresearching and finding those finding those dens,
you know, and creating those giftingareas. I don't gift food. I

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don't believe in gifting food. Igift everything other than food because I don't
want them to associate me with food. You know, they see me,
I want them to say, allthe films, that guy who's going to
leave us some toys, you know, I get like little cat balls that
you're shake and they light up andeverything, you know, and they know
that. I'm glad you mentioned aboutthe DNA though, I guess with you

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know, used to be so prohibitivelyexpensive to do anything DNA testing, but
now it's come down in the youknow, feasible terms, and uh,
I guess for the serious squatchers thatthat's probably probably a commonly used thing now.
Yes, it really is, andthere's a lot there's a lot of

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researchers out there that have DNA,and I'm talking about top notch guys that
are you know, been in thefield for fifty years, you know what
I mean. But it doesn't matterwhat the result is. People are always
going to question, are always goingto say it's contaminated. You know.

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You can't make you can never makeeverybody happy unless you bring in a body
or you bring a live one dand you show it to the world.
People are never gonna be happy,and people always are gonna have something bad
to say about it, you know, And it's just it's the nature of
the beast, you know, theywant. Like I tell people, I

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don't try to convince anybody about whatI've seen or what it makes what I've
experienced. When you see it foryourself, you'll believe it, because even
when you see it for yourself,your mind can't comprehend what your eyes are
seeing because these creatures are just sobig. They're so big it's ridiculous,

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you know. It's just the meresize of them freaks people out, you
know, scares the hell out ofpeople. You know, before we're gonna
take a great here, and justbefore we do, the weird thing just
hits my head. I was watchingI Think we Drugs Inc. The other
night. It was showing you know, in these remote areas, clung to

(01:03:05):
your peru and all that with yourcooking, the cocaine and all that harvesting,
and they are in very remote areas, you know, very rigorous mountains
there. It just the thone hitman. Have you ever heard any tales
from some of these drug traffickers whereyou know, where Dave's encounter. Yeah,

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there's actually a one at a northernCalifornia where these people had a growing
a growth site on the mountain andthey decided to plant their growth site on
the Sasquatch territory and a few ofthem, a few of them were torn

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apart, shredded to pieces. Therewas actually there's actually a full length of
movie on that. Best to geta reporter caught wind of it, and
he really he really did a greatjob putting this movie together. It's a
full length movie, maybe an hourand a half, two hours. And
he goes from like the rumors too, because you know, of course the

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cops are gonna say, oh,yeah, they're there. There was a
gunfight on the hill two rival gangsand some guys were killed. Yeah.
But now, I mean one theway this guy breaks it down and together
and then he actually gets people tocome in like with a mask line everything,
who are still growing in the samelocation, but now they have like

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a respect for one another, youknow what I mean. They don't shoot
at the creatures when the creatures walkthrough the growth site, you know,
and they just let them mosey onthrough, and the creatures don't attack them,
you know, because they're they're beingshot at. Yeah, absolutely,
Yeah. And then you know,a lot of a lot of another I

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get a lot of a lot ofreports from a border patrol guy. They
they'll be up there'll be up inthe hills of Arizona, up on the
mountains looking down with night vision equipmentor thermal equipment, and you'll see the
males coming through the guys during smugglingall and then you know, one hundred

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feet behind them, you'll see thisgiant figure, you know, walk just
a hundred feet behind the maybe fiftyyards to the west. The moles are
going this way, and this thingis going that way, and you know,
what the hell else is out therethat's that big by poor walking you
know, Oh that's great, dome. I'm like, geez, you

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know, it's logical question from that. Yeah, And there's a lot of
Border Patrol people that have that evidence, you know, and when they get
it, soon as they get backto their CEOs, that stuff is confiscated.
You know, our government denine isanything going on down there? Any
Yeah? No, I mean,you know, it's it's you know,

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they take they take, they takethe evidence for you know, because they're
sending out they're sending out people togo arrest these people. But they're also
taking it for the big places becausethere also have been stories where the moles
that have been going through will runacross a family. There's bigfoots on the
way, and you know, theystart shooting at these creatures and the creatures

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defend themselves and just rip these peopleapart, you know, just rip on
the bar and they go there andthey just find body parts all over the
place. I actually seen a videoone that was actually smuggled out where the
Border Patrol guys were filming and itwas the poty parts. Of course,
the government says, Oh, it'sthe cartel's just chopping people up. But
these people weren't chopped up. Theywere pulled apart, you know. Yeah,

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it was crazy stuff. Yeah,it's it's out there. You know,
it's just you have to know people, I mean, and they at
least the people always say I'll come. No one ever gets that great pitch.
It's always you know, it's alwaysfuzzy. It's always squatching, you
know, blob squatch kind of.There are millions of photographs that people have
that are crystal clear, that havethem on their property, that are literally

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feeding these things, you know whatI mean, just there. They just
don't put it out there because it'sjust too good to be true. It's
a hoax, right, So whywhy put yourself in that position where you
got a great a evidence, photographicevidence, and people are gonna tear you
apart and tear you apart because they'regonna say it's all it's a guy in

(01:07:34):
a gorilla suit or something. Youknow. People don't want to deal with
that nonsense, you know, Imean, we've been doing this a long
time, all of that debunking,all of that nonsense. Just leave it
alone. At me today, Ihad someone tell me that because I was
post, you know, promoting,promoting the show, and when I promote,

(01:07:55):
I promote all over the place,you know, I don't just promote
a ghost or Bigfoot. And someonesaid, oh, why are you promoting
a ghost show in a UFO UMon a UFO site. They're not paranormal
and UFOs are not the same.And I was like, Okay, if
that, if that's the way youthink, that's fine. But there's common

(01:08:16):
threads that connects all of this stufftogether. And if you've done it long
enough and you're open, you havean open mind, you'll you'll know,
You'll you'll you'll see, you'll learnthe common threads, you know, and
you wouldn't believe how many ghost huntersare out squatching now and usings ghosts hunting
techniques and getting Grade A results withthe with the sasquashes, you know.

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that one of our users have more. Oh here it is. Do you
think Bigfort has mystical powers? Well, according to the Native Americans, they
always believe that the Sasquatch was supernatural. Okay, um, so you know,

(01:12:34):
I believe I believe they are aswell. I believe um they have.
I believe that they're able to raisetheir vibration and use that and their
consciousness to higher level and use thatto help them open up portals so they

(01:12:55):
could step in and out of.You know, I don't believe. There
are people out there say, well, you know, I followed I followed
a big foot trail a track wayfor a hundred yards and led to the
middle of the field, and thenthe tracks just disappeared. And then what
happened? Where did they go?And people say, well, they just
stepped in their tracks and they backtrack. It's an old Indian thing. They

(01:13:18):
backtracked, you know, a quarterof a mile without double stepping in the
print. And then when they gotback to where they started, they jump
on a rock or they climbed upa tree and they swung pan and they're
like, no, there is noway something it's gonna walk backwards for a
quarter mile. Not not not evenmake a double track and then start all

(01:13:43):
over again. You know, Ibelieve that these creatures have the ability e
to raise the raise their vibration,and when they do that, they can
open portals anywhere they want and theycould step in and they could step out
and be I believe there's also therehave ability when again when they raise their
vibration, they can change the spectrumof light they're in. So if you're

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watching them and you're filming them inIR and I believe they can see the
IR light just like the cats andthe dogs can. You know, I
believe they see the IR light.They change their spectrum, they raise their
vibration, they change the spectrum oflight it is they're in, and then
they're invisible again. I've heard storieswhere people had to change their cameras like

(01:14:34):
two or three times to keep thembecause they would go from you know,
regular R vision whatever you know,and then it would go into IR and
then it would go into full spectrum, then it would go into thermal and
they had to keep changing from tokeep them to keep seeing where they were.
And then it was actually at onepoint they lost them on thermal.

(01:14:57):
And that's all the equipment, theguy had and he couldn't He couldn't track
it anymore. And I believe eitherthe thing went into a portal and went
into a different dimension or changed thespectrum of light again, and that camera
just you know, couldn't see himanymore, you know, like that black
box. Whatever it did, itdeflected, it deflected its body heath signature.

(01:15:20):
So yeah, yes, I dobelieve they're supernatural in that aspect.
I believe there's a lot of timeswhen hunters have them in their scopes and
they're looking at them, and thenone minute day there on, one minute
they're not. It's not that theydisappeared. They caught wind of that hunter,
they smelled them or whatever, andthey changed the spectrum of light they

(01:15:44):
were in and they moved over inone hundred feet and the guy just can't
see them anymore, you know whatI mean. It acquired Defense Mechanism movie.
Yes, I mean, they're actuallyvideos of friends that Ryan and I
know who are researchers who've been outin the woods filming had rocks thrown at

(01:16:04):
them, right, and they're filmingthe woods where the rocks are coming from,
like the rocks are coming out ofnowhere. One of the there's nothing
there, that there's a rock coming. But what our friend didn't know this
was that there was a shimmer onone of the branches of the trees like

(01:16:27):
that, which I would call itum predator shimmer. Yeah, yeah,
there was a predator. There wasa predator shimmer on the tree. And
Brian and I believe that that creaturewas actually standing on that branch and the
rocks were coming from there. Buthe was there, you know, twenty
five feet from it, filming atnight. He didn't notice the shimmer,

(01:16:50):
you know, he didn't see theshimmer, you know, and but we
did on the video and we pointedout to him. He's like, oh
Jesus, there was a lot ofcloth other than I thought, you know.
I was like, yeah, butthey weren't trying to hit you with
the rocks. They were just tryingto let you know they were there,
you know. But they didn't wantto show themselves to him, you know,

(01:17:11):
or the person he was with,so they did that. You know,
I've told I've I've talked to peoplewho seen that same shimmer run from
tree to tree, you know,and if they weren't paying attention, if
they weren't looking they would have nevernoticed that. You know, if you're

(01:17:31):
just a regular person, welcome throughthe woods, you're not going to catch
that shimmer run from tree to tree. You know, you have to actually
be out there with that mindset andyou know about it. It's been about
a month or so ago. Wehad an interesting experience. We were doing
a we're doing a table session anda good friend of Steve's had passed away

(01:17:56):
a couple of years ago, andabout a year after that, his wife
died and both of them were intothe paranormal and really really wonderful people,
very giving. Well, for somereason, it was shortly after his wife's

(01:18:16):
passing, she started coming through,Like it didn't matter where we were doing
a session, this lady would comethrough and be at the table. And
that was always sort of like hitor run, you know, she just
jump in, no matter who wasthere. She just did a barge in,
take over the table for a coupleof minutes, say hi to see

(01:18:41):
and essentially always had the same message. She was looking for her husband,
get up with him, and shedidn't know where he was. And I
mean this was like all the time, and it didn't matter for at the
Hoover House, he could be atthe orphanage and he waited out just she

(01:19:04):
just jump in every time we doas session. So finally we were one
night. Of course she comes throughagain and it was really appearance she crossed
over, but he had was shejust couldn't find him and she was really
looking for him and had no ideawhere he was. So we were working

(01:19:29):
with their one table, Vivian,that's one of the high order tables,
and Vivian couldn't find him. Soall of a sudden, and I'm assuming
this, a spirit rose into myhead to use a healing residence. You
know how they do the bowls,And it came into me to use one

(01:19:55):
of those healing residences and exactly themega hurts that we would use to assist
Vivian and finding this guy. Soyou need you need, you needed to
use a frequency to draw him out. So that's so his wife could find
him. Yes, and wow,that's what we did, Pam. Pam

(01:20:17):
pulled it up on her phone thatyou know had a YouTube as a bunch
of those right, and pulled itup on that frequency and she's playing it
and during that whole time, thetable was just in this like real slow
motion rotational thing, just sort ofgoing around in a real slow circle,

(01:20:41):
and we're playing that. We're playingthat and long as there's a good maybe
fifteen minutes or so, and finallyyou could tell us you were locked on
and he started pulling the trail andultimately, um, we were able to
hook him up, get him together. And she hadn't been back. Wow,

(01:21:03):
he must have been lost in theether or something. That well.
One of the things that we weresort of picking up on is that she
evidently day from a previous marriage.He had a daughter, and and this

(01:21:25):
daughter was having a lot of issues, and he was very concerned about this
daughter. And I guess there wasa combination of things, and one of
those was he was really not leavinghis daughter's side. So, you know,
I guess it's sort of messed upthe usual process. But the bottom

(01:21:48):
line was, by using those vibrationalfrequencies, we were able to use that
almost like a beacon to draw himin. That's the first time we done
something like that, but certainly won'tbe the last. Yeah, you know,
lately I've been we've been working withand I've been doing this with all

(01:22:09):
of all of my investigations, whetherit's UFO cryptid or ghosta. Um.
UM, I've been working with alot of frequencies and tones and vibrations and
stuff like that. UM, alot of natural elements and UM. We
were doing an investigation recently. Idon't know if you know the ladies Full
Moon Paranormal. Yeah, okay,we were working with They invited me out

(01:22:31):
an investigation with them, and uh, what was her name? Alexandra Holzer
was there. Okay, so we'reworking with Alexandra, you know. So.
UM, I was kind of doingmy own thing and I was getting
e vps were we were in avery historical UM music venue and um,

(01:22:54):
there had been music there from theeighteen hundreds right up until like the week
before we got there, and therehas been bands playing there and stuff.
And I was, I was downin the basement doing my thing, and
I was. I got an eVP next to an old Budweiser sign.
I said, you like Budweiser andsaid, no, you know, but

(01:23:15):
what I what I started to doa little dawned on me, I should
I should start going into the roomsbefore Alexandre gets there and do all kind
of environmental readings. And I gotI got a piece of equipment. Debt
does like twenty different environmental readings,okay, And I would I would see

(01:23:38):
what each one of them said,and I would I would lock them all
in to see what it was,what it looked like. And then I
would let her come in with thegroup that she was leading, and she
did what she would do, whatshe do to make contact or whatever to
you know, her intent to drawentities and energies in. Then I would
take my photographs, you know,from again I would stay in the background.

(01:24:00):
And I was and I hadn't metAlexander years before, and unbelievable,
still she still remembered me. AndI was thinking photographs, and I caught
this photograph and one of the roomswas up on the second floor. I
caught this thing peeking into the window. It looked like galloped from water to
rings, okay, and it wascrazy looking, just absolutely crazy looking.

(01:24:25):
But then after she left, Iwent back in and I took those readings
again, and in every single roomwhen she left, the readings were off
the chart. Every single environmental thingthat I was reading had changed dramatically.
And that happened, and that happenedfrom room to room. Look, we

(01:24:47):
were up and up in the dressingrooms, upstairs, down in the bowels
of the place, the basement,up on stage, in the in the
in the stands, the you know, on the floor, up in the
rafters, everywhere. And I don'tknow what. I don't know what made
me do. This little voice inmy head said, you know what you

(01:25:08):
should do. You should get therebefore, and then you should get there
after and see what happened. Andthen one of the rooms there was a
little hallway that separated one room foranother, and in that hallway there was
a little altcove I don't know whatit was. And d put rampod in
that altcove and you could walk pastthat thing a million times, and that

(01:25:30):
rampod would never go off, youknow, And it was so dark in
the place that you couldn't even seeit was there. Well, I was
standing by the bar filming, andall of a sudden that ramparts started going
crazy. So I went over andI just filmed this rampod going absolutely nuts.
And then she came out of room. I said, did you put

(01:25:53):
this rampot in? She said,no, I didn't put that there.
And I had to ask everybody thatwas with us, and eventually I found
somebody said, oh, I putthat there in the beginning of the night
before the investigation even started, andthey were like, I already forgot about
it. They had forgotten about itbecause the place was so big and it
was so many rooms to go intoit. And I was like, well,
when Alexandria is up here, thisthing is going absolutely insane. And

(01:26:17):
it was just it was an amazinginvestigation. I had a lot of fun
that night. I got a lotof stuff, A lot of stuff I
got. I got heat signatures onmy thermal in one of the dressing rooms.
You know, there was something there, um like a little figure I
had that that had that e VPdownstairs, I had that that gallop thing

(01:26:40):
in the photograph. I don't know. And I mean it was just weird
that we're up on the second thirdfloor, there's no fire escape, there's
no walkway out there, and somethingis standing outside peeking in, you know,
like watching what she was doing.It was crazy. Yeah, that
was that was a great investigation.Yeah, the some Citi's Opera House.

(01:27:01):
When we did that, we didthis place called the twin Citi's Opera House.
Um it's in Ohio, right,Yeah, Yeah, um good and
blad good and bad good was activeas hell. We had some great stuff

(01:27:24):
and some stuff that we had experiencedbefore, equipment wise and just personal experience
wise. Bad problem was the twosix in this place were so perfect that
if you were up in the balconyon the top of the place, somebody
could fart in the basement. Itwas eruption up where you were. I

(01:27:46):
was just that loud, you know, yeah, yeah, you have to
take a small group in there,and you can't really separate because you're going
to completely contaminate nobody else if youdo. But at the times we were
all together, we were getting somefantastic stuff. The one alcove with there

(01:28:08):
was a two little girls. Onewas the daughter of a woman who was
in uh one of the actresses,one of the main actresses that was there,
and her daughter was up there andlove to play with the one piece
of equipment, and she had afriend who was there with her that liked
to play with a different piece ofequipment. So we put them both next

(01:28:30):
to each other and we would say, okay, we're talking to the little
girl or the older girl, anddepending on which one lit up, we
knew which one we were talking about. Yeah, so yeah, yeah,
now, I mean yeah, wehad so much evidence then, and then
we had other personal stuff happened tothe ladies that were there, people that
they knew who he did a lotof played a lot of Bitten concerts there,

(01:28:54):
showed up. It's well, itwas very emotional with them. But
you know, I tried to eitherget ahead of people or get behind people.
Again, like you said, evps are almost impossible to do in
places like that, you know,because of the acoustics. That's this is
crazy. But I was able.I was able to get one down.

(01:29:15):
Stays in the basement, and thebasement was weird because you could walk through
the basement and absolutely feel absolutely nothing. But there was a stretch maybe a
six by five foot stretch that whenyou walked through, it just fell different
and the EMF meter would go offthe charts just in that little five foot

(01:29:40):
stretch, you know. And therewasn't like there was wires above us or
wires underneath the floor or whatever.Because we were in the basement, all
the wires were exposed. You couldsee what's around you. I was walking
up to, you know, heavyduty wires and put the MF meeter up
against them and it wasn't doing anything, you know, but whatever was in
that little st direction. It wasfunny too, because again I like to

(01:30:01):
stay in the back and just payattention to listen, and one by one
as everybody walked to when you gethere, everybody just say, man,
it just feels weird right here.You know. It was like that one
will. I think every single personthat was in that uh who came to
that event that night said and asthey walked by, I said it on
the way out. You know,it was funny. I mean it was

(01:30:25):
a lot of fun. We hada lot of fun. And Alexandra was
great, absolutely great. Yeah,we have a friend that's that's friends with
her. We're trying to get herdown to the Hoover House and have her
stay in the Sweet Name for herfather. Oh absolutely yeah. What I
doubt Um speaking of trying to dosomething, what is going on for you?

(01:30:48):
And I would assume Brian, um, what's what's what's on your calendar?
What you guys got coming up?Anything special? Well, we did
a couple of video We did acouple of movies over over the four um
we did, we shot, weshot. It was like a two hour
documentary for the Travel Channel on UFOs, and then we shot we shot two

(01:31:14):
more, um, both independent filmmakersagain, both of them about UFOs.
All three were about UFOs and uh, you know, then Brian recently got
another phone call to go shoot againwith the Travel Channel in Connecticut. Um.
They didn't want me, I guesstoo much of a panity yes for

(01:31:36):
them, but they wanted Brian,which was fine with me. And uh,
Brian shot. So we've been doinga lot of shoots. You know,
we've been doing a lot of videosproduction, UM, stuff like that.
UM. Other than that, again, you know, we're we're just
the weather is it's so bad thisyear up here. You know, if

(01:31:59):
it's not snowing, which it seemslike it's snowing every day, it's it's
you know, twelve degrees or youknow, minus minus two. And so
we're not we're not getting out theway we normally would. And uh,
it's just you know, keeping usin, you know. And then again
with the COVID stuff, you know, UM, again we're not we're not

(01:32:19):
getting out to do just the thingswe did. We um, we did,
we did, we did some stuffover the summer. There's a place
up here called Balance Rock, andit's this giant rock um balance on three
smaller rocks. And if you lookat the rock itself, it looks like

(01:32:40):
the Native Americans carved it to looklike a cougar, has almost like a
cougar's face to it. And wewent there and we did we did some
EVPs there and we did some againa lot of environment Again, we're doing
a lot of environmental stuff with thereadings and the and the and the tone
owns and the vibrations and the frequencies, and you know, we go there,

(01:33:05):
we investigate, doesn't see to makeit as much happening. We do
a couple of are different of ourtechniques to try to amp up the energy,
and then the energy just goes throughthe roof and then all the environmental
equipment just absolutely blows up. Andthat day we actually after we did that,

(01:33:27):
we ended up hitting two stone chambersthat day as well. We had
we had come across two stone chaschambers in our travel that we had never
been to before, and and weinvestigated them as well. Um got ran
off on one property, but bythe sheriff, you know. But yeah,
they don't like people going into thesechambers for some reason. If you

(01:33:50):
know they can they swear up anddown that it's um farmers. Um.
What do you call that? Um? Storm cellers? You know, they
call them storm cellers. But they'remade out of two tons stones. And
then and they're above ground. Stormceller is below ground, not above ground.

(01:34:14):
If the farmer is going to buildhis house and his barn at a
wood, what makes you think he'sgonna build a storm cellar out of two
tons stone? And how is hegoing to move it and build this thing
without mortar? I mean, thesethese these things are are amazing. Uh.

(01:34:35):
And you know, and the energyin those places are always amazing.
You know, we always we alwaysalways get some kind of evidence when we
do these things. You know,when we go in there and we investigate,
we always get something, whether it'sE vps um, a video of

(01:34:57):
like a thermold footage of stuff,or just touched our she's whispers in her
ears. I mean, we've hadso many different things happened to us.
You know, we were I hadtaken I had taken a group out one
time and we were in one ofthese stone chambers and it was actually on

(01:35:19):
Native American ground land, you know. And we were in there and I
had some I was it was inthe summertime, and I had a Native
American woman touched my arm. Ifelt a small warm hand touched my arm.

(01:35:39):
And the back of this chamber therewas like a sacrificial um altar or
something, and I was in itby myself, and I felt this Native
American. Well, the image inmy mind's eye was a young Native American
girl and I asked her how manychambers are in the area, And on

(01:36:00):
my digital voice recorder, I gotlike seventeen taps, tap tap, tap
tap, and then um, everybodygot together and it was it was a
big group. So we were goingin in groups of fives. And one
of the girls and one of thegroups was my cousin, and her brother

(01:36:24):
had passed a couple of years earlier. Um, he was a guitar player
in one band and a bass playerand the other. And they were in
this chamber and one of the girlscomes out and says, oh, we
can hear the guitar playing in thischamber. Is there anybody around, maybe

(01:36:47):
somebody up on the roof of thechamber, what a radio or something.
I was like, now we're inthe middle of the woods. There's nobody
around, it's just us, youknow. Well we hear we hear a
guitar playing in there, what youknow, And then they go Your cousin's
freaking out because nobody knew the backstorythat her brother had passed away, you
know. And so I go inand I say, what's going on?

(01:37:09):
And she goes, just listen,and then all of a sudden, it
went from a strumming guitar, likean electric guitar, to like a bass
guitar. And you can feel ifyou put your hand on the stone,
you could feel the stone vibrating.And she looked at me, and I
looked at her, and I think, this is a message for you,

(01:37:30):
you know. So you and Iboth know who this is, and he
wants to communicate with you, notme, you know. And she was
like, she's you know, andthis girl is how do I explain it
very straight lace she's an attorney bytrade. She doesn't believe in a lot
of paranormal stuff, you know,whatever I mean. And she came out

(01:37:51):
of that chamber crying, hysterical,hugging and kissing me, and she was
like, oh my god, out, I can't believe it blinked off day
what he dropped off? Yamn,So he must have its something I don't

(01:38:16):
know. Huh well, I meanhe was gonna leave, yeah right,
so uh well that was our dearfriend Brian Bowden. I mean not Brian,
good Lord al sand Tria. Thereclear blues guy just dropped but um

(01:38:42):
yeah, so I mean, youknow he's shay one time Brian, And
however in the chambers, I don'tknow if you guys know who. Um.
David Rowntree is an electrical engineer,and he says, I was at
I was under some poll team onetime. Happy to be sitting at a
stables stuff. Of course I'm pickinghis brain, you know. And he
starts telling me, yeah, youknow, um, when a portal is

(01:39:05):
opened, he said, the radiationlevel goes through the roof. So I
said, very interesting. I've madea little mental note of that. So
Brian and I were at one ofthese chambers one time and we had two
thermal images going in the chamber andone facing him, one facing me.
So we got both sides of thechamber and we went in with a Geiger

(01:39:27):
counter and we checked the radiation leveland the radio was you know barely.
No, there was really no radiationlevel there. And then we take out
our TOI bed and single bowls andwe hit it with this frequency and we
ramped it up and you could seeon the thermal images the colors started to

(01:39:49):
change. It was like this crazypurple cloud on both dermal images, which
is changing. And I was lookingover my shoulder towards the door, and
he said he seen somebody but onthe inside of the chamber, like almost
like a shadow figure against the wallpeek out to look at us. But

(01:40:13):
when it peeked out, it hadthe sunlight behind it, so it made
a silhouette because the sunlight. AndBrian's seen some peek out and then duck
back in. And when I tellyou we checked, when we checked the
radiation level again with the guy counter, it was through the roof. I
mean, it was at dangerous levels, you know. And Brian's like,

(01:40:38):
maybe we should get at it,and I'm like, noah, maybe we
should just wait two more minutes andsee what we got, you know,
But uh, what's that? Yeah? No, you could, you can?
You can. You can buy himnow for pennies on the dollar,
you know. Yeah, listen,now I want to keep my promise.

(01:41:01):
I appreciate you so much coming onon the short notice. I wonder let
you get out early. Absolutely,you're gonna be going on with Cisco.
Get a little rest and listen.I don't know if you saw your your
buddy posted a note, you mightwant to give him a buzz. Yeah.
Yeah, he's having a tough week, ye buddy, Yeah yeah,

(01:41:23):
yeah, so um, we're gonnalet you go a little rest up.
Say hello to Cisco for it.Absolutely, absolutely yes, we can't wait
to have you back down to thehouse. Man. Brian and I were
thinking about sucking a room for thebattlefil Battlefield Bash because it's my birthday weekend.
Oh yeah, yeah, well lookyou and your family stay well.

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Thank you so much. It's veryalways enlightening, a whole lot of new
ideas and again the deepest appreciation getbuying our best too. Would go well,
and anytime you need me, guys, you call me and I'm there
for you guys. You know thatall right now, Thank you so much.
Take care. Yeah and that wasal Sanriga. Wow, so some

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great stories. Yeah. Well,and if the thing is as often as
we've sat and talked with him,it's like every time as a new story.
You haven't told us that one before? Ye? That thin done?
Yes, Steve has a guy tocan it works? So I'm I'm thinking
doing some of that harmonic residence andjust see if we get alterations in that

(01:42:40):
pretty fascinating you know where you maywant to try that ask over the storical
Society, Yeah, I would saytry it over there. I want to
try it. I want to tryto James and Jeff because I'm sure that
will go all over the place withall the different spirits attached, all the
different teas you know. Um,and then I think, um, I

(01:43:05):
think the orfering to would work well. Um and quite honestly, I know
you have no desire, but Ithink that might work as him, So
yeah, I really do. Yeahyou know that Andy and know all that
they would just step here. Yeah, well him and I were talking about
it today. Our friend uh AndyAndrews excuse me, was up with Mary

(01:43:30):
Joe Chudley and their group was atpenpar Nomal and they went up to the
offering tree and on their way back, somebody said that they were starting to
feel really drained, and he saidthe first thing he thought it was the
story I told him about would haveto do you and Ivah we were there
and he's like, look, somebody'sgonna get drained in that you can deal

(01:43:54):
about it because he doesn't know hisown dreams and talking which Mary Joe,
they were guests this weekend at theHoover House and she she's made a really
neat lenspid that Pammy Steve is goingto be carrying at the store. I
think I may get myself on.It really looked like it really looked sharp,

(01:44:15):
So be on the lookout for that. That was they were pretty neat,
solidly built. Yeah, somebody wouldsaying that All was a fascinating guy.
I said, if you could sitand talk of him, like face
to face, the stories this guy'sgot for you, Coman, let me
finish what I was about to typehere and then I'll do a quick uh

(01:44:39):
summation of the first story he toldto me. So, yeah, we
had a we had a really neatsession last night. We did a number
of sessions and hooked up with alot of speaking, of which Andy was
saying that, uh, it wasbecause it was Andy's son's birthday, Trey's

(01:45:03):
birthday, Yeah, and that hismother came through mother came and he said
everything Jim was saying before we couldask questions was spottling, like whatever the
table was telling you and coming intoyour head and you were saying out loud.
He said, every one of everybit of a spottling. Yeah,

(01:45:23):
so yes, he was really butI tell you it was real cathartic for
me. For some reason, Ijust I felt a lot better all days
since last night session. I don'tknow what it was. That's the same
thing every time you don't listen,Yeah, tell you the spirits will take
care of you. No, Idon't know if I want to get over

(01:45:44):
here. I feel so much better, of course. Yeah. Um,
okay. So the first time wemeet Al and we get to talk and
as you if you were here formthe beginning of the show, Al just
retired from the post office after whathe's say, thirty two years. Good
board. Um. And at onepoint on his route was the building that

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David Berkowitz lived in in Yonkers,and right across the street from that as
a place called Antomyer's Park. Andthere's long been theories and there's actually a
documentary series on Netflix which is fantasticabout exactly And I've watched this series and
then Al tells me the story.I'm like, oh my god, I

(01:46:30):
just watched the series and so manyexact same thing that Berkowitz did not act
alone, that he was part ofa Satanic cult. It's right that has
had ties to um worldwide Satanic cults, a hammer something I can't remember exact
naming, but um they used tohold rituals and Undermyer Park and if you

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lived in the buildings surrounding it,and you could look out your window and
see eats, black shadows of peoplewalking holding torches to where they're going to
hold their rituals, and there wasconstantly animal remains being found from animal sacrifice
and all this stuff. So hehears a story from the guy who used

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to run the route he had thatcat that in the building that Burkewitz lived
in, there was a bathroom inthe basement and he was always told not
to go down and use it,but one time he just could not hold

(01:47:43):
it, so he went down touse it, and as he's coming out,
he's hearing all this chanting and allthis noise, and he looks down
in the down here where I guesswhat was like a parking garage area,
and sure enough, there's a ritualbeing held down there and it freaks this
guy out and he goes back intothe bathroom and stayed in there for hours

(01:48:05):
because he was too scared to comeout until the I guess what would be
the concierge of the selling yeah,came down looking for him because people were
saying, you know, we haven'tseen the male guy normally is here by
now, and they could see hisbag, right, They saw his bag
in the lobby, so they foundhim the bathroom. Scared of death.
He came out and told him whathe saw on it, and he went

(01:48:27):
and it wasn't shortly after that hehad like a complete mental breakdown. So
but also that one of the guyswent over they found like smudging in that
on the ceiling of the gloves right, well, they could see something going
down over there. Yeah, sofast forward. This guy is now no
longer working for the postal service forall his reasons, and Alice give him

(01:48:50):
his route, which at the timewas considered like a premium rout so for
al he has no brainers like anupgrade for me. Well, sure enough,
here's the tale what this guy wentthrough and he's got on, you
know, someone in his head.It's the house, it's the building,
day of work and son of Samlived in. Sure enough, he goes

(01:49:10):
to uses the bathroom down there andthe same thing happened. And to this
day he will tell you tim toGod that he saw Satanic ritual being held
at based on that building. Soit was just so freaky that we hear
the story from him, someone firsthandknowledge of the of the area. And

(01:49:32):
it was less than a week afterI just watched this full documentary series on
Netflix about the exact same thing.Yeah, And at the time I'm asking,
I'm like, he just saw thison Netflix. He's like, I
don't have a Netflix account. I'venever seen this, but he's given facts

(01:49:53):
from this investigative reporter who did thisdocuseriies so, and he obviously hadn't seen
it. So I take him athis word as a fascinating guy, and
him and Buying were fantastic together.And I am not a fan of going
up to the state of New York. I mean, it's got to be
a real drawl like Hinsdale was,something like that, Shanley will be.

(01:50:17):
But I am desperate to get upto their area and go out maybe squatching
or looking for UFOs with them orinvestigating someplace. I think it'll be fantastic.
The guys, it's weird. It'slike they're older. They're probably somewhere
between my age and yours, soI would say early to mid fifties,

(01:50:39):
which I'm quickly creeping up on.But they run the gamut as far as
their investigational style. They do anold school with just recorders and what their
body is telling them and their feelingsthey're getting. They go new school with
somebody the equipment that I'm familiar with. They I mean, they're just really

(01:51:01):
kind of prepared for every situation.So um, I will have Brian back
on the show sooner or rather thanlater as well. Yeah, so um,
I want to thank everybody who tooin tonight. Um I'm sorry,
I was kind of in and out. I have two of the male birds
that we have or going UFC oneach other, and the dogs are barking

(01:51:27):
at them, so I had toquarantine the dogs upstairs or t means I
had to bring one of the newcats down here. And oh and I
got a co ownership. Gotta loveit. I gotta get my new computer.
Up and money because my old onereally it's it's dying on me and
I really can't run my EVPs andall that process, and so I got
to get that new one up andmoney. I just have a lot going

(01:51:49):
on right now. And yeah,hopefully the next couple of weeks what I
can do, depending on what's upwith Melissa's work schedule. If if I'm
able when I get off work Friday, I'll come over and set up your
new computer for you. Okay,So and then that way you don't have
to make the trip over here ifyou don't want to, because you know

(01:52:10):
you'll have your new computers either way. Well, we want to thank everyone
for tuning in. Thank Outfred forjoining us, and Buddy Mike. Can't
wait to get back in the lowerforty eight. Mic, We've got some
stuff to do with you, andwish everyone well, stay healthy, enjoy
the super Bowl next week. Yeah, the Super bowls next week. And

(01:52:35):
we did, by the way,the local board zoning board did pass the
initial alloidinance, so at this pointit looks like the RV zoning so that
hopefully these things take a month ortwo to work out, but hopefully by

(01:52:56):
the March and the March for gettingeighth. Well we should have access to
both the whole house whole house andthe Thanks Log cabin there in the cemetery,
and at that point Steve should besetting up Gettysburges Exchange to Waynesborough addition,
and then we can start the structuringof the paranormal tours and the historical

(01:53:19):
tours or Waynsborough so and then andhopefully even have a couple of additional things
maybe the library and the historic propertyon board as well, to be able
to all for them throughout the year. So yeah, some really neat stuff

(01:53:39):
and some some wonderful spirits talking withthis and stuff. So thanks again for
everyone, and thanks now and y'allsee you will see you in two weeks.
Take care, I've I've got apunch in for Rob so I'm running

(01:54:00):
she franking grab Bob in jo aweek. Thank you for joining Dave and
Jim on Doorway to the Dead.Catch us next week right here at eight
pm every Thursday, as we openthe door to paranormal discussion and more just

(01:54:29):
space, put me down here,huh, and we'll