Doorway to the Dead Season 2 Episode 1

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Episode Transcript

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There are things in this world wecannot explain, something hidden just beyond our
view. Journey with us as weattempt to pierce the veil between our world
and theirs. Join us as wepassed through the Doorway to the Dead.

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Join us at wldesdb dot com forupcoming shows and so much more. Welcome.

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It is Sunday, February twentieth sixor two pm. I am Dave,
This is Jim. We are onehalf of Keystone State prin Aormal Society
and this is Doorway to the Dead. We want to think thank everybody for
joining. Hello THEO, Tracy,Hetty and Jack and Jenny. Um,

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we're going to be bringing a guestin in just a second. He is
an author weather man right well,is that the official player the meteorologies mediologies?
Um, and we can't tell youwho he works were, but it's
it's not your local radio station,local TV station. Hello Joe Anne.

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And let's say, very accomplished authorwith those number of books and the books
have won several awards. His currentbook is on the Amazon bestseller list.
Yes, this King, I thinkwas just released last week. And though
he has been a guest on ourshow before and the old format, we

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did not have the visual here,so this will be the first time I
actually see him. So without forother ADO Facebook user, welcome in Tracy.
Without further Ado, let us bringin our guests. Mister Rob gut
Show. He Yes, how areyou, Robin. Nice to see you,

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you too, nice to see youfor the first time. Actually,
UM, we want to thank youfor taking some time out of what I'm
sure as a busy schedule with youknow, your your your normal day to
day job as we call it,and your bestseller list new book that just
came out. So thanks for sendingsome time with us. I won't thanks

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for having me back. I appreciateit. And yeah, I have a
bunch day. Will post stuff abunch of your contact information and we'll get
into where they can get your booksand all that. And also on the
show tonight, we're going to confirman event we have coming up. It's

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shortly with you at the Hoover House. It'll be interesting. Yeah, I'm
excited to actually meet you. UM. For those of you who aren't aware
of, Rob was a Guestmare Showbefore in the old format, UM,
and it was the call in formatthat we had and we were actually at
an investigation in the Columbus, Ohioat the bed and Breakfast how Hawilson house

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called Um, I don't remember that. I forget to the house, yes,
which was sold and there is nolonger available. But um, Lola
or friend Lola had gotten us onan investigation and we had just heard a
story up there of a quote unquotephantom spirit cat and Rob came on the

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show and obviously having not seen whatthe place looked like because he had caught
on the phone, was like,what's your decay were by the fireplace?
So that was right there. Imean, We're like, oh, this
is gonna be a great show.So and then also he had messaged me.
We were up there setting up andhe messaged me that morning and he

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had gotten a vision where he hadseen a young man with two dogs beside
two dogs and he described they weretwo greyhounds. And he went on to
describe the two greyhounds and mob didn'tknow my background or you know, my
story, anything about my personal life, and to fill it in, I

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had lost a son at four monthsto SIDS, and my wife and I
had adopted two greyhounds as sort oflike they were recovery. They helped us.
You know, we had all thislove for this new child and something
the child's gone. So he's greyhoundswere wonderful healers for my wife and I

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and we had since lost that.And said, Rob pictured this scene with
this young man surrounded by these twogreyhound dogs and described them. And they're
very The one was sort of whatlooked like a Dalmatian and the other was
a brindle, so they were verydifferent colorations and that and he described the

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the the animals and that, andand since then, my son has come
through several times. He gives mea hug a lot of times over the
Hoover house and he is as youas you saw him, that a young
man in his probably mid twenty sortof thing tall, and uh that's the

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way you see. We have sinceseen him. But that that just blew
me away when you sit there anddescribe that. So that was a really
neat introduction. And uh so andlisten, I will be getting together with
I talked to Pam, so I'llgo ahead and announce it. Now we

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don't have all the details, butI'll go ahead and announce a date for
audience and we'll be promoting it onSaturday May fourteenth, that's this year.
Rob is going to be a guestof ours at the Hoover House. I
don't know, I'll get you otherlodging if necessar, because I understand the

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whole idea with the spirits and youneed your rest. But anyhow, Rob's
going to be our guest at theHoover House and give a presentation about I
guess a lot of the content that'scovered in your various books being observant for
signs and whatnot, and for allthose out there, Rob is not just

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in connection with pets. He seesall the spirits, but he has a
special affinity and gift with our animals. And interestingly enough, I'm going to
segue it. We had the neatestthing just last night. We had a
group up from Lancaster Areas, groupof ladies and they were spending the night

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and doing some investigation and wanted todo table tipping and it was a really
interesting session nights at A lot offamily members came through and whatnot, and
this one young girl on the table, she had an event in her life
where evidently it was some faulty wiringin the house. It had been smoldering

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for a long period, and somethingthat night and sort of like those her
concern she got up and something likebushed past or this is a girl's sort
of sensitive disappearance. And she alwaysthought it was a grandparents who had been
passed to alert her. In additionto sort of getting her attention, it

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also sort of pushed about a certainway on the house, which was important
because if she'd gone out another way, she would have never seen the smoldering.
So as it was, the housedid catch fire, but they were
able to get to it early andsaved the house and absolute saved their own
lives. But she always thought itwas her grandparents that had alerted her from

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the other side of the veil,And now last night came it was her
dog. Her dog's name was Sebastian, and he had passed. I really
no connection with the grandparents at all, And the grandparents were there through last
night too, and they confirmed thestory that they had nothing to do with
saving her from the fire. Thiswas something she had always felt it was.

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It was Sebastian, her dog,and he had alerted and actually he
was sort of hurting her, youknow how dogs will hurting around that certain
way so that she would be ableto notice the fire, you know,
notice the smoldering, and something wasa miss. So I just thought that
was seven meat that we were havingyou as a guest tonight. We had

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this experience with the pet from theother side last night. So anyhow,
it's pretty timely. And I willsay, Jim that I have heard from
a number of people who have saidthat their pets and spirit have awakened them
when there was something wrong in thehouse in the middle of the night,

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even after their pet had passed soand there was no other pets in the
house, so it's kind of It'spretty common because our pets continue to watch
out for us from the other side. Yeah, yeah, they always on
guard. It's and we joke aboutit. Here's a lady who were real
close to up here. She runsa no kill animal shelter. She's devoted

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to the animals and she picks upa lot of hard rescues from West Virginia
and other impoverished areas, and mygosh, she goes to all ways to
save these animals and we and thenyou know, a lot of them have
tumors and all that, so theirlifespans are limited. She's always losing one

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that you love so dear, Sowe always joke about it. When it's
her time to go to the otherside, it's going to be a zoo
just envisioned like so when she crawlsover, she'll be going under the arc.
Yeah, that's to have two ofevery kid. Um, So it's

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true. They're all ways for us. So yeah, some people have more
than those for sure. Now I'mgonna I copied a few little statements from
some of your bios and some ofthe promos. Um. Just I guess
these are things that are covered ina lot of books. How many what
is this? Is this nine?Now books or eight books? It's number

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nine and uh, basically again,I'm coming, He says. Bob's books
teach others how to recognize signs frompeople and pets that have passed. He
explains the paranormal in terms of energy, which that's exactly how I definitely,

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absolutely UM bring throughout this process.He brings both understanding and healing, and
that's the other end of our thing. It's about healing, UM, the
distinction between ghosts and spirit and whyit's important to know that the station well

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we're the same way. You know, ghosts across you want to touch bace
on out of second round. Yeah. So my very actually, my very
um, my very first book UMthat I revised, called Ghosts and Spirits
Explained, talks about how what happensafter we die. So the energy within

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us couples with our memories, personality, and knowledge, and we make a
choice to either stay here on Earthat a fixed location of our choosing,
and that's what I call the ghost, or we crossed over and join the
energy on the other side, thelight, and that's what I call a
spirit. So spirits have the abilityto appear to us anytime, anywhere,

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any place on Earth, like ghostscan only appear where they decided to choose
this day everybody. So, sothat's the difference. And um, they
all use energy too, So theyuse heat, light, water and electricity
to get strong enough to communicate,and then they use them to communicate.

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And then m and ghosts earthbound ghostsuse um. Earthbound ghosts negative emotional energy.
So fear, anxiety, depression,anger fuel a ghosts. UM.
So if you go into a hauntedhouse and you're anxious, you're going to
fuel that ghost to make a noiseor something, but spirits rely on love,
faith and hope. Yes he didfruz up. Thank you companion there.

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The one that was up here,in his name is Hawkeye Um.
We got it. We rescued himactually from juniata Um. It's it's hard
to say neighborhood in that area becauseeverybody lives in a cabin on the river
and your your quote unquote neighbor maybetwo and a half football fields away from

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you, but in their quote unquoteneighborhood. There was a guy whose wife
left him because he was a horribledrunk and she didn't take the dogs,
and he decided they reminded him ofher and he didn't want him, so
he tried to shoot them. Theone dollar took around in the snout but
survived, and my friend's sister tookthat one. This one got away and

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we took him. The other onethat we have down here is a little
fete Chuaha is back here behind me. His name is Radar, and we
got him from a shelter down inBarbara City, and we had him first,
and when we got to the otherthe rescue. I grew up as
a mash fan, so I hada radar, I had to get a

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hawkeye. So and if we everhad either have a taper or a Colonel
Potter or a Colonel Blake or something. So but yeah, and then I've
wheeled him in the other room sowe can hear what you say, because
that's way. But I got fourbirds. We got my daughter's rabbit just
passed away about month ago now,and we got his replacement two cats upstare.

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So you know, you were talkingabout the energies and various like between
ghosts and spirit and how um it'sfunny. Yet yesterday with the sessions we
were having, um, it wasjust as we were getting started, you
know, you could feel the energiesin the room. I knew there were

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a number of spirits wanting to comethrough for their loved ones and whatnot.
And it was funny because even beforewe had brought that spirit to present at
the table, they were the peoplewere getting real emotional. They were picking
up with any these people we hadpretty good sensitivities to spirit, and they

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were We keep a box of Kleenexand they were already picking up on the
energies and sort of oftentimes the personat the table will see or you know,
in your mind, build who's who'sthere presenting it, and they'll they'll
get those feelings. And I guessthey they were able to feed on those

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energiesus that spirit is presenting to themand that that was a pretty neat session
yesterday. There were some there wassome dark family secrets that came out,
and I guess some resolution and Iguess one thing we've learned is there are
no secrets. You know, we'reactually we're actually working right now on a

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local case where the girls was founddead and they're they're connecting up and it
looks like some foul play and stufflike that it's involved. So was that
the one? Uh? Oh,no, this one's down that I just
saw? Another one not far Um. Girl hasn't been seen or heard from

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since Friday, and her boyfriend,who she was supposed we're going to see
it says he knows where she's at, but won't give up her whereabouts.
Um, that's that's not yeah,And for some reason it's guy sent sexually
explicit pictures of his bolfriend to herfather and her seven year old sisters.
Some now he's been arrested and chargedwith corruption of a minors, you know,

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like ridiculous. Yeah, it's umthe last day, we just celebrated
our one year period of having theHoover House and opening up these various venues.
And I think all of us havehad a real you know, be
connected to years and doing investigations that, but I think all of us have

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had a real spiritual enlightenmentent over theyear. I mean it's really it's definitely
rebbed it up a lot, andand it's expanded all of our horizons.
And uh, while it's a constantlearning, we're actually we're actually starting to
be able to figure things out too. You know. It's I guess spirit.

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Spirit seems to have a consistency aboutit, if you know what I
mean. It's there's a there's anumber of issues I'll call them truths that
they constantly testify to us, suchas the eternal nature of life, the
eternal nature of love, and theimportance of that importance of family and everyone.

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And one of the things we've oftenfound is, let's say, on
this side of the veil, familymembers had spoken to each other in years
because of hard feelings or whatever,and when that person passes and gets themselves
set up. First thing they liketo do is seems to re establish that

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time with their family. Oftentimes,the member on this side the veil,
they're still stuck with thorn groundings andwhatnot, so they may not be ready
for that reconciliation, but it seemsto spirits on the other side, with
the with a better knowledge of things, are anxious to re establish those family

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ties. Have you is that somethingyou've observed actually had a family I did.
I had that that experience in myfamily too. Um, I think
I wrote about it my book Ghostsand Spirits explained where my aunt and my
mother had a kind of love hatesister relationship. And um, my aunt

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passed in the eighties and she cameto me asking me to get forgiveness from
my mother so she could go toa higher level on the other side.
She crossed over, but as itdoes, at a low level of the
afterlife. So, so guys,you have you have to know that I'm

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half Italian. My mother was Italian. And she said, when I said
my aunt wanted forgiveness, she said, no, I'm not going to forgive
your aunt. And so I said, oh, well, you know,
Italians invented the word vendetta. Sothat makes sense to me. But it
took me twenty five years, twentyfive years for me to get my mother

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to say, okay, I forgiveyou. And then my aunt came to
me again from the other side andsaid, thank you. I am now
at peace. So and you're righthere on earth. It takes a long
time for us to get passed andforgiveness in a lot of situations. But
my aunt waited in spirit for twentyfive years after she passed to finally be

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settled on the other side. Soyou know, it's it's not it's not
anything, guess my mom. Butum, you know, there's a lot
of bad things that my aunt isand my mom as as humans, we
just have to work our way throughthem. So yeah, this um.
One of our guests last night,there was something had gone down in the

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family and her it was a grandmotherand she wanted she wanted her granddaughter to
be able to forgive and accept,you know, move on. And she
was being perfectly honest with if shegoes no, I have a better understanding.
It helped break break detention, Iguess, but you know, she

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just in being honest about it.She said, you know, I'm not
really at that point where I canjust let it all go. Uh and
but but it was interesting. Shewas able, her grandmother was able to
guess, plead your case, ifthat's the right thing. So it did.
It did provide her some more understandingto what it happened, maybe why

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it had happened. So that's that'sum It. We never really know what
right what to Expectamala. Yeah,I know. Um But one thing that
Rob did say that I find uminteresting because it definitely goes along with um

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various religions where even though you've crossedover and you've become spirit and you're one
with you know, whatever deity orGod you believe in, whatever that religion
may be, that you still havework you can do, even from the
other side, to get more enlightenedand move up that energy spectrum, so

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to speak. You know what Imean. I've heard that white a lot,
especially from I don't want to saysell us because that sounds like such
a nasty thing, but overtly religiouspeople that I know that they're like,
you know, it's not enough thatI live a certain way on this plane.

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Once I cross over. There's stillthings I don't have to do to
improve myself. On the other side, I'm glad you mentioned that that was
another if anything, Spirit oftentimes teachesus, I guess, to view various
things reflecting on our lives in thissphere in a different way, and I

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guess sensitizes us and educates us tosome issues. A really neat thing that
happened last night. There was ayoung girl in mid twenties at the table,
and evidently she had grown up asa Jehovah's witness in that group,

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and evidently there's certain beliefs in theway they conduct their lives. That was
a real issue, and this lovedone of hers. It was a grandmother
had passed through and there was alot of real sensitive difficulties and stuff,
and you could really just from connectingwith the spirit, you could see the

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sensitivity on the part of the grandmotherhow she dealt with this. I mean,
ultimately, this girl left just leftthe church, like left the church
as But it was neat the waythey were laid to one another, and
you could you could have a betterunderstanding. And one of the things that
was particular tender is I guess theydon't celebrate birthdays and I don't think they

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celebrate holidays like Christmas either, reallyyes, And so what the grandmother had
done is throughout they would it not, I know, you would not receive
a birthday card. But what thisgrandmother had done, she got a birthday
card and sort of crossed out theway birthday, but was remembering her granddaughter's

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day, special day, and wouldgive her little gift or something like that.
So it was sort of taboo inthe terms of the religion. But
you could really feel the sensitivity onthe part of the grandmother with what she'd
done in the acts of love andkindness in that and it was really interesting
that this girl, now growned,could pick up and sense all that,

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and it was very tender. AndI guess, you know, I being
as I guess, just going alonethe accepted norm. Sometimes we really don't
have a good view how certain thingsmight affect this. But spirit is so
wise. So that's actually why thatwas actually the whole purpose of my second

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book, Lessons Learned from Talking tothe Dead and Um. In that book,
it outlines all of the things theways that that spirits that I've communicated
with it want us to live andthey really want us to be respectful of
each other, treat each other kindly. Um, basically, treat each other
as we would treat wanted to betreated by other people. Um. So

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there's a whole bunch of lessons inthere. Um. And that's kind of
a question and answer a paranormal book, but it really is the bottom line,
that's what they want. And they'rehere to actually guide us and teach
us, and they will let usknow when we're doing the wrong thing.
And then our spirit guides or youknow, various uh workers from the other

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side with us. They also don'tthey they'll they intercede in various things,
maybe to help us in our decisionprocess and stuff. Sometimes even though we
might not be aware of it.Is that true? Yeah, there's an
influence there um, you know,but we have to remember that humans are
very stubborn, so sometimes and don'tlisten to people telling us right, even

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though it's like right in our ear, We're still gonna do what we want.
Yeah. We had a situation wherethe one lady she had she has
a teenage daughter who was not therelast night, and she had had COVID
and as a result of the COVID, she has had some ongoing issues with

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the heart. Note she recovered fromCOVID that what is now presented is sort
of some very irregular rhythmias and somesituations. And so a spirit guide presented
yesterday and was actually giving her adviceor I guess from a medical point of

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view, and what was going on. I felt a little. I felt
very uneasy about that because we're notabout the give medical advice, you know.
Um, But I mean it wasn'tus. There was, but it
was practical. What was coming forthwas practical. It was more or less
like like stay the course and givena timeline when they might uh be fortunate

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to see and improvement in things.And so I you know, I felt
I felt comfortable with what advice wascoming out, but that was a new
one for me. It was alittle uneasy because I said, we're not
about to be you. She followsthat something goes wrong and that was your
fault, you know. But theliability issues, I tell you, I

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have gained so much respect over thelast couple not that I didn't have it
the beginning with, but all thepsychic mediums or people with the various gifts,
um. First off, and Ialways put out, you're very unset
elfish. I mean, I knowfrom a fact how much spirit. Spirit

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takes a little out of me eachtime. And so you know, I
find myself oftentimes a kind of reluctanceto engage with Spirit when I do,
though they spirits always very kind andbeneficial to me. But I find a
little unwillingness of times. But sothere is a told all of this,

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there is a cost. And onthe other hand, I know you guys,
you guys do it with love andrespect, and it's all about this
healing and helping us in our lives, journeys and as a group. I
mean, I've just met so manywonderful, gifted giving individuals involved in that,

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and I want to take your taskfor anything. But but God bless
you guys for having that God's giventhose with that gift, and that they're
willing to engage it on behalf ofus because a lot of people it really
is a very unselfish, loving actto expose yourself um to that. And

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I guess I I a lot oftimes things arise and it's not black and
white. You thought, I guesswith your you've said you've had this gift
since being a young boy. Correctyeah, and you know, the experience
comes a lot of wisdom and alot of practical background. So I guess

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certain situations you may have dealt withmany times in the past. Ye.
Well, you mentioned the medical anduh so I deal with I deal with
the medical aspect of spirit all thetime, especially with pets, because one
of the ways that pets come trueto me to confirm their identity is they

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give me. They make me feelwhat they felt before they passed. So
um, you know, I feltcancer and heart problems and arthritis. And
I'm sitting here typing and I getaches and pains. You know, I'll
get an ache in my right elbowand I know that's their right front leg,
and I have to identify it thatway. Um or if they couldn't

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walk when they have Suddenly, I'llget aches in my lower back like where
the tail would be, and Ihave to write that time. So that's
the way that I confirm, youknow, they share those medical feelings.
So um. And it's really it'skind of strange. And sometimes I am

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you know, as a person,I am hesitant because I'm tight, you
know, I'm typing this up connectingto a dog, and I'm saying,
you know, this is what I'mgetting. I'm not sure if it's right.
And most of the time it's likedead on. It's amazing what spirits
can convey to mediums. So yeah, there's a big aspect of the medical

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thing now. And I know,am I correcting this assumption. We've found
oftentimes, um that I guess becauseof their their innocence, like the pets,
the animals when they their transition overis a much um rapid process than

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us. Is that is that true? Or I know all cases are individual,
but um, it just seems likeoftentimes an animal, an animal might
have to be put down or somethinglike that by its owner, and sometimes
within a couple of days, theowners telling me stories about that they heard

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the particular bark or whatever of theirof their former pet. You know,
it's surrounding and stuff, and it'ssort of already in the process. Zero
truth in that, yes, Soyeah. So generally, um, I
have found that about ninety eight percentof all animals just go right into the
light, they cross overt um.In terms of pets, there's a there's

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an additional reason why they do that, and that is because the spirits of
our loved ones humans are on theother side calling them over. Um.
Even even other pets that preceded themconnected to your family are going to be
waiting there and the light. Thateffect of going crossing over fast that humans

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don't really get is that animals cansense energy much better than people can sense
energy. And animals know when youknow, They know when you're happy,
they know when you're sad. Theycan sense good energy. Well. When
the when the light opens for themfor their spirit to cross over, there's
nothing but love and peace and acceptance. So they go to it because they

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can sense it's a really good placeto go. Humans, on the other
hand, because we tend to bestubborn, we have to think about it,
so it might take us a littlelonger. But that's why pets cross
over a lot faster. So ohthat's cool. So yeah, I mean
that that's just been very impressed onme. When when we actually pretty frequently

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tie into a to a pet oran a pet comes forward. I think
I've mentioned to you we've had oftentimes, um, a lot of times,
it will be a pet from someone'spast that comes forward to sort of start
the process that night. In otherwords, the main event might be of
the union of a child to theirparents that you know they've lost a child,

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but sometimes the first on the firstat the table, if we would
basically say hey, I is toform a pet that they were so close
to, and it just sort ofsets the stage. Or we get a
lot of people who didn't have humanchildren, but you know they have their

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their pet children that have passed andoh I'm missing with some watch. I
don't know if I can go getanother dog. I'd like I love animals,
but I just feel like I wouldbe betraying the one that just passed.
And a lot of times we'll getit whether they'll come through and be
like, no, no, youhave too much love to give. There
are too many pets that on yourside that need it go. I'm almost

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like given the okay to be ableto be replaced on our side. I
this is I don't I don't know, you know, I like recently,
um, I guess we've we've heardin the news some of these barbarous um

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um studies that they they've subjected animalsjust horrors, you know, they with
I know doctor Fauci had that onewhere I guess the poor dogs were literally
being eaten alive by you know,like sand fleas or something like that.
They had the scenario they were Andwhen I when I see like those animals

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sacrificed in that manner in such abarbarous way, I'm not that they're directly
connected to anyone, But is theresome kind of cosmic resource to that or
I mean what, I don't knowthat just particularly that just really bothers me
so much that breathe these animals,just study on them, and the studies

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that they're conducting are really barbaric inhow the animal itself is living. Yeah,
I don't know. I mean,I don't know that you've necessarily had
any connection to that, or ifany animals come forward to you it's been
involved with something like that. Ijust I just wonder because, like you

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said, they are so much loveand light and an innocence and to be
subjected to such a cool death.Yeah. So I had a lot of
things to tell you about that.For first of all, UM, when
before we come here in spirit,we know what's going to happen to us,

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so we either choose this mission orwe don't. UM. So the
ones that chose to come knew thatthey were going to be not have a
good life, but they knew thatit would serve a purpose for betterment of
something, as horrible as it maybe. And that's the way that everybody

(38:54):
should understand what they are dealing within life, is that you know,
before we came here, we chose, we knew what we were going to
go through, as horrible as itmay be, but we chose to do
that because in some way it wouldhelp someone else. UM, it would
give somebody inspiration or would help themcome through things. UM. You know,

(39:17):
I I know that, I doknow that UM beagles were the primary
animal in UM in tests and theyI'm pretty sure they're almost done away with
all of that UM. There arethere is a rescue group that would that
rescue beagles from from that UM.Most of the testing I believe is done

(39:42):
on laboratory rats and mice um UM. So we can take comfort in that.
But but still, I mean,it is, you know, it's
a living thing, and they andwith that info, I mean honestly just
be pushing it. But it soundskind of christ like like they knew coming

(40:04):
into this life they were going tobe living a horrible, painful existence.
To help others and like, likeHolly said, I knew we sort of
had a contractor, but I didn'trealize pets too had that same that same
thing. That's that's comforting. I'mreally glad you expanded on that. Yeah,

(40:24):
no, that that that. Yeah, I mean, it's still horrible
to witness because we're human and that'sthe way we think. On this side.
We just can't help but see thesetrocity and it sickens us. But
we with that clinology, it doestake off a little bit. You know
where where I went to college asI'm sorry, it's okay, yeah,

(40:53):
no, we lost you. Itfroze out for this. Exactly when I
was going to college, we hada one of our professors. It was
not very well liked. He wasinvolved with all kinds of experimentation, various
type. But anyhow, they hadthey had a large Saint Bernard and they

(41:19):
were doing some experiment where they wouldat some point they would bleed out these
animals. And so they bled thisand so it was around the Christmas vacation
and they had bled out this largedog and I guess normally then they would
take the carcasses down and burn themin the ovens, and I guess the
grad students there was we're getting outof here for Christmas. So as a

(41:44):
joe, they took the dog andthey hooked him up to an IV with
like sailine or some fluid, andthey left. And when they came back
after the holidays, Saint Bernard wasup one and all around the lab trash
and everything, and word got outthat they were doing experiments on bringing back

(42:05):
the dead, and he got intoa lot of trouble, this professor and
stuff. And I remember when thatstory got out, everybody was sort of
glad. It was sort of likekarma, you know, coming back on
his professor. But yeah, thatis bizarre, it is I guess,

(42:30):
well, no, no, Well, the spling, you know, the
spling, just like in a human, the spling can absorb you know,
over half your blood volumes. Soas long as they put the fluid in
to regain it, the dog's bloodsupply was probably restored in short order.
Now I'm not saying it wasn't damaged, done you know, organs or whatever,

(42:50):
but in other words, uh,it was sort of done as a
joke, but it went back,it went backwards. Yeah, we didn't
have much use for that guy anyhow, but let me let me follow up
here. Um. He was alsoin his books, Rob saying he teaches

(43:13):
people how to protect themselves. Thisis between from the ghosts, what ghosts
can do, what spirits do,and signs to look for. Um and
let me one through these. Uh. Rob's got for everyone out there and
we'll post these up. He's gotan Instagram page, he's got um,

(43:37):
he's got Facebook one. He's gotFacebook two winter account. So he's oh,
here's one pet spirits dot com.There's one and then there's Rob dot
Tom. So well they go tothe same place. Okay, okay,
because people can't spell my last name, so I also got pet Spirits totters,

(43:58):
and I can I can approach thatI was David Heiney for many a
year. Okay, Mom has beenlike I said. In addition to the
pets, Rob has been over toEurope and involved I remember you told us
the last time about the Tower Londonand experience your head. Yeah, a

(44:19):
great story. You mind of accountingthat for the audience, Oh no,
not at all. So and soI've written a couple I just published my
second book on the on a mediumsVacation series. So I have three series
going. So I have pets inthe Afterlife series, on the Mediums Vacation
series and then Ghosts and Spirits series. So on a Mediums Vacation UM is

(44:43):
uh England and in that book wevisited the Tower of London Um. The
Tower of London used to be apalace, if you will, and then
it became a prison. I havea number of different different purposes and actually

(45:04):
at one point in time it wasactually a zoo, believe it or not.
But when it was a prison,there were a lot of people kept
in these towers. There are anumber of towers. Although it's called the
Tower of London, it's not reallyabout one tower. It's a it's about
the structure, and the structure itselfhas a lot of towers. So in
one particular tower we it's called asalt tower. We we went up to

(45:31):
the door. It was a bigwooden door, and we pushed the door
open and we felt a very strongvibration and we heard a humming. We
once we walked into the room,the humming stopped, but there was nothing

(45:52):
there to explain the humming. Allthat was in the middle of the room
was just a lightbulb. So whatI came to conclude, and we both
heard it and there was nothing inthe room but stone and one light bulb,
so there was nothing to cause that. So what I concluded was that
we actually walked in as a ghostwas using a portal to transport themselves from

(46:17):
the tower, that particular tower,the Salt Tower, to another part of
the Tower of London structure. Andit was really strange because we heard the
humming it was like a generator.Actually felt like we were right next to
a generator, but there was nothingthere. So as soon as we walked
in, walked in, bam,it was over. Now curious because we've

(46:39):
had other guests who've experienced various portals, have you ever they were telling us
how using different equipment, including usinga Giger counter that they have done,
like want us test in the physiologicmakeup, temperature and various things of an

(47:00):
area. The fact that there wasno radiation and then having experienced a port
or, like you said, thiskind of activity, they've measured posts and
they've gotten you know, there's numberones. There's a significant change physically in
that limited environment where something occurred,whether it's radiation levels. Well, yeah,

(47:27):
a bunch of different things. Anyother things have you have you ever?
I know, because I know youhave a group that you work with
two, especially being a meteorologist,that would be something I would think would
be right up here. Yeah,yeah, yeah. So the team,
the team I belong to Inspired ghostTracking, UM. They're actually this is

(47:47):
a book about their case files,Case Files have Inspired ghost Tracking UM.
In that particular book, it's allabout paranormal investigations that we've been on and
I've been on with them, UM, And they use all kinds of equipment.
They used digital thermometers, the digitalrecorders, the interred cameras, the
high speed cameras, ultra violet ghostboxes, everything and anything they use.

(48:10):
I just go in and I usemy head because of my medium, so,
you know, just wait for themto tell them. I like that
because no equipment necessary. Right.Well, here's a question from one of
our viewers. Does stone absorb energy? Sure? Yeah. As a matter

(48:30):
of fact, every single structure absorbsemotional energy. So that's why. That's
why when you go into a place, what you do is you bring your
emotional energy and it adds to theenergy that's has has seeped into the walls
of a structure and it brings itout. So that's when you see maybe

(48:52):
somebody crossing a stairway because there wasa residual imprint of somebody that had done
that and it was a very significantmoment in their life, or it was
a happy moment, or it's avery tragic moment, and that imprint that
they left in there just comes backout because you are adding your energy back
into that structure. Um, letme ask you a question. We have

(49:15):
a situation which we believe to beso at the Hoover House where spirit has
told us where one of our portalsis. It's probably the most active one,
and we've got a lot of stuffup there. But it seems that
for the most of the time thatwe have it's sort of like a father

(49:39):
daughter combinations connected with the house.The original builder and the owner of the
house with his daughter. They seeboth passed away in the house. Yeah,
they both passed away in the house. Okay, fourteen years apart.
But anyhow, it seems like whenwe'll question the spirits like that are there

(50:01):
that night want to come through,most of them have been, for lack
of a better word, vetted bythe owner's name's era or his daughter.
And if they don't approve of theirsort of energy signature, they don't allow
then they don't allow them in.Have you is that? And and and

(50:23):
they've actually come and told us thatit's not only to preserve the positive energy
of their home, to take usas well because we've bought their home.
They like what we're doing, theylike our energy, and they want us
to to succeed and make their home. And we're not really talking necessarily here

(50:43):
about something that's evil or very long. Sometimes it's just that bringing that energy
through to the table is too traumaticto someone at the table, and it's
not meant to be Like you said, this is supposed to be healing and
uniting and it's not meant to bedividing or upsetting. So sometimes that blockage

(51:08):
has happened, not because to shareit, just to to the person's not
ready at that time to receive thatspirit. And we even had in the
past, we had somebody who hada table with an energy and they wanted
to know bring it to the houseto see if we could find out what

(51:30):
that energy was, who that spiritwas. And we're getting nothing And Finally
we flipped over to one of ourregular tables and as it was either the
owner comes right through and he goes, get that table out of my damn
house. It had it had somebad energy with it. It wanted it

(51:51):
out of the house, and itdidn't even want us to put it on
the back parking lot of the problemsoff the predaces. So we actually it
had to contact John Zappas who showedus or told us how to properly salt
the table and connected with the ground, and we did up and then get
rid of it and after a coupleof days, basically it helped, I

(52:14):
guess neutralize whatever that energy was.Now, I don't know if it worked
or not, because the guy ultimatelygave that table to someone just gave he
said, look, I don't wantit in my house, just you take
it, and they said, yeah, you take it, and then they
supposedly had a connection with it,and everything was sort of cool, but

(52:36):
then something pretty bad happened to theperson. Yeah, and so I don't
know, I don't know that itwas necessarily neutralized, but anyhow it had
blocked that energy from coming forth.And we also had another really neat experiment
a guest of ours from a coupleof weeks ago. Bob Um he he

(53:02):
had been connected with the people atthe Conjuring House up in Rhode Island,
you know that made the movie andall that, and he was some really
interesting stories about that. It's avery there's a very strong deceiving energy connected
about all of that. And Iwould be willing to say, probably for

(53:23):
the first time in the over twodecades I've been in the field, that's
probably the first time I'm willing tosay an evil energy. Yeah, I
mean, it's it's very questionable.Its like I said, it's it's definitely
deceiving. And he was relating there'sa lot of personal experience and so he
had told us in advance, Idon't I don't know if I've been able

(53:45):
to clear this energy. I mean, it still may be attached to me.
I've been working on it. ShouldI not show up. And my
partner in all of this, Steve, he had a very clear message that
he was to come. So hesaid, no, you're supposed to come
down here, come down. Sowhen he did, Stephen had a severe

(54:07):
heart attack years ago. He actuallydied three times. They hadn't went to
paddle so many times they burned ahole in his back. But so that's
this connection to the other side,so sometimes they speak to him. But
anyhow, as we were going todo a session, you could see on

(54:28):
Steve's face and this other guy,you know, like they said, great,
get off the table right away.It was this I guess there was
something from this attachment trying to comethrough, and they knew the danger and
we got off right away. Andthen it was just a matter of but
two or three minutes when a strongpositive energy produced itself and I knew now

(54:53):
I picked right up on that,and he identified himself with the name Invictus
and basically reassured this individual that thisenergy is gone, it will not bother
him. And yeah, basically sayingI took care of it, and I
took care of it, but withthe warning that her or see, we

(55:16):
should never ever set foot on thatproperty up in Moode Island. But it
wound up this was his spirit guy. Yeah, it was a spirit guy
that came forward very apparently. Itwas a pretty high level energy that it
when it came through. It wasn'tlike, look I've um I've kept it

(55:37):
at bay or I've gotten it unattached. He came through when it was like
it's gone, and do you havea neat story? Is advanced forward like
two months and from that night thingsjust started turning around. It's really positive
for this individual business ventures. Uhthey have a but yeah, just everything

(55:58):
really turned around. So I guessthe proof into putting, you know,
but it was really that was soimpressive. I actually documented and you could
see on his face the relief ofknowing that this thing was going. And
you know, if you're somebody who'snot in our feeling, doesn't really believe

(56:21):
or as maybe skeptical, now youcould tell in this guy's face he was
just like wow, I just said, you could see you just felt so
much lighter. But we feel,no, we may be off base with
this, but we we feel veryblessed that we've got something real special going
on where we have this early detectionwinning system or something trying to keep the

(56:49):
integrity, and we've promised Spirit youknow that we we will make we will
do nothing to offend Spirit, nothingto put them in a in an awkward
place, so to speak. Andalso you know, sort of like a
symbiotic relationship. They also we foundthey rely on us too, truthfulness and

(57:12):
whatnot. I mean, I guessit only works that both of us are
honest and a forward with each other. And it's very humbling on a personal
level that they trust us to thatextent. I think I'm really interested when
you come into the Hoover House tosee how you pick up on our I

(57:34):
don't know why I haven't bothered tillnow to look up what invictus means.
Invictus in Latin means unconquerable, unconquerable. Yeah, so no, wonder it
came through. It was like,Yeah, that dude's gone, he's out
of I don't worry about him anymore. That was That was a new That
was a very unique experience. We'veyou know, we've had some spirit guides

(58:00):
whatever present, but nothing like that, and nothing so quickly. And I'm
I'm suited. I can sense negativeenergies, but I'm sort of oblivious to
them where I could get bloodsided byhim because I'm so I keep much stronger
with the high vibrations. All right, Well, Bob's bobbing going that guys

(58:23):
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joining us. There is and let'ssee if I can um, let's see,
I don't know, fucking save yourimage. He's trying to bring in

(01:02:42):
the fund the cover of the onebook be able to put it on.
Yeah, okay, yes, thenew book is called uh Ghosts of the
Birdcage Theater on a Medium's vacation andum, well your were your that up.
I'll tell you a little funny storythat I have not had a mustache

(01:03:04):
in I don't know ten years,but I grew it specifically for this book.
This is kind of a this isthe cover, but um so back
in nineteen ninety three, when Isaw the movie Tombstone, I developed a
curiosity about Wyatt Earp and Doc Holiday. And over the course of the last

(01:03:32):
I don't know, ten or twentyyears, I traveled around the country to
every place that Wyatt Earp and DocHoliday lived, and I cataloged stuff and
I wrote all of this stuff down. I was hoping to write a book
about wid Earp, but there areso many books about wide Arp there's no
need for another one. Instead,I put I finally put some of that

(01:03:55):
to you. So Tombstone is oneof the place that wide Arp lived.
There we go screen too. Okay, I'm sorry, continue, I'm just
but yeah, so it's on Amazon. Um So, so anyway, I've

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been to Tombston. I went toTombstone in nineteen ninety four, and when
I went, I decided to umto go. I went with a friend
and we decided to make it amore fun trip. We were dress up
as Wider and Doc Holiday and that'sthe way we toured Tombstone for the very
first time. So when we didthat, uh, you know, we

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took pictures all over the place andon the cover of the book. UM
that is um the cover of thebook is actually me from nineteen ninety four,
dressed up as Wider outside the BirdcageTheater Um. I also befriended the
gentleman that manages the Birdcage Theater.His name is Billy, and I've stayed

(01:05:03):
friends with him since nineteen ninety four. We came back. I came back
in twenty nineteen on a short tripto see my friend out there, and
I took him to the Birdcage Theater. We decided to go on the ghost
tour. Now, the Birdcage Theaternever had a ghost tour back in the
nineteen nineties, but there's so manyghosts there that people have reported that they

(01:05:26):
decided to have a ghost tour,and that said it was It's two hours
they offered seven days a week,and it's well worth it. You guys
would love it. I know Iwould. Yeah, I'm telling you you
would not be disappointed. So I'vebeen in there. Just to preface this,

(01:05:47):
in nineteen ninety four. When Ifirst went there, my abilities were
not developed. Granted, I hadseen my grandfather in back when I was
a kid, but I never focusedon my abilities until two thousand and five,
and I hadn't been back to Tombstoneuntil then, soum. So when
I went back and went on theghost tour, it was crazy. It's

(01:06:12):
like the floodgates open and I didn'texpect it. And my friend that came
with me, by the way,has never had a paranormal experience. And
and and Jim, when he wentin those two hours, not only did
he see an apparition, he alsophotographed one in a mirror, and both

(01:06:33):
of those are in the book.I had a sketch the one that he
saw because I saw it too brieflyright after he said who is that?
And we thought it was actually somebodyin the group, but it wasn't.
Everybody was seated, so we knewit was a ghost. So he's in
the book as well. But Iran into eleven ghosts in there, and

(01:07:00):
they were all they The tour guide, the docent confirmed every single one of
them. Every single one of themhas been confirmed or reported by somebody else
on a previous tour or something orthe employees. Um. And of course
I didn't know any of that,but um, but that was really cool.
So for the ones, for theones that I saw that I could

(01:07:23):
remember a detail I actually did sketchesof them. I liked. I liked
to sketch. So, um,I'll hold up a picture right here to
the camera. You can probably seethis. This is my sketch of being
shot against the wall. Um.And so the birdcage was was constructed in

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the eighteen eighties. Jim, Ithink you're muted. Yeah, there we
go. Okay, just a Davehas injured his arm at work and so
he's actually I'm gonna take his home. He's actually the hospital was like half

(01:08:11):
a mile from here, so he'sactually going up to the emergency. Oh
no, as we speak, Yeah, I don't. He's done. He's
done something to himself. It's justreally hurt for him to be down.
So that's cool. Well, well, well you and I'll take it in
Holy Cow. Okay. Always excitement. Yeah, there's always something, isn't

(01:08:33):
there. Um, So I cangive you a little a little bit of
history of the bird cage, yeah, because it's kind of interesting. I
mean, so I jumped back tothe town of Tombstone. Hasn't always been
there, it was, it wasformed, it was developed in in uh

(01:08:55):
eighteen, eighteen seventies. There wasa there was a silver miner in the
desert of Arizona who was looking forsilver. He was looking for a silver
strike, and um, he wentup to a fort. I think it's
Fort had Chaka. I'm not sureI'm pronouncing that correctly. But he told
the soldiers what he was doing outthere in the desert, and and they

(01:09:18):
said, the only thing you're goingto find out here is your tombstone.
So when he met when he struckthe first silver load, he named the
mine Tombstone. From then on,everybody streamed into the tombstone area because they
wanted a piece of you know,the mind. So so they built up

(01:09:39):
a town around it. And asit turned as it turned out, it
was extremely busy and it got verypopulated very fast. Um they even had
tent cities outside of the city.They couldn't build stuff fast enough. And

(01:10:00):
it became very very well known.But but there was a lot of bad
people that also went after things,you know, with guns, of course,
and there was a lot of deaths. I understand that the death rate
was higher there than like in moderncities like New Orleans, So it was

(01:10:21):
pretty bad. So there's a lotof dead people who were murdered there,
and some of them were murdered inthe Birdcage Theater. So the Birdcage Theater
opened in the early eighteen eighties andit was a place where they had live
shows, they had they had gambling. Uh, there's prostitution. There's all

(01:10:44):
kinds of things going on in theBirdcage Theater and it was a saloon.
So so right there, that isa big cocktail of residual paranormal energy.
You know. So with this yearit's that you were encountering me. Would
you say most of those of residualsresidual energies or were some of them,

(01:11:09):
um there by choice? Um,ninety percent were intelligent haunts. They were
there by choice, which was outunbelievable. Yeah. Yeah. The big
residual energy that that um I encounteredwas, um, we heard we heard

(01:11:33):
a bunch of people what sounded likea bunch of people sitting in front of
the stage, um, waiting fora show to begin. That's what we
heard. And there was nobody elsein the in the place. So the
bird Cage Theater has has become amuseum, of course, came a museum
a long time ago, and um, so it's filled with artifacts from the

(01:11:55):
eighteen eighties, and during the ghosttour, you know, they taking the
lobby, then they take you intowhat was the theater's seating area, and
then you go behind the stage behindthe curtain, and then you go downstairs
where all the gambling used to takeplace, and then there's these what's called
cribs there with the prostitutes used todo their work. Um. So,

(01:12:17):
and that's the tour, and thenthey come back and they sit you behind
the stage for an hour, turnoff all the lights, and then you
can ask questions, you know,to whatever ghosts are there, if there
are. Format. Yeah, it'sit's really it's a fantastic format because and

(01:12:39):
everybody gets something different. So sowhen we were seated at tables backstage in
the dark, was dead quiet,no pun intended um. Um. That's
when we heard what sounded like abig crowd on the other side of the
curtain, on the front side ofthe curtain, and there was of course

(01:13:00):
nobody there, so that we knewthat, you know, that was residual.
Um. But I had a numberof ghosts, intelligent haunts, share
their pain of death with me,which was really, uh, it was
kind of un nerving. Um,you know, I said I felt pain

(01:13:26):
of death before. So if youhad mediums on it have talked about how
they experienced. Um, I don'tthink we've touched that. No, I'd
really if you would expand on that, that's that's excellent. Yeah, sure
so. I earlier we talked abouthow pets will share their you know,
their feelings with me, like Ifelt masses in my in my chest,

(01:13:46):
I felt arthritis and and so forth. Um, I felt cancer. But
it's very rare that I've felt shot. Um. When I was in England,
I felt a sword go right throughmy shoulder and I will never forget
that because it was so real thatit it forced me to my knees.

(01:14:12):
I think I was. I thinkI was in Hampton Court Palace when that
happened. Um. That's in theGhost of England book. But Birdcage Theater,
oh man, there were quite anumber of shootings in the Birdcase Theater.
I think there are there are stillone hundred and forty something bullet holes
in the structure, like you cansee them in the ceiling when you walk

(01:14:34):
in, and you can see themin different parts of the what's now the
museum in the walls. Um.So you know you really did a few
When they say the wild wild West, Man, that's the center of it.
I've got to get your book youread about It's it's it's fantastic.

(01:14:55):
I've only once, i think,experienced something simil little what. We were
doing a table tipping session and itwas one of our neighbors near the near
the Hoover House, and he wasthere with his girlfriend and there were two
female, strong female spirits vying toget through to communicate with his girlfriend.

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And the one finally came forward andevidently she had they had shared a secret
in high school and she wanted tomake sure it was still a secret.
The funniest thing is when they comethrough on that kind of session, it's
no longer secret. Everybody knows whatthe heck who was about. But we

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reassured him, yeah, it's stilla secret. But anyhow, the real,
the real horror inns. All ofa sudden, I felt myself like
ripped into my mid section, justlike I was like somebody grabbed one side
thro the gug and just pulled meapart, and I screamed, I mean
it just like I almost felt likeit had been cut in half. And

(01:16:05):
I screamed and jumped up from thetable and I was done. I mean,
I never got back on the table. It took a couple hours for
the pain to subside. As itturned out, just about ten days earlier,
we had had a horrible accident onInterstate eighty one where the car coming

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down the one way it had lostcontrol going through the medium strip, had
flipped and this individual had been thrownout of the car into the oncoming traffic
and was actually hit by a coupleof trucks and just put the pieces and
it was her And we didn't evenknow that, And so I don't know

(01:16:49):
why. I guess it was aform of identifying who it was or what.
But that that that's That's really aboutthe only really negative thing I've had
table tipping. But it was.It was extremely painful, and U uh,

(01:17:12):
I just you know, so Ican understand to some degree what being
shot would be like, Yeah,it was. If there were reasons,
is there a reason they want topresent to us about how they died,
I mean, what's I guess that'sa real significant part of their life,

(01:17:34):
right yeah, um, well,and it's certainly the end of it.
Yeah, So the reason they dothat is kind of why why pets convey
their medical feelings, their physical feelings, and that is to prove their identity.
They want to prove who they are. They want they also want to

(01:17:55):
tell They want us living people totell their story so that they that other
people can be careful. And wegotta we got to gather. Yeah,
we have the same issue here ar. Two dogs are are in the room
with me, but there so that'sa way of them identifying yourself that in

(01:18:24):
Gatinsburg. And we're getting a freezehere, yep, we gotta free Okay.
I don't know why that freezes upsometimes, but we're good now.
So I was just saying that somebodyin your ear chat says that she she

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was she felt shot twice in Gatsburg. So um colled, she's a frequent
uh uh supporter. She can.Can you tell if people have an spirit
animal? Yes, okay, yeahI can, Um, that's yeah.

(01:19:05):
And here's here's the thing is thatwith spirit animals, they usually are animals
that we had in the physical andwhen they transition, they sometimes become our
spirit animal. So that happened withme and my dog buzz Um. So

(01:19:27):
we're he's right here. Behind me. This picture of Buzz on the cover
of Pets in the After like one. He's a wine mariner. He was
the puppy that car yeah, intwo thousand and five, and he reawakened
my abilities as a medium, andhe he also enabled me to communicate with
pets. So he is actually myspirit animal. He's a spirit guide,

(01:19:49):
if you will. So, yeah, people have different different pretations of spirit
animal and spirit guide, but Ilook at him as both. And I
think from from an earlier segment youhad told us that, Um, well,

(01:20:15):
we've already discussed how in so manyways they can protect us and give
us direction and guide us and stuffin choices and that that we make.
And now we've often thought too,and I guess it's all the power of
spirit is um, just like ouranimals understand us in life. You know,

(01:20:41):
they're not speaking, but when wesay various things, the animals know
what we're relating to. Is thatsimilar the communication we have with them afterlife
or is it more just like adirect transmission of thought? Well, they

(01:21:03):
could certainly influence us to do thingsand um and guide us so um,
so they really do like humans,they protect us from the other side Um,
has there ever been a case whereum, And well, I guess

(01:21:26):
that sort of defies the nature ofthem as spirit. I was going to
ask if there's ever been a casewhere an animal spirit has negatively projected on
someone to this side or cause problemsor issues. But I guess that's sort
of been direct conflict with what they'reall about when in it I make Does

(01:21:51):
that question make sense? Yeah?They yeah, it does, But that
would be kind of um, makingthem into a human yes, really exactly,
yes, yeah, yeah, ananthropmore promorphizing them. So what Basically,

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all animals are pure of heart untilman corrupts them, and it's only
man that corrupt them. Um.But people, on the other hand,
are different. Um. So ifyou know, like I've always said,
if you're a good person in life, you're a good person in death.

(01:22:40):
If you're a jerk in life,you're gonna be a jerk in death.
And and you know, and eventuallyyou'll learn on the other side then you
need to stop behaving that way.But usually once right after people pass,
they still you know, they maintaintheir their personalities and their memories and their
habits and so forth, so theycan still even in spirit. They can

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still acts misbehave. UM. Thecaveat to that, though, Jim,
is that ghosts, because they don'tcross over, they can always be bad
people as ghosts. They don't havethat learning until they cross over. UM,

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something to think about it. Yeah, yeah, I know that.
I know that just we've had LikeI said, I know a lot of
times I'm blabbering on about things we'veexperienced at the Hoover House. But I

(01:23:48):
guess for me, like you said, it's sort of an awakening when you
with with your puppy and he sortof took it to another level with your
mediumship and stuff. Um, wethat's sort of where we've been too.
I mean I sort of look atour early adventures and when we were going
at we're out there investigating haunted locationsand you know, you get an EVP

(01:24:12):
here are Sam Oh, it's allthrilling and stuff like that. But then
sort of the look back and whereyou're at now, and then we're sort
of really thirsting for that direct communication, for messages for instruction about Um the
other side, I know that Itotally agree that the spirit loves to recount

(01:24:36):
its stories. They're very proud ofwhat they were in life um and and
the good works they did and theycan still relate to them. Is that,
you know, I always wondered,when you get to the other side,
and as you evolve and as youget um send the spiritual play,

(01:25:01):
if you still connect with your baseyou know, I often relate it to
the experience of we know by theage we're at at some point in our
lives, we were four and fiveyears old. But what do we remember
we were four and five years old? Virtually nothing. We know we were
that age at some point. AndI often wondered if in transitioning to the

(01:25:28):
other side, if it isn't asimilar structure where you know, as we
learn more and as we become morespiritual, as we ascend various levels.
I guess it's possible we've still retainedall of our base values and knowledge or

(01:25:50):
I don't, or do we losetouch with that? Do you think to
some extent now now we maintain that. Okay, we just we just grow
and improve on the other side inspirit. But that opportunity now we have
found, and I don't know ifthis is consistent. Sometimes we found that

(01:26:13):
people were illiterate while they were alive, and so sometimes we'll have the spirit
go through the alphabet and be ableto convey letters like starting its name,
spell it's name out, but that'san issue if the person never knew how
to spell and so they oftentimes theyknow their name verbalized and they can affirm

(01:26:40):
that. But sometimes we have issueswith them asking them to convey a letter
when they were not conversing in thatsense. Does that make sense? So
one way around that is to ask, yeah, it does. So what
way around that is to ask themto bring in somebody in spirit to help

(01:27:01):
them, okay, because that's whatpets do actually on the other side,
So pets will ask a human spiritto help, like move a coin for
someone to find so or a livingperson to find so that with and the
coin will usually have the year thatthe pet was born or the pet past.

(01:27:23):
But they need a human who knowsthat the coin is to help them
out. So you can always askfor help from the other side. You
know what, We've done something Idon't know if you've ever heard heard of
this, probably have, but wehave had a few cases where someone has
passed and they're looking for someone onthe other side. They can't find them,

(01:27:46):
so sometimes they seem to come throughevery single session just for a brief
period, just because they sort ofwant to know that we're looking for that
individual. And so when we've adoptedhere lately, we'll get into some of
those harmonic resonances where they use thebowls and the sounds and we'll sort of

(01:28:10):
use it as a homing beacon,you know. We'll just play it on
a tape and the table can dois slow like circular motion, just you
know, like it's biting time,and sometimes that could be fifteen twenty minutes
or so. And then when itseems to you know, trigger in or

(01:28:30):
get the person bring them back,then that action stops and oftentimes the person
is now there and we're able tojoin this couple or whatever. Have you
ever heard of anything like that beforeor tried something like that, Not with
the bowl, certainly, you know, no, but I we have Actually

(01:28:51):
when we try to cross people overand Ted's over, once we open a
portal to the other side, wealways connect the energies to human or other
pets who have passed and there andwe ask them for help, and they
because we want help, they alwayscome. Well that you know, that's

(01:29:13):
something. Wow, that's good.That that's it. That's helpful information because
I don't think we've tried employing petssometimes to find that. You'd think,
you know, dogs are so goodat finding Um. Oh, that's that's
a neat idea. I think we'regoing to have to try that sometimes soon.
Um yep. But see it worked. See what any questions here?

(01:29:40):
UM? I know Holly who advantagehelp post this up? Um. Holly
was over Gettersburg one time. She'sactually working with some authorities where a person
has been shot, and she pickedup She picked up not only feeling shot
both shots, but she also therewas a question of concerning whether or not

(01:30:03):
after the first shot, whether theguy engaged. I clicked it back to
fire a second shot, and sheremembered hearing that audio sound as well,
so she was able to notify theauthorities. I guess it was it was
demonstrating intent on the person who hadcommitted the crime that you know, it

(01:30:26):
was more of a deliberate in theaction and stuff. She's a she's a
very gifted lady. She's up inKane, Pennsylvan It's about three hours north
of here, and she's down herefor a lot of a lot of various
venues and stuff we have. Sofor this UM May fourteenth, like I

(01:30:50):
said, I'm going to get togetherwith Pam. We're going to uh we'll
probably try to maybe have a fewother um individuals involving a sort of like
a more of a little open houseand rules um uh sort of keynote you
as a presenter and sort of builda luncheon in and all that. So

(01:31:12):
it'll be a nice relaxed atmosphere anduh um we we've really had some good
success with the community. Um.They really embraced us, which has been
uh very Yeah. I think you'llhave a really good time. I do,
and you'll you'll pick up on theflavor up here. We we were

(01:31:34):
already connecting with a point a fewof the spirits in town, and there's
some very interesting um uh. Ourlittle town was actually on Hitler's list to
be bombed if he ever, ifhe had ever had the bombers I could
get over the United States. Thistown was sanctioned for bombing at the Chairman

(01:31:59):
LOOPWI because we had a company intown that in that period was responsible for
like half of the refrigeration units inthe United States. So it's crippled that
entire industry, and they were puttingthe refrigeration units on the battleships and aircraft

(01:32:19):
carriers and all that. So youcan see where knocking that out would have
been real key. So I havehere I'm going to read. Like we
said, Rob's latest book was Ghostsof the Birdcage Theater on a Medium's Vacation,

(01:32:41):
and I think I'm going to pickthat up. To me, that
sounds really fat. I love theOld West. Then I think one of
your first one was Pets in theAfterlife, and he's had I think three
editions of that, is that correct? I have this is number one behind
me. This is the number twoover here on this side, and Pets

(01:33:03):
in the after like three is aboutdogs, messages from spirit dogs, so
that one exclusive. These two takefrom the other side, and more yea
and then um yea. Then thenyou have lessons learned from talking to the
dead. So this would be moreon the the huge the former human spirits.

(01:33:27):
Um, it's all about humans.Yeah, And it's that's a question
and answer the guide to the paranormal. So all questions you may have about
the paranormal. I try to answerthem with examples of cases that we're on
very good. Then we have,um, ghosts and Spirits explained similarities and
differences. So um, again,we we just touched it on it topically,

(01:33:54):
but uh, it's a it's areal critical difference. I really sort
of. I try to avoid ghosts. We always refer to our energies as
spirits, and I think they likethat in the form of respect. Um.
Then we have in counter to thatbook that you just mentioned. Yeah,

(01:34:20):
the Ghosts and Spirits books mentioned hasa couple of really cool stories that
people will relate to. One ofthem is when I lived in a haunted
house when I was in when Iwent back to college for a third time
and I didn't know it was haunted. And the other one is how my
dad, after he passed, helpedprove to help proved that he would was

(01:34:45):
at his own funeral and his ownwake, and he helped me prove it
to my mother and my brothers.So that's a fascinating story for anyone who's
lost to loved one or and helived in a haunted house. Those are
just two examples of stories in there, but a lot more. Now,
when that happened, I'm assuming yousaw your father at his funeral or did
did you see your father at hisfuneral? Can I ask where? Where?

(01:35:12):
Where did he present? Because I'veheard from that Mary Anne was Nowski.
I think she was the technical advisorfor that that one CBS ghost show
years ago. I talked to her. I mean she, oh, did
he's a neat lady, really neatlady. M And she she had told

(01:35:34):
me. And again, I don'tknow if this is consistent. I have
not um, I've not seen anyof my friends or associates at their at
their funerals. But she said oftentimesthe person presented sort of at the foot
of the coffin from where they werelying. Except nowadays, okay, said

(01:35:58):
she said, nowadays, you knowpeople will do tributes, these little filming
tributes that'll show you know, significantperiods in a person's life and as a
continuous salute. So she says,nowadays they often seen look you get the
highlights on that continuous loop. Yeah, I believe that. I would tell

(01:36:23):
you that my mother was at herown wake in the funeral too. And
this is actually kind of funny.You'll get a kick out of this.
My mother was I mentioned, shewas Italian. She was very meticulous about
her appearance. Even when she waseighty five years old, she always had
makeup on every day. She alwaysat her hair, She had lipstick on
all the time, even to goput the garbage out. She want to

(01:36:46):
be seen without it. So ather wake, when I went over her
her casket, I was standing thereand I heard her say, they didn't
darken my eyebrows, not enough?Can you fix my eyebrows? Because I
don't look at and I burst Ican burst out laughing. And my husband

(01:37:08):
walked over to me, He goes, is your mother here? What's what
is she saying? And I toldhim and he just he just laughed and
he said, oh, yeah,that's her. And that's another way of
identity. My knowing your mother andthe way she is, that's another way
of proving that someone's identity. It'sfunny my wife has made me. We've

(01:37:31):
been married. This year will beforty forty seven years, so we're closing
in on the fifty. And she'spromised me if she ever gets to a
point where she can't take care ofherself, that I will see then her
hair is done up, her nailsare done up. In other ways,
she always wants to be presented ina proper being, you know. So

(01:37:57):
that's that's the one of the questionshe's at. I don't think I'm gonna
have to worry about it. ISpirits already sort of told me I'm gonna
be proceeding her, which is alot safer for me. Oh my question.
But anyhow, so I totally getwhere your mother's coming from now.
Marian also told me though that youknow how like it's a summer, you're

(01:38:24):
looking at the road surface in thisthe heat comes off the road, it
creates like wavy lines and stuff likethat. She told me. She said,
next, when you go to afuneral like it, sometimes get the
coffer and sort of take your eyesout of focus, so you're looking like
you're sort of blurn amount of focusor contact. And she says, look

(01:38:45):
at the base of that coffin area, and she says, don't see if
you see like these wavy lines andwhatnot. And she says, if you
do, that's the energy of theperson. For what it's worth. I
remember that she gave me that advice, but I have not been successful.

(01:39:06):
Now. We did a recent experiencemy sisters m X passed away unfortunately,
due to COVID this past October.And they had one child and turned out
to be his only child, anephew of mine. And they were they

(01:39:26):
were, they were good pals andothers. He was. He was sort
of like a good time Charlie.He'd take his son on these really neat
vacations and that they'd fish and dosports. He was. He was involved
with Marriott and h scheduled a lotof the big events for him. And
anyhow, when he died, hehas been really active um and so we

(01:39:51):
were at the we were at hismemorial service if they were hosting it,
that Marriott, And while there,he come through and lit on me and
had he had a real message oflove and support for his son, my
nephew, and he come in andoh man, it hit me like a

(01:40:13):
ton of bricks. So I'm sittingthere losing it and my wife's looking at
me, going like, what's thematter with you? And I said,
I'm trying to hold it together,and she says, You're doing a lousy
job. And anyhow, he hadgiven me this message that then I did
relate to my sister and she wasable in the proper moment to give her

(01:40:36):
son and it was a message ofsupport, and he he left his son
in very good position financially, sohe's had he's had his own challenges,
but you know from basically the messagewas that he could do better influence for
his son from the other side thanhe couldn't hear, he he had kidney

(01:41:01):
disease and his kidneys were he hadhad a transplant already and it was coming
to an end, so his overallhealth would have been greatly diminished. And
there's not a lot he could havedone for his son if he'd stayed here
in mortality. So by um andwe knew while he was in the hospital
and while things were up in theair, sort of really felt dialed in,

(01:41:26):
like decisions were being made whether ornot he would come back or whether
he'd just go on. Yeah anduh, And basically what he wanted to
say was why he had chose togo on, And he was really out
of love and uh for his sonand all that, and he wanted he

(01:41:46):
wanted to make sure his son knewthat. So you can imagine how to
bust you. Yeah, Like Isaid, I have the move profound respect
for you guyss. What you dois because I said you know, I'm
just I'm just this clot out they'regetting hit on, and sometimes I don't

(01:42:11):
fully understand, you know, I'mjust trying to put things in motion.
I'm just learning how to ground myselfproperly. Yeah, that's something all you
guys can you can you offer upsome suggestions for sure proper grounding and all
that, because I'm certainly all ears. Yeah sure we yeah, we have

(01:42:32):
to do it all the time.Actually, so um, so we can.
There are a couple of things youcan, like say, a prayer
of protection, and it doesn't haveto be a religious prayer. Um.
You could just be you know,calling on nature to send you energy and
protect you. Um. You canuse different um, different kinds of crystals

(01:42:54):
or rocks and so forth that havedifferent energies. I would encourage it a
little bit like the one you're wearing. Um yep Um. What we do
sometimes too, is before we goon a paranormal investigation, knowing that there's
ghosts in a house, is thatwe will we will hold on to a
tree and then we will ground ourselvesto the tree and the energy from the

(01:43:14):
earth will help protect us. Sothose are different ways. And usually after
after a session, Like after yourtable tipping sessions, you might want to
have a piece of chocolate because thatelevate your endorphin levels and also makes you
feel good, protects the body withpositive energy. Yeah, that that's sort
of weird. Sometimes, like generallywhen we cross someone over, that takes

(01:43:40):
a lot of energy, and soI generally feel the effects to that the
next day. Um, sometimes likeyesterday night, when it's sort of more
healing and connecting and all that,not so much. I feel pretty good
today for such a long session.But we actually we have actually crossed a

(01:44:01):
victim of the Holocaust once. Andyou talk about starting from a position of
absolute darkness, I mean there wasthere was no perception of any love,
light, energies, anything, Andit took about two hours and uh,
and we actually caught on some angelsand that to help us so that the

(01:44:26):
person could start to pick up andsee some positive energies and we were able
to do it. It was aboy that that took me back a couple
of days to get over that one. That was Yeah, that was rough,
but it takes it takes a lot. Yeah, it's so like I
said, I'm learning and then someonetold me, Um, water is a

(01:44:49):
good a good vehicle for and sothey said sometimes maybe after especially if we
have something like that, maybe totake a shower. Yeah, we do
that. True. Yeah, SoI tell me, I'm so tired that
the hell I want to do isgo to bed. So I'm gonna have
to force myself in the shower.Well, just if somebody holds you down.

(01:45:13):
Yeah, you know, whatever works. I will tell you though,
as a medium, because we readenergy and we read emotions so forth,
even the pets. You know,when I do, I do pet readings
every weekend, and and they Ican sit here and I can get choked
up, and I can be cryingbecause of the love that they feel for

(01:45:34):
their pet parents, and you know, and it's a good thing. I
do it by myself. That's whyI don't do readings over the phone.
I don't do reading in person.It takes a lot out of me.
Just like you said, it justwipes me out. Yeah, no,
no, I definitely get it.And I know everybody has their own tried
in true formula that they adjusted totheir specifics over the years. You know,

(01:46:00):
I know several times we've had LloieJohnson on I don't know how she
does it. She'll she'll do coldmeetings and sometimes we just take like a
twenty minute break. But I'm like, how in the heck can you do
that? I don't even know howshe begins to do that. So I
totally get it. That's like Isaid, we we work. I just
UM very thankful for the gifts youguys have because it just, uh,

(01:46:27):
it just does wonders for people.And it really really especially the last couple
of years with everything going on.UM, I'm I just especially lately,
I sometimes the the anxieties of theworld come filtering through and hit me like

(01:46:50):
a wave and I'm I'm looking theground and I know it's not me,
you know, I know it's allthese external energies and stuff that's hitting me,
and it's can be almost incapacitating.Do you ever get do you ever
get hit with stuff like that,like the world's energies? UM, I

(01:47:13):
try to not really. I triedto focus on what who I'm trying to
connect to UM, and I tryto shut the rest of the world out.
That's what That's what I've got tolearn. I got to learn how
to do that. I'm trying.So that's that's really the hard part.
And you know, and Jim,that's why I do these readings at home

(01:47:34):
because and I actually have to bein a room by myself. So my
other half likes to watch TV.And sometimes you'll try and sit in the
room so iry to put the headphoneson, put in uh, put instrumental
music on, so I can tunein to UM, to the pet or
or the person that I'm trying tocommunicate with. I cannot be distracted by

(01:47:56):
whatever's out there in the world.Um. And it is hard. Yeah,
yeah, I I that that's that'swhere I really fall away short.
Is that that that focus. Sometimessometimes it's razors sharp and I'll be like
in Spatica with the spirit and prettymuch you know, it's like I'm going,

(01:48:20):
I'm arm in arm with him.And then sometimes I'm just getting nothing.
And I don't know. I thinkwhen I'm getting nothing like that,
I just think it's the oh bee, I think it's the outside interference that
Tobody said, I haven't paid attackhim attention, by the way for the
last two hours. So hey,he's desperate. Oh my gosh, he's

(01:48:46):
a good he's a good boy.Well listen, I think you're gonna go
ahead. My voice anymore, Idon't know what it is. My voice
gets the warbling out and I getall croaching and everything. So m I
think we're gonna I want to thankyou for coming on and it was great
seeing you. And do you likethis new format? Does this work for

(01:49:08):
you? Okay? I do?Yeah, I really I love it.
I actually like to be able tosee you. And it's it's more of
a conversation than being you know,just understand looking at the wall. Well,
listen, I want you to staywell, and I will be in
touch with you, know, I'lllet you know. We're gonna set up

(01:49:29):
the promotion work and I think you'llhave a really nice day. And I'm
really excited about introducing you to theHoover House and let you see what spirits
pick up what you pick up withon there there there they were a warm,
loving family that the whole family thatset this, going back to his
grandfather, was very philanthropic and helpedreally the whole town get started, helped

(01:49:57):
a lot of people out. Theywere powerful, don't get me wrong.
They were you know, from afinancial and from a power base. These
were real innovators. This town hashad a real nice industrial base. But
I have a question about them.Yeah, are they spirits who are visiting
or are they earthbound ghosts? No, they're they're visiting, and I don't

(01:50:20):
know they they haven't disclosed to usyet why they're so invested in that house
in us, I don't know.I mean, it's I know we're doing
good. I'll show you when youcome up. I act. Before we
even moved a piece of furniture in, I wrote a dedicatory prayer for the

(01:50:44):
house, which I read, andin that sort of set the stage for
the good works that we were hopingto accomplish, to advance a knowledge base
of spirit and our spirit, whetherit's our tables or the spirits there,
they've all sort of signed on forthat. So I guess we are working

(01:51:08):
from a common base, if thatmakes sense. Now, I don't now
another thing. I don't think.I told you we had spirit come through
a session and they told us abouta hidden room in the house. And
they told us that in this hiddenroom that we would find four boards,
and there were items under the fourboardwe would find. And so we went

(01:51:31):
to where they told us, andsure not from found a panel, we
moved it. We got a loadand we got up into a room we
didn't even know existed. It waswallpaper, It was floored, even at
a light lune up in the roomthat worked, and I think at some
point there were some stairs to thatroom. For whatever reason, it got

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to seal it off. So theywere up there and checking, and they
found some loose floorboards and in itwe one of the items. We found
a cigar box which had a bunchof black and white photos from the forties
when the little teening of the townand the people. And we found a
set of infant shoes, like atwo or three month child, and we

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found a pair of white shoes fora younger girl, maybe like two or
three year old girl. And thenit told in my ear, it told
me we'd find the book of religiousitem. And then it said it was
a Bible. And sure enough,under one of the boards we found a
Bible. It was a German Biblefrom the eighteen fifties, had a name

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in it, and it was ingood shapes, very in no good shape.
We took it to a friend ofmine who did a mission in Germany
so he could read. And itwas a Martin Luther Bible. So in
this Bible, the Old Testament haslike Moses one, two, and three,
unlike the you know, King Jamesand the Old Testament. So we

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don't know why we were to findthis Bible, but obviously spirit, spirit
wanted us to find this Bible forsome purpose. We don't know why yet,
but they're they're constantly they sort ofhave us on this mission to fuck.
So we're we've been into place ayear, but we're still finding out

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about it. The basement is realactive and in its day it used to
be a speakeasy. It was abarn there and we vactually talked to some
people who frequented it in the forties, so it's got a It was a
nursing home for several years, andoccasionally we get occasionally we get some of

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the old residents that were there comethrough, you know and from the other
side. And then, um,it was an upscale restaurant several times times
in its history, so it's hada lot going on over the years.
And now it's a bed and breakfast. So wow, that's a whole lot

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of energy in that house. Itis, and everybody has reflected when they
come in they feel the energy butthey also feel invited, you know,
like it's it's positive, it's reinforcing. And like I said, well,
we can put up somewhere else,or if you'd come in and feel at
home. We've really never had Wehave had spirit present to some of our

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guests, but we've never had anybodywho's had an unpleasant night, you know,
as a result. The daughter ofthe house, Eleanor, she had
a housekeeper, a little black ladywas there, who actually was there when
she died. She dropped dead ofa heart attack, and she got to

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she's still in the house, andso one of her friends, the lady
Holly, who was talking about beingshot. She woke up one morning and
the lady was at her bedside andshe goes, Holly says, what do
you want? She goes, I'mjust checking on you, hunt and then
she disappeared. So said kind ofin care. So well, listen,

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I've slept in a hunting hotel before. We'll we'll see if, like I
said, we'll we'll put you upin a nice place. If you feel
comfortable, they're fine. If youfeel awkward, we'll we'll get somewhere else.
I don't understand it's perfect time.I appreciate everything that that you do

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for me and uh and the opportunityto join you against Yeah, this this
will be fun. This will reallybe a learning experience for all of us
and I think something we can enjoy. So listen. I wish you you
and your significant other well stay healthyand looks like so it looks like we're
a little finally getting a break onthis. We'll see, but stay well

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and thank you for coming on thenight. Always a pleasure to see you.
And we'll be putting out information onour site where they can get in
touch and where to get your booksand everything else. Sorry, Dave said,
uh send you his um uh apologies. You know he had to run

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to the hospital. But so Ihope it's okay. Yeah, I don't
know. My son in law isa history of always getting injured. It's
just hopefully it's not that. Ithink it's probably a ligament. He's probably
strained or pulled or something like that. So well, you have a wonderful

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week ahead, sir, and thanksagain for everything. Wow. Good see
hey, now you So that wasRob. I'm telling guy is amazing.
He's he's very skillful and his booksor books are an easy read. They're

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very inexpensive. I mean they're agood read too, a lot of really
good information in there, so checkthem out if you go on. And
that's why I'm Gucco g u tr O and I think I'm definitely getting
the Ghost of the Birdcage Theater.That sounds really interesting. I want to

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thank you all. Keeping two,we'll have a lot of things coming up.
It looks like we're making progress ongetting access to the Tollgate House and
hopefully by April that will be inthe group with the Hoover House. So
everybody have a wonderful week and takecare and we'll see you in two weeks

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on our show. Good night everyone, door Way to the Dead. Thank

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you for joining Dave and Jim onDoorway to the Dead. Catch us next
week right here at eight pm everyThursday, as we opened the door to
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