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Hello, and welcome to this nextepisode of Doctor Velma Talks. I'm excited
to have you here and welcome aboard. This is our third episode. It's
a conversation with me and my conversationwith you. So hopefully you ask questions,
you'll send comments, you'll let meknow if you have a question about
something I talk about, so it'sa two way conversation. I am doctor
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Velma Bagbee. I will be yourpodcast host. I am a best selling
Christian author. I'm a certified datingand relationship coach, professional speaker, as
well as someone who's been married fiftyblessed years, so I can give you
insight and share wisdom. I'm alsoan ordained minister, so I will use
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that as well. I have adoctorate in theology, and so I'm excited
about sharing what I know with allof you, and hopefully all of this
would mean a great journey for youas you discover the mate that God has
for you. Today, I wantto talk about something that was on my
mind. I've been hearing a lotof things, so I just want to
share with you some things that fellon my heart, and that is some
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of the things we say. Sometimes. I know people might question, you
know, what is it that shehas to say? She's been married fifty
plus years, she's not in thedating scene. But look, I'm trying
to point you to instructions, guidance, wisdom that God has already given us.
So if we wanted to put aterm limit on information or wisdom,
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then we're in a You're putting yourselfin a bad place. Because the Word
of God is over two thousand yearsold. It has not died. The
Word is still active and powerful.The Word is still relevant and valid.
And even God warns those who ignorewisdom in understanding as fools, He classified
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them as full. So I'm encouragingyou not to be a fool in this
journey and to learn as much asyou can in terms of what God has
given us as our guidance. SoI want to share with you is you
see behind me the four books inthe Catch series. I wanted to highlight
something in book one, which isthe black book behind me, right directly
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behind me, And I'll touch uponbook four, the Book of Fools,
and why that was important for meto share with you The Book of Fools,
and then book one of the Journeyof the Catch series speaks to the
relationship follows the relationship of a fatherdoctor grace. I'm sorry Pastor Grayson and
his daughter of Veronica and some ofthe mistakes that she was making. So
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the entire book is about that journeyand his intervention, but I wanted to
read to you a snippet of somethingI thought was important to share with you
today. This is the conversation thatPastor Grayson is with his daughter. He
said to his daughter that our roleas parents brings unexpected suffering and pain.
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We experience pain when we watch ourchildren go through life's journey making mistakes,
and we also feel pain when wesee our children get it wrong while the
others get it right. I fearedlosing you to an ugly tragedy, misfortune,
heartbreak, or even an illness.Thank God for his grace many who
had successfully applied the principles from thosediscussions in the Date with Intent to Marry
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classes, which is what Pastor Graysonteaches, he said, we're blessed with
excellent results. For this reason,it was difficult for me when I watched
my daughter ignore the sound doctrine andinstruction, because there's wisdom in it,
God's word in Proverbs fifteen and fiveof the amplified by calls the person who
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rejects his father's instruction a fool.So I've just wanted to want you to
know that when we talk about fools, I'm talking about those definitions that God
is using to classify a fool.And so he continues by saying, the
Bible calls the person who rejects hisfather's instruction a fool, and says in
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Proverbs one seven b of the KingJames version, fools despise or hates wisdom
and instruction. He said that inthe beginning, I saw the guys you
dated as fools based on the biblicaldefinition, but it turns out you acted
the part as well. So whathe was saying was you can be the
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fool too, because if you're dealingwith a fool and accepting foolish behavior in
another individual, then you're the fooltoo because you're accepting it. And so
it turns out he said, youacted the part as well. Believers can
act like fools according to God's wordwhen they reject wisdom and and disobey his
word. Thank God, we arenot in the Old Testament as you,
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along with every other believer who actslike a fool would be stoned to death.
And the two burst out into laughter'sand the dart of Veronica says,
wait, even in the church,Dad, can you imagine we would be
dead? There would be we wouldsee dead bodies everywhere. Veronica could hardly
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talk because she was laughing so hard. Can you imagine if God took that
approach today? Thank God for hisgrace, thank God for his forgiveness,
because all of us we make mistakesall the time. But Old Testament it
was very serious. When you madethese kind of mistakes, you were just
simply taken out of here. Andso what I'm saying to you when I
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read this, I thank God forthe passion of the father. The compassion
of the Father passed to Grace,and in his intervention with his he pretty
much told her she was being afool while she dated foolish people, foolish
men. And so that brings meto why I wrote the book, Because
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in the book, Grayson describes redflags capital r ed read retreat extremely dangerous.
He explained to his daughter the importanceof acknowledging them and paying attention because
in our approach to dating and discoveringthe mate that God has for you.
Today, we're so accepting of behaviorthat's not acceptable. It's unacceptable behavior,
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and so it's clear that we haveto pay attention. I hear these things,
and I'm going to give you anexample. One of the things my
publicists and I talked about is thatthe Book of Fools can apply to dating,
it applies to business relationships, itapplies to friendships. So you have
to be very mindful of the peopleyou choose to hang around with, because
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foolish people are just that they're notgoing to change. And so therefore,
who hangs around with foolish people?Who interacts with foolish people, let alone
date one or marry one. It'sjust the warning that God has given.
He's given us over two hundred referencesabout a fool and foolish behavior, and
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it's important for us not to fallpray to something like that. So we
have to use wisdom at all timesin this process. So I just want
you to know that that was importantfor me to share because we and I've
seen so many get caught up infoolish behavior, bad relationships, and I
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just want you to know that's notokay. It's just isn't okay, And
so that's why I wrote about it, That's why weaved it into the stories.
I loved that conversation with Pastor Graysonand his daughter. It was so
important for him to see, forus to see a relationship between a father
and daughter that's positive. We don'talways see that anymore, but we also
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have wise counsel, and so Ijust want you to understand, don't be
the fool in this process. Look, one of the things that I talk
about in the book and in myvery first book, Your atom is asleep
until God opens his eyes. Ishare insight from my own husband and other
men. Men know who they wantto marry the minute they meet them.
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Meet that person, and if thatis the person or the person they feel
they're being led to choose, theystill will take their time to get to
know the individual. Doesn't mean they'regoing to marry you in that moment or
right away, but they have itin their heart and their mind because their
eyes open to the right one.So I just want you to see that
conversation and also to reference why Itook the time to create a book to
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cover at least eighty of the scripturereferences discussing a fool, both male and
female, and why it's important foryou good wisdom in business, in relationships,
friendships, all of that, tounderstand what foolish behavior looks like,
what to avoid. These are allred flags, and it's important for you
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to know what a red flag lookslike. So let's begin with understanding,
excuse me, what a fool lookslike and acts like. It's more than
that. You know, we hearthe popular a fool saysm within his heart,
there is no God. Yeah,that's the most quoted scripture. But
there's so much more behavior of afool being an unreasonable person. You can't
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reason with unreasonable people, Argumentative,forceful, and you'll see clues of tips
that will give you some clues abouthis behavior in terms of his aggressiveness.
And so you can see aggressiveness veryearly on in a fool if you pay
attention. But because we get somemessmerized with through things and not examining the
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person and really examining the heart ofa person, that's important. In the
book, we also talk about theforty day rule. You know, we
have all kinds of things. We'veheard prominent people give a ninety day rule.
Some others say sixty day rule.But the scripture, going back to
the Bible, the number forty isthe number for test and trial. Well,
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what's wrong with forty days for himto least to least test to see
if this is the right one.Because really, if you once we get
into the questions, you should beasking if you're asking the right questions early
on, because remember you're examining thisperson to see if they're the right way
for you. If we're going intoa business relationship, I'm going to check
your finances, I'm going to checkyour record, your history. I'm going
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to look at your business journal.I want to know the history of your
business, whether or not there wereany failures, and what did you do
to recover all of that. I'mgoing to want to know all of that.
And so if we're if I'm gonnapartner with you, I need to
do my due diligence to make surethis partnership will work well. Even in
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a dating relationship, when you're prayingand asking God to send you your mate,
God will reveal to you what youneed to know, but you have
to do your part too. Idon't know why we think that God has
to ask all the questions of theperson and why God has no God will
point you in the right direction.But you have work to do too in
yourself. We'll talk more about yourown self examination a little later on.
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But this fell on my heart becausesome people might say, well, why
doctor Velma, why is she talkingabout it? She's been married fifty years.
What does she know about the datingscene today? Believe me, I
know about the dating scene today.You know why as I listen to the
one who knows everything. That's whyI listen to the one who knows everything.
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I have conversations with individuals, andI can pick out in listening to
conversations where their problems lie. Andso I'm grateful for the wisdom God has
given me, the knowledge, Godhas given me, the experience God has
given me. So which would yourather have? You'd rather listen to a
person who's been married two minutes giveyou advice. Would you rather listen to
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someone who's never been married trying totell you what you need to do?
Or would you rather listen to someonewho knows what you need to do to
prepare so that you can experience along lasting marriage as well? I never
said perfect marriage, blessed marriage,a long blessed marriage. So I want
to conclude with this, and Iwant you to understand that so much of
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what will be, what we willbe talking about, is in the books,
is in the series, so makesure you get get a copy.
But my very first book, TheCatching No One Once of the series,
walks you through all the people,the men that Pastor Grayson's darter dated from.
The catfish who loves garbage and totell you what type of woman that
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cafish is looking for, he stillexists today. The sturgeon who likes to
nibble everywhere he goes, He stillexists today. The salmon who doesn't want
to get caught, he'll fight commitment, still exists today. The puffer fish,
the toxic relationship, the one whomight beat you or hit you,
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or demean you, are yell atyou. That's the puffer fish. And
so I just want to share astory with you. I encourage a friend
of mine who had a friend thatneeded to get out of a very difficult
relationships. I encouraged her to takethat very first book and share it with
a friend. She gave the bookto a friend and I said, make
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sure she reads chapter six because that'sthe story of the toxic relationship. And
she told me some time later thatshe gave the book to the friend and
despite the fact that she and allher other friends were trying to get this
friend out of this toxic relationship,it was only after she read that story
that she got out of it becauseshe saw herself in it. That blesses
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me to know that I can createstories of examples of what we need to
avoid, share the truth in termsof what you need to do, and
it's helping people. So even someof the friends that I've met and readers
are met, they cannot believe howmany of the characters they've met and dated.
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But you don't have to. Noone should hold you on a string
for two and three years waiting foryou to discover if he wants to marry
you. That is plain ridiculous toput your life on hold for a person
for three years. No, atsome point that should be in the conversation
early on. Matter of fact,in your very first question, you should
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want to know if his goal isthe same as your goal. He's looking
to discover his mate, you're lookingto discover your mate, whether you're the
right ones or not. You atleast need to be on the same page
in the beginning. So ask thosequestions, examine the heart of the person,
look at what their reputation is rightnow. And I mentioned that last
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week about an example of a famouscouple that people are just not They're kind
of shaking their heads. I'm notinvolved in that, but I just want
to share with you what God hasgiven us. Use wisdom, trust God,
keep him in the middle of theprocess. Pray as always, but
do your part, and you havework to do, and I'll be talking
to you more about that. Sonow, in terms of the marriage moment,
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for those couples who are looking fora little tree, we talked about
fools and foolish behavior. All youhave to do is read those scriptures and
know this is the behavior you shouldnot exhibit. Just like in everything we
do as believers, God's will convictus and let us know, hey,
no, no, no, no, no, this is not something I
condone. And so when it convictsyou, you repent, you let it
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go, and you move on andthank God for bringing it to your attention.
So, married couples, if youheard anything in this conversation today that
you can take with you to applyin your marriage. Please do so.
Keep God at the forefront, beopen to wisdom and instruction, and make
sure as you move along and growtogether, that you're growing together with God
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at the center of it. He'sexpecting you to treat for the guys.
He's expecting you to treat your wifeas He has written it. He's given
you instructions and women, He's expectingyou to love your husband as He has
given and in his word. Somake sure you do that. So when
you're engaging with each other, youhave to keep it all keep in mind
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at all times. I have tomake sure that God is being honored with
how I love my husband and He'sdoing the same for me. So that's
our talk today. I hope youenjoyed it. Please make sure you post
your comments. If you have questions, please do so. I will continue
our discussions and I'm looking forward tohearing from you. Thank you all,
have a wonderful day. Take care. Oh do I need to add anything
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else in my closing statement, Pleasepost your comments about our discussion today,
post any questions you might have,and thank you for this time. Everyone.
Continue for the next episode.