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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Ladies and gentlemen. The story you were about to hear
is true. The names have been changed to protect the innocent.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Drake Met the authentic story of your police force selection.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
You already detective sergeant.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
You're assigned to homicide detail. An elderly woman in your
city has disappeared. There's no lead to where she's gone
or why she left. Your job find her.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
It was Wednesday, July fourteenth. It was hot in Los Angeles.
We were working with Gaywatch on a homicide detail. My
partners Frank Smith, the boss's.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Capital or mining strength.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
We're on our way at from the office, and it
was nine forty seven am when we got the six fifty.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Fourteen More Avenue.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
Yes, miss Crocker, he's Miss Crocker, but I'm hurt.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Police officers, Oh yeah, I mean thank you. It's Mike partner,
Frank Smith. My name is Frank.
Speaker 6 (01:08):
How do you do? I just sit down there on
the couch, moved that Afghan I was laying down when
you got here.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Terrible thing. I just know it. Yes, ma'am, if you
tell us about the police, you just bet I will.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
First off, can I get you something maybe a couple
of coffee? Let a piece of cinemon told me no,
no thanks, ma'am. Okay, you change your mind, you just
let me know.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yes, we will. Now if you just tell us about
missus Gilaspie, please, I hope.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
If anything ever happens to me, I get this kind
of service.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yes, ma'am. Are you a friend of missus Glassbee?
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Her best? That's why I know something's.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Happened to her. Uh huh. She wouldn't just take.
Speaker 6 (01:38):
Off like this without telling me. Matter of fact, you
can tell nobody. Just all of a sudden, she was gone.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
All right, if you start right at the beginning and
just tell us a little story.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
Please, well breath a Gilasspie and me been friends for years,
I see heard me, been friends for years.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Ever since her husband died and she opened up the
tea cozy. That's the little tea shot she had. Yeah,
nice place. She's done real good with it. All the
ladies in the neighborhoods, but down there for afternoon TV
served those little tiny cake rolls with a pot.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Of tea ladies fingers. You know that's right.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Well, a couple of days ago I went down there
to see birthday.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Do you know what day that was?
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Hm?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I said, you know the exact day. Oh no, let's.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
See, this is Wednesday. I guess it musta been Saturday. Uh, yes,
that's it Saturday.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Oh that would you like going to the police.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Well I went down to the tea posy and there
was a sign right on the door telling how Bertha
was sick and she'd gone away for a couple of days.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Was she in poor help birthday?
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
Bertha was as strong as a Oh nothing wrong with her.
Sads go a thar only Friday night. She didn't say
nothing to me about being sick, not a word.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I see.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
That's what made me.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Figure if there was something wrong for the past ten years,
if there was anything on Birthday's mind, she told me
about it?
Speaker 5 (02:48):
You just bet she didn't.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Wasn't it possible that you just used the pretended that
illness was an excuse, but you just went away on
a trip.
Speaker 7 (02:54):
Maybe.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Oh Bertha wouldn't do that.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
Why he said that, Oh cause she just wouldn't do it,
Not with Saturday, cause enough doesn't anything in the world
could make Bertha leave.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Well, what's happening Saturday? Scrabble big Bune travel?
Speaker 5 (03:07):
You know the word game?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
Well, the ladies in the neighborhood have a sort of club.
We meet dont the cosey and play our tournaments. Bertha's
a champion.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Hasn't been anybody that can be the real good, you know,
not regular, Yes, ma'am. Uh, that's why she wouldn't leave.
This Saturday was her first big match outside the club.
Woman from West Los Angeles was coming out here to
challenge Church. Brother's been in training all week, so she
wouldn't just walked out on the match. I'm telling y'all, sit,
there's something wrong.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Well, is missus Gillspiani relatives here in Los Angeles?
Speaker 6 (03:40):
No, No, she's got some people back east, uh Mississippi.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I think possible she might have left to go see them.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
I told you not with the big match coming on,
ain't nothing in the world to keep Berkeley from playing
in that.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Nothing and you believe it, yess ma'am. Does she have
any men friends?
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Well you mean mamagic.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Yes, Well there's Chester, but that's not what i'd call
her real romance.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
But I could go out to the movies with him
once in a while.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Maybe he'd come over to the teacos even evening and
they'd sit there and watch of the television, but there'd
always be somebody else there, mostly me. No, tell you
couldn't say that it was any kind of a romance
with Chester.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
You have address even talk to her. Yes, well, it
won't be any good.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I already did. He don't know whether it is. If
you'll just give us the phone number this Chester will
check on your friend.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Yeah, you check. You will find out what I said
is true.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
I think somebody done Birthday in She wouldn't just take
off like this without telling me.
Speaker 8 (04:37):
Did you have any enemies in the neighborhood, anybody that
you think might wanna do her harm?
Speaker 6 (04:41):
No, not a soul, not a single one, is'n anyone
who didn't like her? Well maybe missus Ruman didn't care
much for her, but I think that was a kind of.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
A jealous thing. We scrabble, what was that mus Roman?
But Helen, she thought she could play the game s
She challenged Birth into a match. Wow, it was well,
it was pretty terrible. Four fifty seventh to two or fourteen.
That one was pretty upset. She driving the guy like
she's a good loser, you know, kind of smile laugh.
(05:13):
I could tell he didn't like being skunk.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
An you think of any reason why anyone went on
a him in as Gilaspian, Uh, not right off?
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Unless it was for money. What last time I saw her?
She was carrying a lot of cash money around with her.
Speaker 9 (05:26):
Yeah, twenty five hundred dollars.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Ten thirty three am, we put in a call a
missing person's detail and checked the name of birth of
Gilaspie through the files.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
There'd been no report file on her and her name
did not appear in the GAGA file. We checked the
name throughout our eye, but she had no criminal.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Her From Los Angeles ten forty seven am, were drove
by the t Cozy restaurant.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
On the front door attached.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
The cellopane tape was a hand letter to not reading
taking a short vacation.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Watched for reopening. Through the glass pane, we could see
the interior of the shop. Everything appeared to be in order.
Frank and I checked the rear of the building, but
from what we could see there was nothing out of line.
In eleven twenty eight am, we'd put in a call
to the missing woman's boyfriend Chester ate him. He told
us that he talked to.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
The Gillespie woman on the previous Friday night, and she'd
appeared in good spirits and had said nothing about leaving.
We checked at her bank. We found that she'd made
a withdrawal from her savings account to the amount of
twenty five hundred dollars. This left a ballast of over
twelve thousand in the savings account six thousand dollars in
the checking account. The manager of the branch told us
that he'd spoken with missus Gillespie when she'd taken the money,
(06:30):
and that she told him as she was thinking of
taking the York vacations. So we got in touch with
miss Crocker and told her.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
What we'd found. We asked her she wanted to file
a missing person's report.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
She said that she'd wait till the end of the
week and if her friend hadn't returned by them, but
she'd come into the office. A month passed before we
heard from her again. On the morning of Friday, August twentieth,
she called to tell us that she still hadn't heard
from missus Gillespie and asked that we conduct a formal investigation.
She came down to the office untilled out a forum
pre sixteen Frank and I drove out to the restaurant.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
To check again.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
It was exactly as it happened when we've last seen it.
We tried the.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Doors and found that they were still locked. One forty
three pm. We went back to the office.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yes, sir, well, I was kind of high, isn't it. Yes, well,
did your people check into it? I see the lank you,
mister Jones. If you find out anything, we'd appreciate it,
if you'd give.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Us a call, right, that's Michigan five to one extension two,
five to two one, Yes, sir, either Officer Franks met
the sergeant Joe Friday.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
That's right, Thanks for your help, Yes, and be thank
you goodbye.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Well, that finishes up the utility calls and what have
you got telephone bills in the.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Past thirty days? Is just the service charge and those
whole calls. Same with the electric lights. Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Any we receive payment in the last month today, no
telephone company says they haven't been paid over sixty days.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Says they sent a couple of landers.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
The only reason I haven't cut off the service is
the bills have always been paid promptly in the past.
I saw, I checked for their business.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Office.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Girl tells me the bill usually runs around ten bucks possible,
and that the phone hasn't many years at all.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
That shapes up that way. Same with the lights. The
one thing doesn't match. Well, what's that the water bill?
I checked with them. Normal bill's about four bucks for
the place. Now the last sixty days it's been seventy
nine dollars. It's a lot of water in it. Yeah.
I talked to one of the engineers at the company,
a fellow named Jones. What would he tell you?
Speaker 8 (08:19):
Well, he told me there was only one thing was
because of water jumped like that. Yeah, a water tap
running for about a month. Two o six pm.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
We called the banker, Missus Gillespie had her accounts. They
had cashier told us that since the dates he'd.
Speaker 8 (08:35):
Withdo one the twenty five hundred dollars, there's been no
deposits from Withdawl's name.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
We telephoned the missing woman's friend, Missus Winnifred Crocker. From her,
we got the name and address of the owner of
the building where the T Cozy restaurant was located.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Frank and I signed out of the office and go
about to see him. The address we've been given. Was
a large house in the Silver Lake district and rang
the bell to the front door. We got no answer.
We walked around to the back of the property to
a larger garage.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Uh, Joe, if you find this guy with an find
out she gave him some indication.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
She was gonna leave. You know, I would like to
somebody that asked then him? Hear him? Then? Yeah, would
I see Virginal Mediinas? I'm him? What do you want?
Police officers would like check out a few things? Leave?
We can what about all? Might be easy if we
talked inside. I got no truck with the cops. I
(09:26):
got none and I walked on. Now you can just
ask your questions from out pairs all. That's it. That's
the way you want. Now, that's the way it's gonna be.
Now I'll get your questions, ask and go about your business.
Speaker 8 (09:35):
You own a building located at six eighty seven Canmore Avenue.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Why what, mister Medina would kind of connect an investigation.
We'd like to have your cooperation. If you don't wanna
talk here, we can go out of town.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I own the do mean? Why do you have a
tenant named Bertha Gillespie? Yes? Why when you see her last?
Oh about a month ago, or at least after you
remember the exact game. I don't know. It's a long
time ago. What's all this about Bertha? Anyway? What are
all these questions? You got something you want to know about?
The glass to yourself? Anything? I can tell you that
you can't leave me alone? Wor't to see her last night?
(10:07):
And he's bound the restman? What time of day, the night? Nighttime?
Would you try to remember what day it was? It's
pretty important.
Speaker 10 (10:14):
Wait, no, I'm trying to figure she I guess must
have been on a Saturday night.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Yes, I say it was Saturday to day and tenth
of July. Do you have any way of being sure
that that's the day?
Speaker 5 (10:24):
He?
Speaker 9 (10:24):
Look, you're coming on. You're asking questions. I've given you
an answer, if you take it or leave it. I
got no way of being sure.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I said, day, I think I saw her last. She
seem in good spirits. What do you meet with that well?
So she happy? Or was there something worrying?
Speaker 6 (10:38):
Or much?
Speaker 9 (10:38):
You seemed happy to me, I didn't pay a lot
of attention. What are your cops trying to find out?
You come right out and tell me what you're walking.
Speaker 10 (10:44):
Maybe I'll have the answer, But I haven't got time
to stand around and waste time with you.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Now, you you tell me why you're asking these questions,
or you can leave missus. Glassie's been reported missing with
kind of tracy. Well, who's done that? Who says she's missing? Well,
that's not the important point here. We got the report
with go to check it out. Well, whoever told you?
That's crazy? But ifause God is a good reason for it,
I guess she just finally got fed up and left down.
Speaker 9 (11:07):
What do you mean she made a ment of money
from that place? Frank of a minute used to tell
me that when she had enough, she was gonna just
take off and see the world, or around the whole
world of the tamp Steve. But she told me when
she signed the last piece that she thought this would
be the last one. Why she ain't missed me?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
She just gone. She said anything to you about the
fixtures in the place, What do you mean you know
the furniture of all the fixtures? They belong to her?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Open?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yes, I guess, so will she make any arrangements to
dispose of them? Me? She's what if you have a
key to the place. Is he cozy? I said, no, No,
you own the building and you don't have a key
to the rest of her. Oh I had one, but
I lost it. Never had another one made.
Speaker 7 (11:44):
Why what do you want with the key?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
You want to check the pharmises? Well, as far as
I'm concerned, you've got no life to do that.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
I she belongs to missus Dushbury.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
You've got no life to go talking around in there. Frank,
We're gonna have to and you're gonna do it without
might say so. Well, I said, if that's the way
it's gonna be, I'm telling you ain't gonna like him.
He ain't gonna like you going into questions. She hasn't bank. Well,
we take that up with her. Well, you better because
I'm gonna been thinking of responsibility before. We're not asking
me too much with you. I'll give you this though. Yeah,
say what's that you go those around? Uh'll come up
(12:14):
with something that you ain't looking power. Yeah, Well, thanks
for your help us within him, I don't manage it.
Just remember what I told you about finding trouble. They
ain't looking park for the life doesn't happen open Huh,
we're looking for him three fourteen pm, Frank and I
drove back to the t Cozy Restaurant on cam Moore Avenue,
which at the front door of the place there's a lot.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
While Frank covered one side of the building, I took
the other side, looking for the open windows.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
How about it? I don't know what be either. What
do we do now? Well, I'm gonna try to force
one of the windows in the bank. All right, Well,
I think maybe we can get in here. You gotta
break it. I'm gonna have to flit about of job.
Huh do you hear water on him? Sounds like it's punishment.
H Yeah, it might be. I must get him. Yeah,
(13:04):
you want? Might do all as I hand cuts. See
if I can knock a hole in the top half
of the one over guest way. Want to go to
eas you hankes? You run you buy your yeah? Right?
Un yeah, it doesn't I am. I'll go on and
open the door. Yeah, let me shore on the front right.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Right?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Yeah? Yeah, na.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Say anything when I work generally, Well, that's must be
the living. You know, everything looks okay, you're a little dusty.
Water's running someplace plainly. Uh sounds I just come from
over there. Yeah, better turn it off. Yeah, I gotta
(13:58):
call it corn labor. Yeah, you know her rough women enough.
Mm looks like she put up quite a fight. Blood
stains all over the place.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
M don't here, huh. And this this is what killed her, Yeah,
butcher knife. From a picture of the description that we'd
gotten from Winnifred Crocker.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
We identified the victim as the missing woman Broth of
Gillespie and put in a call for.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
The crime Lamb.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Lee Jones and his crew came out, went over the place.
The rest of the restaurants seemed to be in order.
There was no sign of a struggle of any kind except.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
In the bathroom where the body been found.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
The murder weapon, the butcher knife, was destined for Princess
was the rest of the restaurants.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
But the partials that the crime Lamb came up with.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Were worthless for classification. They would be sufficient, however, for comparison,
if we thought the killer. The search of the personal
effects of the dead woman revealed no further information to
aid us in apprehending her killer.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
The twenty five hundred dollars that she was known to
have had when she was last seen was missing six
twenty one. The man from the trying laugh. Thanshed their
investigation on the scene, and the coroner's office was called.
They came out and removed the body. They also locked
the door on the fixed of the corner's seal. Six
forty five pm. Frank and I got back to our
car to go down to the office. Now let's go. Frank, Yeah,
(15:15):
they will call it thing. Huh, that's a little kid,
you gie the cash? Yeah, son, what's a matter.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Not excitement around here?
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Huh, Yeah, that's right. Something we do for you, you
know I could do.
Speaker 7 (15:27):
Maybe there's something I can do for you. What do
you mean you know who did the murty?
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Itt?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Well, why do you say it was a murder? Son?
Speaker 5 (15:34):
I know who did it.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
The working detective is.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Learned by experience that approximately sixty percent of all homicides
are solved within twenty minutes after the arrival of the authority.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Two things are necessary, and establishing the identity of a
killer motive an opportunity. In the present instance, we.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Had the motive twenty five hundred dollars if the dead
woman had withdrawn from her account was missing. However, a
month had passed between the time the actual murder had
taken place and had it been discovered.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Ample time for the killer to cover his tracks.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Now, before we could leave the scene, we had a
witness who stated that he could name the killer for us.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
We asked the boy to get him to the back
seat in a police card. While franking, I questioned it,
what your name, son?
Speaker 7 (16:19):
Good Merrick? Kids always called me Gordy?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Uh huh? All right, seven? Now what's all this about
you being able to tell us who.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Killed Missus Gillspie, I kim, Oh, it wasn't, mister Medina.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
You mean the man Moon's ability.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
Yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Well, that's a pretty serious charge going. Do you have
any way to prove that?
Speaker 10 (16:35):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (16:35):
I really can't prove it, but I know it's true.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Well, how do you know? I just know?
Speaker 4 (16:40):
What's all?
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I seen him there?
Speaker 7 (16:42):
I just seen him going in and out.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Well when was this three weeks to go?
Speaker 7 (16:47):
Maybe a month? But he used to go in and
out all the time, arguing with missus Gilesky.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
What do you mean by argument?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Well, mister Medina screamed that Missus Glosby.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Would you ever hear any of these arguments? Son?
Speaker 7 (17:00):
Sure, my mother's a friend of mister Glatstey. We just
slive a couple of blocks away on Dooey Street.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
I'd play over here all the time I've heard mister
Medina yalla and yeller.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Would they argue about something?
Speaker 7 (17:11):
Mostly about least or something.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
He was like, mister Medina wants Mrs Glepsley, do you
move out? She didn't want?
Speaker 7 (17:18):
Made him pretty short. You gotta talk to him. Don't
tell us the same.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Thing about how they used to fight with la Alright, son,
your mother ever hear any of these fights?
Speaker 7 (17:26):
Sure? You ask us.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
She tells the same way.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
Just where it is?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Okay? She home now should be maybe she went out
to the store or something should be ut. Okay, so
let's go open. Yeah, I.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
Guess miss about the most excitement when we've had for
a long time. Yeah, prell missus bleat Street. You're a
nice little lady. Real life. Wasn't hardly anybody or didn't
like her? Tell me anybody, how.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
About mister video seven or what m We drove down
Gordon Eric to his home and talked with his mother.
She verified his story about the arguments between the victim
and Medina.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
She went on to say that Medeena had threatened missus Gillespie,
saying that if she wouldn't vacate the premises, he'd take
care of her. We had their statements taken out. At
eight forty pm, we went by Medina's house and asked
him who company is downtown. Finally agreed, although he was
summoning and un cooperative.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
When we got him down to the office, we checked
his name through the record girl Will. He found that
he had no criminal record in Los Angeles. His prince
were old and sent to Holland Stall for comparison with
those found on the murder weapon. While we waited for
the results, we talked to him in the squad room.
You're going to regret that, you know that. Yeah, I'm
telling you. You're dragging me down here with all these questions.
You just wait on my lawyers get here. You could
(18:41):
have stopped all of his foolishness. You want to tell
us what it's all about, Medina, tell you about one
I wanted my tennis got a self yill and I'll listen.
I got company all over town.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
A lot of tennis said he hasn't pretty big arguments
with Lissus Lesbie, who said that who.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Told you that this is true? Why it's a lie.
You bring the person in to here and said it.
Now I'm telling him it's a lie right to face.
You just bring them in here. You can't do that,
and you know it. Yeah, of course you can't.
Speaker 7 (19:03):
You know why you want me to tell you?
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Go ahead, you tell you you can't show the person
who said that, because there ain't no such persons anybody
in the world who says, oh, I argue with brother.
Uh huh. You try to get her a bat release
with him. There's nothing to go business. I told you before.
I'm not about that. A lot of questions are not
done to you are concerned a couple of things.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
We better get your straight on Mistry. You're a suspect
and a murder. Now, if you're smart, you're gonna realize
that and give us some straight answers.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Just wait on my lawyer.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Guess. Yeah, you don't take care of all this, and
he's gonna pickture. We think of my fingerprints. I still
don't think that any right to do that. Don't write
it all. I guess I'm a sad freddy. Yeah, how many?
All right? Thank you? You wanna tell us why you
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killed him? And you know what are you talking about
those our fingerprints?
Speaker 8 (19:53):
Man?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
They check your prints against the ones and time of
the murdered NAFE they match perfectly. M sure, they're sure
I didn't mean to do it.
Speaker 10 (20:07):
I really didn't mean to, honest, just all of a
sudden I got so mad, understanding there smiling.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
You should have known me if you had a way
of smiling at you, and you knew if there wasn't
anything that you could do, you just staying there a smile.
And I didn't mean to kill her? Who you got
to believe that I didn't mean to kill her? I
wanna tell us how it happened. Have you got a cigarette? Yeah?
They thanks any less.
Speaker 11 (20:38):
I had a chance to lease the place to some
other people more money. I tried to get her out
got here. I tried to talk to her.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
I tried to get her to retire, and she had
enough money. She didn't ever have to worry. All I
wanted to do was to get out. But you wouldn't.
You said I'd signed the least with her that you
would like to keep it. How much difference was there
between what she was saying or what the new people
were gonna get? In fifty dollars a money. You killed
her for that? Oh, yeah, you don't understand. You got
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to try. Not Really, this is important if you knew
why they did, know why I didn't.
Speaker 10 (21:09):
You see, I went to Rye. I told her that
I'd give a lease on another piece of property. I'd
give it to her less money.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
I was trying to be fair. You could see that
I wanted to be fair.
Speaker 10 (21:21):
Well, that Saturday night, I I decided to have it
out with her. I went over to talk, trying to
convince her that she wouldn't listen. He just wouldn't listen.
I tried everything to make or listen, but you wouldn't.
She just stood there and told me that she had
the least when she was going to keep it. He
just stood there with that superior smile of her, like she.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
Knew it all.
Speaker 10 (21:41):
Makes you want to shit as hard as you could.
If you knew her, you would see what I mean.
You'd see you'd see to take the money. Yes, I
don't know why I did that. Just all of a sudden,
I got so mad at that picked up the knife
and I didn't mean to, honest, I didn't. As soon
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as I saw I was sorry, I was real sorry.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah, did you turn that water on. Well, I guess
I always say I. I don't remember too good. I
I washed my hands after I killed I remember that,
I guess I. I guess I did leave the water on,
and I guess I did that. All right? Do you
wanna get the star her? Frank?
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Thanks. You seen the way she thought she was so
much better than anybody else, you know? Is that right?
For sure? All those old shends clucking.
Speaker 10 (22:39):
Around all the time, building around, making them feel some period,
real su period.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Or if you just moved out, if.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
You just let me have the lights, it all would
have been all right, if you'd just done that.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
That's a lot of money, you know. Fifty dollars a month,
that's what I doesn't make on the view, Yeah, is
it worth it? Don't you think fifty dollars a month
about turning a hand? Everybody'd think in that way, wouldn't they. Well,
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everybody in sink so. And when you get where you're going,
you're gonna ask him the story you have just heard
is true. The names were changed to protect the innocents.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
On November tenth, trial was held in Department ninety seven,
Superior Court of the State of California, in and fall
the County of Los Angeles, Virgil Amill Medina was tried
and convicted of murder in the second degree and.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Received sentence as prescribed by law, Murder in.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
The second degree is punishable by imprisonment in the state
penitentiary for a period.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Of from five years to life.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Dragnet the Story of Your Police Force in Action, as
a presentation of the United States Armed Forces Radio Service
Ladies and gentlemen. The story you were about to hear
is true. The names have been changed to protect the innocent.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Drake Met the authentic story of your police force selection.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
You already detective sergeant.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
You're assigned to homicide detail. An elderly woman in your
city has disappeared. There's no lead to where she's gone
or why she left. Your job find her.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
It was Wednesday, July fourteenth. It was hot in Los Angeles.
We were working with Gaywatch on a homicide detail. My
partners Frank Smith, the boss's.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Capital or mining strength.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
We're on our way at from the office, and it
was nine forty seven am when we got the six fifty.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Fourteen More Avenue.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
Yes, miss Crocker, he's Miss Crocker, but I'm hurt.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Police officers, Oh yeah, I mean thank you. It's Mike partner,
Frank Smith. My name is Frank.
Speaker 6 (01:08):
How do you do? I just sit down there on
the couch, moved that Afghan I was laying down when
you got here.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Terrible thing. I just know it. Yes, ma'am, if you
tell us about the police, you just bet I will.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
First off, can I get you something maybe a couple
of coffee? Let a piece of cinemon told me no,
no thanks, ma'am. Okay, you change your mind, you just
let me know.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yes, we will. Now if you just tell us about
missus Gilaspie, please, I hope.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
If anything ever happens to me, I get this kind
of service.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yes, ma'am. Are you a friend of missus Glassbee?
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Her best? That's why I know something's.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Happened to her. Uh huh. She wouldn't just take.
Speaker 6 (01:38):
Off like this without telling me. Matter of fact, you
can tell nobody. Just all of a sudden, she was gone.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
All right, if you start right at the beginning and
just tell us a little story.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
Please, well breath a Gilasspie and me been friends for years,
I see heard me, been friends for years.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Ever since her husband died and she opened up the
tea cozy. That's the little tea shot she had. Yeah,
nice place. She's done real good with it. All the
ladies in the neighborhoods, but down there for afternoon TV
served those little tiny cake rolls with a pot.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Of tea ladies fingers. You know that's right.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Well, a couple of days ago I went down there
to see birthday.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Do you know what day that was?
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Hm?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I said, you know the exact day. Oh no, let's.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
See, this is Wednesday. I guess it musta been Saturday. Uh, yes,
that's it Saturday.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Oh that would you like going to the police.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Well I went down to the tea posy and there
was a sign right on the door telling how Bertha
was sick and she'd gone away for a couple of days.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Was she in poor help birthday?
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
Bertha was as strong as a Oh nothing wrong with her.
Sads go a thar only Friday night. She didn't say
nothing to me about being sick, not a word.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I see.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
That's what made me.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Figure if there was something wrong for the past ten years,
if there was anything on Birthday's mind, she told me
about it?
Speaker 5 (02:48):
You just bet she didn't.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Wasn't it possible that you just used the pretended that
illness was an excuse, but you just went away on
a trip.
Speaker 7 (02:54):
Maybe.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Oh Bertha wouldn't do that.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
Why he said that, Oh cause she just wouldn't do it,
Not with Saturday, cause enough doesn't anything in the world
could make Bertha leave.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Well, what's happening Saturday? Scrabble big Bune travel?
Speaker 5 (03:07):
You know the word game?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
Well, the ladies in the neighborhood have a sort of club.
We meet dont the cosey and play our tournaments. Bertha's
a champion.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Hasn't been anybody that can be the real good, you know,
not regular, Yes, ma'am. Uh, that's why she wouldn't leave.
This Saturday was her first big match outside the club.
Woman from West Los Angeles was coming out here to
challenge Church. Brother's been in training all week, so she
wouldn't just walked out on the match. I'm telling y'all, sit,
there's something wrong.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Well, is missus Gillspiani relatives here in Los Angeles?
Speaker 6 (03:40):
No, No, she's got some people back east, uh Mississippi.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I think possible she might have left to go see them.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
I told you not with the big match coming on,
ain't nothing in the world to keep Berkeley from playing
in that.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Nothing and you believe it, yess ma'am. Does she have
any men friends?
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Well you mean mamagic.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Yes, Well there's Chester, but that's not what i'd call
her real romance.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
But I could go out to the movies with him
once in a while.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Maybe he'd come over to the teacos even evening and
they'd sit there and watch of the television, but there'd
always be somebody else there, mostly me. No, tell you
couldn't say that it was any kind of a romance
with Chester.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
You have address even talk to her. Yes, well, it
won't be any good.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I already did. He don't know whether it is. If
you'll just give us the phone number this Chester will
check on your friend.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Yeah, you check. You will find out what I said
is true.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
I think somebody done Birthday in She wouldn't just take
off like this without telling me.
Speaker 8 (04:37):
Did you have any enemies in the neighborhood, anybody that
you think might wanna do her harm?
Speaker 6 (04:41):
No, not a soul, not a single one, is'n anyone
who didn't like her? Well maybe missus Ruman didn't care
much for her, but I think that was a kind of.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
A jealous thing. We scrabble, what was that mus Roman?
But Helen, she thought she could play the game s
She challenged Birth into a match. Wow, it was well,
it was pretty terrible. Four fifty seventh to two or fourteen.
That one was pretty upset. She driving the guy like
she's a good loser, you know, kind of smile laugh.
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I could tell he didn't like being skunk.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
An you think of any reason why anyone went on
a him in as Gilaspian, Uh, not right off?
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Unless it was for money. What last time I saw her?
She was carrying a lot of cash money around with her.
Speaker 9 (05:26):
Yeah, twenty five hundred dollars.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Ten thirty three am, we put in a call a
missing person's detail and checked the name of birth of
Gilaspie through the files.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
There'd been no report file on her and her name
did not appear in the GAGA file. We checked the
name throughout our eye, but she had no criminal.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Her From Los Angeles ten forty seven am, were drove
by the t Cozy restaurant.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
On the front door attached.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
The cellopane tape was a hand letter to not reading
taking a short vacation.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Watched for reopening. Through the glass pane, we could see
the interior of the shop. Everything appeared to be in order.
Frank and I checked the rear of the building, but
from what we could see there was nothing out of line.
In eleven twenty eight am, we'd put in a call
to the missing woman's boyfriend Chester ate him. He told
us that he talked to.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
The Gillespie woman on the previous Friday night, and she'd
appeared in good spirits and had said nothing about leaving.
We checked at her bank. We found that she'd made
a withdrawal from her savings account to the amount of
twenty five hundred dollars. This left a ballast of over
twelve thousand in the savings account six thousand dollars in
the checking account. The manager of the branch told us
that he'd spoken with missus Gillespie when she'd taken the money,
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and that she told him as she was thinking of
taking the York vacations. So we got in touch with
miss Crocker and told her.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
What we'd found. We asked her she wanted to file
a missing person's report.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
She said that she'd wait till the end of the
week and if her friend hadn't returned by them, but
she'd come into the office. A month passed before we
heard from her again. On the morning of Friday, August twentieth,
she called to tell us that she still hadn't heard
from missus Gillespie and asked that we conduct a formal investigation.
She came down to the office untilled out a forum
pre sixteen Frank and I drove out to the restaurant.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
To check again.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
It was exactly as it happened when we've last seen it.
We tried the.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Doors and found that they were still locked. One forty
three pm. We went back to the office.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yes, sir, well, I was kind of high, isn't it. Yes, well,
did your people check into it? I see the lank you,
mister Jones. If you find out anything, we'd appreciate it,
if you'd give.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Us a call, right, that's Michigan five to one extension two,
five to two one, Yes, sir, either Officer Franks met
the sergeant Joe Friday.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
That's right, Thanks for your help, Yes, and be thank
you goodbye.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Well, that finishes up the utility calls and what have
you got telephone bills in the.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Past thirty days? Is just the service charge and those
whole calls. Same with the electric lights. Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Any we receive payment in the last month today, no
telephone company says they haven't been paid over sixty days.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Says they sent a couple of landers.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
The only reason I haven't cut off the service is
the bills have always been paid promptly in the past.
I saw, I checked for their business.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Office.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Girl tells me the bill usually runs around ten bucks possible,
and that the phone hasn't many years at all.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
That shapes up that way. Same with the lights. The
one thing doesn't match. Well, what's that the water bill?
I checked with them. Normal bill's about four bucks for
the place. Now the last sixty days it's been seventy
nine dollars. It's a lot of water in it. Yeah.
I talked to one of the engineers at the company,
a fellow named Jones. What would he tell you?
Speaker 8 (08:19):
Well, he told me there was only one thing was
because of water jumped like that. Yeah, a water tap
running for about a month. Two o six pm.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
We called the banker, Missus Gillespie had her accounts. They
had cashier told us that since the dates he'd.
Speaker 8 (08:35):
Withdo one the twenty five hundred dollars, there's been no
deposits from Withdawl's name.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
We telephoned the missing woman's friend, Missus Winnifred Crocker. From her,
we got the name and address of the owner of
the building where the T Cozy restaurant was located.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Frank and I signed out of the office and go
about to see him. The address we've been given. Was
a large house in the Silver Lake district and rang
the bell to the front door. We got no answer.
We walked around to the back of the property to
a larger garage.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Uh, Joe, if you find this guy with an find
out she gave him some indication.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
She was gonna leave. You know, I would like to
somebody that asked then him? Hear him? Then? Yeah, would
I see Virginal Mediinas? I'm him? What do you want?
Police officers would like check out a few things? Leave?
We can what about all? Might be easy if we
talked inside. I got no truck with the cops. I
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got none and I walked on. Now you can just
ask your questions from out pairs all. That's it. That's
the way you want. Now, that's the way it's gonna be.
Now I'll get your questions, ask and go about your business.
Speaker 8 (09:35):
You own a building located at six eighty seven Canmore Avenue.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Why what, mister Medina would kind of connect an investigation.
We'd like to have your cooperation. If you don't wanna
talk here, we can go out of town.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I own the do mean? Why do you have a
tenant named Bertha Gillespie? Yes? Why when you see her last?
Oh about a month ago, or at least after you
remember the exact game. I don't know. It's a long
time ago. What's all this about Bertha? Anyway? What are
all these questions? You got something you want to know about?
The glass to yourself? Anything? I can tell you that
you can't leave me alone? Wor't to see her last night?
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And he's bound the restman? What time of day, the night? Nighttime?
Would you try to remember what day it was? It's
pretty important.
Speaker 10 (10:14):
Wait, no, I'm trying to figure she I guess must
have been on a Saturday night.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Yes, I say it was Saturday to day and tenth
of July. Do you have any way of being sure
that that's the day?
Speaker 5 (10:24):
He?
Speaker 9 (10:24):
Look, you're coming on. You're asking questions. I've given you
an answer, if you take it or leave it. I
got no way of being sure.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I said, day, I think I saw her last. She
seem in good spirits. What do you meet with that well?
So she happy? Or was there something worrying?
Speaker 6 (10:38):
Or much?
Speaker 9 (10:38):
You seemed happy to me, I didn't pay a lot
of attention. What are your cops trying to find out?
You come right out and tell me what you're walking.
Speaker 10 (10:44):
Maybe I'll have the answer, But I haven't got time
to stand around and waste time with you.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Now, you you tell me why you're asking these questions,
or you can leave missus. Glassie's been reported missing with
kind of tracy. Well, who's done that? Who says she's missing? Well,
that's not the important point here. We got the report
with go to check it out. Well, whoever told you?
That's crazy? But ifause God is a good reason for it,
I guess she just finally got fed up and left down.
Speaker 9 (11:07):
What do you mean she made a ment of money
from that place? Frank of a minute used to tell
me that when she had enough, she was gonna just
take off and see the world, or around the whole
world of the tamp Steve. But she told me when
she signed the last piece that she thought this would
be the last one. Why she ain't missed me?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
She just gone. She said anything to you about the
fixtures in the place, What do you mean you know
the furniture of all the fixtures? They belong to her?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Open?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yes, I guess, so will she make any arrangements to
dispose of them? Me? She's what if you have a
key to the place. Is he cozy? I said, no, No,
you own the building and you don't have a key
to the rest of her. Oh I had one, but
I lost it. Never had another one made.
Speaker 7 (11:44):
Why what do you want with the key?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
You want to check the pharmises? Well, as far as
I'm concerned, you've got no life to do that.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
I she belongs to missus Dushbury.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
You've got no life to go talking around in there. Frank,
We're gonna have to and you're gonna do it without
might say so. Well, I said, if that's the way
it's gonna be, I'm telling you ain't gonna like him.
He ain't gonna like you going into questions. She hasn't bank. Well,
we take that up with her. Well, you better because
I'm gonna been thinking of responsibility before. We're not asking
me too much with you. I'll give you this though. Yeah,
say what's that you go those around? Uh'll come up
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with something that you ain't looking power. Yeah, Well, thanks
for your help us within him, I don't manage it.
Just remember what I told you about finding trouble. They
ain't looking park for the life doesn't happen open Huh,
we're looking for him three fourteen pm, Frank and I
drove back to the t Cozy Restaurant on cam Moore Avenue,
which at the front door of the place there's a lot.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
While Frank covered one side of the building, I took
the other side, looking for the open windows.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
How about it? I don't know what be either. What
do we do now? Well, I'm gonna try to force
one of the windows in the bank. All right, Well,
I think maybe we can get in here. You gotta
break it. I'm gonna have to flit about of job.
Huh do you hear water on him? Sounds like it's punishment.
H Yeah, it might be. I must get him. Yeah,
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you want? Might do all as I hand cuts. See
if I can knock a hole in the top half
of the one over guest way. Want to go to
eas you hankes? You run you buy your yeah? Right?
Un yeah, it doesn't I am. I'll go on and
open the door. Yeah, let me shore on the front right.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Right?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Yeah? Yeah, na.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Say anything when I work generally, Well, that's must be
the living. You know, everything looks okay, you're a little dusty.
Water's running someplace plainly. Uh sounds I just come from
over there. Yeah, better turn it off. Yeah, I gotta
(13:58):
call it corn labor. Yeah, you know her rough women enough.
Mm looks like she put up quite a fight. Blood
stains all over the place.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
M don't here, huh. And this this is what killed her, Yeah,
butcher knife. From a picture of the description that we'd
gotten from Winnifred Crocker.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
We identified the victim as the missing woman Broth of
Gillespie and put in a call for.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
The crime Lamb.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Lee Jones and his crew came out, went over the place.
The rest of the restaurants seemed to be in order.
There was no sign of a struggle of any kind except.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
In the bathroom where the body been found.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
The murder weapon, the butcher knife, was destined for Princess
was the rest of the restaurants.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
But the partials that the crime Lamb came up with.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Were worthless for classification. They would be sufficient, however, for comparison,
if we thought the killer. The search of the personal
effects of the dead woman revealed no further information to
aid us in apprehending her killer.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
The twenty five hundred dollars that she was known to
have had when she was last seen was missing six
twenty one. The man from the trying laugh. Thanshed their
investigation on the scene, and the coroner's office was called.
They came out and removed the body. They also locked
the door on the fixed of the corner's seal. Six
forty five pm. Frank and I got back to our
car to go down to the office. Now let's go. Frank, Yeah,
(15:15):
they will call it thing. Huh, that's a little kid,
you gie the cash? Yeah, son, what's a matter.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Not excitement around here?
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Huh, Yeah, that's right. Something we do for you, you
know I could do.
Speaker 7 (15:27):
Maybe there's something I can do for you. What do
you mean you know who did the murty?
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Itt?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Well, why do you say it was a murder? Son?
Speaker 5 (15:34):
I know who did it.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
The working detective is.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Learned by experience that approximately sixty percent of all homicides
are solved within twenty minutes after the arrival of the authority.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Two things are necessary, and establishing the identity of a
killer motive an opportunity. In the present instance, we.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Had the motive twenty five hundred dollars if the dead
woman had withdrawn from her account was missing. However, a
month had passed between the time the actual murder had
taken place and had it been discovered.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Ample time for the killer to cover his tracks.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Now, before we could leave the scene, we had a
witness who stated that he could name the killer for us.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
We asked the boy to get him to the back
seat in a police card. While franking, I questioned it,
what your name, son?
Speaker 7 (16:19):
Good Merrick? Kids always called me Gordy?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Uh huh? All right, seven? Now what's all this about
you being able to tell us who.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Killed Missus Gillspie, I kim, Oh, it wasn't, mister Medina.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
You mean the man Moon's ability.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
Yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Well, that's a pretty serious charge going. Do you have
any way to prove that?
Speaker 10 (16:35):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (16:35):
I really can't prove it, but I know it's true.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Well, how do you know? I just know?
Speaker 4 (16:40):
What's all?
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I seen him there?
Speaker 7 (16:42):
I just seen him going in and out.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Well when was this three weeks to go?
Speaker 7 (16:47):
Maybe a month? But he used to go in and
out all the time, arguing with missus Gilesky.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
What do you mean by argument?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Well, mister Medina screamed that Missus Glosby.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Would you ever hear any of these arguments? Son?
Speaker 7 (17:00):
Sure, my mother's a friend of mister Glatstey. We just
slive a couple of blocks away on Dooey Street.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
I'd play over here all the time I've heard mister
Medina yalla and yeller.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Would they argue about something?
Speaker 7 (17:11):
Mostly about least or something.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
He was like, mister Medina wants Mrs Glepsley, do you
move out? She didn't want?
Speaker 7 (17:18):
Made him pretty short. You gotta talk to him. Don't
tell us the same.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Thing about how they used to fight with la Alright, son,
your mother ever hear any of these fights?
Speaker 7 (17:26):
Sure? You ask us.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
She tells the same way.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
Just where it is?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Okay? She home now should be maybe she went out
to the store or something should be ut. Okay, so
let's go open. Yeah, I.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
Guess miss about the most excitement when we've had for
a long time. Yeah, prell missus bleat Street. You're a
nice little lady. Real life. Wasn't hardly anybody or didn't
like her? Tell me anybody, how.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
About mister video seven or what m We drove down
Gordon Eric to his home and talked with his mother.
She verified his story about the arguments between the victim
and Medina.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
She went on to say that Medeena had threatened missus Gillespie,
saying that if she wouldn't vacate the premises, he'd take
care of her. We had their statements taken out. At
eight forty pm, we went by Medina's house and asked
him who company is downtown. Finally agreed, although he was
summoning and un cooperative.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
When we got him down to the office, we checked
his name through the record girl Will. He found that
he had no criminal record in Los Angeles. His prince
were old and sent to Holland Stall for comparison with
those found on the murder weapon. While we waited for
the results, we talked to him in the squad room.
You're going to regret that, you know that. Yeah, I'm
telling you. You're dragging me down here with all these questions.
You just wait on my lawyers get here. You could
(18:41):
have stopped all of his foolishness. You want to tell
us what it's all about, Medina, tell you about one
I wanted my tennis got a self yill and I'll listen.
I got company all over town.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
A lot of tennis said he hasn't pretty big arguments
with Lissus Lesbie, who said that who.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Told you that this is true? Why it's a lie.
You bring the person in to here and said it.
Now I'm telling him it's a lie right to face.
You just bring them in here. You can't do that,
and you know it. Yeah, of course you can't.
Speaker 7 (19:03):
You know why you want me to tell you?
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Go ahead, you tell you you can't show the person
who said that, because there ain't no such persons anybody
in the world who says, oh, I argue with brother.
Uh huh. You try to get her a bat release
with him. There's nothing to go business. I told you before.
I'm not about that. A lot of questions are not
done to you are concerned a couple of things.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
We better get your straight on Mistry. You're a suspect
and a murder. Now, if you're smart, you're gonna realize
that and give us some straight answers.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Just wait on my lawyer.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Guess. Yeah, you don't take care of all this, and
he's gonna pickture. We think of my fingerprints. I still
don't think that any right to do that. Don't write
it all. I guess I'm a sad freddy. Yeah, how many?
All right? Thank you? You wanna tell us why you
(19:50):
killed him? And you know what are you talking about
those our fingerprints?
Speaker 8 (19:53):
Man?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
They check your prints against the ones and time of
the murdered NAFE they match perfectly. M sure, they're sure
I didn't mean to do it.
Speaker 10 (20:07):
I really didn't mean to, honest, just all of a
sudden I got so mad, understanding there smiling.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
You should have known me if you had a way
of smiling at you, and you knew if there wasn't
anything that you could do, you just staying there a smile.
And I didn't mean to kill her? Who you got
to believe that I didn't mean to kill her? I
wanna tell us how it happened. Have you got a cigarette? Yeah?
They thanks any less.
Speaker 11 (20:38):
I had a chance to lease the place to some
other people more money. I tried to get her out
got here. I tried to talk to her.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
I tried to get her to retire, and she had
enough money. She didn't ever have to worry. All I
wanted to do was to get out. But you wouldn't.
You said I'd signed the least with her that you
would like to keep it. How much difference was there
between what she was saying or what the new people
were gonna get? In fifty dollars a money. You killed
her for that? Oh, yeah, you don't understand. You got
(21:05):
to try. Not Really, this is important if you knew
why they did, know why I didn't.
Speaker 10 (21:09):
You see, I went to Rye. I told her that
I'd give a lease on another piece of property. I'd
give it to her less money.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
I was trying to be fair. You could see that
I wanted to be fair.
Speaker 10 (21:21):
Well, that Saturday night, I I decided to have it
out with her. I went over to talk, trying to
convince her that she wouldn't listen. He just wouldn't listen.
I tried everything to make or listen, but you wouldn't.
She just stood there and told me that she had
the least when she was going to keep it. He
just stood there with that superior smile of her, like she.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
Knew it all.
Speaker 10 (21:41):
Makes you want to shit as hard as you could.
If you knew her, you would see what I mean.
You'd see you'd see to take the money. Yes, I
don't know why I did that. Just all of a sudden,
I got so mad at that picked up the knife
and I didn't mean to, honest, I didn't. As soon
(22:04):
as I saw I was sorry, I was real sorry.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah, did you turn that water on. Well, I guess
I always say I. I don't remember too good. I
I washed my hands after I killed I remember that,
I guess I. I guess I did leave the water on,
and I guess I did that. All right? Do you
wanna get the star her? Frank?
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Thanks. You seen the way she thought she was so
much better than anybody else, you know? Is that right?
For sure? All those old shends clucking.
Speaker 10 (22:39):
Around all the time, building around, making them feel some period,
real su period.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Or if you just moved out, if.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
You just let me have the lights, it all would
have been all right, if you'd just done that.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
That's a lot of money, you know. Fifty dollars a month,
that's what I doesn't make on the view, Yeah, is
it worth it? Don't you think fifty dollars a month
about turning a hand? Everybody'd think in that way, wouldn't they. Well,
(23:16):
everybody in sink so. And when you get where you're going,
you're gonna ask him the story you have just heard
is true. The names were changed to protect the innocents.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
On November tenth, trial was held in Department ninety seven,
Superior Court of the State of California, in and fall
the County of Los Angeles, Virgil Amill Medina was tried
and convicted of murder in the second degree and.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Received sentence as prescribed by law, Murder in.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
The second degree is punishable by imprisonment in the state
penitentiary for a period.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Of from five years to life.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Dragnet the Story of Your Police Force in Action, as
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