April 12, 2025 • 25 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Ladies and gentlemen. The story you were about to hear
is true. The names have been changed to protect.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
The innocent drag men. You're a detective sergeant.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
You're assigned the burglary detail.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
In the past two months, a thief has broken into
eighteen markets. There's no lead to his whereabouts, no clue
to his identity. Your job get him.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
It was Monday, December fourteenth.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
It was cold in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
We were working to day, watched out of burglery detail.
My partner's Frank Smith. The boss is Captain Burnhard. My
name is Friday. We're on our way out of the office.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
It was eight oh five am and we got the
Jersey Street Juvenile Bureau Sergeant Linday Simmons us.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, but did you give it him?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Uh huh Yeah, what you say?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, well when he come back? Uh huh, Well did
he have it for you? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Well, I don't teach you not to go that route anymore,
all right, Patrick, tell us starting to call me when.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
He gets back, right, ah, my price man? Oh yeah,
when he just talking to Jean Patrick over Holland Park.
You know, yeah, I met him a couple of times,
picked up a youngster a couple of days.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Ago on suspicion and burglary brought him into the office
and Patrick talked to me. Yeah, well, he finally bought
it that the kid didn't have anything to do with
the sets.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
He told him to go home. Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Kid told Gene he didn't have the money to get home,
said Jeanie. Gave him twenty cents.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Kids score, come in and pay it back?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Did he?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, he came in this.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Morning, gave Patrick two dimes, told him patter believe in
the story. Then Patrick got the kicker. Kid really did
break into a house last night.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
To get the money? Or Patrick got to say about that?
Says the kids.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Honist in the sort of way did pay him back?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Or is the other? And now got him over hide
and park you with him? I better calls you.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Maybe I can give him add I got the couple
of street carcos. Something won't be using I I'd like
to have him and.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I'll hold it follows you.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I don't think i'd bring it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Up to him for a couple of days. But what
can I do for you too? Well, Lindsey, we've been
working on a string of burgeries.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
You maybe got the word on them.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I don't think so. It's the story a bunch of
store burgeries. Papers At tagged them the milk bottle jobs.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Oh yeah yeah, seen as Hardcrover was telling me something
about him the other day. And where do we come in? Well,
the way the job's lucky.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
We've been thinking that maybe he's belong in your department
instead of ours.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I figure that first off, the milk thing, what do
you mean every job he's full. We found an empty
milk bottle on the counter.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Okay, what's that proves? Well, milk and kids go together. Sure,
so the milk and ulcers. Maybe your thief's got the
bullhards when he gets into the store.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Now, Lindsey, there's another thing.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
The way he prowls the place is all. He takes
his petty cash, just a couple of bucks outside, candy cigarettes,
nothing big. Some of the places he's gone into. You
but open the shafe of the pocket knife and he
hasn't even made a move toward him.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Maybe he's flipped the maniac got a lot of them
on the books. Maybe that's the way he gets his
kick claw.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
It's a nice try it If you know anybody that
can climb through a fourteen by ten inch hold, you
trot them up and we'll talk to him.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Okay, I haven't got the names on my desk, but
you take a trip to Centa neither you'll meet a
lot of jockeys. You guys know we'll go along.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
With you on this thing.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Anything we can do, but until we're sure that there's
a juvenile involved, there's.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Nothing we can do.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Anything turns up, we'll be sure to turn over to
you so.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
That we're not trying to prom this thing off on you. Lindsey,
we've had the Stat's office make so many runs on
small adults as the cars they're wearing now, it just
seems that none of the leeds we've been chasing come
out anywhere.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
And figure that maybe you could come up with some
answers for us. Well, that's a new one. I meet
Joe this milk bit.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I've heard of a couple of fees and went for it,
but I can't name you a juvenile off man. I'll
fast the word around today, wat see what they can
come up with. I'll leaven know for high crows they
can pass it on the night watch.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Well, appreciate anything you can do.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
No trouble been running your ragon on this huh pretty rough.
It's just that we can't seem to be able to
come up with anything of that. Add yeah, excuse me, yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Georgia Street, Jeveln' Sergant Simmons. Yeah, yeah, there which one. Okay,
hang on, I'm a few joy your office.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Thanks, Fidynian, Yeah right away.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
What's the effet?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, so I got it Welle right away? Whoop Yeah,
call him right a while. Let's go the milk bottle
kid he hit again. The call had come from Lieutenant
Ginder and Burgery.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
He told us that he'd just gotten a call from
a store keeper named Marty Darra Burtis. The man had
called the report of burgery at his store at the
corner of Jackson and Broadway Streets. Lieutenant Ginder told us
if the clime Lab had been notified, and the dispatched
the crew to investigate the premises for physical evidence. Frank
and I left Georgia Street Juvenial. We drove over to
figure Off and then we turned over on the Broadway.
The store that had been broken into was a small
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Italion delic acession on the southeast corner.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
By the time we got there, the clime Lab crew
had already arrived and.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Was winding up their investigation. We walked into the place
and we met with great thinker. A Hi, Joe, right right,
how's it going? The usual thing? Bottle of milk on
the counter? You gonna check it over?
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Or went back here? Thief made his entrance back here
at rear.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Of the store.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Now they broke out the window pane. Yeah, not very big,
yuh and measures nine and a half.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Or twelve three quarter?
Speaker 1 (05:18):
No alarm on the window? Huh? Yeah, I can see
the wires here.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Take a look.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Oh yeah, how come the alarm didn't go off? I
talked to the owner.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
He said he's had trouble the alarm system last a
couple of weeks, called the company and asked them to
fix it.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
He thought it was okay because there's.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Something wrong some poy. It didn't work last night. What
kind of alarm was it? Right outside? I'm a building,
you know the kind?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah? Or did you chake this time?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Right? Usual round of stuff?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
According to the owner, there about four cart and the
cigarettes messing several bucks of candy. He can't be absolutely sure,
so he's got to check his stock. Be better to
talk to him on that. Yeah, we will we'll catch
him later. I want to wait a minute. I'll check
and see how the boys are doing on the print.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Had him check the counter and milk about thanks, Ray,
you right back fire. I wonder what we're gonna boil
the whistle.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
On this guy.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I don't know. I can't do it fast enough for me.
I don't want to know. Hey, Joe, look at this. Yeah,
I'd like to get a couple of those where we leave.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
When you're talking about salami, Joe, those out there, the
higher Italian kinds right to have.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Remember last summer I was out in San Francisco. Yeah,
I went up there to pick up a prisoner. Remember
you were collecting days off? Yeah, I recall I had
one hundred of them coming.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, pretty funny.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Anyway, I met Dan Shelley up there, I mean, ye
Irish keenner.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, he and I went down the Cookie's bar for lunch.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Cookie had some of the salami sliced to like paper,
but almost reads through it.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
That's the way it's supposed to be, I know, Joe.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Anyway, Cookie sliced up a bunch of it, served it
with cold crack crap or I never tasted anything so
good in my life. You know, if you ever read
the newspapers he sliced salami, Yeah, have you all the time?
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Just the funnies. Well, anyway, Fays tried to find.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Him for me.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Salami liked this, bought home all kinds of things. But
she's never found in the right kind.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You know, they'd be hide enough to time tax with him.
She got him on a right never forget old cookie
and that's spread. Well, if you can get your money
into our food for a minute, and I know.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
That'll be tough.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Let's get on with these things going. Yeah, sure, I
got to buy somebody's far we leave. It's like cookie head. Ye,
the space is tttered, Joe, Yeah nothing. Whoever was drank
the milk? He took the bottle out of the.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Refrigeration compartment, bottle sweaters and doesn't depend on it. We
can lift. It's too bad. Not a many places, man.
We've gone over the place from top to bottom, so
there we can't find them. It's not much help, is it.
Came up with one thing, and.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
If you can make something out of it, what's that
outside the window on the back of parking lot.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Came up with an open package cigarette?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Don't know if they belonged to the seat, anything on it.
No fog last night ruined any prints a run boys
have got if you want.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Why would take a look at it.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
It's like everything's against us or another blank throwing view.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Guys trying to break this one. Most of the time
it's I'll leak some boy somewhere along the line of
the guys don't make.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
A mistake and not cover something. Yeah, we've been saying
that for a week.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
This is either the smartest thief I've ever seen or
the luckiest. This his make fum number nineteen. All the
chances to take for nothing. He's not getting anything out
of the jobs.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Maybe he isn't, but we are what headaches.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Nine thirty eight am, we talked to the victim.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
He told us that as near as he could figure,
there was approximately four dollars stolen from the store. Went
on to say that he'd ascertained the five carts of
cigarettes and several boxes.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Of the candy bars were taken.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Who was unable to tell us if any other merchandise
was taken until he made a complete inventory. Went on
to tell us that there was over six hundred dollars
in the safe, but for the spies. He could tell
it had been no attempt to break into it. We
made a canvas of the neighborhood and talked to the neighbors.
None of them recalled having seen any suspicious people in
the neighborhood the night before. None of them had seen
any suspicious automobiles in the area. The one thing that
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was apparent was that the thief was working in a
definite pattern. He worked only on Friday and Saturday night,
always between eight and twelve midnight. Frank and I met
with Captain Bernard and it was decided that we would
maintain a rolling steak out in the area in which
the suspect operated. Four other cars from Mecro Reserves were
assigned to work with us. The next five nights we
worked without The result was slow and tedious, considering the
(09:16):
lack of information on the thief.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
It was the only way we had left.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
We had to be on or near the scene.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
When the feat struck again Saturday night, December nineteenth, Frank
and I met and drove.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Out to the area. The streets were crowded with early
Christmas shoppers.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Sure to be glad when it's over fireless a minute.
How many rooms in your apartment, Joe three.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
You know that you've been there.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah, I won't be enough room. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Say?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
What's Fay got to do with this?
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Hacked Joe real hacked foil as amnut. I got out
this morning. I felt great. Fay's got breakfast on the table,
all nice, A couple eggs, little tick sausages nice. You know. Yeah.
I come down to the tables. She's got the food on,
and I hit her with her what the food?
Speaker 3 (10:02):
No, Joe, I hit her with what I'm about to
tell her.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I tell her I'm gonna have to work tonight. You
work every night this week?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
What's wrong with that? That's the way I figure it.
So I got a way out.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Ye have her. Today is Phay's birthday? You can tell me.
It's not good to tell people, Joe, Oh it is. No,
Phay is over thirty.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah, I kind of figured that, don't you get her?
I'm sorry, pal, you left me a couple of blocks back.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
On this one.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Look, I may never catch up pays over thirty, Joe.
She's getting to the point where she's taken off years.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
See how can he give a person a last birthday present?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I tell you about it.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
She's gonna give her a present only now instead of thirty,
she's twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
You understand, Well, it'll be perfectly honest with you know,
but as long as you do, it's.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Perfectly all right with me.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, what about this morning? Well, I tell her I
was gonna have to go to work. I got this
present for her, brand new deep fat fryor real good. Well,
I'll wrapped up deep fat fryor I'll wrap up with.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
The ribbon, beautiful, shiny, beautiful. So you gave it to her,
just do any good? Not a pound? You know what
she does with it? Well, at this point I wouldn't
even want to get I'm serious, Joe, this made me
the end of my home. Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
She doesn't even open it, just puts it in the
closet on the back porch, doesn't even pull a paper
apart the peak.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
And what's in it? Real mad Joe, you may not
put me back in the house tonight. Don't even apologize
when you get home. I don't know, Joe Fay is
pretty sore. I didn't even open the press and even
in a peak. Huh, Yeah, how where's coming from? Yeah?
It sounds like up on seventh.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Come on, yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Here for.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
I'll take a front all right, Hey, hold it up there,
plase off shop for all shoes?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Nice, come on your way, okay, take it easy to
shoot come on, he seal me? Who ah shoot me?
Didn't matter anymore? Right, yeah, just to kiss you. Let
me see what are you doing in the store? Son?
Speaker 6 (12:23):
What do you think I'm doing?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
You asked your questions? Son, cotty stupid?
Speaker 6 (12:28):
What do you think I was doing?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
How many stories? You're broken into the sun? He get
off to your sholf. Look what are you gonna chip
on your shoulder? You're a good guy.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
I'll give me a lot of conversations.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Do what you want to do?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
All right, boy, you call it?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Come on.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Eleven fifty p m. We called the office and told
him that we had a subject in custody and that
we were taking in the judge street. Jubernil dull. Let's
put the boy in.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Our car and we waited until a radio car ride.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
We asked the officers to notify the owner of the
store and stand by until he got there. We also
asked if they make a four to fifty nine report.
Eleven fifty five pm we started to take the youngster
to the juvenile bureau.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
What's your name? Son? What difference does it mean? Acting
like that isn't gonna help you. You guys, pick me up.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Remember you worry about it?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
I got nothing to be afraid.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Oh, yes you have.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Boy, You could have been shot back there.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
Maybe you should have pulled a trigger.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
What's somewh what's the matter with you? Why are you
acting like this? You just got real lucky back there.
That's the only reason you're alive now. Was dark in there,
But as I could tell you were an adult. You
didn't stop when I told you do. Now, according to
the book, I could have shot you.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
You know that.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Don't you killing the kids?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
That'll make you a big mess.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Oh, I'm just bringing it up to prove a point.
Say my look, son, I'm gonna tell you something. When
you break into a place at night, you're not a
kid anymore. You're asking for trouble. You've got both your
pockets full of it. The way you work tonight makes
us think you're mixed up in a lot more affects
than just tonight.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
That right. You ever been arrested before, No, never been
in trouble with them all.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Sure, I'm a real critinal. I got a ticket once
for ride my bike through a boulevard stop radio cars
stop me and tagging big deal. Something's gonna send me
to San Quentin. Say you can give me the dash chunder.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
How old are you? What difference does that mean? How
old are you? You? Figure? All right? You looks like
you're about eleven to me, that's what everybody thinks.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Me fifteen an.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Next person, I'll kid us side.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
It's the truth. Fifteen, that's what I'll be fifteen.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Where were you born?
Speaker 6 (14:22):
Nineteen thirty nine November second?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
You're small for your age, don't you Why do you
say that? Aren't you got nothing to do with it?
Nothing at all?
Speaker 6 (14:29):
I can do anything that any other kids can do anything.
Don't you forget that?
Speaker 1 (14:33):
It's the matter with you? Is that a sorrow point
with you?
Speaker 6 (14:36):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Your size? Is that a sorrow point?
Speaker 6 (14:38):
There's nothing wrong with my shis doctor says that I'm
all right. Is that some people aren't meant to.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Be as big as others. That's all.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
There's nothing wrong with me.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
We'll not come on so want you do. I'll let
you know. We're gonna find out.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
How are you gonna find out?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
We will now, why don't you save us all a
lot of time and tell us the truth?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Here?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Would be better if you dead.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
If I do tell you you put the papers us.
I tell you you gonna get in the papers, not
from us. Can't tell you then?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
You mean, if there's no reporters around you, I'm gonna
tell us your name? Is that it?
Speaker 6 (15:10):
That's the where it is.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
That's kind of funny in it.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
That's the way it looks to you.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Where do you living?
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Can't tell you?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
That is? If you've got things all wrong? Son?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
It is what you wanna tell us. That's got nothing
to do with this. You're gonna tell us what we
wanna know sooner or later.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
Where we going?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Georgia Street, that's where the jail is. Why do the
ask seth? Because I wanna know?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah, there's a jail there.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Reporters what they're gonna be reported for?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
What is this thing with reporters in you? What's it
all about?
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Reporters put your name in the papers, don't they sometimes?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Well, you get the.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
Reporters all lined up, you get 'em from all the papers.
You have him there, and I'll tell you all about it,
the whole story. You just get the reporters and the photographers.
Be sure about them, cause I want some pictures too.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Old.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Look, let me get this straight. What you say you
aren't gonna give us any information without.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
The press being Is that right?
Speaker 6 (16:01):
That's the way it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Well, you got it wrong, boy, What doesn't make any difference.
Who's there? You're gonna come around? Yeah, we'll find out.
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Twelve ten am we got to Georgia Street Juvenile Bureau.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Frank pulled the car into the side alley and we
took the subject out of the back seat.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Out this way sounds it's a shitty looking place. Yeah,
well it's been here a long time, out of a picture.
Don't you worried about it?
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
We want to take him down to the hall, Frank,
I'll check with heart Grove. Yeah, come on by. Hey,
Friday working kind of late, aren't you? Yeah we are.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I got the enough from Simmons on the milkburglaries, checked
around the night wise, not none, as I.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Didn't cut it. I don't think you have to worry
about it. I think we got the answers.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Yeah, I just picked up a kid.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
We got him dead to rights to the market open
bottle of milk right next to the cash register. Where
is he now? Thanks?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Got him down the hall. You think he's your boy,
And it looks like and everything he adds, uh the entrance.
What he tried to take the milk all along?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Seemed to fit. You get that kind of a case.
What are he's worrying about? There's two things. Yeah, who
he is and why he did it? He won't tell
it you now.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
It's got some big thing working about the press says
he won't give us anything without reporters being there.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Makes his rough toil.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
You know the policy, Yeah I do.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
He won't let us help him if he wants publicity.
Take me down, introduce me as a reporter. No one
might do it. Won't do any harm to try. Let's
go go ahead. Thanks you who am I get to be? Well?
Tell him, he said, Hughes from the Mirror. You might
as well be wanted the good ones.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Sudden he wanted to talk to somebody from the papers.
It's against the policy, but we swiling for with the CID.
Hughes from the Mirror.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
All right, you throw the hell guy guy in the
phone in Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah great, I read all about it. You gonna write
me up like that. I hope that's I remember two
men killed in that operation who read all the stories
everybody did.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
That's what I mean for you to write.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Me up with a picture.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
What makes you think you got it coming?
Speaker 4 (18:20):
You break into one store and try to steal a
couple of cartons of cigarettes, So that doesn't make the
first page.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
One store.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
I got into nineteen of them, nineteen before they caught me.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
That's important, isn't. That's a story.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
It might be a couple of things.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
You better get straightened out of here.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
First off, what's your name? Better get your notebook out?
Be able to take all this down. Don't worry about it, son,
you just answer the questions. I'll get it.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
Yeah, okay, my name is Joe Royd Brian.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
That's E L ry g.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
R A H A M.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
How old I am?
Speaker 6 (18:52):
I told you once.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Almost fifteen you said you'd broken in the nineteen stores.
Is that right?
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Nineteen might have made a more of something went wrong
tonight had trouble with the burger alarm, but I turned
it off.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Bad mistake.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
He's still working.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
It wasn't for that.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
I guess it only takes one though, mister Hugheston, Yeah,
I guess.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
So you want to tell us why you did it?
Speaker 6 (19:13):
What?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, had to have a reason for committing.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
These vibe reason. You want to tell us what it was?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Sure good reason, real good, I tell it. Wall.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
You see, I always had trouble at school, never seemed
to quite make it. All the guys like me, they
all did. All the girls do too. Got girls calling
me almost every night, asked me to take him the
dance of stuff like that. I't'ta go much for stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
You can understand, kench mister Hughes, go ahead, all right.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Well, they wanted me for all the teams football, basketball
all the time, asked me to play. But I figured,
if you wanna get head in the world, you gotta
have an aim someplace where you wanna get figure out
that work for it, and you're gonna get there, don't
you play that?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
True, mister Hughes, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
That's the way it was with me all the time,
turned down office to be on some hm telling some
girl I couldn't take her to a dance, just didn't
have the time. Somehow I just couldn't make it. You
can understand it.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
You've been around, you know, all the successful kind of people.
You write something, a lot of people leave it.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
You know what I mean, don't you?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Well? What's the matter? Something wrong?
Speaker 6 (20:21):
I'm trying to tell you what happened.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I'm giving it to you straight. What's the matter.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Now?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
You wanna tell us the truth?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Ol Roy?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
What? I don't know why you're trying to sell us
this lion boy?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
It isn't necessary.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I don't know why you did what you did, but
I do know you had a reason for it. You know,
that's all we wanna know, just the reason.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
You don't believe me?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Graid enough? How about you? No sign of dog, mister Hughes.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
No, can't even lie right, can't even tell a lie good?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
All my life I've been trying to be like other.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Kids, oh time, getting beat up, getting left.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Out of things.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
You know, why do you know?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Go aheads?
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Big reason, biggest reason in the world. Cause I'm almost
fifteen years old. 'em four feet seven inches tall, four
feet seven weight ninety seven pounds. That ain't very big,
not big enough? All the time? How the kids shoving
you around all the time.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
You're the joke.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
It's the time when you figure it's easy to laugh too,
cause if you don't, some kid's gonna beat you up.
Get to the point where you don't care anymore. I
used to clip up those coupons and send 'em in.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Get the books back on how to build myself up.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
Worked at it didn't do nothing for me. Was still
four feet seven and weigh ninety seven pounds. All the
stuff I took didn't do no good. Still came out
four feet seven, ninety seven pounds.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
All right, SMI, you wanna tell us about the brigories.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I did it to be big.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
That's why I had the things other people wanted, cigarettes, candy,
the other things kids wanted.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I had all that stuff that the other kids wanted.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Make me important, don't you see that. You gotta understand it,
mister Hughes. That's why I wanted my picture in the papers.
That's why I wanted the story. Those kids would know
that I'd.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Done something big, so they know, alright, sith, it's gonna
be our right out here.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Know it is Like everything else I tried to do,
I lost it up. I didn't mean to steal, but
it was the only thing to do, the only way
I had.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I wasn't through some other no, No, there wasn't all
the time, the other kids laughing all.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
The time talking. You just couldn't stand it anymore. I
just couldn't.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Ago.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Thanks, you can understand attention, it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
What's that sense?
Speaker 6 (23:10):
Wasn't so much of a kid saying I was little?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah? I didn't want to think I was small.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Twelve thirty six am. We contacted the parents of the
grand boy and asked him to come down to the station.
He talked to him for an hour and tried to
fill him in. If you were the fact that the
parents of the subject were responsible person. The boy would
book for violation in the section four fifty nine PC
to England and he was released to his parents, depending
his hearing a juvenile court. Five days passed and we
heard nothing from the boy.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
On December twenty fourth, Frank and I checked into the
office Friday, Daryl, get in the back on see you.
It's been okay, Thank you find us to Friday.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Huh Roy, what can we do for you?
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Well, I guess you think it's kind of funny.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (24:05):
I wanna tell you that I should think it's good
what you did for me, help me with that burgery thing.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
The other night.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Well it isn't over yet, sun the court it's still has.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
To make a decision right now.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
Yeah, but what you did to make me feel better.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
As far as I'm concerned, whatever the judge decides, I'll
go along with it.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
I long talk with my folks, so we got it
all talked down, all the way talked out.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Well that's good, so we're glad of it.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Then maybe you guys won't like it.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
I mean, me knowing you such a short time and all. Well,
but I wanted to bring you these merry Christmas.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Well that's off, and I said, Elroy, but it isn't necessary.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I wanna get them to you anyway.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
For what you did for 'em.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
All that's mighty nice to be alright, Sure, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Couple of patches of cigarettes. Hope they're the kind of smoke, yes,
and they'll be fine. Thanks. So well you guys run
huh yeah, sure said.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Just one more thanks Sargon.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yes, sir, just that you got to know here, what's said.
I didn't steal alone.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Elroy Merton Graham appeared before the Juvenile Court where he
admitted the alleged burglaries.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
At this time under the Council of the Judge of
the Juvenile Court. The subject was placed under the care
of the Probation Department for a period of three years,
with the provision that his parents take into a competent
psychiatrist
Ladies and gentlemen. The story you were about to hear
is true. The names have been changed to protect.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
The innocent drag men. You're a detective sergeant.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
You're assigned the burglary detail.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
In the past two months, a thief has broken into
eighteen markets. There's no lead to his whereabouts, no clue
to his identity. Your job get him.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
It was Monday, December fourteenth.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
It was cold in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
We were working to day, watched out of burglery detail.
My partner's Frank Smith. The boss is Captain Burnhard. My
name is Friday. We're on our way out of the office.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
It was eight oh five am and we got the
Jersey Street Juvenile Bureau Sergeant Linday Simmons us.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, but did you give it him?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Uh huh Yeah, what you say?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, well when he come back? Uh huh, Well did
he have it for you? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Well, I don't teach you not to go that route anymore,
all right, Patrick, tell us starting to call me when.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
He gets back, right, ah, my price man? Oh yeah,
when he just talking to Jean Patrick over Holland Park.
You know, yeah, I met him a couple of times,
picked up a youngster a couple of days.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Ago on suspicion and burglary brought him into the office
and Patrick talked to me. Yeah, well, he finally bought
it that the kid didn't have anything to do with
the sets.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
He told him to go home. Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Kid told Gene he didn't have the money to get home,
said Jeanie. Gave him twenty cents.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Kids score, come in and pay it back?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Did he?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, he came in this.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Morning, gave Patrick two dimes, told him patter believe in
the story. Then Patrick got the kicker. Kid really did
break into a house last night.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
To get the money? Or Patrick got to say about that?
Says the kids.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Honist in the sort of way did pay him back?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Or is the other? And now got him over hide
and park you with him? I better calls you.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Maybe I can give him add I got the couple
of street carcos. Something won't be using I I'd like
to have him and.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I'll hold it follows you.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I don't think i'd bring it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Up to him for a couple of days. But what
can I do for you too? Well, Lindsey, we've been
working on a string of burgeries.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
You maybe got the word on them.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I don't think so. It's the story a bunch of
store burgeries. Papers At tagged them the milk bottle jobs.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Oh yeah yeah, seen as Hardcrover was telling me something
about him the other day. And where do we come in? Well,
the way the job's lucky.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
We've been thinking that maybe he's belong in your department
instead of ours.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I figure that first off, the milk thing, what do
you mean every job he's full. We found an empty
milk bottle on the counter.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Okay, what's that proves? Well, milk and kids go together. Sure,
so the milk and ulcers. Maybe your thief's got the
bullhards when he gets into the store.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Now, Lindsey, there's another thing.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
The way he prowls the place is all. He takes
his petty cash, just a couple of bucks outside, candy cigarettes,
nothing big. Some of the places he's gone into. You
but open the shafe of the pocket knife and he
hasn't even made a move toward him.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Maybe he's flipped the maniac got a lot of them
on the books. Maybe that's the way he gets his
kick claw.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
It's a nice try it If you know anybody that
can climb through a fourteen by ten inch hold, you
trot them up and we'll talk to him.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Okay, I haven't got the names on my desk, but
you take a trip to Centa neither you'll meet a
lot of jockeys. You guys know we'll go along.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
With you on this thing.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Anything we can do, but until we're sure that there's
a juvenile involved, there's.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Nothing we can do.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Anything turns up, we'll be sure to turn over to
you so.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
That we're not trying to prom this thing off on you. Lindsey,
we've had the Stat's office make so many runs on
small adults as the cars they're wearing now, it just
seems that none of the leeds we've been chasing come
out anywhere.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
And figure that maybe you could come up with some
answers for us. Well, that's a new one. I meet
Joe this milk bit.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I've heard of a couple of fees and went for it,
but I can't name you a juvenile off man. I'll
fast the word around today, wat see what they can
come up with. I'll leaven know for high crows they
can pass it on the night watch.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Well, appreciate anything you can do.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
No trouble been running your ragon on this huh pretty rough.
It's just that we can't seem to be able to
come up with anything of that. Add yeah, excuse me, yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Georgia Street, Jeveln' Sergant Simmons. Yeah, yeah, there which one. Okay,
hang on, I'm a few joy your office.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Thanks, Fidynian, Yeah right away.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
What's the effet?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, so I got it Welle right away? Whoop Yeah,
call him right a while. Let's go the milk bottle
kid he hit again. The call had come from Lieutenant
Ginder and Burgery.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
He told us that he'd just gotten a call from
a store keeper named Marty Darra Burtis. The man had
called the report of burgery at his store at the
corner of Jackson and Broadway Streets. Lieutenant Ginder told us
if the clime Lab had been notified, and the dispatched
the crew to investigate the premises for physical evidence. Frank
and I left Georgia Street Juvenial. We drove over to
figure Off and then we turned over on the Broadway.
The store that had been broken into was a small
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Italion delic acession on the southeast corner.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
By the time we got there, the clime Lab crew
had already arrived and.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Was winding up their investigation. We walked into the place
and we met with great thinker. A Hi, Joe, right right,
how's it going? The usual thing? Bottle of milk on
the counter? You gonna check it over?
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Or went back here? Thief made his entrance back here
at rear.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Of the store.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Now they broke out the window pane. Yeah, not very big,
yuh and measures nine and a half.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Or twelve three quarter?
Speaker 1 (05:18):
No alarm on the window? Huh? Yeah, I can see
the wires here.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Take a look.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Oh yeah, how come the alarm didn't go off? I
talked to the owner.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
He said he's had trouble the alarm system last a
couple of weeks, called the company and asked them to
fix it.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
He thought it was okay because there's.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Something wrong some poy. It didn't work last night. What
kind of alarm was it? Right outside? I'm a building,
you know the kind?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah? Or did you chake this time?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Right? Usual round of stuff?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
According to the owner, there about four cart and the
cigarettes messing several bucks of candy. He can't be absolutely sure,
so he's got to check his stock. Be better to
talk to him on that. Yeah, we will we'll catch
him later. I want to wait a minute. I'll check
and see how the boys are doing on the print.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Had him check the counter and milk about thanks, Ray,
you right back fire. I wonder what we're gonna boil
the whistle.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
On this guy.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I don't know. I can't do it fast enough for me.
I don't want to know. Hey, Joe, look at this. Yeah,
I'd like to get a couple of those where we leave.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
When you're talking about salami, Joe, those out there, the
higher Italian kinds right to have.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Remember last summer I was out in San Francisco. Yeah,
I went up there to pick up a prisoner. Remember
you were collecting days off? Yeah, I recall I had
one hundred of them coming.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, pretty funny.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Anyway, I met Dan Shelley up there, I mean, ye
Irish keenner.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, he and I went down the Cookie's bar for lunch.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Cookie had some of the salami sliced to like paper,
but almost reads through it.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
That's the way it's supposed to be, I know, Joe.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Anyway, Cookie sliced up a bunch of it, served it
with cold crack crap or I never tasted anything so
good in my life. You know, if you ever read
the newspapers he sliced salami, Yeah, have you all the time?
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Just the funnies. Well, anyway, Fays tried to find.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Him for me.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Salami liked this, bought home all kinds of things. But
she's never found in the right kind.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You know, they'd be hide enough to time tax with him.
She got him on a right never forget old cookie
and that's spread. Well, if you can get your money
into our food for a minute, and I know.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
That'll be tough.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Let's get on with these things going. Yeah, sure, I
got to buy somebody's far we leave. It's like cookie head. Ye,
the space is tttered, Joe, Yeah nothing. Whoever was drank
the milk? He took the bottle out of the.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Refrigeration compartment, bottle sweaters and doesn't depend on it. We
can lift. It's too bad. Not a many places, man.
We've gone over the place from top to bottom, so
there we can't find them. It's not much help, is it.
Came up with one thing, and.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
If you can make something out of it, what's that
outside the window on the back of parking lot.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Came up with an open package cigarette?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Don't know if they belonged to the seat, anything on it.
No fog last night ruined any prints a run boys
have got if you want.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Why would take a look at it.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
It's like everything's against us or another blank throwing view.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Guys trying to break this one. Most of the time
it's I'll leak some boy somewhere along the line of
the guys don't make.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
A mistake and not cover something. Yeah, we've been saying
that for a week.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
This is either the smartest thief I've ever seen or
the luckiest. This his make fum number nineteen. All the
chances to take for nothing. He's not getting anything out
of the jobs.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Maybe he isn't, but we are what headaches.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Nine thirty eight am, we talked to the victim.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
He told us that as near as he could figure,
there was approximately four dollars stolen from the store. Went
on to say that he'd ascertained the five carts of
cigarettes and several boxes.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Of the candy bars were taken.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Who was unable to tell us if any other merchandise
was taken until he made a complete inventory. Went on
to tell us that there was over six hundred dollars
in the safe, but for the spies. He could tell
it had been no attempt to break into it. We
made a canvas of the neighborhood and talked to the neighbors.
None of them recalled having seen any suspicious people in
the neighborhood the night before. None of them had seen
any suspicious automobiles in the area. The one thing that
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was apparent was that the thief was working in a
definite pattern. He worked only on Friday and Saturday night,
always between eight and twelve midnight. Frank and I met
with Captain Bernard and it was decided that we would
maintain a rolling steak out in the area in which
the suspect operated. Four other cars from Mecro Reserves were
assigned to work with us. The next five nights we
worked without The result was slow and tedious, considering the
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lack of information on the thief.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
It was the only way we had left.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
We had to be on or near the scene.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
When the feat struck again Saturday night, December nineteenth, Frank
and I met and drove.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Out to the area. The streets were crowded with early
Christmas shoppers.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Sure to be glad when it's over fireless a minute.
How many rooms in your apartment, Joe three.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
You know that you've been there.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah, I won't be enough room. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Say?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
What's Fay got to do with this?
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Hacked Joe real hacked foil as amnut. I got out
this morning. I felt great. Fay's got breakfast on the table,
all nice, A couple eggs, little tick sausages nice. You know. Yeah.
I come down to the tables. She's got the food on,
and I hit her with her what the food?
Speaker 3 (10:02):
No, Joe, I hit her with what I'm about to
tell her.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I tell her I'm gonna have to work tonight. You
work every night this week?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
What's wrong with that? That's the way I figure it.
So I got a way out.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Ye have her. Today is Phay's birthday? You can tell me.
It's not good to tell people, Joe, Oh it is. No,
Phay is over thirty.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah, I kind of figured that, don't you get her?
I'm sorry, pal, you left me a couple of blocks back.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
On this one.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Look, I may never catch up pays over thirty, Joe.
She's getting to the point where she's taken off years.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
See how can he give a person a last birthday present?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I tell you about it.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
She's gonna give her a present only now instead of thirty,
she's twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
You understand, Well, it'll be perfectly honest with you know,
but as long as you do, it's.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Perfectly all right with me.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, what about this morning? Well, I tell her I
was gonna have to go to work. I got this
present for her, brand new deep fat fryor real good. Well,
I'll wrapped up deep fat fryor I'll wrap up with.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
The ribbon, beautiful, shiny, beautiful. So you gave it to her,
just do any good? Not a pound? You know what
she does with it? Well, at this point I wouldn't
even want to get I'm serious, Joe, this made me
the end of my home. Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
She doesn't even open it, just puts it in the
closet on the back porch, doesn't even pull a paper
apart the peak.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
And what's in it? Real mad Joe, you may not
put me back in the house tonight. Don't even apologize
when you get home. I don't know, Joe Fay is
pretty sore. I didn't even open the press and even
in a peak. Huh, Yeah, how where's coming from? Yeah?
It sounds like up on seventh.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Come on, yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Here for.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
I'll take a front all right, Hey, hold it up there,
plase off shop for all shoes?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Nice, come on your way, okay, take it easy to
shoot come on, he seal me? Who ah shoot me?
Didn't matter anymore? Right, yeah, just to kiss you. Let
me see what are you doing in the store? Son?
Speaker 6 (12:23):
What do you think I'm doing?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
You asked your questions? Son, cotty stupid?
Speaker 6 (12:28):
What do you think I was doing?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
How many stories? You're broken into the sun? He get
off to your sholf. Look what are you gonna chip
on your shoulder? You're a good guy.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
I'll give me a lot of conversations.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Do what you want to do?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
All right, boy, you call it?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Come on.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Eleven fifty p m. We called the office and told
him that we had a subject in custody and that
we were taking in the judge street. Jubernil dull. Let's
put the boy in.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Our car and we waited until a radio car ride.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
We asked the officers to notify the owner of the
store and stand by until he got there. We also
asked if they make a four to fifty nine report.
Eleven fifty five pm we started to take the youngster
to the juvenile bureau.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
What's your name? Son? What difference does it mean? Acting
like that isn't gonna help you. You guys, pick me up.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Remember you worry about it?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
I got nothing to be afraid.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Oh, yes you have.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Boy, You could have been shot back there.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
Maybe you should have pulled a trigger.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
What's somewh what's the matter with you? Why are you
acting like this? You just got real lucky back there.
That's the only reason you're alive now. Was dark in there,
But as I could tell you were an adult. You
didn't stop when I told you do. Now, according to
the book, I could have shot you.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
You know that.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Don't you killing the kids?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
That'll make you a big mess.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Oh, I'm just bringing it up to prove a point.
Say my look, son, I'm gonna tell you something. When
you break into a place at night, you're not a
kid anymore. You're asking for trouble. You've got both your
pockets full of it. The way you work tonight makes
us think you're mixed up in a lot more affects
than just tonight.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
That right. You ever been arrested before, No, never been
in trouble with them all.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Sure, I'm a real critinal. I got a ticket once
for ride my bike through a boulevard stop radio cars
stop me and tagging big deal. Something's gonna send me
to San Quentin. Say you can give me the dash chunder.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
How old are you? What difference does that mean? How
old are you? You? Figure? All right? You looks like
you're about eleven to me, that's what everybody thinks.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Me fifteen an.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Next person, I'll kid us side.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
It's the truth. Fifteen, that's what I'll be fifteen.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Where were you born?
Speaker 6 (14:22):
Nineteen thirty nine November second?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
You're small for your age, don't you Why do you
say that? Aren't you got nothing to do with it?
Nothing at all?
Speaker 6 (14:29):
I can do anything that any other kids can do anything.
Don't you forget that?
Speaker 1 (14:33):
It's the matter with you? Is that a sorrow point
with you?
Speaker 6 (14:36):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Your size? Is that a sorrow point?
Speaker 6 (14:38):
There's nothing wrong with my shis doctor says that I'm
all right. Is that some people aren't meant to.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Be as big as others. That's all.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
There's nothing wrong with me.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
We'll not come on so want you do. I'll let
you know. We're gonna find out.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
How are you gonna find out?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
We will now, why don't you save us all a
lot of time and tell us the truth?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Here?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Would be better if you dead.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
If I do tell you you put the papers us.
I tell you you gonna get in the papers, not
from us. Can't tell you then?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
You mean, if there's no reporters around you, I'm gonna
tell us your name? Is that it?
Speaker 6 (15:10):
That's the where it is.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
That's kind of funny in it.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
That's the way it looks to you.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Where do you living?
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Can't tell you?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
That is? If you've got things all wrong? Son?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
It is what you wanna tell us. That's got nothing
to do with this. You're gonna tell us what we
wanna know sooner or later.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
Where we going?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Georgia Street, that's where the jail is. Why do the
ask seth? Because I wanna know?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah, there's a jail there.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Reporters what they're gonna be reported for?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
What is this thing with reporters in you? What's it
all about?
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Reporters put your name in the papers, don't they sometimes?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Well, you get the.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
Reporters all lined up, you get 'em from all the papers.
You have him there, and I'll tell you all about it,
the whole story. You just get the reporters and the photographers.
Be sure about them, cause I want some pictures too.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Old.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Look, let me get this straight. What you say you
aren't gonna give us any information without.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
The press being Is that right?
Speaker 6 (16:01):
That's the way it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Well, you got it wrong, boy, What doesn't make any difference.
Who's there? You're gonna come around? Yeah, we'll find out.
(16:27):
Twelve ten am we got to Georgia Street Juvenile Bureau.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Frank pulled the car into the side alley and we
took the subject out of the back seat.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Out this way sounds it's a shitty looking place. Yeah,
well it's been here a long time, out of a picture.
Don't you worried about it?
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
We want to take him down to the hall, Frank,
I'll check with heart Grove. Yeah, come on by. Hey,
Friday working kind of late, aren't you? Yeah we are.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I got the enough from Simmons on the milkburglaries, checked
around the night wise, not none, as I.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Didn't cut it. I don't think you have to worry
about it. I think we got the answers.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Yeah, I just picked up a kid.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
We got him dead to rights to the market open
bottle of milk right next to the cash register. Where
is he now? Thanks?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Got him down the hall. You think he's your boy,
And it looks like and everything he adds, uh the entrance.
What he tried to take the milk all along?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Seemed to fit. You get that kind of a case.
What are he's worrying about? There's two things. Yeah, who
he is and why he did it? He won't tell
it you now.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
It's got some big thing working about the press says
he won't give us anything without reporters being there.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Makes his rough toil.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
You know the policy, Yeah I do.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
He won't let us help him if he wants publicity.
Take me down, introduce me as a reporter. No one
might do it. Won't do any harm to try. Let's
go go ahead. Thanks you who am I get to be? Well?
Tell him, he said, Hughes from the Mirror. You might
as well be wanted the good ones.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Sudden he wanted to talk to somebody from the papers.
It's against the policy, but we swiling for with the CID.
Hughes from the Mirror.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
All right, you throw the hell guy guy in the
phone in Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah great, I read all about it. You gonna write
me up like that. I hope that's I remember two
men killed in that operation who read all the stories
everybody did.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
That's what I mean for you to write.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Me up with a picture.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
What makes you think you got it coming?
Speaker 4 (18:20):
You break into one store and try to steal a
couple of cartons of cigarettes, So that doesn't make the
first page.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
One store.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
I got into nineteen of them, nineteen before they caught me.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
That's important, isn't. That's a story.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
It might be a couple of things.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
You better get straightened out of here.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
First off, what's your name? Better get your notebook out?
Be able to take all this down. Don't worry about it, son,
you just answer the questions. I'll get it.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
Yeah, okay, my name is Joe Royd Brian.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
That's E L ry g.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
R A H A M.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
How old I am?
Speaker 6 (18:52):
I told you once.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Almost fifteen you said you'd broken in the nineteen stores.
Is that right?
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Nineteen might have made a more of something went wrong
tonight had trouble with the burger alarm, but I turned
it off.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Bad mistake.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
He's still working.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
It wasn't for that.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
I guess it only takes one though, mister Hugheston, Yeah,
I guess.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
So you want to tell us why you did it?
Speaker 6 (19:13):
What?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, had to have a reason for committing.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
These vibe reason. You want to tell us what it was?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Sure good reason, real good, I tell it. Wall.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
You see, I always had trouble at school, never seemed
to quite make it. All the guys like me, they
all did. All the girls do too. Got girls calling
me almost every night, asked me to take him the
dance of stuff like that. I't'ta go much for stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
You can understand, kench mister Hughes, go ahead, all right.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Well, they wanted me for all the teams football, basketball
all the time, asked me to play. But I figured,
if you wanna get head in the world, you gotta
have an aim someplace where you wanna get figure out
that work for it, and you're gonna get there, don't
you play that?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
True, mister Hughes, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
That's the way it was with me all the time,
turned down office to be on some hm telling some
girl I couldn't take her to a dance, just didn't
have the time. Somehow I just couldn't make it. You
can understand it.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
You've been around, you know, all the successful kind of people.
You write something, a lot of people leave it.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
You know what I mean, don't you?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Well? What's the matter? Something wrong?
Speaker 6 (20:21):
I'm trying to tell you what happened.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I'm giving it to you straight. What's the matter.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Now?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
You wanna tell us the truth?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Ol Roy?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
What? I don't know why you're trying to sell us
this lion boy?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
It isn't necessary.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I don't know why you did what you did, but
I do know you had a reason for it. You know,
that's all we wanna know, just the reason.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
You don't believe me?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Graid enough? How about you? No sign of dog, mister Hughes.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
No, can't even lie right, can't even tell a lie good?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
All my life I've been trying to be like other.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Kids, oh time, getting beat up, getting left.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Out of things.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
You know, why do you know?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Go aheads?
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Big reason, biggest reason in the world. Cause I'm almost
fifteen years old. 'em four feet seven inches tall, four
feet seven weight ninety seven pounds. That ain't very big,
not big enough? All the time? How the kids shoving
you around all the time.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
You're the joke.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
It's the time when you figure it's easy to laugh too,
cause if you don't, some kid's gonna beat you up.
Get to the point where you don't care anymore. I
used to clip up those coupons and send 'em in.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Get the books back on how to build myself up.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
Worked at it didn't do nothing for me. Was still
four feet seven and weigh ninety seven pounds. All the
stuff I took didn't do no good. Still came out
four feet seven, ninety seven pounds.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
All right, SMI, you wanna tell us about the brigories.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I did it to be big.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
That's why I had the things other people wanted, cigarettes, candy,
the other things kids wanted.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I had all that stuff that the other kids wanted.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Make me important, don't you see that. You gotta understand it,
mister Hughes. That's why I wanted my picture in the papers.
That's why I wanted the story. Those kids would know
that I'd.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Done something big, so they know, alright, sith, it's gonna
be our right out here.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Know it is Like everything else I tried to do,
I lost it up. I didn't mean to steal, but
it was the only thing to do, the only way
I had.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I wasn't through some other no, No, there wasn't all
the time, the other kids laughing all.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
The time talking. You just couldn't stand it anymore. I
just couldn't.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Ago.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Thanks, you can understand attention, it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
What's that sense?
Speaker 6 (23:10):
Wasn't so much of a kid saying I was little?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah? I didn't want to think I was small.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Twelve thirty six am. We contacted the parents of the
grand boy and asked him to come down to the station.
He talked to him for an hour and tried to
fill him in. If you were the fact that the
parents of the subject were responsible person. The boy would
book for violation in the section four fifty nine PC
to England and he was released to his parents, depending
his hearing a juvenile court. Five days passed and we
heard nothing from the boy.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
On December twenty fourth, Frank and I checked into the
office Friday, Daryl, get in the back on see you.
It's been okay, Thank you find us to Friday.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Huh Roy, what can we do for you?
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Well, I guess you think it's kind of funny.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (24:05):
I wanna tell you that I should think it's good
what you did for me, help me with that burgery thing.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
The other night.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Well it isn't over yet, sun the court it's still has.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
To make a decision right now.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
Yeah, but what you did to make me feel better.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
As far as I'm concerned, whatever the judge decides, I'll
go along with it.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
I long talk with my folks, so we got it
all talked down, all the way talked out.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Well that's good, so we're glad of it.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Then maybe you guys won't like it.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
I mean, me knowing you such a short time and all. Well,
but I wanted to bring you these merry Christmas.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Well that's off, and I said, Elroy, but it isn't necessary.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I wanna get them to you anyway.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
For what you did for 'em.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
All that's mighty nice to be alright, Sure, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Couple of patches of cigarettes. Hope they're the kind of smoke, yes,
and they'll be fine. Thanks. So well you guys run
huh yeah, sure said.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Just one more thanks Sargon.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yes, sir, just that you got to know here, what's said.
I didn't steal alone.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Elroy Merton Graham appeared before the Juvenile Court where he
admitted the alleged burglaries.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
At this time under the Council of the Judge of
the Juvenile Court. The subject was placed under the care
of the Probation Department for a period of three years,
with the provision that his parents take into a competent
psychiatrist
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