May 14, 2025 • 24 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Ladies and gentlemen. The story you were about to hear
is true.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
The names have been changed to protect the innocent drag men.
You're a detective sergeant. You're assigned to a hit and
run felony detail. A young woman has been run down
and seriously injured. The driver of the car has fled
from the scene. Your job find him.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
It was Tuesday, April seventh. It was cold in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
We were working a day watch out of traffic Barreau
hit and run felony detail. My partner's Frank Smith. The
boss's Captain Calfie. My name's Friday. We're on our way
out from the opposite It was eight forty am when
we got the seventeen eighty four Byron Street front door.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Better try it again, he lay, sound like so many counts.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yeah, something you want.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Miss Hunter?
Speaker 4 (01:04):
That's right. Who you want?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Police officers? We'd like to talk to you.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Oh about the thing last night?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Huh yes, ma'am, that's right.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Well, come on in. I can't stand around for long.
I'm gonna be late for work.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
As it is. Come on, thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It's my partner, Frank Smith. My name is Friday.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
How do you do hi?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Sit down there. I gotta get ready to leave. There's
some coffee there in the crash if you.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Want no, thanks, no, ma'am, thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Would you mind parting me a cup? You'll find everything
right there on the table.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Two sugar?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
All right?
Speaker 5 (01:32):
What do you want to know.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
About last night? I told the officers who.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Were there, all I know, yes, man, we know, we
read their report. We'd like to go over with you.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Feels like a waste of time to meet. Then a
little more of it trying to cast a kid that
hit the girl. It'd be better all the way around.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Ma'am. There's your coffee, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
There either one of you got a cigarette?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yes, d Any right, here's life.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Thanks you.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
What do you wanna go over?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Well, according to what you said to the officers last night,
you saw the accident of.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
That, right, I saw it. Yeah. I don't think it
was an accident, if you ask me, I think the
kid deliberately hit the girl. Deliberately.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Oh why say that?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Which is the way it looked?
Speaker 6 (02:11):
That's all kind of feeling. Wayne came barreling around the corner.
He must have seen her. She was right under the light.
Didn't even make an attempt to stop none at all.
I saw her, the girl step off the curb right
under the light. He had to see her head to anyway.
She stepped off the curb and started across the street.
Harry and me saw her. She started to cross, and
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then all of a sudden, this kid in the hot
rod was coming right at her.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Was anything she could do?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Best? Man?
Speaker 6 (02:40):
She kind of looked up at the car and then
well like she was gonna run, but she didn't have time.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
The car hit her and knocked her down.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Did he get a good look at the car?
Speaker 6 (02:48):
You mean the one that hit her? Yes, man, you
bet I did. Passed right under the light, got a
real good look at it.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
I wonder if you describe it for us, like told
the cops all about it last night.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Seems like that'd be enough. Why do I have to
go through it again?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Well, it might be something he didn't think of last night.
It was hundred something he might have forgotten.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
It isn't likely, But if you got to have it,
I guess that's the way it's gotta be. I hope
we can get it over with fast enough. I gotta
get down to the corner, so I want miss my bus.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Well, if it's help, we can drive you to work.
You can give us information on the way.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Well, that'll be fine. Wait a minute, I'll get my coat.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Huh.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
How did it look when you came in?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Eh?
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Did it look like it was good rain?
Speaker 7 (03:23):
No?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
It was pretty cold though paper said it.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Might rain today, and I don't better take an umbrella.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
What kind of a car wasn't Miss hundred a hot ride?
You know?
Speaker 4 (03:31):
The time? Real low, two weeks off pipes? Kind of
beat up?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Or what kind of a car was it? The brand
name you like?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I guess it was a Ford, looked like for him
hard could tell it was kind of banged up.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
You know.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
I don't know why the police allowed cars like that
on the streets. Anyway, it couldn't be very steak.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Can you tell us what the year of the car was?
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Well, I'm not real good at that, but i'd say
maybe in nineteen forty, might have been nineteen forty one.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
It's a pretty war car though.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yeah, I'm sure that's like kid in man?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, where can we drive you? Man?
Speaker 4 (04:08):
When their first and Broadway will be fine? Just on
the corner there, Okay?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
This hunter? Was anything about the car that did make.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
It easier to identify, not especially black Ford all beat up.
I'm sure i'd not if I saw it again any place.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Did you get a good look at the driver of
the car. No, not too good.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
All I could see was that he was a kid,
you know, maybe nineteen twenty years old. Uh huh, you'll
like to see you get that. Here's the girl, all right,
she looked pretty bad last night.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Oh, she's still in a critical condition. Doctors aren't sure
yet whether she'll be all right.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Sure, hope she is if you talk to her.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
No, we haven't touch yet.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
That's a terrible thing.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
Kids like that running around and hot rides building around
the city. Person's not safe on the streets anymore.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Well, just because the car's got twin tailpipes, Hunter doesn't
have to be a hot ride.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Well, this one was. You even have the little sort
of license plate hanging down.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
From the back bumper, You mean a state license plate.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
No, one of those are the club name on it,
you know, the car.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
There's not a notation of that on the report that
we remember.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I guess I forgot all excitement at all, mister forgot.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Well, did you see the name of that plate?
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, not real good.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
But I saw it. I think you can remember it,
not all of it.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
The last part was wheel something wheels two words.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
You're pretty sure that, yeah, wheels, that's the word I saw.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
I didn't remember it last night. I guess it didn't
seem important. Then it must be a lot of cars
that have those plates on them all over town.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yes, we know.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Don't seem like it's gonna help much. A lot of
cars with those plates on them, lots of them, yes, ma'am.
Even if you do find the kid with one of them,
are you gonna know if he's the right one.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Well, it's not gonna be too hard, huh, Just Carl,
I'll tell us.
Speaker 8 (05:40):
According to the report, an automobile driven by one male
occupant that struck a woman while she crossed the intersection
of Olympic Boulevard and Connecticut Street.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
The night before.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
When the ambulance arrived at the scene, the victim was
identified as missus Helen Chapman was unconscious and was removed
to Georgia Street Receiving Hospital for emergency treatment. Members of
the crime Labbit arrived at the scene and gathered with
physical evidence they could find. All citizens in the vicinity
were interrogated and their statements were taken. Photographs of the
corner were made and held for evidence. Because of the
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hit and run aspect of the case, Frank and I
have been assigned to investigate it. At one fourteen pm,
we drove over to Georgia Street Receiving Hospital to talk
to the attending position, doctor Sebastian. He said the patient's
condition was so critical that she couldn't be moved to
her own hospital. He told us that the victim hadn't
recovered consciousness to the point where she could be questioned,
so went on to tell us that she'd been administered
serah albumin the counteract shock.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
He listed her injuries for us.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Compound fractures of the femur, rib fractures and associated internal
injuries including a punctured lung and brain concussion. Was not
expected that she'd lived. Frank and I left the doctor
and walked down the hall. In the waiting room, we
met a tall, thin man who looked as if he
hadn't slept in several days. On the floor in front
of him was a small pile of half smoked cigarettes.
He identified himself as the victim's husband.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Carl Chapman, I didn't know.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
I came home from work.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
He told me about it. I didn't even know.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Tid they tried to call you at work. Oh, I
guess they call the house. There wasn't anybody home. I
just walked up to the door and there was a
note telling me to call her. Didn't even know about Helen.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I see you'd like a cigarette tape. Thanks. He talked
to the doctor. Yeh, sure, we just did. Is there
anything new?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
She can be all right? Well, I don't know yet.
And that's the doctor yourself. Why don't anybody tell me anything?
All the time I ask how my wife is? They
tell me to ask the doctor. Why won't they tell me?
Speaker 5 (07:28):
I don't know she's can't even find out.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
If she needs anything. He won't let me see her.
And anybody who'll tell me what's really happening in there?
It's been over ten hours. Nobody will tell me what's
going on.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Well, the best thing try to sit down and take
it easily.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Oh that's great to say, Just sit down, easy to say.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
It's not your wife who's in there. This isn't someone
you love. Why are you here anyway?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Why aren't you not.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Trying to get the rotten little plunket did it? Why
don't you left for him? We'll get to him. See
when after Helen's dead? Is that gonna be when you
started looking. We're looking for him now. We came over
in the hopes that we could talk to your wife.
We thought she might be We'll give us some information.
What in God's name do you want from her? The
name and address of the kid I ran it down?
Does you have to get out of bed and go
find him for you? It's your job, yours. Always talk
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about the police department being so good, But what are
you doing. He's standing around here with you're telling the dirt,
waiting for my wife to come to and not to
point the kid out? All right, sir, No, take it easy, naked,
easy nothing.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I listen to me, bullety, if you listen.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
If she dies, if that kid killed her, I'll find him.
I don't know how, but I will. I'm gonna do
the same thing to him with my hands that he
did with this car.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I'll find him.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I swear I'll find him, and I'm gonna kill him
with my hands.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I'm gonna kill him.
Speaker 9 (08:37):
Mit you, Chapman, Yeah, I see you for a moment, Yeah,
did you excuse us for a minute, So if you sure,
I we'll wait out.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
In the hall. Role. Yeah, what what's going on in me?
I know? Better call this him, tell him about that
plate on the car.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Get a broadcast out on a check the phone book
for the address of the National hot Rod Association.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Better talk with Himber.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
We might have something for us on the club, right,
so you better stock coup You better find it fast
because I'm looking too.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
You ought to go home and get some sleeping to Chapman.
Your all warn I'm not.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Gonna get the sleep until I got you. I'd kid
I'm dead. How was the girl?
Speaker 9 (09:25):
She's dead, both of them are, both of 'em. Yeah,
she's gonna have a baby in a couple of months.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Three fifteen pm, Frank and I drove out to the
office of the National hot Rod Association on Hollywood Boulevard.
We met with Bud Coons and Wally Parks. They checked
their records for clubs with the last name Wheels. There
were three in their files. Two were in the eastern
part of the United States, and one was listed as
having headquarters now Hamburg, California.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
We obtained the name and address of the president of
the club and we drove out to see him.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
We found him in the garage behind the house, working
on a nineteen forty one Ford.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
We introduced ourselves and he asked us to sit down.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
What do you want to see me about?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
We understand that you're the president of the Square Wheels.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
All right, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Why how many members do you have in the club?
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Eighteen eighteen actives. There's a couple of guys in the service.
What's this all about anyway? How come the questions?
Speaker 1 (10:15):
All your members have the metal plates for the club
name on their car.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Yeah, you get them when they paid the initiations for
you want.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Anybody else have them? Not legally? What do you mean?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Or a couple of them out have been stolen from members?
Any of the fellows in the club drive a black
pre war forward? Yeah, I guess we got about five
of them. I got one myself. As a matter of fact, listen,
why can't you tell me what this is all about?
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Cigar?
Speaker 5 (10:35):
If I knew what you wanted, I could help you out.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Well.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
A woman was run down by a hot rod last night.
One of the witnesses saw a plate on the car
that might have been from your club.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
No kidding, that's the way we get what they look like.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I always say it had twin pipes, pretty well, beat up,
white side wall tires.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
It's not one of ours. Then they sound pretty sure.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
What about the plate?
Speaker 5 (10:52):
I told you we've had a couple of them stolen.
Must have been one of them.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
How come you're so sure it wasn't one of your members?
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Oh, I know the cars in the club. There's the
year on them.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
What's the yo? Yo?
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Yeah, you know a shot rod junkie? Though I said,
I don't know. It seems like every time there's any
trouble with a car over five years old, it's a
hot rod. Su're not fair.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
That's so.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Yeah, it come out safe.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I'll take a look at that.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
I've been working on it for three years, got over
twelve hundred bucks in it.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Take a look at it. It's a lot of money. Yeah,
that's a good car. But what's approved?
Speaker 5 (11:24):
The car that ran that woman down wasn't a hot rod?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
How do you figure that?
Speaker 5 (11:28):
You said it was a wreck, didn't you.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
We haven't got a wreck that's allowed on the streets
in this club. I don't know a legal club that
has a yoyo in it. We got a safety check
every month. Any car that isn't safe has to be
fixed with the guys out. A lot of clubs operate
that way. Yeah, we know a kid's bill rods for
two reasons, because they want the cars to run better,
be more efficient, or else they want something a little
different than you can buy in a showroom.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Well all this sounds good, but a woman was killed
last night by a kid driving a hopped up car sometime.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Maybe it had twin pips a loud muffler, but I
would give you odds from here to Bonneville that it
wasn't a hot rod. I know our guys feel in it.
We get on and wheel on the secondhand, car is
a potential killer.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
The way the papers pictures.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
We just roam around looking for somebody to run over.
That's not true. You check the records. I think you
will find at the ratio between tickets giving out the
members of hot Rod getting up a year and a half.
The one before that was for overtime parking. I'm sorry, fellow,
was that car last night wasn't one of our guys?
And you didn bet he wasn't a hot rodder either.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
You got any way of knowing who could have gotten
the plank.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
We'll not right off, but we'll find him.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Pout.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
There's only so many streets in Los Angeles. We'll find him.
Guys like that make things rough on the clean drivers
in this town. We'll find him playing.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I don't appreciate any help you can give us on this,
but it's the police business.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
If you find him, give us a call right away.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Don't worry, we will. How do I get in touch
with you?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Leave you one of our cards anytime you call us.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
All right, I'll get on the phone and get the
fellows rounded up.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
You turn it all the way, keep out, drive him
there able to contanes and just say looking. Six forty pm.
Frank and I got back to the office. During the afternoon,
the broadcast on the car going over the state wire,
and every police officer stre in the state of.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
California was looking for the hit and run car.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
When we checked with communications are broadcast seven fifteen pm.
We put in a call at Georgia Street receiving the
hospital and we talked again to doctor Sebastian. He told
us that the victim's husband, Carl Chapman, had been placed
under the care of his family doctor and gets check
from o Ron to leave forty We met back in
the squad room. Any word yet, Nope. Got a call
from Al Gibbs hot Rod Club.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah, he says.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
All the clubs in the area are looking for the car.
They divided the city up in sections. Members are checking
all the streets.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
No lot though on No, nothing. Well, they turned a
couple of cars, but they don't check out. How'd you do?
Pretty good? Got through report here.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I had a couple of sandwiches, sentam, got your swiss
on rye in the bag. Where's coffee right there?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Carton? Oh, the lab street did a good job on
the stuff.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Here, here's a scene.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Victims found ten feet four inches from the northeast corner,
four feet eight inches from.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
The north pedestrian crosswalk and put it about here with me. Yeah,
they found particles.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Of broken glass checked on at the lighthouse keeping got yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I looked at it's new any brand name. Yeah, but
it's not gonna help much distribute it all over the country.
A lot about skid marks, any sign of them? No,
not the either.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
The kid didn't have time to use him rails and
didn't want to. They came up with this though here
with that some Marx from attire. He says he thinks
they were made when the kid dug out to get away,
spun the back wheels sure indicate that he didn't mean
to stop at any time.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Huh, that's the way he leaves.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
Got it?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Figure, I got anybody there? No, don't keep it in surveillance.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
We'll be right out.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, don't burn it right? Fine? What do you got
from its beginning to go our way? Maybe? Huh? They
found the car during a root defficient than it must park.
I'm doing it, say Frank.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
And I notified the crime lab of the find, and
then we left the office and drove out to the location.
We talked to the officers in the police car and
they told us if they hadn't seen anyone near there.
We checked the registration and found that the registered owner
was a Jack Moore. The white slip gave us an
address in Hollywood. While the crime lab went over the car,
we drove out to Moore's address to talk to him.
He lived in a large house built in the mid
twenties as a private residence. It had been converted into
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a boarding house. Frank covered the rear entrance. I rang
the front doorbell.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yeah, what are you an?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Wake me up this time of night, police officers. You
have a tenant here named Jack Moore.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
What about it? We'd like to talk to him too late.
Mac ain't here. Where is he?
Speaker 5 (15:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
He moved out this afternoons. He didn't say where he
was going. A thorough search was made in the suspect's room.
The manager told us that Moore had come home that morning,
packed his belongings and.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Left the house.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
We called the crime lab and Lieutenant Lee Jones told
us that they'd established that Moore's car was the one
that had run down the Chapman girl. We talked to
the other people in the rooming house. None of them
could tell us where Moore might have gone. We went
in the called auto records, but the car not listed
as being stolen. Frank called his name into R and I,
but we found that he had no felony record. From
the occupants of the rooming house, we found that the
suspect had no relatives in this state and no close
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friends that they could recall. Layton Prince came out and
went over the room and then going over it, we
found a waste basket more it used to dispose of
articles that he didn't want. In the basket, we found
several match folders from a bar out on westlun Street.
We put in a call to the bar, but we
found that it was closed, and then answer the rooming house.
We got a good description of the suspect, along with
the information that he received no mail and that he
was apparently unemployed. A stakeout was set up on the
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house and at three thirty six am Frank and I
checked out of the office and went home for the night.
The next day, Wednesday, April late, we contacted DMV and
asked that they give us all information on the cop
fifteen am, we drove over to the bar on West
seventh Street, not open yet. Waste officers like some information licenses.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Back there in the wall in plain sight. There's nothing
going on here.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Do you have a customer in your name? Jack Moore?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
We just opened the doors. We got no say about
who comes in long as they don't cause trouble.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
We don't either.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
This guy's about twenty or twenty one five eight five,
ten hundred and sixty five pounds, blonde names Moore, Jack Moore,
what's he done.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Do you want to talk to him about what police business?
Have you seen him?
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Nothing that's gonna get the bar in trouble.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
That's a simple question, mister. Have you seen him?
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Maybe? Yeah? You tell me what it's all about and
I might be able to help you out.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
You're running out of time. Have you seen Jack Moore? Yeah?
When last night here?
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Yeah, he was in got liquored up. I tossed him
out when we closed.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Where is he now?
Speaker 5 (17:26):
You better ask Kim.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
What's more, If you know where he is, you're gonna
save yourself a lot of time by cooperating with us.
I run a clean place here. I don't want any
trouble with the cops. My license is on the wall.
I got no choice of the customers who come in here.
I don't want to get.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Mixed up in any We're not calling it that way.
That's the way it is.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
This is a clean place.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
That's not what the book says.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
You've been tabbed a couple of times with serving miners.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
You run be girls. You haven't served straight liquor in
here for a couple of years. We haven't made wage.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Oh now, look, fellas, I was just trying to take
care of my You did get your coat? Is there
some way we can work this thing out? I don't
want any trouble.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Where's Jack Moore?
Speaker 5 (17:55):
I try to run a clean place. A couple of
times I've been We've.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Been over all that before. Now where is he?
Speaker 5 (18:00):
I got him up at my place? You there now,
I guess so he got pretty loaded last night. Told
him he didn't have any place to pad down. I
took him home.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
What's the address?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Eighteen sixty two and a half, Woodworth Court, Room fourteen
A right. Still yeah, and don't try to call him.
I got no phone in the room. He's done anything.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
I have no part in it. Just trying to help
a friend out, that's all. Just help a friend out. Yeah, sure,
you tell him that. So he got me in.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Trouble all because I tried to help him out. You
just tell him, yeah, we will, and tell him not
to come around here anymore. Tell him to keep out,
Tell him that was it for me. Tell him not
to come back.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Don't you worry about it? Mm he won't be back.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
We called the office and another team of detectives came
out to the bar to keep the bartender on the
surveillance in the event that he might try to contact
the suspects.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
It took five and a half.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Minutes to drive to the Woodward Street address was a
large building located at the end of a blind street.
Room fourteen was on the third floor in the front
of the building. Frank and I approached the room and
we listened. There was no sound from inside. I want
to try the dark.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah one wt uh. There he is in my bed. Yeah,
looks like the right guy. That was a wake up.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Come on, come on, come on, let me alone, Charlie,
come on, let me alone.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
I told you, Charlie, let me.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Well, you guys, what are you doing you under Wait
a minute, come on, stamp Hill. All right, all right,
I quit? I quit. You want to shake him friend? Yeah, yeah,
he's cleaner. Well, you're taking me.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
I ain't done nothing.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
You get no reason to push me around like that.
Let's go. Where are you gonna take me? Downtime for what? Manslaughter?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
I didn't do what I did, and you got the
wrong guy.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
You got the wrong one.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
I didn't do it.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Move, but you got the wrong one.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I didn't do it.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
I didn't know what you wanted.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
That's why I run. I didn't know what you wanted now,
so let's go. The suspect was taken to the squad room,
where he was questioned. He refused to admit any part
in the crime. He was confronted with the physical evidence
and with the ownership of the.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Hip run vehicle.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
The witness to the crime came to the office and
said that Jack mor was the man that she'd seen
at the wheel.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Of the car when Helen Chapman had been run down.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Throughout the interrogation, the suspect refused to say anything. At
one forty seven pm, the door of the squad room
opened and Carl Chapman came in.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Where is I know he's here.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I want to see I take it easy.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Canet caught him? I want to see him. I want
to tell him.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Is that the kid?
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Are you the one?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
You the one who killed Helen? Will answer me. I
want to take it to your Chapman. Is he the one?
The evidence points that way? Yeah? Please, I want you
to do something for me. What's that full way out
of here?
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Please?
Speaker 3 (20:41):
We can't do that, Chapman, he's in customs. Please please
leave me alone with you.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Come on, Chapman, you better wait outside just a minute.
Listen to me.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Kid, When they put you in that cell, you get
done on your knees and thank God that they found
you before.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Right, did you understand? You thank him in every day
you'll live, You thank you. You do that because I
want to kills you. Take it easy, chat. My wife's
dead because of him. Yeah, that you killed me.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
They got lost to save people like you, but none
for her, None for her and the baby.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
They didn't have any laws, all right, Chapman, Come on,
take it easy, Frank, Come on, I say, yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Pretty upset?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Any I want you to remember something, kid, In the
years I've been in this department, I've seen some bad ones,
real bad teenage kids that didn't know any better, scraped
up off the pavement, send home to their parents, drunks
who were too loaded to know what went on.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
There's been a lot of them go through here. But
you finish way ahead of the field.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Boy, You talk good. I bet you're an e lectured
team around here.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
I'm getting fed up with your kids roaming the streets
and death traps, and I don't care about you. You
want to wrap yourself around a post, you go ahead.
We'll try and stop you, but don't you take somebody
else with you? Every year the number gets bigger, more
people killed. It isn't the honest drivers that do. It's
people like you who don't care for anybody else. We've
tried about everything in the books to make you understand.
Doesn't look like any of them did any good, does it?
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I'm a bad one. Ain't you killed a human being?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Boy? A woman who didn't even know you. She never
saw you until it was too late. You threw a
ten and a half a metal at one hundred and
twenty pound woman, and then you ran away and left
her in the gutter to die. You've wrecked the family.
You tore it right down the middle and rolled over it.
You've ruined the lives of all the people around that woman.
He gave a group of decent v during your feet,
young fellow, he's out?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
What's that? Hit and run? How much will I get?
I don't know, but it won't be enough.
Speaker 9 (22:26):
Jack carlyle Moore was tried and found guilty of manslaughter
one count and received not ascribed by law State Penitentiary
for a period not towick seed ten years. DRAGNT is
a presentation of the United States Armed Forces radio services bust,
Ladies and gentlemen. The story you were about to hear
is true.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
The names have been changed to protect the innocent drag men.
You're a detective sergeant. You're assigned to a hit and
run felony detail. A young woman has been run down
and seriously injured. The driver of the car has fled
from the scene. Your job find him.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
It was Tuesday, April seventh. It was cold in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
We were working a day watch out of traffic Barreau
hit and run felony detail. My partner's Frank Smith. The
boss's Captain Calfie. My name's Friday. We're on our way
out from the opposite It was eight forty am when
we got the seventeen eighty four Byron Street front door.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Better try it again, he lay, sound like so many counts.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yeah, something you want.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Miss Hunter?
Speaker 4 (01:04):
That's right. Who you want?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Police officers? We'd like to talk to you.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Oh about the thing last night?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Huh yes, ma'am, that's right.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Well, come on in. I can't stand around for long.
I'm gonna be late for work.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
As it is. Come on, thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It's my partner, Frank Smith. My name is Friday.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
How do you do hi?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Sit down there. I gotta get ready to leave. There's
some coffee there in the crash if you.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Want no, thanks, no, ma'am, thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Would you mind parting me a cup? You'll find everything
right there on the table.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Two sugar?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
All right?
Speaker 5 (01:32):
What do you want to know.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
About last night? I told the officers who.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Were there, all I know, yes, man, we know, we
read their report. We'd like to go over with you.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Feels like a waste of time to meet. Then a
little more of it trying to cast a kid that
hit the girl. It'd be better all the way around.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Ma'am. There's your coffee, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
There either one of you got a cigarette?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yes, d Any right, here's life.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Thanks you.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
What do you wanna go over?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Well, according to what you said to the officers last night,
you saw the accident of.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
That, right, I saw it. Yeah. I don't think it
was an accident, if you ask me, I think the
kid deliberately hit the girl. Deliberately.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Oh why say that?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Which is the way it looked?
Speaker 6 (02:11):
That's all kind of feeling. Wayne came barreling around the corner.
He must have seen her. She was right under the light.
Didn't even make an attempt to stop none at all.
I saw her, the girl step off the curb right
under the light. He had to see her head to anyway.
She stepped off the curb and started across the street.
Harry and me saw her. She started to cross, and
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then all of a sudden, this kid in the hot
rod was coming right at her.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Was anything she could do?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Best? Man?
Speaker 6 (02:40):
She kind of looked up at the car and then
well like she was gonna run, but she didn't have time.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
The car hit her and knocked her down.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Did he get a good look at the car?
Speaker 6 (02:48):
You mean the one that hit her? Yes, man, you
bet I did. Passed right under the light, got a
real good look at it.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
I wonder if you describe it for us, like told
the cops all about it last night.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Seems like that'd be enough. Why do I have to
go through it again?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Well, it might be something he didn't think of last night.
It was hundred something he might have forgotten.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
It isn't likely, But if you got to have it,
I guess that's the way it's gotta be. I hope
we can get it over with fast enough. I gotta
get down to the corner, so I want miss my bus.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Well, if it's help, we can drive you to work.
You can give us information on the way.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Well, that'll be fine. Wait a minute, I'll get my coat.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Huh.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
How did it look when you came in?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Eh?
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Did it look like it was good rain?
Speaker 7 (03:23):
No?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
It was pretty cold though paper said it.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Might rain today, and I don't better take an umbrella.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
What kind of a car wasn't Miss hundred a hot ride?
You know?
Speaker 4 (03:31):
The time? Real low, two weeks off pipes? Kind of
beat up?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Or what kind of a car was it? The brand
name you like?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I guess it was a Ford, looked like for him
hard could tell it was kind of banged up.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
You know.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
I don't know why the police allowed cars like that
on the streets. Anyway, it couldn't be very steak.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Can you tell us what the year of the car was?
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Well, I'm not real good at that, but i'd say
maybe in nineteen forty, might have been nineteen forty one.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
It's a pretty war car though.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yeah, I'm sure that's like kid in man?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, where can we drive you? Man?
Speaker 4 (04:08):
When their first and Broadway will be fine? Just on
the corner there, Okay?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
This hunter? Was anything about the car that did make.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
It easier to identify, not especially black Ford all beat up.
I'm sure i'd not if I saw it again any place.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Did you get a good look at the driver of
the car. No, not too good.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
All I could see was that he was a kid,
you know, maybe nineteen twenty years old. Uh huh, you'll
like to see you get that. Here's the girl, all right,
she looked pretty bad last night.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Oh, she's still in a critical condition. Doctors aren't sure
yet whether she'll be all right.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Sure, hope she is if you talk to her.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
No, we haven't touch yet.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
That's a terrible thing.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
Kids like that running around and hot rides building around
the city. Person's not safe on the streets anymore.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Well, just because the car's got twin tailpipes, Hunter doesn't
have to be a hot ride.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Well, this one was. You even have the little sort
of license plate hanging down.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
From the back bumper, You mean a state license plate.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
No, one of those are the club name on it,
you know, the car.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
There's not a notation of that on the report that
we remember.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I guess I forgot all excitement at all, mister forgot.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Well, did you see the name of that plate?
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, not real good.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
But I saw it. I think you can remember it,
not all of it.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
The last part was wheel something wheels two words.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
You're pretty sure that, yeah, wheels, that's the word I saw.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
I didn't remember it last night. I guess it didn't
seem important. Then it must be a lot of cars
that have those plates on them all over town.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yes, we know.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Don't seem like it's gonna help much. A lot of
cars with those plates on them, lots of them, yes, ma'am.
Even if you do find the kid with one of them,
are you gonna know if he's the right one.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Well, it's not gonna be too hard, huh, Just Carl,
I'll tell us.
Speaker 8 (05:40):
According to the report, an automobile driven by one male
occupant that struck a woman while she crossed the intersection
of Olympic Boulevard and Connecticut Street.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
The night before.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
When the ambulance arrived at the scene, the victim was
identified as missus Helen Chapman was unconscious and was removed
to Georgia Street Receiving Hospital for emergency treatment. Members of
the crime Labbit arrived at the scene and gathered with
physical evidence they could find. All citizens in the vicinity
were interrogated and their statements were taken. Photographs of the
corner were made and held for evidence. Because of the
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hit and run aspect of the case, Frank and I
have been assigned to investigate it. At one fourteen pm,
we drove over to Georgia Street Receiving Hospital to talk
to the attending position, doctor Sebastian. He said the patient's
condition was so critical that she couldn't be moved to
her own hospital. He told us that the victim hadn't
recovered consciousness to the point where she could be questioned,
so went on to tell us that she'd been administered
serah albumin the counteract shock.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
He listed her injuries for us.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Compound fractures of the femur, rib fractures and associated internal
injuries including a punctured lung and brain concussion. Was not
expected that she'd lived. Frank and I left the doctor
and walked down the hall. In the waiting room, we
met a tall, thin man who looked as if he
hadn't slept in several days. On the floor in front
of him was a small pile of half smoked cigarettes.
He identified himself as the victim's husband.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Carl Chapman, I didn't know.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
I came home from work.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
He told me about it. I didn't even know.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Tid they tried to call you at work. Oh, I
guess they call the house. There wasn't anybody home. I
just walked up to the door and there was a
note telling me to call her. Didn't even know about Helen.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I see you'd like a cigarette tape. Thanks. He talked
to the doctor. Yeh, sure, we just did. Is there
anything new?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
She can be all right? Well, I don't know yet.
And that's the doctor yourself. Why don't anybody tell me anything?
All the time I ask how my wife is? They
tell me to ask the doctor. Why won't they tell me?
Speaker 5 (07:28):
I don't know she's can't even find out.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
If she needs anything. He won't let me see her.
And anybody who'll tell me what's really happening in there?
It's been over ten hours. Nobody will tell me what's
going on.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Well, the best thing try to sit down and take
it easily.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Oh that's great to say, Just sit down, easy to say.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
It's not your wife who's in there. This isn't someone
you love. Why are you here anyway?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Why aren't you not.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Trying to get the rotten little plunket did it? Why
don't you left for him? We'll get to him. See
when after Helen's dead? Is that gonna be when you
started looking. We're looking for him now. We came over
in the hopes that we could talk to your wife.
We thought she might be We'll give us some information.
What in God's name do you want from her? The
name and address of the kid I ran it down?
Does you have to get out of bed and go
find him for you? It's your job, yours. Always talk
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about the police department being so good, But what are
you doing. He's standing around here with you're telling the dirt,
waiting for my wife to come to and not to
point the kid out? All right, sir, No, take it easy, naked,
easy nothing.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I listen to me, bullety, if you listen.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
If she dies, if that kid killed her, I'll find him.
I don't know how, but I will. I'm gonna do
the same thing to him with my hands that he
did with this car.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I'll find him.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I swear I'll find him, and I'm gonna kill him
with my hands.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I'm gonna kill him.
Speaker 9 (08:37):
Mit you, Chapman, Yeah, I see you for a moment, Yeah,
did you excuse us for a minute, So if you sure,
I we'll wait out.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
In the hall. Role. Yeah, what what's going on in me?
I know? Better call this him, tell him about that
plate on the car.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Get a broadcast out on a check the phone book
for the address of the National hot Rod Association.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Better talk with Himber.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
We might have something for us on the club, right,
so you better stock coup You better find it fast
because I'm looking too.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
You ought to go home and get some sleeping to Chapman.
Your all warn I'm not.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Gonna get the sleep until I got you. I'd kid
I'm dead. How was the girl?
Speaker 9 (09:25):
She's dead, both of them are, both of 'em. Yeah,
she's gonna have a baby in a couple of months.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Three fifteen pm, Frank and I drove out to the
office of the National hot Rod Association on Hollywood Boulevard.
We met with Bud Coons and Wally Parks. They checked
their records for clubs with the last name Wheels. There
were three in their files. Two were in the eastern
part of the United States, and one was listed as
having headquarters now Hamburg, California.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
We obtained the name and address of the president of
the club and we drove out to see him.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
We found him in the garage behind the house, working
on a nineteen forty one Ford.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
We introduced ourselves and he asked us to sit down.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
What do you want to see me about?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
We understand that you're the president of the Square Wheels.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
All right, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Why how many members do you have in the club?
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Eighteen eighteen actives. There's a couple of guys in the service.
What's this all about anyway? How come the questions?
Speaker 1 (10:15):
All your members have the metal plates for the club
name on their car.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Yeah, you get them when they paid the initiations for
you want.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Anybody else have them? Not legally? What do you mean?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Or a couple of them out have been stolen from members?
Any of the fellows in the club drive a black
pre war forward? Yeah, I guess we got about five
of them. I got one myself. As a matter of fact, listen,
why can't you tell me what this is all about?
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Cigar?
Speaker 5 (10:35):
If I knew what you wanted, I could help you out.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Well.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
A woman was run down by a hot rod last night.
One of the witnesses saw a plate on the car
that might have been from your club.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
No kidding, that's the way we get what they look like.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I always say it had twin pipes, pretty well, beat up,
white side wall tires.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
It's not one of ours. Then they sound pretty sure.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
What about the plate?
Speaker 5 (10:52):
I told you we've had a couple of them stolen.
Must have been one of them.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
How come you're so sure it wasn't one of your members?
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Oh, I know the cars in the club. There's the
year on them.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
What's the yo? Yo?
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Yeah, you know a shot rod junkie? Though I said,
I don't know. It seems like every time there's any
trouble with a car over five years old, it's a
hot rod. Su're not fair.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
That's so.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Yeah, it come out safe.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I'll take a look at that.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
I've been working on it for three years, got over
twelve hundred bucks in it.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Take a look at it. It's a lot of money. Yeah,
that's a good car. But what's approved?
Speaker 5 (11:24):
The car that ran that woman down wasn't a hot rod?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
How do you figure that?
Speaker 5 (11:28):
You said it was a wreck, didn't you.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
We haven't got a wreck that's allowed on the streets
in this club. I don't know a legal club that
has a yoyo in it. We got a safety check
every month. Any car that isn't safe has to be
fixed with the guys out. A lot of clubs operate
that way. Yeah, we know a kid's bill rods for
two reasons, because they want the cars to run better,
be more efficient, or else they want something a little
different than you can buy in a showroom.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Well all this sounds good, but a woman was killed
last night by a kid driving a hopped up car sometime.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Maybe it had twin pips a loud muffler, but I
would give you odds from here to Bonneville that it
wasn't a hot rod. I know our guys feel in it.
We get on and wheel on the secondhand, car is
a potential killer.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
The way the papers pictures.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
We just roam around looking for somebody to run over.
That's not true. You check the records. I think you
will find at the ratio between tickets giving out the
members of hot Rod getting up a year and a half.
The one before that was for overtime parking. I'm sorry, fellow,
was that car last night wasn't one of our guys?
And you didn bet he wasn't a hot rodder either.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
You got any way of knowing who could have gotten
the plank.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
We'll not right off, but we'll find him.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Pout.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
There's only so many streets in Los Angeles. We'll find him.
Guys like that make things rough on the clean drivers
in this town. We'll find him playing.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I don't appreciate any help you can give us on this,
but it's the police business.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
If you find him, give us a call right away.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Don't worry, we will. How do I get in touch
with you?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Leave you one of our cards anytime you call us.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
All right, I'll get on the phone and get the
fellows rounded up.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
You turn it all the way, keep out, drive him
there able to contanes and just say looking. Six forty pm.
Frank and I got back to the office. During the afternoon,
the broadcast on the car going over the state wire,
and every police officer stre in the state of.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
California was looking for the hit and run car.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
When we checked with communications are broadcast seven fifteen pm.
We put in a call at Georgia Street receiving the
hospital and we talked again to doctor Sebastian. He told
us that the victim's husband, Carl Chapman, had been placed
under the care of his family doctor and gets check
from o Ron to leave forty We met back in
the squad room. Any word yet, Nope. Got a call
from Al Gibbs hot Rod Club.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah, he says.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
All the clubs in the area are looking for the car.
They divided the city up in sections. Members are checking
all the streets.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
No lot though on No, nothing. Well, they turned a
couple of cars, but they don't check out. How'd you do?
Pretty good? Got through report here.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I had a couple of sandwiches, sentam, got your swiss
on rye in the bag. Where's coffee right there?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Carton? Oh, the lab street did a good job on
the stuff.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Here, here's a scene.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Victims found ten feet four inches from the northeast corner,
four feet eight inches from.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
The north pedestrian crosswalk and put it about here with me. Yeah,
they found particles.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Of broken glass checked on at the lighthouse keeping got yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I looked at it's new any brand name. Yeah, but
it's not gonna help much distribute it all over the country.
A lot about skid marks, any sign of them? No,
not the either.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
The kid didn't have time to use him rails and
didn't want to. They came up with this though here
with that some Marx from attire. He says he thinks
they were made when the kid dug out to get away,
spun the back wheels sure indicate that he didn't mean
to stop at any time.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Huh, that's the way he leaves.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
Got it?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Figure, I got anybody there? No, don't keep it in surveillance.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
We'll be right out.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, don't burn it right? Fine? What do you got
from its beginning to go our way? Maybe? Huh? They
found the car during a root defficient than it must park.
I'm doing it, say Frank.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
And I notified the crime lab of the find, and
then we left the office and drove out to the location.
We talked to the officers in the police car and
they told us if they hadn't seen anyone near there.
We checked the registration and found that the registered owner
was a Jack Moore. The white slip gave us an
address in Hollywood. While the crime lab went over the car,
we drove out to Moore's address to talk to him.
He lived in a large house built in the mid
twenties as a private residence. It had been converted into
(15:14):
a boarding house. Frank covered the rear entrance. I rang
the front doorbell.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yeah, what are you an?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Wake me up this time of night, police officers. You
have a tenant here named Jack Moore.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
What about it? We'd like to talk to him too late.
Mac ain't here. Where is he?
Speaker 5 (15:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
He moved out this afternoons. He didn't say where he
was going. A thorough search was made in the suspect's room.
The manager told us that Moore had come home that morning,
packed his belongings and.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Left the house.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
We called the crime lab and Lieutenant Lee Jones told
us that they'd established that Moore's car was the one
that had run down the Chapman girl. We talked to
the other people in the rooming house. None of them
could tell us where Moore might have gone. We went
in the called auto records, but the car not listed
as being stolen. Frank called his name into R and I,
but we found that he had no felony record. From
the occupants of the rooming house, we found that the
suspect had no relatives in this state and no close
(16:09):
friends that they could recall. Layton Prince came out and
went over the room and then going over it, we
found a waste basket more it used to dispose of
articles that he didn't want. In the basket, we found
several match folders from a bar out on westlun Street.
We put in a call to the bar, but we
found that it was closed, and then answer the rooming house.
We got a good description of the suspect, along with
the information that he received no mail and that he
was apparently unemployed. A stakeout was set up on the
(16:32):
house and at three thirty six am Frank and I
checked out of the office and went home for the night.
The next day, Wednesday, April late, we contacted DMV and
asked that they give us all information on the cop
fifteen am, we drove over to the bar on West
seventh Street, not open yet. Waste officers like some information licenses.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Back there in the wall in plain sight. There's nothing
going on here.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Do you have a customer in your name? Jack Moore?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
We just opened the doors. We got no say about
who comes in long as they don't cause trouble.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
We don't either.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
This guy's about twenty or twenty one five eight five,
ten hundred and sixty five pounds, blonde names Moore, Jack Moore,
what's he done.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Do you want to talk to him about what police business?
Have you seen him?
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Nothing that's gonna get the bar in trouble.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
That's a simple question, mister. Have you seen him?
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Maybe? Yeah? You tell me what it's all about and
I might be able to help you out.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
You're running out of time. Have you seen Jack Moore? Yeah?
When last night here?
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Yeah, he was in got liquored up. I tossed him
out when we closed.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Where is he now?
Speaker 5 (17:26):
You better ask Kim.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
What's more, If you know where he is, you're gonna
save yourself a lot of time by cooperating with us.
I run a clean place here. I don't want any
trouble with the cops. My license is on the wall.
I got no choice of the customers who come in here.
I don't want to get.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Mixed up in any We're not calling it that way.
That's the way it is.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
This is a clean place.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
That's not what the book says.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
You've been tabbed a couple of times with serving miners.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
You run be girls. You haven't served straight liquor in
here for a couple of years. We haven't made wage.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Oh now, look, fellas, I was just trying to take
care of my You did get your coat? Is there
some way we can work this thing out? I don't
want any trouble.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Where's Jack Moore?
Speaker 5 (17:55):
I try to run a clean place. A couple of
times I've been We've.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Been over all that before. Now where is he?
Speaker 5 (18:00):
I got him up at my place? You there now,
I guess so he got pretty loaded last night. Told
him he didn't have any place to pad down. I
took him home.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
What's the address?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Eighteen sixty two and a half, Woodworth Court, Room fourteen
A right. Still yeah, and don't try to call him.
I got no phone in the room. He's done anything.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
I have no part in it. Just trying to help
a friend out, that's all. Just help a friend out. Yeah, sure,
you tell him that. So he got me in.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Trouble all because I tried to help him out. You
just tell him, yeah, we will, and tell him not
to come around here anymore. Tell him to keep out,
Tell him that was it for me. Tell him not
to come back.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Don't you worry about it? Mm he won't be back.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
We called the office and another team of detectives came
out to the bar to keep the bartender on the
surveillance in the event that he might try to contact
the suspects.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
It took five and a half.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Minutes to drive to the Woodward Street address was a
large building located at the end of a blind street.
Room fourteen was on the third floor in the front
of the building. Frank and I approached the room and
we listened. There was no sound from inside. I want
to try the dark.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah one wt uh. There he is in my bed. Yeah,
looks like the right guy. That was a wake up.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Come on, come on, come on, let me alone, Charlie,
come on, let me alone.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
I told you, Charlie, let me.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Well, you guys, what are you doing you under Wait
a minute, come on, stamp Hill. All right, all right,
I quit? I quit. You want to shake him friend? Yeah, yeah,
he's cleaner. Well, you're taking me.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
I ain't done nothing.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
You get no reason to push me around like that.
Let's go. Where are you gonna take me? Downtime for what? Manslaughter?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
I didn't do what I did, and you got the
wrong guy.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
You got the wrong one.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
I didn't do it.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Move, but you got the wrong one.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I didn't do it.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
I didn't know what you wanted.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
That's why I run. I didn't know what you wanted now,
so let's go. The suspect was taken to the squad room,
where he was questioned. He refused to admit any part
in the crime. He was confronted with the physical evidence
and with the ownership of the.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Hip run vehicle.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
The witness to the crime came to the office and
said that Jack mor was the man that she'd seen
at the wheel.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Of the car when Helen Chapman had been run down.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Throughout the interrogation, the suspect refused to say anything. At
one forty seven pm, the door of the squad room
opened and Carl Chapman came in.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Where is I know he's here.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I want to see I take it easy.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Canet caught him? I want to see him. I want
to tell him.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Is that the kid?
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Are you the one?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
You the one who killed Helen? Will answer me. I
want to take it to your Chapman. Is he the one?
The evidence points that way? Yeah? Please, I want you
to do something for me. What's that full way out
of here?
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Please?
Speaker 3 (20:41):
We can't do that, Chapman, he's in customs. Please please
leave me alone with you.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Come on, Chapman, you better wait outside just a minute.
Listen to me.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Kid, When they put you in that cell, you get
done on your knees and thank God that they found
you before.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Right, did you understand? You thank him in every day
you'll live, You thank you. You do that because I
want to kills you. Take it easy, chat. My wife's
dead because of him. Yeah, that you killed me.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
They got lost to save people like you, but none
for her, None for her and the baby.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
They didn't have any laws, all right, Chapman, Come on,
take it easy, Frank, Come on, I say, yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Pretty upset?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Any I want you to remember something, kid, In the
years I've been in this department, I've seen some bad ones,
real bad teenage kids that didn't know any better, scraped
up off the pavement, send home to their parents, drunks
who were too loaded to know what went on.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
There's been a lot of them go through here. But
you finish way ahead of the field.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Boy, You talk good. I bet you're an e lectured
team around here.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
I'm getting fed up with your kids roaming the streets
and death traps, and I don't care about you. You
want to wrap yourself around a post, you go ahead.
We'll try and stop you, but don't you take somebody
else with you? Every year the number gets bigger, more
people killed. It isn't the honest drivers that do. It's
people like you who don't care for anybody else. We've
tried about everything in the books to make you understand.
Doesn't look like any of them did any good, does it?
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I'm a bad one. Ain't you killed a human being?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Boy? A woman who didn't even know you. She never
saw you until it was too late. You threw a
ten and a half a metal at one hundred and
twenty pound woman, and then you ran away and left
her in the gutter to die. You've wrecked the family.
You tore it right down the middle and rolled over it.
You've ruined the lives of all the people around that woman.
He gave a group of decent v during your feet,
young fellow, he's out?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
What's that? Hit and run? How much will I get?
I don't know, but it won't be enough.
Speaker 9 (22:26):
Jack carlyle Moore was tried and found guilty of manslaughter
one count and received not ascribed by law State Penitentiary
for a period not towick seed ten years. DRAGNT is
a presentation of the United States Armed Forces radio services bust,
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