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Speaker 1 (00:03):
From Hollywood. It's time now for John Lund as.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Johnny Doaller, Niles hardly Johnny columb your.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Life, Niles? How are you? I thought you were in
Chicago these days? I am.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
This is a long distance. We have one here that's him.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Tell me about it.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
One of our brokers wrote a fifty thousand dollars straight
life policy, and a man named Lane, mister Lane up
and dropped dead a couple of days ago.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
You'll never guess why?

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Why he starved to death? Why?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Honest? He died of malnutrition.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
A man could afford to buy that much life insurance,
but he couldn't buy himself a hamburger. Interested very, get yourself.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
An airplane, boy, I'll be waiting for you.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
John Lund in the Transcribed Adventure of the Man with
the Action Packed Expenser cons America's fabulous freelance insurance Investigator
Yours Turney Johnny. Expense accounts submitted by Special Investigator Johnny

(01:15):
Dollar to the Columbia Life and Accident Insurance Company messed
In Building, Chicago, Illinois. The following is an accounting of
expenditures during my investigation of the Chicago fraud matter. Expense
account item won seventy eight dollars thirteen cents Plain Fair
and Incidental's Hartford to Chicago. I had breakfast at the airport,

(01:39):
took the limousine into the town, found a hotel room,
then checked him with Niles hardly at the Claims Division.
Chicago's blustering climate seemed to agree with him. He was
a little bigger than I remembered, a little ruddier, but
efficient as ever. I wrote a special deliberate to the
Insurance Commission in Springfield this morning, explained we were holding
up payment pending a routine investigation of the claim. But

(02:00):
the faster we move on this, the better off will be. Johnny.
They're going to ask questions. We'll have to get ourselves
some answers. I asked, any yet. No, But the beneficiary
is Lane's sister. Name is Lydias Staley. She's called them
and she's called us a couple of times, wanting to
know what's what tough she could be? And I guess
she has money of her own, some influence and so on,

(02:22):
a lot of money. Trust stuff, very comfortably fixed. But
she's pretty upset by the whole business. You see. I
had to stick my horn in right away. And request
the coroner to hold the body and we got something done.
Oh so Lane died on the street with no identification
on him. By the time they did find out who
he was, a routine PM had already been performed to

(02:42):
determine cause the county was going to bury him with
fifty thousand dollars worth of insurance. Yeah. The first thing
that occurred to me when I saw this report was
that it might not be Lane at all. Besides the malnutrition,
hear these findings, chronic heart condition, lung history, ability, certainly

(03:04):
doesn't sound like anybody we'd ensure Blaine took a physical
before the policy was issued in me Yeah, sure, uh huh,
here's a copy of it. He was one hundred percent. Okay,
then how could he pass it with all these things
wrong with him? Good question, Johnny, like to find the answer. Yeah,
what's that doctor's name? Doctor Walter Hunger Sweet nineteen thirty two,

(03:29):
Michigan Building expense account Item two three dollars and fifty
cents taxi fair through Chicago's slushy streets to the offices
of doctor walller Unger, who had been licensed to practice
medicine in the state of Illinois in nineteen forty six.
He was a Northwestern University of Medical School graduate, and

(03:51):
I give him married, had two children that lived in Glencoe,
a north shore suburbs. His income and practice, according to report,
were average. Good yeah, dropping tomorrow, goodbye. I'm sorry, mister dolla.
You were saying, I am from the Columbia Life Insurance
People Doctor Claims Division. I'd like to get some information

(04:11):
about a man you examined on July fourteenth of last year.
All right, I hope this won't take long. What is
it you want to know? The man's name was Christopher Lane.
You happen to remember him Christopher Lane. No, I can't
say that I do, mister dolla. What about him? Well, first,
i'd like to know is this your signature? Yes? Those

(04:35):
are my letter heads. I suppose that's my signature. Aren't
you sure? How many people are certain of their signatures?
It looks like mine, mister dolla. I can't say for
sure that it is or isn't. Well, assuming that it is,
what about these notes? Are these in your handwriting? Yes?
I would say that was also my handwriting, mister dollar.

(04:55):
I'd appreciate it very much if you'd get on with
whatever business you have here. According to this, you gave
mister Laine a complete physical and pronounced him sound. I
did anything unusual about that. He died two days ago, doctor.
I wish you insurance people would buy some books on
heart diseases and read them and know them not take
up valuable time. Look here, this patient was forty one

(05:17):
years old. If he had no heart condition when I
examined him, obviously he didn't. According to my cardiographic findings,
it's entirely reasonable to assume that he could have developed
one in a very short time. You people gauged that
in your premium. Mister Lane didn't die of heart trouble, doctor,
he died of malnutrition. Malnutrition, that's what the pathologist at

(05:39):
the Corners Offer says. Here, look for yourself. Well, he
should know. Was it possible for you to overlook that
condition at the time you examined him? No? No. If
he'd been suffering from malnutrition in any degree, I would
have discovered it. According to the corner's report, he'd been
ill for a year or better. Can you explain that, doctor,

(05:59):
docor no, I can't explain that. I wish I could.
All I can say is that I did my job.
I examined. The man reported my findings. How about this
in China? I could have missed that, I suppose, but
it's unlikely with the degree of aggravation noted here? Is
you x ray mister Lane, or certainly it's part of

(06:20):
the examination if you had much experience reading chest x rays, doctor,
mister Dollah, I know my business. If there had been
any lesions in that man's chest, I would have reported. Doctor.
Just bear with me, please again, the coroner's man said
they were all lesions, So I notice I can't explain
that either. White. You can understand why we want to

(06:41):
be thorough about this. Yes, yes, I do, and I
wish I could help you. You keep a file copy
of all examinations. Yes, certainly, I'd like to see your
file on this one if I me, of course? Anything else? Yeah,
another hour of your time? What pa, I'd like to
have you look at mister Lane's body. I could get

(07:03):
an injunction. All right, I'll be finished here at seven o'clock.
Expenser con item three six dollars and a half more
cab fare to and from City Morgue. Doctor Hunger viewed
the mortal remains of Christopher Lane and was enable to

(07:24):
stay definitely whether he'd ever seen the man. The next day,
all of the personnel connected with doctor Hunger's office made
a trip to the morgue. None of them recognized the
body either. However, I had better luck with the elevator
operator in Lane's apartment building. Have you ever seen this

(07:53):
man before? Machetic?

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah, yes, sir, that's mister Lane, apartment two three three.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
You're positive?

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, I see him every day from those two years.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Okay, why of smoke, I'm gonna get.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Out of here.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Sure, when I'm acting this way, I've seen him that
way a hundred times. Why, I mean, almost like that
out stone. I guess it's because I knew he was
just drunk then, not dead.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Oh, I see, and he was crazy, buzzy.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Carrying on the way he did. Oh, it was good
to be out here again. Cold him though. Yeah, I'll
take that smoke, and I'm mister dollar.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Oh sure, thank you.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah. He used to get up around ten every morning.
I take him downstairs. Look awful, but he was always
kind of nice, polite, you know, mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
You go out to the.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Store and come back and a little while with a
sack of grocery find a milk for his cat and
doughnuts for himself some boothe then he just locked himself
up in his apartment, stay there all day drinking. Oh yeah,
fried to the ears by noon. I think it was wine.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
The janitor and the maid, as well as the doorman
and the desk clerk, further verified the fact that Layne
had been drinking heavily for better than eighteen months prior
to his death. No one seemed to know why, not
even his sister. She turned out to be a woman
of thirty or more, well tailored, well groomed, and bad mannered.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
I wish you'd take your briefcase and get over here,
mister dollar.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
I'm sorry you feel that way, Missus Staley.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
Chris drank himself to death. I don't know why. I
just know he did it. He's dead. He named me
his beneficiary. Why don't you pay me what you will me?

Speaker 1 (09:53):
We will, Missus Staley, if the circumstances are right. So far,
we have a reasonable doubt, and this investigation is for
your benefit as much as it is ours.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 1 (10:06):
When we've satisfied ourselves one way or the other, your
claim can be settled.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
Well What is it you want to know? I haven't
seen my brother in over a year. I can't tell
you anything about him.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Were you on good terms with him?

Speaker 4 (10:18):
Of course? I was left me his insurance money.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Didn't he understand you're a widow, missus Staley.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
I don't see what bearing you have, any dependence, no children,
that's what you mean.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
And the insurance money would have gone to you alone.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
Let me correct you. The money will come to me alone.
I don't know what you people think you can do
trying to weasel out of this, But I've already spoken
with my attorneys and they've advised me to sue for
an immediate settlement.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Are they aware of the facts of this matter?

Speaker 4 (10:46):
They certainly are.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
And they still advise you to bring suit.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
They certainly did.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Or perhaps I can save you some fees and them
some time. Who are your lawyers, missus Staley?

Speaker 4 (10:57):
Never mind, you'll find out soon enough.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
All right, I'll tell you what I'd tell them. You
can pass it on. Your brother could have died quietly
in his bed one night, and any doctor would have
pronounced him a heart failure, and your claim would have
been good. But he made the mistake of dropping dead
on a public street, and the police took over and
before he was properly identified, an autopsy he had been performed.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
Yes, and I'm going to sue the city.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
From that autopsy. We know your brother couldn't possibly have
passed an insurance examination.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
But he did pass it, mister Dollar. He came to
me the day after he'd taken the exam and told
me I was his beneficiary.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
He said, you hadn't seen him for over a year.
He took the exam last summer.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
All right, I saw him that one time.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
He might have come to you, but he didn't come
to you about passing that exam. Now, listen, your brother
never took that exam. What someone went up to the
doctor's office and took it for him, Missus Steley, We
aren't fools. Now We're going to find out who that
someone was and how it was done. We're used to
all sorts of tricks in this business and all sorts

(11:59):
of bluffing too. You can sue us for settlements, you
can sue us all over the place with what we
have right now. We just love to meet you in
a court. I'm talking facts to you, Missus Staley, and
I wish you'd talk them to me.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Get out here. Get out of here, you cheap snooper.
Before I call a policeman. Have you thrown out?

Speaker 1 (12:31):
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(12:52):
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Johnny Dollar. I started the case with an autopsy report

(13:27):
and a dead man who should never have been insured.
The doctor who examined him and passed him couldn't explain why.
His sister, the beneficiary, explained even less. I left her
under the surveillance of a leg man provided by Niles Hartley,
and decided to talk with the insurance broker who'd written
up the policy. His name was Rutherford, and he looked

(13:49):
insurance from the top of his iron gray hair to
the tips of his highly polished brown shoes. I suppose
you're mister Dollar, mister rudivand yeah, come in, come in.

(14:10):
I was surprised when you call me. We're trying to
wrap this thing up, mister Rutherford. I understand. I'll tell you.
I've been writing insurance for seventeen years, mister Donar, and
this is the first time anything like this has ever
occurred to me. So I believe you're mister Rutherford and
your record, Oh you looked into me. Well do you
know we have to or anything like this just a

(14:32):
matter of routine checking. Yeah, I'm here to find out
all I can about the circumstances under which you seld
the policy to mister lay mm hmm. He was a bachelor.
He lived in a fairly nice apartment on the Gold Coast,
no dependence. I'd like to know what made him a prospect. Well,

(14:54):
actually it's more of a personal thing. I suppose missus
Rutherband and I were interested in buying a whole and
Will met a couple of years ago. That was one
we liked on Sheridan Road. The agent happened to be
this man Lane. That's how we became playing. Oh. Lane
was in the real estate business on and off. Actually
he didn't really have to work for a living at all.

(15:16):
He had a fairly comfortable income from trust set up
for his father. Did he do very well in real estate? Well,
I don't really think so. I don't think he worked
hard at it. You met him when you were out
to buy a house. Did you buy him? No, my
wife died suddenly and I had no need.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
To buy a house.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
But he bought insurance from you. Yes, eventually, he said.
This was a couple of years ago. Did you try
to sell him right away? I don't recall. I called
him now and then had him over for dinner. I
was surprised, frankly, when he did something to buy Uh huh.

(15:54):
What kind of a man was he? What do you
mean your opinion? It's relevant, Oh, mister client, mister Dolliver.
I treated the same as any other client. How did
he look? Hmm? How pale? Thin, healthy, emaciated? What looked fine?
To me? M I uh noticed you arranged for the examination. Yes,

(16:21):
how well do you know doctor hunger? Just slightly? You know,
the physician is supposed to be an impartial third party,
and when a client has to be examined by a physician.
I send him to doctor hunger. That's all. I get
a Christmas card from him every year. I see you
say you had Lane over for dinner a few times. Yes,
when my wife was alive. Did he drink much on

(16:43):
those occasions? I don't recall why his malnutrition resultant from
an alcoholic condition. All drinking, no eating, Lane and alcoholic
he sure was, had been for years. Can I use
your phone?

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Help us out? Oh, Johnny Daller nounced.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Oh glad you called, Johnny trying to reach you.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
What's up?

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Missus Staley's fighting back?

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Huh?

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Her lawyers served notice on us an hour ago.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Well, nothing to worry about there, just a bluff.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Oh but this wasn't She made.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
The coroner release her brother's body, took it to a crematorium,
exhibit as a pile of ashes by Now, oh, I
can try something here, We'll try it, right, mister Rutherford
old phinnise. Yeah, mister Rutherford, I'm afraid you're in a

(17:55):
little trouble. Well what do you You couldn't have written
that pile of here known Christopher Lane without being aware
of his drinking habits. Now see here dollar I've been
an insurance broker for a good long time and no
one has ever questioned my integrity, and I think that's
what you were banking on, your reputation. I'm sorry for you,
mister Rutherford, but there had to be a collusion here,

(18:16):
and you're the logical party. You arranged for someone to
take Lane's examination. You are going to split with In
the three minutes it took me to get my breath

(18:37):
inside of me and my feet under me. He was
well away and out of sight. I used his telephone
a second time. I told Niles Hardly what had happened,
and then made a bee line for Lydia Staley's place.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
What do you want?

Speaker 1 (18:50):
I'm here to tell you about all the trouble you're in,
missus Staley. Rutherford's given it away. What are you talking
about about? An insurance policy that was written up and
issued in your brother's name under fraudulent circumstances. You're the
one who stood the game most, but you had to
have help to pull it off. Rother Ford to help you.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
I don't know anybody named Rutherford. Now look here, Oh you.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Know you, look here, Ruther. If had just slug me
and beat it but he isn't going to run far,
principally because he doesn't know how to run. He'll cool
off and he'll begin thinking about all this business in
the new light a few minutes ago at dawned on
and what he'd done. He kicked his whole lifetime right
out the window. He's been found out, he's lost all around,

(19:33):
and he's going to be mad, and you're the one
he's going to be mad at.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
I told you I don't know anybody named Rutherford well.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
And I'll tell you he'll probably want to kid you.
Do we talk now?

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Don't see why I've done nothing wrong.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Who took that physical for your brother?

Speaker 4 (19:51):
He took it himself.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
You got your brother drunk it up to and signed
the insurance papers, didn't you.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
I had nothing to do with them.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Okay, Missus Staey, we'll get it all from Rutherford.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Yes, why don't you do that?

Speaker 1 (20:05):
In the meantime, I hope you sleep well knowing what
you've done.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
I've done nothing, and you will never prove any of
these things you've been saying.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Never. And for two days it looked as if she
might have been right. There was no way to involve
Missus Staley without a statement from Rutherford in the name
of the company. Niles Hartly filed charges on attempted collusion
against him, and the warrant was issued. The Chicago police
were unable to fight him anywhere. His apartment was watched

(20:36):
twenty four hours a day, as well as Missus Staeley's residence.
The case was stalemated. We couldn't locate Rutherford, but he
found us. Johnny Dollar, This is Erah Rusvey. Where are you?

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Never mind?

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Uh Dollar?

Speaker 2 (20:53):
They all know about me around Niles.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Officer, just Niles and me.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
I'd like to explain some things to you so you
can pass him on the Niles. I'd like to know
why I did it and well before I leave town.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
He won't get far. There's a warrant out for you.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
I can get away, all right.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Brother, Columbia doesn't want to prosecute you on these charges.
The notoriety would be bad for them. If you'd make
a statement, sign it, I think I could talk them
into dropping the whole matter. Maybe we'd better get together.
Come on over, No, I'll meet you at the Dearborn
entrance to the Drummond fifteen minutes. I'll be there right

(21:41):
when I pulled up in a cab. Twelve minutes later.
He was waiting for me at the curb in front
of the Drummond. He was still wearing the same clothes
he'd had on in his apartment. He needed a shave, and,
judging from the circles under his eyes, he hadn't slept much.
He was pale and shaken. Expense account item four fifty

(22:03):
one cents coffee and donuts for both of us. Oh yeah,
I met Lydia right after Miriam, my wife died. My
children are both grown and married and have lives of
their own. I guess I was very lonely. Sure I
became interested in Lydia, and we had a great many

(22:25):
things in common. Seemed like a thing to do. I
asked her to marry me. Nothing wrong with that. Uh,
you don't understand, she laughed at me. No, I don't understand.
I guess I'm not an exciting man, a witty one.
Or She made me feel as though all my life
had been hopeless, a waste, and I had missed a

(22:48):
great deal. I asked her, mister Dollard, what is it?
What do you want of her life? Is that? When
she brought up the proposition. I guess that's what gave
her the idea trustpayer five hundred a month for the
life my commission's gone to that be could have lived
very comfortably on a thousand. But Lydia talked of traveling,
of Europe, of clothes. I don't know things her family

(23:10):
had had. Once she wanted fifty thousand dollars in cash
instead of money just trickling in every month. I suppose so.
I didn't understand her motive at first, but go on, Well,
she told me about her brother Christopher. He was a drunk.
The doctors in New York gave him two years. I
paid a man one hundred dollars to go to doctor

(23:32):
Hunger's office and take the physical. What's the man's name.
I wouldn't tell you that, mister dollar. He's not involved
in anything, and I don't want to get him into
any trouble. After Lane was insured, you were going to
wait for him to die. That was a general idea.
Once I'd done it, it was too late to turn back.
I mean I wanted two at times. With a cancelation

(23:53):
on the policy that size would have been hard to explain.
You're leaving something out. She had you didn't she Hm,
you were the goat. Legally she was clear right? Yes,
she still is, isn't she? Unless you write all this
down and we can hold it over her head to
prove collusion. You speak to Niles. He'll go along. The

(24:17):
charges will be dropped if you'll make a statement, okay,
in close fine notarized statement of her Rutherford explaining his
part in the attempted collusion regarding policy six seven eight
j N two three l. True to his word, Niles

(24:41):
hardly dropped charges against Rutherfood. Upon receipt of the enclosed
Rutherford settled his affairs and left Chicago. The following day,
when missus Staley was shown a carbon of the enclosed statement,
she instructed her attorneys to withdraw suits. The night I
was to leave town, I called to her apartment to
have her sign a release of all claims. Help maybe

(25:11):
he's which way did he go? Help me? Please?

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Help me?

Speaker 1 (25:21):
I carried her to the couch. Did where I could?
I'll startle tenants, phone for an ambulance and the police.
After that, I began looking around. I found a dark
stain on the window leading out onto the fire escape
and on the floor of blood stained letter opener. There
was no gun anywhere in sight. I decided that if

(25:42):
I'd been stabbed with the letter opener, it'd be easier
to try three flights up to the roof than fourteen
down to the alley. I was right. Or Rutherford was
hanging over the top ledge of the building, firing down
at me. I ducked into a window frame one flight
away from him. Go away from the dollar. You know
I won't run of it.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
Us by a mile.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
You'll have to come down at the end of the
line for you. Don't do anything for me. I'm coming
up after here. I'll waiting for you. Yeah, good shot. Dollar.

(26:27):
Can you walk? No? Why did you do it? Rutherford?
You're clear you were free. You didn't have to. I
didn't tell her all the time.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
She told me. Tonight laughed at me, said she was
gliding to run away with someone else when she got
the insurance money.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Oh, I see she didn't use.

Speaker 6 (27:00):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Rutherford died on the way to the receiving hospital, and
missus Staley was dead when I got back to the apartment.
Expense account Item five fifty three dollars hotel and food
while in Chicago. Item six, same as item one. There
back to Hartford expense account total two hundred and nineteen

(27:36):
dollars and seventy seven cents. Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar. Yours
Truly Johnny Dollar stars John lundon the title role and

(27:57):
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Yours Truly Johnny Dollar is transcribed in Hollywood by him
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(28:24):
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Football’s funniest family duo — Jason Kelce of the Philadelphia Eagles and Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs — team up to provide next-level access to life in the league as it unfolds. The two brothers and Super Bowl champions drop weekly insights about the weekly slate of games and share their INSIDE perspectives on trending NFL news and sports headlines. They also endlessly rag on each other as brothers do, chat the latest in pop culture and welcome some very popular and well-known friends to chat with them. Check out new episodes every Wednesday. Follow New Heights on the Wondery App, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free, and get exclusive content on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And join our new membership for a unique fan experience by going to the New Heights YouTube channel now!

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