August 13, 2025 • 28 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Resenting Orson Wells as the Third Man. The Lives of
Harry Lyme.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
The fabulous stories of the Immortal character, originally created in
the motion picture The Third Man with zither music by
Anton Karrah.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
The scene is Rome. The time is not so very
long ago.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
A hundred bells in the eternal city just finished announcing midnight.
When seven laughers, who has just spent a long, hard
day with a lot of other diplomats at an important
un meeting, and I stopped the whole thing off as
an interminable official banquet, puts his key in the lock
of the door in the Hotel Excelsior and opens it,
treating himself at the same.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Moment to a wellerned yawn.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
He doesn't get to finish the yawn, however, because somebody
is waiting for him in the room.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
What do you think that means? Me? Of course?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Well, and now Howson Wells as Harry Lime the third
(02:21):
Man in today's story Harry Lyme drawings the circuits.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Just answer me this. I come back to my hotel
room and find you in possession. How did you get.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Eating massa reven You were pretty highly placed in British
intelligence during the war, for all I know.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
You still are You want to know something about getting
into hotel rooms?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Purely routine, isn't it? I d say, well, what do
you after? Are not the secret papers? Are the plans
for the forward of the crown jewels reven? I assure
you no, I'd just like a couple of minutes of
your time.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Don't care. I'm bone tired and if you really wanted
to play the time.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I have a photograph here like you to identify it.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
It's just a snapshot. Do you mind looking at it?
It's pretty clear?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Is no?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
But I think you can make out the face. Where
does this take? I'll come to that you recognize this man? Steady?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Difficult to be sure, you know, sometimes these snaps are
awfully When was the last time you saw Hans Hessel?
Hands Hessel, that's the name. I saw him only once.
It was in thirty nine. I don't think the exchange
more than a dozen words. You have a reputation of
knowing more than any man alive about the Nazi hierarchy.
It's any man on our side of the fence. I
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need to tell you who Hessel was. He had a
lot of fie sounding titles within the last year of
the war.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
He was supposed to.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Be the man closest to Hitler, isn't it right? So
I had I don't play poker with mister Evan. I'm
not trying to sell you anything. Hessel was the kind
of secretary of the treasury.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Am I right? No, that was shocked.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I mean of Hitler's treasury. Hassel was a super confidential
secret and away I hear at the custodian of the
Furer's personal wealth. You seem to have a lot of
information yourself.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
It's not a sort of hobby of mine information. Seven. Besides,
tell of this is top secret.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Anything like that. There's been a lot of talk around
about him having a lot of hidden wealth, the treasure
in gold or something only to have been discovered, old things,
probably a Legendre's a tremendous lot of rumors. Your people
took that rumor seriously enough, Sir Evan. I have to
know several operators who spent the last three years trying
to locate that treasure and trying to track down mister Hessel.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Hessel was a walkman. He was wanted by the Allied authorities. Yes,
and he's never been found.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
It's the only man except Boorman who got away, the
only important one.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Oh, he probably didn't get away, you know. It was
almost certainly filled in Berlin.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Ah, that's the official version. Yes, but he left the
bunker several days before the end, probably on some secret
mission for the Furor.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
But nobody knows precisely what happened to him after that.
This photograph I.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Wouldn't call this poof mister Lion. No, I'd want to
know first where it was taken and by whom.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I'd want to know a lot of things. That's what
I'm here to tell you. I'm also interested in motives,
mister Lyon. What's yours? He critism? Public city, No, no money,
I see very well, what's your price? We were discussing
my motive, not my price. My motive is money. My
price is very cheat. Well, what is it to tell
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you what I know? Sir? Even to tell you what
you know?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I want you to give me a personal word regarding
that photograph that's my price you identified as a picture
of hands had for well, you know it might be
a paste of extraordinary resemblance. There have been instances like that.
Aren't you tell me the truth? To reven holling the
best of your belief. Here's that photograph, a likeness of
Hans Hassel it is, Thank you very much, sir, And
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now I'll tell you what I know about it. We've
taken in Colbert. It's a small city in the Austrian Tyrol.
When was it taken eleven months ago?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It's eleven months ago. But then, what are you doing?
I'm gonna at to get some sleep, So he filled
me with tire you to tell me what you know?
That is all I know. So practically all I know.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
That is is still alive and soil is two hundred
feet undergrown Survan.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
He's been dead a long time.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Didn't know, you know, I didn't have anything particular in
mind when I took that photograph. It was one of
a series I've been making backstage at the circus, just
for my own amusement. To understand that the camera because
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cheap in the black market. No, I didn't get suspicious
until sometime later. We were having an argument and he
didn't understand English. When hessel it is certainly not American.
So when I told him not to get himself into
a hassle about it, he thought, I said, Hessel, i see.
It was just as silly as that. I didn't do
any detective work. He just ca they spilled the beans
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all by himself. That night, when we got into Coberg,
he slipped away.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Of course I followed him, and he led me quite
a chase up.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
There in the mountains, but I kept right on his tail.
The whole thing ended up, of all places, in a
deserted mine. But it begins with a circus. But the
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star of the show was Louisa. She was a high
wire artist, also doubled on a trapee. Not a great act,
nothing to telegraph generingly north about you understand, nothing for
Madison Square Garden, but a good actor all the same.
I used to enjoy watching it. It's my job to
help break the apparatus.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
You see her Robin. That was one of my jobs.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I also helped put up the big top with six
or seven other overwork characters like myself, and also the
good eal of assistance from Juju the Elephant. We packed
up the show at night and got it rolling out
of the next town. Onlygather was too much like work
for my taste, but it was interesting for a while.
Or a circus, you know, as a wonderful place for
a gentleman who is, as it is technically known, on
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the land.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
But we weren't talking about me. We were talking about Louisa.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Louisa is the high wire artist eighteen. She wasn't the
most half of Belgian. I think the rest of it
was German and folks didn't show business too, but mostly
the big German cabarets I gathered.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Anyway, they were dead.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I fought killed by the Nazis. I didn't like your
prying to other people's sorrows. But she was a lonely
sort of kid. Not had been nice to her, which
was easy. She taken to confiding.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
So you haven't any relatives at all?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
No, I haven't. I haven't anybody. You see, we always
kept very much to our says, my mother and daddy
and I. But we were very curious. Father almost went
crazy when it happened. Do you mind if I tell
you about it? But if you want to, I have
never told anybody before, not what really happened. You see.
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They came first for my mother. They took her away
to one of those camps. We never knew which it was,
or when she died, or how my father tried to
go on you know, working, but it was very hard.
They made him a soldier and he lost his legs
on the Russian front, so of course there wasn't much
she could do. But he kept on training me and
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somehow he managed. I don't know how, but we did.
And then then they came for him. They would have
taken me too, but I wasn't there. It just happened.
I was off somewhere trying to get something to eat.
And Harry, you know what they did to my father?
Speaker 1 (09:42):
You really want to tell me, Yes.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
I want someone to know. Such things should not have
be forgotten. They didn't take him to a camp, Harry.
This was in the beginning of forty four. Did you
ever year of Hassel's mobile liquidation Squad? No, And it
was the invention of that. Hessel. He was one of
the top madgies and all toward the end never allowed
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himself to be photograph which we heard about him.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
All the same.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
He had trucks that went around to all the little towns.
The trucks were really poorted with guest chambers, and they
used to load the people into the trucks and kill
them that way. It saved a lot of time and
money and you knew something, Harry. It was late in
the war and they didn't want to stir up the people,
so the trucks were camouflaged. They created to look like
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circus wagons. The little children used to gather around outside
and look at the pictures of the clowns and lions
and tigers and things like that, while all the time
inside they were killing people. That was doctor Hessel's invention.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And you shouldn't keep thinking about it. An't do any good.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I think of that man all the time, Harry, what
man Hessel? I told you? The man responsible for that dagon?
Hessel was his name. I don't know what he calls
himself now. But he got away, and you know, Harry,
his chip from the bunk and was never found. But
someday would be.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Sound is sure of that.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
There are many of us all over the world looking
for him, and someday one of us is down to succeed.
I only hope it's me.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I don't believe What do you mean, Oh, I believe
a story, all right.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
It's just this vengeance business convinced me especially feel bad
about it. I don't blame you it Stop trying to
act up. Babies can't make it just is not the time?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
You're wrong?
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Wait till you know me better.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
In a moment, Austin Wells returns as Harry Lyme the
Third Man. Now Warson Welles as Harry Lyme the Third
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Man continues in today's story.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Harry Lyme joins the circuits. Who is our show running
so short tonight? Geko? Is long harder the next town?
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Yes, it's a bad road. You know all mountains?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Huh? Or what time of the price? Gego?
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Eh?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You like being a clown?
Speaker 5 (13:15):
What do you mean? Do I like it?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
My profession? But you must like it? You wouldn't do it?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
You mean, how does a man get to be a clown?
Is there a clown school? Did you graduate from it
with a degree?
Speaker 5 (13:27):
I have a degree, Harry? That not as a town
as a lawyer.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
But that is much the same thing, is it. Not?
Speaker 6 (13:34):
A lawyer and the clown, particularly nowadays, and they are
making here in Germany a mockery of Johnsy.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
They don't get you have worked.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Up about it. I just wanted to know.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
I'm not worked up about it, Harry. I'm always the control,
the perfect control. Yes, I paint on my face the
big smile and nobody knows what I feel.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
No trouble with you, geko no.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
I do not know the trouble with me?
Speaker 1 (13:59):
What is the trouble with me? Your corny corn cornne
and square. I do not understand you.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
You wouldn't listen to that routine about the crown of
the painted smile and the broken eart.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
And so tired it squeaks. Explain?
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Please?
Speaker 1 (14:12):
What is your this boiachi routine? I don't buy it.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Who is offering anything?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I mean, I don't believe it. I don't getting the
hassle over it. Hey, you.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Town, I say an what.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
I ask you?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
What proof? Sorry?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Oh man, hello hitting people, But there wasn't any alternative.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
You can't start choking.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
A fellow of death and expect you to answer your
question at the same time.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
You wanted to know what proofer I had, but I
didn't have any. I didn't even have a suspicion. You've
got the whole conversations ramble.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Up in that thick skull of yours. You don't have
the remotest idea When I was talking about do you
geeko no, no, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
We'll stop crazing like that. It isn't pretty get up.
Come on, I'm not going to hit you again.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Geco plunked that square, heavy body of his on a
camp chair and started squinting at himself in the cracking
mirror which was always kept the lasting it repairs near.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
The entrance away.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
He had an ugly looking kiss her at best, I
hadn't improved it, and he was a punch and I
didn't blame a little bit.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
But, not looking very happy with what he.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Saw in the glass, got out of sticks of pain,
began making repairs.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I stood watching you. I cannot see why you have
suspicions about me.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
I have nothing to hide.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
You seem to have one particular thing in mind. What
is it? All, man?
Speaker 5 (15:55):
It is not me, It is you. Whops it?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
You don't dig me at a hall? Do you about
the many mines in these mountains?
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Then to go on about?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I don't know how you find your own cues? I
don't give them to you. What about the minds? I
know you are a secret agent, but why taught to me?
Who is it you work for?
Speaker 5 (16:14):
The pig dog Americans?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
The pratition, old man. I don't work for anybody. I
work for me.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Then where have you this information?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Good? Dumb cluck. I have any information that you are
giving it to me just as fast as you can.
I knew a little more. Maybe we can make a deal.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
You know enough already. If you are not a secret agent,
I will kill you.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
I think I will kill you anyway, because if.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
They know about me, I have nothing to lose.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
And if they do not know about me, it will
be better.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
To make you silence.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You have a wonderful brain, Geko.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Listen, listen to what those big wooden wheels clanking around
inside your skull. Those are your thoughts, gik, cold man, cranky, cranky, cranky, count.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Geko, Ico, you are not rescue. Ico is resting here.
Crans will be within in a minute.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
Oh there he is.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
What's happened? Is he done?
Speaker 3 (17:06):
No?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
He just got over excited.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Come on, I come, I mean I go one other thing.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yes, I'll be watching your at eco make it funny.
After the circus was packed up and just getting underway,
I saw him sneaking off into the shadows. Curiosity is
my middle name, so I followed Harry Lan.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Being arrested my name.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I was very careful that Geko didn't see me. He
led me quite a chase through the suburbs and then
out in the open country until pretty soon we went
into the pine forest, climbing up, way up. It's cold
in those mountains. After midnight. After a couple of hours climbing,
reached the snow build I was beginning to.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Feel very sorry. He that I'd started out.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
On this expedition at all, and b and I wasn't
wearing my I went her under after all?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Why was I following him anyway? And how was I
going to find my way down?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
If I lost him, I'd lose myself. It's just starting
to get really panic. Hi up this one, I did,
and then I lost it.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
A minute before he'd been up there, two hundred.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yards ahead, a dim figure in the forest, bombing in
and out among the trees, but still visible.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
But now he was gone.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
No, he hadn't fallen into a crevass.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
He hadn't fallen at all. He'd let himself into that
deserted mind.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I finally found the mouth of it, peeling down. I
could just make out a flicker of a flashlight. It
was lonely out there in the forest. So feeling a
little bit like a fool and a little bit like
Alice in Wonderland going into the rabbit who. I climbed
down after him.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
It isn't easy to sneak.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Up to a man in the mind. You get your
so far and then you stumble on the UK. At
least that's what happened to me. Who.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
Now, that's somebody here.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I know, No, boss, there ain't nobody ever a chickens
with you.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
You follow me?
Speaker 5 (19:10):
That what's foolish, and you shall pay for being foolish.
I have a gun in my hands and I do
not think there'll beat anybody. To hear me, pies except you.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Well, there's nobody here.
Speaker 7 (19:19):
I guess they can have a little rock.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I tried a flying tackle and it worked. Pico crashed
down like a ton of bricks and the next thing
he knew I had his gun. You real shoot doom.
It was almost pitch black man.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
I couldn't see what he was up to, but I.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Could running up for the month of the company. I
started after him.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
No, he was the shoot.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
I'm talking you in it those one of.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
The old woman supports starting a miniature landslide. You may
now you are.
Speaker 8 (19:59):
Help you now.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
I need to go away as two months from now
they only.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I need he's just plas someone.
Speaker 9 (20:10):
Has keeps when he makes the play had a fine,
he's stop.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
You mean you track yourself too, old man.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
This sport the support more than sport. Stop block, old man,
not someone roping has collapsed.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
Looks like you about fight.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
At yourself, doesn't it?
Speaker 9 (20:36):
No boy aeah, no boy ah.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yes, and it won't be very pleasant, I'll tell you frankly,
old man. I can think about.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
Hundred million other people I'd rather be trapped in the
mind with.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Why should I You're stuck in your part of the
Tun't say you can't make me. Besides, there's nothing like
a little conversation to keep up the morale. And would
you rather sing it him? Hio, Let's play a game
questions and answers that want to keep his visit. When
the oxygen gives our first question, you are Hassel, aren't you?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I say you are?
Speaker 6 (21:03):
What is it to you?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
What if your head in here on the mine go
hating hantic silver?
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Half the streets, the most.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Beautiful things in yours, the art treasures. This is a
new sayer.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
And now in the world you've never seen.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I know, I know you kiddies are all jumping up
and down in your little cribs by now the vanny
to hear whether or not your uncle Harris's mother to
death down in that bad old mine. Well he didn't, now,
it seems. The young couple from New Jersey, God bless him.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
We're up in those mountains for their honeymoon, happened to
stop in the mount of the tunnel to fix their
skis or something.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
This was the next afternoon and.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Hair Hessel alias Schik, who had.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Gone completely off his rock.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
He wouldn't stop talking to himself, or rather yelling. You see,
if Hassel.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Hadn't babbles, the young couple from New Jersey wouldn't have
heard anything, wouldn't have known we were trapped in the mine,
wouldn't have gone for help, and I wouldn't be here.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Now to tell the time.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
As it was the rescue party, it was a long
time getting down.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Who has the gout? Me out first? Not by choice,
but because my chef, my father was easily clear.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Who is it?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Who? He says that really?
Speaker 7 (22:28):
You?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Sorry, just finished the trap it?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
What are you doing here?
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Nothing?
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Really just trying to help nothing? Nothing, She says, Ah,
what modest day?
Speaker 8 (22:40):
Has a young FOI line?
Speaker 5 (22:42):
You wouldn't be here now, my friend.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
If it went for this lady, what do you mean
he doesn't matter, Harry.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
You see, we could only manage to open a very
small part of the tunnel without pick axes enters.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
The only way to get you out in time was
to dynamite the second shot.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Well, we couldn't just tell him the dynamite.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
You would have been killed.
Speaker 8 (23:05):
It had to be done with care. The charge had
to be laid in just the right place. I'm the
only person small enough and also smart enough and.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Athletic enough to do the job.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
With this young try line from the circus.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Just a minute, I could get you.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Some more that I mean, you saved my life, LOUI said, Louisa,
Why are you crying?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Oh? Please don't, honey, you take my handkerchief.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Oh, Harry, don't you understand?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Geko with hessl surestand. I'm the one that found out.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
But I've sworn to kill him, Harry, and now I'm
going to save his life.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Oh does no way to your good time wisdom? Besides,
how did you find him?
Speaker 4 (23:48):
You told me when I was down there laying the charge,
And now what I have done is still the life
of the man I've dedicated my own life to killing.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Oh maybe it's just as well, honey. After all, vengeance
is pretty messy sort of racket.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
How is it saying the Bible?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Hey, he's yelling something up the shaft the dynamic, he said,
opened the other way?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
What does that mean do on his own ste killing?
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I remember that? Do you remember well what it says
in the Bible about vengeance?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Vengeance is nine, says the lord.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah that's right, honey.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Come on, let's get down the tunnel.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
She did, Harry Li returns in just a moment, I
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harry lot.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Now that I have, Sir Evan a lot that worked
for if successful, really worse, I'm getting together those expedition
and a very able to take up all that very treasures.
Nothing official minds you, no reason to let the authorities
into a good thing like that. Trouble is, I need money,
quite a lot of it. I never seems able to
get it all together one time. It's the worst of
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my line of business is I always say crime doesn't pay.
Speaker 8 (26:38):
Won no.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Step down again.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Again?
Speaker 3 (27:59):
And its
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Definitely a
Resenting Orson Wells as the Third Man. The Lives of
Harry Lyme.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
The fabulous stories of the Immortal character, originally created in
the motion picture The Third Man with zither music by
Anton Karrah.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
The scene is Rome. The time is not so very
long ago.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
A hundred bells in the eternal city just finished announcing midnight.
When seven laughers, who has just spent a long, hard
day with a lot of other diplomats at an important
un meeting, and I stopped the whole thing off as
an interminable official banquet, puts his key in the lock
of the door in the Hotel Excelsior and opens it,
treating himself at the same.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Moment to a wellerned yawn.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
He doesn't get to finish the yawn, however, because somebody
is waiting for him in the room.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
What do you think that means? Me? Of course?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Well, and now Howson Wells as Harry Lime the third
(02:21):
Man in today's story Harry Lyme drawings the circuits.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Just answer me this. I come back to my hotel
room and find you in possession. How did you get.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Eating massa reven You were pretty highly placed in British
intelligence during the war, for all I know.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
You still are You want to know something about getting
into hotel rooms?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Purely routine, isn't it? I d say, well, what do
you after? Are not the secret papers? Are the plans
for the forward of the crown jewels reven? I assure
you no, I'd just like a couple of minutes of
your time.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Don't care. I'm bone tired and if you really wanted
to play the time.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I have a photograph here like you to identify it.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
It's just a snapshot. Do you mind looking at it?
It's pretty clear?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Is no?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
But I think you can make out the face. Where
does this take? I'll come to that you recognize this man? Steady?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Difficult to be sure, you know, sometimes these snaps are
awfully When was the last time you saw Hans Hessel?
Hands Hessel, that's the name. I saw him only once.
It was in thirty nine. I don't think the exchange
more than a dozen words. You have a reputation of
knowing more than any man alive about the Nazi hierarchy.
It's any man on our side of the fence. I
(03:39):
need to tell you who Hessel was. He had a
lot of fie sounding titles within the last year of
the war.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
He was supposed to.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Be the man closest to Hitler, isn't it right? So
I had I don't play poker with mister Evan. I'm
not trying to sell you anything. Hessel was the kind
of secretary of the treasury.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Am I right? No, that was shocked.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I mean of Hitler's treasury. Hassel was a super confidential
secret and away I hear at the custodian of the
Furer's personal wealth. You seem to have a lot of
information yourself.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
It's not a sort of hobby of mine information. Seven. Besides,
tell of this is top secret.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Anything like that. There's been a lot of talk around
about him having a lot of hidden wealth, the treasure
in gold or something only to have been discovered, old things,
probably a Legendre's a tremendous lot of rumors. Your people
took that rumor seriously enough, Sir Evan. I have to
know several operators who spent the last three years trying
to locate that treasure and trying to track down mister Hessel.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Hessel was a walkman. He was wanted by the Allied authorities. Yes,
and he's never been found.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
It's the only man except Boorman who got away, the
only important one.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Oh, he probably didn't get away, you know. It was
almost certainly filled in Berlin.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Ah, that's the official version. Yes, but he left the
bunker several days before the end, probably on some secret
mission for the Furor.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
But nobody knows precisely what happened to him after that.
This photograph I.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Wouldn't call this poof mister Lion. No, I'd want to
know first where it was taken and by whom.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I'd want to know a lot of things. That's what
I'm here to tell you. I'm also interested in motives,
mister Lyon. What's yours? He critism? Public city, No, no money,
I see very well, what's your price? We were discussing
my motive, not my price. My motive is money. My
price is very cheat. Well, what is it to tell
(05:19):
you what I know? Sir? Even to tell you what
you know?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I want you to give me a personal word regarding
that photograph that's my price you identified as a picture
of hands had for well, you know it might be
a paste of extraordinary resemblance. There have been instances like that.
Aren't you tell me the truth? To reven holling the
best of your belief. Here's that photograph, a likeness of
Hans Hassel it is, Thank you very much, sir, And
(05:47):
now I'll tell you what I know about it. We've
taken in Colbert. It's a small city in the Austrian Tyrol.
When was it taken eleven months ago?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It's eleven months ago. But then, what are you doing?
I'm gonna at to get some sleep, So he filled
me with tire you to tell me what you know?
That is all I know. So practically all I know.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
That is is still alive and soil is two hundred
feet undergrown Survan.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
He's been dead a long time.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Didn't know, you know, I didn't have anything particular in
mind when I took that photograph. It was one of
a series I've been making backstage at the circus, just
for my own amusement. To understand that the camera because
(06:39):
cheap in the black market. No, I didn't get suspicious
until sometime later. We were having an argument and he
didn't understand English. When hessel it is certainly not American.
So when I told him not to get himself into
a hassle about it, he thought, I said, Hessel, i see.
It was just as silly as that. I didn't do
any detective work. He just ca they spilled the beans
(07:01):
all by himself. That night, when we got into Coberg,
he slipped away.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Of course I followed him, and he led me quite
a chase up.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
There in the mountains, but I kept right on his tail.
The whole thing ended up, of all places, in a
deserted mine. But it begins with a circus. But the
(07:28):
star of the show was Louisa. She was a high
wire artist, also doubled on a trapee. Not a great act,
nothing to telegraph generingly north about you understand, nothing for
Madison Square Garden, but a good actor all the same.
I used to enjoy watching it. It's my job to
help break the apparatus.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
You see her Robin. That was one of my jobs.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I also helped put up the big top with six
or seven other overwork characters like myself, and also the
good eal of assistance from Juju the Elephant. We packed
up the show at night and got it rolling out
of the next town. Onlygather was too much like work
for my taste, but it was interesting for a while.
Or a circus, you know, as a wonderful place for
a gentleman who is, as it is technically known, on
(08:07):
the land.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
But we weren't talking about me. We were talking about Louisa.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Louisa is the high wire artist eighteen. She wasn't the
most half of Belgian. I think the rest of it
was German and folks didn't show business too, but mostly
the big German cabarets I gathered.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Anyway, they were dead.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I fought killed by the Nazis. I didn't like your
prying to other people's sorrows. But she was a lonely
sort of kid. Not had been nice to her, which
was easy. She taken to confiding.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
So you haven't any relatives at all?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
No, I haven't. I haven't anybody. You see, we always
kept very much to our says, my mother and daddy
and I. But we were very curious. Father almost went
crazy when it happened. Do you mind if I tell
you about it? But if you want to, I have
never told anybody before, not what really happened. You see.
(09:00):
They came first for my mother. They took her away
to one of those camps. We never knew which it was,
or when she died, or how my father tried to
go on you know, working, but it was very hard.
They made him a soldier and he lost his legs
on the Russian front, so of course there wasn't much
she could do. But he kept on training me and
(09:22):
somehow he managed. I don't know how, but we did.
And then then they came for him. They would have
taken me too, but I wasn't there. It just happened.
I was off somewhere trying to get something to eat.
And Harry, you know what they did to my father?
Speaker 1 (09:42):
You really want to tell me, Yes.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
I want someone to know. Such things should not have
be forgotten. They didn't take him to a camp, Harry.
This was in the beginning of forty four. Did you
ever year of Hassel's mobile liquidation Squad? No, And it
was the invention of that. Hessel. He was one of
the top madgies and all toward the end never allowed
(10:05):
himself to be photograph which we heard about him.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
All the same.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
He had trucks that went around to all the little towns.
The trucks were really poorted with guest chambers, and they
used to load the people into the trucks and kill
them that way. It saved a lot of time and
money and you knew something, Harry. It was late in
the war and they didn't want to stir up the people,
so the trucks were camouflaged. They created to look like
(10:29):
circus wagons. The little children used to gather around outside
and look at the pictures of the clowns and lions
and tigers and things like that, while all the time
inside they were killing people. That was doctor Hessel's invention.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And you shouldn't keep thinking about it. An't do any good.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I think of that man all the time, Harry, what
man Hessel? I told you? The man responsible for that dagon?
Hessel was his name. I don't know what he calls
himself now. But he got away, and you know, Harry,
his chip from the bunk and was never found. But
someday would be.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Sound is sure of that.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
There are many of us all over the world looking
for him, and someday one of us is down to succeed.
I only hope it's me.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I don't believe What do you mean, Oh, I believe
a story, all right.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
It's just this vengeance business convinced me especially feel bad
about it. I don't blame you it Stop trying to
act up. Babies can't make it just is not the time?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
You're wrong?
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Wait till you know me better.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
In a moment, Austin Wells returns as Harry Lyme the
Third Man. Now Warson Welles as Harry Lyme the Third
(12:49):
Man continues in today's story.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Harry Lyme joins the circuits. Who is our show running
so short tonight? Geko? Is long harder the next town?
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Yes, it's a bad road. You know all mountains?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Huh? Or what time of the price? Gego?
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Eh?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You like being a clown?
Speaker 5 (13:15):
What do you mean? Do I like it?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
My profession? But you must like it? You wouldn't do it?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
You mean, how does a man get to be a clown?
Is there a clown school? Did you graduate from it
with a degree?
Speaker 5 (13:27):
I have a degree, Harry? That not as a town
as a lawyer.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
But that is much the same thing, is it. Not?
Speaker 6 (13:34):
A lawyer and the clown, particularly nowadays, and they are
making here in Germany a mockery of Johnsy.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
They don't get you have worked.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Up about it. I just wanted to know.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
I'm not worked up about it, Harry. I'm always the control,
the perfect control. Yes, I paint on my face the
big smile and nobody knows what I feel.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
No trouble with you, geko no.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
I do not know the trouble with me?
Speaker 1 (13:59):
What is the trouble with me? Your corny corn cornne
and square. I do not understand you.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
You wouldn't listen to that routine about the crown of
the painted smile and the broken eart.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
And so tired it squeaks. Explain?
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Please?
Speaker 1 (14:12):
What is your this boiachi routine? I don't buy it.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Who is offering anything?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I mean, I don't believe it. I don't getting the
hassle over it. Hey, you.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Town, I say an what.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
I ask you?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
What proof? Sorry?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Oh man, hello hitting people, But there wasn't any alternative.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
You can't start choking.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
A fellow of death and expect you to answer your
question at the same time.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
You wanted to know what proofer I had, but I
didn't have any. I didn't even have a suspicion. You've
got the whole conversations ramble.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Up in that thick skull of yours. You don't have
the remotest idea When I was talking about do you
geeko no, no, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
We'll stop crazing like that. It isn't pretty get up.
Come on, I'm not going to hit you again.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Geco plunked that square, heavy body of his on a
camp chair and started squinting at himself in the cracking
mirror which was always kept the lasting it repairs near.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
The entrance away.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
He had an ugly looking kiss her at best, I
hadn't improved it, and he was a punch and I
didn't blame a little bit.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
But, not looking very happy with what he.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Saw in the glass, got out of sticks of pain,
began making repairs.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I stood watching you. I cannot see why you have
suspicions about me.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
I have nothing to hide.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
You seem to have one particular thing in mind. What
is it? All, man?
Speaker 5 (15:55):
It is not me, It is you. Whops it?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
You don't dig me at a hall? Do you about
the many mines in these mountains?
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Then to go on about?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I don't know how you find your own cues? I
don't give them to you. What about the minds? I
know you are a secret agent, but why taught to me?
Who is it you work for?
Speaker 5 (16:14):
The pig dog Americans?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
The pratition, old man. I don't work for anybody. I
work for me.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Then where have you this information?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Good? Dumb cluck. I have any information that you are
giving it to me just as fast as you can.
I knew a little more. Maybe we can make a deal.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
You know enough already. If you are not a secret agent,
I will kill you.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
I think I will kill you anyway, because if.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
They know about me, I have nothing to lose.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
And if they do not know about me, it will
be better.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
To make you silence.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You have a wonderful brain, Geko.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Listen, listen to what those big wooden wheels clanking around
inside your skull. Those are your thoughts, gik, cold man, cranky, cranky, cranky, count.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Geko, Ico, you are not rescue. Ico is resting here.
Crans will be within in a minute.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
Oh there he is.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
What's happened? Is he done?
Speaker 3 (17:06):
No?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
He just got over excited.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Come on, I come, I mean I go one other thing.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yes, I'll be watching your at eco make it funny.
After the circus was packed up and just getting underway,
I saw him sneaking off into the shadows. Curiosity is
my middle name, so I followed Harry Lan.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Being arrested my name.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I was very careful that Geko didn't see me. He
led me quite a chase through the suburbs and then
out in the open country until pretty soon we went
into the pine forest, climbing up, way up. It's cold
in those mountains. After midnight. After a couple of hours climbing,
reached the snow build I was beginning to.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Feel very sorry. He that I'd started out.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
On this expedition at all, and b and I wasn't
wearing my I went her under after all?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Why was I following him anyway? And how was I
going to find my way down?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
If I lost him, I'd lose myself. It's just starting
to get really panic. Hi up this one, I did,
and then I lost it.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
A minute before he'd been up there, two hundred.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yards ahead, a dim figure in the forest, bombing in
and out among the trees, but still visible.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
But now he was gone.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
No, he hadn't fallen into a crevass.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
He hadn't fallen at all. He'd let himself into that
deserted mind.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I finally found the mouth of it, peeling down. I
could just make out a flicker of a flashlight. It
was lonely out there in the forest. So feeling a
little bit like a fool and a little bit like
Alice in Wonderland going into the rabbit who. I climbed
down after him.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
It isn't easy to sneak.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Up to a man in the mind. You get your
so far and then you stumble on the UK. At
least that's what happened to me. Who.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
Now, that's somebody here.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I know, No, boss, there ain't nobody ever a chickens
with you.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
You follow me?
Speaker 5 (19:10):
That what's foolish, and you shall pay for being foolish.
I have a gun in my hands and I do
not think there'll beat anybody. To hear me, pies except you.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Well, there's nobody here.
Speaker 7 (19:19):
I guess they can have a little rock.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I tried a flying tackle and it worked. Pico crashed
down like a ton of bricks and the next thing
he knew I had his gun. You real shoot doom.
It was almost pitch black man.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
I couldn't see what he was up to, but I.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Could running up for the month of the company. I
started after him.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
No, he was the shoot.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
I'm talking you in it those one of.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
The old woman supports starting a miniature landslide. You may
now you are.
Speaker 8 (19:59):
Help you now.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
I need to go away as two months from now
they only.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I need he's just plas someone.
Speaker 9 (20:10):
Has keeps when he makes the play had a fine,
he's stop.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
You mean you track yourself too, old man.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
This sport the support more than sport. Stop block, old man,
not someone roping has collapsed.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
Looks like you about fight.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
At yourself, doesn't it?
Speaker 9 (20:36):
No boy aeah, no boy ah.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yes, and it won't be very pleasant, I'll tell you frankly,
old man. I can think about.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
Hundred million other people I'd rather be trapped in the
mind with.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Why should I You're stuck in your part of the
Tun't say you can't make me. Besides, there's nothing like
a little conversation to keep up the morale. And would
you rather sing it him? Hio, Let's play a game
questions and answers that want to keep his visit. When
the oxygen gives our first question, you are Hassel, aren't you?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I say you are?
Speaker 6 (21:03):
What is it to you?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
What if your head in here on the mine go
hating hantic silver?
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Half the streets, the most.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Beautiful things in yours, the art treasures. This is a
new sayer.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
And now in the world you've never seen.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I know, I know you kiddies are all jumping up
and down in your little cribs by now the vanny
to hear whether or not your uncle Harris's mother to
death down in that bad old mine. Well he didn't, now,
it seems. The young couple from New Jersey, God bless him.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
We're up in those mountains for their honeymoon, happened to
stop in the mount of the tunnel to fix their
skis or something.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
This was the next afternoon and.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Hair Hessel alias Schik, who had.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Gone completely off his rock.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
He wouldn't stop talking to himself, or rather yelling. You see,
if Hassel.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Hadn't babbles, the young couple from New Jersey wouldn't have
heard anything, wouldn't have known we were trapped in the mine,
wouldn't have gone for help, and I wouldn't be here.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Now to tell the time.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
As it was the rescue party, it was a long
time getting down.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Who has the gout? Me out first? Not by choice,
but because my chef, my father was easily clear.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Who is it?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Who? He says that really?
Speaker 7 (22:28):
You?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Sorry, just finished the trap it?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
What are you doing here?
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Nothing?
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Really just trying to help nothing? Nothing, She says, Ah,
what modest day?
Speaker 8 (22:40):
Has a young FOI line?
Speaker 5 (22:42):
You wouldn't be here now, my friend.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
If it went for this lady, what do you mean
he doesn't matter, Harry.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
You see, we could only manage to open a very
small part of the tunnel without pick axes enters.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
The only way to get you out in time was
to dynamite the second shot.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Well, we couldn't just tell him the dynamite.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
You would have been killed.
Speaker 8 (23:05):
It had to be done with care. The charge had
to be laid in just the right place. I'm the
only person small enough and also smart enough and.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Athletic enough to do the job.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
With this young try line from the circus.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Just a minute, I could get you.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Some more that I mean, you saved my life, LOUI said, Louisa,
Why are you crying?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Oh? Please don't, honey, you take my handkerchief.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Oh, Harry, don't you understand?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Geko with hessl surestand. I'm the one that found out.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
But I've sworn to kill him, Harry, and now I'm
going to save his life.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Oh does no way to your good time wisdom? Besides,
how did you find him?
Speaker 4 (23:48):
You told me when I was down there laying the charge,
And now what I have done is still the life
of the man I've dedicated my own life to killing.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Oh maybe it's just as well, honey. After all, vengeance
is pretty messy sort of racket.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
How is it saying the Bible?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Hey, he's yelling something up the shaft the dynamic, he said,
opened the other way?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
What does that mean do on his own ste killing?
(24:37):
I remember that? Do you remember well what it says
in the Bible about vengeance?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Vengeance is nine, says the lord.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah that's right, honey.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Come on, let's get down the tunnel.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
She did, Harry Li returns in just a moment, I
(26:06):
harry lot.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Now that I have, Sir Evan a lot that worked
for if successful, really worse, I'm getting together those expedition
and a very able to take up all that very treasures.
Nothing official minds you, no reason to let the authorities
into a good thing like that. Trouble is, I need money,
quite a lot of it. I never seems able to
get it all together one time. It's the worst of
(26:33):
my line of business is I always say crime doesn't pay.
Speaker 8 (26:38):
Won no.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Step down again.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Again?
Speaker 3 (27:59):
And its
Speaker 2 (28:18):
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