The Power of Intuition with EMBODIMENT Type Natalie Cutsforth

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Natalie Cutsforth is an intuitive reader, healer, mentor, and the author of “Tame Your Energy Sensitivity,” helping energy aware people reduce the stress of feeling so much. She has facilitated life changing transformations in over 5000 private and group sessions with clients all over the world. Natalie teaches energy management because, it’s more than mindset, the energy exchange between people impacts the outcome of every action. Experience from 22 years working in corporate IT, and the past 15 years running her own business, she now mentors intuitive womxn professionals with their confidence, clarity and calling.

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Episode Transcript

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when you're in empathic or you're often that nervous system sort of takes on the energy

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of what you're encountering and then you start confusing it for your own and then it causes anxiety
and stress because your body is then what's going on? I feel angry, I feel sad, but you don't
actually feel angry and sad. You're just processing the angry and sad of all the people around you
and you don't know that you're not. And so I really feel that the nervous system is our

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the organ of our sixth sense and that's where we're getting the information from. It's taking all
of those five senses information plus it's measuring the energy coming from that which is around us.
Welcome to the Earth Mates podcast. Together we explore how to find your path from climate

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anxiety to community action by asking who are you because just like any relationship that matters.
So get ready to be raw and real but also playful and silly with me Chief Relationship Officer
Amber Peoples as we discover what's possible through the lens of the five Earth archetypes.

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Curiosity and subscription buttons highly encouraged.
Hello friends. Today as we record this session it is a winter day here in the Pacific Northwest.
You'll notice that I have this wonderful cozy sweater on. It's actually made by a friend and so I

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love that on days like today where it's chilly I get the opportunity to to wear it and think of my
friend and feel really connected and cozy to all the bits and pieces that made it so. And I'm
wondering wherever you are, whenever you are listening to this, what is it like for you right now?
What is what is nature connected with you? Is it influencing the way you dress? Is it feeling like

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an energetic thing? Is it something that is being perceived by your five senses or something a little
different? We're going to take a five-second little moment of pause here and ask you to take the
time to tune into it. It might help if you close your eyes but I will let you decide and here we begin.

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Thank you. Now I'm delighted to introduce you to our Embodiment Type Natalie Cutsforth.

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Natalie and I met about two years ago through a mastermind called Impact Accelerators
where we discovered together how to strengthen businesses that have a positive impact on the world.
Besides both living in Oregon, we found wonderful layers of our connection between our relationships
with the earth. In addition to the lavender farm Natalie cares for, her work as an intuitive healer

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is very grounded in supporting empaths with the tools that help us be fully present on this planet.
I'm delighted to call her my friend and have the opportunity today to explore more deeply how she
translates the Embodiment Type into daily life. So welcome. I'm so delighted to have you here Natalie

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and I'm curious of this description I just gave what feels resonant for you and what do you feel
might be a slightly different interpretation? Thank you so much. I am really excited to be here
to you and I just wanted to say yes it was interesting because when we first met through that program it was
more just like being in a group and hearing each other share our pieces and so I was reflecting before

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getting on this conversation with you that actually one of the things I noticed first around
getting to know you was that in a situation where these are there's really successful
business people and you were expressing the basic pieces of your project in your vision around

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earth conscious education that it was very difficult for them to actually help you
that they were really struggling to hear you and I really know how to help you that their way of
seeing the world was so conditioned on in a way sort of like profit and oriented towards like sales

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and profit and this kind of a mindset that it really struggled to look at a service oriented
approach to educating and making an impact. So anyways I would just I learned a lot from that because
it took a lot of courage for you to continue to bring your ideas forward and have them continue to be

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like well I don't you know like give you advice that didn't really make sense so that was one thing
it was pretty interesting to observe that we really need to work on that in our society being able to
have conversations on about our actual impact on the earth not just our impact on other people

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we're really unskilled on it on a really high level in our society from even you know from leaders to
whether they're in politics or business and that's something that they really need help we all need
help so and then the other piece is that you came by my farm and we got to actually see each other

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in person and after sort of an era of so many people just being stuck looking at each other over
soup it was really fun to meet in person and realize that we had a lot of connections in synchronicities
in terms of you know Oregon Country Fair and other things like that that that we didn't realize
when we were in this broader group together so. Yeah that's such a fun reflection I love that I love

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that those really personal pieces is I love that you brought that right to the beginning of the
conversation because that is that is so key and so thank you so much for for honoring that journey
and and sharing that it actually really stuck with you and continues to to influence how you view

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the world and and and watching me go through that process I feel really honored by that so thank you
you know my pleasure it's you know we're together I had my own you know I haven't what I bring to
the world struggle to be seen at times in that environment too because we when you're in a role where

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you're offering healing sometimes it doesn't fit the bill of you know the business models that we
have in our world yeah the primary ones let's say so yeah so speaking of the this gift that you bring
to the world one of the things that is is prominent when when people connect with you is that you have

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this invitation and that invitation is to transform your life and reclaim your vitality to be the
best you like wow that's that's a lot to imagine and and take in and I wonder for you what is that
what does that look like like how do you live that life on a daily basis and how do you help others

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kind of lift up to that place where that resonance feels true and and and and vivacious
well I love to learn and I love to grow and so I've been sort of compelled my whole life to
like self reflect when I come up in upon something within myself that is I feel as a limitation or a

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fear or uncomfortable and what or when I come up come into a relationship where there's something
that's uncomfortable and so what what happened for me is that in my late 20s I started I realized that
I had the way I was seeing the world was different than most people because we all see the world

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for our own eyes right and we hear it through our own ears and we don't we think that's the way
other people are perceiving things and at the time I hadn't really become aware of my own nature
as a psychic or an empath and and so I would hear something in a conversation with person

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and I would say would I you know tell them what I was seeing even if they hadn't said it with their
words and some like most of the time they would be like oh my god that's amazing and then there is those
other times where they would be like we'd be alone you're not supposed to know that and so in you
know I really believe when we become conscious that there's this other layer of information available

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to us that we actually claim a whole different level of power than just those five senses that
were taught are the the end all be all and when we start working with energy and you know being
conscious that we can influence it like we really do transform our lives we draft we really do make

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a big difference in our lives just by acknowledging it and then beginning to you like consciously use
the I use like the word visualization but imagination is a better word using our imagination to really
hold the space of our energy so that we have better boundaries and even that old way of being for
me lacked a lot of boundaries because I didn't I'd get any other person's space without their permission

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and then they would react in a way which either would make them want to be closer to me or push me away
and so you know transforming your life through energy basically is the way I'm saying is like when
you become conscious of it and start working with it you can really make a difference in your life
and it's a ongoing process it's a lifelong journey oh yeah that is that is so interesting that

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that this place of transformation this place of vitality and this place of our best selves are all housed
in this word that we call energy and the embodied archetype it it has to do with this place that is
beyond words it's the it's the the sufis that dance in the spiral and when they're done spiraling

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that is the experience and trying to translate it can be either very tough and sometimes even counterproductive
so I'm curious when you when you were following this piece and ended up meeting this mentor I'm curious
about that process of being of that discovery of that finding of that that thread that led you to

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that person and I wonder and I know it was so long ago that it might be a bit fuzzy but I'm wondering if
you kind of sat with that if there's a way to describe that that that pull in that journey that led
you to your teacher well yes actually at that time like if I sort of look at the previous six months

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in my life before that came about I in the fall of the previous year I'd started taking an African
dance class and I was it was I was getting back into my body after having sort of abandoned it for a while
in in a challenging marriage and I and through getting into my body and started feeling myself again

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I started realizing that I needed what I needed in my relationship that I was that wasn't happening
and what was harming me in our relationship because there was a lot of verbal abuse and such and so then
I stepped into saying hey I need this you know from my partner and this is what's happening for me
and it ended up leading to a separation and while I was separated I was staying with a dear friend

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and I had a dream of Dawn Eagle and I had seen her photo at my friend's house and but I'm not the kind
of person that usually has a dream that then means something that changes my life forever that's like
pretty much the only time I can ever imagine that has happened for me even though I've had lots of

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dreams I woke up in the middle of the night from this dream that was so impactful that it woke me up
and I snuck into the bathroom because I was sleeping in her living room and in a small one bedroom
place while I was going through my separation and wrote down the dream and was like I need to meet
this person I don't know why I just do and when I when I in retrospect looking back I realized that

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we had a healing agreement you know we had a soul contract and it was up you know the universe
since time and I was actually nervous I didn't really trust her because I was anti-Guru and sort of
anti-religion or whatever and yet my own intuition overrode my fear and I just said I got to do

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this it was too you know it seems it just felt so strong that I needed to find out one way or another
and show up and meet this person and and when I did I realized that she was far from a person that was
trying to tell me what to believe or do but she had really held space for my own healing and to help me
see this what you know what was really who I really am and sort of you know peel away those layers

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of who I was being to please other people in my life so that's what led me to her there was a phrase
in there that I found myself writing down because it was really interesting and insightful and powerful
I just want to bring it to the surface is that your intuition overrode the fear
and I'm curious if there's a way to I don't know if it feels like it's it's something that lives in

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a certain part of your body or if there's something that you're hearing or you're seeing I know that
there's different types of like clair like there’s clairaudience for hearing there's clairvoyants
for seeing I'm wondering when you experience intuition how where does that feeling come from
well when I first started experiencing it the first way I experienced it was feeling it in my body

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like it and I just had a knowing and I felt it in my body it wasn't it but through training later in
that later I learned how to see it and be clairvoyant so that it wasn't affecting my body so much
because my experience is actually that I believe now after all these years of working with it that
our nervous system is actually our sixth sense it's not you know it takes all of the five senses

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information our physical sense is information plus it's measuring the energy of that's
happening around us so our nervous system is feeling the energy from the earth it's feeling
the energy from other people we're interacting with and that is being read and it can get you can

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read information that's not set shown with the five senses it's keep marks there's they might be
smiling they might be saying certain words but actually the energy is much different than the words
or the external representation of what's going on with them and when you're
highly when you're in pathic or you're often that nervous system sort of takes on the energy

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of what you're encountering and then you start confusing it for your own and then it causes anxiety
and stress because your body is done what's going on I feel angry I feel sad but you don't actually
feel angry and sad you're just processing the angry and sad of all the people around you and you
don't know that you're not and so I really feel that the nervous system is our the organ of our sixth

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sense and that's where we're getting the information from it's taking all of those five senses
information plus it's measuring the energy coming from that which is around us that's beautiful
I know that that's a lot of the work you do is helping people that feel overwhelmed by what they're
receiving in that they need some tools to be able to create their own boundaries create their

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own sense of autonomy and be able to use that amazing skill when it's appropriate and also be able
to put a pause on it and put a break on it and put boundaries around it when necessary and so I
think that's that's a really insightful way of of looking at and considering the the types of tools
that could be helpful and I also love this this aspect of a view that came out in that answer

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which is all these different ways that your your life has has transformed I mean we talked about
that at the beginning your your your your invitation is to transform and we talked about that moment
where you met your mentor and felt called to connect with her and we talked about the marriage

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you were in at the time but there was also this entirely different career you were in that that was
using a totally different part of your ways of analyzing and understanding the world and I think
one of the places that that really comes out in in the way that you work with people is that you
really encourage people to take what's useful to them and leave the rest and so I'm curious what is

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it that you think because because when when you said the organ of the sixth sense is the nervous system
it led me to this this part of you that I know is is in there of this this more scientific way of
thinking this way of mapping the world and I'm curious how you find that balance with with this

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stepping into this place of embodiment and sharing people sharing that with people
that's a great question um you know I feel that you know I loved I worked I went right out of studying
international affairs into working for a satellite imaging company but when they were first
allowing commercial satellites to take images and share them with with all of us and so I was

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working with a lot of former Spooks that had jobs where they couldn't go home until their partners
about it and they were just so exciting and excited about it and it was like pre what we call a startup
nobody was talking started back then but we were sitting around with boxes eating peat you know on
the floor eating pizza and muting in meetings it was basically a startup because it was

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based taking an existing way of doing things that only the secret never-man folks could use in
making it open to the world that's why we all get to have Google Maps because they get free data
from the government and they could create this right so the precursor to the all that it was really fun
I love that work I love the teamwork I love the relational component of my my work I loved the fact

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that maps are one of the original languages you know like before we could even speak the same
languages between tribes when people were trading they were drawing with a stick in the dirt maps
there's the river this is where we live here's how to get there you know like this is the most primitive
and most purposeful human language really I think true survival and it's and it's also really

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you know it's it's also a way of better understanding the planet that we live on and it's resources so
yes I love that world I think he's talking about it but also I'm not a huge fan of
corporate culture in our country so there's this sort of dance between I wanted to be

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founded more meaningful life and be fulfilled in certain ways and well I love that work I also
love being able to help people heal and have different experiences and going back to taking what's
useful sometimes we can only have I like to use this word have let ourselves receive a little bit
of what we're asking for so when we are introducing a new concept it is like I will take that part of

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it because that part of it I feel comfortable with and once I get used to that maybe I'll take
another little nibble of it that's you know and so taking what useful can just be a like this is useful
forever and nothing else about that conversation or a bit of information is useful for me forever but
most of the time most of the time taking what's useful from a situation where you're learning is

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is like allowing you to begin that transformative transformational process allowing you to see
someone else's perspective allowing you to have more have a bigger perspective in terms of the
directions you're looking like what you can actually see is possible in the universe so

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you know that's that's my perspective on it I love using both my analytical mind and my intuitive
mind because they both have a place they both have a really valuable place and that's why that
career worked for me in this one to assume so well and what what was interesting was in the in the middle
of that you talked about you know maps being one of the oldest languages and maps of the planet

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being super fascinating and it made me wonder you know along these lines of understanding that we
as humans our nature earth is our home we came from the stuff that is earth when you do your
embodiment work do you do you feel like you're somehow mapping something within people's either

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intuition or body or anything is there is there a sense that there's mapping going on there?
Yeah you know now that you say that I do feel like that I'm looking at patterns and when we you know
when I was in what this conversation has made me think of is that before we could get above the
earth and look down on it we couldn't really see the patterns of what our impact was you know with

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these satellites which can see huge patterns huge swaths you're going wow look at look at the
effect of humans on this planet or look at the pattern that's happening here and when I'm looking at
someone when I'm in a reading state and I'm looking at what I call their souls memories or the
history of their souls experience I'm looking at patterns that are limiting so I mean I could look at

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non-limiting patterns just so we could have fun together for an hour but usually people want to
actually clear stuff that's in their way of having more of what they want and so I'm looking for
you know when they're sharing a little bit about something that's happening in their life this
that they're either they're unclear about or they're struggling with I'm looking at whatever the
limiting pattern is in that pattern could be multidentiational in their spiritual genetic inheritance or

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their actual like DNA right that pattern could be you know more personal to their own souls
experience or it could be more familial in how it's been passed down but yes it's in a way I'm
mapping the patterns so I can find the spots that are broken or that are congested or limited

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in the pattern or that are repeating a pattern that's a causing harm and help them release the
energy on it so that it doesn't repeat it keep repeating itself. I imagine yeah seen places where there's
maybe a blockage like there's a road block on the map or like a car accident that happened over here

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I'm imagining these kind of GPS little descriptions being used and how you're navigating
what you're seeing within within people's oras and and it brings me back to this other connection
that you have this this land this farm that you grow lavender on and I know that you had this

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amazing kind of synchronicity of timing that when 2020 arrived with all of its changes you already
had plans to plant and begin an established established this amazing lavender farm that I got to
walk through and and feel and crunch my feet over and I'm curious as you're as you're mapping that

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out and you're you're living in that style of being with the earth in that way how does that feel
like an embodied practice for you? Well to sort of connect it with what we were just talking about
one of the pieces that really transformed my life when I was working in business and I was struggling
to have energetic boundaries with the impact and people's well there's a lot of

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power plays that happen in the corporate world right and so people benefit from hooking it to
other people's energy and directing it and redirecting it and I the way that I began to have a
personal shift is I started using some visualization tools to set my energy before I'd go to work.

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I would connect ground my energy into the earth every single day I would visualize a connection
between the base of my spine going down into the earth and really anchoring in there to trust that
I had the earth support. So this is like the primary first step of all of my energy work always is

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we got to have a foundation and really our mother our what allows us to be alive here and now is
this planet we're living on and we it wants us to connect with it it wants us to
to it wants to support us it's just waiting for us to ask so you know not to me is as part of the

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process is really like getting your body grounded into the earth and being present for that.
Your time and these these tools that you already were using when you didn't have you know the
physical tangible farm to place your hands in the dirt but you were using tools that both
energetically and symbolically and visually had that practice for you.

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Oh yeah yeah the farm. So bring that forward into now which is when I bought this property I really
knew it needed a healing it was run down it was neglected and it had some sort of patterns

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involved in the way that farming had been done that weren't that were I felt sort of toxic
and it was but it was just the way things are being done you know and so my personal journey was
to observe that to say let's stop you know stop I'm ending these agreements with the folks that
were farming the land and for the previous owner and find a path forward to living in more harmony

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knowing that I was observing what was happening around me I need to I always I believe I needed to
take time to get to know what was happening in all the seasons before I made any major decisions
and I noticed well there's a lot of deer that comes through here and I don't really want to fence off
a lot of my property to keep the deer out in order to farm they this is their word in their space

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basically and there's there's bees that are you know like trying to to have like fine food without
being toxified by the you know whether it's you know the way that people are monitoring farming there's
a lot of chemicals involved and I was just reflecting on that and that's what led me to the

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desire to plant lavender because the bees love it and the deer won't eat it in fact rodents aren't
interested in it so and we have plenty of rodents out here I mean they'll dig around and
dig pull one down like bugs bunny so they can pop out of the hole but they don't they don't actually
eat it you know because it's it's actually a plant that's plant medicine right so it's making

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and it's also a way to create community so what I discovered I didn't realize that part of it when
I first planted it is that I would be putting something in the ground that would attract people to
me like bees to honey and because of the pandemic and I have put this first field of 400 plants in
and I was out working in a lot sitting on the ground and working people would walk by people there

(30:26):
was lots of people that walked by my farm because I'm just outside the city limits and they could leave
their suburbs and walk take a long walk through farmland and they would stop and say what are you
growing and oh my gosh I can't wait till the flowers bloom and lavender and everybody which is so
excited that it was going to be lavender you know and over and over people would see I wrote my bite by

(30:49):
here it I took the long way so I could smell the lavender you know it's um it printed community
connections and it so it was just like these extra benefits of like creating beauty considering
planting medicine and planting something that actually allows nature to have a home in it you know

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the only thing I don't like having a home in my lavender field is the red ants
because they killed the plants so that's that's the only that's the only thing that causes problems
but other than that everything else is you know work you know pretty symbiotic with it right now
so yeah I hear I hear a lot of real beauty there in all of these different relationships that you

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you found by observing first and then noticing what people and animals were responding to and so a term
that I really like to use a lot and and ask people about in these interviews is this idea of
reciprocal relationships and I know you know earlier we were talking about how to place boundaries if

(32:04):
you need those what about kind of this other side around how do you have reciprocity and and do the
to do the two connect or are they separate things hmm I love that because I grew up on a farm a ranch
my dad would hate if I said a farm because he's a rancher he's got animals and and he's got dose for

(32:26):
timber in the coastal mountains of Oregon and some multi-generational ranch and it's a lot of work
it's 24/7 he's in his mid-70s and he's still working 24/7 you know like he doesn't take a day off
and it's his life and he likes it and when I was leaving my corporate career and working on my

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healing work and reflecting on those days when I worked in business and would just overwork it's
I you know coming from a ranching family it's workaholism is natural it's like the way to be
and I really wanted to create a balance in my life here and even having a farm is always a lot of

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work it was a lot of it's a lot of work particularly there's this one that was so rundown but in that
choice of reciprocity the reason part of the reason I chose to plant lavender was because I knew it
would give back to me by looking out my window and seeing this beauty and what I didn't know which is

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what I've learned is that sitting in the field or bending over in the field trimming plants doing
the work harvesting, weeding the smell of the lavender gives back so much it's a reciprocity
relationship for sure because even if it's not blooming the actual greens of the plant have that
same oil in them and so you're getting this very relaxing really soothing scent whenever you're

(33:57):
working in the fields and it's really wonderful actually it's like oh this is work but I'm also
getting something back from it in the moment you know yeah that's beautiful so that that
tending that you have for the lavender you do feel like it is this this bean that is expressing

(34:18):
itself and particularly through scent and it's and it's gift through that and and I'm curious
kind of to continue to try to paint this map of of this the work that you do with the empath work
and the healing work and and the farming work is I'm curious what comes to mind in this moment is I

(34:42):
have a dear elder friend in my life who talks about that the the relationship with nature is the most
honest relationship we will ever have and and I'm curious when it comes to this work that you do
with the empath work where you're teaching people to how to have boundaries is is there a time is

(35:06):
there a place where this this knowledge that you have this embodied experience that you have with
being reciprocal with the land comes into play even if you're teaching boundaries.
Hmm that's a wonderful question I'm I didn't have to think about that for a minute because

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well the first thought that came to mind which was sort of funny it doesn't it sounds for
random but I thought to myself if you're not really in your body and paying attention to what's
around you and you're walking through the forest the tree like the brass sticking out from a tree
could just poke you in the eye right because you're not paying attention to its space right this

(35:49):
and and you're you're expecting it to move for you right instead of you being conscious and
moving for it because it's a tree. I don't know if that sounds very I don't know if that's a very
good analogy but that's what came into my mind when I was when you asked that question like

(36:10):
plans take up a specific amount of space you know they and if we plant them too close together
they don't thrive and if we cut the roots off because they're in the way of something we want to do
they'll cause them harm you know like oh let me cut the roots off the side of this tree because

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it's in the way of something I want to do and that you know that they'll recover often but they will
have it will harm them you know so I you know but having boundaries I don't know in the nature I guess
nature is pretty this can be a pretty harsh teacher right because it needs things a certain way

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and it's going to like last year it froze on the summer solstice and it all of our lavender
plants as we're spiking and the lat they were growing like that quarter to half an inch a day
in that's the spiking process when they go up and they're getting ready to flower and so all the tops
of my whole 1700 plant field all this died no flowers like it killed the flowers at the end of the

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kill the spikes and then the the older field that was for under plants that's right in front of
my house had some tree shade so that tree actually protected some of the plants from her for you so
like half of those plants had to be trimmed extensively to so what we did is in a hurry like not
we recent you know call all the other farmers and said what's going on what should we do

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and none of them had ever experienced this before in central organ it never happens never happened
ever in anybody's recollection and so we just took a chance and went with our intuition my my
partners a really intuitive plant person he can feel a plants plants pain he knows if it needs water
even if I don't you know like he's really tuned into a plant's energy and he's like this is what we do

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and we just we trimmed back all the plants as if it was the end of the season and they all grew they
send up more spikes and we had an entire harvest that was twice as much as we had planned
about six weeks eight weeks late so we would we still have lavender blooming in October when usually

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the peak bloom is late July the simple so you know listening to your intuition I don't know dealing with
nature's responding to nature's requests of you isn't always fun but you don't have to just
necessarily surrender to no hope you know I was hopeless for about 48 hours and then I said get

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over and Natalie and get to work so that's musically that's what comes to mind yeah the the what what
that story seems to illustrate to me is this idea that part of not only in a reciprocal relationship
is it about giving and taking but it's acknowledging how that giving and taking is going to look

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differently based on the essentially the gifts that you have you know are in this case it's like plant
and human and the the differences of the gifts are going to be pretty extreme and that sense
but you know even even what you said with with this you know amazing experience that you had with
getting like double the amount of of productivity out of the plants in this particular unusual season

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it was it was a risk it was a gamble because of the unknown but it really was it felt like an
honoring of your partner really dialing in to the the senses he has as a as a human to try to really
listen in a way that you can listen to what plant which of course is different than how you can

(40:08):
listen to a human but yeah it really sounds like a huge piece of this reciprocity is about
honoring the different ways of communication within a within a relationship to be able to
truly be reciprocal it's true and when when in terms of the the relationship with the plants

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you know we left some plants without trimming them back just as an experiment and you know those
plants had a harder year actually it looked like they really weren't as happy but the ones that we
actually took the time to each you know tend to each every single one of them they really thrive so

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listening to what is true in the moment rather than you know reflecting on what's happened in the past
or it's really looked listening to what's truly happening in the moment is really important
in all of our relationships and responding to it yeah I love that you know this conversation has
really emphasized all of these amazing and what I call superpowers of of the embodiment type these

(41:18):
these you know amazing gifts and ways of experiencing the world and and offerings to the world
and one of the other things that I like to acknowledge is that you know every every type also has
it shadow sides we all have our challenges we have our blind spots we have the the places where we
get frustrated or we need others support in order to handle and and this is where I'd like to just

(41:42):
take a moment to to hear what your thoughts are around around a few of those and and the one that
seems to be kind of calling to me as as I'm looking at the list here is something that I think is
is used as as a caution and sometimes even an accusation when we talk about the embodiment type is

(42:05):
the the that's sometimes what can happen is this idea of side stepping responsibility um maybe there's
a bypassing that happens or a passive aggressiveness that happens and I'm curious if that's something
that you've had to deal with or is it something that you help people that you work with deal with or do
you think it's a bunch of bologna and it's not something that's actually true well I when I when

(42:31):
I was reflecting on that before I call I noticed that my you know my sidestep is that I avoid conflict
and as a peacemaker and a healer I want to heal something and sometimes in the healing process you
actually actually have to create confront what's not working and um so what happens in that sense

(42:52):
for me is that I don't speak up on polarized political or environmental issues because I don't want
the conflict so I don't have beliefs about them I mean heck I was on the front page of the newspaper
in college for earth day with my big earthlay you know but sometime between being a teenager and

(43:13):
you know being indoctrinated by the business world I would say I decided that it was safer to not
pull you know jump into polarized conversations um unless it's with somebody I but I have a personal
relationship with I'm happy to converse about it but I don't put it on social media I don't do any

(43:34):
that and I feel guilty about that actually I feel sort of some shame about it honestly because I'm like
well I have all these beliefs but I don't want to deal with the people that are going to comment
on my post and and deal with all their negative energy so I just don't you know um I live my life
I've always felt like living is the best example in a certain way but I also

(43:59):
that my shadow side is that I fail to speak up enough um on important issues because I don't want
to have the conflict with the person I don't want to deal with that negative energy that else
do my way yeah and that's that's hard for a lot of people it's it's oftentimes whether it's political
or not to put yourself out authentically around there and whenever that happens it's going to

(44:25):
cause people some people to respond in a negative way and it I think it freezes a lot of people
and and but yes you're I think you're a right also in calling it out as as um kind of going back to
what you talked about at the beginning about it are you going to allow your intuition to override your
fear of that or not yeah fear of that conflict fear of that negative thing so what I be curious to

(44:53):
hear this this this lesson that you've learned about working with the people that you help and learning
how to I guess you could say institute uh instigate conflict I actually do that on purpose when
I'm looking on bringing somebody on as a potential partner on something like the films when I'm
talking to potential producers as I will purposefully plant a conflict because I want to see how

(45:17):
are they going to handle it I want to know you can use that to me okay now you can if you want that
would be fun I am this whole this whole question kind of is really around the shadows I know I
in ill I would ice my journey through the work I do in terms of my intuitive awareness has been a

(45:40):
journey of neutrality and that's sort of an interesting journey because in order to sit for someone
and let them tell you about some really traumatic experience really unkind choices they've made
really dark sides of themselves that they want to heal you can't sit there and go oh you're at
jerk you know like like you don't sit there in your mind and and judge them because

(46:04):
you can't help someone you're judging his camp you have to be neutral and so it's been a huge and
wonderful wonderful part of my own learning through this process to gain more and more neutrality
around people's choices and be as unconditional as I can about accepting them for who they are and

(46:25):
what they want and what feels right as long as it's not harming someone else really if it's harming
someone else then it starts you know it's not that I'm saying I'm being to judge you but it's there's
an intervention that's required right that you can't just stand by idly but if it's a person working
on their themselves and how they live in the world the more neutral I can be the more I can help them

(46:51):
actually and so you know it's hard to be neutral it's really hard to be neutral but I've gotten really
good at it I've gotten really good at it it's like you would be amazed at some of the things I've heard
and I'm just like mm-hmm it's your you know it's it's never it doesn't even surprise me anymore

(47:12):
well and and what I love about what you know the circle that we just went through there was looking at
the shadow and when we do take a look at the shadow what we can find by learning to flex
that muscle or learn through the lessons through it is that we get we get this whole

(47:35):
another level of understanding like when I think about one of the things that I think is a superpower
of the embodiment type is the ability to facilitate experiences that change values and identity
and and by having that experience of you you know working through that shadow around conflict and
bypassing and avoidance you you came out the other side to be able to really hold this place of

(47:59):
neutrality to use it as a strength to facilitate these experiences of change for the people that
you work with and so I think that's that's the the I think the best case scenario with these
these shadows and how when we when we work with them when we look at them honestly they have the
power to actually feed into our superpowers and so I think that's a really beautiful example of it

(48:25):
yeah and I mean what it that made me think of is that shame really never wins it you know like if you
if a person you know I'm thinking about the you know getting someone to be motivated to do something
different in their relationship with the earth so that the earth can sustain us for longer
um if we learn anything from the schtothek church shame doesn't work long term it works short term

(48:51):
and it doesn't work long term and but if you want a really healed relationship you actually have to
talk about the needs of both people in the relationship and in this case it's the earth and us right
so what are what we both we we have needs and we've been living life our needs are all that matters
and now we need to ask you know look at what the earth needs from us um because just trying to get

(49:19):
someone to change their relationship with shame it just it's not either they usually usually
least to avoidance and the reason I thought of that is because of neutrality we have even if a person's
abusive to the earth we have to do our best to stand in neutrality with with them for them to actually
show up for the conversation otherwise they're going to either be defensive or just not even show up

(49:44):
for the conversation you know yeah that's a it's a it's a powerful thing it's also you know
as i'm sure you experienced a very um hard thing to do a very taxing thing to
to to have that energy and and show up in that way and and i i really love some of the the

(50:06):
conversations that happen around this like um i'm thinking of uh Adrian Marie Brown who wrote
emergent strategies and pleasure activism and and when she talks about um uh issues that are
intense like racism um kind of learning which ones do you feel like you can hold your presence for

(50:28):
to truly be of service and which ones do you think will will push you in the wrong places so that
it just kind of becomes a disaster for everybody uh and so i hear that a lot in what you're saying too
is that reflection of um you know you've trained yourself to probably have a bigger and bigger capacity
to to hold that space but i'm sure also part of the boundary setting is going okay that one i can't do

(50:51):
and and i just need to be honest about that with both me and the other person oh for sure there's
certain top there's certain boundaries i've set with with clients i've had to like let say i can't
work with you because the person because it's you know tritory topics um and mostly but it's not

(51:12):
even the topic it's more the energy of the person that if they show up with a um energy that
is costly to me that i that that it's too costly for me to work with them does that make sense
i have really good boundaries with a lot of stuff people bring to the table but sometimes they come

(51:38):
with some pretty intense energies that i can't i have to say no to it's rare but it happens
yeah and i find that interesting kind of bringing us back to this this full circle of the embodiment

(52:02):
type that um you know for adrian marie brown it may be the the language and the spoken word that for her
is is the thing that it's like whoa i this is how i'm going to make the choice between being able to
help or not and for you kind of bringing back to this idea of the embodied sense yeah we
is kind of the deciding factor for you and i think that's another really interesting insight

(52:23):
into this this particular archetype reciprocity that is that's another actually interesting aspect
of reciprocity you know we've already kind of explored what is it beyond give and take it's more the
being able to listen to something that's different than you but then also oh i totally lost the thread

(52:45):
repeat what you said what what was it that you said was the reciprocity there well i was energetic
reciprocity in any exchange there is an energetic reciprocity and if the person that you're having a
debate with or conversation with is just there to take my idea my truth no flexibility then
it's not reciprocity it's just somebody preaching that's not willing to listen you know and um but

(53:11):
there is you know we reciprocity is of listening and actually the energy that happens between
two people you don't have to believe them or agree but you can still actually show up with that
reciprocity energy rather than this that's what i actually it's a huge thing i miss about our culture

(53:32):
i feel like our culture when i was growing up was there was way more space for healthy debate
healthy conversations about differences uh and i feel like is our culture has in the united states has
gotten um has lost that capacity it's like it's just like we've lost our skill a lot in this culture to have

(53:58):
healthy differences and have conversations about them well in the in the honor of that reciprocity
we are actually at the end of our time together it has absolutely flown by i'm so delighted to
to just continue our relationship and continue to deepen into it and so one of the things i like to do

(54:21):
here at the very end is with all of my um friends that i invite to be on this podcast is to ask a
final question that kind of twists things a bit and puts puts the opportunity in your lap when i
ask what's something that you wish i would have asked what did i forget to mention what is something
that you would like to share that i didn't have at the tip of my tongue well the thought that

(54:46):
comes to mind is um i remember being about 10 years old and um sneaking away to go lay in one of my
our our cow pastures and it just like in the grass on with my back on the ground and how good it felt
to feel my back on the earth to feel that it's like you i couldn't explain it in these terms when

(55:08):
i was 10 years old but it it regulated my nervous system it it gave back to me just laying there in the
grass with my back on the ground and during those times i would often write poetry to sort of make
sense of some of my challenging emotions that i didn't have good words for yet um because my

(55:32):
parents had gone through divorce and they were very different personalities and very
both different belief systems and so i was me and my brother were sort of in the middle of
they didn't have conflict but just figure out where we fit and they were both really intense work
they both worked really hard and so to sneak away and lay down and do nothing and just like
receive the earth's energy and try to make sense of my feelings was i think it was a pivotal life

(55:59):
memory and from early in life around my relationship with the earth and so i just wanted to share that
and because it can be simple it can be that simple it can be that simple and
and then the other thing we talked about a lot in this conversation is energy and i i know some

(56:24):
to know it might sound a little bit um rude to some people when we talk energy but
but i really believe that we can affect how we feel on a daily basis by practicing an awareness
of our energy and so i just wanted to offer that whoever's listening to your podcast can

(56:47):
get a free copy of a course that i developed that it's a 10 day practice for
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and noticing where your energy is leaking and stopping those patterns just by being aware of it

(57:08):
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five or seven minute visualization you can do and a journal to track where your energy is going
and and a cheat sheet on understanding where where your energy leaks are happening and how to stop them
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(57:35):
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amazing yeah and we'll make sure that that information is in the show notes so that hopefully
it's just a click away for everybody to to be able to enjoy and i loved both of those both of those
things the one when you were talking about being 10 years old like i i felt my body just like sink

(58:01):
even though i'm standing up right now through through this like i i felt as as if i was horizontal
with my back on the ground and and just the way described it was so like i could feel the energy
that you were speaking of it as so i can imagine that this gift that you're sharing with people
must also just be so powerful with just just the way that you've been able to put words into a way

(58:27):
that follows follows this energetic pattern to help people tune into it i'm sure is such an
amazing gift so thank you for for bringing both of those here to the to the end of our conversation
such a delight to to have you in my life Natalie thank you so much Amber I appreciate it
hey earthmate how did that episode resonate did it stretch you inspire you or perhaps

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