December 13, 2023 • 44 mins
"Serving with Sourced: A Conversation with Chrissy Strohmeyer and Gabrielle Mills"
In this engaging episode of "Echoes through Eternity," Dr. Jeffrey D. Skinner delves into the inspiring journey of Chrissy Strohmeyer and Gabrielle Mills, co-owners and founders of Sourced, a back office services company with a mission to provide unparalleled business support. The conversation touches upon their personal and professional lives, highlighting their commitment to vulnerability and authenticity in leadership.
Chrissy's profound experience in raising foster children and her philanthropic contributions to her community take center stage. Her dedication to making a positive impact on the lives of young people is truly commendable. Gabrielle's role in empowering women leaders adds another layer of depth to their story.
The duo emphasizes the significance of service to others, spotlighting their involvement in organizations like Connections Homes. They underscore the transformative power of mentoring and discipleship in helping individuals navigate life's challenges and develop vital life skills.
The conversation also takes a reflective turn as Dr. Skinner shares his experiences with foster care and the complexities that arise when considering the religious beliefs of children in need of temporary homes. The importance of living authentically, being a faithful witness, and seeking help and support is a recurring theme throughout.
In summary, this episode provides valuable takeaways:
1. The journey of starting a business requires perseverance and adaptability to changing circumstances.
2. Back office services offered by companies like Sourced can enable entrepreneurs and business leaders to focus on their core competencies.
3. Volunteering, especially in foster care and youth organizations, can make a significant impact on the lives of others.
4. Serving others and being a witness for the Lord can manifest through various avenues, including business and volunteer work.
5. Mentoring and discipleship are pivotal in helping individuals navigate life's challenges and develop crucial life skills.
6. Consideration of religious beliefs is an important factor in foster care placements, and humor can help navigate difficult situations.
7. Living authentically and being a faithful witness are essential aspects of faith.
8. Seeking help and support from others can be beneficial in various aspects of life.
Sourced is driven by a noble purpose: to support businesses in their journey to success while contributing to meaningful opportunities. Their commitment to servant leadership, integrity, and excellence is evident in their operations, and they generously donate 10% of their monthly profits to charities that share their values. To learn more about Sourced and their mission, visit www.getsourced.com.
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/echoes-through-eternity-with-dr-jeffery-skinner--5523198/support.
Echoes Through Eternity Guiding church planters and pastors to plant seeds of prayer, holiness, and courage that outlast a lifetime. contact drjefferydskinner@protonmail.com
In this engaging episode of "Echoes through Eternity," Dr. Jeffrey D. Skinner delves into the inspiring journey of Chrissy Strohmeyer and Gabrielle Mills, co-owners and founders of Sourced, a back office services company with a mission to provide unparalleled business support. The conversation touches upon their personal and professional lives, highlighting their commitment to vulnerability and authenticity in leadership.
Chrissy's profound experience in raising foster children and her philanthropic contributions to her community take center stage. Her dedication to making a positive impact on the lives of young people is truly commendable. Gabrielle's role in empowering women leaders adds another layer of depth to their story.
The duo emphasizes the significance of service to others, spotlighting their involvement in organizations like Connections Homes. They underscore the transformative power of mentoring and discipleship in helping individuals navigate life's challenges and develop vital life skills.
The conversation also takes a reflective turn as Dr. Skinner shares his experiences with foster care and the complexities that arise when considering the religious beliefs of children in need of temporary homes. The importance of living authentically, being a faithful witness, and seeking help and support is a recurring theme throughout.
In summary, this episode provides valuable takeaways:
1. The journey of starting a business requires perseverance and adaptability to changing circumstances.
2. Back office services offered by companies like Sourced can enable entrepreneurs and business leaders to focus on their core competencies.
3. Volunteering, especially in foster care and youth organizations, can make a significant impact on the lives of others.
4. Serving others and being a witness for the Lord can manifest through various avenues, including business and volunteer work.
5. Mentoring and discipleship are pivotal in helping individuals navigate life's challenges and develop crucial life skills.
6. Consideration of religious beliefs is an important factor in foster care placements, and humor can help navigate difficult situations.
7. Living authentically and being a faithful witness are essential aspects of faith.
8. Seeking help and support from others can be beneficial in various aspects of life.
Sourced is driven by a noble purpose: to support businesses in their journey to success while contributing to meaningful opportunities. Their commitment to servant leadership, integrity, and excellence is evident in their operations, and they generously donate 10% of their monthly profits to charities that share their values. To learn more about Sourced and their mission, visit www.getsourced.com.
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/echoes-through-eternity-with-dr-jeffery-skinner--5523198/support.
Echoes Through Eternity Guiding church planters and pastors to plant seeds of prayer, holiness, and courage that outlast a lifetime. contact drjefferydskinner@protonmail.com
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In my life. When I've metpeople have had problem with their kids,
I tell them, I go,I don't know how to do this,
but get them to church. You'reeither following their friends. They're either following
their friends or they're following God.And that's where you want to put them
on that path and say that's whereit's worthwhile because that's modern day apostles.
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That's nice, this is modern dayapostles. Yeah, discipleship you need to
you know, that's how you doit. The children. Yeah, hopefully
they'll teach their children. Marcus Abreliussaid, what we do in life echoes
through Eternity. What is your lifeechoing through eternity? Welcome to Echoes through
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Eternity with doctor Jeffrey Skinner. Ourmission is to inspire, engage, and
encourage leaders from across the globe toplant missional churches and be servant leaders.
So join us here of the storiesof servant leaders reverberating lives as God echoes
them through Eternity, brought to youby missional church Planting and leadership Development in
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Dynamic Church Planning International. Welcome intoEchoes through Eturnity, Season three. I
am your host, Doctor Jeffrey D. Skinner and I am joined in the
studio today by two incredibly. Ithink they're probably the busiest ladies on the
planet, but they two great ladiesthat just having to run into our paths
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crossed. I think around Christmas timeof last year at a youth for christ
Christmas dinner. My wife is ateacher. She volunteers. She is the
I don't know, the sponsored teacheror something for the club at her school,
and so all I know is shehas to be there at like seven
am on the on like the thirdWednesday of the month for a bunch of
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kids to gin her Raymand. Sheeven did it online through COVID, and
so she's committed to that. Chrissyone of the owners of Sourced, which
is a company that these two ladiesworked for. They are back office services
company. Anyway, she was there, was her home, lovely home,
just a fantastic host. She andI got to talking and discover that only
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did we have a mutual love forthe Lord, but we had a mutual
love for foster kids and for childrenin general. Both of my children are
adopted out of foster care. Wejust happened to get our daughter when she
was two days old. My sonwas three and a half years old when
we got him. He was aHurricane Katrina refugee. Maybe one day I'll
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interview him, but he didn't rememberanything about it, and right now he
probably he might be an interesting guestsince I'm a pastor, but I might
be a little bit afraid of whathe had say. But anyway, that's
enough about that, but just toowonderful. Gabrielle Mills Chrissy Stromeyer of Source
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I said, they're a back officeservices company. Their website is getsource dot
com, so you can go thereand read about hear about all their services.
They've got a history there, theirstory. But today we have them
in the studio and so you don'thave to go to their website right now,
you can just listen to them tellit and so welcome in, ladies.
It is so fantastic to have youhere. Thank you for making time,
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thank you for having us, thankyou. And full disclosure. They
I do use them for marketing.I have a missional leadership coaching a nonprofit
company are organization that I run.I utilize them from our marketing. Hired
them a couple of months ago.They're doing fantastic job. Jason and Maureen
or two of their folks that helppart of the team there that helped me
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out do fantastic work. But Istill pay them. We're not trading anything
for this, and they're not.They're not. I'm not getting any benefit
from saying nice things about them inany way. So I just want everybody
to know, yes, they aremy I am their customer. No,
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I have no benefit other than just, you know, maybe an extra jewel
in my crown when I get toheaven one day for saying nice things.
Got to say. What I saycomes from the heart, and I truly
believe everything that I say about them. But Lee's if you, if you
are a business owner, I encourageyou to check out their website. They
do fantastic work. So welcome in, ladies. It is so good to
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have you. I'm finally gonna shutup and let you talk. What do
you want to know, my friend? Yeah, so so tell us love.
I said a little bit about sores, but but you are your your
best ambassadors for your brand, Sotalk a little bit about what you do
and then we'll get to to youknow, how it grew out of that,
and then we'll talk about how youuse that for the Lord. Because
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one of the things that I liketo do and really focusing on this season
is echoing the voices of people likeyourselves who are in the marketplace or in
the workforce. But they don't necessarilywalk around with their Bible in their hands
saying, hey, guys, let'sgether in the break room at nine o'clock
in the morning to do a devotion. They don't Jesus a scripture or Jesus,
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you know, except maybe saying Jesus, I can't believe I'm so busy.
It may not necessarily, it maynot leave our mouths in a way
that it should sometimes, but weknow that we're being a witness for Him
in the workplace there and everybody thatI'm interviewing so far this season is about
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that. They're not professional clergy.God has called us out. God has
says, go, we read thatgreat commission, go into all the world
and make disciples. We read thatas go in all world like we're doing,
you know, go to Africa,or go to India, and we're
gonna, you know, go tothe other side of town or on the
wrong side of tracks. We willgo somewhere else to preach the gospel,
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to make disciples. When we lookat that real translation, though, it's
more like as you go, asyou're living your life, so as you
are doing what I have gifted youto do. So if that's to been
an accountant, as you're an accountant, live your life, be a make
disciples, be a preach to gospelas you're a carpenter as you do your
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hammer, your nails, as youbuild your houses, as you build factories.
As you do these things, preachthe gospel, make disciples, right,
That's what it's about. So that'sthe focus of this season. So
those are kind of the three areasI want to talk about. As your
your call, how you know howGod got you into this area here,
how you use that to be ablessing to others and your gifts and be
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a witness for the Lord. Andthen the story and then talk about what
your company does and increasing you doa ton of volunteer work, like I
said, with for Christ as wellas the community, community, children,
connections, homes, connections, homeconnection homes. I wrote it down and
then I turned a page on mynotepad here and so a lot of good
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that did but anyway, so talkabout those four things there. So,
anyway, Gabrielle, talk a littlebit about about Sourced. What all you
guys, I can certainly do that, Jeff So. Sourced is a back
office services company and we serve entrepreneursand business leaders in the small to mid
market segment and what we've learned.So I guess it really starts with our
story of how we started Sourced andhow we came up with the idea of
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what we do. We have fiveservices within our business, accounting, HR,
talent acquisition, administrative support, andmarketing. All of those things are
within the back office, which iswhy we say we do back office professional
services. Right. But when Christyand I set out to start this business,
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that is so not what we thoughtwe were going to end up doing.
Really, what happened was is thatGod spoke to me and he said,
Gabrielle, I want you to bean entrepreneur. I want you to
start a business. And I justthought that was super groovy. And I
called her and I was like,oh, by the way, Chrissy is
my mom. I don't think we'vesaid that yet. So I am Chrissie's
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daughter. She's my mama. Soafter this moment where God spoke to me,
I obviously called my mom and Iwas like, yes, what happened
and it was really cool, andshe was like, hey, so what
kind of business are you thinking aboutdoing? And I said, well,
he didn't tell me that. Hedidn't really get go there, but we
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kind of decided in that conversation thatwe wanted to do it together and that
that was always her dream and ithas recently became my dream as of that
time. And so we decided tobecome business partners, and we looked at
all sorts of different franchises. Weknew we wanted to be B to B.
We knew we wanted to have ateam of people and be the reason
to create jobs and put bright onpeople's table. I was a product of
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the recession, the earlier recession,not the one we're in now, and
so we wanted to be a littlebit of recession resistant. And we wanted
to have a fun business, andwe want to have recurring revenues, so
that was important too, but wewanted to do it to be really fun,
and so we went on this multiyear journey trying to figure out from
a franchise perspective what that would be, and we just didn't. We didn't
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find it anywhere. We got closeon a couple, but they just it
wasn't for us. And God wasjust every time we got closed, he
just kind of closed the door.And we're ver frustrated at times, but
you know, he always knows whathe's doing. And so it got to
be that we were at this crossroadsof like, okay, so we're no
longer going to do the franchise thinganymore. We have this money that we
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were going to give to a franchiseor to buy the model, so we
still have that. Do we wantto just say that that was a really
cool experience that mothers and daughters don'tever get to do together, and that's
just fun story and we'd be gratefulfor it. Do we want to roll
the dice and say, all right, we have this money, why don't
we just invested in ourselves doing somethingand see if we can make something of
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it. So we threw caution tothe wind and we did, but in
doing that, we also looked ateach other and we're like, so what
do you want to do? Andwe were like, oh, so our
big idea because we were so smartat the time, Guy say facetiously was
we went around to as many businessowners that would let us in the building
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and Google, and we tried tofigure out where businesses were underserved and how
we could help them and if peoplewere wanted to do it all over again,
what would they do. And weput all their thoughts up on a
whiteboard, and back office services kindof came out of that. Now,
we weren't smart enough at the timeto realize that's what we were looking at.
We just kind of meshed together abunch of services and just started going.
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Granted, we did take six monthsto build the business first, we
had people that wanted our support,so we didn't open for another six months
after we came up with the concept, but we didn't know was back office
quote unquote back office related until probablythree or four. I don't think we're
the brightest crans in the box,but we just keep on going. And
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so that's really the story of Sourceand now we are very blessed to be
able to provide these business services toreally the best people in the world,
the entrepreneurs that are doing the hustleand grind every single day. They're trying
to make a living for their families. They're trying to live a dream for
themselves. They're trying to have theAmerican dream. They're I mean, they're
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just the salt of the earth peopleand in the best way. And those
people need help and they need support, and they can't do their They can't
make their dream of reality on theirown. You just can't. You need
people. And running a business,as you know, Jeff, is really
hard to do, and we wantto make that a little easier for people.
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So that's why we do the servicesthat we do, and that's why
we have all of those different servicesunder one roof. A lot of people
thought we were absolutely crazy for havingthem all, but we said no,
Like, there could be a businessleader who needs just hr support, but
there also could be one that wantstalent acquisition and accounting. That's so random,
but you can find it the sameplace with us. So we're really
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there to help businesses succeed, helppeople grow, help them not only create
opportunities for themselves, but create opportunitieswithin our own doors. Right, that's
why we get up out of bedin the morning, and that's that's kind
of our story and how we startedand having the fractional services are nice.
So when businesses are a little smallerthat they can use fractional services. They
don't need every position to be fulltime, and so we can provide better
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pricing on a fractional level. Andas they grow, and we've seen businesses
over the years grow to where it'slike now I meet talent Acquisition, which
usually does full time roles for people. So we've gone everything again under one
roof to help something to grow.So it's been a thrill to see clients
over the years like build up becausewe've been able to support them on the
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journey. And that's I mean,that's just such a thrill. It is.
It's sad losing them as a monthlyclient, but it's great to say,
fly little bird, well you usethem when Brain will help train them
and then they've got their team ofpeople. But at the same time,
that's not always what happens. Sometimesvery more mid market clients will come to
us and they'll say, you know, I've got I've got two and three
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roles that we need to hire forand we say, you really don't.
You can outsource it for less?Did that just today? Yeah? Just
today? So we end up helpingtheir bottom line significantly when they outsource parts
or their whole departments. Even so, we serve the smallest of the small
really once they're ready to delegate.You know, there's good things you got
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to go through. But the largerclients really find value in US two because
we help save the money. Yeahyeah, yeah, I mean it's cheaper
to hire you. What I foundit is cheaper to hire you guys,
and it is to hire an employee. And for me it was, you
know, I'm using all these variousplaces out there to try and you know,
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create my images from marketing, andI'm trying to come up with the
marketing myself. And then I've gotthis other company that provides employees that will
do this. And so the attractionfor me was, like you said,
everything into one roof, and Ihave the capacity to grow with you guys.
So as my needs increase, youguys can do more than just marketing
for me. You can do thebackground, the back office of accounting and
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things like that as well. Andthen of course nonprofits are unique in of
themselves because they're not existing for profit. They're existing more for ministry type purposes.
There So I have certainly found ityou and can second everything that you
said there. Love the story andhow often is it that mom and daughter
get to work together? For us? Now, we're in back to back
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offices and there are days and Idon't get to see every as of online
calls. But you know, overall, we're a company who likes to serve
people, like everybody in organization.In fact, then Marielle and I onboard
everybody who comes into our organization.We're on that first call, so they
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know who we are and it's it'sit's really amusing when we talk with them.
And they're all over the country too. But we say somewhere in your
interview you said I like to helppeople and so, and you'll see their
eyes lighted up and them going yes, And I'm like, that's why we
hired you. You know, obviouslyfor the expertise too, but we hire
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people who like to serve others.And that's the secret sauce for us,
because it's about serving. It's notabout the money. The money everybody needs
you got to be able to payyour billion. It's a service organization and
that we say that on our value. If there's no higher purpose than that
for us. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, and one theme. And
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it's funny because I heard this,and I told the last guest that I
interviewed the same thing. I can'tremember where I heard it. So we'll
just give God the credit, rightbecause he created all things anyway, even
our brains. Therefore, he,you know, tangentially gets credit for anything
that we do or say. I'mbeing funny. I don't know who said
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that, but essentially it was showme someone whose purpose they think, you
know, for their organization simply tomake money, and no matter how much
money they have, I will showyou someone who's miserable. Show me someone
whose purpose is to serve others butsimultaneously happens to make a little money while
serving them. I'll show you someonewho's thriving in life and extremely happy with
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their life. And you know,we can point to millionaires and billionaires across
the landscape out there who got allkinds of money and and you know,
ultimately they end up becoming philanthropists orsomething in order to find their purpose.
Otherwise they kill themselves. And that'ssad to say, but they they're just
so miserable, and you're thinking,how can you be miserable? With that
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much money. And the answer isbecause money is not what you make you
happy. Money may facilitate you makingothers happy, and that will make you
happy because you're doing what God hascaused you to do and as to make
a difference in other people's life.You're making disciples, you're serving others.
Jesus had all the power in theworld, he was God incarnate, but
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the Bible tells us he came toserve. And I think that is you
know, the message I want toget across this this season, and that
goes the eturnity is. Look,you know, no, at no time
in my life has there ever beena greater mission filled, especially within the
United States, for Christians to beservants as opposed to you can still be
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a leader. Here's servant leadership mustseek to serve first. And that's what
I like about Sorts. That's whatI like about your company and Chrissy.
That brings us back to you putyour money where your mouth is, so
to speak. You serve on allkinds of boards. You serve mentioned Youth
for Christ You're on their board.You serve on with the foster care people,
that community, excunity, connections,children, connections, Homes Man,
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I can't get that on why I'mhaving a mental block on that. Connections
Home station that best served foster kidsis where my heart is. Yeah a
very very long time. But ConnectionTones helps you know, as foster kids
age out of foster care, wheredo they go? What do they do?
Who's who? You find? Somany of them going to jail or
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getting pregnant and those kids are intofoster care. Connections Homes really stumps that
in its tracks and is proven itover the years. I think we've been
in business and a family board memberfor eight or nine years now, I
don't remember how many. But weprovide mentoring families for those youth who are
aging out of foster care or whoare homeless. Let's say somebody goes in
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their church and they connect. Theycontact connection zones and says, here's this
youth who has nobody else. Sowhere do they go? How do they
know how to sign a lease?How do they know how to buy a
car? We actually connect them withpeople who are right for them. They
get to pick it. So ifsomebody wants to be a doctor, connect
we try to connect them with peoplein the medical field who can mentor and
shepherd them and the success rate iscrazy. I won't share all of that
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with you, but I tell youwhat. It really lists up young adults
because they're not kids anymore. AndI was a foster fearing for over ten
years, but it actually takes themfor the commitment is forever, like the
mentoring families sign up forever to bein this youth life and the things that
happen in that organization are amazing.We started in Georgia, we have it
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in Georgia, in Texas and justcoming on board in Tennessee. So there's
a lot of foster kids out therewho need somebody. Everybody used to say
and I got into fostering, likeI'm literally becoming a foster parent because I'm
eighteen year old. You know.People would say they should know, and
I'm like, how do they know? That they were never taught? And
so this actually provides that basis forthem to know and have somebody to call
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on horse of board And it's actuallyspeaking on that part about how do they
know if they were never taught.Chrissy has kind of broken that down for
me over the years of like whatwhat does this insurance deductible mean? Like
how do you change a tire?Or what happens with my savings? So
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like if I what bills do Ipay first? You know? So it's
it's a lot of things that youdon't ever really think about, like what
what's an interest rate? You know? Like these things are never taught in
school. They should be. ButI just when she would break that down
for me right in the beginning,I'm like, oh my gosh. Yes,
I always would go to my parentsto be like, how do I
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file these taxes? What's aching?Walk? What that that's somewhere for them
to go because and I don't thinkpeople really realize that because we're all busy
doing our own lives. But someonehad to tell us, yeah, you're
right. In our own organization,we have that same type of desire to
when somebody makes a mistake you weretalking about, that is that we find
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out do they know? Are theyaware? Do we need to retrain?
Do we need to what? It'snot a personal thing, it's a it's
really a hey, let's find outwhere your knowledge base is so then we
can, you know, help youout with that. And it's and so
it's never personally it's business, butit's also human to say, you know
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what, maybe you don't know,let's think of that first. What's the
first thing we always do, doyou know? And I think that that's
just really important. But the organizationwas started by Pam Parish out of Victory
World Church. She had had athought of doing this and when I met
her and she asked me to beon board, I was like, absolutely.
This is why it's been a brillto watch them grow and just grow
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and didn't really now go out toother states, and this is we're going
to continue to grow because there's moreand more views that just meets somebody,
and these people who may have aparent still but their parents are addicts or
they're not there for them, butnow they have true parents. And I
have one of my daughters who isofficially being adopted next month, but she's
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been with me since she was thirteenfourteen years old when she was my first
boster daughter, and I'm really herconnections homes. She has a mother,
and her mother's an addict and doesn'treally connect with her. But I've been
in her life and walking that journeywith her for eleven and twelve year years
and she sees me as her mother. She calls me her mother. She
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tells me her mother on her mother, and so that's and the girl is
a superstar, Like I can talkall day about her. She's a superstar.
And she got it because somebody's breathedinto her, breathes life into her.
She was an f student on thestreet with nobody in her life,
and now all of a sudden,like she's the top salesperson and she sells
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insurance, which is really hard todo, and last month she didn't.
She wasn't the top person, andshe was really upset about the top person.
But she has kind of learned inher husband, she's married now with
two children, has said she remembersevery single lesson you taught her and lessons
it's a really good story. AndI'm finally glad to adopt her officially because
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we're kind of awkward. She's myfirst boster daughter and so for me,
that's where we made the connection ofyouth. For christ, we have two
that you've adopted. This'll be she'llbe my third that I've a wow,
how about that? Yeah, madam, you know the reason I wanted you
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guys on because you have you're you'reexceeding your your call. I guess you
could say. I mean you're you'remaking a difference in so many different places,
not just in the marketplace. Imean you're busy as you can be,
just ringing the business, but youalso take time and carve out time
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to serve on these boards and pourinto other people's lives. And I think
that's a testament to us all anda reminder to us all that you know,
what we do, what we wantto do, we can be busy.
That becomes a kind of an excuseto you know, well, I
don't want to do this. Ican just say I'm busy. And also
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we're where sometimes as a badge ofhonor, you know, I'm busy.
But I think stewarding our schedule isa better way to said. And you
do a great job of stewarting yourschedules. You know, you still make
time to serve in the community whilesimultaneously serving people through your business. And
that's why one of you guys onthat said, it's just incredible there.
But the payoff, I mean,the legacy that you have when we're able
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to pour into people. And Ineed to connect you. You didn't mention
Alabama. I need to connect youwith the Big House Foundation, and that
was started by the daughter of Hayden. That's my youngest and one that was
two days old when we adopted her. She's now sixteen. Her siblings were
adopted by another couple in OPLELA.Like Alabama, their daughters started Big House
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Foundation, which is a resource foradoptive parents. You guys, your people
would be that at Connection Homes wouldbe the next logical step for them to
partner with there because there's all kindsof kids in Alabama. They Hayden had
a brother of aged out of fostercare system because then I won't go into
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the entire story, but it wassome severe trauma, you know, not
just physical and emotional, but beyondthat, just trauma within their home.
Fortunately Hayden was never exposed to that. Unfortunately her brothers and sisters were,
and her oldest brother there's just sometrouble in the home was not able to
the foster parents that were planning theyend up being the adoptive parents for her
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sisters, were not able to adoptthem, and they ended up aging her
foster care. And I don't knowthat Alabama has an agency like Connections Homes
and so be could get used asConnected, So I would I like about
the organization too, is not everybodycan be a foster parent. That's a
lot to ask, it is,and I've seen her do it over over
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the course of ten years and easyit is not. Yeah, And what
I think is really cool about theConnections Home model is you don't have to
You can have a calling, butyou don't have to take on quite as
much as a foster parent. Yeah, you just have to be there.
You just have to be available.They don't have to live with you,
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they don't. You don't have tobecome their like adoptive parents. It's a
lot, but you just need tobe there for their heart and for their
minds. And it's a lot lesschallenging but demanding of a row and the
actual foster parent of a minor.Yeah, but don't underestimate the value of
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simply you know, not everybody canhave there. Let's use a body analogy.
Not everybody's gonna be an entire body, right, but you be a
finger and you can be at handthat there are times where I need just
a finger. There are times anorganizations like that just need that. And
so intanously, you have young childrenof your own foster children have been traumatized,
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and you know, not to puta label on anyone. My mom's
a counselor. I fully understand trauma, but that comes with that, unfortunately
as some baggage. Sometimes when youhave young children of your own, you
really have to think first about thesafety of them. As much as you
love and care for and have aheart part of these foster kids, you
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cannot endanger your own children for thatsake. So this gives you a way
to be involved without having to dothat. Yeah, that's why I had
to stop serving as a foster parent. I had over fifty kids in my
only fifty five fifty six or so. But I adopted the two young ones
and you know, out of fostercare, and I did teens. And
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I'm telling you, the police,the ambulance, the fire department was at
my house every other day. Yeah, there is a lot of trauma there
is. I took taking in girls. I'm telling you, one hundred percent
of them have been raped, youknow, at thirteen, fourteen years old,
fifteen years old? What do youdo with that? How do you
unpack? And so that's why Ihad to stop fostering. But doubling back
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to the connections homes you talk abouta finger. There was one youth I
remember specifically, and all he wantedwas a cupcake with a candle for his
birthday. There isn't everybody I meanto remember it was his birthday and to
call him and to say happy birthday. That was it he could If he
could just have an adult who canremember his birthday every year, that's all
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he wanted. And it goes alittle bit further than that, but at
a minimument has that, you know, you call your own children when it's
their birthday and say happy birthday andhopefully get him a cake or something.
But that's such a small want,and it's or like come to Thanksgiving,
yeah, you know. Or thisis a random call of like, hey,
I've had a bad day at work. I'd like to just vent,
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you know. As the people thatdid not grow up in foster care and
aged out of foster care, theseare things that we don't even hit our
radar because we grow up with communitiesthat these kids send these now adults.
And so it's I think what PAMstarted as absolutely amazing because it is more
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easily accessible for people to get involvedin the foster care system, but I
think it ends up being even moreimpactful. Has some challenges because you're dealing
with people with trauma, but youremember more about your a young adult life
and your adult life than you doabout your childhood sometimes, and those lessons
are sometimes more meaningful because it's thingslike what you have to do every year
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for assurance? How do you acceptjob offer? Or you know what does
this like mean in my car?You know, remember these things, and
it's it's just a really cool Yeah, you're right. I mean, we
take those soft skills and we callthem solve skills, which they're I mean,
sometimes they're hard skills too, thatlife skills. Yeah, life skills.
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That's right, we need to takethat. We take that for granted
a lot of times. My own'sthe son that adopted Blaine, who's nineteen
now at college. I remember whenhe first came to live with us.
He walked in the door, andat the time we were living in Auburn,
Alabama. I was planting a churchdown there, and we had the
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really high ceilings. I have sincelearned that really high ceilings also mean really
high electric bills, so I don'thave high ceilings anymore. But he walked
in. We had those high seatingsand he's like, wow, a castle
and he all he had was aMickey Mouse jacket and a Walmart bag and
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a clothes on his back. Butthe one thing that he was fascinated with,
and it's took us years to figureout what was going on, but
every time somebody would come into thehouse, he'd want to know, are
you going to take your shoes off? That was the first question he asked
when someone would come in to ourhouse. Are you going to take your
shoes off? We're like, well, buddy, why does that matter if
they take their shoes off? Youknow? And after they leave, he'd
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be like, who is that ladythat had the shoes on with the yellow
stripe and the purple. We're like, I wasn't watching your shoes, buddy,
I'm not sure who you're talking about. And to this day I told
him, joking with us, hisson, I said, the expense for
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your college is going up because thecollege the university contacted us and said,
you need a separate room for yourshoes. He's fascinating with shoes. To
this day, we finally figured outthat shoes represent for him. Who he
could attach to. Who are youpermanent in my life? Are you going
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to stick around? If you takeyour shoes off, I can attach to
you because you're going to be apermanent part of my life. If you
don't take your shoes off, Iknow I can't trust you, I can't
attach to you. But so Ineed to know are you going to take
your shoes off? So I knowhow to act and who to love people.
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And you think about, well,you need parents on the journey,
But you know in doubling back toChrist, you mean Christ on the journey.
I will tell you that. Andyou know this that Gabrielle and I
we always say our third partner isChrist. You know. We pray when
you know, for blanks, andwe pray for when we need something,
just like we would do with ourown lives. But that's why you mentioned
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Youth for Christ. That's why that'sthe other organization that I serve and when
i'm a board member, I'm anactive board member. They are going out
into the schools. I didn't evenknow it was possible, but they are
going out into the schools. Asyou know, you're wipe being a teacher,
and I don't know like them.They are teaching Christ to middle school
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and high schoolers enter Atlanta and it'slike, that's that's who you need for
the journey. You need parents andyou need Christ and you know, for
the journey. And it's getting people, it's getting them to know Christ.
And our executive director, Mike mcaulliff, he was a team. He came
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to Youth for Christ and actually toBaryl Beach where I was from too.
I've lived there, and he camejust to play basketball. And now he's
the executive director of Metro Atlanta Youthfor Christ and we're trying to get into
all the different schools. And inmy life, when I've met people have
had problems with their kids, Itell them, I go, I don't
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know how to do this, butget them to church. You're either following
their friends. They're either following theirfriends or they're following God. And that's
where you want to put them onthat path. And so that's where it's
worthwhile because that's modern day apostles.That's why this is modern day apostles.
Yeah, discipleship, you need toyou know, that's how you do it.
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The children. Yeah, hopefully they'llteach their children that's exactly right.
Yeah. In fact, I meanthat is that is the topic of the
book that I'm writing now, isworking on chapter six today, the final
chapter. I hope this has beena labor of love. But it's mentor
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me, you know. And whatyou're talking about, what we've talked about,
not just I mean you get inthe workforce, you need mentors because
I'm telling I don't know what they'reI don't know what colleges are teaching graduates
today, but they're not teaching themthe skills they need to run a business
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that you have to train that andin the workplace today. My son his
degree, he's been saying since heis in ninth grade or tenth grade,
he wanted to be an entrepreneur.That's great, son, but you you
know, entrepreneur just means you ownyour own business. What's your own business?
You got to think about what you'regoing to do, you know,
And he's I just warm on myown business. Well again, that's great.
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So you got to learn some skills. Look good for you. In
other words, what you're saying,you want wake up at six am.
You will be in the office atsix thirty am, and you will get
home at midnight and you want todo that all over again the next day.
That's what you're saying you want todo. Now, what is that
you love so much that you wantto do that for that long, every
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day for the next forty years whileyou build that business, and then you
pass that along to your kids,you know. But they are one of
the things I love about. Hisdegree with entrepreneurship is a business degree,
but they give them like he's inNashville, so they get to work on
the super Bowl ads when the SuperBowl was in Nashville, they got to
work on the ad agency with designthat. Yeah, I mean, that's
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real world experience, right. Sothey graduate and it's not just that,
I mean, it's music industry there. So they get to serve. They
get to work in the music industryalongside some of these record label executives and
people like that, learning the insand outs of the music industry if you
want to be a music entrepreneur.So they get kind of a taste of
everything. But they're learning hard skillsand soft skills of leadership and tenacity and
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things like that. But they're gottinghard skills that they can take into the
workforce with them, and so weneed those mentors at all levels. We
need those into workfloors, we needthose in the and they need to be
godly leaders as well. And you'retalking and we've got to go here.
I know you guys have a lotgoing on. But the last funny story
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here we're talking about foster care.One of my favorite conversations when we were
doing foster care was the lady fromthe Department of Human Resources called us up
and said, hey, mister Skinner, Reverend Skinner, we have this is
after we'd already adopted our two kids, we have another young lady that needs
at least temporary home, you know, and said, we're trying to find
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somebody to adopt her. We've gotseveral feelers out from these home members,
but we need somebody to keep herin the meantime. Okay, well that's
fine, And she was, youknow, she told the age and all
that. I don't want to gettoo specific, but they called up and
said, well, the only thingis we need to know if you want
her religion. And I said,well, I said, you know,
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I'm a pastor Christian. I said, I'm not gonna like tire down and
do an exorcism or anything like that. But certainly, you know, we'll
be going to church every Sunday.It's gonna be hard to grow up in
my home and not hear the wordJesus Christ, and you know, pray
and read your Bible and you knowthe things that we do in Christianity that
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shape us. It's gonna be hardto hide that from this young lady.
And I said, so, it'swhat religion is she and I said,
well, she's she's wicking. Isaid, oh, I said, okay,
Well, I said, no,I'm probably not gonna honor that.
Well, we're not sure you cantake her then, and okay, yeah,
so she said, well, I'llget with my boss. So,
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you know, a couple of dayslater she called that. Well, I
talked to my boss and they said, it's okay if you don't honor her
religion. I said, okay,But but I said, now, when
I say I'm not gonna honor it, we're not gonna, you know,
kill chickens in my front yard either, right, I said, we're not
going to bark at the moon.We're not going to do these things.
I'm not sure my sho would allowme to have chickens in my front yard
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anyway. So she's like, okay, mister Skinner, and we understand what
you're saying. But anyway, weended up taking that young lady in and
and then one year she one dayshe went to school and and this is
back when swine flu is going around, and so that was before COVID even
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happened. But this was like thepandemic that we thought might have happened before,
and it never turned into anything.By the time the schools were kind
of panking, this young lady wentto school and told all of her teachers
that she had been exposed to swineflu. Fortunately, my wife worked next
door to school. Next door theyknew her. So they called her and
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said, hey, this girl hassaid she is exposed to swine flu.
We've got her in quarantine in frontoffice. She need to come get her.
My wife was like, no,she has not been exposed to swine
flue. You know. So andso just you know, had a cold,
but there was not swine flu.And they go through that. Those
are the do do that you facein foster care. But but there's a
lot of humor involved. If youcan, you know, look back as
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well. Sourced COVID. Jeff,I had because I had teens. And
you know, I'm sitting in thefront row in church with we're Catholic with
two young I guess there are teenswho had no faith and then one must
of them. And she came tochurch and she's got in church. You
know, she didn't know, butshe was just curious and what's all about?
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And you never know what they're goingto get. And it's really not
ours to do, it's God's todo, right, Yeah, and let
God work? Yeah, Yeah,there you go. Look, I'll say
Christianity has to be caught before it'staught. And you know, and that
goes back to that being a faithfulwitness. And look, none of us
are perfect. I don't mean toyou know what I tell people More than
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anything, they want you to liveyour life authentically. H My granddaddy,
he had third grade education. Hetried to teach me to hammer nails and
cutboards and and things like that.I still don't know how. I mean,
he'd complain, could you know,hold the hammer too tight? It
just rear back, hit son,and I'd rear back and miss. But
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what I did catch? Give whatI did catch? Was his faith,
was his tenacity and his love forthe Lord. He didn't teach me to
kneel down every evening and pray thelike it all depended upon him, you
know, and work like it alldepends upon him. He'd get up at
five. He didn't teach me towake up at five am and go to
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work and then come home in tenfour gardens and then go and visit his
parishioners in their homes and then wakeback up and then come in and eat
dinner and pray till time to goto bed, and then start all over
again the next day. He didn'tteach me that, but I did catch
that. So that's what you're talkingabout there. That's the more important thing
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to catch. Hey, ladies,how to follow the Lord that the hammer
and they'll properly any day. Yeah, there you go, there you go.
It is so good having y'all andthank you for the work that you're
doing for me and or serving theLord. Especially. Sourced is the name
of their company. Get sourced attheir website. Go there, check them
out. If you have a business, I promise you it's some of the
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best money you'll invest as to youknow, because you're not just hiring,
you know, one person, you'rehiring an entire team. And you know,
there are times that I email themand meet with them and just brainstorm
with them, just trying to fleshthings out. And it's just good to
have sounding work in time to time, you know. And that's what they
do. They are there for you. So I encourage you to call these
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ladies, these Christian ladies, becauseI promise you they love the Lord and
they will serve you. It's greathaving y'all. Thank you, Jeff,
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In my life. When I've metpeople have had problem with their kids,
I tell them, I go,I don't know how to do this,
but get them to church. You'reeither following their friends. They're either following
their friends or they're following God.And that's where you want to put them
on that path and say that's whereit's worthwhile because that's modern day apostles.
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That's nice, this is modern dayapostles. Yeah, discipleship you need to
you know, that's how you doit. The children. Yeah, hopefully
they'll teach their children. Marcus Abreliussaid, what we do in life echoes
through Eternity. What is your lifeechoing through eternity? Welcome to Echoes through
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Dynamic Church Planning International. Welcome intoEchoes through Eturnity, Season three. I
am your host, Doctor Jeffrey D. Skinner and I am joined in the
studio today by two incredibly. Ithink they're probably the busiest ladies on the
planet, but they two great ladiesthat just having to run into our paths
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crossed. I think around Christmas timeof last year at a youth for christ
Christmas dinner. My wife is ateacher. She volunteers. She is the
I don't know, the sponsored teacheror something for the club at her school,
and so all I know is shehas to be there at like seven
am on the on like the thirdWednesday of the month for a bunch of
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kids to gin her Raymand. Sheeven did it online through COVID, and
so she's committed to that. Chrissyone of the owners of Sourced, which
is a company that these two ladiesworked for. They are back office services
company. Anyway, she was there, was her home, lovely home,
just a fantastic host. She andI got to talking and discover that only
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did we have a mutual love forthe Lord, but we had a mutual
love for foster kids and for childrenin general. Both of my children are
adopted out of foster care. Wejust happened to get our daughter when she
was two days old. My sonwas three and a half years old when
we got him. He was aHurricane Katrina refugee. Maybe one day I'll
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interview him, but he didn't rememberanything about it, and right now he
probably he might be an interesting guestsince I'm a pastor, but I might
be a little bit afraid of whathe had say. But anyway, that's
enough about that, but just toowonderful. Gabrielle Mills Chrissy Stromeyer of Source
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I said, they're a back officeservices company. Their website is getsource dot
com, so you can go thereand read about hear about all their services.
They've got a history there, theirstory. But today we have them
in the studio and so you don'thave to go to their website right now,
you can just listen to them tellit and so welcome in, ladies.
It is so fantastic to have youhere. Thank you for making time,
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thank you for having us, thankyou. And full disclosure. They
I do use them for marketing.I have a missional leadership coaching a nonprofit
company are organization that I run.I utilize them from our marketing. Hired
them a couple of months ago.They're doing fantastic job. Jason and Maureen
or two of their folks that helppart of the team there that helped me
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out do fantastic work. But Istill pay them. We're not trading anything
for this, and they're not.They're not. I'm not getting any benefit
from saying nice things about them inany way. So I just want everybody
to know, yes, they aremy I am their customer. No,
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I have no benefit other than just, you know, maybe an extra jewel
in my crown when I get toheaven one day for saying nice things.
Got to say. What I saycomes from the heart, and I truly
believe everything that I say about them. But Lee's if you, if you
are a business owner, I encourageyou to check out their website. They
do fantastic work. So welcome in, ladies. It is so good to
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have you. I'm finally gonna shutup and let you talk. What do
you want to know, my friend? Yeah, so so tell us love.
I said a little bit about sores, but but you are your your
best ambassadors for your brand, Sotalk a little bit about what you do
and then we'll get to to youknow, how it grew out of that,
and then we'll talk about how youuse that for the Lord. Because
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one of the things that I liketo do and really focusing on this season
is echoing the voices of people likeyourselves who are in the marketplace or in
the workforce. But they don't necessarilywalk around with their Bible in their hands
saying, hey, guys, let'sgether in the break room at nine o'clock
in the morning to do a devotion. They don't Jesus a scripture or Jesus,
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you know, except maybe saying Jesus, I can't believe I'm so busy.
It may not necessarily, it maynot leave our mouths in a way
that it should sometimes, but weknow that we're being a witness for Him
in the workplace there and everybody thatI'm interviewing so far this season is about
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that. They're not professional clergy.God has called us out. God has
says, go, we read thatgreat commission, go into all the world
and make disciples. We read thatas go in all world like we're doing,
you know, go to Africa,or go to India, and we're
gonna, you know, go tothe other side of town or on the
wrong side of tracks. We willgo somewhere else to preach the gospel,
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to make disciples. When we lookat that real translation, though, it's
more like as you go, asyou're living your life, so as you
are doing what I have gifted youto do. So if that's to been
an accountant, as you're an accountant, live your life, be a make
disciples, be a preach to gospelas you're a carpenter as you do your
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hammer, your nails, as youbuild your houses, as you build factories.
As you do these things, preachthe gospel, make disciples, right,
That's what it's about. So that'sthe focus of this season. So
those are kind of the three areasI want to talk about. As your
your call, how you know howGod got you into this area here,
how you use that to be ablessing to others and your gifts and be
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a witness for the Lord. Andthen the story and then talk about what
your company does and increasing you doa ton of volunteer work, like I
said, with for Christ as wellas the community, community, children,
connections, homes, connections, homeconnection homes. I wrote it down and
then I turned a page on mynotepad here and so a lot of good
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that did but anyway, so talkabout those four things there. So,
anyway, Gabrielle, talk a littlebit about about Sourced. What all you
guys, I can certainly do that, Jeff So. Sourced is a back
office services company and we serve entrepreneursand business leaders in the small to mid
market segment and what we've learned.So I guess it really starts with our
story of how we started Sourced andhow we came up with the idea of
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what we do. We have fiveservices within our business, accounting, HR,
talent acquisition, administrative support, andmarketing. All of those things are
within the back office, which iswhy we say we do back office professional
services. Right. But when Christyand I set out to start this business,
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that is so not what we thoughtwe were going to end up doing.
Really, what happened was is thatGod spoke to me and he said,
Gabrielle, I want you to bean entrepreneur. I want you to
start a business. And I justthought that was super groovy. And I
called her and I was like,oh, by the way, Chrissy is
my mom. I don't think we'vesaid that yet. So I am Chrissie's
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daughter. She's my mama. Soafter this moment where God spoke to me,
I obviously called my mom and Iwas like, yes, what happened
and it was really cool, andshe was like, hey, so what
kind of business are you thinking aboutdoing? And I said, well,
he didn't tell me that. Hedidn't really get go there, but we
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kind of decided in that conversation thatwe wanted to do it together and that
that was always her dream and ithas recently became my dream as of that
time. And so we decided tobecome business partners, and we looked at
all sorts of different franchises. Weknew we wanted to be B to B.
We knew we wanted to have ateam of people and be the reason
to create jobs and put bright onpeople's table. I was a product of
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the recession, the earlier recession,not the one we're in now, and
so we wanted to be a littlebit of recession resistant. And we wanted
to have a fun business, andwe want to have recurring revenues, so
that was important too, but wewanted to do it to be really fun,
and so we went on this multiyear journey trying to figure out from
a franchise perspective what that would be, and we just didn't. We didn't
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find it anywhere. We got closeon a couple, but they just it
wasn't for us. And God wasjust every time we got closed, he
just kind of closed the door.And we're ver frustrated at times, but
you know, he always knows whathe's doing. And so it got to
be that we were at this crossroadsof like, okay, so we're no
longer going to do the franchise thinganymore. We have this money that we
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were going to give to a franchiseor to buy the model, so we
still have that. Do we wantto just say that that was a really
cool experience that mothers and daughters don'tever get to do together, and that's
just fun story and we'd be gratefulfor it. Do we want to roll
the dice and say, all right, we have this money, why don't
we just invested in ourselves doing somethingand see if we can make something of
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it. So we threw caution tothe wind and we did, but in
doing that, we also looked ateach other and we're like, so what
do you want to do? Andwe were like, oh, so our
big idea because we were so smartat the time, Guy say facetiously was
we went around to as many businessowners that would let us in the building
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and Google, and we tried tofigure out where businesses were underserved and how
we could help them and if peoplewere wanted to do it all over again,
what would they do. And weput all their thoughts up on a
whiteboard, and back office services kindof came out of that. Now,
we weren't smart enough at the timeto realize that's what we were looking at.
We just kind of meshed together abunch of services and just started going.
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Granted, we did take six monthsto build the business first, we
had people that wanted our support,so we didn't open for another six months
after we came up with the concept, but we didn't know was back office
quote unquote back office related until probablythree or four. I don't think we're
the brightest crans in the box,but we just keep on going. And
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so that's really the story of Sourceand now we are very blessed to be
able to provide these business services toreally the best people in the world,
the entrepreneurs that are doing the hustleand grind every single day. They're trying
to make a living for their families. They're trying to live a dream for
themselves. They're trying to have theAmerican dream. They're I mean, they're
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just the salt of the earth peopleand in the best way. And those
people need help and they need support, and they can't do their They can't
make their dream of reality on theirown. You just can't. You need
people. And running a business,as you know, Jeff, is really
hard to do, and we wantto make that a little easier for people.
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So that's why we do the servicesthat we do, and that's why
we have all of those different servicesunder one roof. A lot of people
thought we were absolutely crazy for havingthem all, but we said no,
Like, there could be a businessleader who needs just hr support, but
there also could be one that wantstalent acquisition and accounting. That's so random,
but you can find it the sameplace with us. So we're really
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there to help businesses succeed, helppeople grow, help them not only create
opportunities for themselves, but create opportunitieswithin our own doors. Right, that's
why we get up out of bedin the morning, and that's that's kind
of our story and how we startedand having the fractional services are nice.
So when businesses are a little smallerthat they can use fractional services. They
don't need every position to be fulltime, and so we can provide better
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pricing on a fractional level. Andas they grow, and we've seen businesses
over the years grow to where it'slike now I meet talent Acquisition, which
usually does full time roles for people. So we've gone everything again under one
roof to help something to grow.So it's been a thrill to see clients
over the years like build up becausewe've been able to support them on the
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journey. And that's I mean,that's just such a thrill. It is.
It's sad losing them as a monthlyclient, but it's great to say,
fly little bird, well you usethem when Brain will help train them
and then they've got their team ofpeople. But at the same time,
that's not always what happens. Sometimesvery more mid market clients will come to
us and they'll say, you know, I've got I've got two and three
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roles that we need to hire forand we say, you really don't.
You can outsource it for less?Did that just today? Yeah? Just
today? So we end up helpingtheir bottom line significantly when they outsource parts
or their whole departments. Even so, we serve the smallest of the small
really once they're ready to delegate.You know, there's good things you got
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to go through. But the largerclients really find value in US two because
we help save the money. Yeahyeah, yeah, I mean it's cheaper
to hire you. What I foundit is cheaper to hire you guys,
and it is to hire an employee. And for me it was, you
know, I'm using all these variousplaces out there to try and you know,
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create my images from marketing, andI'm trying to come up with the
marketing myself. And then I've gotthis other company that provides employees that will
do this. And so the attractionfor me was, like you said,
everything into one roof, and Ihave the capacity to grow with you guys.
So as my needs increase, youguys can do more than just marketing
for me. You can do thebackground, the back office of accounting and
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things like that as well. Andthen of course nonprofits are unique in of
themselves because they're not existing for profit. They're existing more for ministry type purposes.
There So I have certainly found ityou and can second everything that you
said there. Love the story andhow often is it that mom and daughter
get to work together? For us? Now, we're in back to back
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offices and there are days and Idon't get to see every as of online
calls. But you know, overall, we're a company who likes to serve
people, like everybody in organization.In fact, then Marielle and I onboard
everybody who comes into our organization.We're on that first call, so they
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know who we are and it's it'sit's really amusing when we talk with them.
And they're all over the country too. But we say somewhere in your
interview you said I like to helppeople and so, and you'll see their
eyes lighted up and them going yes, And I'm like, that's why we
hired you. You know, obviouslyfor the expertise too, but we hire
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people who like to serve others.And that's the secret sauce for us,
because it's about serving. It's notabout the money. The money everybody needs
you got to be able to payyour billion. It's a service organization and
that we say that on our value. If there's no higher purpose than that
for us. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, and one theme. And
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it's funny because I heard this,and I told the last guest that I
interviewed the same thing. I can'tremember where I heard it. So we'll
just give God the credit, rightbecause he created all things anyway, even
our brains. Therefore, he,you know, tangentially gets credit for anything
that we do or say. I'mbeing funny. I don't know who said
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that, but essentially it was showme someone whose purpose they think, you
know, for their organization simply tomake money, and no matter how much
money they have, I will showyou someone who's miserable. Show me someone
whose purpose is to serve others butsimultaneously happens to make a little money while
serving them. I'll show you someonewho's thriving in life and extremely happy with
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their life. And you know,we can point to millionaires and billionaires across
the landscape out there who got allkinds of money and and you know,
ultimately they end up becoming philanthropists orsomething in order to find their purpose.
Otherwise they kill themselves. And that'ssad to say, but they they're just
so miserable, and you're thinking,how can you be miserable? With that
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much money. And the answer isbecause money is not what you make you
happy. Money may facilitate you makingothers happy, and that will make you
happy because you're doing what God hascaused you to do and as to make
a difference in other people's life.You're making disciples, you're serving others.
Jesus had all the power in theworld, he was God incarnate, but
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the Bible tells us he came toserve. And I think that is you
know, the message I want toget across this this season, and that
goes the eturnity is. Look,you know, no, at no time
in my life has there ever beena greater mission filled, especially within the
United States, for Christians to beservants as opposed to you can still be
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a leader. Here's servant leadership mustseek to serve first. And that's what
I like about Sorts. That's whatI like about your company and Chrissy.
That brings us back to you putyour money where your mouth is, so
to speak. You serve on allkinds of boards. You serve mentioned Youth
for Christ You're on their board.You serve on with the foster care people,
that community, excunity, connections,children, connections, Homes Man,
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I can't get that on why I'mhaving a mental block on that. Connections
Home station that best served foster kidsis where my heart is. Yeah a
very very long time. But ConnectionTones helps you know, as foster kids
age out of foster care, wheredo they go? What do they do?
Who's who? You find? Somany of them going to jail or
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getting pregnant and those kids are intofoster care. Connections Homes really stumps that
in its tracks and is proven itover the years. I think we've been
in business and a family board memberfor eight or nine years now, I
don't remember how many. But weprovide mentoring families for those youth who are
aging out of foster care or whoare homeless. Let's say somebody goes in
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their church and they connect. Theycontact connection zones and says, here's this
youth who has nobody else. Sowhere do they go? How do they
know how to sign a lease?How do they know how to buy a
car? We actually connect them withpeople who are right for them. They
get to pick it. So ifsomebody wants to be a doctor, connect
we try to connect them with peoplein the medical field who can mentor and
shepherd them and the success rate iscrazy. I won't share all of that
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with you, but I tell youwhat. It really lists up young adults
because they're not kids anymore. AndI was a foster fearing for over ten
years, but it actually takes themfor the commitment is forever, like the
mentoring families sign up forever to bein this youth life and the things that
happen in that organization are amazing.We started in Georgia, we have it
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in Georgia, in Texas and justcoming on board in Tennessee. So there's
a lot of foster kids out therewho need somebody. Everybody used to say
and I got into fostering, likeI'm literally becoming a foster parent because I'm
eighteen year old. You know.People would say they should know, and
I'm like, how do they know? That they were never taught? And
so this actually provides that basis forthem to know and have somebody to call
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on horse of board And it's actuallyspeaking on that part about how do they
know if they were never taught.Chrissy has kind of broken that down for
me over the years of like whatwhat does this insurance deductible mean? Like
how do you change a tire?Or what happens with my savings? So
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like if I what bills do Ipay first? You know? So it's
it's a lot of things that youdon't ever really think about, like what
what's an interest rate? You know? Like these things are never taught in
school. They should be. ButI just when she would break that down
for me right in the beginning,I'm like, oh my gosh. Yes,
I always would go to my parentsto be like, how do I
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file these taxes? What's aching?Walk? What that that's somewhere for them
to go because and I don't thinkpeople really realize that because we're all busy
doing our own lives. But someonehad to tell us, yeah, you're
right. In our own organization,we have that same type of desire to
when somebody makes a mistake you weretalking about, that is that we find
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out do they know? Are theyaware? Do we need to retrain?
Do we need to what? It'snot a personal thing, it's a it's
really a hey, let's find outwhere your knowledge base is so then we
can, you know, help youout with that. And it's and so
it's never personally it's business, butit's also human to say, you know
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what, maybe you don't know,let's think of that first. What's the
first thing we always do, doyou know? And I think that that's
just really important. But the organizationwas started by Pam Parish out of Victory
World Church. She had had athought of doing this and when I met
her and she asked me to beon board, I was like, absolutely.
This is why it's been a brillto watch them grow and just grow
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and didn't really now go out toother states, and this is we're going
to continue to grow because there's moreand more views that just meets somebody,
and these people who may have aparent still but their parents are addicts or
they're not there for them, butnow they have true parents. And I
have one of my daughters who isofficially being adopted next month, but she's
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been with me since she was thirteenfourteen years old when she was my first
boster daughter, and I'm really herconnections homes. She has a mother,
and her mother's an addict and doesn'treally connect with her. But I've been
in her life and walking that journeywith her for eleven and twelve year years
and she sees me as her mother. She calls me her mother. She
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tells me her mother on her mother, and so that's and the girl is
a superstar, Like I can talkall day about her. She's a superstar.
And she got it because somebody's breathedinto her, breathes life into her.
She was an f student on thestreet with nobody in her life,
and now all of a sudden,like she's the top salesperson and she sells
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insurance, which is really hard todo, and last month she didn't.
She wasn't the top person, andshe was really upset about the top person.
But she has kind of learned inher husband, she's married now with
two children, has said she remembersevery single lesson you taught her and lessons
it's a really good story. AndI'm finally glad to adopt her officially because
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we're kind of awkward. She's myfirst boster daughter and so for me,
that's where we made the connection ofyouth. For christ, we have two
that you've adopted. This'll be she'llbe my third that I've a wow,
how about that? Yeah, madam, you know the reason I wanted you
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guys on because you have you're you'reexceeding your your call. I guess you
could say. I mean you're you'remaking a difference in so many different places,
not just in the marketplace. Imean you're busy as you can be,
just ringing the business, but youalso take time and carve out time
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to serve on these boards and pourinto other people's lives. And I think
that's a testament to us all anda reminder to us all that you know,
what we do, what we wantto do, we can be busy.
That becomes a kind of an excuseto you know, well, I
don't want to do this. Ican just say I'm busy. And also
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we're where sometimes as a badge ofhonor, you know, I'm busy.
But I think stewarding our schedule isa better way to said. And you
do a great job of stewarting yourschedules. You know, you still make
time to serve in the community whilesimultaneously serving people through your business. And
that's why one of you guys onthat said, it's just incredible there.
But the payoff, I mean,the legacy that you have when we're able
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to pour into people. And Ineed to connect you. You didn't mention
Alabama. I need to connect youwith the Big House Foundation, and that
was started by the daughter of Hayden. That's my youngest and one that was
two days old when we adopted her. She's now sixteen. Her siblings were
adopted by another couple in OPLELA.Like Alabama, their daughters started Big House
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Foundation, which is a resource foradoptive parents. You guys, your people
would be that at Connection Homes wouldbe the next logical step for them to
partner with there because there's all kindsof kids in Alabama. They Hayden had
a brother of aged out of fostercare system because then I won't go into
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the entire story, but it wassome severe trauma, you know, not
just physical and emotional, but beyondthat, just trauma within their home.
Fortunately Hayden was never exposed to that. Unfortunately her brothers and sisters were,
and her oldest brother there's just sometrouble in the home was not able to
the foster parents that were planning theyend up being the adoptive parents for her
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sisters, were not able to adoptthem, and they ended up aging her
foster care. And I don't knowthat Alabama has an agency like Connections Homes
and so be could get used asConnected, So I would I like about
the organization too, is not everybodycan be a foster parent. That's a
lot to ask, it is,and I've seen her do it over over
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the course of ten years and easyit is not. Yeah, And what
I think is really cool about theConnections Home model is you don't have to
You can have a calling, butyou don't have to take on quite as
much as a foster parent. Yeah, you just have to be there.
You just have to be available.They don't have to live with you,
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they don't. You don't have tobecome their like adoptive parents. It's a
lot, but you just need tobe there for their heart and for their
minds. And it's a lot lesschallenging but demanding of a row and the
actual foster parent of a minor.Yeah, but don't underestimate the value of
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simply you know, not everybody canhave there. Let's use a body analogy.
Not everybody's gonna be an entire body, right, but you be a
finger and you can be at handthat there are times where I need just
a finger. There are times anorganizations like that just need that. And
so intanously, you have young childrenof your own foster children have been traumatized,
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and you know, not to puta label on anyone. My mom's
a counselor. I fully understand trauma, but that comes with that, unfortunately
as some baggage. Sometimes when youhave young children of your own, you
really have to think first about thesafety of them. As much as you
love and care for and have aheart part of these foster kids, you
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cannot endanger your own children for thatsake. So this gives you a way
to be involved without having to dothat. Yeah, that's why I had
to stop serving as a foster parent. I had over fifty kids in my
only fifty five fifty six or so. But I adopted the two young ones
and you know, out of fostercare, and I did teens. And
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I'm telling you, the police,the ambulance, the fire department was at
my house every other day. Yeah, there is a lot of trauma there
is. I took taking in girls. I'm telling you, one hundred percent
of them have been raped, youknow, at thirteen, fourteen years old,
fifteen years old? What do youdo with that? How do you
unpack? And so that's why Ihad to stop fostering. But doubling back
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to the connections homes you talk abouta finger. There was one youth I
remember specifically, and all he wantedwas a cupcake with a candle for his
birthday. There isn't everybody I meanto remember it was his birthday and to
call him and to say happy birthday. That was it he could If he
could just have an adult who canremember his birthday every year, that's all
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he wanted. And it goes alittle bit further than that, but at
a minimument has that, you know, you call your own children when it's
their birthday and say happy birthday andhopefully get him a cake or something.
But that's such a small want,and it's or like come to Thanksgiving,
yeah, you know. Or thisis a random call of like, hey,
I've had a bad day at work. I'd like to just vent,
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you know. As the people thatdid not grow up in foster care and
aged out of foster care, theseare things that we don't even hit our
radar because we grow up with communitiesthat these kids send these now adults.
And so it's I think what PAMstarted as absolutely amazing because it is more
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easily accessible for people to get involvedin the foster care system, but I
think it ends up being even moreimpactful. Has some challenges because you're dealing
with people with trauma, but youremember more about your a young adult life
and your adult life than you doabout your childhood sometimes, and those lessons
are sometimes more meaningful because it's thingslike what you have to do every year
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for assurance? How do you acceptjob offer? Or you know what does
this like mean in my car?You know, remember these things, and
it's it's just a really cool Yeah, you're right. I mean, we
take those soft skills and we callthem solve skills, which they're I mean,
sometimes they're hard skills too, thatlife skills. Yeah, life skills.
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That's right, we need to takethat. We take that for granted
a lot of times. My own'sthe son that adopted Blaine, who's nineteen
now at college. I remember whenhe first came to live with us.
He walked in the door, andat the time we were living in Auburn,
Alabama. I was planting a churchdown there, and we had the
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really high ceilings. I have sincelearned that really high ceilings also mean really
high electric bills, so I don'thave high ceilings anymore. But he walked
in. We had those high seatingsand he's like, wow, a castle
and he all he had was aMickey Mouse jacket and a Walmart bag and
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a clothes on his back. Butthe one thing that he was fascinated with,
and it's took us years to figureout what was going on, but
every time somebody would come into thehouse, he'd want to know, are
you going to take your shoes off? That was the first question he asked
when someone would come in to ourhouse. Are you going to take your
shoes off? We're like, well, buddy, why does that matter if
they take their shoes off? Youknow? And after they leave, he'd
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be like, who is that ladythat had the shoes on with the yellow
stripe and the purple. We're like, I wasn't watching your shoes, buddy,
I'm not sure who you're talking about. And to this day I told
him, joking with us, hisson, I said, the expense for
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your college is going up because thecollege the university contacted us and said,
you need a separate room for yourshoes. He's fascinating with shoes. To
this day, we finally figured outthat shoes represent for him. Who he
could attach to. Who are youpermanent in my life? Are you going
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to stick around? If you takeyour shoes off, I can attach to
you because you're going to be apermanent part of my life. If you
don't take your shoes off, Iknow I can't trust you, I can't
attach to you. But so Ineed to know are you going to take
your shoes off? So I knowhow to act and who to love people.
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And you think about, well,you need parents on the journey,
But you know in doubling back toChrist, you mean Christ on the journey.
I will tell you that. Andyou know this that Gabrielle and I
we always say our third partner isChrist. You know. We pray when
you know, for blanks, andwe pray for when we need something,
just like we would do with ourown lives. But that's why you mentioned
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Youth for Christ. That's why that'sthe other organization that I serve and when
i'm a board member, I'm anactive board member. They are going out
into the schools. I didn't evenknow it was possible, but they are
going out into the schools. Asyou know, you're wipe being a teacher,
and I don't know like them.They are teaching Christ to middle school
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and high schoolers enter Atlanta and it'slike, that's that's who you need for
the journey. You need parents andyou need Christ and you know, for
the journey. And it's getting people, it's getting them to know Christ.
And our executive director, Mike mcaulliff, he was a team. He came
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to Youth for Christ and actually toBaryl Beach where I was from too.
I've lived there, and he camejust to play basketball. And now he's
the executive director of Metro Atlanta Youthfor Christ and we're trying to get into
all the different schools. And inmy life, when I've met people have
had problems with their kids, Itell them, I go, I don't
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know how to do this, butget them to church. You're either following
their friends. They're either following theirfriends or they're following God. And that's
where you want to put them onthat path. And so that's where it's
worthwhile because that's modern day apostles.That's why this is modern day apostles.
Yeah, discipleship, you need toyou know, that's how you do it.
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The children. Yeah, hopefully they'llteach their children that's exactly right.
Yeah. In fact, I meanthat is that is the topic of the
book that I'm writing now, isworking on chapter six today, the final
chapter. I hope this has beena labor of love. But it's mentor
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me, you know. And whatyou're talking about, what we've talked about,
not just I mean you get inthe workforce, you need mentors because
I'm telling I don't know what they'reI don't know what colleges are teaching graduates
today, but they're not teaching themthe skills they need to run a business
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that you have to train that andin the workplace today. My son his
degree, he's been saying since heis in ninth grade or tenth grade,
he wanted to be an entrepreneur.That's great, son, but you you
know, entrepreneur just means you ownyour own business. What's your own business?
You got to think about what you'regoing to do, you know,
And he's I just warm on myown business. Well again, that's great.
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So you got to learn some skills. Look good for you. In
other words, what you're saying,you want wake up at six am.
You will be in the office atsix thirty am, and you will get
home at midnight and you want todo that all over again the next day.
That's what you're saying you want todo. Now, what is that
you love so much that you wantto do that for that long, every
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day for the next forty years whileyou build that business, and then you
pass that along to your kids,you know. But they are one of
the things I love about. Hisdegree with entrepreneurship is a business degree,
but they give them like he's inNashville, so they get to work on
the super Bowl ads when the SuperBowl was in Nashville, they got to
work on the ad agency with designthat. Yeah, I mean, that's
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real world experience, right. Sothey graduate and it's not just that,
I mean, it's music industry there. So they get to serve. They
get to work in the music industryalongside some of these record label executives and
people like that, learning the insand outs of the music industry if you
want to be a music entrepreneur.So they get kind of a taste of
everything. But they're learning hard skillsand soft skills of leadership and tenacity and
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things like that. But they're gottinghard skills that they can take into the
workforce with them, and so weneed those mentors at all levels. We
need those into workfloors, we needthose in the and they need to be
godly leaders as well. And you'retalking and we've got to go here.
I know you guys have a lotgoing on. But the last funny story
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here we're talking about foster care.One of my favorite conversations when we were
doing foster care was the lady fromthe Department of Human Resources called us up
and said, hey, mister Skinner, Reverend Skinner, we have this is
after we'd already adopted our two kids, we have another young lady that needs
at least temporary home, you know, and said, we're trying to find
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somebody to adopt her. We've gotseveral feelers out from these home members,
but we need somebody to keep herin the meantime. Okay, well that's
fine, And she was, youknow, she told the age and all
that. I don't want to gettoo specific, but they called up and
said, well, the only thingis we need to know if you want
her religion. And I said,well, I said, you know,
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I'm a pastor Christian. I said, I'm not gonna like tire down and
do an exorcism or anything like that. But certainly, you know, we'll
be going to church every Sunday.It's gonna be hard to grow up in
my home and not hear the wordJesus Christ, and you know, pray
and read your Bible and you knowthe things that we do in Christianity that
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shape us. It's gonna be hardto hide that from this young lady.
And I said, so, it'swhat religion is she and I said,
well, she's she's wicking. Isaid, oh, I said, okay,
Well, I said, no,I'm probably not gonna honor that.
Well, we're not sure you cantake her then, and okay, yeah,
so she said, well, I'llget with my boss. So,
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you know, a couple of dayslater she called that. Well, I
talked to my boss and they said, it's okay if you don't honor her
religion. I said, okay,But but I said, now, when
I say I'm not gonna honor it, we're not gonna, you know,
kill chickens in my front yard either, right, I said, we're not
going to bark at the moon.We're not going to do these things.
I'm not sure my sho would allowme to have chickens in my front yard
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anyway. So she's like, okay, mister Skinner, and we understand what
you're saying. But anyway, weended up taking that young lady in and
and then one year she one dayshe went to school and and this is
back when swine flu is going around, and so that was before COVID even
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happened. But this was like thepandemic that we thought might have happened before,
and it never turned into anything.By the time the schools were kind
of panking, this young lady wentto school and told all of her teachers
that she had been exposed to swineflu. Fortunately, my wife worked next
door to school. Next door theyknew her. So they called her and
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said, hey, this girl hassaid she is exposed to swine flu.
We've got her in quarantine in frontoffice. She need to come get her.
My wife was like, no,she has not been exposed to swine
flue. You know. So andso just you know, had a cold,
but there was not swine flu.And they go through that. Those
are the do do that you facein foster care. But but there's a
lot of humor involved. If youcan, you know, look back as
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well. Sourced COVID. Jeff,I had because I had teens. And
you know, I'm sitting in thefront row in church with we're Catholic with
two young I guess there are teenswho had no faith and then one must
of them. And she came tochurch and she's got in church. You
know, she didn't know, butshe was just curious and what's all about?
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And you never know what they're goingto get. And it's really not
ours to do, it's God's todo, right, Yeah, and let
God work? Yeah, Yeah,there you go. Look, I'll say
Christianity has to be caught before it'staught. And you know, and that
goes back to that being a faithfulwitness. And look, none of us
are perfect. I don't mean toyou know what I tell people More than
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anything, they want you to liveyour life authentically. H My granddaddy,
he had third grade education. Hetried to teach me to hammer nails and
cutboards and and things like that.I still don't know how. I mean,
he'd complain, could you know,hold the hammer too tight? It
just rear back, hit son,and I'd rear back and miss. But
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what I did catch? Give whatI did catch? Was his faith,
was his tenacity and his love forthe Lord. He didn't teach me to
kneel down every evening and pray thelike it all depended upon him, you
know, and work like it alldepends upon him. He'd get up at
five. He didn't teach me towake up at five am and go to
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work and then come home in tenfour gardens and then go and visit his
parishioners in their homes and then wakeback up and then come in and eat
dinner and pray till time to goto bed, and then start all over
again the next day. He didn'tteach me that, but I did catch
that. So that's what you're talkingabout there. That's the more important thing
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to catch. Hey, ladies,how to follow the Lord that the hammer
and they'll properly any day. Yeah, there you go, there you go.
It is so good having y'all andthank you for the work that you're
doing for me and or serving theLord. Especially. Sourced is the name
of their company. Get sourced attheir website. Go there, check them
out. If you have a business, I promise you it's some of the
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best money you'll invest as to youknow, because you're not just hiring,
you know, one person, you'rehiring an entire team. And you know,
there are times that I email themand meet with them and just brainstorm
with them, just trying to fleshthings out. And it's just good to
have sounding work in time to time, you know. And that's what they
do. They are there for you. So I encourage you to call these
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ladies, these Christian ladies, becauseI promise you they love the Lord and
they will serve you. It's greathaving y'all. Thank you, Jeff,
thank you so much. You canbe a co creator with God by helping
to echo our voices, share ourepisodes, and friends and family and on
your own social media accounts give uspositive five star reviews. The more positive
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reviews we have, the more visibilitywe have, and the more voices that
are echoed through eternity. We ofteninvite guests who are serving faithfully year after
year, often in anonymity, andtheir respective roles in ministries. God sees
them and reality is as for agood kingdom leaders, that's enough. We
do not do what we do forthe accolades of humanity. We do it
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because we're called by God. ButI believe that God uses people like you
and I to continue those reverberations andecho them throughout eternity. You can partner
with God by liking and subscribing andwriting a quick positive, five star review
and again sharing those voices with friendsand family and on your own social media
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accounts. Those reviews will eventually leadto other guests who have larger platforms that
have more listeners, who will thenin turn listen to the show, and
again it further echoes those voices,which is the whole version of the echoes
through Attorney podcast here is continue echoingthose voices that God is echoing through Attorney. There
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