November 17, 2025 • 55 mins
You carry a God-given message. In this episode, Dr. Jeffrey D. Skinner sits down with Rigel and Jenna Drake-Garcia, founders of I Have a Message, to show you how to shape that message with clarity and share it with confidence.
Rigel and Jenna explain how they help Christians turn their stories into books, talks, and ministries that serve others. They speak honestly about self-doubt, the tension between excellence and authenticity, and the myths that hold people back from writing or speaking. They also point you to the deeper truth that your identity is rooted in Christ, not performance.
If you’ve ever wondered how to start writing, how to share your story, or how to build a ministry that honors the Lord, this episode gives you simple next steps and real encouragement for your journey.
Takeaways• God can use your unique story to reach someone who needs hope.• Partnership strengthens ministry and keeps you grounded.• Self-doubt often holds people back more than lack of skill.• Authentic communication still calls for clarity and excellence.• Writing a book can settle your calling and sharpen your voice.• Marketing is part of faithful stewardship when done with integrity.• Your identity in Christ keeps you steady as you serve.
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/echoes-through-eternity-with-dr-jeffery-skinner--5523198/support.
Echoes Through Eternity Guiding church planters and pastors to plant seeds of prayer, holiness, and courage that outlast a lifetime. contact drjefferydskinner@protonmail.com
Rigel and Jenna explain how they help Christians turn their stories into books, talks, and ministries that serve others. They speak honestly about self-doubt, the tension between excellence and authenticity, and the myths that hold people back from writing or speaking. They also point you to the deeper truth that your identity is rooted in Christ, not performance.
If you’ve ever wondered how to start writing, how to share your story, or how to build a ministry that honors the Lord, this episode gives you simple next steps and real encouragement for your journey.
Takeaways• God can use your unique story to reach someone who needs hope.• Partnership strengthens ministry and keeps you grounded.• Self-doubt often holds people back more than lack of skill.• Authentic communication still calls for clarity and excellence.• Writing a book can settle your calling and sharpen your voice.• Marketing is part of faithful stewardship when done with integrity.• Your identity in Christ keeps you steady as you serve.
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/echoes-through-eternity-with-dr-jeffery-skinner--5523198/support.
Echoes Through Eternity Guiding church planters and pastors to plant seeds of prayer, holiness, and courage that outlast a lifetime. contact drjefferydskinner@protonmail.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What would you say is the echo you want your
life and message to leave.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Behind for me?
Speaker 3 (00:06):
For me, it's definitely that the God given message you
have inside that sea that He has given you is
the greatest message that you can have and you can
tell others in your entire life.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
So that's your greatest asset.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
Amen. Yeah, that people would be able to discover that
message or that God given gift and that they would
keep pouring it out and realize that, hey, this has
eternal impact. And something kind of cool is that we're
actually starting to serve people who are in private schools
through our program. There's different programs where we're able to
(00:40):
I think we're calling it like the Seed Launchers program,
but we want to start impacting people even in high
school and show them that hey, you've got a God
given gift and so to reach the next generation. And
I mean we all can have an echo. We all
whether it's through a book or are God given talent
to serve someone whatever that is. Like I pray if
(01:04):
you are listening to this podcast that you would discover
how God has called you to serve other people and
just start where you're at. If you don't yet have it,
just start serving and God will reveal that to you
and you will make an echo through eternity.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Jesus Amen, what is your.
Speaker 6 (01:23):
Life echoing through eternity? Welcome to Echoes through Eternity with
doctor Jeffrey Skinner. Our mission is to inspire, engage and
encourage leaders from across the globe to plant missional churches
and be servant leaders. So join us and hear the
stories of servant leaders reverberating lives as God echoes them
(01:43):
through Eternity. Brought to you by Missional Church Planting and
Leadership Development and Dynamic Church Planning International.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Welcome in Echoes to Eternity. I am your host, Doctor
Jeffrey D. Skinner. Every moment, every story holds in there
go of God for us. What is He saying in
yours today?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Well, today I am joined by a couple of good
friends of mine. They have a ministry called I Have
a Message and it is exactly how it sounds. They
help people, pastors, authors, just people that are creative and
have a burning desire to share their message with the world,
(02:24):
and they help them to do that. And they have
an entire system that they do. They have people that
are that are contributing to their ministry to help them
with scholarships.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
But we're going to dive in today and just talk
about their ministry. They've been doing this for several years.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Now and I have just watched them over and over
again just grow and just serve the Lord in every
way possible of their talents there. I was telling their husband,
Genna's husband Rogue earlier today, if I had a thumbdel
of his time, I've been a billionaire. He is just
a super talented guy. And they're about just great love
(03:00):
the people, and I just want you to know that
I'm excited about this interview today. But again, their mess
their ministry is I have a message, and uh, we're
going to get into that now. Riguel and Jenna, welcome
in for you today.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
How are you very well?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I am super crazy day, but but as hey, if
you're not busy, you get in trouble, right to say,
I don't know the Devil's play tools, so I'm definitely
nobody play tool today.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
So maybe you're a fellow A night now, that's like
good night.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
So let me let me just start out with the
let you guys can't tell your story. You know, the
story about your call. How did God first air your
hearts for for ministry?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Do you okay?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
So I mean I'll get started here. You know, that's
a that's a great question. How do we get started?
I'm gonna I'm gonna go back real quick. And both
of us have our unique paths of how we came
to know God. What I know For me, the God
I know is the God of salvation, and he took
me from having nothing, I mean absolutely nothing to completely
(04:10):
transforming my situation to having a great job back in
two thousand and two with a private company. And then
there began this amazing experience of this God that saves
and can take you from nothing to something. And I
didn't have a family, gave me a great family, didn't
have children, gave me great children, didn't have a ministry
or anything like that, and He has given it to us.
(04:32):
And so God is so faithful and he had deposited
in us this desire to go to Bible College to
pursue more because of his goodness. And we met Jenna
and I in twenty ten in Houston, Texas Lake With
Church and we're serving there in different ministries, one of
them being homeless ministries out there under the.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Bridges in Houston, Texas.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
We decided, you know, we felt led marry and then
after marriage we said, hey, you know what, let's answer
this call that we have in there. She shared it
as well of having a call to go to Bible College,
and he led us by peace ended up going to
Bible College back in twenty and eleven. We married ten
twenty eleven, and they're in Bible College. In those years,
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God gave us a vision, you know, and that's how
really what you see now was birth. It was that
vision to just God told us help those ministers that
are coming out of Bible College and help them get
that message out of them in an outline form into
a clear format for them to publish their books and
then help them launch out. And that's where it all began,
(05:44):
right big amen.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Yeah, I think that one of the most important things
that Raguel and I have learned, you know, just like
he had mentioned, we went to Bible College and just
received the truth of the Word of God and just
understand understood how God is so good. And it was
like both of us received a vision of these like
shooting stars coming out of the college and we really
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just saw how a great portion of the value that
any of us can even just claim is really anything
only that God has put into us. You know, he
formed us, he loved us, He loves all of us
so much, and we all have such a unique calling
on our lives. And so Reguel and I we just
believe that that value that's been deposited inside of every
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single one of us, it's more than monetary things. It's spiritual.
It's the things that we can give. And so really
at that point was where God really birthed that call
to minister and to serve ministers, to serve authors, ministers
and speakers.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Good.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
So, what has serving theether as a couple taught you
about faith and partnership?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Amen? I think for me it is really I saw
a really neat example from a gentleman or a leader
that I know, and his name is David Briggs, and
he was just talking about how you know, when you're
in relationship with people, you start to see that when
you can kind of bend and weave with the other person,
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and really when they go this way, you go with
them when they go that way. And I really see
that with Raguel and I that as I started to
really see him and see his gifts, his talents, his anointings,
his preferences that you kind of just realize, Okay, I'm
serving him. We're serving together, and we need to do
this together. And so I think that that's been a
(07:29):
big learning curve for me, and I think that the
more together that we are, the greater impact that we
can have because we realize, wow, you know, we're we're
better together as one and we serve together, and we
got to learn each others the way that we work.
And then when we do that, wow, you know what
a blessing we have. We definitely had a good lesson
(07:50):
in that, you know, over the years, we've really had
to learn to do that and it's been a blessing.
So we're still doing that.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Still learning.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, working with ministry together, especially his husband and wife.
I mean, it's it's incredibly rewarding. One of those things
that Lisa and I my wife have had learned the
boundary side of things, because you do live together and
you know you uh, my wife used to tell everybody
that she was sleeping with the pastor Yeah, so you
(08:20):
gotta learn to set those boundaries there, you know, And
so you can't You've got to have specific office times,
otherwise you're just always working. And so how do you
guys navigate that in your own relationship? I know you
said you learned kind of as the other one's you know,
kneeling that the other one leans into that, and you
(08:40):
kind of time of dance as well. Almost you described
it there. But in those times where you're out of sync?
How do you handle it? You know?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
You know, I'd like to say something too, because it
has been such a such an experience, and I would
have to say it goes back to to really relying
on God, you know, in your relationship there with God,
because you know it was challenging for me.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I think I think for it as just as anyone.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
You know, when you when you begin your marriage and
you begin to learn about the other person and how
you know it might be very different than what what
you do and the way that you do things. And
through your relationship with God, you start learning that we're
here to serve and to sacrifice and to become that
living sacrifice. And as time goes on, you start realizing that, wow,
(09:28):
this is a dream team. It really is that saying
that dream work makes the or the teamwork makes the
dream work it truly is like I could not do
any of this if it wasn't for gen Like really,
I couldn't even you know. I mean, she has so
many gifts and talent and abilities that are that I
don't I.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Just don't, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
And I don't even know what I would be doing
without without my better half. She is the sunshine of
the house. And I'm more like the detailed person, you know,
they get it done and stuff. But she has such
a great you know, just relationship building and communication and
those type of things, and so those are all way needed.
And I just thank God for having I don't want
to cry and any of these, but but I just
(10:07):
thank God for bringing me.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
It's such a such a greater, a.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Great treasure, My best treasure besides Jesus Christ has been
my wife. And and then in the moment at least
expected it that I that I would that I would
meet somebody like her, God brought her to me.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
And what a blessing.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
That's awesome. Yeah, that's good, that's very good.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
The h and you guys do compliment each other, well,
I mean your your gifts and graces and and uh
and they're obvious both of you you know, I was
joking and begang and said, you know, we're going a
lot of talent. But Jennah has a lot of talent
as well, and those communications is one of them. She's very,
very gifted communicator, and not just in that way, but
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gifted them anyways, just as I've watched you guys, and
for disclosure, I have never met either one of you
two in person, even though y'all try to get us
to move to Colorado when we were looking at movies.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Did invite you, Yes, we did.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
I could not.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I mean, I'm barely surviving winters in Nashville or fall
in Nashville. I would just I would crawl into a
cave and just not come out until springtime if I.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Were living in Colorado.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
But uh, you know, I'm glad that God has gifted
you to with an environmental temperament that can handle such
a you will climate.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I didn't know this place existed, but God let us
over here.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
So I've got no friend that lives out there, and
he keeps trying to taught me into coming out there
as well.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
No avenue, I'm not coming. I'm just see so once there.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
I mean, you know, I know you guys have been
doing this ministry for a while, but I know you
recently made that transition to where it's more of a
you know, your new ministry, but it's more for profit
and he's opened the nonprofit. Was it two years ago
now that you opened the nonprofit with I have a message?
What was there defining yes moment where you guys just said,
(12:04):
you know, we gotta stop hesitating. Here we go, we
gotta stop playing foot steats. We gotta either jump in,
you know, or or let it go. But we got
to do one or the other. What was that moment
for you guys or was there a moment for you guys?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Amen?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Did you want to see something move.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
On that one?
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Well?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, I mean there's there definitely has been those moments.
I think it was a struggle initially, you know, during
the Bible college years, we received that vision. We began
helping and we thought, okay, well, eventually, I guess we graduate,
we move on and that'll go away. And we just
discovered that it just never left us, like we could
not get rid of it, and.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Wherever we would go, we would always.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Come across these new ministers that needed help and that
we could assist with. And initially we thought, okay, well,
if we want to do this, we're going to have
to use it as a maybe as a business, and
then we realized that it's not a business. It's it's
really not it. I mean a lot of it was
more of a labor of love and helping them. We
had a heart for these ministers and we were give
to them and helping a lot of them starting out.
(13:05):
Really you know, they're they're walking by faith and they
don't have necessarily a resource resources to pay for people's time,
you know, And so I think we realized, yeah, yeah,
well some do for sure. And then we realized eventually,
I think, you know, in our own minds, eventually we realized, okay,
this is our ministry. You know, it became real I
(13:28):
think it it really became pointed during COVID, during the
during those years, because there were so many messages that
were negative out in the media stream that we thought, okay,
where are all our ministers, you know, where where's the
voices of the ministers out there? And we need to
hear these positive messages, these hope giving messages and faith
filled messages, and so it became a more acute at
(13:51):
that moment that you know, it's bigger than us. We
can't sustain it. So this isn't this is the ministry
that God has given us. And so we then found it.
I have a message foundation there as a five O
one C three and you know, so that we're able
to receive you know, so that through the messages and
through the stories, others can support it and it just
(14:12):
works out much better.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
So one of the I think that the biggest things
that I think there was probably like two big points
of realization for Reguel and I And I remember during
twenty nineteen, around the time of COVID, you know, we
would be at the drawing board, the marker board, figuring
out what's our strategy, how are we going to launch this?
And I remember one day that Reguel really saw this
(14:38):
and I bet a lot of you viewers out there
are are are maybe in this point, but he realized
it's kind of there's kind of like this like tightrope,
and there is a there's a point where you are
where you are and you know, you could be pursuing
what seems good, what the world says is good. Maybe
it's business or finances or what you think is the
(14:59):
very best. But then there is a tug and there's
God and he's like, there's a calling. And it's like
the more you dig into your relationship with God and
you see how he's called you to serve people in
an area, and you say, wow, Lord, that's scary. I
don't know where that provision is. And we all know
(15:19):
in ministry it is through giving and so and it
is through serving, and it is through pursuing what He's
called us to do. And sometimes we can't see every
single step to that provision or if that it's going
to succeed. And so I just remember one day, Raguel,
he was just like, I get it. I get it.
When we're pursuing what God has called us to do,
we're in the very best place. But it's the world
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and it's the cares of this world that try to
pull us away. And so you know, it's in those
moments where we realize, oh, wow, you know God has
called me to something here. He's called me to a ministry,
He's called me to serve, and it's a big step
of faith. And even for us personally, I would even
say this year that we really went all in, and
(16:03):
I would say a more for Reguel, so he's been
full time in our ministry. Now we both serve in
our ministry. But that in itself was a big step
of faith. And when he made that step of faith
our ministry, I mean it tripled, like in terms of
the income, the people that we were able to serve.
We've got you know, other coaches, people who are more
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resources and people, and it really it has come by
the grace of God. And so you know, I just
want to encourage those of you who are out there
that you know, when you feel that calling, you know,
keep being faithful, keep making those steps, because God is
the one that's faithful, you know. Reguel and I we
were talking about how the Parable of the Sower. It
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says that the sower sows the seed. Us as ministers,
we sow the seed and we know not how it increases,
but God is the one who brings the increase. And
I even today I had two people I talked to
and on a Discovery call and I wasn't even anticipating
that it would be for them to enroll in the program,
and both of them did and I didn't. I didn't
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seek that out. They came to me and I was like, Wow,
you Lord are increasing this and so yeah, that's kind
of a little bit of our yeah answer.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
And Briguel, I love how you said that the call
just wouldn't go away.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
And that's one of the things.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
In fact, right before we requited this, I was to
coach and call with a team of of church planters.
Actually it was a time when I'm coaching as a
planter and as it may be four or five planters,
but this particular situation was a planter and then they
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had the entire core team with them, and one of
the questions I asked them was, how do you discern
false call? In other words, how do you know you
weren't this plant called that you're really called planting church
and this is not just ambition. And their answer was,
because it just won't go away. That call just it's
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not something you can escape. It's not something you put down.
When you go to sleep at night, you're thinking about it.
When you wake up in the morning, you're thinking about it.
That's how you know you know God has called you there.
Now they're you know, in our denomination, there is a
process that you know absolutely God has called. But the
Church of Firms and so there you have to certainly
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have the gifts and the graces to do so, but
absolutely God equipped as he calls. And so I love
that you talked about how the colleges wouldn't go away
for you.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
That is we uh yeah, we I mean I think
we even wanted to, Like we were trying to push
it away and it's like, oh, please just go away,
you know, like we're done, like we need to focus
on something else.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
And yeah, you're trying to keep underwater just just popping
back up.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Right, yeah. Yeah. So so that's you know, that definitely
helped us.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
And you know, having that desire inside to pursue more
of God, and you know, I think has has helped us.
That's one of my prayers every one of my birthdays
every year is that God could has helped me to
always have that grazee, just have a hunger for you,
to seek you because there's so many things, you know,
out there in the world, and I think having that
as well helps us to be able to hear Him
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
So good, so good, And so yeah, we've talked about
kind of the call and your personal and how you
guys work together. I want to move in now, let's
talk about how what is your program about, how do
you actually help someone who.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Has a message.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Let's say, and for disclosure, you guys did help me
write a book and that book became an international bestseller.
So something you're doing is right, is right, and and
so I just know the process that you brought me
through has helped me so much.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Talk about that a little bit.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
How do you, guys, and and maybe first we'll talk
about what you do, and then I want to I
want to back up and LD to talk about how
you came up with that system. You know, hell, what
what process it was for you determining what that message was.
So let's begin with talk about what you do to
help people who has a god given message to get
that message out there.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
I mean, yeah, So one of the first things that
we do is we help draw out what we call
the god given message or the marketable message, you can
call it either way. And basically what it is is
it's the message of how you serve others. And so
that message, in essence is it naturally comes out of
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the person. I was talking with someone today and she
had such confidence just seeing that message just come out
of her, and I could tell that's how she wants
to serve others. It's a before and after reflection of
the transformation, a major transformation of what God did in
her life. And so a lot of the people that
we serve, they are literally now in a place where
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now they're called to minister what God did in their life.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Like just like you, Jeff.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
It's like, hey, the next generation is reachable, and you
have a passion for that and an anointing to lead
and to sew and to grow that spiritual formation into
the next generation. So it's so neat how that message
once we draw that out that it becomes really it's
kind of like the dough for every product that you
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can make or serve people with. So once people really see, wow,
this is a message that God has called me to
serve others with, they really start to see the value
of what they can contribute in this world. So it's
not just any book, it's the way that you serve people.
And so, you know, just in terms of the method
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or the program, we help people come out with a
value ladder. I like to show them, hey, you can
sew this. It's a book. It can be a Bible
study or a guided book, guided video study, that people
can watch. They can you know, be blessed. You can
sew that for free and then people purchase your book.
But it's really about discipleship and then helping people understand. Okay,
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I am called to do this, so you're called to
do it. But you're also called uniquely in a certain
way to share your God given message. So, for example,
doctor Jeff Skinner has Echoes through Eternity podcast. That is
something that is a way that he sows his God
given message. And so we like to help people know, like,
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what is the lifestyle of sharing your message that it
brings you joy. Some people are like, I would never
get in front of a camera, but I would write
a blog post, I would make a Bible study product.
Some people are like, I don't want to go to
a church and do a speaking engagement. Some are like,
I'd rather just do an interview. So we like to
draw that out of them and help them create that
(22:48):
lifestyle of sharing their message. But BIB, did you do
you have anything kind of stirring in you it as
it relates to what I was sharing.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Yeah, well, I mean I think that's so right. You know,
Jenna has over the years, I think God has given
her DeGrace to be able to refine this process, and
so that stage she was talking about is the right stage,
and it's a drawing out, So it really helps the
author minister to clarify their message. A lot of times
ministers might have an idea but it's not super clear,
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and so the process of working with someone as inside
of the program then helps them draw that out and
clarify it. And then there's the other stages that we
can also talk about, which is the publishing phase of it,
so they get to learn a lot about Amazon publishing
and self publishing and the benefits that that does versus
doing it through an actual publishing house. And then from
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there the whole launch process that we call which is
a marketing phase. And so we want to give them
the strongest foundation so that they can continue to repeat
that process themselves and grow, you know. And we've seen
that firsthand through the different ministry that we've served over
the years, large large ministers, worldwide ministries, and they, I mean,
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this is one of the key things that they do,
and so we want to make sure that all of
our ministers have that strong foundation.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Good, So what do you do with people feel out
their story isn't big enough to matter?
Speaker 5 (24:17):
What do you say to them that they don't think
that they're a story is big enough to matter.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Maybe they don't have confidence enough in their story to think,
well's it's two insignificant. Yeah, I've got a message, but
nobody's there really listen, what do you what do you
tell those people?
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Well?
Speaker 4 (24:31):
I love I love those people because they're in our program.
And really, what what I love is that that that
is really the essence of our program is that that
person is thinking, oh, I'm just like everyone else, and
I'm like, no, you're not. You're very unique and so someone.
So it's kind of a little bit along the lines.
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You know, when we work with someone, we really draw
that message out from scratch. So then they think, like,
you know, I have a healing book I want to
share about healing. And then they think, well, my message
it's probably super similar to other people's messages. And that's
the part where we really shine is where we're able
to say, well, tell me about where were you before
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God gave you this revelation? What happened to you? How
do you want to help people? How do you want
their lives impacted? And suddenly their message gets big, it
gets unique, and they say, oh my gosh, I can
help people through my God given message. So it's no
longer about them. It's really about other people and how
they can help people. And so we help open their
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eyes to that that, hey, this is actually not about you.
It's about other people and what God deposited in you,
and it's meant to be serving others. So sometimes they
need that drawing out process to understand and discover that,
and then they get great confidence because they see, Wow,
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this is the work of God and I'm called. I'm
called to serve administer others with it.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
I go to answer that. I you know that I
love what Mark four thirty one and thirty two says.
It's the parable of the mustard seed. And I whenever
someone comes across me and I get to sense that
they have a message, I just tell them about that
parable because that little seed that they have inside, you know,
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maybe they're beginning right and so they're probably struggling.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
They might not have a clear direction, but that parable
says that it could be.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
A tiny, tiny thing that you have inside, but you
know what, it's so valuable. I tell them that that
is the greatest asset that you can ever have. If
you have something that God is a positive you, something
that God did in your life, you have the best asset.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
You don't need. You know, you don't need your real estate.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
You don't need cryptocurrency out there. You have the word
of God inside of there. And according to the Word
of God, it says that it ends up growing as
long as you tend it right our own and become
the largest of the plants. And so that I tell
them it has the capacity. Your message out there, if
anybody is listening out there, your message has the capacity
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to produce enough for you, for your family, and for
many others. It says that even birds come and make
their nests under so they find shelter inside of that
message that you have. And so it's such a powerful thing,
but God has given us. I tell them real estate
will eventually fail you at some point in time, because
because it's not greater than the Word of God. Cryptocurrency
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will eventually fail you because it's not greater than the
Word of God. The Word of God in you is greater.
It says that everything will pass away, but my words
will remain. And so I encourage them with that right there,
and I that became a revelation in my life to
even just go after what we're doing and to serve
others with that. And that is the message I share
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with everyone. And I truly believe that I've had experiences
where other things that I've placed my trust in have
failed me, but the Word of God is still here.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
Amen. Don't you assure you're not a preacher?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
No, I app I preach that for sure. Yeah, I
appreach that.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
The Master's seasons. I've heard that was that's very good.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
So how do you how do you? I know my
daughter is a songwriter. It's only eighteen years old, so
she has all the all the all the confidence of
an eighteen year old, all the ride over whatever you
want to call it there. But so so there's a
songwriter here in Nashville who has offered to mentor her,
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and my daughter's response was, well, I don't want her
to stifle my creativity.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Okay, she's eighteen.
Speaker 7 (28:49):
Yeah, but you know, I hear that a lot from
people when they start working with with writing coaches and
things like that.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Right, Well, you know, I don't want this has become
so polished. I just want the spirit to flow and uh,
and I heard among church planters, you know, I don't
want to plan, we just want to be. We just
want to let the spirit flow. We're just gonna follow
the spirit of God. Well, Moses followed the spirit of
God and he wanted the desert.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
For forty years.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, you tell me you want to plan, or you
will be Moses, you know, because Moses didn't win. He
just didn't go and he went. But anyway, I guess
his plans to follow God where he led. But we
don't have a pillar of fire by night or we
do have a cloud by us smoke by days.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
I have sent those two. I encourage people to have
a plans.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
So yeah, the question is how do you help people
balance excellence and communication while simultaneously maintaining that authenticity and spirit.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Yes, I love love that question. So that I just
think of how we started, you know, just in in
terms of the book, drying out the God given message
and helping people organize it. So the way really that
the Message Launch program started, we actually helped a worship
leader and she was wanting speaking engagements, ministry engagements, and
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so Reguel was like, she should just publish a book
that's going to help her and it did. You know,
she got those engagements and everything. But as we started
serving more clients, you know, we really start in the journey.
In the publishing journey, you have the editing phase, and
so there's different levels of editors that people need for
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their books. So if you know, if someone is just
you know, going by the spirit, they're writing all of
their thoughts and then it's down in a book, that
person is going to be needing a more expensive editor.
So their content development is much needed and they're going
to need a lot more refinement. And so you know,
really what it comes down to is how you want
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to serve others in receiving your God given message. So
there was a point where I really realized that while
I can really serve a lot of these ministers better
if people really understand the message of how they serve
others going into the book and helping them organize their
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content at the get go before they even write their book.
Because the way that the thoughts are kind of presented,
it just felt like, Okay, they're really kind of out
of order, and if we would have put a little
bit more thought into it and had an order what
we call this in the program. Is that the that
the message before they kind of enter in the program.
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It's kind of author focused and we like to help
them get it to be reader focused. So the way
that we do that is we say, Okay, how are
we going to help people in this book, and what
are the keys that you that you need to share
with them in order to help them? What is the
current state? What is the transmation state. So you guys
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are kind of getting a little bit of a taste
of the program just from my answer, But those are
the guardrails for your book. What's the current state that
they're in. It's often a reflection of where you were
before you got this revelation that you want to share.
What's the after state? You know, like Reriguel shared, that
could be a book meaning before I put my trust
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in real estate, in all of these different things, but
they can fail me. But guess what, the Word of
God never fails me. So if he can bring them
from trusting into the world to you know, I'm going
to go for God, or have my faith in the
Word of God and for my life and become a minister,
or do what God has called me to do, then
that's that before and after state of that book, So
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you know, the beginning and the end of the book.
A lot of people they'll write a book and they're like, man,
this book will never end. I can't even finish it. Well,
it's because there's no structure. You don't really know where
are you taking the reader. So there's a beginning and
there's an after. But then another thing is, and I
like to share this with the clients that we work with,
is what is the purpose of the book? How do
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you really want to help your reader? So that beginning
and that after could be similar to other books, but
the way that you want to help the reader, that's
like the north star. That's like what you're always trying
to do throughout the book, and that helps keep it focused.
So you know, I just encourage people to kind of
touch back on your point. I just want to be
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led by the spirit. I don't want my voice to
be taken away. Well, that's a big beauty of our
program is that we actually capture your essence so so
well because you're answering things and we're using we're helping
you create structure to it throughout the whole entire process.
So yeah, so's it's a blessing. But it depends on
the program, like this is something that God has been
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refining over time and time again, and then people are like,
oh my gosh, this is amazing, but yeah, it's a
really neat thing, so go ahead.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
So, just as Jenna was mentioning, one of the great
benefits of the Message Launch program is that the structure
or the planning has already been embedded into it, you know,
and so it's just a matter of them following step
by step. And so the planning has been done for
them in this process, and then we just allow the
spirit by us praying on our coaching sessions or on
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our work sessions, and we allow the Spirit to really
to touch their creativity because their structured and organization of
each one of their chapters or book journeys is there
for them. And then it allows then the creativity for
them to kind of go in between the lines and
continue to add to the content.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
You And so that's how we keep that great balance
in it.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
But it everything, you know, it's definitely a balance, you know,
between having good planning so that you can get a good,
excellent result that's thought out, and then allowing the Spirit
to guide you with the details.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Yeah, what would you say? Is one big misconception about
writing a book.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
I think, I think think for a lot of people,
they think it's harder than it needs to be. You know,
a lot of people, before they start drawing out their message,
sometimes they don't even see the book inside of them,
or they're just like, this is just going to be
an arduous process. But really it is a liberating and
an amazing process that really helps solidify the calling of
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God on your life. When you draw out that message,
you actually get even more energized because you're actually doing
what you've been called to do. And for us, you know,
it's like you're really not just writing a book. You're
drawing out the oil that you're going to be pouring
out for a really long time through all that, but
your podcasts, you know, for everything, and you're really getting
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set free. So I can't claim that for every book
writing program out there, but I can claim it for ours.
It's it's it's probably it's it's probably the most neat
thing in their whole entire life. I mean, today, you know,
I spoke with a lady and I just really felt like,
you know, she she was just coming to me and
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I was just going to help draw out her message
for some content or some social media posts that she
was going to write. What came out when I started
drawing out her message is that she wanted to help
people who went away from the church because they had
been hurt by a pastor or by so and so,
and she said, I just want them to see or
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get their second chance and understand that God is right
there and then to get them back on track with
their calling. That came out of her with this process,
and it was like she just lit up, Like what
came out of this lady today thirty two years old
was the calling and the new season and the track
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of life that God has her on that is worth
everything in the world, you know. And you're like it
was there all along and so you know, I yeah,
that's what I was saying.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yeah, And that kind of leads to the second question,
what is the most rewarding part of your ministry? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Well, I mean for me, I think it's seen that
the ministers are out there end up launching and end
up seeing It's kind of like I'm helping them fish,
you know, so that they can fish on their own.
And I don't know, what there is to that. But
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it gives me such a it's so rewarding to me.
It's to see that, Wow, sometimes.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
We did in faith, we sewed.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
We didn't really necessarily give anything or get anything in return,
you know at times. But then a little bit of
time passes and then you start seeing that these people
have grabbed that and have done more than what we
taught them and then gone and went way beyond us
and have made progress in their technology and added more
to it. And then you start seeing like, oh, my goodness,
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that is our heart is that we can see these
ministers begin to grow from a foundation, you know, and
so that is just beautiful to me, you know, to
see that, and that's I believe that's what God placed
in us to do to help.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
I think is what is that? Is that? What is
your favorite part of the ministry?
Speaker 4 (38:24):
So I think that for me, I mean, it's even
seeing you right now, Jeff, I mean it is it
is when I feel like I see the fullness of
what God put inside of someone and like they're their
full potential and that they are exercising that that that
they're doing it, that they're putting this amazing value out
into the world that God deposited in them, and it's
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that they are it, that they are being it, that
they are doing it, that they're not hiding it. That
to me is the best thing. Basically, that they are
making a living doing what they're called to do. If
I see someone that is just every part of them
is an alignment with how God has called them to
serve others, I'm like, that is the best thing I've
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ever seen in the whole entire world. And that they're
not in competition with anybody, that they are just settled
in who they are and that they are doing what
God has called them to do is amazing.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
So this will be the last question, well next to
the last question. Before we get done, I want to
be sure that people understand how they connect with you guys,
go and tell your website now.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Yeah, so it's Message Launch Program dot com. And anyone
who is listening to this podcast, all you need to
do is click on the link that says book a
discovery call and we will walk through the process and
we're going to get your vision going and God is
going to speak to you and we'll explain the framework.
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But yeah, Message launch Program, Message.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Launch Program dot Com. Good so my next question it
goes to identity. So how do you help people navigate
the identity issue because it's so easy to get caught
up in the identity of writing, of being the author,
and even ministry itself, you know, success and recognition and
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those things come and go. I mean, you know, you
can be a YouTube influencer today and tomorrow your entire
audience disappear. How do you help people navigate those seasons
and rootter identity in Christ?
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Amen, did you want to go bay or do you
want me to?
Speaker 2 (40:37):
So basically.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
For me, you were you were mentioning a little while ago,
and I don't think I got to answer that. But
one of the biggest misconceptions as well that goes along
with this is that, you know, writing a book might
make you quick money, or you're going to become rich
and those type of things, and so sometimes people might
pursue that as a just as.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
An avenue of a stream of income, if you will.
You know, there's a lot of that right now going
on in multiple streams of income and things like that.
And I'm not saying it's a bad thing.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
I'm just saying that if you get wrapped up in that,
the process of writing a book really is a longer process.
You know, it's a process that it really comes down
to if you have a heart to minister to your audience,
you know, and so you're just providing a tool to
help them, you know, and so to minister to them
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and so and so really that's that's what we at least.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
In my case.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
You know, I remind people in our in our program
when we pray and when we talk that this is
about others, you know, this is about getting this message
out to others. We even having some of our training
videos at the beginning of our process that hey, if
you're here to just publish a book and try to
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make money, and you might as well just don't come
into the program.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Actually dissuade them from coming in.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Yeah, so it really has to be a calling for you,
and you know, so we get the right people. And
that's that's one thing, is that hey, yeah, we want
to get the right people because it just works out.
We want to serve you, and we want to serve
you well. And that's for those who are called.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
To do this.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
And then I think that we all have to remind
ourselves of this because serving you know, if you just
kind of get your eyes on the serving. Then that
that's the part that can get us off track. You know,
just like Mary and Martha, Jesus said, hey, you know,
you've missed the most important thing sitting at my feet.
And I really really love this because even when Miguel
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and I were looking at the program, we said, how
can we attract Christians and really get the essence of
a Christian message where it doesn't feel like it's just
sort of a word. And we said, you know what
really explains that is God given, my God given message.
And so you know, we need to remind ourselves that
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everything that we have to give is God given. And
our ministry it flows out of our relationship with the Lord.
It flows out of that spending time with him. You know,
it says in the Book of John, it says, what
is the purpose of this life? It's to know him,
to know him, to be in relationship with him, to
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experience him that he's our shepherd, that he leads us.
And out of that, when we are in relationship with God,
I mean, that's when we just overflow and it's really
just oil that that pours out. And then that's when
we really touch lives. It's because it's an overflow of
that relationship. And so, you know, just to remind ourselves, hey, well,
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everything we have that's actually valuable, that really at the
end of the day is going to make an eternal impact,
is God given. And then now when we understand it's
God given, then we pour it out and it's it's
just natural good, so good.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
So how does someone get started with you guys?
Speaker 4 (44:04):
Yeah, So what they would do is to go to
Message launch program dot com and then just select to
book a discovery call and so we just let you
know whether you're in the right publish or launch phase.
We have three levels of support. You know, whether you
decide to just do our course by yourself and you
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don't want support, or we've got an online community, we
have live work sessions, and we have one on one coaching.
So we would discuss that during the call. And then
to get started, we have you go to go dot
Message launch program dot com, put your email address and register,
and then we have an onboarding session and we start
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creating that plan that's tailored for you and start drawing
out your message from there.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
How long is a typical contract with you, guys?
Speaker 4 (44:54):
Well, the beauty of our program is that we don't
have contracts. You can actually start, stop and whenever you
want to. And so you know, you can just purchase
that that course a one time fee if you do
the monthly coaching and you can just do month to
month and so you know, can you can utilize our
expertise as long as you like and there's no contracts.
Speaker 5 (45:17):
That's awesome, yeah, because this is this is a ministry
for you guys.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
And so I know that you tell people, uh, you
don't put a you don't put a number on there
because you will to well might ever be an object
for people if you're a ministry and so you have
donors to help some people that are unable to afford that,
but you feel like they have a ministry that is
to uh to get out there as a part of
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their ministries.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Yes, I would. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
And to add to that, we do have scholarships and
at this stage right now, of our of our foundation,
of our of our ministry, we are subsidizing a portion
of the cost of because it takes coaches and those
things technology, and we want also for these ministers to
also value it. It's a very valuable education for them.
But for those who are not able to afford the
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cost right now of the support or the courses. There's
options in there in our website as you go along,
where you can apply for a scholarship and we can
we can subsidize that, I believe fifty percent of the
cost of the education. Now, like you said, it is
a ministry, So our next phases is to be able
to go and share our stories and the stories of
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our ministers so that we can gain more partnerships and
be able to subsidize.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
And in reality is one of the things I learned
in Church Plenty for a long time, the organization that
I work with, Dona Church Planting International, they would give
away their training. In fact, that was what Paul Becker
felt like he needed to do, and they still do
that to a certain extent. But who went online. One
of the things that we discovered was that if there
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was people didn't have to pay anything, They did not
have any type of the infect there was any value
in it. And I think sometimes that there's a misconception
out there that if it's ministry.
Speaker 5 (47:12):
It needs to be free.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
And what I tell people to push back on that is, yes,
it is a ministry, but everything that has value, at
least in our culture is going to have some type
of monetary. You need to have some investment in that.
And the more investment you have in that, more likely
new hearted stick to it and pour into it and
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finish it out. Because of what we learned the church
planting is they would start, but they would never finish.
And when we started charging this a nomenal fee of
fifty dollars for a six week course, we went from
a five percent completion rate online to a ninety five
percent completion rate on us, all because they had just
a little bit of skin into games. I tell people,
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don't apologize for charge money for your course just because
it's some ministry.
Speaker 5 (48:04):
There's value there.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
One question, someone wrote their book, you help them, you know,
walk through their God, give a message, they get it published.
All the things I discovered the biggest misconception was writing
the book was not the hard part. The hard part
was selling the book. So you pour all this time
and energy into writing this book and nobody reads it.
Speaker 5 (48:27):
So how do y'all help them with marketing as well?
Speaker 4 (48:31):
Yes. So one of the biggest things that we encourage
people with is it's called the sow to grow method
of what we teach, So we teach you how to
create what we call a big seed. So a good
example of this would be like a free Bible study product.
So if you have something to sew, then you're going
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to grow. And so what we just encourage people with
is like, hey, if you've got a book and you
really want to serve people in consuming it, is, hey,
have a blog page, have a free Bible study where
people can watch you know that in action in terms
of the video you as an author or as a
minister and creating discipleship, helping people create community and discipleship
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around your message. And so you know, a big part
about the launch part that people it's kind of difficult
for them is that they don't understand that in order
to grow, you need to serve more people with your message.
So how do I serve more people with my message?
And that is where having a big seed to sew
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and reaching more people with it that's what we help
with in our program. So if you have something like
that that it's easy to consume your content and people
are getting a lot of value out of it. Well,
out of that, the book sales come because it's actually
already attached to something that they've committed to, and so
you know, I just really encourage people. You know. I
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feel like it kind of goes to your comment as well, Jeff.
You know, when you've got somebody who is looking at,
you know, getting something for free, you know, in ministry,
if that is their mentality and they're receiving something and
they're like not really valuing it and they're not putting
money toward it, then they don't really understand the value
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of their God given message.
Speaker 5 (50:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
So when you understand the value of what you've got
and then you realize, Okay, now that I see the
value I have, now I need to sew it to
many many people. It's kind of like the grocery store
where it's like you're not going to try something new
unless you get to try it for free. So, you know,
I always encourage people have something for free, for sample
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and for sale so that people can kind of get
in the door. And we help people with that in
the program in sowing their God given message.
Speaker 5 (50:52):
Good deal. Right, Well, the final do you have something
else to say, Regel? Oh?
Speaker 3 (50:57):
I mean that does want to encourage everyone that, yeah,
you your message is unique and you can touch the
world and the time is now to begin tending it
so that that plan to that that seed grows into
a great plant and bless many others.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Well, if you guys are are such a blessing to
the people that you serve and to me, you were
a blessing when you helped me Righte reachabull and I
appreciate that it had the opportunity.
Speaker 5 (51:23):
And buy you own echoes through eternity.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
We've been trying to get it scheduled for a while
and in a transition from from Atlanta to Nashville, it.
Speaker 5 (51:32):
Has got lost in the mix. But it's been great
having you guys.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
You one last question here, what would you say is
the echo you want your life and message to leave.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Behind for me? For me?
Speaker 3 (51:44):
For me, it's definitely that that God given message you
have inside that seed that He has given you is
the greatest message that you can have and you can
tell others in your entire life.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
So that's your greatest asset.
Speaker 4 (51:57):
Amen. Yeah, that people would be able to discover that
message or that God given gift and that they would
keep pouring it out and realize that, hey, this has
eternal impact. And something kind of cool is that we're
actually starting to serve people who are in private schools
through our program. There's different programs where we're able to
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I think we're calling it like the Seed Launchers program,
but we want to start impacting people even in high
school and show them that hey, you've got a God
given gift and so to reach the next generation. And
I mean we all can have an echo. We all
whether it's through a book or are God given talent
to serve someone, whatever that is. Like, I pray if
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you are listening to this podcast that you would discover
how God has called you to serve other people and
just start where you're at. If you don't yet have it,
just start serving and God will reveal that to you
and you will make an echo through eternity in Jesus name.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
What would you say is the echo you want your
life and message to leave.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
Behind for me?
Speaker 3 (53:06):
For me, it's definitely that the God given message you
have inside that sea that He has given you is
the greatest message that you can have and you can
tell others in your entire life. So that's your greatest asset.
Speaker 5 (53:19):
Amen.
Speaker 4 (53:20):
Yeah, that people would be able to discover that message
or that God given gift and that they would keep
pouring it out and realize that, hey, this has eternal impact.
And something kind of cool is that we're actually starting
to serve people who are in private schools through our program.
There's different programs where we're able to I think we're
(53:41):
calling it like the Seed Launchers program, but we want
to start impacting people even in high school and show
them that hey, you've got a God given gift and
so to reach the next generation. And I mean we
all can have an echo. We all whether it's through
a book or are God given talent to serve someone,
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whatever that is. Like, I pray if you are listening
to this podcast that you would discover how God has
called you to serve other people and just start where
you're at. If you don't yet have it, just start
serving and God will reveal that to you and you
will make an echo through eternity in Jesus name.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
So one last time message launchprogram dot com was the website?
Speaker 5 (54:28):
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (54:29):
Go there, book a discovery call with Jenna and she
will She'll get on there and get you on the
calendar there and I promise you you will not regret it,
no matter how insignificant you think your message is it
is not. God is going to echo your message through
eternity and he will use Regel and Jenna to help
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you do that because everybody needs some type of spark
in their life.
Speaker 5 (54:54):
So great having you, folks.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
Blessings to you, Thank you so much, Thank you Jeff,
thank you God, bless you so m
What would you say is the echo you want your
life and message to leave.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Behind for me?
Speaker 3 (00:06):
For me, it's definitely that the God given message you
have inside that sea that He has given you is
the greatest message that you can have and you can
tell others in your entire life.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
So that's your greatest asset.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
Amen. Yeah, that people would be able to discover that
message or that God given gift and that they would
keep pouring it out and realize that, hey, this has
eternal impact. And something kind of cool is that we're
actually starting to serve people who are in private schools
through our program. There's different programs where we're able to
(00:40):
I think we're calling it like the Seed Launchers program,
but we want to start impacting people even in high
school and show them that hey, you've got a God
given gift and so to reach the next generation. And
I mean we all can have an echo. We all
whether it's through a book or are God given talent
to serve someone whatever that is. Like I pray if
(01:04):
you are listening to this podcast that you would discover
how God has called you to serve other people and
just start where you're at. If you don't yet have it,
just start serving and God will reveal that to you
and you will make an echo through eternity.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Jesus Amen, what is your.
Speaker 6 (01:23):
Life echoing through eternity? Welcome to Echoes through Eternity with
doctor Jeffrey Skinner. Our mission is to inspire, engage and
encourage leaders from across the globe to plant missional churches
and be servant leaders. So join us and hear the
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Speaker 5 (01:52):
Welcome in Echoes to Eternity. I am your host, Doctor
Jeffrey D. Skinner. Every moment, every story holds in there
go of God for us. What is He saying in
yours today?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Well, today I am joined by a couple of good
friends of mine. They have a ministry called I Have
a Message and it is exactly how it sounds. They
help people, pastors, authors, just people that are creative and
have a burning desire to share their message with the world,
(02:24):
and they help them to do that. And they have
an entire system that they do. They have people that
are that are contributing to their ministry to help them
with scholarships.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
But we're going to dive in today and just talk
about their ministry. They've been doing this for several years.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Now and I have just watched them over and over
again just grow and just serve the Lord in every
way possible of their talents there. I was telling their husband,
Genna's husband Rogue earlier today, if I had a thumbdel
of his time, I've been a billionaire. He is just
a super talented guy. And they're about just great love
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the people, and I just want you to know that
I'm excited about this interview today. But again, their mess
their ministry is I have a message, and uh, we're
going to get into that now. Riguel and Jenna, welcome
in for you today.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
How are you very well?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I am super crazy day, but but as hey, if
you're not busy, you get in trouble, right to say,
I don't know the Devil's play tools, so I'm definitely
nobody play tool today.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
So maybe you're a fellow A night now, that's like
good night.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
So let me let me just start out with the
let you guys can't tell your story. You know, the
story about your call. How did God first air your
hearts for for ministry?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Do you okay?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
So I mean I'll get started here. You know, that's
a that's a great question. How do we get started?
I'm gonna I'm gonna go back real quick. And both
of us have our unique paths of how we came
to know God. What I know For me, the God
I know is the God of salvation, and he took
me from having nothing, I mean absolutely nothing to completely
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transforming my situation to having a great job back in
two thousand and two with a private company. And then
there began this amazing experience of this God that saves
and can take you from nothing to something. And I
didn't have a family, gave me a great family, didn't
have children, gave me great children, didn't have a ministry
or anything like that, and He has given it to us.
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And so God is so faithful and he had deposited
in us this desire to go to Bible College to
pursue more because of his goodness. And we met Jenna
and I in twenty ten in Houston, Texas Lake With
Church and we're serving there in different ministries, one of
them being homeless ministries out there under the.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Bridges in Houston, Texas.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
We decided, you know, we felt led marry and then
after marriage we said, hey, you know what, let's answer
this call that we have in there. She shared it
as well of having a call to go to Bible College,
and he led us by peace ended up going to
Bible College back in twenty and eleven. We married ten
twenty eleven, and they're in Bible College. In those years,
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God gave us a vision, you know, and that's how
really what you see now was birth. It was that
vision to just God told us help those ministers that
are coming out of Bible College and help them get
that message out of them in an outline form into
a clear format for them to publish their books and
then help them launch out. And that's where it all began,
(05:44):
right big amen.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Yeah, I think that one of the most important things
that Raguel and I have learned, you know, just like
he had mentioned, we went to Bible College and just
received the truth of the Word of God and just
understand understood how God is so good. And it was
like both of us received a vision of these like
shooting stars coming out of the college and we really
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just saw how a great portion of the value that
any of us can even just claim is really anything
only that God has put into us. You know, he
formed us, he loved us, He loves all of us
so much, and we all have such a unique calling
on our lives. And so Reguel and I we just
believe that that value that's been deposited inside of every
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single one of us, it's more than monetary things. It's spiritual.
It's the things that we can give. And so really
at that point was where God really birthed that call
to minister and to serve ministers, to serve authors, ministers
and speakers.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Good.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
So, what has serving theether as a couple taught you
about faith and partnership?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Amen? I think for me it is really I saw
a really neat example from a gentleman or a leader
that I know, and his name is David Briggs, and
he was just talking about how you know, when you're
in relationship with people, you start to see that when
you can kind of bend and weave with the other person,
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and really when they go this way, you go with
them when they go that way. And I really see
that with Raguel and I that as I started to
really see him and see his gifts, his talents, his anointings,
his preferences that you kind of just realize, Okay, I'm
serving him. We're serving together, and we need to do
this together. And so I think that that's been a
(07:29):
big learning curve for me, and I think that the
more together that we are, the greater impact that we
can have because we realize, wow, you know, we're we're
better together as one and we serve together, and we
got to learn each others the way that we work.
And then when we do that, wow, you know what
a blessing we have. We definitely had a good lesson
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in that, you know, over the years, we've really had
to learn to do that and it's been a blessing.
So we're still doing that.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Still learning.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, working with ministry together, especially his husband and wife.
I mean, it's it's incredibly rewarding. One of those things
that Lisa and I my wife have had learned the
boundary side of things, because you do live together and
you know you uh, my wife used to tell everybody
that she was sleeping with the pastor Yeah, so you
(08:20):
gotta learn to set those boundaries there, you know, And
so you can't You've got to have specific office times,
otherwise you're just always working. And so how do you
guys navigate that in your own relationship? I know you
said you learned kind of as the other one's you know,
kneeling that the other one leans into that, and you
(08:40):
kind of time of dance as well. Almost you described
it there. But in those times where you're out of sync?
How do you handle it? You know?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
You know, I'd like to say something too, because it
has been such a such an experience, and I would
have to say it goes back to to really relying
on God, you know, in your relationship there with God,
because you know it was challenging for me.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I think I think for it as just as anyone.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
You know, when you when you begin your marriage and
you begin to learn about the other person and how
you know it might be very different than what what
you do and the way that you do things. And
through your relationship with God, you start learning that we're
here to serve and to sacrifice and to become that
living sacrifice. And as time goes on, you start realizing that, wow,
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this is a dream team. It really is that saying
that dream work makes the or the teamwork makes the
dream work it truly is like I could not do
any of this if it wasn't for gen Like really,
I couldn't even you know. I mean, she has so
many gifts and talent and abilities that are that I
don't I.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Just don't, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
And I don't even know what I would be doing
without without my better half. She is the sunshine of
the house. And I'm more like the detailed person, you know,
they get it done and stuff. But she has such
a great you know, just relationship building and communication and
those type of things, and so those are all way needed.
And I just thank God for having I don't want
to cry and any of these, but but I just
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thank God for bringing me.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
It's such a such a greater, a.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Great treasure, My best treasure besides Jesus Christ has been
my wife. And and then in the moment at least
expected it that I that I would that I would
meet somebody like her, God brought her to me.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
And what a blessing.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
That's awesome. Yeah, that's good, that's very good.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
The h and you guys do compliment each other, well,
I mean your your gifts and graces and and uh
and they're obvious both of you you know, I was
joking and begang and said, you know, we're going a
lot of talent. But Jennah has a lot of talent
as well, and those communications is one of them. She's very,
very gifted communicator, and not just in that way, but
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gifted them anyways, just as I've watched you guys, and
for disclosure, I have never met either one of you
two in person, even though y'all try to get us
to move to Colorado when we were looking at movies.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Did invite you, Yes, we did.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
I could not.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I mean, I'm barely surviving winters in Nashville or fall
in Nashville. I would just I would crawl into a
cave and just not come out until springtime if I.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Were living in Colorado.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
But uh, you know, I'm glad that God has gifted
you to with an environmental temperament that can handle such
a you will climate.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I didn't know this place existed, but God let us
over here.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
So I've got no friend that lives out there, and
he keeps trying to taught me into coming out there
as well.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
No avenue, I'm not coming. I'm just see so once there.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
I mean, you know, I know you guys have been
doing this ministry for a while, but I know you
recently made that transition to where it's more of a
you know, your new ministry, but it's more for profit
and he's opened the nonprofit. Was it two years ago
now that you opened the nonprofit with I have a message?
What was there defining yes moment where you guys just said,
(12:04):
you know, we gotta stop hesitating. Here we go, we
gotta stop playing foot steats. We gotta either jump in,
you know, or or let it go. But we got
to do one or the other. What was that moment
for you guys or was there a moment for you guys?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Amen?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Did you want to see something move.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
On that one?
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Well?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, I mean there's there definitely has been those moments.
I think it was a struggle initially, you know, during
the Bible college years, we received that vision. We began
helping and we thought, okay, well, eventually, I guess we graduate,
we move on and that'll go away. And we just
discovered that it just never left us, like we could
not get rid of it, and.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Wherever we would go, we would always.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Come across these new ministers that needed help and that
we could assist with. And initially we thought, okay, well,
if we want to do this, we're going to have
to use it as a maybe as a business, and
then we realized that it's not a business. It's it's
really not it. I mean a lot of it was
more of a labor of love and helping them. We
had a heart for these ministers and we were give
to them and helping a lot of them starting out.
(13:05):
Really you know, they're they're walking by faith and they
don't have necessarily a resource resources to pay for people's time,
you know, And so I think we realized, yeah, yeah,
well some do for sure. And then we realized eventually,
I think, you know, in our own minds, eventually we realized, okay,
this is our ministry. You know, it became real I
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think it it really became pointed during COVID, during the
during those years, because there were so many messages that
were negative out in the media stream that we thought, okay,
where are all our ministers, you know, where where's the
voices of the ministers out there? And we need to
hear these positive messages, these hope giving messages and faith
filled messages, and so it became a more acute at
(13:51):
that moment that you know, it's bigger than us. We
can't sustain it. So this isn't this is the ministry
that God has given us. And so we then found it.
I have a message foundation there as a five O
one C three and you know, so that we're able
to receive you know, so that through the messages and
through the stories, others can support it and it just
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works out much better.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
So one of the I think that the biggest things
that I think there was probably like two big points
of realization for Reguel and I And I remember during
twenty nineteen, around the time of COVID, you know, we
would be at the drawing board, the marker board, figuring
out what's our strategy, how are we going to launch this?
And I remember one day that Reguel really saw this
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and I bet a lot of you viewers out there
are are are maybe in this point, but he realized
it's kind of there's kind of like this like tightrope,
and there is a there's a point where you are
where you are and you know, you could be pursuing
what seems good, what the world says is good. Maybe
it's business or finances or what you think is the
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very best. But then there is a tug and there's
God and he's like, there's a calling. And it's like
the more you dig into your relationship with God and
you see how he's called you to serve people in
an area, and you say, wow, Lord, that's scary. I
don't know where that provision is. And we all know
(15:19):
in ministry it is through giving and so and it
is through serving, and it is through pursuing what He's
called us to do. And sometimes we can't see every
single step to that provision or if that it's going
to succeed. And so I just remember one day, Raguel,
he was just like, I get it. I get it.
When we're pursuing what God has called us to do,
we're in the very best place. But it's the world
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and it's the cares of this world that try to
pull us away. And so you know, it's in those
moments where we realize, oh, wow, you know God has
called me to something here. He's called me to a ministry,
He's called me to serve, and it's a big step
of faith. And even for us personally, I would even
say this year that we really went all in, and
(16:03):
I would say a more for Reguel, so he's been
full time in our ministry. Now we both serve in
our ministry. But that in itself was a big step
of faith. And when he made that step of faith
our ministry, I mean it tripled, like in terms of
the income, the people that we were able to serve.
We've got you know, other coaches, people who are more
(16:27):
resources and people, and it really it has come by
the grace of God. And so you know, I just
want to encourage those of you who are out there
that you know, when you feel that calling, you know,
keep being faithful, keep making those steps, because God is
the one that's faithful, you know. Reguel and I we
were talking about how the Parable of the Sower. It
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says that the sower sows the seed. Us as ministers,
we sow the seed and we know not how it increases,
but God is the one who brings the increase. And
I even today I had two people I talked to
and on a Discovery call and I wasn't even anticipating
that it would be for them to enroll in the program,
and both of them did and I didn't. I didn't
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seek that out. They came to me and I was like, Wow,
you Lord are increasing this and so yeah, that's kind
of a little bit of our yeah answer.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
And Briguel, I love how you said that the call
just wouldn't go away.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
And that's one of the things.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
In fact, right before we requited this, I was to
coach and call with a team of of church planters.
Actually it was a time when I'm coaching as a
planter and as it may be four or five planters,
but this particular situation was a planter and then they
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had the entire core team with them, and one of
the questions I asked them was, how do you discern
false call? In other words, how do you know you
weren't this plant called that you're really called planting church
and this is not just ambition. And their answer was,
because it just won't go away. That call just it's
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not something you can escape. It's not something you put down.
When you go to sleep at night, you're thinking about it.
When you wake up in the morning, you're thinking about it.
That's how you know you know God has called you there.
Now they're you know, in our denomination, there is a
process that you know absolutely God has called. But the
Church of Firms and so there you have to certainly
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have the gifts and the graces to do so, but
absolutely God equipped as he calls. And so I love
that you talked about how the colleges wouldn't go away
for you.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
That is we uh yeah, we I mean I think
we even wanted to, Like we were trying to push
it away and it's like, oh, please just go away,
you know, like we're done, like we need to focus
on something else.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
And yeah, you're trying to keep underwater just just popping
back up.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Right, yeah. Yeah. So so that's you know, that definitely
helped us.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
And you know, having that desire inside to pursue more
of God, and you know, I think has has helped us.
That's one of my prayers every one of my birthdays
every year is that God could has helped me to
always have that grazee, just have a hunger for you,
to seek you because there's so many things, you know,
out there in the world, and I think having that
as well helps us to be able to hear Him
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
So good, so good, And so yeah, we've talked about
kind of the call and your personal and how you
guys work together. I want to move in now, let's
talk about how what is your program about, how do
you actually help someone who.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Has a message.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Let's say, and for disclosure, you guys did help me
write a book and that book became an international bestseller.
So something you're doing is right, is right, and and
so I just know the process that you brought me
through has helped me so much.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Talk about that a little bit.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
How do you, guys, and and maybe first we'll talk
about what you do, and then I want to I
want to back up and LD to talk about how
you came up with that system. You know, hell, what
what process it was for you determining what that message was.
So let's begin with talk about what you do to
help people who has a god given message to get
that message out there.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
I mean, yeah, So one of the first things that
we do is we help draw out what we call
the god given message or the marketable message, you can
call it either way. And basically what it is is
it's the message of how you serve others. And so
that message, in essence is it naturally comes out of
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the person. I was talking with someone today and she
had such confidence just seeing that message just come out
of her, and I could tell that's how she wants
to serve others. It's a before and after reflection of
the transformation, a major transformation of what God did in
her life. And so a lot of the people that
we serve, they are literally now in a place where
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now they're called to minister what God did in their life.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Like just like you, Jeff.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
It's like, hey, the next generation is reachable, and you
have a passion for that and an anointing to lead
and to sew and to grow that spiritual formation into
the next generation. So it's so neat how that message
once we draw that out that it becomes really it's
kind of like the dough for every product that you
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can make or serve people with. So once people really see, wow,
this is a message that God has called me to
serve others with, they really start to see the value
of what they can contribute in this world. So it's
not just any book, it's the way that you serve people.
And so, you know, just in terms of the method
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or the program, we help people come out with a
value ladder. I like to show them, hey, you can
sew this. It's a book. It can be a Bible
study or a guided book, guided video study, that people
can watch. They can you know, be blessed. You can
sew that for free and then people purchase your book.
But it's really about discipleship and then helping people understand. Okay,
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I am called to do this, so you're called to
do it. But you're also called uniquely in a certain
way to share your God given message. So, for example,
doctor Jeff Skinner has Echoes through Eternity podcast. That is
something that is a way that he sows his God
given message. And so we like to help people know, like,
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what is the lifestyle of sharing your message that it
brings you joy. Some people are like, I would never
get in front of a camera, but I would write
a blog post, I would make a Bible study product.
Some people are like, I don't want to go to
a church and do a speaking engagement. Some are like,
I'd rather just do an interview. So we like to
draw that out of them and help them create that
(22:48):
lifestyle of sharing their message. But BIB, did you do
you have anything kind of stirring in you it as
it relates to what I was sharing.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Yeah, well, I mean I think that's so right. You know,
Jenna has over the years, I think God has given
her DeGrace to be able to refine this process, and
so that stage she was talking about is the right stage,
and it's a drawing out, So it really helps the
author minister to clarify their message. A lot of times
ministers might have an idea but it's not super clear,
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and so the process of working with someone as inside
of the program then helps them draw that out and
clarify it. And then there's the other stages that we
can also talk about, which is the publishing phase of it,
so they get to learn a lot about Amazon publishing
and self publishing and the benefits that that does versus
doing it through an actual publishing house. And then from
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there the whole launch process that we call which is
a marketing phase. And so we want to give them
the strongest foundation so that they can continue to repeat
that process themselves and grow, you know. And we've seen
that firsthand through the different ministry that we've served over
the years, large large ministers, worldwide ministries, and they, I mean,
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this is one of the key things that they do,
and so we want to make sure that all of
our ministers have that strong foundation.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Good, So what do you do with people feel out
their story isn't big enough to matter?
Speaker 5 (24:17):
What do you say to them that they don't think
that they're a story is big enough to matter.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Maybe they don't have confidence enough in their story to think,
well's it's two insignificant. Yeah, I've got a message, but
nobody's there really listen, what do you what do you
tell those people?
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Well?
Speaker 4 (24:31):
I love I love those people because they're in our program.
And really, what what I love is that that that
is really the essence of our program is that that
person is thinking, oh, I'm just like everyone else, and
I'm like, no, you're not. You're very unique and so someone.
So it's kind of a little bit along the lines.
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You know, when we work with someone, we really draw
that message out from scratch. So then they think, like,
you know, I have a healing book I want to
share about healing. And then they think, well, my message
it's probably super similar to other people's messages. And that's
the part where we really shine is where we're able
to say, well, tell me about where were you before
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God gave you this revelation? What happened to you? How
do you want to help people? How do you want
their lives impacted? And suddenly their message gets big, it
gets unique, and they say, oh my gosh, I can
help people through my God given message. So it's no
longer about them. It's really about other people and how
they can help people. And so we help open their
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eyes to that that, hey, this is actually not about you.
It's about other people and what God deposited in you,
and it's meant to be serving others. So sometimes they
need that drawing out process to understand and discover that,
and then they get great confidence because they see, Wow,
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this is the work of God and I'm called. I'm
called to serve administer others with it.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
I go to answer that. I you know that I
love what Mark four thirty one and thirty two says.
It's the parable of the mustard seed. And I whenever
someone comes across me and I get to sense that
they have a message, I just tell them about that
parable because that little seed that they have inside, you know,
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maybe they're beginning right and so they're probably struggling.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
They might not have a clear direction, but that parable
says that it could be.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
A tiny, tiny thing that you have inside, but you
know what, it's so valuable. I tell them that that
is the greatest asset that you can ever have. If
you have something that God is a positive you, something
that God did in your life, you have the best asset.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
You don't need. You know, you don't need your real estate.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
You don't need cryptocurrency out there. You have the word
of God inside of there. And according to the Word
of God, it says that it ends up growing as
long as you tend it right our own and become
the largest of the plants. And so that I tell
them it has the capacity. Your message out there, if
anybody is listening out there, your message has the capacity
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to produce enough for you, for your family, and for
many others. It says that even birds come and make
their nests under so they find shelter inside of that
message that you have. And so it's such a powerful thing,
but God has given us. I tell them real estate
will eventually fail you at some point in time, because
because it's not greater than the Word of God. Cryptocurrency
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will eventually fail you because it's not greater than the
Word of God. The Word of God in you is greater.
It says that everything will pass away, but my words
will remain. And so I encourage them with that right there,
and I that became a revelation in my life to
even just go after what we're doing and to serve
others with that. And that is the message I share
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with everyone. And I truly believe that I've had experiences
where other things that I've placed my trust in have
failed me, but the Word of God is still here.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
Amen. Don't you assure you're not a preacher?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
No, I app I preach that for sure. Yeah, I
appreach that.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
The Master's seasons. I've heard that was that's very good.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
So how do you how do you? I know my
daughter is a songwriter. It's only eighteen years old, so
she has all the all the all the confidence of
an eighteen year old, all the ride over whatever you
want to call it there. But so so there's a
songwriter here in Nashville who has offered to mentor her,
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and my daughter's response was, well, I don't want her
to stifle my creativity.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Okay, she's eighteen.
Speaker 7 (28:49):
Yeah, but you know, I hear that a lot from
people when they start working with with writing coaches and
things like that.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Right, Well, you know, I don't want this has become
so polished. I just want the spirit to flow and uh,
and I heard among church planters, you know, I don't
want to plan, we just want to be. We just
want to let the spirit flow. We're just gonna follow
the spirit of God. Well, Moses followed the spirit of
God and he wanted the desert.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
For forty years.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, you tell me you want to plan, or you
will be Moses, you know, because Moses didn't win. He
just didn't go and he went. But anyway, I guess
his plans to follow God where he led. But we
don't have a pillar of fire by night or we
do have a cloud by us smoke by days.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
I have sent those two. I encourage people to have
a plans.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
So yeah, the question is how do you help people
balance excellence and communication while simultaneously maintaining that authenticity and spirit.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Yes, I love love that question. So that I just
think of how we started, you know, just in in
terms of the book, drying out the God given message
and helping people organize it. So the way really that
the Message Launch program started, we actually helped a worship
leader and she was wanting speaking engagements, ministry engagements, and
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so Reguel was like, she should just publish a book
that's going to help her and it did. You know,
she got those engagements and everything. But as we started
serving more clients, you know, we really start in the journey.
In the publishing journey, you have the editing phase, and
so there's different levels of editors that people need for
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their books. So if you know, if someone is just
you know, going by the spirit, they're writing all of
their thoughts and then it's down in a book, that
person is going to be needing a more expensive editor.
So their content development is much needed and they're going
to need a lot more refinement. And so you know,
really what it comes down to is how you want
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to serve others in receiving your God given message. So
there was a point where I really realized that while
I can really serve a lot of these ministers better
if people really understand the message of how they serve
others going into the book and helping them organize their
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content at the get go before they even write their book.
Because the way that the thoughts are kind of presented,
it just felt like, Okay, they're really kind of out
of order, and if we would have put a little
bit more thought into it and had an order what
we call this in the program. Is that the that
the message before they kind of enter in the program.
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It's kind of author focused and we like to help
them get it to be reader focused. So the way
that we do that is we say, Okay, how are
we going to help people in this book, and what
are the keys that you that you need to share
with them in order to help them? What is the
current state? What is the transmation state. So you guys
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are kind of getting a little bit of a taste
of the program just from my answer, But those are
the guardrails for your book. What's the current state that
they're in. It's often a reflection of where you were
before you got this revelation that you want to share.
What's the after state? You know, like Reriguel shared, that
could be a book meaning before I put my trust
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in real estate, in all of these different things, but
they can fail me. But guess what, the Word of
God never fails me. So if he can bring them
from trusting into the world to you know, I'm going
to go for God, or have my faith in the
Word of God and for my life and become a minister,
or do what God has called me to do, then
that's that before and after state of that book, So
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you know, the beginning and the end of the book.
A lot of people they'll write a book and they're like, man,
this book will never end. I can't even finish it. Well,
it's because there's no structure. You don't really know where
are you taking the reader. So there's a beginning and
there's an after. But then another thing is, and I
like to share this with the clients that we work with,
is what is the purpose of the book? How do
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you really want to help your reader? So that beginning
and that after could be similar to other books, but
the way that you want to help the reader, that's
like the north star. That's like what you're always trying
to do throughout the book, and that helps keep it focused.
So you know, I just encourage people to kind of
touch back on your point. I just want to be
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led by the spirit. I don't want my voice to
be taken away. Well, that's a big beauty of our
program is that we actually capture your essence so so
well because you're answering things and we're using we're helping
you create structure to it throughout the whole entire process.
So yeah, so's it's a blessing. But it depends on
the program, like this is something that God has been
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refining over time and time again, and then people are like,
oh my gosh, this is amazing, but yeah, it's a
really neat thing, so go ahead.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
So, just as Jenna was mentioning, one of the great
benefits of the Message Launch program is that the structure
or the planning has already been embedded into it, you know,
and so it's just a matter of them following step
by step. And so the planning has been done for
them in this process, and then we just allow the
spirit by us praying on our coaching sessions or on
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our work sessions, and we allow the Spirit to really
to touch their creativity because their structured and organization of
each one of their chapters or book journeys is there
for them. And then it allows then the creativity for
them to kind of go in between the lines and
continue to add to the content.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
You And so that's how we keep that great balance
in it.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
But it everything, you know, it's definitely a balance, you know,
between having good planning so that you can get a good,
excellent result that's thought out, and then allowing the Spirit
to guide you with the details.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Yeah, what would you say? Is one big misconception about
writing a book.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
I think, I think think for a lot of people,
they think it's harder than it needs to be. You know,
a lot of people, before they start drawing out their message,
sometimes they don't even see the book inside of them,
or they're just like, this is just going to be
an arduous process. But really it is a liberating and
an amazing process that really helps solidify the calling of
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God on your life. When you draw out that message,
you actually get even more energized because you're actually doing
what you've been called to do. And for us, you know,
it's like you're really not just writing a book. You're
drawing out the oil that you're going to be pouring
out for a really long time through all that, but
your podcasts, you know, for everything, and you're really getting
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set free. So I can't claim that for every book
writing program out there, but I can claim it for ours.
It's it's it's probably it's it's probably the most neat
thing in their whole entire life. I mean, today, you know,
I spoke with a lady and I just really felt like,
you know, she she was just coming to me and
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I was just going to help draw out her message
for some content or some social media posts that she
was going to write. What came out when I started
drawing out her message is that she wanted to help
people who went away from the church because they had
been hurt by a pastor or by so and so,
and she said, I just want them to see or
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get their second chance and understand that God is right
there and then to get them back on track with
their calling. That came out of her with this process,
and it was like she just lit up, Like what
came out of this lady today thirty two years old
was the calling and the new season and the track
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of life that God has her on that is worth
everything in the world, you know. And you're like it
was there all along and so you know, I yeah,
that's what I was saying.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yeah, And that kind of leads to the second question,
what is the most rewarding part of your ministry? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Well, I mean for me, I think it's seen that
the ministers are out there end up launching and end
up seeing It's kind of like I'm helping them fish,
you know, so that they can fish on their own.
And I don't know, what there is to that. But
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it gives me such a it's so rewarding to me.
It's to see that, Wow, sometimes.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
We did in faith, we sewed.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
We didn't really necessarily give anything or get anything in return,
you know at times. But then a little bit of
time passes and then you start seeing that these people
have grabbed that and have done more than what we
taught them and then gone and went way beyond us
and have made progress in their technology and added more
to it. And then you start seeing like, oh, my goodness,
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that is our heart is that we can see these
ministers begin to grow from a foundation, you know, and
so that is just beautiful to me, you know, to
see that, and that's I believe that's what God placed
in us to do to help.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
I think is what is that? Is that? What is
your favorite part of the ministry?
Speaker 4 (38:24):
So I think that for me, I mean, it's even
seeing you right now, Jeff, I mean it is it
is when I feel like I see the fullness of
what God put inside of someone and like they're their
full potential and that they are exercising that that that
they're doing it, that they're putting this amazing value out
into the world that God deposited in them, and it's
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that they are it, that they are being it, that
they are doing it, that they're not hiding it. That
to me is the best thing. Basically, that they are
making a living doing what they're called to do. If
I see someone that is just every part of them
is an alignment with how God has called them to
serve others, I'm like, that is the best thing I've
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ever seen in the whole entire world. And that they're
not in competition with anybody, that they are just settled
in who they are and that they are doing what
God has called them to do is amazing.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
So this will be the last question, well next to
the last question. Before we get done, I want to
be sure that people understand how they connect with you guys,
go and tell your website now.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Yeah, so it's Message Launch Program dot com. And anyone
who is listening to this podcast, all you need to
do is click on the link that says book a
discovery call and we will walk through the process and
we're going to get your vision going and God is
going to speak to you and we'll explain the framework.
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But yeah, Message launch Program, Message.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Launch Program dot Com. Good so my next question it
goes to identity. So how do you help people navigate
the identity issue because it's so easy to get caught
up in the identity of writing, of being the author,
and even ministry itself, you know, success and recognition and
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those things come and go. I mean, you know, you
can be a YouTube influencer today and tomorrow your entire
audience disappear. How do you help people navigate those seasons
and rootter identity in Christ?
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Amen, did you want to go bay or do you
want me to?
Speaker 2 (40:37):
So basically.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
For me, you were you were mentioning a little while ago,
and I don't think I got to answer that. But
one of the biggest misconceptions as well that goes along
with this is that, you know, writing a book might
make you quick money, or you're going to become rich
and those type of things, and so sometimes people might
pursue that as a just as.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
An avenue of a stream of income, if you will.
You know, there's a lot of that right now going
on in multiple streams of income and things like that.
And I'm not saying it's a bad thing.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
I'm just saying that if you get wrapped up in that,
the process of writing a book really is a longer process.
You know, it's a process that it really comes down
to if you have a heart to minister to your audience,
you know, and so you're just providing a tool to
help them, you know, and so to minister to them
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and so and so really that's that's what we at least.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
In my case.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
You know, I remind people in our in our program
when we pray and when we talk that this is
about others, you know, this is about getting this message
out to others. We even having some of our training
videos at the beginning of our process that hey, if
you're here to just publish a book and try to
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make money, and you might as well just don't come
into the program.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Actually dissuade them from coming in.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Yeah, so it really has to be a calling for you,
and you know, so we get the right people. And
that's that's one thing, is that hey, yeah, we want
to get the right people because it just works out.
We want to serve you, and we want to serve
you well. And that's for those who are called.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
To do this.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
And then I think that we all have to remind
ourselves of this because serving you know, if you just
kind of get your eyes on the serving. Then that
that's the part that can get us off track. You know,
just like Mary and Martha, Jesus said, hey, you know,
you've missed the most important thing sitting at my feet.
And I really really love this because even when Miguel
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and I were looking at the program, we said, how
can we attract Christians and really get the essence of
a Christian message where it doesn't feel like it's just
sort of a word. And we said, you know what
really explains that is God given, my God given message.
And so you know, we need to remind ourselves that
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everything that we have to give is God given. And
our ministry it flows out of our relationship with the Lord.
It flows out of that spending time with him. You know,
it says in the Book of John, it says, what
is the purpose of this life? It's to know him,
to know him, to be in relationship with him, to
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experience him that he's our shepherd, that he leads us.
And out of that, when we are in relationship with God,
I mean, that's when we just overflow and it's really
just oil that that pours out. And then that's when
we really touch lives. It's because it's an overflow of
that relationship. And so, you know, just to remind ourselves, hey, well,
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everything we have that's actually valuable, that really at the
end of the day is going to make an eternal impact,
is God given. And then now when we understand it's
God given, then we pour it out and it's it's
just natural good, so good.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
So how does someone get started with you guys?
Speaker 4 (44:04):
Yeah, So what they would do is to go to
Message launch program dot com and then just select to
book a discovery call and so we just let you
know whether you're in the right publish or launch phase.
We have three levels of support. You know, whether you
decide to just do our course by yourself and you
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don't want support, or we've got an online community, we
have live work sessions, and we have one on one coaching.
So we would discuss that during the call. And then
to get started, we have you go to go dot
Message launch program dot com, put your email address and register,
and then we have an onboarding session and we start
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creating that plan that's tailored for you and start drawing
out your message from there.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
How long is a typical contract with you, guys?
Speaker 4 (44:54):
Well, the beauty of our program is that we don't
have contracts. You can actually start, stop and whenever you
want to. And so you know, you can just purchase
that that course a one time fee if you do
the monthly coaching and you can just do month to
month and so you know, can you can utilize our
expertise as long as you like and there's no contracts.
Speaker 5 (45:17):
That's awesome, yeah, because this is this is a ministry
for you guys.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
And so I know that you tell people, uh, you
don't put a you don't put a number on there
because you will to well might ever be an object
for people if you're a ministry and so you have
donors to help some people that are unable to afford that,
but you feel like they have a ministry that is
to uh to get out there as a part of
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their ministries.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Yes, I would. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
And to add to that, we do have scholarships and
at this stage right now, of our of our foundation,
of our of our ministry, we are subsidizing a portion
of the cost of because it takes coaches and those
things technology, and we want also for these ministers to
also value it. It's a very valuable education for them.
But for those who are not able to afford the
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cost right now of the support or the courses. There's
options in there in our website as you go along,
where you can apply for a scholarship and we can
we can subsidize that, I believe fifty percent of the
cost of the education. Now, like you said, it is
a ministry, So our next phases is to be able
to go and share our stories and the stories of
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our ministers so that we can gain more partnerships and
be able to subsidize.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
And in reality is one of the things I learned
in Church Plenty for a long time, the organization that
I work with, Dona Church Planting International, they would give
away their training. In fact, that was what Paul Becker
felt like he needed to do, and they still do
that to a certain extent. But who went online. One
of the things that we discovered was that if there
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was people didn't have to pay anything, They did not
have any type of the infect there was any value
in it. And I think sometimes that there's a misconception
out there that if it's ministry.
Speaker 5 (47:12):
It needs to be free.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
And what I tell people to push back on that is, yes,
it is a ministry, but everything that has value, at
least in our culture is going to have some type
of monetary. You need to have some investment in that.
And the more investment you have in that, more likely
new hearted stick to it and pour into it and
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finish it out. Because of what we learned the church
planting is they would start, but they would never finish.
And when we started charging this a nomenal fee of
fifty dollars for a six week course, we went from
a five percent completion rate online to a ninety five
percent completion rate on us, all because they had just
a little bit of skin into games. I tell people,
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don't apologize for charge money for your course just because
it's some ministry.
Speaker 5 (48:04):
There's value there.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
One question, someone wrote their book, you help them, you know,
walk through their God, give a message, they get it published.
All the things I discovered the biggest misconception was writing
the book was not the hard part. The hard part
was selling the book. So you pour all this time
and energy into writing this book and nobody reads it.
Speaker 5 (48:27):
So how do y'all help them with marketing as well?
Speaker 4 (48:31):
Yes. So one of the biggest things that we encourage
people with is it's called the sow to grow method
of what we teach, So we teach you how to
create what we call a big seed. So a good
example of this would be like a free Bible study product.
So if you have something to sew, then you're going
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to grow. And so what we just encourage people with
is like, hey, if you've got a book and you
really want to serve people in consuming it, is, hey,
have a blog page, have a free Bible study where
people can watch you know that in action in terms
of the video you as an author or as a
minister and creating discipleship, helping people create community and discipleship
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around your message. And so you know, a big part
about the launch part that people it's kind of difficult
for them is that they don't understand that in order
to grow, you need to serve more people with your message.
So how do I serve more people with my message?
And that is where having a big seed to sew
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and reaching more people with it that's what we help
with in our program. So if you have something like
that that it's easy to consume your content and people
are getting a lot of value out of it. Well,
out of that, the book sales come because it's actually
already attached to something that they've committed to, and so
you know, I just really encourage people. You know. I
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feel like it kind of goes to your comment as well, Jeff.
You know, when you've got somebody who is looking at,
you know, getting something for free, you know, in ministry,
if that is their mentality and they're receiving something and
they're like not really valuing it and they're not putting
money toward it, then they don't really understand the value
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of their God given message.
Speaker 5 (50:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
So when you understand the value of what you've got
and then you realize, Okay, now that I see the
value I have, now I need to sew it to
many many people. It's kind of like the grocery store
where it's like you're not going to try something new
unless you get to try it for free. So, you know,
I always encourage people have something for free, for sample
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and for sale so that people can kind of get
in the door. And we help people with that in
the program in sowing their God given message.
Speaker 5 (50:52):
Good deal. Right, Well, the final do you have something
else to say, Regel? Oh?
Speaker 3 (50:57):
I mean that does want to encourage everyone that, yeah,
you your message is unique and you can touch the
world and the time is now to begin tending it
so that that plan to that that seed grows into
a great plant and bless many others.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Well, if you guys are are such a blessing to
the people that you serve and to me, you were
a blessing when you helped me Righte reachabull and I
appreciate that it had the opportunity.
Speaker 5 (51:23):
And buy you own echoes through eternity.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
We've been trying to get it scheduled for a while
and in a transition from from Atlanta to Nashville, it.
Speaker 5 (51:32):
Has got lost in the mix. But it's been great
having you guys.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
You one last question here, what would you say is
the echo you want your life and message to leave.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Behind for me? For me?
Speaker 3 (51:44):
For me, it's definitely that that God given message you
have inside that seed that He has given you is
the greatest message that you can have and you can
tell others in your entire life.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
So that's your greatest asset.
Speaker 4 (51:57):
Amen. Yeah, that people would be able to discover that
message or that God given gift and that they would
keep pouring it out and realize that, hey, this has
eternal impact. And something kind of cool is that we're
actually starting to serve people who are in private schools
through our program. There's different programs where we're able to
(52:18):
I think we're calling it like the Seed Launchers program,
but we want to start impacting people even in high
school and show them that hey, you've got a God
given gift and so to reach the next generation. And
I mean we all can have an echo. We all
whether it's through a book or are God given talent
to serve someone, whatever that is. Like, I pray if
(52:42):
you are listening to this podcast that you would discover
how God has called you to serve other people and
just start where you're at. If you don't yet have it,
just start serving and God will reveal that to you
and you will make an echo through eternity in Jesus name.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
What would you say is the echo you want your
life and message to leave.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
Behind for me?
Speaker 3 (53:06):
For me, it's definitely that the God given message you
have inside that sea that He has given you is
the greatest message that you can have and you can
tell others in your entire life. So that's your greatest asset.
Speaker 5 (53:19):
Amen.
Speaker 4 (53:20):
Yeah, that people would be able to discover that message
or that God given gift and that they would keep
pouring it out and realize that, hey, this has eternal impact.
And something kind of cool is that we're actually starting
to serve people who are in private schools through our program.
There's different programs where we're able to I think we're
(53:41):
calling it like the Seed Launchers program, but we want
to start impacting people even in high school and show
them that hey, you've got a God given gift and
so to reach the next generation. And I mean we
all can have an echo. We all whether it's through
a book or are God given talent to serve someone,
(54:01):
whatever that is. Like, I pray if you are listening
to this podcast that you would discover how God has
called you to serve other people and just start where
you're at. If you don't yet have it, just start
serving and God will reveal that to you and you
will make an echo through eternity in Jesus name.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
So one last time message launchprogram dot com was the website?
Speaker 5 (54:28):
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (54:29):
Go there, book a discovery call with Jenna and she
will She'll get on there and get you on the
calendar there and I promise you you will not regret it,
no matter how insignificant you think your message is it
is not. God is going to echo your message through
eternity and he will use Regel and Jenna to help
(54:49):
you do that because everybody needs some type of spark
in their life.
Speaker 5 (54:54):
So great having you, folks.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
Blessings to you, Thank you so much, Thank you Jeff,
thank you God, bless you so m
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