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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you remember me, yes, ma'am. Remind me where though, huh,
I said, I do for shure. Just remind me where.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I was at CRS. It was my first one and
I got to come down to when you crack me
up because we were like, I know where it's not
I'm gott to stay there.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Yeah, I ain't never been there.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Well, you come down now we have a place you
know you want to come down, you can perform. And
I hear you like to write bikes. Hear you like
to write dirt bikes. I'll hook you up at the
local dirt dirt bike riding group Doomsday. You'll love them.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Oh, that would be great. I made up with it.
And there's some awesome tracks there. We've been to Freestone,
We've been to Oak Hill. There's a couple of awesome
ones that I'd love to come check off while I
was there.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Oh, I ride a bike. I don't ride a dirt bike.
I ride a Harley, but you know, two wheels.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I want to keep them, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
So, Redfern, we're here to talk about a couple of
your songs. So when I was at CRS, you know,
all of the artists on the label, they had amazing
entrances and personally to me, or it's just stuck out.
I don't know why. Like I was like I saw
it and I was like, I loved your performances. You
perform Jack and Die Coke. I have that song stuck
in my head, Jacky Coke and you know your new SA,
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just like Johnny. Can you explain to the listening audience,
just like Johnny, what it's about?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, for sure. So you know, I guess the quickest
way to sum it up is Johnny and June. You know,
I've I've always looked up to Johnny Cash. He was
a big inspiration of mine. I love his songwriting and uh,
you know I I love his story too. He was
a hell raiser, but he had a big heart and
he got the girl in the end. And I think
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that's that sounds like most what most of us hope
for is to end up, you know, getting the rough
edges off and ending up where you want to be. So,
you know, as far as Johnny and June's story, though,
you know you've you've heard that I love you forever
even though you ain't no good, But you ain't never
really heard that I ain't no good, But please love
me forever? Right, So I've just thought I thought it
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was was a cool flip on a story that I've
always loved and thatired me. So, you know, it was
one of my favorite songs. I didn't expect it to
be everybody else's. It was kind of deep cut for
a while, so that was really nice to see it
see it take off.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
So how does that feel when you're performing it and
people are singing along to this song that you loved
and you weren't sure how the audience was going to
receive it and they love it? How does that feel?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Oh, it's been so rewarding. I mean, it wasn't two
years ago that I couldn't get forty people in a
bar and I was singing some of these same songs
but nobody knew them and they wasn't out so they
couldn't go find them, and it was just it's night
and day now. And yeah, yeah, I don't know. I
dreamed of it a long time. You know, you hope
to see a song do well like that, but you
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know most of it Jack and Dyke Coke. I posted
a man videos and got lucky and this one here.
I didn't post a single one other than the music video,
but other people, other people posted it and it went
viral because fans liked it. So then then I had
to start posting and catch up, you know. But it
was really sweet that, you know, the people did it,
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so it just it really gave me a little extra
confidence and just belief in my songs that if you
just tell your stories, somebody will find it and connect
to it, you know. So it was I'm sure thankful
for it. I still kind of came't out up what
it means. It's it's bizarre.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It's amazing to see because you know, in some of
the information I've read about you, they described it perfectly.
You have like a kind of take it or leave
it attitude, but it's not arrogant. It's like, this is me.
I'm not sorry for who I am, and what you
put out is quality. Because not only have you you know,
you write your songs and you sing your own songs,
but you used to write for Florida, Georgia, Line Nally.
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You even cut a song for Dean Brody in the
red clause I can't help myself, which so the listening
audience knows, set the record for the most one week
radio spins in Canada's history. I mean, you know, I
read that sentence over a few times. What do you
how do you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Oh? I mean when that happened, I would say Can't
help Myself was my first number one ever, and I
just I don't know, I think at first, you know,
at that point of the game, I was just like
hoping and praying that somebody would cut my song. I
wasn't never thinking about a record getting broke or a
number one. I just wanted to get it. I just
wanted to get it cut. And that song was originally
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supposed to be me and FGL and then you know what,
you know what happened there, so it ended up finding
a new home. And I don't know, it was just
special that we could take something that was very us
and somebody else could see themselves in it and sing it.
I mean that gave me so much steam to keep
trying and just made me believe there was something good
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in the songs I was writing.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, so you made the switch. You know, you're writing
these songs for other artists and to hear them sing
it at that point where you're like, wow, you know
you're maybe you know I can't believe that they're actually
singing your songs. What was the flip? Like, what made
you switch? Were like, you know they're having all these
success singing my songs that I'm writing. And I've always
wondered that about songwriters, like you never you know, you
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need to get more credit. So what was the switch
that made be like, no, I need to sing my songs,
like I need to put my stuff out there and
be the feast.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
That's a great question, I'd say, what caused me to
switch from a songwriting to artistry. There was kind of
two things. I would say. Around COVID time, everybody had
so much free time that even if artists didn't write
their songs, they started wanting to write their songs and
getting more involved. So at that time, as a songwriter,
I felt like, you know, nobody's touring, nobody's putting out
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as much music. The cuts kind of dried up. So
I just I had good traction for a second, and
then it felt like nothing was happening. So I wasn't
getting desperate. I was just getting hungry to figure something out.
And about that same time, Florida, Georgia Line started a
record label called round Here Records and they signed me
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and Raylynn and a couple other people, and they, you know,
they set me up really good. And right before we
put music out, we had a meeting with Warner Music
and they were just like family too. It was a
perfect fit. And thankfully, whenever FGL moved on from doing that,
Warner still kept me, so I still got to have
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a record deal. And you know, really it was just
I'd written like six hundred songs in a couple of years,
and I had about thirty cuts, So they're just like, man,
you got a big pile, you might as well sing
a few. You won't miss a few. Just put a
few out and see what happened. So it was really
just my friends encouraging me because I kind of gave
up on song on being an artist, to just be
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a songwriter. I was just thankful to do anything with music.
So yeah, it's really sweet to get to sing my
own stuff now.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And how do you go from dirt bikes to music?
Like what got you into music?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Well, when I was about thirteen, my dad brought me
a guitar home. He worked at Gibbs in my whole life,
and so I always loved picking and I always loved writing,
but I thought you had to make your band where
you were from. I didn't know you could come to
Nashville and there was thousands of guitar players.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
It just felt like way too big of a dream
for the size of town I was from. So, you know,
it kind of was on the back burner. But it
was something I did as a hobby. And yeah, when
I was racing motocross professionally, for some reason, Tyler Hubbers
bought a farm. Yes, ma'am. I mean I got to
do it for four years on the Arena Cross circuit
and it was as a dream come true. I didn't
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get to see it through like I wanted to, but
I got to do it. So that's that's way more
than enough for me. But yeah, for some reason, Tea
hub bought a farm in White House and he built
a dirt bike track there, and yeah, it was we
we were just dirt bike friends at first, and then
that kind of snowballed into the music thing. One day
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I told him I can't come to the track. I
got to go to the studio and he's like, what
do you mean the studio? What are you doing? I
was like, I'm gonna pay a guy to make a
song for me and produce it, you know, and they
started mentoring and introduce me to the songwriting the world,
and the rest is history. I had no clue about
any of it.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And now you're going on tour with Old Dominion. You
have a very busy tour schedule coming up. I mean,
how is that? You know, what are the best parts
of touring and what are the least favorite parts?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
That's a great question. I'd say the best part is
getting to interact with people and just see how they
engage with the songs and see what they mean to people,
you know, And that's been real rewarding for me. And
it's been helpful as a songwriter too, to see what
songs people respond to and what they don't. And then
and then I kind of start to find myself at
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the same time, and I kind of have a good
idea of what direction maybe I should have next. So
that's been a lot of fun. I'd say the toughest
part of the road is just sometimes you'll play a
really late show and then you'll load out till midnight,
and then you'll be up at three or four, you know,
to drive or fly to the next place. So it's
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super fun, but sleep's just hard to come by sometimes.
So you just got to get good at napping out
there because otherwise you just it's drained. It's a lot
of monster energy and just trying to push through.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Oh my god, I bet a lot of monster energy
and melotonin. And and it's different when you're going on
tour with another artist because then the people that you're
performing to, some of them may have never been exposed
to your music. So it's probably interesting to see going
to a concert where they're there for you, they know
they're going to see you, versus going somewhere where they're like, okay,
let's see how they respond. So that must be like
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exciting and nerve wracking, depending on how the audience receives.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
It right one hundred percent. You know, Like we played
Houston Rodeo recently and we got to do it twice
actually for the after party. First time we came like,
they were pretty quiet until just like Johnny, but they
get but they stuck with me the whole time, and
then yeah, I felt like we you know, we came
back three weeks later and I've seen a lot of
familiar faces and it was kind of like they went
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and checked out the music because this time they were
singing with me, and that was It was cool because
we don't get to double back places a lot, especially
not within a month of each other. So to see
that it impacted somebody enough to go check out the
songs was really sweet to me because you don't usually
get to know for a year later, and you hope
after a year they checked you out, But to come
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back so quick and they knew it was really special
to me.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Well, and personally, you were one of the artists where
I was like, Okay, Redford, like I put in my
cell phone. I was like, I got to go back
and listen to some of this other music. I loved it,
And so that's awesome. Yes, so you have a new EP,
some City Somewhere. What is the overall I hate to
use this term, what is the overall vibe of the
of these Yeah, for sure, explain it to the listening audience.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, so some City Somewhere kind of just explains my
life last year. You know, I felt like sometimes I'd
wake up and not even know where we was waking up.
It was just it was a new city every day
and along the way you know, I'm seeing so many
new places and hearing new kinds of music and new cultures,
and it was really inspiring for me. So I think
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that kind of inspired the sound. And you know, at
the same time that tour was going great. You know,
back home, some things are amazing and some things are crumbling,
So a lot of real life was happening at the
same time. So I would pretty much live something on
Tuesday and write at Wednesday, and it kind of last
year is a little bit of a blur to me,
but it feels like those are kind of the tent
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pole moments throughout my year here, good and bad that
I can look back and kind of remember what the
hell actually happened last year.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, that's something that people don't really pay attention to
or realizes you're on this. You know, they just see
all You're on tour with these people and you're writing
in music, and you get to different cities and your
life is still happening back at home, you know, and
people don't realize that. They just see like all the
lights and gold and shimmer and you know. So but
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that is, like you said, where you get most of
your music from from real life. That's happening. You can
only write about being a rock star country star so much.
It has to come from a place where you know
you got stuff happening in your life that maybe is
not so good, but that's what makes your music good.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Right for sure. I mean I used to try to
write what I thought people wanted to hear in vague,
open things, and then nobody related. And I feel like
the more specific and true I am, the more that
somebody can maybe find themselves in the details. I love that.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
So when you come to all pass so you can
start writing about the best Mexican food you've ever had,
the most beautiful the mess that you've ever met, and
you can I can't wait music.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I can't wait. I can't wait. I have a song
called Jack and Jose that I did with the with
the artist from Mexico and it is amazing and we
haven't put the album, but it's like a little too
close to Jack and Dyke Coke. Maybe I'll let that
air out a while. But yeah, I'm singing Spanish on there,
and I don't know Spanish, but he's singing it for
me and I doubled it and it it is such
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a treat, so I'll show you when I see you
next to it.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Only movie and whenever you come you got my contact
in fall take you out to show you the city
so rich.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
That would be great, I would I would.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Love to have you out here. Is there anything else
that you would like to tell the listening audience?
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah, I just really want to say thank you. I'd
like to tell you thank you as well. Just a
lot of people gave me a chance. I mean, I'm
rough around edges. I'm just a blue collar country guy,
and I feel like I kind of fell into this
as much as I dreamed for it and I've chased it.
I felt like I got pretty lucky to have a shot.
And I'm just thankful for people listening and thankful for
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everybody giving me a chance, because it's you don't get
to live one dream most of the time, let alone too,
and I don't take a minute of it for granted,
So thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Well, luck is just when work meets opportunities. So it's
all you, and you know, I think a big part
of it too, is that mullet you make it work.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Man.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I haven't seen something work a long time.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
So thank you. I ain't going nowhere good.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Red Ferend. Thank you so much for being here with
me today.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I appreciate you, of course. Yeah, thank you. Have a
good rest of your day you
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Too, By so