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July 3, 2025 14 mins
It’s LA’s favorite summer tradition, Shakespeare in Griffith Park! In this episode, Heather sits down with Melissa Chalsma, Artistic Director and co-founder of Independent Shakespeare Company, to talk about this season’s productions, the magic of performing under the stars, and how Indie Shakes is keeping theater free, bold, and accessible to all Angelenos.  Whether you're a Shakespeare superfan or just looking for something unforgettable to do this summer, you won't want to miss this! 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, theater lovers and shakespeare nerds, this episode is
for you. I am so excited because we're diving into
one of LA's most magical summer traditions Shakespeare and Griffith Park.
And joining me today is someone who makes that magic happen.
Melissa Chalsma, the artistic director and co founder of Independent
Shakespeare Company aka Indie Shake. And if you're cool like me,

(00:23):
that's what we call it. We call it Indie Shakes.
Melissa and her team have turned free Outdoor Theater into
an LA summertime staple, drawing thousands of Angelinos to the
lawn with blankets, snacks and a love for the bard.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Hi Melissa, Hi there, Heather, it's so nice to talk
to you.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
You too, Okay. As I said, this is one of
our family's favorite traditions every summer, and it's such a
uniquely La thing to do. Go to Griffith Park watch
live outdoor, not just theater, but Shakespeare. Let's talk about
what is new this season, what shows you're going to
be performing, and what people can expect.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yes, and I love that you say that it's a
family tradition. I think that's one of the things that
so many of our ensemble members and team love is
having watched kids grow up, you know, which is sort
of shocking sometimes to think, Wait, I've known this kid
since they were five, and then they're coming back and
there I'm going to college and I'm studying English Shakespeare

(01:22):
literature because you know, because of coming every summer and whatever.
It's just such a really interesting way to mark time.
And also it's just so lovely to see families come
your pun year. So thank you for mentioning that it
was your family one of your favorite traditions.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yeah, this summer is going to be a little bit different.
There's been a really long in progress project to build
a permanent stage in Griffith Park and the construction is
actually begun. So there's where we normally perform is a fence,
and if you look over the fence, there's a big
hole in the ground and it's and there's a lot
of work happening there in the park. So we're just

(02:03):
over the hill, still in the same location, and it's
this kind of little magical dell area and the audiences
around all sides of the stage, so it's just actually
it's really sweet and special, and there's lights in the trees,
and it feels very kind of, you know, cozy, intimate.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
So I think it's a really nice especially nice evening even.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
When it's hot.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
That area is very very shady, so it's just a
really pleasant place to be in the park. And we're
doing Love Slavers Lost, which is not so often performed,
very delightful kind of romantic comedy, and we're doing it
kind of in a Bridgerton feeling style of that era,
that of regency era, and the costumes are crazy good

(02:49):
this year. They're Scary Lennon, our costume designer's done an
amazing job.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
Everybody looks really stunning.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
So that we're doing Love Slavers Lost, And then for
our second show this season or coming up in August,
we're actually doing a Christopher Marlowe play, which is a
Shakespeare contemporary, and we're doing Doctor Faustus, which is about
a man who sells his soul to the devil and
then comes to realize that that's maybe not the best

(03:16):
choice to make, which seems like a good, a timely
lesson for all of us about what happens when you
make deals with devils.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
That's right, Well, let's talk a little bit about your
passion and you and your husband. This is a project
you guys work on together. This is an organization you
run together. Talk a little bit about your passion for
Shakespeare and the connection you have with performing in an
open venue like this. Why is this something important to you?

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Oh, that's a great question. I think For me, it's
the real key piece of it, I think is that
it's free, and so that I know that people who
maybe didn't grow up coming to the theater. It's a
lot easier to take our risks like that if it's free,
because a lot of theater tickets now understandably because of

(04:07):
the cost of producing theater, are very very high, very expensive,
and so many theaters really struggle with how do we
get people in who maybe you know, are nervous of outcoming,
or don't want to spend that or can't spend that right.
And I always feel like, you know, La is a
city of millions and millions of people who just don't
know how much they love theater yet. And so for me,

(04:29):
part of it is that it's free and that I know,
we know from our surveys and talking to audience members
that there are people who really didn't think of themselves
as Shakespeare lovers who come and sort of find themselves
in the plays and find that experience really rewarding.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
And I have always found Shakespeare extremely rewarding.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
So when I get that opportunity to share that with
people and have them discover their own love of language,
their own love of this kind of really.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Rich, fun body.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Works that Shakespeare row, you know, I think it is
a really precious gift to be able to give to people.
So I think that's why that's the freeness of it
is really the crucial aspect for me. And then outdoors
is just you know, it's it's a different performing outside.
It's much more it's less contained, it's a little more chaotic,

(05:22):
it's a little more unpredictable, and all of those things
I think make the productions really fun.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, you guys really do make such great use of
that space. You know, every year we go, we're curious
to see where the entrances are going to be, who's
going to be interacting in the crowd from coming from
you know, the back of the house, so to speak.
And it's really fun to watch how you guys challenge
yourself every year to play with that space. The physical

(05:53):
space of Griffith Park. And you know, one thing I
think it's important to mention too, is that everything you
guys do is donation based.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Is that correct, That's right, Yes, everything is. We Yeah,
it is donation based. We you know, we fund raise
basically all year and we try to get support from
foundations and government support, but individual donations are always have
been the.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
Biggest, by far, the biggest part of what we get.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
I think a lot of people kind of make the assumption,
I think, because we have Hollywood here in LA and
California is this creative capital or really creative state, that
there's a lot of arts funding in California, And that's
just actually never been true. And I think a lot
of people now are thinking, you know, have heard about
the NEA and all the issues with the National Endowment
for the Arts, But what they what people are less

(06:43):
aware of is those cuts happened in California at the
state level, the county level, the city level, and the
neighborhood level. So like, there is much less arts funding
now this year than ever before. And it's even so
that we really are relying on those individual donations, and
we're so grateful to the people that value that work
and value that proposition of Angelina's having a place to

(07:04):
come together and enjoy live theater together, you know, and
the people that feel that they're able to support that
were really really we couldn't do it without that partnership
for sure.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
So when people come to see the shows, they can donate,
drop a little five bucks in the buckets or twenty
bucks or whatever, or they can go online.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Donate five hundred, five thousand, whatever they're comfortable.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
With, whatever you're comfortable with.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, we have lots of you know,
I think fun ways.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
We try to make it fun to donate.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
We try to make it like a little bit, you know,
part of the show sometimes as well. And what's really
helpful to to us this year is you can go
to our website and when you RSVP that you're coming
that night, it's helpful for us to sort of plan
ahead how many people are there. You also get parking
maps and you get information. It's helpful and also that

(07:52):
opportunity to donate, So you can even do it before
the show as well if you are SVP. But yeah,
you can also come up after the show. Actors have
buckets and you can put some money in the bucket
or SCANDIC QR code and get a chance to talk
to the actors.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
We really love to meet our audience.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
That's one of the things I know a lot of
our performers really value is that, you know, a lot
of times in theater you don't know who's out there,
and like you said in Griffith Park, you really know
who's out there, like they're really part of the show.
So we love being able to thank them afterwards for
being part of the night.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
One of the things we started off this conversation with
was talking about the generations of people who are attending
this show, and I would like for you to speak
to a little bit to the generations of people who
may be finding a love for Shakespeare and for theater,
because it seems like in the world of video games,

(08:44):
and you know, my own kid, I'm guilty of this myself.
My own kid is plays a lot of video games
and she is also a theater kid, though. But trying
to appeal to your kids and show them different types
of mediums and and that sort of thing, to keep
that love of Shakespeare alive, because you know it's Shakespeare,
is not an easy concept to grasp. For some people,

(09:07):
it's written in a very specific style, and a lot
of people think maybe it's too bougie or elevated. How
do you keep it grounded and how do you find
ways to appeal to these generations of kids in order
to continue to foster that love of theater and Shakespeare.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
Yeah, that's funny.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
I do think that's true that people have sort of
a sense that Shakespeare is bougie. But Shakespeare as a
person was not remotely a bougie person. I mean he was,
you know, the son of a glove maker. He was,
you know, it was he was. And I think the
plays are really written in a way that he.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
Was very deliberate. Right.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
He called his theater the Globe, and he did that
because in his mind it was this place where everyone
could be, you know, And his plays have a lot
of really kind of the kind of comedy that and
Loveslaber's Loss actually is full of the most obscene double
entendres I think in all of Shakespeare. I don't think
young children it's fine, they're not going to get it, Like,

(10:07):
it's don't be afraid parents, it's nothing physically graphic.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Well no not.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
So you're like, well, wait, a minute.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Wait, Wait a minute, wait a minute, there's that once. No,
it's very Pg. Thirteen, and young children aren't. None of
it's going to you know, it's not obscene in any way.
But I do think that that is one of the
things we try to do is perform the plays in
a way where all of that liveliness and vitality is
on display, so that it doesn't feel removed or doesn't

(10:37):
feel intellectual. It is sometimes intellectual, but it's that there's
all of that kind of human element, and I think
that's really helpful. We try to make our shows really
really physical and really physically expressive in a way that
helps the language kind of enter into your consciousness in
a different way where you're also kind of able to

(11:00):
not worry so much about every individual word, but understanding
the flow of a scene, the intentions of the characters.
And we work really hard and rehearsal and making the
language clear. That's a that's the biggest focus for us
is you know, we really look at the verse structure
of the play. We really look at how to express
the words in a way where the language is clear.
Because you know, anyone really can understand Shakespeare. It just

(11:25):
requires a little work on both sides maybe in that sense,
and we hope we try to encourage the audience to
really listen, and we try to stage place in such
a way that the audience sort of understands that their
imagination really matters, that they have a big part to
play in that we want them to be part of it.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
We want them to engage with their whole selves.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
So I think that's part of it is we really
we think about all of those things and we really
try to embody that. And I do think children really
respond to it actually super super well. A lot of
parents have said they were really surprised how much their
kids liked it, you know, that their kids wanted to stay.
They thought they'd have to leave it intermission, but the
kids were like, no, no, we want to stay. And

(12:10):
we were doing our dress for hers last night and
one of the actors little daughters was there and you know,
there's a there was kind of a surprise moment and
after the show, I don't want to no spoilers, but
she was like I was you know, she commented on
that moment in.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
A way that was so.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
You know, she really got what was happening, and it
was like very interesting. She's maybe eight or seven or
eight years old, and.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
It was so smart and we gave them credible Yeah.
I think that's very true. I think that's very true.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
So I think all of those things together and all
the humor we add is you know that the students
where we bring.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
Out I should say not Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Plus they get to stay up late at night in
the park, and there's something to thrilling about doing that
as well.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
I love that.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
Okay, some people bring their kids.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Some people could bring their kids in pajamas, so just
in case their kids both asleep, the little ones, you
know that they can stay and so it's a little
bit of a camp.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Well maybe I'll come in my pajamas.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
Then that's again I support that with that's what we
should do. We should do Pajama night. There we go perfect. Okay,
you heard it here. First we're going to do Pajaminite.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
I love it. Okay, remind everybody the dates of the
shows again.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
Really wonderful. Yees.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
So Loveslabor's Loss begins tonight and then that's going to
run to June twenty seventh, and then we have a
week where there's no performances and then August fifth Doctor
Faustus begins and runs through Labor Day weekend and we
would love to see everybody there. It's free, it's outdoors,
it's magical, as Heather said. As you said, Heather, I

(13:38):
think it's absolutely magical as well.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
The Griffith Park Free Shakespeare Festival is happening right now
and you don't want to miss it. Thanks so much
for listening to entertain Me. I'm Heather Brooker. You can
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