May 29, 2025 • 40 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Satan hates marriages, Satan hates children, and Satan hates Christian
business owners.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
He would love for a business.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Owner to start with the right reason and then realize
he could double bill.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Tulsa Talks is the podcast that is inspiring people to
have everyday meaningful conversations to gain perspective and help the world.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Welcome to Tulsa Talks. We have Eric Thompson on our
podcast again and today today's topic is local business and
setting culture for the community.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Welcome, thank you, thanks for having me back.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
So how do local businesses set culture for a business
or how do you do that with your small business?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I think, just like anything in our Christian walk, because
that's kind of my core audience that people be targeting
are in a community. The churches are typically when the
city planners are putting together a city. Churches are pretty
foundational and having them throughout the city just for morality
purposes and for helping the community.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Men and women that are.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Walking with the Lord would be in prayer about starting
a business, and so I want to come alongside. And
I believe that healthy Christian businesses are good for all
communities throughout the town because, as you know, you're pretty
outgoing too. There's times when you may be selling potato
chips and sodas, but you're talking to a lady crying
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in your store about her husband. So I think having
Christians engaged in the business environment can be blessed by
the Lord financially, but they are also still ambassadors for
the Kingdom in that community.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah, and hopefully we have a good group of real
Christians that walk their life out and have those foundational
truths functioning through their lives so that they offer something
to people of value at value and don't try to
take advantage of anybody. You know, good people are hard
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to find, and hopefully if they're spirit led and church trained,
that they can set tone for a good community. And
how do you currently help people get more spirit led
or encourage them to be so and as well be
(02:31):
church trained.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Well, I think see key first the Kingdom of God.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Right, So if the people are if you meet someone
and they own a business and they have a fish
on their truck, but everything they talk about is how
they're going to be successful in business.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
You know, there is how I'm a Christian, but I'm
not going to talk about Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
The rest of our conversation. I just sometimes I think,
I think I've seen I've seen two main things. I
sold tens of millions of dollars of Yellow page ads
for the phone company when there's a thing called a
phone book. So you go out to people and they'd
be you know, what's your priority? Why are you in business?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
If you ask somebody why'd you start your company?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
You know, I was working for a guy and he
wasn't doing a good job.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
He's mistreating people. Okay, great, So how are you different?
Why charge a reasonable rate? Well, how's your everything working out?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Great?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So then if you're freed up, what do you do
with your time?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
So you're just You're just wanting to say, if you
own a business and you're asking people to give you resources,
give you money, and the discussion is Hi, I'd like
to have you on my podcast, mister business owner, about
being a guy, maybe in a trade where most of
the guys are beer drinking cussers, and how do you
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how do you you know, how do you how do
you get business inside the community if you're different than
the other people in the community.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Well, you know, I just pray and I just walk
my walk.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
So then in the community, the people get to know, Hey,
that guy came out, he did a good job on
my roof and he didn't overcharge me.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Well, now the walk is backed up with the work
right right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
And so then we can we can refer people to them,
we can pray with them, we can encourage them. And
if you have a network of people that are not
ripping people off that they are to light the light
of the world, then the community knows and God then
is using his children around the community.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
And I think it's just good for the morality.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I think it's good for the hope and and and
the people that are getting the customers are taking care
of them. So it's it's not a stain on the
on the community as of Christians. When the guy came in,
he's the only plumber in our neighborhood and he's ripping
people off.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
What about the guy that has the fish on his
truck and doesn't practice right, well, how do you you know,
what do we do with that? Because a lot of
that has happened. Maybe they'll have a Bible verse on
their truck, or maybe they'll have a peculiar name that's
from Christian agies and how do we function with that?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I am I don't believe there's a there's a there's
a separation.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So the church is the church, right.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So if there's somebody in a church and they own
a business and they're known for having the fish but
have a bad reputation, I think it's it's up to
the leadership of the church if it's brought to their
attention that you call the guy in because you're it's
all about Christ.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
It's not about our business. Personally.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
As someone who has a gift of confrontation from my
Marine Corps days, I'd have no problem over coffee saying
how is it the last three people that have talked to.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Me think you're a thief? Don't judge me, brother, You're Christian?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Right, Okay?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Well, the Bible says he used the Bible to correct
review teach and the monish, and so it's not about you.
It's not about your business. And I actually, if you
don't repent, I would pray God would take down your business,
but people won't do that. I'm not saying it as normal.
It's not because I'm special. It's because I think the
church it's we are to be we are to be
so at God's work that we don't get sucked in
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and love the world's system, making ourselves an enemy of
God and the church.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Our pastor is.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
It was interesting we talk about the Reformers used to
set Thursdays aside for church discipline every week. They didn't
let people misrepresent in the community. They didn't let people
walk around and be a hypocrite.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
They so every.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Thursday it's bring in the hypocrite day. And so there's
obviously balance. It's a big town in Tulsa. It's not
like you can run around checking people's But if God
allows you to have the opportunity to get one of
his children in your presence and you've heard something and
you just we go to what we're supposed to, go
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to our brother in love and say, hey, Katatia, the
last two people told me not to do business with
you because you're doing these things. So that's either loving
or you're just you know, you need to just leave
the guy alone. So I think we treat businesses, we
treat people that claim to be of the faith consistent,
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regardless if they're in a business or if they're just
somebody we're meeting for coffee. If you do that then
we're kind of policing in a degree that people in
our churches to make sure that they are not a
hindrance to the work of the Gospel.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I'm kind of an awe of how many churches there
are in Tulsa, I know, and from what understanding, there
is a mysterial alliance in Tulsa, and I plan to
see if I can go over there and maybe meet
with those people sometime soon. Because we are launching The
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Complete Peace Movement, which is a for profit company, because
I didn't want to be a nonprofit and have the
government tell me all little things that I do should
not do. I want to be able to be backing
whoever it is politically or any other way, and I
don't want the government to have that kind of thumb
on top of what we're doing. We want to flow freely,
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So that's why we are a for profit. In our
slogan for the Complete Peace Movement is I am one
piece which everybody can state that about themselves and Tulsa
talks is your voice matters. Your voice does matter, And
when I talk at something that reflects back to me,
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I'm telling myself your voice matters, and God will speak
through us talking about two set culture. And I've seen
a lot of people. I've heard a lot of people
get hurt by christiandom and people talking Christianese and leading
with that and then turning around and as one of
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the sayings goes, stabbing them in the back and not
having those core principles that a lot of these people
that are even say they use the word universe and
they have core principles of releasing energy and speaking life
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and their one degree off, which is a huge separation
and eternity. You missed the mark by a huge margin.
If you're one degree off, and they exclude Jesus Christ
and his ascension and all of that, that makes the
eternal difference. And I think that if we could help
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encourage Christians to be Christians and the ones that are
not to actually say they're not and just be boldly
embracing what the first century church is, that we could
probably get a lot more people into Christianity than are
right now because they think that it's a bunch of
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smoke and mirrors.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
And so I think that's a culture that could be set.
But even when even thirty forty years ago, when I
got saved thirty two years ago, even people that were
not called in my you know, they didn't they wanted
nothing to do with.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Jesus Christ, but there still was a that was like
a comfort to the community. Okay, I know you're a
Bible thumper guy, but you know what, I know where
to go if things fall apart. But if you have
businesses in the culture where people are they're just saying, like,
you're just like me, You're just like me, You're just
like me. Then when everything goes south, where do you go?
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If everyone if the guy down the street with the
fish on the van is the same as the guy
with the darwinfish, where do you go? And so the communities,
the community thrive when people use their gifts that God
gave them and use it in a way that capitalism
is is used properly, not as crony capitalism or trying
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to win. I don't think winning it should be an
answer in business anyway. It should be your You take
a product or service, you match it up with the
need of a consumer, and you make it work.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
That is a win.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
That's a win.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
That is the win.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, not that I'm winning. You know, I got tripled
I got tripled paid on that job.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
That's what some of these guys think is winning is
the highest profit I got.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
I got I made bank on that sale.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, but you know, I was the misfortunate of selling
cars for a little bit when I got out of
the Marine Corps.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
When we were in business, it didn't matter if you
had money or not. Now, maybe if you didn't have
money and you had a real need and you were drawn,
we were drawn together with that person. We might even
do a job for free. But we never did a
job for cut rate, and we never charged more. We
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had our set prices and we told our customers that
we have high value, high performance, high efficiencies, beautiful product,
and our name was known in the state of Oklahoma
and some of Arkansas for that business model. We told
all of our customers were just because you live better
or worse, or just because you're commercial and industrial site,
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everybody pays the same. It's just like if an industrial
place goes to Walmart and buys a roll of toilet paper,
or a residential person goes to Walmart and buys a
roll of toilet paper, they have a fair price for
a fair product. That's what we did. I think that
that's the best business model to have and somehow it'll
be like Henry Ford and learn find ways to be
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more effected, more efficient, automated. If you can bring your
people and train them, keep them, have a system in place,
and be able to outperform in order to be able
to make more, so you can pay your people more
and your customer gets something better, faster, smoother, Your people
get sport like gamified job that they love to go to,
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and they have something flowing through their lives, and then you,
as a business owner, maybe make just a little bit
more money than if you didn't have that systematic, gamified
approach to having fun in the community. And I think
that if all businesses functioned that way well. Competition breeds performance,
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brings people to another level of excellence, and a lot
of people think about what can they get out of
it instead of what can they give through it? And
even for a selfish person, competition breeds excellence. And I
also think that consumers should be educated.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yeah, which is when I won one of the national
trips in the Oellow pages that my manager goes, what
do you do? I said, well, I explained to the
business owner how I can get him leads and customers,
and then he makes an educated decision.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Then we part.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
We part with okay, Well, phone companies set the rates.
If there's a promotion, I'm going to give them the
discount on you buy an AD, you're getting add at
no costs. Some of the guys would I'll get you
half off the second AD.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Why you did it? You know?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
So I agree with you, I agree, but I do
want to stress also though for me my point of view,
I'm not opposed to people making good profit.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Yeah no, I just said. I just said, if you
gamify it and the efficiency see it, and you build
and you make the best that probably you're going to
make more, which is great.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
It's just everybody wins, I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
But that's the key is in Christ is glorified for
the Christian business owner in the efforts that.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Any anyway, now a non.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Capitalist or someone who's you know, this new Marxism coming
through the colleges where they look down on successful people.
That's obviously that's anesthetical to even talent. And you're given
the ability to produce wealth because the Bible says God
lifts up kings, takes down kings. He gives the ability
to increase if you giveing that ability, and you use
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it for you use it in a way that people
can say, you know what, great company, great products.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
More than may I wanted to pay, but I got
the value. That's and you don't have to be more.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
If you're more efficient much or better, then you can
be right in line or maybe even a little bit
less and increase your volume and you're already making more
per unit because you're more efficient, more effective, they're getting
a better deal.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
And you're just done great things. Not only that, but
you're people that go to work with you in that
culture of gamified fun, we're going to get something great done.
This thing, what we happen to do is going to
last longer than I am on life or on this world.
And anybody that worked with me, unless they repurpose the
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use of that land and we're able to go back
and say that came through me, that came through me,
look at that. Isn't that nice? And have that kind
of fulfillment because money flows, but the right culture. Let's
take technology. The television that's on the wall behind the
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camera there. You couldn't buy it fifteen years ago or
twenty years ago because they didn't make flat screens that
big and my wife and I bought one. I remember
twelve years ago. I think it was for eleven hundred
dollars for a fifty one inch.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I paid eighteen hundreds for my first forty two inch
television now, yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
And now they're down to three four hundred dollars. And
that's the same thing that indy industry can do. To
a certain degree. You should be able to hold your
prices more in line, or maybe even get labor in
line for a long for a long period of time
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because you're efficiency it up. And except for the last
few years, inflation has been kind of hyper so yeah, yeah,
have to go up during those times. But still with efficiencies,
you can help inflation stay in check. And I hope
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that's what our government's doing now, is trying to get
inflation in check and renegotiate deals and build a better
culture of international community awareness and fair play.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, and I think for the business owners.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
You know, I was doing political writing for quite a while,
and then AI started popping up years ago, and I thought,
I'm not going to do AI.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I'm gonna I'm going to make you know, I'm going
to stay true.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
But what there came a point where It's like what
you could get for the content you created wasn't a
lot for peace. So I had to adapt. So now
I can come up with the idea. I can put
the prompts in. I can say, I want to twelve
hundred word article about, you know, the how to how
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to maximize your profit in a construction company whatever, and
it'll it'll go out to the fifty sources and it'll
create this thing. And I just read it over and
I tweak it. But so business owners have to be
adaptable right now. But like you were saying, if they
adapt using technology, they can keep some of those employees
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because their margins will stay good and healthy as there
as they're maybe not going to get as much because
there's so many people that can now using AI do
the same field simply because they're not knowledgeable, they're just
basically regurgitating.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
So it's an interesting time. But to bring it all
back to this idea of community.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
And set culture, people are the same if they're being
touched in the community, and so they still are centers
and they still need Christ and they still go through
divorces and deal with fam members that got killed in
car accident or whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
So as business owners. I think of it kind of
like little islands in on each block. Right, we are
an ambassador of Christ in a business and trying to
make a profit, but also being open to what God
would have us do. And that's a beautiful thing. It's
what I grew up with in Iowa in the seventies
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and eighties. Back then it was Catholics, Lutherans and Baptist
but there was a lot of stability in our community
and people. You couldn't writ people off because people would talk.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Gulf is a large town, small city, got a million
plus people in the tulsammetro area, four hundred fifty thousand
last time I checked in Tulsa, the city proper, and
it's amazing how many people know that's right. They know quick.
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And if you're doing unscrupul unscrupulous things, it travels fast.
It travels a lot faster than if you're doing good things.
And fortunately we live in that type culture already, and
you've got a idea of how to build that culture
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better through guiding people to local churches that they might fit. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I mean, I'm going to be a for profit like
you in a in a church, but I'm not affiliated
with them, and I am the same way as you.
There's no way I would be a five O one
c as the way I let the government have any
say in what I do.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Because it's it's so fluid the Christian.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
The Christian walk as daily as you're inner meeting people.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
You know, it's it's fluid.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
There's there's a lot of people that you're going to
run across, and you can't say I can't say that.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I can't. I want to say that, you know, and
I just I just.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
It's when when the when the community is based around
people making much of Jesus and using their talents, it's
just I mean, we've all we've seen over the years
where a guy leaves a woman and they're not Christians.
All of a sudden she meets a guy and they
are a woman. They own a business, and then their friends.
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And I met her, she cut my hair, and next
thing you know, she's at church or kids are baptized.
And it's all because the lady was diligent to go
and cut hair and do a good job and be
nice to people and not have to make one hundred
and eighty bucks on a perm Maybe she made seventy
five bucks. But it's life changing and that and now
you were talking before we started. You know, we get
to see God work. We're a front row. God is
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working in front of our eyes. Is people that have
been set free, and it's a beautiful thing. And if
people and brain stat they and they serve using the
talents they have, God will bless them. And then we
as a community need to be pointing out that these
people are doing God's work. Yeah, which is where you
get that reciprocal benefit of the body of Christ.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Yeah. And we at the Complete Peace Movement Complete Peace
dot Com actually have a tool, an assessment tool called
Determining My Life's Work and it basically geared. It's geared
toward asking deep questions of an individual, letting them answer
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those questions and getting an answer to what they're supposed
to do for their career. A lot of people passively
just fall into whatever it is right and they're thirty
five to forty five years old and they're like, I
still don't know what I want to do. And when
they get to be seventy, they say, well, I wish
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I had And this is a note to my younger self.
I'm glad that I went through the journey that I
went through to be able to be equipped the way
that I am, because I wouldn't be who if I
am if I didn't do that. But if I found
that tool at a younger age, maybe I could have
went through it a lot more effectively, efficiently, like we
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were talking about earlier, with systematic approach, like the assembly
line that Ford made and just blew the waters off
of making new cars, just like Elon Musk is stamping
steel and putting cars together less expensive than the Big
Three and just rocking the.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
World sending rockets up to space to try to get
our people down because NASA is not doing it.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
I need come on, it wasn't as it was bowing,
bowing fell short, Okay, blowing fell short.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah they did so.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
So anyway, Yeah, there's a new way, and there's a
new people of God coming to life in our culture,
in our community, and there are a lot of tools
out there that we need to use, and we need
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to use them properly and keep them in their place
and make sure that they are tools and not gods
like you were talking about a while ago with that AI.
It's well, I just said, Elon Musk. He said there's
a twenty percent chance or excuse me, he said it
this way, there's an eighty percent chance that AI goes good. Yeah,
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twenty percent chance that it might not.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
You and I've been around a few years. I'm actually
about eighty percent it's going to go south. I do
I just I watch it what it's doing right now.
I just wrote an article using AI about general artificial
intelligence is about to you know, in the next year
your line.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, so right now, what you have.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Is this next year there's going to be this companionship
push where you really won't do anything. You know, Hey,
make my growachy list for me and set my auto appointment,
and next year will be we'll all be upgrading to
this just companions your personal assistant through AI, and it
will know, hey, last week, last.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Few months, you got a haircut.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
About this time you want me to go get your
haircut set up for you?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Really?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
A ninety four percent of gen Z's in a recent
poll said they would marry AI if it was legal
in the future, ninety four percent. So I think in
the Bible, I think it's pretty clear in the end
that when Christ returns the world we worship in the
Santi Christ, if it's whatever the form is, if it's
a AI generated deity, that Satan is working through whatever.
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But unfortunately, because just like when no On then were
building the boat, knowing that most of the people they
knew pretty much all of them are going to die.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
They still built the boat. The flood was coming right in.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Front of them, right they built the boat right in
front of me.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
And I believe there was knocking on the outside of
the boat and God shut the door, and I think
we have to be present. We have to unfortunately use
I didn't want to use AI, and I know it,
and I know it's going to have people that are
the virtual reality, this whole thing that's coming, the most perverse,
wicked stuff they'll ever picture through their minds will be.
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But we don't fear because we are aliens passing through
and our home, our eternal home, is heaven. So the
tools we have to use. If you own a business
and AI will help your profitability stay where it is
so you don't have to lay people off. You cannot
not use it now. It's it's it's been turned over.
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The people that are going to invest in these big
energy farms or not godly people from all these big
dot com companies that Elon Musk wants to plug you
into a.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Computer so you neuralinks so you don't even think anymore.
So but the exciting thing about all of this is.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
God is going to accomplish what he started, and we
get to be present in the midst of the art
being built, knowing that we will go through.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
So I'm gonna pick on your A. Sure, so you
resisted AI to start, how you've incorporated it. If everybody
else has neurolink and they are thinking faster, better, more efficient,
why would you not know that?
Speaker 1 (28:27):
To me, it's pretty logical, right. We don't give over
to being drunk on wine.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
We don't give our we don't give our faculties over
to anything outside of the Holy Spirit's control. Last thing
I'm gonna do is.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Give a a because we're creatures, to give a human's
the ability to have access to my mind, there's no
way in a million years. And the thing about AI AI,
you don't have to do the tools. So, for example,
we get done and I want to write an article
about what we did, I can sit down in twenty
minutes and write it out a word check and maybe
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have my wife look it over and say did you
mess up the paragraph? I'm done, Or I can go
down and say, tell me all about your website. Pull
up the content, pull apart of this clip. It'll be
done in two minutes. So I'm controlling the content, even
though AI was the one that assembled the content. So
as long as I'm in control of my faculties led
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by the spirit of God, then I'm okay.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
But there's zero chance, zero.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Chance I'm going to get in bed with or give
Satan access to my mind because the demonic I believe
we're in under heavy spiritual warfare anyway. I believe that
the demonic host is already keeping accounts of our activities.
It pretty much knows what gets us angry, what gets
us rolling, and it's.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
The thought life is getting hit, getting hit.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
What we put on the armor of God, we re
resist the fiery arts of that enemy. So I just
believe at this time, if we keep the main thing
the main thing, run our businesses in a way that
people are blessed, and resist anything that would pull us
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into the system, think God will use us and we
may end up like Paul. Well, you know, Paul, if
you go through visions and Glatians and clautions. He kept saying,
I'm getting beaten sense, I'm getting beat senseless for you,
But don't it's not it's.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Not a bad thing. It's it's okay. I am found
being found worthy like Peter.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
We celebrate in prison because we were found worthy to
be persecuted like Jesus.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
How does that go along? How does that align with
the prosperity movement.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Prosperity movement is demonic, I believe you don't. If your
focus is on materialism, then you're not You're not after
Christ's sake. If you're to think that the sovereign king,
who we are the slaves of the Duloi, can can
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say something, they gets the sovereign to acquiesce to our will.
You're just like Satan going. I could be like you, Yeah,
you don't want to be God's boss. No, hey, God,
you because you said let there be Like I say
give me a Mercedes, I say give me prosperity God,
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and God's like, you're out of your mind, creature And
John would say you're not a Christian. So the Philippians too.
So if I meet people, I don't care if it's
business or not. If I don't know them, and they go, well,
you know, I'm I rock in faith. Okay, Well let
me see your works. Well, no, I don't. I'm not
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under the law. I go, well, if you're not born again,
you are under the law. You just are deceived into
thinking you're outside of the law, because if you're not
making much of Jesus lifting him up so he could
draw all men unto himself, you're just like you're like
the guy in the desert with Moses son. I'm not
looking at the serpent to do it my way. I'm
not doing it God's way.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Yeah. Faith without works, Faith without works is dead.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
The thing about it is we should be so enamored.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
That holiness fellowships with us that we hate sin, and
sin is missing the mark.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
It could be anything.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
It could be me looking at a girl and I
walk out of this building and doing a double take
for no stupid reason because my flesh is evil. And
Paul said, I look inside and I see me warring
with myself.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
It's almost like he's bipolar. You know, I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Do this, but I keep doing this and the things
I know and there's this wretchedness that's taking place. And
then old time. We have this sanctification, we have this
justification in Christ. So though the Holy Spirit are saying stop.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
So how do you set culture? If the Romans Chapter
seven is the end of what people can be? And
that I refer that to as the do doo chapter?
What do I do and don't do? And do and
do and don't do.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
But then you go to eight and you can understand
the culture because when you get to there's no for
therefore no condemnation, and nothing can separate us from the
love of God and we are more than conquerors because.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
It's the realization, right.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
So it's it's it's that line where you come up
as a born again person and you go, oh, I'm wicked,
and then God puts his arm around us and goes,
but I love you and no one can take you
away from me, nothing can snatch you out. So go
and be present, be walk in this, in this walk
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in this reality that you cannot lose me and I
will never let you go. So then the see the
humility that comes in Filippians too, is when Paul says
opens up. He goes, hey, guys, if you really love
me as your teacher, as the apostle, do this make
my joy complete? Don't do anything out of selfish ambition.
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Put others interest above yourself. And if you want to
see how this plays out, have the mindset of Jesus Christ,
who being God, did not consider wrong to behold that position,
humbled himself. And really we can exit at that point
because we can't understand deity taking on flesh and all
that we can understand to a degree that sovereign holy love,
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predestined before the foundation of the world, at the point of.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Time enter flesh.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
That is so mind boggling. We should just say, Lord,
I am not good. I'm never going to be good.
I don't bring anything to the table, but that propreciation,
that fulfilling. Like Paul said, what I taught to this
is what was the most important thing in Corinthians. That
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Jesus Christ came according to the scriptures, that he lived
as sinful life, I mean to sinless life, according to
the scriptures, that he died according to scriptures, that he
was buried accordias scriptures, that he rose according to the scriptures.
So we have the sure word of prophecy, we have
the fulfillment of all things, and then we have Christ
(35:16):
who rose over five hundred people saw him risen at
the same time, and Paul's like.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Go ask people. They saw it. There's a bunch of people.
But then he ascended and he said, you know what,
go make disciples of the nations for me. And he
already told me and the Comforter's coming.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
This Holy Spirit is coming, the one who got the
forty men to write the Bible over fifteen hundred years
on three continents. He's coming, and he's going to lead
you into all truths. So we have the spirit of
God in us to help us understand. The word that
he inspired the authors to write is a confirmation. And
all we have to do is we just walk and
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step with the spirit. We love people, We walk boldly
in humility. We put others interest above our own. You
start a business, it should be you know, God, I
do I'm good at taking pictures.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
If you want me to be a photographer, I'll do it.
And then you get in the you do your due diligence.
Can I make money at it? Is there a markets?
Speaker 4 (36:14):
You know?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
What kind of costs? Would I have startup capital? Would
I get myself in debt?
Speaker 4 (36:18):
God?
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Would it be Okay, if I took on five thousand
dollars at the credit card debt to start this business,
I'm not hearing from me. Okay, hey, guys at church,
pray for me. I need about five thousand start a
photography business. Two weeks later, God put on my heart,
here's five thousand. Go start photography business. You didn't go
into debt. But make much, make much of the liberty
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we have in Christ with the realization that it's.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Every day we renew our mind. We renew our mind.
We take our thoughts captive. We've got our arm wrong.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
We're fighting off and it's and we walk and step
with the spirit. In reality, we're in spiritual warfare. And
even if it's in business or not. Satan hates marriages,
Satan hates children, and Satan hates Christian business owners.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
He would love for a business.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Owner to start with the right reason and then realize
he could double bill. That's that's so, that's that constant.
But if the church is healthy, then people in the
church go pastor. I talked to Bob, and he's just
people are saying something about him. Hey, elders, hey Bob,
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how you doing. Bible says that we're supposed to talk
to you about this. Can you could you explain why
people would say this, there are a.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Bunch of morons a pastor.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
So I think I think the community is blessed when
people walk and love people through their business. And I
think the community is very, very unserved and damaged by
people who use their fish to get clients.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
False advertisement, saying that you're a Christian when you're not,
and treating people people poorly through that process.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
It's just so it's so anathetical and not to labor
the point, but.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
You know, I just it is a The Bible is
very clear, it's.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
A fearful thing to fall into the hands of God
and better to tie a millstone around your neck if
you're taking people of faith and you're driving them away,
the children in the faith. And it's such a significant thing.
And this is why. Maybe it's my Marine Corps days.
Maybe it's because that way I grew up. Men must
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men must step up, say knock it off, even if
you're an old chubb you guy like me.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
So to conclude, culture and cultural relevance should be brought
to the community through the leaders of the community and
everyone involved. If you find yourself working for a company
that doesn't have the culture and the practices that you
agree with. Find another job. If you're dealing with somebody
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that has dealt improper things to you and have done
you wrong, tell somebody. Maybe we can help that person
grow through it or find something that they're really engaged
with with the right purpose and principles by doing what's
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right by them. Correction is not a bad thing for people.
It's what helps us grow and let us know what
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Speaker 3 (40:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
He would love for a business.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Owner to start with the right reason and then realize
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Speaker 4 (00:26):
Welcome to Tulsa Talks. We have Eric Thompson on our
podcast again and today today's topic is local business and
setting culture for the community.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Welcome, thank you, thanks for having me back.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
So how do local businesses set culture for a business
or how do you do that with your small business?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I think, just like anything in our Christian walk, because
that's kind of my core audience that people be targeting
are in a community. The churches are typically when the
city planners are putting together a city. Churches are pretty
foundational and having them throughout the city just for morality
purposes and for helping the community.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Men and women that are.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Walking with the Lord would be in prayer about starting
a business, and so I want to come alongside. And
I believe that healthy Christian businesses are good for all
communities throughout the town because, as you know, you're pretty
outgoing too. There's times when you may be selling potato
chips and sodas, but you're talking to a lady crying
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in your store about her husband. So I think having
Christians engaged in the business environment can be blessed by
the Lord financially, but they are also still ambassadors for
the Kingdom in that community.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah, and hopefully we have a good group of real
Christians that walk their life out and have those foundational
truths functioning through their lives so that they offer something
to people of value at value and don't try to
take advantage of anybody. You know, good people are hard
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to find, and hopefully if they're spirit led and church trained,
that they can set tone for a good community. And
how do you currently help people get more spirit led
or encourage them to be so and as well be
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church trained.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Well, I think see key first the Kingdom of God.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Right, So if the people are if you meet someone
and they own a business and they have a fish
on their truck, but everything they talk about is how
they're going to be successful in business.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
You know, there is how I'm a Christian, but I'm
not going to talk about Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
The rest of our conversation. I just sometimes I think,
I think I've seen I've seen two main things. I
sold tens of millions of dollars of Yellow page ads
for the phone company when there's a thing called a
phone book. So you go out to people and they'd
be you know, what's your priority? Why are you in business?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
If you ask somebody why'd you start your company?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
You know, I was working for a guy and he
wasn't doing a good job.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
He's mistreating people. Okay, great, So how are you different?
Why charge a reasonable rate? Well, how's your everything working out?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Great?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So then if you're freed up, what do you do
with your time?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
So you're just You're just wanting to say, if you
own a business and you're asking people to give you resources,
give you money, and the discussion is Hi, I'd like
to have you on my podcast, mister business owner, about
being a guy, maybe in a trade where most of
the guys are beer drinking cussers, and how do you
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how do you you know, how do you how do
you get business inside the community if you're different than
the other people in the community.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Well, you know, I just pray and I just walk
my walk.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
So then in the community, the people get to know, Hey,
that guy came out, he did a good job on
my roof and he didn't overcharge me.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Well, now the walk is backed up with the work
right right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
And so then we can we can refer people to them,
we can pray with them, we can encourage them. And
if you have a network of people that are not
ripping people off that they are to light the light
of the world, then the community knows and God then
is using his children around the community.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
And I think it's just good for the morality.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I think it's good for the hope and and and
the people that are getting the customers are taking care
of them. So it's it's not a stain on the
on the community as of Christians. When the guy came in,
he's the only plumber in our neighborhood and he's ripping
people off.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
What about the guy that has the fish on his
truck and doesn't practice right, well, how do you you know,
what do we do with that? Because a lot of
that has happened. Maybe they'll have a Bible verse on
their truck, or maybe they'll have a peculiar name that's
from Christian agies and how do we function with that?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I am I don't believe there's a there's a there's
a separation.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So the church is the church, right.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So if there's somebody in a church and they own
a business and they're known for having the fish but
have a bad reputation, I think it's it's up to
the leadership of the church if it's brought to their
attention that you call the guy in because you're it's
all about Christ.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
It's not about our business. Personally.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
As someone who has a gift of confrontation from my
Marine Corps days, I'd have no problem over coffee saying
how is it the last three people that have talked to.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Me think you're a thief? Don't judge me, brother, You're Christian?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Right, Okay?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Well, the Bible says he used the Bible to correct
review teach and the monish, and so it's not about you.
It's not about your business. And I actually, if you
don't repent, I would pray God would take down your business,
but people won't do that. I'm not saying it as normal.
It's not because I'm special. It's because I think the
church it's we are to be we are to be
so at God's work that we don't get sucked in
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and love the world's system, making ourselves an enemy of
God and the church.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Our pastor is.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
It was interesting we talk about the Reformers used to
set Thursdays aside for church discipline every week. They didn't
let people misrepresent in the community. They didn't let people
walk around and be a hypocrite.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
They so every.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Thursday it's bring in the hypocrite day. And so there's
obviously balance. It's a big town in Tulsa. It's not
like you can run around checking people's But if God
allows you to have the opportunity to get one of
his children in your presence and you've heard something and
you just we go to what we're supposed to, go
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to our brother in love and say, hey, Katatia, the
last two people told me not to do business with
you because you're doing these things. So that's either loving
or you're just you know, you need to just leave
the guy alone. So I think we treat businesses, we
treat people that claim to be of the faith consistent,
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regardless if they're in a business or if they're just
somebody we're meeting for coffee. If you do that then
we're kind of policing in a degree that people in
our churches to make sure that they are not a
hindrance to the work of the Gospel.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I'm kind of an awe of how many churches there
are in Tulsa, I know, and from what understanding, there
is a mysterial alliance in Tulsa, and I plan to
see if I can go over there and maybe meet
with those people sometime soon. Because we are launching The
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Complete Peace Movement, which is a for profit company, because
I didn't want to be a nonprofit and have the
government tell me all little things that I do should
not do. I want to be able to be backing
whoever it is politically or any other way, and I
don't want the government to have that kind of thumb
on top of what we're doing. We want to flow freely,
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So that's why we are a for profit. In our
slogan for the Complete Peace Movement is I am one
piece which everybody can state that about themselves and Tulsa
talks is your voice matters. Your voice does matter, And
when I talk at something that reflects back to me,
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I'm telling myself your voice matters, and God will speak
through us talking about two set culture. And I've seen
a lot of people. I've heard a lot of people
get hurt by christiandom and people talking Christianese and leading
with that and then turning around and as one of
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the sayings goes, stabbing them in the back and not
having those core principles that a lot of these people
that are even say they use the word universe and
they have core principles of releasing energy and speaking life
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and their one degree off, which is a huge separation
and eternity. You missed the mark by a huge margin.
If you're one degree off, and they exclude Jesus Christ
and his ascension and all of that, that makes the
eternal difference. And I think that if we could help
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encourage Christians to be Christians and the ones that are
not to actually say they're not and just be boldly
embracing what the first century church is, that we could
probably get a lot more people into Christianity than are
right now because they think that it's a bunch of
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smoke and mirrors.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
And so I think that's a culture that could be set.
But even when even thirty forty years ago, when I
got saved thirty two years ago, even people that were
not called in my you know, they didn't they wanted
nothing to do with.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Jesus Christ, but there still was a that was like
a comfort to the community. Okay, I know you're a
Bible thumper guy, but you know what, I know where
to go if things fall apart. But if you have
businesses in the culture where people are they're just saying, like,
you're just like me, You're just like me, You're just
like me. Then when everything goes south, where do you go?
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If everyone if the guy down the street with the
fish on the van is the same as the guy
with the darwinfish, where do you go? And so the communities,
the community thrive when people use their gifts that God
gave them and use it in a way that capitalism
is is used properly, not as crony capitalism or trying
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to win. I don't think winning it should be an
answer in business anyway. It should be your You take
a product or service, you match it up with the
need of a consumer, and you make it work.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
That is a win.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
That's a win.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
That is the win.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, not that I'm winning. You know, I got tripled
I got tripled paid on that job.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
That's what some of these guys think is winning is
the highest profit I got.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
I got I made bank on that sale.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, but you know, I was the misfortunate of selling
cars for a little bit when I got out of
the Marine Corps.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
When we were in business, it didn't matter if you
had money or not. Now, maybe if you didn't have
money and you had a real need and you were drawn,
we were drawn together with that person. We might even
do a job for free. But we never did a
job for cut rate, and we never charged more. We
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had our set prices and we told our customers that
we have high value, high performance, high efficiencies, beautiful product,
and our name was known in the state of Oklahoma
and some of Arkansas for that business model. We told
all of our customers were just because you live better
or worse, or just because you're commercial and industrial site,
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everybody pays the same. It's just like if an industrial
place goes to Walmart and buys a roll of toilet paper,
or a residential person goes to Walmart and buys a
roll of toilet paper, they have a fair price for
a fair product. That's what we did. I think that
that's the best business model to have and somehow it'll
be like Henry Ford and learn find ways to be
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more effected, more efficient, automated. If you can bring your
people and train them, keep them, have a system in place,
and be able to outperform in order to be able
to make more, so you can pay your people more
and your customer gets something better, faster, smoother, Your people
get sport like gamified job that they love to go to,
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and they have something flowing through their lives, and then you,
as a business owner, maybe make just a little bit
more money than if you didn't have that systematic, gamified
approach to having fun in the community. And I think
that if all businesses functioned that way well. Competition breeds performance,
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brings people to another level of excellence, and a lot
of people think about what can they get out of
it instead of what can they give through it? And
even for a selfish person, competition breeds excellence. And I
also think that consumers should be educated.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yeah, which is when I won one of the national
trips in the Oellow pages that my manager goes, what
do you do? I said, well, I explained to the
business owner how I can get him leads and customers,
and then he makes an educated decision.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Then we part.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
We part with okay, Well, phone companies set the rates.
If there's a promotion, I'm going to give them the
discount on you buy an AD, you're getting add at
no costs. Some of the guys would I'll get you
half off the second AD.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Why you did it? You know?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
So I agree with you, I agree, but I do
want to stress also though for me my point of view,
I'm not opposed to people making good profit.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Yeah no, I just said. I just said, if you
gamify it and the efficiency see it, and you build
and you make the best that probably you're going to
make more, which is great.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
It's just everybody wins, I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
But that's the key is in Christ is glorified for
the Christian business owner in the efforts that.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Any anyway, now a non.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Capitalist or someone who's you know, this new Marxism coming
through the colleges where they look down on successful people.
That's obviously that's anesthetical to even talent. And you're given
the ability to produce wealth because the Bible says God
lifts up kings, takes down kings. He gives the ability
to increase if you giveing that ability, and you use
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it for you use it in a way that people
can say, you know what, great company, great products.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
More than may I wanted to pay, but I got
the value. That's and you don't have to be more.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
If you're more efficient much or better, then you can
be right in line or maybe even a little bit
less and increase your volume and you're already making more
per unit because you're more efficient, more effective, they're getting
a better deal.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
And you're just done great things. Not only that, but
you're people that go to work with you in that
culture of gamified fun, we're going to get something great done.
This thing, what we happen to do is going to
last longer than I am on life or on this world.
And anybody that worked with me, unless they repurpose the
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use of that land and we're able to go back
and say that came through me, that came through me,
look at that. Isn't that nice? And have that kind
of fulfillment because money flows, but the right culture. Let's
take technology. The television that's on the wall behind the
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camera there. You couldn't buy it fifteen years ago or
twenty years ago because they didn't make flat screens that
big and my wife and I bought one. I remember
twelve years ago. I think it was for eleven hundred
dollars for a fifty one inch.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I paid eighteen hundreds for my first forty two inch
television now, yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
And now they're down to three four hundred dollars. And
that's the same thing that indy industry can do. To
a certain degree. You should be able to hold your
prices more in line, or maybe even get labor in
line for a long for a long period of time
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because you're efficiency it up. And except for the last
few years, inflation has been kind of hyper so yeah, yeah,
have to go up during those times. But still with efficiencies,
you can help inflation stay in check. And I hope
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that's what our government's doing now, is trying to get
inflation in check and renegotiate deals and build a better
culture of international community awareness and fair play.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, and I think for the business owners.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
You know, I was doing political writing for quite a while,
and then AI started popping up years ago, and I thought,
I'm not going to do AI.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I'm gonna I'm going to make you know, I'm going
to stay true.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
But what there came a point where It's like what
you could get for the content you created wasn't a
lot for peace. So I had to adapt. So now
I can come up with the idea. I can put
the prompts in. I can say, I want to twelve
hundred word article about, you know, the how to how
(19:00):
to maximize your profit in a construction company whatever, and
it'll it'll go out to the fifty sources and it'll
create this thing. And I just read it over and
I tweak it. But so business owners have to be
adaptable right now. But like you were saying, if they
adapt using technology, they can keep some of those employees
(19:21):
because their margins will stay good and healthy as there
as they're maybe not going to get as much because
there's so many people that can now using AI do
the same field simply because they're not knowledgeable, they're just
basically regurgitating.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
So it's an interesting time. But to bring it all
back to this idea of community.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
And set culture, people are the same if they're being
touched in the community, and so they still are centers
and they still need Christ and they still go through
divorces and deal with fam members that got killed in
car accident or whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
So as business owners. I think of it kind of
like little islands in on each block. Right, we are
an ambassador of Christ in a business and trying to
make a profit, but also being open to what God
would have us do. And that's a beautiful thing. It's
what I grew up with in Iowa in the seventies
(20:23):
and eighties. Back then it was Catholics, Lutherans and Baptist
but there was a lot of stability in our community
and people. You couldn't writ people off because people would talk.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Gulf is a large town, small city, got a million
plus people in the tulsammetro area, four hundred fifty thousand
last time I checked in Tulsa, the city proper, and
it's amazing how many people know that's right. They know quick.
(20:57):
And if you're doing unscrupul unscrupulous things, it travels fast.
It travels a lot faster than if you're doing good things.
And fortunately we live in that type culture already, and
you've got a idea of how to build that culture
(21:20):
better through guiding people to local churches that they might fit. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I mean, I'm going to be a for profit like
you in a in a church, but I'm not affiliated
with them, and I am the same way as you.
There's no way I would be a five O one
c as the way I let the government have any
say in what I do.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Because it's it's so fluid the Christian.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
The Christian walk as daily as you're inner meeting people.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
You know, it's it's fluid.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
There's there's a lot of people that you're going to
run across, and you can't say I can't say that.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I can't. I want to say that, you know, and
I just I just.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
It's when when the when the community is based around
people making much of Jesus and using their talents, it's
just I mean, we've all we've seen over the years
where a guy leaves a woman and they're not Christians.
All of a sudden she meets a guy and they
are a woman. They own a business, and then their friends.
(22:29):
And I met her, she cut my hair, and next
thing you know, she's at church or kids are baptized.
And it's all because the lady was diligent to go
and cut hair and do a good job and be
nice to people and not have to make one hundred
and eighty bucks on a perm Maybe she made seventy
five bucks. But it's life changing and that and now
you were talking before we started. You know, we get
to see God work. We're a front row. God is
(22:53):
working in front of our eyes. Is people that have
been set free, and it's a beautiful thing. And if
people and brain stat they and they serve using the
talents they have, God will bless them. And then we
as a community need to be pointing out that these
people are doing God's work. Yeah, which is where you
get that reciprocal benefit of the body of Christ.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Yeah. And we at the Complete Peace Movement Complete Peace
dot Com actually have a tool, an assessment tool called
Determining My Life's Work and it basically geared. It's geared
toward asking deep questions of an individual, letting them answer
(23:36):
those questions and getting an answer to what they're supposed
to do for their career. A lot of people passively
just fall into whatever it is right and they're thirty
five to forty five years old and they're like, I
still don't know what I want to do. And when
they get to be seventy, they say, well, I wish
(23:57):
I had And this is a note to my younger self.
I'm glad that I went through the journey that I
went through to be able to be equipped the way
that I am, because I wouldn't be who if I
am if I didn't do that. But if I found
that tool at a younger age, maybe I could have
went through it a lot more effectively, efficiently, like we
(24:19):
were talking about earlier, with systematic approach, like the assembly
line that Ford made and just blew the waters off
of making new cars, just like Elon Musk is stamping
steel and putting cars together less expensive than the Big
Three and just rocking the.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
World sending rockets up to space to try to get
our people down because NASA is not doing it.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
I need come on, it wasn't as it was bowing,
bowing fell short, Okay, blowing fell short.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah they did so.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
So anyway, Yeah, there's a new way, and there's a
new people of God coming to life in our culture,
in our community, and there are a lot of tools
out there that we need to use, and we need
(25:10):
to use them properly and keep them in their place
and make sure that they are tools and not gods
like you were talking about a while ago with that AI.
It's well, I just said, Elon Musk. He said there's
a twenty percent chance or excuse me, he said it
this way, there's an eighty percent chance that AI goes good. Yeah,
(25:34):
twenty percent chance that it might not.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
You and I've been around a few years. I'm actually
about eighty percent it's going to go south. I do
I just I watch it what it's doing right now.
I just wrote an article using AI about general artificial
intelligence is about to you know, in the next year
your line.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, so right now, what you have.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Is this next year there's going to be this companionship
push where you really won't do anything. You know, Hey,
make my growachy list for me and set my auto appointment,
and next year will be we'll all be upgrading to
this just companions your personal assistant through AI, and it
will know, hey, last week, last.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Few months, you got a haircut.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
About this time you want me to go get your
haircut set up for you?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Really?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
A ninety four percent of gen Z's in a recent
poll said they would marry AI if it was legal
in the future, ninety four percent. So I think in
the Bible, I think it's pretty clear in the end
that when Christ returns the world we worship in the
Santi Christ, if it's whatever the form is, if it's
a AI generated deity, that Satan is working through whatever.
(26:39):
But unfortunately, because just like when no On then were
building the boat, knowing that most of the people they
knew pretty much all of them are going to die.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
They still built the boat. The flood was coming right in.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Front of them, right they built the boat right in
front of me.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
And I believe there was knocking on the outside of
the boat and God shut the door, and I think
we have to be present. We have to unfortunately use
I didn't want to use AI, and I know it,
and I know it's going to have people that are
the virtual reality, this whole thing that's coming, the most perverse,
wicked stuff they'll ever picture through their minds will be.
(27:16):
But we don't fear because we are aliens passing through
and our home, our eternal home, is heaven. So the
tools we have to use. If you own a business
and AI will help your profitability stay where it is
so you don't have to lay people off. You cannot
not use it now. It's it's it's been turned over.
(27:38):
The people that are going to invest in these big
energy farms or not godly people from all these big
dot com companies that Elon Musk wants to plug you
into a.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Computer so you neuralinks so you don't even think anymore.
So but the exciting thing about all of this is.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
God is going to accomplish what he started, and we
get to be present in the midst of the art
being built, knowing that we will go through.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
So I'm gonna pick on your A. Sure, so you
resisted AI to start, how you've incorporated it. If everybody
else has neurolink and they are thinking faster, better, more efficient,
why would you not know that?
Speaker 1 (28:27):
To me, it's pretty logical, right. We don't give over
to being drunk on wine.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
We don't give our we don't give our faculties over
to anything outside of the Holy Spirit's control. Last thing
I'm gonna do is.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Give a a because we're creatures, to give a human's
the ability to have access to my mind, there's no
way in a million years. And the thing about AI AI,
you don't have to do the tools. So, for example,
we get done and I want to write an article
about what we did, I can sit down in twenty
minutes and write it out a word check and maybe
(29:01):
have my wife look it over and say did you
mess up the paragraph? I'm done, Or I can go
down and say, tell me all about your website. Pull
up the content, pull apart of this clip. It'll be
done in two minutes. So I'm controlling the content, even
though AI was the one that assembled the content. So
as long as I'm in control of my faculties led
(29:21):
by the spirit of God, then I'm okay.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
But there's zero chance, zero.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Chance I'm going to get in bed with or give
Satan access to my mind because the demonic I believe
we're in under heavy spiritual warfare anyway. I believe that
the demonic host is already keeping accounts of our activities.
It pretty much knows what gets us angry, what gets
us rolling, and it's.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
The thought life is getting hit, getting hit.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
What we put on the armor of God, we re
resist the fiery arts of that enemy. So I just
believe at this time, if we keep the main thing
the main thing, run our businesses in a way that
people are blessed, and resist anything that would pull us
(30:08):
into the system, think God will use us and we
may end up like Paul. Well, you know, Paul, if
you go through visions and Glatians and clautions. He kept saying,
I'm getting beaten sense, I'm getting beat senseless for you,
But don't it's not it's.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Not a bad thing. It's it's okay. I am found
being found worthy like Peter.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
We celebrate in prison because we were found worthy to
be persecuted like Jesus.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
How does that go along? How does that align with
the prosperity movement.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Prosperity movement is demonic, I believe you don't. If your
focus is on materialism, then you're not You're not after
Christ's sake. If you're to think that the sovereign king,
who we are the slaves of the Duloi, can can
(30:58):
say something, they gets the sovereign to acquiesce to our will.
You're just like Satan going. I could be like you, Yeah,
you don't want to be God's boss. No, hey, God,
you because you said let there be Like I say
give me a Mercedes, I say give me prosperity God,
(31:19):
and God's like, you're out of your mind, creature And
John would say you're not a Christian. So the Philippians too.
So if I meet people, I don't care if it's
business or not. If I don't know them, and they go, well,
you know, I'm I rock in faith. Okay, Well let
me see your works. Well, no, I don't. I'm not
(31:42):
under the law. I go, well, if you're not born again,
you are under the law. You just are deceived into
thinking you're outside of the law, because if you're not
making much of Jesus lifting him up so he could
draw all men unto himself, you're just like you're like
the guy in the desert with Moses son. I'm not
looking at the serpent to do it my way. I'm
not doing it God's way.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Yeah. Faith without works, Faith without works is dead.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
The thing about it is we should be so enamored.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
That holiness fellowships with us that we hate sin, and
sin is missing the mark.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
It could be anything.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
It could be me looking at a girl and I
walk out of this building and doing a double take
for no stupid reason because my flesh is evil. And
Paul said, I look inside and I see me warring
with myself.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
It's almost like he's bipolar. You know, I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Do this, but I keep doing this and the things
I know and there's this wretchedness that's taking place. And
then old time. We have this sanctification, we have this
justification in Christ. So though the Holy Spirit are saying stop.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
So how do you set culture? If the Romans Chapter
seven is the end of what people can be? And
that I refer that to as the do doo chapter?
What do I do and don't do? And do and
do and don't do.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
But then you go to eight and you can understand
the culture because when you get to there's no for
therefore no condemnation, and nothing can separate us from the
love of God and we are more than conquerors because.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
It's the realization, right.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
So it's it's it's that line where you come up
as a born again person and you go, oh, I'm wicked,
and then God puts his arm around us and goes,
but I love you and no one can take you
away from me, nothing can snatch you out. So go
and be present, be walk in this, in this walk
(33:40):
in this reality that you cannot lose me and I
will never let you go. So then the see the
humility that comes in Filippians too, is when Paul says
opens up. He goes, hey, guys, if you really love
me as your teacher, as the apostle, do this make
my joy complete? Don't do anything out of selfish ambition.
(34:02):
Put others interest above yourself. And if you want to
see how this plays out, have the mindset of Jesus Christ,
who being God, did not consider wrong to behold that position,
humbled himself. And really we can exit at that point
because we can't understand deity taking on flesh and all
that we can understand to a degree that sovereign holy love,
(34:27):
predestined before the foundation of the world, at the point of.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Time enter flesh.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
That is so mind boggling. We should just say, Lord,
I am not good. I'm never going to be good.
I don't bring anything to the table, but that propreciation,
that fulfilling. Like Paul said, what I taught to this
is what was the most important thing in Corinthians. That
(34:55):
Jesus Christ came according to the scriptures, that he lived
as sinful life, I mean to sinless life, according to
the scriptures, that he died according to scriptures, that he
was buried accordias scriptures, that he rose according to the scriptures.
So we have the sure word of prophecy, we have
the fulfillment of all things, and then we have Christ
(35:16):
who rose over five hundred people saw him risen at
the same time, and Paul's like.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Go ask people. They saw it. There's a bunch of people.
But then he ascended and he said, you know what,
go make disciples of the nations for me. And he
already told me and the Comforter's coming.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
This Holy Spirit is coming, the one who got the
forty men to write the Bible over fifteen hundred years
on three continents. He's coming, and he's going to lead
you into all truths. So we have the spirit of
God in us to help us understand. The word that
he inspired the authors to write is a confirmation. And
all we have to do is we just walk and
(35:55):
step with the spirit. We love people, We walk boldly
in humility. We put others interest above our own. You
start a business, it should be you know, God, I
do I'm good at taking pictures.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
If you want me to be a photographer, I'll do it.
And then you get in the you do your due diligence.
Can I make money at it? Is there a markets?
Speaker 4 (36:14):
You know?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
What kind of costs? Would I have startup capital? Would
I get myself in debt?
Speaker 4 (36:18):
God?
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Would it be Okay, if I took on five thousand
dollars at the credit card debt to start this business,
I'm not hearing from me. Okay, hey, guys at church,
pray for me. I need about five thousand start a
photography business. Two weeks later, God put on my heart,
here's five thousand. Go start photography business. You didn't go
into debt. But make much, make much of the liberty
(36:41):
we have in Christ with the realization that it's.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Every day we renew our mind. We renew our mind.
We take our thoughts captive. We've got our arm wrong.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
We're fighting off and it's and we walk and step
with the spirit. In reality, we're in spiritual warfare. And
even if it's in business or not. Satan hates marriages,
Satan hates children, and Satan hates Christian business owners.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
He would love for a business.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Owner to start with the right reason and then realize
he could double bill. That's that's so, that's that constant.
But if the church is healthy, then people in the
church go pastor. I talked to Bob, and he's just
people are saying something about him. Hey, elders, hey Bob,
(37:25):
how you doing. Bible says that we're supposed to talk
to you about this. Can you could you explain why
people would say this, there are a.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Bunch of morons a pastor.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
So I think I think the community is blessed when
people walk and love people through their business. And I
think the community is very, very unserved and damaged by
people who use their fish to get clients.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
False advertisement, saying that you're a Christian when you're not,
and treating people people poorly through that process.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
It's just so it's so anathetical and not to labor
the point, but.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
You know, I just it is a The Bible is
very clear, it's.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
A fearful thing to fall into the hands of God
and better to tie a millstone around your neck if
you're taking people of faith and you're driving them away,
the children in the faith. And it's such a significant thing.
And this is why. Maybe it's my Marine Corps days.
Maybe it's because that way I grew up. Men must
(38:41):
men must step up, say knock it off, even if
you're an old chubb you guy like me.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
So to conclude, culture and cultural relevance should be brought
to the community through the leaders of the community and
everyone involved. If you find yourself working for a company
that doesn't have the culture and the practices that you
agree with. Find another job. If you're dealing with somebody
(39:12):
that has dealt improper things to you and have done
you wrong, tell somebody. Maybe we can help that person
grow through it or find something that they're really engaged
with with the right purpose and principles by doing what's
(39:36):
right by them. Correction is not a bad thing for people.
It's what helps us grow and let us know what
you think that The Complete Peace Movement. Completepeace dot Com
is our website where we are all one piece and
(39:58):
we have this slogan I am one piece and Tulsa
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Speaker 3 (40:09):
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