Red Wings Collapse and Lions NFL Draft I Ermanni & Edwards with Maz I Wednesday, April 9th, 2025

Ryan and Braylon are in today (Maz with a day off) along with Pete and Ricky on the dials. Today's Guest: Carl Bentley, CEO of First Tee Greater Detroit, as they host the 3rd annual Augusta Watch Party presented by Rocket Mortgage, this Saturday from 3-7pm at the Henry Ford Health Pistons Performance Center

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's two pm Detroit, and you know what that means.
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Speaker 3 (00:23):
Hey, let's go Wednesday Show April nine, twenty twenty five
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Lots going on today, so let's get right to it.

(00:45):
Brailer Edwards, good afternoon to a good looking individual.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
My good man.

Speaker 5 (00:52):
I appreciate that. Look, it's definitely a great afternoon. After
you told me the money was up. So the money
is up from all the way up. No, we're feeling
good man. I wouldn't let a friend of mine who
works over at u WM he had me up there.
You got a chance to hang out with the guys
over there. You're not a hotel mortgar, so it was interesting.
A lot of money spent over that place and a
lot of steps that.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
You got to go from place to place to place.
But hear what you guys ready rock and.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Roll top mass way along momentarily. But first do we
say hello to Ricky Burns.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
How you doing today?

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Very very good, mister Peach five.

Speaker 6 (01:22):
Good afternoon, gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
How are you doing fantastic? First of all, in a
really good mood today. Believe I was about to say,
your energy is really good today.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
I like dagger rookie right there, feed on some of
that energy right there. Yeah, look at you. What are
you eating over there? Some fruit? Man, it's a little
fruit salat you got going on? Right here? Pause? Right.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
I feel like whenever you have to go to the
most dreaded place ever, which is the dentist. Oh, I
feel like the whole process of the day before you
get to dentist is making sure your teeth their is
clean as you can get them. Put in the most
healthy things in your body. You can't offer them to
tell you that you don't flaws.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
I love going to the dentist. You really the only
person in the world I am. I am the only
person in the world that loves going to the dentist.

Speaker 5 (02:06):
But you stay. Have you stayed on it six months?

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (02:09):
I do.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
But the reason that I love going to the dentist
the gas I get every time, even the teeth cleaning.
Really it's not a I'm not out cold, but I am.
I guess I've never done that my teeth sensitivity. One
time years ago, I was like, man, this really hurts
my teeth sensitivity, and they gave me the gas. And

(02:32):
I've never not had the gas now for this, and
I do have to pay extra. It does comment a cost.
It's not covered by insurance all that big money, but
it's not that big of a cost unless I'm getting
a little bit of a discount, which I don't think
I am, but I never get my self it is
the best twilight.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Yeah. Possibly. So here's a personal question for you.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
On some of these days when you're not getting your
teeth clean, do you find yourself at the it's like
getting game?

Speaker 4 (03:02):
Let us know, let us know.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
That is not the case. But I did feel like
watching the Red Wings game last night was a little
bit like being in the dentist chair. Because if that
was not a microcosm of this entire season, I don't
know what was they miss a wide open net that
would have put them up to nothing. Lucas Raymond misses

(03:28):
the net on a breakaway, a helmet falls off and
putting the helmet on, leave your guy right in front
of the net point blank scores the go ahead goal.
Everything about last night's game, Brailan just spoke about where
this team is for the season. Now it's over. The

(03:51):
season is over. And even though they're mathematically alive, that
was a four point swing last night. Instead of being
down four points with a regulation win, they are now
down eight points. I don't care what the schedule says.
You know the coffin is closed on twenty twenty five.
Is the coffin closed on Steve Eiserman? And I think

(04:12):
that is the question today. I am not in this
conversation about the Detroit Red Wings here for a moment.
I want to go on record right from the start.
I do not believe Steve Eiserman should be fired, because
Steve Eiserman will not be fired, and I do not

(04:34):
have the expertise. I'm just gonna be totally honest with
you right now. If this is football, if this is baseball,
even basketball, to a certain extent, I would have a
replacement for you, short of me having a replacement for
you and the deep knowledge about that. I am not
going to say that this man should be fired because

(04:56):
I'm not qualified to tell you that Steve Eiserman should
be fired. I am qualified to tell you that something
is very wrong with this franchise. Something is deeply wrong
with this franchise. Half the league makes the playoffs, Braylan
half the league and in six years.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
And again, I don't care what the salary cap was,
what what draft picks you have? Okay you didn't have one,
two or three or anything like that. Who is bogging
you down in terms of cap space and dead cap
and all that stuff. I don't care about that. What

(05:37):
I do care about is six years is plenty long
enough to be in the top half of the league
in my opinion, and this team has a lot of
work to do. A long road ahead for this team.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
Last night didn't surprise me.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
I mean, it sucks because I still think it, just
as a Detroiter native Detroiter. Even though I said I
know they weren't gonna make it, it's over, you still
have that little bit of optimism down in there. You
hope something goes your way like I did last year
for the Tigers. So last night killed that. This is
a safe space.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
All right.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
We're gonna call this a safe space for people that
are for Steve Eisman, people that are four what's going on,
and people that are for not. This is a safe
space however you want to feel. This is what I
will say. If the general manager of the excuse me,
if the president of the Detroit Reds Wings name wasn't
Stevie Eisman, Let's just operate from this space. If it

(06:31):
was not Steve Eisman. Six years, you held onto a
coach for a year and a half too long.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
You didn't bring in.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
The players that you could have two years ago. Now
you did go out and try to get the players,
and those deals just getting they didn't get done. But
I just don't think enough has been done in six years,
especially coming in with a cachet of a GM that
has has built it before.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
You saw him build it down there in Tampa.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
He's come up here hasn't seemed to work, you know,
and you know the NHL hasn't helped with the draft
picks and the positions that they've been picking. But at
what point do you start making excuses. I love Steve
Eisman to death. If his name was not Steve Iisman,
I don't believe they'll be here. But also, it's like
you said, it's not basketball or football, which I know
a lot bit more about.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
This is hockey.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
I don't know if it's a seven year process or
an eight year process. I don't know if firing Derek
Glalone and bring in Tom McClellan what they did. He
needs another year as a head coach. So I'm of
the mind where it's.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
A safe space.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
Hey, if you want to allow him another season to
see what you get out of clelling, then I'm all
for that. But at what point do you start pressing
the buttons? At what point is it okay what you
did in the nineties in two thousand is not how
we're gonna view what's going on in the twenty twenties.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
You make a great point, Steve Eiserman is royalty in
this town. Throw up any Mount Rushmore you want in
Detroit sports. Steve Eiserman is on ninety percent, to be honest,
ninety percent of the list. He's on a Mount Rushmore.
This thing has not worked out. It is a results

(08:09):
oriented business and after six years to not be in
the top half of the league, to even make the playoffs.
You know, it took seven years to win a Stanley
Cup in Tampa. They're nowhere near winning a Stanley Cup.
We're just talking about making the playoffs, being a top eight,
being in the top half of the league. It doesn't

(08:33):
feel like, you, look what Montreal just did. Okay, so
for all the cap people, for all the contract people,
for all the bad player and you gotta weed out
this roster, just look at what Montreal just did. And again,
as a sports fan, you're not like looking at the
intricacies of all this stuff. Did you win or did

(08:56):
you lose? How long did it take a bad team
to become good? How long does it take a good
team to become great? Montreal is the worst team in
the league three years ago in twenty two, they would
last in the Eastern Conference, I believe in twenty three
and twenty four, and they make the playoffs in twenty five.
That just doesn't feel like rocket science. You know, it

(09:20):
doesn't to a fan. It just feels like Brailen. You're right.
If Steve Eiserman's name wasn't Steve Eiserman, we'd probably be
talking about a change there.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
And if Pete flashed up the tweet I put up
last night six years ago, go back six years ago
twenty nineteen. If I told you in twenty nineteen that
in the year twenty twenty five the Detroit Red Wings
would be the fourth best team in Detroit, furthest away

(09:52):
from being a champion in their respective sport, you would
have told me I was crazy, and I would not
have believed you.

Speaker 7 (10:01):
Yeah, I'm not even a hockey fan like that, And
I would have even said the same.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Thing, because why because of one man, Steve Eiserman. We
had more faith in the front office structure with Steve
Eiserman at the Helm than any other front office in Detroit.
I believe it was Troy Weaver at the time for
the Pistons, al Avila for the Tigers, Bob Quinn for
the Lions. And in those six years, all three franchises

(10:30):
have pivoted, have gotten it right their structures organizationally are
I would think, on a pedestal of each league, see
what the Tigers are doing, certainly the Lions and even
the Pistons. Now with you, a first year general manager,
and a solid head coach that has completely changed the culture.

(10:51):
What is What are the Detroit Red Wings right now?
If I told you, if I asked you what the
Detroit Lions were, you could tell me They're all about grit,
the toughest team you're gonna play. They run the football,
They're powerful upfront. What about the Tigers. They're going to
pitch you into the ground, They're going to pitch you
to death.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
What about that? What about the Pistons? JB.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Bickerston aggressive, bad boys, reincardinated with a top ten player
in the NBA? Easy?

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Who are the Detroit Red Wings?

Speaker 3 (11:26):
What are the Detroit Red Wings?

Speaker 4 (11:28):
Six years?

Speaker 3 (11:29):
You can't tell me, big question, Mark. You can't tell
me what this organization is. You can't tell me the
style of play, who they want to be, who they are?
You can't tell me any of that. And I'm shocked
by it. I am shocked by it.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
No, you're absolutely correct, and you know, but let me
let me play the devil's advocate of flip.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Side of the No.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
No, I was gonna say, play opposite side of it.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
What did Pete? What Pete? What did Steve.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
Eisman walk into the well? He walked into hell. Okay,
he walked into hell. Put him to hell? So what
excuses do we give Steve Wiseman?

Speaker 4 (12:06):
What do we last? Six years?

Speaker 5 (12:08):
Is that how long it takes to get out of
the hell that was left to him by the rare
Wings before that? Do you look at the NH Do
you look at the draft picks and how the Red
Wings when they were bad they never got number one?
They were fifteen last year nine eight six, four six six,
nine twenty like is that allowed to help him a
little bit?

Speaker 4 (12:26):
Or is it been six years and none of that
no longer matter?

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Can I just say, anybody that believes that Steve Eiserman
walked into hell, and anybody that loves Steve Eiserman and
wants him to continue on in this role, will give
you any excuse that you could. You know, you talk
about letting Blashel have another year. You talk about hiring
lolone from Tampa and hanging on to him a little bit.

(12:50):
You talk about the draft picks. They have not had
a top five pick or anything like that. They have
not you know, won the lottery in a year where
Connor Bernard was you know, first overall or anything like that.
They haven't had an easy road, that's for sure. But again,
in a results oriented business, it doesn't take ten years

(13:12):
to get out of that. In professional sports, it just doesn't. Lions, well,
look at the Lions, look at the Tigers, and yes
they've been bad for a while. But when this new
you know, GM and manager came along, you get out
of that quickly. When you look at the Pistons, a

(13:34):
couple of signings here. Tobias Harris wasn't here last year.
Tim Hardaway Junior wasn't here last year. Malik Beasley wasn't
here last year. And four as good as Jalen Duran
and Cade Cunningham have been, this team isn't in the
sixth spot right now without those signings as free agents. Now,

(13:55):
if you're Steve Eiserman, you're telling me, and I'll use
basketball because I feel like I know a little bit
more about basketball players than I do about hockey players.
You don't. Where is your Malik Beasley? Where is your
Tobias Harris? Where is your Tim Hardaway Junior? To pair
with your Dylan Larkin and your Alex to break it

(14:16):
and your Lucas Raymond? Where are those guys? I just
don't name me a team that has had the same
general manager, that has had ten years to become a
championship right team?

Speaker 4 (14:34):
I agree with Yeah.

Speaker 8 (14:35):
I was just going to bring up real quick, if
you guys don't mind me asking you because I kind
of want to go off, not go off on a tangent.
I just want to ask you something if we if
we're going to start questioning Steve Eisman, obviously, like you said,
he's royalty, He's not going anywhere, So what I guess
I don't know how to explain this because I'm not
the best at explaining.

Speaker 6 (14:54):
Maybe you guys can help me out.

Speaker 8 (14:55):
You know how we discovered what the Tigers were offering
Alex Bregman, Uh, you know, the six year deal. My
whole question is how much does how much support does
Eisman actually get from Chris Ilich?

Speaker 6 (15:07):
Because if we're not gonna question.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Not gonna blame the owner, I'm just not gonna do it.

Speaker 6 (15:11):
You're not gonna blame the owner.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
I'm not gonna blame the owner in this. I think
you I think you hire you hire a guy like
Steve Eisman because you feel like he can scout, you
can sign players, he can gauge who the coach should be.
You know, he hung on to Derek l Loane at
least three weeks too long. And you know, in those

(15:34):
three weeks, if you pick up four points, you're in
a lot better situation. Yeah, you know, at the end
of the year than you are right now. And that
was a big decision. He got no goalie.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
I was just not to mention. Look, when he bought
Steve Iisman in here.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
They didn't bring Steve Isman in here because he was
number nineteen and the captain and Ford Stanley Cubs. They
bought him in here because of what he built in Tampa, right,
Like him playing for the rail Wings was a major bonus.
It built something that won two Stanley cubs out there
in Tampa. So I think that's why they brought him in.
The one thing I would I would I would remove

(16:07):
the Red Wings from the other three major teams. When
you're looking at it, the Pistons got good. You know
how the Pistons got good, Right, They bought some people
in there that had some grown man professional sins. But
they had a number one overall pick that we're finally
realizing was deserving of the number one pick. You look
at the Lions Lions had Matt has Stafford at the
time they come in, they trade Stafford and what did

(16:29):
they get for Stafford? They got a Kings Ransom while
still having Jered Goff. So you had a lot to build,
you know with the Tigers. Even last time my Chex
Spensell Torgersen was a number one overall pick and so
was Casey Myz And you've added some pieces here and there.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
So that's where the Red.

Speaker 5 (16:44):
Wings the problem is, and that's why I want to
focus on the draft. They haven't had a chance.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
I love Dylan Larkin. He's a Michigan guy. Go Blue.

Speaker 5 (16:50):
He played amazing in the World the Four Nations Cove
Four Nations Cup. You played amazing. But that's when you're
playing alongside of also gifted, right, get the hockey player
where now you're Jason Tatum. You're good, but you're playing
along a bunch.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
It makes it a lot easier.

Speaker 5 (17:06):
But when you come to be your own Connor McDavid,
your all, Austin Matthews, there's just not enough help there.
I think the draft has a lot to do with
the rail Wings struggles.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
I love you.

Speaker 6 (17:17):
That was part two of my question.

Speaker 8 (17:19):
So sorry, no, no, no, That's why I love you, because
you think like I do. But but but I might
take it a step further. When do we consider trading
Dylan Larkin? I don't think he's cutting it as captain. Yeah, yeah,
And I just want to ask that tough question to
you guys in the chat.

Speaker 6 (17:35):
When do we consider it?

Speaker 8 (17:35):
Do we consider it now?

Speaker 3 (17:38):
So it's interesting you say that because I feel like
that is almost it's almost another story for another day.
And not to minimize what you're saying, I think I
think all cards are on the table. I just the story,
excuse me, The story for me about the Red Wings

(17:59):
is I just I did.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
Not expect this coming from last year's run.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
I just I just did not expect, just coming from
you know, thirty thousand feet, from a thirty thousand foot view,
that after six years, the Red Wings would be no
closer to a playoff than they were in year four
or year five.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
You know.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
In fact, I thought last year they were a little
bit closer to the playoffs than they were this year.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
You know, last year, if they get in, they had
a chance to win in the first round. This year
they wouldn't gotten in, and they got smacked.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
That's that, yeah, and I just I have no answers
for you. I feel like that's one of the what
is the answer to the Red Wings right now to
compete in the Eastern Conference? Is there one move that
any one of you would make that Steve Eiserman has
not made that he should make. Maybe that is your answer.

(18:57):
But are you're gonna just trade your best player?

Speaker 4 (19:00):
You know?

Speaker 3 (19:01):
I hear it like you're got to trade your best
player to do what? Here's a question to be bad
for another three years before you could figure it out again?

Speaker 4 (19:13):
Here's a question.

Speaker 5 (19:14):
Season's over pretty much actually seasons over, but when it's
officially over, Ryan, what's the first thing that you want
to hear out of LCA as it relates to the
Red Wings not the Pistons. What's the first thing you
want to hear from management? Chris Illitch inserted coach McClellan.
What's the first thing that you want to hear from
the Detroit Red Wings?

Speaker 4 (19:38):
Oh? The only thing.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Hopefully that we got the top pick won the lottery, right.
I want to hear that they are determined to get
this offseason, that they know that urgency is a real thing.
And I think that's one of the issues with I
think that's one of the issues with this whole situation

(20:00):
is you feel like when you hear any of these
guys talk that, you know, it's just excuse after excuse
after excuse. Well, we had this and we've got to
do this. What move would you make? Well, I don't
know what move I would make because not my job.
It's your job to figure out what move you'd make,
you know what I mean. That's the one thing whenever
a general manager comes to the podium and says, well,
what would you have done to make this faster? I'm like,

(20:22):
I don't know. It's not my job to figure that out.
It's your job. You're paid what you're paid to be
able to figure that out. I can't tell you I
have this job. I can complain about it. I can
complain about it. I can't do your job. I'm not
going to try to do your job. But I just

(20:44):
want them to tell me that they hear that the
fans in Detroit are not happy and they're gonna do
everything in their power this offseason to make sure they're
in the playoffs next year. I want them to tell
me they're in the playoffs. I don't want them to
tell me they're improving. I don't want them to tell
me this is a process. I want to hear that
they are going to make the playoffs next year and

(21:05):
they're gonna do whatever it takes to get there.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
Yeah. No, for sure.

Speaker 5 (21:07):
You know, if it's if it's money, that's one thing.
Like if Chris Willis doesn't want to spend money as
relates to the free agents in y'all season, if that's
what it is and that's why they're not coming, then
all right, then if that was it, then you have
a cheap owner. I'm not saying that he is. I'm
saying if that's the case, because it can't be. People

(21:28):
don't like Detroit like it can't be. This is Detroit
Red Wings franchise. You're talking about so much history, so
much tradition there in the NHL.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
This is a city that's coming back with all the sports.

Speaker 5 (21:37):
This is Steve Eisman, who a lot of these young
players play.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
They know who he is.

Speaker 5 (21:42):
So it's not that they're to come in here because
remember that was Excuse me, I don't want to go
to the Lions.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
They suck.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
I don't want to go to Detroit Tigers. They think
I don't want to go to the Pisson never said
that about the Red Wings. So I wonder as it
relates to free agents, now, what is the conversation, Why
aren't the free agents coming or why aren't the triggers
being pulled? Because I feel like when we talk about
free agents, whether it's in the offseason or doing right
before the trade deadline, the conversation is, well, we you know,
we really tried hard on some guys and it just

(22:09):
didn't get done. I'm hearing that a lot when it
comes tom trying to close guys and regular season they
also what are the reasons why we can't close? Is
it that players don't want to play for the Red
Wings or is it that the money isn't good enough?

Speaker 3 (22:21):
And it does highlight too how difficult it is in
a salary cap sport when you do not have top
picks year in and year out, how hard it is
to build a team. You know, I just looked at
Montreal's last three first round picks. Twenty two they had

(22:42):
round one pick one, you know, they did have a
top overall pick, and then back to back years they
had fifth pick, fifth pick. It's not like they had
one one one or one, two, three or anything like that.
It was. It was a one, but it was a
one five to five first pick, fifth pick, and you

(23:02):
make some correct moves along the way and you go
from there. But it does highlight in a salary cap
sport where you do not have the benefit of drafting,
you know, in the top five, how difficult it is
to move forward in that sport. It does kind of
put a highlight on that. And you are right. The
Pistons had the top pick in a year that Kate

(23:23):
Cunningham came out, not the one where Greg Odin came out,
and that matters. You know, that does matter. It does,
And this organization really doesn't have anything to compare it
to when the Red Wings were winning Cups. How do
they do it? There was no salary cap. Then they
put a Hall of Fame team together and that's what
it was. The Lions. The NFL feels like you can

(23:49):
get good quickly, faster than any other sport. The NFL
sets you up for that. If you don't take advantage
of it, that's on you as an organization. The NFL
facilitate line to get good quickly. Allions made it to
the playoffs after going Owen sixteen. They made it to
the playoffs three years later.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
In I mean, Carolina had all that draft cap the
last couple of years and gave it to.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Yeah, it feels like they just do Sorry, last point
about just how difficult it is if you don't have
a top pick. This is probably a bad example because
they've made the playoffs every year, but it feels very
Pittsburgh Steelers esque. The Pittsburgh Steelers are like a franchise
in purgatory. You know, they're just they they've been play Yeah, well,

(24:35):
yeah they've been. They've been too good to have a
top pick, so they never get the real elite, elite, elite,
top talent. They don't have uh, top five picks on
their team, they don't have top ten picks on their
team because they're just good enough to make them at
the end of their career every year. Yeah sure, but

(24:55):
they're they're just good enough to get them in the
play but that elite talent is not there.

Speaker 5 (25:04):
They have difference is there was still making the freaking playoffs, right,
we can't even get into the dance.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
Yeah. The thing that matters.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
The last thing I'll say is, and I agree you
said last year, you feel like they're a better team.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
You feel like they took a step back. They definitely
took a step back.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
They didn't make the playoffs last year, Ryan, and they
literally just missed any end by a game or two.
You know who missed? Was it twenty games in there
is their best player didn't Lark and he still all
missed the playoffs last year. To your point, there was
no twenty games missed this year.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
And they had a stretch in February again that is inexcusable. Yep,
what a nine game losing streak or something ridiculous like that, that.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
Right after the McClellan started, because they won a couple.

Speaker 8 (25:50):
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came on board, and then the floor came.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Out, no doubt about it. All Right, guys, we are
going to take a break, talk about the NFL news
coming up. Also, we're gonna play Hit or Miss the
Brad Holmes Draft edition. It also just a quick question
as we go to break, to think about to talk
about because of Steve Eiserman and how difficult it feels

(26:16):
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Speaker 3 (30:09):
Welcome back, Bryan Ormandy Baylen Edwards, Pete Spive and Ricky
Burns Braylan. It's funny because tom Asway brought up ala
Vila yesterday. We're just talking about the struggles, talking about
the struggles of Steve Eiserman and draft picks and where
this organization is. Right now, we're going to talk about
Brad Holmes momentarily. We'll do hit or miss with Brad Holmes.

(30:34):
What about a quick hit or miss with Alavila?

Speaker 4 (30:39):
You want to hear some of these names.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Where would the Tigers be without al of Vila's draft picks?

Speaker 4 (30:46):
You ready, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Riley Green, Spencer, Torkelsen, Jackson Job, Casey Mize, Trek Scobel Colt, Keith,
Kerry Carpenter, Jase Young, Bow Brisky. I mean I would
contend to you that Riley Green, Spencer, Torco Centeric School,

(31:09):
but Casey Maiz, Kerry Carpenter, that's the Courier team.

Speaker 5 (31:15):
Yeah, The problem with that, though, is baseball you draft
for four to five to six years out even like so,
your job is to maintain in the middle. Your job
is to keep the team running in the middle. And
that's what wasn't done.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
Drafting.

Speaker 5 (31:28):
That drafting is pretty damn good, and after this season
it really can be good if those players take the
next jump. But where was the free agency? Where were
the other players in that span of time? That would
be my question.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
Pretty incredible stuff, that's crazy. I mean when you look
at how good these players have been for the Detroit Tigers.
Maybe Alavila did know what he was doing on that
end of things though, and he gets.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
Credit for that. Yeah, yeah, this is true.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
All right, Brad Holmes. Look, we have gotten to a
point here and questioned lately, and there's no doubt about it, right.
I Mean, everybody is going to question your team when
you lose. And the Lions got worse last year than
they were the year before. And I don't care about
the fifteen wins in the regular season, That's fine, it

(32:16):
is what it is. Uh, it matters what you do
in the playoffs. And his team didn't win a playoff
game last year. Hard to believe. But a fifteen win
team did not win a playoff? Is that is that
you sniffing like that?

Speaker 4 (32:29):
No, that's the blower.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
I'm be muting. Okay, there is. I feel like I
hear somebody like sniffing into the microphone. But that's the
ye cutting so long, you know, I muting myself. Okay,
I was like, who is doing that?

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Like?

Speaker 3 (32:48):
And just for inside uh radio, I will no, I
wear this little earpiece here you go. I wear this
little earpiece. So it's like ingrained in my head. But
either way, back to Brad Holmes, feels like over the
years it's been in Brad we Trust questioned of late?

(33:09):
Are we back to that now? When you see truly
how hard it is to put a winner together for
an elongated period of time. So Braylan just to comment
on that first and foremost, that was me?

Speaker 5 (33:24):
Sorry, it definitely was. I was coming up how many
draft picks they were, so I could ask a question
because he's had a lot of draft picks.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
But my apologies, I was distracted. Where did you want
me to go?

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Just talk about Brad Holmes overall? The the where are
you now in terms of in Brad we Trust? Versus
questioning him.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
Still Brad, we trust.

Speaker 5 (33:46):
It's still in Brad, we trust in the draft in
the first round for me, maybe even in the second round.
You got to give him that credit for what he's
built here in Detroit, which we're about to talk about.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
But this is going to be an interesting year.

Speaker 5 (33:57):
I think as you've become a better team, as your
draft picks start moving from second overall to twenty eighth,
twenty nine.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
Thirty, I think it gets tougher.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
So I think it's a pivotal year, much like last
year was tearon ono Inn, this rake Star. Where are
they going to be this year? What did Giovanni Manu?
What is Christian Mahogany going to be? Those are some
of the later round picks last year. This year too,
What does it look like like once again you're picking
twenty eight. You got some d linemen right there for
your offensive lineman there for where does he go? So yes,

(34:26):
for me, it's still in Brad we trust. But I
got a close eye. I got a close eye. I
won't be sleep in the first round of the draft
this year, like I will very much be awake and
be watching and be in tuned to see what is
the moving, what's the process?

Speaker 3 (34:38):
A right, give me some music, Ricky, We're gonna still
a hit or miss. Spread Holmes edition twenty nine picks,
he said, twenty nine picks from twenty twenty one until
twenty twenty four.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
First round, He's ad two, I feel like.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
You should almost well, I don't know, this is a lot.
Go ahead, No, I know you.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Can rock and roll it.

Speaker 5 (35:00):
I'm looking at Brad Holmes's draft picks, he said two.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
He's a hell of a GM.

Speaker 5 (35:08):
But I'm saying, like having what he's had, like, does
it make it easier.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
Or you still have to go out there and do it.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
That The Lions have had some pretty high picks in
the past. But how about Mike Williams at ted? What
about Roy Williams? And they had two first rounds Rogers,
Oh yeah, I mean you talk about they've had opportunities
in the past. How about we'll do this. We'll start
with round one for Brad Holmes. You guys ready, pay Sewell,
Aiden Hutchinson, Jamiir Gibbs, Terry and Arnold Jack Campbell.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
Hold on, he said Terry was a hit.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yeah, you don't you don't think so?

Speaker 4 (35:48):
I mean he had a penalty.

Speaker 5 (35:49):
He was second the league of pill No, you're right,
You're right, I'm let's just let's just put let's put
it off this.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
Let's let's call him.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Do you want me to not include twenty twenty four
because it's tough.

Speaker 6 (36:01):
To include one guy one year?

Speaker 3 (36:04):
This is say two early, Okay, twenty twenty four we're
not gonna include. So let's go back Penny Sewell, Hey,
Aiden Hutchinson, Jamison Williams, Jamier Gibbs, Jack Campbell five and oh,
I'm not including twenty twenty four yet. We're gonna say
two early, five and oh in.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Round one, and I think that's fair, too fair.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Last year in round two in round two, Levi owned Serrique.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
Hit back of noise? Is his is a hit?

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Josh Pascal miss miss, Sam Laporta, Brian Branch Come on,
that's is still as the draft. So you are talking
about four and one. So in the nine, so that'd
be nine and one. You're talking about ten draft picks.

(36:58):
Write this down, Brayley. You're talking ten draft picks between
the first and second round. You are saying nine hits
and one miss in the first two rounds of the draft.
In three years. Again, we're not including twenty twenty four
because it's too early to tell. Yet nine in one,

(37:21):
nine hit, one miss in the first three years. That
is one hell of a track record, right, So you
want to do round three, let's get it. Ali McNeil
hit if fat to Melifan Wu hit hit Kirby, Joseph Hendon, hooker,

(37:41):
Roderick Barton. So in third round, in the third round,
five third round picks three and two. Pretty darn good.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
So we're twelve and three. Now can I go back
and ask a question?

Speaker 5 (37:55):
Sure, I want to revisit somebody that I've lobbied for
and supported for very much.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
We drafted him. Is Jamo a hit? Yes?

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, completely makes he completely makes the defensive coordinator game
plan for him.

Speaker 5 (38:10):
You've moved up twenty spots to get him, and you
gave up something in the process.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
Is he still worse? Is he still a hit? I
believe so. I would agree he's a hit pick for you.
You moved up twenty picks to get him. He set
out two years.

Speaker 5 (38:22):
Boy, he set out a year and a half in
totality from injury to miss assignments.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
Because of other things. He's had some.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
Issues going on, been a little inconsistent here or there, but
then came on strong for you last year and finished
with his first thousand yard season in years year three.

Speaker 6 (38:40):
I hate this crack because I hate answering your question
with a question.

Speaker 8 (38:42):
Is Jamison Williams on the wall of the average NHL
NFL fan who lives in Oklahoma.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
Yes, No, I don't think so. It's just a question.
I bought back.

Speaker 5 (38:55):
I'm gonna stick with Hit because of like I said, support,
But I think it is a very fair question for
those out there that are like, we moved up twenty
spots to get this guy and there's been enough.

Speaker 7 (39:07):
When you when you say it like that, it makes
you go, well, yeah, it reminds you.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
You're like, yeah, we did give up a lot. Well,
here's what I will say to that, Uh, would you
have taken Jordan Davis? Yeah, Kyle Hamilton.

Speaker 5 (39:21):
Jordan Davis is a Philadelphia Eagles, good fella.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Kyle Hamilton, hell of a player. But you don't have
Brian Branch.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
If you have Kyle Hamilton is just hindsight. Yeah, I'm
just saying I'm taking Cayle Hamilton over Jamo.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
You over Jamo and Brian.

Speaker 5 (39:34):
Kyle Hamilton is like the most freaky safety in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Okay, I'm i am adamant that Jamison Williams is ahead.

Speaker 5 (39:41):
Okay, I agree. Yeah, No, Mads still hasn't. Even though
he loves Jamo, Mads still hasn't made.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Up his mind about Jamos.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Our good friend Cody Engel brings up an interesting thing
in the chat. Hooker wasn't a miss at the time,
no doubt about it. If you go back, if you
go back and talk about that, even if I know
what I know now about Hendon Hooker and the Lions, I.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
Still make that pick. It hasn't worked out.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
It clearly hasn't worked out for Yeah, I mean, but
I would have still made that pick when Hooker came
up to the Lions in round three. I'm taking him
every time. But that doesn't mean it's a hit. Just
because you do. Your process is right, your theory is right,
but it didn't work out doesn't make it a hit.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
I'm still a miss. I got something for you. I
love I love that question. I got something for you.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
Jack Campbell wasn't a hit when we drafted him. I
very much thought did he there? I didn't like the
style of linebacker that he was. He's much taller than
the linebacker's day, he's much slower than the linebackers today.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
I was like, that's a miss.

Speaker 5 (40:51):
His play on the field, he's been there, he's been
lights out. When Alen sanzelone he missed, stepped up, he's
still it. So I thought he was a miss at first.
He's been very much a hit.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Now all right, Uh, there have been and again we
are not doing twenty twenty four. Just don't think it's
fair to those guys with one year or an incomplete
Hell nice Rakestraw still hasn't even played, but exactly so,
we're not We're just looking at her. We're just looking
at Brad Holmes draft picks.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
Is a hit.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
We're just looking at Brad Holmes draft picks twenty one,
twenty two, twenty three in not in twenty four. Just
to show a track record. Right now, we have nine
hits in one miss in rounds one and two. If
you add round three in there, we've got twelve hits,
three misses, twelve and three twelve hits in fifteen picks

(41:46):
in rounds one through three.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
I'm gonna say something. You tell me if you agree
with it.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
I don't think you do pass the fifth past the
fourth round or hit or miss?

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Okay, fine, because.

Speaker 5 (41:55):
I'm like, if you get to the am I really
judging somebody's sixth, six round?

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Fine, but let me take the fourth round.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Well, I know where you're going.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
Let me take the fourth.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Let fourth rounded for fourth round picks for Brad Holmes. Now,
he had a couple in twenty four, again not judging
them yet, but in years twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two,
and twenty twenty three, the Lions have had two fourth
round picks. I'm on Ross, Saint Brown, Hey, Derek Barnes.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
So if you adds rounds one, two, three and four
four Brad Holmes in years twenty one, twenty two, and
twenty three that hit or miss in seventeen draft picks
fourteen and three. That is in freaking credible seventeen picks

(42:49):
rounds one, two, three and four in years twenty one,
twenty two to twenty three, fourteen hits three misses.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
Wow, that has to be historic. That's how you get
a franchise started.

Speaker 5 (43:01):
The only thing I can think about is the seventies
Stillers because they draft all those guys in one draft.
But that's amazing. And that's the question you asked. You said, like,
do you let Brad Holmes cook? Do you trust Brad
Holmes cooking?

Speaker 4 (43:13):
Yeah? Because this is what it is.

Speaker 5 (43:15):
And obviously they're still picking later we'll see, but this
is what he's giving you.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
Here's some fun.

Speaker 5 (43:20):
I got my top ten draft picks.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
By bron Holmes in his order.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
There you go. Can I just read this? Can we
all agree that Tyler Holton is nuts and needs to
be extended. What he just did in the top of
the sixth inning is something you don't see all the time.
Tiger's inaction against the Yankees going for the sweep right now,
Tyler Holton just had a big hold in the top
of the sixth inning. We'll get to that momentarily. But

(43:47):
in the top of the sixth Judge walked got the
third gold Schmidt, so there was runners at second and
third with one out, got Chisholm the ground into a
fielder's choice to the picture. So Judge was thrown out
at home and then Volpe struck out pretty incredible steph,
Tyler hold, sorry, brother, you go oh.

Speaker 5 (44:07):
No, no, no, poder. I appreciate that. I appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
Up dat all right? Here we go. Honorable mentioned Terry
and Arno. We just talked about it.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
I think there's something there, lot there, but honorable mentioned,
not enough to be proven.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
We will see this year. Let's get rock and roll
and number ten. I'm going Jack Campbell.

Speaker 5 (44:25):
I think Jack Campbell was in terms of the best
picked so far by brag Holmes.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
I'm going Jack Campbell.

Speaker 5 (44:30):
Who was the eighteenth pick in the twenty twenty three draft,
in the first round.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
I think it's filled on his play on the field.

Speaker 5 (44:36):
Spensis Stanish thinking on the ten spot for me number nine,
I think I'm gonna go.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
On here and go well, had it on here xaanl
Reporter Sanlor porter Tighten.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
That was some thinking music. That was wow.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
I wrote the number. That was incredible. Man. That was
thinking music. Job wow, great job. Season one last year,
not so much.

Speaker 5 (45:04):
Figuring it out. Injuries will do that to you. But
I think he figures out this year again. He's a
number nine, number eight. Leve Andzerque. I like when he's
done player but injured, good player. He's showing you what
he's shown you. He's worth the contract. He's showing you
deserves to be here, so I hope he's healthy. This
could be a big year for him. Number seven, give
me jam up. They moved up twenty picks and I

(45:24):
know he's at thousand yards and four to two and
all this, but they moved up twenty picks to get him,
so I can't put him any higher on this list.
And seven, big year coming out of Jamo, I said
right now, thirteen eighty five, eighteen yards per catch and
he's gonna have twelve touchdown.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
That's a big year for him though too, you know
what I mean. It's a big year. You talk about
all of the work that these pro athletes, you know,
do to get to the NFL, then perform in the NFL,
and then you're in a contract year. This is the
biggest year of Jamison Williams life, really, And maybe you

(46:03):
can even go back a couple of years ago because
he had a choice to make did he want to
go this way or go this way? When he was
suspended and injured, and he chose to go up. He
contributed for this team. It feels like Jamison Williams to me,
is ready to just even break out even more than
he already has. I am rooting for him. I think

(46:25):
he is gonna get paid by either the Lions or
somebody else next year. You see, what do you think
if Jamison Williams is a free agent this year, what
do you think he would have gotten from a team
like New England? You know, I mean for the eight
people are people are desperate for wide receivers. That just
it just goes to show you how important that position

(46:48):
is to offense. Right now, that's just one you need.

Speaker 5 (46:51):
Two pleasure and I just desperation because he is like that,
Like Jamison Williams was like that in college and he's
starting to show you an NFL again that he's going
to be like that. The biggest reason why it's his year.
There's no more excuses, right like, this is the year.
No excuse, there's no excuses talking about you're young. There's
no excuses where you need I'm a ride of Saint Brown.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
To do this for you. There's no excuses.

Speaker 5 (47:12):
You didn't know you should be here, you didn't know
you should be doing that, There's no excuses for that.
This is the year that you have to put it
all together. Fans aren't on it, like fans aren't don't
want him any more excuses. Your family doesn't want any
more excuses. You shouldn't want any more excuses. I think
that's why it's gonna be a major year for me.
And I think he's gonna he's gonna live up to
it that big.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
I love it.

Speaker 5 (47:32):
Number six Kirby Joseph about to speaking to pay that
he's about.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
To get paid.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
Third or third round drafted ninety seven pickover attitude with
some skill behind it. The attitude with some skill behind it,
Like savvy. He's like a savvy aggressive type, like he's
sneaky and pull you in and then he does it.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Ask your football question about Kirby, Uh, Kirby Joseph. Not
that we're on first name where I've heard, not that
he and I are on first name, but I feel like, uh, whatever,
you know, who's the god? Of course I'm having a
mental lapse right now. The player for Diggs for the

(48:13):
Dallas Cowboys, Trayvon dis Trayvon Diggs interceptions masked how bad
he was in the field. Uh, he was on coverage rates,
one of the worst corners in the league. But because

(48:33):
of all those picks that he has, it kind of
masks that part of it. Do you get a sense
of Kirby Joseph's uh interceptions. The number of interceptions matches
his impact, but he doesn't have an interception back there
in the defensive backfield. Do you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (48:52):
I'm not explaining it. I know exactly what you said.
I'm glad you asked this question last year during the season.
Remember he was an interception every game and mass, I
love this guy Kirby is.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
And what did I say?

Speaker 5 (49:04):
I was like, I ain't seen it yet, so I
know exactly what you're asking. The interceptions, they don't matter
in the grand scheme thing.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
And how good a player is.

Speaker 5 (49:12):
I think in the beginning Kirby was just a dude
that could pick the ball off. I think he's physical,
but I think he was a guy. He can get
to the ball. He has a knack for finding the ball.
Some people like that Ed Reed, who he was compared
to statistically wise, He's just like that I played against.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
Ed knows what the ball is. Kirby Joseph is the same.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
But there were lapses in effort, There were lapses in communication,
there were lapses in once again effort. Wanting to his
first two years in league, last year, I saw him
take that next step.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
So it's not just he led the.

Speaker 5 (49:43):
League in interceptions, but oh, by the way, he's not
doing this that, and the third he was finishing tackles.
He can't want the best safety tame. He became one
of the best tackling safeties in the.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
League last year.

Speaker 5 (49:53):
He was leading that defense when the moment was big,
like in basketball when you need a three pointer, When
the moment was big, Kirby Joseph make a play and
it wasn't always an interception. So I feel like last
half of that season last year he took the steps
that it's not just interceptions with him anymore. Because you
also got to think about it, Treyvon Diggs played on

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a defensive line that has Michael Parsons and Lauren really good,
so it's easier to cherry pick like that defensive line
wasn't like that last year, right, It wasn't like that
for Kirby Joseph, And neither was it like that his
first year. So I think he is coming to his
own as a complete player, and I don't think it's
just interceptions anymore. But going into the season, I would
have agreed with you, I gotta see it fair enough.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
So now we're moving into the top five.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
We are top five. That was number six. Who do
you think number five is? Oh? God McNeill eight.

Speaker 5 (50:49):
I'm sorry I said lee Alee McNeil was eight.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
Oh, I'm sorry. I know I threw you guys.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
We don't look alike, sir. Okay, okay, five. I put
the number by the wrong.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
So no, Alan McNeill would have been eight, not on
this list. He's on the list saying he's not top ten.
Top can't get my do overt number eight?

Speaker 11 (51:21):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (51:22):
No, Number five is Brian branch Okay, number five is
Brian Branch.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
Mass tells the story better than anybody.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
You know.

Speaker 5 (51:28):
He thought he was going in the first round, should
have gone in the first round, but he stayed.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
He stayed to walk that stage.

Speaker 5 (51:34):
For the Detroit Lions round two and he has been
every bit electric.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
First game. Pick six, What are we talking about, Kansas
City Chief?

Speaker 3 (51:42):
He belongs in that top five. Yeah, he's a guy
that does everything for you. He's a guy. You see
a lot of thirty two jerseys around and he is
still thirty two.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
Right, yeah, right, maybe it should be nervous. Now I
will say something. Take a look. And this is no
disrespect to Kirby Joe's because I saw the same thing.

Speaker 5 (52:01):
With Earl and Bam Bam Cam. Brian Branch did help
Kirby Joseph get better. He definitely iron sharpens iron. You
definitely saw Kirby take that next step, yep with Brian Branch.
Brian Branch. Finally, number four, we get to Aiden Hutcheson Big, Aiden,
your defensive stopper. He will be a defensive Player of
the Year someday. We believe that he's coming around as well.

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He will be number one. But you'll see what I did,
and you'll guess Aden number two overall twenty twenty two
he deserves before on this list. He will be back
big ninety seven and dirt.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
How many sacks are you going for Aiden this year?

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Ten?

Speaker 4 (52:38):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Go and playing to say off the surgery, I just
don't think this is the year. I think twenty six
is the year. Yeah, great, see, I was gonna say
less than ten.

Speaker 6 (52:47):
I think like eight coming off the surgery.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Yeah, I agree with Pete.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
Let's okay.

Speaker 5 (52:51):
Yeah, I'm gonna go twelve, twelve, I'm gonna go twelve.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
I love it. I hope they got. You're right.

Speaker 5 (52:57):
I think he'll be a lot better earlier than I
think and we think, and I think he'll you know,
I don't think he'll be where he was last, but
I think he was a lot better twelve twelve three?
All right, number three, it's the big man on the
right side of the line.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
Is Pene number three?

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Number three?

Speaker 4 (53:13):
Okay? Number three? Going right? I mean it's the age
old question. Is it Micah or was it? I think.

Speaker 11 (53:23):
So?

Speaker 4 (53:23):
I'm putting number three on this list. Man.

Speaker 5 (53:24):
He is the leader of that the offensive line, and
he will be the leader of the office line moved
in the future. All right, why don't you give me
who number one? We know who number now, we know
there's two players left. We know there's two players left.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Why don't you go ahead and do it like a
Missed Universe pageant where you announce the winner and then
you say what the runner up is, because if you
say what two is, then we know who won it.
But the winner between these two players, the best draft
pick in Brad Holmes's history is here.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
He is not very.

Speaker 5 (53:53):
Rare that you draft Hall of famerus in the fourth round. Yeah, man,
I'm on Ron Saint Brown. Look, he's number one overall.
He is a fourth round draft pick to a team
that he didn't want to play for. And now what
has he done. He's done nothing to believe this offense
lead this team be consistent. He is on a Hall
of Fame track. You don't say that often. They say

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that about a lot of players. He'll be a Hall
of Famer one day.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
Bs.

Speaker 5 (54:17):
He just had a good three four year run. I
think almar Sat Brown is solid. I think Aymaron st.
Brown's going to a Hall of Fame for his ballot.
And he was a fourth round draft pick. He has
to be number one. So that makes number two the
person that they said, don't draft running backs, don't take
them in the top ten, don't even take him in
the first round anymore because they're dead, don't take them.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Well, we took Jamiir Gibbs number.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
Twelve overall in twenty twenty three, and I think it
has worked out pretty well for the Detroit Lions. I
give that number one a number two because to take
that make that Bowl move.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
So I think that's a greater analysis. And coming up next,
I want to expound upon that Jamiir Gibbs situation. A
little bit, because do you believe that the way it
worked out for the Lions by taking Gibbs for NFL
teams to say, you know what, whose rule was this anyway?
That he can't take a running back in the first round?

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Do you think that has helped players.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Like Ashton Geny?

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Do you think that is a reason why he may
be considered at six, he may be considered at four
because at that point you just say, you know what,
screw it, We're gonna take the guy that's gonna affect
every single play and make the defensive coordinator every single
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Speaker 3 (59:36):
Yeah you go, hey quickly before we will continue on
with the Lions. But did you see the hockey game
last night between I almost called the Hartford Whalers, but
the Vancouver Canucks and the Dallas Stars. Dallas was Dallas

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was up five to two with a minute to go,
Dallas is up five. Think about this, five to two,
five to two with one minute and one second to
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on another one boo win and overtime. Wow. First team
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be down three goals with a minute to go, pull
the goalie. They score three goals to tie it and
then win it in overtime. The Vancouver Canucks beat the

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Dallas Stars in ot six to five. I've never seen
anything like it. How many times do you discuss within
a broadcast? And last night I was saying, okay, it's
one one right now, I'd pull the goalie if I'm
the because you have to you have to win in
regulation last night to have a chance. It's just what

(01:01:03):
that is why you do that? That's what I mean?
That is why you do that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
That means you clearly don't such the defense.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Well, whether you lose six to two or seventy two.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
It doesn't matter at this point you're trying to get.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
But you give yourself a chance. It's it's again. It's
why teams in the NFL start going forward on fourth
down at their own twenty yard line. Okay, give yourself
a chance. Your defense can't stop a nosebleed. Yeah, it's
it was an incredible situation.

Speaker 5 (01:01:31):
I think that leads into what you were talking about,
and what that is is people get stuck in what
it's training. People get stuck in what they say or
what people are saying, what people are doing.

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
You talk about Brad Holmes.

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
People were saying, don't draft running backs, but insert the
Atlanta Falcons who drave b Jihon Robinson, and then the
Lions they draft Jamiir Gibbs, and now you're ushering in
this new found or this rebirth of the running back position.
You know what happened, Ryan, realistically, and I can admit it.
Wide receivers start getting the huge bags. You got the
Kenny Galladays and the Christian Kirks of the world, and

(01:02:06):
they're getting all this money and now they're truly becoming
what people say we are, which I used to disagree
with which is the diva? And you're seeing the Brandon Nyuk's,
You've seeing the George Pickens and all the of the world.
What did the running backs position do? Running back position
got hungry. Running back position was like, yo, just give
us the ball, just feed us the rock. There's a

(01:02:27):
lot more that we have in store. So now you're
seeing these running backs Kyrin Williams, Jamiir Gibbs, b Johann Rominson,
sa Kwan Barkley missed the two stacks himself. They're hungry,
they're getting opportunities, they're getting money, and the team they
trust them. The running back position has always been a
position that was trusted and respected. And I think that
shift in the wide receivers for a second where it

(01:02:48):
was Treek Kill and Devonte Adams, I think it rubbed
a lot of people the wrong way, and I think
the running back is resurgent in that way. Don't be
surprised if those wiree receivers numbers. I'm telling you that's
why it was in favored Amo for his own sake
getting paid.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
That Prabos number's gonna go down like it won't keep going.
That's right.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
It won't keep going north like it is. They will
put a hat and I know you' lying. You can't
put the genie back in the bad Guess who can?

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
Owners? Owners can always reset the market, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
And you know, just we were talking about Jamiir Gibbs
and what he's meant to the Detroit Lions offense, and
any defensive coordinator when you're playing the lines, you have
to make a game plan how to guard Jamiir Gibbs
and really his versatility, his speed, his ability to get
out of the backfield, his ability to run between the tackles,
his ability to catch passes out of the backfield. Ashton

(01:03:37):
Genti feels like a version of Gibbs. He's got speed,
he's got power, he can run between the tackles, he
can catch the ball out of the backfield. And it
feels like prior to the twenty twenty three draft, you know,
there was that period between maybe you know, seventeen and

(01:03:59):
twenty three, that five six year period that you wouldn't
take a running back in the first round of the draft.
The Ezekiel elliotts were very rare. Yeah, you know, taking
Ezekiel Elliott the first very rare pick.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
Go ahead, And I was just gonna say with the position,
you know what happened.

Speaker 5 (01:04:17):
Running back has always been the easiest way to have
success and help out who help out quarterbacks like helping
out a quarterback. You have a good running game, Ryan,
Like I played in Seattle where Russell Wilson. Guess who
our quarter our running back was. Its Marshall Lynch. Like,
if you're a defense and you gotta worry about beast
mood and he starts to get some runs on it, it
makes it that much easier when you put the ball

(01:04:39):
right here and then you pull it back down the field.
So the running back people have re remembered that. So
you gotta get running back. You have a good ground game.
Look at the offensive lineman's value. His stock is going up.
The numbers are going up on how much they're paying
offensive lineman. Again, they want to slow the game down.
Tons of bad quarterback play. We just broke down the
quarterback drafts, didn't we tons of misses in those drafts.

(01:05:00):
You hit hits when you get offensive lineman, when you
get a running game.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
And I think they're starting to remember that.

Speaker 5 (01:05:04):
Detroit Lions kind of put that back on the back
Sakwon Barkley too.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
How many since twenty eighteen? Since twenty eighteen to twenty
twenty two, one, two, three, four, five running backs take
it in the first round in five years? Bryce Hall,
Nase Harris, Clyde Edwards Hilaire, Josh Jacobs, Saquon Barkley. Was

(01:05:32):
Jonathan Taylor in there somewhere? Either way?

Speaker 5 (01:05:35):
Taylor's a little older, Taylor's like nineteen. Yeah, very few
is what I'm getting. At the second and third pick
that you mentioned, that's why you dra have Najie Harris
that does not work in Pittsburgh. He's no longer there
for whatever reason, whether it was the culture or the
locker room, he didn't work there. And then the third pick,
Clyde Edwards Hilaire from LSU. He didn't work in Kansas
City and everything works in Kansas City. Those were two

(01:05:57):
drafts where it's like, do we even need running back city?

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
Right? That's two bad drafts.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
But it did change with Bjeon Robbinson and certainly Jamir Gibbs,
And I think it does when you see a player
like Gibbs, like Bijon Hell, like Saquon, really, let's go back,
let's let's just go to Saquon and what Saquon and
meant to the Giants a bad team, and what he
meant to a good team in the Super Bowl Champs.
Saquon Barkley gent feels like that guy, and you don't

(01:06:26):
care where you take him now, whereas before you might
take him not not very, you take him at four,
you take him at six, you take him to whatever
you gotta do to get this player.

Speaker 5 (01:06:35):
The only the only thing I questioned him, won about
it by asking genty check out his receiving yards. Check
out is he catching the ball out of the backfield?
Because those backs that are the Bjon Robinson's, the Jamir
gibbs is they catch the ball out of the backfield
and they can run limit.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Perhaps I believe he can do that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
I believe he didn't have to do that at Boise State.
Wasn't asked to.

Speaker 5 (01:06:56):
Do that, Okay, And that's fair because the way he's
running survives for your b Jion Robinson, Well, you gotta
Taylor as years, for your Jamiri Gibbs, you have a
David Montgomery. So if you gotta draft the running back,
like excuse me, like asking jenz if he's just a
power back, you won't have him for long.

Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:07:16):
It'll be the a and old adage the running back
where is down. You gotta get another back so that
you can have two.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
There's no doubt about that. Just looking at the other
geez okay, here here's some backs here, Sakwan Berkley, Rashad
Penny at twenty seven, Sony Michelle at thirty one. So
again when you look at the back half of the draft,
Seattle twenty seven didn't work out, took Rashad Penny, Sony Michelle,

(01:07:42):
thirty one didn't work out. But again back I'm talking
about higher up backs, even Josh Jacobs taking number twenty
four overall, Clyde Edwards, Hilaire thirty two by the Chiefs.
So while there were first round picks, it's you have
since twenty eighteen, you have one player two players now

(01:08:04):
Bijon at eight. Since twenty eighteen, two first round running
backs take it in the top ten.

Speaker 5 (01:08:11):
And I think at the end of the day, what
youself from that is like it goes back to what
we're talking about esday. The film speaks for itself, like
we knew Bjohn Robinson was that good. You saw it
in college you saw the textaus you knew he was
gonna be special. So it stopped worrying about the position,
worried about how special is this talent? Same thing that
bradn Holmes saw Jamier Gibbs. You saw him at Georgia Tech.
You saw he was capleback kickoff returns, running through the tackles,

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running around the tackles to speed, and you see him
at Alabama. So that's what they've done. Best of all
is they've trusted themselves on things. They pulled the trigger
and what they believe in. They haven't trusted analytics or
the naysayers, or they say this, we like this guy,
we get this guy and it works.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
I did hear a draft analyst talk about it, and
I do forgive me, I don't remember which one it was,
but said, this draft is a draft full of starters.
Maybe not a draft full of stars, but a draft
full of starters that is gonna help a lot of
NFL teams around the league beginning this year. Do you

(01:09:11):
get that sense, Brailan, and just talk to me about
the draft being again, maybe not chalk full of stars,
but very full of solid starters. That's that is the
kind of draft that could really help the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 5 (01:09:27):
Yeah, and you need more stars than you need stars.
I mean, like any given team, you're gonna have more
starters than stars. That's just just facts. It feels like that,
you know the average draft, You know, you not the
average draft.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Wrong choice of words. When a draft is good, when
the draft is full of.

Speaker 5 (01:09:40):
Stars like that, they talk about them and there's a
bunch of names mentioned. It's usually five to six quarterbacks.
You got three, four, five wide receivers. You got a
bunch of defensive ends that our elite all had, you know,
ten or more sacks big schools, Ohio State, but you
don't have that. You got some guys that can just
really play the game, but they aren't necessarily stars yet.

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
They haven't been come stars yet.

Speaker 5 (01:10:02):
I think you got a lot of guys that are
gonna be starters, but you got some guys in there.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
That can mix and play.

Speaker 5 (01:10:07):
Stewart's gonna be a guy that's gonna be a start
in this game, but maybe be a star. I think
Graham is going to be a starter right away, but
I think he is going to be a star. Asking
there's potential for some guys in this draft to be stars.
But I think to your point, you look at his draft,
it's like, who's the guy. Like every draft you know
three guys' names at the position, this one is like, Okay,

(01:10:29):
it's asking gent wide receiver.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
Is Who's who's D wide receiver?

Speaker 5 (01:10:33):
I mean, hell, is Travis Hunter D wide receiver or
Travis Hunter d dB?

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
So talking about Travis Hunter and you can't talk about
Travis Hunter without talking about shad Or Sanders. And I
wanted to ask you about Dion Sanders, who feels like
he is kind of I don't want to say made
a one to eighty. That's that's that's not accurate. But
there was a story throughout the fall that Dion would

(01:10:59):
have an in fluence because he himself said, look, I
will not let him go to a cold weather city,
or I will not let him be drafted by a
team that isn't good essentially organizationally. And there was the
talk of is Dion too involved or is this just
an archie manning situation like he did with Eli. Dion

(01:11:22):
Sanders has come out in the last couple of days
and said, Chadur is fine. Wherever he gets picked, he
is not going to get involved. He has kind of
withdrawn that that pledge to get involved or not let
him go somewhere. Bless you, Pete, But Dion has essentially

(01:11:42):
withdrawn that taken that off the table. Wherever Shador gets
picked is fine, and he's gonna he's gonna be fine
wherever he goes. Do you read that as Shadeur is
sliding and you don't want to be too confident, You
don't want to limit schedu her and where he can
go because where you get picked what slot ultimately affects

(01:12:06):
your money. Or do you believe that just the teams
that can choose him are all fine. That includes Cleveland,
that includes New York, that includes New Orleans, and that
includes Las Vegas. Really, how do you see that?

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
I think it's a mixture of both, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:12:26):
I think in September, when you believe your son has
a chance to go number one overall your son's a quarterback,
I think you start putting the fillers out there. I
think you start kind of setting the motion Ryan what
you want this to be like. So you remember what
John Elway did in nineteen eighty three, and he told
his team, I'm not going to the Baltimore Colts.

Speaker 4 (01:12:44):
I'll go play for the Yankees.

Speaker 5 (01:12:46):
He remembered what happened in two thousand and four with
Eli and Archie Manning. So he's throwing it out there.
Let you know, if my son ends up being the guy,
the number one talent, we ain't going here. We ain't
going there like we're gonna do this thing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
Like they were able to do it. And I use that
because I'm being like him.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:13:04):
And then the season happens, and then all this stuff
starts to happen during the draft process, and now there's
so many shots at your son's skills, immobility, or his arm,
or his vision or this that and the third and
now there's arrogance or there's this claim that came up
from these anonymous guys. So now you see it, and
that's not number one for sure. Now it's like, well
maybe he goes nine to the Saints. So now you

(01:13:26):
have to, like you said, you gotta shift because look,
we want to be in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:13:30):
Like all that sounds good.

Speaker 5 (01:13:32):
Look I want to go here there in the third
when you get on draft day, for me, it was
April twenty third, and I going into the draft, I
have been posted going number one, maybe two yeah, maybe
three maybe four draft down.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
I was like, man, I'm gonna go to Miami if
I don't go to uh.

Speaker 5 (01:13:46):
But when they didn't call my name, Ryan and Money
number two, overall, I didn't care where the hell I
was going. I just wanted to get drafted right like
after Miami didn't pick me. I mean, look, it was
Cleveland next. But I was just ready off the board.
I was ready to be a part of NFL. And
I think that's what the now process is. You start
to see that slippers.

Speaker 4 (01:14:04):
No no, no, no, no, no. Look, we were we.

Speaker 5 (01:14:06):
Were blowing smoke back in September. We were blowing smoke
in October. Wherever you take us, we'll be happy to
go there and start our journey in NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
Just in the you know, the the effort to absolute
fact here, it was just so I'm not, you know,
just being way too vague. Deon Sanders in a podcast
in March said quote, it's certain cities that ain't going
to happen. It's going to be an Eli. That was
back in March. Now on the Skip Bayless Show, here's

(01:14:37):
the quote. If it's New York, it's New York. If
it's Tennessee, if it's Cleveland, if it's the Raiders, if
it's New Orleans, if it's any of those teams seeking
a quarterback, I'm happy with it because I know what
he's going to do for the organization. So that is
a special level of confidence in Shador. I think that's
not being afraid of what the organization is going to

(01:14:59):
do to you. That is saying, Okay, I know what
you should do or are gonna do for the organization.
And look, anytime you're look, we talk about shaduor Sanders
a lot. Every sports show talks about Shador Sanders and
Dion Sanders. Why because it is the sexiest thing to
talk about. When it comes to this NFL draft, Dion

(01:15:21):
Sanders is one of the most popular figures in sports history,
not just in the NFL, in sports history. He elicits
an emotion and most of the time, and I know
there's negative people out there, most of the time, it
has been this beloved figure. I think it has been

(01:15:41):
that just based on my own sports fandom. I don't
there's that's not a scientific fact, right, but just based
on my own sports fandom growing up, we all love
Dion Sanders.

Speaker 4 (01:15:58):
First thing comes to.

Speaker 8 (01:15:59):
Mind Prime Time du dual Sports. He's the man dual sports.
Him and Bo Jackson.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:16:04):
I love how athletic they are.

Speaker 6 (01:16:06):
Athletic and talent.

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
That's what I think of. First thing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
You look good, you play good, you play good, they
pay good. Let me tell you. I want to know
something about Dion Sanders. I used to wear the bandana
under my helbow before they ripped The coaches would rip
it off. You know what I mean, before they rip
it off.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
You know what I mean? Get this thing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
You know, back then you couldn't get a water break
when you were thirsty. Right in mind you took me back.

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
Yeah, it's nice.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
This is a much different era we're living in right now.
But go back to that, and you've got me wearing
like a bandana trying to be like Dionne under my
helmet for like three seconds before it was ripped off
or before it was noticed or anything like that. Were
an advisor, you get a visor, because why you want
to be like Dion.

Speaker 5 (01:16:58):
Sand I'm more of the headman around my neck I would.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
Want and I'm sure and I'm sure look, uh you know,
I'm sure there's a racial component to Dion Sanders as well.
Today and maybe why people don't like him today. I'm
not going to tell you that that doesn't exist, because
it probably does exist. But nonetheless, he is as electrifying

(01:17:28):
a player and electrifying a coach and electrifying a personality
is you will ever come across. And if it's not
for Shaudure Sanders, if it's not for Dion Sanders.

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
This draft is.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
One of the deadest drafts you have ever heard in
your life. So Dion Chaudure, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:17:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:17:54):
No, it's funny because those drafts, those end up being
a draft where like you look back like ten, ten,
twelve years and it's just like.

Speaker 4 (01:18:01):
All pro after all Pro, after all pro.

Speaker 5 (01:18:03):
But it goes back you're saying, it's defensive line, offensive
line heavy draft in the first two rounds. Defensive offensive line.
That's it's gonna be the saying. But as it relates
to Dion, what they hate about Dion And when I say,
that's not a racial thing. The people that don't like Dion,
this is just the people that don't because every every
color doesn't like Dion is what it is. When people

(01:18:24):
are that loud, Ryan and money, you look for Tinson
armor like you look for tins and armor. When people
are that loud, that confident, you look, where is he?
Where is he doing something else wrong? Where is he not?

Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
This a man of.

Speaker 5 (01:18:36):
Faith, married, doesn't drink, doesn't do drugs, hell of hell
of a father, hell of a coach, the best, like
one of the best players of all time. And he's
instilling that information in the young men.

Speaker 4 (01:18:50):
And you see it.

Speaker 5 (01:18:50):
So they want to point out the little things they
can't Oh he wears a hat in interviews, Oh he
wears he wears glasses during the game, Like that's little stuff.
Because they can't point, they can't find, they can't find anything.

Speaker 7 (01:19:03):
That's why everybody wants to play for Dion. They don't
want to play for Colorado. Yeah, or be a part
of what Colorado is.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
Yeah, right, And look at all the second chances he
gives to people as well, like Warren sapp and all that.
You know, that's just an example. I will say this,
I don't mind if you hate Deon saying it's just
as long, just as long as you hate him for whatever.
But like I think sports, one of the great things

(01:19:31):
about sports is you have to hate somebody.

Speaker 4 (01:19:35):
There has to be a villain antagonist. But you gotta
have a protagon.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
I'll take Mass for instance, just being a New York guy.
Hated Tom Brady to the point where he just couldn't
appreciate his career because he's a Boston guy.

Speaker 4 (01:19:51):
You know, is a we hate.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
Hated Michael Jordan, You hated Lebron James, you hate David Ortiz.
You know, I hate Nelson Cruz, I mean tiger killer
Nelson Cruz. You hate Brett farm, you hate Aaron Rodgers,
that everybody. That is the part of sports that I
do think should absolutely have its place still is you

(01:20:18):
have to have room to hate people exactly, no doubt,
no doubt, right, And I fully, I fully embrace the hate.
Although it makes me said, I'm a very nice person.
It does make me said a little bit that they.

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
Don't like me.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
But nonetheless, just a really interesting conversation about this draft,
because again, I watch a lot of football. I watch
a lot of college football. If it wasn't for schor Sanders,
I'm not sure. And with the Lions, you know, kind
of having a late draft pick, I'm not sure I
would be as interested specifically in talking about this draft,

(01:21:03):
in seeking out mock drafts, in checking out what mel
Kiper has to say, what McShay has to say in
his podcast, what Daniel Jeremiah has to say on the
NFL network. I am intrigued by all of this. Adam
Schefter comes on with McAfee. Oh Sdeur Sanders has fallen?
How far will he go? What is the storyline with

(01:21:26):
this NFL draft? There really is only one and that
is where will Shadeur Sanders go? Right that's the only storyline.
That's the only major storyline. I mean if you looked
at and maybe that goes back to the quarterbacks too
and the lack of quarterbacks, but if you go back
to last year, I mean it's Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels JJ,

(01:21:50):
I mean there was a lot going on.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
I think Nicks I.

Speaker 5 (01:21:55):
Think because he is the pace center for the draft.
So I think it's everything that you said. But I
think the other reason, Ryan, I think you add this
to it, it just makes it. He's the point set for
the draft. What Cleveland does it too? And right now,
Shador Sanders was there the longest and now it's moved
to Travis Hunter.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
But I still think whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:22:16):
What they do now, the draft to start right now,
the draft becomes and I think he's at the center.
Does the do the Cleveland Browns take Shadu Santa to two?
Do the New York Giants take Shaduer three? If they don't,
now here comes insert Travis Hunter abdua cardon what happens
at fort So I think he is the person where
the needle moves from.

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
And there doesn't seem to be a lot of intrigue either.
I mean, go back to when Trayvon Walker is taking one.
Overall that was a shot kind of it was. So
it was Aiden Hutchinson, Trayvon Walker, and Keevon Thibodeau. Those
three players could have been in any particular order taken one,
two and five.

Speaker 5 (01:22:55):
You know what I mean, big offensive lineman Cross that
got drafted by I still remember Cross got drafted by it.
I went to the Carolina Panthers. New York Giants selected
the offensive lineman there as well.

Speaker 4 (01:23:06):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
It does feel like the top quarterback on the board
is set, the top defensive end is set, the top
wide receiver is set, to the top running back is set.
Like there's no competition. There's no intrigue that part.

Speaker 5 (01:23:21):
There's no competition because I haven't even heard about the
wide receiver out of Arizona. I mean, I know he's
supposed to be the one he slow is all get out,
but I haven't eve heard about him.

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
It's been Travis Hunter. I don't even know if he's
playing wide.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
Receiver he's supposed to be. Well, I mean actually depending
upon where you go, right, you know, That's what I'm saying.
Like so Mason Graham.

Speaker 5 (01:23:38):
Mason Graham has been in the five spot in every
mock draft that I have seen for two months. Ryan,
I have not heard his name mentioned on any outlet,
whether it's ESPN, whether it's US. Well, maybe nobody's talking
about it. To your point, they only care about those players.

Speaker 4 (01:23:55):
Those four players.

Speaker 5 (01:23:56):
I haven't even heard but one offensive lineman right talked
about in this heavy offensive lineman draft.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
So, uh, who is the best offensive lineman here? You
don't see the number one offensive lineman coming out of Missouri. Uh,
he's the number eight on the big board six four,
three thirty two. Wow. Wow, you gotta go to eighteen
for the next one. So there is a clear offensive

(01:24:23):
tackle that is number one. I mean, there are so
many players that are etched in stone here in terms
of by position. Uh, not a lot of competition. Uh
top top tight end is you know, has some separation.
Uh the Tyler Warren from Penn State over Colston Loveland.
So uh, it just feels like a pretty interesting draft.

(01:24:45):
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He's like nineteen seventy one, so I would have more faith.
I was just looking at the top ten only team
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that picks in our division top ten obviously the Chicago Bears.
Ashton Jens probably won't get to ten, so we won't
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Kayler Williams, neither of his ants and wells.

Speaker 4 (01:29:31):
But there's a player that I do.

Speaker 5 (01:29:32):
Not want them to draft, and it is who mel
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tight end from Penn State.

Speaker 4 (01:29:41):
Tyler Warren.

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His explosive, but he's very subtle in his game. His
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Speaker 4 (01:29:51):
Yeah, he's pretty good. Tight end.

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You get Tyler Warren in there, and then you mix
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the line last this past offseason Joe Toney, Jone Jackson,
and Drew Dollman. A two All pros and one Pro bowler.
Tight End could be dangerous, like tight end could definitely
be dangerou.

Speaker 3 (01:30:08):
Yeah, I think Chicago is gonna be interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
There's no doubt.

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Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
I look, and I think it was Colin Coward who
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(01:30:34):
these two to either connect or not connect. Now. I
don't know if that's true, but I feel like that's
an assessment that I feel is somewhat accurate. We're gonna
know who the Bears are really early.

Speaker 5 (01:30:45):
Yeah, I think you will, because one, you were able
to see what Kayleb Williams went through last year, who
he was last year in his good moments.

Speaker 4 (01:30:51):
You ever see a little bit of that.

Speaker 5 (01:30:52):
Now you're telling me that you add an offensive line,
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a pretty good offensive line and one of the best
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to wide receivers. You got to tie it in like
you have a squad, you have defense. So this will
be a situation where you just got Ben Johnson, who's
the new genius in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:31:14):
He's the guy that got the Detroit Lions going.

Speaker 5 (01:31:16):
If you can't have success from when they brought him
in in March until September, it's not gonna happen.

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You talked about these rookie quarterbacks and these quarterbacks going
into their second year. You see what Atlanta's doing with
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in to essentially mentor Michael Pennix this year. This is
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Because we think this guy has so much promise, so
much poise. That's Raheem Morris. That's what he told Cameron Wolf.

(01:32:15):
It feels a bit strange, doesn't That isn't it. That's strange,
like like it almost feels like, do you not. I
can understand bringing in Matt Ryan and bringing in other
quarterbacks to say, hey, look, this is this is what
worked for us, but it does feel a little bit strange,
and that Raheem Morris is saying, we want to know.
You don't know. Do you question what he's doing, like

(01:32:39):
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Speaker 4 (01:32:40):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
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But it reads very odd.

Speaker 4 (01:32:48):
Yeah, like you said, I would have to hear it.
I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:32:50):
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just want him to be the best quarterback that he
can be. Yeah, I think they want to be right
about Michael Penning's junior. I think it's a lot of
pressure on the organization. They chose to him even though
they had Kirk Cousins, and they pay him a lot
of money, so I think they just want to get
it right.

Speaker 4 (01:33:05):
I don't think there's anything behind it.

Speaker 5 (01:33:06):
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where you know he's not watching film, he's playing video games.
I don't think that to be the case. I just
think it's more pressure on him. So maybe his comments
come off a little bit like that, but I don't
think it's that. I just think that he's under pressure.
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(01:33:29):
that we're seeing in the NFL. Like how many teams
have guys like Matt Ryan. Most franchises have a guy
that they can bring in, and I think they're doing
right by him.

Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
If somebody just finished the game.

Speaker 5 (01:33:40):
Still operates at a high level and you can help
him out, he could just see the game as he
sees it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:44):
He says more about Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 12 (01:33:46):
Than it, Yeah, or he's on his way out.

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left handed. Does that have anything to do with it?

Speaker 5 (01:34:02):
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still you still give him the same reads to help
him with the same drill, the same drop back is
just on the opposite side. But the mechanics, not the mechanics,
but the steps, you know, the numbers, the ideology of
it all is.

Speaker 4 (01:34:16):
Still the same. He's gonna watch film the same way,
he's gonna prepare the same.

Speaker 3 (01:34:19):
So, yeah, I don't know if it matters.

Speaker 8 (01:34:23):
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quarterback first to learn.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
Oh yeah, it's a great it's a great question. Okay,
a great question. I just thought you guys didn't pick
that up.

Speaker 4 (01:34:31):
Definitely, that was a bit left hand.

Speaker 5 (01:34:35):
Left hand quarterbacks cost you touchdowns.

Speaker 4 (01:34:37):
You're going to the right.

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Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
Welcome back Woodward Sports Network. We have Wednesday at the
Masters on in studio right now. It is just that
special weekend uh in Augusta, Georgia and really around the country.

Speaker 4 (01:38:21):
Are you four days? I am weekend for sure? Yeah,
for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
Like look, I'm a I'll be full disclosure. I'm a
Tiger Woods guy. If Tiger is in it, I'm a
four day guy. If Tiger is not in it, I'm
a weekend guy. Of course, he had the Achilles injury,
so he's not gonna play this year. I do like
Wednesday is a good I like watching on Wednesday. It's
like a relaxed the old guys, three older guys, the families,

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all that stuff. But this weekend is a really cool
opportunity if you want to get involved with a great cause.
We invite everybody. This Saturday, April twelfth, there is a
watch party. It is the First Tea Greater Detroit, third
annual Augusta watch Party presented by Rocket Classic. Carl Bentley
joins us now on the VMX line, the CEO of

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First Tea Greater Detroit. Carl, how are you, my friend?

Speaker 4 (01:39:13):
What's up?

Speaker 11 (01:39:13):
Carl, Hey, what's having bray?

Speaker 4 (01:39:16):
What's going on? Doing all right? I can't get play?
How's the family man? How's everybody know? It's been a minute.

Speaker 11 (01:39:21):
Everybody's doing great, man. Thanks for asking, and we're excited
to have a chance to chat a little bit about
First Tea Greater Detroit and the opportunity to watch the
Masters on Saturday traditionally is called moving Day, So you've
got to make your move on Saturday to be in

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a game on Sunday, right, So we pull it together
and there's a great time to mix it up with
some of your golfing buddies as well as meet some
new golfing buddies and bring in some revenue for First
Team Graded Detroit. First Tea Graded Detroit sees about seven

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hundred kids a year throughout Wayne, Oakland and Macomb County,
and we're sooned at Washington County as one of our
areas of focus, bringing kids, teaching them the game of
golf while at the same time teaching them the game
of life, growing through challenges. We all have missed that

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putt and thought it was the end of the world,
but the next hole you got through it right, And yeah,
it'll be this Saturday at Epistons Performance Center over at
Henry Ford from three to seven pm. There will be
lots of golf type items for auction Detroit Golf Club TPC,

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Michigan and lots of other items that will be on
display there.

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
And I, Carl, I want to I want to point
out while people are watching us right now, we invite
everybody to go to First Tea Greater Detroit dot org.
First T spell it all out, first T Greater Detroit
dot org, and you can navigate your way to the
AUGUSTA watch party. You could purchase tickets, and if you're
so inclined, you can view the sponsorship packet and all that.

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We do have that information in the chat right now
if you're watching on YouTube. But what a great organization.
First Tea is over one hundred and fifty chapters nationwide.
And you really talk about that connection between golf and
life and kids. That's a that's a beautiful analysis and

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a beautiful kind of connection between kids and golf.

Speaker 11 (01:41:49):
Absolutely, Armiani, you know golf is all about I think
you know, playing against yourself, right, you're gonna build the
positive confidence. We teach kids to use good judgment, always
have a game plan when you get up behind the

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ball and life has all of those elements we call
it really when you join first t it's a game
changer for how you go about planning your life. And
we teach kids from six to seventeen, and our kids

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range throughout as I indicated earlier, Wayne Oakland, McComb Counties,
and we were at as far as Rambler over in
McComb and down in River Rouge, the River Rouge golf Course,
so there's lots of opportunities for kids to participate.

Speaker 4 (01:42:54):
Karl Man, Yeah, I appreciate what you do.

Speaker 5 (01:42:56):
I've always known you as a type of individual to
care and give back many of the wisdom and the
presitive and put on you over life man, God gave you,
and you bestow them on everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:43:04):
So I always appreciate you for that.

Speaker 5 (01:43:06):
On a lighter note though, just golf itself, I remember
the first time that I watched Masters, you know, Thursday
to Sunday.

Speaker 4 (01:43:12):
It was nineteen ninety seven. We all know what happened.

Speaker 5 (01:43:15):
Nineteen ninety seven, Tiger won his first one.

Speaker 4 (01:43:17):
And I was watching it. We watched it at school.
It had it on in school, so I was able to.

Speaker 5 (01:43:21):
Watch it Thursday, Friday, and then Saturday is Sunday, and
obviously it ended in just traumatic fashion. And this is
what brought me to the game. What was your first
four day Masters tournament? What was your first one? And
who ended up winning?

Speaker 11 (01:43:39):
I lost you there for a second, am I back?

Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:43:41):
Yeah? Yeah? Can you hear me now?

Speaker 11 (01:43:43):
Okay? Yeah, okay, I can hear you now.

Speaker 4 (01:43:45):
So night, Yeah you heard the question.

Speaker 11 (01:43:48):
Yeah, yeah. So you know, I've been playing this game
for I don't know, probably close to thirty years now.
But really what brought me to the game, Braylan, was
simply an opportunity to be out there with the little
business and can you hear me?

Speaker 4 (01:44:09):
Guys? Yeah, I got you?

Speaker 11 (01:44:11):
Yeah yeah. And so that's one of the things that
we teach the kids, okay about you know about golf.
Once you get through you know, as a young start
playing golf, okay, you can play it your entire life, okay,
and it really brings you together. One of the programs

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we started this year was teaching caddies over the Detroit
Golf Club. We got about twenty four kids that were
we talked them over the winter. You know, how to stand,
how to start a conversation. How to you know, just
be you know out there and make it a positive
experience for the individual that they're golfing with. And if

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I would have learned that, you know, years ago, I
probably would be sitting in Braylin.

Speaker 4 (01:44:56):
That was cheer.

Speaker 12 (01:44:57):
Right now, Hey, Carl, talk to me about Carl, talk
to me about this partnership, you know with the Pistons too,
to have them, you know, open their doors to that facility.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
If look not everybody gets to go to that facility
and check out what's happening there, a state of the
art facility that you will get to go and watch
the masters for a great cause. I mean, what better
way to spend this.

Speaker 11 (01:45:23):
Saturday, I know right it is. The register with the
Pistons is awesome. They open up those zores to us,
like you say, three years in a row here hopefully
we'll get it back again next year and you get
an opportunity to you know, shoot some hoops. We have
a simulator there, a golf simulator that you can you know,

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test out your latest driver if you want to bring
that along with you. And we have a putting range
that you can you can put on that will bring
but more importantly, Like you say, money, you're in this facility.
It is a phenomenal facility. And that's where the Pistons play,
the ones that are going to go to at least

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the third round this year.

Speaker 5 (01:46:05):
Right right there, you go, that's right there, you go. Right,
I agree, man, they definitely had an opportunity. They're playing
some good basketball.

Speaker 11 (01:46:13):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:46:14):
You know, we we we're excited about the Knicks.

Speaker 5 (01:46:16):
We think they definitely got have to beat the Knicks
and how they've been playing together, and they're aggressive and physical,
right body, the old bad boys a little bit, you know.

Speaker 11 (01:46:23):
Bad boys. Man, get it in there, right, get it
done in.

Speaker 4 (01:46:27):
The d right, shut out to Detroit.

Speaker 3 (01:46:30):
What I've done, so, Carl, Carl, final thought, and again
we invite everybody. We have the website in the chat
right now, check out first T Greater Detroit dot org
and check out the AUGUSTA watch party. Who you got
this weekend and the masters.

Speaker 4 (01:46:49):
Let's end with that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:50):
Give me a top three, give me a top three.

Speaker 11 (01:46:54):
Yeah, I don't want to wish any bad luck on
the guys, So I'm not gonna call it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:04):
I'm with you, right with you, right, I got but.

Speaker 11 (01:47:07):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, please go out to uh, you know,
first Tea Gretadetroit dot org and buy your ticket, and
I guarantee you it would be a great, great time
spending just chatting up about golf and watching you know
those top three that Braileer is gonna kick out later
on make their move to be in that last pairing.

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And so yeah, first Tea, great Adetroit dot org. I
appreciate you all giving us the time to be on
on your station today.

Speaker 3 (01:47:41):
Absolutely that absolutely, no no problem at all.

Speaker 4 (01:47:45):
It's our pleasure.

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
And again we invite everybody, even if you have plans
this weekend and you cannot attend this specific event, we
invite you to check out that website. There are plenty
of events throughout the summer. Ways to register your child
if you think, if you believe that you have a
child that might be interested in this, and plenty of
ways to volunteer and maybe even donate your money if

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you're so inclined. So thank you so much. We love
their money.

Speaker 4 (01:48:16):
I love that God I said, hello, and take these
with you.

Speaker 5 (01:48:21):
Rory will get first place, Kyler Mory Cole is getting
second place, and a Burg is getting third. That's what
we got, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:48:28):
But he didn't say it. I said, he didn't say it.

Speaker 11 (01:48:31):
I said, thank you, thank you for because I would
have given him bad luck.

Speaker 4 (01:48:39):
Car.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
We appreciate it all the best anytime, anytime you got
anything else, let us know what, Well, we'd love to
have you back for.

Speaker 11 (01:48:47):
Our game changer in August.

Speaker 3 (01:48:49):
Thank weould love that. We love that.

Speaker 4 (01:48:50):
Thank you, Carl.

Speaker 3 (01:48:52):
Carl Bentley, the CEO First Tree Greater Detroit, just a
tremendous individual doing the Lord's work. Really, because anybody that
works with kids and tries to get kids on the
right path, right, you're okay in my book? Man, These
kids out here, I'm telling you I got two of them.
They need a little Carl Bentley in there, can I?

Speaker 6 (01:49:16):
Boy, can I say one thing about that, if you
guys don't mind.

Speaker 8 (01:49:18):
He brought up the caddy program, And as you know,
Maz's youngest daughter, Maddie just got the Evans Scholarship through
the country club that she worked for. And it's such
a wonderful program that the members create a scholarship for
the best caddies who not only prove it on the course,
but prove it in the classroom. And you can make
a really dog gone good living as a caddy. It

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is a freaking great job, especially if you pick it
up as a young kid. So I'm that was gonna
be my question, guys if you didn't ask it about
a caddy program or something like that, because if you
can't golf and get it into the hole, like you know,
make hole in ones, you can make a pretty dog gone.

Speaker 6 (01:49:55):
Living if you know the game. So I'm glad they
offer that.

Speaker 4 (01:49:57):
No doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:49:58):
It's just it's a great summer job as well. And
as you were saying, you know, just the ability to
meet people and to meet successful people that meet the
right people, and Ricky, that's that's a really big part
of it. You know, you talk about Maz's daughters and
they've all caddied and they've all you did it as well.

(01:50:20):
You know, you meet people maybe you wouldn't otherwise meet.
And just those simple conversations, I say simple conversations, those
simple conversations that you have on the golf course over
the course of four or five even six hours sometimes correct,
Those are meaningful, those are lasting, and you talk about this.
So it's a great cause and we invite everybody to

(01:50:40):
check it out. By the way, Tigers right now they
have two on in the bottom of the ninth, they
are down four to nothing. So look, I don't know
if they're gonna come back, come back and win or not.
It doesn't matter. We're running out of show here, so
I don't know if this one will be over by
the time that we get off the air. But the

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idea is this team just does give up. Down four
nothing in the bottom of the ninth, it's it's Torkosen
walks and then he got back to back stra I guess.
Then Baiez gets a base hit, and now Tray Sweeney after.
This team does not quit. It was three games in
the Dodgers series. It was right up until the end

(01:51:24):
in that Seattle loss, is no doubt about it. First,
they should have beaten Seattle in the one game they
lost in that series. And even today it's another situation
where they Sweeny's got a full count. I have to
do a little bit of a watch party with you,
But a little bit of a watch party with you
full count, your one ball away from putting the tying

(01:51:45):
run at the plate. I mean, that's what this team
is all about right now. It's a special team. I
truly believe this is the best team in the American League.
If they can got if they can get healthy, if
they can get Parker Meadows back, this staff, just everything
about this team. I just love this team.

Speaker 6 (01:52:06):
Are they rocky too?

Speaker 4 (01:52:07):
They just keep coming.

Speaker 3 (01:52:09):
After you, right? So yeah, So Pistons off tonight, Red
Wings off tonight. So uh, you know, watch a show tonight.
There's nothing going on, there is nothing to do. Maybe
be a good friend, a good spouse, a good boyfriend

(01:52:33):
and girlfriend walk up. Uh and here we go, tying
run at the play. I mean, this team is incredible.

Speaker 6 (01:52:42):
Rock Apollo's holding his ribs right now.

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
I mean it is insane. This team will not go away.

Speaker 4 (01:52:51):
He's holding his ribs.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
Wow. So here we go, bases loaded.

Speaker 4 (01:52:58):
This is good.

Speaker 6 (01:52:59):
It's a conference at the of course, they don't want
to blow it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:03):
And who's up at the plate. One of the hottest tigers,
Zach mckinst course, right, he could.

Speaker 6 (01:53:11):
He could put the icing on the cake right here.

Speaker 3 (01:53:13):
That's right, dude. Oh my goodness. So all right, guys, well,
I'm not gonna do a play by play from you.
You want to sell me. I look at the face
he wants. I want to do a play by play
for you. Oh no, I forgot you're about but I'm not.
I'm not going to spoil it for everybody. Turn the
game on heavyweights coming up at five heavy.

Speaker 4 (01:53:37):
Do they win or not? Yes? I hope you win.

Speaker 3 (01:53:45):
All right, guys, have fun? Uh do the play by play?
They want the play by I want the play boff.
People want the play by play? You want?

Speaker 4 (01:53:55):
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:53:56):
We're still Tigers. Okay, just do a little bit of
a watch party, the quick watch party, high quick one
five minute watch party.

Speaker 4 (01:54:07):
Got pulling it up here?

Speaker 3 (01:54:09):
Okay, five minute watch party for the Tiger. Is that
this ball in the dirt?

Speaker 6 (01:54:17):
One in one count?

Speaker 3 (01:54:19):
All right, Pete, you got it? Because I can't get
the game the dirt.

Speaker 6 (01:54:22):
Two and one count. Put the screen and go ahead, Brody,
hang on.

Speaker 4 (01:54:26):
Two and one count.

Speaker 6 (01:54:27):
We got I got my I got the MLB app up.

Speaker 8 (01:54:30):
Okay, we got a two and one count right now
on Zach McKinstry with Williams on the mound for the Yankees.

Speaker 6 (01:54:38):
Two and one pitch coming up right now to Zach McKinstry.

Speaker 3 (01:54:42):
As he waits, let's go.

Speaker 8 (01:54:46):
As he waits, it is the third pitch or the
fourth pitch is coming up here. Eventually, let's go. Eventually
the fourth pitch will eventual we be coming up here.

Speaker 3 (01:55:02):
I can't bring up the video because they you have a.

Speaker 8 (01:55:06):
P A boy, Oh, I got you, appreciate it? Are
you watching the three D p A boys? Where's the
next pitch?

Speaker 3 (01:55:12):
Come on?

Speaker 4 (01:55:12):
Baby?

Speaker 13 (01:55:14):
Three crazy kids stream with three yes.

Speaker 14 (01:55:27):
This is drive crazy hore Bias. Trey Sweeney all scores.
Zach McKinstry is now on second base. Two up, justin,
Henry malloe. I got you boys, there we go. We're
having a little in front baby you they got it,
so do that's pretty good stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:55:49):
This is good.

Speaker 3 (01:55:50):
How about Henry malloy.

Speaker 2 (01:55:55):
Pitching change?

Speaker 8 (01:55:56):
Now, pitching change?

Speaker 6 (01:55:57):
Mark Junior is coming in all.

Speaker 3 (01:56:00):
Right, Sorry for that change.

Speaker 6 (01:56:05):
So there's gonna be a pitching change coming up. Everybody,
we have a pitching change.

Speaker 4 (01:56:10):
You got it? You got it?

Speaker 6 (01:56:11):
Ryan, I got you man.

Speaker 4 (01:56:12):
You're good. All right?

Speaker 3 (01:56:14):
Now I have the show. It's over.

Speaker 4 (01:56:18):
It's over.

Speaker 3 (01:56:18):
Go watch the Tigers. Go watch the Tigers four to
three time run on second pitching change.

Speaker 4 (01:56:24):
Goodbye, We'll see you tomorrow.