July 13, 2023 • 47 mins
On this weeks episode, Tash and Kass dive into the meaning of the phrase "Beauty is Pain". Growing up Tash heard this phrase over and over whenever someone referred to beautiful clothing or shoes being painful. But why does beauty have to be painful? Why can't it be comfortable and effortless?
Kass took a deep dive on this phrase hoping she will be the one to educate Tash on something! (Highly unlikely but we shall see...) This epsiode is fun, informative and will hopefully allow us all to remove this concept from our everyday vernacular and make the future not only beautiful, but comfortable too!
Links for this weeks episode:
https://justhindi.in/beauty-is-pain-meaning/
https://mix957gr.com/moments-in-history-when-beauty-is-pain-was-taken-way-too-literal/
https://sipofculture.com/2022/02/09/how-we-are-programmed-to-believe-that-beauty-is-pain/
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Kass took a deep dive on this phrase hoping she will be the one to educate Tash on something! (Highly unlikely but we shall see...) This epsiode is fun, informative and will hopefully allow us all to remove this concept from our everyday vernacular and make the future not only beautiful, but comfortable too!
Links for this weeks episode:
https://justhindi.in/beauty-is-pain-meaning/
https://mix957gr.com/moments-in-history-when-beauty-is-pain-was-taken-way-too-literal/
https://sipofculture.com/2022/02/09/how-we-are-programmed-to-believe-that-beauty-is-pain/
Links to us:
Website: https://www.va-bridal.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/versailles_atelier_bridal/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/vabridal
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Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/VA_Bridal/
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBJqW5cox4z0GqgE9vwRAZA
Rainbow Wedding Network: https://www.rainbowweddingnetwork.com/formal-wear-apparel/ut/south%20jordan/versailles-atelier-bridal
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(00:15):
Well, past, I am excitedfor you to educate me on something that
I know nothing about, which isinteresting because it comes from a French terms.
You're gonna start talking, I'm gonnabe like, I already knew that.
Well, I'm gonna have to haveyou pronounce the term anyways, because
I will butcher it. But I'lltry. What's one thing in fashion that
(00:38):
everybody constantly says, Oh, youmean beauty is pain? Yes, and
apparently I'm meant to suffer if Iwant to look good. Right, that's
a warped mindset if I've ever heardit for real, but I think I
said it one day, or weconstantly say it joking if we're in an
itchy gown or whatnot. But Iwas like, oh, I wonder where
(01:00):
that term came from. Yeah,and I mean on the top of my
head. I have no idea.It's just something I feel like that's been
ingrained right for so long. Yeah, Like I have never not heard that
term right, which is mind boggling. I mean maybe not right why as
much recently, But I do feellike occasionally get somebody that's like, well,
(01:23):
if it hurts, it means Ilook good, you know, being
like right, and I think dueto COVID, we have gone down a
path of wearing more baggyar clothes,streetwear, comfy clothes at least I have,
yeah, I mean and learning nowat the you know, old age
(01:46):
of thirty four. According to mychildren, that I am slowly like giving
zero f's what anybody thinks about meand what I'm wearing. It's like,
okay, well, if I feelgood, I feel like myself that day,
that's all that matters. Some twentysix and I'm already there. Well
(02:06):
you gotta, I mean, accordingto that TikTok, if you were born
in the nineties, you're already dead. Love that love, that love that
I'm beauty is pain. I evenhave eight disturbing historical practices that prove beauty
is pain. Oh god, that'sterrifying. Okay, well, I know
what. You probably know all ofthem already, but it's fine. Okay,
(02:30):
Well, I need you to pronouncethis term for me. Oh okay,
oh god, I'm gonna sat long. It's been since I take Do
you want me to try to pronounceit? So it's the illful? Wow.
(02:51):
We'll pretend that that was accurate alot better than where I was gonna
go it's fine. So anyways,this term so the pain you suffer is
beautiful? It does, so itbasically says that one must suffer to be
beautiful. Love that. What aboutthat is appealing? You know what?
It sounds like. It sounds likesome asshole dude was like, you're suffering.
(03:15):
Well, I find it attractive.I mean it just like probably some
asshole king said it or something somethinglike that. And I also think because
we have internalized this idea where werecognize pain and almost immediately we label the
pain as valuable. But I thinkit probably was this idea of a perfect
(03:38):
human. Yes, and if you'renot in that perfect human and you morph
your body to that and it's painful, well you're already looking like that beautiful
human. Yeah, well what Imean. And I'm only going to say
this because right now I am listeningto Brazen by Julia Hart, which I
know if you guys don't know whoJulia Hart is, she is an angel
(03:59):
here on Earth. And I hador this woman, the most iconic five
foot woman on this planet. Yeah, she's the tiniest little thing, but
she um was raised in a veryorthodox Jewish community in New York, and
I mean what you think, LikeI saw them when I was in New
York, like walking around the blackhat like Jewish community where they had their
(04:23):
top hats. They were going,you know, shopping in certain areas that
have everything. First raised in anOrthodox community in another country, um,
in Texas when they moved here fromRussia from Russia and then converted. Yeah,
that's right. Um So anyways,in listening to all of this,
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you know, obviously from my pointof view, it's a very extreme religion,
but for some others it's everyday life. But just listening to all of
this religious talk lately, so manypeople in religious groups believe that to suffer
means you are christ like yep,that if you want an easy life and
(05:08):
an easy path, what's wrong withyou? And I feel like if you
follow the values that this religion orcommunity has set, then you will go
to their said afterlife, heaven whateverthey call it, even if you're unhappy,
(05:31):
even if you're hate in life.But if you're following their rules,
you're set absolutely so, so that'sback to the whole you know, just
to suffer is to be beautiful.That's kind of what I assume is that
it. Maybe somewhere was something religiousbase, right, you know, just
in the mindset that's suffering is achrist life, a christ like action?
(05:57):
I listen, I have had allsorts of levels of suffering in my life
and has it helped me grow asa person. I believe it has.
But it's not that I'm wishing tosuffer my hardest times. I would never
want to go back to even thoughthey have made me who I am.
Those were the worst times. Yeah, But for me, beauty should not
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be a thing we suffer forever.Nope. We should just be accepted for
how we are. And whatever yourprocess is to feeling beautiful, that's fine.
Whatever you want to put on yourbody also fine. Exactly if you
are someone who does not want toage naturally and you want to put in
all the fillers and all of theyou know, esthetician level things, plastic
(06:46):
surgery, go for it. Thatit you do you, Yeah, but
if you don't, if maybe oneanother person is kind of telling you to
do something thing, yeah, tolook beautiful. Yeah, it's not.
Do you Like we always get bridesin that talk about like that extreme shape
(07:10):
where to second their stomach. Well, women are made to carry extra fat
as well as we have a uterusthere to house a beautiful human. Our
bodies are literal gateways from a spiritualworld to a physical world exactly, which
(07:30):
means it's going to come in allshapes and sizes and just love thyself exactly.
Well, um, I came outwhat my family says, a two
year old. Because I was ninepounds twelve ounces and twenty three and a
half inches long. You essentially werea toddler. It's fine. Shandah was
close to toddler esk when she wasborn to It's fine, so but it
(07:55):
can definitely our brains are wired twosocial media. Just growing up, we
had America's next top model. Therewere those perfect humans that were bone and
six feet tall, and every femalesinger like Britney Spirits, Christina Aguilerajica Simpson,
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all of them in their low lowand like barely covering an ass crack,
low rise jeans with the crop topswere there would either be some type
of under boob or side boob withthe leanest and toned tummy. And there
(08:43):
was no way in hell I wasgoing to look like that unless I just
didn't eat and constantly exercised. Yeah, you know, what I mean,
But I thought that's what I neededto look like, right, And I
love that you brought up celebrities becausesomething that when I was researching I found
interesting was not only fashion. Weget a lot of musicians and actors who
(09:09):
are applauded after exploiting their pain.And one big person was Adele after her
twenty one album came out, sayingshe said that she will never write songs
as good as the ones that areon twenty one, reflecting her recognition that
her pain renders beautiful art in theeyes of the public. Well, yeah,
(09:30):
I mean everybody relates to pain andsuffering, right, because everyone in
their lifetime will experience some level ofsuffrage of any kind, any kind.
And I mean that's what sells,right, is suffering and sex and any
(09:52):
just things that you know that everydayperson is going to relate to. Yeah,
but it's crazy. I'm okay,Well, I'm gonna quit just randomly
talking to you and let you knowthese things because I'm decided adatman. Well,
and we'll have these in the shownotes. But I've got eight disturbing
(10:13):
historical practices that proved beauteous pain overtime that scared me, okay, I'm
ready. So the first one isnineteenth century corsets occasionally broke ribs. Oh
yeah, it was okay. Firstof all, these corsets were made of
legit whale bone, like the backof the corset was the spine of a
(10:35):
whale, which would force you tostand straight, because if you slouched at
all, girl, you are gettingpoked and jabbed. Yeah, and then
after that metal well and I lovethis, it would often cause digestive issues.
No shit, I'm my ax,I already have that. Why do
(10:58):
I need more of that? Well, and you can like google stuff,
but like they have, you know, historical images of skeletons from the times
of corset wearing, and girls wereput in corsets at very young ages so
that as their bodies grew they thatwould be their natural shape without it.
(11:18):
But it also caused issue where alot of women would be corset training from
like the age of what five,right, they could not function without one
on, Like their body wasn't strongenough to support the way they were shaped
without a corset. That's insane.Like I instantly think of the some of
(11:39):
the people on like my strange addictionwhere they removed ribs to look like Barbie
or stuff like that. When Iknow there was one where she had the
rings around her neck and when itcame time to removing her neck wasn't strong
enough to hold her head exactly well. And and it's in the case with
(12:01):
these like their torsos weren't strong enoughto support the way that they had been
shavened. And so for me learningthose things and just being so grateful I
live in the day and age Ido. And then now all these adult
women they're like, oh, Ido waste training. Granted I know it's
not the same thing, but likeit's the same thing. It's the twenty
(12:24):
first century version it is. It'sthem being like, oh, you want
to have that hourglass figure, youneed to waste train so that your boobs
look big, your ass looks big, but your waiste looks like the size
of nothing, right, which isthe same thing. But yeah, corsets
are wild, yeah, and apparentlylike the severe boning one continued up until
(12:46):
nineteen o eight, when a doctorwas taking X rays in attempt to prove
that the corsets were dangerous, andhis work led to the invention and eventually
the widespread use of a more flexiblecomfort corset, which why because you know,
(13:07):
because they're literally women's fashion was dictatedby dudes saying this is what we've
decided we're attracted to, so youneed to look like this, and it's
dumb. It's like, you knowwhat, how about you wear this shit
all day and tell me how youfeel. Oh? For real, When
my fiance questions me why I'm takingmy bra off or why I'm changing clothes
when I just put them on,listen, if I could live in a
(13:31):
nudest colony, I would. Imean, I don't know if I'd go
to that extreme. For me,I just hate clothes. I know you
do struggle. It's fine. Imentally struggle with, for the most part,
not wearing a bra because I wastold my whole life it's inappropriate to
not wear a bra. Oh Istill get that to this day. Yeah,
I know, but my sister andmom are like me near nimbles.
(13:54):
I'm like, sweet, everybody hasthem, even dudes. Fine, the
aiol is part of the human body. All right, Well, what's the
next podcast? On that note?M Victorian women would put ammonia on their
faces and nightshade in their eyes.Yeah, and then they go blind and
(14:16):
die. Weird, but yeah,because they believed that pale skin was the
like perfection of beauty, and womendid all the dumb things to be Casper
the friendly ghost pale. It's insaneand like I'm shading in the eyes,
(14:39):
which is a deadly poison to dilatetheir pupils. Is that an attraction thing?
What do we got going on withthe big pupils? Maybe if their
eyes are dilated, they can't seewho they're with, you know what I
mean. I don't know. Idon't think I would like also like survive
in the olden days because I hatebeing pasty white. Well, and I
(15:03):
laugh because whenever I hear night shade, I think of uh Sally from Night
Christmas. That's all I think ofis her night shade jar. That's where
I was like, oh, that'san actual thing. Yes, but she's
already dead, so it doesn't matter. You can use it for beauty if
you're already dead. Hall doesn't sheuse it on doctor Yeah, to try
(15:24):
and kill them I can't remember,well, just to like put him to
sleep. Well, yeah, butshe's also just trying to escape from himself.
If she kills them on accident.That's great, but how do you
kill something that's dead. It's insane. And then they women would before they
would head out of the house,they would paint their faces with lead makeup,
then in just a few arsenic wafersto improve the skin's translucent. Arsenic
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and lead my favorite things. Listen. I guess we really could do a
home podcast on beauty for real,because I'm laughing at this. How many
people died from like self and likeself poisoning. You know what, mini
episode? I'll see if I canfind that, and we'll do a mini
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episode next, all right, becausethat would be really interesting because apparently so
Parisian women slept in masks of rawbeef grows, what the hell? And
Barbarian women bathed in arsenic springs.If you somehow survived, you looked statuesque.
(16:34):
I can't it, Like my body'scringing. I'm fine. Well,
this is probably something that you caninform me on, okay, But number
three, did we mention the lardwigs excuse me, large wigs, like
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fake hair that they'd put on theirhead that was covered in large Yeah,
what is it? I don't what, So let's see. So it was
Victorian as well, and in manycultures, big hair is seen as a
sign of beauty and affluence. MarieAntoinette is certainly the most famous historical example
(17:23):
of this. Absolutely, the oldershe gets in her portraits, the crazier
her hair gets. But the trenddidn't stop in the late eighteenth century France.
Look at any female portrait from thenineteenth century and you'll probably see a
massive tower of hair there too.The question remains, how did they do
it? Oh no, that's thelard was used to shape the wig and
(17:48):
wake it touch God like Teresa Computo. Well, it's because they didn't have
hair gail back then. But Iwas just sitting here, like, what
do you mean there's lard and thatthat makes sense. They had to use
some type of agent to manipulate andand it will harden. Oh I you
know, historical people must have justsmelled rancid. Well, yeah, as
(18:15):
you say that. I just readsome rumors from there the time suggested that
the massive hairdos were frequently infested withrats and maggots. Yeah, no,
shit, it's not like they washedthem and restyled them. They made them
once and then you just kept rewearingit. So love me some pest infestation.
(18:40):
Yeah, I mean I never reallythought about what they used to make
those legs, right, But thatmakes sense that it was lard. Ah,
that's fun. I'm glad I don'tput lard in my hair currently.
Yeah. No, I'm good.Hate hair gel as it is. Oh,
I hate hairspring, I know,I'm like, it's fine. Well
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number four makes Muffy hurt. Butin parts of China, women bound their
feet to create a lotus foot isn'thave you seen those feet? They're scary.
It's terrifying. Like that's gotta beso painful. I I can't imagine
walking on my feet that way wherethey're like legit shaped like this? Like
(19:26):
do they use a lot of umlight a cane? I doubt they have
been true because this was popularized inthe tenth or eleventh century. Does it
say which dynasty? It was justa curios so it says it was a
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common practice for social classes in ImperialChina. Oh, okay, for several
several hundred years. It was asign of status, as women could only
bind her feet if she could affordto stay home. I wonder why,
because you ain't walking. That's sosad. Yeah, yeah, I know
(20:07):
that. I know. That's onethat whenever I thought about beauty is pain,
I've always mentally thought of was thewomen who bound their feet because it
just seems like such a barbaric practicethat I cannot imagine and like, but
yeah, their feet were just lookedso tiny because of it, and the
shoes were so small like doll's feetto me, yeah, like it looks
(20:33):
so painful, and I think,no, they're not coming in here.
I'm sorry guys. Were people lookingat us as we've got our headphones and
microphones up to us? Yeah?Well, so it said that if this
practice isn't mind blowing enough, somecompanies were still making shoes for women with
(20:53):
lotus feet until nineteen ninety nine.What Yeah, a lot of women were
still practicing that for quite some time. Weird. I would be interested to
find a video of just watching likehow they got their feet shaped that way
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and how they bind it. Ithink it's kind of like just because it's
interesting, you know, like awaste trainer, you slowly get there,
like you well, yeah, butI mean like I'm curious in the process
of wrapping, like what it lookslike, like what age do they start,
and is it like you just robit so that the foot is really
tight, and then as they startto slowly curl underneath the big toel,
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you just keep ropping tighter and tighter. I don't know, it hurts me,
Yeah, I couldn't. I meanthat that's one that I know.
A lot of ancient China had alot of that, like body dysforming to
(21:56):
symbolize status, well and beauty.Yeah, well they did that in Spain
at a certain time. There wasa lot of women who would shave their
hairline back to have a longer forehead. Really interesting. Yeah, it's kind
of creepy looking. I bet Ican't imagine having my hairline or seed back
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like two inches and be like away back here, there was a religious
reason to it. I don't rememberwhat it is right now. But well,
going back on the women putting arsenicon themselves to look pale. In
the Middle Ages, some women bledthemselves with leeches to look pale. Did
(22:41):
you know you can still do bloodletting in Serbia? I think there's some
practices within the US. Babba tellsme that that was how she would get
her blood pressure down when she waspregnant. I wonder why blah blah,
Oh what I wish I could couldhave had a vau and forehead bond you.
But she told me that. I'mlike, you want me to see
(23:03):
Serveian doctors and they are blood lettingyou and your blood pressures. Was it
they were doing it or was itBubba's her doctor. You gonna have blood
pressure. Here's a leech. We'rejust gonna cut you a little bit and
let you drain some. I couldnot. Could you imagine learning that in
(23:23):
school? Oh? My, heaven'told world? I would love to just
because my medical brain goes off.I'd love to look up like old world
medical practices and techniques and stuff.Yeah, because I wonder what it feels
like shoud I don't know, butI don't want to know. I don't
want to leech sucking blood out ofmy body. If any of our listeners
(23:47):
has had a leech on them,let me know. I want to know
what it feels like. No,thanks, I'm fine. I've always been
so scared. Yeah, no thanks, I'm good. Well, hopping into
the nineteen thirties, you could buyradioactive cosmetics. Yeah, I guess what
a lot of the women who madethose cosmetics died. I wonder why you
got real bad cancer and stuff,and they're thyroid. Oh god. And
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so whenever I had to help inprimary children's with holding kids down, fags,
raise and stuff, I'm like,can we make sure that I've got
that thyroid shield? Thank you?Yeah? So does it say what radioactive
materials they put in the cosmetics?Yes, it was thorium and radium.
I'm not sure what thorium is.I'm not sure either, but it sounds
(24:33):
terrifying. They it would supposedly improvethe complexion. Sure, sure, we're
gonna put again radioactive material on ourfaces and you don't think it's gonna melt
off. That's like me wanting togo into Chernobyl and bring makeup back and
use it. Yeah, you havefun with that, you know what I'm
(24:56):
down. Nobody listened to this.Nobody shot that down. That is not
not written, But don't. Idon't. If I were you, I'd
probably not suggest going to Chernobyl anytimesoon. I want to go so bad.
Probably not right now, though,Fine, it's probably not ideal arena.
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If you're listening, let me knowwhat a good time to go is.
Was that too soon? Good lord? Cassidy. Love you Arena,
I really just want to visit you. We both do well. Next trend
was ancient Greek women would create unibrowsout of goat's hair and tree sap.
(25:37):
Yeah, I remember that one.I wonder, like, why are you
and a brow? I don't know, I've already told you. Bubbo is
obsessed with her eyebrows. Bros eyebrows? Does she have to have on like
perfectly shaped or what? Just theerand fuller they are, the more beautiful
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you are. Oh my gosh,she's got this same practice as ancient Greek.
Well guess what. Greece is notthat far away from Serbia, so
he apparently. Great poets of thetime talked about the appeal of big,
thick, perfectly connected brows, andwomen went to incredible lengths to obtain the
desirable future so bizarre. Hey,Bubba, can you teach me your brows
(26:26):
technique? Yeah? Well, Istarted waxing and plucking at a young age
because of how coarse and thick mySlavac hair is. I get so easily.
I'm like, I am Western Europeanand I have no clue where my
thick hair comes from. I don'tknow Is it a Dutch thing. I
(26:48):
don't think so. Dutch are typicallylike the blonde, blue eyed almost made
a really bad comments. Fine,okay, that's all your towards, okay,
sask. So what's the next one? After ancient Greece? And they're
beautiful, beautiful eyebrows. Eyebrows,beautiful eyebrows. Man, I sound so
(27:08):
good and served well. Facial maskelectrocutes women's faces to tone the mescles.
People have that shit? Now?No, yes they do. Yeah,
No, I don't think it workslike that. Guys. I did the
laser high removal thing in my faceand guess what, it's still didn't get
(27:29):
rid of shit on my face.I still get it. No, I
know what you're saying to the muscle, but I remember the shock of having
that shit zapped on my face,and I, just in correlating it too,
said, mask, that's zapping theshit out of my face. Oh
see, I had it done andI didn't feel anything good for you.
That was not me. Actually,I felt I could have fallen asleep and
(27:52):
I had full body. I'm herefor it. I did like lip chin
like underneath my chin here and thenup my nose. I will tell you
doing it up. Your nose isprobably like the best, like it got
rid of that hair. I havethat done. I did legs, Brazilian
(28:12):
face, nose, armpits. Andlet's just say that my possible future sister
in law has seen some places thatprobably didn't want to. But hey,
it's fine. It's such a gitfamily's family. It's true. Well,
those were the eight disturbing historical practices. I know there are others interesting,
(28:37):
okay, because I feel like wetalk yeah about them all the time.
Yeah. Well, and it's just, at least for me from school,
a lot of its common knowledge.Like I said, I always knew about
the wigs and the weight and thenastiness of those wigs from that time,
but I never thought about lard.And I'm sure they told me and it
just dumped out of my brain.Well then it's interesting just to see from
(29:03):
like continent to continent, because Iknow there was one day I was watching
on TikTok it popped up where thiswoman was bidding visiting a tribe in Africa
where part of a I guess,like going into adulthood, they would at
a certain age bulk the women atthe age of like ten to twelve and
(29:30):
high coloric intake, and they woulddo a lot of like most of the
other women in villagers, like wouldn'teat to make sure that certain women had
the high caloric intake because being acurvier woman was what appealed to men.
(29:51):
So in order to make sure thatyou your future is in good hands and
wealth and all of that, theywould like force feed you so much and
it just made me want to vomit. But then she, the woman who
was going to research, would talkto the guys and they're like, yeah,
I only want a Kurby woman.Yeah. Well, and you know
(30:15):
in that, like if you lookat historical figures, like because obviously one
thing that was always reiterated for likethe history of costume class and like clothing
and any time period that we wouldspecifically learn about is the historical documents we
have are going to be people thatwere of some type of status and wealth,
(30:38):
like in what we saw in likewe're clothes and stuff. So they've
had opportunities to have found like olderitems and things that they've been able to
historically decide would be affiliated with alower class individual what have you. But
the reason curvy people were so appealingis because it meant you had money,
(31:00):
you had security, you've always hadfood. Yeah, And so that's why
there was like a lot of kingslike you'd see, you know, paintings
of that were larger, same withqueens, and it was just such a
status thing in we equated to wealth. Yeah. And it's crazy because obviously
(31:22):
in today's day and age, it'snot that way. It's it's the opposite.
Yeah, you have money, you'reable to get the light bo and
bow talks, the yeah mommy makemakeovers, bbls and all of that,
say classes and oh the bar classes. I am not that type of woman.
My sister called me yesterday asking togo to hip hop class and I
(31:45):
was like, nah, yeah,I would rather go to bed. I
feel that, but I couldn't sleep. It's name, It's fine, You're
still crazy. Did you find anyother crazy articles that had any good information
or not? Really? That wasmainly it. I kind of just wanted
to know where that coined term camefrom. And then I stumbled upon musicians,
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actors and those disturbing practices. SoI'm like, I wonder what else
is out there? I'm sure alot, And like I said, I
would assume that French term came fromsome form of religious fanatical mindset, and
it was more fear driven in ifyou don't do these things, then you're
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not christ Like, you're not appealingto a righteous man who's going to marry
you, you know what I mean. Like, like I said in Julia
Hart's book, she was kind ofreiterating that with the wigs you have to
wear because once you're married, youcan no longer show your natural hair.
You've got to wear a wig,wig or a scarf. Yeah, but
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in the world she was living andraised in, it was even deemed unholy
to have your home see you naturally. So her husband when they were first
married, and her, I mean, she didn't like it, but she
was raised to believe this. Shewould sleep in her wigs really to keep
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her hair covered. But I'm like, how do you then wash your hair
if you're not supposed to let yourhome see your natural hair? Like,
I have all these questions, andI just want to ask her all these
questions. Oh my gosh, we'rereal. But if you're listening, we
aren't going to New York in October. We'd love to meet with you.
We'd love to have lunch with youand be best friends with the at fives.
But the but it was it wasinteresting because she talked about the amount
of pain you're in wearing these wigsbecause you have so many clips and things
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in your hair. Oh my gosh, the migraine aches. And she complained
to her mom one day, justsaying how much pain she was in,
and her mom reminded her, likesuffering, Now, you're meant to suffer
as a woman to remind you ofyour place in this world, and that
you suffer to give your husband andchildren a better life. Well, and
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I know that a lot of theOrthodox Jewish practices were separating male and female
until that time of marriage. Wellyeah, and like she taught she was
a teacher, Julia was m ohI didn't know that. And she said
that even in teaching, it wasnot appropriate for her to teach boys.
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She could only teach girls. Anda lot of times they couldn't be in
the same room as men, likeat all, other than their husband.
And even then there are certain timesyou're still not allowed to be alone with
your husband, even once you're married. Like it's just so weird. And
I think nowadays I feel like alittle bit of that practice depending on the
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severity, not severity, the devotiontowards that church. I feel like the
at home is okay if it's womenand your husband. Oh yeah, and
I'm everything's got to modernize, youknow what I mean. The whole beauty
is pain thing has modernized, wheremost modern women are like yeah, screw
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that. Oh yeah, no,no, you know what I mean.
Like I it is definitely a termthat I heard a lot growing up that
I never understood, but then asI got older and what was depicted in
media, I was just like,that's why a lot of people I grew
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up with had some form of eatingdisorder. Yeah, because they felt that
they needed to look a certain way, so they put their body through hell
to look that way. And thehealth repercussions they have had in their adult
lives. I can only imagine wellin with eating disorders, because hello,
I'm diagnosed and suffer with the one. It It's very it's within those mental
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diagnoses that stay with you forever.It's something you constantly have in the back
of your head. It's something you'reconstantly trying to battle. And my mom
was diagnosed with antaraxia in high schooland she still suffers with it. Oh,
I can It's hard. Yeah,I can't imagine. And I've always
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been really grateful that even though Istill was raised in a way to overly
worry about the size of my bodyand the way I looked that, as
an adult, I've been able towork through that and disassociate a lot and
not have that around my kids,you know what I mean. But it
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is hard when culturally you're raised,and it doesn't matter if it's a religious
culture or just a generational culture,right. But well, I was diagnosed
with the other end of the spectrumof binge eating. And I know that
when I got on some medication orI was working on my weight lost journey
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and everything, there were times wheremy appetite was just curved. And and
when my appetite's curved, I'm nauseous. I don't have interest in food.
And I know my fiance and mymom were truly worried and terrified that I
was going down the anaraxia path becauseI could see that. Yeah, but
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I was like, no, thisis literally like I'm not hungry, I
don't want to eat. Like itwasn't that I was forcing myself to not
eat. But it was funny becausemy mom was like, well, you
need to eat and all this stuff, and I'm like, okay, pop
calling kettle black. You do too, like don't be on my back when
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I need to be on yours.Yeah. Well, and you know,
we sit in a position where wecan laugh at this article where we're like,
wow, these practices are crazy.They put ammonia and nightshade on their
face, they put lard in theirwigs and then would have it filled with
maggots. Like no shit. Butyou know, the saying has always been
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hindsight is twenty twenty, which wesit in a position that we can look
back at that and laugh. WhichI always wonder when my grandkids are adults.
If I have grandkids, what arethey going to laugh at and be
like Grandma, this stuff he didwas insane. Oh I can't wait,
like I do wonder because there's Imean, I know I think that all
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the time with like beauty products andany medicinal anything. And I'm definitely not
a worrier where I'm like, I'mgoing to know everything in it. But
I still would like Layman's terms onwhat these things are, because medical terms
I don't understand or like how theycan counteract or whatever. But like as
an adult, I've had to considerreally reading labels on stuff being gluten free.
(39:00):
Yeah. Fortunately most products now aremade that way. They don't have
as many fillers. There's definitely somethingthat still do, but a lot have
gone away from gluten free. Yeah. There, It's insane how the food
industry has adapted to that, becauseI felt like ten years ago that was
not a thing. It wasn't andI never would have thought of that.
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And then same with since I'm allergicto nature, sometimes vegan products are really
bad for me. Yeah, becausedepending on the plant they use in lieu
of whatever other products I could coverin a rash because there. I had
gotten a n eye palette from acompany that was a London based one,
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and I didn't think about it whenI said it was all plant based,
and I would wear the shadows,and I remember my eyes just kept swelling
and I was like trying to figureout what I was using that was making
my eyes swell. And I knowmy mom had grown into an allergy of
red dye in cosmetics, so asshe got older, she couldn't wear anything
(40:05):
that was like red pink purple tones, and so I was like, well,
shit, maybe I'm developing her allergy. Right. Well, my I
had stopped wearing a lot of makeup. I remember it was coming to work,
like just clean face because I'm like, I need to get the swelling
under control. I was putting quarterson on my eyes. Well, once
everything, like the swelling had gonedown, I was so sick of like
(40:29):
not wearing makeup because it's like Idefinitely like no makeup days, and I
have them often, but I'm stillingrained that if I'm at work, I
have to have makeup. I needto have my hair done, I need
to look put together, because that'sjust what I've been told my whole life.
And I was getting ready and Ihad had that eye palette out and
I was putting on like just aneutral color at first, before I layered
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the other colors. And I rememberse I'm picking it up, and he
was like, is this a newpalette And I said, yeah, I
got it a few weeks ago.I said, some I haven't been wearing
a lot of makeup lately, haven'tused it. And so he's like,
I haven't heard of this brand,and I was like, yeah, it's
a London based When I saw anad for it and really liked the colors,
I thought it was fun. Heturns it over and he's like,
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honey, you know this is plantbased, right, And I was like
yeah, And he's like, you'reallergic to plants. And he was reading
and he's like, I don't thinkyou're developing a red die allergy. I
think you're putting plants you're allergic toon your eyeballs. And I sat there,
I'm like, you know, that'sprobably valid. It makes sense.
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So I washed my face and tookoff like just the neutral color from that
palette I put on readid like allof that foundation and everything. And so
I decided to try a different paletteof mine that had red colors to see
guess what guys in and swell weird. So long story short is, I
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suffered thinking i'd look pretty, andinstead my eyeball swelled shut and I could
not see for several days. Dang, And I just never really thought about
it. Yeah, and so andafter that moment, I was like,
shit, I really need to readwhat the hell I'm putting on my face?
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Right? But like younger me,I was lucky if I watched my
face and threw on any lotion,let alone a whole regiment of Oh my
gosh, for real, I neverread the label of anything. I was
just like, oh, this ison sale. Okay. That's how these
women had, you know, radioactivecosmetics, because all they didn't have anything
(42:37):
on a label. Then it wasjust hey, this, I'll make you
look pretty. This will give youpale porcelain skin that all the men want,
right And I know, for me, I can read medical like it's
nobody's business. But when it comesto like ingredients in like the weird compound
(42:58):
of makeup and food, i'mlike,excuse me, what are you well?
Yeah, but I mean I couldimagine at this point in time, there's
a lot of things that are manmade ingredients, like in a lab.
Yeah, of some kind. Ineed to find her Instagram. But there's
this lady who is educated in nutritionand she posts like a US product versus
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another country's product. There are alot of ingredients that we still use in
the US that are banned in othercountries. And I'm like, that makes
me feel great. Yeah, ButI mean a lot of other places have
even banned food that have any typeof you know preservative that's going to keep
something you know, good quote unquoteon a shelf a long period of time.
(43:47):
So I mean there's definitely a lotof regulation, which depending on the
person you are, you're going tosee that as a positive or negative or
whatever. But I know, Ifeel like beauty standards in well the standards
of like beauty, like ingredients havechanged just because of Google. Yah.
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People can google stuff. They canfind out what an ingredient is, what
it's meant to do, is itsafe, not safe, what have you,
which historically you couldn't do that ifsomebody said you're going to do this
because I said so, you justdid. You did it, which you
can even help like the makeup influencers. And I love the way that Lady
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Gaga has explained on her House Labsthe skin Tech Foundation and why it's good
for you and everything that goes intoit and the health benefits for the skin
and everything. I love that themaker of the makeup broke down what this
is and why. Yeah, andit definitely gives warm, fuzzy feelings.
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But then there are the companies whostill inipulate in that way saying oh here's
why I did it, and thenyou find out that they might have forgotten
a couple extra ingredients that were notgreat for good. So but we're hoping
that we help in changing the oldworld mindset that you must suffer in corset
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wearing you must suffer, and bindingyour feet you must suffer in the outward
appearance you're supposed to have them makesyou more attractive and just fall in love
with your natural self? Do youdo your own beauty? Yeah? Or
hey? If you are one whoenjoys the manipulation of making your body look
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the way you want, that's fine. Because you're an adult, you're allowed
to make that choice. So I'msomewhere in the middle where like aging naturally
and gracefully I think is a badgeof honor that you get, you know
what I mean. But just becauseI got gray hairs and deep set wrinkles
(45:59):
doesn't mean I want to look oldyet. Once I am old, honey,
I'll tell you the stories of whatI went through to get these gray
hairs and these wrinkles. But rightnow, I'm gonna do everything I can
to look young. I love thatso well. If anybody's got some fun
stories of Old World tactics, oreven just like stuff you still live by
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where it falls into the beauty ispain. I would love to hear about
it. Yeah, like what traditionswere you raised with that you go were
common practice, and then as yougot older and experienced more of the world,
you realized that's a little extreme.Yeah, or you know, you
know, what practices do you dothat others might think are extreme, but
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for you it just seems normal?Yeah? Normal. I would love to
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Well, past, I am excitedfor you to educate me on something that
I know nothing about, which isinteresting because it comes from a French terms.
You're gonna start talking, I'm gonnabe like, I already knew that.
Well, I'm gonna have to haveyou pronounce the term anyways, because
I will butcher it. But I'lltry. What's one thing in fashion that
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everybody constantly says, Oh, youmean beauty is pain? Yes, and
apparently I'm meant to suffer if Iwant to look good. Right, that's
a warped mindset if I've ever heardit for real, but I think I
said it one day, or weconstantly say it joking if we're in an
itchy gown or whatnot. But Iwas like, oh, I wonder where
(01:00):
that term came from. Yeah,and I mean on the top of my
head. I have no idea.It's just something I feel like that's been
ingrained right for so long. Yeah, Like I have never not heard that
term right, which is mind boggling. I mean maybe not right why as
much recently, But I do feellike occasionally get somebody that's like, well,
(01:23):
if it hurts, it means Ilook good, you know, being
like right, and I think dueto COVID, we have gone down a
path of wearing more baggyar clothes,streetwear, comfy clothes at least I have,
yeah, I mean and learning nowat the you know, old age
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of thirty four. According to mychildren, that I am slowly like giving
zero f's what anybody thinks about meand what I'm wearing. It's like,
okay, well, if I feelgood, I feel like myself that day,
that's all that matters. Some twentysix and I'm already there. Well
(02:06):
you gotta, I mean, accordingto that TikTok, if you were born
in the nineties, you're already dead. Love that love, that love that
I'm beauty is pain. I evenhave eight disturbing historical practices that prove beauty
is pain. Oh god, that'sterrifying. Okay, well, I know
what. You probably know all ofthem already, but it's fine. Okay,
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Well, I need you to pronouncethis term for me. Oh okay,
oh god, I'm gonna sat long. It's been since I take Do
you want me to try to pronounceit? So it's the illful? Wow.
(02:51):
We'll pretend that that was accurate alot better than where I was gonna
go it's fine. So anyways,this term so the pain you suffer is
beautiful? It does, so itbasically says that one must suffer to be
beautiful. Love that. What aboutthat is appealing? You know what?
It sounds like. It sounds likesome asshole dude was like, you're suffering.
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Well, I find it attractive.I mean it just like probably some
asshole king said it or something somethinglike that. And I also think because
we have internalized this idea where werecognize pain and almost immediately we label the
pain as valuable. But I thinkit probably was this idea of a perfect
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human. Yes, and if you'renot in that perfect human and you morph
your body to that and it's painful, well you're already looking like that beautiful
human. Yeah, well what Imean. And I'm only going to say
this because right now I am listeningto Brazen by Julia Hart, which I
know if you guys don't know whoJulia Hart is, she is an angel
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here on Earth. And I hador this woman, the most iconic five
foot woman on this planet. Yeah, she's the tiniest little thing, but
she um was raised in a veryorthodox Jewish community in New York, and
I mean what you think, LikeI saw them when I was in New
York, like walking around the blackhat like Jewish community where they had their
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top hats. They were going,you know, shopping in certain areas that
have everything. First raised in anOrthodox community in another country, um,
in Texas when they moved here fromRussia from Russia and then converted. Yeah,
that's right. Um So anyways,in listening to all of this,
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you know, obviously from my pointof view, it's a very extreme religion,
but for some others it's everyday life. But just listening to all of
this religious talk lately, so manypeople in religious groups believe that to suffer
means you are christ like yep,that if you want an easy life and
(05:08):
an easy path, what's wrong withyou? And I feel like if you
follow the values that this religion orcommunity has set, then you will go
to their said afterlife, heaven whateverthey call it, even if you're unhappy,
(05:31):
even if you're hate in life.But if you're following their rules,
you're set absolutely so, so that'sback to the whole you know, just
to suffer is to be beautiful.That's kind of what I assume is that
it. Maybe somewhere was something religiousbase, right, you know, just
in the mindset that's suffering is achrist life, a christ like action?
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I listen, I have had allsorts of levels of suffering in my life
and has it helped me grow asa person. I believe it has.
But it's not that I'm wishing tosuffer my hardest times. I would never
want to go back to even thoughthey have made me who I am.
Those were the worst times. Yeah, But for me, beauty should not
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be a thing we suffer forever.Nope. We should just be accepted for
how we are. And whatever yourprocess is to feeling beautiful, that's fine.
Whatever you want to put on yourbody also fine. Exactly if you
are someone who does not want toage naturally and you want to put in
all the fillers and all of theyou know, esthetician level things, plastic
(06:46):
surgery, go for it. Thatit you do you, Yeah, but
if you don't, if maybe oneanother person is kind of telling you to
do something thing, yeah, tolook beautiful. Yeah, it's not.
Do you Like we always get bridesin that talk about like that extreme shape
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where to second their stomach. Well, women are made to carry extra fat
as well as we have a uterusthere to house a beautiful human. Our
bodies are literal gateways from a spiritualworld to a physical world exactly, which
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means it's going to come in allshapes and sizes and just love thyself exactly.
Well, um, I came outwhat my family says, a two
year old. Because I was ninepounds twelve ounces and twenty three and a
half inches long. You essentially werea toddler. It's fine. Shandah was
close to toddler esk when she wasborn to It's fine, so but it
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can definitely our brains are wired twosocial media. Just growing up, we
had America's next top model. Therewere those perfect humans that were bone and
six feet tall, and every femalesinger like Britney Spirits, Christina Aguilerajica Simpson,
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all of them in their low lowand like barely covering an ass crack,
low rise jeans with the crop topswere there would either be some type
of under boob or side boob withthe leanest and toned tummy. And there
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was no way in hell I wasgoing to look like that unless I just
didn't eat and constantly exercised. Yeah, you know, what I mean,
But I thought that's what I neededto look like, right, And I
love that you brought up celebrities becausesomething that when I was researching I found
interesting was not only fashion. Weget a lot of musicians and actors who
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are applauded after exploiting their pain.And one big person was Adele after her
twenty one album came out, sayingshe said that she will never write songs
as good as the ones that areon twenty one, reflecting her recognition that
her pain renders beautiful art in theeyes of the public. Well, yeah,
(09:30):
I mean everybody relates to pain andsuffering, right, because everyone in
their lifetime will experience some level ofsuffrage of any kind, any kind.
And I mean that's what sells,right, is suffering and sex and any
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just things that you know that everydayperson is going to relate to. Yeah,
but it's crazy. I'm okay,Well, I'm gonna quit just randomly
talking to you and let you knowthese things because I'm decided adatman. Well,
and we'll have these in the shownotes. But I've got eight disturbing
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historical practices that proved beauteous pain overtime that scared me, okay, I'm
ready. So the first one isnineteenth century corsets occasionally broke ribs. Oh
yeah, it was okay. Firstof all, these corsets were made of
legit whale bone, like the backof the corset was the spine of a
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whale, which would force you tostand straight, because if you slouched at
all, girl, you are gettingpoked and jabbed. Yeah, and then
after that metal well and I lovethis, it would often cause digestive issues.
No shit, I'm my ax,I already have that. Why do
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I need more of that? Well, and you can like google stuff,
but like they have, you know, historical images of skeletons from the times
of corset wearing, and girls wereput in corsets at very young ages so
that as their bodies grew they thatwould be their natural shape without it.
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But it also caused issue where alot of women would be corset training from
like the age of what five,right, they could not function without one
on, Like their body wasn't strongenough to support the way they were shaped
without a corset. That's insane.Like I instantly think of the some of
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the people on like my strange addictionwhere they removed ribs to look like Barbie
or stuff like that. When Iknow there was one where she had the
rings around her neck and when itcame time to removing her neck wasn't strong
enough to hold her head exactly well. And and it's in the case with
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these like their torsos weren't strong enoughto support the way that they had been
shavened. And so for me learningthose things and just being so grateful I
live in the day and age Ido. And then now all these adult
women they're like, oh, Ido waste training. Granted I know it's
not the same thing, but likeit's the same thing. It's the twenty
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first century version it is. It'sthem being like, oh, you want
to have that hourglass figure, youneed to waste train so that your boobs
look big, your ass looks big, but your waiste looks like the size
of nothing, right, which isthe same thing. But yeah, corsets
are wild, yeah, and apparentlylike the severe boning one continued up until
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nineteen o eight, when a doctorwas taking X rays in attempt to prove
that the corsets were dangerous, andhis work led to the invention and eventually
the widespread use of a more flexiblecomfort corset, which why because you know,
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because they're literally women's fashion was dictatedby dudes saying this is what we've
decided we're attracted to, so youneed to look like this, and it's
dumb. It's like, you knowwhat, how about you wear this shit
all day and tell me how youfeel. Oh? For real, When
my fiance questions me why I'm takingmy bra off or why I'm changing clothes
when I just put them on,listen, if I could live in a
(13:31):
nudest colony, I would. Imean, I don't know if I'd go
to that extreme. For me,I just hate clothes. I know you
do struggle. It's fine. Imentally struggle with, for the most part,
not wearing a bra because I wastold my whole life it's inappropriate to
not wear a bra. Oh Istill get that to this day. Yeah,
I know, but my sister andmom are like me near nimbles.
(13:54):
I'm like, sweet, everybody hasthem, even dudes. Fine, the
aiol is part of the human body. All right, Well, what's the
next podcast? On that note?M Victorian women would put ammonia on their
faces and nightshade in their eyes.Yeah, and then they go blind and
(14:16):
die. Weird, but yeah,because they believed that pale skin was the
like perfection of beauty, and womendid all the dumb things to be Casper
the friendly ghost pale. It's insaneand like I'm shading in the eyes,
(14:39):
which is a deadly poison to dilatetheir pupils. Is that an attraction thing?
What do we got going on withthe big pupils? Maybe if their
eyes are dilated, they can't seewho they're with, you know what I
mean. I don't know. Idon't think I would like also like survive
in the olden days because I hatebeing pasty white. Well, and I
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laugh because whenever I hear night shade, I think of uh Sally from Night
Christmas. That's all I think ofis her night shade jar. That's where
I was like, oh, that'san actual thing. Yes, but she's
already dead, so it doesn't matter. You can use it for beauty if
you're already dead. Hall doesn't sheuse it on doctor Yeah, to try
(15:24):
and kill them I can't remember,well, just to like put him to
sleep. Well, yeah, butshe's also just trying to escape from himself.
If she kills them on accident.That's great, but how do you
kill something that's dead. It's insane. And then they women would before they
would head out of the house,they would paint their faces with lead makeup,
then in just a few arsenic wafersto improve the skin's translucent. Arsenic
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and lead my favorite things. Listen. I guess we really could do a
home podcast on beauty for real,because I'm laughing at this. How many
people died from like self and likeself poisoning. You know what, mini
episode? I'll see if I canfind that, and we'll do a mini
(16:14):
episode next, all right, becausethat would be really interesting because apparently so
Parisian women slept in masks of rawbeef grows, what the hell? And
Barbarian women bathed in arsenic springs.If you somehow survived, you looked statuesque.
(16:34):
I can't it, Like my body'scringing. I'm fine. Well,
this is probably something that you caninform me on, okay, But number
three, did we mention the lardwigs excuse me, large wigs, like
(16:59):
fake hair that they'd put on theirhead that was covered in large Yeah,
what is it? I don't what, So let's see. So it was
Victorian as well, and in manycultures, big hair is seen as a
sign of beauty and affluence. MarieAntoinette is certainly the most famous historical example
(17:23):
of this. Absolutely, the oldershe gets in her portraits, the crazier
her hair gets. But the trenddidn't stop in the late eighteenth century France.
Look at any female portrait from thenineteenth century and you'll probably see a
massive tower of hair there too.The question remains, how did they do
it? Oh no, that's thelard was used to shape the wig and
(17:48):
wake it touch God like Teresa Computo. Well, it's because they didn't have
hair gail back then. But Iwas just sitting here, like, what
do you mean there's lard and thatthat makes sense. They had to use
some type of agent to manipulate andand it will harden. Oh I you
know, historical people must have justsmelled rancid. Well, yeah, as
(18:15):
you say that. I just readsome rumors from there the time suggested that
the massive hairdos were frequently infested withrats and maggots. Yeah, no,
shit, it's not like they washedthem and restyled them. They made them
once and then you just kept rewearingit. So love me some pest infestation.
(18:40):
Yeah, I mean I never reallythought about what they used to make
those legs, right, But thatmakes sense that it was lard. Ah,
that's fun. I'm glad I don'tput lard in my hair currently.
Yeah. No, I'm good.Hate hair gel as it is. Oh,
I hate hairspring, I know,I'm like, it's fine. Well
(19:03):
number four makes Muffy hurt. Butin parts of China, women bound their
feet to create a lotus foot isn'thave you seen those feet? They're scary.
It's terrifying. Like that's gotta beso painful. I I can't imagine
walking on my feet that way wherethey're like legit shaped like this? Like
(19:26):
do they use a lot of umlight a cane? I doubt they have
been true because this was popularized inthe tenth or eleventh century. Does it
say which dynasty? It was justa curios so it says it was a
(19:47):
common practice for social classes in ImperialChina. Oh, okay, for several
several hundred years. It was asign of status, as women could only
bind her feet if she could affordto stay home. I wonder why,
because you ain't walking. That's sosad. Yeah, yeah, I know
(20:07):
that. I know. That's onethat whenever I thought about beauty is pain,
I've always mentally thought of was thewomen who bound their feet because it
just seems like such a barbaric practicethat I cannot imagine and like, but
yeah, their feet were just lookedso tiny because of it, and the
shoes were so small like doll's feetto me, yeah, like it looks
(20:33):
so painful, and I think,no, they're not coming in here.
I'm sorry guys. Were people lookingat us as we've got our headphones and
microphones up to us? Yeah?Well, so it said that if this
practice isn't mind blowing enough, somecompanies were still making shoes for women with
(20:53):
lotus feet until nineteen ninety nine.What Yeah, a lot of women were
still practicing that for quite some time. Weird. I would be interested to
find a video of just watching likehow they got their feet shaped that way
(21:15):
and how they bind it. Ithink it's kind of like just because it's
interesting, you know, like awaste trainer, you slowly get there,
like you well, yeah, butI mean like I'm curious in the process
of wrapping, like what it lookslike, like what age do they start,
and is it like you just robit so that the foot is really
tight, and then as they startto slowly curl underneath the big toel,
(21:36):
you just keep ropping tighter and tighter. I don't know, it hurts me,
Yeah, I couldn't. I meanthat that's one that I know.
A lot of ancient China had alot of that, like body dysforming to
(21:56):
symbolize status, well and beauty.Yeah, well they did that in Spain
at a certain time. There wasa lot of women who would shave their
hairline back to have a longer forehead. Really interesting. Yeah, it's kind
of creepy looking. I bet Ican't imagine having my hairline or seed back
(22:18):
like two inches and be like away back here, there was a religious
reason to it. I don't rememberwhat it is right now. But well,
going back on the women putting arsenicon themselves to look pale. In
the Middle Ages, some women bledthemselves with leeches to look pale. Did
(22:41):
you know you can still do bloodletting in Serbia? I think there's some
practices within the US. Babba tellsme that that was how she would get
her blood pressure down when she waspregnant. I wonder why blah blah,
Oh what I wish I could couldhave had a vau and forehead bond you.
But she told me that. I'mlike, you want me to see
(23:03):
Serveian doctors and they are blood lettingyou and your blood pressures. Was it
they were doing it or was itBubba's her doctor. You gonna have blood
pressure. Here's a leech. We'rejust gonna cut you a little bit and
let you drain some. I couldnot. Could you imagine learning that in
(23:23):
school? Oh? My, heaven'told world? I would love to just
because my medical brain goes off.I'd love to look up like old world
medical practices and techniques and stuff.Yeah, because I wonder what it feels
like shoud I don't know, butI don't want to know. I don't
want to leech sucking blood out ofmy body. If any of our listeners
(23:47):
has had a leech on them,let me know. I want to know
what it feels like. No,thanks, I'm fine. I've always been
so scared. Yeah, no thanks, I'm good. Well, hopping into
the nineteen thirties, you could buyradioactive cosmetics. Yeah, I guess what
a lot of the women who madethose cosmetics died. I wonder why you
got real bad cancer and stuff,and they're thyroid. Oh god. And
(24:11):
so whenever I had to help inprimary children's with holding kids down, fags,
raise and stuff, I'm like,can we make sure that I've got
that thyroid shield? Thank you?Yeah? So does it say what radioactive
materials they put in the cosmetics?Yes, it was thorium and radium.
I'm not sure what thorium is.I'm not sure either, but it sounds
(24:33):
terrifying. They it would supposedly improvethe complexion. Sure, sure, we're
gonna put again radioactive material on ourfaces and you don't think it's gonna melt
off. That's like me wanting togo into Chernobyl and bring makeup back and
use it. Yeah, you havefun with that, you know what I'm
(24:56):
down. Nobody listened to this.Nobody shot that down. That is not
not written, But don't. Idon't. If I were you, I'd
probably not suggest going to Chernobyl anytimesoon. I want to go so bad.
Probably not right now, though,Fine, it's probably not ideal arena.
(25:17):
If you're listening, let me knowwhat a good time to go is.
Was that too soon? Good lord? Cassidy. Love you Arena,
I really just want to visit you. We both do well. Next trend
was ancient Greek women would create unibrowsout of goat's hair and tree sap.
(25:37):
Yeah, I remember that one.I wonder, like, why are you
and a brow? I don't know, I've already told you. Bubbo is
obsessed with her eyebrows. Bros eyebrows? Does she have to have on like
perfectly shaped or what? Just theerand fuller they are, the more beautiful
(26:02):
you are. Oh my gosh,she's got this same practice as ancient Greek.
Well guess what. Greece is notthat far away from Serbia, so
he apparently. Great poets of thetime talked about the appeal of big,
thick, perfectly connected brows, andwomen went to incredible lengths to obtain the
desirable future so bizarre. Hey,Bubba, can you teach me your brows
(26:26):
technique? Yeah? Well, Istarted waxing and plucking at a young age
because of how coarse and thick mySlavac hair is. I get so easily.
I'm like, I am Western Europeanand I have no clue where my
thick hair comes from. I don'tknow Is it a Dutch thing. I
(26:48):
don't think so. Dutch are typicallylike the blonde, blue eyed almost made
a really bad comments. Fine,okay, that's all your towards, okay,
sask. So what's the next one? After ancient Greece? And they're
beautiful, beautiful eyebrows. Eyebrows,beautiful eyebrows. Man, I sound so
(27:08):
good and served well. Facial maskelectrocutes women's faces to tone the mescles.
People have that shit? Now?No, yes they do. Yeah,
No, I don't think it workslike that. Guys. I did the
laser high removal thing in my faceand guess what, it's still didn't get
(27:29):
rid of shit on my face.I still get it. No, I
know what you're saying to the muscle, but I remember the shock of having
that shit zapped on my face,and I, just in correlating it too,
said, mask, that's zapping theshit out of my face. Oh
see, I had it done andI didn't feel anything good for you.
That was not me. Actually,I felt I could have fallen asleep and
(27:52):
I had full body. I'm herefor it. I did like lip chin
like underneath my chin here and thenup my nose. I will tell you
doing it up. Your nose isprobably like the best, like it got
rid of that hair. I havethat done. I did legs, Brazilian
(28:12):
face, nose, armpits. Andlet's just say that my possible future sister
in law has seen some places thatprobably didn't want to. But hey,
it's fine. It's such a gitfamily's family. It's true. Well,
those were the eight disturbing historical practices. I know there are others interesting,
(28:37):
okay, because I feel like wetalk yeah about them all the time.
Yeah. Well, and it's just, at least for me from school,
a lot of its common knowledge.Like I said, I always knew about
the wigs and the weight and thenastiness of those wigs from that time,
but I never thought about lard.And I'm sure they told me and it
just dumped out of my brain.Well then it's interesting just to see from
(29:03):
like continent to continent, because Iknow there was one day I was watching
on TikTok it popped up where thiswoman was bidding visiting a tribe in Africa
where part of a I guess,like going into adulthood, they would at
a certain age bulk the women atthe age of like ten to twelve and
(29:30):
high coloric intake, and they woulddo a lot of like most of the
other women in villagers, like wouldn'teat to make sure that certain women had
the high caloric intake because being acurvier woman was what appealed to men.
(29:51):
So in order to make sure thatyou your future is in good hands and
wealth and all of that, theywould like force feed you so much and
it just made me want to vomit. But then she, the woman who
was going to research, would talkto the guys and they're like, yeah,
I only want a Kurby woman.Yeah. Well, and you know
(30:15):
in that, like if you lookat historical figures, like because obviously one
thing that was always reiterated for likethe history of costume class and like clothing
and any time period that we wouldspecifically learn about is the historical documents we
have are going to be people thatwere of some type of status and wealth,
(30:38):
like in what we saw in likewe're clothes and stuff. So they've
had opportunities to have found like olderitems and things that they've been able to
historically decide would be affiliated with alower class individual what have you. But
the reason curvy people were so appealingis because it meant you had money,
(31:00):
you had security, you've always hadfood. Yeah, And so that's why
there was like a lot of kingslike you'd see, you know, paintings
of that were larger, same withqueens, and it was just such a
status thing in we equated to wealth. Yeah. And it's crazy because obviously
(31:22):
in today's day and age, it'snot that way. It's it's the opposite.
Yeah, you have money, you'reable to get the light bo and
bow talks, the yeah mommy makemakeovers, bbls and all of that,
say classes and oh the bar classes. I am not that type of woman.
My sister called me yesterday asking togo to hip hop class and I
(31:45):
was like, nah, yeah,I would rather go to bed. I
feel that, but I couldn't sleep. It's name, It's fine, You're
still crazy. Did you find anyother crazy articles that had any good information
or not? Really? That wasmainly it. I kind of just wanted
to know where that coined term camefrom. And then I stumbled upon musicians,
(32:12):
actors and those disturbing practices. SoI'm like, I wonder what else
is out there? I'm sure alot, And like I said, I
would assume that French term came fromsome form of religious fanatical mindset, and
it was more fear driven in ifyou don't do these things, then you're
(32:37):
not christ Like, you're not appealingto a righteous man who's going to marry
you, you know what I mean. Like, like I said in Julia
Hart's book, she was kind ofreiterating that with the wigs you have to
wear because once you're married, youcan no longer show your natural hair.
You've got to wear a wig,wig or a scarf. Yeah, but
(32:59):
in the world she was living andraised in, it was even deemed unholy
to have your home see you naturally. So her husband when they were first
married, and her, I mean, she didn't like it, but she
was raised to believe this. Shewould sleep in her wigs really to keep
(33:22):
her hair covered. But I'm like, how do you then wash your hair
if you're not supposed to let yourhome see your natural hair? Like,
I have all these questions, andI just want to ask her all these
questions. Oh my gosh, we'rereal. But if you're listening, we
aren't going to New York in October. We'd love to meet with you.
We'd love to have lunch with youand be best friends with the at fives.
But the but it was it wasinteresting because she talked about the amount
of pain you're in wearing these wigsbecause you have so many clips and things
(33:45):
in your hair. Oh my gosh, the migraine aches. And she complained
to her mom one day, justsaying how much pain she was in,
and her mom reminded her, likesuffering, Now, you're meant to suffer
as a woman to remind you ofyour place in this world, and that
you suffer to give your husband andchildren a better life. Well, and
(34:07):
I know that a lot of theOrthodox Jewish practices were separating male and female
until that time of marriage. Wellyeah, and like she taught she was
a teacher, Julia was m ohI didn't know that. And she said
that even in teaching, it wasnot appropriate for her to teach boys.
(34:31):
She could only teach girls. Anda lot of times they couldn't be in
the same room as men, likeat all, other than their husband.
And even then there are certain timesyou're still not allowed to be alone with
your husband, even once you're married. Like it's just so weird. And
I think nowadays I feel like alittle bit of that practice depending on the
(34:52):
severity, not severity, the devotiontowards that church. I feel like the
at home is okay if it's womenand your husband. Oh yeah, and
I'm everything's got to modernize, youknow what I mean. The whole beauty
is pain thing has modernized, wheremost modern women are like yeah, screw
(35:15):
that. Oh yeah, no,no, you know what I mean.
Like I it is definitely a termthat I heard a lot growing up that
I never understood, but then asI got older and what was depicted in
media, I was just like,that's why a lot of people I grew
(35:35):
up with had some form of eatingdisorder. Yeah, because they felt that
they needed to look a certain way, so they put their body through hell
to look that way. And thehealth repercussions they have had in their adult
lives. I can only imagine wellin with eating disorders, because hello,
I'm diagnosed and suffer with the one. It It's very it's within those mental
(36:02):
diagnoses that stay with you forever.It's something you constantly have in the back
of your head. It's something you'reconstantly trying to battle. And my mom
was diagnosed with antaraxia in high schooland she still suffers with it. Oh,
I can It's hard. Yeah,I can't imagine. And I've always
(36:24):
been really grateful that even though Istill was raised in a way to overly
worry about the size of my bodyand the way I looked that, as
an adult, I've been able towork through that and disassociate a lot and
not have that around my kids,you know what I mean. But it
(36:45):
is hard when culturally you're raised,and it doesn't matter if it's a religious
culture or just a generational culture,right. But well, I was diagnosed
with the other end of the spectrumof binge eating. And I know that
when I got on some medication orI was working on my weight lost journey
(37:08):
and everything, there were times wheremy appetite was just curved. And and
when my appetite's curved, I'm nauseous. I don't have interest in food.
And I know my fiance and mymom were truly worried and terrified that I
was going down the anaraxia path becauseI could see that. Yeah, but
(37:30):
I was like, no, thisis literally like I'm not hungry, I
don't want to eat. Like itwasn't that I was forcing myself to not
eat. But it was funny becausemy mom was like, well, you
need to eat and all this stuff, and I'm like, okay, pop
calling kettle black. You do too, like don't be on my back when
(37:52):
I need to be on yours.Yeah. Well, and you know,
we sit in a position where wecan laugh at this article where we're like,
wow, these practices are crazy.They put ammonia and nightshade on their
face, they put lard in theirwigs and then would have it filled with
maggots. Like no shit. Butyou know, the saying has always been
(38:12):
hindsight is twenty twenty, which wesit in a position that we can look
back at that and laugh. WhichI always wonder when my grandkids are adults.
If I have grandkids, what arethey going to laugh at and be
like Grandma, this stuff he didwas insane. Oh I can't wait,
like I do wonder because there's Imean, I know I think that all
(38:35):
the time with like beauty products andany medicinal anything. And I'm definitely not
a worrier where I'm like, I'mgoing to know everything in it. But
I still would like Layman's terms onwhat these things are, because medical terms
I don't understand or like how theycan counteract or whatever. But like as
an adult, I've had to considerreally reading labels on stuff being gluten free.
(39:00):
Yeah. Fortunately most products now aremade that way. They don't have
as many fillers. There's definitely somethingthat still do, but a lot have
gone away from gluten free. Yeah. There, It's insane how the food
industry has adapted to that, becauseI felt like ten years ago that was
not a thing. It wasn't andI never would have thought of that.
(39:21):
And then same with since I'm allergicto nature, sometimes vegan products are really
bad for me. Yeah, becausedepending on the plant they use in lieu
of whatever other products I could coverin a rash because there. I had
gotten a n eye palette from acompany that was a London based one,
(39:44):
and I didn't think about it whenI said it was all plant based,
and I would wear the shadows,and I remember my eyes just kept swelling
and I was like trying to figureout what I was using that was making
my eyes swell. And I knowmy mom had grown into an allergy of
red dye in cosmetics, so asshe got older, she couldn't wear anything
(40:05):
that was like red pink purple tones, and so I was like, well,
shit, maybe I'm developing her allergy. Right. Well, my I
had stopped wearing a lot of makeup. I remember it was coming to work,
like just clean face because I'm like, I need to get the swelling
under control. I was putting quarterson on my eyes. Well, once
everything, like the swelling had gonedown, I was so sick of like
(40:29):
not wearing makeup because it's like Idefinitely like no makeup days, and I
have them often, but I'm stillingrained that if I'm at work, I
have to have makeup. I needto have my hair done, I need
to look put together, because that'sjust what I've been told my whole life.
And I was getting ready and Ihad had that eye palette out and
I was putting on like just aneutral color at first, before I layered
(40:52):
the other colors. And I rememberse I'm picking it up, and he
was like, is this a newpalette And I said, yeah, I
got it a few weeks ago.I said, some I haven't been wearing
a lot of makeup lately, haven'tused it. And so he's like,
I haven't heard of this brand,and I was like, yeah, it's
a London based When I saw anad for it and really liked the colors,
I thought it was fun. Heturns it over and he's like,
(41:12):
honey, you know this is plantbased, right, And I was like
yeah, And he's like, you'reallergic to plants. And he was reading
and he's like, I don't thinkyou're developing a red die allergy. I
think you're putting plants you're allergic toon your eyeballs. And I sat there,
I'm like, you know, that'sprobably valid. It makes sense.
(41:34):
So I washed my face and tookoff like just the neutral color from that
palette I put on readid like allof that foundation and everything. And so
I decided to try a different paletteof mine that had red colors to see
guess what guys in and swell weird. So long story short is, I
(41:55):
suffered thinking i'd look pretty, andinstead my eyeball swelled shut and I could
not see for several days. Dang, And I just never really thought about
it. Yeah, and so andafter that moment, I was like,
shit, I really need to readwhat the hell I'm putting on my face?
(42:17):
Right? But like younger me,I was lucky if I watched my
face and threw on any lotion,let alone a whole regiment of Oh my
gosh, for real, I neverread the label of anything. I was
just like, oh, this ison sale. Okay. That's how these
women had, you know, radioactivecosmetics, because all they didn't have anything
(42:37):
on a label. Then it wasjust hey, this, I'll make you
look pretty. This will give youpale porcelain skin that all the men want,
right And I know, for me, I can read medical like it's
nobody's business. But when it comesto like ingredients in like the weird compound
(42:58):
of makeup and food, i'mlike,excuse me, what are you well?
Yeah, but I mean I couldimagine at this point in time, there's
a lot of things that are manmade ingredients, like in a lab.
Yeah, of some kind. Ineed to find her Instagram. But there's
this lady who is educated in nutritionand she posts like a US product versus
(43:24):
another country's product. There are alot of ingredients that we still use in
the US that are banned in othercountries. And I'm like, that makes
me feel great. Yeah, ButI mean a lot of other places have
even banned food that have any typeof you know preservative that's going to keep
something you know, good quote unquoteon a shelf a long period of time.
(43:47):
So I mean there's definitely a lotof regulation, which depending on the
person you are, you're going tosee that as a positive or negative or
whatever. But I know, Ifeel like beauty standards in well the standards
of like beauty, like ingredients havechanged just because of Google. Yah.
(44:10):
People can google stuff. They canfind out what an ingredient is, what
it's meant to do, is itsafe, not safe, what have you,
which historically you couldn't do that ifsomebody said you're going to do this
because I said so, you justdid. You did it, which you
can even help like the makeup influencers. And I love the way that Lady
(44:35):
Gaga has explained on her House Labsthe skin Tech Foundation and why it's good
for you and everything that goes intoit and the health benefits for the skin
and everything. I love that themaker of the makeup broke down what this
is and why. Yeah, andit definitely gives warm, fuzzy feelings.
(44:57):
But then there are the companies whostill inipulate in that way saying oh here's
why I did it, and thenyou find out that they might have forgotten
a couple extra ingredients that were notgreat for good. So but we're hoping
that we help in changing the oldworld mindset that you must suffer in corset
(45:17):
wearing you must suffer, and bindingyour feet you must suffer in the outward
appearance you're supposed to have them makesyou more attractive and just fall in love
with your natural self? Do youdo your own beauty? Yeah? Or
hey? If you are one whoenjoys the manipulation of making your body look
(45:38):
the way you want, that's fine. Because you're an adult, you're allowed
to make that choice. So I'msomewhere in the middle where like aging naturally
and gracefully I think is a badgeof honor that you get, you know
what I mean. But just becauseI got gray hairs and deep set wrinkles
(45:59):
doesn't mean I want to look oldyet. Once I am old, honey,
I'll tell you the stories of whatI went through to get these gray
hairs and these wrinkles. But rightnow, I'm gonna do everything I can
to look young. I love thatso well. If anybody's got some fun
stories of Old World tactics, oreven just like stuff you still live by
(46:25):
where it falls into the beauty ispain. I would love to hear about
it. Yeah, like what traditionswere you raised with that you go were
common practice, and then as yougot older and experienced more of the world,
you realized that's a little extreme.Yeah, or you know, you
know, what practices do you dothat others might think are extreme, but
(46:45):
for you it just seems normal?Yeah? Normal. I would love to
know. Yeah. But all ofour notes and rls will be done in
the show notes, as well asall of our social media. You can
also email us at Everybody pod atva dash Bridle dot com. We even
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just love hellos. We've had ourcute friend call the shop. Go ahead
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