Cade Cunningham Places Third In ROY Voting, CoJo Praise & Trading Killian Hayes

Welcome to the Everything Pistons podcast hosted by Lance Caporossi and Andrew Clements. This week we're sharing our thoughts on the NBA's rookie of the year voting, trading Killian Hayes for Patrick Williams. We also give Cory Joseph his flowers. Enjoy and subscribe.

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Episode Transcript

(00:06):
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I'm Lance Caprosy. You need tofollow me on Twitter at LANs Caprosy.
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Cunningham got snubbed for Rookie of theYear, you need to follow me across

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all social media. And he'd surelydid get snubbed, that is sure,
but we're not going to talk aboutthat at the beginning. We're not yet
yet yet. We will share ourthoughts on the Rookie of the Year voting
here shortly, I just want tosay thanks to all the listeners that reach
out or reminded me that Ed Stefanskiwas the guy who drafted Bruce Brown and

(01:11):
not staying Van Gundy. Seriously,guys, appreciate it. Love all of
the messages, the reviews. Youguys are the best. Thank you,
guys, hold disaccountable. Now areyou watching the NBA playoffs at all?
Right now? There's a lot offormer Pistons playing. Absolutely who are you
rooting for out of the remaining outof the teams right now? I mean

(01:34):
I'm rooting for a pretty much goodseries. I was kind of excited to
see what Ben Simmons and the netslooked like. But he's he's not playing
in game four. He was targetedas a game in a minute, wait
a minute, you were actually holdingout hope that Ben Simmons was going to
play this playoffs. I mean that'swhat he was saying, and I was
like, oh, you know thatthat's going to be a special one to

(01:56):
kind of watch to see what thatlooks like, especially in a close game
in the playoffs. But but thenhe pulled out. I mean the Miami
Heat. If you remember going backto some the podcasts that we did when
the when the bubble was starting,I picked them very early on in the
bubble to be a dark Horse team, and because I love their style at
defense, I think Jimmy Butler fitsin really nice there. Um So,

(02:22):
I'm a fan of the way theHeat play, you know. I like
watching former Pistons like Delon Wright onthe on the Hawks in that series.
Um So, I mean, yeah, I don't. I'm not one of
those guys that is like, well, my team's not in it. I'm
I'm gonna pick a new team toroot for. I just I like basketball
and I like competitive series. No, I do too. I really love

(02:44):
competitive series, Like I mean,I also love seeing like the Crown Champions
before the season starts fall. Soit's kind of even though I do like
the Brooklyn Nets, it's kind ofcool to see them down three nothing right
now. Yeah, And I thinkI was thinking about that the other day.
And I really think the NBA hasthe best playoff like format, right

(03:12):
like like I do, because obviouslyyou can't have like a seven game format
in the NFL, right but anyteam can be beaten on any given day
sometimes in the NFL or in othersports not the best team doesn't always win
that day, right And in theNBA, you having to win a seven

(03:35):
game series and gut it out likethat. The you get some really good
wars out there, and I think, like I love the March Madness,
and obviously you couldn't couldn't do anNBA thing to that magnitude. But I
do think the NBA has some ofthe best playoff formats. The only thing
I would change about the NBA playoffsis the first round only to five games.

(04:00):
I don't think you need a sevengame series in the first round.
I'll take five games and then youcan boot it up to seven games.
I think that would be way moreinteresting because the first round can drag on
sometimes, like I don't know,we're gonna have one team waiting for a
while before anybody else catches up,whether it's the Boston Celtics or the Golden
State Warriors even though they just losttoday to the Nuggets that you know before

(04:25):
we recorded this, but you know, you have those two teams like right
on the cost of going into thesecond round, and then you gotta wait,
you know, a few more days, almost a week and up until
the second round begins. I wouldnot mind a five game format in the
first round of the NBA playoffs,but then second then the Conference finals,
then the NBA Finals, I'll goto seven games. That's the only change
I would have for the NBA Playoffs. You like in the play in format,

(04:50):
you know, the first year Iloved it. I was like,
Oh, this is actually kind ofcool. This is really unique. And
this year I was at the beginningof it, I was like, yeah,
I'm kind of over this format.But then after the games got played,
I really enjoyed it again, LikeI like it a lot. I
saw there was one thing I wouldchange about that though, too is and

(05:12):
I know some people I've seen someother people tweet the same, so it's
not like an original thought at all, Like there's plenty of us that have
thought this. But I would likefor the seventh, eighth, ninth,
and tenth seed for them to bekind of closer, because I think if
you're an eighth seed and you're aboutto play the ten seed, if they're
down like ten or more games,there should be no reason for a play
in, Like the eighth seed.They've earned it at that point, you

(05:35):
know, just have them play theninth seed if they're close. I know
they're not going to change that,but I would like for there to be
some like type of cut off,like the ninth and ten seed have to
be within so many games of theeighth and seventh for there to be a
play in, or we'll just gowith those eight. I would like to
see that, but I don't seethat happening. But I would like for
that to be a rule. Yeahyeah, yeah. But well, like

(05:58):
as we said and open every show, we only talk about the Detroit Pistons
here, so we better we betterstop talking about playing games and playoff basketball,
yeah, because I mean until thePistons are in there, who knows
how long that is. Our nextsegment is Headlines. With headlines, we
bring you news stories, updates onthe team, a quote or two.
We'll share the thoughts if we haveany, and that will move on.
But before we do, you knowwhat I'm about to drop right here.

(06:23):
Kate Cunningham places third in Rookie ofthe Year voting, and I'm I don't
know about you, Andrew, butfor me, this will be the last
time I speak on Rookie of theYear. This will be This will be
it until we draft another rookie thathas a chance of being the Rookie of
the Year. This will be it. And I'm a little disappointed with the
way it turned out book and gratsto Scottie Barnes. He's a terrific player.

(06:44):
He made me look like a basketballgenius. I'm pretty sure I'm one
of the only basketball fans that actuallybelieved that Scottie Barnes was gonna have a
good, too great rookie year.He stepped in Toronto, he played,
he played great in the role theyput him in, and you know,
I can't be disappointed in him winningit. Like he's a friend of Kaid's.
It makes me happy that, youknow, this guy he won it.

(07:08):
Like I think Scottie Barnes is goingto be an incredible basketball player.
I'm mainly just disappointed in that,in the fact that I have never I
have yet to see a Detroit Pistonrookie have an opportunity to win Rookie of
the Year, And like I justsaid, I don't know when I'm going
to get another opportunity to see that, maybe this with this upcoming draft.

(07:28):
Who knows. So Selfishly, I'mdisappointed that Kade lost it, But once
you look at the numbers, youknow, I'm not going to get into
advanced stats. That's not something thatI do but Scottie, you know,
he averaged fifteen seven and three agame while shooting forty nine percent from the
field. There's only been a coupleof rookies that I've ever done that.
I believe he's in a class withMagic Johnson who did something similar, and

(07:53):
Magic didn't even win Rookie the Yearwhen he did that. And for Kade's
part, you know, he didaverage seventeen five and five if he's only
the tenth rookie to ever do that. The other nine have one Rookies of
the Year. Problem is he wasa little bit inefficient during his rookieyear.
There's no It's not really on himthough, because he was asked to do
a lot coming in as the firstpick. He was double team, triple

(08:15):
team at at like a you know, alarmingly high rate. This past year
shows you, like how difficult peoplethought he would be to guard. So
Kate had a great rookie year,but also the turnovers they were kind of
high. So I'm not I'm notexcusing the media, you know, the
media for voting the way they did, But after looking at it, you
know, I guess with out thebiased classes on, you see why they

(08:41):
picked Scottie Bartons and has to do. It's more than just him being on
a winning team. You know,that's not the only reason Scottie Bartons won
it. He was in a certainrole. You know. He was drafted
to the correct team when Trono draftedhim, and he thrived in the role
that they put him in. Andmy last thought is, this is probably
the first draft class that I've everseen where every team got exactly what they

(09:03):
wanted when they drafted a guy likeI mean, you look just through the
first four picks. You know,Pistons needed a franchise player. They guyed
in Kade cunning Dam. The HoustonRockets needed a you know, needed a
score at the two to replace JamesHarden. They got that in Jalen Green.
The Cavaliers they got a franchise bigdefensive anchor and Evan Mobley. And

(09:24):
then Toronto they got their kind oflike Draymond Green type, you know,
the guy that's gonna be the glue, guy that's gonna connect everything together and
put all the pieces of the puzzletogether. They got that in Scottie Barnes.
This was one hell of a draftand I'm just glad, you know,
and I'm just glad that the Pistonsgot Kad Cunningham. And I'll leave
it at that. Oh you're done, that's it. That's it. Five

(09:46):
minute, my bad man. No, I'm like, I'm sitting here,
like, what what else can Isay? I mean, I will say
I'm absolutely disgusted. I mean Isaid that a few weeks ago when was
shaping up that Kade was going tobecome the you know, third in the
race bronze if you will, youknow, And I am disgusted because seventeen

(10:09):
five and five beats out. ScottieBarnes is fifteen seven and three, you
know. And if Scottie Barnes,let's say the Pistons took Scottie Barnes at
one, do you think Scottie Barneswins Rookie of the Year. No,
no, no, he doesn't.But he's he's the best rookie out of

(10:31):
this really solid, really good draftclass. He's he's the best rookie.
So that tells me no matter whatteam he's on, he should still win
that. But if he's in Detroit, I think we can all collectively say
he doesn't win Workie of the Year. He's looked at as that solid rookie
in Detroit, and Kade Cunningham isin a league of his own a when

(10:54):
it comes to rookies as well,like like you're talking about Scottie being in
Magic Johnson's league. Well, atleast we not forget Kay Cunningham being in
the league with like the Lebron James'sand the Jordan's right so, and doing
things as a rookie the first timesince this NBA great, that NBA Hall

(11:18):
of Famer and you know, usDetroit fans, we all love the graphic
that was put up on TV withhim and Jordan in it, right,
we see that on Twitter a lot. So, I mean, I'm disgusted.
The NBA absolutely got it wrong.I mean I could have maybe even
stomached a little bit more of EvanMobili being one and Kade two, Scottie

(11:43):
three. P. I just theydefinitely got it wrong. The thing that
bothers me is that there were threeno, yeah, was it three NBA
three of the NBA media that leftKid off or was it more? Was
it three guys that left him offthe battle it entirely That's the thing that
annoys me. Yeah, I didsee that the NBA, I forget which

(12:07):
NBA, like second hand account Ifollow on Twitter had had all the votes
and I did notice that as well, like there was a few that didn't
vocate at all. And I'm like, like, how like can this award
be given out to players, likelike voted on by the players and not
media, because this is absolutely ridiculous. The players ain't gonna lie. The

(12:31):
players know who can play. Andas we've seen the like Kevin Durance giving
Kid Cunningham props and players of hisstature in the NBA all gravitating and in
Kaide Cunningham's ear after every game weplay them, like I just I don't
understand it. No, neither do. I didn't get out the voting worked.

(12:56):
I mean, like I said,even just my little bit of I
don't even call it research, youknow what I'm saying, just seeing seeing
what people had to say, orlooking at Scottie's numbers a little differently,
reading up about him and what youknow, how he contributed to the Raptors
and there you know, and whythey won so much like and I mean,
I don't know, I guess thevoting and what I'm getting at is

(13:16):
none of it just made sense.Just make it make sense, that's all
I want, you know. Imean, if winning matters so much into
Rookie of the Year, which Idon't think it should, every year afterwards,
have the same energy and you know, hold winning up to a higher
standard for every rookie coming in.And it's so funny that we're basing Rookie
of the Year on winning because thereason Cade was the number one pick is

(13:39):
because the Detroit Pistons were one ofthe worst teams last year, you know,
I mean like he was going toa bad team. That's why he
was the number one overall pick.That's why the Pistons were in position to
draft him. So I mean,if your expectations were, dude, he
needs to get him close to theplayoffs. You're putting unrealistic expectations on any
rookie, Like it's just insane.So again, when the voting comes out,

(14:03):
I just hope it makes sense,that's right. I wish Kade Cunningham
had a Jared you know, nota Jared Allen, but a Jared Allen
type of player playing next to him, or Scottie Barnes having a Pascal Siakam
next to him. I wish KadeCunningham had another Batman robin of that stature

(14:26):
to play along with, so he'snot getting quadruple teamed out here on offense.
You know, it's it's absolutely disgustingand I hate it and maybe we
should move on. Oh yeah wecan. I mean we're gonna be talking
circles here in the second comes tothis Rookie of the Year stuff. But

(14:46):
you know, again, congrats toScottie. Uh you know, yeah,
you know, it's just I willsay, I wish you could have been
like co Rookie of the Year orsomething like that. I mean, you
know, it's just again, here'smy real final thoughts before we move on.
Like they make it seem like Rookieof the Year, the Rookie of

(15:07):
the Year race wasn't close at all. By the votes that you see,
it was a lot closer than theNBA media has given it credit for.
Just say, you didn't watch theDetroit Pistons. That's all you have to
say, and that's why you didn'tvote for Kade. Like I'm not saying
take away, like you know,retroactively take away the award from Scottie Barnes
to give it to kad. I'mnot saying that Scottie deserved it, you

(15:28):
know, but like that's the thing, right, and that's the that's the
thing that's crazy, as it wasn'teven close, right, Like so many
people voted Scottie with their first roundbig like you would have thought this dude
was averaging twenty five seven and sixas a rookie. The way those votes

(15:50):
turned out, I think what happenedon I think what happened though, is
that so many people wrote off ScottieBarnes. A lot of the same people
that were voting on Rookie of theYear that they wrote him off at the
beginning of the year. So tojustify them not picking him and him,
you know, going under their noseslike he did for so many people,
they're like, man, you know, I want to look smart and give

(16:11):
him the vote anyways, even thoughI wrote him off at the beginning of
the year when he was drafted bythe Raptors. That's what I think might
have happened is that this was youknow, Scottie Barnes proved all of us
wrong and had a solid rook yere. Yeah, well we didn't think he
would do this. It ain't KateCunningham's fault. You suck at evaluating talent.
You just need to talk to me. I figured it all out.
I knew, I knew Scottie wouldbe good everything. Pistons enterprises. Who

(16:36):
wants to pick us up? What'sup? All right? Sabing Lee,
Luca Garza, and Braxton Key madeAll G League teams. Sabing Lee and
Braxton Key were named to the GLeague's second Team, while Luca Garza was
named to the third Team and RookieTeam. Sabing Lee also finished second and
Envy p voting as well. Forthe G League. Not really much to
say other than congrats to these guys. I don't know how much we'll see

(16:57):
if Luca Garzin Saban League going forward, but there Their time in Detroit so
far has been fun. I mean, we've gotten almost so many posters from
Saban Lee. It's incredible. Andyou know what, let me tell you
about Saban Lee finishing second. No, I'm just kidding, man, I'm
not gonna go overboard. I'm sayingwhat hey, man, Saban is a

(17:18):
G League All Star though, man, he really is. He's like a
hood legend in the in the GLeague. What was he was putting up
some insane numbers out there. Ohyeah, at the beginning, he was
averaging like thirty two and something.Yeah, I believe. Yeah, Rod
Beard would say he was doing hoodrat things like, yeah, couple things.
But yeah, fans, including myself, you know, we often get
carried away. That for sure happenedwith saban Lee with me, and then

(17:40):
Luca Garza with so many other fans. I believe Johnny Kane, No,
I don't even believe. I knowJohnny Kane said, yeah, Luca gars
would be the next Bill Lamb Beard. I don't see that happening unless it's
overseas. I really don't know whatyou know. Much more to say about
saban Lee, Luca Garza, andBraxton key Man other than congrats to those
three guys for winning these awards inthe G League. Yeah. So,

(18:03):
Corey Joseph was one of only eightplayers to shoot at least forty percent from
three and eighty five percent from thefree throw line with at least twenty starts.
I found this stat on the Pistonssubreddit. I'm really just giving Cojoe
a little praise, That's all I'mdoing. He was he was dumped on
so much by fans this past season. If Cojo was in a different role,

(18:26):
and if he wasn't asked to bea starter, he'd be a solid
backup guard, Like imagine him justrunning the second Union with Killian Hayes.
It would be we would not complain. Definitely. Yeah, he's definitely that
spot up shooter Killian Hayes needs nextto him. And he's definitely that type
of player that can hit shots andwill benefit from having a Killian Hayes next
to him. So yeah, forsure, did you ever dump on Corey

(18:52):
Joseph at all this year? Weredumper? No? No, I was
not a Corey Joseis dumper. I'mnot a my own team dumper really ever.
So you've never dumped on a Pistonsplayer? All right, we're gonna
have to pick a different verb.I'm no, I'm not gonna say I've
never hated on a on a Pistonsplayer before. Um, you know,

(19:15):
I I hated Trey Lyles until hehe apologized and didn't acknowledge one thing he
did for the team until he apologized. But you know, I try to,
especially like on Twitter and online andstuff, try to keep it mostly
positive about the team. Who's thewhat's the what's the one piston that you
had the worst experience with or rootingfor? Who who gave you the who

(19:38):
was the hardest piston fee to roofor I'll ask that, Um, was
it Trey Lyles, No, itwas it's probably Greg Monroe? Really,
Okay, Oh I know your historywith him? He doesn't. Yeah,
yeah, me and him got beef. Yeah yeah, see me on the

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playground at three. Greg. Hey, he's in the playoffs right now.
That's just what's the most amazing things. Like I really thought Greg Munroe would
be completely out of the NBA playoffs, and then I'm watching I think he
plays for Minnesota, and you're lookingat the bench and you're like, oh
my god, that is Greg Monroejust chilling right there. Like it's like
a where's Waldo? You know,yeah, oh my god, I found

(20:21):
him. Just I'm so happy.He looks so happy just chilling on the
bench and being part of winning basketball. Man, Like, I'm so happy
for Greg Monroe. I know you'renot, but I am very happy for
Greg Monroe. Kate Cunningham was assistanton twenty three percent of his two point
field goals. That stack comes fromJoe Truck on Twitter. So when I

(20:44):
saw this stat, I thought oftwo things. One, Kate will need
to move without the ball to createopen looks for himself. This is along
with like conditioning, Paul handling,learning to operate out of the double team.
This is an important thing I believefor Kay to be working on this
offseason. Just moving without the ball, like being able to create open looks
for yourself. That is an importantthing because teams know the Pistons are gonna

(21:07):
put the ball in his hand,so you mind will just you know,
take something, you know, showthem a different look than just Kid always
being there Kaid always having the ball. But the second thing is the Pistons
need another guy who can create anopen chat for himself and be a secondary
playmaker in the starting unit. Thatis another thing that's very important. It
doesn't matter whether it's Polo ben Caroor Jade and Ivy or some other player

(21:30):
the Pistons will potentially draft this year. Whoever they draft has to be that
guy where they can create a shotfor themselves, get open looks by moving
without the ball, but also whenthey do have the ball in their hands,
they need to be multifaceted where theycan actually create plays because that will
help Kate in the long run.So those are two things that I thought
of when I saw when I sawthis stat from Joe Truck. Yeah,

(21:53):
and this kind of goes back towhat we've said when we had Doc on
and what the Pistons need most inthe off season, I said, a
secondary offensive playmaker next to Kade,basically another guy that can hit shots.
And Cade being assisted on as littleand as lowly as twenty three percent of

(22:17):
his two point field goals. Imean, I know you didn't want to
bring it up, but Evan Mobleysixty five percent and Scottie Barnes forty three
percent, you know. And we'renot making this a go back to talking
about the rookie of the Year thing, but it just goes to show you
that Cade literally had better numbers andhad to do it more by himself than

(22:40):
Scottie Barnes did this whole season,you know. And that's really a blessing
and a curse for us as Detroitfans. You know, it's it's not
going to lead to a lot ofwinning basketball in the city if if Kade
keeps having to do this and Kade'scareer keeps going in this direction. But

(23:03):
it's also a blessing in the sensethat, like, we got this guy
that if it has to be him, he's okay with that, right,
Like, like his shoulders can carrythe burden if it has to be him.
So it's a blessing and a curse. And I think with the way
Troy Weaver and Coach Casey are runningthis team, I think we're gonna start

(23:26):
to see the fruits of that blessinga lot sooner than rather than later.
I also think too, when youlook at those is it should really open
your eyes that playing with better talentone is gonna make kid more efficient,
and two it's just gonna open morethings up for him. You know,
there's gonna be parts of Kaid's gamethat we haven't seen that we're going to
see when he plays with another playmaker, when he plays with another talented player

(23:49):
that's on his level, that it'sgoing to open up so many different doors
for him offensively, like we're gonnasee a whole new look. It's his
team, and whoever they bring in, they're gonna be playing and they're gonna
be a complimentary piece two, Kade. But those complimentary pieces, they're gonna
fit so well, and they're gonnaopen up things for Ka that we haven't
seen yet. And I'm just veryexcited about the Pistons future. And I

(24:10):
just you know, I mean,I really like that staff because it points
to how much Kade really had todo, and it points to why his
numbers, why he was in efficienthis rookie year, because it really didn't
have anybody else because only twenty threepercent of his two point field goals were
assisted everything else, you know,the seventy seven percent of it. That
that part was all on him.He had to do it on his own,

(24:33):
so to Kade Man, and Iwish more people would have saw it
that way, but unfortunately they didn't. All Right, I'm gonna give you
a list of players, and youeither take or pass to play on the
Pistons. You're ready for this.I got a list of players here for
you. I think, So Ithink I am either just gotta say take
or pass, because you know,I mean, if you do, I

(24:55):
mean, unless you want to goin why you want them or why you
don't want them? But number one, Rudy Gobert, would you take or
would you pass on Rudy Gobert playingfor the Pistons, I would. At
this point in his career and thecontract we would have to give him in
Detroit, I would pass. Butif that wasn't a factor, I would

(25:19):
absolutely love Rudy Gobert on this team, Like he is that guy that you
know people beat up Andre Drummond somuch for not being a good rim protector,
when in fact he was much betterthan than people gave him credit for.
But I would absolutely love a RudyGobert type on this team. So

(25:45):
if if contract and maybe age inthe in the NBA term of years wasn't
a factor, I'd take him.But I'm gonna have to pass on him
at this point. I'm actually topass on Rudy Gobert as well. I
originally had take but then I wastalking about what we were talking about beforehand,
how he is twenty nine years oldand I don't know that. Well,

(26:11):
let me real quick, there's there'sjust something about big man like when
they hit like twenty nine thirty yearsold, not all of them, but
it seems like a lot of themwhen they hit that twenty nine thirty thirty
one years old age, they justhave such a steep decline, Like you
might get another two really good yearsout of Rudy Gobert, but then he's
gonna be sitting on the bench playinglike eighteen minutes a game like DeAndre Jordan

(26:32):
does. Like you know, that'scoming in just a couple of seasons for
Rudy Gobert. So that's why Iwould have to pass. Well that,
And I mean, you could pickup Andre Drummond and get slightly less production
and probably maybe even cheaper than thanRudy Gobert. Gobert, right, and
the NBA is moving so fastly awayfrom traditional centers like Rudy Gobert and Andre

(26:59):
Drummond that you know, do youreally want to pay that contract and trade
whatever assets or I don't even knowif he's a free agent or I'm just
assuming we would have to trade forhim or whatever. But you know,
if we do have to trade forhim, are you willing to give up
assets for another center that is gluedto the paint Like Isaiah Stewart isn't even

(27:22):
a good three point shooter. He'she's he can somewhat do it sometimes,
and we absolutely salivate over him,right, because he's actually can do it,
and he's starting to get consistent withit, and if he can add
that to his game, it'll it'llopen up so many more doors. But
we've been so starved in Detroit ofa center that can step out and hit

(27:45):
an outside shot that I don't knowif I would want to bring just another
one in, right, But Idon't think when you when you look at
Rudy Goobert, you don't look athim for the offense him within three feet,
you do. But he's so gooddefensively that he cleaned up so many
mistakes. Yeah, on offense,I mean he's a garbage man, right.

(28:06):
He gets his points from from cleaningup off the boards, right,
That's what Rudy does. But stakingthat on the Piston, I just don't
That's not what the Pistons need rightnow. Yes, they need rim protection,
but not at the cost of RudyGobert. There's another guy on this
list that I'd like to bring inmore for rim protection than then I would

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like to bring in Rudy Gobert.Okay, we'll get to him in a
second. I know who you're talkingabout, all right. Number two Jordan
Poole would you take her pass onJordan Poole? Oh yes, please?
Oh god? I mean, doI even have to list reasons why I
take No. He's upped his gamein the playoffs and yeah, he's another
shock creator, He's a playmaker.He can give you clutch baskets. Jordan

(28:49):
Pool is the real deal and hewould be just perfect alongside Kate cunning him
in the backcourt. Yeah, GaryPayton the third pass or take on the
Detroit or Pistons. Um, well, Gary Payton second? My bad,
I apologize. Yeah, I waslike, he has a has a son.
Now, I'm just kidding. UmNah, I think I'll I like

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the guards we we got in thataspect. Oh, man, I really
thought you would take Gary Payne.Dude. He seems like he's right up
your alley for a player though.Man, like the Swiss army knife,
all about the defense in your face, will do anything the team asks you
to do. I'm taking Gary Payton, man, like he can be the
best kill me. Yeah, itis a little bit like you are You

(29:34):
are right. I was thinking aboutthat when I put him on the list.
I'm like, he pretty much haseverything Killy and Hayes does. But
man, I really love Gary Paytonand he can just do a little bit
of everything. So I would takehim on the Detroit Pistons. Yeah,
maybe a little bit more solid onoffense, you know, not really he's
I try to give him something thing. Yeah, he's literally they're there.

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They're they're such similar players, man, it's a yeah, yeah, Gary
Harris pass or take kind of DetroitPistons. I mean, i'd take him
as well. Would I think he'dlook good next to Kade Man. I
would actually pass on Gary Harris.I used to be a fan of his,
but I don't know, there's justsome about him where I don't know,
I would pass on Gary Harris.So I don't really have much to

(30:17):
say about Gary Harris, but Iwould pass on him for the Detroit Pistons.
The big man that I think you'retalking about, Mitchell Robinson. You
take your passing for the Detroit Pistons. I am absolutely taking Mitchell Robinson and
that he is going to be atarget for the Detroit Pistons this offseason,
and I think they will really takea hard look at him. He's a

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another guy kind of like Marvin Bagley, you know, could could really use
a boost in his career and comingDetroit, could coming to Detroit, could
could do that. You know,it always seems like he is a really
big problem when Detroit ever has toplay him. So I hope that problem
comes to the team this offseason.You want, I'd take him. I

(31:06):
would take Michel Robinson as well too. I've talked about him on another podcast.
I'm not so concerned with his injuryhistory because I'm looking at his games
and like, yeah, he hasn'tplayed eighty two yet in a season,
but I mean he's played sixty six, sixty one, thirty one and seventy
two, you know, I mean, like I don't ever. I mean,

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you obviously want the guy you're signingto be on the court for as
many games as possible. But Ithink the injury history of him is just
a little overblown. I mean,and if your team, like, let's
be honest, if your team can'tsurvive without Mitchell Robinson, your team's not
very good. This is true,That's very true, right, Like,

(31:47):
we're not bringing in him. We'renot bringing him in if we were to
bring him in to be a cornerstone. We're bringing him in and to be
that rim protector lob Catcher and Imean just really defense and be that.
Like I was just talking about garbageman with Rudy Gobert, get your points
off the board. You know,I would jump everybody and have that energy.

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Yeah. But do you think ifthey bring in Mitchell Robinson, we're
saying goodbye to Isaiah Stewart. No, it just seems like that's kind of
the problem when you're a young teamand you're trying to bring in other younger
plays. It's almost got a greatcut somewhere. Yeah, someone either has
to come off the bench or someonehas to be traded. You know,
our feelings are gonna get hurt inthe next couple of seasons here, man,

(32:32):
Like we're gonna have an episode wherewe're both just crying feeling all right.
Final guy on this list, wetalked about him last week. I
got a little bit of some shadethrown my way for apparently having this guy's
slander on the podcast with Jalen Brunson. Take her pass for the Detroit Pistons.

(32:55):
I think I think I'm gonna pass. Oh, okay, And my
reasoning being is I don't remember whosaid it on Twitter, and I really
wish you know, didn't didn't reallyknow this was gonna be a pod.
Neither of us knew this was gonnabe a podcast topic until really today,
So I didn't even think to savethe tweet. But someone said, you

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know, Jalen Brunson is having thetime of his life right now, but
he's doing it as the primary ballhandler, and his role in Detroit would
not be that, right, KateCunningham's gonna be the primary ball handler,
so you're gonna see him, youknow, revert back to his numbers next
to Luca, and yeah, they'regood. And I wouldn't be upset if

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the Pistons were to pick up Brunson. I just caution fans thinking we're getting
what he had, like a thirtysome point outburst in the playoffs, you
know, a night or two ago, something like that. I just caution
Pistons fans like, we're not gonnabe getting that guy. Yeah, I
would take Jalen Brunson like my andI wouldn't hate. Yeah, And I

(34:07):
have no problem, Like I'm soon the fence, like he is absolutely
that guy that can shoot next toKade. But I just I don't know,
I'm like, I'm so on thefence take him if he joins the
team, awesome out root for him. If the Pistons end up going another

(34:28):
another direction, I won't be heartbroken. No, I mean I kind of.
I don't want to make it seemlike I was hating on Jalen Brunson
on last week's podcast, because thatwasn't the point of it. I always
try to take a realistic approach towhen I look at players, and you
know, maybe sometimes it can beoutlandish or be a little crazy. That's
fine. I'm a podcast those Ican really say whatever I want. That's

(34:50):
that's the beauty of this platform.But really, like I do like Jalen
Brunson, I don't think again,I don't think he's a guy that comes
in and gets you. Saw someonetweet out that said he'll get you like
another ten wins on the team.I don't see that from Jalen Brunson.
He plays with a lot of heart. He's not very big, but dude,
he plays big. He can hitbig shots. The only downside of

(35:10):
him being on the team is he'skind of like a super Cordy Joseph in
a way where he's under size,but he can get to the rim,
he can finish, he can hitshots, he give you a secondary ball,
Paul Handler, decayed, all thatstuff. But what is he bringing
your team when he's not hitting shots. That's the thing that concerns me the
most. Does he become a liabilitythen for the Detroit Pistons if they sign

(35:34):
him, because I don't think he'sI don't think he's that good of a
defender, you know. I mean, he is six foot one. Maybe
he can stay in front of guys, But I just have a feeling when
you have guys like that on yourteam, teams will hunt them to the
death, like through picking rolls andjust try to get a mismatch with the
little guy. And that's my biggestthing. If Jalen Brunson is not hitting
shots, what does that mean forthe Pistons? So you're taking him?

(36:00):
Yeah, no, no, no, no, again, I'm looking at
it from boats I'm again, I'mlooking at it from both sides, and
I'm trying to clean myself up fromlast week. I'm pointing to the pros
and the cons of having Jalen Brunson. But yeah, I think overall he's
a good enough talent where I don'tthink you're gonna be where. I don't
think him not scoring game in andgame out is going to be that big

(36:22):
of a liability. I'm just concerned, like, what else does he bring
to the team other than scoring.But again, I think he's a good
enough scorer where it won't really matterif he plays in Detroit or not.
And there's obviously going to be somegames where he's not playing to his level
or playing to his contract, whereveryou want to look at it. But
again, I do think ultimately JalenBrunson is a good enough player to be

(36:42):
on the Pistons and play alongside KateKenny and so yeah, I would take
Brunson. So yeah, I don't. Yeah, I'm going I'm again,
I'm what I've noticed about myself isI run a lot of circles about what
I'm talking about, just because I'mtrying to work through all these thoughts.
So just bear with me, guyswhile I still try to figure this out.
But here, I got a questionfor you because I want to hear
your thoughts on a pole I postedon Twitter. I did not share this

(37:06):
with you, Andrew, but I'mgonna share with you now. The poll
I posted was would you trade KillianHayes for Patrick Williams? How do you
even have a platform? I wasjust gonna say, like that guy,
Yeah, it's just one of thefunniest how do we even have a platform?
So um fans on Twitter have saidforty two percent said no, fifty

(37:28):
eight percent yes. That's with onehundred and twenty three votes. I'm actually
surprised it's as close it as itis. But would you trade Killian Hayes
for Patrick Williams? It breaks myheart to say yes, I knew.
I mean you're gonna say yes,I knew it obviously, Pat Willson,
but you know, right now abetter player. You know, I'd love

(37:49):
Killian Hayes, and I think ashe evolves, he it won't be so
blown out of proportion and such awide margin as Killy and Hayes grows in
his career. But at this point, if they were to offer that,
yeah, for sure, Yeah Iwould too. I was watching the Bulls

(38:09):
game earlier today. You know,we record these on Sundays, where we
released him on Monday. So I'mwatching playoff basketball on Sunday and I'm watching
Patrick Williams and I forget who hewas guarding, but he switched from a
big to a guard and he didn'tlose a step. And I'm just like,
now, we see why Chicago wouldn'twant to trade him for Jeremy Grant
Patrick Williams. He's gonna be areal good player. I don't know how

(38:30):
good he is going to be offensively, but defensively, he's gonna be a
game changer on that side of theball. And I can see why the
Bulls would want to hold onto him. But for Pistons fans that are saying
no, I really want to hearpeople's thoughts and email us. Respond to
us on Twitter, send us aDM on Instagram. I want to hear

(38:52):
your thoughts on why you would keepKelly and Hayes over Patrick Williams. Yeah.
Let me add a little caveat thereif you want to response. Don't
don't DM me on Twitter or onInstagram. Sorry, Yeah, don't DM
me on Instagram. Do it?Yeah, do it on Twitter, do
it on Twitter. I'll be thereto listen, you know, to read
everything you have to say about killingHayes. But one of the reasons I

(39:13):
posted that is because again I sawthat poll on the Piston subreddit well,
it was just more of a question. I don't think they had a pull
to it, but I was justsurprised in how many Pistons fans would elect
to keep killing Hayes over Patrick Williams. And the main reason is that they
think that next season is going tobe killing Hayes's breakout. You know,

(39:36):
I mean it could be, butI mean, are the I think the
signs are pointing to him being justa solid guard as a backup. You
know, I don't think there's muchmore to it than that. Like,
I don't think he's gonna be anAll Star. I don't. I don't
believe that. I mean, I'mnot gonna put it. I'm not gonna
put All Star aspirations on him,and I'd never do that to a player.
But I think, man, andI hope I not wrong, but

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I really think we got one inkilling like like damn, damn the rough
start, damn the year two.You know, highs and lows, what
he's shown in the growth he's hadand the package he already has on defense,
and some of like the shots hehits sometimes, like there was a

(40:23):
few times this year where he washitting step back jumpers like just like James
Harden step back threes, you know, and he was hitting some of them,
and you would just say, man, there it is. And I
think I really do think we gotone and Killian Hayes. And I'm not
just saying I've been saying that sincehe got here. Man, That's not
just something I'm saying because it's popular. I've been saying that since it was

(40:45):
unpopular when he was here, youknow, his rookie year and he was
injured and the start of this yeareveryone was calling him a bust. I
go to war with Sada, baby, I don't care who you are.
I think we got one in KillyHayes. I think he's gonna be a
solid player. I like, II say solid, and it's just it's

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such an easy thing just to say, right, that's what I'm like.
What's who who's solid? You know? Yeah, everybody in the NBA is
solid. Like that's like you know, saying, you know that video of
Brian Scalabrini being trash talked in anopen gym and then just absolutely torches the
dude. You know, Brian Scalabriniwas solid, are you okay? So

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I think other than him being solid. I think Killian Hayes just gonna be
another face in the crowd, youknow. I just think he's gonna be
like an eight and five maybe threefour rebounds a game from the guard spot,
off the bench, nothing flashy,nothing too crazy output from the bench.
Killian Hayes will average over ten pointsa game next year. Okay.

(41:50):
I would bet you on that,and I will be waiting to collect because
I know that's my that's my that'smy uh what what what do you call
that? You're lock of the yearwhatever. I don't know. I mean,
I don't know. My crazy take, my hot take, my you
know whatever? Yeah, yeah,hot take, Yeah, okay whatever,
Killian Hayes. We'll see. I'mlet me just say this to this little

(42:12):
caveat. I'm rooting for him tobe good. Like I'm definitely I don't
want him to be bad. Idon't want him to be a failure.
I'm just saying like, in termsof this question, Patrick Williams and Killing
Hayes, I take Patrick Williams overkilling is okay, But let me let
me say that if if Kellyan Hayesturns into Patrick Beverley, is that a
success? Oh yeah, that's Yeah, that's a dude that's a real solid

(42:36):
player like that. And I think, and I think that's a player that
that Killian Hayes can can grow into. And I love That's another guy that
I've been saying four years, Like, I'm so glad I started this whole
Instagram stuff like like eight years ago, and I have receipts because four years

(42:57):
I've been saying I would love PatrickBeverley on the Pistons. So I love
I said all that just to saythat I love the shine that that Patrick
Beverley is getting in the playoffs.But man, I think if Killy and
Hayes can can be Detroit's Patrick Beverley, I really I think that's what I
see for Kelly and Hayes on thisteam is he is going to be the

(43:20):
Detroit Patrick Beverley. M Okay,that's a solid comparison. I love that
word solid. By the way,We're all solid over, Oh Jesus.
For the last segment on the show, we're going to take Kate infuse him
with another Detroit Piston. We've donethis before. We called it diffusing the
Fusion episode. Paying a little littletribute to our love for Dragon ball Z,

(43:42):
which I just found out that Andrewnever watched Dragon ball Z when he
was a kid. But I thinkyou understand the concept. So we're taking
Kad Cunningham. I got a listof Detroit Pistons, and you tell me
whether you would fuse him these twotogether and what kind of player they would
be? Number one, Sadique Baywould you how good would a fusion player
of Katee and Sadique Baby? Theydo a lot of the same thing,

(44:06):
but they're a lot of a differentplayer. Like they're they're both high volume
scores, right, So I don'tknow what a fusion like, Like a
big body, a bigger bodied Kade, Like, Yeah, that'd be pretty
cool. I actually think this wouldbe the weakest out of all the players
now that I'm looking at the listof guys that I put on, because

(44:27):
like you are right, I mean, neither of them are that gifted athletically,
Like Sadiq Bay is a much bettershooter, I guess from the perimeter
than Kate Cunningham. He can catch, he can get hot real quick.
They're both pretty solid defenders. ButI don't know if there's enough of Sadiq
based to fuse with Kid Cunningham tomake them that unique of a players.

(44:47):
So this might be a fusion thatI would pass on. But Homi Diallo
and Kade, how much would youlike that? And what kind of pal
would that be? A Kate jumpingout the gym? Yes? Please,
just a more explosive athlete with aquick first step that like, think of
job Moran. But what is Kadesix two? Oh he's six five six

(45:10):
six six seven? Oh? Yeah, I don't know why I was saying
probably job. No. I honestlyI think I said it because I just
said job, but I was thinkingsmall. But yeah, I think a
job but at Kade type. Yeah, it would just give him another quick,
explosive first step. That would bethe type of just if you could

(45:31):
give Kade hommies athletic abilities, Ohmy god, dude, to be a
totally different player. Isaiah Stewart andKid Cunningham. Is that a fusion you
would like to see? I mean, I don't even know what that looked
like. So instead of just takingthem all, I'm gonna say no on
this one. Yeah, I meanan absolute tank of a Kaide Cunningham.

(45:52):
I mean, I don't know whatthat would the only thing I can think
of, is you're you're getting kids. We're just saying, well, you're
getting kids offensive ability. You're gettingIsaiah Stewart's soft touch around the rim,
and you're getting his footwork defensively andoffensively. Is that is that a Zion
Williamson in Detroit. It's not thesame. It's not the same, dude.

(46:14):
It's like, uh, I'm tryingto think of a player I could
It's kind of like a David Westalmost, I guess, like, no,
not even a David West. Itwould probably be kind of like a
maybe maybe like a Paul Millsap typeof player. I would think of.
Maybe I don't know, I'm losingmy I'm losing my brains on these fusions.
Marvin Bagley, this would probably bethe most lethal in my opinion.

(46:35):
Yeah, yeah, I mean Iwould probably take that one. As you
imagine, though, just like Iwish there was something where you could do
It's like I wish there was abasketball video game where you could just take
two players and put them together andthen make an entire team of this.
Because Marvin Bagley and Kate Kate cuttinghim is a guy that I would fuse
together like you have you're talking likea six to eleven guy that can shoot,

(46:57):
can dribble, can finish over,you, can finish underneath, you,
solid rebounder, can catch lobs likethis is the entire package of Marvin
Bagley and Kade Conny Dam the finalplayer we got and this is just for
fun, but it's Saban Lee.I think this is kind of similar how
you'd see Hommy and Kade. Yeah, I mean Kade would have to miss
a whole lot more dunks for thatto happen. Oh, they wouldn't even

(47:21):
miss dunks. It would be impossiblefor them to miss dunks. You have
saban Leeban's hops and its confidence istaking it. Yeah, but is he
also bringing over his ability to dunkmake because if he is, Kate is
going to be missing a lot moredunks. No, I think when you're
I think when I come up withthese few year it's like you just look

(47:43):
at certain parts of the game.Now. I know you're trying to be
funny. I get it. You'rethe comedian today. I get it trying
to make us laugh. I totallyget it, man, I totally get
it. I did have one morequestion for you, though, because I
actually saw you post this on theInstagram page and it was that three on
three competition? Who would you takenthat Grant Hill rookie year, Rashid Wallace,

(48:05):
Bill Lambier versus Kate Cunningham as arookie play Griffin and Ben Wallace?
Who are you taking out of thosethose two teams? Ah, that's a
hard one and I loved love thatpost. Um, you're taking the guy
with Ben. You're taking the teamwith Ben Wallace. Already know who you
are. Yeah, It's it's hardnot to. It's it's really hard not

(48:28):
to. I'll take the Grant Hillteam in the three and three. I
think that's a good you know,I don't. I mean, I get
a lot of space, Yeah,I mean yeah, but I like especially
the grand Hill and Rashid combo.I think obviously probably Sheet over Blake that

(48:51):
that lamb Beer and Ben Wallace isa toss up. And we you know,
have seen a lot of comparisons betweenCade and Grant Hill, but haven't
really seen enough a Kade yet toknow just how close or how far away
or how ahead of Grant Hill heis. So that's gonna be another toss

(49:15):
up to me, man, thatthat would be such a fun game to
watch all in their primes. Though, Well, you get two rookies and
Grant Hill and Kate cut M goingat it. I would take the Grant
Hill team. It's no offense toKate or Blake Griffin or Ben Wallace,
but I really like how that teamwas put together. I really do.
And plus I'm a I think GrantHills rookie year is super underrated by Pistons

(49:37):
fans, which is fine, butGrant Hill was definitely a killer as a
rookie for the Detroit Pistons. SoI'm gonna take them in that three and
three matchup. But guys, listeners, Andrew, that is the show.
Thank you guys for listening. I'mLance CAPROSI follow me on Twitter at LANs
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