Draft Talk With Tommy From Driving To The Basket

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never lied to you listeners. I'mjust not a fan of college basketball and
I'm not gonna be one of thoseguys that acts like he is and acts
like he knows what he's talking about. But we got a super actual guess
that's gonna take my spot today,and man, he sure does know everything
about the draft. He lives,eats, sleeps, all those things NBA

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Draft. He's got his big boardfor twenty twenty eight done. He knows
who the Pistons are drafting. Heis co host of Driving to the Basket
podcast. He's been on numerous timesbefore. Tommy, Tommy, Welcome to
the show man. Thanks man.That is the best intro I've ever gotten
anywhere. Two takes. That's allit took, two takes. I appreciate

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that. Next time you'll have yourhigh school basketball stats posted as well.
Maybe next time I'll had crowd roarsand maybe we can throw in the fire
effects from the old Pistons. You'regiven Mason a run for his money.
That's funny, man, But aspromised, I don't know what I'm talking
about when it comes to college basketballall that much. So I'm gonna turn

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it over to you guys. Ialways enjoy learning and listening to the episodes
every year we do this between youtwo. So I'm looking forward to the
special episode dropping tomorrow. I knowI'll be listening first thing in the morning.
All Right, I got am Tommyhere from Driving to the Basket podcast.
Andrew just introduced them. We're hereto do the Draft talk episode.

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We're gonna talk draft philosophy, we'regonna talk fit for the Pistons, and
then we're gonna give you our topseven picks based on where we think if
the Pistons laying out one or theyfeeling at two, three, four,
five, six, or seven,We're gonna give you a player for each
spot in the draft. Tommy,how you doing to night, my friend?
I'm doing good. I feel likeAndrew's kind of put me in a

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little bit of a tough position becauseI truthfully, the draft is so hard
to predict. Like every year,any analyst is gonna get some guys wrong.
It's just the nature of the draft. Them guys pan out, some
don't. But we'll do our besthere. We've both done our research for
this. I like following. I'mnot even a college basketball fan per se,
but I'm a huge fan of thedraft, and I just love watching
prospects and looking at what they couldbring to our team and what they could

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do for us. So that's reallywhere I get super excited about this stuff.
And hopefully we'll put on a goodshow. We'll definitely put on a
good show, man, We willdefinitely do that. But let's start this
off. Man. We're talking draftphilosophy, and I want to hear your
take on this first before I spillmine. So what's your take on what's
your draft philosophy. Yeah, so, I mean there's usually usually the debate

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that you'll see is drafting for fitor drafting the best player available, and
there's kind of a new one prevailing, which is drafting for need. Drafting
for fit is like, you know, you see something that your team is
lacking, and you just go forthe player that best addresses that, and
then BPA or best player available islike, regardless of how will they fit
with your team, you just youpick the guy that you think is going

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to be the best player overall.And then drafting for need is kind of
in between that, and I thinkthat's what most teams actually end up doing,
and I think that's probably the bestway to go around it, which
is kind of a mix of thetwo. It's like balancing out best player
available as well as addressing the thingsthat your team kind of lacks, and
in doing so, you're kind ofavoiding the potential problems of overlapping skills and

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you know, guys, maybe there'sonly one ball to go around and you
don't have enough, or the ideaof drafting for fit not working where it's
like, yeah, sometimes it justdoesn't all work together well. Like when
you think about teams of the past, like the O four Pistons, like
that was a team that was greaterthan the s of its parts. And
that's where like fitting really well togetheris super important. So it's all this

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really big, complicated equation and we'regoing to try to navigate that. See
I my philosophy. That's the firsttime I've ever heard in need. But
I my philosophy is always drafting forfit, unless a team lacks talent across
the board. Now, if there'slike a camp miss prospect that slips because
teams won a different direction, everythinggoes out the window. You just draft

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that guy and you just you know, you figure it out. But usually
my primary flash he is fit andI one thing I always try to I
wish teams would do is avoid draftredundancy or position redundancy, like we've seen
teams in years past draft to guardnext year, draft to guard, next
year, draft to guard, Andto me, that doesn't make sense because
you're creating a log jam and leavinglittle room for growth. I'm hoping the

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Pistons can't avoid that, but Ihave a feeling they will just because they're
so they have such a lack oftalent across the board. They have some
nice pieces. Let me just makethat disclaimer real quick, Like you got
Ka, you got Sadike, yougot Isaiah Stewart, you got a nice
complimentary piece like Marvin Bagley unless hedoesn't resign. But outside of those four,
and I mean you could throw inJeremy Grant, I'm just not trying

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to name too many players. Thereis a big void of talent on this
team. So really my philosophy isfit. But it's easy this year for
the Pistons because there's just so muchneed and there's so many players in this
draft that actually do fit with whatthey're trying to do, and I think
that, yeah, that would justbe my biggest flow. He is fit.
Absolutely, I agree with you,and I agree that the Pistons really

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do lack talent right now. Likethe needs as far as what we really
are looking for, I mean,we need spacing, we need secondary ball
handling, defense, athleticism, that'sa really big one, and then we
need a vertical threat. Now,obviously, in this draft we're most likely
not going to be able to addressall of that exactly, but there are
options. Certainly all across the boardto address maybe one or two or three

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of those things. So what doyou think is like the pistons biggest need
going into this draft, or like, what do you think they had lack
the most of. I would sayspacing because I really only see us as
having two mainstays on the roster that'snot including Jeremy Grant. I see it
as Kaid Cunningham is like your cornerstonepiece. He's a guy who's going to

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handle most of the load offensively.Like we brought him in. He looks
every bit the part of a potentialsuperstar, you know, the guy who's
leading your franchise. And the otherguy is Sadique Bay who's maybe not all
that, but he's a great player, a good defender, three point shooter,
capable, and that still leaves alot of, you know, spaces

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that just need to be filled.So I think in the league right now,
it's extremely important to have really goodfloor spacing, and especially with Kaye
being your main guy, that becomesall the more important. So I think
if you're going to draft anybody who'snot a center, you really need them
to be a floor spacer and acapable three point shooter. See I look
at it as I think athleticism,and I'm glad you said that because I

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was just gonna be like, no, we need athletes too. I think,
like athleticism is such an important part. And it's funny saying that because
like the NBA is full of athletes, just the Pistons lack that. Like
the best athlete on the team isprobably Hommy Dudallo. And the reason I
say athleticism is because I agree withyou on spacing. But there's so many

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times where we've seen it this yearwhere Kade is dry, Where Kade is
you know, has the ball,he gets double team and sometimes the defense
is just watching him. It leavesa lot of space for guys to cut
and make plays at the rim.And I think that's a big thing the
Pistons lack. They don't have anyathletes they have, I mean, the
outside of Hommy and Jeremy Grant,they just don't have enough athletes that are

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cutting to the basket and that's anotherway that they can create easy shots for
themselves. But I do agree withyou on spacing, but I think that
when it comes to the draft,you want to hit on some guys that
are great athletes that maybe the shotsnot quite there, but they're showing flashes
of having good shots. I feellike a shot could be worked on.
You got John b Line on thecoaching staff, and he can definitely help

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out, especially with these younger guys. They're going to buy into what he's
trying to teach them. But moreimportantly, when Kaide, when those teams
are looking at him and putting allthat pressure on him, they need a
guy that can just make a hardcut to the basket and finish at the
rim. I think that is somethingthe Pistons have lacked for a couple of
years now. Yeah, I definitelyagree that athleticism is something that the Pistons

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lack. That's something that needs tobe addressed because neither Kade nor Sadek are
really good like bursty athletes. Butthe good thing about having a team with
really good three point shooting and spacingis that you still address that issue that
you mentioned, which is that Kaidegets mobbed when he drives to the basket.
What happens when you have poor threepoint shooters on your team is that

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they're defenders. The defenders of guyswho are poor three point shooters, they
will sag off and they will helpon drives. And that's when you see
those pictures like the ones that circulatedTwitter or like two, three, four,
even five guys are just mobbing Kade. It's because they don't respect their
man as much as they respect Kaidon the drive. Now, if you
put really good three point shooters aroundKade, you can trust that Kate is

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going to be capable of kicking theball out to the open man. Like
if somebody SAgs off of a goodthree point shooter, like they're capable of
catching and putting up a really quickshot. Kaid is a good enough pastor
that he's going to be able toget rid of the ball, get the
ball to the right person, andthat person is going to be able to
put up a good shot, ashot that you're quickly fine taking. And
that's where a really good three pointshooting team is just gonna it's gonna put

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you in a tough spot wherever youchoose to go, because if you're sagging
off, you're gonna have a toughtime if you let them take the shot
that's a good shot, Like you'rehappy with all the options that come through.
True, absolutely, no, andI do agree with if I do
think spacing, it's higher up onmy board. I just think, you

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know, when Marvin Bagley came tothe team and he was able to create
vertical spacing and gave Kaid that reallob threat just change the game. But
then there are just other times whereI see it where I'll see a guy
that just sits on the perimeter alittle too long, where I'm like,
dude, just cut to the basket, you know what I'm saying, Like,
you know, just make a play, make a hard cut, you'll
get in. You maybe even goto the line, and you're able to

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get that third point other than justcamping out on the perimeter. And again,
I do think spacing is very important. I think this team does like
three point shooting. But that's goingto back what we were talking about when
we first started this podcast. Thisteam just there's so many holes across the
board that really it's almost it wouldalmost be impossible for the Pistons to go
wrong in this draft. Like Ifeel like one through seven you can find

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a guy that fits some type ofneed for this team, whether it's cutting
to the basket, athleticism or spacingor anything that they need, they will
be able to find it. Sure, absolutely, So we can get into
this man, let's get into thetop seven picks. We can go.
I'll let you go first, I'llgo second. We'll just flip flop until
we get to seven. But Iwant to hear who you would take at

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number one if the Pistons lay inthe top pick? Yeah, number one
overall, I have Jabari Smith Jr. He's a six ten forward with a
seven foot one wing span, twohundred and twenty pounds out of Auburn,
This jumbo three and D forward whoshot forty two percent on threes on really
good volume. And again, Iknow this ties right into the conversation that
we're having. He's a guy whodefinitely helps address that lack of three point

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shooting. He has great switch abilitytoo when it comes to defense. The
only thing I'm concerned about Jabari Smithgoing number one is he just relies on
his jump shot a lot. Heis a very good shooter, but for
a guy his size, he doesn'treally like to attack the rim or play
close to the post, play inthe post like he doesn't like to get

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dirty that way. And I knowhe had that highlight dunk of on Jackson
State in the NCAA tournament, buthis man was like six foot seven in
his hand was still right there,Like all he had to do is move
it over to the left and heprobably would have blocked that shot. I
just I'm my concerns about Jabari Smithare he has of the top three prospects,
in my opinion, he has thelowest floor, but he also doesn't

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have the highest ceiling of the threeeither. And I feel like I've seen
some comparisons to Richard Lewis where Ido like those comparisons. I do see
that it's an interesting compo because youdon't really see Richard Lewis's name out there.
My biggest concern for Jabari is ifthe SHOT's not falling from the outside,
how can he help offensively? Andwhat else is he bringing to the
team. That's all very valid,you know. One of the reasons that

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they probably the main reason that theyfell out of the tournament early, like
they should have been contenders for likethe championship, and they didn't. Jabari
shot very poorly in their elimination game, and yeah, no, if his
outside shot is not falling, You'reabsolutely right, there's not a ton that
he brings, but he is sucha good shooter, and I think that
in the NBA, where there's nosingle elimination games, you know, you're

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playing a lot more games, Ithink it's going to become less of a
factor. I just see him assuch a strong fit with the team.
So he's number one on my boardbecause he's really the only guy with a
good ceiling that I'm not worried aboutbeing targeted on either end. Offensively,
he will warrant at least signal coverageon the perimeter because he is that spacing
threat. And defensively, like yousaid, he's a very very capable switch

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defender on the perimeter and he's verycapable of defending drives. So I don't
think he's going to be a weaknesson either end, like he is going
to, you know, keep aguy off of KDE on drives, and
he's also going to be able toswitch everything, which the Pistons are very
much doing. Like we saw alot last year. They wanted to switch
everything on the perimeter, and inthat sense, he fits in perfectly.

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Yeah. I was gonna say that, like with his switching ability, because
the defensive scheme for the Pistons isyou're right, they did switch everything,
and you know, with Jabari andhis potential on that side of the ball,
like, it makes it very aninteresting case for him to go number
one. I don't have him atnumber one. It's just outside of the
shooting and outside of the potential defensively, Like, I don't think he's great

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of an athlete by NBA standards.No oh an unwillingness to really attack the
rim. That's something that kind ofconcerns me. I actually made a comparison
of him in Austin Day, andI know I'm sure Pistons fans don't want
to hear that, but Austin Day, like, if you like, we'll
go back and you kind of watchhim. He didn't have the same numbers

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as Jabari Smith because he played ona talented got Zagga team, but you
know, he was a jump shootingsix to eleven guy. He could block
shots at the rim. You know, they talked about him defensively that way,
and they kind of pegged him asthe next KD, which I thought
was on fair And that's kind ofmy biggest concern for Jabari is that I
just don't want him to be likethis. I want him to do more

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offensively than just spot up shoot becauseyou didn't really see a lot of him.
You saw a lot of isolation ballsat Auburn. You saw him trailing
a lot, and you saw himkind of like he is pretty good at
picking his spots. When I wentback and watched a little more of him,
But I want to see him comeoff of hand, you know,
off do some handoffs. So Iwant to see him, you know,
do some pick and roll action.I want to I want to see that
from him, and I feel likewe didn't get enough of that from him

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at Auburn his past season. Sothose are more of my concerns. I
just don't want the Pistons to drafta spot up shooter with the number one
pick because there's just that unwillingness todo the other things offensively from him.
But it's totally fair because you're right, he doesn't. He does not like
to attack inside. I think it'smore of a mental thing because like he

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said, he's capable of it.I mean, six ten seven one two
twenty pounds, like he has thebody, and it's really more a matter
of I feel like he's not confidentin his hand because it's not that he
lacks I'm not going to say hehas poor burst, but he doesn't really
show off what he's capable of doingbecause he has the physicality for it,
he just chooses not to do it, and that is frustrating at times.

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I'm a ton percent there with you. I think it's something that can be
developed, and I think that it'swhen you combine the physicals with the fact
that he is such a great shooterthat he's going to warrant close coverage all
the time. I feel like there'sno reason he shouldn't be able to develop
the ability to attack closeouts. Andif he can never do that, he's
going to be able to add waymore to his game. But right now,

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baseline, all he really needs isto be able to continue to hit
his shots at the clip that he'shitting because he's such a fantastic shooter,
Like I have full confidence that hisjump shot is going to translate to the
NBA, like as high as youcan reasonably go, because it just looks
so clean, six ten, longarms, high release. Nobody's blocking that

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shot. Like He's going to beable to get his shot off from a
variety of spots and that is veryvery important to me, see and it
kind of reminds me and I can'tbelieve I'm even bringing this name up,
and I'm not making the comparison ofhim and Jabar. I'm just gonna try
to point something out to Adam Morrison. This was a guy that could hit
shots from everywhere. He was peggedas this Jim Rat that could shoot from

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all over like unlimited range. Theproblem with Adam Morrison, though, is
he didn't have the proper footwork,he didn't have the burst. There wasn't
much he could do offensively, andwhen that shot wasn't falling because of the
length in the NBA and the speedof it, he was out of the
league in a couple of years.Now. Jabari, he's obviously six ten
and not six foot eight. Ihave to believe even watching him, he
has a little bit better footwork thanAdam Morrison. And again I'm not saying

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it's the cleanest comparison between the two. It's just that what you had just
said. I had heard the samething about Adam Morrison when he was coming
out where It's like, man,you know his jump shots there, that's
what's gonna make him in awesome NBAplayers because that jump shot is there.
But Adam Morrison couldn't do anything elsein the NBA and it you know,
and he was drafted really high too. I believe he was drafted in the
top three or top four and hefell, he burned out of the NBA.

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And that's my biggest concern for Jabari. But also my other concern for
Jabari is I'm not sure all ofthe Pistons. I'm sure the Pistons fans
they'll be quick to turn on him, like they'll be real quick to turn
in him because he likes to takelong toos and we've seen it with Jeremy
Grant where he takes long twos andpeople will just obliterate him on Twitter.

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And I'm that's my bit. That'sanother fear of mine that I have for
Jabari. That's, you know,the outside noise from Pistons fans not playing
up to the expectations that he haswhere it ultimately, you know, and
it shouldn't, but if he can'tblock out the noise, that that ultimately
might affect his time in Detroit aswell. But I'm leaning more towards Jabari,
you know, like At first,I was like, you know,

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I'm good. I don't want him. I want him nowhere near Detroit.
But after I went back and watchedand started, you know, really trying
to break down his film and tryingto find things where all these scouts and
experts loved, I started to fallin love with Jabari Smith too. So
but he's not my number one.But I don't know, I mean,
are those any concerns for you aswell? Like, maybe not the Adam
Morrison thing, but like the fansturning on Jabari Smith. I know it's

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kind of more of an opinion andthere's nothing really to base it off of,
but I think that the fans willactually really like him, and I
in my notes, like, oneof the first things that I've noticed when
I first started watching Jabari's clips isthat he plays with effort. He gets
low in his stance, he takespride in playing hard, like when he
gets somebody, when he forces aturnover, likes he gets animated, like

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he loves doing this stuff. AndI think in that sense, he's a
great culture fit. And I thinkthat anybody who's willing to come into Detroit
and work hard and prove that they'rewilling to do the dirty work. I
think the fans are gonna be finewith it. Now. Again, that's
conversely, like he's not really he'skind of afraid to drive inside. So
there's two sides to that point.I get that, but I'm not really
worried about the fans turning on Jabariso long as night tonight. For the

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most part, he's shooting it welland I think he will And that was
another part I put in my notes. Defensively, he sets the tone with
his energy and engagement, and he'sa guy that really does compete on that
defensive side. And I'm gonna befair to Jabari. That is something that
I overlooked up. That's the partof his game that I overlooked watching him
in college. I didn't really becauselike I was so excited about the offensive

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potential that I completely forgot about thatside. And when you go back and
watch it, it's like, Dude, he is a real dog defensive,
Like he really is a competitor onthat side. And that's the other part
of Jabari where I'm like, yeah, you know, I'm not like I
wouldn't mind him in Detroit now justbecause of that defensive potential and that energy
and that commitment and engagement he playswith. Yeah, I'm absolutely I was

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going to ask you, what doyou have? Number one? Okay,
it's if you follow me on Twitter, you probably already know this, but
it's chat holder. I'm like,I love Chet like I an elite shot
blocker. I love that he likestaking the challenge, just like Jabari of
stopping an opponent. He can slidehis feet on the perimeter. He's good
enough on that in that area tobother players. I'm not saying like he
doesn't have I don't think he hasthe switchability of a Barie Smith, but

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he's a guy that is not afraidto get out there and guard someone on
the perimeter, and he has goodfor work for a guy at his side.
The one part of his game,though, that I really love and
I think is just so underrated andpeople don't talk about it is enough,
is his ability as a seven footcenter seven foot one, however tall he
is, is getting a rebound orgetting a block and then taking the ball

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down the court and pulling up fora three, or creating something for someone
else. That is such an extrato mention to what he brings offensively that
I love it. You know,he's also a solid cutter. I've seen
that plenty of time, Zakonzaga.He is a good face up game.
He can shoot from the three pointline. He's not afraid to take a
he's not afraid of contact. Ithink he made like eighty percent of his

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threes inside three feet at the rimeighty percent of his shots, not eighty
percent of his threes. Let metake that back, I haven't number one
overall. He made eighty percent ofhis threes. Yeah, that would be
Yeah, he would be the greatestprospect ever by bad on that. But
anyways, just there's so much,Like I know people have concerns about his
weight, but his off fence isso it's so versatile that I'm not afraid

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if you can't bang with guys likeI don't need a classic big man to
do that. Like it'd be niceif he can get a bucket. But
he's also a lot for us,so he can get an easy two that
way. But again, I'm notafraid if he can't bang with big dudes
like a Joel Embiid or you knowwhat, Clint Capella, Like he's going
to hurt them other ways. That'swhat he's going to do, and that's
what I love about chat Holgram.He is by far my favorite prospect in

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this draft. But like, whatare your thoughts on chat Holgram. Yeah,
we actually on our podcast, wejust did a single prospect episode where
we talked about him for about now. We deep dived his game. My
co host has him number one onhis board. I have. I said
that I have him one bet becauseI like to borrow a lot, and
but I as especially as I dida lot more research for this deep dive,

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like I really really like Chat justto paint the picture. Seven foot
one, seven six winkspan And youmentioned the way he's only one hundred and
ninety five pounds. True, Iam one hundred and ninety five pounds and
I'm not seven and one. Buthonestly, I'm not super worried about at
night tonight. I think Chat forthe most part, he compensates for his
lack of length or lack of weightrather with length, agility, and just

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fundamentally sound defense. I think he'sa phenomenal positional defensive talent as a rim
protector. And I love that youmentioned that he is not afraid to take
contact. That is a big partof it. Like the way this guy
puts his arms straight up and takesit in the chest, takes it in
the gut on a night to nightbasis, Like especially for having no fat
on him, Like he must befeeling these hits, like he is a

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super skinny player, but like heis, nobody messes with him, you
know, like he's he will he'she is not the sort of guy that
backs down. That's one of thethings I really really like about chet Chet.
I mean, if you just wantto jump to like the way that
the fans are gonna feel about Chet, They're gonna like him because he's got
like not not bad boys mentality,like like two thousand and tens, like
eighties bad boy mente. Like helikes to get under people's skin. He

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likes to like get rough, LikeI really appreciate that, even at one
hundred and ninety five pounds, Likewhen you like, I'm sure most people
by now, if you're listening tothis, you probably appreciate the drafting.
It's like a niche thing for you. You've seen the pictures of him,
like you know what he looks like. It's like, gosh, How does
that guy play center? How doeshe not get pushed around? He doesn't
get pushed around because he does notback down. If he sees contact coming,

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he braces himself, he gets lowand he does his best. Like
sometimes, yeah, he will getback down. Some guys are gonna push
him all the way to the rim. Once he gets there, he puts
his arms straight up and he isforcing tough shots. And I think a
lot of Pistons fans are overlooking thatwe still have Isaiah Steward. You know,
that's a guy that within I can'tbelieve I'm bringing the stat up again,
but within six feet he holds opponentsten percent less than what they're shooting.

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So like, for example, ifsomeone shooting fifty two percent when they're
within six feet being carted by IsaiahStewards are shooting a roughly forty two percent,
I believe that's what the stat was. And he's the guy, he's
the bodyguard for Chet. You know, Chet just needs to be a good
help side defender. He just needsto use his link to block some shots.
He doesn't need to go totally toewith some of these, you know,
with the Joelmbides or the Nicola Yoakicsand I heard on your podcast like,

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well, how's he gonna stop him? Like, dude, nobody stops
those guys. And you made thatpoint too, like nobody stops those guys.
So I'm not worried about that partof Chat because nobody else in the
NBA can do it. But Ithink Chat will fit because there is Isaiah
Steward. There is that guy thatcan bang with people, that isn't afraid,
that also isn't afraid to take itin the chest, that doesn't back
down. He just fits that mindset. Chet to me is kind of like

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he's kind of like KG in away, like he plays with that really
raw intensity from night in and nightout, you know. I mean,
he's not going to be banging hishead like KG was, or like going
into the well like the basket frameand everything, like hitting his head into
it. He's not that type ofintensity, but the same intensity. Like
there is something about Chat where it'slike this dude is a real intense dude.

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He knows what people are saying andhe is out there to prove everybody
wrong. And that's something else Ilove about Chet. And the one thing
about his weight, he's gonna gainweight, Like there's I have no doubt
in my mind. If you don'twant to draft Chet because you think he's
not going to gain weight, that'sa bet you're going to lose. I
know you're going to lose that betbecause he will. I had when I

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was playing in high school. Therewas a six foot nine center on our
team and he was being scouted bysome, you know, a pretty big
Division one program, and they toldhim he needed to gain weight. Didn't
gain weight going to the Division oneprogram, but his first year at community
college, this dude goes from liketwo hundred and ten pounds to two twenty
five. And I was at acommunity college and I was asking him.

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I'm like, well, how'd yougain the way? I just had this
conversation with him a couple of daysago, after I knew you were going
to come out and we were gonnado this, and I wanted to make
this comparison. He's like, man, the thing I did was I just
drank milkshakes and I ate fast food, and I worked out. I think
that is something that Chet is probablygoing to do because I've seen that with
Joe lmbad. I've seen those picturesin those videos of him just you know,
with a tent like a seven orten thousand dollars seven to ten thousand

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calorie diets you know, every day, And I think that's something an MBA
program is going to put Chat onand he will be able to gain the
weight. The weight is not aconcern for me at all with Chat Holgram,
right, So I'm going to tryto tie all of that together into
it's kind of my my one concernbecause yeah, not that everybody or hardly
anybody can reasonably guard the kiches andthe mbiads, but I do have some

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concerns about whether certain matchups are ableto exploit him routinely because of the weight
and the key difference. That's thekey difference between him and Jabar for me,
Jabar, I'm not really worried abouthim being exploited Chat. I think
if you have you know, skilledphysical centers, he could become a weak
point. So you mentioned your friendputting on the weight by like upping his

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calories. If Chat isn't gaining likefunctional muscle, I'm worried that it's going
to slow him down. And Idon't so I don't want him to just
get fat. You know, Idon't want him to get heavy, so
he needs to he needs to gainweight, but it should be muscle.
And some people they just struggle withthat, like their buyer markers that you
can look for, like one ofthe ones that I looked for when I

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was just starting to work out,like because you just lit the stuff up,
Like how big your risks are,how big your ankles are, Like
those are really good indicators of howmuch muscle you're going to be able to
add to your frame. I don'tknow Chat's risk size, but I mean,
obviously every person who's looking at Chatwas like, that guy has to
put some muscle on. And I'msure that they're trying to, but maybe
he just maybe it's just really reallydifficult for him. So I don't want

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him to take the easy route andjust you know, get fat. You
know, I think he's still Ithink his biggest advantage is that mobility,
so I don't want him to justput size on. I think that he
for the most part, I wouldmuch rather have the mobility as opposed to
wait. And I think it's heneeds to hit a certain weight threshold.
I don't know what it is forhim to be like a different defender where

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he is able to handle guys withsize. Because, like even in the
in the college season, one ofthe big matchups that I was really looking
forward to was Chat Holmgren verse isJalen Durhan Because Jalen Durhan is like this
physical specimen. He's like six eightsix nine, but he's two hundred and
fifty pounds and Chat was able tokeep him from getting good shots at the

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rim. Jalen was able to backhim down, but Chet kept him from
getting easy shots. That's what mattersto me. That's really the crux of
the issue. Now, if guysare able to like overpower him, like
Shaquille O'Neill him, that's gonna bea problem. I really don't see that
happening night tonight. But if youget a playoff matchup against the guy who
is able to do that every night, then yes, you are going to

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have to send the double. Likeyou mentioned Isaiah Stewart. If you have
to send Isaiah Stewart to help Chat, or if you have to send Chat
to help Isaiah Stewart, you're doublingone guy. I means somebody else,
somebody somewhere else is open and that'sa defensive breakdown. That is the situation
that I want to avoid. Idon't think it's going to happen often.
But that's the reason I don't haveChet. Number one got Chay and I
didn't mean like and I'm going backto my friend, like, he didn't

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just gain fifteen pounds of just likewait, it was like it was actual
like muscle like he looked. AndI think that's what Chet two is,
maybe not so much gain weight,but just gain strength, like functional strength,
like what you're saying, like astronger up, a stronger base,
like that's what he needs to workon. So he's not being overpowered like

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you were saying. But way concernsthe side. Chet is definitely my favorite
prospect by far, and that JalenDurham. That matchup that was awesome,
and you are right like he didback him down, but Chet did such
a good job of making things difficultand I think that will carry over into
the NBA. Really what I loveabout Chet and the reason I think he
has the highest ceiling in this draft, And if I was drafting, I

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think you'd be a no brainer pickfor me at number one. With Chet,
I just see him defensively, Likewe were talking before the pod,
like finding guys that can anchor yourdefense. I think that is very well
what Chet could be. And Ithink we're looking potentially at a guy that
is songs, he stays healthy,and he can do the things that he's
been always able to do. Defensively, he will be on those all defensive
teams and be in consideration for thoseDefensive Players of the Year award. I

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really do see that in Chat's future, and that is also why I'm having
number one, because offensively, that'sthe bonus to what he brings. Defensively,
his defense is so good that thatoffense, like even if you only
average fourteen points a game, butas long as he brought it defensively every
night, yeah, I could livewith that. That'd be fine with me.
I don't need him to be atwenty plus scorer every single night.

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I just need him to be theman defensively and hold it down for the
Pistons. Yep, his defense isspecial, and you're right, I think
he could anchor a defense. Ithink that he could potentially change the way
that the Pistons played defense instead ofbeing the switch heavy defense that we do,
like switch everything. Like you mentionedit at the start, he is
not as good of a switch defenderas he is a drop defender, And
I think you'll live with that.Like if he has switched onto the ball

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and a point guard is attack tryingto attack him downhill, you'll let it
happen. I think he's gonna hecould have like Rudy Gobert type defensive impact
on the drop. So oh,the reason I don't have him, Oh,
go ahead in my bed. Thereason I don't have him number one
though, is that there is bustconcerns. Like I with you that his
ceiling is probably the highest in termsof impact when you factor in both sides

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of the ball. But Chat isa unique player, Like we have not
seen a player this skinny and thismobile in this NBA. So there is
that chance that it just doesn't workout the way he's officiated, Could you
know, flip it one way orthe other. You know, if refts
don't like, if if he's justif the refs let him get overpowered consistently,

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Knights and Night, like, ifhe's allowed to be thrown around,
what do you do about that?Like, then you have to wait for
him to put on functional strength.That's the only thing. I think it's
far more likely that he pans outin the NBA. But the reason I
don't have him number one is becauseI think Jabari just he puts me more
at ease, Like I'm not worriedabout Jabari letting you down either offensively or

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defensively, Whereas with Chat, Ithink there is a slight chance that he
has exploited because of his weight,And I don't know that he's going to
be able to put enough weight onthat he's going to be able to stop
everybody. That's fair, that that'sdefinitely fair, and I would agree with
that. I just I just don'tsee in this. Yeah, I fall
in love with the upside. Ijust don't see him like being too much

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of a bust. The one thingI will say that could that potentially concerns
me is injuries. Like I know, I don't think he's had a ton
of them throughout his career, likein high school and college. But you
know, the NBA is a differentballgame, you know what I'm saying,
Like it's just yup, it reallyis. And again, like I don't
want to like backtrack and saying thatthe way he didn't concern me. But
it's the injuries that come with thelack of weight that that's what potentially concerns

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me. But again, I'm notreally too concerned with him not being able
to gain weight. I think he'llbe able to do it at the NBA
level. Yeah, what do youthink of his fit with the Pistons.
I love. I actually love hisfit with the Pistons, I really do.
I think he gives Kaide another lobthreat. He gives them like that
kind of defensive anchor. He givesthem also a defensive communicator, which is
something I know a lot of peopletalk about with Isaiah Stewart that he doesn't

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talk enough defensively. I think Chatbrings that to the table. So maybe
if he's not able to switch onthe perimeter quite like Jabari is, he'll
least be able to communicate and pickand you know, put people in the
right spots to actually make that defensework. So I love his fit personally,
Like there's not many guys in mytop seven that I have question marks
when it comes to fit. Ido have one guy where I don't really

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like to fit, but it's definitelynot Chat. I love his fit,
but what about you for the Pistons. No, I agree with you.
I mean, I think he wouldbe a good compliment to Kade. I
think with Kade right now, wherethe way the Pistons should be building is
Kade is your play initiator. He'sthe guy who's creating for your team,
needing more guys who can finish,whether that's you know, kick out to
the three point line, get aguy to get a shot up, or
in this case, a guy likeChat who has this enormous catch radius,

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decent leaping ability, and some threepoint shooting upside. He should be a
lob threat. He's very mobile.I think that the fit with him,
like the potential pick and roll bothoffensively and then the pick and roll defense
especially. I think that he wouldfit very very well on the Pistons.
And I think too, like Imean, if you get a guy like
Jet, it's you don't have concernswith Isaiah Stewart or Marvin Bagley. He

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fits alongside both of those guys too, So you would actually be able to
have more length on the floor whenyou draft a guy like Chet, because
when it was Isaiah Stewart and MarvinBagley, it's not really like the most
ideal fit with those two on thefloor. Lack of space, sing,
lack of finishing, um, youknow, the defensive side to like Marvin
Bagley's pretty negative on that side forthe most part. But with Jet,
you can play both those guys withhim at different times, and you know

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you're gonna you know, you're notgonna lose much like you're not gonna like
cringe when you see those guys onthe floor together. As long as Chet
along as out there along with eitherone of them, like, it's not
much of a concern. So Ipersonally love to fit when it comes to
Chet. But I'm gonna move onto number two, and my number two
pick is Jabari Smith. I originallyhad Polo Banco, but once I started
going back and watching, I reallylove Jabari Smith at number two. And

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you know, for everything that wementioned, I'll just say it, you
know again, like lethal, spotup, shooter, size, shooting stroke,
he's pretty unguardable on that side,and just the defense when it comes
to the switching and what in thatenergy and that engagement he brings. But
who do you have at number two? I had Chat, So we just
have our flip flops one and two, which I figured would happen. I

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think, I mean most a lotof people have chat number one on their
boards. I think for me,I think just because of the need thing
again and the faith that I havein Jabari Smith, I have him number
one. Yeah, so we canmove on to number three. But who
do you have at number three?I have Jade and Ivy And yeah,
this is okay. So it's it'sworth mentioning at this point that this draft
is not last year's draft. Likelast year that draft class that was phenomenal,

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and we knew it was going tobe phenomenal, like it is,
it's looking like one of the bestdraft classes of all time this one.
There are a lot of players withyou know, strengths, but a lot
of them have like fatal flaws andat some point, like it's you just
get weird with the fit and Ithink that's kind of Jade and Ivy.
Like I've been a fan of Jadeand Ivy basically since the start of the

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year, and one of the thingsI was looking for from him was his
three point shooting. But let mejust talk about him a little bit.
Sixty four guard out of perdue plusfive inch wingspan, which should give him
some defensive upside that he's got thathe should be able to, you know,
get in there. One hundred ninetyfive pounds, blistering athleticism, super

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athletic guard with great burst and awillingness to attack the rim, and an
improved three point shooter in his sophomoreseason. So he finished the year at
thirty five point eight percent, andthat's up almost ten percent on the previous
year, you know, his freshmanyear at Perdue. Because when you watch
him, it's like, man,this guy can really attack, but he
needs to be able to make histhrees or else Guys aren't going to close

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out of him. They're gonna sagoff and they're gonna just deny the driving
lanes. So it's worth contextualizing thatthat thirty five point eight percent a little
further. Though. He started offthe year like upwards of forty percent at
one point, and then he felloff like halfway through, so it averaged
out to thirty five point eight percent. But the upside is still there.
I still saw enough where I'm likedecently comfortable taking that swing on Ivy.

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Yeah, I think in his firsttwenty games this season with Purdue. He's
shooting like forty two or forty threepercent from the three point line. But
it was those final ten games wherewe started to struggle. I love Jade
and Ivy two, Like, outsideof Chat, he might be my favorite
prospect. He really is that burst, those long strides when he's going to
the rim, he's lethal in transition. Defensively, you know, he can

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lose his man a little bit,but he can he makes those highlight defensive
plays, and you see that potentialthat he can do defensively, I don't.
I think if you're drafting him,you're and if you're if you're a
team and you're drafting him to beyour lead guard, you've already messed up.
He's not a lead guard. He'sa guy that's gonna playoff of a
lead guard. And the reason Ilove, the reason I love Jade and

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Ivy so much is just dude likewith him and Kate, it kind of
reminds me of like James Harden andRussell Westbrook. And I did not think
of that on my own. I'vedefinitely read that somewhere and I just thought,
like, that makes a lot ofsense, you know, because you
have Cade's slow methodical pace where hejust kind of dribbles and looks at the
defense, and you know he kindof manipulates it in a way. And
then you've got Jade and Ivy comingin hot shooting out of a cannon,

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ready to attack the rim. It'sit would be a beautiful marriage in Detroit
between these two. I would loveit. He's a good shot maker out
of isolations, the pick and roll, Like I've already said, he got
that quick first step, those longstrides. He can finish with either end.
There was a play against Michigan wherehe was on the perimeter, took
two dribbles, dumped over two people, his defender and the help side defender.

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I hate that it happened against Michigan, but that play was beautiful by
Jade and Ivy. There's so muchto love about Jade and Ivy. I
do have concerns about his shot.I think his shot his release is kind
of low. You can see meon camera. I think it's like kind
of like almost by his chin versusup higher. That's concerned. But again
there's John bee Line sitting on thebench. I think he can help him

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out. But I really love theJade and Ivy. Do you think he's
kind of like that swing for thefence pick for the Pistons, where you're
just betting that he's going to bea star in the league. I'm definitely
I have him up this high becauseof his athleticisms him and this is going
back to addressing needs. The Pistonsdefinitely just need athleticism somewhere, and Jaden

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is probably the most athletic player inthis class. He's not jab. People
will say that he like aesthetically likethey both have the braids, like they
look similar. They're both like birstyguards. But I wouldn't make that comp
They have some similarities on the playstyle, but it's unreasonable to expect that
level of output from Ivy. Butyeah, Jayden Jaden loves attacking from the

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perimeter and in transition. I thinkthat's probably where he's at his most effective.
He's good for a few good dunkattempts per game, like he's trying
to kill anybody who's under the rim, like he is fearless attacking. I
think he'll benefit from NBA spacing andplaying next to more versatile NBA bigs.
At Purdue, he was playing nextto the slow, seven foot four Zachie,

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he's a good player, but anon spacer. I would say,
yes, he is a swing forthe fences, but his fit with the
Pistons is not the most natural.He technically played combo guard at Perdue.
I think he's here's the weird thingabout Ivy. I don't think right now
he's necessarily good enough to be alead guard in the NBA, but he's

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probably It's probably the best situation forhim specifically. I don't know if it's
the best situation for the team thatdrafts him. But nevertheless, I personally
believe that a tailored role where hefocuses on catching shoot threes. Like you
mentioned, he's not the best shooter. I think his catch and shoot three
his set shot looks a lot betterif he focuses on that drives and cuts

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off of passes from Kaid and pushingthe ball in transition. I think that
could make him a viable high calibertwo guard or combo guard on the Pistons.
And that's kind of where I seelike his best potential outcome for US.
Okay, I got you. Isee I like his fit with the
Troy just because I think him andKaye could be a good balancing act.
But I also do agree there aredefinitely some concerns with Jade and Ivy,

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but I do see eventually, likeas a spot up shooter that working out
for him. And I just keepenvisioning him like catching the ball, the
defense kind of collapses and then hejust takes it to the rim, or
if they play off, he canhurt you from the perimeter. I just
don't see him as a lead guard. I think, out of the prospects
I have at guard on my topseven, he's the best at being a

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secondary playmaker off of Kate, whichis I think something the Pistons desperately need.
Like that's why they started Corey Joseph. You know, that was the
guy that could He could shoot,he could finish at the rim, but
also he could create for others ina small you know, in small bunches,
and I think that's something Jade andIvy gives you. He's not a
great passer, and he's not Hedefinitely not a guy that can I wouldn't
want him to try to create shotsfor others full time. But I think

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if you just kind of simplify hisrole to what you were saying spot up,
shooting, driving to the basket,cutting to the rim. It would
be perfect for him in Detroit.You know, I mean I don't really
like I kind of like I wastelling you at the beginning, like my
draft philosophy is fit. So allseven guys on here except for one admittingly
they I think they all fit withwhat the Pistons are trying to do and

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how Kade plays. So but yeah, Jade and Ivy, I had him
actually at number four, even thoughI did want to put him higher.
But you know, I mean,I got scared. You know, you
you have the balls. I don'tso to put him at number three.
But Jade and Ivy. I loveJa, I love Jade and Ivy.
I can't say enough about him.But yeah, I definitely I'm a lot

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higher on him than consensus. Andif you ask my co host, like
this is probably the biggest argument thatwe've had, like I say argument air
quotes like it's a friendly debate,but we've probably argued more about the viability
of Jade and Ivy. And youknow, this this role and this idea
that I have for him, whichis the reason I'm comfortable putting him this
high. Like, if you lookat general NBA mocks, you will you
chances are you won't see Jade andIvy at three or this high. You

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could. You might see him atfour, but not at three. And
the reason I have him here isbecause this is a Pistons podcast, It's
a Pistons specific board, and Iam just higher or thin consensus on Jade
and Ivy all that stuff works together. But yeah, no, I mean
I think he's I think he's worththe risk for sure. What's the biggest
argument from your co host and whyhe would to want Jade and Ivy My

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co host Mike. He believes thatIvy would be at his best with the
ball in his hands, and thathe loses so much when he's taken off
ball that it would be not worthit as a pick, Like it's not
his natural position. Like at Purdue, yes, he was not technically the
point guard, but he was stilla fairly on ball player. And you
know, a guy who's going tobe attacking the rim, I mean,

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you need the ball in your handsfor the most part, unless we have
like a fantastic you know, youhave fantastic chemistry with somebody who's gonna get
you the ball on the cut.Now, that could be Kade, and
I would hope it would be Kay. But at his core, you know,
from Jade and Ivy's perspective, youwould want him to be you would
want to have the ball in yourhands. That's that's kind of the crux
of it. Like there are morenatural fits is basically his argument, and

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it's it makes sense. Like he's, like I said from the beginning,
the fit with the pistons not themost natural. You are cutting pieces of
his game out to make the fitwork. But I just think that the
parts of his game that you aregetting are valuable enough that they're still better
than some other more natural fits.Got Jo, Okay, that mean that
makes sense, That makes sense.I still think the fit works, though

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I think he will. I thinkhe's a smart enough player to figure it
out. And I think with allthose double teams that come towards Kade,
and like how we were talking aboutthe picture of like five guys all zoning
in on Kade, Jady and Ivey'sgonna have a lot of room to make
some plays playing off of the ball. So right, And there's one other
thing that he said, and thisis something that I agree with the three

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point shooting, it might not comealong. Like like we said, that's
the other big part of his ofhis argument, like he was a streaky
three point shooter. You know,if he doesn't if he doesn't get to
his three ball, you know,up and working really well, you know,
guys are just gonna sag off ofhim, and he's they're gonna take
away those driving lanes. And thenJade and Ivy's in a really tough position.
That's like the Jalen Sugs type thing. Yeah, he did not have

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a good year, So that's theother risk. I think that Jade and
ives set shot where he's you know, he's catching, he's got his feet
set and he puts it up.I think it looks good. It looks
consistent enough, but you know,pull ups are off the dribble. He's
not a consistent shooter, So Ihave fears there. Yeah, that's actually
one of my biggest concerns too,because I think he shot something like twenty

(46:30):
nine or thirty percent off pull upjumpers, So that is definitely a big
concern for me. But the setshot, it looks good, you know.
But the other thing too is wesaw the Pistons play at a faster
pace towards the end of the season, and I think that Bod's really well
for what Jade and Ivy's trying todo, you know, and that's gonna
make his game Like, that's gonnahelp his game out, getting getting out

(46:52):
in transition. But um my numberthree, Polo bank Caro man, like
I said, I got scared,I didn't drop him too far on my
board. You know, versatile scorecan hurt you many ways, whether it's
from the post, off lobs,cut into the basket, midrange, can
shoot it from the outside. Hecan grab a rebound and push the ball.
Something I love about Chet. Polocan do it. He's a complete
package when it comes to scoring.He's a solid passer, he's a good

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ball handler for his size. Hepossesses great footwork. There is a lot
to love about Polo offensively. Defensively, he's not very good. He needs
a lot of work. And I'mnot saying he can't play defense, because
he definitely showed those flashes at Duke, but there are just those moments where
you know, he just seems sodisinterested on the defensive side, and I

(47:36):
don't want that from one of myguys, and personally, I really don't
like the fit. I know Kaidekind of gave him like the nod or
the recommendation that he loved playing withPolo. I just see Polo as a
guy that He's a guy that Ithink will bolt from Detroit as soon as
he can. I don't think he'sgonna love playing alongside Kaide because the Pistons

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are very much Kaide's team. They'renot gonna be Polo's team. They are
Kade's team. Paulo has to learnto play without the ball. He has
to learn to relocate and move withoutthe ball to get his shots, and
right now, that's not something Isee in his game. Take a guess
at where I have him. I'mgonna say five or six. Look,
Wow, where do you have him? I have him at seven? Wow?

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Why do you have at seven?I am not a big fan of
Paulo. Okay, So we dida single prospect deep dive. This is
one of the three guys that wedid prior to the lottery, and it's
because he is a consensus top threeguy. I just don't have him that
high. But this again goes tothe fit and it's almost exactly what you
mentioned. It's two things. Oneof them is is what you said is

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fit with Kade far from ideal becausePaulo is a guy who needs the ball
in his hands, and Kade isalso a guy who needs and deserves to
have the ball in his hands.So Paulo is you know, the six
ten seven ft wingspan, two hundredand fifty pounds. He's his power forward,
and he's dynamic. He's very talented. He does a lot of things.

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And this draft is again it's fullof guys who have this fatal flaw
and Paulo is no exception. Butfor most teams picking high, his flaws
won't matter. I think the biggestappeal with Paulo is the passing and the
creation that he is that he shows. And Bunco he was actually a point
guard in high school and yeah,prior to his time at Duke and he

(49:27):
had his big growth spirit and powerforward became his more natural position. His
combination of his vision and his frameit makes him maybe the most dynamic player
in this draft. You know,he shows this excellent footwork and there's upside
as a three level scorer, upsideemphasis on upside, and he uses like
the strength, and it's all thesethings, like the beginnings of so many
things. But it falls off forme because of two things. One is

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the fit with the pistons, andthe other thing is that he's just not
quite good enough at all of thesethings to warrant heavy usage. He's not
a great shooter from three. Heimproved to finish the year, but he
was a streaky thirty three point eightpercent. I don't buy his three point
shot being you know, above averageor average headed into the league. He

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likes to isolate on drives. Again, he likes to have the ball in
his hands, and he likes toisolate on drives, and oftentimes you'll see
him take it inside and he's thisbig, strong dude, but a lot
of times he'll get stopped and he'lltake a turnaround step back, and I
hate that shot. It's mid rangeturnaround step back, and just I,
just I who can make that work? Like Kevin Duranton, who else?

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You know? Paul is certainly notthat guy. And I don't think he's
a good athlete like he's like youwill watch his highlights and he's good in
transition, but in the half court, he is not a low threat,
and he's making more usage of footworkand spins to get to the rim rather
than burst and hops. I don'tlike that at the four he needs to
have the ball in his hands toreally be effective, and I don't have
a lot of faith that he's goingto be able to create well enough or

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be efficient enough to deserve that kindof useage. That's why, like,
I just cringe when I see peoplecomparing him to like Blake Griffin or Chris
Webber or I'm or even Julius Randall. I'm like, I don't see that
from any of these guys. Isee more of like a Carlos Boozer or
a David West. You know,fine players, multiple time All Stars.
Between the two of them, youknow they you know they can help a

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team win, but they lack thatthat that's something else that takes you over
the top. And that's funny becauseeven in my notes, I wrote down,
Polo's just not elite at anything,Like he's just good at a lot
of things. Like I think he'sgonna be solid. I think he's gonna
be a good player in the NBA. I just people, they have superstar
written all over them already. Ijust don't see it from Polo. I

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do have him at number three becausehe is a talented basketball player. Do
not get me wrong. I thinkhe might be the safest pick out of
in this draft, to be honest, Like I mean, because you know,
like he's just he's just good ateverything, Like he's not gonna hurt
you too much. But I justdon't really love to fit for the Pistons.
But I had him high on myboard, right. Yeah, these
issues that we're talking about, they'reexacerbated when you put him on the Pistons

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because the Pistons have Kid Cunningham.You don't want Paulo as your role man
because I don't think he's going tofinish place often enough. You don't want
him spacing on the perimeter because unlessPaulo changes this narrative, Paulo's man is
going to sag off and help ondrives. We don't want that. It's
gonna make life harder for Kade.You definitely don't want Paulo to take the
ball out of Kate Cunningham's hands.I'm not a fan of this guy in

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Detroit, and I have him hereon my board like I have him on
my board in general, despite allthis, because of what you said,
he has this dynamic scoring upside Like, if it does come together, he
could be great. I just don'thave a ton of faith that it does
come together. So I have himhere on my board, but barely.
Like if you're a team like that'sjust getting started with your rebuild and you

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just lack everything, Yeah, takethe upside swing on Polo. But the
Pistons, the one thing that wedo have is a creator that we trust,
you know, and that's Kad cunninghim. So if you already had
that, why do you want aguy who's functionally going to take the ball
out of Kade's hands? If youwant him to be effective. That's why

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I have him low here. Ithink specifically for the Pistons, Paulo should
not be a guy that we take. Yeah, I would argue differently if
we if the Pistons had drafted aguy like Jalen Green, I'd be like,
Okay, yeah, no, thisis a guy that's, you know,
very good at getting his own shot. But he needs someone else to
create something for him, and that'ssomething Polo could, I think, could
step in and help him do.But again with ka, Kade is the

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creator, you know, like heis the guy you want, Like you're
saying he is the guy you wantto have the ball in your hands,
not Polo. So Polo is he'sthe guy on my board that I just
like you, I just don't lovethe fit and you know, I mean
again, I do have him atnumber three because there is definitely there's definitely
talent there and certain you know,and I think if the Pistons did draft

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that number three, they would bethey would probably taking Polo just because the
talent is there, and they wouldjust say, these guys will be able
to figure it out. You know, we might be losing something with Polo,
but there's so much more he bringsto the table that we think they
could make it work. And that'sI hope that doesn't happen. Let me
just say that if the Pistons dotake him, you hope that Paulo brings

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enough dynamic upside that he compensates forwhatever you know, issues there are with
fit Um. I think it's difficult. It might take some time to balance
it out, but it's not impossible. And I think the Pistons like given
the articles and the insider info fromsome of the beat writers. They seem
high on him, so it certainlycould happen. Personally, I'm not a

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big fan of it, but hey, I've been wrong before. I think
this is this is the closest tolast year when we did this and you
said you were a big fan ofScotty Barnes and I was like, no,
no, gosh, no, thisif this, if that's if that
situation is going to repeat, It'sgonna be here. Paul's gonna come in
win Rookie of the Year, andI'm gonna be the jerk who's like,

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no, this guy's terrible, dude, the Scottie Barnes. I love that
you like to bring that up.I appreciate that, by the way.
That is so oh man, I'llnever forget. Yeah. I definitely trusted
my gut on Scottie Barnes for sure. Oh I respect that, man.
Well, I appreciate it, man. So we can move on to number
four. I think it's no guessyou know from you. I got Jade

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and Ivy at number four, andlike I said, I can't say enough
about him. I really do lovehis game and I do love his fit.
People can disagree, but I definitelysee something there with Jade and Ivy
working with Kaide, but absolutely wecan move on to number five. I'll
let you go, who do youhave at number five? My next guy
on my board would be Ben mathinsix seven wing with a six nine wingspan.

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And Ben is another plus athlete whowe're going back to the archetypes like.
He projects as his athletic three indiewing if everything shakes out nicely,
hair under thirty seven percent on threesfor the year strong perimeter player. He
showed a nice three point stroke witha variety of three point attempts like catching
shoe off the dribble. I'm abig fan of versatility, especially the kind

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that he shows here. He projectsas a lower usage guy who can just
catch and shoot, but he iscapable of creating his own shot a bit,
and I think his combination of agood first step and solid three point
shooting means that he's going to gethonest closeouts from the defense and that's going
to open up opportunities to drive.And that's great because Ben can throw it
down. He's an athletic player,and the name of the game here is

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you want guys who can leave theopponent with no good options. If you
give them space to prevent the drive, he can get the shot up and
you're happy with it. If youclothes out hard, he should be able
to recognize and drive in on youand you're happy with that too. I
have Ben mather And on my boarder, but I'm actually I actually have him
at number seven. But I lovethat you put him at number five,
because when I was taking when Iwas making this board, I was like,

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do I put Ben Mafre at numberfive? But I'll explain why I
have my guy at number five,But yeah, I love I love Ben
matherin man like spot up shooter.I think his freshman year at ARIZONI shot
like forty one forty two percent fromthree went down because he was asked to
do a little bit more. Buthe showed a flash of being able to
with the ability to shoot off thedribble. He's speedy with the ball.

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He's a fun pastor. I'm notsaying he's that. I think he lacks
that secondary playmaking ability that I wantto see paired with Gaide, But you
know, he tries like he seesthings on the floor and he will make
an effort to make those passes.He loves to get out in transition.
I think that's a big thing.And he's showing flashes on defense. Man.
I read a scattering report where theywere talking about Ben Mathern how he

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almost has like defensive back instincts wherehe can intercept the ball and he can
play those passing lanes. I lovehow they said that about Ben Mathern because
he does. He has quick feet, quick cans. The things I'm concerned
about. He's a little inconsistent ondefense. He has a hard time fighting
over ball screens, he doesn't havegreat footwork when it comes to close out,
and like I already mentioned before,not the secondary playmaker I want with

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Kaide, and he lacks a littlebit of a scoring touch around the rim,
but everything else he does. Ilove with Ben Mathern, and I
wish I put him higher up onmy board, but I would not be
disappointed at all. He kind ofreminds me a little bit of like James
book Knight from last year, whereI'm like, man, if you get
James buck Knight paired with Kade,that would be like a matchmate in heaven.
And I think they have a secondchance at that with Ben mathin right

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yeah, I have. We're overtalking ourselves. Sorry about that. No,
I was just gonna say, Imean I have been fourth on my
board. Actually because he's a naturalfit. Exactly what he said. He's
perceived as a guy with he isn'tperceived rather as a guy with super high
upside because he isn't the most dynamic, which you know, ties right into

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what you said. He doesn't looklike a guy who's going to be super
capable on ball in most cases,but we don't need him to be.
We have Kade, kid should bethe guy taking the ball to the load,
and having spaces like Ben around himare exactly what we need to make
sure that. Again, Kade isn'tgetting mobbed by defenders who are comfortable leaving
their defensive assignment and leaving their manunguarded on the perimeter. That shouldn't happen

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with Ben. So just by beinga point shooting presence, that should help
Kate. Like that's the name ofthe game for me from now on,
you know, like it makes thingsas easy for Kate as possible. I
love what you've been saying this wholetime about having a guy who can be
that secondary ball handler. I've beencalling. I've been using that and relief

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ball handler interchangeably, just because Ifeel like that's functionally what we really need.
Like ideally, yeah, if kidcould just handle the ball all the
time, that'd be great, Butif you're that predictable, they're gonna put
a lot of attention on him.So you need to be more dynamic,
have more options than that. Thefit with the Pistons, it's this complimentary
role where he's facing the floor andcapable of being a strong drive and kick

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kick guy. He needs to beable to make use of that winkspan and
the athleticism to be another link inthe strong in a strong defense, which
I mean you mentioned that he hadsome lapses, but hopefully the culture and
the coaching staff are enough to gethim to make use of the physical tools
that he has. He needs tomake use of that winkspan. And I
just really liked him for a while. You know, the midway through the

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college season, there was this debateon whether Ben or Johnny Davis where was
the better player, And I justI shuddered at the idea of Davis when
that was happening. I'm not abig fan of him. I'm not a
big fan of Johnny Davis at all. Either. I love Ben Matherin though
man he oh man, he's anotherone of those guys. He kind of
reminds me of Charis Lavert. Ifhe can be like a healthy Karis Lavert

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and have like those borderline All Starseasons, it's a win for me.
I don't and with this draft,I don't care if the Pistons draft another
All Star, you know what I'msaying, Like, it just doesn't bother
me. I just want a guythat's going to be consistent and being able
to help this team win and helpmake life easier for a kid. And
I see that in Ben Mathern,Like I love his game and wouldn't That's
why I was saying on a podcast, I'm not I wouldn't be disappointed if

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the Pistons don't get a top threepick. Like. That's why it doesn't
bother me so much, because there'sso many of these other guys that fit
with what the Pistons are trying todo that are talented players, but they
just don't have that name recognition likea Polo, a Jabari or a Chat.
But Ben Mathn, I love himand I love that you put him
at number five. I have ashade and Sharp at number five and my

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board. Yeah, he's like weboth know forty nine invertical leap above the
rim leaperman like he above the rimplayer, I should say quick. He's
a quick leaper. He's a greatathlete, can finish at the rim.
He has a variety of different waysthat he can finish at the room without
dunking, Like his layup package isdeep. This dude is. He's good
at the rim. But and fromwhat else I've seen, he looks like

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a solid shooter. We didn't getto see him play a Kentucky, so
we don't have a ton to goon. We don't know how he'll We
don't know how he plays against ahigher level of competition because we really just
have high school tape with him.Defensively falls out of position a lot,
but he definitely shows enough where thathe could make a commitment on that end,
and that is something that I've seenfrom him. Ideally, I love

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Shalen Sharp Shaden Sharp because he's actuallya couple of years away from contributing,
and that kind of fits what thePistons are with the timeline, with what
the Pistons are doing. If draftShading Sharp, that means the Pistons,
I believe, are probably gonna headtowards another tank the next season, you
know, to try to get oneof those players. But um, yeah,
I want to be upset if theydrafted Shading Sharp. You know,

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I mean, very talented guy,but again just a couple of years away
from contributing on this team. Yeah, I don't have stats and real film
to reference, and I hate that. But the story of Shaden is it's
this five minute compilation of just prepschool stuff and the YBL tape showing off
like low gravity bounce, you know, smooth shooting stroke, like a soft

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release, and promising shooting numbers.He made a bunch of threes in high
school, which I really like,and he just has especially when you have
the athleticism to just drive past guys, I really like it when you still
take threes. Like there are somany guys who they have the genetics just
blow past anybody, and then theyget to the league and they can't shoot
the Stanley Johnson think if, okay, if Weaver takes Shaden higher than this,

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I'll be very happy. You know, Shaden is this wild card and
I love his archetype for the athleticthree point shooter, super smooth game,
and his story in general is justso weird, and to have him this
high up, it feels like I'mjust getting caught in a hype trap,
and I try to avoid those.But Shaden is the scary athletic card in
terms of Burt burst in fluidity.I'm very excited to see if he gets

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a real sprumage run at the combine. He's going to be there. I
think it was reported that he willbe doing a pro day with his agency,
and I want to see if thisclaim of this four foot vertical is
actually real. I think the higheston record is Jordan at forty eight,
so if Shaden actually breaks that record, I don't see why he doesn't have

(01:03:45):
at least the tools to go higherthan fifth or six. I think,
let's see here, Shaden, Ihave him at five. I'm just so
down to take the swing on thisguy. He's clearly gotten great feed from
NBA teens because it was just announcedthat he's going to be doing this agency
pro day exhibition, which means he'sprobably forgone his college eligibility, and that's

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after not playing a single minute ofcollege ball. Once again, he's projected
by sites like ESPN at six.Sambastini of The Athletic has him at seven.
It's if he is what he's rumoredto be. He is this dynamic
score who can throw it down orspace the floor and more scoring is exactly
what the Pistons needed. He isone of those guys that when I watch
him and now that we're talking abouthim, and I think I'm falling into

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the hype as well. He's oneof these guys that I think could easily
end up finding himself in the topthree because people are just gonna especially if
he does that pro day, They'regonna fall in love with the athletic ability
and they're going to overlook what everybodyelse brings to the table because there's just
that mystery of shade and sharp thatI mean, if he has a good
product, can easily see him climbingup the draft boards. I really could.

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But I have him solidly at numberfive, and a lot of it
is ba on potential, but alot of it's also based on that,
you know, he's a player youcan take your time with, you know,
like especially with the young, theyoung Pistons team where they're not going
to be playing for anything for thenext two years, you can take your
time with Shaden Sharp and let himcome along slowly. So that is also
why I have him at number five, right. I try to not get

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caught up in the height because likethere are supreme athletes that you see who
I mean in an empty gym.You know, anybody can look not anybody,
but these NBA prospects, like theylook really good. Like he could
just be another Derek Jones junior,and you don't want to take that guy
with a top pick. But ifyou take like an an for any Simon's
type, like this is another guywho skipped college. He didn't play in

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college. He just went from highschool trained on his own and then ends
up being really really good in theNBA. But he was taking a pick
twenty five. It's not the samesituation. Shaden is just this wild swing.
So yeah, I don't know what'sgoing to happen here. Like I'm
really happy that he's sticking with theTrap and makes his class so much more
interesting if the Pistons take him.I trust Weaver. Like Weaver, we

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know he's the guy who is goingto put in the work and you know,
get as much data as possible.We know he's been watching a lot
of the guys that he's been scoutingsince they were like one or two years
away from graduating high school. Youknow, we know that he's going to
get the maximum amount of data thathe can. Unfortunately, guys like us,
we just don't have access to that. I hope that he'll he'll show

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out in his workouts and he's interestingenough because I just really like the idea
of drafting this guy. I'm tryingto keep my hype down. That's not
usually who I am, But Imean, I mean, like you think
about the fit with Detroit, Likeif he is mostly what he's projected to
be, he's this dynamic athletic score. I mean you could literally see lobs

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from kid to Shaden, Like,this guy has that kind of vert and
fluidity. This draft doesn't have alot of top tier talent, so I'm
just willing to roll the dice.Yeah, he kind of the only My
biggest fear is that he's like anotherHomi Dudiello where the SHOT's not really there,
but that like the crazy athletic abilityis and he's gonna be able to

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play ten years in the NBA becauseof that ability that he has. But
that's my biggest fear for Shading,like he might be like I said,
Chat probably has the highest ceiling Shadeand Chart might actually have the highest ceiling
of anybody, just because there's thatmystery of him and we just don't know
because there's not enough. There's justnot enough on him. So but I
do like Shade and Chart, man, I really do, and I hope

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it does work out for him.But I'll tell you I almost put him
at three, like when I wasmaking this board and I was like,
chill out, man, all right, we'll put him a little lower.
It's funny that you say that,because I actually thought about moving him up
on my board and dropping Jade andIvy a few spots. I wasn't gonna
put him at three, but Iwas gonna put him. I'm like,
so I put him at four,Like I mean, that makes sense,
Like that's it depends on the threeball, like that's the swing scale.

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And it's it's funny that you're sayinglike he is a real home run,
like he's a real swing for thefence pick. Because I definitely feel that
about Shade and Sharp, just becauseagain of that mystery of him. But
um, let's move on to numbersix. I will know you just actually
said number six Shade and Sharp,So number six for me Keegan Murray,
you know not Again, He's oneof these guys where like if it had

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been if they didn't have Sadiq Bayand Jeremy Grant, I think it'd be
a lot higher on Keegan Murray.This is like something I was talking about
at the beginning of the podcast,like draft redundancy, where you're drafting a
guy that's similar to guys that havealready worked out on your team. And
my biggest fear when they draft KeganMurray is where do you play him?
Does he play with Jeremy Granks?We don't know because he's still on the
team. Can he fit with SadiqBay, Like you're just almost creating a

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log jam at the forward position.That's something I don't want. But a
couple of things love about Keegan Murray. He's a versatile defender, man ability
to guard some wings and some bigs. He's a strong scorer, can score
in a variety of ways, whetherit's coming off screens, attacking, the
rim. He can hurt guys withhis step back cutting to the basket.
One thing that I love about playersif they can relocate around the perimeter to

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find their shot, because I thinkthat is a skill for guys that even
though they don't have the ball intheir hands, they're still creating a shot
for themselves by relocating. That's whySteph is so great, and that's something
that Kegan Murray can do. Hecan relocate without the ball. Also plays
with a ton of IQ. Nota great athlete though, needs to learn
to finish over length and he's stilla little streaky as the shooter. But

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Keegan Murray, man, let mehear your thoughts on him. Yeah,
not in your top side, Ithink, no, No, he's the
guy that I have next, sothat I think that kind of rounds out
our order. Yeah, because mylast guys Paulo, and we've we've already
talked about him. But yeah,Kegan Murray Okay, six eight forward out
of Iowa, six eleven winks,span two hundred and fifteen pounds. Just

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to kind of paint the picture ofwhat he is like, you said,
very good score, versatile for sure, He's very well suited for the college
game with his speed and his size, sixty two percent on two's, forty
percent on threes. And then youmentioned that the athleticism, So I like
to think of it as a veryspecific type of athleticism. And this is
going to tie into what you saidabout, you know, redundancy, So

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Keegan, you need to clarify thetype of athleticism that he has right off
the bat. So I think it'sit's Sadiq bay esque, Like he plays
this strong, like Diesel strong,if that makes sense, Like like physicality
wise, in college, he wasmaking use of a combination of functional strength
and footwork to bulldoze his way tothe rim. And when you have that,

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like this is a guy who canplay at the forward or small ball
five, it's genuinely impressive watching himtake guys to the rim. You have
to have faith that he's going toyou just you have faith that he's going
to finish with strength. And that'sgenuinely impress him. But I have concerns
about how that translates to the NBA. And then there's his three ball and
solid shot it on decent volume.All that projects to him being a good

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four in the league. He hasthe size he has the versatility and a
variety of shots. I just thinkhe's a little bit limited in terms of
burst and that's going to hurt hisadvantage creation, which limits his upside significantly.
He showed a lot of ability intransition, but in the half court,
I think he's gonna struggle to bemore than just a strong role player,
you know, like high floor,questionable ceiling. And again, this

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is going from college athleticism to NBAathleticism, so he's gonna have to work
around it instead of working with it. Those are some gray points, and
I'm glad you brought that up andmade you know the kind of the comparison
to Sidike Bay, because when Iwatch Kegan Murray, that's that's very much
who I see, you know,I see Cidy Bay, where side Bay
is a fine player. Don't getme wrong, I'm not showing any hate

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towards Sidike Bay. I just thinkhe's very limited and a lot of Pistons
fans overlook that. And but asI won't get into that, but Kegan
Marie is it very much the samemold. And that's why again, like
if they didn't have Jeremy Grant orsideke Bay I would love to pick if
Kegan Murray, but they have SadekBay and they have Jeremy Grant. Then
they have Isaiah Livers, who,you know, even though it's only nineteen

(01:11:59):
games, he looked pretty solid inthose nineteen games, you know. So
it's almost like it's just too muchof these. And I'm excluding Jeremy Grant,
but you almost have too much ofthese Swiss army knife, lack of
burst, not very athletic forwards onthe team, and I just don't know
how you win with too many ofthose guys. And that's why Kegan Murray's
a little lower on my board.I know that James Edwards really loves him,

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but the organization reportedly really loves him. I think strange man. Yeah,
no, well I thought it wasstrange. Was well. This happened
a couple of years ago with PatrickWilliams, where it was like it's rumored
that the Pistons like somebody and thenthey shoot up draft boards, and I
think it happened again. I havehim six on my board because I can
definitely see him, you know,his inside and outside game coming together to

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give him decent staying power in theleague. I think if it shakes out.
He can be a starter on agood team, maybe starting forward the
future, with the ability to flexout to the five when the situation calls
for it. And yeah, Ijust think that the overlap with him and
sadik Um, I don't even Idon't want to call it over that.
And for the record, I'm operatingunder the assumption that Jeremy Grant has gone

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the summer. I think it's gonnaget traded. But I just feel like
two Sadiq Bays or two Kegan whateveryou want to call it. Two fundamentally
stylen but not very athletic forwards.It kind of limits your ceiling, Like
we really need athleticism, Like athleticismis very very important in the NBA,

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and I feel like if you fillyour a lineup with too many guys who
are not athletic, you are seriouslyin him like limiting your ceiling. I
think two Like when you what yourhope, what you want from Sadiq Bay
is what you're getting from Kegan Murray, Like you want that offensive repertoire,
you want that, you know,that versatility that Kegan Murray brings. You

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want that from Sadiq Bay, Butwe already have Sadiq Bay and he's kind
of learning those things. Like ifwe didn't have Sadiq Bay, I would
be all in on Kegan Murder eventhough he is twenty two years old,
which that doesn't really bow him toomuch, but it also kind of shows
you that that ceiling would be alittle lower based on age. But yeah,
I agree with you man, it'sjust too much redundancy if you draft

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Kegan Murray. And I I'm reallysurprised that the Pistons have they love him
so much, so, you know, but Matthew mentioned the age because maybe
I'm reaching here, but I thinkthis is part of a reason why the
Pistons are so high on Keegan Murray. It's not because he's older, but
Keegan he's absolutely worked hard to bewhere he is. You know, he's

(01:14:31):
recognized now as a top college playerin prospect and he had one D one
offer coming out of high school.And we know that Weaver loves guys who
are willing to put in the work, Like we talk about this a lot
on our show and just probably mostshows in general, Like we recognize that
Weaver is very much a guy whois high on character, Like he's got
that famous line you draft the person, not the player, and I think

(01:14:53):
that his idea, his own draftphilosophy, is that if you draft guys
who are willing to put in thework, they are much more likely to
pan and the guys who have thetalent but won't work hard. You know,
if you if he went to highschool in the mid two thousands,
you've probably seen like the girls Walleyeballteam with that hoodie that says hard work
beats talent when talent doesn't work hard, that thing that's that's Stroy Weaver.

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Yeah, no, one hundred percent. I'm glad you brought that up,
that part of him working hard,because I think that's another part of his
game that's underrated. And that's somethingthat I love about Kegan Murder Like he
does work hard. He worked hardto get into this position. But again
when it comes down to fit andneed, I just don't see it with
the Pistons because they already have thatguy in Sadiq Bay, you know,
I mean, and it just likeyou were also saying, like a lack

(01:15:39):
of athleticism of lack at birds thatit really does limit your ceiling as a
team, and you know, Imean, it sucks for it sucks for
Kegan Murray. You know, Iwould love him if the other guys weren't
there. But I think there's areally good chance that he's on the Pistons.
Like I think the fit with thePistons is really simple. I mean,
he's a good three point shooter andthat's always appreciated. You should have
upside as an interior driver and ascore with strength. I do have worries

(01:16:00):
about taking another guy who l actuallyelite athleticism and sealing it forward and pairing
that with Sadiq, But otherwise I'dreally like the lineup of the future to
have, you know, capable playerswho can space the floor. But at
the same time, I'd really likethe lineup of the future to have multiple
lab threats, and power Forward shouldideally be one of those spots where that's
fielded. So that's kind of whereI have my hesitations. No, that

(01:16:25):
makes sense, No, it definitelymakes sense. But also it would be
kind of weird for them to rollout a lineup of like Kade We'll just
say Corey Joseph because he started theircity, bay Keegan Marion, and Isaiah
Steward. Like, there's no length, there's not a lot of births.
There's not a lot of athletic ability. You're going to be playing at like
a weird pace, and I justdon't think that would work in the NBA.

(01:16:45):
Yeah, awesome, man, Wellthat completes our draft coverage. Man,
Like, I know I could talkto you. I mean, I'm
sure we could go through all thirtyteams, oh, like all three picks
if we really wanted to. Ilove talking to you about this stuff.
I appreciate you coming on. I'mgonna have to end it. We've been
talking for about an hour. Guys, don't forget to follow me on Twitter
Atlan's cap Rose Tommy. Where canthey follow you? Yeah? Our podcast

(01:17:08):
is called to the Basket or yeah, driving to the Basket. Our Twitter
is to the Basket Pod. Welove interacting with people on there. We
myself and my co host Mike.We just did three individual prospect episodes.
They're all about an hour long.So if you want more of a deep
dive on Jabari Smith, Check Holmgrenor Paula bun Carol, those are there

(01:17:31):
people really seem to like and weget a lot of good feedback on those,
and we very much appreciate that.If the Pistons do fall in the
lottery, we'll cover more guys,but otherwise we're probably just gonna be talking
about how the top guys look.And fun fact, my co host is
so good at this stuff that heactually predicted last year that the Pistons would
get the number one pick. Hepredicted it in an episode prior to the

(01:17:54):
lottery, so he knows what he'stalking about. Wow, that's amazing.
That is incredible. I um,wow, Yeah, that's that's awesome.
That really is um. Guys,thank you for listening to the Draft Talk
episode. Subscribe to the Everything Pistonspodcast, drop rating, leave a review,
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