May 31, 2022 • 51 mins
Lance Caporossi and Andrew Clements sit down and talk about Cade Cunningham, Isaiah Stewart, Killian Hayes, and Isaiah Livers sitting courtside at the Boston vs. Miami playoff series. We share our thoughts on Cade Cunningham's interview with Slam, and we predict when Dwane Casey will be replaced.
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(00:06):
Welcome to the Everything Pistons Podcast,where we only talk about the Detroit Pistons.
I'm Lance cap Rosy. Follow meon Twitter at Lance cap Rosy.
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Now here's my co host. I'mAndrew Clements, creator of the Everything
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Pistons Podcast, on Twitter at ePistons Pod, and always email this show
directly at e Pistons Pod at gmaildot com. And if you guys want
to know where in the world thatbeard popped up on Cade, you're gonna
have to follow me across all socialmedia. Did not think you were going
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to use the beard one this week? It's it's not a bad beard from
Kade Cunningham. I mean, Imean it would better not be with that
bank account. That's like when NBAplayers have bad tattoos, Man, You're
like, come on, dog,well a lot of them get that before
they get to the NBA. Youknow a lot of those bats. Yeah,
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yeah, we should rank some ofthe worst Pistons tattoos sometimes we have
to do a lot of research forthat. We drew or josh on it,
and you know they can. We'llrank all the terrible tattoos that Pistons
players. Fat. But back toKade's beard, stile, scraggly, but
it's grown in, could be linedup a little, tapered in a little
more. But you know, itlooks good, looks good. I like
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the new look. You think hekeeps it all season? I mean I
have It's just a yes, it'sjust a yes. Yeah, right do
I think? I mean I maybemaybe he does. Maybe this is year
two Kade, the you know,grown up, mature, more mature than
he already was version of Kade.This is I don't mind it. I
like it. The beard is isevolution into maturity as a basketball player.
(02:01):
Right. I hope we have somethinglike you know how we have headband Sadiq,
we have like beard. We havebeard kid non beard kid that we
can quit where the two one.Yeah, I'm just saying he might perform
better with the beard than if hetakes it off. You never know,
you can have some comparison there,like Rip with the mask. Yes,
Rip was always the Greatest with themask. Well, let's get into this.
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Kai Conyeham, Isaiah Stewart, KillingHayes, and Isaiah Livers attended Game
four of the Boston Celtics Miami Heatseries. Dwayne Casey was also in attendance.
Someone on Twitter posted a photo ofIsaiah Thomas sitting with Mark Aguire at
a Boston Celtics game I believe innineteen eighty seven. Do you think the
guys were trying to duplicate that photo? I don't necessarily think that. I
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think it was more of an outingbetween teammates and an outing at an event
that they will hope to one daybe playing in and to soak up that
at sphere. You know, youhad coach there sitting next to the starboy
Kade sitting next to like you justran them off, Isaiah sadek and Isaiah
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Livers. So I think it wasmore of just a team building soaked in
the atmosphere. This is Eastern Conferencebasketball. This is what it looks like.
You better get ready for this realquick. I'm gonna call you out
because I know I always question whetheryou paid attention to me when I was
talking, But apparently now I knowthe answer, I said killing Hayes and
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not Sadeke bed Well was it kilOkay, Yeah, it was kil Anyways,
I think there is something too youngguys like, I don't know,
I'm just kind of having fun withthis. I really don't think these guys
went out of their way to duplicatea photo. But we've seen it over
the years with different athletes, likeyou had Baker Mayfield trying to duplicate the
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Brett Farve draft photo. So Idon't think it's out of the realm of
possibility that these guys were like,that's a cool photo of trying to do
the same thing. But I dothink it was more of them trying to
watch and learn from those two teamsin the Eastern Conference Finals. But what
team do you think they were watchingand learning from? Was it Boston or
Miami? I think it was Miami. I think you can draw a lot
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of similar things to the way Miamiplays and the way the two thousand and
four team Detroit Pistons team played andhaving you know, a superstar that's not
a superstar in Jimmy Butler, andthe way that that Miami Heat team plays
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on the defensive end is everything youwant in your team. So I think
that that was the focus for theguys. You know, I would I'm
gonna disagree with you, but IA'm gonna make a point about Miami because
I was thinking it could be Miamibecause I believe, and I might be
getting this wrong. Someone can definitelyfact check me and let me know.
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But I thought Dwayne Casey had saidhe wants the Pistons to play more like
the Miami Heat offensively, where alot of motion, a lot of cutting,
you know, moving the ball around. I thought he had said that
maybe last offseason, before the seasonbegan. I think he said something too
about Jeremy Grant potentially playing some fivein some lineups. I don't I don't
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remember. I thought that's the waythe conversation went, so I would at
one point I would have definitely agreedwith you that it was Miami, but
I think it might have been theBoston Celtics. A couple of episodes ago,
we talked about the comparison that wasmade by a Reddit user who compared
to Isaiah Stewart to Al Horford,and you and I had disagreed with him.
We didn't see the comparison. Maybewe were wrong. Maybe Dwayne Casey
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was there and you know, pointthings out to Isaiah's Steward and saying,
this is how I want you toplay. I want you to play similar
to Al Horford plays on offense.You know, he can't do everything Al
Horford does. They're gonna ask Isaiah'sStewart to shoot more threes and try to
spread the floor and then getting himwhy having him watch Al Horford and how
he plays with another big man likeRobert Williams, and that makes me think
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that the Pistons are going all inon Mitchell Robinson this offseason because mitth Robinson's
kind of comparable to Robert to robWilliams aka time Lord. So maybe that's
where it was there for me.But then also, you know, it
could have been pointing out to Kade, like look out, Jason Tatum and
Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart all operatetogether. You have some similarities between Kaide
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sadek and Killing and Marcus Smart,Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown. So I
think I don't. I think theywere there more watching both the Boston Celtics.
That's what I'll say. Like thatjust right now with the personnel on
the team. It makes it seemslike that would be the route that they
would go. It makes more sense'sit was a really probably one of the
better series, definitely one of thebetter series in the last two rounds you
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know of basketball. And it wasyou know, a really heavily defensively minded
team in Miami going up against moreof an offensive minded team in Boston.
So I think it was just areal good series for the young guys to
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soak in because in Detroit, we'renot gonna get a Jason Tatum, you
know, unless we draft him,we're not gonna get. I mean,
maybe we could get a Jimmy Butler, but that level of of superstar.
Maybe Kaide can turn into that statureof a player for us, but it's
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gonna have to be built through thedraft and built through defense first. If
this team is gonna ever want tocompete, well, I mean, you
know, Boston the best defensive teamin basketball, so well yeah, I
mean you're talking about the top fourteams. Me saying Miami is defensive minded
isn't saying that Boston is bad ora sloucher, not the best defensive team.
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But if you look at I thinkMiami really prides themselves more and focuses
more on the defensive That now,whether those players on Miami can come to
fruition of what that focus on thedefensive end is, that's here nor there.
But I got cha, Yeah,I understand, and I think,
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I mean, we could be wayoff base. I mean talking about like
who they were watching. They verywell could have just been trying to bring
it taken a basketball game and getyou for the playoff atmosphere. But I
do think that there was more toit than just them attending a game.
I think they were watching a specificteam. Maybe they're watching both and trying
to take things from both teams.But you know, I mean I just
see the makeup of this team andI look at the Boston Celtics, and
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I think that's a real possibility forthis for the Detroit Pistons, because again,
you had that Boston Celtics team beingbuilt through the draft. They've played
together for years and now they've reachedthe pinnacle, which is the NBA Finals.
So maybe Dwayne Case he was gettingthem talking to them about that,
like, look how these guys playedtogether. They've been together for years.
This is something that I want tosee you guys doing next season, so
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who knows? All right? Ournext segment is Headlines. With headlines,
we bring you news, stories,updates on the team a quarter or two,
we'll share thoughts if we have any, and then we'll move on.
There have been a few changes toPistons front office. George David is now
associate jam Rob Murphy, Tony Leetti, and Josh Barrelstein have been named assistant
jams. According to James Edward theThird, the Josh Barrelstein move is interesting
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because he's the son of Mark Barlestein, the CEO of Priority Sports. Keegan
Murray is represented by Priority Sports.Now this can mean nothing, but at
the same time, this could beanKegan Murray's at Detroy Pistons. If the
Pistons draft Keegan Murray, I willforever think something was up. I do
have a hard time believing Troy Weaverwould draft a player because one of his
assistant's dad is the CEO of amajor sports agency. But stranger things have
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happened. Are you buying this conspiracytheory that the Pistons are drafting Keegan Murray
because of Josh Barrelstein and his dadbeing the EO of Priority Sports, and
what's he in in the Pistons heis now an assistant GM. Yeah,
no, I'm I'm selling that.I don't think I think, uh well,
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I mean I've already said who Ithink we're gonna take, and I
hope it's Ivy, But um,Keegan Murray isn't isn't definitely low on my
board. Um, but no,I don't think we draft him just for
the simple fact that an assistant GMis his father. Now, if they
did draft Kegan Murray after hearing thatJosh Barlestein's dad, Mark Barlestein is the
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CEO of Priority Sports, would youlose like a little trust in Troy Weaver.
No, I mean they're'd always definitelybe that that wonder, especially if
Jade nives on the board, ifShaden Sharp's on the or shade On Sharp
is on the board. Definitely,But I mean there there's definitely some mock
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drafts out there that that have Keganahead of shade On Sharp. Oh yeah,
of course Ivy's gone and we takeKegan Murray. I think that Kegan
Murray is my although haven't done aton of draft research. Right now,
he's second on my board over Sharp. So basically what you're saying is if
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the Pistons draft Keekan Murray over Jadeand Ivy, you would be more inclined
to believe this conspiracy theory. Yeah, I think so, I'd do some
sniffing around, But I mean eventhen I would kind of maybe always feel
like we might have missed out onsomebody, and you know, wonder what
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happened there? True? True,true, that that's fair as well.
All right, The Detroit Pistons areheaded to Paris. The Pistons will play
the Chicago Bulls on January nineteenth,twenty twenty three, at the Acquard Arena.
This comes from the Detroit Pistons Twitteraccount. This feels like the Pistons
are all in on killing Hayes.Do you think the Pistons are all in
on killing Hayes playing a game inFrance? Do you think they want to
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make him a big piece of thisteam. I mean, I think he'll
definitely get some time. I don'tthink I would assume that the NBA tells
you you're you're playing in France insteadof you asking too, So I don't
know if they like set it upfor for Killy. And you know why
don't we go out and sign Sakufor attend A and let him play in
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France too, you know, Soyeah, I don't. I don't think
it's necessarily set up. I think, you know, remember back to when
the teams would play in like MexicoCity and stuff like that. So yeah,
I think it was just more ofthe lottery and the team the Pistons
just happened to have a French player. Yeah, but I wonder if the
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Pistons could have declined it though.I wonder if that's an option when they're
setting up the schedule, like,yeah, we just don't feel like play
in France. I mean, whenyou have a player from France in Killy
and Hayes, it would make alot of sense for the team to want
to play over there or the NBAbecause he's gonna bring, he's gonna put
you know, is fill up seatsexactly. So grow your brand overseas by
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having a guy from that from thatcountry boom. I mean, regardless if
we play in France, Lithuania,Africa or Mexico. I mean, I
still hope the Pistons think highly ofKillian and have him pegged as an integral
piece because only after a few years. You know that that man has a
lot of growth and a lot oftools under his belt to be a really
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good player in this league. Soum, yeah, I hope, I
hope the Pistons are all in beforeFrance. So do you you already brought
his name up, But do youthink Saco will attend the game? No?
Probably not. What if he doesand he's overweight, I mean,
then I'd know it'd be like thebreakup and then you you see your old
girlfriend with an uglier dude, andyou're like, yeah, dude, if
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we're good, if he if heis attending the game, if they pan
and they zoom, if they zoomin on him and he's attending the game,
you have to get a Saco dumboyetoo. I wonder if he'll have
like a you know how overseas sportingevents like football. Anytime the NFL goes
overseas, they have problems with laserpointers. You think Saku's just sitting there
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pegging Dwayne Casey and and the Pistonsbench with a laser pointer in the stands.
You have to get a tattoo.You have to get a big forty
five tattoos somewhere on your arm,left or right arm, doesn't matter,
has to be shown and has tosay them boyer on it. You have
to get a sac if he's atthe game, you have to get that.
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That is our bet, all right. So kay Cunningham was on the
cover of Slam magazine. He becomesthe fourth Piston to be featured on the
cover. He joins Jerry Stackhouse,Chauncey Bipson, Grant Hill. I looked
this up and I saw Ben Wallaceon the cover as well. So I
don't know, maybe there were fivePistons on there, but I know that
someone had tweeted out that there werefour Jerry Stackhouse, Chauncy Grant and now
Kaye. But what is your favoriteSlam cover feature? The pistons um the
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one with Darko on it? Yeah, that one. That one surprised me
a little bit, and that wasactually kind of funny at Chauncey, rip
Ben and Darko and Darco looked menacine. It was before the blonde hair and
the ear rings cover, before heplayed, before he played, he looked
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like he was gonna be a realpiece, and they were really trying to
feature him as one of the nextguys up for the Detroit Pistons. That
is so funny when you look backon some of those covers. Personally,
my favorite is the Jerry Stackhouse one. He was my favorite Piston before he
was traded for Rip Hamilton. Thenit became Ben Wallace. But yeah,
the Jerry Stackhouse one is awesome.I think that is It's like just definitely
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in your face. He's hopping throughit. Like. The Jerry Stackhouse cover
is my favorite. The Kaith Cunninghamone though, was real smooth though,
I'll give him that. That jackethe was wearing, I could never pull
it off myself, but Katethunha wasYeah, he looked really looked real smooth
on that cover. I noticed somethingthough. They were saying something about the
Quiet Storm is coming or whatever onthe cover. Do you think that's Kate
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Kinningham's new nickname, the Quiet Storm? I hope not. You don't like
that. I kind of sounds likea superhero. It's uh, I mean
I like I like Motorcade Man.Yeah like that? Yeah, you I
feel like you really can't chant eitherone of them those at a game,
Like are you really going to bein an arena and be like motor Kade.
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That just sounds corny, but motorKate, motor Kade, Yeah,
so VP, Yeah so VP.So did buff I'm gonna keep going talking
over here, k Kade. Buffinghamsounded great too as well. Buffingham Buffing
and that was a good one.But I don't know. Quiet Storm that
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kind of seems like it could bea nickname, and I hope it sticks
because I just think it sounds likea superhero And if anytime he's at the
free throw line, I get tosee all of the little seas arena just
going, you know, quieted downfor the storm that's about to come in
the form of free throws. Kaidcunning him man, quiet Storm. Was
Luca Garza a successful draft pick?That's all this topic posted on read It
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thought it'd be fun to discussed onthe podcast. I personally was a realist
when it came to Luca Garza.I did poke fun at some other fans
and their expectations and even joined inon a little bit. I was right
about him starting more games than KellyOlinnik, but the writing was on the
wall that what he could do incollege would not translate to the NBA.
So I'm just gonna ask you,was Luca Gars a successful draft pick?
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Absolutely he was, and I thinkhe was because he is everything we expected
him to be coming out of college. Look, we knew coming out of
college this dude was slow on defense, too slow to play at a high
NBA level, and that was somethingthat he was going to have to work
on. And what did he showduring the season being subpar on defense?
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But he also showed during the seasonthat he was able to hit the shot
and get you a bucket from timeto time. And this was his first,
you know, real season. SoI mean, I'm not gonna say
I'm saying he was a successful pickfor the simple fact that I am not
going to say he was not asuccessful pick this early in his career.
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Is he gonna be a rotational piecenext year or a starter? Definitely not
a starter, Maybe maybe a rotationalpiece. But what he is is insurance
if you have an injury that youcan put in a guy and you are
not gonna lose an ounce of hustleor heart or motivation going to him and
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bringing him off the bench doesn't matter. If he didn't play for the last
ten games or he started last game, You're still gonna get that. Luca
guards a muscle and a guy thatgives you that for your team. You
can never call him a bust orunsuccessful draft pick. I don't think you
could ever call the person drafted fiftysecond a bust anyway. But that might
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have been the most That might havebeen a take right there where you just
turned everything negative almost into a positive, and I really just think it canceled
itself out. I don't think LucaGarza was as was a successful draft pick.
I think if you're looking at LukaGarza and you're like, well,
he's a cheerleader on the team,he's he's a motivator, he's gonna work
hard in practice, that's that's allfine, But like I don't understand how
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that makes him a successful pick,Like I just a successful pick to me
is it means they played out theirdraft position Like that's that is what I
think is successful pick. Is youwouldn't go back into that draft and say,
you know, I'm gonna draft Lucahigher. It wouldn't like you would
almost not you would. You'd bebetter off not even drafting him. Like
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I know there's a lot of LucaGuards of fans. I know you have
a jersey of Luca Carza, andbut I just don't see how, in
any realm, how he's a successfulpick. I kind of thought there might
be a role for Luca where itwas matchup dependent, where if he was
the Pistons were playing against the DenverNuggets or the Philadelphia seventy six ers or
some other big man that you knowis more of a classic big man.
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Luca Garza just doesn't feel a roleon this team. And I just I'm
not gonna call it a successful I'mnot gonna call it a wasted pick.
I just think he was a neutralpick. There's only one player drafted in
the fifties that I would put aheadof Luca Garza, and that's b J.
Boston. Yeah. I mean,I'm not saying you don't have to
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go back and look at who youwould take right now. I'm not.
I'm not doing that, But Imean I'm looking at this, out of
the fifty second pick, Luca Garzamay have the brightest future out of the
fifties besides maybe a BJ Boston.Yeah, but I don't even really know
how much he did out in Memphis. Yeah. I mean again, though,
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but it's just la. I meanagain, I just don't think that,
you know, he was very successful. I just I thought it was.
It was a fun moment. Itwas fun to hear the chance of
Pistons fans wanting Luka Garza to jointhe floor. But I think that's as
far as it goes. I don'tsee a role from on this team.
But do you see a role forLuca Garza on this team next season?
I mean absolutely, And I thinkit's for for everything I just said,
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first and foremost, you're not goingto cut a guy on a rookie contract.
Second, you're you know what you'regetting with with Luca Garza. Yeah,
you're gonna give up a little bitof defensive ability, but you're gonna
get that intensity on the court,and you're gonna get that guy that's going
to dive after after the loose balls. So you gotta you got a real
motor guy. Remember back to backto Anthony Tolliver and both his stints with
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the Pistons. He I mean,if we're being a realist, dude wasn't
a All Star great, No,he did, he did, but he
also has a thousand years in theNBA. Over Luca Garza so let's let's
give Luca some time. But AnthonyTolliver what was loved because the Tolliver effected
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the Tolliver effect two point zero.When he would come into the game,
you would just get a burst ofenergy. And that's infectious to one through
five. If you gotta want ifyou got some guy that's you know,
a dog out there, he's flyingaround, other guys are gonna start flying
around and that's really valuable. AndI'm you know, mentioning a lot of
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these things about Luca Garza's games thatare you know, kind of tangibles that
aren't blocking shots or putting the ballthrough through the hoop, because he does
need to show that side, right. I mean, I'm not saying he's
even that. I'm saying a guyas he's a guy that that needs to
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sharpen his skill set before he getsreal NBA time. But if I'm looking
at it like he's a better prospectthan say Ko Dumboya was, and we
gave Saku three years, how longwas that dude on this team? I
mean, I'm not ready to pullthe plug out Luca Garza by any means.
They're gonna give more time to afifteenth overall pick than there are the
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fifty second. If Luca Garza isback next year, I just want to
see. I just want to seewhat he can do offensively, Like that's
his bread and butter. Like puthim in some situations where he's setting screens,
where he's getting down low, wherehe can use some of that footwork
and some of those posts moves againstanother big He did have a twenty ten
game against Philadelphia. It was withoutJoel Embiid. He's picking on Paul Reid.
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If you can have a twenty tengame in the NBA, there's something
there. I just don't think there'sa role for Luca Garza. I think
he'll be out of the league ina couple of years. He might have
he'll play, He'll probably play nextyear for Detroit sparingly, probably have another
shot with another team, and thenI'll probably be about it. You know
what I'm saying. I don't knowwhat Luca Garza has to do. It's
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just to become a you know,a role player in this league and have
a long career, because that moundfor him is just too high to climb.
You know, if if the Pistonswere to get Rid of Luca Garza,
you would miss the after every bucketpanning the Pistons bench in Luca Garza
just losing his mind. Yeah,but there are plenty of guys in the
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NBA that can do that, thathave more. None of them look as
close to an Easter Island head asLuca Garza does. So that's why he's
saying on the team, are youas tired as me of waiting for the
NBA Draft? I love Pistons fans, don't get me wrong. I love
the community that we're a part of. But every day it's the same thing.
Who do you want to draft?Would you trade Jeremy Grant? What
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if the Pistons went this direction inthe draft? I understand we all talk
about this, but it's getting soexhausting. I cannot wait for the NBA
Draft to come, just to silenceall of these takes. Are you as
tired as me waiting for the NBADraft? Well, first and foremost,
I mean I think Jeremy Grant toPortland for the seven is a real possibility.
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But I digress. Yeah, forsure, because it's everything that you
say, and then I'm already tiredof of after the draft, this guy
was still on the board. Weshould have went this way. Oh my
god, we're trash, terrible povertyfranchise. I'm already tired of that for
not picking who you guys wanted.Unless we don't go with Jay n Ivy
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and he's still on the board,then I'll join you guys. But other
than that, yeah, man,it's it's it's a hard long off season,
especially uh for like Detroit, becausewe've been so long. We had
the one playoff visit verse Milwaukee,you know, and other than that,
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it's it's been so long, soit becomes redundant because the draft and then
free agency and then Summer League andthen preseason. That's that's all we talk
about every year, you know.It's it's the same thing. It's never
playoff basketball, It's never did yousee what Kay did in Game two last
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night? Like and we hope it'swoman, But it's it's the same talk
every day every year of our existence. Welcome to Detroit fandom. I really
cannot wait until the Pistons are draftedin like the high twenties or in the
thirties, last pick of the firstround. I can't wait for those days.
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Like there's only so many times Ican say I want the Pistons to
draft Jade and Ivy. I canonly say it so many ways. This
is Pistons offseason. We're not acontender, We're not gonna We're probably not
really gonna compete for the playoffs nexthere, so we're gonna have another offseason
of this talk. But it justlike I'm not even telling Pistons fans to
be quiet about it, like doyour thing, just do your things.
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But just for me personally, Ijust get so tired of having the same
conversation. Well, and I thinkI like the way I approach the draft
because I sit here and look atwhy am I gonna learn twenty guys you
know coming out of college and doall this draft analysis when the Pistons are
only gonna pick once. So Iwait for the pick to come in and
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I look at players that that shouldbe available around that pick. So my
draft talk really started when we gotthe pick, and I'm already a little
sick of it. I can't imaginewhat it would be like for like,
you know, think of like Tommy. We've had him on multiple times.
Tommy from from driving to the basket, like dude's already got his twenty twenty
three and twenty twenty four board done. Like that's that's insane, Like he
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lives for this stuff and he lovesit, and just me, I just
don't. So my my draft coveragereally just started a few weeks ago,
and I'm already like checking my watch, when when's that draft? What time
is it? What? Come on? See? For me, the best
time to do the draft talk islike before the pick has been announced.
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I love going through the scenarios onethrough seven, like we did this past
offseason and like the year before.That is so much more fun for me
because I just think of all thepossibilities, like you try to project,
you see how every guy fits withwhat the Pistons are trying to build,
and that to me is a lotof fun. I wish those posts and
those tweets would just be automatically deletedby their social media like you have tweeted
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too much about this topic. Weare done. Think of something else to
talk about. But again, Ilove Pistons fans. I love the community.
It's fun to be a part ofit. So you know, I
mean, if this is what it, if this would I have to go
through this offseason and the next offseason. Then fine, so be it.
Like you know, as long asI'm a part of it, that's all
that matters. So let's let's nottalk about the same thing anymore. How
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many years until we're talking about playoffbasketball? From from now? From this?
Two years? Two years? Ithink so too. I think say
two years, we'll be talking aboutnot next year and not the year after,
but the next year. Yeah,I'm saying this year, they're not
going to be competing for the playoffs. They'll be competing for another top five,
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top ten pick. That's what I'llsay. Don't see that many changes
coming to Detroit where they're gonna makea huge jump. I want to talk
about Emi Aduko, Yeah, so, so it is. He was basically
just talking about being a first yearhead coach and what he went through and
talking about the teams that passed onhim and U he had originally interviewed with
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with four teams UH and he finishedsecond out of three of those teams on
their their list of coaches and finishedfirst obviously for Boston and he's coaching Boston,
but the Detroit Pistons were mentioned asU interested in Emi Adoka and I
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don't know, man, It justI wonder what this team would have looked
like with with him at the helm, But I don't really too. I
got two points. I don't reallythink he would have done more than what
Duane Casey has done with this team. And the second thing I have is
I think the team did the rightthing in hiring a coach of the year,
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a coach that has had some successin the NBA to handle a rebuild
versus a first year coach. Youremember back before the season when everybody was
clamoring that Chauncey Billups wanted a headcoaching job, and Pistons fans were like,
oh my god, it would beperfect, and I was just like,
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you know, we're in a reallyreally delicate spot right now. You
know, we're the caterpillar in thecocoon right now, and if something comes
in and pushes us off or pushesus off course, it's going to set
us back five to seven years.So we really need a coach that has
been here, that has built ateam up. And you know, we
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took a chance on a newer GMthat looks like it has been a brilliant
move, but you just kind ofwant arians in the role right now.
Yeah, it would be hard foremia duco to do like to try.
I mean, I don't know ifPistons fans would expect him to duplicate the
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success he had with Boston, absolutely, But you're right, I wonder how
the team would have looked, Like, I mean, would they have bought
in to what a Duku was tryingto do? Like defensively would they have
been better defensively under him? ButI think that's the importance of Dwayne Casey
is, you know, he's nothere for a long time, but he's
here to establish a foundation. He'shere to you know, put a culture
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in place with these guys for thenext coach. He's basically grooming this team
for another coach to come down theline and take them over the top.
And like, because I don't knowif every young new NBA coach that wants
to come in wants to start witha rebuilding team. And that's the again
bringing it bringing it back to ChaunceyBillups, That's what I'm worried about him
in Portland, Like, he hasa roster good enough to compete, but
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not really good enough to do anything. So he's gonna be fired in a
few years if if the team doesn'tdo anything special, and it's gonna be
no fault of his own and allfaults of the roster he inherited. But
he will be looked at saying ifif my vision comes true, he will
be looked at as a as abad coach because he's a new coach coming
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into not the greatest situation and notthe greatest team and couldn't do anything with
it. You know, a duco. I hope I'm saying his name right.
I really do. UM, butI he came into a really good
situation, and really you can tellthat the players for Boston really enjoy playing
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for him. I remember just afew years ago when it leaked that Blake
Griffin was looking to before he cameto Detroit. He was he was looking
at Boston. I realized he cameby trade, but he could have made
his way to Boston after UM anda unreported Celtics players that do not come
here. It is terrible. There'sdysfunction in the locker room, and I
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think he's really cleaned it up.I mean, you're not taking a team
in your first year to the finalswith a broken locker room and a disconnect
between player and coach. So Ithink he's a good coach. I think
he's gonna be a good coach inthe NBA for a while. And Boston
has their guy, But I stillwould sit with Dwayne Casey over any first
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year guy. Boston really bought intowhat Duco was doing, and right,
you know, I mean obviously theybought in there in the NBA finals.
I would rather the Pistons build thatfoundation, build that culture, put everything
in place, and then a coupleof seasons down the line, bringing a
young, innovative coach that's gonna takethem over the top, and that's gonna
be put in place to succeed ratherthan struggles. So I don't blame the
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Pistons. Passing over to Duco wasn'tthe right spot form right now. And
I'm on the other spectrum of Duwayneand Casey. I really think like he's
gonna be a seven to ten yearhead coach here. Yeah, I don't
know, I really, I mean, what three years and he got he
signed in an extension? Um,I believe so. Um, But I
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really do think Dwayne Casey is gonnabe here for for a while. I
mean, we just saw a twentywins a season, a poor season last
year, um, and nobody inthe Pistons front office, even when Pistons
Twitter is clamoring for Dwayne Casey's headbecause you have unrealistic expectations, we hear
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Tom gorsay, we're sticking it outwith this guy. I mean, look
how long stan Van Gundy was hereand he was hated across a Pistons social
media. I don't think Dwayne Caseyis here just to build something and pass
it on. I think he's hereto build something and see if he can
take it into into fruition. Imean, this guy is still Coach of
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the year. Dwayne Casey built,you know, Toronto, And so I
really think Dwayne Casey is is goingto be a seven to ten year head
coach here. He's been here forfour seasons already. This will be a
fifth season. So yeah, maybeseven years is the marker for Dwayne Casey.
I mean, you know, he'sbeen through it all here and even
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so now hearing that, I mean, okay, I now think he's going
to be a ten to twelve yearI think two more seasons is not going
to be it for for Dwayne Casey. I think this team is not going
to look to compete next year.So you can't judge a coach taking a
team that all his goal is thisseason is to get better. His goal
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isn't the playoffs. His goal isn'ta play in team or a play in
spot. His goal is to getthe team better, and then you see
what you do next year. Andif you were to fire him off of
one year, off of okay,now we're really trying to to succeed,
I think that would be absolutely assinineand not a good look for the Pistons.
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So I could up my answer andgo ten to twelve years. Yeah,
ten to twelve might be too much. I would say like seven to
eight. I would say seven yearsseems to be the thing, because you
got to think about it. FromTroy Weaver's perspective, is if he is
satisfied with the roster in two yearsand he thinks that they can make a
playoff push in two years with theroster he has built, Dwayne Casey doesn't
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get it done, they will definitelybe looking at a new head coach to
be bringing in. I still don'tthink so. I don't have to disagree
with you I have to and that'sfine, but I just I it's hard
for me. I would be reallydisappointed in Troy Weaver if he was to
flip the switch and go, thisis the year, this is the year
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we go for a playoff spot andthe Pistons missed the playoffs and then fired
Dwayne Casey. Well, he hastechnically said that though, like he said,
three years this team should be competing, and that was that was a
sideque Bay and Isaiah Stewart. TheCad draft and then the upcomp that this
draft are all moving parts though.I mean you could say say what you
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want, but you really don't knowwhat you have until you get on the
court. You know, he hasa plan in place, this is what
he expects and if the guy isn'tmatching those expectations, he'll be out.
And I mean, like, yeah, it kind of stinks for Dwayne Casey,
but that's the business of basketball.When you're you have such the teams
have such a short window to getto the championship level and ultimately win that
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trophy, so that you want tohave all the pieces in place. You
don't have ten years to see ifa guy can get it done. Like
I mean, obviously you're gonna givehim, well, you're gonna give him
a little wiggle room now because theroster was so bad and had to be
overhauled that bringing in a new coachjust when it makes sense because you want
some continuity within your organization, andthat's what Dwyne Casey brings you. If
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this team is ready to compete intwo years and he doesn't get it done,
yeah he's out the door, likethat's a very hot So should the
heat have fired Eric's Bowl stro whenhe had lebron and in all them in
South Beach and didn't win it hisfirst year? Should Brooklyn fire Steve Nash
because he didn't get it done thisyear? I mean, one year of
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going for the playoffs and coming upshort is not cause for firing because not
only are you firing the coach,all the personnel, unless retained by the
next coach, goes with him.So when you talk about firing a coach,
you're talking about a complete overhaul ofthe team. The team's offense is
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not gonna be ran the same,the defensive sets are not gonna be the
same. Though, the work thatthis new coach is not going to be
the same that he wants Sadiq Bayto do that. Sidik Bay has been
working on since he got in theNBA because he was given to it by
Dwayne Casey. Everything is gonna isgonna change. So are you really going
to say, yeah, we wecame up short one year after we started
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to try. Let's blow it upand bring someone new and change offensive,
defensive scheme, change everything, youknow. And I really don't see that.
That's why. So you said he'sbeen here for yeah going on five
years. I really think he hasat the very least four maybe three seasons
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left the head coach of the Pistons. It will be a different person at
the Helm in two to three years. Like I just don't I just don't
see ten years out of Duenn Caseyfor Detroit Pistons. I need a a
big old heart, a big oldheart tattooed on you with the initials d
C in the middle of it whenhe brings a championship to Detroit. Maybe
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if he brings a championship to duitto Detroit, I will get a realistic
piece of Duenn Casey tattooed on myback. Which piece whole? Now,
I'm telling you right now it willbe Dwayne Casey holding a championship trophy smoking
a cigar. I don't even knowif he smokes cigars, but that will
be the tattoo, that is ifhe if he leads the Detroit Pistons to
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championship, I will get that tattooedon my back, and that will before
before we commit to any more tattooson our body, we might want to
get out of here. I gotone more thing to bring up, and
it's a quote from Kade in theSlam cover the Slam magazine that he was
in. He says, the biggestthing I learned is that the league,
the media, nobody will care untilyou're winning. I have to win games
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if I want people to respect myname, and if not, I can't
be mad at people now watching enoughgames and how I really play. That
comes from Kade Cunningham. I sawsomeone on Twitter say that that was that's
him being selfish. I don't Idon't know how you read that and think
that that he's being selfish. Ithink you read that and you see nothing
matters to this guy other than winning. You know, like you know how
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you that is selfish? Because whenthat that Twitter user tucks himself in and
lays his head on his palo atnight, he goes, damn, I
wish kid cutting him was on myteam. And we call them haters.
So that that's all that is.That's that's pure hate. That's all that
is. That man has done nothingselfish since entering the league. I mean,
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some of his his replies and talkingto the media almost sounds rehearsed.
It's so good at times, likeit's almost like he had the question and
answer before it was asked, becausehe always says the right thing. He
has never said or done anything sofar in Detroit to make you think that
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that he is a selfish player.And I love the quote man, as
a basketball player, winning is theonly stat that matters at the at the
end of your career. That's that'sit. And I would rather have the
franchise player talking about how winning mattersto him more than anything than him being
upset that he didn't win Rookie ofthe Year for some other individual award like
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or less. We've heard We've heardfrom others. I'm a bucket. Yeah,
okay, cool, dude, youalso are a lottery team yeah,
and like yeah, and that's whatI'm saying, like, I'd rather have
him talking about winning and how itmatters more than anything else. That is
so true to his nature. Andhe also goes on to say that he
heard the haters. So I'm gonnaask you, did you lose faith in
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Kate Cunningham after a slow start?Absolutely not. No, I mean the
best thing about this podcast is iswe got receipts you could go back and
listen. Absolutely not. I mean, and I know you didn't either.
We were we were both sitting herefighting the good fight against these idiots calling
Kada bus Pistons fans or not.If you ever once called Kade Cunningham a
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bust after a slow start, you'rean idiot, the simple. The only
time I ever doubted Kade was there'sthat Summer League where he was getting blocked
at the room where I'm like,oh my god, dude, to figure
that, I remember you bringing thatup. Yeah, I was. That
was something that where I didn't losefaith him as the number one pick,
but I knew that it would bemore difficult for him, like you got
it and he did figure it out. The other part was it was I
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actually went to his debut at LittleCaesar's Arena. I was there for that
game. I believe he had twopoints in his out in and it was
in the first quarter where the gamelooked like it was too fast for him,
and that's when I that was whenthat for a second I had doubted
whether he was the first pick ornot, where I was like, man,
this dude, there was so muchhype coming in. He I know,
it's his first game, but itlooks like the speed might be too
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much. He looks unsure of himself. And then in the second quarter,
the lights came on for Kate andhe figured it out. He looked much
faster, He looked like he wasprocessing the game a little differently. He
was getting to his spots like therewas just an immediate change from that first
quarter to that second quarter, andall the doubt that I had in my
mind about him being the first pickone out the window where I'm like,
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you know, even though he's onlyhe's only put up two points and a
couple of assists and a couple ofrebounds, is just that you saw the
lights come on for Kate Cunningham,And that's when I knew, you know
what they Detroit the right guy.This guy's gonna figure it out and he's
gonna put together a spectacular rookie season. That was that was my thought process.
But in that first quarter, yeah, there was a part of me
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that just thought, damn, don'tget me wrong. Looking watching Katee is
his first few weeks in the league, not even games, just first few
weeks in the in the league.I was definitely disappointed. And you're kind
of like, you're you know,you hear all the hype and you you
watch the videos since the it wasannounced Ben Wallace holding up that number one
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Detroit Pistons got the number one pick. We were watching Katee highlights since that
moment, knowing that this man isgonna be a Detroit Piston and look what
he did in college. Look howhe's so masterful with the ball. I
would be, you know, aliar to say I wasn't like taking back,
like, man, you know thisis this sucks. You know Cade
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Cade two points, Kade six points, Kade shooting one for seven, you
know the field for a little while. Yeah, like and you're like,
when when are we going to getto see it? When are we going
to get to see it? Butthere was never a part of me that
said, we're not going to getto see it. He doesn't have it,
he's a bust. You know.There was never that part of me.
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There was the you know, justwaiting and hoping that he can put
it together and Okay, here's ahere's another game. Hopefully we get to
see Kade do something to night.Oh nope, another game where he didn't
do anything. But you know,this is a rookie coming in with with
super high expectations, coming in withnot even just a slow start. I
think the part about the slow startthat gets forgotten all the time his dude
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was injured. Yep, dude cameinto the league in his his NBA season
having in nursing an injury, likeand you know, how long did it
take for him to really get started? A few weeks generally, what's the
time to come back from an injuryand the NBA, Oh well, reevaluate
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in a couple of weeks. Ohhe'll he's day to day for a few
weeks. You know. So hewas probably working through some stuff and yeah
he had a slow start. Yeahit was disappointing. But if your faith
or you know, ur I don'tknow the other word, if your faith
and Kate Cunningham ever wavered and youthought he was the wrong pick. That's
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crazy and it's funny because, likewe talk about kate slow start, and
you look back, it's, yeah, the first game two points, second
game six points, third game eighteenseventeen, twenty nine, ten, twenty
five, sixteen, nineteen thirteen,then a six and nine game. I
mean, it wasn't even really thatbad of a start, you know.
I mean the shooting numbers were down, but I mean like the scoring was
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still there, and the rebounds werestill there, and the assists were still
there, and you started to seea player figured it out. So yeah,
even with the slow start, Ijust I don't even really know.
I mean, that really doesn't seemlike that bad of a slow start,
especially an injury. And imagine ifhe was getting foul calls on top of
that, Because Kate Cunningham didn't juststart to get fouled at the end of
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the year. Kate Cunningham started todraw way, way, way, way
more attention towards the middle and endof the year. But Kade wasn't scared
coming into the NBA to drive onpeople. Kate wasn't scared to go in
the paint as as a rookie,he's doing all the same stuff. So
imagine if that first k game,Kade comes in and his first two points
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come off of free throws and thosebutterflies go away. Okay, I scored
in the NBA, the greatest leaguein the world. I did it.
Imagine what kind of game he couldhave had, you know. So all
these things are are real factors.And going into Kid Cuttingham's slow start.
Yeah, in his first day games, he had five games without a free
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throw. Tim So there's one morepart of the quote that I want to
bring up. He talks about howeverybody dreams of scoring thirty five points in
their NBA debut. Why thirty five? What is the what is the special
number about thirty five? Are youasking me? Yeah? Clue, Yeah,
I mean, like why not sayfifty? I don't understand thirty five?
Like why is that the benchmark forrookies? Does ever? I mean,
like, does every rookie think aboutthirty five points? I mean someone
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in him say is that a stat? Though I have someone rookie stat I
have no idea I have, Well, you know what, let me look
this up. Maybe that was hiscareer high. Thirty four was his career
high. He did it twice.Yeah, so maybe that's why I said
thirty five. But I don't know. I just saw the number thirty five
when I was reading that interview,and I just saw what a random number
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to stop on, Like, Ijust don't understand why not fifty fifty would
be like the ultimate as a rookie. So so so speaking of Kaid's career
high at at thirty four, andwe're talking about why not fifty points?
And we had a fifty point gamefrom from a Piston, Sadique bay So
this year the battle between sadiqu andKade Cunningham, who has the highest career
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high out of the two? Well, not career high, but I guess
just the season high. The seasonhigh. Um, he can hurt you
in a variety of ways. ButSadi can catch fire at any moment,
right he can. He can dropfifty on you like it was nothing.
Yeah, because we've seen that andwe're we're speaking facts on that. Um.
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If I had to say, now, who would have a who would
have a seat the higher season highnext year, I'm gonna bet on Sadiq
bay Um. But again, Kaycan hurt you a variety of voice.
He's not just a three. Yeah, he can hurt you from all three
levels. So absolutely not. AndI would say I would say to Sadique
Bay edges out for me for thesimple fact that he does not draw as
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much attention as a Kade cunning him. Well. Also, you know,
Kaide's the type that would probably belike, look if if we win the
game and I get ten points,but Sadiq Bay went off. Okay,
you can easily see a game likethat happening where Kade tries to feed the
hot hand and very well could beSadik Bay. So I would bet on
Sadi Bay having a U higher seasonhigh next year than Kid Cunningham. Good.
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I don't think we've seen the lastof fifty burgers Sadiq. But that
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to use the beard one this week? It's it's not a bad beard from
Kade Cunningham. I mean, Imean it would better not be with that
bank account. That's like when NBAplayers have bad tattoos, Man, You're
like, come on, dog,well a lot of them get that before
they get to the NBA. Youknow a lot of those bats. Yeah,
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yeah, we should rank some ofthe worst Pistons tattoos sometimes we have
to do a lot of research forthat. We drew or josh on it,
and you know they can. We'llrank all the terrible tattoos that Pistons
players. Fat. But back toKade's beard, stile, scraggly, but
it's grown in, could be linedup a little, tapered in a little
more. But you know, itlooks good, looks good. I like
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the new look. You think hekeeps it all season? I mean I
have It's just a yes, it'sjust a yes. Yeah, right do
I think? I mean I maybemaybe he does. Maybe this is year
two Kade, the you know,grown up, mature, more mature than
he already was version of Kade.This is I don't mind it. I
like it. The beard is isevolution into maturity as a basketball player.
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Right. I hope we have somethinglike you know how we have headband Sadiq,
we have like beard. We havebeard kid non beard kid that we
can quit where the two one.Yeah, I'm just saying he might perform
better with the beard than if hetakes it off. You never know,
you can have some comparison there,like Rip with the mask. Yes,
Rip was always the Greatest with themask. Well, let's get into this.
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Kai Conyeham, Isaiah Stewart, KillingHayes, and Isaiah Livers attended Game
four of the Boston Celtics Miami Heatseries. Dwayne Casey was also in attendance.
Someone on Twitter posted a photo ofIsaiah Thomas sitting with Mark Aguire at
a Boston Celtics game I believe innineteen eighty seven. Do you think the
guys were trying to duplicate that photo? I don't necessarily think that. I
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think it was more of an outingbetween teammates and an outing at an event
that they will hope to one daybe playing in and to soak up that
at sphere. You know, youhad coach there sitting next to the starboy
Kade sitting next to like you justran them off, Isaiah sadek and Isaiah
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Livers. So I think it wasmore of just a team building soaked in
the atmosphere. This is Eastern Conferencebasketball. This is what it looks like.
You better get ready for this realquick. I'm gonna call you out
because I know I always question whetheryou paid attention to me when I was
talking, But apparently now I knowthe answer, I said killing Hayes and
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not Sadeke bed Well was it kilOkay, Yeah, it was kil Anyways,
I think there is something too youngguys like, I don't know,
I'm just kind of having fun withthis. I really don't think these guys
went out of their way to duplicatea photo. But we've seen it over
the years with different athletes, likeyou had Baker Mayfield trying to duplicate the
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Brett Farve draft photo. So Idon't think it's out of the realm of
possibility that these guys were like,that's a cool photo of trying to do
the same thing. But I dothink it was more of them trying to
watch and learn from those two teamsin the Eastern Conference Finals. But what
team do you think they were watchingand learning from? Was it Boston or
Miami? I think it was Miami. I think you can draw a lot
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of similar things to the way Miamiplays and the way the two thousand and
four team Detroit Pistons team played andhaving you know, a superstar that's not
a superstar in Jimmy Butler, andthe way that that Miami Heat team plays
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on the defensive end is everything youwant in your team. So I think
that that was the focus for theguys. You know, I would I'm
gonna disagree with you, but IA'm gonna make a point about Miami because
I was thinking it could be Miamibecause I believe, and I might be
getting this wrong. Someone can definitelyfact check me and let me know.
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But I thought Dwayne Casey had saidhe wants the Pistons to play more like
the Miami Heat offensively, where alot of motion, a lot of cutting,
you know, moving the ball around. I thought he had said that
maybe last offseason, before the seasonbegan. I think he said something too
about Jeremy Grant potentially playing some fivein some lineups. I don't I don't
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remember. I thought that's the waythe conversation went, so I would at
one point I would have definitely agreedwith you that it was Miami, but
I think it might have been theBoston Celtics. A couple of episodes ago,
we talked about the comparison that wasmade by a Reddit user who compared
to Isaiah Stewart to Al Horford,and you and I had disagreed with him.
We didn't see the comparison. Maybewe were wrong. Maybe Dwayne Casey
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was there and you know, pointthings out to Isaiah's Steward and saying,
this is how I want you toplay. I want you to play similar
to Al Horford plays on offense.You know, he can't do everything Al
Horford does. They're gonna ask Isaiah'sStewart to shoot more threes and try to
spread the floor and then getting himwhy having him watch Al Horford and how
he plays with another big man likeRobert Williams, and that makes me think
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that the Pistons are going all inon Mitchell Robinson this offseason because mitth Robinson's
kind of comparable to Robert to robWilliams aka time Lord. So maybe that's
where it was there for me.But then also, you know, it
could have been pointing out to Kade, like look out, Jason Tatum and
Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart all operatetogether. You have some similarities between Kaide
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sadek and Killing and Marcus Smart,Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown. So I
think I don't. I think theywere there more watching both the Boston Celtics.
That's what I'll say. Like thatjust right now with the personnel on
the team. It makes it seemslike that would be the route that they
would go. It makes more sense'sit was a really probably one of the
better series, definitely one of thebetter series in the last two rounds you
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know of basketball. And it wasyou know, a really heavily defensively minded
team in Miami going up against moreof an offensive minded team in Boston.
So I think it was just areal good series for the young guys to
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soak in because in Detroit, we'renot gonna get a Jason Tatum, you
know, unless we draft him,we're not gonna get. I mean,
maybe we could get a Jimmy Butler, but that level of of superstar.
Maybe Kaide can turn into that statureof a player for us, but it's
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gonna have to be built through thedraft and built through defense first. If
this team is gonna ever want tocompete, well, I mean, you
know, Boston the best defensive teamin basketball, so well yeah, I
mean you're talking about the top fourteams. Me saying Miami is defensive minded
isn't saying that Boston is bad ora sloucher, not the best defensive team.
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But if you look at I thinkMiami really prides themselves more and focuses
more on the defensive That now,whether those players on Miami can come to
fruition of what that focus on thedefensive end is, that's here nor there.
But I got cha, Yeah,I understand, and I think,
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I mean, we could be wayoff base. I mean talking about like
who they were watching. They verywell could have just been trying to bring
it taken a basketball game and getyou for the playoff atmosphere. But I
do think that there was more toit than just them attending a game.
I think they were watching a specificteam. Maybe they're watching both and trying
to take things from both teams.But you know, I mean I just
see the makeup of this team andI look at the Boston Celtics, and
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I think that's a real possibility forthis for the Detroit Pistons, because again,
you had that Boston Celtics team beingbuilt through the draft. They've played
together for years and now they've reachedthe pinnacle, which is the NBA Finals.
So maybe Dwayne Case he was gettingthem talking to them about that,
like, look how these guys playedtogether. They've been together for years.
This is something that I want tosee you guys doing next season, so
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who knows? All right? Ournext segment is Headlines. With headlines,
we bring you news, stories,updates on the team a quarter or two,
we'll share thoughts if we have any, and then we'll move on.
There have been a few changes toPistons front office. George David is now
associate jam Rob Murphy, Tony Leetti, and Josh Barrelstein have been named assistant
jams. According to James Edward theThird, the Josh Barrelstein move is interesting
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because he's the son of Mark Barlestein, the CEO of Priority Sports. Keegan
Murray is represented by Priority Sports.Now this can mean nothing, but at
the same time, this could beanKegan Murray's at Detroy Pistons. If the
Pistons draft Keegan Murray, I willforever think something was up. I do
have a hard time believing Troy Weaverwould draft a player because one of his
assistant's dad is the CEO of amajor sports agency. But stranger things have
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happened. Are you buying this conspiracytheory that the Pistons are drafting Keegan Murray
because of Josh Barrelstein and his dadbeing the EO of Priority Sports, and
what's he in in the Pistons heis now an assistant GM. Yeah,
no, I'm I'm selling that.I don't think I think, uh well,
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I mean I've already said who Ithink we're gonna take, and I
hope it's Ivy, But um,Keegan Murray isn't isn't definitely low on my
board. Um, but no,I don't think we draft him just for
the simple fact that an assistant GMis his father. Now, if they
did draft Kegan Murray after hearing thatJosh Barlestein's dad, Mark Barlestein is the
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CEO of Priority Sports, would youlose like a little trust in Troy Weaver.
No, I mean they're'd always definitelybe that that wonder, especially if
Jade nives on the board, ifShaden Sharp's on the or shade On Sharp
is on the board. Definitely,But I mean there there's definitely some mock
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drafts out there that that have Keganahead of shade On Sharp. Oh yeah,
of course Ivy's gone and we takeKegan Murray. I think that Kegan
Murray is my although haven't done aton of draft research. Right now,
he's second on my board over Sharp. So basically what you're saying is if
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the Pistons draft Keekan Murray over Jadeand Ivy, you would be more inclined
to believe this conspiracy theory. Yeah, I think so, I'd do some
sniffing around, But I mean eventhen I would kind of maybe always feel
like we might have missed out onsomebody, and you know, wonder what
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happened there? True? True,true, that that's fair as well.
All right, The Detroit Pistons areheaded to Paris. The Pistons will play
the Chicago Bulls on January nineteenth,twenty twenty three, at the Acquard Arena.
This comes from the Detroit Pistons Twitteraccount. This feels like the Pistons
are all in on killing Hayes.Do you think the Pistons are all in
on killing Hayes playing a game inFrance? Do you think they want to
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make him a big piece of thisteam. I mean, I think he'll
definitely get some time. I don'tthink I would assume that the NBA tells
you you're you're playing in France insteadof you asking too, So I don't
know if they like set it upfor for Killy. And you know why
don't we go out and sign Sakufor attend A and let him play in
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France too, you know, Soyeah, I don't. I don't think
it's necessarily set up. I think, you know, remember back to when
the teams would play in like MexicoCity and stuff like that. So yeah,
I think it was just more ofthe lottery and the team the Pistons
just happened to have a French player. Yeah, but I wonder if the
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Pistons could have declined it though.I wonder if that's an option when they're
setting up the schedule, like,yeah, we just don't feel like play
in France. I mean, whenyou have a player from France in Killy
and Hayes, it would make alot of sense for the team to want
to play over there or the NBAbecause he's gonna bring, he's gonna put
you know, is fill up seatsexactly. So grow your brand overseas by
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having a guy from that from thatcountry boom. I mean, regardless if
we play in France, Lithuania,Africa or Mexico. I mean, I
still hope the Pistons think highly ofKillian and have him pegged as an integral
piece because only after a few years. You know that that man has a
lot of growth and a lot oftools under his belt to be a really
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good player in this league. Soum, yeah, I hope, I
hope the Pistons are all in beforeFrance. So do you you already brought
his name up, But do youthink Saco will attend the game? No?
Probably not. What if he doesand he's overweight, I mean,
then I'd know it'd be like thebreakup and then you you see your old
girlfriend with an uglier dude, andyou're like, yeah, dude, if
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we're good, if he if heis attending the game, if they pan
and they zoom, if they zoomin on him and he's attending the game,
you have to get a Saco dumboyetoo. I wonder if he'll have
like a you know how overseas sportingevents like football. Anytime the NFL goes
overseas, they have problems with laserpointers. You think Saku's just sitting there
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pegging Dwayne Casey and and the Pistonsbench with a laser pointer in the stands.
You have to get a tattoo.You have to get a big forty
five tattoos somewhere on your arm,left or right arm, doesn't matter,
has to be shown and has tosay them boyer on it. You have
to get a sac if he's atthe game, you have to get that.
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That is our bet, all right. So kay Cunningham was on the
cover of Slam magazine. He becomesthe fourth Piston to be featured on the
cover. He joins Jerry Stackhouse,Chauncey Bipson, Grant Hill. I looked
this up and I saw Ben Wallaceon the cover as well. So I
don't know, maybe there were fivePistons on there, but I know that
someone had tweeted out that there werefour Jerry Stackhouse, Chauncy Grant and now
Kaye. But what is your favoriteSlam cover feature? The pistons um the
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one with Darko on it? Yeah, that one. That one surprised me
a little bit, and that wasactually kind of funny at Chauncey, rip
Ben and Darko and Darco looked menacine. It was before the blonde hair and
the ear rings cover, before heplayed, before he played, he looked
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like he was gonna be a realpiece, and they were really trying to
feature him as one of the nextguys up for the Detroit Pistons. That
is so funny when you look backon some of those covers. Personally,
my favorite is the Jerry Stackhouse one. He was my favorite Piston before he
was traded for Rip Hamilton. Thenit became Ben Wallace. But yeah,
the Jerry Stackhouse one is awesome.I think that is It's like just definitely
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in your face. He's hopping throughit. Like. The Jerry Stackhouse cover
is my favorite. The Kaith Cunninghamone though, was real smooth though,
I'll give him that. That jackethe was wearing, I could never pull
it off myself, but Katethunha wasYeah, he looked really looked real smooth
on that cover. I noticed somethingthough. They were saying something about the
Quiet Storm is coming or whatever onthe cover. Do you think that's Kate
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Kinningham's new nickname, the Quiet Storm? I hope not. You don't like
that. I kind of sounds likea superhero. It's uh, I mean
I like I like Motorcade Man.Yeah like that? Yeah, you I
feel like you really can't chant eitherone of them those at a game,
Like are you really going to bein an arena and be like motor Kade.
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That just sounds corny, but motorKate, motor Kade, Yeah,
so VP, Yeah so VP.So did buff I'm gonna keep going talking
over here, k Kade. Buffinghamsounded great too as well. Buffingham Buffing
and that was a good one.But I don't know. Quiet Storm that
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kind of seems like it could bea nickname, and I hope it sticks
because I just think it sounds likea superhero And if anytime he's at the
free throw line, I get tosee all of the little seas arena just
going, you know, quieted downfor the storm that's about to come in
the form of free throws. Kaidcunning him man, quiet Storm. Was
Luca Garza a successful draft pick?That's all this topic posted on read It
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thought it'd be fun to discussed onthe podcast. I personally was a realist
when it came to Luca Garza.I did poke fun at some other fans
and their expectations and even joined inon a little bit. I was right
about him starting more games than KellyOlinnik, but the writing was on the
wall that what he could do incollege would not translate to the NBA.
So I'm just gonna ask you,was Luca Gars a successful draft pick?
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Absolutely he was, and I thinkhe was because he is everything we expected
him to be coming out of college. Look, we knew coming out of
college this dude was slow on defense, too slow to play at a high
NBA level, and that was somethingthat he was going to have to work
on. And what did he showduring the season being subpar on defense?
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But he also showed during the seasonthat he was able to hit the shot
and get you a bucket from timeto time. And this was his first,
you know, real season. SoI mean, I'm not gonna say
I'm saying he was a successful pickfor the simple fact that I am not
going to say he was not asuccessful pick this early in his career.
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Is he gonna be a rotational piecenext year or a starter? Definitely not
a starter, Maybe maybe a rotationalpiece. But what he is is insurance
if you have an injury that youcan put in a guy and you are
not gonna lose an ounce of hustleor heart or motivation going to him and
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bringing him off the bench doesn't matter. If he didn't play for the last
ten games or he started last game, You're still gonna get that. Luca
guards a muscle and a guy thatgives you that for your team. You
can never call him a bust orunsuccessful draft pick. I don't think you
could ever call the person drafted fiftysecond a bust anyway. But that might
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have been the most That might havebeen a take right there where you just
turned everything negative almost into a positive, and I really just think it canceled
itself out. I don't think LucaGarza was as was a successful draft pick.
I think if you're looking at LukaGarza and you're like, well,
he's a cheerleader on the team,he's he's a motivator, he's gonna work
hard in practice, that's that's allfine, But like I don't understand how
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that makes him a successful pick,Like I just a successful pick to me
is it means they played out theirdraft position Like that's that is what I
think is successful pick. Is youwouldn't go back into that draft and say,
you know, I'm gonna draft Lucahigher. It wouldn't like you would
almost not you would. You'd bebetter off not even drafting him. Like
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I know there's a lot of LucaGuards of fans. I know you have
a jersey of Luca Carza, andbut I just don't see how, in
any realm, how he's a successfulpick. I kind of thought there might
be a role for Luca where itwas matchup dependent, where if he was
the Pistons were playing against the DenverNuggets or the Philadelphia seventy six ers or
some other big man that you knowis more of a classic big man.
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Luca Garza just doesn't feel a roleon this team. And I just I'm
not gonna call it a successful I'mnot gonna call it a wasted pick.
I just think he was a neutralpick. There's only one player drafted in
the fifties that I would put aheadof Luca Garza, and that's b J.
Boston. Yeah. I mean,I'm not saying you don't have to
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go back and look at who youwould take right now. I'm not.
I'm not doing that, But Imean I'm looking at this, out of
the fifty second pick, Luca Garzamay have the brightest future out of the
fifties besides maybe a BJ Boston.Yeah, but I don't even really know
how much he did out in Memphis. Yeah. I mean again, though,
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but it's just la. I meanagain, I just don't think that,
you know, he was very successful. I just I thought it was.
It was a fun moment. Itwas fun to hear the chance of
Pistons fans wanting Luka Garza to jointhe floor. But I think that's as
far as it goes. I don'tsee a role from on this team.
But do you see a role forLuca Garza on this team next season?
I mean absolutely, And I thinkit's for for everything I just said,
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first and foremost, you're not goingto cut a guy on a rookie contract.
Second, you're you know what you'regetting with with Luca Garza. Yeah,
you're gonna give up a little bitof defensive ability, but you're gonna
get that intensity on the court,and you're gonna get that guy that's going
to dive after after the loose balls. So you gotta you got a real
motor guy. Remember back to backto Anthony Tolliver and both his stints with
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the Pistons. He I mean,if we're being a realist, dude wasn't
a All Star great, No,he did, he did, but he
also has a thousand years in theNBA. Over Luca Garza so let's let's
give Luca some time. But AnthonyTolliver what was loved because the Tolliver effected
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the Tolliver effect two point zero.When he would come into the game,
you would just get a burst ofenergy. And that's infectious to one through
five. If you gotta want ifyou got some guy that's you know,
a dog out there, he's flyingaround, other guys are gonna start flying
around and that's really valuable. AndI'm you know, mentioning a lot of
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these things about Luca Garza's games thatare you know, kind of tangibles that
aren't blocking shots or putting the ballthrough through the hoop, because he does
need to show that side, right. I mean, I'm not saying he's
even that. I'm saying a guyas he's a guy that that needs to
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sharpen his skill set before he getsreal NBA time. But if I'm looking
at it like he's a better prospectthan say Ko Dumboya was, and we
gave Saku three years, how longwas that dude on this team? I
mean, I'm not ready to pullthe plug out Luca Garza by any means.
They're gonna give more time to afifteenth overall pick than there are the
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fifty second. If Luca Garza isback next year, I just want to
see. I just want to seewhat he can do offensively, Like that's
his bread and butter. Like puthim in some situations where he's setting screens,
where he's getting down low, wherehe can use some of that footwork
and some of those posts moves againstanother big He did have a twenty ten
game against Philadelphia. It was withoutJoel Embiid. He's picking on Paul Reid.
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If you can have a twenty tengame in the NBA, there's something
there. I just don't think there'sa role for Luca Garza. I think
he'll be out of the league ina couple of years. He might have
he'll play, He'll probably play nextyear for Detroit sparingly, probably have another
shot with another team, and thenI'll probably be about it. You know
what I'm saying. I don't knowwhat Luca Garza has to do. It's
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just to become a you know,a role player in this league and have
a long career, because that moundfor him is just too high to climb.
You know, if if the Pistonswere to get Rid of Luca Garza,
you would miss the after every bucketpanning the Pistons bench in Luca Garza
just losing his mind. Yeah,but there are plenty of guys in the
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NBA that can do that, thathave more. None of them look as
close to an Easter Island head asLuca Garza does. So that's why he's
saying on the team, are youas tired as me of waiting for the
NBA Draft? I love Pistons fans, don't get me wrong. I love
the community that we're a part of. But every day it's the same thing.
Who do you want to draft?Would you trade Jeremy Grant? What
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if the Pistons went this direction inthe draft? I understand we all talk
about this, but it's getting soexhausting. I cannot wait for the NBA
Draft to come, just to silenceall of these takes. Are you as
tired as me waiting for the NBADraft? Well, first and foremost,
I mean I think Jeremy Grant toPortland for the seven is a real possibility.
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But I digress. Yeah, forsure, because it's everything that you
say, and then I'm already tiredof of after the draft, this guy
was still on the board. Weshould have went this way. Oh my
god, we're trash, terrible povertyfranchise. I'm already tired of that for
not picking who you guys wanted.Unless we don't go with Jay n Ivy
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and he's still on the board,then I'll join you guys. But other
than that, yeah, man,it's it's it's a hard long off season,
especially uh for like Detroit, becausewe've been so long. We had
the one playoff visit verse Milwaukee,you know, and other than that,
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it's it's been so long, soit becomes redundant because the draft and then
free agency and then Summer League andthen preseason. That's that's all we talk
about every year, you know.It's it's the same thing. It's never
playoff basketball, It's never did yousee what Kay did in Game two last
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night? Like and we hope it'swoman, But it's it's the same talk
every day every year of our existence. Welcome to Detroit fandom. I really
cannot wait until the Pistons are draftedin like the high twenties or in the
thirties, last pick of the firstround. I can't wait for those days.
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Like there's only so many times Ican say I want the Pistons to
draft Jade and Ivy. I canonly say it so many ways. This
is Pistons offseason. We're not acontender, We're not gonna We're probably not
really gonna compete for the playoffs nexthere, so we're gonna have another offseason
of this talk. But it justlike I'm not even telling Pistons fans to
be quiet about it, like doyour thing, just do your things.
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But just for me personally, Ijust get so tired of having the same
conversation. Well, and I thinkI like the way I approach the draft
because I sit here and look atwhy am I gonna learn twenty guys you
know coming out of college and doall this draft analysis when the Pistons are
only gonna pick once. So Iwait for the pick to come in and
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I look at players that that shouldbe available around that pick. So my
draft talk really started when we gotthe pick, and I'm already a little
sick of it. I can't imaginewhat it would be like for like,
you know, think of like Tommy. We've had him on multiple times.
Tommy from from driving to the basket, like dude's already got his twenty twenty
three and twenty twenty four board done. Like that's that's insane, Like he
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lives for this stuff and he lovesit, and just me, I just
don't. So my my draft coveragereally just started a few weeks ago,
and I'm already like checking my watch, when when's that draft? What time
is it? What? Come on? See? For me, the best
time to do the draft talk islike before the pick has been announced.
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I love going through the scenarios onethrough seven, like we did this past
offseason and like the year before.That is so much more fun for me
because I just think of all thepossibilities, like you try to project,
you see how every guy fits withwhat the Pistons are trying to build,
and that to me is a lotof fun. I wish those posts and
those tweets would just be automatically deletedby their social media like you have tweeted
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too much about this topic. Weare done. Think of something else to
talk about. But again, Ilove Pistons fans. I love the community.
It's fun to be a part ofit. So you know, I
mean, if this is what it, if this would I have to go
through this offseason and the next offseason. Then fine, so be it.
Like you know, as long asI'm a part of it, that's all
that matters. So let's let's nottalk about the same thing anymore. How
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many years until we're talking about playoffbasketball? From from now? From this?
Two years? Two years? Ithink so too. I think say
two years, we'll be talking aboutnot next year and not the year after,
but the next year. Yeah,I'm saying this year, they're not
going to be competing for the playoffs. They'll be competing for another top five,
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top ten pick. That's what I'llsay. Don't see that many changes
coming to Detroit where they're gonna makea huge jump. I want to talk
about Emi Aduko, Yeah, so, so it is. He was basically
just talking about being a first yearhead coach and what he went through and
talking about the teams that passed onhim and U he had originally interviewed with
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with four teams UH and he finishedsecond out of three of those teams on
their their list of coaches and finishedfirst obviously for Boston and he's coaching Boston,
but the Detroit Pistons were mentioned asU interested in Emi Adoka and I
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don't know, man, It justI wonder what this team would have looked
like with with him at the helm, But I don't really too. I
got two points. I don't reallythink he would have done more than what
Duane Casey has done with this team. And the second thing I have is
I think the team did the rightthing in hiring a coach of the year,
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a coach that has had some successin the NBA to handle a rebuild
versus a first year coach. Youremember back before the season when everybody was
clamoring that Chauncey Billups wanted a headcoaching job, and Pistons fans were like,
oh my god, it would beperfect, and I was just like,
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you know, we're in a reallyreally delicate spot right now. You
know, we're the caterpillar in thecocoon right now, and if something comes
in and pushes us off or pushesus off course, it's going to set
us back five to seven years.So we really need a coach that has
been here, that has built ateam up. And you know, we
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took a chance on a newer GMthat looks like it has been a brilliant
move, but you just kind ofwant arians in the role right now.
Yeah, it would be hard foremia duco to do like to try.
I mean, I don't know ifPistons fans would expect him to duplicate the
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success he had with Boston, absolutely, But you're right, I wonder how
the team would have looked, Like, I mean, would they have bought
in to what a Duku was tryingto do? Like defensively would they have
been better defensively under him? ButI think that's the importance of Dwayne Casey
is, you know, he's nothere for a long time, but he's
here to establish a foundation. He'shere to you know, put a culture
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in place with these guys for thenext coach. He's basically grooming this team
for another coach to come down theline and take them over the top.
And like, because I don't knowif every young new NBA coach that wants
to come in wants to start witha rebuilding team. And that's the again
bringing it bringing it back to ChaunceyBillups, That's what I'm worried about him
in Portland, Like, he hasa roster good enough to compete, but
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not really good enough to do anything. So he's gonna be fired in a
few years if if the team doesn'tdo anything special, and it's gonna be
no fault of his own and allfaults of the roster he inherited. But
he will be looked at saying ifif my vision comes true, he will
be looked at as a as abad coach because he's a new coach coming
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into not the greatest situation and notthe greatest team and couldn't do anything with
it. You know, a duco. I hope I'm saying his name right.
I really do. UM, butI he came into a really good
situation, and really you can tellthat the players for Boston really enjoy playing
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for him. I remember just afew years ago when it leaked that Blake
Griffin was looking to before he cameto Detroit. He was he was looking
at Boston. I realized he cameby trade, but he could have made
his way to Boston after UM anda unreported Celtics players that do not come
here. It is terrible. There'sdysfunction in the locker room, and I
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think he's really cleaned it up.I mean, you're not taking a team
in your first year to the finalswith a broken locker room and a disconnect
between player and coach. So Ithink he's a good coach. I think
he's gonna be a good coach inthe NBA for a while. And Boston
has their guy, But I stillwould sit with Dwayne Casey over any first
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year guy. Boston really bought intowhat Duco was doing, and right,
you know, I mean obviously theybought in there in the NBA finals.
I would rather the Pistons build thatfoundation, build that culture, put everything
in place, and then a coupleof seasons down the line, bringing a
young, innovative coach that's gonna takethem over the top, and that's gonna
be put in place to succeed ratherthan struggles. So I don't blame the
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Pistons. Passing over to Duco wasn'tthe right spot form right now. And
I'm on the other spectrum of Duwayneand Casey. I really think like he's
gonna be a seven to ten yearhead coach here. Yeah, I don't
know, I really, I mean, what three years and he got he
signed in an extension? Um,I believe so. Um, But I
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really do think Dwayne Casey is gonnabe here for for a while. I
mean, we just saw a twentywins a season, a poor season last
year, um, and nobody inthe Pistons front office, even when Pistons
Twitter is clamoring for Dwayne Casey's headbecause you have unrealistic expectations, we hear
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Tom gorsay, we're sticking it outwith this guy. I mean, look
how long stan Van Gundy was hereand he was hated across a Pistons social
media. I don't think Dwayne Caseyis here just to build something and pass
it on. I think he's hereto build something and see if he can
take it into into fruition. Imean, this guy is still Coach of
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the year. Dwayne Casey built,you know, Toronto, And so I
really think Dwayne Casey is is goingto be a seven to ten year head
coach here. He's been here forfour seasons already. This will be a
fifth season. So yeah, maybeseven years is the marker for Dwayne Casey.
I mean, you know, he'sbeen through it all here and even
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so now hearing that, I mean, okay, I now think he's going
to be a ten to twelve yearI think two more seasons is not going
to be it for for Dwayne Casey. I think this team is not going
to look to compete next year.So you can't judge a coach taking a
team that all his goal is thisseason is to get better. His goal
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isn't the playoffs. His goal isn'ta play in team or a play in
spot. His goal is to getthe team better, and then you see
what you do next year. Andif you were to fire him off of
one year, off of okay,now we're really trying to to succeed,
I think that would be absolutely assinineand not a good look for the Pistons.
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So I could up my answer andgo ten to twelve years. Yeah,
ten to twelve might be too much. I would say like seven to
eight. I would say seven yearsseems to be the thing, because you
got to think about it. FromTroy Weaver's perspective, is if he is
satisfied with the roster in two yearsand he thinks that they can make a
playoff push in two years with theroster he has built, Dwayne Casey doesn't
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get it done, they will definitelybe looking at a new head coach to
be bringing in. I still don'tthink so. I don't have to disagree
with you I have to and that'sfine, but I just I it's hard
for me. I would be reallydisappointed in Troy Weaver if he was to
flip the switch and go, thisis the year, this is the year
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we go for a playoff spot andthe Pistons missed the playoffs and then fired
Dwayne Casey. Well, he hastechnically said that though, like he said,
three years this team should be competing, and that was that was a
sideque Bay and Isaiah Stewart. TheCad draft and then the upcomp that this
draft are all moving parts though.I mean you could say say what you
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want, but you really don't knowwhat you have until you get on the
court. You know, he hasa plan in place, this is what
he expects and if the guy isn'tmatching those expectations, he'll be out.
And I mean, like, yeah, it kind of stinks for Dwayne Casey,
but that's the business of basketball.When you're you have such the teams
have such a short window to getto the championship level and ultimately win that
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trophy, so that you want tohave all the pieces in place. You
don't have ten years to see ifa guy can get it done. Like
I mean, obviously you're gonna givehim, well, you're gonna give him
a little wiggle room now because theroster was so bad and had to be
overhauled that bringing in a new coachjust when it makes sense because you want
some continuity within your organization, andthat's what Dwyne Casey brings you. If
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this team is ready to compete intwo years and he doesn't get it done,
yeah he's out the door, likethat's a very hot So should the
heat have fired Eric's Bowl stro whenhe had lebron and in all them in
South Beach and didn't win it hisfirst year? Should Brooklyn fire Steve Nash
because he didn't get it done thisyear? I mean, one year of
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going for the playoffs and coming upshort is not cause for firing because not
only are you firing the coach,all the personnel, unless retained by the
next coach, goes with him.So when you talk about firing a coach,
you're talking about a complete overhaul ofthe team. The team's offense is
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not gonna be ran the same,the defensive sets are not gonna be the
same. Though, the work thatthis new coach is not going to be
the same that he wants Sadiq Bayto do that. Sidik Bay has been
working on since he got in theNBA because he was given to it by
Dwayne Casey. Everything is gonna isgonna change. So are you really going
to say, yeah, we wecame up short one year after we started
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to try. Let's blow it upand bring someone new and change offensive,
defensive scheme, change everything, youknow. And I really don't see that.
That's why. So you said he'sbeen here for yeah going on five
years. I really think he hasat the very least four maybe three seasons
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left the head coach of the Pistons. It will be a different person at
the Helm in two to three years. Like I just don't I just don't
see ten years out of Duenn Caseyfor Detroit Pistons. I need a a
big old heart, a big oldheart tattooed on you with the initials d
C in the middle of it whenhe brings a championship to Detroit. Maybe
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if he brings a championship to duitto Detroit, I will get a realistic
piece of Duenn Casey tattooed on myback. Which piece whole? Now,
I'm telling you right now it willbe Dwayne Casey holding a championship trophy smoking
a cigar. I don't even knowif he smokes cigars, but that will
be the tattoo, that is ifhe if he leads the Detroit Pistons to
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championship, I will get that tattooedon my back, and that will before
before we commit to any more tattooson our body, we might want to
get out of here. I gotone more thing to bring up, and
it's a quote from Kade in theSlam cover the Slam magazine that he was
in. He says, the biggestthing I learned is that the league,
the media, nobody will care untilyou're winning. I have to win games
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if I want people to respect myname, and if not, I can't
be mad at people now watching enoughgames and how I really play. That
comes from Kade Cunningham. I sawsomeone on Twitter say that that was that's
him being selfish. I don't Idon't know how you read that and think
that that he's being selfish. Ithink you read that and you see nothing
matters to this guy other than winning. You know, like you know how
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you that is selfish? Because whenthat that Twitter user tucks himself in and
lays his head on his palo atnight, he goes, damn, I
wish kid cutting him was on myteam. And we call them haters.
So that that's all that is.That's that's pure hate. That's all that
is. That man has done nothingselfish since entering the league. I mean,
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some of his his replies and talkingto the media almost sounds rehearsed.
It's so good at times, likeit's almost like he had the question and
answer before it was asked, becausehe always says the right thing. He
has never said or done anything sofar in Detroit to make you think that
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that he is a selfish player.And I love the quote man, as
a basketball player, winning is theonly stat that matters at the at the
end of your career. That's that'sit. And I would rather have the
franchise player talking about how winning mattersto him more than anything than him being
upset that he didn't win Rookie ofthe Year for some other individual award like
(42:05):
or less. We've heard We've heardfrom others. I'm a bucket. Yeah,
okay, cool, dude, youalso are a lottery team yeah,
and like yeah, and that's whatI'm saying, like, I'd rather have
him talking about winning and how itmatters more than anything else. That is
so true to his nature. Andhe also goes on to say that he
heard the haters. So I'm gonnaask you, did you lose faith in
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Kate Cunningham after a slow start?Absolutely not. No, I mean the
best thing about this podcast is iswe got receipts you could go back and
listen. Absolutely not. I mean, and I know you didn't either.
We were we were both sitting herefighting the good fight against these idiots calling
Kada bus Pistons fans or not.If you ever once called Kade Cunningham a
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bust after a slow start, you'rean idiot, the simple. The only
time I ever doubted Kade was there'sthat Summer League where he was getting blocked
at the room where I'm like,oh my god, dude, to figure
that, I remember you bringing thatup. Yeah, I was. That
was something that where I didn't losefaith him as the number one pick,
but I knew that it would bemore difficult for him, like you got
it and he did figure it out. The other part was it was I
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actually went to his debut at LittleCaesar's Arena. I was there for that
game. I believe he had twopoints in his out in and it was
in the first quarter where the gamelooked like it was too fast for him,
and that's when I that was whenthat for a second I had doubted
whether he was the first pick ornot, where I was like, man,
this dude, there was so muchhype coming in. He I know,
it's his first game, but itlooks like the speed might be too
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much. He looks unsure of himself. And then in the second quarter,
the lights came on for Kate andhe figured it out. He looked much
faster, He looked like he wasprocessing the game a little differently. He
was getting to his spots like therewas just an immediate change from that first
quarter to that second quarter, andall the doubt that I had in my
mind about him being the first pickone out the window where I'm like,
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you know, even though he's onlyhe's only put up two points and a
couple of assists and a couple ofrebounds, is just that you saw the
lights come on for Kate Cunningham,And that's when I knew, you know
what they Detroit the right guy.This guy's gonna figure it out and he's
gonna put together a spectacular rookie season. That was that was my thought process.
But in that first quarter, yeah, there was a part of me
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that just thought, damn, don'tget me wrong. Looking watching Katee is
his first few weeks in the league, not even games, just first few
weeks in the in the league.I was definitely disappointed. And you're kind
of like, you're you know,you hear all the hype and you you
watch the videos since the it wasannounced Ben Wallace holding up that number one
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Detroit Pistons got the number one pick. We were watching Katee highlights since that
moment, knowing that this man isgonna be a Detroit Piston and look what
he did in college. Look howhe's so masterful with the ball. I
would be, you know, aliar to say I wasn't like taking back,
like, man, you know thisis this sucks. You know Cade
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Cade two points, Kade six points, Kade shooting one for seven, you
know the field for a little while. Yeah, like and you're like,
when when are we going to getto see it? When are we going
to get to see it? Butthere was never a part of me that
said, we're not going to getto see it. He doesn't have it,
he's a bust. You know.There was never that part of me.
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There was the you know, justwaiting and hoping that he can put
it together and Okay, here's ahere's another game. Hopefully we get to
see Kade do something to night.Oh nope, another game where he didn't
do anything. But you know,this is a rookie coming in with with
super high expectations, coming in withnot even just a slow start. I
think the part about the slow startthat gets forgotten all the time his dude
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was injured. Yep, dude cameinto the league in his his NBA season
having in nursing an injury, likeand you know, how long did it
take for him to really get started? A few weeks generally, what's the
time to come back from an injuryand the NBA, Oh well, reevaluate
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in a couple of weeks. Ohhe'll he's day to day for a few
weeks. You know. So hewas probably working through some stuff and yeah
he had a slow start. Yeahit was disappointing. But if your faith
or you know, ur I don'tknow the other word, if your faith
and Kate Cunningham ever wavered and youthought he was the wrong pick. That's
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crazy and it's funny because, likewe talk about kate slow start, and
you look back, it's, yeah, the first game two points, second
game six points, third game eighteenseventeen, twenty nine, ten, twenty
five, sixteen, nineteen thirteen,then a six and nine game. I
mean, it wasn't even really thatbad of a start, you know.
I mean the shooting numbers were down, but I mean like the scoring was
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still there, and the rebounds werestill there, and the assists were still
there, and you started to seea player figured it out. So yeah,
even with the slow start, Ijust I don't even really know.
I mean, that really doesn't seemlike that bad of a slow start,
especially an injury. And imagine ifhe was getting foul calls on top of
that, Because Kate Cunningham didn't juststart to get fouled at the end of
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the year. Kate Cunningham started todraw way, way, way, way
more attention towards the middle and endof the year. But Kade wasn't scared
coming into the NBA to drive onpeople. Kate wasn't scared to go in
the paint as as a rookie,he's doing all the same stuff. So
imagine if that first k game,Kade comes in and his first two points
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come off of free throws and thosebutterflies go away. Okay, I scored
in the NBA, the greatest leaguein the world. I did it.
Imagine what kind of game he couldhave had, you know. So all
these things are are real factors.And going into Kid Cuttingham's slow start.
Yeah, in his first day games, he had five games without a free
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throw. Tim So there's one morepart of the quote that I want to
bring up. He talks about howeverybody dreams of scoring thirty five points in
their NBA debut. Why thirty five? What is the what is the special
number about thirty five? Are youasking me? Yeah? Clue, Yeah,
I mean, like why not sayfifty? I don't understand thirty five?
Like why is that the benchmark forrookies? Does ever? I mean,
like, does every rookie think aboutthirty five points? I mean someone
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in him say is that a stat? Though I have someone rookie stat I
have no idea I have, Well, you know what, let me look
this up. Maybe that was hiscareer high. Thirty four was his career
high. He did it twice.Yeah, so maybe that's why I said
thirty five. But I don't know. I just saw the number thirty five
when I was reading that interview,and I just saw what a random number
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to stop on, Like, Ijust don't understand why not fifty fifty would
be like the ultimate as a rookie. So so so speaking of Kaid's career
high at at thirty four, andwe're talking about why not fifty points?
And we had a fifty point gamefrom from a Piston, Sadique bay So
this year the battle between sadiqu andKade Cunningham, who has the highest career
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high out of the two? Well, not career high, but I guess
just the season high. The seasonhigh. Um, he can hurt you
in a variety of ways. ButSadi can catch fire at any moment,
right he can. He can dropfifty on you like it was nothing.
Yeah, because we've seen that andwe're we're speaking facts on that. Um.
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If I had to say, now, who would have a who would
have a seat the higher season highnext year, I'm gonna bet on Sadiq
bay Um. But again, Kaycan hurt you a variety of voice.
He's not just a three. Yeah, he can hurt you from all three
levels. So absolutely not. AndI would say I would say to Sadique
Bay edges out for me for thesimple fact that he does not draw as
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much attention as a Kade cunning him. Well. Also, you know,
Kaide's the type that would probably belike, look if if we win the
game and I get ten points,but Sadiq Bay went off. Okay,
you can easily see a game likethat happening where Kade tries to feed the
hot hand and very well could beSadik Bay. So I would bet on
Sadi Bay having a U higher seasonhigh next year than Kid Cunningham. Good.
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I don't think we've seen the lastof fifty burgers Sadiq. But that
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