Aurora Belcea: There And Back Again - An Experiencer's Tale - Experiencer Interviews

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello everyone, and welcome back to another chapter of Experiencer Interviews.
And today we've got another amazing soul coming to us
from the US, but originally from Romania. We have Aurora
Belcia on board today. Aurora is a retired math teacher
who has been practicing insight meditation for many years. She
is a contact tea with connections to ets and extra

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dimensional beings who support the idea of a mutually beneficial
and peaceful open contact with our Star families. More recently,
she has been channelling these beings to draw their portraits.
She is interested in continuing to develop her intuitive artistic abilities,
as well as connecting with our Star Families using various

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modalities of communication such as telepathy and two way radios. So, Aurora,
thank you so much for coming on.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Oh, thank you for inviting me. It's really a pleasure.
I feel very honored. I've watched some of your other
interviews and I'm in pretty exceptional company. I can't believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
What's so coming. Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Oh, thank you. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
So let's talk a bit about your childhood in Romania.
Since I've never had the chance to travel a bit,
can you tell us about your upbringing in Romania, if
anything otherworldly happened to you at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, Romania was a Communist at the time that I
was there, So when I was a teenager, my dad
ended up escaping and we move. We moved from France
to France and into the United States. So that was
the process. But while I was growing up, I don't
actually have any recollection of being visited by any beings.

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But I did grow up feel like I didn't fit in,
and I'm sure a lot of star seats can relate
to that. I remember when I was very little, maybe
four or five years old, if that, feeling like I
was being encased in this physical body and I was

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beginning to only be able to see through my eyes
and you know, hear through my ears, where before I
felt like I was really just sort of interacting with
my environment in a more holistic way. It just seemed
as I got older that my ability to interface with
my environment was becoming increasingly more and more limited. So

(02:44):
I'm not sure you know why that was happening, but
I came to the conclusion on my own ded I
guess as we get older, we just sort of lose
our sensitivity, and you know, I've hit the tree, be
not necessarily the target, but yeah, I remember noticing what

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was happening. And my biggest concern was that I was
beginning to feel like I was asleep and like I
was maybe a character in somebody's dream. And I was
worried about what would happen to me when this person
would wake up, if I was just a character in
somebody's dream. And you know, eventually I figure out that

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I was the character in my own dream. And you know,
but those are the kinds of things that I was
contemplating when I was very, very little, and I just
did not fit in, was not able to really make friends.
I couldn't really relate to other children. I never really

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understood why they had to be so cruel to one another.
So and it wasn't just in childhood. I mean this
sort of thing, you know, not really fitting in anywhere
kind of followed me my entire life. I finally found
my tribe five years ago, you know, when things started
to become a little bit more clear. But yeah, growing

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up in Romania, you know, under communist regime, there really
wasn't a lot of fun to be had, so to speak.
So I read a lot, I spent a lot of
time by myself, and you know, I was I was
really glad when we finally left and I ended up
ultimately in the United States. But it was it was

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it was a trip, a trip. I'm really glad to
be here.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Reminds me of when you're well, some of the children,
when they're were somewhat young, they still remember their past lives.
So yeah, I guess that, you know, the connections still there.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, I think possibly what was happening is based on
you know what I know now is I I guess
the first few years of my life, my consciousness wasn't
fully attached, I guess to this physical body, and I
have a suspicion that I was kind of coming and
going in a sense. I do remember the earliest memory

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that I have was actually a being in my mother's womb,
and I really didn't know what I was experiencing at
the time. It was just my own self guided meditation,
and I remembered like hearing this rhythmic beating in my ears,
but it sounded like my ears were full of water,

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you know, like boom boom boo boom like that, and
it was sometimes it was light and sometimes it was dark,
and so that was kind of an odd experience. And
it really wasn't until a few years later when I
was swimming in a swimming pool and I got water
in my ears and I realized, oh, wow, this is
the that's what happened. I had watered my ears and boom,

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I remembered I was in my mother's womb. So that's
my very very earliest memory and there was no anything
emotional attached to it. But so, like I said, I
don't actually have specific memories that I can be one

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hundred percent sure that you know they're actually what happened.
There are a lot of flashes and things that pop
up in my mind of things that have happened in
past lives. But you know how it's like, you know,
I'm not really sure am I making it up? Or
is did this actually really happen. There's really no way
for me to get any confirmation. So I don't ignore

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those experiences entirely, but I just sort of put them
aside as, you know, maybe this was possible. I do
have other experiences that happened since then that it's like
I was fully conscious and I know for sure those
were definitely paranormal experiences that just cannot be explained conventional means.

(07:02):
So yeah, this said, this whole world of the paranormal
really didn't open up to me until twenty twenty in
a you know, it really took off then. But I
did have an experience ten years ago after I was
in a really bad car accident that left me disabled.

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That's why I had to I had to retire from teaching.
I couldn't I couldn't work anymore. I'm a lot better
now than I was then, but I was in a
I was in a really bad place. You know, I
couldn't work anymore. I was in a lot of pain.
And I have been meditating for a long time, you know,
twenty years now, twenty five years, I think, so I
had been a serious I was still a serious meditator

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back then ten years ago. And I remember this one
particular day, I'm sitting on the couch and I'm just
really bummed and just reaching for the remote, just ready
to zone out in front of the tube, and you know,
forget my worries. I wasn't a lot of pain, so,
you know, it was nice to have something to distract
myself with. But in any case, I'm sitting on the

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couch and I keep getting this nudge, like this internal nudge,
you know, go and meditate. Go in your meditation room.
I had this little closet under the stairs. You know,
there's a space under the stairs, and so that's where
I would go meditate. So I wasn't really up for
it because I wasn't in a good mood. But I
kept getting this nudging, so I finally got up. I

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went to my meditation room. I sat down, closed my eyes,
and as soon as I did that, there was this
overwhelming energy that I sensed in the room. It was
so intense I was afraid to open my eyes because
of what I might see. So I'm sitting there with
my eyes closed, going Holy cow. And while I'm sensing

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this energy, there is this intense, I don't know what
else to call it, shower of compassionate love. It literally
felt like just penetrated through my body and I had
never had that experience before. It was intense. I mean,
it brought me to tears, just a overwhelming sense of

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compassion and love that this being was putting out. And
after a few moments of that, I got this telepathic
message there were a couple of words that I picked
up on. He said, he repeated it, that this is
not a punishment. This is not a punishment, referring to

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what was happening to me, you know, my car accident
and all the consequences that were happening, because I was
sliding into a pretty deep depression, and so, you know,
it was interesting that that's what he addressed, knowing that
that's kind of where I was going. It's like, oh
my gosh, you know, I'm being punished, karma whatever. And
he insisted that it was not a punishment. And then

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he said something that I still I didn't understand then
and I still don't understand now, but I have a
little bit more of a context for it. He said
he referred to like the big guy or some former
leadership figure, some guy who was in charge of a group,
and he said that, you know this, the big guy

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is pleased with your progress, and those are the words,
pleased with your progress. And I have no idea what
that means. Fast forward to ten years later, I meet
my friend Kevin Briggs, and after we have some conversations
about my experiences, we reached the conclusion that the being

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who came to visit me, was actually one of the
beings that he's familiar with from the Council of Eight.
It turned out to be Ord who was an Arcturian
as a teacher and a teacher, and the big guy
that he was referring to is actually raw who is Amunaki,
and he is the leader of the Council of Eight.
So that it was again a decade before I even

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met Kevin, but it was it was it was life changing.
That was really life changing. The next really big thing
that happened was in twenty twenty when I go to
these meditation retreats, the Solam Meditation retreats every year, so
twenty twenty was no exception. And during that ten day

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meditation course, I had a couple of really mind blowing
experiences where I, I mean, those experiences felt more real
than this conversation does right now, and I understood and
I saw the matrix for what it actually is, this

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unending cycle of birth and death and rebirth and death
that really doesn't accomplish anything from life to life, we
forget who we are, we start over again. Nothing really
carries over that is of any significance. And it was
just overwhelming, overwhelming. There's that scene in the movie The

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Matrix where Morpheus shows Neo what the matrix is and
then Neil freaks out and he wants to come back out,
you know, and he comes to and takes that thing
out from the back of his head and he's just
floored into sorry and he eventually throws up and passes out.
Now my response wasn't quite so dramatic, but it was

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that sort of feeling like unbelievable, just an enormous radical
shift in my paradigm, my understanding of reality. So from
that point on, I started actively pursuing, you know, exploring

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consciousness and you know, developing my awareness of things that
we don't necessarily see with our own eyes. I started
to remember how when I was younger, when I was little,
how I interfaced. It wasn't that I interacted, I literally
interfaced with my environment, and I started to miss that.

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I was starting to remember that, you know what, I
shouldn't feel like I'm encased in this suit. There's sometimes
something is not right. We've experienced my life in this way.
There's there's another way to do it. So when I
came back home from that from that meditation, course, it
was within a couple of days afterwards when I had

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my first ET experience that I am consciously aware of,
and it was very, very strange. I am lying in
bed next to my husband. I had been home from
that meditation retreat for a couple of weeks now, and
I always meditate before I fall asleep, you know, I
observe my breath, there's you know, I practice my meditation.

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That's how I fall asleep. Well, I'm sitting there and
I'm meditating, and then all of a sudden, even though
my eyes are closed, this image pops into my mind's
eye of me. I'm seeing this perspective of my body
where I'm lying down the same way that I'm lying

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down in bed, but I'm not in my bed. I'm
someplace else. And there's these little grays, three of them
I saw. We've had these little instruments. One of them
was by my left shoulder, another one was further down,
you know, by my hip, and there was another one
right by my feet. And so it startled me, and
I opened my eyes and the image didn't go away.

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It was like it's super imposed over the image that
I was seeing of my bedroom. So I am simultaneously
lying down in my bed while at the same time
I'm lying down. I guess on this examination table they
overlapped if you put you know, like I'm not sure

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how to describe it. It was as if the image
of my bedroom and the image of this other reality overlapped.
They were transparent, they were one on top of the other.
And I've never been able to really explain to myself
what was happening, if it was a flashback, or maybe
part of me was someplace else, But in any case,

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it was very frightening. When I opened my eyes and
it didn't go away, that really freaked me out. And
another thing that scared me was I couldn't feel anything
from these little grays. They seemed very robotic. I mean,
they were not robots. They seemed like they were made

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of organic material, but there was no emotion. They were
very tasque orients, and they didn't really seem to care
that I was afraid. It's like they had something, a
task to accomplish, and it really didn't matter to them
how I felt about it. They were going to get
done whatever was that We're going to get done. So

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while I'm freaking out, all of a sudden, I'm noticing
there's this other taller it looked like a taller gray
with this huge, try wide, triangular face and these humongous
black eyes right up in my face. I had sleep paralysis.
I couldn't really move, but I could turn my eyes,
and I could see him just towering over me, leaning

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down and telepathically telling me, we're not trying to hurt you,
don't be afraid, you relax, We're not trying to comfort
me with a lot of compassion. But his facial expression
startled me because I had never seen you know, this
is these big black bug eyes right in my face,

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you know they were so I couldn't see his expression,
and his facial expression didn't match the compassion that he
was putting out, and my brain just didn't know what
to do with that. And I was absolutely terrified. I
had never experienced terror to that degree ever before or

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since then, and so I couldn't. Like I said, I'm
trying to figure out how I am in this situation,
and all of a sudden, I realized, you know what,
I really don't care what they're doing to me. I
didn't feel like they had any sort of malevolent intent,
so I said, you know what, I don't care what

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you're doing to me. I just don't want to know
about it. That was basically the conclusion. And as I
said that, the image of these grays starting fading away,
and in my vision I could see that I was
in my bedroom. Well, as this image was fading away,
my terror was going with it, and my curiosity set

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in and I said, well, maybe I can handle it.
As soon as I said that, it started coming back
into focus and my terror came right with it, and
I said, you know what, I'm not ready, so and
they went away. It just it vanished to dissolve. That
image dissolve. So I'm in my bed and I'm noticing
my curtains are drawn, and I'm noticing right outside my

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balcony there's these flashing lights. I thought, could it be
like an emergency vehicle, you know, like an ambulance or
a police But there were flashing green lights, and I
know that emergency vehicles don't have green lights flashing. And
there was no sound. There was nothing. So I'm turning

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around my husband's asleep, sound asleep, to tell them, honey,
there's some weird lights outside our bedroom. And before I
even start speaking, the lights shut off, so I got up,
you know, to open the curtains what was out there,
and there was nothing. There were no police cars or

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an ambulance or anything like that in the street. I mean,
it was completely silent, and I would have heard if
these vehicles would have driven away, I would have heard
the sound. I mean it was in the middle of
the night, so whatever that was, I didn't get to
see it, but it just vanished. And at this point
I became obsessed with researching UFO related phenomena and wanting

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to meet other people who have had experiences. And that's
actually what motivated me to go to the group where
I met Kevin Briggs, because I was really having a
hard time integrating that experience with the rest of my life.
It was exciting, though, I was really really excited about it.
It was fun. It was just a whole brand new

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thing that I could learn about. Surely after that experience,
my husband and I we were on the couch and
one evening and we were just kind of flipping through
through the movies on Amazon on Amazon Prime, and this
documentary about Boshar that was made by darryl Anka. Are
you familiar with Bashar? Showed up, popped up, and so, wow,

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this looks really interesting. Both my husband and I were
hit with we know this guy? How do we know
this guy? And so that was odd. And then as
I was listening to you know baschar in this documentary,
he was talking about the things that I remember thinking

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about when I was a child, the whole idea about
being asleep. That's one of the things that he talks about,
this idea that there is no time, there's only the
experience of time. I remember thinking about that when I
was little. There were so many different things that he
validated in that documentary from you know what I was

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thinking about when I was a child. So that was
very intriguing. I still haven't figured out where I know
Bushar from. I have some suspicions, but you know, at
a conscious level, I don't have any recollections of anything.
And so that's how my journey started. The next strange

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experience I had was again, actually, there were a couple
more that I want to I don't want to share
with you before.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
We get into that. Yeah, sure, I'd like to come
back and give yourself a bit of a breather.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yes, thank you. I'm actually reaching for my water bottle.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Now, coming back to art the first time, did you
did he Did he ever project a face or was
it only like a verbal interaction you had with with ort?

Speaker 2 (21:56):
He did not project a face in my mind's eye,
And like I said, I was afraid to open my
eyes because I might have been able to see whoever
was there, and I would have totally scared me. I
was just not ready for anything like that at the time.
So no, I didn't know what he looked like, but
I could feel him as this really loving, compassionate, overwhelmingly

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compassionate being that I knew was not human. It appeared humanoid.
I thought. At the time, I was like, maybe it
was an angelic being. I didn't know anything about eteas.
I mean, this was about six years before I had
this experience I just described, you know, with the sleep

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paralysis and all of that, So I had no concept
of UFOs at the time, and I was explaining it
to myself that maybe it was some angelic being that
came to visit me, although that never really sat right
with me. It was only after I spoke with Kevin
that I'm like, Okay, that's it that I can that's
exactly it. I was able to connect my experience with

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what he was describing, and it really made sense. It
really felt right.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
And coming to those three grays in the bedroom in
the room, could you describe them, like were they wearing anything?
And how tall were they they were?

Speaker 2 (23:26):
I will say, I don't know, four feet if the
three to four feet tall, and they were wearing all
four of them were wearing this really dark blue jumpsuit
with like a like a turtleneck it seemed, and yeah,
it was like going it was going up, you know,

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partly up their neck. I couldn't see what they had
on their feet because I couldn't I couldn't get up
to look. But the three little ones, they had some
instruments in their hands that, to be honest, reminded me
of the kind of stuff that you would see in
that Jetson's cartoon from way back when, you know, with

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the guns with the little wheels, and it was that style. Okay,
at least that's what I saw. And they were touching me.
I could feel them touching me. I could feel those instruments. Actually,
the one went into my upper arm and it was
weird to see it disappear, you know, just I kind

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of went in, but it didn't hurt, and so I
could feel the pressure of it, like I could feel
that something was happening, but there was no pain. And so,
like I said, the weirdest thing about them is though
even though they seemed to have to be individuals, they

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seemed to be connected to one another in some way.
They didn't say anything to me, but they were acting
as if they were coordinating in some way. And again
they were very, very task oriented. That was another thing
that really scared me is that they really couldn't care

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less how I felt about what they were doing. But
you know, they didn't seem malicious in any way.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, did you ever find out what they were actually
doing to you? No?

Speaker 2 (25:31):
I never did, but afterwards. It was not right after
that experience, but there were a few times afterwards when
I would wake up in the morning and I would have,
like it, what appeared to be like a puncture wound
in the inside of my elbow. And interestingly enough, that
happened one year and then to the exact same date

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the following year. It was in the same exact spot.
I took pictures, and the only reason I knew that
it was the same date is because when I saw
the second one, I'm like, wait a minute, I've seen
this before. And I went to my camera and I
saw the date when I had taken the picture, and
it was the same exact date as the day I
had the second one. So that was interesting. And then

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every now and again I will wake up with these
little bruises that I can't explain. So I know, you know, again,
I am not consciously aware in a way that I
can see one hundred percent. I know this happened, but
I know that I do go places at night. I
do remember being escorted by somebody I didn't see who,

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literally through my window, and I remember feeling the glass
as I was going through the glass. It was weird.
And so you know, when I was floating, and I've
had some lucid dreams with you know, experiencing going through

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walls or being an orb, a glowing orb, and so
but again these are all things that I classify as
lucid dreams. They definitely felt very different from other dreams.
And other times I have felt as I was falling
asleep it almost seemed like I had cats on my bed,

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you know, I could feel them walking. It seemed like
they were walking on the covers, and they were walking
on me, and whenever that happened, I would involuntarily just
pass out. So, you know, after reading about and listening
to other people who have had experiences with these kinds
of visitations, there are my experiences have a lot of

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things in common, I guess with some other people who
have had I guess these kinds of visits. But the
only time I ever saw a face was in that
one instance when I just described with the three, with
the three little grays and then the taller one. I
drew a picture of the taller one afterwards. And when

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I drew the picture, I drew it with his hands
folded like this. I don't know why I did that.
I had no concept of mantis beings at that point.
I mean, we're talking, this was just right at the
very beginning, I didn't know they even existed. And later
when I did find out about mantis beings and I

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looked at the drawing, I realized that was a mantis
being that was not a gray. He was very very tall,
and the triangular face is not the shape of a
gray face. The little grays were. They were wide, wider
than they were tall, and that's this taller grade that gray.

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That's what he looked like. It was this huge triangular
face with a big bug eyes. It's possible that this
mantis being put that image in my head so that
I wouldn't completely freak out, you know, at least it
was a semblance of something that I, you know, was

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I guess somewhat familiar because I had seen drawings of grays,
you know, other places. But now I knew that that
was a mantis being, and I have over time, I
have developed a relationship with that mantis being. And yeah,
we've we've gotten pretty close.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah, so let's get into this story. Theeah, Well you
what happened after those experiences? Did they come back like
fairly soon afterwards?

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, it was. It was a period of time when,
like I said, I had cats on my bed and
I would I would fall asleep while I was dreaming.
It was like I was dreaming. I knew that I
was asleep, and then when I would pass out asleep
in my dream, and I realized that that was somebody

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was causing that to happen. And there was a period
of time when those things were occurring. They stopped, now,
you know, for a while I haven't had any cats
on my bed, but I still have listen dreams about
going places on the planets, floating around. The experiences that

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followed after that weren't so much visitation experiences. There were
more downloads now. The one download that I had while
I was at the meditation center one time, it was
like somebody had dumped the contents of their computer into
my brain. It was just this pouring in of symbols

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that I couldn't recognize. And after that, when I came
back home, I remembered that I can move things with
my mind, and so I started looking into telekinesis and
one thing led to another, and I was, you know,

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I made my own little up. They call it a
side wheel. It's basically just a pin with some aluminum
oil before some aluminum foil, and you put it on
top and it spins. You know. It's like a little
like a little windmill. And I was able to move
it while it was under a glass, so it's not
like the wind. Yeah, that was pretty interesting, that entire experience.

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I felt as if, you know how somebody when they
lose it like a limb, like their leg, and they
have a prosthetic leg, and they knew how to walk
before that accident, but when they get this prosthetic leg,
they have to relearn how to walk with that handicap.
That's what it felt like. It's like, I know how
to do this, I've always known how to do this,

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but it's the matter of doing it in this body,
in this form, and it's, you know, difficult. It's very difficult.
I actually, for some reason, have the sense that it
should be so much easier. I know how to do it.
I know exactly what I have to do. It's just

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that it doesn't always work until I really put a
lot of effort into it. So it's not like I
can move furniture around the room or like Samantha from Bewitched,
you know, I just wiggle my nose. I wish I
could do that, you know, at my house clean But so,
you know, it's nothing that's spectacular. And I've watched interview.
I mean, I've watched other people on YouTube who appear

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to have much more developed skill than I have. But
for me, what was interesting is that I remembered. It
wasn't something brand new that I felt like I was learning.
I remembered that I used to be able to do that,
so that started developing. Also, my telepathic ability started developing,
and I started to have interactions with especially the mantis

(33:13):
being would show up in my mind's eye quite vividly
and just give me information that I didn't understand at
the time and would come to me like I'm driving
down the street and all of a sudden, Oh my gosh,
I get it, and it would be this really profound

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concept of some sort. So you know that, it just
started to expand my mind and my understanding. I guess
the weirdest thing that has ever happened to me after
that was again when I was at the meditation center.
I'm not quite sure why these things happen there, probably
because I'm calmer and there's no other distractions. But I

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was in the room where I was saying, there was
like a little area for a kitchen and there's a
separate bathroom room in this One morning, I'm in front
of the kitchen, sing and I'm washing my hands, getting
ready to make some breakfast, and there's this little mirror
right above the kitchen sink, and I'm looking in the
mirror and I'm thinking, oh, I got to blow dry
my hair. My hair is still wet. So I look

(34:16):
back down at my hands, and I noticed that there's
like all of the soap on my hands, kind of
you know, too much soap, so to speak. And I
realize that my hands are no longer in the bath
in the kitchen sink, They're in the bathroom sing And
I look up and I'm no longer in the kitchen.
I am in the bathroom now. So it went from

(34:40):
I'm looking at my hands as I'm washing in the
kitchen to looking at my reflection in the mirror, to
looking back at my hands and realizing they're not in
the kitchen sink, they're in the bathroom sink. And I
went back into the kitchen and I looked on the floor.

(35:01):
I mean, there was so much soap on my hands
it would have dripped if I had spaced out and
walked from the kitchen to the bathroom. There should have
been some on the floor, but there wasn't anything. And
the other really weird thing was that the kitchen sink
was dry, so that was really bizarre. I didn't have

(35:21):
a clock at the time, but it didn't seem like
I had any missing time. It was still that same morning.
I don't know how much later in the morning it was.
We had a schedule, you know, for the meat for
meditation at eight in the morning, so I hadn't I
didn't miss that. I wasn't late for that. I have
no idea what happened, no idea, but I literally, somehow

(35:45):
was teleported from one room onto the other. And it
appeared to be this seamless experience. It was not like, oh,
I passed out for a while, or I don't remember
this chunk of time. No, it was like a continuous experience.
And I've never been able to explain that in any

(36:06):
sort of I guess conventional terms. I suspect I got
picked up and returned, and perhaps maybe they wanted me
to be aware that something had happened. Maybe I wasn't
quite ready to, I guess, except where I had been.
What really surprised me was how calm I was. I mean,

(36:32):
I'm not an agitated person to begin with, but I
was uncharacteristically calm. And when I found myself in the bathroom,
I started laughing, and I'm like, wow, so that just happened,
and it was interesting. I was actually surprised by my

(36:55):
own reaction. That is, by far the weirdest thing that
I have ever experienced, the telepathic communications that I have
with these beings. Now, you know, it was pretty surprising
at first, but because it's been an ongoing thing, I've

(37:19):
sort of, I guess, integrated that in my life and
it's it's it's no longer something novel. It's like, this
is the way we should all be communicating. You know.
It feels more natural to me to communicate that way,
and sometimes I get frustrated trying to communicate with words,
trying to explain, you know, some some content that I'm

(37:41):
trying to explain it. It feels like, you know, they
call it a thoughtball, you know, these the way that
these other beings communicate telepathically. It's like I get this
thoughtball that contains information, emotions, all sorts of different things
all at once, and so if I try to speak

(38:03):
about it, it almost feels like this ball of yarn
I'm trying to I guess I'm winded into yarn that
I can give to somebody else, and they don't. They
don't get the ball of yarn. They just get this
pile of tangled up string. Now, because the information that

(38:25):
I get in this thought ball is not linear, so
trying to put it in linear terms. You know, with
linear language, really a lot gets lost in the translation.
A lot of it gets lost in the translation. So
that's you know, that's that's a little, I guess frustrating,
because you know, I'm frustrated with trying to write things

(38:46):
in my journal. Let's put it that way. I've given
up trying to keep track of this stuff just because
it loses the specialness of it, gets lost, gets lost
in translation.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Now, you talked about your traumatic car event. Did having
them coming to your life was it like a healing thing?
Did you feel as somebody was watching over you?

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah. I didn't realize it at the time, but in
the last couple of years, as I have become more
aware of these beings and their presence in my life,
I realized that. First of all, I used to be
in a wheelchair. Let me just put it this way.
That car accident put me in a wheelchair. I needed

(39:34):
a cane to walk around, I had a walker. I
don't need any of that anymore. I went snowboarding a
couple of years ago, okay, and took snowboarding lessons and
at a ball So I've gone from being in a
wheelchair to snowboarding. I mean, I'm still in the bunny slope.

(39:56):
But you know, at my age, I'm okay with that.
You know, it's fine. So yeah, they have, they have.
I'm not. I don't. I don't have a specific being
in mind, but it seems I get the sense that
there's a team and it's not just me each one
of us, especially star Seeds, I think we each have

(40:18):
a team of individuals of beings who maybe some of
them just work with us and only us, but we
also share. There are some of these beings who come
and go and we share them with other people, Like
I know this is true of the mantis being that

(40:39):
I am friends with. You know, he comes around, he
stays for periods of time, and then he goes, and
then he comes back. And so that's kind of how
I see it, and they do. I have been able
on occasion to feel going through a healing process as
I'm meditating, uh you know, just like having light and

(41:03):
energy and just you know, pouring into my body and
it I can tell that it's coming from a source
outside of myself. You know, it's really becoming that clear.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
That's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah, I'm really grateful for that, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
I eventually developed a rheumatoriyathritis and a few years after
that I had open heart surgery.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
But the and the years in between that had a
lot of contact and I'm not sure why, but it
really changed how I viewed things, and the fear of
death wasn't really there anymore, because like either then or
how he his presence, how he showed showered you with

(41:47):
love a bite I felt that. I call it love radiation,
and I like that was from an angelic, let's say,
because clearly I Caucasian, white female lady big all wearing
white oh a bit like Chris bled Cells.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
I guess exactly what I was thinking of when you.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
The chin was slightly round this but yeah, long flowing
hair down to our shoulders eighteen's hundred's robes ish type
of thing. So yeah, I've got a story with that.
But coming back to the Council of Eight, how did
they show themselves to you? Like the first time.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
I knew. I found out about the Council of Eight
from Kevin because he told the story when I went
when I first met him, he did a presentation with
a story about the Council of Eight, but I had
no idea. You know. It took a couple of years
actually before I realized, hang on a second here, you know,
because it's not just me in that exo conscious community

(42:51):
who has contact with the Council of Eight. There are others,
and so we started sharing information in stories, and that's
how we realize that we're all connected to the same beings.
What happened at first was again another one of these
strange experiences. I went to a C five at a

(43:15):
friend's house and he is a professional artist. Now I've
always been a creative person, but I've I don't have this.
I didn't have this skill and I never had I
didn't feel like I had the time to develop the skill,
so I was pretty much limited to drawing stick figures.
That was about it. But I went to my friend's

(43:37):
house and he gave me a little tour of his
house and I got to see his studio, you know,
where he paints. And when I walked in there, it
was like, WHOA, something's happening here. I was really just
moved by just being in that room. And that evening

(43:58):
we had our C five, we had sightings. It was
nothing spectacular. Nobody landed on his lawn, but we did
have some interesting sightings. And after that event, I started
to feel this urge to draw pictures of ets, and
at first I was reluctant because, like I said, you know,

(44:19):
stick figures were not that was not what I was
trying to communicate. But when I did start drawing, these
pictures that were coming out were like amazing, amazing, And
at first I thought, you know, I'm probably just making
this stuff up in my head, because as I was drawing,

(44:40):
these stories about these beings would just start developing in
my mind. It was as if these beings were talking
to me. But because it was new again, I was
just sort of brushing it off as ooh, it's just
my imagination. But after a while, people started asking me
to make these drawings, you know, draw something for them,

(45:04):
and I continued to write the story that came with
the being and the information that I got from that
being when I was drawing it, thinking that, you know,
it's probably just my own projection. But the people that
I made these drawings for there was information in those
stories that I couldn't have known. They really felt that

(45:29):
I was really onto something. There was you know, there
were messages coming from these beings specifically for them, referencing
things that I could not have known, of details that
I couldn't have known because I didn't even know these
people very well. They were not going to friends. So
then I started contemplating the possibility that, wait a minute,
maybe they are talking to me. Maybe I am connecting.

(45:53):
I don't know one hundred percent that that's what's really happening.
I'm sure there's some of my own projection in those messages,
but you know, everybody says that it's pertinent to their life,
and they're not general statements. They're pretty specific. Because I
did look back and I thought, you know, could this
apply to anybody? So that started happening, and is I

(46:18):
started to, you know, develop my skill. I'm really enjoying
drawing these portraits. One morning, I was not in a
good mood, you know, I was just kind of kind
of grumpy, and I decided, well, I'm just gonna start
drawing because it always makes me feel better. And as
I started drawing this, this portrait, this face of a

(46:40):
gray et sort of started coming taking shape and I
had to put sunglasses on his face, and I'm going
this looks really weird, you know, e tea with sunglasses.
It doesn't fit. So I went to erase the sunglasses
and then this voice popped in my head with don't
erase those, it makes me look cool. And so that's

(47:01):
when I realized that I was talking to Zark, who
is the tall gray from the Council of Eight, and
he has an amazing sense of humor. Okay, as I
was drawing this portrait of him, I connected with him.
I mean, he totally cheered me up. The drawing ultimately

(47:26):
turned out with him wearing a hat on backwards because
after the sunglasses, this image pup. He put this image
in my head with him wearing a baseball hat, you know, backwards,
with the sunglasses, looking really cool and holding a light bulb.
And the light bulb is a reminder that one of
the factors of enlightenment is for us to lighten up

(47:50):
on ourselves. So with this light bulb, and I had
so much fun doing that. It was totally unexpected. After that,
you know, I mean, I showed my drawing to Kevin,
who knows Zark, and he said that that's exactly what.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Zark is like.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
The sense of humor was unusual because you know, based
on my other experience with Grace, they don't have any emotions,
they don't have a sense of humor. They're very, very flat.
But Zark is really funny. He has a really great
sense of humor. And then after that, other beings from
the Council of Eights started showing up. I think the

(48:33):
one I drew after Zark was Dee, who was an Arcturian.
She's an Ort's partner, and she came through. It was
like a completely different experience, a completely different being.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
You know.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
She had a very different attitude from Zark and insisted
on having specific details in her portrait, like the Arcturis constellation,
and so that was interesting. After that, Or showed up
and I drew his, and so one by one, these
beings started connecting with me, and I was drawing their

(49:14):
portraits and sharing these with Kevin and the rest of
my Exo Counties group. And Kevin was really just blown away.
I mean, he's using my drawings now and his interviews
when he tells his stories, you know, he brings those
portraits along. What I told Kevin is that you know,
I don't know if the images that I draw, if

(49:37):
they are actually the way these beings look because he
has seen them face to face. That's just how they
feel to me. And it is pretty remarkable that I
do get, if not the entire face, at least certain
parts of the portrait are indeed very similar to what

(49:59):
the being looks like. In other words, Kevin was able
to recognize who I drew even before I said I
told him what the name was. It was pretty clear.
So that was very, very encouraging, and that's how that's
been progressing. Really. As I was drawing these portraits of

(50:22):
the Council of Eight, ort kept coming and encouraging me
to share them with other people. He encouraged me to
put them on social media. And I had been on
Facebook years before, and I abandoned it just because of
all the negativity, and I really wasn't looking forward to
putting up my artwork out there for other people to

(50:43):
come and on it. But he assured me it was
going to be a good thing, and sure enough, I
started posting their portraits, and I was blown away by
the response that their portraits received from people who connected
with these beings, and I realized that these beings actually

(51:03):
used those portraits to project their own energy into our reality.
And that's what people were connecting with is you know,
they had a visual that could go with the energy
that being actually put out towards people. And there were
messages that Org gave me to share with everybody about

(51:24):
you know, first contact and the reveal as Kevin calls it,
and that really blossomed into me drawing more portraits for
more people, until it got so overwhelming because it takes
me a couple of weeks at least do a portrait,
and that's if that's all I do. So I've taken

(51:46):
a little break from that and now I am working
on three D models of ets. I started doing that.
It's almost like the drawings were two dimensions, know, and
as beautiful as they were, they were flat. And it
feels like we've reached this stage where we're moving up

(52:09):
a dimension. So I'm going from two D to three
D with my art. And yeah, I do have one
that I just finished if you want me to, if
you want to show it, I mean, I can share
with you if you would like. But I'm gonna try
to see try my hand at sculpting, you know, and

(52:30):
see how he how see how that turns out.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Yeah, it's exciting. Yeah it is. Uh, could you get
into the specifics about the Council of Eight, what the
job functions are, who are they?

Speaker 2 (52:48):
I wasn't able to connect in the same way with
all of the beings. In other words, I really connected
a lot with Ort and the zark d I've never
connected her with her since then, It's like she showed
up for a portrait, she was around, gave me what
the information, and she's she's been gone. I haven't connected

(53:08):
with her at all. Raw you could, I mean, I
could totally tell that his like Kevin says, his energy
is tremendous and so he had quite the presence. You
could definitely tell that he was in charge of it all. Chica,
the praying Manti is my friend actually that I've developed

(53:30):
a relationship with. Very Wise has a you know, very teacher.
They're they're all teachers in a sense. They do have
other things that they do on the side. Like Arla,
for example, she's a healer and I'm sorry, Arna is

(53:50):
a healer, and Orla is a bioengineer. And I didn't
I was not able to just like if I hadn't known
from Kevin that she was a bioengineer. I would have
just been able to perceive this sort of scientific, clinical
vibe that she puts out. She is a scientist in

(54:11):
the way that she thinks and how she comes across,
but I would not have been able to specifically say, oh,
it's bioengineering. I'm sorry about that. I could tell that
Zark was actually more forthcoming with the information. I knew
he was a propulsion systems engineer because that phrase popped

(54:31):
into my head when I was drawing him, and I
didn't know that about him, and I told Kevin, He's like, yeah,
he is a propulsion systems engineer and a mathematician. So
I think maybe we hit it off because I used
to be a math teacher. It's so we share a
love of math. I am sure his understanding of math
is somewhat different from mine, but you know, and yeah,

(54:55):
each one of them comes across very differently, and I
am able to pick up on, you know, some one
of the essence of what their interest is because the
jobs that they take are truly jobs that they These
are things that they love to do. It's part of
who they are, you know. It's not like we have

(55:18):
here where I'm working at McDonald's. So that's going to
show in my aura field most people don't necessarily want
to work at McDonald's. Not that there's anything wrong with McDonald's,
but I think you get you get.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
My point, so let me so I'll pull up the
some of the images that you sent me and let's
talk about Can you talk about that Bao Bob Beao Bob.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Yes, he was actually one of the first first few
drawings that I that I that I drew, and he
is in pencil because I wasn't quite comfortable to start
with with colors yet. But he is a hybrid, actually
he is a human gray hybrid, and he chose his

(56:07):
own name. They apparently they choose their names when I
guess they are in a place where they can make
that decision. And the reason he chose Bayobob, this humongous
tree is because even though he may look small, he
is a lot bigger than he looks, is what he
told me. And he is actually interesting, if I remember correctly.

(56:29):
He's interested in plants, biology and things of that nature
and things that grow. I sort of got this agricultural
feel from him as far as growing crops and growing
plants that we eat and I got the sense that
he was on a ship with others just like him,

(56:51):
where the caretakers were Grays, and I suspect he is
a prime act of a hybridization program that for some
people is controversial. I don't particularly have a problem with it,
but yeah, that's that's how I connected with him really

(57:15):
out of the blue. I just got out my pad
and I started drawing, just to see what comes out,
and then all of a sudden, this being starting to
take shape, and I, you know, connected with him that way.
He's very very sweet. I mean, he's just and I
tried to convey that in his portrait. He's just really

(57:38):
really really sweet and kind to a fault. I there's
not a single mean bone in his body. I don't
think he's even capable of mean thoughts. It's very very
you know, innocent, but not naive. He really has quite

(57:59):
a bit of wisdom. Even though he seems, I mean
he looks like a child, he's not very old. He
is much more mature than his chronological age, or then
a child in the same age or human child would be.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Did you ever share with you the reasons why the
Grays were hybridizing their own with human human genetics.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
He didn't specifically tell me, but I was able to
find out from just my other experiences. In general, the
Grace look at the physical form very differently than we do.
We have a tendency to identify with our bodies and

(58:45):
are very protective of them, where the Grace perceived them
as more of like a like a meat suit that
you occupy for a while, sort of like we have cars,
you know. I get in my car and I drive,
but I am not my car. My car serves a function,
a purpose, it takes me places, or like a scuba suit,
I need the gear, you know, to go swimming. So

(59:08):
that's how the Grace look at the physical body. And
what's happening is they are actually, from what I understand,
trying to help humanity evolve to the next level of consciousness. Well,
this next level of consciousness requires a physical body that

(59:31):
has a slightly higher frequency than our current physical shape
physical body now in order to accommodate the consciousness or
the soul I guess you could say of a being
who has who's you know, can experience a higher level
of consciousness than what we typically experience in human form.

(59:53):
So these hybrids are actually I guess own in order
to sort of accommodate this extra you know, this new
step towards a higher level of consciousness. It's not I mean,
I've heard people say that, oh, they're going to invade

(01:00:15):
and they're going to wipe out the human race. It
has nothing to do with that at all. That is,
that's not their motivation, that is not their agenda. It's
really a very positive and helpful thing that that they're doing,
trying to introduce new DNA so that, you know, we

(01:00:38):
can continue to evolve and accommodate more than what our
physical body can accommodate now, because our physical shape is
very it's it's bound to three D reality, it's very heavy.
The vibrations of it, and especially the foods that we eat,

(01:00:58):
especially in the West World, they certainly don't help to
raise our frequency. But in order for us to continue
to evolve, we do need higher frequency bodies. And it's
going to be a slow transitional process. It's not like
all of a sudden, these hybrids are going to be

(01:01:20):
here and we're going to start, you know, blending with them.
This is going to take a long, long, long time,
long time. In the same way that the Atunaki introduced
their DNA at the very beginning, you know, with to
the bipeds, the primates whatever they were that were native

(01:01:41):
to Earth at the time, and that took a long time.
The way we are now is not the way. We're
not the same humans that came out of the Ananachy
test tubes. You know, we've changed quite a bit over time.
So that's kind of the process. That's that's how I
understand it at least. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Thanks. You sent me a drawing called a being called aang.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Oh yes, aang oh yes, uh, he's a pregnantis. He
is a teacher, a medicine teacher. Now, while I was
drawing him, he had a bunch of messages for a
specific person that I had only met once at the

(01:02:25):
C five. In fact, at that specific my first C
five at my friend's house. And you know, the only
reason I had his name is Nick, by the way,
just so that I don't keep referring to him as
that person. I had Nick's phone number in my phone
because he shared with me a photo that he had
taken of a UFO and I really wanted to have

(01:02:48):
that on my phone so I could bring it home
and share with my husband, So I did have his
phone number, and as I'm drawing this being, I have
this urge to send this information to Nick. Now, mind you,
we've met once, never spoke on the phone. You know,
we obviously met very briefly at that C five. So

(01:03:09):
I started sending him texts and I told him, you know,
I don't know what's going on, but I've never done
this before. I'm drawing this being and supposedly he is
coming through for you specifically. And as I'm drawing and
I'm sharing with him these messages, he's just like blown
away by what he's hearing because it totally resonates with

(01:03:32):
him and it actually is was relevant to what was
going on in his life at the time. Several months later,
he texted me back and said that he had his
Akashic record read by somebody and it completely validated all
of the information that I has shared with him while

(01:03:54):
I was drawing this being. So aang is. Like I said,
he's a planned medicine teacher, is what he really is.
And that's why, you know, he so looks kind of
sort of psychedelic, you know, with all of the patterns

(01:04:15):
around his face. I'm not sure why he reminded me
of an ayahuasca ceremony. I've never done ayahuasca. I mean,
I know what it is, and I've watched documentaries, but
that's about the extent of my experience. And apparently my
friend Nick is really I don't know if he's had

(01:04:35):
the experience since we've last talked, but he was actively
researching that topic at the time I was drawing this
for him, so you know, it was like this teacher
came through before he even had the experience. So I'm
not sure how that turned out for him, but I

(01:04:55):
probably should ask him next time I see it interesting.
It'd be very interesting to see what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
You talked briefly about a being called called Arla.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Yes. Arla, Yeah, she is a tall white she's the
bioengineer with translucent hair that was hard to draw, and
she's one of the Council of Eight. I have not
interacted with her beyond her portrait, and I actually had

(01:05:29):
a really difficult time connecting with her until what I
actually had to do is I had to cheat a
little bit. At first, I printed a portrait of her
that was in Kevin Briggs's book. You know, he has
other people have drawn the Council of Eight. So I
printed her portrait and I'm trying to like trace over

(01:05:51):
her face to try to get a sense for who
she is. And I realized this, you know, her face
is coming into into view, that my top range of
my frequency is her bottom range, and the overlap between
my frequency in hers was really pretty thin. In other words,

(01:06:16):
she vibrated such a high frequency that it was difficult
for me to perceive her because my frequency doesn't go
high enough. So I ended up having to connect with
her when I was meditating, and you know, my mind
was more calm, and that's when I connected with her,
and that's when I was actually able to draw her.

(01:06:38):
So she didn't come through while I was drawing per se.
I mean, I kind of had a feeling that she
was there, but a lot of her information came through
while I was meditating. So that's how, you know, that's
how she came to be. She worked with another member
of my Exo Conscious group on a project, a clutter

(01:06:59):
of project that was the Council of Eight and other
dimensional beings in our group. There have been a lot
of interviews he gave about the process, and if anybody's interested,
just go to I think it's exoconscious humans dot com
and all of that information is there, including all the
portraits of the Council of Eight.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Drawing about a blue Alian I believe called Arna Arna.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Yes, she is also from the Council of Eight. She
was fun to connect with. She's a healer. And at
first when I first drew her, I drew her a
beak going all the way up into her forehead, you know,

(01:07:47):
like a duck. It goes goes all the way up
to their eyes. And while I was meditating, she came
and very clearly and adamantly said, my beak does not
look like that. It's actually a lot shorter, and it's
basically just you know, the lips, our lips, I guess,

(01:08:07):
formed into a beak per se using you know, that
sort of cartilage. So it's not her nose and her
mouth together, it's just her mouth. So I had to
go back and fix my drawing, and you know, draw
over the orange beak. You can kind of see that
there's a slight difference in the color that's right between

(01:08:28):
her eyes. That's because I fixed it. But it kind
of looks cool, you know. The highlight makes it look
a little a little better, but anyway, yeah, she had
a really interesting personality and love's symbols. She So, there's
some symbols in my drawing. They're kind of difficult to see.

(01:08:49):
There's actually, I think it's universal symbols for the for
male and female. Kevin Briggs shared those with me and
I included them in my drawing, but they're very tiny, small. However,
the pink writing around her her portrait, she wanted me
to write something in light language. I have no idea

(01:09:13):
what I wrote, but that was written under her guidance.
I was happy when I wrote it. It seemed, you know,
very uplifting and very positive. And she confirmed something that
I had been suspecting for a long time, is that
symbols actually activate things in our consciousness. Everything that we

(01:09:42):
look at really does affect us physically. And I can
attest to this because during meditation, you know, when I
go into deep meditation, I recognize that truly my physical
form is composed of my thought, my memories, my mind.

(01:10:02):
There's all of these things. It actually we are literally
because we think in a sense, so everything that we
perceive translates into these vibrations, these frequencies that do affect
our bodies, and they can what's the word I'm looking

(01:10:23):
for when you start something up, not initiate to escaping
me at the moment, activate there it is. Images can activate,
especially symbols can activate things that are dormant in our
DNA and in our consciousness. So, as I was drawing her,

(01:10:44):
I actually started speaking light language and remembered that that
was when I was a little girl. I would do that.
I spoke light language. I would stand in front of
the mirror and I would speak. You know, I would
look at myself as I was speaking it, and I
remember how happy I was until my mother walked in
on me one time, and I was so embarrassed. I

(01:11:06):
never did it again, but I went back to it
while I was drawing her, and you know, it came
in and then it faded away. So I guess I
don't need to speak speak light language anymore. But I
did record myself, so I'm glad that. I'm glad that
I did that. I really like the way her drawing
came out with the colors. It really captures her vibrant personality,

(01:11:29):
and I'm very proud of the feathers. The feathers came
out really good.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
You drew a beautiful picture of a being called Ava.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Oh yes, she's actually the first portrait I ever drew,
the first portrait I ever drew. She is an Arcturian
energy healer. She's a teacher. She actually trained me. I
told you about that that download I head at the

(01:12:01):
meditation center with all the symbols. Well, after that happened,
along with the telekinesis, came this ability to heal with
energy that all of a sudden, just I had like
the urge to start doing this. And I was practicing
on myself at first, and I recognized, holy cow, I

(01:12:25):
have an injured right knee that hurts when I walk
too long, and I can actually make the pain stop.
And that blew my mind. So the next my first
patient was actually my mom, who with fibromyalgia and chronic
fatigue and Crohn's disease, and I think she has all

(01:12:48):
of the autoimmune diseases that are known to man. Unfortunately,
and after I did, I don't even know what I did.
For about thirty minutes, she claimed to have no pain.
That lasted for a couple of days, and then gradually
it came back. But what was happening while I was

(01:13:11):
doing this is I felt this Arcturian, this ava that
it was almost like we were in sync, occupying the
same physical space. In a sense, our hearts were in sync,
as if they were like one sort of overlapped over

(01:13:33):
each other. I guess our energy fields were intertwined, overlapped
over each other. And I was moving my hands or
my arms. She was actually moved. She was doing the movement,
and I was allowing myself to move according to how
she was moving. It reminded me of when I used
to dance with my dad and I would dance on

(01:13:54):
his tit, on his toes, on his feet. I put
my feet on his feet, and he would be walking
king and I would be, you know, dancing along with him.
Based on how the steps that he took, I would
take the same steps. That's what it reminded me of it.
And it was that feeling of being loved and supported

(01:14:15):
and just cherished that I felt like I mattered and
this was important what I was being taught. It was
profound and very very intense to actually feel for the
first time that an extraterrestrial, she's an Arcturian, saw that

(01:14:41):
much value in me. I mean, you know, I've grown
since then, and I've learned to appreciate myself in different ways,
and I'm a lot, much a lot more healthy now
as I'm starting to feel more and more like a
like a whole person. But that experience that I had
with her teaching me how to practice what I call

(01:15:02):
Arturian reiki was really amazing. The emotional connection that I
had with her was pretty mind blowing. I mean, I
couldn't help but just relax into her energy field so
that she could move however things needed to be moved,

(01:15:22):
and she taught me how to use my intention as
well as movement to I don't even know how it works,
to be honest with you, but I guess I don't
need to know. And I've practiced on my mom a
couple of times, and every time it's the same result. Unfortunately,
it's temporary, you know, it fades away after a couple

(01:15:46):
of days. And I practiced on my husband. I've practiced
on my dog that my dog can't really give me
any feedback, but my husband does and he noticed a
difference too. So I don't get this sense that I
have to open a business practicing Arcturian reiki. But for
some reason this ability is I get the sense that

(01:16:08):
it's going to become more important later on, and I'm
not sure why, but it was important that I knew
how to do that. And again, like I said, we
have these teams of beings who sort of come and go.
And once I learned she left, She's like you don't
find on your own now, and that was it. So yeah,

(01:16:31):
she was the very first being that I drew.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Yeah about the being called Bob, A great.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Bob, oh, the gray Bob was that the black and
white okay, all right, dead drawing actually turned into something
else later on. I didn't know it at the time,
but I was actually drawing Zark. This is long before

(01:17:02):
I had met Kevin. And the reason I know it
was Zark is because that phrase the propulsion systems engineer
came into mind when I was drawing that, and I
didn't name him. Bob whoever I was drawing, said my
name is not Bob, but I really want to be

(01:17:23):
called Bob. And I had this image of this et
with the pocket protectors and the pencils. You know that
the your typical you know nerdish, look, your your typical
you know rocket scientists at NASA from the fifties that
we've seen in the movies, and so that's that's how

(01:17:44):
that started out. It wasn't a specific being that I knew.
It was actually the first time that I drew the
face of an extraterrestrial. So Ava was the first tea
that I drew that actually knew. And that drawing that
you're referring to with Bob, that was I remember, I

(01:18:07):
was watching a video at the time how to draw
the face of an et, and so that's how that developed.
But eventually it turned into something else because when I
drew Zark, I didn't make the connection with the first drawing.
It took a while, so I changed that drawing into
something else. It's not it's not that anymore. But I'm

(01:18:29):
glad I took a picture of it because now I
you know that way, I still have it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
You you sent me. It's like three drawings of cheek
of the Manta. Believe that, yeah, but that being the
the manta that came to you earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
On Yeah yeah, yeah, chikas from the from the Council
of Eight and and we have grown to be really
really good friends. So the drawing just sort of evolved though,
I think the one where it's like the full figure,

(01:19:04):
that one that's I think that was the first one
that I drew. Yeah, that was the first one that
I drew of him, because he showed up again during
a meditation course and surprised me.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
I was.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Meditating and I felt I used to get panic attacks
when I meditated, not in daily life, but direct well.
I meditated and it was very difficult to work through them,
and so I felt this panic attack rising during meditation,
and all of a sudden, out of the blue, this
being showed up and said, gotcha, as if I was

(01:19:43):
falling off a cliff into despair, which is what it
was feeling like. The panic was like I was falling
into this dark abyss. And just like that, like he
flipped the switch, the fear turned into overwhelming compassionate love,
and I don't get panic attacks anymore. During meditation. I

(01:20:04):
feel this overwhelming compassion love. It's almost like he rewired
my brain somehow in that moment, and it was very surprising,
and I wanted to portray him somehow in a way
that felt kind and gentle. Because I didn't see his face,

(01:20:27):
I got the sense that he was a mantis being,
but I didn't have a clear understanding of his face.
What really resonated with me was the purple, like a
purple shimmering scarf, like a purple metallic And obviously the
drawing that I did doesn't quite capture that, but it's

(01:20:47):
purple at least, and so yeah, and I wanted to,
you know, convey his He felt very elegant and real,
and though I didn't see him, I did get to
see his face later on, and that's when the drawing
where it's just his face with all of the white

(01:21:11):
and gray doodles around him. That's what I saw. Actually,
when I first saw his face. In my mind's eye,
I was just watering my plants on my balcony, minding
my own business, and all of a sudden, in my
mind's eye there's this huge bug head with the mandibles open.

(01:21:33):
I mean, the image is horrifying, but simultaneously there's this
feeling of being loved, intense feeling of this being is
loving me. And I knew that this was not my
imagination number one, because I was wide awake in number two,
because I would never connect that horrible image of a

(01:21:59):
bug about to eat meat with the sense of feeling
love those two. You know that just does. It's not
something I would naturally do, and so that's how I
knew that there was a presence there in my mind.
And what followed afterwards was pretty spectacular. For a good

(01:22:19):
thirty minutes, I actually felt my consciousness. I felt how
infinite my consciousness is, and how everything that I perceive
from palm trees, the grass, the cars is actually made
of my own consciousness. I got to understand how all

(01:22:45):
of my reality is a reflection of myself. And I'm
not even talking about my consciousness. I'm talking a reflection
of all Laura. I don't have that understanding and this
moment when I'm speaking about it, but it was absolutely
mind blowing. In fact, I was so intense I came

(01:23:06):
in back inside from the balcony to tell my husband
that I don't know what's happening to me, but it
feels like I'm getting enlightened or something. I had no
idea what to do with that, but it was very enjoyable,
very mind opening. And that's why I really love Chico,

(01:23:31):
because I've had those types of experiences with him a
few times. Several times. Sometimes I'm just in my car
waiting to pick up my kids from school, and all
of a sudden, the universe opens up and there's Chica.
You know. The last time I saw him was actually

(01:23:52):
this past gosh, it was in November again. I was
a meditation course and he popped in my mind while
I was met a to just to say hello. I
haven't seen him in a while. But when I walked
back to my room, I couldn't believe it. Right outside
my door on the ground there was an actual praying
mantis and it was big. It was like this big.

(01:24:14):
I had never seen one in the wild, and this
was in Georgia, so they're they're native to that part
of the part of the country. They liked that climate.
And I took a picture of it. He was looking
right at me. It's like he turned his head as
he saw me walking. He was huge and was looking
right at me as I took his picture, and I knew,

(01:24:37):
I knew that that was you know, Chica in mantis
form in three D. It was so sweet of him.
I mean I just started crying, you know. It was Yeah,
it was very very very sweet, very sweet. I love Chica.
He's pretty awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
You I talked briefly about Ort and d I believe
being a couple.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Yeah yeah, I only know this because Kevin said so.
But interestingly enough, I sat down to start drawing Ort.
After I finished, Zark and Dee actually popped in and
said he can wait his turn. She sort of brushed
him off. I'm here, I have the time for you. Now,

(01:25:23):
let's just do this and get it done. And so
that's you know how she came across very no nonsense,
very pragmatic, and he is much more emotional and empathetic.
And I'm not saying that she's not She's not mean
by any means, but she's very pragmatic, very to the point,

(01:25:45):
very direct, where Ort feels so much more emotional and
overwhelmingly loving and supportive. They make a good They make
a good payer. I think they balance one another out.
I wouldn't know, because I am not privy to you know,
their relationship, but they are very very different personalities, and

(01:26:06):
I can see how you know together they make they
make a good team. But I have interacted a lot
more with Ort than I have than I have with d.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
You sent me an image about a joy ride with Tia.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Oh yeah, yeah. Tia is another being that Kevin is
familiar with and Tia is a pilot, and prior to
meeting Kevin, a couple of years before I met Kevin,
I had this incredibly lucid dream where I was learning

(01:26:46):
how to fly a UFO using my consciousness or my mind,
and there was a gray next to me, a short
gray next to me who didn't have ears. I don't
know why I drew ears on him in my drawing.
I guess maybe look a little cutter. In any case,
the panel, the instrument panel in my dream didn't have

(01:27:12):
all the knobs and all the buttons and everything. But
I didn't know how I was to convey the message
that I was actually flying this ship. All it had
was these pads where you could place your your hand
to I guess, connect with the ship. Now. The problem
I had was that there was space for four fingers

(01:27:34):
and not a thumb, because they only had they have
four fingers, so my thumb wasn't in the the whatever
this this thing was into in the pads in my dream.
But I did have my four fingers in there, and
I could feel that I could direct the ship using
my intention, my clear intention and focus. The problem is

(01:27:57):
like every other human I have a monkey that likes
to jump from topic to topic, and Tia made it very
clear that I really have to be in control of
my mind and my emotions otherwise. He put this image
in my mind of fly, of flying around like a
drunken fly, you know, in circles just aren't going everywhere. Uh.

(01:28:20):
And I realized and appreciated how the grace because they
don't have this burden of being distracted by emotions. They
are razor. They have razor sharp focus and are completely
just observed into whatever it is that they do. One

(01:28:45):
of my youngest son has Aspergers. He's on the autism spectrum,
and he is very much into whatever he's doing at
the moment. And that's what Tia reminded me of. He
actually reminded me of somebody with autistic tendencies. I mean,
he's just because he showed me how to do this

(01:29:06):
before him. And I was like, oh my gosh, I
don't think that I can quite my mind to that degree,
and obviously I didn't, but I really got to appreciate
what a gray he shared. I guess his mind with
me so that I would have an understanding. He taught
me mine to mind telepathically, so to speak. In other words,

(01:29:28):
it was him flying the ship and he shared with
me his thought process and his state of being. Actually,
that's a better explanation, so that I could imitate or
try to imitate that state of being, because that's what
it took to fly, to fly the UFO. And so

(01:29:49):
that's why I called it joy ride is because you know,
I got to drive somebody else's vehicle. And the image,
you know, with the Earth and all the other UFOs,
that was not what was out the window. There was
really nothing out the window, was just stars. But I
just kind of wanted to show that the feeling of

(01:30:12):
feeling at home, you know, Earth is like it's home,
and so that was how I was feeling with Tia
when I was learning this. It was fun and exciting
and I felt at home. Yeah, and home is in
a UFO. How about that?

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
Yeah? Who's the being called John.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
John? John is a hybrid. Actually, that drawing of Bob
that you brought up earlier, that's the drawing that turned
into John John is one of another hybrid that I
connected with during a C five. I was doing on

(01:30:54):
my balcony once and I got the sense that he
knew Bushar somehow there was a connection between him and Bashar.
Now I know that I connected with him because as
I was doing my C five and I feel like,
you know, I'm wondering, is this my own thinking? Am

(01:31:14):
I making it up? This being this John? And I'm
looking at the sky, and all of a sudden, it's
like three flashbulbs. Right the portion of the sky was
where I was looking. So that's how I got confirmation
that I wasn't making it up, and there it was
just what I interpreted the space where he was to

(01:31:39):
look like. There are a number of different symbols there.
It's like you see where the hands, you know, that's
how you steer the spaceship with the four fingers, and
then there are there's like it looks like they're flags
or symbols, you know, with the I think over on
the left, if I remember directly, there's the black and

(01:32:02):
red and white that represents the Orion Star system, and
then there's another one that's gray, black, gray and white,
and that's for the Gray Federation. And there's a few
other symbols in there that represent the Electorians and the
Pleiadians and Sirius and the Anunaki. I think that one's

(01:32:25):
way down at the bottom. And those were symbols that
I saw when I watched one of Bushar's transmissions. He
was talking about all of these different civilizations, trying to
put our place in the universe. I guess in context,
and he said, Bouchar said that these symbols, when we

(01:32:48):
look at them and we engage with them, he called
them the phone numbers for that particular civilization. In other words,
if you look at the symbol for the Pleiadian, which
is the seven white circles inside a big blue circle,
that conveys the frequency of the Pleiadian civilization, and you

(01:33:10):
can connect with those beings through that through that frequency
the way in other words, it's it's how that fe
that symbol feels when you look at it. At least
that's how I understand it. It's like I try to
feel it, and whatever vibration, whatever frequency I create in
my own mind from what I'm looking at, helps me

(01:33:33):
to connect with that specific civilization. So I put those
in there because I wanted to convey the idea of connecting.
There's a sense of connect connection among all of the
different civilizations that are represented in that drawing plus more

(01:33:55):
because the C five that when I did the C
five by myself or my balcony, and I truly felt
connected to everybody during that time. It was like all
of these different star families were all right there, and
I was somehow connected to all of them. In other words,

(01:34:16):
my family is a Pleaadians, and I also have a
family with the Arcturians. You know, I've noticed that many
people will say, Oh, I'm an Eracturian or I'm a Pleadian,
and I don't identify myself that way. I am a mutt.
I am a little bit of everything at least at

(01:34:37):
least that's how I feel. That's how I feel.

Speaker 1 (01:34:41):
Are you aware of any of your siblings or like
relatives have had these types of experiences before.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
I shared my experiences with my dad and he told
me it reminded him of an experience that he had
when he was when he was young. He was in
a classroom getting ready to take a final exam for math,
and all of a sudden, he wasn't in the classroom anymore.

(01:35:12):
He was standing outside in front of the school. This
is after I told my dad about that experience. When
I was washing my hands in the kitchen. I ended
up in the bathroom, and he said that he ended
up failing that exam. He had to take it again
because when he found himself outside the building, it was
afternoon and the test was in the morning. Now, he

(01:35:37):
only remembers that happening to him once, But I suspect
that's not how things go. If that happens to me once,
you're probably a frequent flyer. You know wherever it is
that that you're going. So my dad remembered that. I
think that he might probably recall other things if I

(01:36:00):
were to push it, maybe, but he didn't seem all
that comfortable with having that memory. Now my children haven't
said anything about having any experiences. But where we used
to live in our old house, we had to move
because I couldn't go up and down the stairs anymore,
and our house had two floors. So now we live

(01:36:22):
in a condo, one story condo. But in the old
house where we were, the bedroom where the children were
supposed to be sleeping, neither one of them wanted to
sleep in there. They were terrified, and they're seven years apart.
So my first born didn't want to sleep in there.
And then when the second one was born. He didn't
want to sleep in there by himself. The other bedroom

(01:36:44):
downstairs was okay, but this bedroom, for some reason, there
was something in that closet that I even I picked
up on, and they did not want to be in there.
Eventually they actually moved up into the master bedroom. They
did not want to sleep alone in a room, So
there was some going on that happened there. There was
something in that closet. I didn't get the sense that

(01:37:06):
it was anything malevolent, but I did see one night
this was this was actually really kind of scary. The
first the only thing that really scared me to the
poor it's like whoa, you know, kind of pulling away
from it. One night, when I was sleeping, my little
one was sleeping next to me. He had a cold,
so he was sleeping in my bed and he was

(01:37:28):
he woke me up because he was having a bad dream.
And when I opened my eyes, above him, this horizontally
was this thing that was floating with the skeleton head
and it looked like all tattered and wispy. It looked evil, okay,

(01:37:49):
And it turned its head to look at me like
it seemed totally unnatural, and basically said this does not
concern you. Go back to sleep. Now. What troubles me
the most about that experience is that I could not
help myself. I rolled over and I actually passed out,

(01:38:11):
and I left my child with this thing that clearly
was upsetting him in his sleep and had I couldn't
do anything about it. I mean, it literally just made
me pass out. So that never happened again after that.
But that was upsetting. None of the other experiences that

(01:38:33):
I've had with the paranormal have been upsetting. This is
the only one that was upsetting. So I'm glad we
moved from the house. To be honest with you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:42):
Yeah, wow, I've had shadow beaks and stuff like that,
paranormal stuff, but nothing bad ish.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
Yeah no, this was not even bad ish. It was
downright bad.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
Yeah. Getting back to the good stuff, then, get back
to the good stuff. About the being called oh Creti.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
O crete oh man. She was the second being that
I drew after Ava. Now I've only connected with this
being while I was drawing her, and she is another hybrid.
She is a gray and reptilian hybrid and her story
is absolutely fascinating. What she told me was that the

(01:39:32):
the grace create hybrids, not just with humans, but with
every other species that they interact with. Because these hybrids
act as liaisons between their civilizations, it's apparently a lot
easier for hybrids to sort of be the representatives of

(01:39:53):
the grave, you know, the kind of the middle ground,
so to speak. And so that's what she was. And
she was on the ship that felt like a barge, humongous, huge,
smelled absolutely horrific. Uh, this was the only time that
I actually perceived smell. And what her ship did it

(01:40:18):
was there was a ship with reptilians sort of like
the saurian kind of the dinosaur kind that stand, you know,
with the there's a difference in the hips of the
saurians and the dinosaurs. These were reptilians who went around
from planet to planet and collected decaying biomatter that was

(01:40:45):
overwhelming that particular environment, you know, like after massive wars,
you know, when there was a lot of death or
some illness you know that would wipe out civilization. They
would go and they would collect these bodies and they
would synthesize the DNA and they would trade it is

(01:41:08):
with other civilizations who are interested in bioengineering. And one
of those civilizations is the grace. They can't ever have
enough DNA and having DNA extracted from actual beings as
opposed to, you know, trying to recreate it from a pattern,

(01:41:29):
which they can do as well. That's how they ended
up looking the way they do, a copy of a
copy of a copy, you know, that's the DNA that
they prefer to have is and this is what she
told me, that they exchange DNA for technology. Those these
two civilizations, at least on that particular barge. Now they

(01:41:51):
have an incredibly immune system because they deal with this
decaying biomatter that you know, in diseases they don't get.
And that's why the Grays are interested not just in
the DNA that they collect from the surface of the planet,
but their DNA as a species themselves. And that's why

(01:42:13):
o crete was created. There was a result of that
collaboration between you know, the two of them, exchanging technology
and DNA and all of that. Now to me, it
seemed like a really morbid environment. But she was so
happy and so vibrant and uplifting and just chattery. She

(01:42:39):
just kept talking at me, and it was it was
fascinating connecting with her. I really, really enjoyed her, and
it surprised me that she was so bright and happy
in what to me seemed like this really dark and
morbid environment. She was really pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:42:57):
She was really cool, said a drawing called being called Pete.

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
Oh yes, Pete. He is an ant being actually, and
he is from the civilization that the Hopie made reference to.
And in my drawing, I tried to put in as
many Hopey symbols as I could possibly find that would

(01:43:25):
fit in the picture. So that's what those symbols are
that I drew in white. And he is actually coming
through a portal, which is what everything all the what
the rest of the drawing around him is is supposed
to represent the portal. Excuse me, now, from what I understand,

(01:43:49):
Pete was hinting at the fact that his people are
actually moving deeper underground right now because the surface is
becoming increasingly more and more chaotic, and whatever's going to
happen is going to happen, is going to pass, and
then you know, they're they're basically coming back to where

(01:44:11):
they usually are. But that was the message that I
got for him, that they was sort of retreating because
they didn't want to be involved in whatever I don't know,
and he he was pretty amazing. Other than Chica, he

(01:44:31):
was the only other insectoid that I connected with. And
what's really interesting about them, excuse me, is when we
connect to telepathically. I was also able to get a
sense of how he is connected with the rest of
his hive I guess, with the rest of his group,

(01:44:53):
the hive mind, and how that feels, and the noise
that he is able to filter through so that he
can focus on information that is relevant for him. Because
they all talk all at once, at least that's how
it seemed to me. They're constantly communicating massive amounts of

(01:45:13):
information that most of us don't even pay attention to,
Like it would be as if as you and I
are talking right now, I'm also including a description of
what I'm looking out the window. That's part of the conversation.
It's nothing to do with what we're talking about, but

(01:45:34):
it becomes part of the information that I'm sharing with you.
So you know, it seems like what appears to be
irrelevant information, but it's not. And somehow his brain can
actually process all of that. His mind process is that somehow,
I don't know how, but I got a glimpse into that,
and he was pretty fascinating. It was really pretty fascinating. Now,

(01:45:55):
Chica is not connected to a hive mind, you know,
he's a separate and unique individual, but Pete is not.
He's both an individual and he is also part of
the group in equal parts. So that was interesting. That
was really pretty interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:46:14):
Who's the being called targ.

Speaker 2 (01:46:17):
Targ Oh, he is also on the Council of Eight.
He is actually I think he's in charge of security. Yeah,
he's in charge of security for the Council of Eight
and also for our corner of the galaxy. And him,
he was busy all the time. Trying to connect with

(01:46:39):
him was difficult because he just was not available. And
so the few glimpses that I got with him, which
is why I drew him not in color, because that's
how he seemed to me. It's like he was there,
but he wasn't really there. He was busy someplace else.

(01:46:59):
But I did get a sense of him. And unlike Zark,
he doesn't have any emotions whatsoever. I mean, the perfect
poker face. You know, he's not mean in any way
or dismissive or anything like that. He just does not

(01:47:20):
have emotions. He's very analytical, you know, logical to a t.
I don't know how he functions without having any intuition.
I can't imagine how that would be like because I
rely on my intuition so much to you know, perceive
what's going on. So that was a very interesting experience
connecting with him. He was just flat and dry. So

(01:47:43):
I drew him with a smile because even though he
felt flat and dry, like a leaf, really like it
made me think of like this withered up leaf that's
just blowing in the wind with nothing to hang on to.
It was just flat, and it's the best two words
that I can come up with. But in any case,
in spite of all of that, he still felt warm somehow,

(01:48:10):
not in an emotional way, obviously not in a physical
way because we weren't physical next to each other, but
he felt warm. So I tried to draw him with
a warm smile. And I don't know to what extent
I actually captured that, but that's how he felt. It's
really difficult to describe because it does not translate well

(01:48:34):
into human emotions. Not having emotions, and so the rainbow
all around him, I didn't realize I did that because
he was black and white. I wanted to have some color,
and there was no color that I really felt drawn
to for his personality. So I put in all the colors,

(01:48:56):
you know, the rainbow, the spectrum of the of the rainbow.
And later on, when I showed this drawing to Kevin,
he told me the story about how these Grays came
to visit him on the spaceship and his wife at
the time was outside in their yard and took a
picture of this rainbow that had a UFO under it.

(01:49:19):
You can see it in the picture. And so me
drawing Zark with the rainbow. I don't know what connection
there was between Zark and the rainbow and the rainbow
and Kevin's story, but he felt there was a connection
of some sort. Kevin did, and so this is what
I'm saying. It's like, there's things that show up in

(01:49:41):
my drawings that I have no knowledge of or reason
to put in anything specific. So you know, when Kevin
brought that up, it's like, oh, yeah, that makes perfect sense.
If you also notice when you look at the drawing
of Zark, the hat he's wearing is also rainbow color.

(01:50:02):
So for some reason, in my mind, rais and rainbows
go together.

Speaker 1 (01:50:09):
Imagine that now he sent me a navida concerning an
open moonstone.

Speaker 2 (01:50:19):
Oh gosh, yes, Actually that is more like a self portrait,
which is why I use that drawing for my profile
picture on Facebook. When I first learned about Bashar and
I was absolutely fascinated by his teachings, I had this

(01:50:43):
strong sense again that I knew him somehow, but that
an aspect of myself actually exists in that civilization, as
a future self of some sort. The drowey even though
you know I did it as a self portrait, it's
actually of I guess, this version of me. She feels

(01:51:07):
like my daughter, and the way she relates to me
is is if I'm her mom. So that's why I'm
kind of interpreting that as you know, a great great
great great great granddaughter or another version of myself in
that civilization. But she is from she is Sasani, she

(01:51:27):
is from Bashar's civilization, and so that's you know, I
try to capture the capture that that vibe by putting
all of the all the symbols that are around her
in that drawings are actually from again from one of
Bashar's transmissions about uh Sacred circuits, and each one of

(01:51:48):
them has a specific meaning and a specific vibration, and
they represent different states of being that help you to
sort of, you know, reach higher levels of consciousness. But
she feels again like she is my daughter. And I
asked her what her name was, and she told me

(01:52:09):
that they don't have names, which is exactly what Butshar
said that they have frequencies. And she said that I
should name her based on whatever it is that I
remind her of what her frequency reminds me of. And
so ople was the first word that came to mind,
and then moonstone was the second word that came to mind.

(01:52:32):
So I named her Opal Moonstone. But what's interesting is
h sometimes when I connect to her, I call her Mona.
I don't know why. I don't remember Ople. I remember Mona,
so I guess she's got a first, middle, and last name.
But yeah, she is. She is Sasani, and I get

(01:52:57):
the sense that she's taking care of something of mine there.
I don't know what it is. It feels like my
body somehow, like I am in stasis and my consciousness
is here, but my body is over there. I don't know.
It's very strange, but that's That's what it feels like
to me. It's like my body is over there in

(01:53:19):
stasis and I've sort of taken a leave of absence
to be here for this experience somehow.

Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
Yeah, Ray Trippy, are you aware if you have hybrid children?

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
No, I'm not aware of that, but I do know
that I interact with them, at least as a teacher.
I had some unexplained experiences while I was trying to
get pregnant with my own children, and we ended up
actually having my second one I had to do in
vitro fertilization because I was older and things just weren't

(01:53:56):
working right. But throughout the time, Yah know for many
years that my husband I try to get pregnant, and
I would feel like I was pregnant, and then I wasn't.
You know, my period would be late, but it would
still come, and so it was weird. It felt like
I was pregnant and suddenly I wasn't anymore. And listening

(01:54:20):
to some of the descriptions of the experiences that other
women have had with having you know, their genetic material
taken up that way, there are some similarities between that
and the experiences that I was having. But I don't
have excuse me any I have made any connection with

(01:54:40):
a specific hybrid child. I have had many lucid dreams
about being a teacher at a camp where I am
surrounded by these children who look kind of human, mostly human,
who are very special, and we're hiding. This is a
recurring dream. Well, wherever this camp is is up in

(01:55:02):
the mountains, away from all civilization, and it's important that
it stays hidden. But I read to them. I've had
lost of dreams about going to look for children's books
in this facility, this underground facility, where I was being
escorted around by this person and it seemed very weird

(01:55:25):
where we were. And yeah, he took me to this
corner of this humongous warehouse where they had piled up
all these children's books and there were shelves filled with them,
and I was supposed to select books to read the children.
So there's definitely I had definitely have some connection with

(01:55:47):
the hybrid children, although that's about the extent of my
experience of that. I haven't really explored it, to be honest,
probably because I don't want to know the answer. By
why have I read children that would be kind of
I don't know, i'd have to think about that. How
I would feel I'm not sure how I would feel

(01:56:07):
about that. I'd want them here.

Speaker 1 (01:56:12):
Yeah, well let's call it a day. We've been now
this for over two hours, I think, so I know.

Speaker 2 (01:56:18):
It's been fun. I was looking at the clock. I'm going, man,
but this is a lot of fun. I love talking
about my drawings. So I really appreciate you just letting
me just go on and on.

Speaker 1 (01:56:34):
Just I really wanted to get into most of your drawings.
I know I do have a couple left. But yeah,
but we are doing.

Speaker 2 (01:56:40):
This again, some at a time.

Speaker 1 (01:56:42):
I'm good with it. Yeah. So do you offer the
like drawing services stuff like that?

Speaker 2 (01:56:49):
Not? Really. The way things evolved is once I started
putting the drawings of the Council of Eight on Facebook,
people started asking me if I would draw something for them.
They wanted to have an idea of visual of their
own et connections, and so I started doing that, and

(01:57:10):
I've done several drawings for several people. But the more
I posted them, the more people would ask me. And
I really just got overwhelmed there. I mean, I felt
like I was in a space where there were this
crowd of beings on this one side who were very

(01:57:31):
happy and excited about making connections with their human counterparts
or whatever you want to call them. And then there
was this ever increasing line of people on the other side,
who you know, were waiting for me to draw portraits
of their et counterparts. And at one point I just

(01:57:51):
started feeling overwhelmed, and so I kind of backed away
from that. And now I'm playing around with you know,
three D versions of ets, you know, playing around with sculpting,
and I am not I mean, I love drawing, Don't
get me wrong, I really really loved drawing. I would
rather draw than eat or sleep. But I think I

(01:58:15):
just kind of needed to take a little break from that.
I got overwhelmed. I don't know. You know, it's difficult
enough to learn how to sit boundaries with people, especially
for people who, you know, like us, were really empathetic
and pick up on other people's emotions, and it's hard
to tell the difference who's who and what's what. But
then I had to start learning how to set boundaries

(01:58:37):
with these beings from other dimensions that or other places,
because they were coming at me and I didn't always
have the time or inclination to connect with them, and
so yeah, I just got overwhelmed, but it was it
was fun and I'm looking for to doing that again.

(01:59:01):
I know, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna pick that up again.
Is it's fun connecting with them. They're so loving and
you know pleasant, and yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:59:09):
Do you have a closing statement or perhaps a final
story that you might want to get out?

Speaker 2 (01:59:15):
Yes, Actually I have a message that has been emphasized
to me repeatedly, especially lately, and it has to do
with telepathy. The message that I'm getting is that there

(01:59:36):
are a lot of our Star families that have been
gathering around Earth during this time. Is you know, we're
going to have disclosure or open contact. I mean, that's inevitable.
So they've been gathering around us and they're wanting to
connect with us. The easiest way for them to connect

(01:59:56):
with us now is you know, through telepathicmunication, because they've
tried to work with the government so that we could meet,
you know, in person, but things are not working out
quite the way that you know they that would work
for everyone. I guess our governments are not quite ready yet,
and I don't know that a lot of people are

(02:00:17):
ready for face to face interaction, which is exactly the
point that these ets are making, is that there are
many people out there who would be shocked. It would
be scary, and I don't want to frighten us, so
they would like to They really want to connect with
us telepathically so that we get used to the idea

(02:00:38):
that they're there and telepathic communication, especially at the beginning,
you know, it's like, am I making this up? Is
it my thoughts? Is somebody else's thoughts? I don't really know.
But regardless of whether or not we are aware of
the actual communication, what's happening is we are becoming familiar

(02:01:00):
with the presence of those beings and so when we
do meet face to face, it's going to be like, oh,
I know you. Where do I know you from? Because
we've been having this psychic connection all along, and again,
being consciously aware of it definitely helps because you can

(02:01:22):
build a relationship. You know that that works. But these
ats are not going to engage in telepathic communication without permission,
and they actually want us, those of us who are
ready and are you know, excited about having that sort
of a connection, to reach out to them and ask

(02:01:43):
for this sort of contact. So nobody is going to
try to break, you know, through our psychic barriers or
whatever you want to call it, and force their way
into our minds. That's not how it is. They're very
respectful actually of us, I think much more than some
of us are of them, which is pretty remarkable. And

(02:02:06):
they're very compassionate and the last thing they want to
do is to frighten us. So whoever you know resonates
with this idea of telepathic communication with ets on whatever
level you are comfortable with, I recommend that you know,
now is the time to seek that out, or at

(02:02:28):
least give permission if you would like, and surprising things
might happen. That's kind of what I'm being told. Plus,
it's a lot of fun to have friends in other places.

Speaker 1 (02:02:42):
I'm getting it. Yeah, all Orora, thank you so much
for coming on.

Speaker 2 (02:02:47):
Oh thank you for having me. This was a lot
of fun. I really I really enjoyed myself. I really did.

Speaker 1 (02:02:55):
You're a good ambassador for the council. So thanks. Oh good.

Speaker 2 (02:03:00):
That guys. Maybe I'll get a physical visit one of
these days instead of just in my dreams. Real.

Speaker 1 (02:03:07):
Hope we'll thank you again. And to those watching, I
hope you enjoyed today's interview. I'm your host, mister Gray.
More interviews, kean up and I will see you guys
next time. So thank you everyone, by bye. Hello everyone,
This is mister Gray and thanks for watching today's episode.
If you are an abductee, contactee, or experiencer and you
believe that your story could help others, please feel free

(02:03:27):
to contact me through my YouTube channel email. When it
comes to experiencers, THET phenomena, and the future, remember truth
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