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August 10, 2025 74 mins
Welcome Back Everyone! We have a special guest with us today. Dr Bruce E. Rapuano talks about his book "Dominion Lost: A Scientist's Own Alien Abduction Encounters" where he gets into his encounters with the Greys as a child and awaking to being on an examination table on a craft. 
He talks about implants, the UFO wave of 1965, why he chose to come out and write a book, other abductions events and more. Enjoy!

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Bruce E. Rapuano's Biography:
Dr. Bruce Rapuano is a distinguished scientist whose career has spanned multiple disciplines, from molecular biology to astrophysics. Bruce is not only a respected researcher and academic, but he's also an author with a truly unique story to tell. His latest book, "Dominion Lost: A Scientist's Own Alien Abduction Encounters", is a compelling and provocative account that challenges our understanding of reality and explores the intersection of science and the paranormal.
This bombshell nonfiction book, recently discussed by the author with George Knapp on Coast to Coast AM, is the only first-person account to date of UFO alien abductions authored by a mainstream American scientist. 
The author, who has multiple degrees in neuroscience, goes on the record regarding his incredible and fascinating experiences with UFO close encounters, including a very close encounter during which he was abducted from a group of eight other witnesses, interactions with alien beings and an unexplained nasal implant of specific structure all of which were consciously recalled without regressive hypnosis. 
This is the story of a mainstream scientist’s own interactions with the highly advanced alien beings who abducted him and at least thousands of other people.
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello everyone, and welcome back to another chapter of Experience
Her Interviews. And today we've got another amazing soul coming
to us from the US. We have doctor Bruce Rapuano
on board today. Doctor Bruce is a distinguished scientist whose
career has spanned multiple disciplines, from molecular biology to astrophysics.

(00:36):
Bruce is not only a respected researcher and academic, but
he's also an author with a truly unique story to tell.
His latest book, Dominion Lost, a scientist's on alien production Encounters,
is a compelling and provocative account the challenges our understanding
of reality and explores the intersection of science and the paranormal.
This bombshell nonfiction book, recently discussed by the author with

(01:00):
George Knapp on Coast to Coast a m is the
only first person account to date of a UFO alien
abductions authored by a mainstream American scientist. The author, who
has multiple degrees in neuroscience, goes on their record regarding
his incredible and fascinating experiences with UFO close encounters, including
a very close encounter during which he was abducted from

(01:20):
a group of eight other witnesses. Interactions with alien beings,
and an unexplained nasal implant of specific structure, all of
which were consciously recalled without regressive hypnosis. This is the
story of a mainstream scientist on interactions with the highly
advanced alien beings who abducted him and at least thousands
of other people. So, Bruce, thank you so much for

(01:43):
coming on, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
It's a pleasure to meet you and be with you
here today on your wonderful podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Thank you to well. Considering your background, why did you
decide to open up about your experiences? Because we know that,
you know, the subject can be easily it can impact
our careers and how other people view us.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
I've been, you know, considering doing this for a long time,
for decades. You know. I started connecting the dots in
terms of, you know, figuring out what what my experience
has meant my early experiences and I didn't really know
what was the cause of them until I began in

(02:31):
the eighties, mid eighties, late eighties, early nineties reading these
great UFO abduction books by pioneering investigators like doctor John Mack.
The Harvard psychiatrist Bud Hopkins, of course, one of the
groundbreaking investigators in this field, and David Jacobs, and I

(02:51):
just was stunned at, you know, and reading the accounts
of hundreds and even thousands of people that claimed they
were abducted by ET's or aliens, how closely their experiences,
almost to the last detail, apparently my own. That's when
I finally figured out the phenomenon of alien abduction was real,

(03:13):
at least in America. I was reading about American investigations
of American accounts of alien abduction, not only that it
was real, but it happened to me. But I was,
you know, at that time, at the start of my
career as a biomedical research scientist. I was working at
the top cancer research center in America, Memorial Sloan Kettering

(03:36):
Cancer Center in New York, and I'd just gotten grant funding.
And I, you know, at that time, Whitley Streamer publishes
for first book, Communion. So there was an explosion of
interest in this new I call it EPI phenomenon in
ufology known as alien abduction. And I wondered, could I report,

(03:59):
Could I tell my own story by publishing a magazine
article or a book. But I didn't think I would
be able to sustain my career because I can't imagine.
I couldn't imagine that, you know, my colleagues and the
people reviewing my grand applications at the NIH would take
too kindly to be publishing a book as a mainstream,

(04:20):
you know, scientist about alien abduction. So I kind of
kept my story to myself. Can't great reading books about
UFOs and the topics of a topic of contact with
ets for the next few decades until you know, fast
forward to twenty fifteen, twenty seventeen, when you know, the

(04:47):
story by Ralph fulethal Unleslie Kane and the New York
Times came out with these incredible signings by the US
Navy pilots of what were clearly non U and aircraft
or spacecraft. And again this started the current era of disclosure,

(05:08):
and I felt this was appropriate time for me to
come forward as the first mainstream American scientist to go
on the record by publishing book, publishing a book describing
his abduction experiences. And it was certainly a good time
in terms of this impending the disclosure from you know,

(05:28):
at least from the American government that we're all waiting for.
But secondly, comes in a time in my career where
I'm more established, and you know, I feel that it's
not going to have such a detrimental effect on my livelihood,
career and also on the careers of my colleagues. So

(05:49):
this is why I felt now was such an appropriate
time for me to come forward and publish this book.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
You get into your scientific background, really, you know the
specifics and you know the fields he actually studied.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
So the question is about my background.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, everything that you uh, your degree, and.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
It's it's just it's such a coincidence that, you know,
one of the most compelling threads, you know, narrative threads
within the alien abduction story is is this story of implants,
and not only the implants that doctor Roger lear Will

(06:34):
moved from catless abductees which have been subjected to scientific investigation,
and know one really has come up with a persuasive
theory as to what the function of these implants might be.
But you know that all the people that had these
implants claim to be abductees. But there's also a very

(06:56):
sizeable percentage of people of abductees that have implants that
report having implants in the region of the head, the
ear behind the ear, inside of the ear canal under
the eye, but great majority of those are nasal implants.
I myself recall at an early age having a nasal implant,
being of course inducted by these short three and a

(07:19):
half to foot all humanoid beings. And coincidentally, I have
a background in neuroscience. I have a bachelor's degree in
neurobiology from the University of Pennsylvania. I also have a
PhD in neuropharmacology from the University of Connecticut. Neuropharmacology is
a study of the effects of drugs on the brain.

(07:40):
So I have this background in neuroscience that of course
causes me to have a lot of questions and motivates
me to do a lot of research and investigation into
what the possible function of these implants, particularly the nasal implants,
might be. And that's why I devot did several chapters

(08:03):
in my book to what these implants could be, whether
their what type of materials are used, whether they're standard
materials that we have that human scientists work with, or
meta materials with certain physical properties that really don't understand
how they work, what types of energies they use, and

(08:24):
what their function is in the brain. Because a lot
of up these abductees insisted their implants, although they were
introduced through the nasal cavity, were actually implanted into the brain.
And I go on in my book in one or
two of the chapters to describe how I think not
only are these implants used to monitor human brain activity,

(08:48):
but also they're used to study the human brain, to
understand it, to kind of decode it by analyzing electromagnetic
signals from all our mental activity, and and and with
the with the the main purpose of perhaps trying to
understand us for not only uh from the standpoint of

(09:13):
scientific curiosity, but one theory is that the aliens are
trying to learn about the human brain so that they're
better able to control human thought, human behavior, because they
want to be able to assert some type of influence
or control over our species and our civilization. At least

(09:34):
that's my theory.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Regarding your background and all, that must have been a
fascinating thing to be able to see your experiences through
different points of views regarding your abductions compared to somebody
who just go you know, has a calledge degree. So
it must have been a fascinating thing.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, yes, because you know all of these you know,
aspects of how the ufo UH technology works, how the
propulsion system works, what type of materials the spacecraft is
constructed from, and what the nature of the of what

(10:22):
I call a biological program of experimentation is involving human
beings and also cattle, because you know, there's some similarities
in terms of the analysis of what the cattle emulations
are all about and what the the experiments involved with
the human abduction program are all about. But there you know,

(10:45):
I'm I'm I'm interested because I have a kind of
a diverse background in biology, neuroscience, so biology and even
material science. You know, I'm interested in a variety of
questions that you grow from this from the study of
this phenomenon, and you know, particularly the biology. And I

(11:10):
was fascinated from reading Lieutenant Colonel Philip Corso's book The
Day after Roswell. He was the Intelligent Intelligence officer of
the claim that all of the debris from the crash
at Roswell was funneled into his office. Who you know,
he was the head of Foreign Technology and I guess

(11:31):
in the in the late forties and fifties, and he
not only did he claim to farm out all this
debris to industry and different academic centators centers in the
US to reverse engineer technologies such as fiber optics, night

(11:52):
vision goggles, integrated circuits. But he also had a lot
of interesting stories to tell about his He was able
to examine the grays. On one occasion he was able
to find where one of the great the bodies of
the grazers had been stored and he could examine it

(12:13):
at length. And not only that, he was able to
obtain the autopsy reports that were done by pathologists at
Walter Reed Hospital in Washington on the Grays that had
died at the crash at Rotten Roswell and reported on
so many interesting findings where the pathologists claimed that, you know,

(12:36):
the gray physiology is very similar to human physiology, but
there were a number of clear differences. The brains looked similar,
but there were such dramatic differences in other organ systems
that they had no digestive system. They had no execratory system,
no kidneys, no bladder. In examining the skin, the pathologists

(13:00):
had speculated that since there was no excratory system, no
digestive system, that the grays obtained their nutrition through the
skin somehow, and excreted waste via the same route. So,
you know, first and foremost as a biologist, I was
most interested in this type of biological analysis of the

(13:23):
alien beings themselves compared to you know, how their spacecrafts work.
And I'd describe and detail how it would be very straightforward,
given current human knowledge about molecular biology and common DNA
technology genetic engineering, for human scientists to begin to genetically

(13:44):
engineer the grays, which leads me to speculate that in fact,
that the Grays are nothing more than clones, their clones
that were genetically modified for a certain purpose, so they
can serve a certain function. And as as drones that
are under the control of some master species, alien species

(14:06):
that's using them to experiment on human beings among other things. Again,
that's one of the theories I explore explore in Dominion
Lost in terms of you know what the nature of
the grace is.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, let's talk about your book, So a Dominion Lost,
a scientists own alien abduction encounters. When you got this
book out, was it like a healing thing for you?

Speaker 2 (14:32):
It did feel like I was in burning myself, you know,
I feel like the field of uphology and alien abduction
is so incredibly fascinating at the end, to realize that
I have a story to tell that maybe you know,
is different than the story of any other abducting and
may be able to even contribute to the understanding of

(14:54):
what the phenomena is all about, very very exciting for me.
You know, I did. I did feel that, you know,
by writing the book, the finally I was able to
tell the world and tell my family, which I'd never
told anything about this my experiences, to that this had

(15:14):
happened to me. And you know, I guess I felt
this was the right thing to do, because you know,
if you have a story that you feel can help people,
that can contribute to human knowledge, particularly scientific knowledge, it
doesn't feel good to hold it back. So I think
it's a relief that I was able to do what

(15:36):
I feel was the right thing for me to do
at the right time in my you know, at my
life and career. But you know, I can't, you know,
I can't say that my experience, my experiences were anywhere
near as traumatic as a lot of up to abduct
these reports. Fortunately, so you know, it's the the the

(15:58):
gratification I feel in writing the book is you know
is based on the fact that I feel I'm in
a unique position and I'm grateful for this, that I
can contribute somehow to the understanding of this phenomenon. And
that's what that's what I'm most grateful for.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
And in chapter one, the moment that time stop, you
describe your UFO host encounter where you get abducted from
a group of eight witnesses.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
What actually happened, well, you know, it was in the summertime.
I remember the exact day, June nineteenth, nineteen sixty five.
This was the year of what at the time was
the worst blackout electrical grid blackout in American and Canadian history,

(16:50):
the Great Northeast Blackout, where thirty eight million people I
believe lost power for more than twelve hours in the
northeast US and Canada. But just two or three months
before that, that was in November. It was again a
nice well, a couple days before the beginning of summer,

(17:11):
just before dusk, and we're playing a game of kickball
in our front yard four on four, you know, a
group of eight children, ten, eleven, twelve years old, and
I was playing defense right near the street. I was
the first to see this gigantic, brilliant light out of

(17:32):
the corner of my eye was maybe at the ten
o'clock position, but I couldn't really get a good glimpse
of it because its view is partially obstructed by this
large oak tree we had in our front lawn. So I,
without telling anybody, I left the game and I walked
toward our front door of our house where I can
get a bit of you. And the only way I

(17:55):
can describe what I saw was it looked like the
classic biblical Star of Bethlehem, this star, but huge in size.
What looked like a star, but really was at least
two and a half to three times the size of
the full moon from point to point, and again it

(18:18):
was asymmetric. Some of the points were larger than others.
But it was so brilliant it was almost difficult to
look at. So the rest of you know, my classmates,
and then you know when they seen and I had
left the game had joined me. At this point we're
looking at this object with fascination for thirty to maybe

(18:42):
thirty to sixty seconds, and at that point the light
went out, as if by a flip of a switch,
so fast it was almost almost unreal. And in its
place was what I would describe is a fireball or
red fireball, probably about the size of a dyeing, held

(19:04):
at arm's length. And whereas the Star of Bethlehem object
that I had seen that I called Star of Bethlin,
was motionless, silent, and now I could see this fire
ball was beginning to move in a southwesterly direction, did
not change its altitude, direction or speed. And I watched

(19:26):
it as it disappeared over the rise and took about
I would say ninety seconds, and then I walked, I
actually walked to a neighbor's yard to be able to
see it travel away from us until I couldn't see
it anymore. And then I came back to our group
in our yard, in my yard, and we discussed what

(19:48):
we had seen, kind of compared notes. And you know,
at this point, the strange thing was everybody was reporting
different diferent things. Someone had seen a group of three
multicolored lights, three lights of different color in the vicinity

(20:09):
of the object. I had never seen anything like that.
Another person that reported some type of static electrical discharge
like lightning around the object, and I was the first
to see it. I was the last to see it
disappear over the horizon. I never saw anything like that.
So the upshot is along with that evidence other evidence

(20:34):
I concluded for a period of time, I was not
present at that sighting, but somehow I've been abducted from
that group. And what clinched it for me is that
during this discussion, one of my classmates, a girl, said

(20:55):
to me, Bruce, where did you go? I said, well, yeah,
you saw me walk to the next to our next
door neighbors property so I can get a better look
at the object. She said, and I saw you there,
but she had seen me at one point and then
at one point I had disappeared from our property. So again,

(21:17):
this was a sighting that I believe, based on my
other experiences of alium abduction of actually, you know, seeing
grays a number of grays at other times in my life,
that this was another classic abduction event that was witnessed
by at least one other person at the time, which

(21:39):
is which is kind of rare and with respect to
what's been reported for this phenomenon.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
In chapter two, you talk about the UFO wave of
nineteen sixty five. I'm not aware of that one.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
What happened, yes, this is it's really amazing to me
when I was It was amazing to me in writing
the book when I began to research what happened in
nineteen sixty five. But within gosh, a month or two
of the siding I just described to you, there was
a wave of sidings in the Midwest Colorado, Montana, Kansas, Texas, Oklahoma,

(22:21):
all within a period of a couple of days in
late July early August, and interesting enough, sightings of the
same group of UFOs, four or five UFOs that were
observed on radar civilian radar, military radar. It really appeared

(22:42):
the same group of UFOs was traveling from contiguous state
to continuous state, and in every case they were cited
over military bases. One base was the early one of
the first NORAD bases before the current location in a
shy in Mounting in Wyoming, I think, bases where nuclear

(23:06):
weapons ICBMs were stored at the time, all part of
the group of strategic US military bases. That was in
late July early August, and then I think a couple
of weeks after that, there was the very famous sighting

(23:29):
at the Edwards Air Force Base, I think just outside
the Mohave Desert in California. Edwards was one of the
most important Air Force bases for the testing of experimental
US fighter aircraft, and at that time, I think it
was in October, there was a sighting of ten to

(23:51):
twelve UFOs that came in very close over the runway,
demonstrated fantastic aerodynamic foreman's capabilities. In fact, there were several
fire aircraft scrambled vector to where the UFOs were sited
over Edwards and every time, and it was very similar

(24:14):
to the sidings in nineteen fifty two over the US Capitol.
Every time the aircraft were vector to the UFOs, they
were able to ascend from ten from five thousand feet
to one hundred thousand feet within several seconds. So they
were almost like playing a game of cat and mouse
with the UFOs. And you know, there were other sightings

(24:38):
in Exeter, New Hampshire in the same fall of nineteen
sixty five, reported by John J. Fuller in his book
Incident over Exeter or a number of UFOs were cited
very close to power transmission lines. In a couple of cases,
UFOs were sited so close the witnesses claimed that there

(25:02):
was actual contact between a metallic device that was projected
from the UFO and the power lines. Very interesting signings,
and then of course the sidings in Dexter, Michigan, where j.
Allen Heinek the Blue Book UH, the head of Blue

(25:24):
Brick and the main scientific consultant for Project Blue Book,
the military's project to investigate UFOs visited Dexter, Michigan, Michigan,
and under the now famous or I would call infamous
description of what went on as being attributable to nothing
but swamp gas. The swamp gas UFOs, which everyone in

(25:44):
Michigan knows was a complete fabrication because those signings were
absolutely fantastic, UH and clearly of non human origin. So
it was a very interesting year. It was an interesting
way of UFOs all over the US at that time.
That the signing my siding or our siding that we

(26:10):
we observed in Connecticut, it was clearly a part of
I don't know how it is you know that signing
was connected to all the other signs, but certainly was
part of that great UFO wave of nineteen sixty five.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Chapter three, Stairway to an Alternate Reality talks about memories
of you at the age of two, having grays as
mentors what actually happened at that time.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
I have to tell you this is probably the strangest
et or alien contact experience, because you know it, to
be honest with you, it wasn't something I experienced in
real time. It was a sense memory, but had a
lot of components to me that it convinces me it

(26:56):
was something I remembered that it really happened to me.
I was just oh gosh, I was two and a
half three years old, and my mother had just picked
me up as we were walking up the stairs to
our apartment because I was just so tired. We had
to walk up so many stairs. But that act of
having my mother picked me up, I describe it as

(27:20):
being a stimulus for a sense memory where I remembered
a time in my life my life. I didn't know
when it was because I was so young at the time,
two or three years old, but then I had had
a relationship with Grace with beings that were three and
a half to four foot tall, looked identical to the
beings the same beings I had seen, and a number

(27:40):
of other times in my life. But I recall about
this memory. In this memory, what I recall in this memory.
Excuse me is was that I knew these beings almost
had a personal almost that and the memory involved I
don't know if I was walking or floating in the sky,
being floated up to the US foe, but I was

(28:01):
holding hands with the two grades, one on either side
of me. But I somehow recalled that I knew these beings.
They had been my teachers and I and at some
point in my life, and at that time I felt
emotions that I it was almost as if I felt

(28:21):
a sense of longing that I had a relationship with
these beings, but they were no longer part of my life,
and in some way I missed them because I viewed
them as being my mentors that I could learn where
I was being taught things and can learn things from
these beings that no human beings could teach me. How

(28:44):
a child of two and a half to three years
old could have these thoughts and sensations and feelings at
this particular age, you know, it is really remarkable for
me to consider even today. That's why I described it
as the strangest quote unquote et experience that I reported

(29:05):
in the book.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Do you recall how they actually appeared to you?

Speaker 2 (29:12):
No, in this particular experience, all I remember is I
knew these beings. We were I was holding hands with them.
I'm not sure where we were going, but I just
remembered them, and I remember the relationship, what their relationship
was to me. Unfortunately, did not recall any of the

(29:33):
details that would inform me why I felt I had
that they were my mentors and I had this type
of relationship with them and what they taught me. I
just seemed to know this. Somehow I was made to
know this, and that's all I can I can recall
about that.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Could you describe in detail how the grays looked like?
Were they wearing anything?

Speaker 2 (29:58):
No, you know, they were actually white in color now,
But they had the same height, same disproportionately large hairless heads,
very very thin, very thin limbs, thin legs and arms.
I couldn't see their features. In one particular case, I

(30:18):
saw dozens of them, but from the side view, because
they were walking back and forth, I can only see
them from the side. Many abductees have described the grays,
even when they have this gray color, described that their
skin was not really a biological skin, was more part

(30:40):
of some type of spacesuit or quote unquote biomechanical suit,
and other abductees have reported that they've seen the suit
somewhere in the inside the UFO and that the grays
were again white in color, and then drew the conclusion
that again they look gray when they put on this

(31:03):
by mechanical suit when they take it off. Hundreds of
reports are that the color, the skin color of the
of the of the what we call the grace, is
actually white. And this is what I saw these, This
is how the the the humanoid beings appeared to me.

(31:23):
There was another instance where I saw one particular gray
and this although I didn't you know, I would describe
this being as being almost transparent or translucent. It's almost
as if as if the being was morphing in and
out of our dimension. But again, this was the one

(31:47):
case where the color was was a more gray than white.
But you know, most of my experiences are with the
the beings that have a white skin.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Cone. Missus gray when she saw the my girlfriend, when
she saw the cover of your book, The White Grace,
she she'd get a lot of third divisions and she
saw that this one right, yeah, yeah, okay. She described
them as dirty white ish, So yes, so that yeah

(32:21):
she saw, yes, she saw those. Now in chapter four,
you do appear on a table, but do you remember
the end between of the abduction, because what happened? Do
you remember how we were taken or did you just
wake up on a table.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
My experience that you're alluding to really really describes that
classic pattern of ailing an abduction where you remember the
beginning the end, but a lot of the middle part
is missing. You know, I just like a lot of

(32:58):
the these You know, you remember being in the beer bedroom.
I was six years old at the time. Maybe you'd
just woken up and on my case, I was just
nodding off to sleep and I saw the strangest looking
airplane I'd ever seen out of my window. It was
this was again near dusk, and it was it must

(33:22):
have been reflecting the waning sunlight, because that that that
flash of light had attracted my attention. I looked out.
I saw this this craft that looked like it was
made of some highly polished itallic material. But the interesting
the fuselage of the of what I thought was an

(33:44):
airplane looked more circular than tubular, which which a number
of addictees that have described. I thought I saw wings.
But again it was silent. It was moving very you know,
very not that high above the rooftops of the apartment
buildings in our neighborhood, maybe five or six blocks away

(34:05):
from where I was, And something very strange happened. I
would have been usually very fascinated to watch this object.
Until I couldn't see it anymore. I did something strange instead.
I turned my head away from the from the window,
put my head back on the pillow, and fell asleep.

(34:26):
Now I don't know how I got to where I was,
but when I woke up, I was in a different place.
It was no longer in my bedroom. I knew I
was on the table, you know, to a hard surface.
I don't remember if it was cold, but it felt hard.
And the thing I remembered distinctly was the size. The

(34:46):
table was too much, too long and much too wide
to be necessary to accommodate the body of a six
year old child. I remember that. And I noticed some
commotion in front of me. I don't know if I
heard or I sensed it, or I heard it which
caused me to sit up. And when I did, can

(35:08):
I do this book again? This is what I saw?
So I really don't need to describe it, I just
need to show it. Dozens of these humanoid beings. This
view I had, this picture I had was exactly the
picture I saw of the aliens at the end of

(35:29):
Steven Spielberg's Close Encounters of the Third Kind. You remember
that scene when there were dozens of alien beings. And
then when I did the research for this book, I
found out Steven Spielberg had hired as actors to play
the the the ets at the end of the movie sick,

(35:50):
all six year old girls. So again when I when
I saw these beings, I thought, these are the strangest
looking doctors I've ever seen. They look not taller than me.
The average six year old is three and a half
to fit tall. They look my size, and they look
no bigger than a six year old. And again, it
just just amazing to me that that's exactly what I

(36:13):
saw when I watched Close Encounters of the Third Kind
sixteen years later after my experience. But you know I didn't,
I didn't. I well, I actually did have some type
of what I've described as a communication. For some reason,

(36:34):
I was wondering where they're all Are they all boys?
Are they all girls? Are there? Are they both boys
and girls? And I instantly, as if someone was eavesdropping
on my internal dialogue, I was made to understand, yes,
both sexes are represented. How did I know that? Because again,
they they all they all look like clones on one another.

(36:56):
I couldn't notice any secondary sexual characteristics. They all looked
identical in height and weight and in every external anatomical
characteristic you can think of, and yet I seemed to
know they were both sexes represented. I think I'll finish

(37:19):
describing that particular episode by saying that by calling Oh.
One thing I wanted to report was that I actually
pointed at them and tried to talk to them verbally.
I said to them, because I thought I was in
a hospital of some kind, I said, hey, you're not
my doctors. In other words, why did you bring me here?

(37:41):
My parents didn't tell me I had to go into
the hospital. For what purpose did you bring me here?
And in doing so, I must have called attention to myself,
And instantly I felt some type of a hand pressing
on my chest. I felt it was a hand that
was as large or larger than my abdomen and chest.

(38:05):
So I get the sense there was a hand that
was larger than a human hand, but I felt it
gently pushed me back on the table until I was
mined down again, and then I was completely rendered unconscious.
And that's the last thing I remember.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Fascinating. Do you recall ever seeing medical instruments or furniture
in the room?

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Great question. No, I was so fascinated with what I
saw at the twelve o'clock position. You know, imagine you're
seeing dozens of beings you had never seen before that
you don't know if they're human, are they non human?
And you're seeing half walking very briskly from right to left,

(38:53):
half walking in the other direction. And I didn't look
to the right, I didn't look to the left, and
very very soon after that, you know, I'm actually brun
under some type of control, whether psychological control or physical control.
I did not have the chance to notice any instruments,

(39:17):
any specific, anything specific that was part of the interior
of the of the room that would lead me to
believe I was in a spacecraft or the UFO. The
only thing I the only sense I had was that
the walls were completely uniform. They they had no objects

(39:40):
that were coming out of the wall, like a light
fixture or an instrument of some type, and they're all
of the same color. I should say that that the
whole room I was in was bathed by this I
won't say bright light, but a white light, the source
of which I really couldn't identify. I didn't know where
the light was coming from, but it was, but it was.

(40:02):
It was again the outs outside that room where the
ets were, and inside the room I was in was
was bathed in this what I'd described as a soft
white light. That's all I saw.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Now when you were being brought back. Let's say, did
did you ever wake up with your pajamas like inside
out upside down?

Speaker 2 (40:29):
No? No, no, that's that's a very common, commonly reported experience.
I I I mean a colleague of mine in this
field has had the same type of experience. He describes
having an abduction experience. Before the experience, he had cut

(40:52):
his left thumb and the band and put a band
aid around it. When he woke up, the band aid
was on his right thumb. Now, I remember, you know,
one of one of the experiences, one of the most
famous experiences that that that reported what you what you
just described, was Betty Hill I think who had recalled

(41:14):
when I think when her you know, she had some
type of ripping her dress. I think her dress might
have been put on a little bit uh differently than
she had put it on after after the after she
returned home after you know, she was abductive with her husband,
Barney Hill. But a number of other abductees have have

(41:37):
reported what you just described that you know that the
you know, they had either uh shirt put on backwards
or pajama top or bottom put on backwards. I don't
think I can recall anything anything like that happened to me.
I had one instance where my abduction curred. Went after

(42:00):
I left my bedroom. It was the middle of night.
I walked outside, I crossed the street, went to a
neighbor's property and had some time of an account. And
when I walked back, I can remember I can remember
being in my pajamas. I didn't put out any shoes
or slippers, and the bottoms of my feet were wet

(42:23):
because at that time of the early morning, there was dew.
There was dew on the grass. But other than that,
that's the only physical effect that I can associate with
being abducted that I was able to recall.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
After an abduction or an experience. Did you ever go
see your mom or your dad?

Speaker 2 (42:44):
The only time I tried to make some type of
communication was one instance where I woke up and instantly
I was completely alert and terrified. I sat at the
edge of the bed and I knew something had happened

(43:05):
to me, that something had been done to me that
was very frightening, but I couldn't recall it what it was,
and I went to my parents' bedroom. They both woke
up when they they saw me, and I tried to
tell him, and I believe I was trying to tell
him that I had another abduction experience. Now, couldn't I

(43:25):
remember what happened to me? I knew something had happened.
I knew it terrified me. I knew it was wrong.
It shouldn't have been done to me. Not only couldn't
I remember what it was, but I was. I was.
My vocal cords were paralyzed. I couldn't utter a sound.
I tried, and I tried to call my mother's name.

(43:47):
I couldn't say a word. And at that point my father,
my father, thought I was having some type of a nightmare,
but I was completely awake. Brought me back to bed. Now,
I didn't know at this young age what any of
these experiences meant, so I never discussed it with my parents.

(44:08):
I almost as if I tried to explain them on
my own. I had had some ear infections before the abduction.
I had at six years old when I remembered being
on the table, and in the winter before that, that
was in the summer when I had that abduction. I
had air infections in the winter before. They returned in

(44:28):
the fall or early winter after the abduction experience, and
but they were not as severe and I had the
way I had tried to explain this experiences, I was
convinced that the abduction was part of my therapy for
my ear infection, and I actually been in a hospital
that these were these beings were some type of doctors

(44:51):
that we were helping me treat these air infections at
that time. Now I know, of course, that there's a
completely different, you know, significance to these experiences. But I
never discussed these ideas that I had about what had
happened to me, never discussed what had happened to me

(45:14):
with with anyone in my family, for reasons I really
can't explain, almost as if I was, I was told
or or persuaded or or warned against telling anybody about
what had happened to me. And so it gets to
that that that common theme of deception that many investigators

(45:38):
and contact these are up at these associate with, particular
with with the abductions involving the grace.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Same for me, same for yeah, they.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Wanted want us to keep it all secret.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Chapter six, you talk about procedures regarding scarring inside nasal
cavity from an unknown person feature.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Wow, you know again, this was This was the experience
more than anything that really convinced me that this was,
this phenomenon is real and it happened to me because
I read in the abduction literature, I think it was.
It was a book by Bud Hopkins about a family
where the six year old had the same exact experience

(46:27):
I had. There were abductions in multiple generations of this family,
and I actually the mother of this child claimed to
be an abductee. She She also claimed that her children
described the grays being in their bedrooms at night, and

(46:51):
they had unexplained nosebleeds as I had, very common feature,
especially of abductees that have nasaline plants. And not only that,
a emergency room physician and an ear nose and throat
doctor who examined this child, the subductee that was written

(47:13):
about by Bud Hopkins, found a scar I think either
in the nasopharynx and the part of the throat behind
the nasal cavity, or in the nasal cavity. Both doctors
found the scar in this abductee, the six year old abductee.
And I was the same age when my ear nose
and throat doctor found the same type of scar. At

(47:37):
the time, I was having a ton selectivity. Again, this abductee,
I think it was this child was in Indiana, was
also in the hospital for the same type of procedure,
and the doctor found the same type of physical evidence
of what I believe was a nasal implantation by by

(47:57):
one or more of the Grays. So here you know,
in in two different instances, and I you know there
there are many many more accounts that were these particular
features of the phenomenon are also replicated, reproduced. But you
have the the experience of being abducted, they unexplained nasally,

(48:22):
the nosebleaze, excuse me, and then the finding of a
scar that would indicate there was some type of some
type of you know, medical procedure performed involving the nasal cavity,
suggesting to me that that involved the nasal implants.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Have you ever had like m RIS or stud detectors scans?

Speaker 2 (48:48):
I thought about it, but I've never had a medical
condition that would would indicate that I, you know, that
I should have a CT scan or an MRI, which
means I cannot rule out that I don't still have
an implant. I don't know if I do. I do
remember being warned that, you know, at the age of six,

(49:12):
not to blow my nose too hard or not. You
know that if I sneezed too hard, the implant could
come out. So and I and and also I had
the vague sense when I had this recollection again at
the age of six years old, that it that that
added happened. I don't know what I had done with it,
whether I hurriedly flushed it down the toilet or what.

(49:35):
But I had this this recollection vague that was the
vegas recollection that I had of this of having an
ason implant, or I will say the veguus component of this,
of this memory that I think i'd lost one. But
if that happened, I don't know if I had I

(49:57):
was re implanted, and whether or I still have the implant.
But I have not had any you know, brain imaging
to answer the question of whether I have a foreign
object inside my brain that would that would you know,
provide evidence that that I might have might have been implanted.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
In chapter seven you talk about the medical consequences of
having implants.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Yes, I mean, it's just amazing that, you know, when
you look at the the avenue of approach, surgical approach
the neurosurgeons used two remove pituitary tumors, it's it's it's

(50:41):
interesting that it evolves putting approach through one of the
sinuses called this phenoid sinus, and basically this would be
the root that probably an alien search it would use
if there was an implant there was to be introduced
into the nasal cavity or actually into into the brain.

(51:05):
And it's known from the medical literature that when you
do this procedure involving any type of intervention that goes
through this particular sinus cavity, there's a great, great probability
that that can cause an infection that can spread to

(51:27):
the meninis of the brain, and in some cases it
can be fatal. You can have a fatal meningitis that
results from the introduction of you know, bacteria into into
the into into a sinus cavity from this type of
medical procedure. And you know, I have to say that

(51:48):
my grandfather in the thirties had no medical procedure, He
had no dental procedure or other type of medical procedure,
but did have this strange sinus infection that spread to
the minincies of his brain. He developed the meningitis and
he died from the age of died from this at

(52:11):
the age of forty two. And it's interesting that you know,
his physical symptoms and the course of his disease that
led to his death would be caused by a medical
intervention involving the sinus, the nasal cavity, and one of

(52:33):
the sinuses, this phenie sinus, because it's it's the perfect
root of transmission of bacteria to the minergies of the
brain from this phenide scius and I speculate that you know,
you know, since many investigators are reported that if you're abducted,

(52:54):
it's much more likely you're one of your parents was subducted,
will was abducted where your children will be abducted. So
I speculate that, like other families, that my family, you know,
was also an example of this multi, multi generational interest
that the ets who abduct human beings have. If they

(53:18):
abduct one generation there for some reason they're they're interested
in particular bloodlines because of their genetic backgrounds, and that's
why they're abducting more than one generation in a family.
And my conclusion is that there's a lot of evidence
that that my grandfather was, like myself, an abductee and unfortunately,

(53:40):
had an a very adverse consequence of an implantation procedure
on the part of the Graves that went very badly.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Did you have the chance to look at the compositional
structure of implants and how what they look under a
miscroscope and how they're coded with your own human tissue
to stop rejection.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Well, a lot a lot of that work was done
by doctor Roger Lear, the pediatric surgeon in America who
worked with a lot of other material scientists, and yeah,
he did find it. He had have a lot of
interesting findings that came out of that research where he
found that there was not only human tissues surrounded the

(54:29):
implants after he surgically removed the implants, but in one case,
the the implant was cod with nerve tissue, which is
very strange. That usually doesn't happen. There's some there's often
some type of of a reaction between an implant placed

(54:51):
in the body and normal tissue, but it would be
very strange for the implant to attract and then integrate
with or or form some type connection with nerve tissue.
So that's that's an interesting phenomenon, an interesting finding that
that doctor Roger Lear had obtained. You know, other other

(55:14):
investigators have also found, you know, this host reaction to
the implant involving some type of growth of human tissue
around the implant. But also the the physical analysis the
implants has in a number cases has has revealed some

(55:35):
interesting findings. The radio radio isotope ratioes radioisotope ratios are
very different from from what you would expect based on
that the composition of the material, whether it's it's silver
or gold or or aluminumts that that was an unexpected finding. Also,

(55:55):
the some in some cases the implants look like they
were manufactured. There's very thin micron thick layers of of
of material that are layered one on top of another,
that indicated that the implants were manufactured, that that didn't
occur naturally. One very interesting case because I've not been

(56:22):
able to find very many, if any studies that show
some type of a functionality like a like integrated circuit
or anything that would indicate that that that the implant
is some type of machine. But in one case, a
material scientists, after after examining one of these implants, there

(56:45):
was a retreet from an abductee, found what looks like
a radio transmitter on the implant, and I think there
was some type of microwave transmission they were able to
record from the implant. You know how how that would
would get there on an object that came from a
media or a natural occurring object. I don't know. So again,

(57:08):
that that type of implant was came from either a
human source, a human laboratory, or an alien laboratories. I
think there's no other explanation. But in my case, I
have not had the chance to to retrieve my implant,
hold it in my hand, and subject it to any
type of scientific analysis. I wish I had had that chance.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
During all of your experiences. Are you aware if you
if any bodily fluids were taken from you genetic material?

Speaker 2 (57:44):
You know. I have to compare what happened to me
with what happened to a number of abductees, and it's
the parallels are quite striking. I didn't have one instance
where I was in the middle of sleep, I was

(58:05):
woken up, and I had the the idea, the very
compelling idea that I was supposed to have some type
of an encounter that would be very fascinating. I think
I was eleven or twelve thirteen maybe at the time,
and I got out of bed. I knew I had

(58:25):
to leave my bedroom, leave my house in the middle
of the night very quickly, and or else I was
going to miss having this opportunity to encounter something non human.
I had no idea at the time what this was
going to entail. So I walked maybe one hundred year
hearts outside after leaving our house, became at one point

(58:49):
paralyzed and I couldn't see anything, I couldn't hear anything.
In other words, I had this altered alteration in my
state of consciousness, and I did feel some type of
a sensation indicating I had some type of device placed
on my groin area. Barney Hill also also reported this

(59:12):
in much more detail, that he had this same experience
when he was abducted along with his wife Betty in
nineteen sixty one. And you know, this leads me to
believe that, like many many male abductees and female abductees,
that one of the purposes of the abduction was for

(59:36):
the collection of genetic material. So I have to say that,
and I should report report that another experiencer and also
described being woken up out of a sound sleep, walking
out of his house in the middle of the night
in his pajamas like I had, and then having an

(59:58):
encounter with Gray's were in is the backyard of his property,
being taken to a landed UFO, and having genetic material
removed during that particular encounter. So this is this is
something that's commonly reported and I feel also happened to
me as well.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Other than the grades, have you ever seen other types
of beings?

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
No? No, And then the sense I had is when
I was on the table, which I believe was you know,
on board a UFO at the age of six years old,
that there were there might have been another type of being.
But as we now know, there are people reports seeing

(01:00:46):
three and a half to four foot tall grays and
then either mantis looking ats or taller grays that seemed
to have some type of a supervisory role, that seemed
to have exert some type of influence or control over
the shorter grays. And I, you know, I'm speculating because

(01:01:07):
all I felt was a hand on my chest when
I was on the table that pushed me back down
after I'd seen you know, the the dozens of grays
in front of me, and that that hand was of
was the hand of a being that was considerably taller
than the than the the short humanoids that that I

(01:01:32):
that I had seen in front of me at the
you know, twenty feet from the foot of the table
I was on. But I didn't see any anything else
that would lead me to believe that either this was
a similar species to that of the grays or a
different species. All of my other encounters were with the
same creatures, the same humanoids. There were the same height,

(01:01:56):
the same external ananatomical apparent appearance. In one case, I
saw the being at the same in the same region
of a table lamp I had near my bed, and
after the experience, I was and I remember the being's
head was no taller than the top of the table lamp. Well,
I measured the table lamp and I recalled it being

(01:02:20):
three and a half to four feet tall, so which
we confirmed that again this this being was the same
being that I'd seen and a number of times, you know,
earlier during my life.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
In chapter eight stalked in the suburbs, you talk about
you describe other abduction experiences you had as a as
a teen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
What happened? Yes, well, you know I talked about one
of them where I was woken up in the middle
of the night and I had to to walk out
to a neighbor's property to have this this strange encounter.
And I also talked about, you know, being woken up

(01:03:04):
in the middle are just waking up terrified, and then
and then telling my parents something had happened to me,
but I was unable to speak. Another time, another time
I had and I had this a number of times,
this classic sleep paralysis experience where along with the sleep paralysis,

(01:03:30):
people report seeing strange figures in the room. In many
many cases they see what looks like the classic gray alien.
This happened to me. I woke up. I couldn't move,
and that was the most frankly, that was the most
terrifying part of the experience. That I was completely unable

(01:03:52):
to move. But because my head was while I was sleeping,
I was sleeping on my right side, my head a
slurp was moved slightly to the right, I could see,
you know, I couldn't move my head, and at all
I could see, I could see a being that was standing, gosh,
not more than a foot or two from me. And

(01:04:16):
this was what I described to you, you know, maybe
ten or fifteen minutes ago. The being that looked although
he was transparent, right to the point where I could
see the table lamp behind him. I called him him.
I don't know if it was a male or female,
but the color was more braish for some reason. I

(01:04:39):
remember the build being a little bit more stocky. I
think it was more stocky. In other words, the chest
was a little bit wider than what I could discern,
you know, from looking at the beings that that are
pictured on my book Dominion Lost that I showed a
little while ago. But I but the the scariest part

(01:05:01):
of what I observed about the being was, I couldn't
see its hands, and then I realized that the reason
why I couldn't see its hands is because he either
was holding my head or the hands were behind my head,
as if he was doing some type of procedure or operation.
Whether he was about to perform an implantation or remove

(01:05:26):
an implant, I don't know, because very quickly, I'm guessing
after the etem noticed I could see him. Slowly he
began to The being began to disappear, and I tried
to scream, but I couldn't. I tried as much as
I could to yell, but I couldn't. And at some point,

(01:05:52):
after the gray had was gone, I could wake up.
But that, you know, I have to. I would have
to say, of all the encounters I had with the Grace,
this was probably the most frightened because it was so
the being was so close. I was completely unable to move,
and I knew he was doing something to me, but

(01:06:13):
I didn't know what he was doing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Because every coming out. Have you ever had backlash from
the military or the government.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
No. No, you know a number of my colleagues that
I've had the same experiences I've had. Either there authors
that have published their story, or the podcasters or people
that have contacted me that are now after having these experiences,
have become investigators. You know, they've they've tried to more

(01:06:51):
than just publishing a book. They've tried to speak out
in terms to the degree that they've contacted you know,
political leaders, members of Congress. And that has resulted in
some some blowback where they they felt that they were
being followed. They did have people come into their hotel

(01:07:15):
room while they weren't there. Oh and you know, moved
their moved their luggage around as if they were either
looking for something or trying to intimidate them. I was
surprised that I had nothing in terms of people, nothing
involving people from the military, people from the government, other

(01:07:39):
strange people try to contact me. And and and even
after my book became a bestseller and I went on
number of contasts, number of large number of podcasts, I
really as an open book telling everything that happened to me. Uh,
you know, I haven't had this experience. Fortunately, I don't

(01:08:02):
know why the experience that the some experiencers say things
that are threatening to you know, a government or a military,
and others are kind of left alone, but fortunately I've
I've been left alone.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Did you ever have the chance to see shadow beings
or live out paranormal type of experiences?

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
I know I haven't seen the shadow beings. I know
those those those encounters can be particularly frightening. I would
have to say all of my experiences, experiences in the
paranormal kind of are focused on on these encounters with
et s or or aliens uh that we you know

(01:08:54):
that did we are commonly are commonly known as as
the grace. I can't really point to anything paranormal that
has happened to me. I'm want. I would have to say,
I want. I'm in the minority, because from what I
understand a majority of of abductees claimed that they do

(01:09:18):
have paranormal experiences that they don't associate with the abduction
phenomena to a much greater with a much greater frequency
than they had before they began having their abduction abduction experiences.
I don't know why this isn't the case. I don't
know whether or not there that they're that abductees are unique,

(01:09:46):
they have some unique ability to maybe view beings that
may be interdimensionals, and that having these experiences over and
over kind of maybe causes this particular ability to become

(01:10:07):
more developed so that now they're able to not only
to interact with these intermentional be interdimensional beings, but also
it's able to it it opens them up to interact
with other aspects of the par paranormal, you know, that
may involve non human being, other non human beings of

(01:10:32):
other species, or perhaps other energies or entities that that
kind of represent something that it represents a separate phenomenon
from the phenomenon of alien induction.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Now your book can be purchased on Amazon.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Am I correct, Yes, you know, you really focused a
lot on my unabridged version, which has a lot of
scientific analysis, as I say, how I think the implants,
working materials they're made of, what their function is, why
why the aliens are using them, and also it describes

(01:11:12):
in theory, how I think the propulsion system of the
alien UFO's work, and a lot of other scientific analysis.
But the book I I showed you is available or
early is available in Amazon is the unabridged version. This
book is basically describes my abduction experiences without all the

(01:11:37):
science heavy portions in the In the unabridge version, now
book books are on Amazon that they're both by the
same title. If people are interested in exploring some of
the scientific questions I deal with after reading about my experiences,
they might be interested in my Vulnerable, which, again as

(01:11:58):
a slightly different color, shows that a child being beamed
up into covering UFO. But both books are on Amazon
and both have the same title. Domini Lost the scientists
own Alien in production.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Accounts well a loot the links to in the description jocks.
For those that do want to purchase the books. To
finish off the interview, do you have, like perhaps a
closing statement or another story that you might want to
get out.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
I wrote the book because I want to as a
mainstream scientist, I want to encourage as many scientists you
know or might be inclined to become more interested and
perhaps even investigate this phenomenon to be drawn into the fold,
because for so long this has been something that even

(01:12:51):
I was afraid to even talk about, let alone investigate.
And secondly, I'm really hoping that it will encourage and
scientists that are experiencers to come forward tell their stories,
whether it's on a pack podcast or whether it involves
you know, publishing their own particular account. I think it

(01:13:13):
would in doing so, if scientists would come forward and
admit that they're as doctor Gary Nolan has done, they're
also experiences, it will legitimize the scientific investigation of this phenomenon.
And I think this is something to be hoped for,
because the only way we're going to learn about it
and find out what the what this phenomena is all about,

(01:13:37):
whether or not it represents any threat to human beings,
is to is to pay attention to it, recognize that
it's real, and begin to investigate it in a very serious,
serious way. At least that's that's that's my greatest hope.
And you know in and the main reason why I

(01:13:59):
wrote the book.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Well, Bruce, thank you so much for coming on. It's
been fun and I appreciate all the knowledge that you
were able to share with us today. It's been fun.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to tell my story
to your aunings. I appreciate it, And.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
To those watching, I hope you enjoyed today's interview. I'm
your host, mister Gray. More interviews coun up and I
will see you guys next time. So take care everyone.
Hello everyone, this is mister Gray and thanks for watching
today's episode. If you are an abductee, contactee, or experiencer
and you believe that your story could help others, please
feel free to contact me through my YouTube channel email.
When it comes to experiencers, the et phenomena, and the future,

(01:14:38):
remember truth will out
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