Jeff Selver: THE RISING – And The Alien Plan To Build An Enlightened City On Earth Part II - Experiencer Interviews

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello everyone, and welcome back to another chapter of Experiencer Interviews,
and today we have Jeff Silver from Canada on board
today coming back for part two. In December of nineteen
ninety seven, Jeff experienced the Rising, which was an agreement
with great aliens to discover his soul. The Rising required
him to take a leap of faith, sell all of

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his possessions, and begin the life traveling from place to place.
What unfolds is truly an epic adventure of removal from
society and living close to nature, all while having contact
events with great aliens without his knowing. In summary, it
is twenty six contact events with Great Aliens told in

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amazing detail and spread out from years nineteen nine, twinety
three to twenty seventeen. Fundamentally, Jeff was shown that what
humans understand about spirituality, life after death, dimensions, God, the soul,
and psychic powers are just the beginning of what these
beings are all about, and about their capacity understanding and

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utilization of these is much greater than the humans can imagine.
Jeff's story shows that the only way we will ever
be able to understand the grays is to understand the
power of our own personal spiritual potential. Jeff is also
the author of the books The Rising and the Alien
Plan to build an Enlightened City on Earth, and the

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Rising workbook How to Create your Own Rising. Now, our
last interview was a mind blowing one, so those that
do have the time do check it out. We got
into approximately half of your story last time. So I'd
like to really start off from let's say chapter eighteen. Now,
in chapter eighteen, it's called a new human and the

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future of our planet, which happened in like the contact
of it happened in July of ninety eight, you learned
about the plan to merge with humanity. Could you get
into that story?

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, sure so Yeah. Quick summary is that I made
an agreement with great aliens to discover my soul. That's
all I always frame it. That was the experiment, and
the experiment had initiated at this point. It was it
was the December of nineteen ninety seven is when it
kind of had experienced it. And so now they are

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telling me things about themselves. There's actually kind of a
feeling of exchange. I give them stuff and they tell
me stuff. So they really wanted this exchange, and so
party the agreement had me traveling and I was now

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having no home, living out of my car, and kind
of randomly synchronistically, I heard someone talking about Nova Scotia,
and I've said, you know what, I'm gonna try this.
I'm gonna actually drive across Canada. And I was living
out of my car and I decided to, yeah, just
do it and take my time while doing it. And
I had no responsibilities, didn't really know what I was

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doing while traveling, and I'd already had two contact events
by that point while traveling in the year nineteen ninety eight,
so I had the eighth and ninth and this will
be the tenth coming up. So I'm traveling and I
have left Vancouver Island. Actually I remember it being June
twenty first, and pretty much it I was made by

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way through the Rockies, and I knew I wanted to
just kind of always have that isolation thing going on,
and I decided to do be in northern the Northern Prairies.
As I crossed over Canada and I kept I saw
some isolated communities in northern Saskatchewan, and I decided to
just keep going. And it's in one of these isolated

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roads kind of a logging road that would connect these
communities that I quote unquote became the me that knows
them while driving, and so not really clear still what's
going on here, but the entities were in control of
kind of the awareness of them, So I would basically
turn into this other, this person who knew about the
last contact events and actually knew about the agreement and

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what we were doing behind my own back, if you will.
And I pull over the car and the object there's
an object above me, and it's quite large, only through intuition,
and there seems to be some kind of bleeding through
of something really massive, and I can see a object

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and I don't really know how to describe it, except
that the whole thing felt like it was just massive,
and I was kind of instantly beamed in. The elder,
the entity I'm dealing with, tells me about these entities
I'm going to meet, so she calls them the twins.
And as soon as I'm inside this craft, there's these

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two entities I don't know who look identical. So, yeah,
they kind of look like twins, and they're wearing white
lab coats. And I say this in the book, it's
kind of strange to me the lab coats there TEMs
to be a very a lot of the memories are

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very visceral. I can sometimes feel or smell the environments,
and these lab coats are kind of fake, and I
just always think that they're projecting an image of my
mind and of them wearing lab coats, and it's being
a communication that hey, we're scientists, like your scientists kind
of thing. And of course the entity welcomes me, Hello, Jeff,
you know, welcome, and let us show you around immediately.

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The entity wants to do, wants my biology, and I'm
in control the entire time. Well, at this point, I'm
in control except for the hate contact event. But it's
very fascinating the way that how they were getting my
biology changes up, and at this point I'm in control,
and he basically says, go to that machine, and I

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kind of facilitate it. And the hard thing to wrap
your head around is it is intimidating, and also it's
intimidating being with them, but their environment is like like
they're in control of everything. The way they kind of
just show up in your life, so there is a
weird intimidation factor to it, and you're just kind of

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complying because of that intimidation factor, and then you're still
balancing between I trust these guys because they haven't done
anything atrocious with me, but you know, I don't like
these these things, but you know, they're also giving information,
So then you're the more you kind of complyed, the
more they were get giving me stuff. So I couldn't

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help it. But but like want that, you know, you
kind of want to know, especially you're dealing with these entities,
and at the time, in nineteen ninety eight, there's no
Internet that helps me tell me what great aliens are
and where they're from or what their deal is. So
not that we fully have the answer, but I wanted
that information. So after the exchange, basically I'm in a

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room that is filled with medical beds and there was
a cow on the medical bed. The cow was not alive,
and then there were two humans. The cow thing is
very weird and it's kind of a hint, kind of

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They don't explain anything about the cow to me because
I'll focus on the humans because the humans are disturbing
that they're there, But the cow being there is really
interesting because it ends up being a coroberation. Northern Saskatchewan
is well known for having cattle mulations, and so the
location of it I didn't actually ever put together until many,
many years later. Linda Moulton Howe, was well known for

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her research into catta mutilations, actually has an interview in
one of her shows of someone in northern Saskatchewan only
a couple hundred several hundred klometers away because I'm that
far north. But that's just a really weird synchronicity that
you know, Northern Saskatchewan ends up being known for cattle mutilations.
And here I am on a craft in Northern Saskatcheon
with a cow. So they're kind of hinting or saying,

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you know, we do these things. That's part of us,
that's our stuff, right, Catta mutilations. So there's these two
humans and they look dead on these medical beds, and
I'm freaking out, and so I kind of ask like
what's going on here? Like what is this? And there's
a chemistcommunication That's why I interpret it presently. He says,

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we're making the new human. So he's kind of speaking
generally about what they're doing on the craft, and I'm
asking about these people, and he said, so he says, yeah,
we're making the new human. I said, yeah, but these
people are dead. He said yeah, but we asked get
We asked their permission. We asked for their permission basically.
And and the longer I kind of like analyze that memory,

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the more I understand that these people weren't They looked exzoomed,
they had like leathery skin, They had the leathery skin
of people who have been in grazed, and they were
wearing like nice clothes like you would be for being buried.
And so presently I'm pretty convinced that these weren't people
taken from the from society but actually exzoomed from grays

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and they're doing whatever they're doing here, and even while dead,
they actually still got permission from the consciousness that originally
has the body, which all makes sense to me presently.
So but I was really weirded out by that, and
the entity wants to show me more. So the twin
wants to show me more and says, come, come with us.
And this space is it's okay, there's these medical beds,

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but there's this stage and it's lit up, and that's
what's lighting up the kind of environment. Otherwise everything is
really dark and it has this warehouse type feel, and
then we go down these stairs, kind of around this
corner down the stairs, and then it's a huge, huge,
black it's a huge dark warehouse. And further up is

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lit up, like kind of down the warehouse. So I'm
in a craft, but it feels like a warehouse, so
it's like a floating warehouse basically. And we're walking down
this yeah, walking kind of towards this lit up area,
and and so the first thing I see are tubes

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of bodies that our best identified as gray alien human hybrids.
So it's the first time I'm ever seeing something like this.
And so he says, see, we're seeing you know, see,
we're making the new human. And I'm like, why, why
are you making the new human? And so the dialogue

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I have here is really fascinating. So basically, the humans
failed at the tasks we gave them, is what he says.
So he speaks big picture right away with me, and
I'm like, what tasks He's like, to save the planet?
Humans were required to save the planet. So we're stepping
in and I'm like, didn't like thinking very small from

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my perspective, didn't we have an opera. And I'm also
thinking the language here is indicative of we're replacing humans.
So I'm kind of as a twenty twenty year old
at this point, I'm kind of terrified of of what
I'm being told, and it's actually hurting my heart, the
kind of I have this like exposure, this this telepathic
clarity with them having the white room and everything, and

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my heart is actually hurting from from his language. And
so yeah, like what tasks to save the planet? Humans
were required to save the planet. So we're stepping in,
and but weren't we given a chance? You had the chance,
but the nuclear weapon was the last opportunity. So we're
stepping in. And then he wants to show me something,

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so we move over to this hologram. We move over
to this, uh, this console is sitting there and this
and this Earth hologram comes up and all communicat like right,
the holograms are consciousness holograms. They get the impart information
in a subconscious way. They're just so Actually in one
of the videos my videos on my YouTube channel, I

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go down the road with kind of comparing me in
Susie's and it's this would be an extra dimension of information. Right,
it's not just two D information now, it's three D.
I get into the actual experience of what the information
is trying to tell me, which is very powerful. And
so this is a planet Earth, and I can feel
it's Earth. And then there's this there's definitely like bites

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being taken out, like the land is being eroded out
as if you're eating an apple. And so there's like
crank crank, and there's a feeling with it that there's
kind of things are shaking, and it's the idea of
the bio sphere. So the land, the earth, and the
water or all being are all basically being destabilized. That's

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probably the best word. Just destabilized. The air, earth, and water,
the biosphere is being destabilized. The entire crunching happens all
the way up and then it's like it gets lit
on fire. It doesn't get lit on fire, but it
flies up in fire like a match, and all of
a sudden from the bottom up and the entire thing
goes up in flames. The Earth goes up in flames,
and then just it kind of recreates itself and it's

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the same planet but the same continents, but there's a
vibe change, everything is changed. And with this, with this uh,
with this change, this frequency change, or with with the
with the the redevelopment, are feelings that came through the
consciousness hologram of great aliens being happy, uh that they

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saved the planet and that the planet, like the environment
and the entire like stability of the environment was going
over and that hey, we saved it. And there was
almost a celebration, like as if they would pull out
the trumpets and the you know, the parades would come
out because we saved it. We saved the planet. And
that was the whole vibration coming off this thing that
they had saved it from kind of going over a cliff.

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And then there was this understanding about what I was
looking at. The word I have to repeat the words.
In fact, in present to lepathy, they want me to
repeat those words. The gray mind would dominate. But the
word dominate is so weird for humans. And I think
the impression I'm supposed to be doing here isn't terrifying

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people about dominance. But yeah, your way. The gray aliens
don't want humans to be living the way we're living.
That's what it is, and that's fundamental and for people
who were like, yeay, you know, we can probably learn
how to live a different way, especially in an enlightened
way or light the way that helps us all together.
Then that's what that is. And it's not a dominance

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that is by a government or bucratic. It's a dominance of, hey,
you can't do it that way anymore, and we don't
want you to. So there is a kind of a
for those who still want to. It might be a
bit of a shock, and that's what it is. And
I think it's so it's kind of the psychological shock
of of other species don't want us to be doing

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it this way anymore, and h and then we help.
We're stepping in because you're going over a cliff. Is
basically the the premise. I I looked back at the
at the at the hybrids, and I was kind of like,
you know, what happens to me basically the idea. I'm
actually like, I get personally terrified because I'm still not

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clear what's happening with this this image, and I actually
again still thinking it's I'm thinking the worst as a
human would that I'm at jeopardy and and he's like,
so what happens, what happens now? And he's like, like,
what will happen to me? And he's like, you'll be safe,
You'll be preserved, so as if like kind of nonchalantly,
there's like, don't worry about it, there's nothing to worry about.
So I didn't quite understand what he's Then I'm like

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confused by it, like new human and but how am
I preserved? I didn't understand it. So then he wants
to take me upstairs again. We all go upst yeah,
me and the other twin and we all go upstairs,
and then we're at the dead humans and he basically says,

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we created this brain, and so like we created this brain,
and so I'm like, why why did you, like like
basically trying to wrap my head around like this kind
of bigger picture. We created this brain and it's grabbing functions.

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So he basically describes that the human brain has a
grabbing function, it has this talking to a psychologist a
friend of mine, and yeah, there actually is a spot
in the brain that actually centralizes the ego. So the
ego actually has a legitimate spot in the brain. And
I think it's kind of this, it's the idea that
several maybe religions interpret it differently, and philosophy and psychology,

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but the idea being is that the human is very
has a balance between collective thinking and egocentric thinking, so
thinking for the self and that kind of that balance.
And so he's like, we created this, We created that
grabbing function. So then I'm like, why why did you
create that grabbing function? And he says, because it helped
your plant, It helped your species at the time to

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self develop, you know, it pulled them out actually of
their less developed ways. Think hard about that, and you're like, well,
that actually kind of makes sense that there might be
something like that going on where there's a balance between
you know, the personal needs of the individual versus versus
the collective needs and creating fudging with this helps pull

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us out into a developmental stage where we start wanting
to agriculture in build cities and build communities. So it's
very interesting and so but he's basically saying, the problem
is now your society is dependent on this, and the
structures of the society are dependent on it, and you're

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at a stage now where it's too late to change anything.
So we're kind of like overboard because of our frame
of reference, of reality, of individuation versus collective. And again
when I got this information and then vice versa when
I got the memories out. It took me some time
to kind of wrap my head around this, and I
couldn't help. But notice how accurate it is that all this,

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like our entire economy and our and our collected our world,
the economy, the society, the culture, it's all separated out.
An example is you go to school for something, and
you may or may not use that education for its society.
So it's a really weird broken society where you can
spend all this money to educate yourself and then there's
no place for you in society to use it and

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you have to struggle and fight and you may or
may not get that position. So then you you're educating
people and you can't get them into positions, and so
there's a lack of holistic it's not communal thinking, it's
not holistic thinking, and many fractured. Everything's fractured like that, right,
Like politics is as separated out from education, and education
is separated out from health, and health is separated out
from mental health and from society. So you have all

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these kind of self competing parts, and we don't really
it's kind of misfunctioning all these kind of parts. And yeah,
you're right, you can actually sit there and analyze and
say that makes a lot of sense, that it's actually
it's all a product of the kind of the self
centered or the centric brain of the human that actually
that's all kind of manifesting out in these ways. And

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so yeah, that's a little bigger picture. He basically explains
to me, that's what they're put that's what they're changing
with the hybrids. The hybrids are actually meant to and
designed to have a brain that is more that leans,
that will lean to more collective thinking. Now, there's quite
a bit of information that he kind of like gives
in this piece, but I think the most important part

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to mention is that So I think I asked at
one point, like when else were you here in history?
So he he emphasized, oh yeah, it's the nuclear bomb, right,
So he's emphasizing, you know, we went there's some kind

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of emphasis. He's that he interacted with someone, or that
the government or this species that interacted with someone. So
I'm questioning, when have you been here in history? And
he says, we've been here since you're sixteen hundreds, basically
this kind of idea, and that's at the time when
we started realizing where this was going. And we and
it's really weird to think about, we've been trying actually

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to kind of persuade your species into a new direction.
But he brings up the religions. If it wasn't for
your the grabbing function of the mind having taken over
your religions, you would have actually made it over the hump.
And I really like this because it's very I'm the
kind of guy who actually with my personal background and

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everything that's happened to me, especially with them. They're not
saying your religions are a problem, but what they're saying
are is that. And it's true again all the religions
fought with themselves, right like all the religions. The Christianity
is saying, no, no, we're the one. And even though
we come to we're at a global level now where
every religion is aware of each other and they can

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actually cross communicate with each other, which they do, but
no one comes together with a global religion or kind
of a way of kind of ironing out all the
differences so you still have this kind of collective, self
interested aspect, and then what that has happened is a
fractured spirituality of humanity. So he kind of emphasizes that
where if you actually had come together as a kind

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of a collective in some way, even in spiritually, you
would have made it over this challenge you're about to face.
But because you can't do that, then we have to
introduce these hybrids. So again it's this whole idea of
you're just too fractured, the society is too fractured, everything's
too fractured, you're too big, you're too out of control,
and then we've got to introduce these hybrids. So it's
very fascinating how he it's really hard to argue. That's

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the bottom line. It doesn't matter that anybody agrees or disagrees,
and there are people who disagree. They don't actually make
any arguments for the case is that this one specific
contact event is making and it's hard to and I'll
learn eventually later that something that's also really important in
that it's said is that being the twenty third contact event,
and I'll iron out some of this, that the human

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had the full potential and that is the whole part.
Is that that's the game that goes on here, where yeah,
you have this kind of self collect you have this
self preservation individualistic part of yourself, and then you have
the collective part of yourself, and you have that game
that goes on between the balance of the two. But
the human is the full potential, that's the whole part

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of the brain. We always had the potential to be
kind of you know, moved towards the collective or make
out iron out those ideas. It wasn't really a defect
in the self as much as we made choices with
the brains that we had, and you could have made
different choices. And that's now that we're at the result
that we're at. So they're ironing that out with biology
as they you know, with the hybrids. He caps this, well,

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there's one last section here, so he wants to show
me more so this is a big contact event and
we go into a room then that has like it's
like it's a it's an orb it's a bright ball
of white white light sitting in the corner and it
feels like the central core of the of the of

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the ship. But it's alive. I can feel it. It's
reminiscent for me of the white room I had, the
dimensional room I'd gone into where I got turned into
an orb So it feels like that room. But I'm
having a connection with it, and I actually ask is
this and he says, this is God, This is our creator.

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And so he's pointing out something. So he says, so
everything we're doing, everything that we're all the plans are making,
are in line with the Creator. And it's a really
weird thing. I actually had some people oppose this, who say, well,
you know, God in a computer is not God. But

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I kept kind of saying, well, but yeah, you know,
we have pretty good evidence the quantum field is real.
So why can't the species capture that? Right? Why can't
they capture the quantum field and then utilize it? Not
unlike how we would do with water or trees, right,
a natural aspect of the environment we can utilize and

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we turn into things and make tools out of it
and do extra things with it. So same thing, Why
can't you do that with the quantum field? Turn it
into something, make it understand its intentions or it's purity,
and help it eyed you in a very clear and
concise way. So that's basically what he's saying here, we
have this, we have God's he's using my language, but
but I don't know. He doesn't explain anything else. He

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just calls it God and says, this is our creator.
So everything we're doing here is in line with kind
of the higher force. And and of course it's very
interesting he showed So he showed me something really disturbing.
All the stuff bodies, dead bodies, cows, hybrids replacing humans,
feeling which turns out to not fully be that on
the second. Do't explain that, but the new human and

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then God is involved, the higher force field is involved,
the quantum field is involved, and it's okay, basically kind
of what's being said here. And so as I'm coming out,
there is a graph on the side, and he show
shows me the graph and it's a human in a
hybrid side by side with each other. And he said,
so the plan here is to merge this two species
into one over time. So it's the whole premise that

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it's kind of generational that it's actually designed to here,
here's your new buddies and here's you and you guys
get to know each other and maybe trust me, I
don't even know. Trust me, you guys will marry and
you'll and you'll create cross pollination, and then over time
the genetics will be kind of changed. So it's not
a it's also not a forceful erradicication of humans, but
much more natural and nature focused, which makes sense for

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me from everything I end up learning about the Grays.
So that's that they really wanted to impart this information
and everything. All he does kind of say, you know,
you're playing a part in this, Jeff Salver. He uses
my full name, and so you but the time will

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come for you to understand that. And I guess these
kind of moments are what he might be referring to,
but also the Mystic Book, which is for something else.
But yeah, that's it. They send me down and then
actually left with the feeling that, yeah, that was pretty disturbing,
but but it makes sense, right, it makes sense, And

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so yeah, that was it, and then I'm back in
the car and then the memory is phased. I'm gonna
stop using the word erased because it's more like it's
phased out.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah that's a that's a pretty big chapter. Really.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, it's central, it's central. Yeah, it's very central to
the to the story, to who they are and their purpose,
I guess, right, kind of explaining this big and it's
it's it's pretty okay to say that it's staged, right,
they wanted and they're gon, we're gonna put a cow,
you're gonna put some dead humans here, We're gonna talk
about the new human and we want him to know
these things. So yeah, it's kind of in some way staged,

(27:41):
but they're definitely trying to impart information that is very
big picture about what they're doing, you know, exactly.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Let's get to contact event number twelve. You there's a
you saw a metal disc with multi colored lights and
which later on you had an invasive procedure.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah. Yeah, this is where it gets. Okay, so this
is uh, now we get into disturbia, a lot of
lass almost disturbia, but this is this stuff scars me, right,
scars the psyche of me. Okay. So I've been traveling

(28:23):
and I feel lost. I'm now in I'm now crossed
the country. It's nineteen ninety eight, same year, and now
we're September, is that right? Yeah, September, and I've traveled
across the country. I mean nova Scotia. I found a
place to pick apples to make some money because I
ran out of money. And I'm picking apples every day
in the Annapolis Valley for those who know it, and

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I living out of my car. I found a little
you know, there's a lot of a lot of land
out in Nova, Scotia, and I found a little clear
cut where I was going. I was keeping my car
every day, and so yeah, just kind of out of nowhere.
I'm there one day after kind of after picking apples,

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and I'm one, and I was I would explore these fields,
these empty fields, and I just kind of you know,
normal exploration I would do. And I was out on
one of these backfields and my see, I can't tell
what happens here. I can't tell where at what point
things are occurring, but I do see a craft and uh,
and I see a craft in the sky and it

(29:27):
catches my eye and yeah, it's got a ring of
lights around it and it's best shaped as a as
a cone and a ring the ring of lights, and
it's it's it's it's rocking. It's rocking back and forth,
and it catches my attention. It freaks me out. And
then immediately it drops and I'm frozen and it drops
on the ground and I'm frozen, frozen, kind of like, yeah,

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just frozen, and a humanoid walks out. Now at this point,
I'm the me that knows them, so I'm aware of
the past contact events and I know to expect things
like this, so so I'm not freaking out, but I'm like,
I don't know what's going on here. And the humanoid
walks up to me. He grabs my arm. He's blonde hair,

(30:11):
he's my size, definitely my size, and kind of has
like white irises with no pupils. It's pretty weird, and
maybe there were pupils depending on the angle you look at,
but pretty much when you looked at him, he had
new pupils, and so he just white irises. And he
grabbed my arm and he's taking me in to the craft,

(30:35):
and so, okay, I don't know this guy, but I
feel it's related to everything else going on with my entities,
so I'm just not clear what's going on here. We
go inside the craft and I couldn't see a window
from outside. When I get in, there's a window and
I can see the trees in the forest in the field,

(30:57):
and the craft keeps its ramp open. We get inside
and there's a it's really interesting too. The telepathy is
like slightly different between these entities, and so this is
more just impressions. And he wants me to take my
clothes off, and I'm I comply, but I'm like, what's

(31:18):
going on here? So I actually ask him directly what's
going on here? And he said hi, So then it's
like kind of strange. Then he's like hi, something like
thank you. We're going to do an invasive procedure today,
and so you comply. It's slightly intimidating, and you comply,

(31:38):
and so I'm butt naked. I get into this bin,
this kind of depression underneath the glass window, which again
it kind of makes sense because they want my natural
environment and to me to not be too removed because
what they're about to do is very invasive. The environment

(31:59):
takes control of me and puts me flat, and I'm
kind of like hovering Alham and haw about what to
say here, but let's just say it's pretty invasive and
there's different things happening to me and and uh, and
it's it's the most invasive of them all. And so Okay,

(32:19):
big picture, it's nineteen ninety eight. The Rising happened in
nineteen ninety seven. It forced me to travel, or at
least I was the messages were to travel. And now
I'm very lost in my emotions and my feelings. And
even when I open up the memories and understand the
bigger picture, I you know, I'm feeling the I'm feeling.
I'm intuitively aware of something. I am twenty years old,

(32:42):
and I am impacting. I'm actually think i'm twenty one
at that point. I'm impacting the rest of my life.
I can feel, I'm changing, I feel the mystery is
hurting me, and I'm now I need to know, like
I need to know this is happening to me. I thought,
like it's it's such a game, the way the screwed
upness of how it all plays in my head. Because

(33:03):
it's happening behind my life and I left to go
traveling and now I'm not part of society, then it
should I should just know, Like why can't I just
know that I'm having these contact events because it's screwing
up the other guy? And uh, mister Gray, you'll never know,
No human will ever know. The feeling of fighting for themselves. Well,
one memory is obscured of you and the other one

(33:24):
doesn't know what's happening and your fight, and you want
to fight for yourself. You need I need to care
for me, and that's what happens starts happening here. I
need to know. I need to start fighting that this
happened to me, or this is happening to me. I
need to know, and and it actually it really does
break my ground. Were they trying to do this. I
don't know, Like I can't quite wrap my head around

(33:46):
if they were trying to do this or no, But
because then it would leave imprints that I would have
to explore la burdened life. Maybe I don't know, but
the bottom line is that, yeah, it was seriously invasive.
Breaks my ground. I'm pissed off and I'm also hurt,
but pissed off. It's done. I get up, I get

(34:12):
my clothes on, and there is like a thank you
for doing this, giving this to us. And immediately once
my clothes are on, I'm looking at him and the elder.
I don't call her the elder at that time. The
elder is my present transformation of the of the kind
of the feelings I would have from her about how
identify her. But the best way I called her at

(34:35):
the time was the mother. She's the mother. And so
I was pretty angry, and I was repeating, where's the mother,
Where's the mother, Where's the mother, Where's the mother? And
I was like repeating it over and over and over
again to get the message straight. And he complies. He says, oh.
There's like a feeling like, oh, okay, and that's it.
He complies. So again there's not this sense of we're

(34:56):
holding you down and we're controlling you, we're taking control
of you. There's a sense of like a bit of
freedom or respect. Even though we need this from you,
there's like a strange kind of respect that goes with it.
It's a strange, it's it's just strange, man. And and
so he complies, and I'm so I'm so emotionally moved
that I don't care what's happening anymore. Apparently, I guess.

(35:18):
The ramp goes up, and then the environment is changing
really fast outside and and it's changing like really fast,
and now it's black, and there's this feeling it's out
in an outer space and we are, by the way,
there's no Basically, all that happens is he says, now,

(35:39):
go down there. Now I didn't feel the craft merge.
I didn't feel the craft lift up and fly somewhere
and merge, and there was no like sense of that
touching something. And now there's this I could go now
docked into something. All that happens is I was once
somewhere and there's no internal feeling that anything changed. But

(36:01):
now the craft has now flown up somewhere and docked
into something. And and the door. I didn't really notice
the door the first time, and now the door's open,
and so he's like, go down there. It's like okay.
And so I'm walking and I'm I'm angry and I'm
pissed off. I'm hurt and I need to fight for
myself and and maybe they knew these feelings as I'm

(36:25):
walking in So I'm walking down this hallway that's designed
for a single individual, and it's got light bands going
down it, and it's it's pretty, it's pretty comfortably just
like an individual pathway through this you know, through this wall,
I guess, and it curves a little bit. And as
that's happening, there is like the you know, there's like

(36:48):
a there's like a intelligence, a grander intelligence that's running everything.
I guess the quantum field, the god field, who knows,
but the grander intelligence. And there is a whole sense
of like the friendliness, like it's actually not like, oh,
we're like this, this friendly vibe is overcoming me. And
then this as if something is telepathically communicating to me.

(37:10):
We're not trying to harm you, right, So there's these
kind of conflicts going on, like here I am kind
of pest and then it's got these friendly vibes and
we're not trying to harm you. And I we open
up into a or the pathway opens up into a
kind of like an auditorium. I wouldn't know. It's maybe

(37:33):
square footage, maybe seventy eighty square feet maybe can I
say that that's bigger than that. I don't have a
way of just determining. I never I never thought about
the size of it, but or how to determine the
size of it. It would be like a college room auditorium.
And it has three layers of seats going up and
there's this weird light sitting in the middle, like it's

(37:56):
kind of a sparkling shimmering light, and it really feels
like the intelligent of the craft or the ship or whatever,
the intelligence of the whole the whole thing, and it's
really giving off a vibe of what is he doing here?
Like what is he doing here? And like it doesn't
mean like he shouldn't be here. And so it's very
interesting some of these kind of conflicts. And I walk

(38:16):
in and the elder is coming out right away. So
I was put into a space where either the humanoid
told her or the craft told her, or she knows
because she's observing psychically, I don't know. And she's walking
down and she's like completely friendly, my friend, how's it going?
What's going on? So there's a slight sense of concern,

(38:37):
and I'm like, is there just might just bunched out
right away? Is there any way that I can know?
Like I have to be able to know. Is there
any way that I can know? I have to know
that this is happening to me? And sit down, Jeff.
So she's concerned. She sits down, She gives me attention
to sit down, and and I'm like, okay, calm myself down.

(39:00):
I like, okay, is there any way that I could know?
I have to know that this is occurring to me.
Is there any way that we can we can do that?
And I'm actually sending her an image in my mind
of like kind of a friendly Hey, you know, maybe
we can like imagining us on a computer screen and
like the way she would do with me. So I'm
sending her an image of like me and her side
by side and making it easy for me. And and

(39:22):
she's like, she leans in, Jeff, that cannot happen. It's impossible,
and I'm like, I can't. I can't do this anymore.
I can't. I can't do this anymore. And I'm basically
freaking out with her that this has happened to me,
and she's basically like, you, but this is the agreement

(39:45):
you signed up for this, this is what you agree to,
the path, it's already been laid out. This is the
way it's this is the way your past moves. So
there's really nothing else you can do about it. And
basically she gives me trying to give me advice. It's
really sweet. She is trying to help me. She is like,
you know, be like the person you were when before

(40:07):
you left. That was really hard because I was so
screwed up at that point, and she's also like, you know,
like you have to figure this out. That's what I
can't do that for you. You have to figure that
part out for you. But life is like a game,
like you have to play it like it's a game,
and you know, be like you were like, try to
you know, come to you know, forget about the past
and be in the present. Basically was kind of the

(40:28):
was the emphasis. She's like, but you can't stay here now,
you have to go back, And of course, what does
that mean for me is living in the mystery of
it all. So I actually start fighting back, and it's
really safe to say that the entities are hyper sensitive
to your intention, and my intention went from trying to
be calm and consider it. How can I get this

(40:50):
information across to screw you. I'm fighting back now, and
literally when she tells me to go back, I'm like, no,
I Am not going back. I kind of like raise,
like telepathically raise my voice. And then what happens here
ends up being a scar. Actually, so when you communicate

(41:13):
with them, they're they're they kind of telepathically envelop you.
They really you really get in their eyes, and there's
this kind of sense that you're kind of in their
world and it helps you connect with them. Well, she
kind of like retracts, and it's one of the clearest
memories I have of her face. This this you know,

(41:35):
the jaw, the dark reflective eyes, the slit, but the skin,
the skin on her and and so she retracted her energy,
is what she did. And I see this crystal clear
face and she's get off that ship. She basically yells telepathically,
is what she does. And she also slaps me simultaneously.

(41:57):
But it's freaky as hell to be slapped psychically because
then you don't know, you don't know how much more
they could do, right, It's so it's just it's it's
it's one of the most terrifying moments I've ever had
with her directly, and one of them would definitely be

(42:17):
on the field as a sixteen year old, but this
is this, this is definitely one of the top. And
the slap is Yeah, she slaps me, and I get terrified,
and that's it. I can't I can't fight back that.
And I'm also terrified, and I actually get so terrified
I raise my arm actually ah, and I kind of
like scream out. And then that said, I kind of

(42:37):
walk back and and I go back to the craft
and I feel I feel now it's all all the
impressions are coming in. I feel duped, I feel tricked.
I feel like they they screwed me over all that
other stuff and what ends up happening here too. I'm
very in this day and age presently. What I'm doing,

(43:00):
like over the last couple of months, is really analyzing
the mental states I'm in as I'm moving in and out,
because it's still kind of really confusing to me the
contact events, how they how they got hidden. But what
I'm aware of is the state I'm in mentally before
a transition kind of gets preserved, and that's what happens here.

(43:21):
So I had the fight. I'm disgruntled. I'm losing faith
that this was right to do. I feel tricked, i
feel duped, And I'm back in the craft and I'm
not even like interested in the human humanoid and I
feel duped. And he's actually trying to give me an
impression of like thank you, thank you for giving this
to me. It's and I have no interest interest Like

(43:43):
I used to be so fascinated with all the technology.
Now I just feel like I have to protect myself.
And the craft goes back down exactly to the spot
I was in or I was on the field. The
door opens up and I'm let out. I just walk
out on my own, knowing that there's going to be
a rasion of the memory. And that's it. It fades out.

(44:05):
And then, yeah, those those impressions very subconscious, but they
linger and kind of the confusion and the and the
and the uncomfort about what's going on with my life
and yeah, and all lingers and part of the traveling.
And that's that.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Amazing. Now, Uh, chapter twenty four, you talk about a
man in black searching for you that Yeah, yeah, he
actually knew your a nickname that was given to you
by your like your brother as a child. But you know,
how did this person know about this nickname? Yeah, you know,

(44:44):
being like not a part of the family. So that's
a bit creepy. So what happened?

Speaker 2 (44:48):
It's creepy. Yeah, Okay, so there's a weird Yeah, so
I'll end up having a contact event. Actually, let me
explain it how the memories came out here. I had
a contact event. Uh, when all the memories are coming out,
they kind of came out sequentially. And then I there
was a period where I was living with my brother
so Kia nineteen ninety eight, I traveled. I ended up

(45:11):
in Nova Scotia. I did a whole bunch of traveling.
I ended up in Newfoundland. I spent the winter in Newfoundland,
had a series of more contact events, and that trauma
got trauma didn't get resolved, but I got I got answers.
The guy behind the life, the answer to why all
the biology was happening and all this invasiveness was happening,

(45:32):
actually got resolved and resolved good enough that I wasn't
terrified of them anymore or trying to run away from
them anymore. And so that's it's the winter of nineteen
ninety eight going to nineteen ninety nine. By by the
spring of nineteen ninety nine, I get kind of stuck
with money and stuck. I I don't have a car anymore.

(45:52):
I get flown back to I fly back UH to Coquitlam,
and I ended up living with my brother in Port Coquitlam,
and he lives by the river. And for the couple
months I was staying with him as I was gaining
some money to go traveling again, I have a contact event,
and I was aware I had I was aware, like
when the memories are coming out, that something had happened here.
And then of course all the memories come out, and

(46:14):
it's I basically get. I don't get lured out, but
I get. I become the me that knows them in
my brother's apartment and yeah, there's actually a contact event
with a man in black and a gray alien outside
in the by the river. But I had the memory out,
and then maybe maybe months did I start remember, like

(46:35):
trying to You're trying to comb through these years and
all the all the weirdness that could have had, all
the events, and I didn't actually put something together until yeah,
several months after the memories route that. Wait a minute,
there was a weird event the year before when I
stayed at my brother's place with a man who was
looking for me. And that was very suspicious because I

(46:56):
was traveling who that was looking for me. So the
story goes in nineteen ninety eight, before I travel across Canada,
before the tenth contact event with the twin, I stayed
at my brothers for like a single day or maybe
two days something like that. Very totally brief, two or
three days. Maybe I'm grabbing supplies to go across Canada.
So that's nineteen ninety eight. It would have been like

(47:18):
June or something, late June and nineteen ninety eight. And
while I'm there, it is the brief time I'm there,
I might be down downtown im I might have met
a friend, or I may have met with someone. Someone
comes looking for me and the man, my step my
sister in law opens the door and the guy says,
is Jeffy there. Yeah, so my only my brother called

(47:42):
me Jeffy, and of course my step sister would have
called me Jeffy too. So my family, my inner family,
called me Jeffy. And she says, no, no, but he'll
be back soon, and you know, you can come back
looking for him at this time. And he said, okay,
no problem, and that was it. That's it. I come
back and my stepsister said, hey, yeah, someone was here

(48:02):
looking for you. And I'm like, well, who would that be?
And I assume maybe it's a friend, but I can't
really think of who I told I was where, Like
the circle was very tiny. I'm traveling, and also I'm
like not in contact with people, and and so I
didn't understand. I said, well, who's who's that? I don't know.
He kind of looked like a police officer, but I

(48:24):
didn't really know. He said he was looked dressed in black.
He looked like a police officer. And I said, oh, well,
and he said yeah, and he was asking for Jeffy.
He said, you're lying, You're just lying. I can't even know.
I'm not lying. Why would I lie to you about this?
I said, it doesn't make any sense. Why would someone
name hey only you know that Jeffy And she said, no,
I tell you, he said, Jeffy. I'm like, you're no,

(48:45):
you're lying. Doesn't make any sense. And why who's looking
for me? It's impossible that someone be looking for me
this time. It doesn't make any sense. And then she
uh uh what did she say? She said, yeah, he's yeah,
well he had he had the black outfit. But yeah,
he was looking for you. And that's pretty much about it.
And I said, well, maybe maybe it's something to do
with like speeding tickets. But again the police, like the

(49:06):
insurance didn't have my brother's name on it, Like nothing
made sense. There would be no one should be looking
for me. It didn't make any sense any type of
an official should be looking for me. That was it
such a weird random in memory and I had never
found an answer for it. And funny enough, I was
actually when I renewed my insurance maybe a year or
two later, still had that in my head enough that
I thought, oh, I wonder if that ticket that that

(49:28):
police officer was looking for was going to come up.
There's no ticket, so I and I just put it back.
That was it, and the memory got buried and I
never thought about it ever again. And here I am
remembering a contact event with the men in black at
my brother's place a year later. So yeah, what happens
is in nineteen ninety nine, Now I'm at my brother's place,
spending a couple months there after traveling across Canada and

(49:53):
basically become the me that knows them inside my brother's
house and I'm aware. So I I had a huge
amount of biological contact events and are occurring consistently, and
it's it was very awful. I didn't like it, and
at this point I hadn't seen them in months, so
there was a feeling of like, oh, that's done. I

(50:14):
was like, Okay, maybe that's done now, and and I
did actually have good times with them otherwise, so I
was actually excited to afford, you know, them to kind
of be in my presence. And so I was excited.
And I basically know to go outside. There is a
kind of a feeling. I'm putting my shoes on, and

(50:35):
there's a telepathic feeling of you don't need those. So
I literally go out my bare feet. Not unusual that I,
as a hippie kid, I would have done something like that.
And I walk through the grass of this kind of
backyard and it's during the day, and I come around
through a pathway and I go down. I actually can
feel right, I can as I'm going through the bushes.

(50:56):
I can feel come here, I come down this way,
and I can feel so these like it's really neat
to think about because he's observing me somehow, and then
he's directing me as he's observing me telepathically, I guess,
or you know, remote viewing. I guess he's doing that.
And so he tells me to come down, and I
come down to this pathway and there's a gray alien.
Now who this gray alien is to is? It could

(51:19):
have been the twin but I don't know that I
I don't he didn't have that kind of impression, but
I just I don't know. He's short, like the twin was.
And and then there's this man in black. He's wearing
a black trench coat, black fedora. He is awkward and
he doesn't quite come off as a human and and

(51:44):
basically the Gray is like, this is our friend, and
so he know, he's projecting a friend a friend energy
to me, like and I'm like, hi, how you like,
how are you doing? Almost? And then he's like, this
is our friend. So there's a weird sensation of like
we're all amongst friends. So it was a really like
trying to make sure it was all feeling, like a

(52:05):
feel good feeling between the three of us. And and
he said, so we're not done with you yet. He's
gonna need to take biology from you. He's gonna need
to take your DNA and need to take biology from you.
And he at this point, I, yeah, I again, I

(52:25):
just complyed. I comply, And you know, I comply at
this point because it was obvious this stuff was behind
my life. I couldn't stop it. And and they did
give me a break from it. And at that point,
also the previous contact event wasn't biological, so they are
saying like, this is not gonna last forever. And and

(52:47):
I did have some empathy at that point because they
had actually given me a break from all the biology
that I kind of complied again. So he actually, uh,
the man in black actually takes he takes blood from me.
He takes something like kind of puts something on me,
and it takes blood out of me. And yeah, there
is a biological exchange. I won't go into too much more,

(53:09):
but what that biology is. What's really interesting is at
some point it's kind of earlier in the contact events,
as if you can feel when you're being watched, there
was a craft in the sky and I'm just it
just it rings that this craft was part of this
humanoid and then it just feels like I'm the grays experiment.

(53:33):
And then they're tossing me off to these other species
and they're kind of controlling it. They're trying to kind
of control who gets me and who doesn't get me.
And so like the twelfth contact event that I explained earlier,
the humanoid was taking that again, there's these ideas of like, hey,
he's we did this experiment with this kid. Now we're gonna,
you know, toss him off to you every now and
then to other other species we have other agreements with

(53:56):
I don't know. And so that's kind of what happens here.
This man in black actually ends up taking my biology,
my DNA, and my genetics, and that's it. They steal
it out, basically, Okay, you can go. Now, the whole
thing happens out in daylight, and I don't have an
answer for that, except for maybe stopped time or something.
I don't know. I don't have the answer for what

(54:17):
actually occurs there. And and that's it. And I go
back up and then again I'll say the memories phased
out and not a race, but phased out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Yeah, let's get into contact number twenty, because that like
if you just had DNA take in. And at this point,
the elder says to you that he wants you to
move down south.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Yes, yes, okay, So what's happening here is it's the
end of this period. So there's some really weird parts
to this that are undeniable. You know, when I first

(55:03):
came out with these memories, a lot of people were
they didn't want to believe it. In my personal sphere,
they don't want to believe it. But second to that,
they always feared if they did believe it, well, am
I going to be taken? Am I gonna be used
for biology? And these very scary ways, and how do
you know you're not gonna be used for biology? And
I was like, I'm not. Like. It took me maybe

(55:24):
some time to wrap my head around it, but there
was a period and then it was done. And the
reality is they stuck around and then they helped align
myself with my partner. And it's very clear to me
now in the present, I had these two timelines, the
blue and red holographic timeline, so they were very interested

(55:46):
in this period of my life, these two periods of
my life, and the red hologram is the time of
the traveling period. And then what's obvious to me is
that they were interested in lining me up with my soulmates.
So my higher self basically saying, great aliens, you interact here,
but make sure you connect us with connect me with

(56:06):
my partner, who is my soulmate, who I spend spending
you know, eons reincarnating with, and the other people that
she surrounds herself with are my soule group as well too,
So there was this interest against I can see my
own higher self saying like, make sure you do that,
you connect us, and then the grades are responsible. There
was a sense that they needed to hook us up,

(56:28):
connect us, And so that's the overarching part about what's
happened here. The other neat twist and bizarre twist to
this is, you know how part of the phenomenon is
when contact these like if you're a contact, he might
have a sighting, but then they might forget about the sighting. Now,

(56:51):
like it plays a weird game in the brain where
you might, oh, hey, we all saw a craft one
night and it was definitely a V shaped craft and
oh my god. And then you ask your friend about
it a week later and he forgets about it, and
you're like, watch, that's weird. And then you forget about
it like a couple weeks later, and then all these
years later you come back and you're like, why didn't
we talk about that anymore? Very strange, and there's a

(57:13):
weird phenomenon going on here with the mind when when
we talk about these contact events, Well, for the longest time,
I actually always thought the moment I made the choice
to meet my wife was a couple of weeks before
I met her. And then it wasn't ntil the contact
events came out that I forgot I actually was gonna

(57:34):
go up north. I was actually gonna I was making
a choice to travel all the way up north, and
I had a whole plan, and I forgot I'd actually
turned around and came back, and I couldn't wrap my
head around it. I couldn't wrap my head around what
the hell I actually I was going to alter my
entire life and not travel. I'll not be on this timeline,
and here is a contact event right in the middle

(57:55):
of it. And until I unravel everything and that I
understand that they were the ones responsible for this. So
here's how it goes. So I spent We're now in
the year two thousand, nineteen ninety nine, the winter of
ninety nine, and got spent on Hornby Island, and I'm
making plans what to do for the next summer. I'm traveling.
I'm living out of a backpack. I'm going from farm

(58:15):
to farm and place to place, meeting people and I
and you know, it just feels like there's nothing to
do with my life except for have adventures and meet people.
So here was an adventure. I'm gonna go all the
way up north. I'm gonna go to the I'm gonna
go to Yukon, and I'm going to go to see
the North Sea with my own eyes. That was it.
I didn't know what else to do with myself. I
was basically lost. So this is my plan. I start hitchhiking.

(58:39):
My sister in law drops me off at Hope, and
I have to make some choices. I stay at some
My plan is to stay at some farms on the
way up. And like right away, there's weird synchronicities. Someone
is singing. He is singing a song from the nineties
Runaway Train, Never going Back one way on a one

(59:03):
way track, and it felt like the song was being
sung for me. It was really strange, and it felt
like a song about someone who was lost, right, And
I kind of like it just I was. And I
really felt like my higher self was like listen to this,
and I was like, why do I feel that way?
It's really strange, and I just took it in didn't
know what to do with it. I learned the bus
would cost too much take too long. So I decided

(59:24):
to hitchhike from Hope going up up BC, and on
the way I got picked up. I got picked up
by a drunk driver. It's kind of scary to be
hitchhiking get picked up by a drunk driver because your
life is on the line, and you also don't want
to antagonize him. So I tried to play calm and
vision my success to get to where I was trying
to go. He ends up dropping me off, and then

(59:46):
another guy picks me up, and this other guy is
kind of emotionally unstable, and I rate in the truck.
So it's an awful ride. Going up north. I like
and I'm very sensitive to the synchronicities and the things
you attract to yourself, especially when you're traveling and you're
kind of in this spiritual space. So something felt off
about going up north. I didn't quite understand it. It's
almost like it was kind of agitating the feelings that
maybe I wasn't really one hundred percent certain I wanted

(01:00:07):
to do this, but I didn't know what else to
do with myself. I'm just traveling, and that's it's kind
of made logical sense. You may do a new adventure,
and I'm staying at the farm on a one hundred milehouse.
I decided to stay there for maybe a week or
two while I let spring turn into summer. So I
was wanting for snow to melt. And by this point
some snow was already on the ground, was still melting,
but on the ground one hundred milehouse. And so I'm

(01:00:30):
staying at a farm there and I'm I don't know.
He he leaves and he basically says, dig up these
tree roots. And I'm on the farm and I'm digging
up tree roots and I become the mean that knows them.
And I see a craft and this craft is familiar.
I've actually been in this craft once before. It's i

(01:00:51):
quote unquote called the Elder's craft. And it's flying up,
flying up, and I basically get beamed inside. It is
such a brief contact event, but simply the elder is
like like warm, warm feelings are like kind of surround me,
and basically like she's implying like like what are you doing?

(01:01:14):
Like what are you doing? You need to turn her around,
you need to go back south. And she actually interestingly
interestingly sends me an image of like of a map,
so she's using my frame of reference and I found
that really interesting. And she's like, my kind of geographical
frame of reference. You need to go back south. You
need to turn around and go back south, is what

(01:01:35):
she said. And I said why she did? What's there
for me? She said your future? And I was like, okay, boom,
that's it. She sent me back down. So at a
single contact event where she's basically implying you need to
change this kind of direction you're going and you need
to go back south and uh. And on the field,
I'm making the choice, like, you know what, I got

(01:01:56):
to stick to this because especially when you mentally, when
you kind of make directions, when you put yourself into
a certain direction in your life and you've done it mentally,
you really feel like, no, no, no, no, I'm committed
to this because I've done ABCD to fulfill this, then
I'm going to go all the way with it. And

(01:02:18):
I had to fight that part of me and I
do it right in the field, I'm like, okay, you no,
you know what, without knowing about the contact event, I'm
literally changing my mind and forcing myself to listen to
myself and say no, no, no, turn around. I want to
go back south, and I'm unclear, uncertain about my direction
and my choice to do that until I actually start
hitchhiking to go back south again, and I feel really

(01:02:39):
good and I'm like, Okay, you know what, this is
the right move, and I get picked up again and
then going all the way to my next destination, I
decided to explore southern BC, and I really love the islands,
so I decided to explore, go on court, go to
Cortez Island, and then the traveling there was really beautiful.
I ended up getting picked up by a guy who

(01:03:00):
who fed me, let me stand his boats overnight in
the Sunshine Coast. It's really sweet. So it actually had
like what was obviously bad synchronosies going up turned into
good synchronosies going down, and it just kind of confirmed
for me my feelings. But all these years later, I
completely forgot I was making a choice to go up north.
I just like I just forgot about it. I didn't

(01:03:23):
really remember that I made that choice. And again I
always said that the me meeting my wife was determined by,
you know, the choice choice I made a couple of
weeks before I met her, and nothing to do with
the fact that I was actually really never gonna be
and I wasn't going to be in BC at all
for the summer, and so it's really fascinating to me
that that that happened and they kind of were guiding

(01:03:44):
this moment to try and link us up. So yeah, amazing, Yeah,
it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
How do you feel like being guided because you do
have a mission sorts so, and you're being.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Mean at that time. Yeah, yeah, well that was all
part of the experiment, so that guiding felt like the responsibility.
It actually feels like I don't want to fully say that,
but there is a sense of like they got me
together with my wife, but it was clearly an agreement

(01:04:19):
on the of my higher self and and I really
did go through hell. So there is a sense of
like of like them finishing it off, like they need
they needed to finish that off, they needed to make
that happen because they are the ones who initiated the traveling,

(01:04:42):
and it really did leave decades a decade of like disturbing,
Like I was really I got traumatized by what happened
to me and never mind the Okay, the guy who's
conscious of the event was traumatized, but only realized that
some kind of like trauma occurred on the other side too.
The guy who was having the contact events, he was
fighting for himself. He was fighting for me. I'm fighting

(01:05:04):
for myself. So yeah, it's like I end guided, but
it's kind of like they're using their powers to rectify
something or to or to help to help this move
go in the direction it needs to so I can
gain peace. And I think because the nature of the experiment,
it required it, and so it does have a it's

(01:05:24):
there is so you're probably right, it can have a
couple of perspectives of it, but there is a bigger
picture that they this, They should have done this, and
they didn't do it, so they were responsible for doing it.
And the number two is it is fascinating and beautiful
that they put me and my wife together and also
led me to my guru for that fact as well too,

(01:05:45):
which was needed for this as well.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
So yeah, because it's understandable on one side, like you're
not really in control a bit of your life to
well to that extent, but you're also being guided and
protected to have the yod a good outcome.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Let's say, yeah, yeah, and you're having it unaware you're
having it. So I didn't know. I wasn't aware, and
all I had was my intuition. So then your intuition
is saying and you know, the intuition knows that higher
self knows that they're there. So all you have is
that you know what the worst could happen, and I'm

(01:06:25):
gonna be protected. And that really is the fundamental whole
thing about the Traveling Times, Right. I got put into
Newfoundland the dead of winter, and I have nowhere to stay,
and if I don't find a place, I'm going to
freeze to death. And lo and behold, I have a synchronicity,
and I got led to a house where I can
stay the entire winter. That's the type of stuff going on.

(01:06:48):
So they ended up there was a feeling of yeah,
it is this amazing guidance protection element that has a
huge level of complexity about agreements and uh and experiments
and yeah. So it's it's fascinating and magical and logical simultaneously.

(01:07:10):
It's very fascinating. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Chapter twenty six, the alien ancient one that you met
in the kay that's I was probably I really liked
that one. Get into that contact event.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Yeah, So okay, uh yeah, I got turned around from
coming up north and going back down, so I'm back.
I'm heading to Cortez Island. That's that's the directly the
space I went. And instead of traveling, I thought, you
know what, I'm gonna stay in one location for a
long time. I'm just changing it up. Okay, I got
I had this intuition to change my change up my style.

(01:07:44):
So now I'm going to embrace that. So instead of
you know, constantly traveling, which is what I thought was
supposed to do here, now I feel like, okay, let's
stay in one spot. So I actually stay in Cortez
Island for for a month on a farm. By the way,
for those who are confused by humpstaying on these on
all these farms, this was willing workers tour willing workers
on organic farms. So I was woofan and I had

(01:08:05):
a little booklet, and I was choosing farms I could
call up and as a member and I could just
stay on their farm. And it helped me travel, helped
me find people and meet people and connect and have
these magical adventures. So I'm going Cortez Island, which is
northern Gulf islands up here on by Vancouver Island.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
And.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
It's it's beautiful as I have. I connect with the father,
the husband, and they own a three hundred acres two lakes.
It's the northern end of Cortez Islands, so it's just past.
Their property is just forest, so they had cougars and
where and wolves not wear wolves, but wolves. I have
amazing run ins with wolves. I see wolves physically, and

(01:08:51):
the island I don't know about presently, but at that time,
you could hear them at night time. So I had
a cabin and then I would hear them in the
middle of the night. It was amazing and just haunting
and you and I was always you know that sense
exactly as mentioned, that sense of like protection, so that
I'm always pushing my boundaries knowing I'm protected. I was
kind of like playing it like that. So then I
would go out in the middle of the night listen

(01:09:12):
to the wolves and stuff. And it's really weird every time.
I kind of not every time, but a lot of
the times when I'm pushing my boundaries. All these years later,
it turned out to be a contact of me. So
that's what happens here. I want to I don't even
I don't know what the hell I'm thinking. All these
years later, still I don't know what the hell I'm thinking.
But I wanted to sleep out on the lake with

(01:09:36):
no tent, knowing there were wolves that so that's the
state I wasn't at the time, and I was just like,
if something said that's edgy, my intuition said, I want
to do it. So I was kind of like that
I had this this, I could hear the wolves, and
I want I don't know, I kind of had this
I want to be a part of this or something.
I don't even know. So I decided I brought my my,

(01:09:58):
my sleeping bag out. I may have told the owners,
so if you hear something, you'll know it's me screaming
or something. I don't know how. I can't remember how
I dealt with the owners, but but I definitely went
out and I basically for night. I put my tent
out or not my not my sleeping bag, and so
I was out on the open right beside the lake
and actually turned out to be a contact event. And

(01:10:21):
so now these are where there's some weird, weird things
about the moments. I'm transitioning over again. I said, I'm
actually kind of exploring all this stuff now, trying to
unravel it. And in this moment, I'm already I'm already up.
I'm not I'm not in bed sleeping and waking up

(01:10:43):
to the me that knows them. I'm up, and I'm
actually already beside the uh uh, the the lake, and
I got my clothes on, and I have some theories
about the thorough body uned and and and and shape
shifting aliens and consciousness how this is happening, and it's

(01:11:08):
tied to the to the dual element of me that's
part of them, that's part of me simultaneously, and that
somehow this is all able to happen. So yeah, I
wake up and I'm I'm I'm beside the and I'm
already to me that knows them, so I'm actually expecting them.
So it's this weird like thing, and but I don't
know what to expect. And there's a there's a ball

(01:11:29):
of light coming down the lake had a slight mountain,
like a slight hill, and the ball of light coming
down the side and it's coming over the lake and
it's lighting everything up. It's lighting up all the trees.
So it's really low, and I can't quite make out
what this is. It's not a huge craft, and I'm
not really clear what I'm looking at except for I

(01:11:50):
know it's them, and it gets closer and closer. It's
making waves on top of the water, and it beams
me inside, and I'm in a black space and there
is a I can't move, but I can move my head.
It's kind of weird, and there is a computer console

(01:12:12):
at the front, so it's kind of more like five
feet away. So I'm as if I am in a
single occupant craft with no driver, and I'm behind a seat,
so I'm standing looking down at a console where someone
would sit, and then their console is lit up with
a blue or blue blue spiral. It's kind of spiraling

(01:12:34):
like this the console and so lighting up a little
area with a little computer area. And so what it
really feels like is the craft is alive. It's aware
of me, and it picked me up, and now it's
firing me off and I'm going somewhere, and there's a
consciousness feeling that the craft is flying really fast, and
it's actually feelings like it's kind of flying over water,

(01:12:54):
and I have no knowledge about where I'm going and
I'm aware that they're in control, and da da da da,
and and then there's it's really interesting all the different
little details. Uh there's like an orange portal that opens
up to the side and I just know to go
through it. I'm like okay, and I kind of like
walk in and I got beamed out and I'm taking
I'm on a plank. I'm so used to this at

(01:13:19):
this point. This is, yeah, what are we twenty twenty
eighth contact event? So I'm so used to all all
this kind of changing upness that was like egotistical. Something
was going on. I wasn't egotistical, but also the kind
of exhaustion of traveling and the unknown element and the
kind of just leading me on. And so there's this
whole side of the guy who's traveling, who's like trying

(01:13:40):
to accept his life that this is this is reality.
And then the guy who knows what's going on is
also kind of like worn out by it all. It's like, well,
what's going on here? Man? So so I'm not fascinated.
I guess that's the point'm trying to make. I'm not like,
oh wow, this was so cool. I'm just like Okay,
what's going on, guys? And so they got, you know,
traveled by a craft that's its self intelligent, and beamed
me what, I'm on a plank, I'm a base And

(01:14:01):
I'm like whatever, And I'm like, I walk out and
I'm walking down a plank. And then there is the
Elder and she is standing beside a taller entity and
and this entity is wearing a robe, has that has
a collar. Yeah, and she would be a great alien
and and she's a bit bigger and and so I'm like,

(01:14:25):
don't know what's going on? As always, and uh, basically,
the Elder, no, I actually have a weird thing happens
right in the the beginning of it. I don't know
if I put in the book or not, but it's
I'm having psychological I can't hold the dual soul anymore.
I can't I can't hold the higher self dual soul thing.
I'm fighting with myself internally. The guy's traveling and that

(01:14:46):
snaps here and I kind of am aware of it.
And I don't think I put some of those conflicts
in the book because it's just too much detail. But basically,
the Elder says, this is our this is our ancient one,
and she's actually telepathic to projecting the that's my interpretation

(01:15:07):
of the word of what she actually projected. It was
a signature of an ancient one who is like a
long living being that has great wisdom. So that's kind
of more like what this, this this imprint was. And
I could feel in the communication to me about this
entity that the elder was reverent. So the elder had

(01:15:28):
reverence for this entity. And that's really I just found
that kind of really wild. And so she she basically
reached out to me, this ancient alien one. She reaches
out to me, grabs my hand, across my hand, and
she's wearing a ring. She's wearing like a ring with

(01:15:50):
like a blue hologram on it, and she connects eyes
with me, and and I don't know what's going on.
And then she says, your path will align right again.
Only even when the memories came out, I didn't know
what these pictures. I didn't know the grander picture of
what's being said here. And now I understand the timelines

(01:16:11):
of meeting my wife to get to fulfill this end
period and we can move on and I can live
my life. So she's actually as if they're concerned that
maybe I won't connect, and so they're they're they're double confirming,
and then they have this into an alien one like
looking into my to my future or something I don't
even know, and says, yeah, your your path will align right,

(01:16:32):
So there's kind of confusion about it. That's it. I'm
basically we turn around, or they turn around, and they
want me to follow them, and I walk alongside them
and we can go into this cave. So we're sorry.
I was on the plank. Let me describe this environment
a little bit, because again I didn't really pay a
lot of attention to it in the moment. So I'm

(01:16:52):
on a plank and it's actually rock walls, and then
the elder and this ancient alien one were actually in
the entrance of a cave, and so the plank goes
to the wards of this cave. I could smell salt
water near and I actually could hear as if water
was like like my impression is that we just came
out of a portal or came out of a of

(01:17:14):
a something the tube or something, and then and it
opened up for this craft and then waterhead or like
or maybe when the craft comes through it has water
on it, and then as it comes through into this
base under the ocean, which is the feeling here that
it brings water with it. And so there's kind of
water dissipitating like a hitting concrete and I can hear it.
And then there's there's like drips on the wall like

(01:17:35):
as if so there is a sense that I'm underneath
the water and the ocean and there isn't equatorial there's
a tumid here, so there's a feeling of like equatorial climate.
And so, uh so I met the the ancient one,
the elder, and we decide or they turn around and
we walk together after that initial interaction, and we're walking
down this hallway into into a cave or like in

(01:17:57):
the cave, yeah, but it's like carved out the rock walls,
and then there's a normal I don't know if it's concrete,
it wouldn't be concrete, but it's a normal flat walk
walkway and an arched cave. And then there's a door
to the right, and the ancient alien one kind of
sets herself up and then uses her hand for me
to go inside the door. The door is open and

(01:18:20):
I and I'm like, okay, and I walk inside and
there are these like okay, there's these glass cribs. So
I'm walking in, so to my left are these kind
of diagnosed left glass cribs all in a row, and

(01:18:40):
then kind of more in front of me is a
single glass crib in the middle of those the two
rows that it's kind of more center to me, and
it's got tubes or it's got like a mechanical things
going on going down into this glass crib. And then
there's these nurses. There's slightly elongated cone female nurses tending

(01:19:05):
to these babies. Basically there's babies in them, and and
really weird, like just trippy moments. I'm in this space
and I look back at the elder like okay, you're
showing me this. I'm like looking at the not the elder,
the ancient one, and she says, you were one of these,
and that's really weird. All these years later, I pull

(01:19:28):
out my childhood memories and I have a baby memory
inside of a crib, dealing and being lifted up by
one of the by the elder actually convinced of it.
So that's really consistent that there would be that maybe
that's what she's referring to I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
And.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
So there was like this idea of like kind of
look at them, and so I'm looking at the I
go in and I look at some of the babies
and their other eyes are black and they have slightly
slightly bigger cranyan and yeah, it's slightly disturbing and weird.

(01:20:05):
And the two, the elder and the ancient one, are
just staring at me. Actually, it's very like they're interested
in me. They're interested in my reaction to this. And
I look at the two and then I actually go
and look at that single crib that has the electronic
stuff going into it. I don't really I think it's

(01:20:28):
a mantis type entity, but I don't really know. It's
a baby rat almost had a snout, and then it's
got a device covering its head and the cables were
going into its head, and so the cables coming down,
we're going into this crib and going into the head
of this device that's carrying and it's got a white

(01:20:49):
gown on it, and it's kind of like in distress.
It's a crying and again I can't quite I don't
really know if it's telepathically crying. I don't really believe
it was making a noise, but it could have been
telepathically crying. And uh and so you know, I'm in
a nursery, right and uh and I'm like, what are
you gonna do with these babies? And she's basically, uh,
the ancient one says, we're going to treat them. And

(01:21:14):
I just found that really really weird. And uh so
one of the things she says is, so I ask like,
why did you show this to me? Like, what's what's
the connection here? What's the bigger picture? And you will
one day know and be a part of this, So
I guess that's the present. Maybe this could haven't dealt

(01:21:37):
with any hybrids yet, so maybe uh physically and this
yet with all my memories out, so maybe uh there's
still much more to come. But so again just doesn't
make sense. I'm kind of about loss, right, this is
the first time I'm being shown that these kind of details.
And uh so the elder actually we actually leave the space.
I kind of don't know what to make of any

(01:21:58):
of the stuff, and then we collectively leave and the
outside in the hallway, the elder actually signals with the
telepathic feeling of fulfill your curiosity, so I get to
ask a bunch of questions. Here. Now they've done this.
This is what the twin part was too. She preempted

(01:22:20):
the twins tenth contact event back in the ninth with
the ninth contact event, saying, you can ask them anything
you want. So there was a whole point where they
really wanted they were. They were the these entities and
the elder were giving it opportunities to ask questions. And
here's another, so fulfill your curiosity, ask questions. So I
still hadn't gotten the full answer about where they're from

(01:22:41):
at that point, and uh, so I asked where are
you from? And uh and the ancient alien one says,
yours ed Articuli star system. So she says that I
still not clear what they are. So what are you?
And uh? We are a an amalgamation like we are

(01:23:02):
a We are a genetic species that is amalgamated. Basically
is what it is like. An combination of a bunch
of different genetics have bade us and our species is
actually a lot longer than your humans have been thinking
for yourself, I don't know what that means. It means
hundreds of thousands of years or an if not longer,
but this idea that there's kind of a mishmash going

(01:23:23):
on and things are being combined and contorted to make
who and what they are presently, I ask her, can
you tell me more about you? And she basically says,
you can't comprehend what I am, but I make I
facilitate my species kind of dimensional spirituality something along those lines,

(01:23:49):
like like an idea that she's grounding the species in
kind of a mystical knowledge and the miss to goal
knowledge about themselves. And actually what it does for me
presently is kind of has me understanding some bigger pictures
that I'm actually convinced the the the entities are spiritual

(01:24:09):
and they perceive their dimensional experience as spiritual and uh,
and that it's not a religion per se. But you know,
because human religion is filled with dis like a belief systems,
we don't know what we believe, and the these entities
clearly know, they know the afterlife, they know this stuff,
but they still might be actually having spiritual reverence, sacredness

(01:24:29):
and worship that goes alongside of it. And those are
things with which I willoks I experienced that experienced in
the White Room where they knew I was going to transform,
they turned it into this big spiritual event and uh,
and so they're they're definitely understanding that that that's a
real thing. And then also here they're with the elder
feeling reverent towards this miss, this ancient one. So there

(01:24:52):
is an idea here that the entities themselves have reverence sacredness.
So there is a it's really fascinating that they don't
have that disbelief part or that belief part going on,
but they actually have the they still are there's still
a spirituality with their dimensionality, which is really fascinating, I think.

(01:25:13):
And then basically it gets implied that that something is
coming around the corner for me, and uh, and I
think it means my groom because like, uh, I think,
I say something like, I've never met something like you before,
I don't know what you are, like, I've never met
something like you, and she says, you will and help

(01:25:35):
is coming, is kind of all all coming along the way,
And I do believe that that's a reference to I
was having psychological separation from my higher self and kind
of having my own problems with what had happened to me.
The traveling and the kind of trauma that had left.
And now they're saying, yeah, your help is coming and
it's coming around the corner, and and oh yeah, I

(01:25:56):
actually and I do ask how can I become like you?
Because I assumed that I would become a great alien.
I was they told me I was one of theirs.
So the guy who's living that life thinks he's going
to become a gray alien. And you can't become like us, you,
but you can become like you. You become you can
become the star that you've been trying to become. And

(01:26:17):
your help is along, is coming along the way. And
oh yeah, I also ask here, so the uh so
I had a lot of biological experiences and biological contact,
and the UH, I still didn't really understand at all

(01:26:39):
the why, the why, why why did you take all
this biology? So I get to I asked that here
at this point, why did you take my biology? And
she basically says, your pro your your protoplasm. So I
didn't know that word at the time, and it's one
of those words you look up and you're like, oh, hey,
that's actually important information. Uh. Your protoplasm helps us seed

(01:27:03):
star systems. And she sent me an image of a
star system and and and protoplasm is the is the
actual part of the cell that you would use to
to recreate life. So that's very fascinating. And then I ad,
Then I pushed, but why, but why are you doing that?
And she said, because the universe desires to be born.

(01:27:25):
Very fascinating line and uh and speaks volumes to what
they're going what they're doing here, that they're they've already
emphasized that my third contact event, they created humans, and
that there's a game here going on with their management.
They're kind of like denigods, if you will, right the
middle the middle ground god, not that they are gods
to be worshiped, but that you know that they play

(01:27:46):
a role of function, a management function. And uh, and
here they are playing management functions on other star systems,
is basically what's being said. And we create life, we
because God desires to be born, to have bodies to
be born into. So there's a service role going on here,
a spiritual, cosmic service maybe dimensional, which I assume it

(01:28:06):
is cosmic dimensional service role. And that's what she's emphasizing here.
And so I get thanked for having for having given
up my biology and and I kind of am stumped
and I don't know what else to say, and the
the telepathic vibe I guess of being stumped. They know

(01:28:27):
it's done, so they're like, Okay, that's it. Time to
go and and UH. And then I get sent back down.
I sent back to the UH down but some down
down the hallway and I get sent back to the craft,
so I'm told to go back. At that point, I
actually am walking back down the plank and I see
actually look better observation about where I was. And I

(01:28:47):
was actually in a base and the plank is above,
and there's a ground below. There's computers on on like
into the caves or into the cave walls, and then
there's entities surrounding them, and I see humanoids in grace
working together. I don't know what these humanoids species are,
but I see humanoids and grays and it's kind of
like and then there's an emphasis of like an open
hallway that would lead it to larger areas. But I'm

(01:29:10):
in this kind of like space that has a lot
of activity going on below and the craft. I'm the
craft I'm walking up towards. I actually say it looks
it reminds me of the Rendush forest craft, the kind
of compactness of it. And mine was pure black and
also very interesting. I found as Robert Sallie, I can't

(01:29:33):
remember who it is, some general who also talked about
they were at a base and there with this craft
like just you know whatever. It's one hundred feet in
the sky at the corner of the base and it
just sat there and they don't know what to do
with it. And it looked and the guy said it

(01:29:54):
looked like a pure black or Rendoaltion force craft, and
I thought, that's really weird, because that's my craft. That's
the craft I see here, and I see and it's
just sitting there, standing at the end of the dock
at the plank, and as I walk up towards it,
it just beams and I get beamed back back inside
and and I'm in. I'm in this single occupant auto
auto intelligent craft. And that's it. There's no I don't

(01:30:18):
feel the craft now moving out of the base. I
just know we're moving and and there is a sense
kind of in this like unity with the craft that
I can feel. At one point we're flying over the
water and whatever I do, I don't know the point
where I'm now back at home. I just know that bisky,
I get beamed out, and I'm back, and I'll wake

(01:30:39):
up without a sense of the contact events. I'm honest
about this stuff, without a sense of it, because that's
the state, the duel cell state going on here now
that these things are happening in like a frequency of
my own consciousness. And and I wake up and I
don't want to be there anymore. I'm like, yeah, I
wake up in the middle of the night on by
the lake in the middle of the night, and I decide, no,
I don't want to be here anymore. And I literally

(01:31:00):
pack up my stuff and I walk back to the
cabin and I sleep in the cabin and Uh, nothing
disturbing happened. It was all just kind of information and
uh and again seiling up. What will actually what's fascinating,
what does actually end up happening here is I start
having synchronicities about gurus, So here I am meeting this
kind of ancient spiritual elder one and then it triggers

(01:31:23):
something in my subconscious and I started having synchronicities, are
starting manifesting Guru synchronosity is about having a guru and
finding a gurum and it will lead me towards my wife,
will lead me towards my gurum. Yeah wow.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
So so thanks to the elder's guidance or down south
and now you've you finally you're you're gonna meet Kalika,
which you Rainbow gallery.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
That's right, that's right. Do you want me to tell
that story?

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
Yes, please, yeah, okay, this is the love the love
story in the middle of the middle of it all.
So I don't know if I've told this story in
an interview yet. Maybe I have. I don't know. So
I actually have one last contact event and it's actually

(01:32:18):
capped off this the twenty first. It happens in Squamish.
I'm staying with my aunt and my uncle. I'm looking
after their dog and well, that's right. I go up
to Hornby Island and I actually want to I take
particul a sun dance Sundance. So it happens on June

(01:32:42):
twenty first longest day of the year, and I was
the drummer and it was banging drums all whatever. It
is sixteen hours of sunlight and it's exhausting and people
have visions and they it's very powerful, very spiritual, and
I just absolutely loved it. And I was fighting to
ground myself. I like, what the hell was I traveling for?
I didn't understand it. I'm a twenty year old. I

(01:33:03):
should be going to school, should be part of society,
and and and the whole reason I went traveling, like
it's all kind of wearing out on me. And so
I am fighting with myself. Hornby Island is going to
be the place I'm gonna stay. I'm gonna stay and
stay in one place and I live and I love
Hornby Island here in the U, both Islands and Vancouver, MBC.

(01:33:24):
And this is where I'm going to stay. That's it.
It's like, screw you feelings. I'm going to stay and
live on Hornby Island. And then I do a random
tarot card reading. It's something I didn't do a lot of.
I didn't rely on these types of things too often.
And I do a random terror card feeling ran sorry,
random terror card reading, and in it, the guy says,

(01:33:47):
don't hold onto things, make sure you can like let go.
It kind of comes up as the reading and I
was like, okay, if I apply that feeling. I apply
that Latin knowledge to my feelings, I'm going to feel
like I shouldn't be staying here. And I was like, no, no, no,
And I had to like connect and I'm not one
to run away from my feelings, especially after everything I'd

(01:34:09):
gone through with the rising. I have to follow and
listen to myself because your safety sometimes feels like you
have to rely on your intuition only, right, So I
had to listen to myself. I felt it. I didn't
want to stay here in Horn Island, so I didn't
know what to do with myself. I said okay, and
I was talking to some people about it, and someone said, Hey,
there's a Rainbow gathering, which is this kind of hippie
gathering in in in the in the province of BC,

(01:34:33):
and it was happening in the Cootneyes, and so you
should go to that. Hey, dude, you're gonna have lots
of fun. It will be amazing time you meet lots
of cool people. And I thought, Okay, that's what I'm
gonna do. And the thing that I always thought was
the decision maker for me that made me connect with
my wife, that I thought set all this in motion
was the fact that when I got picked up that

(01:34:55):
you would leave Horn. To get off the Horn Island
and to get back on the mainland Vancouver area, you
had to leave very early and the truck and you
basically hitchhike and you basically ask people on the on
the ferries if you can come with them. And one
of the guys said, Hey, I'm going to Grant Forks,
so he was going way into the province, and and uh,

(01:35:16):
and I knew that I actually was planning on stay
with my brother and I would take a couple of days.
And instead I thought, you know what, I'm gonna throw
caution to the wind. And by the time I get
to Grant Forks with him, I'm not going to know
where to stay. And I thought, take the adventure, do it.
It's this it's this choice I thought for the decades

(01:35:37):
of my life is the thought that I thought that
the moment I thought solidified the future events of me
meting my wife and what would end up being the
rest of my life. That's why I never put it
together with the elder and the in that twentieth contact event,
which how mind boggling was that I wouldn't even been here,
so how crazy, and that that I forgot all these
years later that that was that choice. So again that's

(01:35:58):
the magic of that. So yeah, I decided to go
with him. I go to Grand Forks. I show up
and I say, just let me off at a gas station.
I just assumed polisten. I have to find a hostile
lot and to do with myself. I get into the
gas station. There's no hostels, and but someone overhears me
in the in the gas station and says, you can
stay with me. This this, this was the magic of

(01:36:19):
what was happening with my life at that time, and
just synchronosity after a protection, right, synchronicity of protection all
the time. And so I stayed with her overnight, her
and her partner, and they were upstairs and I was downstairs.
They fed me. I stayed one night extra night in
Grand Forks, and I went up to the top of
the mountain or went up a hill and overlooking Grand Forks.

(01:36:42):
Stayed overnight like under the stars, and slept, packed up
all my stuff, got on the road to hitchhike to Nelson,
and I got picked up going to Nelson, and I say,
the guy says, where do you get want to get
dropped off because sorry, I'm going to Nelson, BC because
I assume someone from the someone's gonna know how to
get to the Rainbow Gathering because I don't know anything
about where it is or any I have no information

(01:37:04):
about it, so I need to find start finding people
and going to communities and the coutinies to figure out
where it is. And I literally go to Nelson because
I hear Nelson is a good place to go to.
It's my first time going there and someone there probably
should know. I get told. So I'm being driven to Nelson,
and the guy says, where do you want to get
left off? I said, drop me off at the hostel

(01:37:26):
closest to you coming in, So he drops me off
at the Dancing Bear in I get into the Dancing
Bear in the the the the reception doesn't open till
two or one pm. I remember this funny details, and
so I wait. I think it's like twelve thirty and
I wait, and I sit on the chair and this

(01:37:49):
girl comes in and she basically walks, wanders around and
plops herself down across from me and plops herself like
I just kind of like long, like super relaxed, like
I'm relaxed, and I don't really engage with her. And
she's pretty and all this stuff, and I don't really
engage with her because I only tell I felt compelled
that I really start interacting with people. I hear she's

(01:38:12):
with some guy or some people and they mentioned a
rainbow gathering. You hear the words, so I have to
talk with them. Okay, Oh, you guys are from a
rainbow gathering and no, no, we were this other one
in the States, and we're coming up to this one now.
And I said, oh, I was that Hornby Island? Oh? Oh,
I want So she says, I want to go to Hornbyland,
and I said, well, I want to go to the
rainbow gathering. Okay, we have a reason to meet up.
So how about we hook up afterwards and we can

(01:38:32):
meet with all my friends and we can go and
we can talk about word to how you can get
to the rainbow gathering and I can go to Hornby Island. Okay, great,
So we have a reason to talk with each other.
We find get our rooms, that the reception opens up,
and as I'm walking by her, No, okay, I actually
had some synchronosity. It's too much detail. I had some
synchronicities that I was going to meet it happens. It's

(01:38:53):
the book. It's in the book. I was going to
meet a woman and I felt like I would be
kissing someone. And that was the night before, and I
was not. I thought it was a celibate like what
happened to me from the rising. I thought I was
gonna be celibate for the rest of my life. I
had no idea, and these ideas of the spirit telling
me or these sensations and feelings, I didn't even believe it.

(01:39:14):
So so when we get our rooms and she's combing
your hair in the mirror and she looks at me,
and I walked by her and she said, it was
nice meeting you. I said, it's nice meeting you also.
And I'm walking down the stairs and I have those
really intense sensations about like kissing and meeting a woman.
I'm like, what, that's really weird, like it links up
those feelings. I'm like what. And then we uh oh.

(01:39:36):
And then that night we all hook up with friends
and she we were meeting with people and we decided
to go down by the river. It's nighttime, and we
lose everybody. It's like kind of really strange, and it
just ends up being me and her, and so we
end up finding this rock overlooking the river and Nelson.
We stay in the rock and we spend hours there
and we end up talking about spirituality and everything. And

(01:39:59):
I do have an intuitive moment where I actually say,
you know what, well, we're all one. I can feel
that we're you know, I believe that we're all one,
and even between you and me. And when I said
between you and me, I felt like pure unity, like
just unity between me and her. And I was like,
that's a really weird look. I don't I never I've
been speaking about spirituality with tons of people at that

(01:40:20):
point and I never had that experience, So what was
that all about?

Speaker 1 (01:40:23):
It?

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
I didn't understand these little minor things going on, and
I learned she had a guru and all that stuff,
and it was really magical. We get down and it's
three hours later. We're on a railway track. We find
some other people who who we were part of our
party initially, who obviously went often, were hanging out and stuff,
and all of a sudden and I just you know,

(01:40:43):
I was seeing orbs the entire time while I was traveling,
and I didn't know what was going on. And when
you see orbs, you think they're spiritual, so you you
don't think UFO and aliens. You don't know. You don't
have any answer. And by the way, there was no
Internet to tell you people see orbs all the time.
That didn't exist. There was an Internet, but not not
to this degree. And I looked up and then all

(01:41:06):
of a sudden, there's this object moving across the sky
and its bright white ball. I say, what the hell,
look at that, guys, and we all look up, and
she's with me, and we all look up, and it
goes and brights up this whole sphere thing breaks up
and then it quickly descends, dimes down and gone, and
everyone's like, oh. And the guy, the guy right in

(01:41:26):
front of him says, man, we just saw a UFO
yells and all that. Oh my god, I've never seen
that before. I'm like, oh my, these are these are
the objects following me around? And I also connected. Okay,
so I'm having a synchronicity. Did kissing girl. I meet
this cool girl, I have a unity experience with her.
Now I see this orbs that have been following me.
The entire time, what the hell like? I like what

(01:41:49):
I didn't want. I couldn't believe the message because of
how extreme it was when I went in to go traveling.
So I'm stuck in the past. But and here's these
all these messages happening in the moment, and and she
sees this too, and she says it felt like an omen,
and I felt as an omen. And let's cut to
the chase. A bunch of events happen eventually again the
next night we meet up again, and again the same

(01:42:11):
scenario happens, where we're supposed to be with people and
everyone abandons us and it's just me and her. And
I felt in the day that I should be kissing her,
so I just throw caution to the wind and I
kiss her and she accepts the kiss, and we kiss
under a willow tree on the beach of Nelson, and

(01:42:32):
it's on the beach by the river, and it's really sweet.
But I was not I was traveling. This was my life.
I didn't understand anything of what was going on, So
I was just going with the intuition. But I didn't
know what it meant for my life. And I wasn't
interested in letting and making a and having a relationship
or a woman, not a woman, but a relationship change

(01:42:54):
my plans. It's kind of the story part of my book. Anyway.
The aliens had me separate from a girlfriend and I
and there is feelings of like you got to be
the right way, not even I just didn't think relationships
can be possible in a spiritual kind of context. That's
actually the truth of it. So I didn't really understand
that stuff. And I did find out where the rainbow

(01:43:16):
gathering was. I had plans to go traveling to other
these other farms before I went to the rainbow gathering.
She had plans to go to Hornby Island. So I
was like, here, here's my email address. Let's see if
this is meant to be. Because I don't believe relationships
can happen with spirituality. So I'm like, I have to

(01:43:37):
leave you. I have these plans and I'm not going
to stop doing my plans. And she's like, what, like,
isn't this magical? Isn't this beautiful? I'm like, it is,
it's beautiful. It's magical. But I can't do that. I
can't commit like that. And I had real resistance towards
solidifying the relationship to do anything. So I throw caution
to the wind and said, if it's meant to be,
it's meant to be, and it's really magical. I just

(01:43:58):
let her go. So I went and hitchhiked away, and
all we had was an eenol adress and that's it.
We didn't have it any other way to connect, and
we didn't have cell phones and all that other stuff.
And I didn't know if i'd ever see her again.
And I said, I'm going to the Rainbow Gathering, and
she didn't know that she'd be there or not. Long
story short, I had several synchronicities going to the Rainbow
gathering over the week of Like one guy picks me

(01:44:21):
up and says, hey, you need to get together with
girls at the rainbow gathering. The best girl and he
like real really amplifies it. The best girl you could
ever meet is at a rainbow gathering. So make sure
you pick up a girl at the rainbow gathering. And
I'm like message, Like it really felt like a message, right,
I'm like, that's really weird, and here is meeting this
girl and stuff. And so I show up at the

(01:44:43):
rainbow gathering. It's in the middle of nowhere. It's the
most gorgeous location, a Duncan lake, and it's isolated and
it's small, right, just tiny amounts of people one hundred
people or two hundred, three hundred people and it's a
huge area but very loose, and people pour in as
the days goes on. It's all center around a full moon.
A moon it's kind of a yeah, full moon in

(01:45:04):
the middle of July night in the year two thousand
and the snow cap Peak mountains and no human presence
except for the group. So amazing. Every night was beautiful,
starry night with beautiful moon. Like it's just like Lord
of the Rings type stuff going on here. It's just
so epic. And this was the grounding of the place

(01:45:25):
where where everything would happen. I don't want to I
don't know what to do. She hasn't shown up yet,
and I don't know if she's coming, and I'm I'm
here to just focus on my own growth and everything anyway.
So that's how I went with it. And I met
some people and then I'm reading a middle of the day,
I'm reading a book. Someone was reading a book about

(01:45:45):
spiritual relationships, relationships and spirituality, and I thought, oh, that's
really interesting. So I'm on this field and I pick
up can I read your book? And she's like, yeah, here,
I am looking at this book about spiritual relationships and
how you can make spirituality and relationships happen. Like that's
really weird. Now I'm here, I'm having this experience wondering
about it, and I'm thinking, and I look up think
and reflection of what I'm reading. Lo and behold, Kalika

(01:46:09):
is walking into the Spirit of the Rainbow gathering. And
I'm like, like, what a synchronicity is this? This is insane.
I pick up, I put down the book. I basically
walk over to her. At coming into the entrance, she's
hunched over with this big backpack with all the big
backpacks at the time, and she's hunched over and she
hasn't looked up yet to look at anybody or anywhere
because she's so with the weight of this crazy backpack.

(01:46:32):
And as the first thing she does is when she
looks up, she sees me. So here, I am looking
at a book about spiritual relationships, and I look up,
I see her, And now I've walked over and the
first thing she sees is me, and so both of
us feel like we have this amazing synchronicity about like,
oh my god, I can't believe you're here. I can't
believe you're here. Oh my god, oh my god. It
was this magic and we hug and immediately I see,

(01:46:55):
I can't be in a relationship with you. I can't.
I can't be in a relationship with you. But I'm
so happy here. This is so much fun and so amazing.
And she's like, and she basically admits later on, she's like,
what's wrong with this guy? Like, well, we can't even
like why he can't put the messages together. And so
basically it's this romantic time where it's flirting with basically
each other, and we have constant spiritual experiences. She will

(01:47:17):
have a dream that became true animal, a butterfly lands
on me, and these just magical moments. She loses her necklace,
she gets a mala from her groom. It's a very
specially vibed mala, and she lose it in the lake
one day. So we're spending maybe four or five days
where there's no relationship and we're just fully focused on

(01:47:37):
friendship and connecting, and all we do is hang out
together so it's this complete, complete, you know, flirting but
not real commitment, and there's no physical activity at all,
and we're just friends, and she has other guys flirting
with her, and I let everything happen totally detached, and
she ends up always saying I don't want to be

(01:47:58):
with those guys. I want to be with you, but
you don't want to be with me, and so I
just let it be. And then she loses this mala
kind of four or five days in and uh, and
no one can find it for her. She lose it
in the water and she doesn't know how to find it.
And so I'm the one who I think it's day
two of her laws losing the malla and sets her
to presses her. It's this sort of powerful mala and uh.

(01:48:18):
And I'm the one who I put on the glasses
the we find goggles to look in the water, and
I actually make the last I think it's the last effort,
and I make the effort, and I do these strokes
over through this area and I see probably about twelve
feet down, like quite deep the water the river was
the lake was damned actually so it could change the heights.
So at this point actually there was quite a death

(01:48:40):
amount of water, and I saw this kind of rope
interlayed between these rocks, and I did this deep dive down,
grabbed it, pulled it up and I saw, I saw
I kind of had this beautiful thing on the end,
and it looked like a mulla to me. And I
came up yes, and I basically get out of the water.
I see her at the end of the beach and

(01:49:01):
she's meditating. And what she's doing is she's visioning. She's
visioning right the idea of the mala around her presently,
so it's as if it's all secure in her, in
her possession, and she's visioning it. And here I am
coming up with her with the malla and she's literally
again the magic of illness. She opens up her eyes
and I've got the mala in her hand, and she's like,

(01:49:22):
she's like she breaks down. Basically, she basically puts her
feet up, herself at my feet. She's like, I can't
believe it. I can't believe it's you. I can't believe it.
I can't believe it's you. And I can't also believe
it's me either. And I give her the mala and
she's like, she hugs me and she's crying, and it's
this whole big a moment between us, and then I
have to take a step back. I'm like, Okay, what

(01:49:43):
is going on here? Like why, what's with all the magic?
Why am I resisting this? What's going on? I take
actually like half of the day, I take it to
my myself and I go up into the mountains or
going a little hike, and I actually end up realizing
I have an imprint from a past relationship, the one
in my third contact event. The elder the Hilder telled
me to get to move on from a girl, and

(01:50:04):
that that relationship actually had an imprint in me that
you can't be in a relationship and be spiritual at
the same time. So I actually had an imprint in
my kind of subconscious about it, and I actually saw
that in that moment, and I kind of said, Okay, okay,
this is not real then, and I can release this
because I think I'm being told I need to be
with this girl, I need to follow these messages. Something's
going on. And I literally walk up to her and

(01:50:25):
I said she was not a fire pit, and I
said I can be in a relationship now I can do.
This's like what I'm like, yeah, yeah, I had to
work through some things. I had to figure it out,
and I can be in a relationship now. And she's like,
oh my god, okay. And then and that was it.
And then that night it's all like fire by the
lake's side and we're intimate and we hold hands and

(01:50:47):
it feels right for the first time, because the first
time we held hands it felt wrong, and that it
feels right. And I had a weird feeling where I
accidentally held her hand and I felt my soul was
the one who held her. I actually had this moment
that my al was the one holding the hand. It
was like, okay, these are these are internal moments for
me telling me this is meant to be. And uh,

(01:51:07):
it's absolutely gorgeous and in such a beautiful moment. And
we basically end the Rainbow gather. A couple of days later,
we go back to Kaslow and uh, we we end
up having very We we hihike together to nicuss Hot
Springs and that's where we spend the last week together.
And we spend maybe a couple of days through four
days and it's really romantic. We spend time in the forest,

(01:51:29):
spend the days, the nights in the forest, and the
days in the hot springs. And then that's where she
leaves from me, and I leave hurt, and we don't
know what the future is and uh and and she's
crying and I'm crying. She's a city girl and I'm
a country boy. I'm like a it's full country. It's
just this magical stuff. And that's it. We we separate
in the cusp. She gets hit shiked. She takes a

(01:51:51):
car ride back to Vancouver to grab a plane to
go back to Toronto. I didn't even mention it this part. Sorry,
she's from Toronto, and uh. And that's it. We just
keep contact and over three months we're emailing and I
make money, and I eventually feel like I should maybe
check this lead out? Spiritual leadout? Should I check this out?

(01:52:13):
High yourself? And I really get a whole bunch of
messages to keep following this, and I just go through
with it. I go to Toronto and when I show
up there, I get a job right away and I
get a house right away. So the signs were all like,
you're meant to be here, you stay here, you don't
leave here, and the whole traveling period with all the
Aliens and all the Orbs, and then the Rising all

(01:52:36):
becomes history. And in October twenty first I meet her
Guru and I feel connected to him right away, and
then I cry and there's a blessing that happens and
it's a real magical thing. And yeah, and that's it.
My life would be in Toronto for almost ten years
and this traveling person persona that was all tied with

(01:52:57):
the Aliens would fade into history. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:53:02):
Magical, beautiful too, Yeah, amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
Yeah, yeah, I'm honored that's part of my story.

Speaker 1 (01:53:09):
Well, we really needed to get into that just to
pay off the whole Gray involvement with you know, having
you two meet up, which comes into play with a
bit with what Eve Loregan love bite and.

Speaker 2 (01:53:22):
Yeah love Bite. Yeah, yeah, I'm aware of that. We've
actually h part of a UFO group and we had
her on and yeah, the Aliens definitely put people together.
I actually knew another experiencer with the Aliens were trying
to put people together, and yeah, they definitely do that.
They definitely put couples together.

Speaker 1 (01:53:43):
Listen, Jeff, we met it. That's for almost two hours
at least a yeah, at least two hours. Yeah, we're
gonna have to say get two on for another for
part three later on down the road. Yeah, your book
as over thirty chapters and twenty six contact events were
at the twenty second roughly.

Speaker 2 (01:54:00):
Yeah, there there's a whole adult period, and it's it's
really shocking they kept they still were in my life,
and it's not shocking anymore when I now all all
of the unravels, and especially with all the changes that
are how the public is becoming aware and the timing
of everything. But you wouldn't when you're living through it,
you don't expect it. You kind of keep thinking it
ends now, right because you kind of don't want it

(01:54:21):
in your life some degree. Even though they're magical, they
can really just really disrupt you in your life. And
now that's all said and done, you're looking back, you're like,
oh my god, it all makes sense. Why the why
they kind of kept up with it all? And yeah,
it's powerful.

Speaker 1 (01:54:38):
To those who might be interested in purchasing your book.
I believe it's sold on Amazon.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
That's right. My email address, sorry, my website is Jeff
slver at dot com. So J E. F. F. Se
l V e r dot com and the link to
my book is there. You can even just google Jeff
Salver and the Amazon link to The Rising comes up
right away as well too.

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
To finish off the interview, I do you want to
maybe get into another story or do you have a
closing statement for everyone?

Speaker 2 (01:55:07):
Hmmm, yeah, I don't know, do you?

Speaker 1 (01:55:13):
Uh well, maybe like a little said bit of what's
to come in the next few Uh well, the next interview,
let's say.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
Oh, next in of you sure, yeah, well, yeah, they
they stuck around and there will be from that point
onwards of meeting my guru, there'd be the twenty third,
twenty fourth, twenty fifth, twenty sixth contact event, so four
more and they actually caught cap things off like they
also wanted a sense of closure. It's kind of really interesting,

(01:55:43):
or at least understood that that's important. So, uh they
actually do give me more information about the planet, their
involvement the hybrids, and the hybrids are coming and uh yeah,
and they end up painting more picture there. What would
be really interesting to talk more about two is you know,

(01:56:05):
Jacques Valet talks about this stuff. It's in research papers
with Gary Nolan. Telepathy from crafts experiencers continue to how
you know, like it's not like Chris Bledsoe is a
good example, able to continue to film objects even though
he's had contact a long time ago. Now his his
contact continues in the form of orbs exactly the same
as me and and I have communication from that, and

(01:56:29):
I'll be going public with some of that in very soon.
But yeah, this consistent contact can continues, and I'd be
really excited to talk about that and some of the
paranormal stuff that you know, they really weren't too dimensional
in my contact events except for maybe the like there
were dimensional the sense of them being there. But it's
so physical the contact events. And I learn more about

(01:56:52):
the dimensional paranormal stuff when all the memories come out
and she ends up being in my life as a
paranormal entity.

Speaker 1 (01:56:58):
So I learned.

Speaker 2 (01:56:59):
I've learned so much since the memories have come out,
and so there's just it's a never ending it's a
never ending learning cycle and I'm really excited to just
keep sharing it that with people. Oh but I do
need to say with every single contact, every single interview,
I like to cap off with there's a big, big,
big picture message to every human, that God is real.

(01:57:20):
God is this sentinel in the that a consciousness of
awareness is real, the quantum field is alive, and we
are it. We are it, and I think our lack
of understanding of that is part of the conflict here
actually and why someone actually once said you can't worship
great aliens and I said that previously too, and I
think that might be part of the conflict, right. If

(01:57:41):
we have these high, high, high level beings and interacting
with us, our tendency is to want to worship them.
I've never already met people who do try to do that,
and I'm like, listen, the eller never said worship her.
She never I've been Withether for twenty six contact events
or you know roughly, and they never said that to me.
They never said to worship them. So you can see
there's a conflict of if you don't know your power,

(01:58:03):
then these high level entities have trouble interacting with you.
But if you know your power, then there's no sense
of a threat that you will start attaching yourself to them.
And I think that's the critical part here. You need
to know your power, your God, You are your own
higher self, You're born to this life for a purpose,
to learn, to grow and to love, and that's the
most important stuff. And I think that's the core of

(01:58:25):
the entire phenomenon for all of us.

Speaker 1 (01:58:27):
So that's that beautiful. Yeah, well said, well said, really, Jeff,
thank you so much for coming on. It's been fun again.

Speaker 2 (01:58:35):
Yeah yeah, mister Gray, thanks so much. It's such a pleasure.
Thank you so much much.

Speaker 1 (01:58:39):
To those watching, I hope you enjoyed today's interview. I'm
your host, mister great Marin tvous Cup and I'll see
you guys next time. So thank you everyone. Hello, everyone,
this is mister Gray and thanks for watching today's episode.
If you are an abductee, contact tee, or experiencer and
you believe that your story could help others, please feel
free to contact me through my YouTube channel email. When
it comes to experiences, the ty phenomena and the future,

(01:59:02):
remember truth will out

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