Karin Wilkinson: The Harsh Reality Of An Abductee

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello everyone, and welcome back to another chapter of experience
her interviews. And today we've got another amazing soul coming
to us from the US. We have Karen Wilkinson on
board today. Karen is the author of the book Stolen Seed,
Evil Harvest. She is a regular writer slash contributor to
La Marzuli's monthly newsletter Politics, Prophecy and the Supernatural. Karen

(00:41):
is a wife, mother, and grandmother. She worked in the
software industry for many years. For as early as she
can remember, she has been abducted by non human alien entities,
possibly hundreds of times. She has seen many UAPs slash
UFOs throughout her lifetime and suffered emotional and physical ailments

(01:02):
due to the things they did to her. She prays
that she can utilize her experiences to glorify God, to
share the truth, and to help others in any way
she can. So, Karen, thank you so much for coming on.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Oh thank you, mister Gray. It's an honor to be
here with you today. I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
I'm glad you've accepted my offer to come on, because
I guess your story is going to balance a bit
what I've been through and all the guests that came on,
there's a lot of them have positive but I also
want to show others that, you know, there's a lot
of bad things that happen to other abductees as well.
So so thanks for coming on and agreeing to share

(01:43):
with us. I know your story starts off as a
young child at least your contacts. Could you like describe
to us what happened let's see in the first person
type of environment too, because you know it's all that
a detail, so anything that might might be able to
share might trigger somebody else, So if you could try

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to help us.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
That way, sure, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
And I do want to preface it with the fact
that you know, everyone has different experiences with this, and
I don't disparage anyone who has a differing opinion to mine,
because it takes a lot of courage to share a
story like this. You know, there's such a stigma around it,
and a lot of people don't want to hear you know,
these types of things, or or it's hard for them
to grasp. So I appreciate anyone who's willing to share

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their story. And everyone's going to see things in their
own blight indifferently, and what I'm trying to do is
shed light on some of the truths behind what's happened,
specifically what's happened to me and my personal experiences. I
was taken from my earliest memories, you know, even before
I have the concrete memories of the actual abduction experience

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from them showing up and taking me and all that.
When I was very young and like too years old,
I was terrified of family members who were tall and
blonde and big blue eyes and were thin, because I
was already experiencing what you call a Nordic entities, and
these are Nordics for those who don't know or may
not be familiar, are non human alien entities who look

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somewhat human. They have somewhat human features, but there tend
to be very tall, very large eyes, probably like about
twice the size of ours. They have very translucent, kind
of bluish blue green eyes, and their hair is almost translucent,
so it kind of looks blonde most of the time.
And I had had difficult encounters with them already where

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they were not you know, they were not nice to
me as a very little child. So I was terrified
of people who looked like that, who had those features
and wouldn't go to family members even who looked like that.
But as I grew older, around five or six is
when the really concrete memories start to you know, are
there of being taken and a typical abduction experience For me,

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it was it didn't matter where I was. I could
be at home, I could be at grandparents' house, a
friend's house, it didn't matter wherever I was, they found me.
I would wake up in the middle of the night,
and if I was in a room with someone else,
like a sibling or later in life, maybe a spouse
or a partner, what have you, I wake up in

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the middle of the night and sense something different as
presence in the room, since just an evil presence in
the room too, just that sense of dread would come
over me. If I was in the countryside, quite often
all the crickets and cicadas would just go silent. There'd
just be like no outside noises.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
All of a sudden.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Sometimes there'd be a light coming in the window or
a light coming from my window from another bedroom that
I could see all the way to where I was.
And then I would generally see at least two sometimes
more of the shorter gray typical gray alien beings that
people report seeing. Beings were about four foot tall. Probably

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they had big black screen like eyes. Their eyes didn't move,
it just like a screen covering where their eye would be.
They had the big, buldest heads, very very thin neck,
very thin, frail looking bodies. Some of them did not
smell very good. Some of them I could smell in
before I saw them. It was like a cross between
maybe sulfur and excrement and like a dead animal or something.

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It was a really weird, pungent, putrid smell. And some
of them didn't have seemed to have an odor at all.
If I would try to wake up the other person
who might be in the room with me at that time,
depending they would be in such a deep sleep state
that I couldn't wake them up. If I tried to scream,
no one would hear me, and I would be put

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into a state of waking paralysis where I was wide awake,
but I couldn't move my body. I couldn't scream, like
all I could move is like my eyes. I would
just be terrified at that point. If I saw them
before that paralysis came in and I was little, I
would wit the bed because I was so scared, but

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I couldn't do anything to get away from them. And
once I was in that state, sometimes they would they
would talk to me just mind speak, so like it
was very intentional. I don't like to use the word
telepathy because that assumes you're kind of reading someone's mind
or something, and that really wasn't it at all. It
was very intentional speaking to me, and I could do

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the same back with them, and they would be things like,
you know, it's okay, You're okay, you know, just things
to try to, you know, just be calm, Just be calm,
things like that. Nothing that was really that helpful, quite honestly.
But once I was in that state of paralysis, I
would be levitated off of my bed, and the feeling

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that over my body was like a sense of like
numbness and a vibration. There was sometimes be this really
low vibrational hum that would just get like lower and lower,
like the lowest key you can imagine, and I feel
like this vibration throughout my body as I was being

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levitated towards a closed window or towards the ceiling, and
I would go through that closed window or through that
ceiling and it was such a strange experience. We just
don't have anything like it, and it's very hard to
describe except that it's like I was just on bazillion
little pieces and just moving through, and you know, they

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have this ability to manipulate space, time, energy and matter
and ways that we don't understand, and so it doesn't
fit into our little view of the universe. So we
have to make sure that when we think about it
and I try to explain it, it's very difficult because
it's outside of our little understanding of phys It's not
that they break the laws of physics. It's that if

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they understand physics in a way that we.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Don't, you know.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
I mean, we're still learning these things. You know, we
have breakthroughs every day in science. So if that helps
the listeners understand or how this has happened, how that
could happen. I remember seeing just details and the ceiling,
like the wallpaper if it was brown or curled on
the edges, because my Grandma's house like wallpaper on the ceiling,
But you wouldn't notice it until you were like right

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up there or watching the pictures in the wall just
get further and further away from outside I could see
still the house and see that you know what was
in there. At that point, Generally I would get put
into a sleep state, like kind of a They have
this ability to just turn turn us. It was like
flip and a switch. I'd be turned off and turn

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on and turned off and turn on. I would wake up.
Sometimes at elevators, they look like big elevator doors and
they would open. I would get in. Usually this time
I'm still with the little grays, and I remember I
was just always cold, always so cold, and these elevators
would just go down and down and down, and I

(09:12):
got on. When I first started describing the especially as
a little kid, what I called the sideways elevators, because
back when I was little, cars and trains and buses
and everything else were very loud. We didn't have any
silent vehicles of any type really, so I didn't understand
that it was some type of vehicle. But it had
benches in it, and it would go back and forth

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or up and an angle or down an angle and
make really crazy turns and stuff, but it was silent,
so I just equated it to another type of elevator,
and it really freaked me out. When I was on it,
but that would take me to wherever I was being
taken that particular time, so I was in some sort
of an underground facility most of the time. Those are

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most of my memories, and I don't remember every time
I was taken, and I don't have comp memories of
every episode from beginning to end. Sometimes I just remember
them showing up. Sometimes I would just remember being put
back in my bed, and my pajamas might be on
inside out. Sometimes they'd be at the fur of the
bed or in another room. And sometimes I would wake

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up in another room and I would wake up and
be so terrified and go like hide under my parents'
bed and sleep under there the rest of the night,
so I could, you know, feel safer. To this day,
I don't have a side of the bed. I have
whatever side is furthest away from the window, and I'm
not afraid.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Of them anymore. It's just such a habit for me,
you know.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
My husband was always like, so you don't really have
a side of the bed, why you're always you know,
I'm like, I'm always away from the window. And I
didn't even realize I was doing that for the longest time.
But it's funny what it does you know to you?
So when I would wake up, if sometimes I would
wake up on an exam table and there would be

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different beings around me, and they would just different types
of exams, all different things checking every part of my body.
You can imagine, using machines. I didn't understand. Obviously, they
weren't explaining things to me. It wasn't like going to
a nice doctor's office where they're like, you know, now
we're going to do this or that. You know, there
was none of that. There was no kindness or gentleness

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happening there at all. Once I would be in the
facility wherever they were taking me, there were different types
of entities. The grays were not these little cookie cutter
grays that would come.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
To pick me up.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
But the grays that were in these facilities were all different.
They were different sizes and shapes and heights. Some had
different you know, they had what looked like different facial features.
Some looked more mask and more feminine. Their faces moved differently,
their eyes actually moved, whereas the little ones they were
just I really believe the small, shorter grays to be
some sort of an avatar of like a meat suit

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created to hows whether it could be AI, it could
be demonic entity, it could be another entity of some sort,
you know, anything like that. And when I talk about
that today or remind people, you know, we can create
skin in a lab, why can't they?

Speaker 3 (12:12):
You know so?

Speaker 2 (12:14):
And I do like to say too, you know, none
of these beings that I saw were identical except for
those little graves. There were reptilians that all looked different.
There were insects types that all looked different, you know,
the Nordics, they all look different. And I think that
there are so many different types, but they kind of blur,
like there are some grays that looked more reptilian, some

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martilions that looked more gray, and some insectualone that looked
more reptilian or you know, so there was some kind
of blurring between them. And I couldn't tell you how
many different kinds there were. I have no idea, So
I just kind of classify them into those general groups.
As for general groups of the grays, Reptilians, the Nordics,
and the insectal insect type. When I was taken, when

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I was little, sometimes we would just go and they
would put me in a room with other kids, and
some of the kids seemed pretty normal, and some of
them seemed very very abnormal, like they had developmental disabilities,
or they looked very different from me. So some of
them may have been like the hybrids of some sort.

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And you know, I learned they taught me things. They
kind of just did these data dumps into my head,
and going to school was very easy for me. And
that respect because I just had all his knowledge. I
didn't where it came from, you know, understandings of math
and physics that other kids didn't have. It was, you know,
it was really weird. What I know is that where
I was taken, all of these different entities work together.

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None of them had our best interest to heart. When
you're kidnapping little children or adults, when you're mutilating animals,
you know, taking someone against their will. I was raped
against my will, I was kidnapped against my will. Those
are not the actions of a benevolent space brother. And
I so I, you know, the ones that I was
dealing with, we're not We're not good beings. I'm not

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saying they aren't good because I have had very beautiful,
positive angelic encounters as well.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
And I taught.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
I write about that in the book as well, just
so that people know, you know, there is a balance
out there. There is the dark and the light, there's
the good and the evil. The issue I have sometimes
with that is that I caution people about trying to
contact or call on these entities because you don't know
what you're going to get. They're stronger than we are,

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they're smarter than we are, they're so far advanced. They've
been around so much longer than we have. They were
here before humans were created. And my issue is when
you think about good and evil in the world that
we live in, and if you have, say you're on
the street and there's somebody who's a rapist or a
pickpocket or a murderer or a carjacker, they don't walk

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around advertising that they lure you in. You know, someone
who who try graphics children or adults or anything like that,
They're going to lure you in and appear kindly a peer,
as your friend, appear as the good guy. So it's
just like that, you know, that's just the nature of
good and evil. And I caution people. You know, you

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may say, oh, but this is my you know, spirit guide,
and he says he's good in all this. I'm like,
but how do you know? You know that's the issue.
It wants it guess what it wants. How do you
know if it's you know? And the only way you
will ever know, really is if something bad happens, unfortunately,

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and I would not want that to happen to anyone.
But so I do caution people on that that it
is a risk that you take if you get them,
if you're calling on any of these entities.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
How do you know that you were taken to a
dumb well?

Speaker 2 (15:49):
I know that I was underground because we were on
these elevators and they and we were going down, and
I knew I was underground a because there were no windows.
It was a very controlled environment and so it was
very obvious that we were not in the air or
on the ground. We were definitely in a facility.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Okay, do you recall ever being on a seeing windows
seeing outside?

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Absolutely? Oh, yes, there were times, especially later, those memories
are more vivid later in life. I don't have any
ship memories of them, like landing in a yard or
anything like that, and I so, but what I do
have our memories of being inside the craft and The
thing that amazed me the most is that the craft
are like alive. They seem to be like a living

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entity of some sort. And I don't understand how that works.
It is so far beyond me. But when I would
walk towards like the ones that seemed to have a
dome and go smaller on the edges that I would
be in, and they're huge. They're not tiny. Some of
them are small, but some of them were a lot bigger.
It would move to accommodate me.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
It felt like, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (17:06):
So where it looked like it was going like this,
I could still walk over there and fit, you know,
to like where a window was or something, so I
could see out, and looking out, everything just looked like
almost like waves on the ocean, you know what I mean.
It was just it's so hard to describe. And I
don't know if they had to do with speed or

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I don't understand, but it was spectacular. And when I
would be on these I call them like transport vessels
because there would be other abductees there and most people
and myself included, usually were in sort of a just
a woozy state, like it seemed like everyone was drugged.

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It was some sort of a sleep kind of state
where we were just it's like walking. We call it
UFO brain fog. It's like walking through molasses, and your
brain feels that way too. It's just like can't get
those words you know out you're trying to if And
I wasn't always in that state because I was compliant.

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You know, I'd been taken so many times that there
were points where I was just id just go along
with it because I knew it was easier for me
if I was if I was compliant, if I was
a good girl. And that comes from, you know, being
warned so many times, you know that not to tell
anyone they would hurt my family, that they would hurt me,

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that different things could happen. So, you know, when I
was about six years old, I had a very very
real kind of mental breakdown at school and they found
me huddle in the corner of a bathroom and my
mom had to come get me, and they had shown
me my family being her is a like screen memory

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because I was trying to talk to people about it,
and at that point in time, I didn't have vocabulary
to say who and what these things were. They weren't saying, Hi,
I'm a gray, or Hi, I'm a Riptoan.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
I knew what they looked like, the little guys, and
I would say things like, the little ones keep coming
to get me and they're touching me.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
I don't like them.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
They don't smell, but you know, I want them to
leave me alone. They're hurting me, things like that, But
nobody understood what I was talking about. And when you
try to get more specific, that really busts oup in
people's paradigm and they kind of shut down and they're like, Okay,
that's a dream or Okay, she's making things up. And
I realized no one was going to help me. There
was nothing I could do, and I didn't want them

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to hurt my family. And it was at that point
that I just kind of gave up, and I felt like,
there's no one that's going to be able to do
nothing I can do. And I kind of had this
split where I created a part of me that dealt
with what was going on with that and a part
of me that just lived the day to day and
didn't even let it come in to view anymore. So

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it's kind of a dissociation, not a complete dissociative identity disorder,
but definitely two very separate kind of personalities that lived
inside me. One was a protector who took on all
that and the other one got to just be a
little kid. And my mom came got me. And when
I was having that kind of breakdown at school, and
that's when I really did create that separation, she took

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me to the doctor because I kept saying, you know,
they're touching me, they're hurting me, the bother of me.
I don't want to do it anymore. But I was
afraid that even saying that they would hurt my family.
She took me to the doctor and he said, you
know that physically I was okay, and whatever is happening,
I was little. I would forget. And it's not that
they didn't care or they were sweeping it under the rug.

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They didn't have enough to go on. And it was
a different time back in the sixties and seventies. It's
not like it is today. And we didn't have camera phones,
and we didn't have recording devices, and we didn't have
monitoring things, you know, so it was really hard to
know for sure what was happening. And you know, if
it was happening to any of my parents, they were

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in denial as well. So from that point on, I
just really kind of separated it. And then I became
more compliant and I and so when I would be
on these transport vessels, especially as an older you know,
as an adult, and they were collecting other people, if
people got unruly, they would cover them with what I
called the sheet. It was like a white sheet, kind

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of blanket thing, and it just immobilized them. It just
kind of formed them, and it just stopped them from
being able to move and try to be disruptive because
maybe they were for some reason, they couldn't get that
person into the brain fog state.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
You know.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
I don't understand how all that works, but I know what,
you know, what happened with people who weren't being compliant,
and I had had that happen to me, and I
did not ever want that again because I just being
immobilized like that.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
It was horrible.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
It was scary. So I think that's one of the
reasons why I was compliant as well. It was just easier,
you know, it was easier. It should go along with it.
I'll break for a minute.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Because you have one question.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
You said something that really resonated with me. Was it
the term UFO molosses.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
A UFO brain though, is the term that I call. Yeah,
and my friend La Marzouli, you know, kind of coins
that phrase, and I like it because it really does fit.
And it is like walking through molasses, not just physically
but mentally because you can't not only can you not

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like run fast or punch hard or things like that,
but you also can't get your thoughts as organized as
you want. It's kind of scrambles everything. And I think
that's a way to help keep people from remembering too much.
And I think once I really had that kind of
split where I just dissociated, they would pick me up

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and I just wouldn't even respond. I was just like
a blank sheet of paper. And I think that's why
I have the memories I do, because there was just
really not a huge need to mobilize me if I
was just going to go along with everything. And I
and talking to other abductees as much as I have,
and I talked to hundreds in you know, day to

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day just because of the work that I'm doing. They
seem to have similar stories. The less we resisted, the
more we remembered. The more we resisted, the more often
we were just put into a sleep state. So that
seems to have some correlation there.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
The reason why I'm talking about this is, uh, I
haven't started. Only recently I started talking about my first
nightmare ever as a kid. I suspect I was about
the age of four, but I remember waking up at night.
The air was like was palpable, the entery like, the

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was like. I didn't feel drugged because I was like
at the age of four, I didn't really have it
like a term to put my finger on, but the
air felt palpable, like weird, and I couldn't understand what
was going on. At the at the foot of the
bed was well, this was a screen image, of course,
but I saw like a three foot tall boxing glove

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doing this whoa, and as well, that's big for a
boxing glove. And so in that nightmare, I scream out
to my parents, so both my mom and dad come.
My dad picks me up, and again the energy like
was way off. What's happening? And I pointed the boxing
glove and my parents of course won't see it. So

(24:35):
I'm not sure if my parents also were a screen image,
and I was being picked up by somebody else. I
don't know, but yeah, So only recently I started talking
about this, and I've been getting, you know, this feedback
of the same type of energy that you described.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Oh exactly, Yeah, what you described makes perfect sense. At
one point, they used my elementary school principle as one
of the figures that I I would see when I
was taken so that I would, you know, because it
was an authority figure in my life. So they would
use that during the abduction just so that I would

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behave because I knew to behave and respect the principle
at school.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
You know.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
It was probably the highest aside from parents and all that,
the highest authority figure I had in my life.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
So they utilized that.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
They would utilize my grandfather and have me, you know,
follow the trails we're going to find you. I had
quarters in the driveway, you know, and it's a long
country driveway kind of thing with rocks and things. It's
not like some nice paved driveway anyway, and use that
as to get me walk towards what I'm guessing was
wherever they had, you know, So they used all kinds

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of different weird things like that, or a cat, or
I used to love to chase after the frogs outside,
so they'd have little frogs and things like that, you know,
just things that I found interesting or fun or endearing.
They were able to tap into that and then use
those for what I was seeing when they were coming
to get me, to kind of get me out of

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the the routine of the Grays showing up every time.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Did you actually leave the house during the night on
your own?

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Oh? Yes?

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Was it the door locked?

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Yes? Yes?

Speaker 1 (26:20):
And did you ever wake up outside at night and
had to come back?

Speaker 2 (26:25):
I never woke up locked outside at night. They always
brought got me back in. But my friend, I have
a couple of friends, and we're all in this Eli
Marsuli's fourth movie on the UFO abduction phenomenon, and one
of my friends who's in that movie, he was constantly
waking up outside the house, to the point they put
locks on his door, locks on his window, reinforce the

(26:49):
locks on the house. They would still find him out
in the yard. And so so many of us had this, Yeah,
I woke up outside. I talked to so many people
have woken up outside, So you know, all those years
I'm like, was I really outside in the driveway? But
then you wake up and you've got like, you know,

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your feet are dirty from being outside, but you were
in bed. Now that doesn't that doesn't fit, you know,
So you've got those little things that don't quite add up.
So but I have woken up in other rooms of
the house.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Do you know why that they leave you outside at night?
Doesn't make sense? Does it like to give your confirmation
that something happened.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
I don't know why. I know that sometimes the vessel
that they're taking people in is outside and for some reason,
if it's a for some reason, you know, it's a
very This the spiritual world, and these are all extra
dimensional entities clearly that can go in and out of dimensions.
Is a very legalistic society. There must be permissions granted

(27:55):
and given. And my this is a theory, okay, so
but my theory on this is if they don't have
permission to come into that house, then they've got to
get you out, and they have to lure you out,
and so they can still manipulate physics to get you
out of the house outside a locked door. That part's

(28:16):
easy for them, But the actual entry into your home
is not easy if they don't have permission. It's just
like the old vampire lure of the days of old.
And that's why I think I mentioned you before we started.
My friend Vicki Joy Anderson has a book called The
Only Come Out at Night. She's very good at explaining
how all of that works for people who are curious
about how those agreements work, how they're made, who can

(28:38):
make them, and why. And you look at things like
the Eisenhower Agreement, which you know many people talk about.
Okay that I have a friend who has left me
a message the other day who would talk to her
his niece saying, you know that her granddaughter sorry, saying
you know that definitely wasn't a treaty, because a treaty
is made between warring factions, and I.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Agree with that.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
But the greata Agreement or whatever it was, was basically
giving permission for them to take people. So that's where
one of those permissions could be. If somebody unknowingly invites
someone into their home and doesn't realize this person is
a non human entity but they look very human, which
is very possible, then you're creating that agreement. Then you're

(29:21):
inviting them over the threshold. So those agreements are very important,
and I think that's why some people end up outside,
because that's where they have to start to get them
to wherever their vessel is. Because obviously they've got a
physical vessel that we've been in, that I've been in,
that others have been in different kinds. That has to

(29:43):
be somewhere, and they have to get you to it.
And if they can't come in, they're going to take
you outside.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
My last guest, she believes that she was also being
taken in exchange for technology.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
H Yeah, that is definitely And you know that is
something if you you look at ancient texts, ancient scrolls
from many many different cultures, including the Biblical and the
Christian cultures, the exchange for technology from the angels and
the fallen angels was something that is in some of

(30:17):
our earliest Biblical texts and some of the earliest other
religious texts across many different cultures and societies. That is
that is there's and that's an agreement. So that goes
back to that legalistic society, right, Okay, you want this
give us that. In Genesis six, it says the sons
of God, which is talking about the angels, the angelic

(30:39):
beings angels kind of a misnomer, but saw that the
daughters of men were beautiful and took up them wives
of all that they chose.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
That is where they exchanged.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
The women for knowledge and technology in that point in time.
And I and I write about that and share some
more about that in the book because that gets that
goes down a little more of an intricate road. And
I don't want to I don't want to bore everyone
with all of that tonight.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
But you know, now, did you say any symbols on
the Nordics or any like writing while.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
You were being taken on their bodies, on their.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Bodies, or like panels with writing symbols.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Oh? Yeah, there were symbols all over the place.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
You know. There were like areas where on the ships
where if you touched it, it didn't look like anything
was there, and then it would light up with like
a symbol. And on everyone in these facilities. There were
humans there and there were non human alien entities there,
both working in conjunction with one another, and some of

(31:45):
them had these weird it was like an upside down
triangle kind of symbol on their on their shirts.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Some of them were in.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Like like white doctor coat type things or grab coats.
Some were in like these weird just really beige benign
like smock and pants suits that just matched that were
just really plain somewhere in like these kind of fatigues,
but they weren't like green fatigues. They were more like

(32:15):
a brown black kind of color gray, and some trying
to think of all the different types of you know things,
it's all just different, you know, uniforms. But some of
the uniforms had yeah, like this triangular upside down triangle

(32:37):
with the point at the bottom with the lines going
through it, and I've drawn it a few times. I think,
I don't remember if I put that in the book
or not. But those but there were all kinds of
weird symbols too that you know, I understood when they
wanted me to understood, but they were they could have
this ability to just help you understand whatever they wanted

(32:59):
you to understand that time.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
So, yeah, I've seen people describe you the same upside
down triangle with the line oh really center.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Oh okay, cool, Yeah, I've never heard that before.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
That's also okay. I was like, when I get a
confirmation of something I've seen. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
I know it's set now as a kid or as
a young adult. Whatever. Did you ever like wake up
with like your nose bleeds?

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Yeah, nose bleeds, ears bleeding.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
I woke up with this triangle shape on my back
that I still have today, and I put a picture
of that in the book for the readers to see. Strange,
you know, just punctures or marks or things like that.
I did have a thing in my elbow that it
was just a couple of years ago that it finally
came out, some kind of an implant. I it made

(33:58):
its way to like the surface, and so I took
the skin off and I reached in with tweezers over
the sink and I pulled it out, and it was
about the size of a half a grain of rice.
It looked like a black dot in the middle with
a clear white coating, like a fleshy, clear white coating.

(34:20):
As soon as I got it out, it jumped like
from the And it's not like I dropped it, but
I was startled when I looked at it. It went
down the sink like of its own relition. It just
went straight down the sink. And I have this really wide,
flat kind of sink, So it's not something's gonna roll
real easy down. It's like textured. It went straight down

(34:42):
the sink, almost like it was driving itself. It was
so because I didn't want it to go down. But
then again, at the same time, I was so creeped
out by it that I was just happy to get
I wanted it out of my body. So all kinds
of things like that, Yeah, physical Marx bruises. Then there
was the missing pregnancies too, and you know, yeah, if anything,

(35:03):
that's the most extreme that I had. And I've since
talked to so many other women who've gone through the
same ordeals that I did. With the pregnancies, which was crazy.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah, you have that you had phantom pregnancies, and I
think you shared once a story about like a possible
assassination attempt on your life, perhaps at the hospital.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah, I had. Yeah, which would you like me to
talk about?

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Let's talk about the pregnancies first.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
And okay, when yeah, when I was It started when
I was younger, in my twenties or late teens, early twenties,
and I was married, so you know, it wasn't unusual
that I got pregnant.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
We weren't trying, so it was a surprise that I
got pregnant. I went to the doctor and had all
the tests done and blood tests back then, you know,
and got my prescription from my vitamins and had my
doctor's appointments and it was all confirmed. I was pregnan
and my body knew it was pregnant. It was going
through all the pregnancy changes and the hormones and everything else.

(36:07):
My doctor confirmed that baby was there. And about the
end of the first trimester, I started spotting and in
the middle of the night, I woke up my stomach
hurt very bad, and I was just spotting. But I
wasn't bleeding. Nothing came out of me, but I was
in pain. So we went to the hospital and the

(36:31):
went into the emergency room and the doctors couldn't find
a heartbeat, so they didn't ultrasound and they couldn't see
a baby. So they're like, well, you didn't lose this
baby at home. You don't remember the baby, And I'm like, no,
I would know if something came out of my body, right,
you know, It's not like it's not like you wouldn't

(36:53):
see something come out. And so they did a DNC,
which is where they go and they scraped your uterus
to remove any remaining tissue in there so that you
don't get an infection or in case there's still something
in there, or and also to find out what went
wrong and why the pregnancy terminated. And they did a

(37:17):
DNC and they came back and they said, ma'm are
you sure you were pregnant? And I'm like, yes, you
can call my doctor.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
It was all confirmed. You know, we went through all
the stuff.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
There's a baby in there, there's a heartbeat in it,
there's all these things, right, And I'm like why, They're like,
because there was no fetal tissue and your uterus. Your
uterus was just clean. And they couldn't explain to me
what happened to my baby. And I didn't get to
more in the loss of that baby. I didn't get
to nep with a boy or girl. It was devastating.

(37:49):
And then for them to say, well, maybe you weren't pregnant.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
I was pregnant.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
My doctor confirmed it, my body confirmed it. But the
easiest thing for them to do is to say, well, well,
maybe you know people like to use that phantom pregnancy,
Well what is that that's a term to use when
you don't know what happened, and or hysterical pregnancy. People
use that term too. My body was pregnant. I was pregnant.

(38:13):
My doctor confirmed I was pregnant. This happened multiple times,
and I've had successful pregnancies, and I know what it
felt like to be pregnant. I know what it feels
like to be pregnant. I know what your body goes
through and changes, and what it feels like to have
something in your uterus. So, you know, this happened several times,
and then I realized eventually what was happening was that

(38:35):
the fetuses being taken, because you don't have that much
pain from a phantom from a non existent pregnancy. I mean,
one time, they thought maybe it was a tuble pregnancy. Okay,
well maybe it's up in the in their fallopian tube.
And they looked up there and there was nothing there either,
you know, So it wasn't for lack of looking. They

(38:57):
really did look for those babies because they knew I
had been pregnant. So and now, you know, since then,
I've talked to so many women and it's been such
a relief to them to hear my story and to
read my story or whatever.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
However they heard.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
It because they felt alone their whole lives, and they
didn't have anyone to say, yeah, you know, that's terrible,
you were pregnant, because all they've ever had is people
saying you weren't really pregnant, that didn't really happen.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
And I still get that to this day.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
And that's fine, you don't. You know, people don't have
to believe me. That's fine, that's up to them. But
I know what happened to me, and I did see
those children.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Later.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
There was an abduction where I was taken back into
these facilities, and these underground facilities are huge, and I
try to explain it to people, like if you imagine
the biggest stadium like football stadium and airport and high
school and all that just together and then bigger, you know,

(39:57):
I mean, there are giant rooms and tiny rooms. There
are hallways and elevators and stairs and doors, and it's
very confusing and huge and just a labyrinth of things
going on. In this particular time, I was taken down
a hallway I never remember being down before, and I'm
dealing with UFO brain fogs. So I feel like I'm

(40:19):
just trying really hard to concentrate on what I'm seeing
because it was new to me, and the hallway that
we were walking down was very darkly lit, as almost
everything was there. Most areas were very darkly lit, like
almost a red blue back light, and there were what
looked like if you've ever been to a pet store

(40:40):
and seen those walls with all the aquariums, it looked
like that there were just all these like tanks on
the wall. The wall was just all tanks, and in
them there were some sort of fetuses that look like
and nobody was like telling me what they were. It's
just what they look like to me. And at that

(41:03):
point too, I'd never you know, we didn't have these
as much information as we have to stay I'm trying
to think of, I've ever seen a picture of what
if you just look like at different stages like they
do now and like Time magazine and stuff. But so
we get to the end of that hallway, and I mean,
I'm trying really hard to focus on what's in these tanks.
I don't know if they were human, if they were alien,

(41:24):
if they were a hybrid. You know, I don't have
all of that information. But we get to the end
of the hallway and there's a door on either side,
and then it goes to a normal hallway where there's
no tanks. And so they open the door to the
right and it's the size of the oversized closet, and
I go in and they leave me and babing the

(41:45):
entities that are with me. I think it was a
gray and a Nordic at that point, but I'm yeah.
And in the room is another woman, a human, and
she's on the floor imitating childbirth, and she has a
little feet a little baby in her hands, and she's
pretending to get birth to it. And I'm just like,

(42:06):
what is giling on? You know, I'm just like this.
I don't like this, not that I liked any of it, right,
but and then they, uh, Gray, he's a gray, hands
me a baby and then she's it says that I
don't know if it's a he or she is so
hard to tell. This one looked kind of feminine, though.

(42:29):
This is your baby. It's a good baby, old your baby.
And I take this baby and it just keeps telling
me it's a good baby. It's a good baby. And
I look at this little baby and it's very small,
and it's almost blue purple in color, kind of reddish blue,
so it was kind of purple. It had a big
head and big eyes, bigger than my human babies, so

(42:52):
I could tell it was some sort of a hybrid,
but I could tell it was mine immediately.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
I knew.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
I just knew. There's just that mother's instinct. And maybe
it wasn't, but if it wasn't, I wanted it to
be because I'm holding this baby. So I hold it
up to me like I would any baby or even
a kitten or something, you know, and it won't cuddle
into me. It's just not responding to me. It's alive,
but it's not responding to me holding it. And I
keep looking at it, going what's wrong with my baby?

(43:20):
And trying to hold it, trying to get it to
respond to me, and it's just not responding at all.
And I'm getting very upset, and they're upset that I'm upset,
and she's like, you know, just hold your baby. It's
a good baby. I'm like, it won't cuddle me, what's
wrong with my baby? I'm now I'm getting upset. I'm like, okay,
well it's time to go, and I'm like no, no, no,
I'm taking my baby. Oh, because I'm thinking to myself,

(43:46):
I can fix it. I can help it. I can
get whatever it needs right to make it right. Something's
wrong with this baby. And they're like, no, you can't
take this baby home. And I'm like, yes, I'm taking money.
This is my baby. I'm taken it home. You know,
I'm belligerent at this point, and so that's the point
where they just switched me off. And the next thing,

(44:07):
you know, I wake up. I'm in bed, no baby,
and I'm devastated, and I just remember crying and being
so devastated that I didn't have this baby because I
didn't know what was wrong with it. I didn't understand
what a hybrid really was at that point, you know,

(44:28):
so I just thought I could fix it. I could
help it, I could heal it.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
But you know, that was.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
That was so hard. It was really hard. But then
I did see them, saw three of my children later,
much many, many years later, I woke up in the
middle of the night and I see three kids standing

(45:01):
by beside my bed, along the side of it, and
I'm waking up and I'm like, hey, so and so,
what's wrong I said one of my children's names as
I'm you know, trying to focus and wake up, you know,
worre you get when you wake up. And then I realized,
wait a minute, that's not that child. This is this

(45:24):
kid's too short and too stocky to be. But I
have a lot of kids, so if to have three
of them show up at the side of the bed
in the middle of night would not be unusual. Okay,
So I was just like, what's wrong. You know, maybe
they're trying to make popcorn or watch a movie and
they need me to help put myself and you never know,
but my kids were more grown at this point, so
they weren't that short. And so I hit my husband.

(45:45):
I said, hey, wake up, Oh my gosh, wake up.
You got to see this. And he is in just
a dead sleep state. He will not move, he won't
wake up, he won't budge. I hit him, I yellow
his name. He won't move. So I turned back to
the There are three of them, and they're boys, or
they look good boys. They're all wearing what looks like

(46:06):
a gray hooded sweatshirt almost type of thing, and so
the hoodies over their head and it's kind of down
a little bit over their face and it's dark, but
I could tell their skin almost look blue, and their
eyes looked very, very black. Where they black eye kids?
I can't tell for sure because there wasn't enough light
in the room for me to see that clearly.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
But I look back at them.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
I'm like, oh my gosh, it's you. I knew these
were my kids. It's that mom instinct because I have
a lot of kids. I have a lot of kids
that call me mom that aren't my birth children that
I love, but my birth children I can pick. I
just know, you know, And so I knew these were mine.
And I was so excited. I mean, I'm like, oh
my gosh too. And I'm like, the next thing I know,

(46:51):
I just feel like this evil coming off of them.
I mean, it was like a wave hitting me, crashing
into me, and I'm shocked and I'm like, what's wrong?
And their mind speak again, you have to come with us.
At this point, I've stopped the abductions. I've learned that

(47:12):
these beings have the same creator that I have, and
I can call on our creator and they have to go,
and I didn't. They no longer have permission. But the
reason these children were there is because I was wanting
my kids and I was saying, God, I just want them,
Please just let me see them, let me have them,
let me fix them. I didn't understand, and so I

(47:34):
was giving that permission for them to be there, and
they kept saying, you have to come with us, and
I just felt this anger coming off of them. I'm like,
why are you so angry? You know nothing and this
had anything to do with me, and it's completely out
of my control. And I had prayed for them and
prayed about them, and it was just evil and they

(47:56):
just kept saying, you have to come with us. I said, no,
I'm not going back, never going back to that, you know.
And they were just getting more and more angry, and
the evil was just building. And finally I'm just as
I'm saying no, I just almost habitually, but I'm just like,
no in Jesus' name.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
No.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
The second I say Jesus and Jesus name, They're gone.
And my husband's straight up in Betty, He's like, what
as if I had just tried to wake him that second,
And I'm just like, now you wake up, you know.
And I understood why he couldn't, you know, at that point.
But I'm like, oh my gosh, and I'm like, you're
not gonna believe what just happened. They were here and

(48:37):
it was you know, and I was devastated and I was,
but at the same time, I had closure and I
understood what they were, that they were hybrid, they weren't human,
they didn't seem to have a soul, they didn't seem
to have that love. Are they redeemable or not. That's
not for me to say. I'm not God, I'm not
their creator. But what I can say is what I

(49:00):
felt from them was just pure evil. Then it was ugly,
and but I did get closure, you know, I got
that chance. And I would not recommend that to anyone
because it was scary. And had I not had the
proper tools, had I not had on understood the Forlarmer
of God, had not understood the legalities of all that,
and that I was protected and covered, I could have

(49:21):
been taken, if you know, And that could have been
a really devastating situation because they clearly did not want
to good things for me.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
So that you had to go through that, it is,
but you know.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
It gives me the opportunity to share with people who
and what they are, and so yeah, it was terrifying
and it was emotional.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
And I'm just now to the point that I.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Can talk about it without prying, you know, because I
talk about it so much now I can talk about
these things without bursting into tears. But I do have
my clean X right here, because I still often do.
I got closure, I because I really, you know, you
feel as a mom when there's a child out there.

(50:07):
It's just some kind of instinct that God gave us.
And thank you for your compassion on that. I really
appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
And I got.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
To share with others who wanted the same thing and say,
you know, here's what it is and here's what happened
for me, and this is what I know about it,
and just to help comfort other women who've gone through this.
So it's given me some tools to help comfort, some
tools to help talk to other people about it and

(50:36):
to share about it. So for that, I'm I'm all.
I will always be grateful.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Coming back to your first baby, do you know if
the baby was ill, that's the reason why it was
brought to you.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
I had somebody on not too long ago, and you
took her on board because her hybrid child was ill,
one of many, but the others were okay, but that
specific baby was ill, and she the Grace, said that
she had too much human in her and she needed

(51:11):
the touch of a human. And as soon as she
took her child to her m after a few moments,
color came back to her body, her skin started to change,
and eventually the Grace took the baby back. But yeah,

(51:31):
so that's the same.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
They wanted me to hold the baby, and they wanted
me to hold it to my skin. You know they were,
because I knew were just holding it right up to
my skin, you know, in that contact and expecting to
feel a response. So that makes sense. Maybe it was,
I don't know, because they didn't tell me. The one
thing about them that I find so frustrating, especially for

(51:55):
when I'm talking to people about it, is, you know,
they're not offering information. I can tell you what I
know based on what I remember and what I observed,
but they didn't offer a lot of helpful information as
far as what they were doing and why. You know,
there was some information, but obviously, you know, I would
have liked to have known what was going on, but

(52:16):
I never if I did go back to that baby
or see it again, I don't remember. That's a memory
I don't have back. And for those listening, I've never
done any regression therapy. The memories I have are just
the memories I have, and when I allow myself to
relax into it and not be afraid, you know, I

(52:39):
still have more memories that open up and I get
more details, you know. But it's it's scary, and it's
difficult to let those memories in even though I know
I don't have to be afraid anymore. So I'm sure
that you know if I I don't know, I mean,
I'm sure it's possible that I could remember more of

(53:01):
that of those incidents. But what I have right now
are the memories I have, and I try not to
share anything that I don't have a good, clear memory
of because I don't want anyone to get, you know,
false information for me, that would be devastating.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
So you never were like trained on border craft?

Speaker 2 (53:20):
I was, Oh, yes, I was. I was trained to
fly one of these little craft. And I don't talk
about that a lot because I don't like to glamorize it.
But I do write about it, and I will talk
about it. There was so what it was like was

(53:40):
it was small. There was a little There were two
chairs back to back, and they were like those kind
of egg shaped chairs, you know if you're seeing those
kind of half big chairs.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
And I get in.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
When I sat down, it formed to my body. So
it literally conformed and fit into and conformed around my
body in my hands especially, and there were then there
were like controls kind of lit under where my hands were,
but I didn't have to press any controls or do anything.
I don't know if they were controls or what it was,
but some of those symbols again that we talked about earlier,

(54:14):
were on that chair and then around two because there
was obviously ship around us, so opposite me facing the
other way was a gray and so I never did
this alone. I was always with another entity, and it
was the ship. You could see through it, like I

(54:38):
could see through well. I could see the walls and
the controls and all the things around me. You could
also see through it. This is so hard to explain.
You know, we have windows today that you can't see
in but you can see out, or like two way mirrors.
It was kind of like that, but at the same
time like it was see through and solid the same time. Gosh,

(55:01):
it's so hard to describe, and it kind of you
could think about it and make it more clear. And
it responded to my thoughts. The ship itself seemed to
be very much alive and responding to me, and the
movements were by my thoughts and the slightest movements of
my hand, and it came out of the end of

(55:22):
there were these little ones in a big ship, and
they came out of the end almost like a soap
bubble coming off of a wand they just kind of
popped out like that and it would just go. It
was so well because it would just go straight up
and straight down, and it was just the most exhilarating,
crazy feeling to do that, to get real close to

(55:43):
trees and then go way up, you know, and everything.
And I don't have any memories of going to other
solar systems or planets or anything like that, and you know,
nothing like that ever that I that I have memories of.
But that is the memories I have of being on

(56:04):
one and getting to pilot, and I got to do
that quite a bit. And that was one of those
things where it's like I equate it to like when
you're in an abusive relationship and to keep you going.
You know, every now and then you'll get a nice
little gift like here, here's a pretty dress, and the
next time you turn around, you you know, getting locked
in a closet or something. It's that it's the kind of, oh,

(56:26):
sorry about that. Here, here's something fun for you to do,
you know what I mean. It was just kind of
that keeping you on the string. A lot of grooming
going on, a lot of I had a lot of
Stockholm syndrome type relationship going on with the whole thing
as well, where you get which is capture bonding for

(56:46):
those who might not know what that is, where when
people are kidnapped, they will sometimes bond to their captor
because this is the person providing you food, water, safety
in an unsafe environment, right but keep you alive, and
your mind creates this inappropriate bond with that person. And

(57:07):
I kind of had a lot of that going on,
and I've talked to a lot of other adut abductees
who had felt exactly the same way, and some people
are still in that Stockholm syndrome and that kindture bonding
because when you really look at it from a nuts
and bolts perspective. I can't, for me, justify kidnapping a

(57:29):
little kid. I can't justify rape. And I was raped,
and you look at cattle mutilations, and you know they're
using that blood we think for probably for these fetuses,
because you know, bovine blood can be used in place
of human blood, and most people don't know that. So
I can't justify those actions and as the actions of

(57:51):
a benevolent being if they are so, they are so
smart and so far advanced of us, which tells me
that they are are better ways and other ways to
communicate and to offer information and to get whatever it
is they need other than terrorizing little children and animals,

(58:17):
you know. And that's my opinion, and I respect everyone
else who might have a different opinion too, that's fine,
but that's just my opinion on matter.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
I remember you describing or talking about the fact that
you'd walk back and forth as a kid because of
the trauma.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Oh yeah, yeah, a lot of that.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Yeah, Just it's funny of the things that you know
as a little kid that you do to compensate. Well, like,
even while we're talking about it here, I'm twisting a
little piece of paper, because the things that are painful,
it's just a way to kind of let that pain
go somewhere else instead of on my face or in
my voice. I can, I can let that out somewhere else,

(58:57):
you know what I mean, especially when we talk about
the kids, because that's.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
Really hard for me. That's really painful for me.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
So sleep with my entire belly against the wall as
a kid, because I knew there'd be you would be
behind me. There was there so if I i'd felt
safe sleeping against the walls, I slept like that up
until the age of eleven, roughly.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Wow, yeah, I understand that completely. Yes, I mean I
would get under the covers and close my eyes so
tight and be as far away from the windows and
the doors as I could be. And I remember my
older sibling saying to me, it doesn't matter. And oh
that was the other thing. Like I'd try to find
places to hide at night, Like I thought if I
could get in a suitcase and zip it up and
put it under the bed, because my grandma had these

(59:35):
big zipper suitcases that were huge, that maybe they wouldn't
find me there. And I remember my older sibling saying
it doesn't matter where you go or you hide. They
can sue you no matter where you are. So we
are little kids, like little little like I was probably
five when we had that conversation, talking about them can
see through the house and we can't hide from them.

(59:59):
You know what, Little kids have conversations like that. That's
not just something you pick up from TV. Because that
wasn't something that was on TV. We didn't have books
or movies or things like that to explain any of
this to us. You know, we were just scared like
you were. We were just scared little kids who didn't
want to be bothered and poked and prodded and taken
away from our homes. You know, your bedroom, your home,

(01:00:21):
your bed is supposed to be a safe place, and
that safety didn't exist for us.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
You know, growing up in the seventies, we had three channels,
so we didn't know anything about ET's.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Right, four, six, ten, and thirteen sometimes and that you
channel sometimes but otherwise it's just that yeah, TV screen fuzz.
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
So what age did the event at the hospital happened?

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Oh, oh that was not long That was about eight
years ago. Maybe that was not long ago. I've had
a couple of things like that happened since I've been talking.
I went in for surgery and was taken into the
operating room and I had two IV ports in but
I was not hooked up to ivs. I was not

(01:01:12):
hooked up to machines or monitors. But I was actually
in the operating room on the operating table waiting for
the doctor because for some reason he wasn't quite ready.
But they had taken me in anyway, and I didn't
have any meds on me in me yet or anything.
And it wasn't my first surgery, so I wasn't nervous
about that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
You know. I was familiar with this surgeon.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
And there were two nurses in there that were just
walking around prepping the room doing stuff, weren't paying attention
to me, and an anesthesiologist or a nurse an esthetist
or whatever she was. A woman came in. She had
a white lab coat, short dark hair, leaned over me.
She had a pocket full of syringes, pulled one out
and pushed it into my IV port and turned and

(01:01:57):
walked away. I thought it was a sedative, which I
was happy about getting because it just relaxes you so.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Much, and you know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
She turned and walked away, didn't say how's that feel,
how are you?

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Nothing?

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
She turned and walked away. And never saw this woman
again ever. I tried to find her. I've never been
able to locate her, find her name, anything anyway. So
what she gave me was not a sedative. It was
a paralytic and not being hooked up to anything and
not having anyone around me. I died on that table
as I sat there and laid there, and my body

(01:02:31):
turned to what felt like cement almost immediately. I couldn't
call for help. I couldn't signal for help. I couldn't
do anything. I couldn't breathe, I couldn't move, and I
remember I'm thinking, oh my god, I'm like, God, help me.
And I heard an audible voice in my head say
it's okay, you can let go now. It was the

(01:02:52):
most beautiful voice I've ever heard. And all of a sudden,
in the blink of an eye, I'm out of my body,
and I feel like I'm above into the side of
my body, and now I can see everything. I can
see my body. I can see the nurses, I can
see the doctor in the adjoining room getting stuff ready.
I can see the hall, you know everything. It was

(01:03:13):
like walls didn't prevent me from seeing. I could hear
without ears, see without eyes, that kind of thing. I
was still me, My personality was still me. It was
just it was me, just without any of this external
stuff I was. I felt the most unbelievable, incredible, indescribable

(01:03:35):
peace and love. I can't There's just no words to
describe it. It was just the most beautiful feeling. I mean,
there's no way to describe it. It was just incredible, piece,
beyond all understanding love that I never knew existed. I

(01:03:56):
was not afraid. I knew everything I needed to know
in that moment. I knew that I was gonna just
wait right there beside my body. I had no fear,
I had no worries. I didn't go down a tunnel
and see a bright light. I didn't go see my
relatives or anything like that. I just kind of knew
that this was just a little hiccup, you know, I

(01:04:19):
was gonna be back in there. I watched the nurses
as they realized something was wrong. When it was like,
is she having an allergic reaction? And the other nurse
comes there and she's like she's not breathing. And then
the other nurse goes and runs in and gets the
doctor and he comes out yelling, bag her, bag her,
you know. And I, you know, from I can see

(01:04:40):
things that they're doing what I would not have been
able to see from laying down like that, the expressions
on everyone's faces, the things they're saying and doing. And
they put that bag over my face and it didn't
do anything. And as they're doing that, there's all kinds
of things going on, and people start running in the
room and now we've got, you know, half a dozen

(01:05:02):
people doing stuff and trying to revive me. And the
next thing I know, my head and wanting me to
put my head back, and they put it. They intubate me,
and all of a sudden, I taste the metal in
my mouth and that' said, everything went black. So I
was back in my body at that point. If anything
else happened at that point, I don't remember. And if

(01:05:23):
God wants me to remember, I will, but I don't.
So the next thing I know, I woke up in
the recovery room. They went ahead with the surgery, which
is a massive spinal reconstruction. And usually when I wake
up in a recovery room post surgical, because I've had
some surgeries from this. There's one or two nurses and

(01:05:43):
a bunch of people, you know, and they're just kind
of watching them, looking after people, watching them wake up,
giving me the ice chips, things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Not this time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
This time, I woke up and there was about six
doctors and nurses standing around me. I woke up just
screaming and pain to the point that they kept having
put me back under because I was screaming. I was
writhing in paint. I don't know if it was coming
back into this body with such a jolt, but I've
never felt like that coming out of surgery before. Eventually,

(01:06:13):
and it's had to be about three and a half
hours into it. I've never been in recovery for four
hours either. But this time it was I remember going, God,
please help me. And the next time I open my eyes,
there's two handsome young orderlies at the foot of the bed.
They look like brothers. They're dressed the same, they look
really similar. They calmed me down, they helped me through

(01:06:36):
the recovery. They were sweet as pie. I remember talking
to him. One, you look like you could be two
of my boys. You know, two of my sons. You're
so handsome and sweet. Thank you know, just thanking them
profusely because they just they calmed me and all of
a sudden, you know, everything's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
I'm going now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
They're taking me up to ICU, to my room, and
the two people that I get to have there were
my husband and my daughter, all who were always there
for me post surgical. And I remember, you know, getting
out of the elevator going down the hall, and they're
pushing me down the hall and I get to the
room and I grab my husband's hand and my daughter
in law's hand, and I'm like.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
You have to meet these boys. Oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
I would not have made it through recovery without them.
I was in so much pain, and you know, they
just called me down. They're the sweetest boys. They I'm
looking at my husband one, honey, they look like it
could be our boys, you know, they're just my kids
all look different, but they're like, yeah, definitely. And I'm like,

(01:07:37):
and I look up and they're not there. And I
look at the nurse and the other orderly who are
on either side of me, and I said, what happened
to the boys, And she's like, what boys, honey, And
I said, the two boys that were with me in recovery,
they were with me in the elevator and down the hall.
I've been talking to them the whole time. Do you
know where they went? I want to thank them? And
she's like, honey, it's only just been me and whatever
his name is, the other orderly, And like, no, I've.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Been talking to these guys the whole time.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
She's like, no, honey, we wondered what you were doing.
Who you're talking to because and nobody else saw them
but me, and I searched that hospital high and low.
I asked every doctor, every nurse, everyone who had anything
to do with my case. A who was the woman
in the operating room? And B where did these two
orderlies go? And I really think they were angels. They

(01:08:25):
were good angelic beings. And that's why I say to people,
there are beautiful, good, benevolent, positive beings of light, angelic beings,
good godly, beautiful entities out there. And they came and
they helped me, but they did not interfere. They stayed

(01:08:46):
only to do what they were called to do, and
then they were gone. They didn't hurt me in any way,
they only helped me, and I asked for help and
that's why they were there. So there's a huge difference
there between them and the other entities. Know, and when
I think about them, all I can do is smile.
But then when I think about the other ones, you know,
it's a whole another ow. So it just you know, Yeah,

(01:09:08):
have I had attempts on my life? Yes, So I
pray about that every day.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
And I know I'm you know, God was protecting me.
But there there definitely is some unhappiness that I'm sharing
this story. So I'm just I'm just careful. I'm not
going to stop because this is helping people. There are
people who are so grateful that they've been able to

(01:09:34):
learn about the story and then share their stories with me.
I'm not a therapist, I'm not a doctor. I'm not
doing anything like that. What we're doing is sharing the
stories that we have in common, and the kindness and
the bond of having gone through similar traumas and how
to stop it and how to get out of it
and how to heal from it. I did PTSD therapy

(01:09:55):
after that near death experience because of how it happened
that therapy helped me deal with this lifetime of difficult, challenging,
brutal encounters. That's why I'm able to talk about it today.
That's what spurred me to reach out to lamor Zulie
to all of this. That's what gave me the courage

(01:10:16):
and the strength to do it. Is not just God's
urging and love, but that that therapy that I had
showed me how to deal productively with these really.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Difficult memories.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Could you tell us what's a paralytic?

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
Oh? Sure?

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
So paralytic is just a drug that they give you
often when you're having like when I have surgeries on
my spine. So it's a drug that they'll give you
once you're put under anesthesia and you have machines breathing
for you and monitors on you. Then they can give
you a paralytic that keeps you from moving so that
you don't accidentally injure yourself during a surgery. So that

(01:10:59):
was that type of drug that I was given. It's
it's just something that paralyzes you as if you had
no ability to move it all, and it's given in
really like doses. They can bring you out of it
to make sure you can still move if they're doing
something perilously close to your spye, which you know in
my case they would be doing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
So that's what that is.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Yeah. So this, yeah, this is not your normal procedure.
Yeah yeah, yeah, Karen, just just to finish off the interview,
do you have like a closing statement or perhaps another
story that you might want to get out.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Yeah, I would love to just share some final thoughts
for people, if that's okay. One is, you know, there's
a big stigma around this topic, and I really want
people to to start talking and to make it okay
to talk about things like UFOs, UFO abductions, aliens, alien induction,
that type of thing. It's becoming more accepted. You know,

(01:11:54):
even our own Congress, the halls of Congress are buzzing
with information about this. We are on a path to disclosure,
but that's not going to necessarily happen until the powers
that be decide they want it to happen, or until
these entities force it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
But if you have had.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Something like this happened to you, or you know someone
who has, you know, just if you know someone who has,
I encourage you to listen, just with an open heart
and open mind. You don't have to believe what someone
is telling you. You just have to be there for
them and be a friend and be encouraging because a
lot of this does bust through people's paradigms really really hard,

(01:12:29):
because it's not something that fits. If it's tappened to you,
I encourage you to, you know, reach out to me
through my website. You can leave me a message. You
can find me on social media Karen Wilkinson. You'll find
the blue check mark you know you found me. But
if you send me a message that way, it'll take
a while to get to you because I get so
much spam in there and so many messages that it

(01:12:52):
takes me a while to sort through. So you can
reach out to me at my email address. Just go
to my website, which is Karen Wilkinson author dot com,
and I'll give you all the of the show notes
and on. There's a contact page that goes straight to
my inbox, and I'm the one reading those and answering
those no one else. It might take me a while
sometimes if you haven't heard from me, send me a
second one in case something happened, but I will get

(01:13:16):
back to you. Reach out to people find someone you
know you can trust if you can't reach out to me,
and I'll you know, tell you, hey, there's confidence. Like
if I'm going to be at a conference, go to that conference.
You'll meet other people you can talk to about this.
And then I encourage people, you know, be careful when
it comes to this subject because these beings, you know,

(01:13:38):
you don't know what you're going to get, and you're
not necessarily going to get a benevolent, loving space. Brother,
if you go calling on these things, I always say,
don't look up for them. Look up for him, you know,
look up for our Savior, our Lord, our creator. We
all have the same creator.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
I'm not overtly religious, but I do write all of
these things from a biblical lens because it is our
guy book, our guidebook to life, our guidebook to the supernatural.
There are many, many amazing answers in there. People don't
understand how much good information isn't there. So there're just
there are a lot of resources out there. If you

(01:14:15):
just do some searching, you can find resources. Myself, other people,
good people like mister Gray here who are doing what
they can to help keep you know, let people know
and make it okay to have these conversations. I really,
I just can't tell you how much, mister Gray, I
appreciate the work that you're doing giving people a platform
to share these stories. Sometimes just talking about it is
also one needs to do, and it's going to change

(01:14:37):
their life and it's going to make everything. It's going
to turn things around, and it's going to turn around
for someone else because they're going to hear it and
they're going to know that they can be okay too.
I'm okay and you can be okay too. No matter
what you've gone through, there is always a way. And
if you're feeling distraught and you're feeling like you've you know,
there are hotlines you can reach out for. You know,

(01:15:00):
the suicide prevention hotlines are amazing. There are just so
many resources out there, So please don't give up. These
dark things can be hard, but you can get through it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
If somebody wants to purchase your book, how do they proceed?

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
The book is available. You can go to my website
or to my social media and there are links on
there under my name Karen Wilkinson. Author is the website
and Karen Wilkinson on social media. The book is available
exclusively at Lamarzuli dot com or when I'm at events,
I have it with me there too, or you can
just reach out to me and ask me on my
website and I can get one to you that way

(01:15:37):
as well. If you want to sign copy, I'm happy
to do that. L Amarzuli dot net or dot com,
l A M A r z U l l I
dot com or dot net and go to his store page.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
Or like I said, I'll be at events. I'll be
at the.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
I'll be at a Prophecy Watchers conference later this month
in Colorado Springs, Colorado. This is June, and I don't
know when this will air, and in July I will
most likely be in Brookville, Ohio with the go there
for conference. I'm having some surgery done after that, so
y'all might not see me for a month or two,
but when I get back out there as quick as

(01:16:15):
I can. So yeah, just reach out to me. If
you can't find the book, let me know and I'll
help you get a hold of it. And I just
really appreciate everyone who who gets a copy of it
and supports me. That means so much. I'm just you know,
trying to get the word out and help wherever I can.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
So thank you well, thanks Karen for coming on again,
and thank you for being so brave. Really it takes
a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
Well, thank you, you're brave too. I love your stories too,
and thank you for sharing with me, and thank you again.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
And to those watching, I hope you enjoyed today's interview.
I'm your host, mister gret Our interviews come up and
I'll see you guys next time. So tack everyone. Hello everyone,
this is mister Great and thanks for watching today's episode.
If you are an abductee, contact tee or experiencer and
you believe that your story could help others, please feel
free to contact me through my YouTube channel email. When

(01:17:03):
it comes to experiencers, thet phenomena and the future, remember
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