Nathan Walters: And Then The Blue Doctors Came

Welcome Back Everyone! Nathan Walters is a multi-faction E.T. Contactee. He has been in contact with beings very much akin to those seen by Whitley Strieber (seen in Communion 1989), the ones called the Blue Doctors. He has seen small Greys, Mantids, Nordics, Shadow Beings, Light Beings/Angelics. From early childhood his abductions started. An amazing tale! Enjoy!

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Nathan Walters Biography:
Nathan Walters, originally from Colorado, is currently 40 years old and lives in Middletown, Ohio.
He is an experiencer of many forms of high strangeness, seemingly from the time of birth. 
However many of his experiences, regarding UFOs and Alien-like creatures, followed him throughout his entire life. 
Mostly of his childhood experiences were forgotten until his awakening in September of 2013. 
That year he had a series of strange experiences that really didn't stop until 2018 or so. 
Since then he has been researching and and attempting to understand these experiences. 
#extraterrestrial  #aliens #paranormal 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello everyone, and welcome back to another chapter of Experiencer Interviews.
And today we've got another amazing soul coming to us
from the US. We have Nathan Walters on board today.
Nathan Walters, originally from Colorado, is currently forty years old
and lives in Middletown, Ohio. He is an experiencer of
many forms of high strangeness, seemingly from the time of birth. However,

(00:39):
many of his experiences regarding UFOs and alien like creatures
followed him throughout his entire life. Mostly of his childhood
experiences were forgotten until his awakening in September of twenty thirteen.
That year, he had a series of strange experiences that
really did not stop until two thousand eighteen or so.

(01:01):
Since then he has been researching and attempting to understand
these experiences. So, Nathan, thank you so much for coming on.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Thank you for having me. Yeah. I I've been trying
to understand these experiences since about I would say since
about twenty fifteen in terms of I went through a

(01:30):
period of really going through things and then a period
of trying to understand what I was going through.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah. So, Nathan, when did your experiences start off? For you.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
My experience has really started in early childhood, as some
of my earliest men worries are actually these types of experiences.
It started off seemingly in my dream life, and even

(02:20):
from birth, I would say I had what my parents
would have thought of as imaginary friends, similar to what
you hear from people who have lived in haunted places.
But I've always picked up on things. I've always been
a little on the psychic end of the spectrum. I

(02:41):
think they discovered me young because of that, and I've
always been I've always gotten visions of things that seemed
to come to pass later on. I just didn't put
a lot of these other alien aspects together because it

(03:02):
was happening behind the scenes. Although there were always beings
that would show up, but then I would forget immediately
forget about it, or I would have a sighting, and
then I would have a more extreme experience, such as
being taken or and if you taken somewhere. I've seen

(03:30):
UFOs in the context of maybe within a week or
so of an experience, but never just stand alone seeing
UFOs with lots of witnesses or anything like that. And
it's never been like while I was driving or It's
always been kind of confined to my personal space, and

(03:58):
the messaging has always been and on the metaphysical end
of the spectrum, and then it sent me down kind
of an esoteric path. I tend to think of this
in terms of being multi dimensional, but I've had physical

(04:25):
abductions as well.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Well, let's get into the childhood stuff. So what did
exactly happened? Did the were you in bed? They came
to you at night?

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yes, even from oftentimes I would have visitors that were
that would appear, maybe like from my perspective, I would
be in bed, I would open my eyes and there
would be two of these short, stocky blue beings and

(05:03):
they were approximately three feet tall three to four somewhere
in that range, but stocky built, not like Grays at all.
They were wearing kind of a maroonish cloak, and they
would appear frequently throughout my life, but they're the earliest

(05:23):
one that I remember seeing. And at first they would
just appear in my room and observe me, and I
would never be taken anywhere. In most of my very
early memories, I'm not being taken awhere until I see Grays,

(05:44):
which is probably around four or.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Five now the description of the of the beings that
they seem to be at least they looked like those
which while Streeber talked about the Blue Doctors.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yes, I've read Communion, I've followed Whitley's work over the years,
and I would say he's describing the same thing. But
I can't be I can't be certain. It's the closest
rendering I've ever seen in terms of what the film depicts.

(06:22):
But even he says that it's not right in the film.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Really did they say anything to you at the time.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Oftentimes these things, these things don't really come bearing me messages.
They seem to just observe things, and sometimes they would,
like later on, after my family moved a few times
and as I got a little older, things would start

(06:53):
to take me with them and they would be part
of that at like I would be awoken at night
once even out of my own parents' bedroom because I
had been afraid to sleep in my own room, and
I would then I would ask to sleep in there.

(07:17):
And this was like fourth fifth grade, third fourth grade maybe,
and they would come into my room or often. But
it had gotten me to a point where I was
afraid to sleep alone. So I was sleeping in my

(07:40):
parents' bed, and I have a distinct memory of being
woken and seeing basically these two blue doctors and a

(08:01):
short what looked like a short gray extraterrestrial. And this
one blue doctor would come around the side, and he
had this device in his hand. It looked like a
it looked like a toy out of a movie. It

(08:21):
didn't look like almost like a wand but it had
lights on the end. And he touched it to me,
and I felt like an electrical charge to go through me,
and I remember them carrying me, and I remember being

(08:42):
passed through a closed window, and this was when my
parents were in the bed, and I also have memories
from that experiences of awakening and a strain environment, and

(09:05):
what I call like the waiting room is like a
large purple lit environment. It's like a square room and
it looks like the walls are lined with black light.
And I'm led from that room to My next memory

(09:30):
is being on a stretcher or being on a table,
and I'm looking up at a very tall, thin, willowy
white extraterrestrial with a bald head and black eyes. And
that's my last memory before I wake up. From that experience,

(09:53):
and that was around the time I was in third
or fourth grade.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Oh there's a lot going on there. Holy moly, do
you before they came to you, did you have like
a sense of foreboding or a sense of dread that
something's going to happen, or was there any signs that
they were coming?

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well, frequently I would have multiple, like if one, because
I've seen several types of extraterrestrials. I've seen short, stocky
blue beings, I've seen grays, and I've seen the tall,
willowy white being. And I've also seen what I would

(10:37):
call like Nordic looking beings, which are like slightly taller
than average, fairly human looking, with pale skin and blonde,
very blonde hair, like pale to the point of they
wouldn't fit in public. And they've been around my whole
life too, and and I have memories of them going

(11:02):
back to even before the experience with my parents' room.
But these experiences would happen in kind of a pattern
where I would have a siding, some group would show up,
then I'd have a sighting of a different type of craft,
and a different group would show up, and this would

(11:24):
play out over the course of about a month, and
then it would go away for about a year. And
it just happened like that, and I would get visited
by two or three extra dress reel groups. Maybe extra
dress reels, I don't like using that term, really, but

(11:46):
two or three groups that were coming and taking me
or coming into my environment and interacting with me. And
it happened off and on all the way through elementary
and middle school. But the time I got into middle school,
I had a more I went to the I lived
in Tennessee by then, and I had moved three times

(12:09):
and four times, and I was more rooted in one
place finally, and I was there till I was out
of high school, and I had a more set group
of friends. But I also had just moved from a

(12:32):
very liberal place Wisconsin to Tennessee, which is pretty Bible
Belts oriented, and I was kind of pushed into a
esoteric spiritual direction as a result of my experience, I
think as a result of my experiences and as a

(12:53):
result of as I said, having later having understood that
I have certain I pick up on things. I'm sensitive
and I'm kind of empathic.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
While being on that well, I suspect you were taken
to a craft. Did you have the leisure of a
were you able to move around on your own visit
the place?

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Not? I mean yes and no. I mean like it
seems like it always happened in a regimented order. Like
I would be in this waiting room period, then I
would be on the table. Maybe I could get up
and walk around the waiting room, but there wasn't much

(13:44):
to it. There were no windows. It reminded me of
being in a room full of black light, so it
was dark but lit.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Did you have the chance to enter act with any
technology while on board the craft?

Speaker 2 (14:04):
There are times where I've seen there are times where
it looks like I've seen things that we have today
that we didn't necessarily used to have, things like technology
that we use today, touch screens, weird tools that would

(14:29):
come down from above. Yeah, things like that. Nothing specific
I've not, I mean, and then I've had really really
bizarre astral experiences my entire life that I feel are

(14:50):
and this was and I came to understand as I
got older, that this was an interact not just with me,
but like it when it wanted to interact with me.
It didn't matter where I lived. It didn't matter where
what environment I was in. They could they could seem

(15:12):
day or night. They could see them stop time, bring
me out of reality and bring me back, even when
there were other people around. When I was a kid,

(15:33):
And I've also seen when I was a kid other
people be messed with by aliens in public during the
day at a crowded movie theater. That was probably when

(15:56):
I was That was like eighth or ninth grade.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
And what were they doing.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
They were mantis beings. And I don't know if this
was a display for me to see or if I
was just picking up on the fact that there were
things that since sometimes mantis beings can appear in totally
physical form or they can be more apparitional, and I

(16:37):
would say this was a time when, as crazy as
it sounds, I have a distinct memory of a crowd
of people and this mantis being and the movie's still running.
And then when I come out of the movie theater,

(16:58):
I remember thinking how that movie end. I don't remember
how the movie ended, but I remember later I worked
at that movie theater, and I just uh, I had
a lot of synchronicities there. You know, they always appear

(17:21):
before a major event in my life, such as my
a difference when I went from uh being a young
kid to into puberty and into my teen years and
when I started dating. It seems like they would interfere
in my They were they would pick up on when

(17:42):
I was, when I met my wife and had kids.
You know, it all feels like they were showing me
elements of my life ahead of time, Like I can
remember having visions of my son before he was born,

(18:07):
my wife before I met her because we lived in
states away till I moved to where she lived. And
it's not that I can you know. I mean, I
know I can't prove any of that, but I can

(18:27):
say these experiences have affected me very deeply, even when
I was less aware of them, because from my perspective,
every time I would have a new experience, it would
be like reliving it because I had forgotten about the
previous one. And it took me till I was in

(18:50):
my twenties to really start putting everything together and looking
back at certain past experiences. I spent a summer in
nineteen I know, I'm kind of jumping around here, but
it's because it wasn't all remembered at once. It wasn't

(19:14):
all one experience. It's a lifelong experience. It's hard to
pick apart from one specific But by the time you
get to twenty twelve, I'm openly having UFO sightings and

(19:36):
starting to figure out that this is going on. And
in twenty thirteen, I had a series of synchronistic events
that began with a series of night terrors, and they

(20:02):
kind of started out of the blue. This was after
my wife and I had separated and I was a
single father at the time, and this is in this
house that I'm in now. I uh, I was asleep

(20:25):
in the master bedroom and I had one of those
dreams where it has like three segments to it, two
or three segments to it, and well, the details of
the dreams themselves literally had nothing to do with aliens
each one and sparked a memory that jarge loose, a

(20:53):
different experience memory. And as this started to unravel, which
took about a month two months, by the time Thanksgiving
had come around, I was in a frenzy thinking about
aliens abducting me and strange coincidences in my own life

(21:18):
and things I had ignored and the fact everything that
was you know, by the time I was by the
time this really started for me and connecting the dots,
I spent about four or five years in a panic mode,
attempting to understand these experiences, attempting to see what other

(21:40):
people thought they were, attempting to decipher what is real,
what is delusional, what is astral, what is physical? What
is a religious experience? Things like that?

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Did you ever wake up with certain markings on your body?

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Even today that can happen. I don't have any scar,
nothing that became a scar, but I've had both due
to having I used to have this mark on my

(22:28):
back that I would tell you now like if I
wish people understood that there really are alien implants, because
I thought that this mark that had been on my back,
you could have been assist I suppose, except that I
had it for about eight years on my back, when

(22:52):
from the time I was a young kid till I
was in about my early twenties, and then it suddenly disappeared,
and there's so it was like I don't know. Sometime
around twenty twelve is when my experience had shifted into
a more I think because I became aware of it,

(23:16):
it shifted into a more aggressive but spiritual direction. I
started having experiences with shadow people in my house and weird,
weird experiences where things would kind of try to come

(23:37):
out of the television, even like something it reminds me
like something out of Nightmare on Elm Street, where Freddy's
pushing through the wall, but it was something pushing through
the television. And these weird or like beings of light

(23:59):
literally like illuminated by illuminescent beings that would just appear,
you know. Frequently I would be awoken to this, and
the first few times it happened, I was so stunned
by the experience that I would have an out of

(24:21):
body experience. And it was in twenty eighteen that my
son and mother passed away, and after she passed away,
he he had to move back here with me. He

(24:45):
had been living with her while I was going through
a lot of these issues, actually because I was so
concerned about my mental state that I thought it was
best he stayed with her. But she passed away and

(25:07):
in twenty eighteen I had to kind of redirect myself.
So I started meditating more and I started trying to
use some of these other I tried to approach it,
not from fear a fear based reaction to it, but

(25:30):
just trying to understand it because and yeah, I know.
And over the years, I've come to the conclusion that
it's not something that is easy to put labels on

(25:52):
these experiences. That's why I like terms like high strangeness
and syncreticity, and I tend to leave what they are
up to other people to figure out what they think
they are. I could I don't have the religious upbringing

(26:15):
to tell you they're not demons and angels, but they
could be. I can't tell you that they're not ancient
aliens coming back from the past, but they could be.
And I can't tell you. But I've seen weird things happen,
like things cut through reality and come out of come

(26:39):
out of holes in reality. And I've seen and I've
been pulled into other environments, either craft or what I
thought were maybe possibly underground, especially when I lived in
Tennessee for some reason. And I've had a lot of

(27:06):
really dark dreams. My dreams are like the most manipulated
part of my experienced. It's odd. It's like something It's
like I'll have my normal day to day dreams about people,
dreams about things, but then it's like I'll have something

(27:32):
will interrupt the flow of that, and it's like a
different director takes over, and I've had to learn how
to become I've learned over the years this was some
sort of psychic attack due to maybe spiritual attachments that
I've had over the years, and I basically learned to

(27:58):
be a halfway decent, lucid dreamer and started having to
defend myself in my sleep because I was being attacked
by shadow people. I was being attacked by my dreams
went to a very horrific place very quickly, and they
stayed that way for about ten years, and it was

(28:24):
kind of a weekly to daily thing, like I rarely
had RESTful sleep. It was like fighting something and you
could just tell it wasn't I could tell it wasn't
something I was generating. It was something that was feeding

(28:48):
off something I was putting out. And I had to
learn that and I had to kind of redirect my
anger and redirect my mind. I had to back off
from I had to back off from the subject for

(29:09):
a while, and I had to really think about these experiences,
and I thought, you know, for all the for all
intents and purposes, you know, it's done nothing but open

(29:30):
my mind, except that it was coming into my room
at night, and it was kind of forcing me to
see things against my will, forcing me to possibly be
used in some way. Who knows, I don't really know.
I've never done hypnosis. I've never done I have memories,

(29:55):
but I can't tell you if they're screen memories or
if they're actually what happened, or do my dreams play
a role in what I remember of it and it
all becomes one big homogeneous thing. But I didn't know

(30:15):
about a lot of the beings outside of the grays
when I was a kid, and it seems odd that
I was seeing a lot of those images, things like
Nordic blondes and mantis beings. Mantis beings especially being that
they're pretty well associated with abduction in the first place.

(30:41):
People like Bod Hopkins have written about them over the years,
and it just seems like it's like you live your
life knowing you're kind of under surveillance. You live there
like knowing that there's sort of more, but you also

(31:07):
live your life knowing there's more to life. And due
to my meditative practices and learning to lucid dream, that
led to me having several out of body experiences. Like
I said, they caused a few of them, but I

(31:28):
kind of learned how to do it myself because of that,
and it just kind of led me in a more
I can't tell you who are what created the universe,
but I could tell you there's more to the universe
than most people are really even remotely aware of.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Did they ever tell you where they were, where they
came from?

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Never any place that I believed them. I've had response
is like Mars and like I remember asking where are
you from to a short ray and it said Mars,
and I was at the time, I was like, well,

(32:16):
that's strange. I would think you'd be. But I mean
at the time I was so young, I probably wouldn't
have known, so whether it would be or not, I
don't necessarily trust their messaging.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Could you explain how you were being taken? Because you
did talk about being lifted and going through the window.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yes, I uh, I've been abducted several times. Like in similarity,
like a similar experience happened to me in nineteen ninety
seven when I was twelve. I was visiting extended relatives
and it was not uncommon that I would have an

(33:06):
experience if I was in an unfamiliar place, and this
was in Missouri, which was closer to us when we
moved to Tennessee. So I was about twelve, and me
and my cousin were sharing a bedroom that had two
beds in it. I was sitting, I was sleeping on

(33:33):
the left hand side of the room, and I was
facing towards a window which was probably facing towards the
right hand side of the room, and we were facing
kind of long ways across the room, and I was
looking at I was awoken in the night. I looked

(33:53):
up and I saw a short gray in the window,
and I heard not a voice but a suggestion to
get up and come outside, and I did not want to.

(34:20):
The next thing I saw was an image in my
head of my deceased grandmother, and I felt calmer, and

(34:42):
I started to get up, and I walked and I
went down the hallway and there were two of the short,
stocky blue beings in the room. They led me outside
without carrying me. But my next memory is being on

(35:08):
the craft, presumably and seeing other people in the room
but not recognizing any of them, and watching other people

(35:29):
go through an abduction experience or being examined and kind
of waiting my turn. And then the next I'm back
on the table that have tools in their hands. There's

(35:52):
a light in my face, but they are there are
three figures standing over me, and they have some instruments
in their hands. And I wake up, and I don't
notice this until the next morning, or till till after

(36:16):
I have come home from Tennessee. But when I wake
up the next morning, the bed that I had been
sleeping in, which was long ways across the room, is
now up against the window and facing the opposite direction,
so that there's more of an l in the room.

(36:38):
And I'm up against the window, So I'm assuming while
I was gone, something else moved it.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
So you went through a procedure of sorts, but you
don't remember what they actually did to you.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
No, I do not. I don't. It wasn't told to
me what they were doing, and they weren't in communication.
They were just doing what they were doing.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Can you tell me what blood type you have?

Speaker 2 (37:12):
I think I'm just abe positive man. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Interesting, You've been having these contacts throughout your entire life,
but to be part of them, I assume that you've
had some sort of contract agreement prior to you being
on Earth incarnating. Do I have be like past memories
past life memories?

Speaker 2 (37:35):
I do, I have more those came later. My past
life memories are similar to this reality. It's like but
different timelines, like maybe I remember or it's like it's

(38:02):
like I remember between the lives better than I remember
specifically where I came from. Except to say that my
astral life is filled with like an endless supply of

(38:22):
ancient gods, an endless supply of weird characters that appear
up in my dreams, lots of symbolism, lots of psychic
stuff going on. I really think, if I have to
be pressed on it, that I've kind of already lived

(38:44):
the life that I'm living right now, and I've seen
a lot of this stuff play out before. And they
kind of notice that I know that, And I think
they're interested in that. They're interested in the individuals that

(39:07):
pick up on them and remember their experiences. See. I
think a lot more people have had experiences and don't
remember them too, And I think a lot more things
have to do with this experience than people realize, including
a lot of paranormal and supernatural activity. I'm not saying

(39:31):
they're all the same thing. But it's interesting that the
CIA and degates all three things, psychics or psychic phenomena, UFOs,
and the supernatural in general.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
You talked about seeing shadow beings. Now, did they try
to do anything to you at the time, and could
you like describe what you saw how they looked.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
A shadow being is like three dimensionals. It's off the wall,
it's maybe it's a it's an average height of about
five to five five and a half to six feet
somewhere in there. But it is featureless. It's a black,

(40:24):
featureless body. It almost looks like Spider Man without a
mask on, or Spider Man with the black suit on
with no eyes and no face. But it's an apparition
in that you can sort of see the wall through it.

(40:50):
And like I said, the first few times I saw anything,
I instantly had out of body experiences out of But
on one occasion I had one, which was in the
living room of this house that I had just gotten

(41:17):
off the phone with a friend. I nodded off and
was going to bed, and I opened my eyes and
I was still sitting on this couch and I look
over and there's a shadow person just standing there, and
it scared me. But I also heard my dog bark,

(41:39):
and at the time I had a dog and the
dog ran out. So and I mean things like the
air can be different when there's an entity in the room.
The temperature might drop or get higher, or the there
could be a hazy mist that takes over the air,

(42:03):
or at least some kind of weight added to the room.
Is what it feels like to me, like gravity almost
weighs more.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
You also saw white beings and what contact did you
see them? And could you describe what they looked like?

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yes, on two occasions. One once see I sleep in
the After this experience has started, I stopped sleeping in
the bedroom, I started sleeping in the living room. And
the light beings never really did anything to me other

(42:45):
than I would awaken and like maybe I remember once
I awoke to a blue light being like it had
luminescent you could, but it was built sort of like
a urray, but it was glowing and I was laying

(43:10):
in bed. I opened my eyes. It was floating over
the top of me. I said, don't take me anywhere.
It said I won't and then it disappeared. And then
like one of the last times I had an experience

(43:30):
where I was. The last time I saw a light
being was because I was sleeping in the living room.
I opened my eyes and there was like what looked
like a small tornado of light and shadow fighting each
other in the room. It was like a shadow person

(43:55):
and a being of light got in a fight in
my hallway, and just the side of it was like
sent me back to reality, kind of like it wakes

(44:17):
you up and then it's over, like they happen, an
experience starts, it happens, and then it's over. Like it
there's not like an ambience in the air. It is
like waking up from a dream, but it's not a dream.
It's it's something that has an intention.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Do you see the light beings as a form of
angelic Yes?

Speaker 2 (44:49):
I do. I think there are angels. I think there
are devils. I think there are, but I don't know
how much of that is because people believe they exist
and they're they're aggregors of some sort or tulpa's whatever
word you want to use, or if they're a legitimately

(45:16):
they're they're like the high I've heard the researcher Bud
Hopkins talk about hybrids and be asked the question of well,
are these hybrids real, and he's like, well, we don't know.
If they go and live lives and they have these
you know they're real in the moment of the experience,

(45:39):
you know, is it there for the emotional reaction? And
I think there are things that work on that principle.
Maybe not everything, but there are things that work on
the principle of literally scaring the energy out of you,
like a vampire, an energy vampire.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Do you remember while being on the craft ever seeing
symbols or a form of writing.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
I've seen things that look like hygroglyphics, but not necessarily
Egyptian and not or you know, like tablet writing of
some sort. Nothing, nothing that was legible to me.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Coming back to de mantis, did you recall ever seeing
them wearing anything?

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Occasionally they were like maroon or purple, and they can
be pretty tall. They can be astral as well, which
means like you could have an experience on the astral
plane where you're dealing with a seventh foot tall praying mantis,

(47:00):
or you can have one on the ship, or you
can have one like just manifest Like the last time
I saw mantis again was in this house. I I

(47:22):
was in the living room. I went to pull my
blanket over me, and I see a regular sized mantis
first like it's gotten inside somehow, and then as I'm turning,

(47:42):
it gets bigger and it jumps to the other side
and it's a seven foot tall praying mantis. And then
I kind of come out of it and it's gone,
And that was the last time I saw. Like, the
more aware of these experiences I've become, the more they

(48:05):
really have backed off, and the more I the more
I don't give my fear over to them. They tend
not to get what they're after. Even the mantis beings.
I hear reports that they can be good. I hear

(48:26):
reports they can be bad. I hear I hear that
about every type of alien that I've seen. That other
people report everything. But I just know that there's spiritual

(48:47):
aspects to this. They're looking for something. We have something
within us. It's not the other way around. It's not
that trying to make us more like them. It's them
trying to make themselves more like us exactly.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Yeah, coming back to your UFO sidings, how close were
they and what type of craft did you actually see it.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
I've seen at least three different types of craft. The
most recent one was in twenty twelve in terms of
and that was a very I had just got. I
was working third shift at the time. I had just
dropped my son off at my parents' house so I

(49:41):
could go hol and grab something I needed before I
went into work. And I pulled into my driveway and
I jumped out, and I turned and I look, and
there's maybe ten oval lights in a straight line across

(50:09):
the horizon, just over the highway from me. But it
was like, I don't know, it was a few thousand
feet away or a few it was a few miles.
It was probably it was a huge object because it

(50:30):
was black, like I could see the oval lights, and
I could see the shadow that they formed that formed
between the oval lights, and it was like a cigar
shaped black with oval lights. And I was watching it,

(50:54):
and at the time I had a stupid Nokia little phone,
not a smartphone, and I tried to take pictures of it,
but I couldn't even fit this object into one photograph.
I had to run through my house into the backyard

(51:15):
to take more pictures of it. And as I was
taking pictures of it. It was coming closer, not going
further away, and I I vaguely remember it starting to
pass over my head and then I'm standing in my

(51:38):
kitchen and I don't remember walking myself back in, and
I had to go to work that night. I was
looking at my pictures. I had that phone for about
a year after this, and I would show that picture

(52:00):
it was pictures to friends, but we could never figure
out what it was in terms of what the pictures were.
But I know what it was. And the other two
were things I saw when I was younger, in my childhood,
and that was because I believe that at least one

(52:25):
of the groups that would visit me has one type
of craft and another one has another type. I frequently
saw a large black triangle with no real markings or
lights on it. It looked kind of like a rudimentary block,

(52:49):
almost like some not a lot to it. And then
the discs that I've seen are large, probably about the
size of a I don't know, it varies from models model,

(53:15):
I guess, but big, big discs about about the size
of a house. Not bigger than that, but big enough
to I mean, it's just I haven't I don't go

(53:41):
ufo hunting. I don't go seeking out things. But I've
only ever seen them in like strange circumstances like that
where it's just before an abduction or and I mean
it can happen in the broad daylight in suburban America,

(54:02):
or at least it could when I was a kid.
I haven't seen anything in a long time. To be
honest with you, I don't even I'm not even comfortable
outside half the time anymore, because it's like, I feel
like something could happen.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Are you aware if the government or the military started
looking at you being interested in you.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Well, I definitely had a strange experience around the time
I was having these My awakenings started in twenty thirteen,
where I was having these dreams and I was reacting
to them and I was researching, and then I kind

(54:50):
of straight had a strange experience with what looked like
three or four guy as men dressed in what looked
like rest like hazmat suit looking really tight, almost like

(55:12):
scuba gear, but they had respirators and they had goggles on,
and it was definitely an experience where they were checking
me out. And at the moment I thought, is this
just another weird experience. But the more I look back,

(55:36):
they were moving to a human they were at they
were not it was it was in response to what
I was doing, and it was trying to either intimidate
me or I mean, I definitely think I've had that
those types of experiences as well.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Growing up with these experiences, I know it for some
at least, it's very traumatic. But did you ever like
to talk to your mother about these experiences?

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Not when I was a kid, But I have brought
these things up to people. Most of my family know
that I've been through something involving something I don't know.
I mean, my mom, nobody is like one hundred percent
in on it, you know. But I I can't blame

(56:33):
them for that because I'm going through it and I
can't tell you what it really is, and I couldn't have.
I mean, it's only within the last fifteen it's only
within the last fifteen years or so that people have
really taken a notice in the public of this subject

(56:56):
at large, and like it seems like the closer we
get to finding the truth, the more vindicated people will
be in the end. Anyway, So and I do think

(57:19):
we're actually I used to be very pessimistic about any
kind of disclosure. But and I don't know if there
is a way to disclose everything, because I think some
of it has to do with how the universe works
and how life works, and how the fabric of reality

(57:40):
work and things like that. But there are a lot
of things that people need to know about, that we
can know about, that we should know about, that shouldn't
be happening.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Are you aware if your son's been having contact as well.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
He doesn't have any claims whatsoever. He's just he lives
with me right now. In fact, since him and my
son's girlfriend and now they haven't a child ever since
then they moved back in here with me. I've had

(58:23):
fewer experiences. I've had fewer nightmares, I've had fewer problems.
It's definitely isolated to me. It's not the environment. Nobody
else has had a supernatural experience in the house. It's
not a particularly old house.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Let's go back to your mommy and your dad or anything,
your past providence.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Yeah, I have a lot of connection. I think there's
I think it's skipped a generation on both sides or something.
I really I think my grandmother on my dad's site
was trying to talk to me about this at an
early age because we had a lot of talks about

(59:09):
reincarnation and things like that. She had certain psychic she
saw auras and she kind of predicted my son at
an early age or when I was young. She passed
before he was born, but she pretty much predicted that

(59:32):
he was going to be an a duracial child, which
is kind of a strange prediction which came true. And I'll,
like I said, frequently when I was a kid, if
I was in a unique environment, like my grandmother's place
which was states away, or staying at a friend's house,

(59:54):
I would have a strange experience. I do have memories
of strange experiences involving her and other relatives, but I
can't prove any of those experiences, and I don't want
to out anybody. Really.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
A lot of times experiencers tend to have like poultrygeist
stuff or ghost activity within the house. Did you have
a lot of that? Also?

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
I've had a lot of that since I've lived in
this house, and it's always like what I said, I
wouldn like cab the doors opening and closing, faucet coming
on TV, coming on, strange manifestations like shadow people, beings

(01:00:43):
of light. I mean it was really active in one
point in time. I've never done anything. I've never because
I associated with my other experiences. I don't think it
has anything to do with the house itself. It does

(01:01:04):
seem connected to say, if I had when I was
remembering these experiences, if I had a new memory and
I connected a new dot, I would have an experience
and something would react to that, and it just and
I was also having a lot of dejauv vu at

(01:01:25):
the time, I don't know, like not just like momentary
dejauv vu, but a dejau vu that would last for
days or night days and weeks, and that I would
hit a patch where I'd hit a week that I
had seen before for a week or something, and it

(01:01:47):
was a very disturbing feeling. So a lot of my
initial reactions to things have always been fairly negative. I'd
get pretty bad vibes off most things I've encountered. I
think most positive things. Don't try to confuse you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Have you ever seen a reptilian before?

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
No, I have not.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Yeah, you talked about knowing things beforehand, like knowing that
your son was gonna be born. Do you have any
other example of those type of abilities.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Well, I'm not good at what it is that I
have dreams that play out later, and that's very hard
to prove. It's very hard to make it useful. I've
never made a dime off having something come true that

(01:02:43):
I've dreamt about, or making a prediction. I'm pretty good
at an election prediction too. I think I've only missed one,
and that was last time, not this time.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Are you aware if they're trying to protect you. Were
you ever any kind of situation where like you were
in trouble and something out of blue happened and saved you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Well, I can say it. I've never been seriously injured.
I've never other than for non medical emergencies, have I
spent any extended period time in the hospital, or have
I ever really been sick or any of those things.

(01:03:37):
I just but I can't point to a specific moment
that says this was when they were protecting me the most,
or anything like that. I can say I can point
to moments in my life and say, oh, this is
where they said set that trap and I stepped in it.

(01:03:57):
But I can't say that they helped me like things
like getting in that stupid argument with your wife. Well
there's other things going on and you're taking it out
on her, and it's because they're manipulating the situation. They

(01:04:22):
triangulate these things because a lot of I mean, certain
entities will be like attached to you, but then you'll
have a partner who's got entities attached to them, and
those entities won't get along either. So they and these
things are feeding off your negative energy. So you get

(01:04:47):
an argument with your wife and both these demons get
what they're after or whatever they are. I'm just using
the term, but I can point to where it feels
like things were predestined to happen, but they're all personal.

(01:05:14):
Like it's not about even psychic prediction. It's all things
within my own life. I've never tried to discipline myself
to be a professional. It's too much for me to handle.
Sometimes I just don't like it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Did you ever wake up one morning as a kid
you're like your pajamas were inside out?

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Things like that have happened to me. Yes, I've had
Like it's just it a lot of memories of being

(01:06:03):
laying one way when you go to sleep, and then
waking up at the foot of the bed or something
like that, or things in your room being out of place,
like I described that bed that got moved. I mean,
but they don't give you anything that you can prove,
but they give you things that prove it to you,

(01:06:24):
So you are supposed to notice it at some point.
It is happening for some reason, and it does involve
the individual. I do know that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Well, do you know why these experiences are happening to you?

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
As far as I can tell, it's just because I
pick up on it and I kind of understand it
from a certain perspective. And I said, I haven't. I
don't go seeking out new experiences like that, and I
try to focus on being a grandfather. And I know

(01:07:11):
these things happen against your will, but if you take
a stand against it, it does seem just back off.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Yeah, well, Nathan, let's call it a day. Do you
have a perhaps a closing statement or a final story
that you might want to get up.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
I would just say, don't base it on my story,
base it on all the stories you know, base your
opinion on. Don't base don't don't just let my story
be like something that tries to convince you what I'm
saying is true. It's just an example of strange things

(01:07:58):
that happen.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Well, Nathan, thanks for coming on your stories of fascinating one.
You've been through a lot a lot of different type
of stories and a lot of you've been involved with
a lot of different types of factions with which I
find fascinating. Usually some of us only have contact with
one group, but you seem to be also involved with many.
So I hope you get more answers down the road.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
So do I thank you, and to those watching, I
hope you enjoyed today's interview.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
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