Steve Neill: The Visitors Revisited

Welcome Back Everyone and today we have with us Steve Neill. An artist, visual effects creator, and filmmaker with over 48 years of experience in the film and television industry. He shares with us his contacts with the Greys from early childhood until now, some of his family experiences, government and military harassments, and his exciting life working on movies like Star Trek, Ghostbusters, Fright Night and more!! Enjoy!

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Steve Neill's  Biography:
Steve Neill is an artist, visual effects creator, and filmmaker with over 40 years of experience in the film and television industry. In 1971 he interned at the American Zoetrope in San Francisco with Francis Ford Coppola and received much of his filmmaking education there. He moved to Hollywood to pursue his career in 1974. He has since worked on movies such as “Star Trek the Motion Picture,” “Ghost Busters,” “Fright Night” and more. He has appeared as a creature suit actor in many films, commercials and TV shows.
He has also done many of the CGI effects for the History Channel and “The UFO Files”. He has even made art for the X-files.
Steve, is also an experiencer, and the author of the book titled "But Something is There: An Unusual Journey". This book is Steve's journey through a life time of dealing with the unknown. Some call the experience "The Visitors" some call it abduction by aliens. The truth is we don't know what it is, But Something is There.
His book can be purchased here:
AMAZON US:
But Something is There: This is not your Father's Close Encounter
https://www.amazon.com/But-Something-There-Fathers-Encounter/dp/1973911213

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello everyone, and welcome back to another chapter of Experiencer interviews.
And today we've got another amazing guest coming to us
from the US. We have Steve Neil on board today.
Steve Neil as an artist, visual effects creator, and filmmaker
with over forty years of experience in the film and
television industry. In nineteen seventy one, he interned at the

(00:37):
American Soychope in San Francisco with Francis Ford Coppola and
received much of his filmmaking education there. He moved to
Hollywood to pursue his career in nineteen seventy four. He
has since worked on the movies such as Star Trek,
the Motion picture Ghostbusters, Fright Night, and more. He has
appeared as a creature suit actor in many films, commercials,

(01:00):
and TV shows. He has also done many of the
CGI effects for the History Channel and the UFO Files.
He has even made art for the X Files. Steve
is also an experiencer and the author of the book
titled But Something Is There An Unusual Journey. This book
is steve journey through a lifetime of dealing with the unknown.

(01:21):
Some call the experience the visitors, some call it abduction
by aliens. The truth is, we don't know what it is,
but something is there. So Steve, thank you so much
for coming on.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Are You're welcome you thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Now You've had this really amazing life, amazing career, and
Andrew an experiencer on top of that. So looking forward
to nipick your brain with all those. I'm a huge
fan of Star Trek and my favorite, like all time
like horror movie monster movie is Fright Night. So I've

(01:57):
got fond memories on that as well. So let's talk
about your childhood experiences that anything out of the ordinary
happened to you at that time.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Sure. Well, my first very conscious memory, which I never
It's funny, I didn't think much about it, but I
never forgot. It was about nineteen fifty eight and I
was laying in bed. I remember it being three in
the morning. For some reason. In my film there's a
clock next to my bed, and I think there was
a clock next to my bed. And I lived on

(02:32):
the forty seventh Avenue in San Francisco, which is right
near the beach. The playland used to be there, although
it would have been shut down at that time in
the morning, San Francisco was not a quiet place, particularly,
and even at three in the morning there would be
a lot of sound. I woke up to no sound.
And when I say no sound, I mean it was
so quiet I felt I had to gasp because I

(02:54):
wondered if I could even breathe. It felt it was
suffocating that the lack of sound. And I looked around
the room and I saw these little beams of light
coming through my window and they were searching around the room.
And this drew my curiosity and I wasn't really scared,

(03:17):
not right then and there, but I crawled out of bed,
and my plan was to stay against the wall so
I would be in the shadow and they whatever was
shining the light couldn't see me. And I snuck up
to the window and then peeked over the edge, and
that's when I just saw bright lights and they they
in the movie I show a very dark shape there,

(03:39):
which later on in life, including my mother, we saw
it a lot, a big dark circle, but I didn't
really see it, but I did. The lights saw me,
and they moved very quickly like, oh there is you know,
And that did scare me a bit, so I ducked
back down, and I knew something was coming. I mean,

(04:00):
I just don't know how, but I did, probably because
it had happened before, but this was one I was
fully conscious for. So I scurried very quickly along the
floor like a little snake and went and hid under
my desk. And then the lights came in the room.
But then the lights came around, and then the lights

(04:20):
shined on me, and then I was pretty scared because
I didn't know what was going on there and I
saw all I saw was this form and it was spindly,
and you know, it had a large head, and it
moved very close to me because it found me under
the desk, and I blacked out. You know, next morning
I woke up. I was sleeping on the carpet in

(04:45):
front of my parents' bed because previously I had been
scared and going into the bedroom and getting in the
bed with them, and they didn't want me doing that,
and you know, they kept telling me, you know, you
need to go back to your bed and all this,
and I didn't want to k I was scared, so
I would sneak there and I woke up and then
snuck back into my bedroom. So that was something I

(05:11):
never forgot. Years and years went by and other things happened,
but that one really stuck out in my mind. But
I never connected it with the UFOs that I was
always seeing as a child, and as a teenager and
so on. I just didn't make the connection.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
My life at this point had been average for a
boy growing up in the fifties. My parents both worked
and I went to school. It was an only child,
but no brothers or sisters. I had a large bedroom
to myself that looked towards playland in the ocean. My
interests were different than most kids my age, and my
eyes on the stars. I loved astronomy, art, science, and music.

(06:04):
I still joked today that my first football was a telescope.
I always wondered when I looked up at the night sky,
what was out there.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
This night?

Speaker 3 (06:16):
I would find out.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
Mm hm h uh uh uh eating uh uh uh

(07:56):
uh uh.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
The next thing I knew, it was morning. I felt
panicked remembering what had happened, but beyond the point of
that creature's face, I couldn't remember anything else, not even
how I got on the rug. Could remember that I
was so scared that night that sometimes I would sneak

(08:50):
in to sleep on the bed with my parents. I
was afraid of the lightning people, at least that's what
I remember my mother telling me. That's what I call them.
She told me I was just having nightmares that big
boys didn't sleep with their parents, So when I was
so scared, I would sneak in and sleep on the rug.
I know today what was happening to me then, But

(09:14):
when I was so young, this was all new. It
was hard to know what was real. Were these beings?
My heart told me it was real.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Now did they say anything to you when they came
to when they came into your bedroom.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
We're not going to hurt you. They didn't want me
to be afraid. That was it.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
That was it?

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Still?

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah, Now did you grow up like having the sort
of fear of the dark, fear of the closet under.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
The no I was attracted to it because I was
fascinated by the unknown. So yeah, there was an exhilaration.
I guess you could call it a sort of fear,
But you know, I felt a kinship to whatever it
was that was in the dark for me, So I

(10:07):
don't know how to put it into terms better than that.
So I would spend a lot of time out in
the backyard just staring at the stars. Eventually my parents
got me a telescope. I spent all my time with
that at night, and so I wasn't really afraid. I
was cautious. I was, you know, if I felt fear,

(10:28):
I would kind of walk forward into it. And I've
always been that way all my life, as I tend
to want to face my fears, and then I find
it almost intoxicating because once you get past that fear,
there's something incredible and expansive on the other side of it.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Now, did you ever wake up outside?

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yes? I have, yes, And one time I was standing
on the balcony outside the porch of my house in Pacifica, California.
When I came to I was in a pair of
underpants and a T shirt, and I was looking at

(11:12):
a UFO that was sort of hat shaped, saucer shaped
up by the Nike base which was just above our
house on the hill there. One of the episodes that
I did in our series Breaking the Silence covers that
whole incident, and I replicated exactly how it appeared to
me when I saw it. Now, the weird thing about

(11:33):
it was is that I had a friend standing spending
the night over, and he was sleeping on the floor
in my room, and I went to get him because
we used to go out on his roof and sit
with binoculars and look for UFOs all the time, and
we were both very interested in him, and I tried
to get him outside. I did by praticalley. I had
a drag him. He was like drugged or something, and

(11:53):
they got him out there and he looked at it
and went, oh, yeah, I'll look at that, and the
next thing I knew he was gone, and then I
went back in. Then my mom woke up and started
kind of yelling at me, what are you doing up?
You know, it's three in the morning, and I got
to get up and go to work tomorrow. And I
said there was a UFO outside. Mom. He says, there's
no UFOs, just go to bed. Of course, the next morning,

(12:14):
I'm sitting there at the breakfast table and she came
in with the local newspaper and threw the paper down
and said, well, that UFO you said you saw last night,
it's in the newspaper. So other people had seen it too,
and it was up by the Nike base and I
used to play up there all the time. You couldn't
get into the Nike base fit past defences, but there
was old installation military installations there that were chained up

(12:37):
from World War Two, and it was an underground bunker
and it went down really deep, and we used to
get inside and go in there. I mean, I just
the adventurous part of me would get past my fear
to go into dark tunnels and things. It's just because
I wanted to know it was there.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
You talked about seeing lights as a kid. Now you
did share a story about your mom. I believe your
mother and your grandmother also seeing Yeah, well would that
be that same incident be related?

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yes, well that was the episode my Mother's Secret, and
I'll never forget. We didn't talk. We really didn't get along.
We never did, and you know, especially after my dad
died when I was fourteen. He got killed in a
car accident. It was a stupid one at that it
wasn't his fault. He was hit by a drunk driver.

(13:33):
But then we never got along, and so we didn't
talk much. After I came to Hollywood. She really didn't.
She was against me coming here. She wanted me to
get married and have grandchildren. Instead, I pursued what she
thought was a ridiculous career I could never succeed at
in Hollywood, and I did, but she never believed that
I did. So eighteen years later we started talking again

(13:56):
and the first thing she told me was, saw that
movie you said you worked on. I said what movie?
You said, Ghostbusters? And I said, oh, that was her
way of telling me. Now she believes me, you know.
And then she said, but I seen you on television
a bunch with that Whitley Streever, that author. And I went, oh, boy,

(14:16):
here we go. Because you know, she was highly intelligent.
The whole family was very intelligent, lots of artists and
scientists and people that worked on projects like the A
bomb and everything else. And so I figured I was
going to get that Neil Tyson sort of attitude, and
I got exactly the reverse. When I said, oh, okay, mom,

(14:38):
well you know what she says, No, no, no, no,
it's not what you think. So what do you mean?
I believe you? And so this was like, really got
my attention. You believe me? He said, yes. Then she
started telling me things she's experienced, but that one that
she described sitting on the porch with my grandmother, because
towards the end of my grandmother's life she moved in

(14:59):
with my mother and they saw this black shape going
across in front of the stars. She said it was round.
She could tell it was round, but tell me she
could see it is because where she lived us out
in the country. So there was a milky way and
you could see it very clearly outlined by the stars.
And as it got closer, lights started to peer from

(15:20):
the center of it, and then they started actually those
lights turned on them sitting in the porch, and they
kept coming closer. So she backed into the house with
my grandmother and the lights continued to follow. I guess
it got really close and it was outside there shining
them into the windows, just like what happened to me.
And I said, so, what happened next? Then there was

(15:42):
this big silence, I said, Mom, she goes, you know,
I don't remember, and then that's when she said maybe
I should go and have hypnosis. So I don't think
that was the only incident. We didn't get to talk
much more to that because she didn't live that much longer,
but that was her way of telling me that basically,

(16:05):
the stuff had been going on in the family, and
she was She was probably hoping it wouldn't affect me,
but it did. And I had never talked to her
about it. A couple of times and she got mad.
But on my father's side, my grandfather over there, he
had nothing but paramormal, normal experiences all through his childhood

(16:27):
and his life. And in fact, I saw a ghost
with him when I was out walking with him. I
must have been eight nine years old. That's in the
movie too. I actually the ghost isn't in it, but
the big orange ball that covered over is that that
was in there. My grandmother was a complete skeptic, and
she used to make fun of him, antagonize him, you know.
And I remember him saying, oh, he believes in all

(16:49):
these things. He believes in leprechauns and the banshee. And
he says, I never said leprechauns. I said I saw
little people, as you know. And I know there's a
difference between little people and leprechauns, or is there, because
as the great Jacques Vallet, it's talked about. Back in
those days, people would have called them leprechauns because they

(17:11):
didn't have anything else to compare them. To and they
didn't have that consciousness of going into space, so they
were fairy face. So there was lots of that on
his side, and he did talk to me about it.
That is in the movie he talks about the being
he saw on the corner of the church churchyard, so

(17:31):
it was clear.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, Well, on my side of the family, we had
a lot of ghosts stuff, a lot of ghost stories
within the family. My uncles had stuff. I got really
amazing stories to show, but I never had any like
A I couldn't. We had no et stuff within the family.
So the closest we thought we had to anything like

(17:57):
you two related was our love for Star Trek and yeah,
I've got a United Federation of Planets had to on
my shoulder, So that's how. Yeah, I don't love the
newer Teck.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
But I have mister Spock's ears on my wall in here, Yeah,
the ones I actually made for him for the first movie.
So plus the Enterprise. There's a big model of the
Enterprise behind me. I built. It's six feet long, and
the Captain's chair and so I know what you mean.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
That's beautiful. Now, coming back to your story as a kid,
did they come to you a lot.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
I'm going to use the word I think they did,
because I did. I do have lots of memories. I mean,
I remember going with my dad up to Chico and
we met one of his racing buddies there, and I
can't remember his name, I can still see him. He
was this really neat guy and he had this beautiful
race car because my dad raced and I was around
racing cars all my life. And his friend's son was there,

(18:57):
and I spent the night in his room, and that
was the night that this big orange ball appeared in
the window and there was like this lightning sort of
energy coming off of it, and I remember the little boy,
his little boy being terrified, and I was going towards it,
and that's the last thing I remember. But there's lots

(19:18):
of incidences like that. Through high school, there was stuff.
But when it really started up a lot again is
when I came down here, and probably around seventy seven,

(19:38):
right in there, seventy eight, just after Close Encounters came out,
which is perfect for the skeptics. You know, it's oh way,
you saw that movie, and of course that's why you
were seeing UFOs flying over neighborhoods and all your neighbors
were seeing it too, because you were projecting that from
seeing the movie. So there was a lot of stuff
going on back then. I had friends all around me

(20:00):
seeing them with me. I had friends saying there was
something over over your house and it was hovering, and
they were banging on the door to come in and
go out and then be gone, you know, But that
there were I mean, one night, I was in my
apartment to look a lake. And this is when I'm
working in the film business quite heavily. At that point,
I was involved with my own motion picture. It was

(20:23):
a feature film called The Daytime ended horrible title. And
I had a friend over and he brought two girls
over for us to go out on a date with.
And I was in the bedroom of my apartment. This
isn't tu Luca Lake, which is you know, right in
the right right in the valley, right near Universal Studios,

(20:44):
and I get this. I hear this voice say, go
to the window. You'll see something really amazing. I thought,
that's odd, Okay, I'll go to the window. So I
go to the window and I see this UFO outside
the window, and it was anything really spectacular. It was
just a very bright light and it was hovering, but

(21:04):
it was moving kind of oddly, and I said, okay,
So I went out of the bedroom and I went
and I got to two girls and I got my
friend Ricky. I took them to the kitchen, which had
a really good view of sky, and I said, watch this.
I want to go outside and hear if it's making
any noise, it might be a helicopter hovering or something
like that. But there were no nave lights, no anti

(21:25):
collision lights, and it was the light configuration was not
like any airplane. And I've always been in aviation buff
so I know my aircraft. So they watched it, and
they were a little nervous because it was moving oddly.
And I went outside and by the time I got outside,
it was gone. So I go back up there and
so what happened? And they were both, all three of them,

(21:48):
they were white as a ghost. And they told me
what happened about how it got really bright and it
broke into two pieces, turned red and shot up into
the sky and spared, and they'd never seen anything like
that in their life, and they weren't really that familiar
with it. They knew about close encounters, but you know,
beyond that, they did never see anything but there with me,

(22:08):
so they got to see something. And so the entire
night was kind of ruined because you know, the girls
were afraid and and just the whole evening was so strange.
And it was about two in the morning, and they
came back to the apartment breaking and the girls went home,
and I'm just standing at the kitchen window and I'm

(22:29):
looking out that window again and all yawn. All of
a sudden, the sky lit up like daylight. It was
the most brightest arc weldered blue white light I'd ever seen.
It lit up the whole kitchen. It was completely silent,
and after it finished it kind of faded down. The

(22:51):
courtyard had all neon lights in it. They all started
to flicker, the neon lights in the kitchen and the kitchen.
Over the kitchen they started to I'm on and flicker
and they glowed for a while and they faded out
because they were all off. So that was a huge
static electricity discharge. Whatever that was, I never found out
what it was, but I feel strongly it was related

(23:13):
to what we saw that night. And then it just
kept going from there. Another friend came over my place.
He was at a restaurant. All the lights started going
off and on all the car alarms and went off,
and in the parking lots everybody went out there and
there was a UFO there. This was all in the

(23:33):
few books from my house. These two girls I knew
I used to date. They came over banging on the
door because they followed up Dark Circle UFO just after
round dusk through a neighborhood just adjacent to me, and
they were getting out of their car trying to get
people look at it, and they wouldn't look at it,

(23:54):
or they'd look at it and say, oh, they said
they were like they were in some weird state. He
couldn't get them, And so they followed it till it
got to my apartment and then it disappeared, and they
were frantic, and you know, we were supposed to go
out and have a good time and party hardy and
all that, and all they wanted to do was stay
up and talk about what they saw. So this kind

(24:16):
of thing followed me around a great deal, uh, in
the seventies. So after I got to high school and
went to Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Now did your you love for the horror genre or
like and the sci fi was that was there experiences
like a contributing factor to why you went into that industry?

Speaker 2 (24:40):
And may I have been. I mean, you know, my
dad's favorite movie was God, I'm drying a blank on it,
the one with this guy in it, Robbie the Rope.
But I'm drawing it a forbidden forbidden planet. Thank you,
thank you bringing the hard drives. I'm seventy two now, Yeah,

(25:03):
that was his favorite film. And you know, I don't
know what he thought of Star Trek because he passed
away in nineteen sixty six. He may not have got
to see it, but he probably would have liked it.
And another one of his favorite films Wasn't There There's
Still We watched The Twilight Zone religiously. Again, as frightening

(25:25):
as Twilight Zone was, I couldn't stop watching it because
I really felt that the subject matter was covering. I
had a kinship too, that I was somehow connected to
it very strongly. So yeah, I think that because I
was involved and knew it from my first conscious memories

(25:47):
or feelings of being in a conscious entity myself, that
I was attracted to those things because I was part
of those things. So and yes, that's why I wanted
to go into that field of work so amazing.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Like, growing up here in Northern Canada, we didn't know
anything about a tea so like I had three channels,
black and white TV and the Yeah, one thing we
knew really when it came to like what was what
a gray looked like? Was like the Roswell documentary. So
we didn't know anything about ET. So growing up as

(26:25):
a kid, I didn't really put that off as ET
related because I thought I could, Oh, it's probably spirit
or because I had I had a huge fear of
the dark, and I would tell my mom that there
were people in my bedroom at night. And this happened
for at least a good year year and a half
every night, and I was so afraid knowing that they

(26:47):
were there. I'd sleep with my entire belly against the
wall and I slept like that up until the age
of eleven. Roughly I felt protected because I knew that
I didn't want to look behind me. Now, it's okay,
So you grew up in a family of experiencers sort
of sort of like you.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah, I don't think they were all talking about it, so, yeah,
I just don't.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Now since we talked about Star Trek. How did you
get involved with Jean and the and the company.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Well, it's just I came to Hollywood. I met Rick Baker,
I met some other makeup artists, became friends with them.
They started giving me a little bits and pieces of work,
and I started sort of turning down stuff saying, you know,
I go a guy can do it, which led to
a lot of work. But somewhere along the line I
met Fred B. Phillips and he is the makeup artist

(27:46):
from The Hour Limits and from the original Star Trek series.
He was this really wonderful guy. Everybody loved Fred, and
I got this job. I was working at Disney and
the head of the makeup department over there, Bob Shiffer,

(28:07):
another very famous old makeup artist. He got asked to
do because he did the original Shaggy Dog. So he
got asked to do a TV show that was like that.
It was called Mister McDuff, which was about a guy
that turned into a Shaggy Dog, and it was a
morning kids show. It was fun, but they wanted that

(28:31):
makeup exactly, and so Bob said, I can't do it
because I'm under contract to Disney. So he says I'm
going to give you this job. But he told me
how he did the makeup. He told me what stuff
he worked with and everything, and that helped me recreate
it exactly. I had pictures of myself putting that makeup on,

(28:51):
but I couldn't do it on the set because I
wasn't union yet. And so I knew Fred we'd become friends,
and I and I had to pick someone. I knew
I want to make sure they put the makeup on right.
So I called Fred and I got him the job
doing a TV show for a while. He was much
older by this point, so he was very grateful to
get to work. So it makes the long story really short.

(29:14):
I'm working on my own movie and I got funded
and I had some big stars and at Doroth Maloon,
Jim Davis. It was my first film that I wrote
and produced. I was doing the effects on but I
got phone call one day from Fred Phillips, is you
want to work on Star Trek? And I thought he
was joking, you know, because Star Trek had been long gone.

(29:35):
And he said, no, no, we're making a movie. It's
the first motion picture. Do you want to work on it?
And I went, how am I going to do that
if I'm doing this, Yes, I didn't think I did both.
And I damn't killed myself. But I worked on that
film in fact that I gave myself very sick, which
is why I'm not in that big wreck room scene
in the film where you see all the crew. Those

(29:56):
are all people that worked on the show in there
as extras. And I had my chance to be in
uniform be there, and I was too sick from working
so hard on it. So that was a shame. But
I got to know Gene Ronberry though before that I
met him. They used to go to the Star Trek
conventions and because I had worked on they plan eight
TV shows. They invite me as a guest and I

(30:19):
do makeup demonstrations and I made vulcaneers and they used
to sell them foam latex and put them on people
and stuff. So Jean and his wife, Majel came over
and talked to me and we got to be friends.
So between Fred and between meeting Jane, and that was amazing.
He was so approachable, he was just such a nice
guy that both of them, I had to know him.

(30:41):
So when the movie happened, they asked if I wanted
to work on it. I was one of many people
working on it, but it was you know, the first
job I got was to do when in Nyemoy's ears,
and he was always my favorite character in Star Trek.
You know, I was sixteen years old. Mister Spock is
who I wanted to be. You know, here I am
doing his ears. So that's that's the short story.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
That's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, So I did, I did. I did, worked on
the pilot with Gene for the next generation, and then
I worked on Star Trek six, went with the Cleons.
I did a lot of Klingons for that. So so
I'm very, very proud to be able to do that.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Let's get back to your your story with the the Ets.
I believe you eventually got abducted. Is that possible me? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, yeah, I had been since I was little. I mean,
but you know, do.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
You recall being on a craft?

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Not until well, I had a sense of it, you know,
and I couldn't separate it from dreams, to be honest,
you know, but I did. And it wasn't until much
later on that after a bed communion and I sort
of said, oh geez, and then I met Himond Smith,
and I was doing artwork for her, and I asked

(32:12):
her if we could do some sessions, and she did,
and the sessions that we were the first time we
did was the one I described in San Francisco as
a little boy, and I couldn't get past blacking out.
No matter what we did, I never got any further.
I got at a little better look at him, and
I realized that the grays were something I was seeing

(32:34):
at that age. But we didn't get much further. It
was the stuff that had happened more recently during the
eighties and nineties, because during the eighties there there were
some doozies, and we went back and looked at that
and got a better look at it. And then of
course all through the nineties it was happening every week,

(32:57):
sometime three days in a row, and I could remember
most of it. And I came face to face with
a gray in my kitchen, wide awake one evening. So yeah,
and I mean there were You probably saw the one
that most people avoided watching, and that was transcript five

(33:17):
five one, which was a transcript of one of the
hypnotic sessions that A. Vaughn did that was on tape
where I was taken and was with in some sort
of human or military medical facility with grays and they
were doing surgery on my skull, on my brain. I

(33:43):
remembered most of that and and but the hypnosis brought
out a little bit more so I started remembering. I'd
wake up and I'd have a memory of what happened
during the night, nothing dream like about it at all.
And I had physical marks all over me. And you know,
that particular time, I had a hole, a small, very

(34:04):
fine hole that was drilled into my forehead and I
couldn't go to the doctor and I had to kind
of keep it from my wife at the time. And
the only doctor I knew I could trust was Roger Lair.
So I went and had him look at it, and
he says, yeah, you got a hole in your head,
and we had a good laugh, and you know, but no,
I really did. And I said, what do we do?

(34:25):
You know, because I mean, I got a hole through
my skin, through the skull into my brain. This could
be dangerous. And he said, it's okay. It's a little
bit of fluid coming out. He put a bandage on
it and said, basically, you just have to let it heal.
I said, yeah, I can't go to anybody for this
because the first thing they're going to say is, how
did you get a hole in your head like this?
I mean it was the thickness of a fine pin,

(34:48):
but it was there. And so if I had to
tell him, well, you ever heard of alien induction? I
think I was abducted and they did brain surge, they
would a lot me up. They would have thought you
did it to yourself somehow. This guy's crazy. He stuck
a pin in his head and through his skull somehow,
because that's how they think. They think inside the box,

(35:09):
not outside, you know.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
So, wow, do you remember the moments prior to that operation?

Speaker 4 (35:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:20):
I remember the house. I remember that there was something
going on in the house and then I couldn't move
very well and there were people standing over me and
it was the grace and they lifted me through the ceiling.
I mean, it's just classic, and just they they went.
We just went up like there was no grap force
of gravity on us at all. I remember seeing the

(35:40):
top of the roof. I remember the tree going by
me as we went up, and you know, the ship
or whatever you want to call it, it was unlit. It
was circular. There was a light coming from it, and
like a little doorway kind of thing. Now, for all
I know that that round circle is a hole you know,
through space time, you know. But we stink it's because

(36:00):
it's got a shape to it, there's lights on it. Well,
it could be that that's actually just a hole between
this world and another. I don't know, it's it's just
speculation on my point. But I have to consider all
things because I don't really know when it comes down
to it. I can't only tell you what I remember.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
I had a black hole appeared to me in the
bedroom six well five and a half maybe perhaps inches long,
maybe like three and a half four inches wide black
during the night, I woke up in this sort of
I thought it was a disc at first, due it
was maybe two feet away from my face in the

(36:41):
bedroom doorway, exactly in the bedroom doorway. And long story short,
my fiance the time wakes up after I switch on
the light, and she wakes up and a man was
telling her EMP NonStop electromagnetic pulse. So she doesn't wake
up because of me, she wakes up because of the
man telling her the message. So we knew like both

(37:02):
events were correlated. Let's say there was the reason why
we were these events were happening. So we fall back asleep,
maybe like half an hour later, and I get the
feeling there's movement coming in from the door where the
portal was the black hole. I black out again. This
time I'm waking up and facing her, and I'm super
drugged up, and I'm able to look around in the

(37:27):
bedroom because there was enough flight coming in from outside
from the moon and the light posts and all that,
and I'm seeing it in front of the bed, on
her side of the bed, like these six six feet
tall shadow beings broad shoulder, really broad shoulder, and there
were they had these these huge helmets on their head.
They were blacker than the night, but I could see

(37:47):
through them. And my closets are about six feet tall.
They close the doors, and I'm six feet tall, so
I knew that. That's why I'm able to say six
feet roughly. And so I'm still like super drugged up,
not really afraid because I'm like all relaxed, and I'm
able to raise a hand with some effort, and as
soon as I do that to say hi, I black out.

(38:09):
I wake up. God knows when after that I feel
I'm standing because I'm looking downwards towards my feet. I'm
barefoot and I'm wearing hospital robes, and then I black
out again and I wake up the next morning in my.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Bed trying to know what to make of it. I mean,
I mean, you got to realize there's some level of
technology that's so sophisticated to us, but just nothing to them. Oh,
I'll just make a black I'll take a hole from
here to there, and we're going to go visit yawn.
And we got things to do with the fact that's

(38:43):
just part of it, and we make so much out
of it. But to them, it's just something they have
to do or they need to do, or there's a
very good purpose behind it. And people always say, well,
why would they pick on me? I mean who am I? Well,
who is anybody? We're ascension? Yeah, life form and somehow
they've been with us since we've been born, and it's

(39:06):
it's for many people. It's not just a graze. It's
different sentient beings as well, non human forms. I've only
experienced that I were of the grays and one time
a reptile reptilian.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
So what age did the reptili came to that was that.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, that was during the nineties, so I was my forties,
early forties, and I was very brief and I did
a drawing of it that got around because it wasn't
like the usual stuff you see, this big muscly guy
with big jaw and all that stuff. It was very
humanoid and very wrinkled and very old looking and and
but it had scales, and it very fine scales, and

(39:50):
it was, you know, it was very evolved. Had no
clothes on because I remember when I tried to get
off the table to move because it was kind of
an nerving sitting next to this thing, and it put
its leg or wrapped its leg around my leg and
my leg had no I had no pants on, and
I could feel its skin. And I heard it say
to me, where do you think you're going? You're not

(40:12):
going anywhere. It actually that's what I heard. It was like,
oh my god. And then I don't know what happened
after that, but I remember that clearly. Is if I
just like right now, you know, but that was it,
you know, I never I have seen humanoids during my

(40:33):
adolescents and teenage years. Of this one woman I used
to visit all the time. I would go to sleep
at night and I'd wake up in this white room
with this very attractive, very odd, but attractive looking humanoid woman. So,
so what happened, I'm not sure, but I think we

(40:54):
had some sort of intimate interaction, and I think that
that there was a purpose behind that, and that was
to create something else.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
So okay, So were you ever shown hybrid children?

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah, I did a drawing of the one. I've seen
the ones in the tanks, you know, uh, And I
did several illustrations of that. But I've also was shown
at one time this child that I knew the mother
who the mother was, because she was in her support group,
and it had her look, her likeness in the eyes

(41:27):
and the color of the hair which was red, and
it had her blue eyes, and it was supposed to
be my child. So and when they showed it to me,
it was already I guess, around five years old, right
around in there. So I did a drawing.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
It is that the one that you and there you're
in one of your movies. Were you grays holding it
like a small child?

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Is not the one? No, it's actually a gray is
standing next to it and it's got its head up again.
It's head and its arm around it. Okay, it's color.
It's an illustration. Yeah, fascinating.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
So now let me see, So when did your late
wife get through the book Communion, because that really sort
of changed her life.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Yeah, I'm sure surprised she brought that home, But at
the time she knew I had an interest in UFOs
and she knew I had seen UFOs and she was
okay with that. But when she brought the book home
and I read the book, I think it's something she
regretted afterwards, because I realized immediately I flashed on that

(42:41):
night when I was a little boy and the lights
coming in the room and all that, and just if
that's all I had, that was enough. I knew I
was involved, that I wasn't just seeing lights in the
sky and having seen UFOs all the time, and having
friends with me who saw them, and and I mean
there was astronomy parties. I went on where the person
I was with two weeks later had no memory of

(43:02):
what happened because we had a UFO come write down
where we were and all that, and so that all
came together connected all the dots and what was it
like three years later, and Whitley called up one night
out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
So, oh, did he get a hold of your number?

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Well, he got all of my number from a friend
of mine. I don't I don't think I can share
his name. I don't know how he feels about this
stuff today. But he is an experiencer. But he also
is involved in the comic book industry. And I was
very very good writer of comics, very big comics, and
he had these experiences which has really influenced his writing.
And I guess he contacted Whitley and because Whitley and

(43:47):
both he and Whitley wanted an artist to do some
covers for the comic books. It was called Beyond Communion.
And so Whitley got my number that way, and he
called me up one night. But I thought somebody was
playing a joke on me, because he says, he says,
is this Steve Neil? I said, yes, it is. This

(44:08):
is Whitley Streamer, And I started laughing at him. I said, oh,
come on, who is this? Oh man? I laughed because
he can be real grumpy and then but he's got
a great sensure, so he doesn't remember that. He says
you remember everything. I said, Yeah, I have one of
those memories.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
So so you didn't get involved with uh with Whitley
later on because of your talent with drawing.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, but we also just became friends. We really liked
talking on the phone, and we've talked for hours about
this subject. And then you know, I went on. I
went to some conferences with him, and sometimes we would
go up in one car with Ann and she'd may
be asleep in the back. And we spent a lot

(44:58):
of time together. And we also so did a few
TV shows together where we peered together. One of them
was the what was that Call? It was the Alien Interview,
the Area fifty one tape that was smuggled out, and
others and enough that that caught my mother's interest in

(45:19):
a lot of other people, both bad and good, you know.
But we just became friends, and to this day we
talked whenever we can, and we text each other back
and forth, and we share information, and whenever he needs help,
I help him, and whenever, you know, like when my
wife was dying, he was right there for me the
whole time. He's been very, very very good friend multi years.

(45:45):
So I've done a couple of his book covers. The
one most recently is The Afterlife Revolution, so it's one
of my book covers. So, and I've done other art
for him, and I've helped him with some of his video,
and I've analyzed uh footage for him, and so you know,
we worked together. So basically we're just friends and we

(46:08):
just enjoy each other's company. So, which is nice.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
So are you aware if you if you've ever had
implants in you?

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yes? Yeah, the one I'm really sure that's an implant
and not some kind of cist or something is the
one that's in my ear. So and most recently, I
was told told point blank by the same whitish female,
very feminine gray that's been with me evidently all the

(46:39):
way back to the beginning. She told me that that
was a part of her. It was a piece of her,
which which probably when it gets out, we'll have people
kicking my door down wanting to dissect me. But evidently
that's what it is. So it's not it's not metal.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
But is that her way to communicate with you or
like a link?

Speaker 2 (47:05):
That would be a guess, but I would think probably
it is.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
I mean, you know, I've just above my knee cap
my left knee cap and I went to a conference
that we did a sort of a scan with a
like a stud detector, right, and I wasn't metal. But
I've had that since as long as I can remember. Like,
imagine when you're like three years old, nobody here whatsoever,
small like baby skin everywhere, and you got this big

(47:33):
thing that doesn't look like a brown spot. And to me,
I thought it was a rock underneath the skin, which
is crazy because if it were a rock, the body
would reject it and try to push it out.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
That's true, it's not. It's surrounded with your own human nerves, tissue,
with your cellar tissue. And when Roger Lair was removing
the implants from people and I was there with Whitley
watching this happen many times, one of the things that
Roger found was that there were human nerve cells growing

(48:04):
out of the middle the meteoric metal, and so this
would tend to keep the body from rejecting if it
recognized its own tissue. Very smart, But whatever this is,
I don't think it's metal. If it is, it's surrounded
by some kind of biological tissue. But she claims it's hers,

(48:25):
her tissue. It's part of her.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
If you put pressure on it, do you feel something?

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Oh? Yeah, And it hurts when I talk about it,
and it hurts when I'm around other people that have
these experiences. And it gets very hot, and it does
move because when what they tried to feel it, it moved.
It wasn't there. And then when we were driving back
home it was back again. I could feel it and
it was back again. So it was you know, they

(48:54):
have a sense of humor too, I think, but yeah,
that's there, and I have other ones in my body
that maybe, but I'm not really sure about him. I mean,
Roger x rayed my arm where one of them was
or is still, And the most interesting part about that

(49:14):
x ray was that it showed that my arm had
been sawed through at a forty five degree angle, perfectly,
just at an angle like that, not a break. But
the the guy that took the x ray, Roger, had
to take the x ray after Roger left, and he

(49:34):
had to go somewhere and he put the X ray
up and said, well, we don't see much here. He
could see this little thing, he said, but what happened
to your arm? This must have hurt like hell, I said,
what And he says that that's a break. Well, it
wasn't a break, it was a cut, but he called
it a break because he didn't know what else it
could be. He said, no, that had hurt like hell,
you must have been a terrible pain. And I said,

(49:56):
I'm sorry, but I really don't know what you're talking about,
because I've never broken a bone in my life. That
mad at me, and so I I because he thought
I was lying to him and I wasn't telling him
the truth. So I left and I had this sports
car that had a T top on it and I
could see through it. And then I got in the
parking lot and the light the light went out. I'm

(50:17):
driving down the street, all the lights are going out.
I get on the freeway and banks lights are going
out all the way home. So something was going on
there that night.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Are you aware if you were ever followed while driving
by a UFO?

Speaker 2 (50:35):
No? But I bet I have. You know, I wasn't
looking for it. Maybe there was one near me and
that's what was causing the light to go out. I'm
not sure, but they maybe they knew I was looking
at something. They just ye was there a way of
letting me know that you know what you found out,
and yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Can you tell me if you've like, are you psychic?
Do you have sort of abilities? You know, you know
things before they happen.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Sometimes? Yeah, it usually happens in a dream. I'll dream
something and it will happen exactly. The other thing that
I have is that I unknowingly went into an old
house that had been converted into a store up here
in Carpenteria. I think it was during the Avocado festival,

(51:26):
and we were with friends and I went in there
and immediately everything started to tilt. It just felt like
the whole place was leaning over, and I felt this oppression.
I felt kind of smothered. And then I heard this.
I heard this woman's voice, and it still gets to

(51:46):
my emotions to this day, because she was young, she
was lost, and she knew I could sense her. And
she's said, all these people around me all the time
and they don't even know I'm here, and I don't
know what's going on, and can you help me? But
obviously I think she was a spirit that was trapped,

(52:07):
that she died there many many years ago and was
still there, and it was so sad and was so
oppressive and I couldn't do anything, and I felt terrible,
and my people I was with were looking at me
funny because I knew something was going on. I just
had to get out of there. And then I since
since then realized that if I go into a building

(52:29):
where that that's there, I sense it and they sensed me.
So that's that's a hard one.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
She was dead, but she didn't know it.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
I think, you know that's definitely the case. It was
very sad.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
You've shared a story regarding I think your dead girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Yeah, Judy, Yeah, sure, yeah. She and she was twenty
four years old. I was a couple of years older
than her, and actually I was twenty eight, so I
was four years older than her. And and she, I mean,
there was nothing wrong with her, this young, beautiful girl.

(53:14):
And she spent the night at her friend's house. And
make a long story short, because I know the kids
will be back soon, I had to go. I had
to go to a premiere of a movie called Battle
Beyond the Stars. It was a Roger Corman movie. I
did a lot of alien makeups for her and it

(53:36):
was early morning, it was probably around six, and I
had this profound dream and I was floating in the
clouds and there's all this colored light moving through it,
and I could hear his ambient music. It couldn't have
been more cliche, if the situation, if this dream could

(53:56):
be And I went, what the hell? Then I'm floating
and out comes Judy. She's topless, wearing a pair of underwear,
and she comes floating over to me. She grabs me,
she hugs me, she tells me all that she loves me.
She told me that she had to go, that she
was fine, and that I was right because we used

(54:16):
to have conversations about life after deaths. She'd never believed
in that stuff or UFOs or aliens or any of
that stuff. And she said, I had to tell you
that you were right and close that door. While I
still can't. They're back and she told me I was right,

(54:41):
and she even said in those aliens, you were right
about them too. I'll never forget it. And then she
left me, disappeared back into the fog, and I woke up, like,
what was that supposed to be about? And I don't know.
I got to go. It was time. I had to
get down to Santa Monica, go to the theater and
see the movie. It wasn't until later I got Homevalley's

(55:02):
messages on the phone that she had died during the night.
I guess she had a brain anemorism, and they tried
to resuscitate her when they found her. I found out
later on that she was topless, just in her underwear
on the floor and they tried to they couldn't. And
I mean, so I had no way of knowing that
she was found that way. So that had to be real.

(55:24):
It absolutely had to be real. And I mean that's
just you know, people will say, well, you know that,
that's what the skeptics will say. But I know in
my heart absolutely if I know anything, that was absolutely real.
She actually made the effort to come see me before
she left. That happened. Happened to my mom too, and

(55:45):
lots of people in my family. It runs in the family.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Yeah, so you do have a gift regarding that, So
I guess.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
So, I guess.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
So, you know, I believe you were harassed, perhaps by
the military and in.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Black Yeah, I had a lot of that phone tap
to threats from the CIA NSA. I actually had in
muphon meetings in the dark. The CIA agent walk up
to me more once, very chrismatic, older gentleman and showed me
is in the dark. He showed me, you know, his credentials,

(56:23):
but I couldn't make him out that well though they
were showing slides and it lit up pretty well and
I could see, you know, he did have an ID
as a CIA agent. And I remember Whitley saying that
he knew who that guy was because there was a
picture of him with a bunch of UPON people. I said,
that's the guy, and he said, yeah, that's so. And
so I'm not to ask him about that again because

(56:43):
it's been a long time. But you know, they're hitting
the bushes at night. Friends that didn't know anything about
my experiences would come over to visit me, and there'd
be somebody in the bushes wearing a white shirt and
tie with an ID badge, and they'd run out of
the bushes and jump into a black car and drive off.
I've had people sitting outside the house waiting for people
who were working for me at the time to get

(57:05):
their paychecks. And while she was sitting there, she looked
up and saw a dark diss hovering over the house.
And to that time she thought that her boyfriend and
myself were both crazy until she saw that and she
came running in the house. My wife was harassed. I
had black helicopters. I had also marked helicopters that were

(57:28):
rented because they got their in numbers and they wouldn't
tell us who rented them, and I got lots of
pictures of them, and I had my mail held. I
had my mail sent back with checks in them for
people buying my bus. Even Chris Carter of x files,
who created x files, had bought my bus. But some
people their checks came back and THEND no such a dress.

(57:51):
And it happened a number of times, and I found
out about it, and all our mail was being held
back at the office, and my wife went to check
on it and kind of got an argument with the
postmaster there and said, I can't help you, lady, And
she got followed home by a helicopter that was just

(58:12):
hovering above the trees. Whole neighborhood thought that we were
selling drugs and the police were coming for us. I mean,
just it was terrible. That was all during the nineties.
And she finally lost it and said, you get out
of this or I'm leaving you. And that was about
nineteen ninety nine. The last show I did was Jeff
Frentz and that was it. And you know, except I
had a black Sikorski hover over the house after that show,

(58:35):
just to let me know that they had heard the show.
And I heeded the warning and just to give me
one more good example of what they could do. And
Jelly saw it. She came out. It was a big
Sikorski and it was really low over our house and
it was hovering right there, and the guy was looking

(58:57):
right at me and I waved down him and he
waved back. It was so obvious what was going on. So, yeah,
I had a lot of that I did. I'm not
so sure it's not starting up again.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
So when I had my phone tapped for a year,
i'd hear these weird nineteen eighties beeps as the phone
was being transferred to somewhere else. Yes, well this would
happen with only two people, really, my contact t ABDUCTI
fiance at the time, and another experiencer who lived close by.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Oh they want here to know they're listening.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Oh yeah they do.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Yeah, sure, they do it to intimidate you.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
And you know, as soon as the beeps would stop.
I'd hear it like the phone being picked up.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
And anyhow, sometimes they talked up and said things, you're
not supposed to be talking about this, and you hear click,
and it would scare you. I mean it's like, oh
my god, you know they're really this isn't extra Well
what do you think X files based on Chris knew
and this stuff was happening.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Did you share the event because you talked about the
being in the kitchen so I called the butcher block
being so yeah that one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Yeah, there's not much to it really. I mean I
woke up. It's about three in the morning, right, and
I was Thursday, and I didn't feel terribly drugged or anything,
but I was, you know, I had just woken up
after being asleep, and I walked out there to get
some water from the refrigerator. It was cold inside, you know,

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in a picture, and we used this filtration system and
there was a butcher block, I mean one that's quite
heavy to move, and it was sitting in front of
the refrigerators. I couldn't get the door open, and I
looked down at it and thought, why did they do this?
Meaning my late wife and her daughter? And then the

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legs moved and that's when I got this chill, and
I said, wait a minute. And then in that second,
I guess my mind figured out the butcher block wasn't working.
So it allowed me to see what was really there.
A lot of people see deer and things and we
know what it is, but it's I don't think it's

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them projecting it. I think it's your mind looking at
something I can't explain. So it allows you to see
the next best possibility. Because it was a night light
on in the kitchen that was kind of the color
of Whitley's book cover alien. It was kind of fleshy golden,
and so did the legs on the The butcher block

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looked that way, and it was one of it was
very It was amazing when you see them consciously, how
small they really are. At least this was a small one.
And it just gave me that look like h right
through the right through the refrigerator and I ran into
the living room. It was very dark in the living room.
I was hoping to catch it, but it wasn't in

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there that I mean, I wouldn't physically catch it. I
just wanted to get a better look at it and
I wanted to say, hey, don't run for me. I
you know, let's let's let's talk to each other. But no,
it was gone so quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Mine was the product.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Mine was a three foot tall boxing glove at the
foot of the bed doing this. Oh so, so that's
how I saw it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Now in one of your movies, I think it's the
visit You've there's a portal and Gray's coming in through
the portal into your bedroom. Yeah it happened to you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
No, no, no, because that film was much more science fiction,
but based on things I recalled. But Tony Hooper the
son of Toby Hooper and Toby you'll see Toby's name
in the credits too. I was friends with Toby. I
worked on his movies, and I worked on one of

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his films called Spontaneous Combussion. But of course he was
the director of Poulter Geiss and lots of other great films.
At least I thought they were great. And so I
spent a lot of time around Toby and his son Tony,
and this stuff was going on, and this was geez,

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early nineties, and he said, why why don't we do
a short film? You know, because we had a Tobe
premiere and we had Lightweight, and it was all very
early on, but we had it, and he had a
good sense of how to use it, and we had,
you know, fairly decent cameras, not really by today's stammers.

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So I wrote up a script based on a lot
of stuff that happened to me, but out all of it,
and so there's a little bit of fiction added in
there too. And his idea was to have that vortex
come in the wall like that, which was really cool.
I mean you got to figure that was what nineteen
ninety three or four right in there, and it was

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very far ahead of its time for a film that
was done on an amateur level. We weren't amateurs either
one of us, but using amateur equipment in the early
lightweave and early Adobe premiere. I thought it was really
well done. The thing that suffers is the sound because
we didn't have good mics. We had good cameras, we

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didn't have good mics. But and then of course the puppetry,
and it was where those were all full sized puppets
I had made to use the TV show Sightings, who
I worked for, and so we had the little grays
and we had the big tall one and we intermixed
that with the CG and a lot of tricks to
give the hands to move and do the things you saw.

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But that film was really done for fun, and of
course we couldn't do anything with it because we used
music that was copyrighted and we had art l in
the background, but we didn't care. We just wanted to
have fun and make a film about this stuff. Then
it never got seen till recently. It had been lost
and buried and turned up, and so I had it

(01:05:20):
cleaned up and put it online. It didn't get that. Yeah,
I'm glad you did. Not that many people watched it,
And I don't know why, because plenty of people watch,
but something is there. You know. It got a lot
of views when it first went on YouTube. Before YouTube
took it down, it got over a million and a
half views. That was not another account. But evidently there

(01:05:43):
were some copyright problems and so they pulled it and
I lost all those views. But they put up again
recently re cut it. I took care of some of
the problems, but they still won't let me monetize it
because there's some piece of music they say is not
public domain, but it was and it is. But you
can't argue with them because you're arguing with bots and

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they don't listen to you. So but that's okay. I'm
glad people are getting to see it. It's up to
almost one hundred thousand views now, which is not what
it had, but that's still enough, and more people are
watching it all the time. I think it's a good
little film because it's honest accounting of the things I remember.
And mister Lee he was actually a very small little

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Asian man. I mean, he couldn't have been taller than
four and a half feet and they wore like a
straw hat. And you know, we couldn't find anybody to
play that role. So we got Peter Fox from from
the from the Waltons things. He was a friend of
mine and he said I'll do the role, and you know,
I figured, well, okay, you know, but it wasn't what

(01:06:50):
I remember. I remember being in the thicket of our
backyard and it was very green underneath it, and he
was in there and he looked green. He almost looked
like Yoda, the wrinkles in his and stuff. But that
really happened because when I started talking to mom about it.
I said, do you remember mister Lee. She says, who's
mister Lee? I said he was our Chinese gardner. She said,

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we never had a Chinese gardener, so, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Yeah, that's great for you all.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Yeah, you was pretty nice. We used to talk about
astronomy and nature and all kinds of things, and he'd
work on the yard and I thought, my mom too, that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
What that doesn't make well, well, it was a human.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
I don't think he was.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Now, yeah, could you share with us some interesting stories
of your time working on that fright night in Ghostbusters?

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Well, I didn't think Ghostbuster would ever amount to anything.
I mean, I was happy to get the work, but
it wasn't that excited about it. I was excited about
twenty ten, which was being worked on in the same building,
and I said, can I go over there and work
on those the Discovery and do the Star Child and
all that stuff? And they wouldn't let me because I
was on a movie that I thought would never amount

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to anything. And of course we know now it's a
franchise and it did very well. People loved that. They
pay me money to autograph things from it. So but
it was fun. I worked on it, and I got
to play some of the creatures and I made some
of the creatures, and it was it was good, you know.
Fright Night was something I was more interested in because
I like vampire stories and and so does Whitley obviously,

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but there were problems with that because of the union,
and so I had kind of a bad experience and
a good experience both. But at least I got to
spend some quality time with Roddy there for a while.
We worked on six pictures together and so I got
to know Rodney pretty well and he was a wonderful
human being. I did Evil Eds makeup. I did a

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lot of the stages of Chris Surrendon. I didn't do
the last one, which I wanted to do, but I
got bullied out of it by another one of the
other artists on it and wanted that and just kind
of bullied his way out of it. But I did
a lot of the work in that. So the whole
thing with the pencil in the hand that was mine,
going through the fact that it wasn't really his hand.

(01:09:18):
It was his hand, but there was prosthetics on it
so that we could actually stab into him and have
to come out the other side. It was a good trick.
And then of course the cross on on Evil Ed's hand.
That was my gag. And we had tube running up
there to blow smoke and it removed another prosthetic that
was over the cross and it pulled off with the cross,
and so, you know, it was it was fun. I

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enjoyed that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
You know, when I was a kid, not sure when,
but I just came back from trick or treating and
so this he had, you know, this TV channel had
a whole bunch of like movies, like all scheduled for
the entire night, and so me and my brother would
watch these horror movies on TV. And that was the

(01:10:04):
first time I ever saw Fright Night.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Oh wow, Yeah, I fell in love with that. Sorry,
Welcome to Fright Night. Chris Srandon was is he's still
with us? Really nice man? Yeah, great guy. I've worked
on some really cool people. Christopher Walkin was another one.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
So did you ever meet Vincent Price?

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
No? I never did.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
No, So let's talk about your channel, your YouTube channel? Okay,
the silence, So what's it about.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
It's about everything we've been talking about. But the thing
is I that Mary noticed. It was her idea to
do this, uh is that there was There wasn't a
channel that she was aware of that was like a
support group that allowed people had these experiences to tell
their stories either an honest honestly or with their actual

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identity and record it in a cinematic fashion, not just
live stream, but to actually put them on camera and
let them tell their story to the camera without an interviewer,
and then visualize with my CGII Affects talents that I

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have what they experienced so that could be shared with
the audience, which has proven to be quite successful. But
you know, I don't really care about success. I don't
care about making money from this stuff. I do know
that someone's choking our channel right now, and it's not

(01:11:46):
going to stop me, you know, because we were getting
you know, major views, and then all of a sudden
it just sort of stopped, so that YouTube's not promoting
us like they were. All of a sudden, they're stopping.
So I know things go on behind the scenes, and
it's not going to stop me. Tomorrow. Tomorrow I'm going

(01:12:08):
to be on dream Talk Radio, which is radio coast
to coast seven million listeners, so hopefully that will bring
more awareness to our channel that way, because obviously if
we get more views, we get more revenue, and the
revenue does help because at this point we're spending our

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own money to support it, and we're not using home
cameras in home sound equipment. We're using professional cinema equipment.
And you know, I paid a lot of money for
that stuff, and it cost us. We figured out it
cost us almost thirty five hundred dollars an episode, and
we're up to twenty three. Now. We do get some

(01:12:52):
revenue from YouTube, but just as it started getting to
a point where it was really helping I'll send them,
went down real fast. No one has an explanation for it.
So I'm not going to let that that phasee me.
You know, I'm retired sort of. I have my Social
Security and my screen actor's pension that I get still

(01:13:15):
from Hollywood, and you know, I'm just going to keep going.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Yeah, so I find your really fascinating. It's really it's
well done.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
So oh, thank you, kudos to you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
It's amazing. And so your book also, it's available on Amazon.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Yeah, it's still there. Yeah, it it keeps. I keep
getting these notices that you need to fix something on it.
But it doesn't affect it. And it's the editing. I've
had it edited three times, and evidently there's some editorial
problems or something. But I think where that's really come
from is the transcript and the transcripts of that surgery.

(01:13:56):
And it's a transcript that was written by a transcribe,
and it's verbatim, so you know, some of the spelling
is spelled to emulate. And then I think, and you know,
I'm under hypnosis and until slurring my words inaudible and
that kind of thing. My thought was to release that

(01:14:17):
just the way it was done, but it's probably going
to be republished and they're going to go through and
groom that make it more palatable for the reader that
doesn't get what's going on with that. So but yeah,
the book's done really well. I haven't. I mean, I
get a terrible little bit of money from it. You know,
Amazon takes all the money that YouTube takes a huge percentage,

(01:14:39):
as you know, but Amazon really does. And so I
don't know how many hardbacks or softbacks I've sold. I
don't really have any way of knowing, and I can't
make out what they send me, you know, what's sold
and it's just it's not much. But I don't care.
I don't care because people really enjoyed the book. I

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get a lot of email from people thanking me because
they you know what they say. They say, I don't
feel crazy anymore, I don't feel alone anymore. Thank you.
And I get to hear their stories and sometimes they
will allow us to read them in Mary's podcast, Secret Stories.
And so that's what it was for, you know, not
to get rich and famous, you know, and as you know,

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in this realm, there's a lot of ego going on
and people want to be the center of attention with
this subject matter, and they're missing the point. This is incredible,
what's happening to us. We're interacting with something that's under
this world, under our world, at least I think it is,

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and it's one of the most amazing things to happen
in human history. And people want to cash in on it.
I mean, I understand you need to make money, pay bills,
you know, it helps when you're doing this, but it's
more than that. They want for and swimming pools and
girls and be famous on television. And I see it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Yeah, I've spoken to people that were in contact of
TV shows. Let's say, I won't say which ones, but
these tap producers said that it's not about informing the public,
it's about entertainment.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
So it's correct, that's absolutely correct. They just want it's
all about the money. There was a sizzle reel was
created for a program and it had some of the
whistleblowers involved in it. Very early on, this was like
three years ago or so. Whitley myself was interviewed and interviewed,

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Vaughan was interviewed, and we were brought to this house
up in the hills and Tohunga Canyon and we were
in a garage and it was let very well, very
professional equipment and everything. These people had done a number
of big shows, but they had a concept show they
wanted to do about this, and they went into it
thinking about it one way, and they and they after

(01:17:00):
the producer, who was a very nice man. He was
very skeptical, but after he experienced these people and saw
their interviews, he knew there was truth to this. He
completely changed him. So he cut the sizzle reel in
such a way that he sat at a mic like
we are right now and talked about these people, and
he talked about how interviewing these people and hearing their

(01:17:22):
stories affected his perspective on life and how we looked
at the subject. And he said, this is real, this
is important, and we need to pay close attention to this.
It was beautiful. I still have the sizzle reel and
it's one of the most beautiful things ever seeing done
in this subject. And so they went to shop at
Tarts and Entertainment and History Channel and all the other channels,

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and not one of them would take it if they
didn't put in re enactments with actors, make it scary,
make it sensational, so the being counters could count their beans.
So he said no, he turned them all down and
or on a shelf rather than let them destroy it.
So he's one of my heroes. Could he have used

(01:18:07):
the money maybe? Did it matter not to him? He
truly believe this was an important thing to share with people.
And I'm happy to see say that Arts and Entertainment
at Arts Antonemy Netflix was open enough to make that

(01:18:29):
a reality because that series they did recently, it was
very very good.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
It was very.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Faithful and respectful. And of course Philip Mannel worked on
the Pasca Gula case produced on that his book is fantastic.
We had him on the show. I've known him for
years and that was very faithful, and so I think
it showed to them since it was the highest rated
show they had, that if you tell the truth, you

(01:18:55):
don't over sensationalize it. You don't. You don't, you know,
try to make it more than it is, the way
they did with Fire in the Sky, it will do
well on its own. Just be honest, do the right thing.
And they did it, but they're one of the few.
And it's Spielberg also, and with his Encounters four episodes beautiful,

(01:19:16):
and I think that's starting to show these guys that, well,
you know, maybe we still can make money if we
just tell the truth. Just let these people tell the truth.
We don't need skeptics, we don't need to, you know,
make their induction bigger than it was and show aliens
with teeth and drool and they just leave alone. So

(01:19:36):
my fingers are crossed. And that's what we've been doing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
So let's call it a night to Steve.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
In the show.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
Off the interview and Jeff like perhaps another story to
share or a closing statement to share with everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
This thing just came into my head right now, Watch
the Skies. That's so ridiculously cliche. I mean, seriously, they
can't do something better than that. But that's what came
into my head. Watch the Skies. And really, because if
you have doubts about this stuff, and you spend any
time at all, and it's really nice for your soul too.
It's a good meditation. Go in the backyard. When's the

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last time you did that and looked at the stars,
really thought about where you are. You know, you're this
being floating in this ball, surrounded by stars, and you
were born from them. Everything in your body material is
born from stars, stellar material, and that should be a

(01:20:44):
good starting point to open up the minds of people
on Earth and maybe we'll start fighting with each other
and go out there and explore.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
Beautifully said, beautifully said. So, Steve, thank you so much
for coming on tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:21:02):
It's been fun.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it, and
I've enjoyed your show. I have been watching it, and
so when I got I got the message from you
being on the show, I was really honored to do this.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
So yeah, thank you, and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
On my show tomorrow night. So and then you can
tell your whole story.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
And I know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
People have written to me from our group and said, oh,
you're having him on. He's so wonderful, and so they're
very excited about that, and so you look, yeah, me too.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
Okay, So to those watching, hope you enjoy today's interview,
I sure did. I'm your host, mister Great My interviews
coming up and I'll see you guys next time. So
hello everyone, This is mister Gray and thanks for watching
today's episode. If you are an abductee, contact, or experiencer
and you believe that your story could help others, please
feel free to contact me through my YouTube channel email.

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