Bad Boys: Aaron Hernandez Part 2

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Speaker 1 (00:52):
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Speaker 2 (01:23):
Hey one, and welcome back to exposed scandalous files of
the Elite. I'm your host, Jim Chapman, and today I
am continuing with the second episode in the bad Boy
series on Aaron Hernandez. Now, if you did not listen
yet to the first episode, go back and listen. I

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dropped that one last week, and I also dropped an
episode featuring Aaron's jailhouse phone calls, So go check those
out if you have not yet done so. Now, the
last time that I left you, it was June twenty
ninth of twenty fifteen. In the trial for the murder
of Odin Lloyd began. The prosecution started calling witnesses after

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opening statements were completed, in the first of which was
Aaron hernandez fiance, Miss Shanna Jenkins. So it's important to
mention that her testimony came conveniently with a guaranteed immunity
of any prosecution in a role in Odin Lloyd's murder

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in Folt, she did play a pretty significant role. However,
this immunity agreement did come with the stipulation that she
could not plead the fifth She had to answer all
the questions so key parts of her testimony. Let's talk
about that now. She was questioned regarding her actions on

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June eighteenth of twenty thirteen, which was the day after
Lloyd's body was discovered. She admitted to driving to a
Rhode Island McDonald's parking garage. This was in the middle
of the night to deliver five hundred dollars to Bo Wallace.
Bo Wallace was a friend of Aaron Hernandez and one

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of the four people allegedly in the car the night
Lloyd was killed. Now, the prosecution was suggesting this was
some form of a payoff to keep Wallace's mouth shut.
But I mean, five hundred dollars seems a little light
for a murder payoff, especially to someone of Aaron Hernandez means.

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But there you have it. Another significant aspect of Jenkins's
testimony was her admission that she removed a box from
the basement of the home that she shared with Aaron
Hernandez shortly after Lloyd's murder. So surveillance footage presented during

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the trial showed Jenkins carrying out a large trash bag,
and this large trash bag contained what appeared to be
a large box. You could just see the shape of
something that looked like a large box in this trash bag.
She took the bag placed it in the trunk of
her sister's car, which she used to leave that home.

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So when the prosecution asked her about that, she said
Aaron had instructed her to remove the box and dispose
of it, and that he emphasized it was important. She
then claimed she had no idea what was inside that box,
and she said, I didn't ask Aaron. This kind of

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did what she was told. She said she placed the
box inside the trash bag, covered it with baby clothes,
and threw it in a random dumpster. And when they
asked her, well, where's that dumpster, she said she could
not recall where the dumpster was. So the prosecution's contention
was that this box contained the murder weapon in the

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Odin Lloyd case, a glock forty five caliber pistol. Now,
her credibility was called into question many times during her testimony,
and she seemed very hesitant to answer questions, very cautious.
Many times she would assert that she could not recall

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key aspects of her role in all of this key
stuff that would be really hard to forget, Like, how
the hell can you forget what dumpster you threw a
box in where Aaron her name has told you. Essentially,
it's none of your business. Just thrown away, don't ask
me about it. I mean, would you really not ask

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questions when someone tells you to throw a box away
and that it was very important in their jail at
the time for possibly murdering somebody, ask yourself that question.
At the very least, you would look in the box. So,
even with the immunity, it just seemed she was unwilling

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to admit her role in anything, and it did not
come off good with the jury. I don't think the
jury trusted a whole lot of what she was saying.
They believed the box theory because it's on video, it's
on surveillance, but they didn't believe she didn't know what
was in there. This is just my opinion.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Now.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
The sister of Odin Lloyd, a lady by the name
of Gina Patrese. She also testified, and this was on
March second of twenty fifteen. She spoke of her knowledge
in the early morning hours of June seventeenth of twenty thirteen,
and she testified. She last saw her brother, Odin Lloyd,

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at two thirty am when he entered the backseat of
a Nissan Ultima outside of their home, and this was
confirmed by surveillance that the neighbor of Odin Lloyd provided
to police. Now at the time his sister last saw
Odin that night, she was sitting in a car. It

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was on the same street she was with what she
described as a male friend of hers now. In addition
to what she observed visually, she also testified and described
receiving several disturbing texts from Lloyd that night between three
seven am and three point twenty three am, and of
course she turned all that over to police. The messages

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included quote you know who I'm with, then quote NFL,
and then quote just so you know. She testified that
she had never met Aaron Hernandez prior to this incident,
and she never heard her brother mentioned him, so initially

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she thought he was bragging about being with an NFL star, Essentially.
She also testified that from her vantage point, she could
not see who was driving that Ultima. A fire department
captain by the name of John White also testified, and
he was the one who first responded to the scene

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of Odin Lloyd's murder, and he provided critical testimony regarding
the condition of Odin Lloyd's body at that crime scene,
and he also formally declared Lloyd dead at that scene. Now,
during testimony, he stated he was called to the scene

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in an industrial park in North Attleborough, Massachusetts, and upon arriving,
he said he assessed the situation. He found Odin Lloyd
lying on his back, face up, displaying no signs of life,
and he noted that Lloyd was cold to the touch

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and Lloyd was very stiff, which that indicated to him
that Lloyd had been dead several hours. He also said
he observed flies entering and axiting Lloyd's nose, which also
indicated he had been dead several hours. He testified that

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he officially pronounced Odin Lloyd dead at five forty seven pm.
This was on June seventeenth of twenty thirteen, and he
described the area around the body of Odin Lloyd as
a gravel pit and very isolated within the industrial park,
which to me that provided proof that this was an

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intentional effort to hide the body. He also testified that
Lloyd had been shot six times. Now sadly, during the fire.
Captain's testimony pictures of the scene in the body of
Odin Lloyd. They were shown in the courtroom, which prompted
a extremely understandable emotional outburst from Lloyd's mother and actually

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caused her to leave the courtroom. She, unbelievably to me anyway,
was not made aware that this was going to occur,
that they were going to show pictures of her son's
dead body right there in the courtroom at that time
with that witness. Now, usually this comes up ahead of
time because they want the family to know, Hey, we're

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going to show pictures here. So today when you know
XYZ witness testifies, if you don't want to see those pictures,
she need to leave the courtroom. It's just a matter
of respect to me. But they didn't do that, and
that kind of pissed the judge off, and it prompted
him to, I guess you could call it dressed down

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the prosecutors and he told them, don't let that shit
happen again. You need to make us aware before you
do that now. Captain White also noted the injuries Odin
Lloyd sustained, including gunshot to the chest, a gunshot to
the side. He had some shots to the collibrone, a

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total of six shots in all. And he said he
refrained from moving the body so as to obviously preserve
the scene for police investigators to do what they do now.
He did see five shellcasings and an unlit blunt near
the body of Odin Lloyd. And he had a very

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professional demeanor this captain during the testimony, he would detach himself,
if you will, emotionally, he always referred to Lloyd as
quote the patient. He wouldn't call him by his name.
And that's probably a defense mechanism for these guys that
sees it see this shit all the time. You know

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you al must have to dehumanize the situation to get
through it. One thing he did do was come off
very credible. This dude knew what he was doing. A
rental car employee also testified by the name of RelA Smith,
and she really provided the key evidence in this case
that would connect Aaron Hernandez to the actual scene. She

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testified that while cleaning out the car, she discovered a
spent forty five caliber bullet shellcasing in the vehicle. She
also stated that the shellcasing was stuck to a piece
of chewed up chewing gum that was blue. Now, remember
in episode one, I told you Aaron was caught on

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surveillance camera at a gas station that night with La
and two other guys in that ultima and he was
purchasing blue Bubblicious. Now, at the time the rental car
employee discovered this, she had no clue, no idea at
all that there was a murder investigation going on that

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would involve this ultima. So she finds this, she just
throws it in the trash along with a water bottle
from that vehicle. She goes home that evening from work
and she turns on the news and she sees this
murder investigation was going on and that they were investigating

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Aaron Hernandez and she thinks, oh shit, I may have
thrown away the biggest piece of evidence in that case.
The problem was the garbage at the rental car facility
had already been collected that day. So she calls police
and she tells them what she found and have thrown away. Unfortunately,

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and miraculously in my opinion, police go to the trash
dump and they are able to locate the trash bag
and the evidence inside of it that she found which
would provide a great setup for the next person that
testified in this trial, and that was Massachusetts State Police

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ballistics expert Stephen Walsh, and he testified extensively about the
analysis of the shellcasings found at the scene of the
murder and the shellcasings found inside of that rental car,
and he explained that the weapon used, which was a
glock forty five caliber pistol, was unique as it relates

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to the striations of spent bullet casings. So let me
explain that for you, glock barrels are manufactured differently from
most other firearms and that results in a smoother striation.
Which striations are the markings formed on the casings when
a bullet is fired. They're typically unique to each gun,

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so these markings are smoother with glocks. In addition, glocks
have what he turned as unique firing pin marks. This
all makes bullets fired by glocks pretty easy to identify.
So he then testified that all five bullets were covered
at the crime scene these striations matched. But even more

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damning than that was the bullet found in the rental
car of the car that Aaron Hernandez rented matched the
five bullets recovered at the crime scene, and as if
any more evidence was knee, there was surveillance footage from

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the industrial park showing that Ultima entering the facility and
leaving the facility. Next up was Maureen McCabe. She testified
at the trial and she was a forensic scientist at
the State Police Crime Lab, and she discussed Aaron voluntarily

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providing salava samples of his DNA, which was compared to
both that marijuana blunt. Remember I told you they found
an unlit marijuana blunt at the crime scene, but also
that blue bubblicious gum that was stuck to the spent

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shellcasing in the Ultima that the rental car employee found.
They tested that too, and guess what perfect match to
Aaron Hernandez DNA. Imagine that a forensic analysm by the
name of Jessica Robido also testified, and she was a
footprint expert, and they tested four pairs of size thirteen

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Nike sneakers that they recovered from a search warrant conducted
at airon hernandez home. Now, none of the sneakers turned
up positive for blood, which was what they were testing for. However,
the same size and type of sneakers were matched to

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footprints found at the crime scene. Now, interestingly, even a
water bottle found at the crime scene matched the flavoring type,
which incidentally was blueberry vitamin water, to the same water
found inside Airing Hernandez refrigerator at his home. And let's

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talk about this for a second. If you're like me
by now, you're thinking, this is a messy fucking crime scene.
They've got bubbleishous gums stuck to bullets that are left
inside a car. They got shellcasings everywhere outside of this
car at the crime scene. They got footprints everywhere on
the crime scene. And this jackass is even thrown bottled

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water out at the crime scene. I mean, this was
sloppy as they come. But what's that tell police? These
aren't experts in murder. This wasn't a hit, if you will,
just totally sloppy. They're on surveillance cameras everywhere, and hey,
that's great for police, but it just proves to you

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that these aren't professionals. This is just sloppy shit. Now.
One witness who never testified in this trial was Tanya Singleton.
Remember her, She was Aaron's older cousin. He went and
lived with her when he was having problems with his
mother after his dad died. She was the one who

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really he looked at as his mother, and he'd said
many times, it's the only one I trust in the world. Well,
she was asked to testify against Aaron. As a matter
of fact, she was subpoened and thus forced to testify.
But if anything else, I'll credit her loyalty to him

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that she absolutely refused to testify, effectively told the court
to go fuck themselves. Now, at this time, she was
very sick, late, very late stages of terminal cancer, and
with this refusal, she was facing jail time. But she
didn't give a fuck. She could care less. She was

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not going to testify against Aaron, and she was charged
with contempt of court. Now her situation, she's in the
last stages of her life. Here, she's gotten bad breast
cancer stage four stuff in the judge knew that, and

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due to her condition with cancer, rather than jail time,
she just got home confinement for not being willing to testify.
Also in the trial, some of the house cleaners for
Aaron testified and they said they had seen Aaron with
a gun many times, and they had seen one in
the house while cleaning, and the police, it's important to note,

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they found no weapon in Aaron hernandez home, and that
further strengthened the belief that he got rid of a weapon.
A bunch of people had seen a gun in his house,
yet no gun was found. Murder weapon or not. There
was no gun of any type found, and it kind
of proved to the jury that all these people are

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seeing a pistol and now he doesn't have one, so
he must have gotten rid of it. So, after a
relatively long trial, on April fifteenth of twenty fifteen, Aaron
Hernandez has found guilty of the murder of Odin Lloyd.
And you could see that one coming right. There's no

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denying this. There's proof frickin everywhere that he was certainly
involved in this and that, according to all accounts, pulled
the trigger. And Aaron Hernandez was subsequently sentenced to life
in prison. Imagine that this guy was an NFL star,
had just signed a forty million dollar contract with the

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New England Patriots and couldnot keep his ass out of trouble.
But it ain't even close to over for Aaron Hernandez,
a new trial awaited, and that trial would be for
that double murder in Boston that I brought up several times.
But before we get into that, a lot of you

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may wonder what happened to the other two guys that
were in that car with Aaron Hernandez the night that
Odin Lloyd was well. Carlos Ortez one of those men.
In a separate trial, he pleaded guilty to accessory after
the fact and he received a four to seven year sentence,

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and Ernest Wallace, in a separate trial, was found guilty
of the same charge and sentenced to the same sentence.
Let's get into that Boston double murder that took the
lives of two men in twenty twelve, and that trial
began on February fourteenth of twenty seventeen. Now, the star witness,

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if you will, during this trial was none other than
the guy Aaron shot in the face and attempted to murder,
Alexander Bradley. Remember shot him in the face, he went
blind in one eye. I touched on that in Episode one.
So a couple of things the police had add outside

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of Bradley's testimony that would play a huge role in
the prosecution's case of this trial. They had found the
abandoned vehicle suspected to be used in the shooting, a
toy at a fore Runner in the garage of Aaron
Hernandez cousin Tanya Singleton. They were serving a search warrant
in the first trial and actually came across it. And

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they had some ballistic evidence as well during this trial,
including shellcasings found at the scene matching the type of
ammunition that Aaron Hernandez was known to possess. And they
also had video surveillance showing Hernandez and Bradley leaving the
nightclub shortly before the shooting, as well as that same

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fore erunner that was found at Tanya Singleton's home following
the victims just prior to the shooting. So, as I said,
Alexander Bradley's testimony is the absolute key to this trial.
He is the only eyewitness of substance in this entire trial. Now,

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remember in the other car there were four people, Two
of them were killed, one of them was shot, the
other one managed to avoid getting shot. We'll get into
that a little later, But he was the one who
knew that Aaron pulled the trigger in his testimony. Now

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he was guaranteed amenity. So I'm gonna go ahead, and
you're gonna hear from Alexander Bradley's own mouth what happened
that night. And this is gonna take several episodes to
cover his testimony. But you have to hear this from
start to finish. There's no way to really summarize this.

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You need to hear everything this guy says. I promise you,
it's gonna reel you in Alexander Bradley's testimony.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Now, when you moved with this k in Bristol and
around two thousand and seven, at some point, mister Bradley,
did you start to engage in a different way to
get income in that time period other than a legitimate job.

Speaker 5 (25:15):
Yes, And what was that, sir?

Speaker 3 (25:17):
I was selling drugs marijuana to be exact, you.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Were selling marijuana, yes, And in two thousand and seven
leading into two thousand and nine, about how much marijuana
were you selling?

Speaker 3 (25:29):
It would vary between ten to like thirty pounds.

Speaker 5 (25:34):
A week each week.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
And did you have particular customers or was it narrowed
down to just certain people?

Speaker 3 (25:42):
For the most part, it was certain people. That is
pretty small circle.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
Mister, I'm gonna call your attention now to a particular individual,
the individual named Aaron Hernandez.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
When did you first meet Aaron Hernandez.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Well, first, I don't want to eight exact year because
I'm not sure, but he was finishing up college anticipating
in the NFL draft, So in between him getting drafted.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
Pretty much and mister Bradley, if you if you learned
that mister Hernandez started in the NFL in twenty ten,
would that help you figure out.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
The year that you met him?

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (26:17):
What year would that have been about?

Speaker 3 (26:21):
Well between nine and oh ten.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
How was it that you met Aaron Hernandez, Sir.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
I met him through a mutual friend, and it was
me and mister.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
Hernandez mutual friend that you both had. What was that
man's name?

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Individual named Daikon Brooks?

Speaker 5 (26:36):
And what was it about Daikwon Brooks? How did you
know him?

Speaker 3 (26:40):
I know him through the town, through playing basketball a
couple of different leagues, So that's how I met him.
That's how my relationship began.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
With And was mister Brooks also an athlete potentially looking
to go pro at the point at that time?

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Yes, he was standout basketball as.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
Think, and who introduced who to whom? Did mister Brooks
introduce you to mister Hernandez?

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (27:01):
And did you learn at that time that mister Hernandez
was from a particular town, born and raised.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yes, I was informed at that time that he was
born and raised in Bristol, Connecticut.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
Now, the person who you referred to is Aaron Hernandez,
who you met sometime around two thousand and nine. Do
you see Aaron Hernandez set in the courtroom today?

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yes, he's president.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
Can you please point him out describing an article clothing
that he's wearing.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
A gentleman right there with the gray suit, light blue
shirt underneath.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
After the rect we may reflect the witness identified the
defendant Aaron Hernandez.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
Man.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
Now, sir, describe when you first met Aaron Hernandez. What
was the nature of your relationship at least at the start.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Just casual. We had some things in common. We like
to play video games, nothing major, just we just hung
out video games.

Speaker 5 (27:47):
And other than playing video games that you have some
other things in common?

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Oh, yes, we like the gamble. We both smoked. We drank.

Speaker 5 (27:54):
When you say smoke, what would you smoke?

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Marijuana?

Speaker 4 (27:57):
And did mister Hernandez that time period nine and he's
still in college at the point.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
Was he smoking marijuana too?

Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (28:04):
Did you ever in that time period start selling him marijuana.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
At some point shortly thereafter? Yes?

Speaker 4 (28:10):
What was at least in two thousand and nine prior
to him leaving college and coming to the NFL.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
What was mister Hernandez's financial situation.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Prior to being drafted? It wasn't an ideal financial situation.
I don't know. He didn't have much money then.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
And did you ultimately loan him or lend him money
in any way during that time period?

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Indirectly? Yes, marijuana, not particularly cash, but yeah, marijuana.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
You would give him marijuana, but note not get paid
for it.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
At times. I would wait to get paid.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
At some point, Mister Bradley, you had what you described
as at least an acquaintanceship that was developing at that
point when mister Hernandez entered the AFAE.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
To the lead. I think it's I love a couple
of cos.

Speaker 5 (28:54):
After you had this relationship you've described with mister Hernandez,
did it change one he was drafted in the NFL?

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yes, it progressed.

Speaker 5 (29:04):
How did it progress, sir?

Speaker 3 (29:06):
We just started hanging out with each other more. He
started inviting me to come around more vacation, no, perhaps
to his house.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
Where was he living once twenty ten came around and
he was drafted in the NFL.

Speaker 5 (29:21):
Where did he start living?

Speaker 3 (29:23):
I believe it was Plainville, Massachusetts.

Speaker 5 (29:27):
Plainville, Massachusetts.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
Just calling your attention to the board to your left
is Plainville, right about here where I have the green dot.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
What kind of residence was he living at in Plainville?

Speaker 6 (29:39):
Sir?

Speaker 3 (29:41):
It was like a townhouse or a condo type of thing.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
Who was he living there with in the.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Beginning just himself and later on his fiance Shayana Jenkins.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
So once he entered the NFL in two thousand and ten,
started living in Plainville. Where were you living at the time?
Were you still in Bristol or somewhere else? I was
still living in Bristol. How frequently would you see mister Hernandez?

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Quite frequently? Progressed into I want to say, three four
times a week?

Speaker 4 (30:17):
Three times three or four times a week. What would
you do when you would spend time with Aaron Hernandez.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
The same things I met him doing. We would just
play video games. Smogan Drake sang out.

Speaker 5 (30:31):
Did you also go out anywhere together during that time period?

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (30:36):
Where would you go?

Speaker 3 (30:38):
We would frequent some some clubs and we went on
a vacation to Miami around that time.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
She went to Miami together. You and Aaron Hanandez. Did
you go alone or with other people?

Speaker 3 (30:51):
The initial time? I believe it was just me and
mister Hearnanda. It was me and mister Hernandez. The first
time I went just the two of you. Yes.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
And when you would go out, did you ever go
out to night clubs with mister Hendez between twenty ten into.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
Twenty twelve repeat the years ago?

Speaker 4 (31:07):
Between twenty ten into twenty twelve, did you go to
night clubs.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
With mister Hernandez, I believe we did.

Speaker 5 (31:13):
And how frequently did you go.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
To night clubs at the very beginning? Not that much,
but we would go to some nightclubs.

Speaker 5 (31:27):
You mentioned gambling.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
Did you ever go to the casino together with the
defendant mister Hernandez?

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (31:31):
Which casinos?

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Foxwoods, Mohegan Sun.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
When you would go to Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun with
the defendant, would you go alone with him or with
other people?

Speaker 3 (31:41):
We're usually alone.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
For the majority of the time that you spent with
the defendant, mister Hernandez, mister Bradley, were you usually alone
with him or was it more frequently with other people?

Speaker 3 (31:52):
The majority of the time we spent together, we were alone.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
How close did you get leading into twenty twelve?

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Became quite close? What do you mean by very close?
We were definitely best friends by twenty.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
Twelve, by twenty twelve of your best friends best friends.
How frequently would you contact each other either by phone
or text message?

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Definitely six or se most of the time, every day,
sometimes five six days, usually every day.

Speaker 5 (32:20):
Every day.

Speaker 7 (32:20):
Ye.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
So at some point, sir, did your relationship how did
the fact that you were a marijuana dealer? How did
that relate to your relationship with mister Hernandez.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
I mean, that's how it That's kind of how it started.
It was a business relationship. It progressed. What do you
mean in terms of how they do it? Really?

Speaker 6 (32:40):
Did?

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Did you continue during the friendship you've described? Did you
continue to sell Aaron Hernandez marijuana during that time?

Speaker 5 (32:46):
Apply him with marijuana, yes? Would he pay you for it?

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (32:50):
And sometimes you also give him free marijuana at times?
And at some point did you said the relationship progress
to being best friends. Did you continue to sell them
or provide him with marijuana when you were best friends?

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yes, provide I say more or less.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
More provided at that point, Yes, mister Bradley, and calling
your attention out to twenty eleven leading into twenty twelve,
was there a point where you and mister Hernandez began
to frequent nightclubs?

Speaker 3 (33:19):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (33:20):
Where would you go?

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Predominantly Boston Theater District, Connecticut, A couple places in Connecticut,
West Harford Center, Herder, Connecticut. At time or two, we'd
go to Springfield, Rhode Island, various places.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
How frequently would you go to nightclubs during that time
period twenty eleven in twenty twelve?

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Quite often?

Speaker 5 (33:41):
How many times a week would you estimate?

Speaker 3 (33:48):
I would say, I don't know. It was kind of
sporadic because it would depend on a lot of times.
It depended on his schedule.

Speaker 5 (33:55):
Well, let me ask you a little bit about that,
mister Bradley. Try to interrupt you, But would the fact
that he had the football season with that changed the
frequency in which you would see mister Hernandez. Yes, she
was there anything different about the different times of the
year as far as how frequently you would see mister Hernandez.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Yes, it were very depending on his schedule. I mean,
you know, football season or not football season. But I
still saw him an awful lot. I was around all
the time.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
During football season. Would you still see him multiple times
a week?

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Yes, definitely.

Speaker 5 (34:32):
Did you go to football games Patriot games?

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (34:36):
Would you go as on your own is after the
Patriot games?

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Yes? Where would you go? Predominantly back to his house
the majority of time back to his house?

Speaker 4 (34:46):
Calling your attention out too, the fact that you testified
that you would go to clubs there in Hernandez. You
said some in Connecticut and some in Boston's theatre district.
Where were the clubs in Connecticut that you went to?

Speaker 3 (34:58):
West Harford Senator was spot? We used to go to
a well that we've been to. I can't remember the
exact name of it. I think it's called Elbow Room,
Rhode Island. I don't remember the name of the spot.
But what about the clubs in the theater district of Boston?
Which clubs did you frequent with Aaron Hernandez? Club Cure
predominantly Cure. I've been to a rum or venue of

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the spots but usually it was Cure.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
How many times could you would you estimate that you
went to club Cure with the defendant Aaron.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Hernandez double digit times?

Speaker 4 (35:33):
I mean double digit times when you went out to
night clubs with Aaron Hernandez. And this time period again
twenty eleven leading into twenty twelve, did you notice anything
about the way the defendant, mister Aaron Henanda's acted when
he would be at night.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
Clubs with you? Yes, what did you observe?

Speaker 3 (35:53):
He particted her? He acted in the mainer like a
tough guy all the time, Like is the way I
would explain it. He he didn't really like people staring
at him. He had a problem with things that most
people don't have a problem with.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
When you say people staring at him, what do you
mean by that? Like, give us a scenario that you recall.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
I mean I recall a couple of different scenarios, but
one in particular, a gentleman was staring at him.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
Where were you do you remember which club?

Speaker 8 (36:27):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (36:27):
I think we were at Rumor for that particular.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
Club, Rumor in the Theater district of Boston.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Yes, and a gentleman was staring at him and it
turned into you know, an incident I believe mister Hernandez
asked the gentleman what he was looking at and a
gentleman responded by saying, I'm looking at you.

Speaker 5 (36:45):
And what happened after that.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
A mile c somewhat of a conflict ensued that wind
up getting ironed out. What the gentleman saying that, mister Hernandez,
you know I'm looking at you. You lost me a
lot of money on the super Bowl type of thing
is what it turn into.

Speaker 5 (37:01):
Where any punch is thrown.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
No, did you have to physically get involved in any way?

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Yes, I wind up kind of diffusing it. I spoke
with that gentleman and you know, kind of turning into
nothing after that. But that was the extent of that situation, And.

Speaker 5 (37:17):
Then what about any other situations.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
There was an incident in Connecticut, I believe I remember
in Motererbery, Connecticut, where the same thing happened with a
gentleman who was staring at him. And mister Hernandez always
had a problem with people staring at him.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
What would he say if you recall when people were
staring at him, do he say something to you?

Speaker 3 (37:38):
He usually was saying he didn't like people staring at
him because he felt like they were trying him or
testing him.

Speaker 5 (37:43):
Did you use the word trying?

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Trying was the phrase he used?

Speaker 4 (37:46):
He used, he would usually use that word, yes, Like,
in what context, Sir Hagen, do not lead you said?
You said he used a certain phrase in describing when
people stared at him.

Speaker 5 (37:59):
What was that word that.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
He used over the world?

Speaker 5 (38:05):
What would he say?

Speaker 3 (38:06):
He said he didn't like when people stared at him.
He felt like they were trying.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
Did you have a conversation with him when he would
say that at the club, particularly at this time, and
I think you said, Waterbury.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Well, I don't remember what I said to him at
that particular time, but what I usually would say was,
you know, you're a famous NFL player. That's what's gonna happen.
It's not that big of a deal. It's in other words,
I actually try to explain to him that people weren't
trying them all the time. It's just the situation, the
position he was in, and he didn't really need to
overreact all the time to that type of scenario.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
The two situations you described, mister Bradley, the one that
rumor and the one in a nightclub in Waterbury. What
observations did you make of the defendants demeanor when he
would be telling you that he felt like he was
being tried.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
He got upset about it. I mean, he didn't like it.
It was he always got upset about that particular thing.

Speaker 5 (39:02):
And those two occasions that you've described, did he actually
leave the club afterwards or did you leave with him?
What happened out? How did they end?

Speaker 3 (39:09):
And Waterbury, we wind up staying till the end, and
we left when it was over. But at that particular time,
that's Waterbury, Connecticut.

Speaker 5 (39:19):
And what about the time at the club rumor.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
We stayed till the end of the club, We didn't
leave right away.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
Calling your attention now to other times that you were
at clubs with Aaron Hernandez, what was his general demeanor
like at the clubs when.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
You're out with him during that time period?

Speaker 8 (39:35):
He wasn't real social.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
He's kind of stand offish, excluding me, you know, he
just he didn't really mingle too much inside the clubs.
He wasn't very social.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
Did you have a prior to July of twenty twelve,
other than what you've already testified to did you have
conversations with him? About him feeling that people were trying
and were testing him.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
State calling your attention out, sir.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
To the super Bowl in two thousand and eleven, actually
into twenty twelve, the Super Bowl Patriots versus the Giants.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
Did you go to that Super Bowl?

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Yes? Where was that Indianapolis?

Speaker 5 (40:21):
What was the result of the Super Bowl?

Speaker 3 (40:23):
The game the Patriots lost?

Speaker 4 (40:26):
Did you notice any difference in the defendants demeanor after
that game?

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Not particularly after the game. I mean, I know he
was well sad that they lost.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
But and what about the times that you went to
clubs after February of two thousand and twelve.

Speaker 5 (40:44):
Did you continue to go to night clubs after that?

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Yes, we did.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
And what clubs did you go to?

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Usually cure?

Speaker 5 (40:52):
Usually cure?

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (40:54):
Were there any other instances prior to July sixteenth, twenty twelve?
Were there any other instances cure that you recall of
the defendant getting angry?

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Particularly No, No, not that I can recall.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
How frequently would you go in other words, was it
a weekly thing? I'm talking now into twenty twelve, the
winter into the spring of twenty twelve.

Speaker 5 (41:24):
How frequently would you go to night clubs with the defendant?

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Very frequent.

Speaker 5 (41:29):
How many times a week?

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Well with him, usually once a week and then I
mean it would depend the football season was out. It
would be times we went two times in a weekend,
three times. It would depend on his schedule.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
At some point, mister Bradley, did the defendant, Aaron Hernandez
ask you to.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
Help him purchase something?

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (41:52):
What did he ask you to help him purchase?

Speaker 3 (41:54):
He asked me to get him a fire home.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
Do you know when this was, particularly in relation to
July sixteenth, twenty twelve.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
I'm going to say definitely at least a month prior,
maybe two, but definitely.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
A month prior, a month or two prior.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
Yes, did he indicate to you why he wanted you
to purchase a firearm for him?

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Yes, he felt like he needed it for protection. He
felt like he was tired of people trying him and
you know, people staring at him. He felt like people
thought he was soft to something and he was able
to prove something.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
He told you that he felt that people thought of
her soft.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
With his answers without a question, what a question.

Speaker 5 (42:37):
To give the context of what you just stated, mister Bradley,
What did he say about what he thought people thought
of him.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
He was fed up with the whole feeling as if
people were trying them situations, so he wanted a firearm
to protect hisself in the event.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
Did he ever indicate to you whether or not he
felt he was being tested or tried in certain areas
opposed to others, meaning certain cities.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
It was usually in downtown Boston area Care area. He
told you that, Oh, that's when he didn't say, I
feel like, you know, trying me here and here, but
that's where he was on heightened alert. Was in that
area all the time, right.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Uh, lay a foundation for lat kills.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
Did you have conversations with him both prior to and
after going to clubs in Boston downtown Boston, just general conversation, Yes,
And did he ever indicate to you any stress or
angst that he had.

Speaker 5 (43:39):
About going to clubs in Boston?

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (43:42):
What did he say exactly?

Speaker 3 (43:45):
He was tired of feeling like people were trying him.
He didn't like He would ask me, why don't people
stare at you like that?

Speaker 5 (43:52):
What would you say in response?

Speaker 3 (43:53):
And I'll respond to him pretty much because I'm not you.
I mean, i would say We're not in the same position,
you know, you're star athlete. I'm regular person.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
Now, do you recall, mister Bradley, whether or not prior
to July of twenty twelve, if mister Ahrand has had
a situation with any particular.

Speaker 5 (44:13):
Group of people in Boston.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
There was a particular group of people who he felt like,
you know, were always staring at him or watching him,
or type of thing where he had, you know, eye contact.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
With Do you remember anything about that group of people,
like any types of shirts they wore or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Yeah, it was a group of people. They used to
wear these shirts called that sayd City Angels on them,
and there were a large group of people. They usually
were a lot of them, There was always a lot
of them.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
And the and where were they? Were they in particular
clubs or usually in club care?

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (44:51):
Did they wear shirts that said what you've described city Angels?

Speaker 8 (44:54):
Yes, Ma virchoit's rum you may, mister Ridley. I'm gonna

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show you.

Speaker 5 (46:37):
Nine photographs, just ask you to look through those. Do

(47:08):
you recognize the apparel.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
That's depicted in the uh seven photographs?

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Sir? Yes?

Speaker 5 (47:14):
And is that the apparel that you that you previously
uh just described, sir?

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (47:18):
And what what apparel is that says City Evangels?

Speaker 4 (47:22):
And is that the apparel that the individuals were wearing
that you previously just testified to that mister Hernandez had
some concerns or issues about.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Yes, kay, sorry, it.

Speaker 5 (47:45):
Was nine photographs total, you're I said the ninth photographs
be stapled together marked as an next number EXI O.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
Yes, was that.

Speaker 5 (47:53):
Obtraction they received, mister Red, I'm just placing uh the

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front page of exhibit two eighty three. Is that one
of the uh types of uh peril that you're describing?

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Yes? Uh?

Speaker 5 (48:39):
Second page yes, yes. Third page listed is Roxbury, Massachusetts,
individuals wearing a certain type of hat.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
Yes. Fourth page yes.

Speaker 5 (49:00):
And here uh in red and in Sygney on the
shirt or a sweatshirt.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
That appear to be c A Yes, it appears to
be uh. Eighth page.

Speaker 5 (49:16):
The same type of in Sydney on the shirt shirt.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (49:24):
The next page there also city angels.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (49:27):
And then the the final.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Page, ninth page.

Speaker 5 (49:30):
Do you recognize uh who's depicted in that photograph?

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (49:33):
And who is that on the right, mister Hernandez and
the person he is standing next to. Do you see
the logo on the sweatshirt.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
Yes, does that a appear to be uh the logo
of the group that you previously described, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
It appears to say city.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
Mister Bradley, what do you recall in particular about the
groups of men who were women were wearing the City
Angels apparel. What do you call specifically happened between them
and mister Hernandez?

Speaker 3 (50:08):
A large group? They will They always came in big groups,
just staring at each other for the most part, like
long stairs.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
And did any did you ever witness any type of
confrontation or altercation involving mister Hernandez and people wearing the
City Angel shirts.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
No, not particularly, he just what did he say about it?
He thought like that group that had an issue with
him because he felt like they always stared at him
or stared him down when he was inside those places
or whatever.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
And he particularly mentioned the City of Angels group. Yes,
did he specifically mention them by name?

Speaker 3 (50:45):
He mentioned that group over there with that well girls,
he met you, what, sir, the group over there with
the City Angel shirts.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
Yes, mister Bradlay, you indicated that you perched that you
were asked to purchase a firearm for mister Hernandez, and
I believe you had stated he gave you the reason
why he wanted the firearm to be purchased. Did you,
in fact purchase the defendant Aaron Hernandez a firearm?

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Yes? I did.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
How did he give you any money to do that?

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Yes? He did?

Speaker 5 (51:14):
How much did he give you three hundred and fifty dollars?
Did he ask for a type of weapon?

Speaker 3 (51:20):
No?

Speaker 4 (51:21):
What did you do once you had the three hundred
and fifty dollars from the defendant?

Speaker 3 (51:26):
I went out and purchased the firearm?

Speaker 4 (51:28):
And did you purchase it in Connecticut or in Massachusetts?

Speaker 3 (51:31):
In Connecticut?

Speaker 5 (51:33):
What type of gun did you purchase the defendant Aaron Hernandez.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
I purchased him a revolver?

Speaker 5 (51:38):
What did it look like?

Speaker 3 (51:40):
It was three to fifty seven revolver with it was
silver with a brown handle.

Speaker 5 (51:47):
Did you purchase any ammunition with it?

Speaker 3 (51:49):
No? I didn't purchase ammunition. There were a couple of
rounds in the know and at the time I purchased.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
Once you purchased that weapon for the defendant, did you
do anything with the weapon?

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Did you give it to him? Oh? Yes, I did.

Speaker 5 (52:04):
About how long afterwards did you give it to him
after you bought it.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Not long after the next time he came back down,
I gave him the weapon. It was within a couple.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
Of days came back down from Massachusetts. Yes, And where
where did you.

Speaker 5 (52:18):
Meet with him? In Bristol and you gave him the weapon?

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (52:22):
What did he say when you gave him the weapon?

Speaker 3 (52:24):
She just looked at it and said straight it was straight.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
Now around this time period, mister Bradley, you've indicated it's
about a month or two prior to July sixteenth of
twenty twelve. What was your relationship with the defendant like
at this point?

Speaker 5 (52:40):
Were you still close?

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Repeat the timeframe again, please, the time that you bought
the gun. Oh, yes, we were still close.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
Had you met his family at any point at that time?

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Yes? I met a few members of his family.

Speaker 5 (52:51):
Who had met after the previously.

Speaker 8 (52:59):
You know who had you met?

Speaker 3 (53:02):
I had met his mom before his fiance, another some
other family members. I'm not sure. I believe they were
on his dad's side, but I'm not exactly sure who
they were. Aunts.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Had you met any of his family who lived at
an address called one fourteen Lake Avenue?

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (53:24):
Who had you met there?

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Sir? A relative of his by the name of Italian Singleton.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
What if anything did you notice about the relationship between
Aaron Hernandez and Tanya Singleton?

Speaker 3 (53:34):
It was a close knit relationship. They were close. How close?
Very close, it appeared.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
How many times had you personally been over to one
fourteen Lake Avenue if you know.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
I've been outside a few times. I've been inside I
say three times maybe at the most, but I've been
outside of the residence more times than that.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
And did you get a chance to meet did you
ever meet who Tanya Singleton's husband was?

Speaker 3 (54:02):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (54:03):
What was his name?

Speaker 3 (54:06):
I know him as TL TL.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
What if anything did you notice about the relationship between
the defendant and TL.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
They had I mean they were cordial, they were friendly.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
It's a bra I'm gonna call your attention now to
a particular night, being a Sunday night, July fifteenth, the
year twenty twelve leading into July sixteenth, twenty twelve. Do
you remember that night, sir, Yes, calling your attention out
to sometime in the evening hours, did you receive a
phone call or page or text from the defendant Aaron Hernandez.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
Yes, What was the nature of the contact, what did
he ask?

Speaker 3 (54:46):
He sent me, well, I shouldn't say a text. We
spoke somehow, either by phone or a text, and he
asked me if I wanted to step out?

Speaker 5 (54:55):
What did step out mean?

Speaker 3 (54:57):
Go? Oh?

Speaker 5 (54:59):
What was your respon? Bonds to him, asking if you
want to step out?

Speaker 3 (55:02):
I agree?

Speaker 5 (55:03):
Now?

Speaker 4 (55:03):
It was it was a Sunday night, mister Bradley. Was
it regular or unusual for you and defendant to go.

Speaker 5 (55:08):
Out on Sunday night?

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Usually on Sunday nights we went out and we would
go to Cure. That was our Sunday night spot.

Speaker 5 (55:15):
That was your Sunday night spot.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (55:17):
Now, when he said if you want to step out,
you said yes. What happened next her?

Speaker 3 (55:21):
He arrived at my house some time later, I'm not
exactly how long later, but he came over and you
wind up going out.

Speaker 5 (55:30):
What car did he come over?

Speaker 3 (55:32):
And the Toyota four Runner?

Speaker 5 (55:35):
Had you ever seen that car before?

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (55:38):
How frequently had you seen that car?

Speaker 3 (55:41):
I've saw it plenty of times.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
Do you know where the defendant had gotten that car from?

Speaker 3 (55:47):
To my knowledge, she got it from a dealer to
call Jack Fox?

Speaker 5 (55:52):
What was it the nature of how he got it?

Speaker 3 (55:54):
He told me it was he said, endorsement car. That
was the phrase, exactly crazy.

Speaker 5 (56:00):
Use endorsement car.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
What are the cars did Aaron Hernandez have during that
time period of twenty twelve?

Speaker 3 (56:08):
At that time, I believe, well, he had a black
range Rover and I believe maybe I'm not sure, rather
than that a black range Rover, though I know for sure.

Speaker 5 (56:26):
How frequently would he use the Forerunner?

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Not too too frequently, but when you use from time
to time?

Speaker 5 (56:36):
Had you driven it prior to that night?

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (56:38):
Approximately? How many times?

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Not very many? A couple of times, I said.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
Now prior to this night Sunday, July fifteenth, twenty and twelve,
had you and in between that point and when you
bought the gun for mister Hernandez, had you seen him
with the gun.

Speaker 5 (56:55):
Prior to that that you bought for him? In my life,
I have ever saw No, I'm talking about the gun
that you bought about a month prior. Had you seen
the gun at all before Sunday, July fifteenth, twenty twelve
on him? No, calling your attention out of this particular
night he came to your house. Where were you living
at the time.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Was living in Manchester, Connecticut? At what type of residents
I had a condo. How long had you lived there
at that time? I don't recall exactly how long I
been there. I'd have been there for a little while ago.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
And at this point, mister Bradley, were you still engaged
in selling marijuana as a way to make a living?

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (57:36):
Were you still selling the same amount so you previously
described or had a change stop?

Speaker 3 (57:42):
I believe I was still selling large amounts. I don't
know if it was exactly amounts.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
But and who And at this point again we're at Sunday,
July fifteenth, twenty twelve. Were you street level sales or
more of a higher level sale at that point?

Speaker 5 (57:59):
I mean, who are you? How many people were you
selling to?

Speaker 3 (58:02):
Not very many people, maybe five or six small circle.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
And what about the defendant, Aaron Hernandez. Was he still
buying from you? Or had he founded an additional source?

Speaker 3 (58:12):
He wasn't always buying from me, so I'm imagining that
he had another source.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
How much marijuana at this time period again into July
of twenty twelve, how much marijuana was a defendant smoking?

Speaker 5 (58:25):
How to average?

Speaker 3 (58:27):
I'll see you at sidebar.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
Did you become aware, though, mister Bradley, of whether or
not the defendant was purchasing marijuana from anybody other than you?

Speaker 6 (58:43):
Section as to answer, he's a guest, all right, being abject,
she is sustained as your foundation.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
Did you ever have conversations with the defendant about you
supplying it with marijuana?

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Did I have conversations with the defendant? Is that what
you said?

Speaker 5 (59:00):
Yes, about supplying giving him marijuana?

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (59:03):
Well, let me back up a little bit.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
In this time period twenty eleven into twenty twelve, how
much marijuana were you selling or giving to the defendant
each week?

Speaker 3 (59:12):
An old.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
Repeat the question how much marijuana were you selling or
giving to the defendant for free each week?

Speaker 3 (59:20):
As this are you asking me at a certain time frame?
Like yes, I mean it's varied before sometimes four ounces,
sometimes one ounce.

Speaker 5 (59:29):
Sometimes four ounces a week. There has been how much of.

Speaker 8 (59:32):
Its council repeating a witnesses say, lets you out a question,
put a question.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
Well, when you say four ounces, you're talking about four
ounces a week, four ounces a month, four ounces?

Speaker 5 (59:41):
What are we talking about?

Speaker 3 (59:43):
It would just be at a time like whenever I
saw him. You know, I can't minimize it to four
a week or four at a time. If I came
up three times in one week, and he wanted me
to bring him something every time.

Speaker 5 (59:54):
I just would And how much is an ounce?

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Are you asking me to describe it?

Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
And yes, size wise describe it a sandwich bag.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
Now, at some point did the times he asked you
for marijuana that decrease?

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:00:15):
When would that be.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Later into our relationship, like later down the line a decrease?

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
Did you ever indicate to you that he was getting
his marijuana from somewhere else?

Speaker 8 (01:00:25):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Answer no, I don't believe that. You may answer that.
I want to say no, like I don't know exactly
another exact source he was getting marijuana from, Like I
don't know mom for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
Could you recall ever indicating that you knew of a
white male that he was getting marijuana from.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Yes, yes, you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
Do you have any recollection of somebody else that the
defendant got marijuana from?

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Yes? Answer straight.

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
Calling your attention now to once a defendant moved to Plainville.

Speaker 5 (01:01:13):
Was there a point where his fiance moved in with him?

Speaker 8 (01:01:15):
Sir?

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:01:16):
Do you know about when that was?

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
No? Not exactly when, I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:01:23):
How how frequently would you go over to the house
and plane.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
The towards the end quite frequently. I mean they were varied.
There were times I'll be up there a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
And what if any observations did you make of the
relationship between the defendant and his fiance Shanna Jenkins.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
They were in a relationship. I mean, I really don't
know exactly what you're asking me, if any observations, they
just they had a relationship. They were together. They appeared
to be in love and loved each other.

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
Did she ever, what was your relationship with her, sir?

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
At that time? There wasn't really much of any relationship
with her. I mean we didn't speak. I know hi,
and by I was respectful towards her. She was respectful
towards me, and that was the extent of it at
that point in time.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
Was there any issue that you ever observed personally with
the defendant? Mister hand is going out with you from her?

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Jackson otherways?

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
Calling your attention now, sir, to one of the defendant
moved to Plainville. And again we're in July twenty and twelve.
You've indicated that at some point in twenty twelve, you're
the amount of marijuana you would sell him changed.

Speaker 5 (01:02:51):
When was that exactly?

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Overworld?

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
When was that exactly, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
Can you repeat the whole question please?

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
He was there a point where the amount that you
sold the defendant marijuana changed in twenty twelve?

Speaker 9 (01:03:07):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Yes, I believe so. I believe it was. You know
it was going down.

Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
It was going down. Yes, I'm client attention now, sir.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
Back to Sunday, July fifteenth, leading into Monday, July sixteenth,
twenty twelve. Again, you recall that night when the defendant
arrived at your house in Silver sub Yes, once he arrived,
what happened?

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Sir? He came in, He came in with a book bag.
Shut down, We out, hung out for a while, we smoked, drink.

Speaker 5 (01:03:39):
Did he indicate to you where he had come from?

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:03:43):
When you say he came in with a book bag,
what was in the book bag?

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
I don't know what was in his book bag?

Speaker 5 (01:03:48):
Do you know about what time it was that he
came over?

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
It was nighttime? I want to say, definitely after eight o'clock. No.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
When you say you smoke, now, what did you smoke?
Who brought the marijuana? Who supplied it? I had to marijuana?

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
How much?

Speaker 5 (01:04:04):
Did you smoke?

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
A couple of blunts?

Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
Did you do anything? Watch TV? Play video games. What
did you do?

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
I think we just hung out and smoke some blunch
and drink a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
Was there a conversation about where you were gonna go
out that night?

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Yeah, we were gonna go out. We were trying to
We were debating on where we were gonna go we
wind up?

Speaker 5 (01:04:26):
What was the debate between going where or where?

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Well? We couldn't we wanted. We couldn't decide whether or
not we were going to just stay local or go
up to Cure and Mass.

Speaker 5 (01:04:35):
What would what would local mean? Would that be a
certain city in.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Connecticut, Harford West Harford area?

Speaker 5 (01:04:42):
And was a decision made ultimately where you were gonna go?

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:04:46):
Where was that going to be?

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Sir? We're going to Mass to club Cure.

Speaker 5 (01:04:49):
Whose decision was that?

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
That was ours? A mutual decision. We just decided we
would go.

Speaker 5 (01:04:55):
There was anybody else with you that night?

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:04:59):
Was there any discussion of about having anybody else meet
up with you or go out with you?

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:05:04):
Call your attention to some time approximately ten pm, did
you leave your house or your condo in Manchester? Yes,
we did prior to doing so, What if any observations
did you make of the defendant and his car.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Once we got to the vehicle that we used, the
Toyota four Runner to drive up there, he popped the hood,
throwing the keys and placed the gun under the hood
of the car.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
When you say placed the gun under the hood of
the car, where did he get the gun from?

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
I don't exactly recall, like where he pulled the gun
out of her. But I had given him clothes prior
to that to come down.

Speaker 5 (01:05:41):
So what did you see He had given him clothes.
Why did you give him clothes?

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Because when he came he didn't have legitimate clothes to
go out in like I believe he had. He didn't
have on jeans and club attire. I should say he
didn't have club attire at the time.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
Does club attire mean you can't wear shorts? Yes, you
need long pants, you need gene yes.

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
So did you supply the defendant with some long pants?

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
Were you two similar size back then in twenty twelve?

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
And did you also supply to the defendant with anything
to wear as far as a shirt?

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Yes, a shirt, a T shirt and jeans?

Speaker 5 (01:06:17):
What about a hat? Were either of you wearing hats
at night?

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
I believe we both wore hats at night.

Speaker 5 (01:06:22):
Did he have his own hat or did you supply
him with a hat?

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
I believe I gave him a hat as well.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
So after you gave him a jeans, shirt, and pants,
I'm sorry, jeans and a shirt and a hat. You
indicate that at some point outside you saw him with
a gun.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Is that right? Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:06:38):
You don't know where he took it from.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
No, because I mean we were just walking into the
car together. I wasn't really you know, watching him while
we were walking into the car.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
How close did you were you to the gun? Could
you see what it looked like at that point?

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Oh? Yes, I believe.

Speaker 5 (01:06:53):
And what did the gun look like?

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
It was the revolver? I believe it was. It was
silver with a brown handle.

Speaker 5 (01:06:59):
You saw silver revolver with what color handle?

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
With a brown handle?

Speaker 5 (01:07:03):
What did you see him do with it?

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
Placed it under the hood of the car.

Speaker 5 (01:07:08):
When you say under the hood of the car, what.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Do you mean he put the gun inside the.

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
Engine near the engine.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Had you ever seen him somewhere in it under the hood.

Speaker 5 (01:07:18):
Had you ever seen him place a gun there before?

Speaker 8 (01:07:22):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Not prior to that. I don't recall to even place
a gun there.

Speaker 5 (01:07:25):
Did he say anything to you when he did this?

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:07:28):
Did you say anything to him?

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
No, you weren't surprised at all to see him take
the gun and put it in the engine block, I
mean not really. Was there any conversation about the fact
that you were going to Boston and whether or not
that caused him any concern? What do you mean prior
to well, before you leave your your place in Manchester,

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was there any conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
Other than us deciding on where we were going to
go out? No?

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
Not particularly Now you indicated I believe, mister Bradley, that
you drove the Silver Recuv up to Boston.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
Yes, what route did you take? The route I know
would be eighty four east to the mass Pike, which
I believe is ninety to ninety three I believe, which
is Boston.

Speaker 5 (01:08:14):
About how long does that drive take from Manchester up.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
To Boston Hour and a half minimal, give or take.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
Why were you driving, mister Bradley? Was that an ordinary
situation or was that unusual this night?

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
Yeah? I usually drove almost all the time. I drove.
Why I just I didn't really like how he drove,
so I drove. I trust him myself behind the wheel
I felt like I was the better driver.

Speaker 5 (01:08:37):
And when you uh got up to Boston, do you
recall about what time it was.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
When you got there? I believe close to midnight?

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
Did you uh pick anybody up along the way or
was it just the two of you when he arrived
in Boston?

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Just the two of us?

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
It's our last sex.

Speaker 8 (01:09:06):
Redular.

Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
I have Exhibit two sixty eight on the screen.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
At some point you've had an opportunity to watch some
compilation footage, both from Cure and from the Tuls Medical
Center garage.

Speaker 5 (01:09:16):
Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Correct?

Speaker 5 (01:09:31):
Can have stopped at twelve oh six eighteen, again recognizing
this is not in color, but does this appear generally
consistent with the silver SUV that you were driving the
Forerunner on July sixteenth, twenty twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Yes, it does.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
I've stopped now at twenty seconds into the exhibit.

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
Do you recognize the car depict it on that screen?

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:10:08):
And what car is at.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
As mister Hernandez, is suv.

Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
And the plate was from what state?

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
Rhode Island?

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
And do you remember that to have been the plate
and the plate number that the car had. I believe so,
and that what kind of car is out of tourd
to what.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
So Toyota four runner.

Speaker 5 (01:10:26):
But we've seen in the video here are you driving
or is mister Hernandez driving?

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
If we're arriving, I should be driving, mister Bradley.

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
This time again. July sixteen, twenty twelve. How well did
you know the city of Boston?

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
I knew that area. I didn't really know like the
city of Boston, but that particular area.

Speaker 5 (01:11:06):
You knew that area? And how did you get to
know that area?

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Just from fre frequenting it so much? We went out
every time we went to Boston downtown, it was usually
in this area.

Speaker 5 (01:11:15):
In the area of the s the theater district.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
Is that right right?

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
Once you got to the parking grotch, you recall where
you went to first? Did you go to to buy
anything first?

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Ah? I believe I know we stopped that. We went
to A seven eleven at some point. I'm just not
exactly sure when.

Speaker 6 (01:11:31):
But at first you went your you made.

Speaker 9 (01:11:35):
M spru just showing you what's been entered as Exhibit

(01:11:58):
number four.

Speaker 5 (01:12:02):
Does that appear to be a fair nacy representation of
the area of the theater just tripped to Boston?

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:12:09):
And calling your attention now to where it's marked as
Club Cure. Do you also recognize something marked as seven
to eleven?

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:12:17):
And were you familiar with the seven eleven that was
around the choir from Club Cure back of twenty twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
Do you have any recollection of going to the seven
eleven at the beginning of that night?

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
I'm not sure if it was at the beginning. I
remember going to the seven eleven that.

Speaker 5 (01:12:35):
Night to get what, if anything.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
I believe we got gum and some blunts.

Speaker 5 (01:12:41):
And for those who may not know, what are blunts cigars?
For what purpose?

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
For roly marijuana?

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
That was the purpose I use them for, mister bred
And fast forwarding to one minute and thirty seconds onto
the exhibit, do you recognize the two people coming across

(01:13:08):
the street here?

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:13:10):
Who is that?

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
Myself and mister Hernandez.

Speaker 5 (01:13:13):
The one here on the right is who, sir?

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
That's me?

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
Now, mister Bredler, you indicated already your familiarity with the
theater district of Boston. What about people from Boston or
from Massachusetts? Did you know many people from Boston or Massachusetts?

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
I don't know anyone from Boston and Massachusetts.

Speaker 5 (01:13:32):
You didn't know any I didn't hear.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
No, I don't really know anyone from Massachusetts.

Speaker 4 (01:13:37):
And as far as you're selling of marijuana, did you
sell marijuana to anybody in the Boston area in that
time period in Massachusetts?

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Absolutely? No.

Speaker 4 (01:13:45):
Did you sell marijuana to anyone in Massachusetts during that
time period?

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:13:52):
And other than individuals who you may have seen at clubs,
did you know people who frequented the clubs were from Boston?

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
No? I didn't know anyone the club in Boston.

Speaker 5 (01:14:05):
What about the staff of Club Cured? Did you get
to know them over the months that you went there.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
Yeah, I knew who they were. I got familiar with
their faces.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
I've stopped at one fifty nine and there's a group
of men who appear to be walking across the screen
and we see some feet coming from the top of
the screen.

Speaker 5 (01:14:40):
I've gone out to two h five. Who are these
two people?

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
That's the arrow was on me and now is on
mister Hernandez.

Speaker 4 (01:14:48):
The people who just walked by at that point. And
for the record, we're at twelve twenty eight am on
July sixteenth, twenty twelve.

Speaker 5 (01:14:56):
Did you recognize those people at all at that time?

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
Not at all?

Speaker 5 (01:15:00):
Have any interaction with them whatsoever?

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
None whatsoever.

Speaker 4 (01:15:03):
Did the defendant Aaron Hernandez have any interaction with them?

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:15:06):
Had you ever seen those people before in your life
at that point?

Speaker 8 (01:15:09):
No, it's the rheta.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
We've gone out two minutes and forty four seconds into
the exhibit. Was there any interaction whatsoever at this point between.

Speaker 5 (01:15:56):
You and the men who are now in the line
of the.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Club, None whatsoever.

Speaker 5 (01:16:17):
Brother, I've now stopped on the exhibit. At two fifty six.
There was a point where you seemed to be extending
your arm. Do you recall what was happening at that point?
What your conversation, if any, was with mister hands.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
I don't remember what our conversation was at that point.

Speaker 5 (01:16:30):
When you extended your arm.

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
Were you pointing to anything or anybody in particular that
you recall?

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
No? Were you projection? Judge as they answer said up the.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
Answeration, mister Bradley, was there a rule that you're aware of,

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uh relative to hats at at club Cure?

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
Yeah? No hats were allowed as uh.

Speaker 4 (01:17:16):
Did somebody uh direct you to take your hat off
at that point?

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
Uh? I I believe so.

Speaker 5 (01:17:25):
And what do we see you doing now? Are you
handing the hat to somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
It looks that way. There's there's a big glare on
my screen. So uh but yeah, I I l it
looks like I that gentleman right there is holding my hat, Yes,
right virtual, why's trump you man? Yeah, it's it's a
huge glare right here. I'm screened probably f Yeah, that's

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better right there now.

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
At this point, mister Bradley in the the video, to
the best of your knowledge, was the gun still in
the engine block of the car?

Speaker 5 (01:18:52):
Or had it been taken out?

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
That you recall it was still in the engine block?

Speaker 5 (01:20:02):
I stopped at uh six seventeen at the time. Did
you know the individual here in the braids?

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:20:11):
Had you ever met him before in your life?

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:20:14):
You ever heard of him before in your life?

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Never?

Speaker 5 (01:20:18):
Any of the people we see with him, had you
ever met any of them prior to that?

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
None?

Speaker 8 (01:21:01):
Who's the brother?

Speaker 4 (01:21:02):
Stopped at six fifty one of the video? Do you
recognize the two people coming in here where I have
the cursing?

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
He knows who is that? Who? Myself and mister hernan is.

Speaker 5 (01:21:12):
And the gentleman who seems to be leading you or
walking you in? Did you know him?

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Yeah? Yeah, from going up there. Uh, he was. He
was usually there when we went. He was usual to
guy the kind of took care of us.

Speaker 5 (01:21:24):
I didn't hear that. He was kind of the guy
who what he was usually the.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
Guy that took care of us. He usually escorted us
down when we arrived.

Speaker 5 (01:21:31):
Do you remember his name? No?

Speaker 4 (01:22:02):
Now, mister Bradley, When you went downstairs into club Cure,
where did you and mister Harnandez go first?

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
We went to the bar.

Speaker 4 (01:22:10):
Did you go to the bar together, meaning the same
area of the bar, or did you go to separate
parts of the bar.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
We walked to the bar together and then we went
to separate sections of the bar.

Speaker 5 (01:22:19):
Hills, What do you mean by that?

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
Mister Hernandez went off towards the right and I went
off towards the left side of the bar. It's different bartenders.

Speaker 5 (01:22:29):
Why did you go to different bartenders?

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
If you want? I mean, those appear to be the
open spots, you know, just go where I could get
in those ring.

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
I'm showing you what's been entered as Exhibit number thirty eight.
Do you recognize that, sir?

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
And does that appear to be a club Cure at
least club cure after renovations.

Speaker 5 (01:22:51):
Yes, what is the placement of the bar still the
same as it was back in twenty twelve? Repeat that
police is the place is the bar at least the
bar area here the same as Yes, you indicated that
you and mister Hernanda has walked up to the bar.
What side did he go to?

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
He went off towards the right over here, Yeah, towards
that side. Where did you go towards the left side?

Speaker 8 (01:23:16):
Did you get a drink?

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
Yes? I did.

Speaker 5 (01:23:19):
Did you see whether or not the defendant, Aaron Hernande's
got a drink?

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
Yes, he had got a drink or two, a.

Speaker 5 (01:23:27):
Drink or two.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:23:29):
Why do you think too, because.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
A lot of times when we drink, we would get
a shot of something and then another mixed drink, so
we have two drinks.

Speaker 4 (01:23:41):
So was there a period here that we're talking about
when you're getting your drink, he's getting his drink Where
you too were apart?

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:23:49):
And did you ever see him go off with a
fan to get a picture taken?

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
No, I don't recall him taking a picture with the fan.

Speaker 5 (01:23:57):
But was there a time that you were apart? That
could have been when he got.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
A picture with a fan Jackson.

Speaker 4 (01:24:03):
Well, well, how far how long were you guys apart
when you went downstairs and we got drinks?

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
Not very long, I guess, as long as it would
have taken for us to both get drinks on Chepara's
and the bar. I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
After you got your drink, when was the next point
you saw of the defendant, Aaron Hernandez from what did
you see him?

Speaker 5 (01:24:25):
Did he come to you?

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
Did you go to him?

Speaker 5 (01:24:28):
What happened next?

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
Oh? I just turned away from the bar after I
got a drink, and I believe I turned it, looked
over and we just kind of both met up somewhere
in the middle over there near the bar.

Speaker 4 (01:24:39):
And can you that's a touch screen where you are,
mister Bradley, Can you show where the two of you met.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
Up somewhere in this area right here, right there, we.

Speaker 5 (01:24:50):
Have the green dot when you met up. When you
met up? Did he have a drink or two?

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:24:57):
Did you have a drink?

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:25:01):
Did you uh start to have a conversation of any type?

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
I believe just a casual conversation. I don't remember exactly
about what, but.

Speaker 5 (01:25:08):
Just as you were standing there, mister Bradley with with
mister Hernandez. What happened next?

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
We were standing there and there was some gentlemen off
not really too far from where we were standing, but
more to the.

Speaker 5 (01:25:24):
Right, more to the right side this side over here, yes,
and uh there.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
Was there was a group of guys, and one of
the gentlemen was dancing, and he kind of danced his
way over to where we were standing.

Speaker 4 (01:25:40):
So he went in this direction here, yes, And as
he danced over, uh, to where you were standing.

Speaker 5 (01:25:47):
What happened next?

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
He bumped into mister Hernandez and his drink splashed up
and spilled on mister Hernandez and some guy on myself
as well.

Speaker 5 (01:25:57):
How much of the drink a lot of it or
a little or no?

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
Just like like a splash more or less, I would say,
like the drink splash.

Speaker 5 (01:26:05):
So wasn't it the whole drink didn't spill?

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:26:08):
And how much splashed?

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
Just some drops? Like I mean, I don't know how
to explain it, but a splash like the drink splash?

Speaker 4 (01:26:17):
Did it get on your clothes right, mister Hernandez's clothes
that he saw on mister Hernandez and a little bit
on myself.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
Too.

Speaker 5 (01:26:23):
Do you know what part of the clothing it got
on me?

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
It was on my arm. I got splashed on my arm.
I don't know like exactly where it was on mister Hernandez.

Speaker 5 (01:26:32):
Did you see the stains on his pants or on
his shirt or anything like that?

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
No, I just saw the whole drink splash thing. I
saw the splash, but I didn't see like stains. No.

Speaker 5 (01:26:40):
When the man bumped into him, was the man's back
to mister Hernandez or was he facing him?

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
It was kind of like the side of his body.
He bumped it like with decided maybe the shoulder type
of thing.

Speaker 5 (01:26:53):
And what was he doing when he bumped him?

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
Did you appear to be he was? He danced his
way over there like he bumped him in rhythm, like
he made it a pairs though he bumped why he
was dancing?

Speaker 4 (01:27:06):
And the man who you saw bump him while dancing?
Have you seen him on the screen so far yet today?

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
Yes? It was, Yes, I did. And who was that
the gentleman? You asked me if I saw him earlier
with the braves? If I ever saw him before?

Speaker 5 (01:27:28):
And is that the individual I have the curse around here?

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
Sir?

Speaker 5 (01:27:30):
Yes, when he bumped mister Hernandez. What was the reaction
from both of them.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
Mister Hernandez got mad, he turned towards him, and I mean,
I'm not sure if he did get words out or whatever,
but he turned towards the individual and he was upset
about it.

Speaker 5 (01:27:54):
What made you think he was upset? What did you
notice about his demeanor?

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
Because he turned angryly, you know, like he turned like
he was he turned in a manner in which he
was going to make a conversation out of the issue.

Speaker 5 (01:28:09):
Did you say anything.

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
I don't remember him getting many words out. No, I
don't remember him saying too much, but he turned and
what did the man with the braids do? The individual
with the braids was laughing, He smirked. He was kind
of laughing at the whole situation. He was aware of.

Speaker 5 (01:28:24):
Was he facing mister Hernandez at that point, Yes, and
he smirked at him.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
Yes, he laughed. He was aware of the fact that
the bunk just occurred. He knew what just happened, and
he smirked about it.

Speaker 5 (01:28:35):
What was mister Hernanda's reaction to the smirk?

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
Mister Hearnandis was upset about the incident, the fact that
he bumped into him, and that the individual you know,
didn't show respect and apologize. He just bumped into him
and laughed about it.

Speaker 5 (01:28:49):
And where were you at this point on the.

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
Other side of mister Hearnanda standing side by side with
mister Hernandus.

Speaker 5 (01:28:56):
You're side his side? Do you remembers on his right
side or his left side?

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
If you're a on his far side? So the way
we were facing, I was on the left side of
the green dot from how the screens raising me on the.

Speaker 5 (01:29:09):
Left side of the green dot.

Speaker 4 (01:29:10):
Yes, Now did that man with the braids who bumped
into mister Hernandez and then smiled at him?

Speaker 5 (01:29:16):
Was he with anybody else that you could tell?

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
Yeah, there was another group of individuals still standing in
the spot that he was before he danced his way
over there.

Speaker 5 (01:29:26):
So where was that spot if you could estimate?

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
Not as far over as this purple book, the original
one you made, but right around here somewhere.

Speaker 5 (01:29:36):
How many how many people did you see with him?

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
I believed there was at least four individuals with him.
What do they look like? Darker complexed? They appeared to
be a couple of them appeared to be African American
and that's pretty much how they look.

Speaker 5 (01:29:55):
And the man with the braids, w was his skin
tone and color?

Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
He appeared to be spinning light, light skin, solder like myself.

Speaker 5 (01:30:04):
And any of the others in the group. Did they
appear to be light skinned or were the rest of
dark skinned?

Speaker 3 (01:30:08):
There was some brown skin and I think I recall
one dark skinned guy and yeah, that was that. I
think they appeared to be darker skinned.

Speaker 5 (01:30:18):
Did they appear to be part of Well, let me
back up a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:30:24):
When the bump happens, and you said, mister Hernandez turned
to the individual, the individual smiled. Was that man that
of the braids with anybody else meeting? Was anybody else
right next to him? Or were they further apart?

Speaker 3 (01:30:37):
Excuse me? They were closer to the original spot he
was prior to bumping into us, but they weren't far.
All of this is in close proximity. They weren't that far.

Speaker 4 (01:30:49):
What happens after what you've described where mister Hernandan's got angry.

Speaker 5 (01:30:53):
What happened next.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
Once mister Hernandez turned towards the individual kind of grabbed
him by his He had a sure stage teeth. I
kind of touched him on his collar and was like, no,
let's just get out of here, you know, to avoid
the conflict.

Speaker 5 (01:31:07):
Why did you do that?

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Because I knew something was brewing. If I didn't do that,
it was we were gonna have an issue in there.

Speaker 5 (01:31:15):
What would make you think that?

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
Because his temper, his temper, the way he was, he
was just agitated, and I just knew what would happen.

Speaker 4 (01:31:25):
Now, mister Bradley, the prior occasions, the two instances you
talked about at Venue and in Manchester, you indicated those
times he stayed in the club.

Speaker 5 (01:31:32):
Is that right, but this time you wanted to leave.

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (01:31:36):
Why was that?

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
Because I didn't want conflict. I didn't come up there
for that and just to avoid it. Plus he was
in a position in his life where, you know, he
didn't really need that, so I just figured we could
get out of it. There's other spots around.

Speaker 5 (01:31:49):
What did you say to him?

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
He said, no, come on, let's get out of here.
You know, I don't worry about it. It's nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:31:55):
Did the man with the braids say anything to mister Hernandez.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
I'm not exactly sure. I don't believe he did, but
he was standing there laughing, kind of laughing about the
thing about the situation.

Speaker 5 (01:32:07):
And if you could aestimate how long did this encounter take?

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
Sure it was real quick, maybe the whole thing, maybe
a minute, the whole encounter.

Speaker 5 (01:32:20):
And at that point you said you got you told
mister hands you should leave the club?

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
Is that right? Yeah? That we should leave?

Speaker 8 (01:32:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:32:27):
Did you ever hear mister Handers say anything to the
man with the braids before he left?

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
Nah? I don't believe he got very many words out,
because I was already on top of it fast.

Speaker 5 (01:32:36):
But did you hear any words that he got out?

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
Maybe one swear? Like I'm not positive. I think he
was starting to say something and then I don't recall
exactly what he said.

Speaker 5 (01:32:49):
What happened once you started to walk away? Did you
leave the club?

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
Yes? We left.

Speaker 4 (01:33:05):
As you went up the stairs of the club. Was
there any conversation further about what had just happened.

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
Coming up the stairs? Coming up the stairs, I don't
recall it what the exact conversation was. I just you know,
I was we were just trying to get out of there.
We were getting out of there.

Speaker 7 (01:33:26):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:33:26):
I fast forwarded the exhibit to eight minutes and twenty seconds.
Is that you there, sir?

Speaker 8 (01:33:33):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:33:33):
And the person here, so what.

Speaker 3 (01:33:35):
Was their name? Is?

Speaker 5 (01:33:38):
What is he doing in the video?

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
If you know he just finished up two drinks, well
it looks like two drinks and I could see a
phone in his hand and then that's it. We just left.

Speaker 5 (01:33:49):
Do you have any idea what he was doing with
the phone?

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
None, it's better.

Speaker 4 (01:34:14):
I've stopped at eight fifty seven. Can you describe what
we see on the video and what and the best
of your memory is happening right now?

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
He was mad. I don't remember his exact words, but
what he's he was saying something along the lines of,
you know, he was pissed. He can't stand when people
try to play him same thing, trying 'em.

Speaker 5 (01:34:42):
What was his uh demeanor and attitude like at this point, sir?

Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
He was upset.

Speaker 4 (01:34:59):
Yeah, just stopping at UH nine forty two and it's
twelve forty in the morning on the sixteenth of July.

(01:35:21):
Where were you headed at this point? It seems like
you're following mister Hernandez. Did he indicate where he was going?

Speaker 7 (01:35:27):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:35:28):
I I mean I know when we left, I know
thee other places in the area. So I was explaining
saying on him at some point, let's just go to
another place, like another bar, somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
I'm mister Bradley.

Speaker 4 (01:35:46):
I'm letting the the tape play and their appears now
at twelve forty and eleven and twenty seven seconds, you
have your arms, both arms extended outwards.

Speaker 5 (01:35:56):
What are you saying if you recall at this point, cause.

Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
At that point engaging in a discussion in what he's saying.
You know, he was mad at the disrespect over what
just happened.

Speaker 5 (01:36:06):
What did he say about the disrespect? But words he
recalled me.

Speaker 3 (01:36:09):
He was just mad about the whole drink spell situation.
I mean, I don't remember his exact exact words, so
I can't give you you know, exactly what he said.

Speaker 5 (01:36:17):
But he was upset, And you say why the drink
situation made him mad?

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
Jokes? He just answer, come back from the conversation. Another question.

Speaker 4 (01:36:27):
But do you remember any part of the conversation as
you're walking on the sidewalk, Yes, the conversation, That whole
conversation right there is me explaining to him that it's
not that big of a deal.

Speaker 3 (01:36:40):
And even if it is, to him, he can't we
can't go in places like that and get into that
type of trouble because he has too much to lose,
so it's not worth it all the time to just.

Speaker 5 (01:36:51):
What was his reaction to you saying that to him?

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
Yeah, I know, but still I hate when people try me,
try to play me.

Speaker 5 (01:37:01):
Did you say try me, try me?

Speaker 7 (01:37:03):
That's that's the phrase he always used, no overworld, And
what did you understand that the term the phrase try
me to me?

Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
Jess And this has been ask in company sustained moved.

Speaker 4 (01:37:19):
On, sirround the video that I've played. You walked almost
to the entrance to the garage. Now you're walking back.
What's happening now, sir?

Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
We're still just having that same conversation, and I mean,
that's what I recall of it. We're still having the
same conversation, the same thing. I'm still I'm explaining to him.

Speaker 4 (01:37:40):
But had you ever had a similar conversation with him
in the past plenty of times?

Speaker 5 (01:37:47):
How many times.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
I can't put an exact number on it, but multiple times?

Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
And what were the circumstances of those multiple times similar conversations?
Did they involve nightclubs?

Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
Always involved nightclubs?

Speaker 5 (01:38:07):
And what was it that led to that similar conversation
you had multiple times.

Speaker 3 (01:38:11):
Stares, people staring at 'em too much, too long, too
much eye contact, when things like that. Did you just

(01:39:12):
see what?

Speaker 5 (01:39:12):
What? What just appeared on the screen, sir?

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
No, I didn't e think fIF think.

Speaker 5 (01:39:46):
Did you just see mister Hannis.

Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
Do something there? Uh? I saw some gesture? Yes, hm?

Speaker 5 (01:40:10):
And what yestades?

Speaker 8 (01:40:11):
Did you see?

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
Ah? When he put us that's when we went across
the street to the other place.

Speaker 5 (01:40:16):
Did you see him do something with his hands before that?

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:40:19):
What did he do?

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
That was the alright, let's just go and cause I
was trying to get him, let's just go into another spot,
and he agreed to it, and we just went over
there to the spot across the.

Speaker 4 (01:40:28):
Street again at forty two ten? Are you again we're
putting your hands out stretched, mister Bradley? What what's going
on in this conversation?

Speaker 3 (01:40:50):
Oh, we're still having that same conversation. It's just all
of this right here is just me telling him, you know,
it's not that serious like the situation. You know, it's
not that serious. Knows, rude, I knows, you know, disrespectful,
but it's not worth making the issue out of it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:08):
And I've stopped at the exhibit twelve minutes. Also the
screen time twelve forty two twenty eight seconds ninety one
tenths of a second.

Speaker 5 (01:41:18):
Does mister Anders have his hands on his hips?

Speaker 3 (01:41:21):
Yes, it appears.

Speaker 5 (01:41:26):
And you appear to be doing something with your hands.
What are you doing there, sir?

Speaker 3 (01:41:31):
Expressing something? I mean with still having a conversation. I'm
expressive in that way with my hands when I talk
so exactly. I couldn't tell you what that gesture with
my hand meant. But we are still carrying on the
conversation about what transpired inside.

Speaker 5 (01:41:46):
And what was his demeanor? Was he calm now or
still angry?

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
What was he like? No, he's upset about the thing.
Still he stayed upset about it.

Speaker 4 (01:42:21):
Then, mister Brellley, on the video, we saw that you
went across the street. Where did you and mister Harnandez
go next?

Speaker 3 (01:42:27):
Went to a bar across the street?

Speaker 5 (01:42:29):
Do you remember which bar?

Speaker 3 (01:42:30):
Yes, it's called Caprice. Caprice, well that's what it was
called at the time.

Speaker 5 (01:42:34):
Yes, And is that c A P R I ce?

Speaker 3 (01:42:36):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:42:37):
And where is that located in relation to cure us?

Speaker 3 (01:42:40):
Across the street A little? I mean across the street
and a little further.

Speaker 5 (01:42:44):
Up and showing you on exhibit four. Is it basically
in this area here, sir?

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:42:54):
Is there a hotel that's attached to it?

Speaker 3 (01:42:56):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:42:57):
What hotel is at?

Speaker 3 (01:42:58):
If you recall holiday? I believe.

Speaker 4 (01:43:01):
When you went across the street to Capri, did you
were you greeted by somebody at the door?

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:43:07):
What do you recall about that person?

Speaker 3 (01:43:09):
Excuse me? It was a sure Hispanic mail who came
up to us when we first arrived. He was offering
us some type of service. I believe it was either
maybe bottle or a table or something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
Did he appear to recognize mister Hernandez or was he
offering that to everybody who came up.

Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
No, I believe he recognized us or mister Hernandiz, I
should say.

Speaker 4 (01:43:30):
Once the offer of of table service was given. Did
was there a further conversation with the man?

Speaker 3 (01:43:36):
Oh? Yeah, we declined and he wind up giving me
a car some sort Whereas he's a promoter, so he
gave me a card to contact him if we ever
wanted to come over there.

Speaker 5 (01:43:46):
Where did your mister Randez go after that? Did you
go into the club Capri?

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
Yes, we went in.

Speaker 5 (01:43:51):
When did you decline table service? Did you go to
the bar?

Speaker 3 (01:43:54):
Yes, we went to the bar.

Speaker 5 (01:43:56):
When you got to the bar, did you get a drink?

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:43:59):
What happened once you were at the bar Capri having
a drink? Did you or mister Hernandez noticed something?

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
Oh? Yes, mister Hernandez turned around and was like, see
see it's like it's them as one of them. And
there was a gentleman that came inside who I thought
was a gentleman from the club as well. So it
did appear to be a gentle like it appeared as
though we got kind of followed over there, like someone
came out and went over there.

Speaker 5 (01:44:25):
What was mister Hernander's reaction?

Speaker 3 (01:44:27):
He got more upset in what way?

Speaker 5 (01:44:30):
What did you notice.

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
He was more upset. He was saying to me like
see see type of thing, trying to you know, boster
his claim that he was being tested and they were
following him.

Speaker 4 (01:44:44):
And then what did you say that, mister Hernandez in
response to that, let's leave here too. What was his
level of agitation at this point?

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
Sir? He was agitated. I mean it just it was heightened,
you know, it was boosted up again. Oh more than
already was.

Speaker 5 (01:45:03):
Did he make any more reference to being tried or tested?

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
I don't know if that was the exact term, but
he was like see that, you know, there they go
type of thing.

Speaker 4 (01:45:15):
They You indicated, mister Bradley, that you decide. You told
mister hands and let's leave.

Speaker 5 (01:45:19):
Did you leave?

Speaker 3 (01:45:19):
We left right away?

Speaker 4 (01:45:24):
And calling your attention back to the video exhibit at
one oh five, do you recognize the two people coming
across the street?

Speaker 3 (01:45:34):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:45:34):
Is that you and mister Hernandez.

Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:45:37):
Is this when you left Capri after seeing somebody you
thought was with that group?

Speaker 3 (01:45:42):
Yes, it looks like you.

Speaker 5 (01:46:08):
Mister Harnandi's just did a fist pump? What was that about?

Speaker 3 (01:46:12):
If you know exactly? I don't know what, mister.

Speaker 4 (01:46:22):
Rather, I've stopped at thirteen forty four. What was your
height and weight at that time? Were you bigger than
you are now?

Speaker 3 (01:46:30):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:46:31):
Do you know what your weight was?

Speaker 3 (01:46:33):
I was almost too sixty dead.

Speaker 4 (01:46:46):
Just stopping at thirteen fifty one? Again, is your your
face no disrespect a little a little rounder than it
is now?

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:46:58):
And the person here is who sir mister Nandez? Are
these the clothes you let him borrow.

Speaker 3 (01:47:03):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:47:05):
What about what's around his neck?

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
Do you know what that is? And appears to be.

Speaker 5 (01:47:12):
Some some chains or necklaces or looks like rosary beads
to me, rosary beads. Did you give those to him
or did he have those on his own?

Speaker 3 (01:47:19):
Oh? Those are his? Those belonging to mister Hernandez.

Speaker 4 (01:47:23):
The two hats that you're wearing, mister Bradley, yours being
what appears to be Is that a red Phillies hat?

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:47:28):
And do you know what kind of hat he's wearing
the defendant?

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
That's a Cardinals hat? And is it? Uh?

Speaker 5 (01:47:34):
What what color?

Speaker 3 (01:47:36):
Gray? And orange?

Speaker 4 (01:47:52):
Mister Bradley, I have advanced to fourteen oh four on
the exhibit. Would you recognize the car now leaving?

Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:47:58):
Which car is that?

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
It's mister Arnandez's SUV?

Speaker 5 (01:48:02):
And can you tell from the video who's driving?

Speaker 3 (01:48:04):
Mister Hernandez is driving. I'm in a passenger seat.

Speaker 5 (01:48:08):
Now did you do you recall him driving that night
or did you do you think you were driving the
night the whole night?

Speaker 3 (01:48:13):
No? Originally I thought I was driving at this point too,
so the whole night.

Speaker 4 (01:48:19):
So you were ultimately showing this video and it refreshed
your recollection that he was driving at some point. Correct,
mister Bradley, you appear to be leaning back significantly. How
do you keep your seat when you.

Speaker 8 (01:48:31):
Ride in a car?

Speaker 5 (01:48:33):
Jack to Love you say, how do you keep your seat?
How do you sit in your seat when you get
into a car.

Speaker 3 (01:48:41):
Somewhat reclined?

Speaker 5 (01:48:43):
Do you always do that? Or is that just something
you do at certain times?

Speaker 3 (01:48:48):
I usually do?

Speaker 5 (01:48:55):
Do you sit like that even when you drive?

Speaker 3 (01:48:57):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:48:58):
Actually, hit dude, sit like that when you're in a
passenger seat, a driver's seat, or in the back seat.

Speaker 3 (01:49:06):
Yes, I usually sit reclined, mister Bradley.

Speaker 4 (01:49:17):
For the record, we're fourteen minutes and twenty seconds into
the exhibit. It's one sixteen in the morning. Was that
the silver SUV that you were a passenger and that's
now pulled out of the parking garage?

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:49:34):
Where did you go from there?

Speaker 3 (01:49:36):
Sir? We made a right at some point down there
and we went to a street to the right, or
we made it right and we went to where did
you go? I mean, I don't know the name of
the street, but we made it right and went to
another street. Parked on another street.

Speaker 5 (01:49:55):
Do you know what street that was or what it
was next to any landmarks establishments?

Speaker 3 (01:50:01):
Uh, I remember like a funny split in the road
maybe where I mean, I don't know the name of
those streets, but it's kind of like a I don't
not explaining, like like maybe like a small boulevard like
with the road splits. Uh, we went right. We parked

(01:50:24):
over there somewhere. I don't know the names of those streets.

Speaker 5 (01:50:27):
So once you parked, did you get out of the car, Yes,
Where did you go?

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):
We walked? We were walking on whatever down whatever street
that whatever area that is over there. We were walking
and just smoking and just we walking smoked for a while.

Speaker 4 (01:50:42):
What were you smoking marijuana when you were walking? Did
you were you're playing to go anywhere? Were you just
generally walking around? We were just walking and just smoking
and talking.

Speaker 5 (01:50:53):
About How long do you think you were out walking
and smoking and talking.

Speaker 3 (01:50:57):
Uh, I don't know exactly, but a l a little
while maybe, I want to say, maybe a half hour
or something not, you know, I don't know exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:51:07):
After walking for around a half an hour, as you said,
did you eventually go back to where the car was parked.

Speaker 3 (01:51:13):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:51:14):
And at this point did you get into the driver's.

Speaker 3 (01:51:16):
Seat of the passenger seat driver's seat.

Speaker 5 (01:51:19):
I'm where did mister Hernandez go?

Speaker 3 (01:51:22):
What's he did he go? Saying yes, the passenger seat.

Speaker 5 (01:51:25):
At any point? Did he go somewhere before getting in
the passenger seat.

Speaker 3 (01:51:28):
Yes, he removed the firearm from out of the hood
of the car.

Speaker 5 (01:51:32):
How did you know that? Did you see that?

Speaker 3 (01:51:34):
Yeah? I saw it.

Speaker 5 (01:51:36):
When he did. Did he pop the hood or did
you pop the hood?

Speaker 3 (01:51:39):
He popped his own hood.

Speaker 5 (01:51:40):
He popped his own hood. And when you saw him
after he pop the hood, did you see him reach
to a certain area?

Speaker 8 (01:51:47):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:51:47):
What part.

Speaker 3 (01:51:50):
Like? I mean, I don't know what exact parts of
the engine, but he reached into like a side or
off to the side and grabbed the firearm.

Speaker 5 (01:51:58):
Did you see the firearm?

Speaker 3 (01:52:00):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
What did he do with it?

Speaker 5 (01:52:01):
After he got it out of the engine block?

Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
Placed it in the glove box inside the car.

Speaker 5 (01:52:05):
The glovebox meaning the glove compartment.

Speaker 4 (01:52:07):
Glove compartment right next to where the path, right in
front of where the passenger sits. Correct, what happened next
to her? We drove off and we drove back.

Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
I believe we did. A couple were just driving for
a little bit, we wind up doing a couple of
rounds around the area, a couple of laps, and ultimately
we wind up parking past the garage on the left.

Speaker 5 (01:52:29):
Now, what time was it in relation to when the
clubs let out at this point, sir?

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
If you recall, it was almost time for the clubs
to let out.

Speaker 4 (01:52:56):
Now on this exhibit, I've stopped at twenty three seventeen
the silver suv that we see here, So does that
fear consistent to you with a car that you know?

Speaker 2 (01:53:05):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:53:05):
And was it which car was that?

Speaker 3 (01:53:07):
It appears to be mister her name as suv.

Speaker 4 (01:53:15):
As you were doing what you described as I think
two laps around the block, did you notice any any
of the individuals that you've previously seen at Cure, and
in particular the man who had spilled a drink on
mister Hernandez.

Speaker 3 (01:53:26):
No, sir, m hm.

Speaker 5 (01:54:40):
You rather stop at twenty five fifty two on the
exhibit and two twenty one am. Do you see a
silver rescue that you recognize?

Speaker 3 (01:54:49):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
All right, So I'm gonna go ahead and cut this
one off right here and we'll pick up with the
next episode. And look, I'm gonna drop frequent episodes of
the US until we get through the testimony of Alexander Bradley,
because he's on that stand for several days, but you

(01:55:10):
need to hear all of it. So each drop I'll
cover a couple of hours of that testimony and we'll
talk about it in subsequent episodes. Thank you so much
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(01:55:31):
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