Bad Boys: Aaron Hernandez Part 5

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:59):
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Speaker 4 (01:07):
Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of
the Elite. I am your host Jim Chapman, and we
are back with part five of the Bad Boys Aaron
Hernandez series. Now, the last time that I left you,
the prosecution had concluded their examination of Alexander Bradley and

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it was the defense's turn at cross examination of Alexander Bradley.
And that cross examination was really explosive.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Right off the bat.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
The defense, as you heard, focused on the text messages
that Alexander Bradley was sending Aaron Hernandez, and it seemed
like they were trying to paint a picture of harassment, which, hey,
I'm gonna harass somebody too if they shot me in
the face. But they really dialed in and focused on that.

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They went over the proffer that Bradley had with prosecutors
prior to his testimony, and of course we've covered this
in the past. A profit agreement is just an agreement
between prosecutors and whoever's testifying that anything they say is
not going to be held against them, even if they

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were breaking the law. Now, the defense, they were also
looking for anything that they could find to attack Alexander
Bradley's credibility. And look, this guy was not a stand
up citizen. I mean, he was a major drug dealer
in the area. It wouldn't be hard necessarily to attack
his credibility. But I do want to say, on top
of that doesn't mean he was lying. And obviously he

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wasn't lying. He was clearly shot in the face. And
on that note, regarding his drug dealing, there was a
misunderstanding at one point, as you heard, on whether marijuana
and narcotics were the same thing. Alexander Bradley claimed that
he considered narcotics things like cocaine. The defense was saying, no,

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marijuana is also narcotics. And what brought that up, as
you heard, was the fact that he didn't tell police
that back in two thousand and six he was dealing
in narcotics. He admitted on the stand, as you heard
in the last testimony, that he was dealing marijuana in
two thousand and six, but he said I didn't consider
that a narcotic. Hey, it's neither here nor there. It

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really doesn't mean anything that he's saying occurred, did not occur.
It's just the defense, in my opinion, grasping its straws there.
So we're going to continue on with Bradley's testimony in
today's episode, and you're gonna hear a few things. You're
gonna hear the defense bring up specific text where Alexander
Bradley made threats to Aaron Hernandez regarding Bradley's crew, if

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you will, he referred to his crew as the wolves.
And they also got into the deposition that was inducted
on Alexander Bradley by the defense in the civil lawsuit
that Bradley had filed against Hernandez. They also get into
a little bit of the grand jury testimony which the

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defense does prove some lies by omission.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
If you will, you're going.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
To hear about that. It's very interesting.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
And here it is. We were talking about how violent the
joy missions is. Do you remember that?

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yes, okay?

Speaker 1 (04:28):
And you said it could people we can't get yes, okay,
when you kill drugs?

Speaker 5 (04:35):
Was it violent?

Speaker 6 (04:36):
Jackie Interestine, Now in your text messages that you went
over with mister Hagen, I want to direct your attention
to I'll get those text messages when.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
You say, oh, if you think them wolves ain't on debt,
then try you say wolves you're free shooters.

Speaker 5 (04:59):
Right, it can be shooters, not particularly, but your shooters. Right,
that's what you're referred to in this in this text message.

Speaker 7 (05:09):
Well, the question is what you were referring to what
you've been by that phrase?

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Wolves to me just mean friends of mine?

Speaker 5 (05:16):
Okay, you refer to your friends as wolves, my violent friends, yes,
good friends, my friends that are violent.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
You're violent friends. Okay, you're violent friends that are wolves.
You're telling era to watch out for them?

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Right, That's not what.

Speaker 5 (05:35):
I got on that.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
I said there on deck?

Speaker 5 (05:39):
What does that mean?

Speaker 3 (05:40):
That that means they're around?

Speaker 5 (05:42):
So they're they're ready, right, you're violent friends or ready?

Speaker 3 (05:46):
That means my violent friends are around.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
Okay. And then you talked about the money with God.
Let me let me. I want to read this exactly
to a flip.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
A that you know what you gotta do if you
want your life ruin.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
Oh, and oh, if you think them wolves ain't on deck,
then try what you gotta try? Well, I bet two
two one on the money.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
You with you WT get far choppers mac eleven mac ninety.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
You know I'm the street. Okay, you're talking about your guns, right, correct? Okay,
and a chopper an eight K forty seven right, Mac
ninety is, yes, Mac nineties and a K forty seven
it's an AK style weapon, yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
And how many rounds does the AK the MAC ninety
over world?

Speaker 3 (06:52):
It depends, but a lot of rounds.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
Okay, I'm gonna show you.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
And then you mentioned I'm Mac eleven eleven mac right,
go back eleven skin?

Speaker 5 (07:02):
Yes, okay, what kind of done it done? It's a
it's a automatic, it's automatic firearm, and a chopper.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Can be automatic firearm.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
Okay, they approsch witness you make.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Showing you photographs of three different guns, can you refer
to can you tell us which.

Speaker 5 (07:35):
One is which.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Mac and the chopper?

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Okay, this is the chopper.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
That's a Mac. It's a Mac ninety. That's a AK
forty seven. Okay, So this is a Mac ninety. This
is the chopper, say AK forty seven, right, that's a Mac,
and that's this is Mac ninety.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Okay, So we'll just stick with these two since you
didn't say AK forty seven. Is this a f an
accurate representation of each one of those, yes, okay, I'd.

Speaker 5 (08:04):
Like to use them as a chalk yard. You may.

Speaker 8 (08:13):
Be triple.

Speaker 9 (08:16):
And and there are two, thank you?

Speaker 5 (08:26):
H remember your firstiration you may m.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, mister Bradley, can you tell the ladies and gentlemen
of the jury what kind of.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Gun this is?

Speaker 8 (08:57):
Now?

Speaker 5 (08:57):
Would you identify that?

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Sorry, I'm showing the jury exhibit and for identification.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Mac ninety AK forty seven style rightfho?

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Okay, So that's a Mac ninety that you're referring.

Speaker 5 (09:12):
That you got for air, meaning if you cut around, correct,
that's the Mac ninety yestid I had? Okay? And how
many rounds does that, old, sir? It can vary. There's
not a definitive number of rounds that they hold.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
And after you had your this, these text messages took place,
and I'll get the exact date. April eleventh, twenty thirteen, okay.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
And you cut your deal with the state on October eighteen.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Well, October eighth is the profit in October eighteen, twenty fourteenth,
correct career? Okay, after you cut your deal.

Speaker 7 (10:00):
With the council, was that twenty fourteen, twenty fourteen, sir?

Speaker 1 (10:07):
So after you cut your deal with the state.

Speaker 5 (10:09):
It's not true too.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
I believe that's twenty thirteen.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
It's your shooting a letter to correct.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yes, sir, a few months later, four months later, right,
four months prior, you're telling Aaron that you got this
for him, meaning if he comes around.

Speaker 5 (10:37):
Right, I told Aaron that I have that, okay.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
After you cut four months later, when you cut the
deal with the state, did any police officers come by
and say, look, you're a two time convicted fella. You
need to turn that infection over. But he's come and
get your Mac. What's it? No, they didn't it, okay,
mister Hagen.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
Asked you for your Mac ninety No, mister Hagen didn't okay.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
So you gave they were you gave them your phone
with your text messages.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Right, No, I didn't give them my phone.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
You gave them eventually, you gave the States your phone.

Speaker 5 (11:21):
Right, they received possession on my phoneka and gave them
permission to download everything. Right, Yes, they had possession on
my phone. Put a timeframe on this.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
I'll throw the question yesterday, mister Hagen answered deadly.

Speaker 5 (11:40):
Mister Hagen.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Right, For the ladies and gentlemen of the jury, these
text messages like refer to these assault weapons, correct, correct?
And this can you tell the ladies and gentlemen of
the jury what kind of gun this is?

Speaker 5 (11:56):
Back?

Speaker 1 (11:57):
What levin back of leve and this this is the
other gun that you reference that you can.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
Kill Eric with. Right.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
I reference to Aaron that I had one, okay.

Speaker 5 (12:09):
To scare them, right, so let them know that you
could kill.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Him with it.

Speaker 5 (12:12):
Right.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
My intentions are not to scare him.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
You were not threatening, You were telling the truth right, correct, okay,
And you.

Speaker 5 (12:22):
Were already convicted felon right correct? Okay?

Speaker 1 (12:26):
And after your immunity deal, did any police officers come
and ask you for this gun?

Speaker 5 (12:33):
Correction?

Speaker 1 (12:36):
No, did mister Hagen ask you to turn in your
assault weapon?

Speaker 10 (12:41):
No?

Speaker 1 (12:44):
They're aware that you're a drug dealer injection correct.

Speaker 5 (12:48):
Overhel they are aware that I dealt drugs, yes, okay.

Speaker 10 (12:53):
And and there and by and by reference of these
sex messages, they have information that you have these guys, right, objection, Sustine.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
You didn't lose your deal once they downloaded.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
These sex messages, right.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Uh, to my knowledge, I've been lost for my deal
at this point.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
They didn't pull that back knowing that you had these
types of weapons out right, no, and that you carry
these weapons. Objection sustide that you threatened to kill Aaron
ornandis with these raps over rule?

Speaker 5 (13:37):
Can they take your deal back?

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Right?

Speaker 1 (13:39):
No now, sir. Yesterday you talked about the fact that
and even today when you talked about how you didn't
know shit about this case, when you jeb boss, remember that,

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yes and yesterday you told the ladies and gentlemen of
the jury that the reason you said that was because
you don't want to incriminate yourself, correct okay? And you,
of course were concerned about incriminating yourself because that would
be a bad thing, correct okay.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
And in fact, jail calls when when you're speaking on.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
The phone in the jail, it constantly reminds you these
calls are being recorded, right correct, okay.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
So you're a smart guy right.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
At times? Okay.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
And one of the things that.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
One of the things that you know when you're in
jail is you don't say anything on the phone that's
going to jam you up.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
As you'd like to say, right.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Whose words on you said? Jam you up? Whose words on?
Jam your words?

Speaker 5 (14:59):
Do you recall every using the words jam you up?

Speaker 1 (15:01):
The objection is your herald can you show me please,
I'm asking you a question.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
Do you recalls have you used the words jim you up?
I don't recall off him, could jam myself off? I
don't recall saying those exact words. Uh. Do you recall
on what after?

Speaker 8 (15:18):
I say?

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Okay, m's true?

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Do you recall making the phone calls for Brook on
October sixth, two thousand and thirteen.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
I do recall making phone calls to her broke woe
cost I can't validate the dately.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yes, I recall making your phone call.

Speaker 5 (15:43):
And do you recall why you're on the phone with
Brooke will Costs?

Speaker 1 (15:47):
You asked her to get uh, what are your wolves
on the phone?

Speaker 3 (15:53):
No? I don't recall that.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Do you ask her if you recall asking her the
three way and a gentleman by the name of Larry Brown's.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
Three way in mister Brown. I don't recall it having
a three way, mister Brown.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Cause you know that they're illegal to do on the
on the jail calls, right, but you can't call someone
and then then have done three ways someone right now overhorld?

Speaker 5 (16:16):
Did you know that to be the case?

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yes, Kay, I'd like you to I'd like to uh
play the stay for you and ask you if you
you can recognize your boys?

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Sir act I don't know.

Speaker 7 (16:29):
Uh overworld, we back it up and.

Speaker 8 (16:40):
I need that's okay just.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
A little bit.

Speaker 11 (16:58):
You don't.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Whatever your a neighborrid like?

Speaker 3 (17:05):
What you do you?

Speaker 12 (17:06):
Navy girl?

Speaker 5 (17:06):
Whose voice is that? Sir?

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (17:08):
That's my daughter's mother's voice? Broken wall pots correct? Okay,
good to your u.

Speaker 5 (17:13):
Good luck?

Speaker 13 (17:15):
Do you have a fifty sixty and from that's a
hundred out to get to uh your mom to get
your trolley?

Speaker 3 (17:22):
So step with that?

Speaker 5 (17:24):
Sure your uh, just phone on, I've got your father.
Oh is that your voice, sir?

Speaker 3 (17:32):
It sounds like it. Yes, Plug your ally real quick
for me?

Speaker 9 (17:35):
What do you?

Speaker 5 (17:36):
What did you say right there? Plug? Who got rewinded?

Speaker 3 (17:39):
I couldn't hear but that?

Speaker 5 (17:45):
Uh yeah, oh plug alleway real quick for me, I said,
plug alleway real quick to me. Okay, what's that down?
What sevens her to call?

Speaker 3 (17:56):
My friend? Connected?

Speaker 5 (17:57):
Okay? Who's she calling?

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Oh? Like you said?

Speaker 5 (18:01):
Okay Larry Brown? Correct?

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Okay, Oh what so when you testify to this jury
a moment ago that you don't make three way calls
and that you have call that was not true.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
I never testified to the jury that I don't make
three way Joe calls.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
You didn't just say that you knew that they were
it was illegal to do a third to three way call.

Speaker 5 (18:20):
That's different. You said you asked me if I knew
if it was illegal. You never asked me if I
ever did it. I did ask if you did.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Two questions?

Speaker 5 (18:28):
What a question at least? Alright?

Speaker 14 (18:31):
Alright, let's go ahead and play kill.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
Really sure that holding you should.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Us the depression on one of the names, and that Jack.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Sure, I suck?

Speaker 5 (19:20):
What are you referring to put the pressures on that.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
I don't recall.

Speaker 5 (19:24):
I'll show you what side like m.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
What calling people?

Speaker 5 (19:36):
I'm gonna I'm gonna handle the tide to live, specially.

Speaker 12 (19:40):
Especially a.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Sure, especially a tool agreement.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
Now, sir, when you.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Sued Aaron, Uh, you took a deposition right correct?

Speaker 5 (20:03):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (20:04):
And in that deposition that's a judicial proceeding, is it
not correct?

Speaker 5 (20:10):
Okay? And you have to take an oath correct okay?

Speaker 1 (20:13):
And you swear to tell the.

Speaker 5 (20:14):
Truth correct, the whole truth correct.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
And nothing but the truth right correct. And you took
this deposition after you made your deal with.

Speaker 5 (20:22):
Uh the state right?

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Correct?

Speaker 5 (20:25):
Okay and yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Specifically, the deposition date was given on December sixteenth, two
thousand and fourteen.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
Do you recall that, sir?

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (20:43):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (20:44):
And when you gave this deposition, you were asked if
you ever supplied Aaron with marijuana? Do you recall respon
responding no, not at this time?

Speaker 5 (20:55):
My interpretation of that question was in his marijuana supplier.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
When asked if you ever supplied Aaron with marijuana?

Speaker 5 (21:09):
To read the question again, please repay him.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Sure, page twenty eight, counselor alright, I'll rephrase it, line

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twenty one through twenty three. Did you provide Aaron Hernandez
with marijuana?

Speaker 5 (21:42):
Your answer was no, sir, not at this time? Do
your call making that state?

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Did I say no? Cert that at this time?

Speaker 5 (21:48):
Yes? Do you recall making that state? I recalled being
asked that question?

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (21:55):
What? Kay? And do you recall giving that answer?

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Be what my answer was? Please?

Speaker 5 (21:59):
No or not at the start? You call given that answer?

Speaker 3 (22:04):
That's a big question.

Speaker 5 (22:05):
We read from where it starts on one sixteen.

Speaker 7 (22:07):
All right, let the witness see the deposition testimony to
understand the context.

Speaker 5 (22:13):
Please af froach. You may in the first mon Oh,
it's bad. You're called making that statements or giving that answer?

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Is that a yes?

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Yes? But can you please read the context?

Speaker 7 (22:46):
So I asked the questions here, Yes, you give the Well,
now the witness is entitled to explain prior testimony in
the deposition.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
I understand it.

Speaker 5 (22:54):
I'm getting to that. You're well, let's get to it them. Okay.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Do you recall giving this answer, sir? Yes, okay. And
what it is referencing is you you smoking and playing
video games with Aaron, right, correct.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
But what it's saying is at the time.

Speaker 5 (23:19):
Of me the first that initial first meeting, when we
were smoking and playing video games.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
The question was.

Speaker 5 (23:24):
Wasn't his supplier at the time and at the time, no,
I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
When you gave this deposition and related to your drug activities,
you pled the Fifth Amendment twenty times.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
Right, Sustaine, I'll see you. What's side, gentlemen, let me drink.

Speaker 7 (23:47):
I mean to those of you who you may not
be familiar with what has been referenced as a deposition.
A deposition is something that is permitted in a civil lawsuit.
Civil lawsuit is different from a criminal case. It involves
a civil claim. That is an action brought by a

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party claiming that they were in some way harmed or
injured by someone else and for which they seek money damages.
That's the typical remedy in a civil lawsuit. In a
civil lawsuit, one party has the right to conduct both
parties have the right to conduct what are known as depositions,

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and a deposition is questioning of a witness or of
a party by the opponent. That questioning taking place while
the witness is out of I'm sorry, is under an
oath to tell the truth, and is typically taken outside
of court. That is, doesn't involve a judge or jerry.

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It's a pre trial questioning of a witness or a
party under oath by the opposing side. So that is
what has been referenced here. A deposition relating to mister
Bradley's lawsuit against mister Hernandez. That is a separate action

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entirely from the instant case here, mister Bias.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yes, sir, you recall this deposition, correct sir, correct, okay,
And you recall asserting your Fifth Amendment privileged multiple times
during this deposition, Yes, okay, And anytime the words drugs
or guns came up, you played the Fifth Amendment?

Speaker 5 (25:34):
Yes, okay?

Speaker 1 (25:36):
And do you recall part of your deal was to
testify through your immunity letter, as we covered today, part
of your deal was to testify completely and truthfully in
any proceedings in this case.

Speaker 5 (25:50):
Do you remember that?

Speaker 7 (25:52):
Are you suggesting, miss Bias, that the.

Speaker 15 (26:01):
Clean Agreement would apply to a shive of laws shooting?

Speaker 5 (26:06):
No this case. To rephrase the question, sir, are you
testified at your grand jury?

Speaker 3 (26:15):
Correct?

Speaker 5 (26:16):
I notice you're smiling. You find anything funny? Your injection sustained?
Put a question? Uh? You realize two men lost their lives?
Rejection strength? Qut a quest treat police? Sir? You were
called testifying before a grand jury? Yes okay? And when you.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Testify before a grand jury, Uh, there's no defense lawyer present.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
I believe there was at lawyer present.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
You're a lawyer, yes okay.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
And the one answering or asking questions and this grand
jury was mister Haygen correct okay. And do you recall
being asked what you did for a living?

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (27:01):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (27:02):
And you asked, can you describe for the grandeurs, what
if any jobs you had?

Speaker 5 (27:11):
Quick? Okay? And do you recall answering I've worked for.
I've had a few jobs. I've had hobby stores.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
A warehouse in East Hartford, worked for Stanley Steamer, I've
worked for Home Depot, I've worked for another store called
the Mill Store, another store, to my best knowledge, stop
and Shop.

Speaker 5 (27:31):
And Dunkin Donuts.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Cool understanding of that, yes, okay.

Speaker 5 (27:36):
Then you're asked how far you went at school? You
recall that. Quer Then you're asked do you have any children? Quick? Okay?

Speaker 1 (27:45):
This is this graduate testimony took place in twenty and thirteen,
right court. To your admission, you have been dealing drugs
for thirteen years.

Speaker 5 (27:54):
At that point, if that's around two thousand, yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
So when mister Hagen presented you to the lazy gentleman
of the grand jury, he asked you what jobs.

Speaker 5 (28:09):
You held, and you gave him Dunkin Donuts, Stanley Stevers,
and several other.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Jobs that we just covered, right, correct.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
You never told them I've dealt drugs for the last
thirteen years. I did given a mission to dealing drugs
at some point.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
When asked by mister Hagen and covering your background, never
said any word about being a drug dealer.

Speaker 5 (28:36):
Did you, sir, No, but I believe I testified at
the Green jury just being a marijuana dealer, so that
means I included that man prosuets you may.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
I take a look at your testimony and see where
you reference that, sir.

Speaker 5 (28:57):
At this point I hadn't referenced it yet. Look look
through it. Well, it's a lot of pages to look through.
Was that it's a lot of pages to look through?
Why take us and take it?

Speaker 3 (29:15):
You know what?

Speaker 5 (29:16):
There might be a.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Did you botes grand jury dates?

Speaker 5 (29:26):
Ever?

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Took five have on the eighteenth oh two?

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Brand jury dates?

Speaker 1 (29:30):
I understand that did you reference to anything in from
the grand jury on the eighteenth?

Speaker 3 (29:35):
On the eighteenth maybe?

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Now, okay, that's later, right, jurging.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
A much later?

Speaker 5 (29:43):
U scanned put a date on it.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
When you're presented to the grand jury.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
You never mentioned that you were that h on the eighteenth.
You never mentioned that you were a drug dealer, if
it's there's not in the documentary on the eighteenth later,
but on eighteenth specifically, you never said.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Anything being a drug.

Speaker 5 (30:00):
I can't confirm that because I don't remember all those transcripts.
But if that's if it doesn't mention it dude, then
I'll take your word for it. That is correct, okay.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
And mister Hagen was the one steering you with the questions.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
Right, actually sneering, Shane.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Mister Hagen's the one asking you the questions.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
There was no other attorney asking you.

Speaker 5 (30:21):
Any questions, right.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Now, you testified to the ladies and gentlemen of the
jury about your friendship with Aaron right.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
Well, you recall testifying that around two thousand and tennis
when you guys met.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
If I said that, if that's what's in there, and
you were his.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Marijuana dealer for about a year, right, if.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
That's what it says, I'm asking you.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
You were his marijuana dealer for about a year for
some time, okay, And initially for a while, it was
just a professional relationship, as you've.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
Put it, Is that correct, A business relationship, I believe.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
I said a business relationship.

Speaker 5 (31:09):
You just said professional book business Okay, business relationship, yes, correct.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Your initial relationship with Eric Nag business relationship. Correct, You
sold in marijuana, correct Okay. And it was after some
time that you've gotta became friends. Correct, Okay, Later around
twenty eleven, correct.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
I believe we became friends a little prior to I
can't exactly dat.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
So all right, So in actuality, prior to this incident,
you were only his friend for about a year.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
I don't believe that to be true.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
A year and a half.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
I can't put it. I can't exact it. But can
you tell me you can't.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Well, you testified about how close you were, how this
friendship is, but you can't give us any context as
to how long you were friends before this incident occurred.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
I like to believe the only a year and a half.
That might be accurate.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
All right, So a year and a half is how
long you know, and when all these text messages are
going on, it's really just two years tops, right. My
point is you're not lifelong friends.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Your point is correct, okay.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
And you were at the time of this incident thirty
years old.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
At the time of the shooting matter.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
And yes, and Aaron was twenty two if that's his age,
If that's twenty two years old time, a couple of
years out of three years out of high school. Three
years out of high school, he said, yes, he had
just gotten drafted.

Speaker 5 (33:10):
That wouldn't be twenty two to me. But I don't
know if that's twenty two to you, three years out
of high school, usually three years out of high school,
even more like twenty or twenty one. Okay, you're on.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
I was gonna load up some video now, but I
think that's a good time break for lunch.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
I don't, okay.

Speaker 16 (33:28):
And the bulletproof bests were for your own protection, correct,
just in case you get in the shootout, sustain in
case you get shot, Chaption Sustaine.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
What would the bulletproof vest be for, Sir Jacption Sustaine. Now,
four months after sending this text message, you made your
deal with the state, with the state of Massachusetts.

Speaker 5 (33:54):
Right, yes, I believe so, okay.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
And then after after getting your deal, you got another
fire arm kright, ury over Rude's got another firearm.

Speaker 17 (34:16):
Yes, I spent the wesson possibly forty caliber, yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
And you committed another crime with a gun, correct, okay.
And after you committed this crime, and after having.

Speaker 5 (34:38):
These assault weapons, hondwealth still didn't pull your deal? Did
they cause shed? In that form rephrase?

Speaker 1 (34:51):
After getting arrested for a gun offense, you still the
still the deal you made with the Commonwealth of Massachusetts
still stayed intact.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Correct, Okay?

Speaker 1 (35:04):
And then you were convicted of that offense.

Speaker 5 (35:08):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
I played no contest.

Speaker 5 (35:10):
Correct, you were convicted.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
I played no contest. Correct.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
You're making a distinction here. I know you like to
stinging swords. I'll want to be a collection. You were
convicted of that crop.

Speaker 15 (35:23):
By pleading no contest that resulted in a conviction.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (35:29):
No, Uh, you testified that.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
You didn't get any favors from the Commonwealth as.

Speaker 5 (35:40):
It relates to any other cases. Right, correct, Okay, you had.

Speaker 18 (35:49):
To one of the.

Speaker 5 (35:51):
Six charges on that on.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
That case, right objection.

Speaker 11 (35:54):
I'll show you what shoy, mister Bradley after conviction on
one second, if you would, oh.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Yes, sir, after your convictions on this specific case, the
firearm charge that you received that you picked up in
February of twenty fourteen, February third, that is one of
the conditions. Actually, let me rephrase that that case did
not go to trial or anything happened in that case

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for three years.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Right, that's correct? Okay?

Speaker 1 (36:40):
And your conviction is on the date of January ninth,
twenty seventeen.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Correct, correct.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
And one of the conditions of your parole is for
you to come and testify here.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Correct not correct? Okay?

Speaker 1 (36:54):
You would never advise that you needed to as a
special condition of your parole that you need to come
into testify in this case.

Speaker 5 (37:01):
It's not applicable, sir, because I'm not paroled, I'm not
on parole, I'm currently in custody.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Still a question to you, sir, is a special condition
of your parole that you come and testify at this case?

Speaker 5 (37:14):
What was said on the record, I believe, was if
I'm paroled, to make sure that I appear in court.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Here.

Speaker 19 (37:21):
My question, it's simple like for you to listen to here,
and that is is it a condition of your parole
that you testify by any superience in this case?

Speaker 5 (37:32):
That as an answer.

Speaker 7 (37:36):
You know you may answer that question whether or not
if that is a condition of your parole once it
is granted.

Speaker 5 (37:44):
My understanding was, if I'm paroled and out on the
street before I have to appear at this coordinate or
at any court proceedings, I just have to make sure
I appear.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Ask your question the question again, is it a specific
condition of your parole that you appear from this case?

Speaker 5 (38:07):
Action sustained? Sorry, if your question.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Is gonna be been drawn, sorry, they catch yes, So
it was just adjusting something okay. You testified yesterday in
the direct examination that you and Aaron came down the
clubs all the time. Could you got wow three times

(38:43):
a week?

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Are you asking me?

Speaker 5 (38:46):
Yes? Yes, yeh wow all the time? It was correct? Yes,
I don't know if you're asking me a question, I
am asking you. He didn't put it in a question
for him. That's why they need to.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Okay, you understand that you testified that you went out
multiple times a week with their Fernandez.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Yes, okay, And.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
You came to Boston all the time. If you're asking
me a question, yes, yes, I'm asking your questions, yes, okay. Now,
when you came to Boston, you would go.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
To the theater district correct, correct?

Speaker 5 (39:27):
All right?

Speaker 1 (39:27):
And when you came to the theater district, many times
you went to Characters correct. And many times you went
to the circle of clubs within the theater.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
District correct, if you're asking me.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
And when you went down three times in the week,
they were mostly to Boston nightclubs, yes, okay. And and
all the times you came down to Boston, you guys
went down what for.

Speaker 5 (40:00):
About a year?

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Repeat what you're asking me, please?

Speaker 1 (40:04):
You guys went parting to Boston about for a time
period of a year, correct, more than that year and
a half of your friendship?

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Are you asking me up until this point correct.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Before before the incident of the shooting?

Speaker 5 (40:20):
Yes, okay, So you've.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Been coming to Boston three four times a week for
about a year year and a half.

Speaker 5 (40:27):
Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Approximately? Yes, exaccurate?

Speaker 5 (40:30):
And all that time you didn't know anybody from Boston
other than the individuals from the club here, like you know,
maybe some staff.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
No, you never met anyone in your three days a
week in Boston every time you came into town.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
Can you specify? Have I ever met anyone like made friends.

Speaker 5 (40:52):
While you were come to Boston? Right? Yeah, I've said
how I've interacted with people who but made friends?

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Know?

Speaker 5 (40:58):
And you testified that you always drove right.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yes, for the most part, most of the time I
was drove you.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
At the night of the shooting, you get lost, I
mean to turn down the one way street and then
you got lost?

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Right, No, I didn't get lost.

Speaker 5 (41:14):
You testified that Aaron Hernandez was utilizing the GPS. Do
you recall testifying to that yesterday?

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yes? But at what point are you asking me?

Speaker 5 (41:23):
Did I get lost? It's a bit confusing. Okay, when
you left Boston, you testified that you got lost. I
testified it at some point during the travel back to Connecticut.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
We got lost. Correct.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
That's because after coming three times a week for a
year and a half, you don't know how to get
back to Connecticut for where you're from. Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (41:46):
That's not necessarily correct.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Just that night you got lost.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
We got someone lost, Yes.

Speaker 5 (41:56):
We did.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
And you need a GPS.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Correct e GPS?

Speaker 5 (42:04):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Okay. Now I wanna take you to July sixteenth, twenty twelve,
and this is the video that, of course you went
over with mister Hagen. This is you guys arriving correct.

Speaker 5 (42:23):
Oh, yes, correct, all right, for.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
The records twelve or four forty five, and you were driving.

Speaker 5 (42:31):
Right, I believe so, Yes, you didn't get lost getting
there right? No?

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Okay, So now you get there, I'm gonna fast forward
a little bit. Okay, I'm now directing your attention, mister
Brandley to twelve twenty nine oh three. You're about to
come into frame. Do you see yourself and mister Henendez?

Speaker 5 (42:59):
Yes? Okay.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Now do you at any time notice any of the
four individuals in front of your line?

Speaker 3 (43:08):
No?

Speaker 5 (43:08):
At that time. Okay.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
And you testified yesterday that you don't recall what it
is that you're discussing with mister Hernett is right there?
You see that, Yes, And that is when you're actually
pointing in the direction of the line.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
Correct. Yes, my hand appears to be in that direction,
but I'm not pointing at that, gentleman.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Sir, Okay, I didn't ask you that the general direction
of the line.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
Do you see that?

Speaker 3 (43:36):
I can you repeat the whole question again, pleasing?

Speaker 1 (43:38):
At this time, at twelve nine one, you're pointing the
general direction of the line.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Now it is that this time, well, shortly thereafter after this,
after you go inside of Cure, that you allege that
this incident took place, the bumping incident, correct, correct?

Speaker 5 (44:13):
Now?

Speaker 1 (44:14):
I remember you testified yesterday if you finished put one
of the exhibits, I'm sure, yeah. Yeah, you testified yesterday
that you went into Cure and you immediately walked to

(44:35):
the bar with mister Hernandez. Do you recall that testimony? Yes, okay,
And you testified that once you got to the bar,
mister Hernandez walked a couple of feet to you, to
your left right, and it was sir to your right,
like we're gonna point that.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Imps on the bar.

Speaker 5 (44:52):
I'm sorry, I said, if we're downstairs, and well, if
you wanna pull up the exhibit, I could better explain
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
I'll go back to that said, okay, I stayed there. Okay.
So you walk down right, correct?

Speaker 5 (45:25):
Kay? How long did it take you to get down
the stairs? Thirty seconds?

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Maybe that sounds about right, okay.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
And then you walk all the way to the bar
the correct correct, And that's at the other end of
the club there.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
For yes, I you could see the stairs right there, sir,
I see that.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Would I agree that it's at the other end of
the bar the club?

Speaker 5 (45:45):
Yes? Kay? How long would it take you to get
over there? Another thirty seconds or so?

Speaker 3 (45:53):
I mean maybe less perhaps, Okay.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
It's it fair to say from the moment you walk in,
takes you about a minute to get to the bar.
Is that a fair estimate? That's a fair estimate. Okay.
So then you get there and you testify that you
were on the right side of this bar correct?

Speaker 3 (46:12):
False?

Speaker 5 (46:13):
Okayt refied that I went towards the left side of
the bar.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
You went to the left, yes, And Aaron went to
the right correct, okay, And.

Speaker 5 (46:22):
You testified that he was pretty close to you in
regards to it was pretty close to you.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Still could see him where you're right, Yes, and it
disappeared from me okay. And after you guys got your
drinks right, Yes, we did get drinks okay. And this
would have taken about another minute or two to get
the drinks.

Speaker 5 (46:51):
I mean, I'll be speculating if I gave you the
exact time.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (46:54):
Okay, do you know how long you were in the club?

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Short amount of time? I don't know exactly what.

Speaker 5 (47:03):
Did the bartender come right to you right away? No?
There was actually a empty spot like a bartender was
no one in front of her.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
And I went to her on the left.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Side, okay.

Speaker 5 (47:13):
And then Aaron was at the other end of the bar,
towards the other end of the bar. Yes, okay. And
what what did you order? I don't recall what I
was drink like exactly, but usually at e i'd be guessing,
but I I would imagine patron maybe. So you got
some tequila yep, a mixed drink okay, And Aaron then

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ordered his.

Speaker 20 (47:37):
Drink correct, you claimed or you testify that he ordered
two drinks, correct, okay, not that that was your drink,
but that he ordered two drinks right, correct?

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (47:50):
And that would have taken approximately another.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Minute or so, another minute or so to what for.

Speaker 5 (47:56):
Him to get his two drinks projection H.

Speaker 15 (48:01):
Sustained in that form rephration, m.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Would have taken them approximately another minute or so to
get an get two drinks?

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Right?

Speaker 15 (48:08):
Actually remember another minute beyond what?

Speaker 8 (48:12):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (48:12):
After the minute it took them to get to the bar.

Speaker 7 (48:16):
See, your question is, did mister Hernandez get two drinks
within two minutes of arriving?

Speaker 5 (48:21):
Correct? Is that your memory? Sir? I believe you bought
two drinks at the same time, Kay.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Approximately two minutes after writing?

Speaker 5 (48:33):
Right?

Speaker 3 (48:35):
If that's what you're saying, Yes.

Speaker 5 (48:37):
I know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
How would know you'll say it?

Speaker 5 (48:40):
Well, what you're asking me to do is give you
an exact time about something that I can't And you
can't even give us an estimate even ask me for
I asking me.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Okay, I'm asking me now if you give us your
best estimate, that's the how long it would have taken for.

Speaker 5 (48:53):
Him to get two drinks. I would say we had
our drinks within two minutes of entering. Let's just say, okay,
I wasn't very hard, was it.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
That's what you said?

Speaker 5 (49:05):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Now after this you you you joined up with Aeron
now right, correct?

Speaker 5 (49:13):
And this is when you see the dancing gentleman. Yes, okay.
How long right.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
After you two meet up does the gentleman come around dance?

Speaker 5 (49:28):
I would guess within a few minutes. I mean a
couple of minutes maybe, so.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
A couple of minutes later someone comes around and dancing
and Eron's with you.

Speaker 5 (49:44):
Yes, he's not out of your sight. He's been out
of my sight at some point. I mean I didn't
watch him. It's like I went to the bar. I
didn't babysit, mister hernand dance. He's he's an adult.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
But your yeah, but you're at the club, yeah, right, correct, okay,
And that is when uh, mister David Brady comes over,
bumps into him, and you immediately take action, as he
stated right.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
Numble World. I never stated that I immediately took action. Oh,
I want to make sure I get your words right. Ah,

(50:40):
I'm sorry, You're right. I was on top of it fast.
Did Paul say that after the bumping into it in
the curd, yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
So you're on top of it, fast bumping happens, and
you grabbed mister Carneddis.

Speaker 5 (50:57):
Yeah, grabbed the shirt, Okay, grabbed the shirt, and you
were the peacemaker, if that's what you want to call it.
I just told him we should leave. I should just
suggest that we should leave, if that's the peacemaker. Okay.
You said that you weren't for that, right, was it?

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Yes? Correct?

Speaker 5 (51:14):
And that you didn't want any trouble. Correct, And that's
not why you go out, correct. And when you go out,
you don't look for trouble.

Speaker 7 (51:21):
You don't want rejection, uh, little hurls right, correct.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
I don't look for trouble when I go out, and
you don't want trouble when you go off. Projection sustained.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
And the fact you like to keep peace all the time,
projection sustaine.

Speaker 5 (51:40):
You like to keep the peace while you go out, sir, connection,
that's sustained.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
You're a peaceful guy when you go out, Projection sustained.

Speaker 5 (51:52):
All right.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
So you grab mister Hernandez and you immediately take him
out of the club.

Speaker 5 (51:56):
Right, I don't take him out of the club. He
takes yourself off the club, we leave together, correct, okay?

Speaker 1 (52:03):
And you don't want him because he's an athlete. You
don't want him getting in trouble.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
Not only that, I don't want entered into it. It's
not what I came out for. And on top of that,
he has a lot to lose, and he's a friend
of mine, and I cared about him at the time. Yes,
we know you care about this.

Speaker 7 (52:18):
From now when we walk out, stain, Jerry will ignore
the commentary you you cared about him that night, right
at that time?

Speaker 5 (52:29):
Yes, okay. And as you're you're taking care of him,
you're you're kind of guiding him out. Would you would
that be fair to say?

Speaker 1 (52:37):
We're walking out of the club together, okay, and you
immediately want to get him out of that club because
you know that if Aaron gets in troubles, he'll be
on the news. It's gonna be a problem, right, Yes, okay,
And you're kind of ushering him out.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
Will that be fair to say? Answer?

Speaker 15 (52:57):
Uh, you may answer it for the last time.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
We're walking out the club together, Okay.

Speaker 5 (53:02):
You're kind of ushering him up though, right jackcouraging him
to leave.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
You may answer, I had encouraged him to leave.

Speaker 5 (53:11):
Yes, okay, and that's all the way upstairs and out
the door. Right, Yes, we leave, We go upstairs and
leave out the door. Okay, and you're with him all
the whole time.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Correct, okay.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
And remember when we talked about telling the truth, the
whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Remember about your immunity agreement. We went over it like
five times.

Speaker 5 (53:35):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Now you testified yesterday that when Aaron goes out, he's
anti social.

Speaker 5 (53:57):
Right now, complete anti social. But he's not the most social.
He doesn't like he's not that social. He doesn't have
a happy face.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
I never said he didn't have a happy face.

Speaker 5 (54:10):
He's what were your words that he has a tough guy.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
I look, he has.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
He carries a tough guy demeanor a lot off the Yes,
and he's not social. You said that he's not too social.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
He correct.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
He likes to go out three times a week, drive
all the way to Boston an.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
Hour and a half, and not be social.

Speaker 12 (54:27):
Right projection.

Speaker 5 (54:32):
No, you may answer that question. You may explain your answer.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
I repeat the question again.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
He likes to get dressed out, drive an hour and
a half, go all the way to Boston three times
a week and not be social.

Speaker 5 (54:48):
That's not correct. It's not an hour and a half
to Boston where he is. It's a close drive for him.
So it's a long drive for me, thirty minutes three
times a week.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Correct, get dressed up, correct, and not.

Speaker 5 (55:02):
Be social.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Correctly social with me, just with you for the most part.

Speaker 5 (55:09):
Yeah, he just okay, y'all, bad approach.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
You may showing you a photograph of Aaron? Is that
what Aaron was wearing that night?

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Correct?

Speaker 8 (55:23):
Yes? It was?

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Is that a fair and accurate representation of Aaron Hernandez
that photoes.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
That's what he was wearing a night?

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Okay, it's fair and accurate representation of where he was wearing, and.

Speaker 5 (55:32):
A heaven fairgraph.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Okay, yes, alright, this time I'd like to move this
in the exentce of it.

Speaker 5 (55:39):
Told you.

Speaker 15 (55:42):
Now you'll be received as your photograph.

Speaker 5 (55:45):
It was the defense.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Now, sir, you've testified in three proceedings in this case, right,
two times in the grand jury, and and here's a
court in this trial court, and you've given multiple statements
to law enforcement court, okay, And in all of these

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statements and all of this testimony, you've never mentioned that
at the club that night, Aaron Hernatt is white and
sik a photograph with anyone.

Speaker 21 (56:38):
No, I didn't mention it, okay, because you didn't see that, right,
That is correct?

Speaker 5 (56:43):
And you were not present there when that photograph was taken.
I should say, I don't recall seeing that, sir, And
I was per I was present in.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
That club that night.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
You were not present there right there in that back
room when that photograph is taken.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
Right protection that back room?

Speaker 5 (56:58):
Uh sh is the foundation?

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Okay, sir? Can you take a look at the background
of that photograph.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Do you see right back here like some balls, like
some round objects there?

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (57:14):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Are you familiar with your nightclub?

Speaker 3 (57:17):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (57:18):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Are you familiar that there's a separate bar area in
the back No, I've never been back there in the
multiple times that you went to cure.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
No, I don't recall every being in the back room.
He's out of cure.

Speaker 5 (57:30):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Well, at the very least, you can testify that you
did not see this happen that night, correct, okay, and
that you can't account for Aaron if this, if this
photograph was in fact taken that night, you cannot account
for that time in any way whatsoe?

Speaker 5 (57:49):
Correct? I didn't, baby, said mister Andez. Okay, now in
the entire time.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
That you're in that club, whatever transpired here, you just
don't know.

Speaker 5 (58:03):
Right, Do you mean this particular photo? Yeah, I have
no recollection of this now and when.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
The police questioned you about your involvement, that he's thinking,
if in fact this photo was taken that night, that
is not a complete.

Speaker 22 (58:22):
Version of would occurred that night, right, sustained that. Okay,
I'm gonna try the question now you testify that Aaron
it's not very social, right, correct? Yeah, that he doesn't.

Speaker 5 (58:45):
Like being recognized and things like that.

Speaker 13 (58:47):
Right, collect something along those lines, correct, every reperch you may, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
I'm gonna show you a diagram that is listed as
a exhibited h which is a floor plan of the club. Cure,
do you see that, sir?

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:00:12):
Kay?

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Do you recognize it as uh as Cure see the
stairs on the bottom, yes, I do see stairs there.

Speaker 5 (01:00:20):
In the bar here?

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Okay, this area here, this back area. Have you ever
been back there?

Speaker 5 (01:00:27):
And Cure.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Not that I recall, Kay, And you also don't recall
ever seeing Aaron Hernants.

Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
Go back to this area that night.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
No, I don't call see him go back there? Good yead.

Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
Okay, all right, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
I'm now directing your attention to the Cure videos, and
I'd like for you to tell if you can in
just a moment, okay, that is that mister Hernandez that

(01:01:43):
just walked in. Yes, okay, And I want you to
note the last time that you can see Aaron Hernandez
on this tape.

Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
Do you see that just went out of focus?

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Or do you still see his shadow there? I believe
he's out of focus right there?

Speaker 5 (01:02:06):
Do you see his shadow? I believe he's out of focus.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
It may be a shadow.

Speaker 5 (01:02:11):
Can speak up, sir, I said, I believe he's out
of focus. It may be a shadow.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Okay, you see yourself right there, right? Yes, you're still
in camera view?

Speaker 5 (01:02:22):
Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
That's correct?

Speaker 5 (01:02:23):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Now let's see when you're out of camera view.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Do you see that? Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Twelve thirty nine forty two.

Speaker 5 (01:02:35):
They jumped nine minutes, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Sir, yeah it did. Let's see if we can catch
that last second. Twelve thirty nine, twelve thirty forty five.

(01:03:06):
I guess forty six.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Forty forty eight. It looks like you about we're around here,
yeah okay.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
And then the next time it comes into focus, it's
twelve thirty nine forty two, and right there you see
Aaron coming up the stairs.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Right right here. Yes, it appears to be mister is okay.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Now I want you to take note of his demeanor
and the time. That's the difference of nine minutes, right correct? Okay,
So the total time that you were in the club
was nine minutes correct. Take note of his demeanor.

Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
And where are you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Leave him? Coming up behind him?

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
No, that's not you yet. He's still waiting on you
right there you go a couple seconds, yes, yeah, okay.
So another individual was behind Aaron or Nanda's not you
right correct okay. And Aaron had a way up on
top of the stairs for you to come out of
the club.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
He made it a couple of seconds, yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
And when he comes up, let's see what he's doing.
Do you see that he has his phone in his hand?

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Yes, I did see the phone, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
And he has two drinks, right, I believe so, yes,
and he chugs them both right, yes, which means that
he doesn't.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
He hadn't completed his drinks at all in the barn, right,
doesn't necessarily mean he hadn't completed his drinks.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
So he's just drinking ice, you think, No, he.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Could have purchased more drinks in between.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Did you see him purchase more drinks?

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
I don't recall see him purchase more drinks?

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Okay, So you can't testify as to whether he bought
more than two drinks, right?

Speaker 5 (01:05:03):
No, I testify it right now that he could. But
now he could have bought two drinks without you seeing them, right? No,
s did you want me to definitively say that he
could have only had two drinks? I only want you
to at least say what you saw now? What you
saw is so like him only buy two drinks, right
that I recall?

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
Correct?

Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
Okay, So what you're saying now is that could have
bought two more? Now, uh, let's say no over room. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
It was the wording that you used, which the.

Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
Wording I use? What words did I use that you
didn't understand? Sir? You said he could only choked two drinks.
He only choked two drinks, is what you said. Then
you responded, he could have bought two more drinks. He
could have gotten more, right, Okay, did you see him
buy two more drinks? I never said that. I did
see him by more And.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
That's because you were out doing other business and not watching.

Speaker 5 (01:06:00):
It or not being around Aaron Hernandez. Right, objection, old world, Uh,
can you explain to me what other business will be?
What business are you in?

Speaker 20 (01:06:09):
Sir?

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
P Jection.

Speaker 15 (01:06:13):
Reframed the question are you a drug dealer?

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Injection?

Speaker 5 (01:06:21):
Old hurdled?

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Currently, No, okay, all right, you didn't see him take
a picture with the fan, right, No, I did it?

Speaker 5 (01:06:33):
Okay, that whole time when he went back to that room,
you have no idea. In fact, you had no idea.
But till today, four years later, that Aaron he even
took that photo right, correct. And now you're saying he
could have bought two more dress right because you weren't.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
With him, I did say.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
And we just saw you coming out of the nightclub where
you're not even with him, did we. You're behind him, right.

Speaker 5 (01:07:04):
Yes, I was two seconds behind him.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
After telling this jury that as soon as it you
were on it fast, right, correct, those are your words.
You're on it fast, and you got.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Him to go out.

Speaker 5 (01:07:16):
You got him to go out of the club.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Right correct, And you're left together, right yes, not that
Aaron's least first, and he's waiting on you to come
up the stairs.

Speaker 5 (01:07:25):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Correct. I said we left together.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Now you guys go out of the club, right correct.
There's one and there's two. You see those? Yes, so
I'm take a drink, yes, okay, that's him finishing two drinks,
right correct. Well I'm not even gonna get back into that, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
H h. So Now as soon.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
As you walk out of the club, the two of
you begin a discussion, right correct, and Aaron tells you
to keep him out of your ship.

Speaker 21 (01:08:20):
Right objection, it's no overrule, wrong okay, and you claim
that you're the one common Aaron down right correct?

Speaker 5 (01:08:31):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Now at this point you stop, right, you mean what
I'll stop what you saw and you lean into him like.

Speaker 5 (01:08:43):
This, right cancel? Let me show you what sh are.

Speaker 23 (01:08:48):
Yeah, okay, just cliege.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Did you see the movement that you made towards mister Hernandez?

Speaker 5 (01:09:11):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
Can you back it up? Please?

Speaker 5 (01:09:13):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
So I can look.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
I want you to see when you raise your left
hand and you lean into him right there? You see that, yes, okay?
And that's when you're voicing to him, what's going on?

Speaker 24 (01:09:37):
Right, what's going on in regards to what going on
in the plug?

Speaker 5 (01:09:44):
I didn't have to voice to him what's going on.
He was already had an altercation. That's not correct.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Okay, let's move We're gonna move forward a little bit.
You testified earlier that Aaron was upset and he wanted
to go back into cure. Do you recall that testimony, sir, I.

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
Don't recall saying he wanted to go back into cure.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Okay, who's walking ahead? To go away from the situation
in this in this uh? I guess in this video
right here?

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
Yeah, we're that's walking away.

Speaker 5 (01:10:25):
Who's walking ahead?

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
He appears to be a couple of steps in front
of him?

Speaker 5 (01:10:31):
Okay, yah yah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
H yeah, who's the Do you see the you're moving
your hands a lot. Yes, Aaron's not doing that right.

Speaker 5 (01:11:10):
No, not at this point now, Okay, the one who's
doing all of the flailing of the hands, is you right?

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
Objection of flailing?

Speaker 5 (01:11:17):
The jury will decide whether that's your.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Flail moving your hands correct? And you continue to do
that right? You still have your hands out?

Speaker 5 (01:11:34):
Yeah, well, I'm still watching. He's going in slow motion,
but yes, I still have my.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
Hands up still, and you just put them down right there,
right up again?

Speaker 5 (01:11:41):
Correct, see that up again?

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
You are animated as you're speaking to him.

Speaker 5 (01:11:50):
Correct, talking the way I know. If you do, I
move my hands.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Okay, you gotta fast forward this a little bit to
where you covered yesterday. You guys go to the end

(01:12:18):
of the garage and then you come back right correct.
You continue to be animated with your hands in the
air right correct.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
I continue talking.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
And Aaron is just standing there.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (01:12:36):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
It's at this time where you guys decide you're gonna
go to the club across the street, right, correct, and
you're gonna have a good time. Yes, Okay, Aaron wants
to go across the street.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Aaron agrees to go across the street.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
Aaron wants to go across the street.

Speaker 5 (01:13:00):
Sustained in that form, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Let's see if Aaron wants to go across the street.
It's escaped right there. Aaron starts to walk across the street,
does he not.

Speaker 5 (01:13:14):
Yes, he waves his hands and walks across.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
The street exactly. He walks in that direction, and you stop.

Speaker 5 (01:13:21):
Right yeah at that point I stopped right there. Yes,
you're not going with him across the street?

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
Right? Wrong?

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
You're stopped at.

Speaker 5 (01:13:31):
That point right at that point?

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:13:33):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
The one who's walking across to the other club across
the street is Aaron Hernandez right.

Speaker 5 (01:13:38):
Correcttraction across the street is on the sidewalk.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
One who was walking in the direction of the length
club across the street is Aaron Hernandez.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
The one who is not is you correct at that time?
And is that because you have unfinished business at cure. No,
Aaron has to come back and get you right wrong?
You meet up now with Aaron.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
You still are not walking across the street.

Speaker 5 (01:14:17):
Correct?

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
Correct. Neither of us are, and.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
After much discussion you'll finally agree. You finally agree to
go across the street, do you not, sir?

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
Yes, we agree to go across the street.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
MM. Look at y You stop right now right correct?
And you're continuing to debate with eron. That's not a debate, sir,
A you're raising your hands. I'm talking with my hands.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
Okay, So now you guys go across the street right there,
right at one O five thirty four.

Speaker 5 (01:15:05):
Is that accurate?

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Okay. Now let's talk about what happens across the street?

Speaker 5 (01:15:11):
Is is is that that's coming back from across the
street finish ships yes, or that that's going across the
street in one five. Let's play that back.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
Sure, I'm sorry. Twelve forty twelve forty three thirteen.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
Sounds more accurate.

Speaker 12 (01:15:32):
All right, all right, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
So yesterday, yesterday, you testify that when you got back
to the other club, that Aaron thought he saw one
of the guys.

Speaker 5 (01:16:03):
That were in Cure.

Speaker 8 (01:16:04):
No.

Speaker 5 (01:16:05):
Two of the guys. Don't cure across the street and
follow you guys, right.

Speaker 7 (01:16:10):
Wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:16:10):
I didn't say they followed us, like directly across the
street until he got into the club.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
Mr.

Speaker 5 (01:16:15):
Hernandez, and myself as well, at a point thought that
a gentleman from across the street came over there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
You testified that Aaron thought he saw someone across the street, right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:16:27):
And I also testified that I agreed that I thought
someone would come across the street.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
Finking have a course indulgence. My MoMA changed me.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
Now, when you spoke to the police about this, you
told the police that you saw.

Speaker 5 (01:17:27):
Two of the individuals who meetings with across the street. Right.
I may have testified that I do believe that I
saw individual across the street.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
I'm not sure if I said two of 'em are okay?

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
And you specifically told the police that you saw the.

Speaker 5 (01:17:43):
Gentleman with the braids across the street.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
At the other bar with you guys, right, I.

Speaker 5 (01:17:48):
Believe I said, I thought I saw the gentleman with
the braids across the street.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
That's all you said, right, But.

Speaker 5 (01:17:57):
If you're willing to show me, I b that's my
belief that I suh.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
You recall being asked, sir as it relates to the
gentleman across the street, Page twenty eight, lines eight, Council
of the Statement, October eighth, the prophet just the two
of them, and you responded, yeah, I recall two of them.
The one that actually did the hard bump was the

(01:18:22):
first one I noticed across the street, and I think
the other gentleman who wasn't light skin. Only one of
the light skin guys I think came across the street.
The other one, the other gentleman who had a low cut,
who I described earlier, who came there too, and he
noticed them coming in. As soon as they came in,
it was kind of like, see, look, do you call

(01:18:44):
making that statement.

Speaker 5 (01:18:46):
Which is why I asked you to repeat it. I
believe I did, but I wasn't sure exactly what I said.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
So you saw Daniel Debrau across at that bar, right.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
I believe that I did.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Yes. And the other one who he said was not
light skin was tall. That would be mister Sanchez.

Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
I don't know if that was mister Sanchez.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
You stated there was another dark skinned guy who was
about about your height.

Speaker 5 (01:19:12):
You remember saying that. Yes, I believe I said that, okay, So.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
You don't know his name, but you know he was
dark skin and about your height, right, I believe so, yes, okay.
And the two of that came across the street, and
not only did you notice them, you also know told
the police he saw them laughing and having a good time.

Speaker 5 (01:19:33):
Yes, I told the police that we both police that right,
that we believe that. Yes, okay. No, you told the
police that you saw it, right.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
That I believe I saw it, yes, okay, And.

Speaker 5 (01:19:49):
You're aware that that's not true, right, It's not true
that he thought he shot that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
I'll rephrase the question. Have the police informed you, sir,
that the gentlemen who were at here that night never
left heure nightclub and went across the street. No, okay,
so they never informed you that. No, So when you tailored,
when you testify that mister Hernandez thought he saw someone,

(01:20:20):
Saudi thought he saw them across the street, you were
not saying it was mister Hernandez that side you saw
it too, right, I'm shaded in.

Speaker 15 (01:20:30):
That Form's try that again.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
As you sit here today, sir, is it your testimony
that you saw the gentleman with the brakes go across
the street to the other bar with behind you and
mister Hernandez.

Speaker 5 (01:20:55):
As I sit here today, I believe that individual or
two individuals came from across the streets to the bar. Okay,
and then you left that bar twenty minutes later? Right?
If twenty minutes is accurate, I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
All right, Well, let's look, this is twelve forty three.
You guys are still on the sidewalk. I mean, yeah,
twelve forty three. Am you see that?

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
Yep?

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
It's probably this whole still drink incident, just something we're
completely making out visit.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
No.

Speaker 5 (01:21:30):
In fact, well, Frank, you're right, you didn't make it up, right.
Jaction Shaine put a questreet.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Yes, you didn't make it up because you, in fact
did go out with Aaron one night and saw a
guy bump into.

Speaker 5 (01:21:43):
Erin and still a drink.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
All over, right, Jackson, now over, did you beat the question? Please?

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
You in fact did go out with Aaron on another
night and saw guys spill a drink.

Speaker 5 (01:21:53):
On aeron another night, you mean, a different night from
this correct? Not correct, an error, and in fact ended
up buying that guy a drink.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
Not correct.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
And that's where you get in this whole spilled drink
story from, isn't it sir?

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
It's not correct, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
Okay, you're using us to bring it up here, aren't you, sir?

Speaker 5 (01:22:17):
All right?

Speaker 7 (01:22:18):
The objection is sustained in ladies and gentlemen. Let me
remind you it is the testimony of the witness that
determines what facts have been demonstrated. Cannot facts contained within
a question that a witness does not adopt in their answer,
mister bias.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Sir, for the record, I will be bringing that up
at a later time. Now, I want to go back
to the video and where we left off earlier before
the break. Okay, where we left off, you guys had

(01:22:56):
gone to the other club, right, correct? The club where
Daniel day A Bray, you and another individual will never actjection.

Speaker 5 (01:23:08):
I'm sorry put the question against her.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
The club where Daniel ley Abrai, You and the other
individual were not at objection.

Speaker 5 (01:23:16):
Just suestine in that form, rephrase the club.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
Where we covered that you left the club after thinking
you saw Daniel Dave break.

Speaker 5 (01:23:29):
Jaction was another name I know whole world. Sure he
knows the name, right, know? You know the name right now?

Speaker 23 (01:23:37):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
I mean I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:23:39):
I know I've heard the names, but I'm not exactly
sure what individuals are who by.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Needy h Sir?

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
After leaving that club or you thought you saw these individuals?
Did you stay outside it all?

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
After leaving what club?

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
The Second Club?

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:24:00):
I believe, well we did stay outside for how long
would you say you stay outside?

Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
I believe.

Speaker 5 (01:24:09):
We were outside.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
Maybe a hour or so?

Speaker 5 (01:24:15):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
No, no, I'm talking about after leaving the Second Club,
but before getting your car, the car before runner.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
Oh, I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Okay, now it is one O five. Did you see that, sir? Yes, okay,
it's at this point that you decide to go back
and get the Toyota four runner, right.

Speaker 5 (01:24:39):
Yes, that we decided to go get the four Runner? Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
Do you ever walk out again prior to getting the
fore Runner?

Speaker 5 (01:24:51):
After this?

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
Do I ever walk out of where, sir?

Speaker 5 (01:24:56):
Out of the garage?

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
Right here, the two of you are okay. There you
testify that I had after going to the other club
and seeing Daniel day Brady, Aaron.

Speaker 5 (01:25:09):
Got mad, right, Yes, you felt he were. He was
being tried, as you and mister Hagan White to say.

Speaker 7 (01:25:17):
Right jection to sustained in that form as you say, correct, kay, And.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
Did you just see him giving you a fist pump?

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
Yes, I did.

Speaker 5 (01:25:28):
Okay, And right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
There Aaron is furious, isn't he?

Speaker 5 (01:25:33):
He has show no oh hurld at this point. Yes,
he was upset about the incident of just the current.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
And that's what he looks like when when he has
his upset demeanor on right, and.

Speaker 5 (01:25:47):
We were engaging in discussion, so it coulda been he
could have been smiling in the context of a discussion.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
My question to you, sir, and I need you to
listen to the questions. That's the face he makes, but
he has his upset demeanor.

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
No, I don't believe anyone smiles when you're upshet.

Speaker 25 (01:26:03):
So the answer my question is no, no, okay, if
fist pumps you again, right correct, looks pretty happy to you.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
Or at least heyes about something.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
Yes, okay, you guys, and now leave again right correct?
And that's him still upset, right, so upset he.

Speaker 5 (01:26:47):
Could kill someone, right pection, little furders, that's him upset still,
that's him upset right from the prior internet.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
Yes, look so.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
Upset that he's the still wait another hour to kill
some people over us?

Speaker 5 (01:27:02):
Still drink right?

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:27:06):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
Then you guys get the car and this is you,
This is Aaron pulling out of the car, pulling out
of the garage rather, is that correct?

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
Correct?

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
And that's at one seventeen am correct?

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
Correct?

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
Now, yesterday when you testified with mister Hagen, you said
that you guys walked around, you parked somewhere right correct,
And you said that Aaron wanted to get the gun
out of the foot of the car.

Speaker 16 (01:27:48):
Right correct at a point, yes, okay, So he instructed
you to pull the car around and get and so
he can get the gun out, right.

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
He told me to park on the street. Do we
parted on yes?

Speaker 5 (01:28:00):
Okay, but you're not driving here right, no, okay, So.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
It's your testimony. That's on some point you guys changed.
He then started driving it and you then started driving,
and that's why he ordered to need to pull right.

Speaker 5 (01:28:15):
No, we switched driver seats after well, I feel me
to finish.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
And then he went and pulled the gun out of
the engine block right.

Speaker 5 (01:28:24):
Correct, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
And you stated to this jury that you had seen.

Speaker 5 (01:28:31):
Him when he went to pick you up in Manchester.
You saw him put the gun in the engine block right, correct, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
And in the an hour and a half trip, that
gun never fell out of the engine correct.

Speaker 5 (01:28:43):
Didn't hit any speed bumps or anything like that. I
don't know if we hit speed bums, but the gun
didn't fall out of the engine correct, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
And you saw him put the gun in the engine
block right in Manchester, correct okay. And that's what you
you've testified at the grand jury, correct okay. And that's
what you told the jury, the ladies and gentlemen the
jury today.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
Right correct?

Speaker 5 (01:29:07):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
Do you remember prior to uh going into the grand
jury that had you give another statement to the police.

Speaker 5 (01:29:17):
I know there was an interview, right the interview, Do
you remember that, Yes, I do remember an interview, and
that was on October eighteenth, right, total eighth, I believe,
or earlier date in the eighteenth I believe, and October eighth.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
Actually you gave an interview as well, right, I that
was the first interview.

Speaker 3 (01:29:45):
October eighth was the interview?

Speaker 5 (01:29:46):
Correct?

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
Okay, if you could, if I can have just a

(01:30:09):
moment judging when I find the right do you recall

(01:30:30):
being asked that did Aaron normally keep well, let me
ask you the question that you were asked that day, uh,
page thirty one, we can hear uh October eighth, mind
fourteen question do you know him to keep a gun?
There before?

Speaker 5 (01:30:50):
Answer?

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
I knew when he drove down from mass that he
probably had a gun in in in the I mean
if he had a gun, that's where it would have
been in the engine. Correct, Okay, And you're talking hypothetically
if if he had a gun that I mean, if
if he had a gun, that's where it would be

(01:31:12):
in the engine. Right, speaking hypothetically.

Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
Here because of the situation at he and correct?

Speaker 5 (01:31:18):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
And then the question no, no, if he had one
at the time when he drove to Manchester or are
you just thinking he did? They're asking you at that point,
do you know or are you just thinking he may have?

Speaker 5 (01:31:34):
Do you remember that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
Question thinking he may have?

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
What had a gun in the engine block?

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
You're the time.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
Line eighteen. Your answer, no, when he drove to Manchester,
I didn't know for sure that he had a gun
at all. Do you remember giving that answer?

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
I don't recall, but if it's there, I'm sure his
answer I gave.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
Okay, would you like to see it?

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
Take your word for work.

Speaker 5 (01:32:02):
Okay. So then.

Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
On page thirty three, council, you're asked, and what did
you say to him when you saw the gun? And
your answer is, nah, I can't remember exactly what I said.
You know, I was a little shocked. I can't remember

(01:32:35):
making a specific exact comment, Like if I said, I
might be lying. If I said that, I might be lying.

Speaker 5 (01:32:43):
If I said I'm making that statement, Yes, if I
said I made a certain comment, i'd be lying because
I don't recall what said. I was a little shocked
that he had to die. Call making that statement.

Speaker 3 (01:32:54):
I don't recall that part, but if that's what he says.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
So seven days before the grand jury, you tell the
police that you didn't know he had the gun.

Speaker 5 (01:33:06):
You were kind of shocked, that he had a gun, right,
she wittshide guarn you were shocked.

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
You're stating in this state though, that you were shocked
when you saw the gun for the first time after
he took the gun out of the engine block.

Speaker 5 (01:33:20):
Correct. I didn't believe it. That's a reference to when
he took it out of the block. I thought that's
when he came to Manchester. I thought that's what I
just read. We were talking about when he took it
out of the engine block. Would you like to see
the guy.

Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
Yes, please? He figured out.

Speaker 5 (01:33:45):
When he got back in the car he had the gun.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
Okay, Yeah, did you see that story?

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:33:52):
Okay, So you were shocked because.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
You didn't know he had the gun. That's what you
told the police are on October eighth, Right.

Speaker 5 (01:34:04):
No, I don't recall telling him I was shocked because
I didn't know he had a gun. That's is that
at the time in Boston already? Yes, in Boston. I
don't recall saying that. And if I did, it was
just a mix up. Right. So now you're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
It was just a mix up that while the police
are interviewing you and you're describing uh Aaron asking you
to pull over to get the gun out of the
engine block that you were confused.

Speaker 5 (01:34:35):
Injection asking to pull over?

Speaker 8 (01:34:36):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (01:34:37):
Standing in that form, Now.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
Sir, you've been shown this gun multiple times, right, ye
been shown this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
I was the one that purchased the gun. Kay.

Speaker 5 (01:34:51):
Right, you bought the three fifty seven Magna Freer right.

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
And as we've seen here today, you know quite a
bit about guns, right, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
I have some knowledge. You've got to correct.

Speaker 5 (01:35:02):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
And you've had all kinds of guns, objection sustained in
that form, had various kinds of guys.

Speaker 5 (01:35:10):
Objection sustained you own at that time you owned various
types of guns. Objection covered this spectified to this Uh nah, no,
chustained in that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
Form the course of your life type thirty you are old.

Speaker 5 (01:35:28):
You know who's types of uh? Objection post there's knowledge
of customer overruled for that question.

Speaker 3 (01:35:41):
Yes, I have owned different types of hunts.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
And you know the difference between a three fifty seven
magnum and a thirty eight.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
Right, I l like to believe so they's they're similar, kay.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
And when you talk to the police, you specifically told
on three fifty seven A right, yes, and you told
him it was shiny, yes, didn't tell him it was
a one hundred and four year old thirty eight, right.

Speaker 5 (01:36:12):
No, I didn't believe the gun I purchased was one
hundred and four year old thirty eight. You would that's
something you would take note of, right, I like to believe.

Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
Yes, based on your knowledge of guns, you would spots.

Speaker 5 (01:36:25):
I guess an old gun.

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
Like that, right, Yes, I believe so.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
And in your second interview, the police showed you a
photo of the gun, right, correct, and you specifically told them, sir,
I don't think that's the weapon, correct, okay. And then
later on in front of the grand jury, you were
showing that gun again, right correct. You asked them to
turn it around. You wanted to look to get a
better look at it. Correct, And you specifically told the

(01:36:51):
grand jury that's not the gun, correct, okay. And then
court yesterday you still say that's not the right correct.

Speaker 3 (01:37:01):
I didn't believe it was the gun, right.

Speaker 5 (01:37:08):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
Now, under your complete and accurate clause of the of
your community ladder, if that in fact is the gun,
that's not accurate.

Speaker 5 (01:37:24):
Right. Attractions Seine.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
Has as a result of you identifying another gun, has
the state indicated to you that they are pulling with
your immunity, agree, s Stein. Now, the next time you

(01:37:55):
were shown any video from one seventeen is not until
approximately an hour later?

Speaker 5 (01:38:01):
Correct? I don't recall exactly like how long the video
was later? Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
This is you exiting the garage at one sixteen, right.

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
I believe that's mister Hernandez exiting the garage.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
Two of you exiting the garage at one sixteen, yes, okay.
And then do you recall being questioned yesterday a mister
Hagen about a car pulling by at approximately an hour later?

Speaker 3 (01:38:30):
Right? I believe?

Speaker 5 (01:38:34):
So, okay, if our leader's accurate, let me get let
me get to the exact time.

Speaker 11 (01:38:40):
Did you.

Speaker 5 (01:38:55):
That car right there? Right? Correct? Okay? So an hour
and two minutes? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
Correct?

Speaker 5 (01:39:04):
Has a state.

Speaker 1 (01:39:06):
Commonwealth of Massachusetts showing you any video to you or
Aaron Hernandez for that missing time between one's sixteen am
and two eighteen am?

Speaker 5 (01:39:16):
No, So there's no.

Speaker 1 (01:39:20):
Video or anything any anything documenting you're whereabouts during.

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
That one out, not that I've seen, no, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:39:27):
And it's your testimony that you were parked outside, parked
outside looking for girls, waiting for the clubs they let
out waiting for the letut.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
And wish the women would come out of the club.

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
And this is after Aaron goes in and gets the
glove the gun out of the glovebox, right correct. Okay,
So Aaron goes in the in the hood of the car,
gets a gun, puts it in the glove box in
the glove compartment, and you want to go look for.

Speaker 5 (01:39:56):
Girls, now, yes, that's what I do, sir. Okay. So
this's t the.

Speaker 1 (01:40:05):
The the video that comes up next.

Speaker 5 (01:40:10):
I'm gonna fast forward it a little bit. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:41:10):
Do you recall going on with this video with mister
Hagan approximately at this time?

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
Oh? Yes, I've been through this video before him.

Speaker 5 (01:41:16):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:41:17):
And there are two images or there's there's some images
there that you flame as you and miss Naz.

Speaker 5 (01:41:24):
Right, I can't really see the images, right, No, not
from this point right now.

Speaker 1 (01:41:36):
In fact, you really can't spot yourself at all. You're
just you see an article that you believe is what
you were wearing. Right, You don't see your face?

Speaker 5 (01:41:46):
Well, I s spotted myself on his video screen. My
question is you don't see your face?

Speaker 1 (01:41:51):
Oh no, I don't see why you see what you
believe is an article of clothing that that looks like
what you were wearing that night.

Speaker 5 (01:41:57):
Right, Yes, I did, but not from this view. I
can't see anything right now.

Speaker 1 (01:42:03):
And at this point is where you're going walking around
looking for girls.

Speaker 5 (01:42:06):
Right, I've been outside at that point you look at
waiting for women to come out.

Speaker 1 (01:42:12):
But as you walk over here into the tough scarage,
you're looking for girls.

Speaker 5 (01:42:18):
I can't see myself walking inside of the tough garage.

Speaker 1 (01:42:20):
Sure you recalled going over this yesterday, sir, Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:42:25):
Not, counsel. I think it may be the one. Still,
I realized that i'm a pree speech.

Speaker 1 (01:42:31):
And it is at this point you want the ladies
and gentlemen of the jury to believe that you're looking
for girls.

Speaker 5 (01:42:39):
No, you may answer.

Speaker 3 (01:42:42):
Yes when the club is let out, I'm waiting to
see women.

Speaker 1 (01:42:45):
Okay, So you walk into the tough scarage looking for women.

Speaker 24 (01:42:49):
Right, that's you there, Yes, I can see myself now
now you're walking in front, right, it appears that way. Yes, Okay,
whoever's behind you, behind you right.

Speaker 3 (01:43:03):
Close to me, I can't believe.

Speaker 1 (01:43:04):
Okay, you're leading the way so to speak, right.

Speaker 3 (01:43:09):
No, sir, I'm not leading the way.

Speaker 5 (01:43:10):
We're walking side by side into the garage.

Speaker 1 (01:43:12):
Well, let's go back a little bit. Ye, who's walking
in front?

Speaker 5 (01:43:25):
We're walking side by side.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
Okay, you don't see just yourself right now?

Speaker 3 (01:43:29):
Now I appear to be as.

Speaker 1 (01:43:31):
Someone's behind you right there, right, No on aside to
be now at the side of you, on the side
of each other.

Speaker 5 (01:43:41):
We'll go over one more time. Now inside the garage,

(01:44:15):
did you encounter any girls?

Speaker 3 (01:44:17):
Not that I recall?

Speaker 5 (01:44:18):
Kay? Were there girls wogging around?

Speaker 3 (01:44:21):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (01:44:22):
What do you mean on the whole strip inside the garage?
I reintoed that. No, sir, not in the garage. And
you stay in there for a little bit, don't you.

Speaker 3 (01:44:30):
Uh, that's what you can see. The time's running.

Speaker 1 (01:44:32):
Okay, you're still in there right now, right, yes?

Speaker 5 (01:44:36):
Kay? Do you talk to any girls?

Speaker 3 (01:44:39):
Not that I recall?

Speaker 5 (01:44:40):
Kay? Uh, did you walk in you can't see yourself
right nope? Kay?

Speaker 1 (01:44:46):
Oh right, And it's your testimony that you had no
time ever see anyone that you recognize.

Speaker 3 (01:44:56):
Yes, that's my testimony, kay.

Speaker 5 (01:45:00):
And then you.

Speaker 18 (01:45:01):
Later testified that it's not until you guys are at
the car and Aaron sees a BMW drive by that
he says, look, there they go.

Speaker 3 (01:45:13):
It's not true. It's not what I said, sir.

Speaker 5 (01:45:14):
Okay, well tell us what you said that I said
it when he first said let's go, let's go, there
they go, I didn't notice the BMW with that point yet. Okay,
you didn't notice the BMW at.

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
All, right, at that point, No, but Aaron recognized the
BMW right, correct.

Speaker 5 (01:45:32):
Okay, And prior to that moment in time, you had
no idea that these guys drove in a BMW right correct.
In fact, you had no discussions with Aaron.

Speaker 1 (01:45:45):
Hernanda is saying, hey, those guys are in a BMW, right, correct.
And it's not until they're driving by that you that
Aaron says to you, let's go, let's go, let's go.

Speaker 5 (01:45:57):
They're they're they're in a BMW. Yes, I said.

Speaker 3 (01:46:00):
The point you noticed him is when I.

Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
Know And Aaron never voiced to you that he knew
these guys from anywhere, right.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
He just said, there they go, is what he said.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
A question to you is Aaron never voiced to you
that he knew these guys, you mean, prior to coming
to Boston time.

Speaker 5 (01:46:18):
No, at no point did he say I know these guys.

Speaker 1 (01:46:21):
And on top of that, he certainly didn't tell you
these guys that I know tribal bow right.

Speaker 5 (01:46:29):
Right, Okay. Now, yesterday you talked about the City.

Speaker 1 (01:46:33):
Of Angels guys, right, some guys wearing T shirts were
the City of Angel right, correct?

Speaker 5 (01:46:39):
Okay. And you said that there's usually a whole pocket
of them, a.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
Bunch of guys, correct, okay, and that they're always harassing.

Speaker 3 (01:46:45):
Ere I never said that they're always harassing.

Speaker 5 (01:46:47):
Are okay? Well, you said they encountered it, are right.
I said they stared at each other eye contact, but
they that he feels they try there were fine, correct.

Speaker 1 (01:47:05):
Do you recall telling the police uh to eighth that
after the shooting, you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
Drove through total right, correct?

Speaker 5 (01:47:15):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:47:16):
And you told the the police then too that the
tot boot driver had a City of Angels T shirt
on him.

Speaker 3 (01:47:21):
Yes, I believe he did, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:47:23):
So this tot booth guy was also one of this
I guess these the gang of guys that s that don't.

Speaker 5 (01:47:31):
Like Aaron Hernandez injection. If that's the way you look it, manser, Well,
my understanding was that they just wore City of Angel shirts.
I never implicated that they were a gang or some type.

Speaker 1 (01:47:47):
Of what you showed photos to the j to the jury,
you showed you guys went over and showed a bunch
of photos some individuals wearing T shirts.

Speaker 5 (01:48:04):
They said City of Angels, right, correct, And this told
booth guy just happened to be wearing one of those too, right. Yes,
and this is the grand coincidence. That's something you noticed
because of.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
Course you felt that Aaron had a beef with the
City of Angels.

Speaker 5 (01:48:22):
Guys, I noticed because I rode through the toe booth
and the gentleman's right there, okay, And he had a
City of Angels T shirt that the toe both guy, right, Yes,
it is my belief that he had a City of
Angel T shirt. Were you made aware that he spoke
to the toll booth guy?

Speaker 3 (01:48:37):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:48:38):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:48:38):
So did they ever tell you, hey, your City of
Angels story is not checking out.

Speaker 5 (01:48:45):
No, you may answer that question.

Speaker 1 (01:48:48):
No, okay, So they never They never advised you that
they went and spoke to a city of spoke to
a tob booth guyms no.

Speaker 5 (01:48:56):
T shirt that says city Attection.

Speaker 15 (01:48:57):
You know, baprosweat on this shave line of hintquord.

Speaker 8 (01:49:16):
Yes, yes, sure, right, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:49:30):
My approach.

Speaker 1 (01:49:31):
Yeah, I'm gonna show you some polos various individuals wearing
City of Angels attire. Do you see these?

Speaker 3 (01:49:43):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:49:43):
Kay?

Speaker 1 (01:49:44):
And is this a fair and actor representation of the
City of Angels t shirts and and and clothing?

Speaker 5 (01:49:50):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:49:51):
Okay, I have these marked as a chalk you're.

Speaker 7 (01:49:57):
Uh, yes, we'll receive them as oh oh oh oh oh.

Speaker 5 (01:50:02):
It s three four pages together. Uh what do we
clip them together? Should hear everything?

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
I'll I'll be wrapping it up quick. Do you recognize
any of these people in these photographs that's having a

(01:50:55):
beef for thereon Hernandez wearing the City of Angels attire?

Speaker 5 (01:50:58):
No, how about these these individuals?

Speaker 1 (01:51:08):
Any of these have a beef where they are in
hernandos and nightclubs wearing City of Angels attire?

Speaker 5 (01:51:13):
No? What about here?

Speaker 1 (01:51:21):
No any of these kids here?

Speaker 3 (01:51:23):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:51:29):
What about any of the individuals here with the City
of Angel's attire?

Speaker 5 (01:51:32):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:51:33):
Okay, you sure none of these people you saw them
having a beef with their and Hernandez staring 'em down?

Speaker 3 (01:51:41):
No, I don't recall, Kay, I didn't say it, but.

Speaker 8 (01:52:00):
I solemn row

Speaker 3 (01:52:06):
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