Bad Boys: Aaron Hernandez Part 7

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey everyone, and welcome back to Exposed Scandalous Files of
the Elite. I'm your host, Jim Chapman, and today we
are continuing in the bad Boy series with episode seven
in the continued testimony of Alexander Bradley. Now, the last
time that I left you, Bradley got absolutely hammered by

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the defense on the Boston shooting and he also got
hammered on his statements he made to police where he
was questioned about that shooting. Now in today's testimony, he
is questioned by the defense regarding when Aaron shot him,
and they focused on the statements he made in his
civil deposition. Now, this is the last episode I'm doing

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regarding Bradley's testimony. He's going to complete that testimony today.
So in the next episode, I'm going to cover the
verdict in the Boston shootings case as well as the aftermath.
And we're going to go ahead and probably in the
next two or three episodes wrap this whole series up.
But here's the clipse of the finalization, if you will,

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of Alexander Bradley's testimony on the night you.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Got shot on February thirteen, twenty thirteen.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
It's your testimony that there were four of you. Correct. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
You testified that when you were in the car, you
were in the backseat.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
Rear passenger, Yes, rear passenger.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
There was another guy to your left.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Correct, Aaron was in the front passenger, correct, and this
GP guy was driver.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Right correct. There weren't more individuals with you, No, sure
more individuals didn't go with you to tutsis.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Not that particular night, no, sir, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
And when you go there, they give you a wristband, right.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
Correct. They did that that night. I had a riskband.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
To get in that area, you have to. I guess
it's like a special risk Fand that says next level.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Correct, you're one of the next level.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
I don't know if that's why we go upstairs the
next level right, yes, to the second floor.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Okay, may approach the witness.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
I'm showing. You can give me your drink pleas a
uh receipt? Can you check read to the ladies and
gentlemen of the.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Jury of the date February thirteen, okay, And the.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Top of the document says, what.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
Sir, Miami Square Garden one Incorporated.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Really says Miami Garden is Square one right, correct? Okay?

Speaker 2 (02:57):
And apparently it gives you the item.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Correct, And what does it say? Next level twenty bucks?
Next level of twenty says next level twenty dollars five times?

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Okay, So there's a quantity of five different UH purchases
to go to the next level.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
It's correct. Correct?

Speaker 2 (03:20):
And you mentioned that Aaron was the one buying that night, right.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
And in this exhibit three oh six, you see Aaron's
driver's license correct and his visa card correct, and you
see the purchase for the next level tickets.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
To go to the VIP room.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
I see, yes, I see five next level purchases of
twenty dollars correct.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
And it's your testimony that only four of you were
partying that night, not five, correct, it is kay. And
in fact, there were more guys there that w that
evening with you, weren't there.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
I don't believe that's correct.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
More more guys and more cars, right, I don't believe
that's correct. But this receipt says five correct. Correct.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Now it's your testimony, sir, that after leaving Tutsis you
left your phone correct, and you got in the car
with Aaron and three other individuals right, correct?

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
And actually aeron in two other individuals Aeron and two
other individuals not three?

Speaker 5 (04:45):
Not three?

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Two?

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Okay, I'm sorry, if you're right, two other individuals. Okay. So,
and you said that you fell asleep.

Speaker 6 (04:56):
At a point, yes, And and that you have this
ability and when a car stops.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
You wake up.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
Yes. I do wake up when cars stop moving, Okay.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Cars rocky to sleep, and when they stop, you wake up.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
I don't always go to sleep, but if I do
fall asleep in the car, usually when I hit a
destination in the car stops, I wake up.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Kay. Do you recall giving a civil a civil deposition
in this case?

Speaker 4 (05:28):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (05:29):
I do, okay, And that was on January thirteenth, two
thousand and sixteen, right.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Correct, Kay? And do you recall being asked this question? Sir?

Speaker 2 (05:40):
You don't know though, if the car might have made
any other stops right before you were shot.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Right?

Speaker 2 (05:46):
And do you recall giving the answer? I can't definitely
say no. Do you recall giving that answer?

Speaker 4 (05:52):
I don't recall, but if that's what it says, then
that's accurate.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Okay. How about this question? Okay, So you don't know it.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
May Aaron left the car prior to you being shot, right,
And do you recall giving the answer prior to me
being shot?

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Question?

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yes, and you're given the answer no, I can't say
whether he did or didn't.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
I don't call saying that.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
But if that's what it says, then that's accurate.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Well, let's let's confirm it so there's no less understanding.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Page one, twenty four, Council line twenty three. Can you
read the highlight of portion online twenty three and confirm
to the ladies and gentlemen of the jury that you
in fact gave that answer.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
It says, no, I can't say whether he did or
did it. That's the answer I gave.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
So in your in your civiltle deposition where your purposes
to sue Aaron trying to get money from him, you
can't even say under oath whether he left the car
prior to you being shot.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Correct. Correct?

Speaker 2 (07:02):
But today you come before this jury after getting your
deal and say, Aaron Hernandez shot.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
You, Jason, to guess when you got the deal?

Speaker 7 (07:12):
Seed is to performing the questions.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
So you testified under direct examination that Aaron Hernandez shot you.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Correct. Let's talk a little bit about the shooting, sir.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
I'm gonna show you a series of photographs so we
can explain to the ladies and.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Gentlemen of the jury a little bit better of the
location where you were shot. Okay, Okay. Does this look
like the alley where you believe you were shot? Yes,
that is Dali. Okay. Is that a fair and acurate
representation from that alley? Yes? Okay.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Here's another photograph kind of a little more close stuff closer.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Is that the alley stir it appears to be yes, okay.
And another photograph after that.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
Yes, that appears to be the alley.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Okay. I have these marked as an exhibit current.

Speaker 8 (08:25):
Okay, these being the three photographs.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yes, all right?

Speaker 7 (08:29):
What if we marked from three oh seven, A, B,
and C all being different and s.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
So we can all have a perspective. I just want
to go over the general directionality of things.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
Okay, that's fine.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
This is a warehouse area, correct, Yes, there's nothing for
warehouses around there.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
I know it's an industrial area, okay.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
And when we refer to an alley, you're referring it
down here, correct, Yes, that's an alleyway okay.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
And it's your testimony. It was your testimony under direct
examination that this is a fence area here, correct, correct,
And that after being shot, you got up from this
fence area.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Well, you were shot inside the car, right.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yes, But that that view, I've never seen his view.
There's another view.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Okay, we'll get into that. I don't want to.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
Because I just can't decipher what's end, you know, based
on his view.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Okay, we'll go back and forth and when you can
point that out.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
So it's your testimony that you're in the car, car stops,
you wake up, and Aaron shoots you right correct, okay,
and he shoots you inside the car, correct, okay.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
And then Aaron and another guy push you out of
the car. Right.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
Aaron is just another guy and pushing me out of
the car, correct, Okay.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
And the gun you used to shoot you was a
semi automatic right, correct?

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Okay, that you remember I know for a fact. That
I know for a fact, all right.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
And then you when you get pushed out of the car,
you fall over here.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
I can't confirm that from this view. Justus what I
was trying to tell you earlier.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Okay, this is the other angle. I'm gonna show you
another photograph you see right over here, like these tanks, yes,
white tanks.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yes. Show you a picture from another angle outward. I
guess this is the other view of the opposite view.
Do you see that? Yes? Okay? You see the crime
scene tape back here? Yes? Okay.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Does that kind of give you a little more general
of the direction or should I show you some more photographs.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
If if that's where the the the alley is familiar
to me, But I just never s saw these angles
of the you know, these pictures, so I can't really
from that angle, like, I can't tell myself exactly what
the vehicle was. And there I'm remember, there's a fence
right next to me. There's a better picture somewhere, there's
there's a there's a better picture with a fence and

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a cap on the ground. Okay, that's the fence area right, correct.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
You see your hat down here? Correct?

Speaker 2 (11:32):
And you see some blood over here on the piping, yes, okay,
and some blood over here.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yes, mkay.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Now you fell down to the ground here right in
that area.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yes, say, And that's what possible. And that's what I guess.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Your blood spattered over to the other side of the
fence there right like.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
A zoom in, I see blood on other side of
the fence.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yes, alright, that's your blood. Right, let me zoom in
a little bit more. I'm showing you now three owaight.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Yes, that's my blood.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Okay, I'm gonna show you Exhibit three O eight B.
That's your blood there on the other side of the fence. Yes, okay, So.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Whatever happened, you had enough impact for the blood to
go on to the other side of the fence right
when you hit the ground.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
I'm not an expert. You're asking me to answer a
question that I can.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
But you didn't wipe that out intentionally over there, right.
You didn't do anything extra to get the blood on
the other side of the fence, right.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
No, I just recall grabbing that fence in that fence
area to pull myself up.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Okay, now you can sens I approach the witness.

Speaker 9 (13:01):
You may, I'll show you a couple more photos, Hm.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
I approach. Okay, I'm gonna show you a couple more photographs.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Does that appear to be an accurate repre uh, A
fair and accurate representation of your hat in the fence area?

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yes? Okay.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
And this second photograph I'm showing you same thing. Put
a little bit more out yes.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Kay.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Another a third photo, but again a little bit more out, yes,
And a fourth photo a little bit more of a
close up.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yes okay.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Now, sir, you told the police that you were shot
in the car, right, correct, And you told this jury
that you were shot in the car, right correct.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
And yet.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Then you had your hat on while you got shot, right.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
I don't remember if I had my hat on when
I got shot.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
But somehow your hat ended up outside the fa outside
in the fence area.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Right apparently, so, yes.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
And that is in fact where you were actually shot, right.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
No, I was shot and shot in a vehicle, like
I informed.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
You, okay. And the police never recovered that vehicle, right.
I wouldn't know, sir. They never advised you that they
never recovered any vehicle. No, I was never advised to that, okay.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
And you didn't when when they were pushing you out
of the car. You didn't say to them at any time, hey,
let me get my hat.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
At the time, I just recall my ears ringing, I
didn't say anything, okay, to the best of my memory, you.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Can say, hey, let me get my hat. I need
to get my hat. No, I was shot in the head, okay.
And your hat was on your head.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Or you don't know.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
Again, I'm not sure if my hat was on my head.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
What is this, sir?

Speaker 4 (15:20):
That appears to be shellcasing?

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Okay, shellcasing to a uh to a bullet? Right? Correct? Okay?
And the police recovered that bullet shellcasing?

Speaker 4 (15:35):
Are you telling me they did? I'm asking if you
know I believe so if there's an evidence market there,
I would say, yes, I would guess that they did.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Okay, Yes, do you know? I know?

Speaker 4 (15:44):
I don't know definitively that they recovered that.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
And do you see that that shellcasing is outside in
the grassy area and not.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Inside the car?

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (15:54):
I do. And when a semi.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Automatic fires ago we went over your knowledge of guns yesterday.
When a the a semi automatic fire is a gun
shellcasing comes out of the gun.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Correct, That is correct?

Speaker 2 (16:10):
And in this case it ended up outside in the
grassy area near your hat.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Right.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
Yes, I don't see my hat, but yes I see
the shellcasing. If my hat's right by the here, correct?

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Okay, you wouldn't argue with that though, right, No.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
I wouldn't argue if my hat's right by there, the
shellcasion is by my hat.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Okay, Kay, I'm showing you Exhibit three on nine B,
which is the shellcasing. Do you see that that is
marked at given the uh evidence marker number one?

Speaker 4 (16:42):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Kay?

Speaker 2 (16:44):
And this is a far out shot, which is Exhibit
three on nine Hey.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Do you see your hat there? Yes, that appears a
marker that says number one. Yes, that appears to be
my hat. Okay.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
So would you agree that evidence marker number one is
next to your hot yes?

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Okay. Now, this is an area.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
I wanna kind of give you a I wanna go
over the alley way again. This is an area and then.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Throw show you three H seven A.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Would you now agree, sir that the area in question
that we're talking about is this area.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Right here near the fence.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Kay.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
And when you say you walk down the alley after
getting up you got up here and you walk down
this alley, correct, I believe so, Dad, you walked all
the way to the end of the alley, right, yes kay?

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Then he came back right, we walked all the way
back here.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
I just recall walking to the end of the alley.
I don't recall like doing it back and forth or
something like that.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
When you walk down this area, sir, did you hide
your gun? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (18:14):
All right, No, you may answer me, sir and have
your gun.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Okay, So there's there's no gun for you to hide
over there, right absolutely, now, okay, sir. So after walking
down this area, do you recall walking back?

Speaker 4 (18:34):
I just recall walking to the end of the alley
to get help, to get help.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
If someone to show you another photograph that might help
you out.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Do you see this bloodied area over here?

Speaker 4 (18:45):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Okay, there's no alley way between that over this area,
this spense area and here correct, correct, and the alley
would be this way right correct. So is it fair
to say, sir, that you walk down this alley over
there and then walk back and ultimately collapsed over here?

Speaker 3 (19:10):
It's possible. Okay. I'll show you.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Another close up shot and I am showing for the record,
uh exhibit three ten E. Is that blood, sir?

Speaker 3 (19:23):
It appears to be believe that's your blood on the pavement.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
I'm not sure, but I mean it could.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Be anybody else bleeding out there that day.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
I wouldn't know, but I knew I was bleeding a
lot out there today.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Okay, And that's your blood, right I I'll strike the court.
I if you don't know, you.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
Know, I'm not sure if that's my blood.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
No, okay, Now, sir, after being shot in Florida, you
did not cooperate.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
With the police, correct, correct, And that's because you to
know who shot you.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
That is incorrect.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Okay, that's incorrect, right right?

Speaker 2 (20:07):
You knew who shot you most certainly, and you knew
the details of who shot you.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
And how extensively. Okay, And.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
You refuse to cooperate with the police, right, correct? Again,
you then began to bless you.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
You then consulted with a lawyer.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yes, at some point okay, and then you said all
those text messages.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
That we went over right.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
At some point, yes, okay?

Speaker 3 (20:38):
And your intent was to get money from Aaron Ornandez.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
At a point that became my intent.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yes, okay, I know we know you wanted to kill
him too, right, Yes, because you're a killera sustine.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Now, sir.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
After wanting to kill him and take his money or
sue him for money, you also sued CNN.

Speaker 10 (21:06):
Right, I'll see you what side the tact to be
sustained if you are to dis here the question?

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Now, sir, you didn't you didn't cooperate with the police. Right, correct,
And then later on the Florida police, after you cut
your deal, came and tried to speak with you again.

Speaker 7 (21:35):
Right, objection, Let's stay as the form of the good Okay.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
October eighth, two thousand and thirteen. You had your profit
with mister Hagen, correct. Okay, you got immunity on the
eighteenth of October two thousand and thirteen.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Correct, And then the Florida police came calling. Right, they
came to see you.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Not correct, not after you.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
No, they continued to see you in Massachusetts. Right, they
came up here.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
Yes, but before long before that that a profit agreement
in community, way before that. And that's subsequent to that, right,
subsequent to me being shot in Florida.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
No, subsequent to you having your deal, your immunity deal.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
No, you got the timeframes wrong, so it wouldn't be subsequently.
Prior to me receiving immunity. They came and.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
You refused to cooperate with them. That that is correct.
And you had already sued Aaron Hernanadas I believe so.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Okay, So you were already making it public that he
shot you, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Way public.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
At some point they lawsuits a public record, right, yes,
it is, okay, And the police knew that you were
claiming Aaron was the shooter, right, correct, okay, But you
still did not want to cooperate with the police.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
Right, I still didn't cooperate with the police.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Still to this day, you have not cooperated with.

Speaker 7 (23:07):
The Florida police, correct, Okay.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
And that's because you know that those who you were
dealing drugs with in Florida will kill you if you
were to testify or give any information about your drug
dealings in Florida. Isn't that right, circuit?

Speaker 2 (23:19):
And shee is the form of the question, And that's
because of your fear of retaliation from those in Florida.

Speaker 11 (23:28):
Right now, you may answer that.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Absolutely not the case. I have no fear of retaliation.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
You testified that the reason you didn't cooperate was because
you don't snitch.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
Because I didn't want to handle that matter with mister
Hernandez that way.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
And because you don't snitch.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
You recall mister Hagen asking you about your code.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
No refresh my memory.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Please, Mister Hagen asked you that that's not what you do,
because that's not your code.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Right.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
I believe he's I believe he I don't call him
saying those exact words, I believe, tell him, mister Hagen,
that's not how I wanted to go about dealing with
the situation.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
You know, it's your it's your contention, though, sir, that
you don't snitch.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Right, Jorge has an answer.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
No, you may answer that question. Yes, it's my contention
that I do not believe in snitching.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
And you, well, what are you doing right now? Got
sustain Alright?

Speaker 2 (24:32):
You talk about in all your text messages about not
being a snitch and not being a rat, right, correct? Okay,
And you went through this whole thing with mister Agan
about snitching and rioting and all that.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Right, I went through the texting.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
I believe you're credit okay, And.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
You would agree that snitching and rioting is dangerous business
and the drug dealing great, right, No, you may answer
if you had a view on that. I believe it
can be.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
It could be very dangerous if you're if you're talking
to the police, other drug dealers may want to come
and kill you.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Right, It's possible.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
You testified a moment.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Ago, so the ladies and gentlemen of the jury about
knowing who shot you, right, correct?

Speaker 3 (25:34):
And all of the details about who shot you and how? Right? Correct? Okay?

Speaker 2 (25:39):
You recalled given your we we've testified about a lot
of text messages.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
And things like that from your phone that was extracted,
right correct. Okay?

Speaker 2 (25:49):
And do you remember I'm referring to exhibit BBBB sending
this text? Now, you're sure once I withdraw this lawsuit
that it won't be that I won't be held on
per after I tell the court the truth about me
not realizing recalling anything about.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Who shot me. Let's see you it's so far. Yeah, hey, sir, uh,
you recall.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Turning over your phone to the police, yes, okay? And
you recall signing this consent to sies and search. Yes
you remember, mister Hagen Durings direct. I questioned you about it,
about how you were kind enough to waive your rights
on this phone.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Oh yes, okay.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
And this is your signature, correct, And this is the
signature of your lawyer, right, yes, okay. And the name
of your lawyer is mister Pickering, right correct? Okay, Robert Pickering?

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Correct? And you call him pick correct?

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Kay? This text message is to what numbers are?

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (27:10):
Eight six zero nine, two two five two ninety seven?

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Sorry? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
And the name underneath it says pick Pick and that's
how you refer to your lawyer.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
And you had a communication with your lawyer asking him
for legal advice, right, correct? And you know that when
you speak to your lawyer, everything is confidential, correct unless
you waive it like you did here.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Correct. Okay. You also deleted this message, did you not?
I don't know if I deleted it. Did you recall
deleting this message?

Speaker 4 (27:57):
No, I don't recall deleting it. I wouldn't have to,
there's no reason to.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
So it's your testimony that you would not have deleted
this message that says, now you're sure. Well, now you're
sure once I withdraw this lawsuit that won't be held
on perjury, after I tell the court the truth about
me not recalling anything. You see the word anything in there, sir?

Speaker 5 (28:22):
Correct?

Speaker 3 (28:23):
About who shot me? Do you remember that? Yes? I
remember that text. Okay, mister Bradley.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
I want to tie up a couple of things before
we conclude. First of all, do you remember the questions
that we referenced in regards.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
To Jamaar Durham. Yes, okay.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
I'm going to show you a police reporter, I'd like
for you to review it and see if this refreshes
your recollection. As to mister Durham, Okay, sir, you testified
to the jury that after the shooting on July sixteen,
twenty twelve, that you never use the Toyota four erunner again.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Do you recall that testimony?

Speaker 4 (29:10):
Yes, I believe I do.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Okay, And do.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
You recall giving a statement in your profit one where
you got the deal when asked did you ever page
ninety seven, Council won thirteen, Did you ever see the
car again after that night? And do you recall giving
the answer?

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:32):
To be honest, I may have even driven it after
because what's throwing me off is the fact that I
know that they came to the stadium and asked for
the car.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
At some point.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
It must have been, you know, back out, and I
think that's when when he dropped it off over there
and put it in the garage. I mean, I wasn't
with him, but when he did it, he that's what
would have happened.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
That's where it was. Do you recall give them that
Statement's that answer, sir?

Speaker 4 (30:02):
No, I don't recall, but if that's what it shares
and that's what I say.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
And this again is a situation where your memory does
not get better with time.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Right action m overruled.

Speaker 11 (30:13):
You may answer to that prekeat uh.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
I guess in this instance that will be correct?

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Now like to mark the text that we referred to
point munch as an exhibit. Guard do you walk for
that is an exhibit?

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Yes? Or ye? Is there an interaction so it's a
repredactions round.

Speaker 11 (30:41):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (30:42):
We have an agreement to you justice alright.

Speaker 8 (30:45):
If there's an agreement as to redaction, then it is
to receive subject to that.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
There gusten about the people.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Okay, sir, mister Bradley. You recall this text message that
we reviewed before we went to lunch.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Yes, I do, okay, And this was a text message
sent to your lawyer. Correct, okay.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
And in this text message you state the following. Now
you're sure once I withdraw this lawsuit that I won't
be held on perjury after I tell the court the
truth about me not recalling anything about who shot me.
My question to you, sir, is do you see the
date that it is sent? Yes, okay, and that's July fifth,

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two thousand and thirteen or twelve, twenty eight in the afternoon.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Correct, okay. Now you recall.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
I'm now showing Exhibit three zero one, which is your
deal with the Commonwealth.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Yes, I do, okay.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
I remember when we first began talking. I I went
over this line by line with you.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yes, okay? And do you remember the section word says.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
If the district Attorney learns that the information or testimony
that mister Bradley provides after the date of this letter
is not complete and truthful, then the district Attorney may
declare this agreement null and void. Should the district Attorney
to declare this agreement nulling void because the information or
testimony provided by mister Riley is not complete and truthful,

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the district Attorney may institute a prosecution of perjury.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
You see that's her.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
And you understand all of that, right, Yes, I do? Okay.
Now you gave.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Your You sent that text message July of twenty thirteen.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Do you recall that, correct?

Speaker 2 (33:27):
You signed this document well September tenth, twenty fourteen, correct, okay,
And in between September tenth, twenty and fourteen until now,
has the district attorney informed you that they have decided
to declare your agreement nulling void.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
No, they haven't.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Okay, did you get any bad news at lunch? No?

Speaker 4 (33:53):
I did not.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Aside from the Bologney sandwich, nothing negative happened. Jess straining
if we're cann ad just no mobisation.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
I have no fuck question.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Chill Hagen, good after know, mister Bradley, you'd have to know.

Speaker 12 (34:31):
Just wanna uh clarify uh some of the questions that
were asked on cross examination. Let's start with what, mister
bi is just uh left off with the text message
between you and your lawyer sent on July fifth, two
thousand thirteen. I'm just gonna place a portion of that
on the screen. I believe it's now Exhibit three eleven
subjects of reaction. In addition to that text, mister Bradley's

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there also a text above that relative to.

Speaker 5 (34:57):
A grand jury proceeding.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
Okay, could you.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
Just read that text? And last, but not least, my
licens are suspended. I need an eye procedure, and me
being scared from my life isn't enough for me to
get out of testifying to the grand.

Speaker 12 (35:10):
Jury directly at the time that you sent that text.
By fifth, twenty thirteen. Were you summons to a peer.
Did you have noticed that you were due to a
peer in a county grand jury.

Speaker 5 (35:21):
Other than Suffolk County.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
Yes?

Speaker 12 (35:23):
And was it your understanding that you were going to
be asked questions related to the shooting of you on
February thirteen, twenty thirteen.

Speaker 5 (35:30):
In that grand jury?

Speaker 4 (35:32):
Yes?

Speaker 12 (35:32):
And when you sent the text message regarding your question
to your lawyer about whether withdrawal of the lawsuit would
somehow cause you to be held on perjured, what did
you mean by that?

Speaker 4 (35:43):
Prior to that grand jury summons, I had fouled a
loss of a civil matter against mister Hernandez. As I previously
stated to the court, my whole objection was to try
to figure out how to move forward with civil litigations
but not get him charged criminally. So, being that I
had a sworn document already, you know, a civil one

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that he shot me, I was trying to figure out
how I could go to the grand jury and not
have to tell him that he shot me because I
didn't want him charge criminally. I wanted to assume him
and deal with it in a different way.

Speaker 12 (36:17):
But understanding that having in charge criminally would in some
way affect your settlement on a lawsuit.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
Yes, And in addition to that objection.

Speaker 8 (36:26):
Josh, all right, ladies and gentlemen, you may consider that
only in so far as it relates to mister Bradley's
state of mind, that is, what he was thinking or
concerned about. References to any lawsuit or a settlement of

(36:47):
a lawsuit are not relevant in any way to.

Speaker 11 (36:51):
The issues in this case.

Speaker 8 (36:53):
And you're not to draw any conclusions or inferences from
the fact that there was a reference to some resolution
of that lawsuit, nor are you to speculate at all
as to what that resolution might have been. It is
not relevant to this case, and it is not evidence

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from which you may draw any inferences in this case.

Speaker 12 (37:20):
It's just put a question just regarding your state of mind,
mister Bradley, j asked and answer infinition.

Speaker 11 (37:26):
Answer, what's here the question.

Speaker 12 (37:28):
Just regarding your state of mind, mister Bradley, other than
not wanting him to be charged criminally, did you have
any other concerns regarding testifying honestly in a grand juriot
JACKSA does been as an answer.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
Over my issue was I would, in essence perjure myself
if I followed a civil settlement or matter saying that
mister Hernandez shot me and then went to the grand
jury and told him I don't know who shot me,
which is what I was torn between, cause I didn't
want him charged criminally, but I wanted my civil matter result.

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So that would have constituted perjury if I said one
thing and if one sworn document and said something in another.

Speaker 12 (38:18):
And did you at some point even contemplate or intend
to lie in the Bristol count your grand jury and
say he did that.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Was shot you.

Speaker 11 (38:26):
Sustain churing will disregard that question.

Speaker 12 (38:33):
And just to clarify, mister Bradley on Exhibit three eleven
within correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm reading this correctly.
The text about your concern about perjury.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
Giving two inconsistent statements as you've described, was that sent
on seventy five, two thirteen at twelve thirty eight, I
am yes it was.

Speaker 12 (38:56):
And your question about trying to get out of testifying
the grand jury, how much longer was that?

Speaker 5 (39:01):
How much later after that was that.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Scent It appears to say twelve forty two minutes?

Speaker 12 (39:14):
And mister Bradley asked a number of questions about the
phone and your consent to search the phone? Correct, You
recall those questions correct, and in fact mister Bias showed
you I'm not sure if this has been entered yet,
your honor, but if not, I would ask at the
consent one of the answer as the next number.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
You too, We do that for him? Then answered prettyous.

Speaker 11 (39:34):
We top. We don't receive that as legitiate.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
We have an dis.

Speaker 11 (39:40):
David receiving.

Speaker 8 (39:53):
If you recall it to NARS Paramedy it was shown
but not received as an exibit, we will receive that.

Speaker 13 (40:03):
Think at three twelve.

Speaker 12 (40:17):
It was di rectly just to clarify UH timeframe placing
on the screen with spinancial az you give it number
three twelve. That's the UH consent to search that was
shown in reference by mister Bias during cross examination.

Speaker 5 (40:31):
Right, correct?

Speaker 12 (40:32):
And that the date that this is signed is in
September of two thousand and fourteen, is that right?

Speaker 5 (40:37):
That is correct? And in this document you agree.

Speaker 12 (40:43):
To relinquish full custod and control of the item and
its contents.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
Tell me if I'm reading this correctly.

Speaker 12 (40:48):
I also acknowledge that I'm involuntarily relinquishing all any expectation
or privacy and cellular or phone and it's contents. You
basically give the Boston Police the permission above to conduct
the full forensic search of the phone as well, exactly.

Speaker 5 (41:02):
Correct, that's correct, recover and.

Speaker 12 (41:03):
Download any and all digital data and files contained therein.

Speaker 5 (41:07):
That is correct.

Speaker 12 (41:08):
And mister Bradley, this are you aware of how this
phone was found and how it was that you came
to give that consent?

Speaker 5 (41:16):
How and when it was found.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
I can't remember the exact date, but I believe it was.
I know it was recovered by my daughter's mother.

Speaker 12 (41:26):
And seeing the date on the form of September tenth,
twenty fourteen, do you believe it was found.

Speaker 5 (41:31):
Around that date?

Speaker 4 (41:32):
Yes, it was close to that date.

Speaker 12 (41:34):
And once that phone was recovered. What was your state
of mind about the recovery of the phone?

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Gosh, that's well, it's a stream.

Speaker 12 (41:44):
Well did you make any have any communications with your
child's mother, Brooke Wilcox, regarding what you wanted done with
that phone? Seriously a stream, mister Bradley, What did you
want with the phone when you found it?

Speaker 4 (42:03):
Well, when the phone was found, I didn't have a
problem with her turning it over.

Speaker 5 (42:07):
Did you want her to turn over to the police.

Speaker 11 (42:09):
Sexy goes we went no. You may answer that yes,
swore no.

Speaker 12 (42:18):
Yes, And in fact, on jail calls at around that time,
do you recall whether or not you were excited or
not excited.

Speaker 5 (42:25):
When she told you she found the phone?

Speaker 8 (42:27):
Substein didn't both to strike Dury will disregard that question.

Speaker 12 (42:34):
Shortly after the police will strike that shortly after miss
Wilcox advised you that she found the phone.

Speaker 5 (42:41):
Did Boston Police homicide detectives come speak to you?

Speaker 4 (42:44):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (42:45):
And did they have you signed a consent form that's
been entered as Exhibit three twelve.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
Yes?

Speaker 12 (42:50):
Prior to sign that consent form, did the detectives threaten you,
coerce you, or do anything to.

Speaker 5 (42:56):
Cause you to execute that waiver?

Speaker 4 (42:59):
No?

Speaker 12 (42:59):
Did you voluntarily relinquish all rights to that cell phone
and allow the police to download every single piece.

Speaker 5 (43:05):
Of data on it?

Speaker 4 (43:07):
Yes? I did.

Speaker 12 (43:07):
Did you provide any restrictions of things you wouldn't let
them download?

Speaker 5 (43:11):
Didn't want them to download?

Speaker 4 (43:12):
None?

Speaker 12 (43:13):
What the weeb in the fact, mister Bradley, did you
also yes or Nossis the police in determining what the
past code was for that point?

Speaker 4 (43:21):
If you remember, I believe I tried to do it,
says yes.

Speaker 12 (43:28):
And when you did that, mister Bradley, did you know
that some communications between you and your attorney, mister Pickering
were included on the cell phone.

Speaker 5 (43:36):
Yes, I did.

Speaker 12 (43:38):
And just by way of timing, mister Bradley, because I
believe mister Bias asked your number of questions on cross
examination about timing. This was in September of twenty fourteen, correct, correct?
And when was it that you entered into your agreement
if you remember some time in twenty thirteen October eight,
twenty thirteen.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Does that sound eighteenth? I believe, yes, correct.

Speaker 12 (44:02):
And mister Bias asked your a number of questions about
the text messages where you you recall the text messages
questions that mister Bias asked you correct, correct, And I
believe you asked you questions about the text message which
is where you referred to certain weaponry, certain types of
guns and those things. You recall those questions, mister Bias
asked you, yes, And then mister Bias also asked you

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whether or not your deal was deemed void after the
Commonwealth received those text messages.

Speaker 5 (44:30):
You recall that, yes, I do, and in fact.

Speaker 12 (44:33):
It's it fair to state that those text messages were
not even uncovered until after September twenty fourteen, when you
turned over your phone.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
Voluntarily, That is correct.

Speaker 12 (44:42):
And did you turn over your phone voluntarily knowing that
you had the text messages between you and mister Hernandez, Yes?

Speaker 4 (44:49):
I did.

Speaker 12 (44:53):
Now, just a few questions, mister Bradley about your cooperation
agreement that was referenced repeatedly by mister Bias. I'm first
regarding the timing of it. I believe mister Bias asked
you questions about the profit on October eighth, twenty and thirteen.

Speaker 5 (45:09):
Do you recall those questions or do you recall being
asked about that?

Speaker 4 (45:12):
Yes?

Speaker 12 (45:13):
I do, and I believe you testified that that was
when you signed the agreement and then gave a tape
recorded statement.

Speaker 5 (45:19):
Is that correct?

Speaker 4 (45:21):
Yes? I gave you a tape recorded statement on the eighth.
Is that right? I believe that's correct.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
But on the eighth, after you gave your statement, did
you have a as mister Bias kept referring to it,
did you have a deal yet?

Speaker 4 (45:33):
No?

Speaker 5 (45:35):
Is it fair to state that you didn't have a deal?

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Object to the beating. I've let it go off.

Speaker 11 (45:38):
A little bit, but please fee complete the wings.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
When was it that you ultimately had the deal so
to speak on the eighteenth, ten days later? Correct?

Speaker 3 (45:50):
Now?

Speaker 12 (45:50):
Mister Bias asked the number of questions about the portion
of Exhibit number umber three to ZHO one, specifically paragraph
number two, talking about the satisfaction of the district Attorney
that mister Bradley was not the individual who fired the weapon,

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and that upon satisfaction the district Attorney, that the common
Wealth agreed to apply for judicial immunity prior to you
testifying before.

Speaker 5 (46:20):
The grand jury.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Is that correct?

Speaker 5 (46:22):
That's correct?

Speaker 12 (46:23):
Now as far as the satisfaction of the district attorney,
mister Bradley, is it fair to state or what is
your knowledgeist to when the district Attorney was satisfied allowing
you to testify.

Speaker 5 (46:34):
Before the grand jury be given immunity?

Speaker 4 (46:36):
What date on to eighteenth?

Speaker 5 (46:38):
So ten days.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
Later, ten days after I came in profit and.

Speaker 12 (46:42):
Just to clarify on judicial immunity, mister Bradley, mister Bias
asked a number of questions suggesting to you that at
any point if the Commonwealth or if the District Attorney
was dissatisfied with your answers or felt that you were
not truthful, that your immunity could be revoked.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
You call those questions.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
Repeat that.

Speaker 12 (47:00):
Please do recall mister Bias suggesting that your deal of
having judicial immunity could in some way be pulled back
by the district attorney if they felt that, if the
district attorney felt you were not being honest.

Speaker 5 (47:11):
And truthful, you recall those questions.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 12 (47:15):
Even if you took the witness stand and testified under
oath that somebody other than the defendant Aaron Hernandez shot
and killed Daniel der Brayer and Surferra for Tata, could
you be prosecuted for murder?

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Absolutely?

Speaker 5 (47:27):
You think you could it?

Speaker 4 (47:29):
Repeat it? If I took the standing prosecuted as someone
else other than mister Hernandez, yes, committed to murder.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
Well, let me ask you another question, mister brother. What
is your understanding of immunity? Is it once you're giving it,
you have it for the duration, or do you think
it's conditional.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
I'm my understanding is that you have it unless you lie.

Speaker 5 (47:49):
So unless you lie, then you could be prosecuted for
what for perjury? But that's it perjury?

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Correct?

Speaker 5 (47:56):
Correct?

Speaker 12 (47:59):
And as in your state of mind, and also again
his honors instructions, just calling your attention to mister Bias's questions,
I believe yesterday perhaps this morning, about the fact that
you admitted to getting the gun and whether or not
you were prosecuted for that, or whether or not the
Commonwealth pulled its agreement.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
You recall those questions, mister Bias, Yes, I do.

Speaker 12 (48:17):
But were you compelled to testify about that in the
grand jury pursuing to your immunity agreement?

Speaker 5 (48:23):
Did you testify about that?

Speaker 4 (48:25):
Yes, I did.

Speaker 14 (48:34):
So.

Speaker 5 (48:34):
Mister Bradley, what is.

Speaker 12 (48:35):
Your understanding as to you having to satisfy the prosecution
in order to get the benefit of immunity.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
It's my understanding that it's not my job to satisfy anyone.
It's my job to just state the facts.

Speaker 12 (48:51):
So we're gonna move on to some of the factual
questions that mister Bias had asked you. He most recently
asked you about the Forerunner and when the last time
was that saw it.

Speaker 5 (49:00):
What's your best.

Speaker 12 (49:01):
Memory as to in relation to the early morning hours
of July sixteen, twenty twelve, when the last time you
saw that Forerunner?

Speaker 4 (49:08):
Was My last memory of that forerunner was miss Singleton
taking a forerunner from the residence on forty seven Newberry Street,
And that was it.

Speaker 12 (49:18):
And just to clarify timing wise, was it after that
point that you had a conversation with the defendant that
you previously testified to regarding what he had asked Timmy
to do with the car?

Speaker 5 (49:29):
Was it after that?

Speaker 4 (49:32):
No, the car was removed prior to me having a
conversation with him about that.

Speaker 12 (49:36):
Right, So the car was removed and then you subsequently
had a conversation with her about her doing something to
the car.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
Correct?

Speaker 5 (49:42):
What was that that he asked her to do with
the car? I told you he asked her to do
with the car.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
He wanted her to clean it and then hide it.

Speaker 12 (49:49):
And then mister Bias asked you or he actually read
a portion of a transcript where you referenced.

Speaker 5 (49:55):
The stadium incident with the car.

Speaker 12 (49:56):
And just to clarify for the jurors, what incident was
that and what's your recollections to when that conversation took place.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
I don't remember exactly, but I recalled mister Hernandez saying
that someone came to get the car that I believe
it was the car dealer, and that he told him
to leave, that he was upstairs. I guess they called
him and told him they were downstairs to get the truck,
and he told him to leave.

Speaker 12 (50:20):
And did he tell you why he did that? He
didn't want them to have the car? Did he think
they were somebody?

Speaker 4 (50:27):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (50:27):
He thought it was the police.

Speaker 5 (50:28):
So was this conversation that.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Sent us also speculation in the swing? All right?

Speaker 5 (50:35):
What did did he tell you? What he thought? Who
they thought they were? Who he thought they were?

Speaker 4 (50:39):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (50:40):
Who did he say that he thought they were? He
told me he thought it was police coming to get
the car.

Speaker 12 (50:44):
And this conversation was this after July sixteen, twenty twelve.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
I believe it may have been.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Yes.

Speaker 12 (51:01):
Now, you're asked a number of questions by mister Bias
where he showed you certain travel documents, and I believe
the heading on the top was lux Travel. You remember
those questions and seeing those documents? Yes, I do, and
I believe mister Bradley correct me if you're wrong. But
you did authenticate? Yes, that's your name on the travel documents. Correct, Yes,
I did.

Speaker 5 (51:19):
Did you make those travel arrangements? No? Were those tickets
you purchased?

Speaker 10 (51:23):
No?

Speaker 4 (51:23):
Mister Hernandez called me and told me to give him
my first name and my information so his flight lady
could book the flights for us and.

Speaker 5 (51:31):
His flight lady. Do you know what company they booked
flights through? No, I don't, but Lux Travel. Is that
a travel agency you've ever used personally?

Speaker 4 (51:39):
No, I've never heard of him till today.

Speaker 12 (51:44):
Now, you're asked a number of questions by mister Bias
about the phones that you had, your phone records, and
the fact that you had two phones. You recall those questions, Yes,
I do, and I believe in response to one of
mister Bias's questions, you said, I can tell you who
had my phone and what the circumstances were in and
around February thirteenth, twenty thirteen.

Speaker 5 (52:03):
Do you recall giving that answer, Yes, I do, explain
what you meant.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
The seven two sixth number that he was indicated, well,
a six zero seven two six number was in Connecticut
at the time I had it. I had left it
with a friend of mine so he could proceed with
my business while I was in.

Speaker 12 (52:18):
Florida, and the phone calls purportedly, at least from what
mister Bias showed you from the exhibit, I believe it
was perhaps two ninety four. The phone calls to mister
Henders's phone on February thirteenth, two thousand and thirteen.

Speaker 5 (52:34):
Do you know what the nature of those calls were?

Speaker 3 (52:36):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (52:37):
That was from my friend who had my phone in Connecticut.

Speaker 12 (52:41):
And those phone calls. Did those happen after you were shot?
Were around the time you were shot?

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (52:46):
I believe so.

Speaker 5 (52:47):
Did you make those phone calls?

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Absolutely? Not so.

Speaker 12 (52:50):
When mister Bias asked you repeatedly if you had two
phones in Florida, did you have two or did you
have one?

Speaker 4 (52:55):
It for it at no point that I have two
phones in.

Speaker 5 (52:57):
Florida to the eight six? So and what was the
other prefix?

Speaker 4 (53:04):
I believe it was? It had to be there nine?

Speaker 5 (53:07):
Oh you mean which one was the one up in Connecticut?

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Seven two s eighteen zero seven two six? I can't
remember the other four digits.

Speaker 5 (53:13):
The one I had seven two six was the one
in Connecticut?

Speaker 3 (53:16):
Correct?

Speaker 12 (53:17):
And I believe you were also asked some questions by
mister Bias regarding your phone itself and and whether or
not it was lost. But did do you know what
happened to your phone? In particular at Tootsi's no. Did
do you know for a fact that you left it behind?
Or do you do you know whether or not somebody
may have taken it?

Speaker 4 (53:33):
I know for a fact that I left it behind,
and I don't know after that point what happened.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
Did anybody ever return the phone to you?

Speaker 12 (53:40):
No, sir, Now, Miss mister Bradley or also asked some

(54:06):
questions by mister Biaz regarding your testimony. I believe it
was in your August or I'm sorry, October eighth, twenty
and thirteen statement regarding the car ride from mats Housts
to Connecticut, taking about two and a half.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
Hours of your call those questions, Yes, I do.

Speaker 12 (54:22):
I believe mister Bias ready a portion of your answer
where he read back to you that you thought, object.

Speaker 7 (54:30):
That's not so long?

Speaker 12 (54:31):
Put the question what is your recollection of what you
told detectives as far as how long the car ride took?

Speaker 4 (54:44):
I don't recall exactly how long I said to Carrid too.

Speaker 12 (54:48):
And did you ever described to detectives in October of
twenty thirteen whether or not you had gotten lost?

Speaker 4 (54:56):
Yes, I said that I believe we may have gotten
lost along the way.

Speaker 12 (55:00):
In addition, to getting lost, mister Bradley, did you also
indicate the detectives at her around the same time describing
how long it took as to whether or not you were.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Always to the leading rephrage?

Speaker 12 (55:14):
Did you all in addition to getting lost, did you
also describe whether or not you were planning to go
somewhere else other than Connecticut?

Speaker 3 (55:21):
It's amused to lead, not over ruled, go ahead, so
you can answer yes.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
I indicated at one point I believe we were gonna
go to Plainville originally, which was his old residence, based.

Speaker 12 (55:39):
Upon the initial intention to go to Plainville, mister Bradley,
did that change your root at all back to Connecticut?

Speaker 4 (55:45):
Yes, that would have rerouted us.

Speaker 5 (55:48):
Would you have.

Speaker 12 (55:48):
Gotten on different highways to go to Plainville for those who.

Speaker 5 (55:51):
May not know where Plainville is?

Speaker 12 (55:53):
Yes to Bidley were also asked a number of questions
on cross examination by mister Bias regarding whether you heard
six shots or five shots.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
Do you recall those series of questions?

Speaker 12 (56:11):
Yes, I do, and I believe you indicated on a
cross examination that when you testified before the grand jury,
you said how many shots?

Speaker 4 (56:19):
In the grand jury, I recall seeing five shots, and
I believe.

Speaker 12 (56:24):
Mister Bias called your attention to your initial statement on
October eighth, twenty and thirteen, where he read a portion
to you that said about six shots or something to
that effect.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
You recall that line, that's not what the transcript means.

Speaker 12 (56:41):
What question, what is your recollection as to what you
said on October eighth, Jackual Judge, I would ask that
you used the actual transcript instead of trying.

Speaker 8 (56:50):
Then the witness may answer that question.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
I can't. I don't know if it is exactly on
the eighth, but I know at one point I said
five or six shots?

Speaker 12 (57:04):
And what if any confusion was there for you as
to five or six shots?

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Coction Judge.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Over old question about with Satan, I would ask that
he used the actual transfers.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
Repeat the question, please, mister Hay the long pole with
your overruled.

Speaker 12 (57:22):
What if any confusion was there between five or six
shots initially for you?

Speaker 4 (57:26):
Sir Well, I would guess that I just know that
that that type of gun holds six shots.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
So did you hear any noises after the shots were fired?

Speaker 4 (57:37):
Yes, I heard clicking noises and.

Speaker 12 (57:40):
Just based upon if you know what noise does a
gun make when it's empty a revolver and you continue
to pull the trigger.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
It makes a clicking noise when the gun's empty, when
the chamber is empty.

Speaker 12 (57:51):
But ultimately, mister Bradley, you've already testified to this. You
testified in the Grand jury to hearing five shots?

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Correct?

Speaker 5 (57:57):
Correct?

Speaker 12 (57:57):
Did anybody prior to you testifying in the Grand jury,
whether it be police or prosecutors or anybody, suggest any
significance whatsoever to five shots versus six shots? Was there
any conversation at all regarding five shots versus six shots
from prosecutors or detectives prior to you going to grand jury?

Speaker 5 (58:18):
In your mind?

Speaker 12 (58:19):
Was there any significance whatsoever to five shots or six
shots before testifying the Grand jury?

Speaker 5 (58:26):
In your mind?

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Well?

Speaker 12 (58:30):
Well, I mean, let me rephrase the question. I think
I was a little confusing my answer. Did you think
that it was more important for the case to say
five shots rather than six shots?

Speaker 5 (58:40):
When you testified in the Grand jury? Population con.

Speaker 11 (58:47):
I'll show you what should I.

Speaker 12 (58:50):
Area in October twenty and thirteen to their being five
shots fired from the gun?

Speaker 5 (58:56):
In your mind? Was there any significance to their being
five rather than six shots?

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (59:04):
Your mind?

Speaker 3 (59:05):
No?

Speaker 5 (59:06):
And had anybody told you that there was any significance to.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
That answer, Sir stage, I think that's what's got.

Speaker 12 (59:14):
Ready, mister Bradley, I just want to clarify a couple points.

Speaker 15 (59:21):
Regarding your shooting in Florida.

Speaker 12 (59:38):
Actually, while that's being one for mister Bradley, let me
ask you some other questions.

Speaker 5 (59:44):
On cross examination.

Speaker 12 (59:45):
You were shown what's now been entered as Exhibit three
hundred and two Zach Crexler. That is correct, and you're
also asked questions about whether or not you observed mister
Grandez ever.

Speaker 5 (59:56):
Have this picture taken? You recall that, yes, I do,
and I believe your answer at one.

Speaker 12 (01:00:01):
Point to one of mister Bias's questions on cross examination
was I wasn't babysitting him?

Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
Did I write that down correctly?

Speaker 12 (01:00:08):
That's accurate, and calling your attention out of the very
beginning of the night when, as you described to mister
Bias and cross examination, you went to the left side
of the bar, he went to the right. Was there
a period of time that you lost sight of mister Hernandez.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Yes, there was some period of time just stayed, did
you mostly No, let's.

Speaker 12 (01:00:26):
Wrap it up, mister Bradley, was there ever a point
during the night when you first went into club where
you lost sight of mister Hernandez.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
Actually as.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
Well for a rule, Yes, when was that when we
first came down into the bar.

Speaker 5 (01:00:45):
Do you know about how long it was it you
lost sight of it?

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
I can't exact it. No, not exactly.

Speaker 12 (01:00:52):
And in fact, mister Bradley, at some point did I
show this photograph to you some time ago?

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
I believe you may have so stay maybe we approached
now there's no lead?

Speaker 11 (01:01:07):
Is therey tent curler?

Speaker 12 (01:01:08):
Yes, when you were showing this photograph, mister Bradley, did
you identify this as a photograph taken on July sixteen,
twenty twelve.

Speaker 11 (01:01:19):
See you what sidecar?

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Brader?

Speaker 12 (01:01:38):
You asked a number of questions on cross examination about
the Florida shooting.

Speaker 5 (01:01:42):
You recall being asked a number of questions.

Speaker 12 (01:01:44):
Yes, and I just have one the screen once pinches
as exhibit number three hundred and ten, showing the parking
lot area.

Speaker 5 (01:01:51):
Do you recognize this as the area where you were
after you were shot? You were pushed out of the
car in this area.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Yes.

Speaker 12 (01:01:58):
Can you just clarify for the lazy them to the jury,
your best memory of when you fell out of were
pushed out of the car, where you landed and where you.

Speaker 5 (01:02:06):
Went from there?

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
Well, I was pushed out of the car in the alley.
I was still further down.

Speaker 5 (01:02:12):
So you were further down in the alley.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
Yes, I believe I was. I remember that alley.

Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
So place he on a scream on spineca Exhibit three
hundred and seven. Does that alley look familiar?

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:02:27):
So you believe you were pushed out there, sir?

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
Yes, right over in this area to where I rolled,
right to the fence. So the fence is like our
kind of rule.

Speaker 12 (01:02:36):
Can you, using that's a touch screen in front of you,
mister Bradley, can you, using the touch screen show of
what your best recollection is of where you were pushed
out and where you rolled?

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
I believe, I mean, I know I was in this area,
but I just remember rolling making a roll to a fence,
like rolled over and used the fence to corl myself up.

Speaker 12 (01:02:59):
And when you rolled over to use the fence to
pull yourself up, placing Exhibit three oh nine on the screen,
is that the area where you rolled.

Speaker 5 (01:03:05):
Over to pull yourself up on the fence.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Yes.

Speaker 12 (01:03:11):
Now regarding the blood stained area that was shown to
you and photographs by mister Bias I have on the
screen three ten. You indicated you weren't sure necessarily if
it was your blood.

Speaker 5 (01:03:22):
But do you recall ever being in this area after
you were shot?

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
I know I was at when an ambulance. When I
when an ambulance pulled up, I was at the end of
like felt like a parking lot or a roadway, like
some type of alley. I just remembered it being stumbling
into where some pavement was and the ambulance picking me
up from there.

Speaker 12 (01:03:46):
And do you recall whether or not you did go
back and forth in the alleyway as mister Bias asked you.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
No, I don't recall it ever going like back and forth.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
And that.

Speaker 12 (01:04:02):
Now you're asking questions by mister Bias regarding the jail calls.
Recall those questions and the fact that you were on
recording indicating that you didn't know anything about the incident.

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
You recall those calls.

Speaker 12 (01:04:13):
Those questions, yes, And why was it that you stated
you didn't know anything about the incident on the calls
actually was covered in the rat Now you asked a
number of questions by mister Bias, about City Angels, and

(01:04:34):
I believe at one point, in response to mister Bias's question,
you said that you wanted to explain.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
What did you mean by the fact.

Speaker 12 (01:04:43):
That mister Hernandez had some type of issue with people
who were City of Angels.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
Clothing, the specific group of gentlemen who he felt he
was in conflict with or that were staring at him
war They all, the majority of him, had own City
Angels attire, just you know, the clothes they were wearing.

Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
To your knowledge, mister Bradley, is City of Angels City Angels?
Is that a clothing line and attire?

Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:05:06):
And that is that available to buy publicly by anybody?

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
And are you you're not?

Speaker 12 (01:05:12):
Are you suggesting that anyone who wears City Angels clothing
is associated with some group that had a problem with
mister Hernandez?

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Are you?

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
Are you suggesting that you know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
All people that wear City Angels don't have a problem
with mister Hernandez. The particular group in conflict a City Angels.

Speaker 12 (01:05:31):
Sir Bradley asked a number of questions on cross examination
about seeing the people you thought were at the Club
Cure at Club Capri across the street shortly after you
recall those questions. Yes, I do, and I believe in
one of responds to mister Bias's questions, you said, I
believe it was they looked similar to the group.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Do you recall saying that, recall seeing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
I want to cover some of the testimony that you
talked about yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
I shouldn't you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Agreed or act that when Tanya came to Brooks house,
you saw Aaron and Tanya engaging in a conversation.

Speaker 5 (01:06:13):
Correct, And she came in the house.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
I believe she may have stepped in the house, just
just into the house, correct, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
And you heard Aaron say some things to her.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
I didn't hear exactly what he was saying to her,
but I heard some conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
And you saw the conversation with your very own eyes, right.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
I started to walk off as they were talking, but
I saw the beginning of the interaction.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Do you recall We've gone over this a lot your
October eighth profer.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
You remember that October eight, twenty thirteen.

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
Are you asking me if I remember profiting on that day? Yes?
I do.

Speaker 5 (01:07:00):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
And do you remember during this prophet you swore to
tell the truth?

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
The whole truth. So, but you wanted to be truthful
to the police, right, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
In fact, this was after you signed your letter promising
the mister Hagen that you're going to tell the truth,
right I believe so, the whole truth, remember, complete and
accurate cover that, yes, okay, and nothing but the truth, yes, okay.

(01:07:33):
And do you remember on page seventy five, Council being
asked by the police did you see Tanya that day?
And then giving the answer no, I did not see her.

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
No, I don't recall given.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
That agent okay, man, I approached the witness.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Is that refresh your recollection? Sir?

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Those are your words, aren't they aren't they?

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Sir? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
The words that you just spoke moments ago to the
jury are different than these words, right, correct, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
Now I don't want any of that again.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
He talked yesterday about five shots, right correct.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
And you said to this jury yesterday that you told
the police on October eighth five or six shots.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
You were called making that statement.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
At a point I recalled Meganair's statement. I don't know
if it was in the eighth, but I recalled Megan
that statement.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Well, we're talking about specifically the eighth, because mister Hagen
covered the eighth versus when you went to the grand
jury on the eighteenth.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
You remember that, yes, I remember him covering that.

Speaker 5 (01:09:10):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Do you remember being asked by the police how many
shots do you think were fired? And you answered, oh,
that gun has six bullets, so we had to fire
every bullet in there. How many did you hear?

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Six? Probably six? About six?

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
You remember making those statements, yes, okay, And you remember
and in.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
There those statements, the word five is never.

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
Spoken, right, not in that particular statement.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
No, okay, So the word five is never spoken on
October eighth, right.

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
Not in that particular statement. If that's on October eight.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
I understand you qualifying your answer, But on October eighth,
I'm specifically asking you on October eighth, when you test
five yesterday with mister Hagen, that that that you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Had mentioned five shots, that in fact is not true.
Sir Jeff.

Speaker 8 (01:10:08):
No, you may answer and explain your answer.

Speaker 4 (01:10:13):
I'm gonna explain again. If that's what it says on
the eighth there, that I said six shots, then that's accurate.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
If that's on the eighth.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Okay, now it finally sir, you mentioned yesterday actually one
you testified two days ago with mister Hagen about your

(01:10:43):
your activities inside the Cure lounge. You never said at all,
at any time that you lost sight of Aaron Hernandez.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
I don't recall saying that I did or didn't. I
just recalled saying we went to separate ends of the bar.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
And you said that he was close enough to where
I could see it.

Speaker 16 (01:11:08):
Yes, okay, you never mentioned anything about a fan, right, No, sir,
Now yesterday, when mister Hagen questioned you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
About this photograph with a fan, he says he showed
you that photograph some time ago.

Speaker 11 (01:11:26):
Can recall that question?

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
I believe I do recall him asking me that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Okay, when he's when you when, uh he asked you
some time ago?

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
How long ago did he show you that for him?
I don't remember exactly. Is it a year ago? No,
I don't believe it was a year ago.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
I mean I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Exactly months ago.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
Again, for the second time, I don't remember exactly how
long ago.

Speaker 17 (01:11:50):
Okay, did mister Hagen advise you when he showed you
that picture that we just found that photo that dasygo
and turned it over to the prosecutors, sustained in that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Form, you saw this photo days ago, did you not?

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
I may have?

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Now do you remember I said, I may have?

Speaker 16 (01:12:13):
Okay, you may have, yes, But a moment ago you
could recall how long ago.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
It was, right, Which is the same answer. I don't
recall how long ago it was. I may have saw it,
but I don't know how long ago it was.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
You do know the difference of being able to recall
something days ago versus some time ago like months right.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
You may answer the question some time ago to me
is just some time ago. I mean, I didn't say
a year or however, at some point.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
I know those weren't your words, there were his words.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
I know that well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
My question to you is, you know the difference between
days ago and some time ago like months ago?

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
Are you distinguishing the difference between days and some time ago?

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
Yes, I'm asking you that, and you distinguish that in
your mind.

Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
I mean, it may not be a huge difference to
me and some time ago in days ago, some time
ago could be.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
But you don't three hours, I'm sorry, some.

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
Time ago could be three hours. Some time ago could
be two weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
But you don't have any recollection that's seeing that photo
days ago.

Speaker 14 (01:13:19):
Jess answer, Uh, well, sir, if you can to your
betched memory, can you recall when it was that you
were shown that photograph?

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
Not exactly, sir, but I do recall being shown the photo, because.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
As you testified, your memory gets better with time. Right.

Speaker 18 (01:13:39):
You just sustained, now, sir, Finally, I want to ask
you a couple of questions, a couple more questions about

(01:13:59):
this text.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Right here?

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
You say, after I tell the truth the court the truth?
Can you read that final part.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
After I tell the court the truth about me not
recalling anything about who shot me?

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
What are you saying to your lawyer in this text
about what you're going to tell the truth about.

Speaker 4 (01:14:29):
I can only explain the full contact for you to understand.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
Oh, I'm asking a specific question in this text, What
are you telling your lawyer in an attorney client for
this conversation, what you're going to tell the truth.

Speaker 11 (01:14:41):
About stained in that form?

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
What are you telling your lawyer that you're going to
tell the truth about In this text message.

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
I'm telling my lawyer that I would be going appearing
at a grand jury.

Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
Me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
You don't say anything about that. I want you to
specifically tell me what you're referring to the truth about
in that sex message.

Speaker 11 (01:15:13):
I'll see you at shay by.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
Sir.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
In the seventeen years that you've been a drug dealer,
how many forensic courses have you taken?

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
Objection?

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Stead over the last seventeen years, how many forensic courses
have we taken?

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
Objection?

Speaker 8 (01:15:38):
If I have a basis for this question, well, it's
beyond the scope of redirect, but I will allow.

Speaker 5 (01:15:43):
It thanks the seventeen years.

Speaker 8 (01:15:45):
Well, you don't think the evidence is that the defendant
was drug deal the witness was drug dealer. Seventeen years,
it's fourteen years guiltil.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
Right, two thousands. That's going to meet tested by two.

Speaker 8 (01:15:56):
Thousands till twenty fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Okay, in the last fourteen years, but you were dealing drugs.
How many forensic courses did you take?

Speaker 4 (01:16:09):
I meant never taken, ay for rigid course.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Have you taken any courses in digital forensics?

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
Are you familiar with the cell bright software?

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
No, I'm not So you're.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Not familiar with Cellbright one point five I don't believe so. Okay,
you're not familiar with any extraction tools that law enforcement
would use correct.

Speaker 5 (01:16:31):
That is correct.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Okay, I'm showing you exhibit.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
BBBB.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
This is the extraction report of your phone.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
Do you recall yesterday.

Speaker 5 (01:17:01):
A pop jize.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Do you recall yesterday testifying about how you voluntarily gave
your phone up right?

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
Yes, and you signed a waiver. Yes, you were so
forthcoming in that regard.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Okay, refreeze you were forthcoming in that regard, right, yes, Okay.
Now in this abstraction report, it it basically how it
breaks down your text messages. And do you see right
here where it says d.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
E L Yes, I do, okay, And.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Here on this calm are the deleted messages that you
had on your phone.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Do you see?

Speaker 11 (01:17:52):
I'll see you would shy fire.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Dish after you, after you, which.

Speaker 5 (01:17:58):
Was in July.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Fifth, twenty thirteen, prior to giving it to the police.
You actually deleted that confidential message to your lord, did
you not, sir.

Speaker 11 (01:18:13):
O O.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
I don't recall deleting that message.

Speaker 5 (01:18:18):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
Do you recall the leading all these messages here, jack old?

Speaker 4 (01:18:28):
I don't recall the leading any message yet, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Specifically, now, again, you've testified numerous signs you're in the
drug trade, right, yes, and.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
Part of the drug trade is not leaving evidence.

Speaker 18 (01:18:41):
Behind Olf hurled right, depending.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
And fair to say, in all the years you've been
dealing drugs, you have to spend a great deal of
time in jail, have.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
You, sir?

Speaker 11 (01:19:00):
Over world?

Speaker 5 (01:19:01):
That is correct?

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
Okay? Because you're smart?

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
Are you asking me if? Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
You're smart? Right?

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
I like to believe so.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Okay, And you know how to break the law.

Speaker 11 (01:19:13):
Jaction is sustained.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
You know how to deal drugs without packing the cart.

Speaker 5 (01:19:18):
As the answer answer that are you asking me that?

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
Yes? I am uh. I think that's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
And that's why you use burner phones. That's why you
got two phones, right, correct, one for the plug and
one for the load.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
What is that you don't know what the load is?

Speaker 4 (01:19:38):
I'm trying to find out from you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Okay, well lot, if you don't know, that's all right.
I'm the one that asks the questions here, So here
we go. Sir, you delete your phones and throw them out?

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
Right, objection is delete? I take it, it's de leak.
Let me rephrase.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Let me rephrase that you after thirty days toss the phones?

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:19:58):
You ask my burner phones, not my eye which.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
Is and you have two phones at any given time.

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
Yes, this is the iPhone, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
And when you burn these phones, after you're done with
the burner phones, you don't renew and add minutes right now?

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
Usually I have in the Passion show.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
But typically no, typically no, because what you're trying to
do is stay one step ahead of the law.

Speaker 5 (01:20:22):
That's correct, okay, And that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Would include deleting messages on your phone too.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
Right on my burner phone.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Yes, okay, Now do you recall deleting any of these messages?

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
I don't recall any of the messages I deleted. That's
a long time ago.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
Wait, I gotta ask you. I want to ask you
individually these How about these? You recall deleting any of these?

Speaker 5 (01:20:54):
If you just testified deleting any messages?

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
I didn't ask him about these, Judge.

Speaker 5 (01:21:03):
Most calls are messages.

Speaker 8 (01:21:06):
Why don't you establish what those are?

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Okay, mister b And.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
These are calls that did you delete any of these calls?

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
Too? How can I delete my calls? Like? What do
you mean my call alog? Is that what you asked? Yes,
your call log?

Speaker 4 (01:21:22):
I don't recall, I mean I may have.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
These are calls here From July nineteen twenty thirteen, excuse me,
May eighteenth, all the way to July nineteenth.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
You see if any of these that you might have deleted.

Speaker 4 (01:21:40):
For the fourth time, I don't recall what cause or
messages I may or may have not deleted.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
How about any of these? You want to take a
look at the dates to see if you're a call.

Speaker 11 (01:21:51):
Now older.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
I believe I've answered the same question many times, mister Byers,
I don't know what calls I have or have not delete.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
How about that? Do you recall that?

Speaker 4 (01:22:06):
Again? The same response?

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
Okay, how about those you delete?

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
Those?

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
Same answer?

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
About those?

Speaker 13 (01:22:18):
Delete those? Same answer? Those I don't know, mister Bias. Okay,
how about those.

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
I don't believe I know? For any of these calls listed,
mister Bias.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
Okay, So out of any of these calls and text messages,
you don't recall whether you deleted them or not, especially.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
That one.

Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
Not especially I don't call them leading any of them.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
And the call again was to your lawyer, right.

Speaker 4 (01:22:57):
I believe that looks like a text?

Speaker 5 (01:22:58):
Is that a text called a text message?

Speaker 4 (01:23:00):
Okay? The text?

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Yes, I'm no further questions

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